Biden Looks Literally Old As Death Now

Before that: Americans say Biden is the worst president of the past 50 years, sinking lower than Carter.

[The Daily Mail:] Yet when 1006 registered voters were asked to rank the last nine presidents in order, from best to worst, Biden came at the very bottom of the table, making him the worst in 47 years.
Some 44 percent placed him as one of the worst two, while only 14 percent placed him in the top two, giving him a net score of 30 points underwater.
That was worse than Nixon, who came out with negative 25, and Donald Trump, with negative 15.
James Johnson, cofounder of J.L. Partners, which conducted the poll, described the results as "diabolical" for Biden.
"There's always a recency bias, and as Joe Biden is the incumbent, he starts off at a disadvantage there," Johnson said. "But regardless of that, these numbers are worse than I expected."
He continued, "Voters have obviously looked at his age, general conduct in office, his botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, the situation at the southern border, and decided that, in their view, it qualifies him to be the worst president in modern history."

I can't wait until the public re-evaluates the disastrous, poisonous Back Obama presidency. Biden was, after all, just Obama's third term. There's nothing Biden did that Obama didn't want him to do.

Biden took off a hat yesterday and it played havoc with his hair plugs.

@Jarvis_Best started digitally aging him but that's just coals to Newcastle.

Video of Mark Halperin pointing out that Biden's mental decline was obvious and known by everyone in the media -- and covered up the media. He calls it one of the "greatest scandals of any sort in American history, and certainly one of the greatest media scandals."

Pardon the audio watermark, I can't find a copy without it.

But here's the text:

HALPERIN: "I saw Joe Biden's mental acuity decline in 2017. I talked about it on a regular basis. It's some combination of Trump derangement syndrome and not wanting to be ostracized for doing anything that might help Donald Trump win.
"The irony is the reason Joe Biden has left the position he's in, the reason Donald Trump was reelected, there are plenty of reasons. A big one is a silence in the media. I think it's one of the biggest scandals of any sort in American history and certainly one of the biggest media scandals.
"People say they didn't see behind the all you needed was others c-span subscription to know there was a level of mental decline and they stood silent. The donors were spending time with him in living rooms. They saw it, Clooney said it but far too late."

BREAKING: @MarkHalperin says Democrat donors and officials are furious with @JoeBiden, but they stood silent throughout all of Biden’s bad behavior - as he refused to leave the race and when he coronated @KamalaHarris. Halperin says donors blame him more than themselves and… pic.twitter.com/kZp3WZYPUP
— Jesse Watters (@JesseBWatters) December 6, 2024

Speaking of: Adam Kinzinger has been shame-eating like a champion as he puts on more and more Depression Weight.

He's gone from a twink to a twunk to a twank.

Update 1: pic.twitter.com/VU3261iA5w
— Mostly Peaceful Memes (@MostlyPeacefull) December 4, 2024

More at the thread.

Community note:

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Semen contains a small amount of carbohydrates, including 0.4 orcinol-reactive carbohydrate material per 100 milliliters. When hydrolyzed with acid, this material yields galactose, mannose, and fucose, but only a trace of glucose.

Semen also contains small amounts of other nutrients, but it's not a good nutritional source because the amount of nutrients in each ejaculation is low. Swallowing semen can also put you at risk of sexually transmitted infections.

Finally: Latrine John-Pissoir was asked about Biden's intention to issue blanket pardons to his cronies, government weaponizers, and "business" partners.

So she's admitting that yes, he's going to pardon all of his corrupt cronies like Fauci, Schiff, his "business" partners in Hunter's criminal buckraking ventures, etc.

She also refuses to apologize for lying for years.

Karine Jean-Pierre refuses to apologize for repeatedly insisting Biden wouldn't pardon Hunter.

She also claims a YouGov poll shows "64% of the American people agree with the pardon" — except that poll actually shows just 34% of Americans agree. pic.twitter.com/quqdx6BY9v
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) December 6, 2024

The next time the President says he will or won't do something, why should the American people believe him?

KJP: I answered that question and I have nothing to add. pic.twitter.com/eLs7nphKBx
— Media Research Center (@theMRC) December 6, 2024

Posted by: Ace at 04:00 PM

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Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 06, 2024 04:01 PM (CWTWj)

2 Holy shit. The Grim Reaper has cxompetition.

Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:01 PM (pMi6S)

3 That 2nd Picture of Joe:

1.21 Jigawatts!

Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2024 04:02 PM (vGiQ3)

4 Crap, stopped to read the content.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 06, 2024 04:02 PM (Rcnd3)

5 i noodled

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 06, 2024 04:02 PM (CWTWj)

6 Biden looks like the cover of an '80s death-metal album.

Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:02 PM (pMi6S)

7 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (Zz0t1)

8 CRAZY GRANDPA!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (Zz0t1)

9 Americans say Biden is the worst president of the past 50 years, sinking lower than Carter.

Andrew Johnson is hearing footsteps.

Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (pMi6S)

10 Biden looks like Ebenezer Scrooge

Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (IyPmt)

11 BREAKING: @MarkHalperin says Democrat donors and officials are furious with @JoeBiden, but they stood silent throughout all of Biden�s bad behavior - as he refused to leave the race and when he coronated @KamalaHarris. Halperin says donors blame him more than themselves and� pic.twitter.com/kZp3WZYPUP

— Jesse Watters (@JesseBWatters) December 6, 2024

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THERE WAS A PRIMARY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE A SECOND TERM AND COALESCED SUPPORT AROUND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE.

Am I the only one who realizes this?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

12 I've seen Burgess Meredith look better.

ROCKY!!!!

Posted by: Roy at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (z+ik4)

13 THIS BIDEN IS THE BEST BIDEN GODDDAMMMNIIITTTT!!!!!!!

Posted by: Joe Scarborough at December 06, 2024 04:04 PM (Zz0t1)

14 Semen also contains small amounts of other nutrients, but it's not a good nutritional source because the amount of nutrients in each ejaculation is low. Swallowing semen can also put you at risk of sexually transmitted infections.

LIES!!!! This stuff is a literal panacea for everything ails me, err, you.

Posted by: Husbands everywhere at December 06, 2024 04:04 PM (oZhjI)

15 is it really lying when you're senile and most people know it?

yeah, probably

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 06, 2024 04:04 PM (CWTWj)

16 Biden looks just like Gollum.

Ice cream, we wants it, our precious!

Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2024 04:04 PM (wcIbG)

17 The focus needn't be on the senile old coot. It should be on the legacy media that lied about it for over a decade. They were the true losers on election day.

They will never rise again.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 04:05 PM (lTGtQ)

18 So they are trotting out the real Biden now?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2024 04:05 PM (RsS92)

19 Update 1: pic.twitter.com/VU3261iA5w

— Mostly Peaceful Memes (@MostlyPeacefull) December 4, 2024

Overactive thyroids can be a bitch, I'm told.

Posted by: Joe Scarborough at December 06, 2024 04:05 PM (Zz0t1)

20
THERE WAS A PRIMARY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE A SECOND TERM AND COALESCED SUPPORT AROUND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE.

Voting in a free and fair election for a candidate outside of the one the media tells you to support? Sounds like Russian collusion to us!

Posted by: The Supreme Court of Romania at December 06, 2024 04:05 PM (oZhjI)

21 "Hunter pardon cost Biden his legacy." What legacy?. He was a terrible President. Everyone who isn't part of Pravda media American style or only looks at Pravda Media American style knows that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 06, 2024 04:05 PM (MQJVv)

22 F*ck......

I might as well go attempt to put up Christmas lights.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 06, 2024 04:05 PM (Zz0t1)

23 This is fine.

~your media betters

Posted by: Heavy Meta at December 06, 2024 04:06 PM (GTqXr)

24 >>The focus needn't be on the senile old coot. It should be on the legacy media that lied about it for over a decade.

See also;

The Democrat Party

The Deep State

Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2024 04:06 PM (vGiQ3)

25 Semen also contains small amounts of other nutrients, but it's not a good nutritional source
_____

What about horse semen though?

Posted by: Tim Walz at December 06, 2024 04:06 PM (fs1hN)

26 I've got news for you, Mark. We all saw Biden's mental decline well before the 2020 election as well. We knew you were lying. We knew the media was also lying about Biden getting 81 million votes.

That's why thousands of people went to DC on J6 were they were entrapped by the corrupt establishment. You know that too but you're still too cowardly to report it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 04:06 PM (LkLld)

27 Biden looks like Ebenezer Scrooge
Posted by: It's me donna
......

Perfect!

Posted by: wth at December 06, 2024 04:06 PM (v0R5T)

28 She also claims a YouGov poll shows "64% of the American people agree with the pardon" � except that poll actually shows just 34% of Americans agree. pic.twitter.com/quqdx6BY9v

Democrats lie. Even when they're not. It's all they know. They literally lie about everything, every time, without exception.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 06, 2024 04:07 PM (Zz0t1)

29 >12 I've seen Burgess Meredith look better.

ROCKY!!!!

Posted by: Roy at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (z+ik4)

Cut me Joe, err Mick!

Posted by: Rocky at December 06, 2024 04:07 PM (GTqXr)

30 I might as well go attempt to put up Christmas lights.
Posted by: Sponge

Wait until a thunderstorm passes through.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 06, 2024 04:07 PM (IG4Id)

31 So when does DOCTOR!! Jill start banging the pool boy? I'm thinking Jan 21st.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 06, 2024 04:07 PM (lXCUP)

32 Semen is a low calorie food?

Sounds like a good candidate for an abdominal tattoo.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 04:07 PM (lTGtQ)

33 poisonous Broke Back Obama

Posted by: zombie paddle board guy at December 06, 2024 04:07 PM (Y6IkP)

34 "My word as a Biden"

I agree with the distinction that he didn't lie - he went back on his word.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 06, 2024 04:07 PM (w6EFb)

35 A little match-up test -

Connect the picture on the left with the name on the right.
Pictures of -
Biden
Carter
4,000 yer old mummy

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 06, 2024 04:07 PM (/lPRQ)

36 Biden is just becoming himself, Scut Farcus.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (jFCkp)

37
Joe would be pitiable if he wasn't a stupid, nasty, corrupt fool.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (dxSpM)

38 17 The focus needn't be on the senile old coot. It should be on the legacy media that lied about it for over a decade. They were the true losers on election day.

They will never rise again.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 04:05 PM (lTGtQ)

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Their decline has been steady, only accelerated at particular points over the past 24 years, ever since they announced that W stole the 2000 election. (Heck, go back to the 80s and the rise of Rush Limbaugh.)

They coalesced for one final great gasp: the covid scam. The short term gains led to massive long term losses not just for trust in the media but a whole bunch of ally institutions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (GBKbO)

39 So she's admitting that yes, he's going to pardon all of his corrupt cronies like Fauci, Schiff, his "business" partners in Hunter's criminal buckraking ventures, etc.

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How can you pardon someone who hasn't even been charged with crimes yet? This is so completely insane to me. I can't believe he actually has the power to pardon people preemptively for crimes not yet charged. Why not allow your cabinet, and others in your party, r*pe and plunder everything and everyone in sight and just "pardon" them before you walk out the door? How can that be the least bit legal?

