THE MORNING RANT: Trump Plans to Kill EV Tax Credit <i>AND</i> Exit the Paris Climate Agreement

THE MORNING RANT: Trump Plans to Kill EV Tax Credit AND Exit the Paris Climate Agreement

While all the usual suspects, including NeverTrump faux-conservatives, have been distracted and losing their minds over President-elect Trump’s appointments this past week, Trump and his team have simultaneously been laying the groundwork to dismantle Biden’s climate apparatus.

As we savor these headlines below, just remember that the “principled conservatives” at outlets such as National Review and The Dispatch fervently fought to keep Trump out of the White House and keep Kamala/Obama/Biden in power, which would have had the effect of making permanent the agenda of climate communism. Had Conservative, Inc. had its way, there would be no off ramp from the government mandated “EV transition,” and the United States would still be professing obedience to the Paris ~~Communism~~ Climate Agreement.

Through all these years of writing EV roundups and condemning EV subsidies, this is a headline I always hoped to see:

“Trump's transition team aims to kill Biden EV tax credit” [Reuters – 11/14/2024]

President-elect Donald Trump's transition team is planning to kill the $7,500 consumer tax credit for electric-vehicle purchases as part of broader tax-reform legislation, two sources with direct knowledge of the matter told Reuters.

Except for Tesla, the business plan for all the companies manufacturing electric vehicles in the United States has been government mandating that customers buy EVs, and then the government also providing huge incentives to customers and manufacturers to make the sale of the unwanted EVs feasible.

But what about Tesla? Elon Musk has been enjoying the subsidies, but his company doesn’t need them to profitably sell Teslas. Killing off the $7,500 tax credit will deal a death blow to the electric products from his competitors such as Ford, General Motors, VW, and Rivian.

Ending the tax credit could have grave implications for an already stalling U.S. EV transition. And yet representatives of Tesla - by far the nation's largest EV seller - have told a Trump-transition committee they support ending the subsidy, said the two sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Elon Musk, one of Trump's biggest backers and the world's richest person, said earlier this year that killing the subsidy might slightly hurt Tesla sales but would devastate its U.S. EV competitors, which include legacy automakers such as General Motors.

Ford and GM may just have to give up on the EV fairy-tale and go back to profitably manufacturing gasoline-powered cars for that huge mass market, while Tesla profitably corners the EV niche.

If this weren’t enough good news, Donald Trump is also planning to withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement, which forces countries to accept a de-civilizational, de-carbonization agenda. Actually, Trump will be having the US re-withdraw, because after he withdrew from the climate agreement in his first term, Joe Biden re-subjugated the US to the global climate communists when he took office in 2021.

“Trump planning to withdraw from Paris climate agreement: Leaving the treaty is one of the first signs of how the president-elect plans to undo the legacy of Joe Biden” [The Telegraph – 11/09/2024]

Donald Trump is preparing to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement when he returns to office in January.
The president-elect’s team has already prepared an executive order that would see the US leave the international treaty, which commits countries to cutting their greenhouse gas emissions.

Despite the headline, this is not actually a treaty, at least not for the United States. Because Obama is an anti-constitutionalist, and because the Senate is a body full of cowards who dislike going on the record with a vote, Obama committed to the climate accords by executive order, without even requesting Senate ratification of the “treaty.” The good news is that Trump can undo Obama’s surrender of sovereignty with a stroke of the pen too.

Trump’s actions in eliminating the EV tax credit and withdrawing from the climate accords are hard-core, conservative governance the likes of which we would never see from a Jeb, or a Mitt, or a Nikki, or any of the other dream candidates whom the “principled conservatives” swoon over.

I don’t need to ever hear another word about Trump not being a conservative from those who would allow climate communism to destroy our freedom and undermine our prosperity. Thank you, Donald Trump, for proceeding as promised to end the climate and EV ordeal.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 1st?

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:00 AM (v6JzV)

2 Morning.

Posted by: Robert, just a bit hungover at November 15, 2024 11:00 AM (1Yy3c)

3 Yesss! I'll call 'em.

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:00 AM (v6JzV)

4 Trump Plans to Kill EV Tax Credit AND Exit the Paris Climate Agreement

I didn't know it could get even harder.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 15, 2024 11:01 AM (b9Ycu)

5 Fantastic

Posted by: Skip at November 15, 2024 11:01 AM (LkKm4)

6 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

7 I wish he would end the ethanol and biofuel mandates as well.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

8 We're going to get 5% GDP next year, and the press is going to act like it's Biden's economy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:02 AM (GBKbO)

9 But what about Tesla? Elon Musk has been enjoying the subsidies, but his company doesn’t need them to profitably sell Teslas.

Killing off the $7,500 tax credit will deal a death blow to the electric products from his competitors such as Ford, General Motors, VW, and Rivian.

Easy peasy. Make a better car than Tesla.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 15, 2024 11:02 AM (b9Ycu)

10 I see six states have basically banned RVs. This shit is coming and the elites were planning on taking mobility away from the normies if Harris had been elected.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (oZhjI)

11 Didn't Trump withdraw from the Paris agreement the first time around? Or did Biden weasel his way back in?

I'm...having a hard time thinking. This pounding in my brain...

Posted by: Robert, just a bit hungover at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (1Yy3c)

12 Now I can NOT buy a Tesla even harder.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (J2vNu)

13 Whatever it takes to return a sane price for a pickup. This is America, fuckwatts.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (AdHga)

14 Ford and GM may just have to give up on the EV fairy-tale and go back to profitably manufacturing gasoline-powered cars for that huge mass market, while Tesla profitably corners the EV niche.

Wouldn't this give Tesla a monopoly, which is allegedly illegal in the United States?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

15 I wish he would end the ethanol and biofuel mandates as well.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

Yep

Posted by: BignJames at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (Yj6Os)

16 11 Didn't Trump withdraw from the Paris agreement the first time around? Or did Biden weasel his way back in?

I'm...having a hard time thinking. This pounding in my brain...
Posted by: Robert, just a bit hungover at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (1Yy3c)

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Trump did. Biden did. We're back to being part of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (GBKbO)

17 I would have liked to have a 7500 tax credit on the Chevy Colorado I just bought. But since it only gets 20 mpg I think they would want to charge me 7500 in additional taxes.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (D6PGr)

18 This pounding in my brain...
Posted by: Robert, just a bit hungover

What did you do last night?

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (v6JzV)

19 Despite the headline, this is not actually a treaty, at least not for the United States. Because Obama is an anti-constitutionalist, and because the Senate is a body full of cowards who dislike going on the record with a vote, Obama committed to the climate accords by executive order, without even requesting Senate ratification of the “treaty.” The good news is that Trump can undo Obama’s surrender of sovereignty with a stroke of the pen too.

I read a post today that suggested Trump should submit the Paris Climate Treaty to the Senate, and make them publicly vote it down. I'm not sure that's a risk I want to take. They might just ratify the thing.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

20 President-elect Donald Trump's transition team is planning to kill the $7,500 consumer tax credit for electric-vehicle purchases as part of broader tax-reform legislation, two sources with direct knowledge of the matter told Reuters.

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Kill the IRS and fund the feral government with tariffs!

Make America & Americans Free & Prosperous Again!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (MpEy/)

21 Steve Guest @SteveGuest 7m
EV mandates turned into an EPIC DISASTER for American autoworkers.

"General Motors has cut 1,000 jobs, according to a person familiar with the reductions, marking the latest effort by the automaker to trim costs as it ramps up sales in unprofitable electric vehicles."

No wonder union workers are fleeing the Democrat Party.

https://tinyurl.com/yc7a8rfm
WSJ link at the link

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 15, 2024 11:05 AM (hovnC)

22 Quality rant, Buck.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)

23 7 I wish he would end the ethanol and biofuel mandates as well.
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Trump likes winning Iowa. I imagine JD does, too.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:05 AM (AdHga)

24 Leaving the Paris Treaty = Good but I would like to see Trump follow it up with requirements to build coal plants in blue states - make it a requirement to get federal funds.

We have limitless amounts of coal, functionally, so we can meet all of our energy needs that way.

It would end the blackouts that have become more normal in numerous places around the country

Posted by: 18-1 at November 15, 2024 11:05 AM (oZhjI)

25 Killing off the $7,500 tax credit will deal a death blow to the electric products from his competitors such as Ford, General Motors, VW, and Rivian.

Easy peasy. Make a better car than Tesla.

That's not FAIIIIRRRRR! We don't feel saaaafe.

Posted by: The other auto companies at November 15, 2024 11:05 AM (xCA6C)

26 I read a post today that suggested Trump should submit the Paris Climate Treaty to the Senate, and make them publicly vote it down. I'm not sure that's a risk I want to take. They might just ratify the thing.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

They might. But at least then we'd be following the rules.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (aYubz)

27 Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

That’s where the Majority leader tells the President what the Republican vote will be.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (D6PGr)

28 I think Elon can handle no EV subsidy just fine…

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (PCK5/)

29 I see six states have basically banned RVs. This shit is coming and the elites were planning on taking mobility away from the normies if Harris had been elected.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (oZhjI)

This is pure punishment for those selling their homes and moving into RV's and leaving those six shithole states.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)

30 Wouldn't this give Tesla a monopoly, which is allegedly illegal in the United States?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

Is it really a monopoly when your competitors are incompetent twits?

Posted by: Dandolo at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (3QsZU)

31 I read a post today that suggested Trump should submit the Paris Climate Treaty to the Senate, and make them publicly vote it down. I'm not sure that's a risk I want to take. They might just ratify the thing.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Takes 2/3rds of the Senate to ratify. Unlikely and a rejection would make it difficult to reinstate via executive order.

