NYT "Fact"-Check of RFKJr.s Complaint That the US Version of Froot Loops Contains Chemicals Not Present in Foreign Versions: The Ingredients List Are "Roughly" the Same (Except for All the Artficial Chemicals That RFKJr. Specifically Objects To)

Imma coin a new term for these false "fact" checks: Fake checks.

This is a few days old.

But let's cover it now, because now Joe Rogan is talking about it, too.

The New York Times offered a baffling fact-check of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s claim that a popular breakfast cereal in the United States contains several artificial ingredients.
The former Democratic-turned-Independent presidential candidate endorsed President-elect Donald Trump after suspending his 2024 campaign in August. On Thursday, Trump announced he had nominated Kennedy to head the Department of Health and Human Services in his incoming administration.
Kennedy has pledged to tackle chronic health issues facing Americans and take on "corruption" within the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in order to "Make America Healthy Again."
In an interview on MSNBC after Trump's victory earlier this month, Kennedy suggested the second Trump administration could eliminate entire departments within the FDA: "In some categories, their entire departments, like the nutrition department in the FDA, they have to go. They're not doing their job. They're not protecting our kids. Why do we have Froot Loops in this country that have 18 or 19 ingredients, and you go to Canada, and it's got two or three?"
The New York Times published a report on Friday analyzing Kennedy's views on artificial food ingredients that specifically fact-checked the Trump nominee for his claims about Froot Loops using different ingredients in their U.S. product versus Canadian product.
"Mr. Kennedy has singled out Froot Loops as an example of a product with too many artificial ingredients, questioning why the Canadian version has fewer than the U.S. version," the Times' report read. "But he was wrong. The ingredient list is roughly the same, although Canada's has natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots while the U.S. product contains red dye 40, yellow 5 and blue 1 as well as Butylated hydroxytoluene, or BHT, a lab-made chemical that is used 'for freshness,' according to the ingredient label."

Is that all?

According to a statement given to the Washington Post by Kennedy spokesperson, Stefanie Spear, Kennedy was referring to the differences in food dyes in the American and Canadian versions of the cereal.
"We can all unify behind the goal of making American food the healthiest and most nutritious in the world," Spear said in her statement.

The NYT's strange fact-check, which seemed to prove rather than disprove Kennedy's point about artificial ingredients being included in the U.S. version of the cereal, drew critics to mock the paper.

"Spitting out my coffee after reading this NYT 'fact check' of RFK Jr.," X user Brad Cohn wrote in a post that drew over 4 million views on the social media platform.
He added in mockery, "'As you see, the ingredient list is just completely identical, except the US product contains formaldehyde, cyanide, and nearly undetectable levels of saxitoxin.'"

Okay that's a parody list of ingredients but it's True In Spirit.

It's worse than that, akshually.

Because if these Fake Checkers had bothered to check any actual facts, they'd have found, which I found by complete accident, that Yellow Dye Number Five is one of the chemicals that RFKJr. is most passionate about getting out of our foods.

And of course, right there in the ingredients list for the American formula for Froot Loops, is Yellow Dye #5.

Below, Kennedy rips adding tartrazine to foods intended for humans.

Tatrazine is more often known by the anodyne name "Yellow Dye #5" in American foods' ingredients lists.

FDA allows toxic chemicals to be added to the Western diet. It is almost impossible to escape the poisons in your child’s food. Look how many labels in your kitchen have Tartrazine.

RFK, Jr. will ban these poisons like every other developed country does.

This is a MUST WATCH!… pic.twitter.com/xGdChLfzgW
— SULLY (@SULLY10X) November 14, 2024

Is Kennedy right that tartrazine is dangerous? I don't know, but I know that the corporate-owned FDA allows a lot of chemicals that a lot of western countries have banned for use in human food. I'd like to hear his evidence.

Unlike the NY Times, I don't automatically side with Big Food when it comes to the artificial ingredients they add into our food to hide the fact that this food looks and smells awful without the addition of chemicals.

How could the Fake Checkers have failed to turn this up in their Fake Check? Are they so ignorant they they did a "fact" check without doing the minimum possible amount of fact checking into RFKJr.'s agenda? Are they really completely ignorant of the fact that one of Froot Loops' ingredients is the one ingredient Kennedy objects to the most vociferously?

Or -- did they actually know but conceal this information from readers anyway, because Kennedy is now connected with Trump and no matter how reasonable, anything proposed by someone connected to Trump must be lied about and claimed to be the Devil's Work?

That's what Joe Rogan thinks is going on.

I don't know. I'd put my money on pure ignorance. Our "experts" are a shoddy, stupid lot, we're discovering more and more.

From Vigilant Fox:

Joe Rogan ERUPTS on The New York Times for "fack-checking" RFK Jr. on toxic food ingredients while simultaneously proving him right.
"That made my brain hurt just reading it."
The "fact-check" in question all started when The New York Times claimed RFK Jr. was "wrong" about differences in Froot Loops' ingredients between Canada and the United States.
However, their own reporting admitted that the U.S. version contains harmful chemicals like Red Dye 40, Yellow 5, Blue 1, and butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), while the Canadian version uses "natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots."
"So they're literally saying he was wrong, but he was right," Rogan scoffed. "That is the f--king dangerous chemicals banned in Canada that we're trying to get rid of in America!"
Rogan continued to question what possible motivation the The New York Times could have to "fact-check" RFK Jr.'s efforts to remove toxic ingredients from the food supply.
"Like, what are you trying to do? Are you trying to remove all leftover credibility? Are you trying to k*ll it all?" Rogan asked. "Are you secretly working for the Chinese? Like, what are you doing?"
Rogan's guest, Jimmy Corsetti, concluded, "It's probably backed by Monsanto or something."

10 Shocking Stories the Media Buried Today

#10 - Joe Rogan ERUPTS on The New York Times for “fack-checking” RFK Jr. on toxic food ingredients while simultaneously proving him right.

“That made my brain hurt just reading it.”

The “fact-check” in question all started when The… pic.twitter.com/8XWFxc33FS
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) November 20, 2024

The ingredients list is roughly the same, except much longer, and uses artificial, possibly poisonous dyes derived from coal tar instead of natural sources of coloration like blueberries and carrots.

But otherwise -- "roughly" the same!

As Rogan asks, rhetorically -- what is your target, New York Times? Zero credibility? Is very low credibility you already have weighing you down and you want to shed it like it's extra fat around the middle?

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1 We are blessed with idiots for opponents.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024 04:01 PM (2UnvF)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:02 PM (Zz0t1)

3 We're grays!!!! We're greys, man.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:02 PM (Zz0t1)

4 So changing atmospheric co2 by a few ppm is no big deal. It's basically the same thing, right?

Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 20, 2024 04:02 PM (7Quhn)

5 Fake and Gray

Posted by: harumph at November 20, 2024 04:03 PM (xvubb)

6 We are blessed with idiots for opponents.

And Thank G*d for that …

Posted by: Adriane the Fruit Pie Chart of the Month Club Critic . . . at November 20, 2024 04:03 PM (TX4bP)

7 I'm so looking forward to heads being lopped off.

Or just exploding in rage.

I'm not fussy.

Posted by: Stateless at November 20, 2024 04:03 PM (jvJvP)

8 But let's cover it now, because now Joe Rogan is talking about it, too.

"All the f*cking Ace guy does is steal my shit......"

- - - - - Joe Rogan

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:03 PM (Zz0t1)

9 NYT: Rat poison is perfectly safe except for the strychnine.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024 04:03 PM (2UnvF)

10 Out: Watergate.
In: The Froot Loops Scandal.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:04 PM (pMi6S)

11 I am going to have to draw the line in the sand if he comes after Captain Crunch.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 20, 2024 04:04 PM (QNSds)

12 I thought Froot Loops were hideous as a kid. I still think them hideous. While I was spell bound by Captain Crunch, I did wake up when my gums were bleeding.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:05 PM (jFCkp)

13 Or -- did they actually know but conceal this information from readers anyway, because Kennedy is now connected with Trump and no matter how reasonable, anything proposed by someone connected to Trump must be lied about and claimed to be the Devil's Work?

I rate this as plausible. Hate clouds judgement, and he is now reviled on the left.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 20, 2024 04:05 PM (xCA6C)

14 Maybe we should grow our own food … except Gov. Witchymer banned the sale of vegetable seeds to combat C19.

Posted by: Adriane the Fruit Pie Chart of the Month Club Critic . . . at November 20, 2024 04:05 PM (TX4bP)

15 There are differences in tastes between items in the US and items in Canada.

Certain candy bars come to mind.

I thought it was due to regional tastes.

Posted by: Stateless at November 20, 2024 04:06 PM (jvJvP)

16 The only time my mother allowed me to eat Froot Loops when I was a kid was on my birthday, and for a few days afterward until I finished the box. Then it was back to Rice Crispies and Cheerios for the rest of the year.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:06 PM (v6JzV)

17 >>>11 I am going to have to draw the line in the sand if he comes after Captain Crunch.

i've got bad news for ya.

if it's yella, it's got yella dye #5.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:06 PM (KRtlO)

18 From earlier:

Fruit Loops US Ingredients:
Corn flour blend (whole grain yellow corn flour, degerminated yellow corn flour), sugar, wheat flour, whole grain oat flour, modified food starch, contains 2% or less of vegetable oil (hydrogenated coconut, soybean and/or cottonseed), oat fiber, maltodextrin, salt, soluble corn fiber, natural flavor, red 40, yellow 5, blue 1, yellow 6, BHT for freshness, Vitamins and Minerals: Vitamin C (ascorbic acid), reduced iron, niacinamide, vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hydrochloride),vitamin B2 (riboflavin), vitamin B1 (thiamin hydrochloride), folic acid,vitamin D3, vitamin B12
(Cont)

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:06 PM (KdwTE)

19 In the last thread: codes [ / ]
Here is a 'manual' on bb-codes

https://tinyurl.com/54878xbj

Posted by: Ciampino - in the barrel at November 20, 2024 04:07 PM (i0xsb)

20 Fruit Loops Canadian Ingredients
Corn Flour Blend (Whole Grain Yellow Corn Flour,
Degerminated Yellow Corn Flour), Sugar, Wheat Flour, Whole Grain Oat Flour, Modified Food Starch,
Contains 2% or Less of Vegetable Oil (Hydrogenated Coconut, Soybean and/or Cottonseed), Oat Fiber, Maltodextrin, Salt, Soluble Corn Fiber, Natural Flavor, Red 40, Yellow 5, Blue 1,
Yellow 6, BHT for Freshness. Vitamins and Minerals: Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid), Reduced Iron,
Niacinamide, Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine Hydrochloride), Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin),
Vitamin B1 (Thiamin Hydrochloride), Folic Acid, Vitamin D3, Vitamin B12.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:07 PM (KdwTE)

21 Remember all that end of the world millennialism crazy shit we were supposed to get worried about a couple of decades ago?
Maybe it operates on millennial time scales, and is just..getting...started....

Posted by: From about That Time at November 20, 2024 04:07 PM (4780s)

22 And I believe RFK Jr wants answers not assurances.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 20, 2024 04:07 PM (tT6L1)

23 How do they get the poutine into the Canadian Froot Loops?

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:07 PM (v6JzV)

24 Reading content

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2024 04:08 PM (fwDg9)

25 16 The only time my mother allowed me to eat Froot Loops when I was a kid was on my birthday, and for a few days afterward until I finished the box. Then it was back to Rice Crispies and Cheerios for the rest of the year.
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You really can't beat Corn Flakes. Then there is All Bran the blow hole treat.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:08 PM (jFCkp)

26 even a Kaboom Kid knows this is bullshit.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:08 PM (KRtlO)

27 I went to Germany, Austria and Czech Rep in June. They eat tons of food 3 big meals per day and none of them are fat.

I was walking around in the grocery store a few days ago and noticed that I was one of a very few people in the store that wasn't morbidly obese.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 20, 2024 04:08 PM (KJ3hR)

28 Bathrooms and breakfast cereal.
Our government is retarded.

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2024 04:08 PM (v0R5T)

29 Yet again, Trump is brilliant in somehow getting the left to argue in favor of something that, 5 seconds ago, they were stridently against.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2024 04:08 PM (B9Prs)

30 Fun fact: the co-inventor of Captain Crunch was an Israeli immigrant and '67 war veteran (armor) who later opened a winery in the Sierra foothills of CA. Not sure he's still around or the winery either. Good petite syrah. Used to stop by when returning from winter sports in Truckee.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2024 04:09 PM (1m82a)

31 Why don't they just put up a sign with a red circle with a slash and a dick in it?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2024 04:09 PM (/lPRQ)

32 "Yea, but what about Salty Semen Dye #69?"

-- Pete Bootyjuice

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 20, 2024 04:09 PM (iFTx/)

33 Oh shit, not Doritos!

Posted by: spindrift at November 20, 2024 04:09 PM (OguvZ)

34 Oops, wrong thread but I guess it can to many topics.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2024 04:09 PM (/lPRQ)

35 I would like to see a PSA next year featuring RFK Jr. saying "I strongly disapprove of Fruit Loops and all the dyes used in them - but I'm Crazy for Cocoa Puffs!!!! I just had some! Woohoo! Woohoo!!!" (jumps around the room wildly)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2024 04:09 PM (wyMQY)

36 but he got ONE ingredient wrong, so OBVOIUSLY everything else doesn't matter, because it was yellow # 36 NOT yellow 42...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at November 20, 2024 04:10 PM (nXhwP)

37 When I was doing strict keto, I was amazed to learn all the names for the hidden sugars in foods. There's at least a hundred. Designed to sneak in crap you don't need.

Red 40 and yellow 5 and bad and need to go.

Both parties get kickbacks from food lobbyists to turn a blind eye to this stuff. So nothing changes, and the good journalists covering it like Nina Teichulz get demonized.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 20, 2024 04:10 PM (wcIbG)

38 >>>37 When I was doing strict keto, I was amazed to learn all the names for the hidden sugars in foods. There's at least a hundred. Designed to sneak in crap you don't need.

boy howdy.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (KRtlO)

39 I hope he's successful in getting pharma ads of TV.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (2UnvF)

40 I do get Froot Loops occasionally
I am actually all for cleaning up the food suppy, I think corn syrup can't be good.

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (fwDg9)

41 >>And I believe RFK Jr wants answers not assurances.

He wants the TRUTH!

Who ordered the Code Yellow?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (LkLld)

42 tatrazine - so I can calmly wait for my Eastern European two-stroke to wind up? or to clean my teeth.

Posted by: DaveA at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (FhXTo)

43 The ingredient list is roughly the same, although Canada's has natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots while the U.S. product contains red dye 40, yellow 5 and blue 1 as well as Butylated hydroxytoluene, or BHT, a lab-made chemical that is used 'for freshness,' according to the ingredient label."
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'They are the same, except not the same, but otherwise, the same'.

Dou·ble·speak
/ˈdəbəlˌspēk/
noun

1.
deliberately euphemistic, ambiguous, or obscure language:
"the art of political doublespeak"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (XeU6L)

44 What is in some of this stuff now, as compared to 20, 30, 40 years ago is probably significantly different. I seem to recall various dyes, preservatives and whatnot being "labeled as unhealthy or causing cancer" back in the 70's.

Then replaced with something concocted by a big chemical manufacturer and passed off as "better, safer" only until recently.

It's all a scam. With our health and lives on the line. But, hey... profits are up at General Mills so quit bitching.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (Q4IgG)

45 Yeah, the [COLOR=red] color ones [/COLOR] don't work.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (Zz0t1)

46 Yeah, yeah that was indeed giggle-worthy when I saw it. Even their weasel wording is self-betraying, that's the kind of stuff that I catch when I am writing and stop, going "well if that's the best I can do, maybe they have a point."

Honestly I think the dread dangers of certain chemicals in food are overstated, to put it mildly, but I am all for cutting back on the vast levels of preservatives, seed oils, soy, and sugar in our foods.

RFK jr is a zealot and he overdoes stuff, but he's not entirely wrong and its definitely time to start looking at this stuff a bit more critically.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (RsS92)

47 To be fair, there re a lot of garbage ingredients in European foods as well -- maybe different from US garbage ingredients, or labelled differently, but nearly as bad as here.

FOr example, in the UK, nearly every drink now has heinous and horrible-tasting artificial sweeteners, due to a nationwide "sugar ban" (massive tax, actually).

EU products won[t event ell you the names of the ingredients, but instead just list their code numbers, which generally start with an "E" ("Wheat, butter, E465, E781, E213...") You literally have n idea what any of it even is, unless you look it up online, only to discover that E465 is some unpronouncable chemical like di-hydroxymethyltartratize-4-alphyl-alkinoid" or some shit.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (pMi6S)

48 to all you Kaboom Kids - my dad made sure that me and my brother ALWAYS ate Wheaties!!! You know why.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (wyMQY)

49 I was walking around in the grocery store a few days ago and noticed that I was one of a very few people in the store that wasn't morbidly obese.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 20, 2024 04:08 PM

I see that at Walmart. One day when the ebt cards got loaded there was a line for the mart carts. Half a dozen people sitting in the front of the store waiting for one of the 8 electric fat carts they have and the lady at the door was telling them they would have to wait and they were not happy.

Huge fat people were complaining because they had to wait for one of the carts to spend their ebt card money because they are so fat they can't walk 20 feet without blowing a lung.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (QNSds)

50 The same government that is constantly banning things it (deceitfully) claims are harmful -- or cause cancer or shrivel your balls or turn you into Brian Stelter -- is the same one that's fighting to keep more poisonous and dangerous food dyes in kids' food. Why? It's almost like the government is pimping for Big Aggy.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (iFTx/)

51 >>> Is Kennedy right that tartrazine is dangerous? I don't know, but I know that the corporate-owned FDA allows a lot of chemicals that a lot of western countries have banned for use in human food.

The reverse is true too.

Almost like different countries have different standards.... we need a one-world government!

I volunteer to be Overlord.
But will a cabinet of sycophants and call it democracy.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (/lPRQ)

52 I am actually all for cleaning up the food suppy, I think corn syrup can't be good.
Posted by: Skip
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'Shut up' they explained.

Posted by: Big Karo at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (XeU6L)

53 Oh shit, not Doritos!

Posted by: spindrift at November 20, 2024 04:09 PM (OguvZ)

Doritos lost me when they used a tranny in their ads over in Europe somewhere.

Screw you and your indoctrination.

HEB labled products FTW.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (Zz0t1)

54 10 and 20 are "roughly the same" as they're both divisible by 5 and 10 and they're both numbers.....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (tT6L1)

55 I asked this on an earlier thread, but what the heck does "natural flavor" mean?

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (v6JzV)

56 I am going to have to draw the line in the sand if he comes after Captain Crunch.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 20, 2024 04:04 PM (QNSds)

Leave the glass shards in there. It's part of the CC experience.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (aD39U)

57 RFK jr is a zealot and he overdoes stuff, but he's not entirely wrong and its definitely time to start looking at this stuff a bit more critically.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (RsS92)
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Fair assessment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 20, 2024 04:13 PM (tT6L1)

58 It has been explained to me the "Kix" which are very plain, are expensive because they are on the WIC list.

Fruit Loops tend to do things to my system. Usually due to consuming half the box at 12:30 am.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at November 20, 2024 04:13 PM (Z8Yh2)

59 I'm fairly close to zero junk food now ... haven't had chips in years, don't even treat myself to cookies. Maybe that will change when I lose another ten pounds. The flavored sparkling water I drink might be a little inpure ... not sure what gives it the flavors.