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (qBdHI)

40 Reverend Henry Kane

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (Dm8we)

41 But in June, Morning Joe said he had never seen a sharper and fitter Biden.

🤣

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (zxTkg)

42 OMG! Is DOCTOR Jill still okay?! Can she still sign pardons??!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (hovnC)

43 It isn't lying if you really want it to be true

Posted by: The left at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (oZhjI)

44 Former Vice-President Joe Biden is really showing what a pathetic old man he has become.

I still would like to know who has been running the White House for the past 5 or 6 months. Joe is only up for pudding and other treats.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (WsJuq)

45 Leading Report @LeadingReport 5h
BREAKING: National Police Association endorses Kash Patel for FBI Director.

Leading Report @LeadingReport 1h
BREAKING: Rep. Eli Crane to introduce a resolution to award Daniel Penny the Congressional Gold Medal to “recognize his heroism.”

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (hovnC)

46 39 How can you pardon someone who hasn't even been charged with crimes yet? This is so completely insane to me. I can't believe he actually has the power to pardon people preemptively for crimes not yet charged. Why not allow your cabinet, and others in your party, r*pe and plunder everything and everyone in sight and just "pardon" them before you walk out the door? How can that be the least bit legal?
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (qBdHI)

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Lots of examples of presidents doing it. Lots of precedent.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (GBKbO)

47 We need Ben Roethlisberger to explain the community note. That was the obvious response guy right? My brain hurts.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (RsS92)

48 31 So when does DOCTOR!! Jill start banging the pool boy? I'm thinking Jan 21st.
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Paolo better bring a broom and a shit ton of lube.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (jFCkp)

49 9 Americans say Biden is the worst president of the past 50 years, sinking lower than Carter.

Andrew Johnson is hearing footsteps.
Posted by: zombie

Little-known trivia: Joe Biden actually came in third behind Andrew Johnson in the 1868 Democratic primary.

Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (pMi6S)

50 Donna, you beat me to it. I thought he looked like a crabby assed Ebenezer Scrooge too.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (qBdHI)

51 HALPERIN: "I saw Joe Biden's mental acuity decline in 2017. I talked about it on a regular basis. It's some combination of Trump derangement syndrome and not wanting to be ostracized for doing anything that might help Donald Trump win."

My boss absolutely cannot be self-deprecating. If she does make a comment at her own expense, she immediately corrects herself so that you know she's not actually dumb or weird or crazy.

This is the left. They cannot allow for anything other than them being the hero of every story. Always right. Always assured.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (KbCG3)

52
The photos up top look like the before and after shots from-

Disney's " A Biden Christmas Carol".

As Tiny Hunter says "No Yellow Everyone!".

Posted by: naturalfake at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (iJfKG)

53 49 Little-known trivia: Joe Biden actually came in third behind Andrew Johnson in the 1868 Democratic primary.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (pMi6S)

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He would have won, but he was considered too old at the time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (GBKbO)

54 Zom-B'EHHHHH-YEHHHH-YEHHHHH-YEHHHHH

Posted by: XTC at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (UnA8+)

55 THERE WAS A PRIMARY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE A SECOND TERM AND COALESCED SUPPORT AROUND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE.

Am I the only one who realizes this?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

You're overestimating the Donor Class' intelligence, before the Biden debate most of them either believed the media that Biden was mentally young or that someone competent was running things for him behind the scenes.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (wIFUm)

56 Biden looks like someone from a movie

The ghost of Christmas past ?

Ebeneezer Scrooge ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (NtVYv)

57 Of course Biden is going to sign a mass pardon - neither he nor the others in his administration give a shit about the future of the Dem Party now, and they're going to burn it all down just at a chance of saving themselves in the short term.

I really am starting to like this idea - putting those people in jail would be very emotionally satisfying, but not as good as killing the current Democrat party for a couple of decades, until something else rises up to replace it. Btw this is not unprecedented - on a small scale, this is what has happened in Texas over the last 30 years. Texas Dems haven't won a statewide election since 1998, and there future prospects looking even bleaker as the hispanic voters abandon them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:10 PM (wyMQY)

58 Lots of examples of presidents doing it. Lots of precedent.

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That's truly a new one on me, TJM. Seems really, really unethical.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 06, 2024 04:10 PM (qBdHI)

59 Since Joe is senile and the report By Hur said he wasn't capable to stand any kind of trial should the pardons be null and void ?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:10 PM (IyPmt)

60 The photos up top look like the before and after shots from-

Disney's " A Biden Christmas Carol".

As Tiny Hunter says "No Yellow Everyone!".
Posted by: naturalfake at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (iJfKG)

Aha, that's prob what I was thinking of

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:10 PM (NtVYv)

61 Semen contains "fucose?" Sounds legit.

Posted by: fly gal at December 06, 2024 04:10 PM (ZSzfQ)

62 I read a blurb about Bidens 'legacy' hahaha are you fucking serious?
Bidens Prrsidential library will be a bookmobile.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (ast4B)

63 56 Biden looks like someone from a movie

The ghost of Christmas past ?

Ebeneezer Scrooge ?
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Scut Farcus.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (jFCkp)

64 BREAKING

Jill Biden charged with necrophilia.

Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (pMi6S)

65 Never stand with your combover facing upwind.

Posted by: wth at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (v0R5T)

66 THERE WAS A PRIMARY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE A SECOND TERM AND COALESCED SUPPORT AROUND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE.

Am I the only one who realizes this?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

They were happier to throw RFK Jr. and his rabid supporters to the other side.

Democracy was at stake, you know.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (KbCG3)

67 I still would like to know who has been running the White House for the past 5 or 6 months. Joe is only up for pudding and other treats.

Yeah by this point they probably have worked out some kind of committee with snaps instead of clapping so it doesn't trigger anyone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (RsS92)

68 55 You're overestimating the Donor Class' intelligence, before the Biden debate most of them either believed the media that Biden was mentally young or that someone competent was running things for him behind the scenes.
Posted by: Surfperch at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (wIFUm)

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There had been efforts to get Biden to drop out starting in 2023. Pretty early in 2023.

There were op-eds in WaPo about how he needed to drop out.

Everyone knew he was a weak candidate. Everyone knew he was declining. The powerful definitely knew. They chose to not rock the boat instead. And then they blame Biden for convincing them to not rock the boat before they completely overturned the boat in July of 2024.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (GBKbO)

69 55 THERE WAS A PRIMARY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE A SECOND TERM AND COALESCED SUPPORT AROUND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE.

Am I the only one who realizes this?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

The great irony is that they could have coalesced around RFK Jr, and I think he would have had a decent chance of winning as a reform candidate. But his stance on the Vaxx was like a cross to Dracula for the Democrat leadership.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (wyMQY)

70 The ghost of Christmas past ?

Ebeneezer Scrooge ?
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway

Kane from Poltergeist 2

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 06, 2024 04:11 PM (IG4Id)

71 How many times since Biden ran and got elected did you ever hear the MSM mention his brain surgeries. I can't remember a single time I heard or read it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:12 PM (tK3Zm)

72
Paul Krugman is retiring from the NYT.

well...bye
Posted by: Frank Barone

To whom is Kruggie leaving his trillion dollar coin?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 06, 2024 04:12 PM (xG4kz)

73 58 Lots of examples of presidents doing it. Lots of precedent.

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That's truly a new one on me, TJM. Seems really, really unethical.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 06, 2024 04:10 PM (qBdHI)

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The biggie:

Nixon was never charged with anything. Ford pardoned him for any and every potential federal crime across his entire presidency.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:12 PM (GBKbO)

74 THERE WAS A PRIMARY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE A SECOND TERM AND COALESCED SUPPORT AROUND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE.

Am I the only one who realizes this?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

They couldn't do that, they were protecting democracy.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 04:12 PM (lTGtQ)

75 Bidens Presidential bookmobile will have tranny story hour.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at December 06, 2024 04:12 PM (ast4B)

76 Aw, I sympathize with KJP...her job was to stand up there and defend the indefensible. About the analysis of semen....its Friday, everything in the in-box must go!!!

Posted by: SS at December 06, 2024 04:12 PM (xlrNs)

77 >>Of course Biden is going to sign a mass pardon - neither he nor the others in his administration give a shit about the future of the Dem Party now, and they're going to burn it all down just at a chance of saving themselves in the short term.

I'm not confident it would burn down only the Democrat Party. If we no longer have a rule of law for some then I can easily see that growing into no rule of law for anyone.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (LkLld)

78 >66 THERE WAS A PRIMARY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE A SECOND TERM AND COALESCED SUPPORT AROUND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE.

We had to depose Joe and insert Kamala to save democracy!!!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (GTqXr)

79 Biden still would have done better than Harris.

I think the powers to be wanted to get rid of her and this was the plan.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (tK3Zm)

80 Raggidy Tan's lying knows no bounds. She is shameless.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (qBdHI)

81 I don't agree with many of the things RFK Jr says, but he earned a heck of a lot of street cred from me when he was willing to stand up against Fauci, when no one else would. And when everyone screamed that he was cray-cray for doing so.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (wyMQY)

82 42 OMG! Is DOCTOR Jill still okay?! Can she still sign pardons??!

I was wondering why Jill wasn't there last night. Turns out she and daughter Ashley flew to Doha, Qatar to promote 'women's health initiatives.' Not a lie. And then the two women are going to Paris for the cathedral re-opening this weekend:

WASHINGTON -- WASHINGTON (AP) — Jill Biden departed Tuesday on her final solo foreign trip as first lady, a six-day, four-country jaunt through Italy, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar that wraps with her and President-elect Donald Trump joining other dignitaries in Paris to celebrate the reopening of Notre Dame Cathedral.

Posted by: beckster at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (NLtte)

83 Am I the only one who realizes this?

There hasn't been a genuine Democrat Primary since Kerry in 2004. Every other one has been utterly rigged. Why even bother?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (RsS92)

84 Ah, I see It's Me Donna beat me to the joke.

*kicks rock*

*forlornly wanders off into desert alone with bottle of Val-U-Rite*

Posted by: naturalfake at December 06, 2024 04:14 PM (iJfKG)

85 I wish Latrine good luck in her new position as the model for the bobblehead easy-scrub toilet bowl cleaner.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2024 04:14 PM (gGMRM)

86 Nixon was never charged with anything. Ford pardoned him for any and every potential federal crime across his entire presidency.

A) Which wasn't challenged

B) Was in reaction to a specific set of activities

Biden's "whatever" pardon should be specifically tested against Hunter's child sex trafficking. Make the courts throw out each case one by one for each girl he abused.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 04:14 PM (oZhjI)

87 Aw, I sympathize with KJP...her job was to stand up there and defend the indefensible. About the analysis of semen....its Friday, everything in the in-box must go!!!
Posted by: SS at December 06, 2024 04:12 PM (xlrNs)

She didn't have to be a condescending asshole when she was doing it though. That was her own added touch.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:15 PM (tK3Zm)

88 I think that one was the one the prosecutor had the most confidence in obtaining. I think she was expecting a 'not guilty' on the more-serious charge and a guilty on the lesser criminally negligent homicide.
Posted by: one hour sober
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If ever on a jury and there are an array of charges* I would have no choice but to go 'innocent' on all counts. Why? Because if the prosecutor doesn't even know what the defendant did how the fuck do they expect me to find him guilty of one, pick one, beyond a reasonable doubt?