But, like in any administration, the prezzie has to consider whether it is worth the political capital when a lot of other more urgent things are needed to be legislated.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (ctrM5)

32 What did you do last night?
Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (v6JzV)

A couple of manhattans but also had rye whiskey straight.

And not enough water. Ooooohhhhh.....

Posted by: Robert, just a bit hungover at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (1Yy3c)

33 28 I think Elon can handle no EV subsidy just fine…
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (PCK5/)

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Tesla hasn't qualified for the subsidy for a few years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (GBKbO)

34 Yea... Trump pull the US out of the Paris Climate BS and *biden put the US back in.

Then Trump pull the US out again. Then the next Democrat reenters the agreement.... rinse and repeat.

This bullshit whipsawing back and forth with dueling political parties is stupid.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (Q4IgG)

35 Paris Accords ain’t working too good for Paris and Amsterdam, lotta fires/smoke from the religious friction.

Posted by: Eromero at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (jgmnb)

36 Trump likes winning Iowa. I imagine JD does, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:05 AM (AdHga)

Make Food Food Again.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

37 I read a post today that suggested Trump should submit the Paris Climate Treaty to the Senate, and make them publicly vote it down. I'm not sure that's a risk I want to take. They might just ratify the thing.

Two-thirds "yes" vote required.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (uxCna)

38 rump Plans to Kill EV Tax Credit AND Exit the Paris Climate Agreement

How dare you!
-- Greta

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (v6JzV)

39 Kill the IRS and fund the feral government with tariffs!

Make America & Americans Free & Prosperous Again!
Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024

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Somebody on the America in the Morning news roundup on my local Hannity radio station was saying, "Tariffs would drive the price of everything up for the consumer!" Yes, but if we have no income tax, the cost of fuel is lower, and we can buy many or most of our necessities and luxuries from American companies, where's the problem?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (J2vNu)

40 Oooh my. This will send a lot of people at my workplace into a tizzy. A bunch of them are true believers in they myth that we can affect the climate by having government mandates to reduce CO2.

If the GOPe doesn't manage to interfere too much perhaps my workplace and others will turn to actual science instead of biased 'research' to reinforce the AGW narrative.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (zYCTH)

41 Donald Trump is preparing to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement when he returns to office in January.

The president-elect’s team has already prepared an executive order that would see the US leave the international treaty, which commits countries to cutting their greenhouse gas emissions.

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EOs can obviously -- as done before in this matter -- be easily overturned.

Get Congressional Legislation passed ASAP (and threaten to destroy all RINOs who don't play ball) that ends this idiocy once and for all time.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (MpEy/)

42 Tesla hasn't qualified for the subsidy for a few years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (GBKbO)

No kickbacks?

Posted by: BignJames at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (Yj6Os)

43 Musk’s reaction is a great window into how subsidies actually operate - all they really do is prop up financial inefficiency.

It would be justice to see this force Ford into a bankruptcy filing to restructure debts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (wyMQY)

44 33 28 I think Elon can handle no EV subsidy just fine…
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (PCK5/)

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Tesla hasn't qualified for the subsidy for a few years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (GBKbO)

Even better for Musk then… I want good things to happen for him… we owe the guy a lot.

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:08 AM (PCK5/)

45 They might. But at least then we'd be following the rules.

Is that even still a thing? I'm pretty sure the last 4 years have taught us it isn't.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

46 37 I read a post today that suggested Trump should submit the Paris Climate Treaty to the Senate, and make them publicly vote it down. I'm not sure that's a risk I want to take. They might just ratify the thing.

Two-thirds "yes" vote required.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (uxCna)

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Just think of the Republicans who get to vote their consciences in a losing battle!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:08 AM (GBKbO)

47
Is it really a monopoly when your competitors are incompetent twits?
Posted by: Dandolo at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (3QsZU)

Valid point, especially since they only started on the path since the government MANDATED it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)

48 Trump’s actions in eliminating the EV tax credit and withdrawing from the climate accords are hard-core, conservative governance the likes of which we would never see from a Jeb, or a Mitt, or a Nikki, or any of the other dream candidates whom the “principled conservatives” swoon over.

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Liz Cheney 2028 -- Make America Suck Again!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:08 AM (MpEy/)

49 Honestly all of the automates except maybe Toyota have leveraged cars that do not sell. Fuck them. Fiscal reality.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 15, 2024 11:09 AM (mfUOU)

50 It was Kim Du Toit who mooted sending the Paris accord to the senate, presumably adorned with rainbow stickers and a penciled image of wobbling boobs
tinyurl.com/yy29hhuv

Posted by: gKWVE at November 15, 2024 11:09 AM (gKWVE)

51 Will this affect a revival of hybrid R&D? Not a motorhead, so I'm genuinely curious.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 15, 2024 11:09 AM (wzAuc)

52 You want shit to get back like gangbusters?

Kill CAFE rules. Let them build cars. They'll still be efficient and all that. But you'll have an option to buy something fun.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

53 Wouldn't this give Tesla a monopoly, which is allegedly illegal in the United States?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024
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Is it really a monopoly when your competitors are incompetent twits?
Posted by: Dandolo at November 15, 2024

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Nothing (except lack of know-how) prevents Ford or other companies from producing EVs. Elon can't *stop* them and thus maintain a monopoly.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 15, 2024 11:09 AM (J2vNu)

54 They might. But at least then we'd be following the rules.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:06 AM (aYubz)
But those rules are designed to screw America.

Posted by: Eromero at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (jgmnb)

55 Takes 2/3rds of the Senate to ratify. Unlikely and a rejection would make it difficult to reinstate via executive order.

Understood, but all the Dems would vote to pass, and if I start thinking about all the Repubs that might vote for it, I get very nervous.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (xCA6C)

56 Hybrids… Toyota Prius a steady seller for a long long time.

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (PCK5/)

57 OT but I like the history tidbit that the United States was not a signee of the Versailles Treaty though Wilson was for it.

Hindsight shows that it was probably one of the main factors in allowing the rise of Hitler.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (D6PGr)

58 Rheeeeeeeeeeeee! We're all gonna die!

Posted by: Prog at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (XeU6L)

59

I am about to patent a new vehicle engine. The only decision left to make is to use illegal aliens to turn a giant squirrel cage or simply burn them in a steam engine...

Posted by: Just Sayin... at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (tvmKc)

60 Trump need to have the senate officially reject the Paris treaty and have done with it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (lTGtQ)

61 My understanding is that the current subsidies don't apply to Tesla vehicles, and that's why Musk doesn't mind them going away.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (XV/Pl)

62 52 You want shit to get back like gangbusters?

Kill CAFE rules. Let them build cars. They'll still be efficient and all that. But you'll have an option to buy something fun.
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Outlaw the Wind Tunnel and we can have beautiful cars again. No Moar Suppositories on Wheels!

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (AdHga)

63 Even better for Musk then… I want good things to happen for him… we owe the guy a lot.
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:08 AM (PCK5/)

This. You pay back the people who help you out- and he took a risk doing it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (mfUOU)

64 Is that even still a thing? I'm pretty sure the last 4 years have taught us it isn't.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

I know Trump always followed the rules, even when it screwed him. Going back to that would be good for the nation.

Plus, in this case, it would kill the matter for good.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (aYubz)

65 Hybrids… Toyota Prius a steady seller for a long long time.
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM (PCK5/)

And they've actually started making it look like a real car instead of that hideously ugly thing they started with.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

66 7 I wish he would end the ethanol and biofuel mandates as well.

Posted by: Sponge

Easiest way is to repeal the outdated Clean Air Act provision requiring oxygenators in gasoline and the various special mixes of gasoline in non attainment areas. That would effectively remove the requirement to use ethanol in fuel.

Modern car tech in reducing emissions has made that obsolete and we no longer need fuel additives to meet the CAA standard.

Would also stop the annual summer gas increase as refineries switch to the special boutique mixes for each market. It is a requirement that time and tech has passed by.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (ctrM5)

67 Kill the IRS and fund the feral government with tariffs!

Make America & Americans Free & Prosperous Again!
Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (MpEy/)

But first, repeal the 16th Amendment.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (g8Ew8)

68 Hindsight shows that it was probably one of the main factors in allowing the rise of Hitler.
You mean the treaty itself, not the US signing it.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (XMwZJ)

69 We're going to get 5% GDP next year, and the press is going to act like it's Biden's economy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

We are going to have a recession first, it is already baked in. In fact, once the BLS numbers are adjusted to reality, it will be shown that we have been in recession since the fall of 2023.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (lTGtQ)

70 It was Kim Du Toit who mooted sending the Paris accord to the senate, presumably adorned with rainbow stickers and a penciled image of wobbling boobs

That's the one. He says "Trump could follow the previous method and just quit again. But my preferred suggestion would be to submit the Agreement to the Senate as a treaty. There is zero chance that the Senate would ratify. That would kill this thing much more securely than the other method."

This is a bit too much argument by assertion for my taste.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)

71 ...not the US not signing it.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (XMwZJ)

72 And they've actually started making it look like a real car instead of that hideously ugly thing they started with.
Posted by: Sponge
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They made it different on purpose to sell to folks as a virtue signal. As hybrids are now mainstream, no need to have different styling to attract attention.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (ctrM5)

73 I don’t need to ever hear another word about Trump not being a conservative from those who would allow climate communism to destroy our freedom and undermine our prosperity.