But pushing the addictive junk on kids is atrocious, and deliberate. If FDA workers are caught taking bribes in exchange for poisoning kids ... they need worse than just being fired (or promoted).

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2024 04:13 PM (Cus5s)

60 What is in some of this stuff now, as compared to 20, 30, 40 years ago is probably significantly different. I seem to recall various dyes, preservatives and whatnot being "labeled as unhealthy or causing cancer" back in the 70's.

Yeah its pretty close to the same, except now there's more corn syrup and soy in our foods. More seed oils. Personally I doubt the seed oils are as awful as being portrayed, but its over done.

Try being someone who is extremely sensitive to sugar in your diet. Like more than 5 grams of sugars in a meal is too much.

Its sheer hell shopping, sugar is in everything. And its hidden, they have like 18 varieties of sugar they put in stuff, adding it up more and more and more until its nasty. Who the hell needs sugar in mayonnaise? Why are you adding sugar to tomato sauce?? Why are you sneaking it into everything?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:13 PM (RsS92)

61 Not a fan (to put it mildly) of guvamint bans, prohibitions, micro-management, and nannying. Big fan of information disclosure and individual choice and responsibility.

So not doing handsprings over RFKJr's food policing. Unless it ends up leading to more info.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2024 04:13 PM (1m82a)

62 Europe is no longer a fun country to travel in, but I will say the food is amazingly better.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 20, 2024 04:14 PM (lTGtQ)

63 >>>55 I asked this on an earlier thread, but what the heck does "natural flavor" mean?

I don't know but I think it means natural flavors like spices and maybe beef juice or vinegar and stuff like that which they are not by law required to disclose because they're in small quantities, they're natural things we've always eaten, and giving a list would reveal their Trade Secret recipes.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:14 PM (KRtlO)

64 It's the inverse of truthiness... falsiness.

Posted by: Mishdog at November 20, 2024 04:14 PM (pb+U0)

65 "'As you see, the ingredient list is just completely identical, except the US product contains formaldehyde, cyanide, and nearly undetectable levels of saxitoxin.'"

Is that bad?

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2024 04:14 PM (fV+MH)

66 No Yellow.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at November 20, 2024 04:14 PM (PiwSw)

67 Leave the glass shards in there. It's part of the CC experience.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (aD39U)
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Cap'n Crunch was designed to tear up the palate and make it tough so it could withstand spicy food better.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 20, 2024 04:14 PM (tT6L1)

68 Captian Crunch teaches patience. Only fools rush in.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (Z8Yh2)

69 And if I remember correctly the chemicals in the American Fruit Loops mess very specifically with the reproductive systems of developing children and teenagers.

Weird that only the U.S. version of the North America cereal would have those types of designed chemical included.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (dNhyB)

70 Anybody else remember the absolute mockery here, before Covid, about Jenny McCarthy and her nut-shit questions and she had no education about vaccines ?

I do.

Funny how the narrative shifts, when it's "your guy". JFK Jr sounds like a raging Dem ... back in the Clinton Era. Probably why he was on the short list to run the EPA under Obama.

Posted by: Good For the Goose at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (ciU4n)

71 It’s the same thing for items like Pedialyte, ( sic) the liquid stuff used to put electrolytes back into babies and youth’s systems when they’re sick and convalescing that doesn’t have certain sugars but it contains the same dyes. So many things have been poisoned when people and parents are trying to find and use “healthy “ alternatives.

Posted by: Suspicious Gorn at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (y8fSl)

72 I am actually all for cleaning up the food suppy, I think corn syrup can't be good.
Posted by: Skip

I can tell you that removing corn syrup from your diet will do more to remove cholesterol than a daily statin.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (lTGtQ)

73
I went through the Kellogg plant in Battle Creek as a kid in school in the 60's. At the end of the tour we got Fruit Loops on vanilla ice cream.

My classmates and I agreed we would work there for free, forever.

Posted by: Auspex at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (j4U/Z)

74
Cap'n Crunch was designed to tear up the palate and make it tough so it could withstand spicy food better.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 20, 2024 04:14 PM (tT6L1)

It was designed to create massive callouses in the mouth to prevent the need for flavors ever again.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (Zz0t1)

75 Maybe we should grow our own food … except Gov. Witchymer banned the sale of vegetable seeds to combat C19.
Posted by: Adriane the Fruit Pie Chart of the Month Club Critic . . . at November 20, 2024 04:05 PM

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Did it work?

Posted by: Ebenezer Scrooge at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (t1H1P)

76 I see that at Walmart. One day when the ebt cards got loaded there was a line for the mart carts. Half a dozen people sitting in the front of the store waiting for one of the 8 electric fat carts they have and the lady at the door was telling them they would have to wait and they were not happy.

My dear mother had polyneuropathy and could barely walk ten feet. She needed those carts to go grocery shopping. I used to get so angry at these bloated, sagging sacks of fat who would take the carts.

Yes, I get it, you can't walk very far either BUT YOU CAN FIX THAT. Lose some freaking weight you disgusting pustule. Leave the carts for my 80-something crippled mother damn you!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (RsS92)

77 I went to Germany, Austria and Czech Rep in June. They eat tons of food 3 big meals per day and none of them are fat.

I was walking around in the grocery store a few days ago and noticed that I was one of a very few people in the store that wasn't morbidly obese.

Many such cases. Maybe it's something else besides the chemicals and processing and whatever. Could be air quality has an impact, or ghosts, don't care.

We need a real investigation of the chemicals and processing and whatever. If they're innocent/benign, and there are other major culprits, fine, let's identify and tackle those. (Maybe it's one or two super-badd ones and the rest are fine, I don't know.)

But this is an *obvious* place to start. It's a solid lead, and if you don't follow any leads, you don't get anywhere.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (1Idb6)

78 Was Fruit Loops the one that made the milk colored? I remember that, just which cereal it was.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (1m82a)

79 What is the Canadian equivalent of the FDA?

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (v6JzV)

80 >>>Anybody else remember the absolute mockery here, before Covid, about Jenny McCarthy and her nut-shit questions and she had no education about vaccines ?
I do.

yeah I do and then we had a vaccination forced on us that caused a lot of injuries so we're looking into it more. What's your point? You one of the Heroes who makes up his mind at age 17 and never changes it or considers contrary evidence?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (KRtlO)

81 You guys gotta get me out of here! There's this guy Nasty Nate who wants my fruit loops, and everyone here likes fresh fruit loops! Then The Squirrel Master came out of left field and told me I'm his bitch!

Posted by: Kenny at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (5MA0f)

82 No Yellow.
Posted by: Hunter Biden
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What are you, a commie or something?

Posted by: van Gogh at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (XeU6L)

83 They're not called Froot Loops in French in Canada because in French-Canadian culture froot loops are werewolves that attack homosexuals.

Fact.

BTW, Brave browser's spellchecker offers Footloose as a correction for FrootLoops.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (hovnC)

84 I'm all for eliminating these chemicals.

But we probably need to have a come-to-Jesus talk about American cereals in general. They're trash, and no one should be eating them. It basically is the breakfast equivalent of a bowl full of Doritos.

Posted by: Are we buying Greenland or not? at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (zuGjS)

85 BHT is an antioxidant that stops fats from becoming rancid. It is also used in cosmetics. While there are a few conflicting studies, the majority indicate this does build up in our system and is cancer tumor enhancing. Enough questions out there, I don’t think ingesting or absorbing this is a great idea.

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (pZEOD)

86 Anybody else remember the absolute mockery here, before Covid, about Jenny McCarthy and her nut-shit questions and she had no education about vaccines ?

Her views and those of RFKJr are roughly the same. - NYT Fact Check.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (aD39U)

87 I take my hat off to Honeycomb. That is good eating.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (jFCkp)

88 I think natural flavor is similar to how cherry juice contains a mixture of other juices, too, because just cherry juice wouldn't really be that good to most people who weren't going to make white trash wine out of it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (dNhyB)

89 Have you seen the crap that is in yogurts? It should be healthy, but my goodness...they are right, in Europe there will be like four ingredients for the twenty we have in ours.

Posted by: Mishdog at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (pb+U0)

90 Tracy Beanz has a good thread about ICAN suing the CDC to force them to either prove their claim that vaccines DO NOT CAUSE autism or stop claiming it.

Initially, ICAN submitted a FOIA to disclose all of the studies relied on to come to the conclusion that several specific vaccines do not cause autism. CDC failed to respond.

ICAN sued them. CDC provided studies. All but one was completely non-responsive to the question. The one that studied DTaP in babies actually found an association between DTaP and autism. Associations are not proof of causation, but that's not the assignment. The assignment is to prove the claim they boldly make on the website that vaccines do not cause autism.

The court forced CDC to remove the language from their website. BUT, and this part is amazing, a week later NewsGuard started harassing the CDC to put back the language. CDC then ADDED BACK the language the court told them to remove.

http://tiny.cc/xvdwzz

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (Odg76)

91 Also what is in our bread and pasta here that makes so bloated but never have that feeling eating bread, pasta etc in Europe.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (EmT/E)

92 It was designed to create massive callouses in the mouth to prevent the need for flavors ever again.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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And yet, two teenage boys could easily down a box of Cap'n Crunch in a single sitting.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (tT6L1)

93 Yellow #5 is a pretty common thing for people to have allergies to.

Posted by: XTC at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (UnA8+)

94 Goto snack getting home from school..bowl of captain crunch-dry.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (/6GbT)

95 49
Huge fat people were complaining because they had to wait for one of the carts to spend their ebt card money because they are so fat they can't walk 20 feet without blowing a lung.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (QNSds)

Now do airports.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (N39Ws)

96 BHT is an antioxidant that stops fats from becoming rancid. It is also used in cosmetics. While there are a few conflicting studies, the majority indicate this does build up in our system and is cancer tumor enhancing. Enough questions out there, I don’t think ingesting or absorbing this is a great idea.
Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (pZEOD)

There are also suggestions that it reduces colon cancer so, I guess the jury is out.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (aD39U)

97 Captian Crunch teaches patience. Only fools rush in.

Yeah if you wait like 5 minutes it turns into yellow slime.

Not a fan (to put it mildly) of guvamint bans, prohibitions, micro-management, and nannying. Big fan of information disclosure and individual choice and responsibility.

Right, I agree completely. The last thing the FDA needs is more power. The last thing the government needs is to ad another nine foot stack of regulations. But there is a real problem.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (RsS92)

98
Yep, I am changing my mind about Big Food. I used to be one that was against all this. Why, it's silly to think a corporation would intentionally put something bad in a product, right? That would be bad business....

Now, I have matured you might say.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (w6EFb)

99 Important point:

What's worse, is that the NYT "explanation" sounds like it was written by an AI that was asked to explain why they are the same.

I doubt a human would have written anything so coherently stupid.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (Feaow)

100 It basically is the breakfast equivalent of a bowl full of Doritos.
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You don't put sugar on Doritos.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (jFCkp)

101 The Canadian version might be a bit more natural but it's still overpriced nutrition free garbage really. It's a bowl of sugar for breakfast.

Posted by: fozzy at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (7PM4P)

102 yeah I do and then we had a vaccination forced on us that caused a lot of injuries so we're looking into it more. What's your point? You one of the Heroes who makes up his mind at age 17 and never changes it or considers contrary evidence?
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (KRtlO)

Everyone knows The Horde is of one mindset and NEVER EVER changes it..........Ever. Under no circumstance. We're more closed minded than Trigglypuff at a Binary Ben campus discussion.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (Zz0t1)

103 1 We are blessed with idiots for opponents.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024 04:01 PM (2UnvF)

That would be cool except we have a representative form of government and the people being represented have no idea how to tell truth from lies.

Posted by: Emmie at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (e7ATA)

104 Deli meat too is a mess of artificial ingredients. We...uh...got off of big meat...phrasing...in 2020 and now make all our lunch meat at home.

Posted by: Mishdog at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (pb+U0)

105 Okay that's a parody list of ingredients but it's True In Spirit.

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AKA Fake but Accurate.

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (hDu2Y)

106 I asked this on an earlier thread, but what the heck does "natural flavor" mean?

I don't know but I think it means natural flavors like spices and maybe beef juice or vinegar and stuff like that which they are not by law required to disclose because they're in small quantities, they're natural things we've always eaten, and giving a list would reveal their Trade Secret recipes.

Posted by: ace

Thanks, Ace. That makes sense.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:19 PM (v6JzV)

107 I have to run, but I'll ask this and then check back later:

I've heard that MSG, which got demonized in the 80s and 90s, is getting a comeback. That it's truly not as bad for you as they say. Any truth one way or the other? Because as a kid I was taught it was poison, but others say differently.

https://www.tiktok.com/@mrnigelng/video/
6866076249102617861

https://www.tiktok.com/@mrnigelng/video/
6891294741833485570?lang=en

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndkx1bPNCUM

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 20, 2024 04:19 PM (wcIbG)

108 But we probably need to have a come-to-Jesus talk about American cereals in general. They're trash, and no one should be eating them. It basically is the breakfast equivalent of a bowl full of Doritos.

Related: orange juice is very high in sugar and its place as part of a "standard" American breakfast is due to massive amounts of advertising.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 20, 2024 04:19 PM (1Idb6)

109
Now, I have matured you might say.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM (w6EFb)
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Funny how we're listening to leftists while leftists refuse to listen to anything we might have to say.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 20, 2024 04:19 PM (tT6L1)

110 >>>BHT is an antioxidant that stops fats from becoming rancid. It is also used in cosmetics. While there are a few conflicting studies, the majority indicate this does build up in our system and is cancer tumor enhancing. Enough questions out there, I don’t think ingesting or absorbing this is a great idea.

so a lot of these chemicals (and plastics) are worrying because the body has no process for removing them and excreting them. It literally doesn't know what the hell they are. There's just nothing in the Genetic Instruction Book telling them what to do with "organic" chemicals that are artificial. They look sorta like bodily chemicals, but aren't.

And so it just stores them in our fat cells, forever. And what happens then? Who knows. We're running an uncontrolled 50 year experiment on the entire country to find out.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:19 PM (KRtlO)

111

My manly essence, is pure in every way!

Or was, until I cut it off....

Posted by: Tranni Tilapiatwat at November 20, 2024 04:20 PM (5zNge)

112 There are differences in tastes between items in the US and items in Canada.

Certain candy bars come to mind.

I used to like Ritz crackers. After I moved to Montreal, I bought a box. I started snacking on the crackers and was horrified to find out they were weird. They weren't stale, they just tasted wrong. I thought I'd bought a box from a bad batch or something. But after a couple more times trying Ritz crackers, I discovered Canadian Ritz crackers suck. I don't know what the difference is, but they're not right.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 04:20 PM (Odg76)

113 Anybody else remember the absolute mockery here, before Covid, about Jenny McCarthy and her nut-shit questions and she had no education about vaccines ?
I do.

And she was wrong and goofy about it. The autism claims etc, without merit, they were based on bad science.

BUT... we are giving kids more vaccinations than they need, and some vaccinations don't appear to be of any value. So I think we need a good, nuanced perspective on this. We should look at each one and decide on its individula merits, not go all in on one side or another.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:20 PM (RsS92)

114 Corn syrup is unloaded from some trucks with a three inch pump. I have stories of what happens when the tank is overfilled. It's not good. Not good at all.

Picture a corn syrup sprinkler running at about 30 gallons a minute...IN a building.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at November 20, 2024 04:20 PM (Z8Yh2)

115 The Harris campaign went to painstaking lengths to avoid engaging in identity politics. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 20, 2024 04:01 PM (L/fGl)

Same way Obama "took the high road". They had the media do the dirty work for them.

Posted by: ... at November 20, 2024 04:20 PM (jMfJm)

116 >>>I've heard that MSG, which got demonized in the 80s and 90s, is getting a comeback. That it's truly not as bad for you as they say. Any truth one way or the other? Because as a kid I was taught it was poison, but others say differently.

that's what I understand. I bought some MSG to add to food. I always forget to add it, though. Except if I try making (bad) Chinese food.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:20 PM (KRtlO)

117 Yep, I am changing my mind about Big Food. I used to be one that was against all this. Why, it's silly to think a corporation would intentionally put something bad in a product, right? That would be bad business....

Now, I have matured you might say.

Posted by: publius

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Same here. Right around the time when I realized that the food and pharmas and government were working together.

It's clever in its own way. I hate and despise what the fascists have done to America and her children, but still clever.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:20 PM (dNhyB)

118 See this is the problem. You let the food Nazis in the door with this.

But it's for our own good. So it's ok when we do it.

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2024 04:21 PM (fV+MH)

119 Deli meat too is a mess of artificial ingredients. We...uh...got off of big meat...phrasing...in 2020 and now make all our lunch meat at home.
Posted by: Mishdog
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Nitrate and water injections in everything. Flavor and consistency gone.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2024 04:21 PM (XeU6L)

120 The whole Top 10 Shocking Stories list here without requiring an X account to view them all:

https://tinyurl.com/2tvbun2k
"Nitter" style

https://tinyurl.com/45j7499b
ThreadReader as an ordinary webpage

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 04:21 PM (hovnC)

121 I have trouble finding a sugar substitute that tastes ... right. I have tried a bunch but nothing really tastes the same.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:21 PM (aD39U)

122 ut we probably need to have a come-to-Jesus talk about American cereals in general. They're trash, and no one should be eating them. It basically is the breakfast equivalent of a bowl full of Doritos.

Related: orange juice is very high in sugar and its place as part of a "standard" American breakfast is due to massive amounts of advertising.

Posted by: Lance McCormick

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Have you had your sixteen servings of corn and bread today, citizen?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:21 PM (dNhyB)

123 First they came for Kaboom, and I said nothing..

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 20, 2024 04:21 PM (ewjUl)

124 I can't wait for RFKJ to reveal all the crap that's in Reesee's candies.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (v6JzV)

125 Anybody else remember the absolute mockery here, before Covid, about Jenny McCarthy and her nut-shit questions and she had no education about vaccines ?

I do.

Yeah. And if childhood vaccines caused autism, we'd all be autistic.

Because we ALL got them. Hell, I still have to little booklet the doctor gave my mom to record all of the vaccines I received.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (KdwTE)

126 Double post. We already did the fruit loops thread.

Posted by: ... at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (jMfJm)

127 Related: orange juice is very high in sugar and its place as part of a "standard" American breakfast is due to massive amounts of advertising.