* Seems like they always do this.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Agree. Prosecutors should not be allowed to bring "fall-back" charges against a defendant. They should be required to pick the most serious charge they think they can prove in court given the evidence and go with it. None of this giving the jury and "out" to convict on a lesser charge.

Unless there is something I'm not considering, which is entirely possible.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 06, 2024 04:15 PM (Y1sOo)

89 Everyone knew he was a weak candidate. Everyone knew he was declining. The powerful definitely knew. They chose to not rock the boat instead. And then they blame Biden for convincing them to not rock the boat before they completely overturned the boat in July of 2024.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

The ONLY reason they pushed him out was internal polling showing that him staying in would cost not only the presidency, but multiple house and senate races. They didn't care about a demented fool with the nuclear football, only about winning elections.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 04:15 PM (lTGtQ)

90 83 Am I the only one who realizes this?

There hasn't been a genuine Democrat Primary since Kerry in 2004. Every other one has been utterly rigged. Why even bother?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (RsS92)

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Incumbent presidential primaries are always rigged anyway. It's not a huge surprise that this one was too.

However...they don't always end with the party pushing out the incumbent 3 months out from the general election. If the powerful entities really wanted an alternate candidate, well, there were better ways to go about it than the backroom deal that they did go with.

It's not like people like Obama and Pelosi didn't know Biden's mental state beforehand.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:15 PM (GBKbO)

91 Women's health in a Muslim country : When her Jihadi husband only beats her five times instead of six.

Posted by: XTC at December 06, 2024 04:15 PM (UnA8+)

92 If he looked any more like death, Thanos would fall in love with him.

Posted by: tsj017 at December 06, 2024 04:15 PM (xakWh)

93 Everyone knew he was a weak candidate. Everyone knew he was declining. The powerful definitely knew. They chose to not rock the boat instead. And then they blame Biden for convincing them to not rock the boat before they completely overturned the boat in July of 2024.

I think they were counting on two things.

1) They controlled everything so well that it wouldn't matter
2) They were the majority, so it didn't matter because only a few lunatics and racists would vote for Trump anyway

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (RsS92)

94 Best Biden Ever! And F.U. if you don't believe it!

Posted by: Mourning Joe at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (63Dwl)

95 The biggie:

Nixon was never charged with anything. Ford pardoned him for any and every potential federal crime across his entire presidency.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:12 PM (GBKbO)

And Ford, as well as the rest of the Republican Party, was swept out of power during the Carter election in 1976. It took almost 20 years for them to regain power with Newt's Contract With America. I pray that Trump and his people are just as focused on making the Democrat label just as radioactive with the American people after the truth behind these pardons is revealed. Just because they're pardoned doesn't mean they can't be investigated, and sued in civil court for damages.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (6DPjj)

96 I still would like to know who has been running the White House for the past 5 or 6 months. Joe is only up for pudding and other treats.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 06, 2024 04:08 PM (WsJuq)

You mean the last four years. Ol'Joe was president in name only. He was slogging toward brain death on Inauguration Day.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (g8Ew8)

97 86 A) Which wasn't challenged

B) Was in reaction to a specific set of activities

Biden's "whatever" pardon should be specifically tested against Hunter's child sex trafficking. Make the courts throw out each case one by one for each girl he abused.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 04:14 PM (oZhjI)

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I feel like the legality or constitutionality of it is largely academic. I find it very hard to imagine SCOTUS deciding that pardoning powers are limited in any way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (GBKbO)

98 it's sometimes hard to believe someone is lying when you want to really believe what they're saying.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (CWTWj)

99 OT:
Former President Obama declared that if "one side" attempts to cement "a permanent grip on power" through "suppressing votes," "politicizing" the military or weaponizing the judiciary and criminal justice system to target opponents, "a line has been crossed."

You mean doing what the dems have done the last 15 or 16 years, and with greater intensity the last 8?

Posted by: jim (in hospital in Kalifornia) at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (SSBCb)

100 According to most sources, a typical ejaculation of semen contains between 5 and 25 calories, essentially making it very low in calories and having minimal nutritional value.
---
On his radio show. G. Gordon Liddy read a story about a doctor in Thailand who was arrested for medical malpractice. He was telling women that if they rubbed fresh semen into their breast, it would make them larger and more firm.

Liddy laughed as he read it and then paused before saying, "Well, as any man will tell you, this is absolutely true."

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (ZOv7s)

101 Biden was a weak candidate, but Jill tried to make sure that Trump wasn't running against him so it wouldn't matter.

Remember Slow Joe only got forced out when Jill's plot failed...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (oZhjI)

102 Oh so if a majority of people agree it’s OK to do? Say what percent of the public support reporting illegals again? How about the percent that wasn’t chicks with dicks banned from girls sports?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 06, 2024 04:17 PM (zxTkg)

103 They just unwrapped The Mummy!

Posted by: wth at December 06, 2024 04:17 PM (v0R5T)

104 If he looked any more like death, Thanos would fall in love with him.

Nice

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2024 04:17 PM (RsS92)

105 I object to the expression "coronated." You "crown" someone (verb), you hold a "coronation" (noun).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:17 PM (J2vNu)

106 95 And Ford, as well as the rest of the Republican Party, was swept out of power during the Carter election in 1976. It took almost 20 years for them to regain power with Newt's Contract With America. I pray that Trump and his people are just as focused on making the Democrat label just as radioactive with the American people after the truth behind these pardons is revealed. Just because they're pardoned doesn't mean they can't be investigated, and sued in civil court for damages.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (6DPjj)

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That probably has more to do with the media's pinnacle of power making Watergate the thing of the century more than Ford's pardon.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:17 PM (GBKbO)

107
There hasn't been a genuine Democrat Primary since Kerry in 2004. Every other one has been utterly rigged. Why even bother?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

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You think 2008 was rigged? I think Obama genuinely happened to Hillary.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at December 06, 2024 04:17 PM (T3es0)

108 What facilitated the community notes about semen?

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (DJ7uY)

109 Biden, Feinstein, Ginsburg, Thurmond, McConnell...

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (QTCRF)

110
You think 2008 was rigged? I think Obama genuinely happened to Hillary.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office

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Oh wait, never mind, I forgot what she did to Sanders.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (T3es0)

111 Biden is now the ghost of Christmas past. Three weeks early.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (MZ+PY)

112
"Sundowner, you better take care ...
If I find you've been creepin' 'round my leg hair"

Posted by: ShainS -- I heard that James Carville is a Scientologist as well as Pederast at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (EwEYp)

113 77 >>Of course Biden is going to sign a mass pardon - neither he nor the others in his administration give a shit about the future of the Dem Party now, and they're going to burn it all down just at a chance of saving themselves in the short term.

I'm not confident it would burn down only the Democrat Party. If we no longer have a rule of law for some then I can easily see that growing into no rule of law for anyone.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 04:13 PM (LkLld)

Biden doesn't have any good choices here. It's not going to matter to him, because he'll be dead soon and as long as his family stays out of jail I think he'll be fine with it. I'm betting there's a nonzero chance that he doesn't pardon anyone else, as long as their last name isn't Biden. The Dems left him out to dry, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't help them out. If he did, however, that would be the beginning of the Democrats' problems.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (6DPjj)

114 Miss Latrine looks and sounds tired.

As she should be. Lying takes effort.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:19 PM (J2vNu)

115 I feel like the legality or constitutionality of it is largely academic. I find it very hard to imagine SCOTUS deciding that pardoning powers are limited in any way.

I disagree, a core component of the pardon power is for the pardon to be for something. Yes a general area makes sense as opposed to every single potential federal crime, but pardoning someone for cheating on their taxes should not cover them from child sex trafficking at the same time unless you specifically say it does.

And more to the point even if every court says it does the GOP should make the media talk about exactly when Hunter was doing as opposed to letting the FNM hide it under the rug.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 04:19 PM (oZhjI)

116 They got away with keeping a non-functioning Feinstein in the chamber and almost got away with Biden.

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:19 PM (QTCRF)

117 109 Biden, Feinstein, Ginsburg, Thurmond, McConnell...
Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (QTCRF)

Ruth Buzzard Ginsberg

Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:19 PM (IyPmt)

118 113 Biden doesn't have any good choices here. It's not going to matter to him, because he'll be dead soon and as long as his family stays out of jail I think he'll be fine with it. I'm betting there's a nonzero chance that he doesn't pardon anyone else, as long as their last name isn't Biden. The Dems left him out to dry, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't help them out. If he did, however, that would be the beginning of the Democrats' problems.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (6DPjj)

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How many presidential signatures are autopens?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:19 PM (GBKbO)

119 Army enlisted soldiers at fort collins colorado complain in cost cutting move to get promotion they are being given meager unappetizing cheap food! Also united health has stopped asking for customer feed back!

Posted by: raimondo at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (E+DH3)

120 Biden, Feinstein, Ginsburg, Thurmond, McConnell...
Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (QTCRF)

Ruth Buzzard Ginsberg
Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:19 PM (IyPmt)

Ginsburg...above

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (QTCRF)

121 115 And more to the point even if every court says it does the GOP should make the media talk about exactly when Hunter was doing as opposed to letting the FNM hide it under the rug.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 04:19 PM (oZhjI)

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I agree with the political aspect of it.

The GOP SHOULD make hay of it, endlessly, pushing evidence out into the public of everyone who accepts a pardon.

But expecting SCOTUS to rock this boat seems...unwise.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (GBKbO)

122 >>Biden was a weak candidate, but Jill tried to make sure that Trump wasn't running against him so it wouldn't matter.

Wasn't just Jill. Let's not forget that had Trump not turned his head he would be dead right now. Or if one SS agent hadn't noticed a rifle barrel sticking out of the bushes?

To say nothing of 4 years of unsuccessful lawfare and a house raid by the FBI.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (LkLld)

123 That probably has more to do with the media's pinnacle of power making Watergate the thing of the century more than Ford's pardon.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:17 PM (GBKbO)

I think that's true. If this election proved anything, however, it's the power of the alternative media - especially X and podcasts. When this info gets disseminated on those outlets, it could have the same effect as Watergate.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (6DPjj)

124 Every republican should be yelling "If you get a pardon you are guilty."

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (17s+e)

125 Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (6DPjj)

Carter was a one termer. I don't think the Ford pardon was controversial and was expected. But I do agree the GOP needs to take advantage of the Hunter pardon and the anticipated future controversial pardons.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (tK3Zm)

126 I remember there was a story about some practical jokers offering "free mammograms" to women in Portugal. The catch was they were using new satellite technology and the women in question had to be topless outside or at least to put their parts out of their windows.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 04:21 PM (oZhjI)

127 It waz this >< close.

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:21 PM (QTCRF)

128 123 I think that's true. If this election proved anything, however, it's the power of the alternative media - especially X and podcasts. When this info gets disseminated on those outlets, it could have the same effect as Watergate.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (6DPjj)

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Oh, yeah, the media's been steadily losing power for decades. The only reversal was covid, but that short term gain is leading to massive long term losses in trust not just for the media but for pretty much every ally institution.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:21 PM (GBKbO)

129 On his radio show. G. Gordon Liddy read a story about a doctor in Thailand who was arrested for medical malpractice. He was telling women that if they rubbed fresh semen into their breast, it would make them larger and more firm.