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It's absolutely MAGAnificent how the Attack of The Evil Death Cult Commies have turned a liberal NYC playboy billionaire who attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding into the most effective & conservative (and not surprisingly non-politician) political leader in my lifetime -- which includes Goldwater & Reagan.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (MpEy/)

74 I see six states have basically banned RVs. This shit is coming and the elites were planning on taking mobility away from the normies if Harris had been elected.

Forget plane travel - one of the influential theoreticians of the German Green Party wants to ration train travel.

And trains should be limited to sixty miles an hour.

In an interview, the theoretician started laughing hysterically when she started discussing limiting how many miles you could travel by train every year.

They want to get rid of high speed rail eventually.

The German Green Party is currently part of the government.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:13 AM (uxCna)

75 @60

>>Trump need to have the senate officially reject the Paris treaty and have done with it.

It was never Presented as a treaty so, there's really nothing to reject.

I suppose they could create legislation barring the executive branch from entering into future climate accords, but that would probably be shot down by SCOTUS on separation of powers issues.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 15, 2024 11:13 AM (XV/Pl)

76 69 We are going to have a recession first, it is already baked in. In fact, once the BLS numbers are adjusted to reality, it will be shown that we have been in recession since the fall of 2023.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (lTGtQ)

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If we've been in a mild depression for a couple of years (within the realm of possibility), then Trump's juicing of the economy through EOs and appointments and regulatory clawbacks will take whatever numbers the BLS puts out for February 2025 very obsolete by June.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:13 AM (GBKbO)

77 Hindsight shows that it was probably one of the main factors in allowing the rise of Hitler.
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Great Britain and France fucked themselves with that Treaty. Hitler had nothing to do with it. Please note, Germany, Italy and Japan took a hike after that one.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:13 AM (AdHga)

78 Remind the world that a 'treaty with the US requires Senate ratification otherwise it is no treat at all.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 15, 2024 11:13 AM (OKBY0)

79 IF… I ever felt the need to buy a hybrid it would be a Prius… of course my buying a hybrid would probably involve my having a stroke or something,, so

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:13 AM (PCK5/)

80 23 7 I wish he would end the ethanol and biofuel mandates as well.
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Trump likes winning Iowa. I imagine JD does, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:05 AM (AdHga)

The RNC has four years to rearrange its election schedule. They could present the Iowegians with a choice - you keep ethanol mandates, or you keep the Hawkeye Cauci, not both.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 15, 2024 11:13 AM (v23vE)

81 Hindsight shows that it was probably one of the main factors in allowing the rise of Hitler.
You mean the treaty itself, not the US signing it.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (XMwZJ)

Yes the treaty itself and we didn’t sign it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:14 AM (D6PGr)

82 They made it different on purpose to sell to folks as a virtue signal. As hybrids are now mainstream, no need to have different styling to attract attention.
Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (ctrM5)

It wasn't a terrible concept. Imagine how many they would've sold had it not looked like crap.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)

83 Ohhh now hold on there Buck. Trump EOs are not like other EOs - or like Obama EOs. Don't forget that one of the crown jewels of the process of degrading and beclowning the ruins of our system has been courts usurping yet more authority and deciding - capriciously, as unaccountable Politburos typically do - that Trump *cannot* simply undo previous EOs (unlike any other president in history).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 15, 2024 11:14 AM (1m82a)

84 Same principled conservatives are now coming out as pro toxic chemical in foods because muh sacred corporations should never be questioned. These same companies also make cleaner versions of their foods for Europe, Canada and other places toxic synthetic ingredients are banned.

Posted by: Iron Wombat at November 15, 2024 11:14 AM (AZEmO)

85 one of the influential theoreticians of the German Green Party wants to ration train travel.

They won't be happy until Germany looks like the Dennis the Peasant scene.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:14 AM (xCA6C)

86 Over at Ars Technica everything EV is celebrated and if you disagree it gets ugly fast. Short version: Trump is Satan, you are Satan.

The comments are a crazy train plus circus.

Trump team puts EV tax credit on the block, Tesla is on board or [Trump and Musk are Satan]
https://is.gd/uT42AD

Six inane arguments about EVs and how to handle them at the dinner table [or you are an idiot if you find this article to be fantasy fiction]
https://is.gd/wYjNle

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (vO42M)

87 This is what I voted for. The appointments are fantastic so far as well.

I think POTUS Trump learned form round 1.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (17s+e)

88 Love it. They should never have been implemented to begin with.

Posted by: Eternity Matters at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (2m1jF)

89 Eat your words, Chuck Schumer!

https://tinyurl.com/yrympz6j

Posted by: MAGA at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (fkwno)

90 83 Ohhh now hold on there Buck. Trump EOs are not like other EOs - or like Obama EOs. Don't forget that one of the crown jewels of the process of degrading and beclowning the ruins of our system has been courts usurping yet more authority and deciding - capriciously, as unaccountable Politburos typically do - that Trump *cannot* simply undo previous EOs (unlike any other president in history).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 15, 2024 11:14 AM (1m82a)

======

Vivek has alluded to the idea of using Loper as justification to cut out swaths of the bureaucracy.

That can be accomplished through EO, should Trump decided to do it.

"This ream of regulation is not explicitly authorized by statute. It is rescinded. Bring me the next ream."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

91 The German Green Party is currently part of the government.
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Umm, the German government is Kaput. Just like the Biden government. I patiently await the fall of Poland's government. Then, maybe, Britain?

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (AdHga)

92 In my AO Teslas are very popular.
I can look out my window and see 7 or 8 owned by my neighbors.
No other types of EVs, tho'.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (MeG8a)

93 Europe is gay for trains, so good luck with that.

But then again they're also gay for complying with authority.

Posted by: eleven at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (fV+MH)

94 Car companies will be secretly relieved the EV tax credit is gone. That will signal the end of the EV market mandate, and a return to selling cars that people want (and which will generate profits).

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (iFTx/)

95
I think POTUS Trump learned form round 1.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (17s+e)

Impossible. He's a stupid doodyhead who doesn't have a clue what he's doing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (Zz0t1)

96 We were actually the ones keeping the economy of Weimar Germany propped up. Until the Depression came along. Had that not happened, we probably could've prevented the rise of Hitler since we had the power of the purse over Germany.

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (v6JzV)

97 I had read that Tesla was excluded from the EV subsidy

Posted by: SMOD at November 15, 2024 11:16 AM (RHGPo)

98 Forget plane travel - one of the influential theoreticians of the German Green Party wants to ration train travel.

And trains should be limited to sixty miles an hour.

In an interview, the theoretician started laughing hysterically when she started discussing limiting how many miles you could travel by train every year.

They want to get rid of high speed rail eventually.

The German Green Party is currently part of the government.

Posted by: The ARC of History

The German green party is part of the government because the center right government in power refuses to allow the second largest party in Germany, the AfD, to have a say. In fact, they are still trying to outlaw that second largest party in Germany as we speak.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 15, 2024 11:16 AM (lTGtQ)

99 Versailles wasn't much worse than the treaty ending the 1871 Franco-Prussian dustup. It restored some land to France but Metz at least was French anyway.
The problem was that, what was needed, was some sense of reconciliation, the understanding that "war guilt" was hardly just Germany's fault (and several empires flat didn't exist by 191

, and the need to keep the commies from taking over.
Clemenceau was asshoe.

Posted by: gKWVE at November 15, 2024 11:16 AM (gKWVE)

100 I am about to patent a new vehicle engine. The only decision left to make is to use illegal aliens to turn a giant squirrel cage or simply burn them in a steam engine...
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Just don't name it the "No Va"!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 15, 2024 11:17 AM (hovnC)

101 I really thought the bigs would crush Tesla when they spooled up their electric vehicle lines. Nope.

Musk might be that good.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at November 15, 2024 11:17 AM (Z8Yh2)

102 'Member USENET/NetNews and all those newsgroups with titles that ended in "Kill Kill Kill!" I 'member!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:17 AM (LPS7w)

103 All The Right People Hate Trump's Cabinet Picks

Good!

Posted by: SMOD at November 15, 2024 11:17 AM (RHGPo)

104 97 I had read that Tesla was excluded from the EV subsidy
Posted by: SMOD at November 15, 2024 11:16 AM (RHGPo)

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If I remember correctly, it was designed to benefit newer entrants into the EV market, so there's a limit to how long any company can use it (10 years, or something, not sure).

Tesla, being first in the market, passed that mark a few years ago. Most of the rest of the market still qualify.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:17 AM (GBKbO)

105 Indeed. Good Morning Rant.

COP 29 primarily to needle Putin, yes?
--
Jeyhun Bayramov
@Bayramov_Jeyhun
Within the framework of
@COP29_AZ
I had a meeting with Jean-Charles Ellermann-Kingombe, Assistant Secretary General for Innovation, Hybrid and Cyber @NATO
The existing cooperation between Azerbaijan and NATO, especially Azerbaijan's exemplary participation in a number of NATO peacekeeping operations, was noted with satisfaction. (3 mins ago)

Ed Miliband @Ed_Miliband
COP29 is a chance for Britain to show climate leadership on the global stage. This government believes that climate security is national security.
Behind the scenes earlier this week 👇 (an hour ago)

emmanuel berretta @Eberretta
Comment dissuader Poutine d’attaquer l’Europe https://w.lpnt.fr/2575327t via
@LePoint
(English translation: 'How to dissuade Putin from attacking Europe' THE EYE OF GENERAL TRINQUAND. With the threat of American disengagement, Europeans must develop their defense tools and engage in combat in the field of information and values. By Dominique Trinquand* Published on 11/15/2024 at 8:30 a.m.)
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Euro News, Blatant hypocrisy: Private jets to Baka soared before start of COP 29

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow. But not w/o a fight. at November 15, 2024 11:17 AM (NFX2v)

106 Europe is gay for trains, so good luck with that.

But then again they're also gay for complying with authority.
Posted by: eleven

Europe is gay, period.