Yeah, and you should be cautious with it (I cannot drink fruit juice for instance) but the sugars in orange juice and the sugars in your sugar bowl are NOT the same, and your body treats them differently. Fructose breaks down differently and slower than sucrose, for example.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (RsS92)

128 They're always after me lucky charms.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (LkLld)

129 I bet if you put those "natural colorings derived from carrots and blueberries" on the list by their chemical names, they'd sound just as bad.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (hB7mE)

130 "Natural flavor" means bacon spice.

Posted by: Kamala Harris at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (PiwSw)

131 Yeah. And if childhood vaccines caused autism, we'd all be autistic.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (aD39U)

132 Have you had your sixteen servings of corn and bread today, citizen?

Carbs are the devil. Tasty tasty devils.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (1Idb6)

133 I have trouble finding a sugar substitute that tastes ... right. I have tried a bunch but nothing really tastes the same.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Have you tried stevia? It's pretty good.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (v6JzV)

134 French-Canadian culture has werewolves that attack homosexualists? (presumably fictional)

Well that's something.

I do miss poutine after an afternoon on the trails at Mt St Anne in 20 degrees. And bowls of cafe au lait and amazing croissants at that little bar on the medieval looking street near the Chateau Frontenac. But I didn't know about the werewolves.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (1m82a)

135 I have trouble finding a sugar substitute that tastes ... right. I have tried a bunch but nothing really tastes the same.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Monk Fruit. It's all natural. Wife uses it to help control her diabetes.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (KdwTE)

136 Wait. Canadian Fruit Loops use carrots instead of artificial coloring? Keep that shit out of my chili.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (wBaIH)

137 Deli meat too is a mess of artificial ingredients. We...uh...got off of big meat...phrasing...in 2020 and now make all our lunch meat at home.
Posted by: Mishdog
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Nitrate and water injections in everything. Flavor and consistency gone.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2024 04:21 PM (XeU6L)

Thanks . I just had a Jersey Mikes Deluxe Club.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (D6PGr)

138 >>> See this is the problem. You let the food Nazis in the door with this.
But it's for our own good. So it's ok when we do it.

you can eat whatever you want. I'd like some real scientific studies done on these chemicals to learn if they're actually safe or not.

And the "Food Nazis" are already here. They cooked up the fake Food Pyramid and the Four Major Food Groups that America adopted as gospel and then soared to new heights in morbid obesity and chronic disease.

A lot can be done via simple education and good information. It's not always a libertarian fight against bans.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (KRtlO)

139 116 >>>I've heard that MSG, which got demonized in the 80s and 90s, is getting a comeback. That it's truly not as bad for you as they say. Any truth one way or the other? Because as a kid I was taught it was poison, but others say differently.

It's poison to me.. Instant stomach "troubles" if you know what I mean

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (IyPmt)

140 89 Have you seen the crap that is in yogurts? It should be healthy, but my goodness...they are right, in Europe there will be like four ingredients for the twenty we have in ours.
Posted by: Mishdo

Ummm -- not exactly.

it's easy enough to find yogurts in the US that have nothing but natural ingredients.

I'm looking at the US-made ypgurt in my fridge right now, and it has two ingredients: "Organic pasteurized whole milk, live yogurt cultures (L. bulgaricus)." That's it.

Similarly, it's easy to find artificial ingredients in European yogurts, if you look for low-grade brands aimed at kinds is discount markets, etc.

It's all about the labellng. Honest and revelatory labeling allows consumers to make their choiecs.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (pMi6S)

141 Think about the implications of my comment 99 above.

I am saying that the NYT "fact" checker looked at the information and said, this looks bad.

So they went to an AI and asked "write a justification for why RFK is wrong and these two ingredient lists are basically the same."
I am saying
- the NYT uses AI to write articles.
- the NYT fact checkers feed the AI the conclusion they want, instead of looking at information to reach conclusion
- the NYT thinks their readers are such drone that they just need cute wording and they will accept any lie.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (Feaow)

142 Frankly, I think if everyone looked at FDA recommendations from the last 30 years and did the opposite, we would all be healthier.

Things you should have: red meat, eggs, lard, animal fat.

Things to avoid: seed oils, polyunsaturated fats, anything that takes more than 12 letters to spell.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (lTGtQ)

143 We are blessed with idiots for opponents.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024

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Or, "We are fortunate in that our adversaries are so rarely super-geniuses."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (J2vNu)

144 RFk may be higher on the “do not confirm list” for the Regime than anyone but Gaetz.

RFK is going to go after enormous financial interests if he gets confirmed.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (7PziG)

145 As Rogan asks, rhetorically -- what is your target, New York Times? Zero credibility? Is very low credibility you already have weighing you down and you want to shed it like it's extra fat around the middle?

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"We aspire to be the 'Old Gray Trigglypuff.'"

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (hDu2Y)

146 I've heard that MSG, which got demonized in the 80s and 90s, is getting a comeback. That it's truly not as bad for you as they say. Any truth one way or the other? Because as a kid I was taught it was poison, but others say differently.

I blame Uncle Roger

But seriously, MSG is not the dread poison it was called. Many people who claimed allergy to it were... not truthful. But it does give some people headaches, so its worth considering at least if you have guests.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (RsS92)

147 yeah I do and then we had a vaccination forced on us that caused a lot of injuries so we're looking into it more. What's your point? You one of the Heroes who makes up his mind at age 17 and never changes it or considers contrary evidence?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:16 PM (KRtlO)

I'm no hero. I'm an accidental contrarian. Its not a choice - just the spot I end up on more often than not.

So as we're all giving JFK Jr the High-Five ... and Hell, I'm no friend of Big Anything at this point, tear 'em all a new ass ... I'd warn that if it goes to far ? We'll get the new Patriot Food Act. And the original Patriot Act turned out to be a stinking pile of shit.

As some said. Including me. Shouted down just like crazy stupid Jenny McCarthy ... and her nutty fucking idea that maybe all these mandatory shots were making some kids retarded.

Posted by: Good For the Goose at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (ciU4n)

148 104 Deli meat too is a mess of artificial ingredients. We...uh...got off of big meat...phrasing...in 2020 and now make all our lunch meat at home.

When my wife was pregnant with our first, she had a very level-headed OB when it came to "do this, don't do that, eat this, don't eat that". Very moderate - "Going to Germany? Enjoy a beer. Not seven...". As a result, the few things she told her to avoid, she did. The only one of those things I remember - pre-packaged deli meat.

Posted by: MD_Mike at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (cJWvF)

149 kinds is discount markets = kids in discount markets

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (pMi6S)

150 Its sheer hell shopping, sugar is in everything. And its hidden, they have like 18 varieties of sugar they put in stuff, adding it up more and more and more until its nasty. Who the hell needs sugar in mayonnaise? Why are you adding sugar to tomato sauce?? Why are you sneaking it into everything?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Was a consequence of the low fat movement, they replaced it with sugar to maintain edibility. Most dietary science promoted by Gubmint since the 60's including LBJ putting the chloresterol bad label on eggs is due to an unholy alliance between Big Agri and Big Food producers.

Posted by: whig at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (ctrM5)

151 Have you tried stevia? It's pretty good.
Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (v6JzV)

Yeah, well stevia squeezings anyway. I haven't tried growing it in the herb garden but I am thinking about it.

It's somewhat close but not sugar.

Honestly I like brown sugar most of all.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (aD39U)

152 Yeah, and you should be cautious with it (I cannot drink fruit juice for instance) but the sugars in orange juice and the sugars in your sugar bowl are NOT the same, and your body treats them differently. Fructose breaks down differently and slower than sucrose, for example.

Sure, but the Association for Florida's Orange Growers (or whatever it's called) was very successful.

"Sugar" being a catch-all like "metal" doesn't help.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (1Idb6)

153 afaik, HFCS ("corn syrup"?) is "roughly" the same as other sugars. I mean roughly, as in "almost" exactly. Sugars and carbs are laced with addictive chemicals so "I bet you can't eat just one" type products push the obesity envelope higher.

Of course carbs and sugars are not in themselves the basis of a real food "pyramid". The lockdowns did big harm to kids, but they've been making kids fat and unhealthy for decades.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (Cus5s)

154 I was walking around in the grocery store a few days ago and noticed that I was one of a very few people in the store that wasn't morbidly obese.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 20, 2024

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You ought to visit the Walmarts in my area. Talk about blowholes and being "able to see directly into the eye of the great fish."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (J2vNu)

155
Yeah. And if childhood vaccines caused autism, we'd all be autistic.

Because we ALL got them. Hell, I still have to little booklet the doctor gave my mom to record all of the vaccines I received.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (KdwTE)

In fairness, the infant and childhood vaccines have changed pretty significantly over the years and the autism rates have spiked pretty dramatically over that time.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (Zz0t1)

156 I don't drink Coke often but do hope they put sugar in it vs fructose or whatever it is. Sometimes I just need a real Coke and some Advil to clean out the pipes. It may be poison, but I figure once a month is not too bad. It is too late for me anyway because every summer for a decade or so I rode my bike, with brother and friends, through DDT fog.

I do wish we had the flour of Europe as their bread is better.

I think Kennedy is ok. I hope he is going to be ok.

I am a little more concerned about the pick of Dr. Oz. I find him very strange, and the Oprah scat connection worries me a bit.

I remind myself to trust Trump.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (gi+MR)

157 If nothing else, I'd like to see food companies have to explain things.

"You see, we used red dye number 42 because it reduced costs and increased share price by a penny and we all got our bonuses."

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (2UnvF)

158 >>>129 I bet if you put those "natural colorings derived from carrots and blueberries" on the list by their chemical names, they'd sound just as bad.

a lot of believers here in Better Living Through Experimental Food Science Chemistry.

I have the primitive, apparently "Food Nazi" view that the substances man ate for a million years are probably safe, whereas substances created in the 1950s which man has only eaten for 75 years may or may not be safe and probably require some testing.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (KRtlO)

159 I've heard that MSG, which got demonized in the 80s and 90s, is getting a comeback. That it's truly not as bad for you as they say. Any truth one way or the other? Because as a kid I was taught it was poison, but others say differently.
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MSG - monosodium glutamate - is the sodium salt of glutamic acid*, a non-essential amino acid that is produced biosynthetically in the body and is commonly found in proteins. Why anyone ever thought it was harmful surpasseth all understanding.

* which has a pKa of ~5, and so in the body is deprotonated (physiological pH ~7.4), where its counterion is most likely ... sodium.

So ... BFD.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (YqDXo)

160 Education good causing producers to change ingredients as sales decline.

Banning ingredients for our own good is a slippery slope .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (D6PGr)

161 110;
And so it just stores them in our fat cells, forever. And what happens then? Who knows. We're running an uncontrolled 50 year experiment on the entire country to find out.

Posted by: ace at November

Note with the artificial dyes and the claim about the EU banning them but we don’t - the EU allows a few of these dyes that we have banned, and then banned some we allow. The dye studies are not clean, in that it’s hard to pin point if the dye is causing hyperactivity or something else. Is it just in highly sensitive people? Does it really cause cancer? We truly don’t know, there is nothing conclusive or heavily leaning toward bad like BHT. But is it so important to have vibrant yellow fruit loops from a petroleum based product over slightly less bright fruit loops made from carrots?

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (pZEOD)

162 So Trump puts a consumer protectionist in charge of the FDA and the left immediately, reflexively counterattacks, though they've claimed the high ground in this arena for as long as I can remember. This is even more amazing than their bloodthirsty mongering for war in Europe.

They've become a Rivals message board, and brother, nothing is more retarded than that.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (t1H1P)

163 Monk Fruit. It's all natural. Wife uses it to help control her diabetes.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (KdwTE)

That is one that I have not tried.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (aD39U)

164 Honestly I like brown sugar most of all.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Brown sugar is nothing more than white cane sugar and molasses.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (KdwTE)

165 "President Trump claimed the sky was blue in a speech yesterday"

NYT fact checkers: Ackschually, the sky is only sometimes blue, and it was probably cloudy when he made this remark, see how he lies!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (B9Prs)

166 Frankly, I think if everyone looked at FDA recommendations from the last 30 years and did the opposite, we would all be healthier.

Things you should have: red meat, eggs, lard, animal fat.

Things to avoid: seed oils, polyunsaturated fats, anything that takes more than 12 letters to spell.

How about eggs? They're healthy, no wait they're not, no, uh, the whites are fine, except maybe over a certain amount, unless they're good again...

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (1Idb6)

167 Ace, thanks for letting Doof do two ONTs. He's been doing a great job so far.

I hope he's getting the dental plan.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (v6JzV)

168 Yellow Dye #5 gives you Old Yellow Stain.

Posted by: Captain Queeg at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (63Dwl)

169 New cereal name, Fake Chex

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (/U5Yz)

170
It's poison to me.. Instant stomach "troubles" if you know what I mean
Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2024 04:23 PM (IyPmt)

There are plenty of people that are allergic to MSG.

That being said, the Red Serendipity Salt at Chicken Express has MSG and it's the shizznit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:26 PM (Zz0t1)

171 > It's poison to me.. Instant stomach "troubles" if you know what I mean

MSG is in a lot of things. Do you have trouble with natural MSG, or only when you eat food where people add it?

Carrots, onions, cabbage, potatoes, tomatoes, mushrooms, shrimp, parmesan, lots of yeast, etc.

It's also added to canned soups, canned veggies, deli meats, hot dogs, beef jerky, etc.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (Odg76)

172 So as we're all giving JFK Jr the High-Five ... and Hell, I'm no friend of Big Anything at this point, tear 'em all a new ass ... I'd warn that if it goes to far ? We'll get the new Patriot Food Act. And the original Patriot Act turned out to be a stinking pile of shit.

As some said. Including me. Shouted down just like crazy stupid Jenny McCarthy ... and her nutty fucking idea that maybe all these mandatory shots were making some kids retarded.
Posted by: Good For the Goose a
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Most of our intel spying problems came from FISA which was in 1978. Patriot Act took that and poured gasoline on it but virtue was already lost post Cold War--see Carnivore project for example and the Clinton Admin wanting legalized backdoor access to all US chips built in via Clipper project.

Posted by: whig at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (ctrM5)

173 The deer I just took is organic and has nothing in it, except tasty tasty tenderloin, steaks...etc.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (ewjUl)

174 >I've heard that MSG, which got demonized in the 80s and 90s, is getting a comeback. That it's truly not as bad for you as they say. Any truth one way or the other? Because as a kid I was taught it was poison, but others say differently.

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Yeah, that's a longstanding myth. I remember hearing it, too. It's a naturally occuring amino acid IIRC (tomatoes have it), and one of the ways to add one of the distinct flavors humans can taste to different foods. Umami? Something like that?

But the addition of it makes certain food taste better, same as salt.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (dNhyB)

175 Brown sugar is nothing more than white cane sugar and molasses.

And yet the Rolling Stones felt compelled to write a song about it.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (lUFok)

176 That is one that I have not tried.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

It's usually in the baking aisle. Comes in a jar and packets.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (KdwTE)

177
They must oppose Everyfuckingthing!

About a year failed "magazine" Rolling Stone came out PRO SEED OILS because they saw a few "right wingers," a.k.a. not woke left wingers, on Twitter making a case against Seed Oils.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (Kqybv)

178 it's easy enough to find yogurts in the US that have nothing but natural ingredients.

Yeah I get Oikos Triple Zero greek yogurt, its a really simple ingredient list and low sugar. You have to avoid the milkshake versions. Its like granola bars, most of them are just rustic candy bars. But I found a company called Junkless that has seven ingredients, 6 grams total sugar, no corn syrup, no seed oils, no artificial anything.

Its just a matter of looking closely at the ingredients and nutrition information. Its all there to see.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (RsS92)

179 Shit. Guess I need to purge all the toxins from my body.

*reaches for bourbon*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Part of the E-4 Mafia at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (Ad8y9)

180 9 NYT: Rat poison is perfectly safe except for the strychnine.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024 04:03 PM (2UnvF)
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Well strychnine is a natural product from the Strychnos nux-vomica tree!
As a chemist I object to the bandying of the qualifier natural. Many chemicals in nature are toxic or otherwise bad for you. Caffeine is great but will probably kill a cat.

Posted by: Ciampino - it's natural and not a chemical at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (i0xsb)

181 I will be amused when in ten years all of these preservatives are removed from our processed food, and people start complaining that everything goes bad way too fast.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (hB7mE)

182
And yet the Rolling Stones felt compelled to write a song about it.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at November 20, 2024 04:27 PM (lUFok)

I thought that song was about bangin' half black broads.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (Zz0t1)

183 I like Grape Nuts. You can eat them I guess, but I load them into 20 gage shot shells for small game.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (pohLc)

184 I don't drink Coke often but do hope they put sugar in it vs fructose or whatever it is.
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Then for the love of God do not eat any fruit. It'll kill you!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (YqDXo)

185 I have the primitive, apparently "Food Nazi" view that the substances man ate for a million years are probably safe, whereas substances created in the 1950s which man has only eaten for 75 years may or may not be safe and probably require some testing.

Posted by: ace

I'm like the vegetarian version of you -- only go with all-natural foods, with no chemicals of any kind (or as few as can be achieved).

The counter-argument is strong, though: Preservatives in food is what has allowed humankind to feed to globe, since food now can last much longer. Before, everything spoiled almost immediately, and mass food-distribution wasn't possible.

It's a tough call.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (pMi6S)

186 But seriously, MSG is not the dread poison it was called. Many people who claimed allergy to it were... not truthful. But it does give some people headaches, so its worth considering at least if you have guests.

Sounds like lactose and gluten intolerances-- they're real and some people have major major issues. A lot of people don't but think they do. A lot more are totally fine with them.

"Harmful to some" is not always "harmful to all." But it's worth looking into.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (1Idb6)

187 >>>Yeah, and you should be cautious with it (I cannot drink fruit juice for instance) but the sugars in orange juice and the sugars in your sugar bowl are NOT the same, and your body treats them differently. Fructose breaks down differently and slower than sucrose, for example.

this is a misunderstanding. Almost all sweet things have both sucrose "cane sugar" and fructose "fruit sugar." (and sometimes lactose or galactose, in dairy products)

Cane contains both, fruit contains both. These are poorly-chosen names which have misled the public for a hundred years. It's just not true that fruits contain fruit sugar. They contain an almost perfect 50/50 blend of both fructose and sucrose.

Google's AI:

Sugars in Fruits and Vegetables In fact, almost all fruits and vegetables naturally contain sucrose, as well as glucose and fructose, in varying amounts. For example, bananas, sweet peas and peaches contain primarily sucrose, whereas glucose and fructose are the main sugars in pears and tomatoes.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (KRtlO)

188 I have a theory on autism and high intelligences inbreeding. I don't know any really dumb people whose children are genuinely autistic.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (aD39U)

189 I long ago stopped having cereal with milk for breakfast, even before my recent brush with pre-diabetes. Even without sugar, the bran flake cereals still has a lot of carbs you don't need.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (J2vNu)

190
So the cucks at Rolling Stone fagazine are like seed oils are great for you, don't listen to these nazis on Twitter.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (Kqybv)

191 that's what I understand. I bought some MSG to add to food. I always forget to add it, though. Except if I try making (bad) Chinese food.
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Isn't that "Accent"? And is it still made??