Liddy laughed as he read it and then paused before saying, "Well, as any man will tell you, this is absolutely true."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024

***
If that were true, no pr0n actress would ever need a boob job again.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:21 PM (J2vNu)

130 Pedo Joe starring in "Back to the Basement."

With apologies to "Back to the Future."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 06, 2024 04:22 PM (4tmpE)

131 If that were true, no pr0n actress would ever need a boob job again.

It does explain some, uh, actresses, who have larger breasts then heads...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 04:22 PM (oZhjI)

132 everybody who is lining up to be pardoned by Biden was involved. don't even have to guess.

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:22 PM (QTCRF)

133 So the second picture is digitally aged?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 06, 2024 04:22 PM (MQJVv)

134 Kinda surprised the plugs are holding up so well in the wind.

Posted by: wth at December 06, 2024 04:22 PM (v0R5T)

135 Death comes to us all.

They'll keep him alive like as they didi RBG and, still, Jimmy.

But when he's gone, ohlala!

Btw, rumor around here is Al Sharpton is asking for pardon...for a family member.

I thought it might be: MEDIAite, 'Black Church Coalition Calls for Al Sharpton To Be Suspended From MSNBC Over ‘Moral Stain’ of Taking Money from Harris Campaign' by Zachary Leeman, Dec 5th, 2024

I bet the waiting line is out the door but Harris should be 1st, yes?

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow at December 06, 2024 04:22 PM (NFX2v)

136 Sharp as a tack, baby.

Posted by: Joe Scarborough at December 06, 2024 04:22 PM (+myjY)

137
It's unclear from SC decisions whether accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Ford always thought that the pardon was an imputation of Nixon's guilt.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:23 PM (dxSpM)

138 >>> So she's admitting that yes, he's going to pardon all of his corrupt cronies like Fauci, Schiff, his "business" partners in Hunter's criminal buckraking ventures, etc.

Fauci?
Even if pardoned I would let any foreign country do snatch and bag extraction on his ass if they promise try him for crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 06, 2024 04:23 PM (/lPRQ)

139 Posted by: raimondo at December 06, 2024 04:20 PM (E+DH3)

That's a non sequitur deluxe.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:23 PM (tK3Zm)

140 Biden Looks Literally Old As Death Now
—Ace
Yikes! That could be me😑!!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (FjReC)

141 BREAKING: @MarkHalperin says Democrat donors and officials are furious with @JoeBiden, but they stood silent throughout all of Biden�s bad behavior - as he refused to leave the race and when he coronated @KamalaHarris. Halperin says donors blame him more than themselves and� pic.twitter.com/kZp3WZYPUP

— Jesse Watters (@JesseBWatters) December 6, 2024

Sucks to be them. They had multiple opportunities to ask biden to step down and not run again like he had already promised in 2020 but they chose not to do that and now they are butthurt.

Let's face fact, biden and the liberals had fvcked the country up bad enough in 4 years that whoever ran as a democrat was going to lose.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (Rcnd3)

142 I feel like the legality or constitutionality of it is largely academic. I find it very hard to imagine SCOTUS deciding that pardoning powers are limited in any way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (GBKbO)

It's in the Constitution. The prez can pardon whoever the fuck he wants. I'm tired of the Constitution being read between the lines.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (g8Ew8)

143 Pedo Joe starring in "Back to the Basement."

With apologies to "Back to the Future."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 06, 2024 04:22 PM (4tmpE)

That really looks like the pic of Christopher Lloyd !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (NtVYv)

144 Fauci?
Even if pardoned I would let any foreign country do snatch and bag extraction on his ass if they promise try him for crimes against humanity.

He's got tens of thousands of potential state murder charges in addition to all sorts of healthcare violations. Ironically a federal pardon probably helps him less then any other miscreant in the Junta

Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (oZhjI)

145 And I would have gotten away with it, were it not for those meddling kids!

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (wBaIH)

146 It's George Clooney's fault !

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (QTCRF)

147 141 Sucks to be them. They had multiple opportunities to ask biden to step down and not run again like he had already promised in 2020 but they chose not to do that and now they are butthurt.

Let's face fact, biden and the liberals had fvcked the country up bad enough in 4 years that whoever ran as a democrat was going to lose.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (Rcnd3)

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Oh, they asked. There was a public campaign that was obviously an extension of a private campaign in summer of 2023 to get him to drop out.

He simply refused.

The mistake was believing Biden would ever willingly step aside. The guy's a powermad asshole of the highest order.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (GBKbO)

148 I feel like the legality or constitutionality of it is largely academic. I find it very hard to imagine SCOTUS deciding that pardoning powers are limited in any way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (GBKbO)
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This is why we lose - people say "Well, I guess the law is what it is, why fight it in court?"

Why not? Gay marriage was invented out of whole cloth. Let's tackle this issue, because the obvious next step is blanket pardons for the entire administration every time a single official gets caught.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (ZOv7s)

149 "Daniel Penny is one step closer to freedom after a judge dismissed the top manslaughter charge against him on Friday - but he must return to court next week to face lesser charges. "

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (QTCRF)

150 t's unclear from SC decisions whether accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Ford always thought that the pardon was an imputation of Nixon's guilt.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:23 PM (dxSpM)

I think many thought it was more to prevent a show trial like we have seen with Trump. The Dems have always been evil little shits.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (tK3Zm)

151 It's in the Constitution. The prez can pardon whoever the fuck he wants. I'm tired of the Constitution being read between the lines.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (g8Ew

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No, he can't. Pardons had a specific meaning and we need to explore that. Why do conservatives suck at lawfare? This is why: pre-emptive surrender.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (ZOv7s)

152 "Rather than declaring a mistrial, the judge agreed to an unorthodox request from the prosecution - the top charge was dropped, and the jury has been told to come back next week to focus on count two: criminally negligent homicide".

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (QTCRF)

153 142
It's in the Constitution. The prez can pardon whoever the fuck he wants. I'm tired of the Constitution being read between the lines.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM (g8Ew

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That's ultimately what I come back to. The power is plenary.

The only open question, the academic one, is: Does it need to be for a specific crime? Constitution seems to be silent on it.

I dunno.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (GBKbO)

154
Biden, Feinstein, Ginsburg, Thurmond, McConnell...
Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:18 PM (QTCRF)

________

Karl Mundt had a stroke and was incapacitated but retained his Senate seat for five years. The SC had to use dynamite to get William O. Douglas to leave.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (dxSpM)

155 >>Btw, rumor around here is Al Sharpton is asking for pardon...for a family member.

Jessie Jackson, for his son. Not Sharpton. Unless Sharpton is now getting in on the act.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (Y1sOo)

156 149 "Daniel Penny is one step closer to freedom after a judge dismissed the top manslaughter charge against him on Friday - but he must return to court next week to face lesser charges. "
Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (QTCRF)

They're determined to find him guilty of something

Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (IyPmt)

157 148 This is why we lose - people say "Well, I guess the law is what it is, why fight it in court?"

Why not? Gay marriage was invented out of whole cloth. Let's tackle this issue, because the obvious next step is blanket pardons for the entire administration every time a single official gets caught.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (ZOv7s)

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Making a prediction that courts will toss out any challenge = giving up.

Got it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (GBKbO)

158 This is the best Biden I have seen !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (NtVYv)

159 And I just bought a cuke...

@EpochTimes 6m
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) is recalling a second batch of cucumbers in less than a week due to possible salmonella contamination. https://theepochtim.es/iu4ds2

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (IG4Id)

160 Is Perry news, news or am I reposting something that has been mentioned before ?

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (QTCRF)

161 t;s CHristmas, might as well

Posted by: DaveA at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (FhXTo)

162
If conservatives are "Nazis", then how did the Dims get a solid stand in for Dr. Joseph Mengele in the form of Anthony Fauci?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (xG4kz)

163 They're determined to find him guilty of something
Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (IyPmt)

asshoes

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:27 PM (QTCRF)

164 You asked for it

https://tinyurl.com/3tft73a6

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 06, 2024 04:27 PM (XI1F5)

165 It's Christmas, might as well have Scrooge Hair.

Posted by: DaveA at December 06, 2024 04:27 PM (FhXTo)

166 Biden Looks Literally Old As Death Now
—Ace
Yikes! That could be me😑!!

Doing the Trump dance now🤸....

Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 06, 2024 04:27 PM (FjReC)

167 Americans say Biden is the worst president of the past 50 years, sinking lower than Carter.

How can this be? Joe ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 06, 2024 04:27 PM (+myjY)

168 Robert Byrd was brought to the Senate in a hospital bed to vote.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (gGMRM)

169 167 Americans say Biden is the worst president of the past 50 years, sinking lower than Carter.

How can this be? Joe ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 06, 2024 04:27 PM (+myjY)

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Give it a year.

He'll be top 10 or so.

Democrats will love him again because he defeated Trump that one time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (GBKbO)

170 If conservatives are "Nazis", then how did the Dims get a solid stand in for Dr. Joseph Mengele in the form of Anthony Fauci?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (xG4kz)

But Fauci only tortured puppies!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (+myjY)

171 YOU KNOW WHEN THE DEMS WOULD CHARGE TRUMP AS ONLY BEING OUT FOR HIMSELF, AND HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDED? IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THEY WERE PROJECTING AGAIN AS IT IS BIDEN THAT IS ONLY OUT FOR BIDEN.

Posted by: BEN ROTHLEISBURGERGER at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (fs1hN)

172 How is Biden too mush-brained to face the law over stolen documents, but lucid enough to issue pardons

Posted by: Don Black at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (/7KEl)

173 The children prayed, the preacher preached
Time and mercy is out of your reach
I'll fix your feet til you cant walk
I'll lock your jaw til you cant talk
I'll close your eyes so you can't see
This very hour, come and go with me
I'm death I come to take the soul
Leave the body and leave it cold

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (NtVYv)

174 It's unclear from SC decisions whether accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Ford always thought that the pardon was an imputation of Nixon's guilt.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:23 PM (dxSpM)
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This is why we need a definitive ruling. Nixon resigned rather than be impeached it was openly discussed what crimes he would be charged with once he was out of office, so Ford's pardon had a singular discrete purpose. Nixon did not get a pardon for everything he did since 1964.

Nothing in the Constitution gives the President the ability to issue carte blanche pardons.

Besides, let's keep this in the headlines. Let's subpoena witnesses and ask what they feel they did wrong.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (ZOv7s)

175 >>Biden doesn't have any good choices here. It's not going to matter to him, because he'll be dead soon and as long as his family stays out of jail I think he'll be fine with it. I'm betting there's a nonzero chance that he doesn't pardon anyone else, as long as their last name isn't Biden. The Dems left him out to dry, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't help them out. If he did, however, that would be the beginning of the Democrats' problems.

As far we know they left him hanging. I've got a feeling that a scumbag who spent his entire career in DC getting paid to do something didn't just agree to walk out of the White House without a gratuity. Or 7.

I agree he has no good choices. But I don't believe for a second that either of those two potential Trump assassins was working alone. Does anyone else find it a bit odd we have heard virtually nothing about either investigation?