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:17 AM (v6JzV)

107 We were actually the ones keeping the economy of Weimar Germany propped up. Until the Depression came along. Had that not happened, we probably could've prevented the rise of Hitler since we had the power of the purse over Germany.
Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (v6JzV)

We were helping but France was doing everything possible it could to destroy what help we gave.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:17 AM (D6PGr)

108 @94

>>That will signal the end of the EV market mandate, and a return to selling cars that people want (and which will generate profits).

You also have to gut CARB/CAFE rules, that's why all of the companies are shitcanning their V6's, V8's and Diesels, and moving to Gutless Turbo 4's and Turbo/Hybrid platforms.

Without that, you're just pissing in the wind.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (XV/Pl)

109 I have no problemo with solar energy or e-vehicles, really.

But those freaking batteries. F that.

Posted by: eleven at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (fV+MH)

110
Poor John Kerry. His lifes work gone in an instant.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (+oR7L)

111 But BUCK!!! If the EV mandate goes away, and that makes EV go away, WHAT WILL YOU RANT ABOUT?!?!?!
What the hell are we supposed to do without any epic anti EV rant? You must find more ranting, Buck. We can't quit you!

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (4XwPj)

112 10 days post election “day” and California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Colorado are still counting ballots.

When will someone say enough of this shit?

Posted by: It is Go Time Donald at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (0tdpC)

113 MEGADITTOS ON THAT, BUCK!!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (UBLZ0)

114 Good.
I'm getting warm feelings about the next 4 years.

My snobby Never Trump friend is still whining about Trump's cabinet picks but some people are never satisfied.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (xcxpd)

115 Biden screwed Tesla hard with the subsidies. He dictated what EV makers could charge for their cars. Tesla had to lower their prices to qualify for the subsidy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (ZBPS6)

116 In my AO Teslas are very popular.
I can look out my window and see 7 or 8 owned by my neighbors.
No other types of EVs, tho'.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

A lot of 'em here in NoVa, too. And a few Cybertrucks.

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (v6JzV)

117 Poor John Kerry. His lifes work gone in an instant.
Posted by: Frank Barone at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (+oR7L)

Eh, he can always get work at a stud farm.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (0eaVi)

118 97 I had read that Tesla was excluded from the EV subsidy
Posted by: SMOD at November 15, 2024 11:16 AM (RHGPo)
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At least until Elon went MAGA, I think California was still offering their own EV subsidy.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (LPS7w)

119 I have no problemo with solar energy or e-vehicles, really.

Ditto, as long as I'm not paying for them. You want to throw your money away? Have at it!

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (xCA6C)

120 First foreign visitor to Mar-A-Lago to congratulate America?

Javier Milei

I just love this whole stream of great news day after day

https://tinyurl.com/7ec5r76c

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (fkwno)

121 A quibble long suppressed because it will be confused for a semantic gripe. There really is meaning to "practical", and "common sense", as terms.

Having a border and rule of law in immigration (fundamental parts of national sovereignty) are not "conservative" or "populist" (the latest ridiculous treatment). They are in fact basic common sense. Fundamental practical aspects of national sovereignty, exercised by all states since states existed.

Eliminating 100% of "climate" nonsense is rational, practical, and scientifically and economically sound. It's not "conservative".

THIS time, would it be asking too much for Trump to not hide behind "it's a bad deal for the US" and state clearly that the Paris Accords have no basis in science, like the rest of the climate cult?

As a guy rightly focused on economic growth and freedom, you'd think Trump would bother to aggressively remove two of the biggest anchors around out necks: "climate" and O-care.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (1m82a)

122 In my AO Teslas are very popular.
I can look out my window and see 7 or 8 owned by my neighbors.
No other types of EVs, tho'.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (MeG8a)

We've got Tesla's by the dozen around here. There are a few Rivian's and I've seen one or two Fisker's. I have seen an Hummer EV, but that's rare.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)

123 This is a bit too much argument by assertion for my taste.
Posted by: Archimedes

It is in accordance with Justice Jackson's concurrence in Youngstown Sheet and Tube v. Sawyer. Concurrences are rare in actually being useful to courts but Scotus has by and large adopted his three part framework of examining executive power--sometimes implicitly, sometimes explicitly.

Simplication below,
Lowest level--president acts, Congress is hostile via resolutions or laws. Court looks toward Article II as the arbiter and inherent executive powers doctrine. The Tenure in Office Act finally killed by Myers v. US is an example of that.

Second level, president acts, Congress is indifferent or silent as a body which is where executive orders come into play often. So prezzie can do something like withdraw from a treaty like Bush's withdrawal from teh ABM treaty and if Congress does nothing--then it is not for the courts to decide.

Third, president acts, and Congress ratifies that decision (Lincoln's actions during the early Civil War were ratified later by Congress which caused the Courts to stay silent over them). Presidential power is considered at its height augmented by Congress.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:19 AM (ctrM5)

124 I like hearing these things, but I'm of the opinion that you should say nothing and just do it once in office. Depriving the enemy time to obstruct it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (0eaVi)

125 And they've actually started making it look like a real car instead of that hideously ugly thing they started with.
Posted by: Sponge
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They made it different on purpose to sell to folks as a virtue signal. As hybrids are now mainstream, no need to have different styling to attract attention.
Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (ctrM5)

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Yep. We we're living in SoCal when that hideous beast first appeared -- and many were not only buying it for the virtue signal, but to get tax credits AND mostly to avoid the daily freeway commute traffic jams because you could legally drive them alone in the car-pool lanes (and the reason I bought & drove a motorcycle when first moving there in '99).

[DISCLAIMER: As I drive 85,000 miles/year for work (miles tax-deductible), I have purchased a few old (2004-2007 Gen 2) Priuses (Prii?) with over 100,000 miles on them and gotten over 400,000 miles totally out of them with generally low maintenance cost and 40-50 MPG depending on conditions over the years. And mine are beaters with all kinds of exterior damage, which I obviously don't care one whit about.]

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (MpEy/)

126 BTW, just to show who we are dealing with, somebody posted on X a very gruesome picture of the corpses of about a dozen Russian soldiers placed in a line.

The response of Adam Kinzinger?

Hahahahhahahahahahah

It will be fun seeing him imprisoned for the various crimes that the J6 "Committee" committed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (uxCna)

127 I saw a lot of Rivian trucks in the Bay Area, before I relocated.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (LPS7w)

128 Mandates and permanent subsidies always end up as an overall negative.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (D6PGr)

129 Anyone have thoughts on the Ford Lightning truck? I saw one the other day… extreme rarity in my area..

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (PCK5/)

130 Sick and tired of the government mandating ANYTHING.

I get fined if my garbage is not in the right colored bins. Once they get it, they toss it on the same pile, but I will get fined if I do it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (RIvkX)

131 The irony of all the climate BS is that the U.S. is the only major power that actually complied with the stated emissions reductions goal.

The world's two biggest polluters, by a country mile, are China & India. And they've told the greenies to pound sand.

China and its coal powered plants are never mentioned by the climatistas, AFAIK. SO much easier for them to beat the U.S. over the head.

I doubt we'll be seeing a "climate protest" in Peking.

Posted by: mnw at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (NLIak)

132 Six inane arguments about EVs and how to handle them at the dinner table [or you are an idiot if you find this article to be fantasy fiction]
https://is.gd/wYjNle
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (vO42M)

It's funny how they always seem to avoid the absolute raping of Earth required to manufacture the batteries.

Drilling does a LOT less damage.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

133 103 All The Right People Hate Trump's Cabinet Picks

Good!
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Yes. Smell The Glove, Gimps.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (AdHga)

134 Project Veritas released undercover video of a UN manager admitting war is the only way to make serious cash and that “lazy” staff were rooting for warmonger Nikki Haley for president over Trump.

Posted by: SMOD at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (RHGPo)

135 Ohhh now hold on there Buck. Trump EOs are not like other EOs - or like Obama EOs. Don't forget that one of the crown jewels of the process of degrading and beclowning the ruins of our system has been courts usurping yet more authority and deciding - capriciously, as unaccountable Politburos typically do - that Trump *cannot* simply undo previous EOs (unlike any other president in history).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 15, 2024 11:14 AM (1m82a)

I'm betting the SCOTUS would disagree.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (g8Ew8)

136 I do see the Mach E and Lightning as well........

I always laugh.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)

137 We were helping but France was doing everything possible it could to destroy what help we gave.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

People often forget that France invaded Germany twice after WWI. And they took over the Ruhr valley to extract the ore from the German mines.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (lTGtQ)

138 Tesla hasn't qualified for the subsidy for a few years.

Not true. Subsidies are based on several factors, and Tesla has models that qualify, and models that don't.

Overall, Tesla does not depend on them, but other EV makers do to a great extent. In non-Tesla cases they reduce the amount of money the company loses per car. Tesla is the only EV carmaker that turns a profit, and it does not depend on subsidies, but of course they increase the profit.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (gfztU)

139 134 Project Veritas released undercover video of a UN manager admitting war is the only way to make serious cash and that “lazy” staff were rooting for warmonger Nikki Haley for president over Trump.
Posted by: SMOD at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (RHGPo)

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Life has gotten weird ever since the left embraced the military industrial complex.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (GBKbO)

140 I am about to patent a new vehicle engine. The only decision left to make is to use illegal aliens to turn a giant squirrel cage or simply burn them in a steam engine...
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Squirrels have already given this country enough!