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 04:29 PM (hovnC)

192 Well strychnine is a natural product from the Strychnos nux-vomica tree!
As a chemist I object to the bandying of the qualifier natural. Many chemicals in nature are toxic or otherwise bad for you. Caffeine is great but will probably kill a cat.

Posted by: Ciampino - it's natural and not a chemical at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (i0xsb)
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Same here.

Botulinum toxin and ricin are both "natural," too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:29 PM (YqDXo)

193 >> I have the primitive, apparently "Food Nazi" view that the substances man ate for a million years are probably safe, whereas substances created in the 1950s which man has only eaten for 75 years may or may not be safe and probably require some testing.

Amen. A-fucking-men. That's exactly where I am on this. So "purple #5", may or may not be bad. Don't really know. It obviously doesn't kill you instantly, that would be obvious. But, what are the long term effects? Don't know that either, cause it takes a long time to figure that out.

There is no RDA for "Purple #5". Don't need it, doesn't do any good. So, maybe don't put it in the food.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 20, 2024 04:29 PM (w6EFb)

194 Childhood vaccines and vaccination schedules changed drastically. 40 years ago it was maybe 10 , now it's 30 or something, with bad crap added to good vaccines like MMR. It started in the 90s I think.

Posted by: runner at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (V13WU)

195 The only one of those things I remember - pre-packaged deli meat.
Posted by: MD_Mike at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (cJWvF)

Bingo! Trace amounts of listeria can make it to the baby. You gotta cook that sh*t. My wife had to avoid jamon in Spain one of the times we went there. Its just not the same when it is cooked.

Posted by: Mishdog at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (pb+U0)

196 I have the primitive, apparently "Food Nazi" view that the substances man ate for a million years are probably safe, whereas substances created in the 1950s which man has only eaten for 75 years may or may not be safe and probably require some testing.

There was a debate or something years ago when then-Gov. Mike Huckabee said something like "if it didn't exist 100 years ago, it's not a food."

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (1Idb6)

197 > Many people who claimed allergy to it were... not truthful.

That's the part I remember. They studied people who claimed they had all sorts of terrible ailments due to msg by giving them food and asking them to identify if it had msg or not. Their accuracy was not good.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (Odg76)

198 it's easy enough to find yogurts in the US that have nothing but natural ingredients.

Siggi's and La Fermiere are great.

La Fermiere is probably best yogurt I've ever eaten, but it's at least twice as expensive as the next most expensive brand because it comes in a ceramic cup.

Happily lids are available that fit the cups, so you could use them to make your own yogurt!

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (hB7mE)

199 we don't want/need RFK to ban anything

we just need him to get the feds to stop promoting bad shit (seed oils, carbs) and stop banning good shit (raw milk, beef, etc)

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (V6W16)

200 How about eggs? They're healthy, no wait they're not, no, uh, the whites are fine, except maybe over a certain amount, unless they're good again...

Posted by: Lance McCormick

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Eggs are gifts from God, and likely could be used to argue the evidence of God.

A near-perfect food, don't expire for months, the animals that provide them require little to no care, and the body uses something like 90%+ of the food.

It really is incredible to think about.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (dNhyB)

201 Brown sugar is nothing more than white cane sugar and molasses.

Posted by: rickb223

I toured a cane sugar plant years ago. They bring in the raw sugar and leave it on the floor in the warehouse. Then, they use front loaders to put it into a boil pot, and then pipe it into a charcoal tower to filter using gravity. As the sugar percolates through the tower, it becomes lighter in color as the melted roaches are filtered out. Brown sugar is the least filtered.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (lTGtQ)

202 Rain water and grain alcohol. Why poison your precious bodily fluids with poison?

Posted by: Gen. Ripper at November 20, 2024 04:30 PM (/U5Yz)

203 "And the "Food Nazis" are already here. They cooked up the fake Food Pyramid and the Four Major Food Groups that America adopted as gospel and then soared to new heights in morbid obesity and chronic disease.
"

People are addicted to food. What can I do about it?

People eat beige food all day. How can I stop them?

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2024 04:31 PM (fV+MH)

204 Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (KRtlO)
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Now there's no need to confuse the issue with facts.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:31 PM (YqDXo)

205 >I've heard that MSG, which got demonized in the 80s and 90s, is getting a comeback.

Cilantro. The little bit of spice in a bowl of dip for your chips. That shit eats me up.

Yet - I can eat a half-pint of pickled Jalapenos. No problem. Feel great after. Go figure.

Posted by: Good For the Goose at November 20, 2024 04:31 PM (ciU4n)

206 I bet if you put those "natural colorings derived from carrots and blueberries" on the list by their chemical names, they'd sound just as bad.

Yeah I saw an ad decades ago where they had the chemical names for all the different things in an orange and it was this yard-long, terrifying looking list. And they're right, its scary looking but not necessarily menacing in that form.

But it was from like Dow or Monsanto or something and, you're not convincing me that what you do is wholesome despite the clever marketing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:31 PM (RsS92)

207 I don't know but I think it means natural flavors like spices and maybe beef juice or vinegar and stuff like that which they are not by law required to disclose because they're in small quantities,

Celery juice that they use as natural nitrates to replace the artificial nitrates in "no nitrate lunchmeat"

Sucks to be you if you're allergic to celery.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2024 04:31 PM (hB7mE)

208 ace, totally agree. I am a big fan of information and education, that's what I'd like to see flourish.

BTW, California knows this comment section to cause cancer, and to be a hazard to pregnant women.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2024 04:31 PM (1m82a)

209 I used to listen to a talk-radio guy name Gerry Doyle (now, sadly, deceased). He once interviewed some guy who had written a book about sugar. The guy who was being interviewed said that sugar cane is actually pretty good for you because of all the other good nutrients that it contains. It's the refining process, which gets rid of all those other nutrients, that makes sugar so bad for you.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:31 PM (v6JzV)

210 I do wonder if High Fructose Corn Syrup in every fkkng thing isn't half the reason for diabetes

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2024 04:32 PM (fwDg9)

211 People like RFK Jr. would rather people starve in Africa than to distribute GMO food.

Okay maybe not RFK Jr now but a lot of his former liberal friends.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 04:32 PM (D6PGr)

212 ace, totally agree. I am a big fan of information and education, that's what I'd like to see flourish.

BTW, California knows this comment section to cause cancer, and to be a hazard to pregnant women.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2024 04:31 PM (1m82a)

Employees MUST wash their hand before returning to the blog.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:32 PM (Zz0t1)

213 Isn't that "Accent"? And is it still made??
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 04:29 PM (hovnC)
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Accent was a meat tenderizer that primarily used pineapple enzymes. Leave it on a steak too long and you get a pre-digested steak.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 20, 2024 04:32 PM (z0QHk)

214 198 it's easy enough to find yogurts in the US that have nothing but natural ingredients.

Siggi's and La Fermiere are great.

La Fermiere is probably best yogurt I've ever eaten, but it's at least twice as expensive as the next most expensive brand because it comes in a ceramic cup.

Happily lids are available that fit the cups, so you could use them to make your own yogurt!
Posted by: FeatherBlade

Here in California I go with Nancy's, Graziers, Fage, Strauss -- plenty of brands. Zero artificial ingredients in any of them.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (pMi6S)

215 Celery juice that they use as natural nitrates to replace the artificial nitrates in "no nitrate lunchmeat"

Sucks to be you if you're allergic to celery.
Posted by: FeatherBlade

People are allergic to celery? I would've thought that celery would be one of the most innocuous foods around.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (v6JzV)

216 I suspect the increase in birth defects and behavorial problems has a lot more to do with women being convinced to have babies after they've aged out than reactions to vaccines.

Although both together is very likely a problem. Geriatric births putting babies at risk AND dumping chemicals into their little bodies.

Oh well. It's not a discussion America can have.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (dNhyB)

217 I'm not in favor of banning, but it would help motivate Big Food to offer convenience foods that don't have so many troublesome ingredients.

Posted by: Emmie at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (rCvyH)

218 In his video when Kennedy said that tartrazine comes from coal waste byproducts I thought "Yea, that doesn't sound good at all. I don't care what they're doing to it."

There are some things the Europeans are better at.
Regulating food and pharmaceuticals is one of them.

And they must be better at avoiding regulatory capture.
Because our bureaucrats can't seem to resist the high-paying industry job offer after they leave government.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (6ydKt)

219 >>Yeah. And if childhood vaccines caused autism, we'd all be autistic.

There was a tetanus vaccine in the late 1990s through 2011 that actually listed autism as an "adverse reaction" during post approval use.

https://tinyurl.com/8d8m323u

I don't know what's causing the huge increase in cases of childhood autism but I do know the relationship between government and pharma is corrupt.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (LkLld)

220 Not on topic but any word on the PA Senate race ? Have the Dems managed to steal it ?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (IyPmt)

221 I've grown, dried and consumed Stevia. It tastes like sweet hay.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (wBaIH)

222 Employees MUST wash their hand before returning to the blog.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:32 PM (Zz0t1)

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*sigh*

FINE. Be right back.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (DRSnL)

223 I have a theory on autism and high intelligences inbreeding. I don't know any really dumb people whose children are genuinely autistic.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (aD39U)

Winner. With smart comes crazy. How much do you want.

That's absolutely true - and I've said it in meat-space for a long time. The trick - when you get to cash the good checks - is when you're high-functioning.

Posted by: Good For the Goose at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (ciU4n)

224 Yeah. And if childhood vaccines caused autism, we'd all be autistic.

Let me say up front: I don't think vaccines cause autism. I don't see any evidence of this.

But people have got the science of this all wrong.

Vaccines could cause autism without everyone being autistic. Same way that not all smokers get lung cancer. That's just how elevated risk plays out. There's few things that always cause "x" harm.

No study has found a correlation between autism and vaccines to date. But that's somewhat less meaningful than people think. The absence of a link isn't really the same thing as disproof of a link (which is why scientific studies that fail to find a correlation always say that, rather than saying they disproved a correlation).

HRT and breast cancer is a good example. Studies showed no correlation between the two for years. Good studies. Then a very big study did show one. That's not causation in and of itself. My point is only that studies can fail to detect a correlation for a variety of reasons, until one day they do.

Posted by: Are we buying Greenland or not? at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (zuGjS)

225 I do wonder if High Fructose Corn Syrup in every fkkng thing isn't half the reason for diabetes
Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2024 04:32 PM (fwDg9)

Prolly. Regular sugar is better for you than that shit.

Corn should be 2 things. On the cob and in whiskey. Not made into syrup, fuel or anything else. The rest can go to livestock feed.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (Zz0t1)

226 >>>People are addicted to food. What can I do about it?
People eat beige food all day. How can I stop them?

No you're right, we shouldn't test chemicals for safety before adding them to all of our food because you have some libertarian windmills you want to tilt with. It's our RIGHT to eat stuff which may or may not be poisonous, without being informed if it is or is not poisonous.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (KRtlO)

227 *sigh*

FINE. Be right back.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 20, 2024 04:33 PM (DRSnL)

You're a COB?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (Zz0t1)

228 I have the primitive, apparently "Food Nazi" view that the substances man ate for a million years are probably safe, whereas substances created in the 1950s which man has only eaten for 75 years may or may not be safe and probably require some testing.
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The most toxic thing we're all exposed to 24/7?

Oxygen.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (YqDXo)

229 No you're right, we shouldn't test chemicals for safety before adding them to all of our food because you have some libertarian windmills you want to tilt with. It's our RIGHT to eat stuff which may or may not be poisonous, without being informed if it is or is not poisonous.
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (KRtlO)

HEAR HEAR!!!!

Posted by: The FDA, CDC and Big Pharma at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (Zz0t1)

230 To me, Stevia taste like aluminum foil. It may be natural and have zero calories, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (pMi6S)

231 Eggs are gifts from God, and likely could be used to argue the evidence of God.

Bacon. That would be bacon 🥓.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (KdwTE)

232 I want to know wtf they put in Lucky Charms green marshmallows. The few times I'd indulge myself in a box things would go south. A few hours after consumption I would take the biggest green marshmallow shit and I mean as green as Luckys clothes on the box!
Never happened when I was a kid.

Posted by: JROD at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (IlL6s)

233 You're a COB?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (Zz0t1)

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Nope. Totally missed the "employee" part. My b.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (DRSnL)

234 Cher's Drano cocktails are to die for.

Posted by: Bette Middler at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (/U5Yz)

235 The most toxic thing we're all exposed to 24/7?

Oxygen.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Dihydrogen monoxide.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (KdwTE)

236 Golden Rice is GMO, yes?

I want to write a story where, sensing the coming collapse of civilization, scientists from an Atlantean type culture gene spliced common plants to make drugs.

Hence aspirin, quinine, penicillin etc.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (aD39U)

237 In fairness, the infant and childhood vaccines have changed pretty significantly over the years and the autism rates have spiked pretty dramatically over that time.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:25 PM (Zz0t1)

So has the average age of parents. The age of the sperm seems to be a factor, according to one study I saw. Ask yourself this: When was the last time you saw a kid genuinely "on the spectrum" with teenage parents?

Posted by: pookysgirl is a black pot and she knows it at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (dtlDP)

238 =====

Nope. Totally missed the "employee" part. My b.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (DRSnL)

I was really hoping Doof would see it and shower or something......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (Zz0t1)

239 Cilantro. The little bit of spice in a bowl of dip for your chips. That shit eats me up.

Its great stuff mixed into things. Kinda nasty on its own. BUT there are genetic differences. Some people think it tastes soapy.

That's the big danger in making broad, sweeping statements about health and food and how we should eat. Each of us has to build the best diet for our bodies and our metabolism. I can't safely eat chocolate, coffee, cheese, sugar, there's a whole long list of stuff. But it would be wrong to base everyone's diet on ME.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (RsS92)

240 It's all about the labellng. Honest and revelatory labeling allows consumers to make their choiecs.
Posted by: zombie
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I would tend to agree except basically it is an information problem. Company A wants to add some chemical to their food but conducts the food safety tests themselves and hands it off to the FDA who has coincidentally people who just left Company A to work in government for a stint before going back.

Back when I did empirical work, the last stuff I did was event count history models for sorting out causal relationships of relatively rare events over time. And various versions of time series analysis.

Simply put, many effects only show up when lagged against the primary variable of interest. In other words, they have a delayed reaction and this is particularly true when dealing with medical science. Like social science, medical science relies on either experimental/control group a/b using small numbers in those tests, animal test analogues, or they rely on large statistical studies including self reporting by participants. Medical research is as plagued as social science research with bad data and less than optimal research design models.

Posted by: whig at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (ctrM5)

241 >>> we just need him to get the feds to stop promoting bad shit (seed oils, carbs) and stop banning good shit (raw milk, beef, etc)

And stop picking winners and losers, and hounding the losers out of academia and research. After Ike's heart attack, the government listened to bad science that it was fat, not sugar, that would kill you. We've been Guinea pigs for this theory ever since and we're getting sicker.

The junk science of global warming, fueled by money and special interest groups, is just as bad as the junk science of food, fueled by money and special interest groups. They use the same playbook.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLtQLDptI1g

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (wcIbG)

242 I'm pretty sure sugar existed 100 years ago.

I'll have to check on that. Yeah checks out.

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (fV+MH)

243 *Removes red and yellow M&Ms from bag*

That oughta do it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024 04:37 PM (2UnvF)

244 I want to know wtf they put in Lucky Charms green marshmallows

People. Soylent Green are people.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:37 PM (KdwTE)

245 167 Ace, thanks for letting Doof do two ONTs. He's been doing a great job so far.
Posted by: Bulg167

Concur. All of us feel a promotion to the Politburo has been richly earned.

Posted by: Auspex at November 20, 2024 04:37 PM (j4U/Z)

246 Try Brown Cow Farms yogurt. Sweetend with grape juice or maple syrup. Unhomoginized. Cream floats to the top.

Pro tip: The correct way to eat fruit on the bottom yogurt is to dig down the side. Mixing is for fags.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at November 20, 2024 04:37 PM (Z8Yh2)

247 >>>I'm not in favor of banning, but it would help motivate Big Food to offer convenience foods that don't have so many troublesome ingredients.

i'm not in favor of banning, but anyone who trusts the FDA should read Taubes' book on Big Sugar. Big Sugar paid off the government, and Hahvahd scientists, to pretend that sugar had nothing to do with the explosion of obesity or even with the explosion of TOOTH DECAY that followed after Americans began eating ten times the amount of sugar they used to.

They just lied. Gave it a clean bill of health.

But, because they did have to explain increasing obesity and heart disease, they just said "Red meat did it."

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:37 PM (KRtlO)

248 The FDA studies on the long-term effects of all these "legal" food additives is in the file "Thing You Can Totally Trust Us on (Because the Royalty Checks Cleared).

Right next to all the Covid vaccine studies.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 20, 2024 04:37 PM (ohohZ)

249 I don't want to be that guy, but *I* actually coined the term "fake check" in the aftermath of the Kamala/Trump debate.

Carry on, everyone.

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (pZ0Mr)

250 *Removes red and yellow M&Ms from bag*

That oughta do it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

*eats only the green m&m's.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (KdwTE)

251 Sugars in Fruits and Vegetables In fact, almost all fruits and vegetables naturally contain sucrose, as well as glucose and fructose, in varying amounts. For example, bananas, sweet peas and peaches contain primarily sucrose, whereas glucose and fructose are the main sugars in pears and tomatoes.
Posted by: ace at

Ay yi yi. Really? This is what is returned? Sugars occurring naturally when eaten in whole foods such as fruits and veggies, lactose in milk, etc are generally nothing to worry about, assuming you are healthy and not diabetic and in that case you should follow your doctor’s advice.

Carbs are not bad, either. You need them. How much you need depends on what you do or don’t do, but whole grains, fruits, veggies, etc are energy, have fiber, help biomes in the gut.

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (pZEOD)

252 Plain, full fat yogurt usually doesn't have weird additives. Consume with raw honey from a beekeepers farm stand.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (wBaIH)

253 Why do B12 tablets taste like fruit?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) wonders at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (aD39U)

254 >>>Concur. All of us feel a promotion to the Politburo has been richly earned.

yes, Doof is doing great. I'm glad you're enjoying him.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (KRtlO)

255 243 *Removes red and yellow M&Ms from bag*

That oughta do it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Also have to throw away the greens, the oranges and the browns, all of which have Yellow Dye in them.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (pMi6S)

256 Maybe I'll try this monk fruit sweetener stuff.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (J2vNu)

257 In fairness, the infant and childhood vaccines have changed pretty significantly over the years and the autism rates have spiked pretty dramatically over that time.