If Joe leaves them hanging out to dry I think there's a pretty solid chance they would find a way to get revenge.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (LkLld)

176 I want *biden to pardon Obama and Pelosi. With specifics.

It's not like they will ever be held to account. So, pour some more gas on this dumpster 🔥

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (Q4IgG)

177 Has everyone in the Commentariat here suddenly aged?

The overall level of cynicism far exceeds that of the average under-twentyniner.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (R+4G8)

178 Robert Byrd was brought to the Senate in a hospital bed to vote.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (gGMRM)

And ironically he was covered in a sheet.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (tK3Zm)

179 "THERE WAS A PRIMARY WHERE THEY COULD HAVE MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE A SECOND TERM AND COALESCED SUPPORT AROUND AN ALTERNATE CANDIDATE."

Biden didn't deserve the first term, but he was selected (for his corruption and name recognition, I presume), then the election was stolen for the crooked old fool, and he passed out billions to his cronies, or whomever paid the entry fee.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (Cus5s)

180 178 Robert Byrd was brought to the Senate in a hospital bed to vote.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (gGMRM)

And ironically he was covered in a sheet.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (tK3Zm)

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I'm not sure that would be ironic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (GBKbO)

181 If the only limit on Presidential pardons is clearance for *past* crimes, then Fauci is still in trouble.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (KcwUg)

182 It's in the Constitution. The prez can pardon whoever the fuck he wants. I'm tired of the Constitution being read between the lines.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 04:24 PM

Correct, the power of the president to pardon whoever he wants to for whatever reason(s) he wants to is absolute. If the founders had wanted limits on that power they would have written them in to the constitution but they chose not to.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (Rcnd3)

183 Just get off my back, man. I'm driving this administration now!

Posted by: President Potatohead at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (+myjY)

184 >>Robert Byrd was brought to the Senate in a hospital bed to vote.

Was he lying on a white sheet or wearing one?

Posted by: one hour sober at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (Y1sOo)

185 donors blame him more than themselves

It's what sociopaths do.

Posted by: DaveA at December 06, 2024 04:30 PM (FhXTo)

186 Biden looking like a hobo.

Bottle of wine
Bottle of wine
When you gonna let me get sober
Leave me alone e let me go home
Let me go home and start ove

Pain in my head
Bugs in my bed
My pants are so old they shine
Out on the street
I ask the people I meet
To buy me a bottle of wine.
.whoaa...

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at December 06, 2024 04:30 PM (ast4B)

187 The next time the President says he will or won't do something, why should the American people believe him?

The American people?
Hell! How about Putin???
You know. The guy with lots of nukes.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 06, 2024 04:30 PM (W/lyH)

188 Damn, one has to be fast 'round here

Posted by: one hour sober at December 06, 2024 04:30 PM (Y1sOo)

189 I feel like the legality or constitutionality of it is largely academic. I find it very hard to imagine SCOTUS deciding that pardoning powers are limited in any way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:16 PM (GBKbO)
_________

So hypothetically, Hunter could have committed a murder at some location where only federal jurisdiction applies, and he couldn't be charged.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024 04:30 PM (Dm8we)

190 The overall level of cynicism far exceeds that of the average under-twentyniner.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (R+4G

I try to be cynical, but it's hard to keep up

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:30 PM (NtVYv)

191 But Presidential historians rank Biden as one of the best ever!

Take that America!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (/MJlQ)

192 Biden looks like he is trying to replace Alastair Sim.

Posted by: tankdemon at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (VSht7)

193 189 So hypothetically, Hunter could have committed a murder at some location where only federal jurisdiction applies, and he couldn't be charged.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024 04:30 PM (Dm8we)

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Yup.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (GBKbO)

194 Making a prediction that courts will toss out any challenge = giving up.

Got it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:26 PM (GBKbO)
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Because it's an argument for doing nothing.

I mean, the 2nd Amendment is pretty damn clear and that gets litigated all the time. Why should we roll over? Make them earn it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (ZOv7s)

195
And ironically he was covered in a sheet.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

"Seems like old times", he smiled.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (xG4kz)

196 We should have a betting pool on who Brandon is going to "forget" to pardon.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (KcwUg)

197 I feel like the legality or constitutionality of it is largely academic. I find it very hard to imagine SCOTUS deciding that pardoning powers are limited in any way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
========

I would think the most basic form of a pardon would be
"John Doe is pardoned." Date, King's Seal*.
Unlimited and absolute.

The only reason for a narrative would be to restrict the scope of the pardon.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 06, 2024 04:32 PM (/lPRQ)

198 Somebody has to get the keys to the nukes away from grandpa before he kills somebody!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 06, 2024 04:32 PM (+myjY)

199 194 Because it's an argument for doing nothing.

I mean, the 2nd Amendment is pretty damn clear and that gets litigated all the time. Why should we roll over? Make them earn it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (ZOv7s)

=======

We're a bunch of nobodies in a small corner of the internet flapping our gums.

We have no influence.

We're academics arguing over the number of angels on the head of a pin, and no more.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:32 PM (GBKbO)

200 62
If conservatives are "Nazis", then how did the Dims get a solid stand in for Dr. Joseph Mengele in the form of Anthony Fauci?

Because they are Dems!!! Holy cow..they suck so bad🖕....

Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 06, 2024 04:32 PM (FjReC)

201

Joe, get on the cart

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:33 PM (NtVYv)

202 1) the Dems might not realize this yet, but any group pardon will have to huge, because everyone will clamor to be on the list and no one will say no. And I think this is going to be a national outrage, even to the LIV’s. And enough of a national outrage could convince the Supreme Court that this was actually obstruction of justice.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:33 PM (fIpti)

203 177 Has everyone in the Commentariat here suddenly aged?

The overall level of cynicism far exceeds that of the average under-twentyniner.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 06, 2024 04:28 PM (R+4G

Pssh-- you should have seen me in kindergarten.

Posted by: tankdemon at December 06, 2024 04:33 PM (VSht7)

204 Biden looks like he is trying to replace Alastair Sim.
Posted by: tankdemon at December 06, 2024

***
I'd rather watch Alastair Sim in anything he ever did, than look at and listen to F. Joke for another six weeks.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:33 PM (J2vNu)

205 Afternoon.

Daniel Penny manslaughter charge dismissed.

Posted by: Robert at December 06, 2024 04:33 PM (1Yy3c)

206 Joe Biden is going to pardon Billy Joel for any and all charges of Arson from the dawn of time until 12/31/1989.

Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2024 04:33 PM (vGiQ3)

207
The difference between Nixon and the present situation is that Watergate had been investigated up the ying-yang by the Ervin Committee and the House Judiciary Committee. Nobody knows Jack about anything these prospective pardons cover.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:33 PM (dxSpM)

208 I think Biden looks better as an old man with wrinkles than he does with that uber-smooth plastic-surgery mask.

Assuming that all the pics we see of him actually depict the same person, of course.

Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 04:34 PM (v6JzV)

209 Correct, the power of the president to pardon whoever he wants to for whatever reason(s) he wants to is absolute. If the founders had wanted limits on that power they would have written them in to the constitution but they chose not to.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (Rcnd3)
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Right, and that's why the 2nd Amendment has never been subject to challenge and there is no gun control and no cases pending about it.

This should be tested and among the documents examined are the writings of the Founder, examples of executive clemency being offered carte blanche, and legal precent in the Common Law tradition.

This is an innovation. it is not how the Founders intended it. No president was assumed to be able to shield officials from legal scrutiny without specified charges.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:34 PM (ZOv7s)

210 And the fact that Esquire Magazine wrote a story defending the pardon by claiming Bush pardoned his son Neil Bush is now over and forgotten for another example of ' imagine if a conservative magazine had done that....'

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:34 PM (tK3Zm)

211 "Of course Biden is going to sign a mass pardon"

Do it asshole!

It would completely destroy all the BS the country has been going through for the last two decades.

The FNM will evaporate.

The only problem is the GOPe will become the new "Democrats"

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 06, 2024 04:34 PM (QB+5g)

212
If Biden really wanted to have fun,

He could issue pardons for crimes, the Democrats hacks didn't commit:

Like so: " I, Joe Biden, 46th President of the United States of America, hereby pardon Barack Hussein Obama of the crime of donkey fucking."

Then watch them scramble.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 06, 2024 04:34 PM (iJfKG)

213 Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm diggin' Joe's new hairdo....

Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 06, 2024 04:35 PM (FjReC)

214 Joe Biden is going to pardon Billy Joel for any and all charges of Arson from the dawn of time until 12/31/1989.
Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2024

***
Well, sure. He, and we, didn't start the fire.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:35 PM (J2vNu)

215 Yes, the manslaughter charge was dismissed so that they can get a conviction on the lesser charge. Penny's attorney opposed the dismissal for that reason. This is a blatantly illegal move almost coercing the jury to find him guilty of something.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 06, 2024 04:35 PM (t/2Uw)

216 214 Joe Biden is going to pardon Billy Joel for any and all charges of Arson from the dawn of time until 12/31/1989.
Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2024

***
Well, sure. He, and we, didn't start the fire.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:35 PM (J2vNu)

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But he did shoot the deputy!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:35 PM (GBKbO)

217
"Seems like old times", he smiled.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (xG4kz)

______

"Once a Kluxer, always a Kluxer." - Sen. Theodore "The Man" Bilbo (D-MS)

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (dxSpM)

218 >>> 206 Joe Biden is going to pardon Billy Joel for any and all charges of Arson from the dawn of time until 12/31/1989.
Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2024 04:33 PM (vGiQ3)

Ok, we can do that too.

Biden pardons Yoko Ono for singing.

Biden pardons Brie Larson for not having an ass.

Biden pardons Peanut the Squirrel and Fred the Raccoon for not having papers.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (KcwUg)

219 Like so: " I, Joe Biden, 46th President of the United States of America, hereby pardon Barack Hussein Obama of the crime of donkey fucking."

Joke's on you. Donkey-fucking isn't a federal crime.

Posted by: Juan Valdez at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (+myjY)

220 215 Yes, the manslaughter charge was dismissed so that they can get a conviction on the lesser charge. Penny's attorney opposed the dismissal for that reason. This is a blatantly illegal move almost coercing the jury to find him guilty of something.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 06, 2024 04:35 PM (t/2Uw)

Exactly

Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (IyPmt)

221 Prior to Biden, I think Feinstein was particularly egregious, she was very obviously non compos mentis , and the Dems continued to roll her in for votes. But then they very successfully hid Roosevelt's paralysis from the public. With Biden they reached mad King George level.

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (QTCRF)

222 Joe's hair is a mess but his caps are as white as ever.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (tK3Zm)

223
He could issue pardons for crimes, the Democrats hacks didn't commit:

Like so: " I, Joe Biden, 46th President of the United States of America, hereby pardon Barack Hussein Obama of the crime of donkey fucking."

There is a big assumption built into that you know.

Posted by: Some Tijuana Donkey with a sore ass at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (oZhjI)

224 Tune in next week for a new series of Pardons From The Crypt

Posted by: gKWVE at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (gKWVE)

225 Is this a bad time to remind everybody that Nixon was the most ethical man elected yo national office during the 60's?

Posted by: tankdemon at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (VSht7)

226 Up until a few months ago we didn't know how the court would view presidential immunity. I see no problem asking them if there are limits to presidential pardon or if a president just go full Oprah and start handing them out to everyone for any reason if a crime hasn't been specified.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (LkLld)

227 Biden should pardon Kathleen Kennedy for The Acolyte.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (+myjY)

228 I know it’s not just me… can’t be. KJP I find her ultimately annoying; really hard to watch the mophead for even a minute

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (6RwsA)

229 225 Is this a bad time to remind everybody that Nixon was the most ethical man elected yo national office during the 60's?
Posted by: tankdemon at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (VSht7)

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Who also ended the gold standard and established the EPA.