Posted by: Zombie Peanut at November 15, 2024 11:22 AM (fkwno)

141 138 Tesla hasn't qualified for the subsidy for a few years.

Not true. Subsidies are based on several factors, and Tesla has models that qualify, and models that don't.

Overall, Tesla does not depend on them, but other EV makers do to a great extent. In non-Tesla cases they reduce the amount of money the company loses per car. Tesla is the only EV carmaker that turns a profit, and it does not depend on subsidies, but of course they increase the profit.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (gfztU)

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I thought it was by company as a whole. I guess I was mistaken.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

142 I look forward to Pippi Ragestocking bursting a blood vessel over this.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 15, 2024 11:23 AM (+4yJ5)

143 Hybrids… Toyota Prius a steady seller for a long long time.

Toyota offers the Prius hybrid technology in almost everything they build now. The Prius still gets the best gas mileage since it's what the system was built for, but it works well in the Camry and other stuff too.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 15, 2024 11:23 AM (Aqf1y)

144 I want out of the UN yesterday.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 15, 2024 11:23 AM (MM+TO)

145 Posted by: JewishOdysseus

Now THAT'S a cool nic!

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:23 AM (v6JzV)

146 People often forget that France invaded Germany twice after WWI. And they took over the Ruhr valley to extract the ore from the German mines.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 15, 2024 11:21 AM (lTGtQ)

Their excuse was collecting reparations that Germany wasn’t paying. It just set the stage for WW2.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:23 AM (D6PGr)

147 John Kerry hardest hit.

I know the lefty media will screech this helps Elon. But honestly, the government shouldn't not be picking winners and losers. It's unamerican. Spending our tax dollars on a vanity fleet of useless EVs to virtue signal is a huge waste.

And then spend a billion to produce no charging stations to charge this fleet with.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 15, 2024 11:23 AM (wcIbG)

148 This is a bit too much argument by assertion for my taste.
Posted by: Archimedes

Perhaps I'm being obtuse, but I have no idea why you're talking about SCOTUS. I am worried about the GOP-controlled Senate doing something really stupid. After all, there is lots of precedent. KdT asserts that there is no way the climate accord will pass the Senate, but provides no evidence to back up his assertion.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:24 AM (xCA6C)

149 I really, really have never gotten the Russian Ukraine thing. It is like Rush all over again. People seeing and hearing a song completely differently.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 15, 2024 11:24 AM (mfUOU)

150 126 BTW, just to show who we are dealing with, somebody posted on X a very gruesome picture of the corpses of about a dozen Russian soldiers placed in a line.

The response of Adam Kinzinger?

Hahahahhahahahahahah

It will be fun seeing him imprisoned for the various crimes that the J6 "Committee" committed.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (uxCna)
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The Russians have had plenty of photos of dead western mercenaries, including American soldiers, to share as well.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:24 AM (LPS7w)

151 So far I am exceedingly pleased with the incoming administration.
Trump! Trump! Trump!

Posted by: ALH, Sister Golden Hair at November 15, 2024 11:25 AM (1AK/y)

152 Six inane arguments about EVs and how to handle them at the dinner table [or you are an idiot if you find this article to be fantasy fiction]
https://is.gd/wYjNle
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM (vO42M)

It's funny how they always seem to avoid the absolute raping of Earth required to manufacture the batteries.

Drilling does a LOT less damage.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)
______

It's incredible how they think waiting 20 minutes to top-off a charge is no big deal. It's actually much longer than that, but let's indulge their delusion on this. Imagine if you had to wait 20 minutes every time you filled up your gas tank, and had to drive usually out of your way to find a station. People would be tearing their hair out. Maybe these losers have nothing better to do with their time. I do.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:25 AM (iFTx/)

153 "People often forget that France invaded Germany twice after WWI. And they took over the Ruhr valley to extract the ore from the German mines.
Posted by: Thomas Paine "

I honestly have never heard of that.

Posted by: eleven at November 15, 2024 11:25 AM (fV+MH)

154 The wrecking yard in town has two Tesla's that got creamed in accidents. Neither burnt down, but the damage is substantial. Total loss. Guy who owns the shop told me one was "just a fender bender" at

Battery packs were cracked.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 15, 2024 11:25 AM (Q4IgG)

155 Biden extended the EV subsidies. Tesla exhausted the original ones, but got more with the extension. But Biden set caps on the price of vehicles that qualified. It was a poorly chosen cap and virtually all EV makers had to drop their prices.

Really dumb move if you wanted those companies to succeed.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (ZBPS6)

156 RFK Jr. eliminates the use of cooking oils created in labs, and we go back to beef tallow and lard as things were intended. Fire up the diesels modified to run on SVO and everybody wins along with tasty French fries.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (gm9Sb)

157 It's funny how they always seem to avoid the absolute raping of Earth required to manufacture the batteries.

Drilling does a LOT less damage.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
==

Or the raping of the landscape for windmills and solar cells that kill hundreds of thousands of birds and bats.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (17s+e)

158 The Russians have had plenty of photos of dead western mercenaries, including American soldiers, to share as well.

True - but openly reveling in the pictures of corpses - any corpses - is not a good look.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (uxCna)

159 at less than 30MPH.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (Q4IgG)

160 Ugh posted a false double negative! Government should NOT be picking winners and losers.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (wcIbG)

161 What impact does this have, if any, on the minerals to be mined in NC and Greenland - weren't these for EV batteries, or are they used in other tech?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (u1uWe)

162 14. Wouldn't this give Tesla a monopoly, which is allegedly illegal in the United States?

It depends how you define the market. If you define the market as "electric vehicles", it would be a monopoly. I think the courts would define the market more broadly to include all vehicles, so it would be OK.

Posted by: Dave at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (nLwaa)

163 Can we finally have the Senate reject this treaty so no US pres can join again?

Posted by: Nova Local at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (exHjb)

164 I'm going this afternoon to the launch of a new super-hybrid that uses hybrid tech for performance, not economy. That is ironically where the tech is best suited. Cost isn't an object. Big performance numbers are.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:26 AM (iFTx/)

165 Killing off the $7,500 tax credit will deal a death blow to the electric products from his competitors such as Ford, General Motors, VW, and Rivian.

And Stellantis (Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Ram + Europe-based PSA brands). That shitbag Carlos Taveras is f-cked.

Ford and GM may just have to give up on the EV fairy-tale and go back to profitably manufacturing gasoline-powered cars for that huge mass market, while Tesla profitably corners the EV niche.

GM just announced 1,000 layoffs today for mostly US engineers and designers "to cut costs". This after they just laid off 1,000 employees in August-September.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 15, 2024 11:27 AM (P5BPp)

166 It is a good thing Beshear spent all that money and fanfare for that battery plant. Have they gone forward with that?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 15, 2024 11:27 AM (mfUOU)

167 RFK Jr. eliminates the use of cooking oils created in labs, and we go back to beef tallow and lard as things were intended.

I'm no more interested in his opinion on what I eat than I was about Michelle Obama's opinion. Just leave me the hell alone.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)

168 The subsidy is only available for a certain number of cars from every manufacturers I think it’s 250k per model or something. Tesla exceeded that number long ago so they’re not affected by this decision as much.

This will hurt new manufacturers like Rivian the most.

Posted by: It is Go Time Donald at November 15, 2024 11:27 AM (0tdpC)

169 Meanwhile the Marxists are actually beginning to ban gas/diesel vehicles in 6 states (CA, OR, WA, NJ, NY, MA). Once again CA's CARB agency issued administrative regulations that have the effect of a Federal law. This abuse of administrative regulations to circumnavigate the constitutional law making process that affects millions of people needs to be shut down cold.

https://is.gd/XUQ9b9

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 15, 2024 11:27 AM (vO42M)

170 Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:24 AM (LPS7w)

Any politician who is against funding Ukraine tweet themselves laughing at the dead?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (D6PGr)

171 How will Ford and GM survive by ending their 5-8 billion dollar yearly losses on EVs?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (17s+e)

172 126. It will be fun seeing him imprisoned for the various crimes that the J6 "Committee" committed.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

I want that lousy little Ukrainian grifter and all his promoters - including but not limited to the Trump impeachment crew - there, too.

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow. But not w/o a fight. at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (NFX2v)

173 125 [DISCLAIMER: As I drive 85,000 miles/year for work (miles tax-deductible), I have purchased a few old (2004-2007 Gen 2) Priuses (Prii?) with over 100,000 miles on them and gotten over 400,000 miles totally out of them with generally low maintenance cost and 40-50 MPG depending on conditions over the years. And mine are beaters with all kinds of exterior damage, which I obviously don't care one whit about.]

ah. thanks. my 2006 (which i bought with 110,000 on it) just pushed over 200,000 this summer. good to know it's got plenty of life left.

mountain driving is getting annoying these days, demanding that i pay more attention to the battery state minigame, but other than that it does just fine.

Posted by: anachronda at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (v3pYe)

174 Very happy with Musk. Tempted to sign up for X account… weighing pros and cons… the stench of twitter though.. can I just lie on the create account setup?

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (PCK5/)

175 153 "People often forget that France invaded Germany twice after WWI. And they took over the Ruhr valley to extract the ore from the German mines.
Posted by: Thomas Paine "

I honestly have never heard of that.
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France invaded Germany while the Danzig Corridor was being discussed diplomatically between Germany and Poland. For some reason, that doesn't count as starting WWII.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (AdHga)

176 171 Make up for it in volume?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (gm9Sb)

177 It wasn't a terrible concept. Imagine how many they would've sold had it not looked like crap.
Posted by: Sponge
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Umm, you don't remember the original Honda hybrid?