Posted by: Sponge

That, plus combining multiple doses into one injection. Although, for the genuine cases of autism I have seen, the high fever associated with the vaccine may have been the cause, not neccesarily the ingredients of the vaccine.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (lTGtQ)

258 I do wonder if High Fructose Corn Syrup in every fkkng thing isn't half the reason for diabetes
Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2024 04:32 PM (fwDg9)

Prolly. Regular sugar is better for you than that shit.
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Sucrose is glucose-fructose combined through a glycosidic linkage. Which on exposure to dilute acid (e.g., in the stomach) hydrolyzes to yield glucose and fructose. Classic freshman lab experiment (following the hydrolysis in dilute HCl by measuring the optical rotation of the solution; an idiot-proof experiment).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (YqDXo)

259 That's the big danger in making broad, sweeping statements about health and food and how we should eat. Each of us has to build the best diet for our bodies and our metabolism. I can't safely eat chocolate, coffee, cheese, sugar, there's a whole long list of stuff. But it would be wrong to base everyone's diet on ME.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Leaving aside food preferences, sensitivities, there is little reason to pump in coal tar derivatives to make your product prettier over your competitors.

Many synthetic materials currently put into foods simply are not well researched as to how they affect general health, let alone specific individuals.

Posted by: whig at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (ctrM5)

260 I never knew hundereds of food additives used making processed foods in the US are banned in most countries. WTH? Thank you RFK Jr for bringing this issue to the forefront.
Maybe we have an answer as to why today's kids have so many allergies to foods. Peanuts,ect..

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (C3I8K)

261 >>>*Removes red and yellow M&Ms from bag*

don't forget the green ones

Posted by: The Rolling Stones at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (KRtlO)

262 It's our RIGHT to eat stuff which may or may not be poisonous, without being informed if it is or is not poisonous.
Posted by: ace

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My problem is that I no longer trust "science" to test these ingredients.

(A lot of this started when the EU went into over-regulation mode and decided that everything had to be proven safe (no longer GRAS - generally recognized as safe) and that things like GMO and BHT were gonna be banned as a way to exclude USA products. It all became political and science followed the money. )

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (Feaow)

263 there is cane sugar, and beet sugar , and then there is that brown, gooey stuff they add to everything

Posted by: runner at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (V13WU)

264
Well, now I'm suspicious of the HQ-

Is Ace using red pixels derived from raspberries like the Canadians or is he poisoning our eyes with Red Light #64 derived from Chinese nuclear waste and used diapers?

And what about the Gray Boxes, huh? We use those every day. What about the Gray Boxes?!?!

Is Ace throwing poison gray light loaded with Pixelene Hydrate #9, derived from toad vomit and residue of used engine oil, and throwing it right in our eyes?

Our eyes, people!!!!

Wake up!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (eDfFs)

265 When was the last time you saw a kid genuinely "on the spectrum" with teenage parents?

In the last week. Yes, parents are older. And yes, the idea of "Little Johnny is SPECIAL rather than just needed an ass whipping" is also strong.

But come on. Look at a history book. Old, reasonably well off 50+ year old men have been siring through 30+ year old women for centuries.

Something has changed.

Posted by: Good For the Goose at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (ciU4n)

266 I don't know what's causing the huge increase in cases of childhood autism but I do know the relationship between government and pharma is corrupt.

I think a large part of the great increase in diagnosed cases of autism is expanding the definition of autism to include what was previously considered part of the normal variety of humanity. Not every kid has to be and act the same or they need to have drugs pumped into them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (RsS92)

267
No you're right, we shouldn't test chemicals for safety before adding them to all of our food because you have some libertarian windmills you want to tilt with. It's our RIGHT to eat stuff which may or may not be poisonous, without being informed if it is or is not poisonous.
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:34 PM (KRtl

Who is not testing and approving food additive chemicals ? Who here said they are against that?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (D6PGr)

268 Kaboom!

Posted by: Brian at November 20, 2024 04:40 PM (iK8a4)

269 246 Try Brown Cow Farms yogurt. Sweetend with grape juice or maple syrup. Unhomoginized. Cream floats to the top.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen

Totally concur. Brown Cow gets ten out of ten stars.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:40 PM (pMi6S)

270 So has the average age of parents. The age of the sperm seems to be a factor, according to one study I saw. Ask yourself this: When was the last time you saw a kid genuinely "on the spectrum" with teenage parents?

Posted by: pookysgirl

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I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that study was designed and pursued specifically hoping to avoid the very obvious. Men can reproduce until they die. While there might be some change in quality - and certainly amount - over the life of a male, I seriously doubt the quality of sperm degrades significantly enough to affect reproduction to any great degree, unlike the biological clock of the mother.

You'll notice there are not multi-trillion dollar industries attempting to convince men to freeze their sperm.

There's a good reason for that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:40 PM (dNhyB)

271 @244 rick223-I'm not joking. I eat Lucky Charms and then a few hours later I'm shitting out a solid green leprechaun!

Posted by: JROD at November 20, 2024 04:40 PM (IlL6s)

272 Then for the love of God do not eat any fruit. It'll kill you!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:28 PM (YqDXo)

I am going to die at some point, and I hope not soon. But I do eat fruit and have somehow preserved myself on my summer dose of DDT fog. Mosquitos would still sadly bite me. I never drank Diet Coke or anything with artifical sweetners. So my kidneys still function.

I do see, when losing weight, the sugar/carb addiction that is common. When I eliminate those I lose without trying after about 3wks.

On the bright side, adipose is better than botox for my face! I would look like a sad bloodhound if I used the poplar diarrhea injections. Being a former supermodel and all that goes with it, I have to maintain my face. This is what I tell myself, like Catherine Deneuve, I chose my face over my arse at 45yrs.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 04:40 PM (gi+MR)

273 Donna thete is a deadline for this recount but wish I was up on it better as my county is in on the steal

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (fwDg9)

274 i'm not in favor of banning, but anyone who trusts the FDA should read Taubes' book on Big Sugar.
__________________

Taubes is a straight-up charlatan. Kevin Trudeau shakes his head in disgust. (Is Trudeau still in prison?)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (YqDXo)

275 You'll notice there are not multi-trillion dollar industries attempting to convince men to freeze their sperm.

There's a good reason for that.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:40 PM (dNhyB)

*nods* Shrinkage.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (aD39U)

276 Brown sugar is nothing more than white cane sugar and molasses.
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Its very good.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (jFCkp)

277 RFK jr is a zealot and he overdoes stuff, but he's not entirely wrong and its definitely time to start looking at this stuff a bit more critically.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:11 PM (RsS92)

I hope every one of Trump's approved nominees and appointees spends every day for their first several months repeatedly asking the subordinates who brief them two questions. Why? Why not? I believe it will be a very illuminating exercise.

Posted by: Gref at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (aBgBM)

278 OMG this is amazing!

ABC's lawyers forced Sunny Hostin to read a statement on air about Matt Gaetz. Hostin's statement looks like a hostage video with someone pointing a gun at her just off screen.

http://tiny.cc/bydwzz

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (Odg76)

279 *Removes red and yellow M&Ms from bag*

That oughta do it.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 20, 2024 04:37 PM

Fuck it, I'll eat them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (ewjUl)

280 rick223-I'm not joking. I eat Lucky Charms and then a few hours later I'm shitting out a solid green leprechaun!
Posted by: JROD

I know it's not funny. But the way you described it is f'n hilarious. 😂😂😂

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (KdwTE)

281 >>>Eggs are gifts from God, and likely could be used to argue the evidence of God.
Bacon. That would be bacon 🥓.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (KdwTE)
*******
Nope, dogs. But we love them and they love eggs and bacon and us so yes.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (TYBlN)

282 The closest thing I have to a food allergy is my body does not process corn very well.

Oh, and truffles nauseate me. So I don't eat truffles.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Part of the E-4 Mafia at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (Ad8y9)

283 don't forget the green ones
Posted by: The Rolling Stones at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (KRtlO)

I thought that was Van Halen and their way to make sure the parties that be actually read the contract.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (Zz0t1)

284 In summary, a diet made up of whole, minimally processed food is a great idea. Avoid added sugars - but splurge sometimes because you should. Key is sometimes. Also, exercise. Move your dang body somehow, someway, every day.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (pZEOD)

285 >>My problem is that I no longer trust "science" to test these ingredients.

That pretty much sums up RFK's position. I've heard him speak on the topic a few times and I think the country is going to be very surprised when they hear the relationship between the FDA and other agencies and pharma and big food manufacturers.

It's not so much a revolving door as not door at all.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (LkLld)

286 The Harris campaign went to painstaking lengths to avoid engaging in identity politics. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 20, 2024 04:01 PM (L/fGl)

Same way Obama "took the high road". They had the media do the dirty work for them.
Posted by: ... at November 20, 2024 04:20 PM (jMfJm)

They certainly didn't want us to know Joe and Kamala's identity very well.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (n7h9X)

287
I think a large part of the great increase in diagnosed cases of autism is expanding the definition of autism to include what was previously considered part of the normal variety of humanity. Not every kid has to be and act the same or they need to have drugs pumped into them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at

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This one is ridiculously easy.

Schools get money for autistic kids. Big money. Schools don't get money for kids with texture aversions or other sensory disorders.

So guess what we're going to call your otherwise functioning child with texture aversions and sensory disorders?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (dNhyB)

288 Plain, full fat yogurt usually doesn't have weird additives. Consume with raw honey from a beekeepers farm stand.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 20, 2024 04:38 PM (wBaIH)

That's essentially what we do. The Instapot can make a half gallon of yogurt at a time. But as far as a handy snack for kids in the lunch box no matter the price...it's almost impossible. Gogurts {shudder}

Posted by: Mishdog at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (pb+U0)

289 242 I'm pretty sure sugar existed 100 years ago.

I'll have to check on that. Yeah checks out.

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (fV+MH)

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Sugar wasn't readily available and an ingredient in so many things like it is now.

Sweets were a treat most people couldn't afford to eat on a regular basis.

Your average U.S. citizen would go into shock if they had to give up sugary food and drinks on a daily basis.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (6ydKt)

290 Deli meat too is a mess of artificial ingredients. We...uh...got off of big meat...phrasing...in 2020 and now make all our lunch meat at home.

Posted by: Mishdog at November 20, 2024 04:18 PM

Deli meat has a massive salt content. People eat at subway because they think it is "healthy". It is no such thing. A typical subway sandwich has about 2,000 mg's of salt. That's insane for one sandwich.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (QNSds)

291 I don't know that I have every had truffles.

I probably should rectify that.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (aD39U)

292 Another point --

The USA has shitified everything. I see none of that in Japan. I think a big reason is that Japan is full of Japanese, while the USA is filled with 3rd worlders who are have no standard of quality. In Japan, the market is for people who grew up with the product and do not want changing recipes, cheaper ingredients, etc. Their model is quality and innovation.

But USA companies have decided that their model is growth, and the "newcomers" fill that model.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (Feaow)

293 Many synthetic materials currently put into foods simply are not well researched as to how they affect general health, let alone specific individuals.

I agree, although I would give one caveat: just because something came from coal tar doesn't necessarily mean its bad for you. Extracting a chemical from something unpleasant doesn't make the chemical evil by association.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (RsS92)

294 > there is that brown, gooey stuff they add to everything

I'm afraid to ask, but I must. What?

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (Odg76)

295 there is cane sugar, and beet sugar
_________________

Cane sugar = beet sugar = sucrose.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (YqDXo)

296 To me, Stevia taste like aluminum foil. It may be natural and have zero calories, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 0

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It's either that or Truvia that I call "vile stuff."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (J2vNu)

297 The court forced CDC to remove the language from their website. BUT, and this part is amazing, a week later NewsGuard started harassing the CDC to put back the language. CDC then ADDED BACK the language the court told them to remove.

http://tiny.cc/xvdwzz
Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 04:17 PM (Odg76)

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All I can say is my 18 month old son was perfectly normal in development until getting the MMR vaccine. A couple of days after the shot he got an extremely high fever, passed out with a seizure and almost died. He basically went back to square one in development but then had autistic behaviors (echolalia, stimmy, etc) as he grew up.

Did the vaccine cause the autism? Well I'm 100% certain if he didn't get the shot he wouldn't have had the fever. I'm 99% certain the fever and resulting seizure messed up the neural pathways in his brain. Otherwise why would he have gone back to square one in development?

We have 4 kids and he was the only one that had that issue. So obviously there are cofactors involved. The first place I would look is manufacturing variances in the MMR vaccine. The second place is probably genetic variations.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (yOVyt)

298 The Harris campaign went to painstaking lengths to avoid engaging in identity politics. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 20, 2024 04:01 PM (L/fGl)

If you say a lie enough on the internet, it eventually becomes truth.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (Zz0t1)

299 I love to cook so we pretty much just eat whole unprocessed foods. I do make a huge exception for potato chips, though! We love potato chips. now I'm getting paranoid and thinking I should stick with organic vegetables and stuff as well. But they are definitely a lot more expensive and that whole label of organic isn't necessarily legit.
There's another story if you want to get totally grossed out on CFP. Get a load of what goes on in that boarshead deli meat factory down in Virginia. Time to start roasting your own chickens and turkeys for your lunch meats kids !

Posted by: keena at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (Ijbq0)

300 Accept for the Zyclon B everything in German body wash in late 1944 was perfectly suited for a modern body wash. The Zyclon B is an insecticide added for the delousing of the inmates who had been doing unsanitary activities - such as hiding in attics and writing diaries.

These are all government approved and certified additives.

NY Times, Nov 19,1944.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (Da7Vv)

301 Dihydrogen monoxide.
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That shit kills hundreds of people a year. Usually, get this, kids in summertime. And the government does SFA about it.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (hovnC)

302 The thing is, cutting these highly-processed foods out of your diet is a lot like cutting the TV cable.

You have a hard time imagining how you'll do it but once you do, you don't know why you thought it'd be so hard to do without it.

When you start seeing how much modern society tries to addict you to things that are really unhealthy for you, mentally and physically, it's kinda gross.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 20, 2024 04:43 PM (ohohZ)

303 Deli meat has a massive salt content. People eat at subway because they think it is "healthy". It is no such thing. A typical subway sandwich has about 2,000 mg's of salt. That's insane for one sandwich.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (QNSds)
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So drink a glass of water and pee out any excess salt.

That's what kidneys are for.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (YqDXo)

304 yes, Doof is doing great. I'm glad you're enjoying him.
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Are we no longer doing phrasing??

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (hovnC)

305 >>> I'm pretty sure sugar existed 100 years ago.
I'll have to check on that. Yeah checks out.

So you should do some reading about this. It is interesting, and the facts will serve better than uninformed ideological priors.

Sugar used to be a very expensive commodity, because it was only grown in the tropics or subtropics.

During the Napoleonic wars, when France was surrounded and embargoed, Napoleon paid chemists to figure out how to turn beet sugar into something like table sugar.

This worked, and over the next hundred years sugar went from something that the aristocracy enjoyed, and commoners only had occasionally, to something so plentiful it was poured into everything.

It used to be that poor people had no cavities, and rich people had lots of cavities. Because poor people could not afford sugar.

Over the course of the 20th century people went from eating very little sugar to eating 60-80 pounds of it per year.

So yes, people's sugar consumption went up about 20x over the course of a century. A century in which people got fatter and fatter, and had more and more heart disease.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (KRtlO)

306 Of all the hits RFK gets, and he deserves many hits, going against him on behalf of worthless breakfast candy like Froot Loops is colossally stupid, and makes the MSM look like massive corpo shills.
Where's Chomsky when we need him?

Posted by: gKWVE at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (yYROg)

307 Sugar wasn't readily available and an ingredient in so many things like it is now.
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I read recently that the average ten year old consumes more sugar than an adult would've consumed over the course of his life 100 years ago.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (dNhyB)

308 Wow, those long range Brit Missiles the 'Ukes' just shot into Russia? Yeah, they said it was a military target...

Uh, it was a Large Estate belonging to Putin... which does house a small Command Center, just like the White House, or Camp David.

Yeah, they shot at Putin, not the Russian Army.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (QAkQ3)

309 I think that is the yellow dye that makes mouse skin transparent.

https://tinyurl.com/4bc5s8r5

Posted by: krennik at November 20, 2024 04:45 PM (T0tPD)

310 Gov. Mike Huckabee said something like "if it didn't exist 100 years ago, it's not a food."
Posted by: Lance McCormick

*looks up date of invention/discovery of aniline (coal tar) dyes*

1856, according to Atlas Obscura.

It's a food!

And to be fair, apparently it replaced such natural and healthy food colorants as copper sulfate and lead chromate.

So, as with anything, you can pick your poison.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2024 04:45 PM (hB7mE)

311 >>I think a large part of the great increase in diagnosed cases of autism is expanding the definition of autism to include what was previously considered part of the normal variety of humanity. Not every kid has to be and act the same or they need to have drugs pumped into them.

I'm sure that's a part of it but it's just the other side of the coin.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2024 04:45 PM (LkLld)

312 239 Cilantro. The little bit of spice in a bowl of dip for your chips. That shit eats me up.

Its great stuff mixed into things. Kinda nasty on its own. BUT there are genetic differences. Some people think it tastes soapy.

No, I don't "think" it tastes like metallic soap — it literally "does" taste like that to me. It's why I disliked Mexican food from the first time I tried it until I had something without cilantro in it and discovered that Mexican food can be awesome without it.

Dang it. Now I want a dozen street tacos...

Posted by: goozer at November 20, 2024 04:45 PM (aWAkn)

313 Schools get money for autistic kids. Big money. Schools don't get money for kids with texture aversions or other sensory disorders.

AND... its easier to control a classroom of sedated kids. That energetic boy who shifts from topic to topic quickly because he has a creative and curious mind? ADHD: DRUG HIM. That girl who has really keen hearing and is sensitive to loud noises? AUTISTIC: DRUG HER.

We need the Rolling Stones to do a song about drugged up kids like Mother's Little Helper.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:45 PM (RsS92)

314 The Times regrets the error in the Nov 19, 1944 story.

The proper spelling of the insecticide is Zyklon B.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 20, 2024 04:45 PM (Da7Vv)

315 The big missing piece to health is LARD.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:46 PM (jFCkp)

316 >>> 230 To me, Stevia taste like aluminum foil. It may be natural and have zero calories, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:35 PM (pMi6S)

Yes, there's a bitterness to it! I use monk fruit for most stuff. And use swerve when it's ok if there is a slight cooling or minty taste. (They have a great powdered sugar substitute I use in sugar free PB balls.)

I've realized from my years of drinking Powerade zeros that I have an addiction to sucralose. Trying to wean myself from it with other drink sweeteners that are like Mio. But something about it just hits right, when I take a big swig of sucralose in Powerade zero or the generic flavor squirt bottles I buy at Walmart. Sigh.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 20, 2024 04:46 PM (wcIbG)

317 We were in Italy this summer and all the food was fresh and wholesome. It was truly wonderful.

Posted by: keena at November 20, 2024 04:46 PM (Ijbq0)

318 Leftist "Fact Check" = Propaganda.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 20, 2024 04:46 PM (O7YUW)

319 It used to be that poor people had no cavities, and rich people had lots of cavities. Because poor people could not afford sugar.