Fuck that guy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (GBKbO)

230 The president can pardon whoever he wants. The constitution only says -

"he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

But I think you can try to challenge this by requiring that the pardon contain a list of the "Offences" that are being pardoned. What if the president isn't aware of one of the crimes, would he have intended to pardon him for it?

Posted by: BEN ROTHLEISBURGERGER at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (fs1hN)

231 That's ultimately what I come back to. The power is plenary.

The only open question, the academic one, is: Does it need to be for a specific crime? Constitution seems to be silent on it.

I dunno.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:25 PM (GBKbO)

Considering what academics are in these days and times makes all the more sense to let this go. The Constitution being silent on crime types is there for a reason probably. The writers knew it would open a can of worms.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (g8Ew8)

232 If the pardon power is unlimited, can the President pardon someone for future crimes? Something like a plenary indulgence?

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (fIpti)

233 Slick Willy pardoned members of FALN
the Puerto Rican terrorist group responsible for numerous bombing deaths of law enforcement and other officials.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at December 06, 2024 04:38 PM (ast4B)

234 82. I was wondering why Jill wasn't there last night. Turns out she and daughter Ashley flew to Doha, Qatar to promote 'women's health initiatives.' Not a lie. And then the two women are going to Paris for the cathedral re-opening this weekend:

Posted by: beckster

So, if true, Ashley either returned with dad & niece Natalie, Beau's daughter, from Africa & then left with her mom to Qatar, or she went directly from Africa to Qatar to meet her mother.

It really doesn't matter but for the possibility there just may be collections (gifting) being made or contact info. being given for where collections (gifts) shall go for distribution in the future. 🎁🛒 $$$

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow at December 06, 2024 04:38 PM (NFX2v)

235 231 Considering what academics are in these days and times makes all the more sense to let this go. The Constitution being silent on crime types is there for a reason probably. The writers knew it would open a can of worms.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (g8Ew

========

The 3 libs would never vote to limit Biden's power in any way.

Gorsuch wouldn't vote to limit it based on the Constitution's plain language.

ACB would probably get influenced by Kagan to vote against it.

Roberts would be eager to vote against it.

Best case scenario is 6-3 against, if Kavanugh stays in line which isn't guaranteed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:38 PM (GBKbO)

236 News flash:

The media lies.

No film at 11:00pm.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 06, 2024 04:39 PM (WXNFJ)

237 Up until a few months ago we didn't know how the court would view presidential immunity. I see no problem asking them if there are limits to presidential pardon or if a president just go full Oprah and start handing them out to everyone for any reason if a crime hasn't been specified.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (LkLld)
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Exactly. Pardons are handed out for specific incidents and always have been. This pre-emptive immunity is an innovation, not how pardons have ever worked, or ever been understood to work in the Anglo-American tradition.

Hunter got an absolution, not a pardon.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:39 PM (ZOv7s)

238 Only Nixon can go to China.

How many remember that and what it means.

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 06, 2024 04:39 PM (QB+5g)

239 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

If you don't mind my asking, what is the story behind this nic?

Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 04:39 PM (v6JzV)

240 Who also ended the gold standard and established the EPA.

Fuck that guy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
__________

Don't forget the wage and price controls.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024 04:40 PM (Dm8we)

241 Of course Biden is worse than Carter. Carter meant well, he was just not up to the task. Biden has intentionally let whoever runs him drive the country into near ruin. Fuck him, fuck his Obama handlers, and I can only hope Biden knows he's going to die in disgrace.

Posted by: UGAdawg at December 06, 2024 04:40 PM (tRd71)

242 238 Only Nixon can go to China.

How many remember that and what it means.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 06, 2024 04:39 PM (QB+5g)

====

Easy.

It's a line from Star Trek VI. It means that Kirk didn't kill the Klingon chancellor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:40 PM (GBKbO)

243 >>> 240 Who also ended the gold standard and established the EPA.

Fuck that guy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
__________

Don't forget the wage and price controls.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024 04:40 PM (Dm8we)

OSHA

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 06, 2024 04:40 PM (KcwUg)

244 'Go forth, my son, and grift no more."

Posted by: Pope Potatohead at December 06, 2024 04:40 PM (+myjY)

245
Something like a plenary indulgence?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (fIpti)

_________

Indulgences are only to relieve the temporal punishment for sins committed and absolved. Always have been.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (dxSpM)

246 I think you all are giving Biden too much credit for having any idea what is going on around him. He answers no questions, gets led around by a handler and reads what is on the teleprompter or notes in his hand. i'm sure Hunter wrote the pardon doc. He is alwasy at Biden;s side. He was visible on Nanticket lthe weekend the pardon was issued.
having to wait til Jan 20th to put an end to this will be torture.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (t/2Uw)

247 If the pardon power is unlimited, can the President pardon someone for future crimes? Something like a plenary indulgence?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (

Bite your tongue my son.
-Zombie Martin Luther

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (ast4B)

248 If the pardon power is unlimited, can the President pardon someone for future crimes? Something like a plenary indulgence?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:37 PM (fIpti)
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Basically, some here are arguing that Joe's handlers are Super-Smart and used a power in a new Super-Smart way and I guess we should just give up without a fight.

*kicks dirt*

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (ZOv7s)

249 He chose... poorly.

Posted by: The Grail Knight at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (DTX3h)

250 248 Basically, some here are arguing that Joe's handlers are Super-Smart and used a power in a new Super-Smart way and I guess we should just give up without a fight.

*kicks dirt*
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (ZOv7s)

======

It's not new.

It's how Ford's pardon of Nixon worked.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (GBKbO)

251 cleaning sock

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (fs1hN)

252 Only Nixon can go to China.

How many remember that and what it means.
Posted by: pawn

Spock remembered in that one Star Trek flick.

But then, he also remembered all the details of the shootout at the OK Corral, so I guess that was his skill set.

Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (v6JzV)

253 Yes, we need a 25th Amendment style addition to the Constitution for Senators, but creating one with a workable enforcement provision wouldn't be easy.

Posted by: tankdemon at December 06, 2024 04:42 PM (VSht7)

254 Knowing what a prick Biden is, I wouldn't be surprised if he tells people looking for a pardon to literally beg for it in front of him.

Biden: "Hmm, I'm not sensing you want it bad enough. Maybe if you got on your knees and begged."

Posted by: WisRich at December 06, 2024 04:42 PM (G0vdT)

255 Who also ended the gold standard and established the EPA.

Fuck that guy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
__________

Don't forget the wage and price controls.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024 04:40 PM (Dm8we)

OSHA
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
_______

And the Rehabilitation Act of 73, the gateway to the ADA.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024 04:42 PM (Dm8we)

256 >The only open question, the academic one, is: Does it need to be for a specific crime? Constitution seems to be silent on it.
----

pardons are for 'offenses against the United States', which I take to mean federal charges, not crimes charged and adjudicated by local municipalities

Posted by: Don Black at December 06, 2024 04:42 PM (/7KEl)

257 253 Yes, we need a 25th Amendment style addition to the Constitution for Senators, but creating one with a workable enforcement provision wouldn't be easy.
Posted by: tankdemon at December 06, 2024 04:42 PM (VSht7)

How about term limits

Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:42 PM (IyPmt)

258 I do not see how someone can be pardoned for offense not yet committed. Even under the broadest interpretation.

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:43 PM (QTCRF)

259 Let me tell you about a place
Somewhere up a New York way
Where the people are so gay
Griftin the night away
Here they have a lot of fun
Putting trouble on the run
Man, you find the old and young
Griftin the night away

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:43 PM (NtVYv)

260 His Presidential Library is going to be sitting next to the Corvette in the garage in 15 "clear out your office" boxes.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at December 06, 2024 04:43 PM (zdYK9)

261 Make Biden fight this, make him spend his money on it.

Geez, Trump gets charged on garbage stuff be we're all like "Well, ya got us, Joe!"

What part of war don't people understand? Fight them all the time, on every front. Make them earn each victory and for once, we can use the tax dollars while they bleed their donors.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:43 PM (ZOv7s)

262 Ghost of Christmas, fat

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - society needs the pejorative faggot, so the term sassy is now used at December 06, 2024 04:43 PM (0E23u)

263 Biden looking like a hobo.
......

Sitting on a park bench
eyeing little girls with bad intent

Posted by: wth at December 06, 2024 04:43 PM (v0R5T)

264 Like a lot of people, I've read up on the 6666 Ranch after watching Yellowstone. Didja know they have a semen shipping department? Yeah, it's horses, but who knows.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 06, 2024 04:44 PM (gm9Sb)

265 How could you possibly not have seen the decline? I watched one debate in 2019 and saw it. I said to myself, "he's finished." I was right, but also wrong.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 06, 2024 04:44 PM (ZlOcj)

266 To borrow a phrase from Bo Diddley, he looks ten days older than water.

Posted by: Bud Norton at December 06, 2024 04:44 PM (6cOMd)

267 Knowing what a prick Biden is, I wouldn't be surprised if he tells people looking for a pardon to literally beg for it in front of him.

Biden: "Hmm, I'm not sensing you want it bad enough. Maybe if you got on your knees and begged."
Posted by: WisRich

My Chakra is stuck.
Help me release it...

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at December 06, 2024 04:44 PM (elaR+)

268 Is this a bad time to remind everybody that Nixon was the most ethical man elected yo national office during the 60's?
Posted by: tankdemon at December 06, 2024 04:36 PM (VSht7)

Nixon was a piker compared to the professional dickwads these days.
He would have gotten eaten up in this time...oh! He did back then!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 06, 2024 04:44 PM (FjReC)

269 Consider the corrupting effect if a mass pardon of administration officials is allowed to stand. It will be precedent for any future administration, which controls the Justice Department, to be as corrupt and lawless as they possibly can; and with a blanket pardon for all administration officials at the end, all of them would escape any judicial scrutiny no matter what crimes they committed.

I believe that will be the core of the argument that this is actually Obstruction of Justice.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:44 PM (fIpti)

270 It's how Ford's pardon of Nixon worked.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:41 PM (GBKbO)
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Except that it's not. Nixon was facing impeachment and then a criminal trial. The specified charges are out there. Look it up, if you want. The impeachment trial would lead to a criminal one.

Ford didn't say "Yeah, everything he did since 1964 was fine."

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:45 PM (ZOv7s)

271 It talks about legal proceedings being taken , but I think it is limited to after an offense is committed and prior to the legal proceeding.

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:45 PM (QTCRF)

272 But then, he also remembered all the details of the shootout at the OK Corral, so I guess that was his skill set.
_____

That and getting people to believe his made up logical statistical analysis.

Kirk: What are the odds I can seduce the green skinned girl and have enough time to disable the computer and warp out of this sector before the sun goes into supernova?