Most ordinary consumers other than tech geeks were wary of being a guinea pig for an untried hybrid auto so Toyota ( and Honda Insight original model unsuccessfully) purposefully aimed at a niche market of tech and Gaia geeks and that required radical styling to differentiate that product versus the existing Tercel or Corolla.

The skinny tires, very radical streamlining, lighter frame, etc were also more necessary as eking out the most mpg for bragging rights.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (ctrM5)

178 In my AO Teslas are very popular.
I can look out my window and see 7 or 8 owned by my neighbors.
No other types of EVs, tho'.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 15, 2024 11:15 AM

Teslas are yuge around here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (kgE5c)

179 No tracking devices on cars/trucks. I think that's much scarier than worrying about semi-rare EV's or ETOH.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (g8Ew8)

180 On Gutfeld last night, they asked which movie are we living right now? I submit it's The Searchers. Lizzie Warren's tribe stole America and Trump /John Wayne and Musk /Jeffery Hunter stole her back.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (L/fGl)

181 167 RFK Jr. eliminates the use of cooking oils created in labs, and we go back to beef tallow and lard as things were intended.

I'm no more interested in his opinion on what I eat than I was about Michelle Obama's opinion. Just leave me the hell alone.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)
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I thought some wineries made their own grapeseed oil?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (LPS7w)

182 This is a bit too much argument by assertion for my taste.
Posted by: Archimedes

Perhaps I'm being obtuse, but I have no idea why you're talking about SCOTUS. I am worried about the GOP-controlled Senate doing something really stupid. After all, there is lots of precedent. KdT asserts that there is no way the climate accord will pass the Senate, but provides no evidence to back up his assertion.

Whig-
sorry, I neglected to include a reference to your comment #123. Did I misunderstand your point?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (xCA6C)

183 174 Very happy with Musk. Tempted to sign up for X account… weighing pros and cons… the stench of twitter though.. can I just lie on the create account setup?
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (PCK5/)

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It's a time suck and stupid.

Don't join.

Just appreciate when people addicted to the place get you the bon mots as they come.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (GBKbO)

184 VOTE VANCE!

Posted by: Sid at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (+8OG5)

185 167 RFK Jr. eliminates the use of cooking oils created in labs, and we go back to beef tallow and lard as things were intended.

I'm no more interested in his opinion on what I eat than I was about Michelle Obama's opinion. Just leave me the hell alone.
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Lard is good for you.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (AdHga)

186 Very happy with Musk. Tempted to sign up for X account… weighing pros and cons… the stench of twitter though.. can I just lie on the create account setup?
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (PCK5/)

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Sure, why not? Mine says I'm a 60 year old Native American lesbian.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 11:30 AM (DRSnL)

187 On Gutfeld last night, they asked which movie are we living right now? I submit it's The Searchers. Lizzie Warren's tribe stole America and Trump /John Wayne and Musk /Jeffery Hunter stole her back.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (L/fGl)

1984 with an alternate ending?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:30 AM (D6PGr)

188 Saw an article where Trump needs to put the Paris Climate Accords forth as a treaty to the Senate - where it will be rejected, and therefore cannot be unilaterally re-implemented by a democrat successor.

Also Trump needs to dismantle the Carbon Credits "Cap and Trade" scheme that Tesla uses to remain profitable. I don't think that will happen because, well - Elon. But the fact that a company like Stellantis has to pay Tesla "carbon credits" to make V8 muscle cars is simply f*cking stupid.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 15, 2024 11:30 AM (LL0My)

189 The hits keep coming

PDJT announced this morning an additional Week One task, which is a letter to colleges and universities saying any school promoting antisemitism will lose federal funding.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 15, 2024 11:30 AM (fkwno)

190 Keep guessing, troll. You’ll never get it, but what else do you have to do?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (ZBPS6)

191 How will Ford and GM survive by ending their 5-8 billion dollar yearly losses on EVs?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM

Build more ICE vehicles that people actually want to buy?

Just spitballin', here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (kgE5c)

192 From the Art thread. Another example of EV madness.

The City of Las Cruces electric buses can't make it through a work day without running out of juice. It would seem the correct solution is to buy buses that could actually do the job. But no, that's not what's going to happen. Now they're spending $5 million so they can be charged every hour.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (vO42M)

193 Saw an article where Trump needs to put the Paris Climate Accords forth as a treaty to the Senate - where it will be rejected, and therefore cannot be unilaterally re-implemented by a democrat successor.

Tell me you haven't read the previous comments without telling me you haven't read the previous comments.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (xCA6C)

194 > It is a good thing Beshear spent all that money and fanfare for that battery plant. Have they gone forward with that?
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One of the two proposed Ford Blue Oval plants has been built. The other one won't be. The one that's built will only "meet the original demand order" for batteries. Once that's met it will be retooled to build ICE powered F-150's. The original F-150 plant is on leased property, so this site will be owned by Ford.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (Q4IgG)

195 190 Keep guessing, troll. You’ll never get it, but what else do you have to do?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (ZBPS6)

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I feel attacked.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)

196 DISCLAIMER: As I drive 85,000 miles/year for work (miles tax-deductible), I have purchased a few old (2004-2007 Gen 2) Priuses (Prii?) with over 100,000 miles on them and gotten over 400,000 miles totally out of them with generally low maintenance cost and 40-50 MPG depending on conditions over the years. And mine are beaters with all kinds of exterior damage, which I obviously don't care one whit about.]

ah. thanks. my 2006 (which i bought with 110,000 on it) just pushed over 200,000 this summer. good to know it's got plenty of life left.

mountain driving is getting annoying these days, demanding that i pay more attention to the battery state minigame, but other than that it does just fine.
Posted by: anachronda at November 15, 2024 11:28 AM (v3pYe)

Well good for you.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (g8Ew8)

197 171 How will Ford and GM survive by ending their 5-8 billion dollar yearly losses on EVs?
Posted by: Jukin
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I am not sure that either will survive in the long run. They blew a lot of investment money on EVs that the public did not want and will now have to spend again to retool to build cars that people do want.

Toyota is one of the few companies that is looking good with a mix of hybrid and regular engines that scale up or down easily.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (ctrM5)

198 195 190 Keep guessing, troll. You’ll never get it, but what else do you have to do?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (ZBPS6)

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I feel attacked.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)

Cryptic..

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:32 AM (PCK5/)

199 France invaded Germany while the Danzig Corridor was being discussed diplomatically between Germany and Poland. For some reason, that doesn't count as starting WWII.
Posted by: Pudinhead

https://is.gd/5zjqe9

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 11:32 AM (L/fGl)

200 190 Keep guessing, troll. You’ll never get it, but what else do you have to do?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (ZBPS6)

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I feel attacked.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)

Good I thought he was talking about me.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:32 AM (D6PGr)

201 189 The hits keep coming

PDJT announced this morning an additional Week One task, which is a letter to colleges and universities saying any school promoting antisemitism will lose federal funding.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 15, 2024 11:30 AM (fkwno)

Still not tired of winning yet.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 15, 2024 11:32 AM (N39Ws)

202 >>>Elon Musk, one of Trump's biggest backers and the world's richest person, said earlier this year that killing the subsidy might slightly hurt Tesla sales but would devastate its U.S. EV competitors, which include legacy automakers such as General Motors.
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Now, the whiners are going to say Musk whispered into Trump's and had him kill the competition.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 15, 2024 11:32 AM (1I6o+)

203 65 And they've actually started making it look like a real car instead of that hideously ugly thing they started with.

the "hideously ugly" thing they started with was a toyota echo with a hood reminiscent of the vw beetle. i still see the occasional echo around town as well as a 1st gen prius or two.

Posted by: anachronda at November 15, 2024 11:32 AM (v3pYe)

204 179 No tracking devices on cars/trucks. I think that's much scarier than worrying about semi-rare EV's or ETOH.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (g8Ew

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On the bright side, implementing a self-destruct feature in EVs used for special ops would be a cinch. Would be quickly consumed by steel melting fire leaving no traceable evidence. 😁

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:32 AM (LPS7w)

205 They blew a lot of investment money on EVs that the public did not want and will now have to spend again to retool to build cars that people do want.

They had a lot of difficulty doing that even before they wasted all that money on EVs.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:33 AM (xCA6C)

206 It's incredible how they think waiting 20 minutes to top-off a charge is no big deal. It's actually much longer than that, but let's indulge their delusion on this. Imagine if you had to wait 20 minutes every time you filled up your gas tank, and had to drive usually out of your way to find a station. People would be tearing their hair out. Maybe these losers have nothing better to do with their time. I do.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:25 AM (iFTx/)

Had an acquaintance that bought a Mach E when they first came out. Calling that thing a Mustang was HIGHLY offensive to me, but I digress. They decided to drive it down to San Antonio (from north of the DFW area) for the State Marching Competition (She was the President of the Band Boosters). It's a little over 300 miles.

They had to stop TWICE on the way down to charge as it warned it would be drained and stop.

I'm NEVER doing that.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)

207 In my AO Teslas are very popular.
I can look out my window and see 7 or 8 owned by my neighbors.
No other types of EVs, tho'.
Posted by: gourmand
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If your AO was my AO, the enthusiasm might have been damped. NO electricity for a full month in the wake of Helene.