You rang?

Posted by: Gout at November 20, 2024 04:46 PM (yYROg)

320 Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (pZEOD)

*timidly raises hand*

What's your take on Zingers vs. Twinkies?

*sits down*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Part of the E-4 Mafia at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (Ad8y9)

321 1900 religion: Christianity
2000 religion: idiotic food nonsense

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (YqDXo)

322 Have you tried stevia? It's pretty good.
Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:22 PM (v6JzV)

Yeah, well stevia squeezings anyway. I haven't tried growing it in the herb garden but I am thinking about it.

It's somewhat close but not sugar.

Honestly I like brown sugar most of all.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:24 PM (aD39U)

I have a jug of agave nectar in the fridge from when I was trying to reduce sugar. Then I just started drinking ice water a lot. But i remember the taste as not as bad as "diet drink" stuff.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (n7h9X)

323 280 rick223-I'm not joking. I eat Lucky Charms and then a few hours later I'm shitting out a solid green leprechaun!
Posted by: JROD

I know it's not funny. But the way you described it is f'n hilarious. 😂😂😂
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:41 PM (KdwTE)

I laffed as well. Threads like these are usually good for real life stories that are humourous

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (/6GbT)

324 Brown sugar is nothing more than white cane sugar and molasses.

I think there’s one brand out there that is still true brown sugar. C&H maybe?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (olroh)

325
Speaking of red pixels...

Did you hear about this?

Internet Goblins on social media suddenly (and collectively) realized that their use of a "red heart" smiley (emoji) is "promoting" MAGA & Republicans! Yeah, because of the color red. Yeah, that's their rationale.

So they ALL made the very important decision to only use blue heart smileys, and anyone who uses red hearts is definitely MAGA...and white supremacist.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (ymtGe)

326 @280 rickb223-LMAO, yeah and don't get me started on Frosted Mini Wheats. Between them and Lucky Charms.......

Posted by: JROD at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (IlL6s)

327 Non-POC population in the US have about the same average life span as Western Europe,

And I don’t trust Europes’s stat keeping anyway.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (D6PGr)

328
We have 4 kids and he was the only one that had that issue. So obviously there are cofactors involved. The first place I would look is manufacturing variances in the MMR vaccine. The second place is probably genetic variations.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken

Same - but my daughter was 3. Hit every milestone, spoke early. Then all of a sudden, emotional regulation issues, gait issues, dexterity issues, and fun learning disabilities. It was like a sudden brain trauma event.

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (pZEOD)

329 263 there is cane sugar, and beet sugar , and then there is that brown, gooey stuff they add to everything
Posted by: runner at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (V13WU)

*nods sagely* Poutine.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper, eh at November 20, 2024 04:48 PM (PiwSw)

330 1900 religion: Christianity
2000 religion: idiotic food nonsense
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (YqDXo)

graham crackers and salisbury steaks were 1800s food fads / projects.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 04:48 PM (n7h9X)

331 Somebody pissed off Ace.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:48 PM (jFCkp)

332 Why are you adding sugar to tomato sauce??

Okay, so he's not a cook. Who wants to tell him?

Every damn one of you eats Heinz red-dyed sugar sauce instead of real ketchup. Most of you put it on hot dog sandwiches, too.
And you're willing to fight for it. This is a silly bitchfest.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at November 20, 2024 04:48 PM (zdLoL)

333 "Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin is urging Democrats to change their messaging to say that "Republicans want to kill your kids."

Posted by: Erebus- ex-Killer Whale at November 20, 2024 04:48 PM (elaR+)

334 No, I don't "think" it tastes like metallic soap — it literally "does" taste like that to me.

I apologize, I didn't mean to make it sound like people are faking it: it tastes like it tastes to you, that's how your receptors pick it up. Your perception is no less valid than mine. I think its interesting how people vary. I don't particularly care for chocolate except in certain blends (like cafe mocha), so I don't miss it. Some people love it like its a street drug. I read somewhere that some people metabolize chocolate differently so it gives similar chemicals to your brain as heroin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (RsS92)

335 est. Moonies. Scientologists. Flat Earth. Hunter’s Laptop. Queers. Vegetarians. Communists. Mahometans. Yeah plenty more where they came from. Satanists. Wicca.

Posted by: See? Nobody cares at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (QSrLX)

336 The closest thing I have to a food allergy is my body does not process corn very well.

As much as the Cilantro things wears me out ? Biscuits and Gravy - which can't be nutritional in any way - I process two biscuits, a generous portion of white gravy, some pepper - and I can work all the way to quitting time on that shit. Gut feels good all day.

As the man up-thread said ... its an individual thing.

Posted by: Good For the Goose at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (ciU4n)

337 320;

*timidly raises hand*

What's your take on Zingers vs. Twinkies?

*sits down*
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Part of the E-4 Mafia at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (Ad8y9)

No. Next question?

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (pZEOD)

338 55 I asked this on an earlier thread, but what the heck does "natural flavor" mean?

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:12 PM (v6JzV)

Well, snake venom is all natural, but I don't really want it in my Froot Loops.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (BW+Gb)

339 >>> 1900 religion: Christianity
2000 religion: idiotic food nonsense

why are men's testosterone levels dropping throughout the west?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)

340 Somebody pissed off Ace.
Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:48 PM (jFCkp)

Nah....he's just rolling.

He's pissed when he dedicates an entire threat to ripping you to shreds, then bans you, removing your entire existence from the blog like you were never born.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (Zz0t1)

341 I grew up in sugar beet country. Nothing wrong with it. Far better than friggin' corn syrup.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Part of the E-4 Mafia at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (Ad8y9)

342 I still think my comments above need more attention.

That bit was written by AI. This should be reported as a massive failure in AI use to write news articles.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (Feaow)

343
Uh, it was a Large Estate belonging to Putin... which does house a small Command Center, just like the White House, or Camp David.

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So an assassination attempt by the U.S.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (dNhyB)

344 *thread.

Not threat.

DAMN my brain sucks today.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (Zz0t1)

345 307 I read recently that the average ten year old consumes more sugar than an adult would've consumed over the course of his life 100 years ago.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (dNhyB)

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It wouldn't surprise me.
We are a sugar-high nation after all.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (6ydKt)

346 It used to be that poor people had no cavities, and rich people had lots of cavities. Because poor people could not afford sugar.
__________________

Totally not true.

Watch the movie "They Will Never Grow Old," and look at the teeth of the young soldiers. They're black with crud, and would doubtless lose those teeth if they survived the war.

Hell, look at a lot of modern-day Brits who have partially black teeth, regardless of socioeconomic status.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (YqDXo)

347 why are girls entering puberty four years earlier than they used to?

it's almost as if we're all eating a diet that promotes estrogen. May be some kind of "hormonal distruptors" are being mass-consumed by children for the first time in human history.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (KRtlO)

348 "Our "experts" are a shoddy, stupid lot,"

Hey now!

Posted by: A shoddy, stupid lot at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (vFG9F)

349 Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (pZEOD)

*timidly raises hand*

What's your take on Zingers vs. Twinkies?

*sits down*
Posted by: Pug Mahon

*Little Debbie and her cousin Big Deborah have entered the chat

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (KdwTE)

350 or even with the explosion of TOOTH DECAY that followed after Americans began eating ten times the amount of sugar they used to.

Posted by: ace

Most interesting fact I've learned this century:

Science has told us for hundreds of years that the average internal body temperature of a healthy adult human in 98.6 degree Fahrenheit.

And that seemed to be true...until recently.

Little reported anywhere is the growing "mystery" that in hospitals and doctors' offices around the world, healthy people are increasingly clocking in with 98.0 or 97.5 or even 97. Consistently.

Cross-checking with different thermometers doesn't fix the "problem."

A recent hypothesis to explain the issue is now gaining growing acceptance as the most likely explanation:

Better dental health, globally.

Since the dawn of the agricultural era, people have begun eating sugars, and tooth decay and gingivitis skyrocketed. For 5,000 years the AVERAGE human has has some kind of dental/gum issue. This inflammation is actually a minor infection. Infections cause a temperature rise.

Humankind has had a "fever" for millennia. Not any more. 97.5 is our real healthy temperature.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (pMi6S)

351 307 Sugar wasn't readily available and an ingredient in so many things like it is now.
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I read recently that the average ten year old consumes more sugar than an adult would've consumed over the course of his life 100 years ago.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (dNhyB)

I've tried to find numbers... but they are hidden...

Back when we all smoked, people were a lot thinner... so the question becomes, is the results of obesity a bigger killer, then Lung Cancer due to smoking was?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (QAkQ3)

352 307 Sugar wasn't readily available and an ingredient in so many things like it is now.
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I read recently that the average ten year old consumes more sugar than an adult would've consumed over the course of his life 100 years ago.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (dNhyB)

Growing up we were only allowed one soft drink a week, which was at my grandmother's. Where we spent every dang Saturday of our lives and lived feral. Only allowed inside with cousin gang if it was raining, cold, or someone was bleeding.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (gi+MR)

353 “Republicans want to kill your kids? Don’t look now,” said Margaret Sanger.

Posted by: See? Nobody cares at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (QSrLX)

354
Aaron Rupar@atrupar
The Harris campaign went to painstaking lengths to avoid engaging in identity politics. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

The very first thing the campaign did was invent "white dudes for harris."

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (ymtGe)

355 Move your dang body somehow, someway, every day.

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (pZEOD)

=====

Does dragging my ass to work, sitting at a desk all day, then dragging my ass home count?

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (DRSnL)

356 why are men's testosterone levels dropping throughout the west?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)
_______________

Liberalism?

Seriously, this begs the question.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (YqDXo)

357 >>>Watch the movie "They Will Never Grow Old," and look at the teeth of the young soldiers. They're black with crud, and would doubtless lose those teeth if they survived the war.

oh you watched a movie, I'm talking about book about the history of sugar and tooth decay.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (KRtlO)

358 why are men's testosterone levels dropping throughout the west?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)

I suspect a lack of exercise.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (aD39U)

359 Target had a terrible earnings report and cut its forecast for the full year. Target's stocks dropped over 21% today.

http://tiny.cc/5zdwzz

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (Odg76)

360 Okay, so he's not a cook. Who wants to tell him?

I absolutely am a cook and I know why people used to put sugar in tomato sauce. Because the older tomato varieties were very bitter and acidic. But they aren't any more and you don't need the sugar any more.

Every damn one of you eats Heinz red-dyed sugar sauce instead of real ketchup.

Have you ever actually read the ingredient list of ketchup? Its three ingredients: tomatoes, sugar, vinegar, onion powder. Heinz literally invented tomato based ketchup.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (RsS92)

361
I apologize, I didn't mean to make it sound like people are faking it: it tastes like it tastes to you, that's how your receptors pick it up. Your perception is no less valid than mine. I think its interesting how people vary. I don't particularly care for chocolate except in certain blends (like cafe mocha), so I don't miss it. Some people love it like its a street drug. I read somewhere that some people metabolize chocolate differently so it gives similar chemicals to your brain as heroin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at

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I suspect there is tremendous genetic variation in how people taste things, but most things are close enough that it's "good" or "bad" to most everyone. There are a few standouts like anise or cilantro that people can get behind and argue about, but I bet when it comes down to it we all have wildly varying taste perceptions.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (dNhyB)

362 They're magically delicious!

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (v0R5T)

363 Deli meat too is a mess of artificial ingredients. We...uh...got off of big meat...phrasing...in 2020 and now make all our lunch meat at home.

Posted by: Mishdog

Keep your filthy mitts away from my Taylor ham.

Posted by: Bette Middler at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (/U5Yz)

364 Stygian stables, Mr. Kennedy.

Posted by: See? Nobody cares at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (QSrLX)

365 >>Humankind has had a "fever" for millennia. Not any more. 97.5 is our real healthy temperature.

neat to know. I've always clocked in at 97 and I wondered what was wrong with me.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (KRtlO)

366 >>"but I know that the corporate-owned FDA allows a lot of chemicals that a lot of western countries have banned for use in human food."

I know this will be like screaming at the incoming tide, but...

speaking as someone who works in a FDA-regulated industry, and have had the incredibly unpleasant experience of going through an FDA Audit interrogation (literally the word our SOP's use to describe FDA inspector interviews) I can assure you that we do NOT own the FDA.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (p8HLK)

367 Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (pMi6S)

that is interesting as I've ALWAYS had a normal non sick Temp of 97.5.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (QAkQ3)

368 >>> So they ALL made the very important decision to only use blue heart smileys, and anyone who uses red hearts is definitely MAGA...and white supremacist.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (ymtGe)

These children need to reread the Sneeches and try to learn a lesson from it.

No stars upon thars! Or in this case red hearts.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (wcIbG)

369 I like how the FDA largely exists now to put a "healthy" label on the foods the USDA is subsidizing farmers to produce after it gets highly processed--but still qualifies for
EBT--and the proper folks get paid along the way.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (ohohZ)

370 I laffed as well. Threads like these are usually good for real life stories that are humourous
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 20, 2024 04:47 PM (/6GbT)

My son required blue frosting for his birthday cake when he was five years old. Next day he was yelling to me from the bathroom, in absolute shock, when he produced neon blue poo. Be careful what you ask for, kid.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (BW+Gb)

371 I'm pretty sure sugar existed 100 years ago.

I'll have to check on that. Yeah checks out.

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2024 04:36 PM (fV+MH)

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Sugar wasn't readily available and an ingredient in so many things like it is now.

Sweets were a treat most people couldn't afford to eat on a regular basis.

Your average U.S. citizen would go into shock if they had to give up sugary food and drinks on a daily basis.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (6ydKt)

I’m pretty sure Hershey’s chocolate Company was around before 1925.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (D6PGr)

372 why are girls entering puberty four years earlier than they used to?

it's almost as if we're all eating a diet that promotes estrogen. May be some kind of "hormonal distruptors" are being mass-consumed by children for the first time in human history.
Posted by: ace

Soy.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (KdwTE)

373 Wow, those long range Brit Missiles the 'Ukes' just shot into Russia? Yeah, they said it was a military target...

Uh, it was a Large Estate belonging to Putin... which does house a small Command Center, just like the White House, or Camp David.

Yeah, they shot at Putin, not the Russian Army.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 04:44 PM (QAkQ3)

These Ukes and their Symbolic shots. War is too serious for this nonsense. You can see their cemeteries grow from space.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (n7h9X)

374
Humankind has had a "fever" for millennia. Not any more. 97.5 is our real healthy temperature.
Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (pMi6S)

Mine is almost always below 98 and has been for decades.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (Zz0t1)

375 don't forget the green ones
Posted by: The Rolling Stones at November 20, 2024 04:39 PM (KRtlO)

I thought that was Van Halen and their way to make sure the parties that be actually read the contract.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (Zz0t1)

That, and if they couldn't handle getting the M&M color issue correct, how far could they trust the facility's stage, sound, and lighting.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (VNX3d)

376 And so I don't seem like I'm above it all, I've been writing all this about a half hour after eating a Krispy Kreme glazed, so ya... sugar.. I love the shit too.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (6ydKt)

377 No. Next question?
Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (pZEOD)

I actually seldom eat clowny cakes. Almost never. And when I do I regret it.

I am currently snacking on dried mango. Looking at the ingredients: dried mango.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Part of the E-4 Mafia at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (Ad8y9)

378 >>>I suspect a lack of exercise.

okay that's a hypothesis. Are you against testing to see if there's a dietary component?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (KRtlO)

379
Humankind has had a "fever" for millennia. Not any more. 97.5 is our real healthy temperature.

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interesting, thanks

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (dNhyB)

380 Since becoming diabetic, I can't have much sugar of any type anymore.

But that's OK, since I noticed that my sweet tooth was in decline even before my diabetes diagnosis.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (v6JzV)

381 Sugar wasn't readily available
________________

The most valuable British colony in 1776?

Jamaica, by far more valuable than all of the American colonies put together.

Why? It produced sugar.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (YqDXo)

382 359 Target had a terrible earnings report and cut its forecast for the full year. Target's stocks dropped over 21% today.

http://tiny.cc/5zdwzz
Posted by: bonhomme

This brings a big smile to my face. Thank you.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (/U5Yz)

383 >>Soy.

could be but it could also be all the plastics in our food.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (KRtlO)

384 why are girls entering puberty four years earlier than they used to?

it's almost as if we're all eating a diet that promotes estrogen. May be some kind of "hormonal distruptors" are being mass-consumed by children for the first time in human history.
Posted by: ace

Soy.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at

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Those birth control hormones that the women are peeing out?

They're not water soluble.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (dNhyB)

385 I have always believed that if salt tastes good, you need it. If something tastes oversalted you probably don't.

I mean, who can eat the white of an egg without salt?

Posted by: Job 6:6 at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (aD39U)

386 why are girls entering puberty four years earlier than they used to?

it's almost as if we're all eating a diet that promotes estrogen. May be some kind of "hormonal distruptors" are being mass-consumed by children for the first time in human history.
Posted by: ace

Steroids and HGH in dairy cows so they'll produce more milk.

My niece started developing at an early age. They stopped giving her Wal-Mart brand milk and it stopped pretty quickly and resumed a more normal pace.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (Zz0t1)

387 What does this mean for Kaboom?

Posted by: breaking bogey at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (69oK7)

388 why are men's testosterone levels dropping throughout the west?

I am convinced that soy in everything is contributing to it, and as you said above, the combination of chemicals in so much food promotes estrogen growth. I have seen one too many guys with bigger boobs than their wives.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (RsS92)

389 Just don’t touch my Red Velvet Cake !!!!

( kidding. Rarely eat desserts /sweets but when I do it’s either Blackberry cobbler, Red Velvet cake and Turtles)

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (D6PGr)

390 This thread sent me down the health statistics rabbit hole. Highest per capita smoking rates in the world are Myanmar, Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (Dm8we)

391 Another example --
A lot of companies are mixing sugar and artificial sweeteners now (chemicals).

They do this to reduce costs. That is the main reason, but they also can claim lower calories. Why would anyone drink / eat that stuff?

This is shitification. It is not done to improve quality. There is much less of that in Japan, although a lot of the newer sports drinks do it, but a lot of that comes from USA influence.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (Feaow)

392 365 >>Humankind has had a "fever" for millennia. Not any more. 97.5 is our real healthy temperature.

neat to know. I've always clocked in at 97 and I wondered what was wrong with me.
Posted by: ace

What's "wrong" with you is that you have healthy gums. For real. 97 is in fact your correct and healthy temperature. Mine is about 97.2.

The "98.6" measurement was a massive worldwide blunder that nobody ever spotted.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (pMi6S)

393 Target had a terrible earnings report and cut its forecast for the full year. Target's stocks dropped over 21% today.

http://tiny.cc/5zdwzz
Posted by: bonhomme

You mean, soon I'll no longer to be able to drop a deuce in the Women's room?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (Zz0t1)

394 Personally, I'm happy to see the GOP slowly shift to having a philosophy of "support businesses... be skeptical of BIG businesses"

Posted by: Shenanigans at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (pZ0Mr)

395 Move your dang body somehow, someway, every day.

Posted by: Piper
......