Spock: About 74.346%

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 04:45 PM (fs1hN)

273 Correct, the power of the president to pardon whoever he wants to for whatever reason(s) he wants to is absolute. If the founders had wanted limits on that power they would have written them in to the constitution but they chose not to.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 06, 2024 04:29 PM (Rcnd3)
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Hmmm. So the President was given a power that belongs to a king, in essence, but is not a king.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 06, 2024 04:46 PM (7fElN)

274 My mom had Alzheimers and I knew immediately that Biden seemed to as well.
It was pretty obvious.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at December 06, 2024 04:46 PM (elaR+)

275 270 Except that it's not. Nixon was facing impeachment and then a criminal trial. The specified charges are out there. Look it up, if you want. The impeachment trial would lead to a criminal one.

Ford didn't say "Yeah, everything he did since 1964 was fine."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:45 PM (ZOv7s)

=======

Actually, he did.

"Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:46 PM (GBKbO)

276 Biden came at the very bottom of the table, making him the worst in 47 years.

Best thing for his legacy would be to resign so that Kamala gets a month and a half Residency.

Posted by: t-bird at December 06, 2024 04:46 PM (xtH79)

277 What Biden should be handing out is Get Out Of Jail Free cards.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 06, 2024 04:46 PM (+myjY)

278 One beep for yes. Two beeps for no.

Posted by: All we are is plugs in the wind at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (63Dwl)

279 And the Rehabilitation Act of 73, the gateway to the ADA.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

I actually don't have a problem with the ADA. Sure, it's abused, just like every other law is abused. But it facilitates the useful employment of disabled people who might otherwise be sitting around drawing sustenance from the public dole.

Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (v6JzV)

280 Hmm
Dubai built an aircraft carrier named in honor of his father

Joe Biden spongebrain shit pants
Hunter Biden Feces artist extraordinaire

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (ast4B)

281 Since the California judge is requiring an official full copy of the Clemency Pardon, and the White House responded that they are currently "working on it," who wants to make a bet?

I bet they did the full Clemency Pardon months ago, and now they have the problem of a back dated official certificate that directly contradicts the story of considering the pardon over the Thanksgiving weekend.

Any takers?

Posted by: Orson at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (dIske)

282 Everyone knew and thought it amusing because they knew how damn evil he really was. But because it was supposed to be O's real third term, and the progressive movement would keep marching forward with Nan and Chuck also as guides, JB would be in good hands politically.

No one thought he'd scare O away from being heavy handed.

But JB promised only one term. He gave it to them & their supporters in the end.

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (NFX2v)

283
I believe that will be the core of the argument that this is actually Obstruction of Justice.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:44 PM (fIpti)
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Also note that Ford was not leaving office. He did it upon taking office, and was essentially saying that if you convict Nixon I will pardon him and I'm just saving you the trouble of the trial.

That's why it wasn't challenged. Totally different circimstances.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (ZOv7s)

284 How could you possibly not have seen the decline? I watched one debate in 2019 and saw it. I said to myself, "he's finished." I was right, but also wrong.

-

That was crucial to the steal. The government wanted you to know they could put him into office, same as low IQ Harris and Obama. Remember, Harris got not a single vote. It was on purpose. It's part of the kink, same as the dementia p3do elderly Joe who's son is a massive international criminal and money launderer.

Trump beat the steal, and we've got a chance. But those folks are still in charge of the system.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - society needs the pejorative faggot, so the term sassy is now used at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (0E23u)

285
Hmmm. So the President was given a power that belongs to a king, in essence, but is not a king.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 06, 2024 04:46 PM (7fElN)

_________

The President can cure scrofula with a touch as well. Plus Droit du seigneur.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (dxSpM)

286 I thought pardons were after you have been convicted of a crime, not in case you may have done something illegal and don;t want to be held accountable even when causing significant harm. It is in essence a Get Out Of Jail Free Card no matter what one may have done.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 06, 2024 04:48 PM (t/2Uw)

287 I've heard people on the left say that Trump pardoned a bunch of people during his first term, but I have no idea who got pardoned. Is there a list somewhere? I mean a true list, not some leftist hallucination.

Posted by: Emmie at December 06, 2024 04:48 PM (Sf2cq)

288 Biden pardons his brother.

And the other pardons weren't to protect anyone. They will be sold. We will see who paid and who didn't.

Joe ain't taking this shit without compensation. Because he's going to get shit regardless. Might as well make some money.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 06, 2024 04:48 PM (JkCto)

289 Seeing as how a bunch of posters here say there should be limits on the power of the president to pardon people, what would those limits be?

I will start off, the president can only pardon a person for an actual crime they have been charged and/or convicted of.

That would have nullified the sweeping pardon for the draft dodgers, most of whom had never been charged let alone convicted of any crime.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 06, 2024 04:48 PM (Rcnd3)

290 Don't forget the wage and price controls.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024

***
I thought that was Ford, with the "Whip Inflation Now!" buttons. Or did he just continue what Nixon started?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:49 PM (J2vNu)

291 I am pretty sure biden's gang is looking very closely at this and trying to figure out if they can pardon for offenses not yet charged, acknowledged or committed.

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:49 PM (QTCRF)

292 "Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm diggin' Joe's new hairdo...."

I think he's going for the Keanu Reeves look.

Posted by: Crusader at December 06, 2024 04:49 PM (TN0g+)

293 Biden is transforming into a confused Ghost of Christmas Past

Posted by: illiniwek at December 06, 2024 04:49 PM (Cus5s)

294 I actually don't have a problem with the ADA. Sure, it's abused, just like every other law is abused. But it facilitates the useful employment of disabled people who might otherwise be sitting around drawing sustenance from the public dole.
Posted by: Bulg
____________

Could be wrong, but I think it, rather than the ADA, is the basis for the SC's Olmstead decision, which is what led to closing institutions and putting the insane on the streets.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 06, 2024 04:49 PM (Dm8we)

295 I mean, the 2nd Amendment is pretty damn clear and that gets litigated all the time. Why should we roll over? Make them earn it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:31 PM (ZOv7s)

I agree.

Ceding the legal playing field to the Democrats has contributed mightily to our current mess.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2024 04:49 PM (d9fT1)

296 out to everyone for any reason if a crime hasn't been specified.
Posted by: JackStraw

It's unclear what parts of The Ukraine Fiasco are criminal, and what parts really need to never see the light of day.

Insert clip of Morgan Freeman "I did not say this, I was never here"

Posted by: DaveA at December 06, 2024 04:49 PM (FhXTo)

297 So the President was given a power that belongs to a king, in essence, but is not a king.

-

Heck, that's nothing.
- SCOTUS

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - society needs the pejorative faggot, so the term sassy is now used at December 06, 2024 04:49 PM (0E23u)

298 We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like "I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive

Posted by: Joe Biden in the picture at December 06, 2024 04:50 PM (2UnvF)

299 Biden President Library, Seychelles

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow at December 06, 2024 04:51 PM (NFX2v)

300 ll offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:46 PM (GBKbO)
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You're seriously comparing an official term of office with a private citizen getting carte blanche?

Do you not get the difference or are you being willfully obtuse?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:51 PM (ZOv7s)

301 Manslaughter charge against daniel perry dismissed

Posted by: kallisto at December 06, 2024 04:51 PM (WQbU6)

302 But JB promised only one term. He gave it to them & their supporters in the end.
Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (NFX2v)

Oh boy, did he

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 06, 2024 04:51 PM (NtVYv)

303 I say let them pardon everyone and anyone, nobody was going to go after any of them anyway.

What this will do is make it easier to pardon, ALL!!! of the J6'rs, the FACE Act Grannies, Snowden, Assange, the Libertarian Dude, and anybody and everybody done wrong by The Junta.

And MSM/Donk Media Complex can go EABOD!!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 06, 2024 04:52 PM (XV/Pl)

304 Oh man, let Trump pardon every American not in government or California or Wall Street the moment he steps into office.

"We're focusing only on illegals. Slate is wiped clean for everyone. If it's good enough for the Bidens, it's good enough for you. State charges only from here on, and the states have to figure out what they want to do with the criminals."

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - society needs the pejorative faggot, so the term sassy is now used at December 06, 2024 04:52 PM (0E23u)

305 It is not absolute, there are constraints. The President cannot preemptively immunize from future criminal conduct.

Posted by: runner at December 06, 2024 04:52 PM (QTCRF)

306 Totally off-topic:

In the last few months the garbagemen in my area have gone completely full-Stasi, and now will routinely root through my garbage bags looking for taboo contents. If they find something they don't like, they simply drop the garbage bag in the sidewalk and walk away, refusing to pick it up. But what counts as taboo? ANYTHING THAT CAN BE COMPOSTED OR RECYCLED.

Last week I threw away an apple core and a piece of paper in my trash. On pickup day, the garbageman rooted through the bag and rejected it, as I watched. When I asked why he refused to pick up y garbage, he said that it contained compostable materials and recyclables, and this was illegal garbage.

I was about to file an officlal complaint thatI was b ein bullied by a crazed garbageman, when just now I discovered that he is following state orders! In california, as of this year, it is now a CRIME to mis-sort your garbage, and a crime to not recycle even the tiniest bit of recyclable material!
cont

The Democratic party has a "Super-majority" in the state legislature, so they can (and routinely do) pass completely insane statewide laws and regulations with no consultation or debate or public notice.

Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:53 PM (pMi6S)

307 established the EPA.

Won and ended the Vietnam war without a civil war here.

Stopped Soviet triangulations that nearly had us nuke China.

Posted by: DaveA at December 06, 2024 04:53 PM (FhXTo)

308 Spock remembered in that one Star Trek flick.

But then, he also remembered all the details of the shootout at the OK Corral, so I guess that was his skill set.
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024

***
His IQ would have been off the human charts. Why do you think those women wanted his brain?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:53 PM (J2vNu)

309 300 You're seriously comparing an official term of office with a private citizen getting carte blanche?

Do you not get the difference or are you being willfully obtuse?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:51 PM (ZOv7s)

=======

The power is plenary.

You're trying to establish a difference that doesn't matter legally. Besides, you said that the pardon was for something specific when it wasn't. It was for all crimes, known and unknown, over a period of time. You specifically said it wasn't that.

So, goalpost moving!

There's precedent that pardoning government officials for all crimes over a period of time is established and accepted.

Seriously, I'd be surprised if there was any federal court that would accept a suit on these grounds.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:53 PM (GBKbO)

310 "So she's admitting that yes, he's going to pardon all of his corrupt cronies like Fauci, Schiff, his "business" partners in Hunter's criminal buckraking ventures, etc."

Maybe it keeps them out of prison, but (I read) they can still face civil suits (if they stop breaking the law).

We the People vs DeepState and friends?

Posted by: illiniwek at December 06, 2024 04:53 PM (Cus5s)

311 They just had PDT's choice for WH Press Secretary on. Real cutie, seems like a smart young lady. Won't measure up to our current Governor when she had the job. "OK, you. Stand up and look stupid. What's your question? Ask it, sit down and shut up short eyes."

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 06, 2024 04:54 PM (gm9Sb)

312 I've got news for you, Mark. We all saw Biden's mental decline well before the 2020 election as well. We knew you were lying. We knew the media was also lying about Biden getting 81 million votes.

That's why thousands of people went to DC on J6 were they were entrapped by the corrupt establishment. You know that too but you're still too cowardly to report it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 04:06 PM (LkLld)

There's only one reason since 1900 you would not show your candidate on the campaign -- because you dared not to. Before that few candidates openly campaigned for themselves as it seemed unseemly.