Posted by: Prog at November 15, 2024 11:33 AM (XeU6L)

208 192 Do any cities still have the old school buses and light rail that runs off overhead wires? Dayton OH had the "Traction", a bus system and Cleveland the Rapid, light rail.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 15, 2024 11:34 AM (gm9Sb)

209 I have to say that whoever is in charge of the marketing for The War of the Rohirrim is pushing my buttons the right way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jozH9rCVOc

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:34 AM (GBKbO)

210 Any Hawaiian district court judge who issues an injunction concerning President Trump's E.O.s should be arrested for insurrection.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 15, 2024 11:34 AM (RIvkX)

211 /Prog

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 15, 2024 11:34 AM (XeU6L)

212 It will be fun seeing him imprisoned for the various crimes that the J6 "Committee" committed.

Destroying evidence, falsifying evidence...

My favorite is when they used video from a surveillance camera to show the evil rioters entering the Capitol (after the Capitol police opened the doors for them, of course).

The surveillance video was silent, so the J6 "Committee" hired a Hollywood producer to make up a soundtrack to go with the video to make things sound as bad as possible, and then entered the fake soundtrack with the video into the official record.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:34 AM (uxCna)

213 PDJT. please end this one more outrageous Junta act! I beg you.

Small businesses now need to "register" with the Financial Crimes enforcement agency, before January 15 (hah! No coincidence there). We are REQUIRED to disclose names and ownership percentages of all owners, and cough up images of drivers licenses.

Fucking outrageous intrusion into a kulaks life.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 15, 2024 11:34 AM (fkwno)

214 On Gutfeld last night, they asked which movie are we living right now? I submit it's The Searchers. Lizzie Warren's tribe stole America and Trump /John Wayne and Musk /Jeffery Hunter stole her back.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (L/fGl)

1984 with an alternate ending?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Atlas Shrugged with an alternate ending. The lights didn't go out, except in California.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 15, 2024 11:35 AM (lTGtQ)

215 Do any cities still have the old school buses and light rail that runs off overhead wires? Dayton OH had the "Traction", a bus system and Cleveland the Rapid, light rail.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 15, 2024 11:34 AM (gm9Sb)
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We have both trams and light rail on overhead wires

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 15, 2024 11:35 AM (RIvkX)

216 The hits keep coming

PDJT announced this morning an additional Week One task, which is a letter to colleges and universities saying any school promoting antisemitism will lose federal funding.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

The left fucked over Trump for 7 years thinking he was a pansy.

They are about to find out what righteous anger is.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 15, 2024 11:35 AM (b9Ycu)

217 110
Poor John Kerry. His lifes work gone in an instant.
Posted by: Frank Barone at November 15, 2024 11:18 AM (+oR7L)

John Kerry's life work is living in wild extravagance through no merit or work of his own, other than being a two time MVP gigolo who apparently can blow smoke up your skirt to the tune of $billions$ all while looking like a refugee from Easter Island and talking like a fag.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 15, 2024 11:35 AM (pIfcn)

218 The R’s in Congress need to impeach these leftard judges and remove them. Their decisions are dumb and outrageous and are not “good behavior”.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 11:36 AM (ZBPS6)

219 Whig-
sorry, I neglected to include a reference to your comment #123. Did I misunderstand your point?
Posted by: Archimedes

No, all good. The point is that if Trump asks for ratification and the Senate votes it down, it makes it harder for any future president to reinstate the Paris agreement with any concrete enforcement action in society. Any regulation by an agency, for example, could be challenged on the basis it exceeded presidential authority and Congress explicitly rejected the premise of the regulation.

All administrative law inside stuff but important when the courts consider regulations in light of Loper and executive power limitations explained in Youngstown.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:36 AM (ctrM5)

220 My understanding is that the current subsidies don't apply to Tesla vehicles, and that's why Musk doesn't mind them going away.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 15, 2024 11:10 AM

Wasn't Tesla propped up for years off of American taxpayer dollars through government subsidies for "green" technology?

Here’s how Elon Musk’s fortune has benefited from taxpayer help

https://cnn.it/4hT1rML

In a tweet last year, Musk admitted that Tesla nearly was forced to file for bankruptcy as recently at 2019. The stock price that seems unstoppable today had been floundering among investor’s justified concern that the company was facing a cash crunch as it had difficulty ramping up production of its Model 3 sedan.

“Closest we got [to bankruptcy] was about a month ago,” he said in that 2020 tweet. “The Model 3 ramp was extreme stress & pain for a long time — from mid 2017 to mid 2019. Production & logistics hell.”

What Musk didn’t say was that one of the keys that kept the company alive was the sale of regulatory credits to other automakers.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 15, 2024 11:36 AM (P5BPp)

221 Going to see a doctor today. My post-election boner just won’t go away.

Posted by: Master Shake at November 15, 2024 11:36 AM (hrMAo)

222 221 Going to see a doctor today. My post-election boner just won’t go away.
Posted by: Master Shake at November 15, 2024 11:36 AM (hrMAo)

Just think on Whoopi..

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:37 AM (PCK5/)

223 Small businesses now need to "register" with the Financial Crimes enforcement agency, before January 15 (hah! No coincidence there). We are REQUIRED to disclose names and ownership percentages of all owners, and cough up images of drivers licenses.

Yeah, my accountant sent me a high-priority e-mail about that.

Huge fines and possible prison terms if you don't comply.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:37 AM (uxCna)

224 No, all good. The point is that if Trump asks for ratification and the Senate votes it down, it makes it harder for any future president to reinstate the Paris agreement with any concrete enforcement action in society. Any regulation by an agency, for example, could be challenged on the basis it exceeded presidential authority and Congress explicitly rejected the premise of the regulation.

Ah, now I understand. I was focused on the case when (if) the Senate votes to ratify it.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:38 AM (xCA6C)

225 I guess hurricanes haven't been bad enough.

Posted by: Sid at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (+8OG5)

Hurricane activity has actually been decreasing since 1900, data from the American Meteorological Society show.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:38 AM (aYubz)

226 But first, repeal the 16th Amendment.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at November 15, 2024 11:11 AM (g8Ew

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Good point.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:38 AM (MpEy/)

227 99
‘ The problem was that, what was needed, was some sense of reconciliation’

I always felt that the Germans would have tolerated everything in the Versailles treaty except the territorial loss to Poland and the reparations.
Everyone in Germany hated those. Not just Hitler.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 15, 2024 11:38 AM (jbnUc)

228 Hurricane activity has actually been decreasing since 1900, data from the American Meteorological Society show.

Politico: Hurricanes are decreasing - here's why that's bad.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:38 AM (xCA6C)

229 El Sid returns…

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (PCK5/)

230 "Trump Plans to Kill EV Tax Credit"

Hallelujah. I feel like I live in Teslatown.

Posted by: They're just fast expensive golf carts at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (DobEs)

231 168 This will hurt new manufacturers like Rivian the most.

Rivian has been in business since 2009. Many of the "new" EV carmakers have struggled with a common factor... not being led by an engineering and business genius who managed to instill his leadership values into the corporate culture.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (gfztU)

232 If you don’t have a back up ICE vehicle with your EV you’re asking for trouble / headaches.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (D6PGr)

233 Small businesses now need to "register" with the Financial Crimes enforcement agency, before January 15 (hah! No coincidence there). We are REQUIRED to disclose names and ownership percentages of all owners, and cough up images of drivers licenses.

Yeah, my accountant sent me a high-priority e-mail about that.

Huge fines and possible prison terms if you don't comply.

Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Shoot whomever comes to arrest you. I'm sure the penalties will be less.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (17s+e)

234 223 Small businesses now need to "register" with the Financial Crimes enforcement agency, before January 15 (hah! No coincidence there). We are REQUIRED to disclose names and ownership percentages of all owners, and cough up images of drivers licenses.

Yeah, my accountant sent me a high-priority e-mail about that.

Huge fines and possible prison terms if you don't comply.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:37 AM (uxCna)
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Was the letter sent by registered mail? How do they know he was notified?

l

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (LPS7w)

235 229 El Sid returns…
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (PCK5/)

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He's changed his voting preference.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (GBKbO)

236 I guess hurricanes haven't been bad enough.

Posted by: Sid at November 15, 2024 11:29 AM (+8OG5)

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Hurricane Trump is gonna rock your world!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (MpEy/)

237 When will someone say enough of this shit?
Posted by: It is Go Time Donald
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While we're all giving each other celebratory handies over Trump's picks, Dems are happily cheating the people in 5 states from their choice of Senator.

(Sorry for being a one note Charlie on this, but it sucks they are going to get away with it again.)

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 15, 2024 11:40 AM (OKBY0)

238 189 The hits keep coming

PDJT announced this morning an additional Week One task, which is a letter to colleges and universities saying any school promoting antisemitism will lose federal funding.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 15, 2024 11:30 AM (fkwno)

I'd much prefer that any school allowing students to be blocked from entering class and faculty to be held hostage for *any* reason lose funding.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 15, 2024 11:40 AM (DTX3h)

239 It's incredible how they think waiting 20 minutes to top-off a charge is no big deal.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:25 AM (iFTx/)

Had an acquaintance that bought a Mach E when they first came out. Calling that thing a Mustang was HIGHLY offensive to me, but I digress. They decided to drive it down to San Antonio (from north of the DFW area) for the State Marching Competition (She was the President of the Band Boosters). It's a little over 300 miles.

They had to stop TWICE on the way down to charge as it warned it would be drained and stop.

I'm NEVER doing that.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:33 AM (Zz0t1
_____

Yea, any gas-powered car could make 300 miles EASY. Even sportscars with powerful motors that aren't designed for economy can do 300 miles with room to spare.