I'm learning the Trump dance. Phew.

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (v0R5T)

396 >>We were in Italy this summer and all the food was fresh and wholesome. It was truly wonderful.

In a previous job I traveled to the Netherlands pretty frequently and stayed at an inn that was near my customer in the middle of the country, surrounded by farmland. The chef at the small restaurant moved from a Michelin 4 star restaurant in Amsterdam to raise his kids and settled at this place.

He used to shop for all the vegetables, meats, fish everyday and then had a limited menu every evening. It was amazing. Even when you stayed at the inn you had to make a dinner reservation because people came from all over to eat, the food was that good.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (LkLld)

397 could be but it could also be all the plastics in our food.

Posted by: ace

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hahahaha

Let the record show: A *direct* result of plastics recycling.

Those dummies killed us thinking they were going to accomplish something good for the planet.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (dNhyB)

398 Back in hospital again.

Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (SSBCb)

399 >>>Sugar wasn't readily available and an ingredient in so many things like it is now.

Sweets were a treat most people couldn't afford to eat on a regular basis.

Your average U.S. citizen would go into shock if they had to give up sugary food and drinks on a daily basis.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (6ydKt)

I’m pretty sure Hershey’s chocolate Company was around before 1925.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

I'm really enjoying the responses. People tell you that sugar has never been this readily available in history before now, and the responses continue being: "But sugar has always existed. Checkmate."

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

400 Retard level journalism

Posted by: Kamala's Throat at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (W+TLY)

401
Mine is almost always below 98 and has been for decades.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024

***
Now that I look at my dr. visit result sheet from two months ago, I see 97.5 as well.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (J2vNu)

402 >>> why are girls entering puberty four years earlier than they used to?

This was happening where I grew up, and they told us it was possibly the grown hormones pumped into our chicken. It scared my mom and she tried to get us meat with less hormones added. But who knows.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (wcIbG)

403 367 Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (pMi6S)

that is interesting as I've ALWAYS had a normal non sick Temp of 97.5.
Posted by: Romeo13

Bingo.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:56 PM (pMi6S)

404 Back in hospital again.
Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (SSBCb)

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Dammit, Jim.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 20, 2024 04:56 PM (DRSnL)

405 Humankind has had a "fever" for millennia. Not any more. 97.5 is our real healthy temperature.
Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (pMi6S)

My normal temperature is even below that, so I must be chillin' here.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 20, 2024 04:56 PM (VNX3d)

406 Even the non coca-cola Mexican cola with cane sugar tastes better.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 20, 2024 04:56 PM (q4Yry)

407 I thought the Brits had horrible teeth because they decided using urine as a mouthwash, so the ammonia would whiten their teeth, was a good idea?

That maybe they got from the Romans?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 20, 2024 04:56 PM (ohohZ)

408 Watch the movie "They Will Never Grow Old," and look at the teeth of the young soldiers. They're black with crud, and would doubtless lose those teeth if they survived the war.

oh you watched a movie, I'm talking about book about the history of sugar and tooth decay.
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (KRtlO)

Historically people had more trouble grinding their teeth to the nub due to sand in the food they ate than cavities.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 04:56 PM (n7h9X)

409 Here's my probably wrong theory on the increased number of autism...along with other issues, too much screen time for babies. Our pediatrician told us only 1 hour of tv for our sons once they were toddling around the playroom.

Now there are videos in ninny vans (what my son called them) to keep the little ones quiet for brief trips.

My sons, tethered to car seats from birth, had to deal with the sometimes 13hr trips to my parent's with either small toys, books I'd present during cranky times from under my seat, and singing to rock songs. Or the blessed nap.

Now they have ipads. At least our grands have limited time.

I also don't believe in drugging the little kids unless it does help them from head banging or whatever. Changing their diets could help first. Puff up with pride and releases toxic flatulence: I never fed my kids McDonald's for dinner. Not that I'd win a prize as I was also working a bit and their father was out of town on business. There were times I broke down and fed the chimps Hamburger Helper.

I am thankful I never had to deal with this, as pretty much everyone, even adults, are on the spectrum if you take the little tests online.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (gi+MR)

410 Jamaica, by far more valuable than all of the American colonies put together.

Why? It produced sugar.
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And District-Attorney concubines.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (hovnC)

411 358 why are men's testosterone levels dropping throughout the west?

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)

I suspect a lack of exercise.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (aD39U)

One of the weird precursors to Testosterone production, is winning. Yup, the chemicals in the brain when you are feeling good about winning, does increase testosterone production...

Depressed Men, create less testosterone... ergo... the now normalized Men are treated like shit, and society not allowing many to feel productive (both socially and career), will lead to lower testosterone levels.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (QAkQ3)

412 Mine is almost always below 98 and has been for decades.
Posted by: Sponge

Another member of the healthy gums club!

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (pMi6S)

413 >>>I am convinced that soy in everything is contributing to it, and as you said above, the combination of chemicals in so much food promotes estrogen growth. I have seen one too many guys with bigger boobs than their wives.

soy maybe be contributing to it, but i've read some skeptical articles about that. My guess is that it's the plastics.

but I don't know. Something is driving this, and no one at the FDA or NIH seems to want to know why men's testosterone is falling and falling.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (KRtlO)

414 I mean, who can eat the white of an egg without salt?
Posted by: Job 6:6 at November 20, 2024 04:54 PM (aD39U)

I don't salt my sunny side up eggs. Only pepper and maybe some Cholula.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (Zz0t1)

415 Good luck Jim.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (q4Yry)

416 Back in hospital again.
Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (SSBCb)

Aw, crap. Sending prayers, brother.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Part of the E-4 Mafia at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (Ad8y9)

417 347 why are girls entering puberty four years earlier than they used to?

it's almost as if we're all eating a diet that promotes estrogen. May be some kind of "hormonal distruptors" are being mass-consumed by children for the first time in human history.
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:50 PM (KRtlO)

Pretty well trashed my swimming career when I sprouted breasts at the ripe old age of 11. Sucked. You ever see an athlete with big boobs? No, you have not.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (BW+Gb)

418 >>>I suspect a lack of exercise.

okay that's a hypothesis. Are you against testing to see if there's a dietary component?
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (KRtlO)

I just suspect a sedentary lifestyle fucks up a lot of stuff.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (aD39U)

419 neat to know. I've always clocked in at 97 and I wondered what was wrong with me.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:52 PM (KRtlO)

I hope you hang down here. This is the kind of stuff I REALLY like to talk about.

My temp is about 97 as well. But when I get sick, it'll spike. Stupid spike. As a kid, I used to scare my parents to death.

But now ? I can lay down and sweat out most shit in about a twelve hour sleep.

My BP works the same way. Normally about 100 / 80. But it'll spike - big - when I'm agitated.

Humans are built different.

Posted by: Good For the Goose at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (ciU4n)

420 Move your dang body somehow, someway, every day.
Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 04:42 PM (pZEOD)

I brought in the recycle bin today. And went shopping at Wegman's.

Posted by: Bulg at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (v6JzV)

421 I'm really enjoying the responses. People tell you that sugar has never been this readily available in history before now, and the responses continue being: "But sugar has always existed. Checkmate."

Posted by: ace

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Sugar has always contained this number of ingredients!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (dNhyB)

422 Those birth control hormones that the women are peeing out?

They're not water soluble.

THis is a factor. Between finding out how much birth control chemicals are in the recycled drinking water and how they affect a woman's attraction to different kinds of men I think its very important for that to be examined more closely.

A LOT of girls are given birth control to "regulate their menstrual cycle" even quite early on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (RsS92)

423 346 It used to be that poor people had no cavities, and rich people had lots of cavities. Because poor people could not afford sugar.
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Early Europeans in Africa noticed how nice African teeth were compared to their snaggly toofs. The big difference in diet was Euros eating bread while Africans eating protein and vegetables. A heavy bread diet will rot your teeth very quickly.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (jFCkp)

424 oh you watched a movie, I'm talking about book about the history of sugar and tooth decay.

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (KRtlO)
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No, I'm talking about evidence of the state of dental care a century ago. WWI soldiers were largely working class, and therefore not wealthy, and their dental health was appallingly bad.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (YqDXo)

425 I thought the Brits had horrible teeth because they decided using urine as a mouthwash, so the ammonia would whiten their teeth, was a good idea?

We are interested in this.

Posted by: The German's at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (/U5Yz)

426 I'd put salt on bacon.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (q4Yry)

427 I thought the Brits had horrible teeth because they decided using urine as a mouthwash, so the ammonia would whiten their teeth, was a good idea?

That maybe they got from the Romans?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 20, 2024 04:56 PM (ohohZ)

The Roman poet Catullus wrote a poem about someone from Hispania (Spain) doing that to make the teeth white. It wasn't complimentary.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (n7h9X)

428
Another member of the healthy gums club!
Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (pMi6S)

My mother was pretty addiment about brushing and my wife of 20 years has been in the dental field for most of hers.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (Zz0t1)

429 Every time I think "Ya know, NYT is a big outfit with a wide audience; perhaps I should read them" they pull a stunt like this.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (bufu1)

430 It's got electrolytes!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (q4Yry)

431 I suspect a lack of exercise.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (aD39U)

One of the weird precursors to Testosterone production, is winning. Yup, the chemicals in the brain when you are feeling good about winning, does increase testosterone production...

Depressed Men, create less testosterone... ergo... the now normalized Men are treated like shit, and society not allowing many to feel productive (both socially and career), will lead to lower testosterone levels.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (QAkQ3)

I could literally feel my T drop when Alabama lost to Vandy.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (aD39U)

432 Its three ingredients: tomatoes, sugar, vinegar, onion powder.

Wait, that's four....

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (RsS92)

433 292 Another point --

The USA has shitified everything. I see none of that in Japan. I think a big reason is that Japan is full of Japanese, while the USA is filled with 3rd worlders who are have no standard of quality. In Japan, the market is for people who grew up with the product and do not want changing recipes, cheaper ingredients, etc. Their model is quality and innovation.

But USA companies have decided that their model is growth, and the "newcomers" fill that model.
Posted by: Gentlemen
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Japan has its own societal problems, even more than us, they are failing to have kids and aging rapidly as a society. S. Korea is following that path.

I have noticed mfg quality in parts I buy from both of those countries drop and both countries are using Chinese components far too much which degrades their products from what they were quality wise years ago.

Posted by: whig at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (ctrM5)

434 >>Back in hospital again

Well that sucks. Same thing?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (LkLld)

435 Asians seem to have plenty of soy in their diet (bean curd/tofu, soy sauce) without necessarily having our issues. But I'm speculating here.

Posted by: Are we buying Greenland or not? at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (zuGjS)

436 Back in hospital again.
Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (SSBCb)

You gotta quit doing that - unless the nurses are REALLY attractive!

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (VNX3d)

437 I'm a type 1 diabetic. Since I was 4 years old (have had it for 40 years now).

I'm technically overweight. 6'6" 265lbs (down from 285! Thank You Wegovy + exercise!).

I literally do not eat sugar. Period. I have very little complex carbs like bread or pasta (although I have a weakness for tortillas). I never ate fast food.

Somehow I still got fat.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (p8HLK)

438 Makes sense a guy with health issues thinks it might be what he eats. And when going ‘healthy’ doesn’t alleviate it then the search goes on but usually still focuses on the food.

RFK. Jr tried to go healthy with tuna fish sandwiches. According to him it didn’t work out too well.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (D6PGr)

439 Pretty well trashed my swimming career when I sprouted breasts at the ripe old age of 11. Sucked. You ever see an athlete with big boobs? No, you have not.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (BW+Gb)

male weightlifters.

Checkmate

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (n7h9X)

440 Brush your mouth with Pissodent!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (hovnC)

441 395 Move your dang body somehow, someway, every day.

Posted by: Piper
......

I'm learning the Trump dance. Phew.

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (v0R5T)

Every Republican in Congress should do the Trump dance instead of applauding each time PDT47 is introduced by Johnson for a SOTU address.

Posted by: Gref at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (aBgBM)

442 Pretty well trashed my swimming career when I sprouted breasts at the ripe old age of 11. Sucked. You ever see an athlete with big boobs? No, you have not.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (BW+Gb)

There are rules around these parts that address such items of discussion........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:00 PM (Zz0t1)

443 Posted by: Defenestratus at November 20, 2024 04:59 PM (p8HLK)

Calories in. Calories out.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 05:00 PM (D6PGr)

444 I could literally feel my T drop when Alabama lost to Vandy.

Posted by: G'rump928(c)

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I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall in Saban's booth during that game.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 05:00 PM (dNhyB)

445 I don't know how anyone can drink diet soda.

I can taste the artificial sweetener and it's awful.

Like that gross aftertaste.

Even if mixed in rum or whiskey, I can still taste it.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 20, 2024 05:00 PM (ohohZ)

446 A heavy bread diet will rot your teeth very quickly.

Bread breaks down into sugars very quickly, and that ain't good for your teefs. Plus, its at least partly genetic, some people have bad teeth. My mom's side of the family has had tooth problems for generations. My dad's can eat gravel and not have any issues.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 05:00 PM (RsS92)

447 Oh no, jim

Posted by: Grammie's phone at November 20, 2024 05:00 PM (SfhV1)

448
We are interested in this.
Posted by: The German's at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (/U5Yz)

Interested? Watch your porn......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:01 PM (Zz0t1)

449 Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 04:57 PM (gi+MR)

When my Son was in Third Grade in Denver, he was 'diagnosed' by a school teacher and deputy Principal, as having a learning disability...

Why? He did not want to write stories... and they could not make him... so they wanted both a learning plan AND to put him on Meds.

Yeah, that would be my Son who later tested out with a Genius IQ. Luckily, I put my foot down, and his 4th Grade teacher didn't see any problems, and was floored when I brought this crap up in a Parent Teacher conference.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 05:01 PM (QAkQ3)

450 I'm really enjoying the responses. People tell you that sugar has never been this readily available in history before now, and the responses continue being: "But sugar has always existed. Checkmate."

Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

I don't blame sugar as much as savory snacks I consume if stressed for the extra tonnage post covid. I did it to myself. Not obese but I can do better when I think.

I do hope if a nuke is coming there is a vat of chocolate ice cream I can die with as well as good gin (not together).

Sweets used to be a rare treat. I was raised on a cattle ranch and we ate fresh vegetables and I did not eat crap calories til college. I was still very active and walked everywhere, so it did not catch up with me for decades and my metabolism went kaput.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 05:01 PM (gi+MR)

451 Every Republican in Congress should do the Trump dance instead of applauding each time PDT47 is introduced by Johnson for a SOTU address.
Posted by: Gref

Those rotting old stiffs are lucky they can get up out of their seats.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 20, 2024 05:01 PM (/U5Yz)

452 Sumo wrestlers, some of those guys got big cans

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2024 05:01 PM (fwDg9)

453 Back in hospital again.
Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (SSBCb)

Godspeed, man.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:01 PM (Zz0t1)

454 401
Mine is almost always below 98 and has been for decades.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024

***
Now that I look at my dr. visit result sheet from two months ago, I see 97.5 as well.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

See what I mean?

This is happening globally. Doctors around the world over the last 30-40 years have noticed that on average people's healthy temperatures are dropping.

But no one reported it. No one studied it, It was all anecdotal, a million unrelated mystery observations. Until very recently.

Still no rock-solid proof of the gingivitis hypothesis as the correct explanation, but a growing consensus is that it makes the most sense.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (pMi6S)

455 Our food is not safe. The best you can do is to cook from scratch as much as you can.

It may not taste better. That's the FUCKING PLAN.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (eMzti)

456 You ever see an athlete with big boobs? No, you have not.

Well, a couple but yeah generally its not conducive to vigorous, agile activity. And usually they are girls who are playing games like golf where its not as big an issue. Although there have been a few tennis players, and ice skaters.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (RsS92)

457 >>>>I could literally feel my T drop when Alabama lost to Vandy.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (aD39U)
******
Yeah, I couldn’t sleep for days much less get a boner. But now I realize it was soy and Fruit Loops. Allah be praised.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (TYBlN)

458 I remember the day when my favorite meal - beef enchiladas with cheese became poison for me. As in literally throwing it up before driving home from the restaurant.

Lucky for me chicken enchiladas are fine. Beef with unmelted cheese is fine.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (n7h9X)

459 I think good dental health is the key to being healthy.

Your mouth is a bad bacteria factory.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (D6PGr)

460 Woman we used to be friends with was a Jazzercise instructor.

She weighed in at a good 270......Always found that pretty odd.

But, she ate a lot and drank booze like she breathed it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:03 PM (Zz0t1)

461 >>>I suspect a lack of exercise.

okay that's a hypothesis. Are you against testing to see if there's a dietary component?
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:53 PM (KRtlO)

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I think society has become a lot safer and less confrontational. It used to be more risky to do most things. So I blame OSHA, safe spaces, and modern healthcare.

We have become zoo animals. I wonder if zoo animals have lower testosterone than wild ones?

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 05:03 PM (Feaow)

462 Imma coin a new term for these false "fact" checks: Fake checks.

Fak(e) checks. The "e" is silent

Posted by: Chuck C at November 20, 2024 05:03 PM (yOPBE)

463 but I don't know. Something is driving this, and no one at the FDA or NIH seems to want to know why men's testosterone is falling and falling.

Posted by: ace
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That seems to be the case throughout the developed world including Euroland and New Zealand.

Want doomsday reading,

"Temporal trends in sperm count: a systematic review and meta-regression analysis
Hagai Levine, Niels Jørgensen, Anderson Martino-Andrade, Jaime Mendiola, Dan Weksler-Derri, Irina Mindlis, Rachel Pinotti, Shanna H Swan

Human Reproduction Update, Volume 23, Issue 6, November-December 2017, Pages 646–659"

Posted by: whig at November 20, 2024 05:03 PM (ctrM5)

464 The New York Times offered a baffling fact-check of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s claim that a popular breakfast cereal in the United States contains several artificial ingredients.

Froot is all-natural!

Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2024 05:03 PM (AMyEQ)

465 It may not taste better. That's the FUCKING PLAN.

Its my experience that eating home made is 47.9283% better tasting than packaged food. But that may be because I grew up eating what mom could cook from basic ingredients.

We would get a can of ginger ale once if we were sick, and only small portions of it at a time. I remember the one time we ate at McDonald's when I was a kid. Growing up really poor can make you a better eater sometimes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (RsS92)

466 We have become zoo animals. I wonder if zoo animals have lower testosterone than wild ones?
Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 05:03 PM (Feaow)

*panda looks up from his bamboo*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (aD39U)

467 I thought the Brits had horrible teeth because they decided using urine as a mouthwash, so the ammonia would whiten their teeth, was a good idea?
________________

Where to start on this one?

Urine is largely composed of urea, a conjugate of two molecules of ammonia with one molecule of carbon dioxide. So ... no free ammonia, which should have been obvious, since urine doesn't smell of ammonia until bacterial action attacks the urea.