FDR was hidden to a huge extent in 1944 because he was dying from cardiac problems. And then Biden was hiding in 2020. The reason is obvious.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 06, 2024 04:54 PM (n7h9X)

313 Nood Penny.

Posted by: fly gal at December 06, 2024 04:54 PM (ZSzfQ)

314 I actually don't have a problem with the ADA. Sure, it's abused, just like every other law is abused.

Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 04:47 PM (v6JzV)

It has created a cottage industry of sleazy serial-suing scumbags and their equally sleazy lawyers, and as a fun bonus a monstrous bureaucracy that tells businesses how high their counters should be and where the door knobs need to be.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2024 04:54 PM (d9fT1)

315 If we had a functioning press, they would have a great time questioning Joe, KJP or any other schmuck they put up to answer questions.

The pardon is dated starting Jan 1 2014. What crime against the United States did Hunter commit on that date?

How many crimes did Hunter commit?

Can you describe the nature of these crimes? Were they financial, bribery, drugs, did it involve underage girls?

Are there periods between 2014 and 2024 where Hunter didn't commit any crimes? What was the longest period between crimes?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 04:54 PM (fs1hN)

316 NOOD

Posted by: It's me donna at December 06, 2024 04:55 PM (IyPmt)

317 Oh man, let Trump pardon every American not in government or California or Wall Street the moment he steps into office.

"We're focusing only on illegals. Slate is wiped clean for everyone. If it's good enough for the Bidens, it's good enough for you. State charges only from here on, and the states have to figure out what they want to do with the criminals."

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - society needs the pejorative faggot, so the term sassy is now used at December 06, 2024 04:52 PM (0E23u)

------------------

"There's a new Pardoner in town!"

Posted by: ShainS -- I heard that James Carville is a Scientologist as well as Pederast at December 06, 2024 04:55 PM (mDn/q)

318 We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like "I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive
Posted by: Joe Biden in the picture at December 06, 2024

***
"Soak a handkerchief in the ether and put it down by the floorboards. Let the fumes rise up in our faces all the way to Vegas."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 04:55 PM (J2vNu)

319 We're academics arguing over the number of angels on the head of a pin, and no more.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 04:32 PM (GB

That saying always bugged me. I could swear it goes "...how many devils can dance on the head of a pin," but everyone says angels. It must be my AI hallucinating.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 06, 2024 04:55 PM (BI5O2)

320 That photo of Biden makes him look like a pedophile frantically looking around for his latest victim's father, who has promised to shoot him in the balls.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2024 04:55 PM (d9fT1)

321 Late to the party and from an earlier post but I to recognize this as the poetry it is:

"Start carrying guns, lefties. Because you demanded that cops stop policing, and you want to hang civilians who step into the breach.

So you c*nts are on your own now."

*chef's kiss*

Posted by: Never change, ace at December 06, 2024 04:56 PM (olf63)

322
REAKING

Jill Biden charged with necrophilia.
Posted by: zombie

=============

Jill to jury: "You actually think I'd fvck that thing?"
Judge: "Case dismissed."

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at December 06, 2024 04:56 PM (T3es0)

323 You're seriously comparing an official term of office with a private citizen getting carte blanche?

Do you not get the difference or are you being willfully obtuse?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:51 PM (ZOv7s)

He’s correct that this is the official defense that those backing the pardon will make; they will claim it is legal precedent. I think that claim can be challenged, because the scope of this impending pardon is too broad. As to Carter’s pardon of all of the draft dodgers, that was to those who had clearly acknowledged that they had committed a crime, which is why they had fled to Canada. So I would distinguish on that basis.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2024 04:56 PM (fIpti)

324 "My mom had Alzheimers and I knew immediately that Biden seemed to as well.
It was pretty obvious."

That's why we don't hate the press enough--they KNEW this was all bullshit and played right along with it. Every single soul at ABC, CBS, and NBC is part of the enemy. Yes, even the meteorologists--you know damn well the Axis countries had weather experts--that didn't make them "neutral" just because they stared at weather charts.

Posted by: Crusader at December 06, 2024 04:56 PM (TN0g+)

325 So just recent they passed SB 1383, which MANDATES composting and recycling for every hosuehold, with massive and ver-increasing FINES if you don't comply:

https://calrecycle.ca.gov/ organics/slcp/enforcement/jurisdiction/

All of this is based on some insane anti-scientific green-activist junk research about food waste "causing climate change" if put into the general landfill.

Uhhhhh -- the physical material of the food will rot away wherever it is sent -- landfill, compost pile, someone's stomach, etc. The Dems someone think that the carbon in food will magically disappear if we "compost" it. This is so moronic hat it's beneath even debunking.

So now I'm forced to participate in this charade,

Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:57 PM (pMi6S)

326 Are there not (surely) many state laws that were broken by the Biden Crime Syndicate? They certainly fabricated ways to Get Trump on state laws ... maybe the new FBI could lend a hand?

Posted by: illiniwek at December 06, 2024 04:57 PM (Cus5s)

327 I think the community notes is in response to Kinzinger gaining weight.

If you click the picture of him, it takes you to X. In the address bar, type in 'cancel' after 'x'.

Instead of being at https://x.com/whateverthread it will now say https//xcancel.com/whateverthread

I couldn't see the community notes, but I did see the all the picture progressions and comments.

Posted by: haffhowershower at December 06, 2024 04:58 PM (NMT5x)

328 The Clinton, Obama and Cheney lawyers are all in.

Not counting this -

Marc E. Elias on X
@marceelias
The success of our democracy rests on an effective opposition movement. We all must play a part in offering additional ideas and approaches and not being afraid to take risks. I plan to be a part of that effort. I hope you will too. Dec. 6, 2024

Laurence Tribe 🇺🇦 ⚖️
@tribelaw
Whatever verdict history reaches on Biden’s sweeping pardon of his son Hunter, it strengthens the case for a suitably framed pardon of Michael Cohen and isn’t remotely comparable to Trump’s past or impending abuses of the justice system, although it’ll sadly be used that way.
Dec. 2, 2024

🤡

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow at December 06, 2024 04:58 PM (NFX2v)

329 Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:53 PM (pMi6S)

Ze Germans were way ahead on that. When I was stationed there in the Army in 1988-91, we lived off-post in a civilian apartment. More than once we were visited by the custodian of the building to lecture us about what can be thrown down the chute, and what is deemed recyclable.

We started hauling our trash on-post to throw it in the Army dumpsters. We were not the only ones.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pledge in a Beanie at December 06, 2024 04:59 PM (Ad8y9)

330 also, any govt official who is impeached, is then fair game for the civil courts

Maybe Ford wanted to shield Nixon from some voracious district attorney wanting to make a name for himself

a DC court would have had jurisdiction

Posted by: Don Black at December 06, 2024 05:00 PM (/7KEl)

331 "The Dems someone think that the carbon in food will magically disappear if we "compost" it. "

Carbon is Evil. All forms of carbon, and any element that binds with it, must be sequestered or sent off planet. It's the Only Way to save Mother Earth.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 06, 2024 05:00 PM (Cus5s)

332 WTF??

Posted by: DEATH at December 06, 2024 05:00 PM (zgLAj)

333 Humans are "carbon-based life forms."

And so....

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow at December 06, 2024 05:02 PM (NFX2v)

334 So now I'm forced to participate in this charade,
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:57 PM (pMi6S)

Wrap your food scraps in duct tape.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 06, 2024 05:02 PM (n7h9X)

335 Exactly. Pardons are handed out for specific incidents and always have been. This pre-emptive immunity is an innovation, not how pardons have ever worked, or ever been understood to work in the Anglo-American tradition.

Hunter got an absolution, not a pardon.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 06, 2024 04:39 PM (ZOv7s)

I am wondering however, if Kamalltoe would have won, would the Kalorama cartel have let Hunter and his family off the hook or would they still be facing the inevitable investigations and perhaps trials? Everyone knows Barky never liked Ol' Joe.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 05:03 PM (g8Ew8)

336 Uhhhhh -- the physical material of the food will rot away wherever it is sent -- landfill, compost pile, someone's stomach, etc. The Dems someone think that the carbon in food will magically disappear if we "compost" it. This is so moronic hat it's beneath even debunking.

So now I'm forced to participate in this charade,
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:57 PM (pMi6S)

If recycling was profitable, they would be paying me for mining rights and paying me a profit percentage.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 06, 2024 05:04 PM (n7h9X)

337 "It has created a cottage industry of sleazy serial-suing scumbags and their equally sleazy lawyers, and as a fun bonus a monstrous bureaucracy that tells businesses how high their counters should be and where the door knobs need to be."

There's a downside to everything. I mean what do you expect when lawyers are involved.

Would you opposes Divorce on the same grounds?

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 06, 2024 05:06 PM (QB+5g)

338 Yes, the manslaughter charge was dismissed so that they can get a conviction on the lesser charge. Penny's attorney opposed the dismissal for that reason. This is a blatantly illegal move almost coercing the jury to find him guilty of something.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 06, 2024 04:35 PM (t/2Uw)

Grounds for appeal, if he is found guilty on the lesser charge?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 06, 2024 05:15 PM (a5uSC)

339 47 We need Ben Roethlisberger to explain the community note. That was the obvious response guy right? My brain hurts.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 06, 2024 04:09 PM (RsS92)

IT'S CONFUSING ME, BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND THERE'S NO NUTRITIONAL VALUE, BUT ON THE OTHER IT'S A LOW CALORIE TREAT. WHATEVER, JUST DON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER! WORKED FOR ME!

Posted by: BEN ROETHLESBURGER at December 06, 2024 05:15 PM (lg881)

340 I was about to file an officlal complaint thatI was b ein bullied by a crazed garbageman, when just now I discovered that he is following state orders! In california, as of this year, it is now a CRIME to mis-sort your garbage, and a crime to not recycle even the tiniest bit of recyclable material!
cont

The Democratic party has a "Super-majority" in the state legislature, so they can (and routinely do) pass completely insane statewide laws and regulations with no consultation or debate or public notice.
Posted by: zombie at December 06, 2024 04:53 PM (pMi6S)

Get a slingshot, and fire your apple cores over the roof of the house across the street. Do it at night, when nobody is looking.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 06, 2024 05:24 PM (a5uSC)

341 Yes, the manslaughter charge was dismissed so that they can get a conviction on the lesser charge. Penny's attorney opposed the dismissal for that reason. This is a blatantly illegal move almost coercing the jury to find him guilty of something.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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IANAL, but this seems backwards, or is this another "New York" thing, like the "Supreme" Court being inferior?
I think that Manslaughter should be a lesser charge than "Criminally Negligent HOMICIDE".

Posted by: buddhaha at December 06, 2024 05:25 PM (Jp6MX)

342 Uhhhhh -- the physical material of the food will rot away wherever it is sent -- landfill, compost pile, someone's stomach, etc. The Dems someone think that the carbon in food will magically disappear if we "compost" it. This is so moronic hat it's beneath even debunking.

So now I'm forced to participate in this charade,
Posted by: zombie

City sewer?
Garbage disposal.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 06, 2024 05:28 PM (/lPRQ)

343 Let him survive only until 12 Noon 1/20/25, only to keep Kamala from the office even for a day.

Posted by: Please listen carefully as our menu options have changed at December 06, 2024 08:40 PM (kvDvI)

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