Many Brits have horrible teeth because a lot of them disdain brushing their teeth, much less flossing them, and never go to the dentist to get their teeth cleaned.

Nothing to do with urine.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (YqDXo)

468 > Move your dang body somehow, someway, every day.

I do an hour plus of heavy weight training 3x a week. I do a little over 45 minutes of cardio 2x a week. I've been doing this routine consistently for over 14 months.

I've noticed my general mood is much better than before I started this.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (Odg76)

469 @271/JROD: "I'm not joking. I eat Lucky Charms and then a few hours later I'm shitting out a solid green leprechaun!"

*bwahaha* Threadwinner. I needed that laugh, thank you!

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (O7YUW)

470 You ever see an athlete with big boobs? No, you have not.

Well, a couple but yeah generally its not conducive to vigorous, agile activity. And usually they are girls who are playing games like golf where its not as big an issue. Although there have been a few tennis players, and ice skaters.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (RsS92)

Famous golf announcer got fired for commenting basically he didn’t know how a pro LPGA player could properly swing with the set of lungs she had.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (D6PGr)

471
Still no rock-solid proof of the gingivitis hypothesis as the correct explanation, but a growing consensus is that it makes the most sense.
Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (pMi6S)

Mouth and gum issues can kill you. A healthy mouth is a healthy human.

They're even saying the heavily alcohol and bacteria killing mouthwashes are removing specific nitrates, or something, and that is BAD.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (Zz0t1)

472 Yeah, that would be my Son who later tested out with a Genius IQ. Luckily, I put my foot down, and his 4th Grade teacher didn't see any problems, and was floored when I brought this crap up in a Parent Teacher conference.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 05:01 PM (QAkQ3)

Every school year, I got calls about my son, adopted from Guatemala and a full-blooded Mayan Indian, asking why he was not enrolled in Title Whatever Indian Education program, that he needed the tutoring and special exceptions. Then they asked what tribe he was from. Suddenly, he was fine on his own. They couldn't make nay money off of him so he was instantly smart as a whip. Racism is as stupid as judging a kid on his age development.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2024 05:05 PM (BW+Gb)

473 Back in hospital again.
Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (SSBCb)

Awww, Jim! We need to get that tummy sorted out!

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 05:05 PM (pZEOD)

474
Froot is all-natural!
Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2024 05:03 PM (AMyEQ)

Especially the froot grown in a loop shape.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:05 PM (Zz0t1)

475 Yeah, that would be my Son who later tested out with a Genius IQ. Luckily, I put my foot down, and his 4th Grade teacher didn't see any problems, and was floored when I brought this crap up in a Parent Teacher conference.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2024 05:01 PM (QAkQ3)

I hear ya! My baby son, who is very successful and did great in college, was the youngest in his class in kindergarten (FL). The test they put him through further labeled him with his gender and summer birthday as a potential drop out. Because! He did not put two lines for a neck of his stick man and could not skip. I actually would weep at times thinking he was doomed. However, after 2nd grade he caught up. It was always left to us for the first two years to advance him or not..as academically he did well. He was also the tallest kid in his class. I did not have the heart to keep him back in kindergarten because he could not skip. I did right, but was put through some bit of hell in worrying. He is very successful.

His elder brother sailed through HS with honors. Never studied. And was a mess his junior year of college because he never had to work as hard. So you never know.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 05:06 PM (gi+MR)

476 I think society has become a lot safer and less confrontational.

I think that plays a big part. The more sedentary and less endangered a people are, the less they need to be aggressive and driven. Our bodies adapt to our circumstances.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 05:06 PM (RsS92)

477 I think good dental health is the key to being healthy.

Your mouth is a bad bacteria factory.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (D6PGr)

----------------

Good gut health (good bacteria > bad bacteria) is a large factor, especially for one's immune system.

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 20, 2024 05:06 PM (JXoaT)

478 Your mouth is a bad bacteria factory.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 05:02 PM (D6PGr)
____________

I suspect it's a tossup which end of the GI tract has a higher bacterial count.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 05:06 PM (YqDXo)

479 453 Back in hospital again.
Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 20, 2024 04:55 PM (SSBCb)

Godspeed, man.
Posted by: Sponge

Sorry, Hope you get good food at least and you have excellent care while you are there .

Posted by: whig at November 20, 2024 05:06 PM (ctrM5)

480 and drank booze like she breathed it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:03 PM (Zz0t1)

You say that like it is a bad thing.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 20, 2024 05:07 PM (BW+Gb)

481 Especially the froot grown in a loop shape.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:05 PM

By the foot!

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 20, 2024 05:07 PM (ewjUl)

482 As long as Kennedy stays in his lane ....

I'm balls to the wall.
In a manner of speaking.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 20, 2024 05:07 PM (eMzti)

483 468
I've noticed my general mood is much better than before I started this.
Posted by: bonhomme at

The mental health benefits of exercise needs to be discussed more. I am so proud of you for doing this!

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 05:07 PM (pZEOD)

484 Thanksgiving is next Thursday, right?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 05:07 PM (aD39U)

485 Especially the froot grown in a loop shape.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:05 PM (Zz0t1)

Just like those rectangular fish!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper, eh at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (PiwSw)

486 Aside from the fun of being mildly contrarian, I'd be perfectly happy to get most of the added chemicals out of processed food.

Yes, even the aniline dyes.

It's just... most of those chemicals were put there for specific reasons, and most of those reasons are not because the food industry is a bunch of moustache-twirling villains.

Some of it is because it was safer than what they'd been putting in previously, some of it was to save money, some of it was to keep the food safe to eat for longer than they'd been able to before, some of it is solutions to problems caused by government nutritional requirements.

And yes, some of it is to make the stuff so darn tasty that you eat way too much of it and have to buy more.

So there's no reason to not look at it and ask "Do we really need this any more? Do the benefits still outweigh he risks?"

But going around saying "Chemical Bad!" like some soy-based anti-oil activist isn't the way to go.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (hB7mE)

487 481 Especially the froot grown in a loop shape.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:05 PM

By the foot!
Posted by: Minnfidel

That tattoos your tongue. Also, no.

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (pZEOD)

488 nood

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (EmT/E)

489 > Pretty well trashed my swimming career when I sprouted breasts at the ripe old age of 11. Sucked. You ever see an athlete with big boobs? No, you have not.

My wife was a girls HS track coach and was a track athlete from middle school and a college scholarship athlete. She's mentioned to me that a lot of girls best HS track running years are freshman year and senior year. The reason being they grow hips in sophomore year and it takes them a couple more years of training before they build the muscle and athletic ability to gain back that speed.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (Odg76)

490 NOOD Disney ABC Stupidity

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (VNX3d)

491 Nood.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper, eh at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (PiwSw)

492 His elder brother sailed through HS with honors. Never studied. And was a mess his junior year of college because he never had to work as hard.

That is a danger with very smart kids. If you can blast through school without a challenge, you are woefully unprepared for college where you actually DO have to study and do the homework. Having none of the skills, experience, and discipline to do the work, its a hell of an uphill climb to get up to speed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (RsS92)

493
Famous golf announcer got fired for commenting basically he didn’t know how a pro LPGA player could properly swing with the set of lungs she had.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (D6PGr)

Female golfer Christina Kim had huge boobs as she gained weight later in her career and played ok. It was her mental faculties that ruined things for her.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (Zz0t1)

494 I could literally feel my T drop when Alabama lost to Vandy.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (aD39U)

As I said when Michigan lost to Appalachian State that their football program should be banned for 5 years. Its bad enough that they play powderpuff teams from tiny schools to get those 50-0 blowouts, but you LOSE?

if you want to support minor colleges, have them get extra scholarships for donations in cash and facilities. Let the tiny school play in your stadium when you are on the road.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (n7h9X)

495 Did you ever watch the news from the '80s? Or the movie Hoop Dreams? Very few fat people in the inner city. What happened? Free crappy good.

I appreciate what RFK is trying to do. But I do think an incremental approach would work better. (Taking after you, proggies.)

If you give poor people lots of free food, at school and on EBT cards, they will get fat and eat crap. Just eliminate all the free junk at school and stop the use of EBT to buy sodas and you will be making some real progress.

Posted by: PJ at November 20, 2024 05:09 PM (RRCAT)

496 oh you watched a movie, I'm talking about book about the history of sugar and tooth decay.
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2024 04:51 PM (KRtlO)

the dentist Weston Price was one of the first to study and document the astonishing lack of tooth decay in indigenous peoples that only consumed meat.

check out his book Nutrition and Physical Generation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at November 20, 2024 05:09 PM (V6W16)

497 When I was doing strict keto, I was amazed to learn all the names for the hidden sugars in foods. There's at least a hundred. Designed to sneak in crap you don't need.

Keto for me meant I had to learn to cook minimally processed foods, not dump a can of box of stuff into a pot to heat up. Even canned tomato soup has the same amount of sugar as a Coke.

Posted by: Chuck C at November 20, 2024 05:09 PM (yOPBE)

498 > I am so proud of you for doing this!

Thanks! I appreciate that.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 20, 2024 05:09 PM (Odg76)

499 It's just... most of those chemicals were put there for specific reasons, and most of those reasons are not because the food industry is a bunch of moustache-twirling villains.

Some of it is because it was safer than what they'd been putting in previously, some of it was to save money, some of it was to keep the food safe to eat for longer than they'd been able to before, some of it is solutions to problems caused by government nutritional requirements.

And yes, some of it is to make the stuff so darn tasty that you eat way too much of it and have to buy more.

-

The real reason is that food used to be made of food, and in order to make it cheaper they looked for substitutes. After a while those substitutes would need substitutes, and the cycle would continue.

It's been noted here, but we're eating copies of copies of copies of store-bought things that really did taste good back in the 80s.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 05:10 PM (dNhyB)

500 Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (hB7mE

Look at the history of the hot dog. The early history may not be a pleasant.read.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 05:10 PM (D6PGr)

501
But going around saying "Chemical Bad!" like some soy-based anti-oil activist isn't the way to go.
Posted by: FeatherBlade

People equate the word chemical with poison. That is an education thing - there are improvements through invention and science. Like AC and ivermectin. We shouldn’t lose this in our discussion for sure.

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 05:10 PM (pZEOD)

502 Early Europeans in Africa noticed how nice African teeth were compared to their snaggly toofs. The big difference in diet was Euros eating bread while Africans eating protein and vegetables. A heavy bread diet will rot your teeth very quickly.
Posted by: Pudinhead at November 20, 2024 04:58 PM (jFCkp)

Part of that is just eating tougher or harder textured foods- raw roots, vegetables, tough meat, etc. That causes you to develop a broader palate when growing. Broader palate = more room for teeth to erupt in straight

On the other hand, children eating a soft diet tend to have narrower palates. Narrower palate = crowded space = crowder teeth.

That's a big part of it and has zippo to do with sugar.

Though, of course, sugar in the diet can lead to cavities.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 20, 2024 05:10 PM (eDfFs)

503 nood abc disney

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 20, 2024 05:10 PM (hovnC)

504 Especially the froot grown in a loop shape.

Speaking of natural foods, has anyone ever managed to grow Crunchberries from seed? Used to love those things, and I've enough land to grow some.

Posted by: t-bird at November 20, 2024 05:11 PM (pEcHx)

505 I was surprised to see Japanese and Korean companies doing business with the DESPISED Chinese. Can't resist that child slave labor, apparently.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 20, 2024 05:11 PM (wBaIH)

506 61 Not a fan (to put it mildly) of guvamint bans, prohibitions, micro-management, and nannying. Big fan of information disclosure and individual choice and responsibility.

So not doing handsprings over RFKJr's food policing. Unless it ends up leading to more info.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2024 04:13 PM (1m82a)

If we go back to food being based more on food (and not chemical creation), and have the pendulum swing that way, I'm okay with a zealot in the role. We've obviously been way too lenient for way too many years...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 20, 2024 05:12 PM (exHjb)

507
Keto for me meant I had to learn to cook minimally processed foods, not dump a can of box of stuff into a pot to heat up. Even canned tomato soup has the same amount of sugar as a Coke.
Posted by: Chuck C

Be aware of the difference between added sugar and naturally occurring. You can find tomato soup with minimal added sugar (will have some to reduce acidity), and some that may need to be dessert. 😂

Posted by: Piper at November 20, 2024 05:13 PM (pZEOD)

508 The real reason is that food used to be made of food, and in order to make it cheaper they looked for substitutes. After a while those substitutes would need substitutes, and the cycle would continue.

It's been noted here, but we're eating copies of copies of copies of store-bought things that really did taste good back in the 80s.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 05:10 PM (dNhyB)

This, 100%

Posted by: Nova Local at November 20, 2024 05:13 PM (exHjb)

509 The lowered puberty-arrival for the average girl is easily explained through evolutionary factors:

Puberty doesn't hit at the same time for everyone -- it's in a range. In the past, girls who hit puberty earlier tended to have sex earlier, and stupid sex (i.e. unprotected) more often. The younger a girl is, the more naive she is, the less experienced, the less educated, the more childish, etc. - -which leads to being taken advantage of and acting on impulse more frequently.

"Early onset puberty = early and more frequent unprotected sexual activity" has been proven conclusively.

And the more sex a demographic has, the more pregnancies it has. Some get aborted, but not all.

So: girls who hit puberty earlier tend to have more babies. Also proven statistically.

And those babies? They all inherit their mothers' tendency to hit puberty earlier.

So the next generation, population-wide, has more kids with the early-puberty gene.

Multiply that by a hundred generations and -- boom -- the average age of puberty overall drops.

That's how evolution works.

Posted by: zombie at November 20, 2024 05:13 PM (pMi6S)

510 I am a skeptic on the dental health thing affecting temperature.

Lots of people had very few cavities in the past -- many rural people, and 3rd world countries had very low sugar diets.
Yes, I take it as a given that sugar is main cause of most tooth issues. I have been to Africa and Asia and seen people with perfect teeth well into old age. No dentists, but also no sugar. (and no stone milled grains)

If it was dental, then it would not have been universal. Also we do not measure temperature with high accuracy due to where we measure (not core inside temp) and instruments.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at November 20, 2024 05:14 PM (Feaow)

511 Look at the history of the hot dog. The early history may not be a pleasant.read.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 20, 2024 05:10 PM (D6PGr)

I've never liked them, and like them far less as an adult who reads what's in them.

Oddly, when pregnant with #1 son, who was 9lb 13oz at birth, I loved them...with the works. I also craved Mexican food and was once found by his father eating Oreos (which I also don't like) in the kitchen at 2am.

I loved Mexican food so much my husband dreamed HE had a c-section of boy triplets and two were Hispanic looking and one a blond boy. I did have a c-section and one blond boy. Prophetic.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 05:14 PM (gi+MR)

512 Those birth control hormones that the women are peeing out?

They're not water soluble.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

I am not drinking lady pee. (or man pee for that matter)

Posted by: Erebus- ex-Killer Whale at November 20, 2024 05:15 PM (elaR+)

513 His elder brother sailed through HS with honors. Never studied. And was a mess his junior year of college because he never had to work as hard. So you never know.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 05:06 PM (gi+MR)

Schools need to get more creative with this. I remember in a Catholic school without a lot of cash in lower grades they seemed to be flexible. So in the reading stuff the box of stories and quizzes you needed to do X of them. Since my mother taught me to read in self defense years earlier the teacher let me do 10x the number because I could. Spelling bees used to be girls vs boys and there would be me and another guy versus 80 percent of the girls. Got me some street cred with the other boys.

I remember when in 6th grade at a regular elementary school I suddenly was not allowed to progress ahead of the rest if I could. And the hostility from the boys there.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 05:17 PM (n7h9X)

514 Those birth control hormones that the women are peeing out?

They're not water soluble.
-

I am not drinking lady pee. (or man pee for that matter)

Posted by: Erebus- ex-Killer Whale

-

If you're drinking water you are.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Greater stakes, Karmella lost 10M votes while Trump stayed the same? at November 20, 2024 05:17 PM (dNhyB)

515 That is a danger with very smart kids. If you can blast through school without a challenge, you are woefully unprepared for college where you actually DO have to study and do the homework. Having none of the skills, experience, and discipline to do the work, its a hell of an uphill climb to get up to speed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 20, 2024 05:08 PM (RsS92)

He's successful now, with a degree in music and computer science. He had to go the music route first, as he is both stubborn and very, very good. Has done well. I attribute any random grey hair I find to him, as he was the difficult kid from age 5yrs. Stubborn as a mule, and he got this from both of us.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 20, 2024 05:19 PM (gi+MR)

516 Sugar HAS always existed.

I mean, WTF?

Posted by: eleven at November 20, 2024 05:21 PM (fV+MH)

517 I have the primitive, apparently "Food Nazi" view that the substances man ate for a million years are probably safe, whereas substances created in the 1950s which man has only eaten for 75 years may or may not be safe and probably require some testing.

Posted by: ace

Unfrozen Caveman Dietician

Posted by: Miklos remembers that at November 20, 2024 05:23 PM (+w4kg)

518 Where to start on this one?

Urine is largely composed of urea, a conjugate of two molecules of ammonia with one molecule of carbon dioxide. So ... no free ammonia, which should have been obvious, since urine doesn't smell of ammonia until bacterial action attacks the urea.

Many Brits have horrible teeth because a lot of them disdain brushing their teeth, much less flossing them, and never go to the dentist to get their teeth cleaned.

Nothing to do with urine.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2024 05:04 PM (YqDXo)

Well in the Roman days and later, Tanners used urine to work pelts and possibly for bleaching. They used to get it free in the city, if they carted it off from the public restrooms. Vespasian the emperor famously started taxing the tanners for the urine. and his son Titus came to complain about it being unseemly to tax urine. V pulled out a coin and said "The money doesn't smell"

Posted by: Oldcat at November 20, 2024 05:25 PM (n7h9X)

519 You ever see an athlete with big boobs? No, you have not.
......

Does golf count? Paige Spirinac.

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2024 05:36 PM (v0R5T)

520 US foods banned in Europe and some in China and Russia with explanations why.

The only ones that surprised me is chicken and ground beef.

https://tinyurl.com/4rcnf2sr

Posted by: Cheri at November 20, 2024 05:39 PM (oiNtH)

521 Fake Checks:

Clarifictions? Clarifactitious clarifalsifications?

Posted by: Shen Nan I Gan at November 20, 2024 06:01 PM (RH5d9)

522 I completely support validating the safety of the ingredients in food.

What I do not support is shifting gears from taking on Big Pharma and their toxic injections that are mandated for consumption, cause instant harm to many Americans, cause further long-term harm to many Americans, in favor of going after trace toxins that might not even be damaging to humans in the levels consumed, are voluntarily purchased and consumed, and even if they are toxic, take decades to cause their harm.

RFK Jr. had value when he was planning to take on the Covid-19 disaster, particularly the mRNA injections. What changed his direction at exactly the moment that he signed on to support the father of the vaccines and the daddy lock-down himself?

Posted by: MarineVet at November 20, 2024 07:11 PM (B9VxK)

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