How do these fucking clowns live? Imagine taking your girl on a road trip and having to stop twice for at least 20 minutes each time just to get there. She wouldn't be annoyed at all.

It's like the supercars with no luggage space. "Hey baby, let's take a trip this weekend in my new SF90. But ... umm ... you'll have to carry your luggage on your lap."

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:40 AM (iFTx/)

240 Fortnite is having a controversy. Apparently you can spend real money buy a Cybertruck skin for your car (where the look of the car actually makes sense) but then you can't even use it in the game! Or it has weird glitches that mess up gameplay. So you have a useless purchase.

(Like an EV in a city with no working public charging stations kind of useless.)

Also, you can purchase an emote in the game where Snoop Dog does a crip walk, so a gang walk. Not sure how that slipped in. And people are annoyed the ice spice location takes over a beloved old location with a dumb blow up doll version of her.

(A lot of this I don't get, I'm just learning from the kids.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GIQqw91Adxk

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 15, 2024 11:40 AM (wcIbG)

241 Once again CA's CARB agency issued administrative regulations that have the effect of a Federal law. This abuse of administrative regulations to circumnavigate the constitutional law making process that affects millions of people needs to be shut down cold.

https://is.gd/XUQ9b9
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram

The original reason for the waiver for CARB enforcement was preexisting state anti smog laws predating the EPA. Like requiring oxygenating products in gasoline, CARB's waiver has morphed into global warming insanity, not prevention of smog which ordinary cars are able to do nowadays, in part, thanks to the original CARB requirements.

No longer needed and Congress needs to remove explicitly that provision.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:40 AM (ctrM5)

242 Oak Leaf Itch Mite Bites suck and take forever to heal.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:40 AM (AdHga)

243 "Hurricane activity has actually been decreasing since 1900, data from the American Meteorological Society show.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating"

I'm sure Sid is super duper concerned about the hurricane prone states.

Posted by: eleven at November 15, 2024 11:40 AM (fV+MH)

244 I always felt that the Germans would have tolerated everything in the Versailles treaty except the territorial loss to Poland and the reparations.
Everyone in Germany hated those. Not just Hitler.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

The Germans hated the existence of independent Poland so much that even those generals who wanted to get rid of Hitler and end the war still wanted to keep Poland.

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 11:41 AM (v6JzV)

245 I thought that the RNC was contesting the cheat going on with lawyers and lawfare, unlike 2020?

Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:41 AM (PCK5/)

246 That wasn’t the only government assistance for Tesla. In January 2010 the company received a $465 million low-interest loan from the Department of Energy, months before its initial public offering when it was still in need of cash. It was able to pay the loan back early, but only through proceeds from an additional sale of stock in 2013.

The company also has benefited from the substantial tax credits car buyers receive when they buy a Tesla or other plug-in vehicles. Those tax dollars went to the buyers, and not directly to the company, but the incentive allowed Tesla to charge more for its cars than it otherwise could. In fact when the $7,500 federal tax credit on Tesla purchases was halved to $3,750 in early 2019, Tesla responded by cutting the price of its cars by $2,000 to remain competitive.

Tesla buyers received total federal tax credits worth an estimated $3.4 billion before the perk disappeared entirely at the end of 2019. Even if that only allowed Tesla to raise prices by half that amount, that’s another $1.7 billion in federal help, on top of the $5 billion it has received— so far — from regulatory credit sales.

https://cnn.it/4hT1rML

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 15, 2024 11:41 AM (P5BPp)

247 What's so bad about carbon?

Posted by: Nothing. And we all know it at November 15, 2024 11:41 AM (DobEs)

248 Was the letter sent by registered mail? How do they know he was notified?

If you have any sort of business entity registered with your state Secretary of State (LLC, etc.) you have to comply.

They don't have to notify you.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:42 AM (uxCna)

249 228 Hurricane activity has actually been decreasing since 1900, data from the American Meteorological Society show.

Politico: Hurricanes are decreasing - here's why that's bad.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:38 AM (xCA6C)

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MSM: "Climate change" is always bad, because shut up.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 15, 2024 11:42 AM (LPS7w)

250 >>>Ford and GM may just have to give up on the EV fairy-tale and go back to profitably manufacturing gasoline-powered cars for that huge mass market,
---

Returning a wrong part to my local Ford dealership I noticed an F-150 with a price cut sticker on the windshield, price slashed to $95k. Wonder if there is a market for a striped down base model. One without all the electronic controls, foo foos, bells and whistles?

Posted by: Braenyard at November 15, 2024 11:42 AM (1I6o+)

251 While all the usual suspects, including NeverTrump faux-conservatives, have been distracted and losing their minds over President-elect Trump’s appointments this past week
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They have all been losing their minds and it's absolutely glorious!

I get a lot of far-left newsies in my feed; Guardian, Independent, Atlantic, New Republic.
And it's fantastic seeing the headlines they are screeching out.
The howling, the lamentations, the whining, the crying--an endless stream of toddlers throwing a tantrum that no one is listening to anymore.

And the best part is? By driving them into such a raging froth now, by the time the nominations come to the floor, it'll be old news and everyone will care even less about their rantings.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 15, 2024 11:42 AM (Qlpv5)

252 I think I'm going to guess Clay Higgins for FBI director.

Posted by: Orson at November 15, 2024 11:42 AM (dIske)

253 124
‘ I'm of the opinion that you should say nothing and just do it once in office. Depriving the enemy time to obstruct it.’

Maybe this talk IS the distraction from something else.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 15, 2024 11:43 AM (jbnUc)

254 What's so bad about carbon?
Posted by: Nothing. And we all know it at November 15, 2024 11:41 AM (DobEs)

Carbon creatures bad.

Posted by: The Horta at November 15, 2024 11:44 AM (AiZBA)

255 Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 15, 2024 11:41 AM (P5BPp)

I like when critics try to frame loans and paying them back early as a bad thing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:44 AM (D6PGr)

256 Imagine taking your girl on a road trip and having to stop twice for at least 20 minutes each time just to get there. She wouldn't be annoyed at all.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:40 AM

--

Or arriving at the only charging station in a 200-mile radius to discover all the copper wiring has been looted.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 15, 2024 11:44 AM (wzAuc)

257 El Sid returns…
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (PCK5/)

Ass must be healed.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 15, 2024 11:44 AM (0eaVi)

258 Hurricane activity has actually been decreasing since 1900, data from the American Meteorological Society show.

There is a theory that "global warning" will actually reduce the frequency of hurricanes, by reducing ocean temperature differentials.

You'll never see that in the Establishment Media, of course.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 15, 2024 11:44 AM (uxCna)

259 I’m not directing that at you Clyde.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:45 AM (D6PGr)

260 Returning a wrong part to my local Ford dealership I noticed an F-150 with a price cut sticker on the windshield, price slashed to $95k. Wonder if there is a market for a striped down base model. One without all the electronic controls, foo foos, bells and whistles?
Posted by: Braenyard
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Ford and GM, dunno about others, have fleet sales option where stripped down versions are sold to corporations, government, etc. Some of the biggest dealers have fleet sale lots, dunno about a smaller dealer but I would assume they could special order one if you wanted.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:45 AM (ctrM5)

261 >>> PDJT announced this morning an additional Week One task, which is a letter to colleges and universities saying any school promoting antisemitism will lose federal funding.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Wait, Trump won't let far left schools allow protestors to block Jewish kids from entering the school buildings and dorms they pay tuition to? And they must allow them to feel safe on the campus they pay tuition to?

It's like I don't know this country anymore!

(But seriously... federal funds for research is a huge, huge thing. The threat of drying that up will absolutely panic all of them.)

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 15, 2024 11:45 AM (wcIbG)

262 250 Market for a stripped down base model. Mentioned here before, Elon should start an ICE division of Tesla motors, cranking out small pickups like the early 90s Nissans. Real fleet models, not too much of anything except a real, real low price and the ability to add what you want after delivery.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 15, 2024 11:45 AM (gm9Sb)

263 Well, I guess we can just go ahead and erase the Maldives from the map, then.

Oh, wait ... in SEP1988 they said "A gradual rise in average sea level is threatening to completely cover this Indian Ocean nation of 1196 small islands within the next 30 years, according to authorities."

It's been 36 years, but nothing at all has happened to the Maldives. In fact, the 200,000 people who were supposed to be treading water by now are now 500,000 people, who live on dry land.

Posted by: MrExcitement at November 15, 2024 11:45 AM (hOOi9)

264 254 What's so bad about carbon?
Posted by: Nothing. And we all know it at November 15, 2024 11:41 AM (DobEs)

Carbon creatures bad.

Right? They suck ass.

Posted by: Silicon-based life forms at November 15, 2024 11:46 AM (xCA6C)

265 (Sorry for being a one note Charlie on this, but it sucks they are going to get away with it again.)

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 15, 2024 11

Every election needs to be a Battle of Athens with these subhumans...

Posted by: Stateless at November 15, 2024 11:46 AM (jvJvP)

266 Posted by: The Horta at November 15, 2024 11:44 AM (AiZBA)
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You comment quite frequently here.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (RIvkX)

267 Maybe this talk IS the distraction from something else.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 15, 2024 11:43 AM (jbnUc)

Could be. A complete round up of the Obama and Biden and Clinton families.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (0eaVi)

268 The CO2 level is crucial to all plant life ( food) . The levels now are too close to the minimal level needed for my comfort.

Maybe I’m on the opposite end of blowing things out of proportion.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (D6PGr)

269 Well, I guess we can just go ahead and erase the Maldives from the map, then.

Oh, wait ... in SEP1988 they said "A gradual rise in average sea level is threatening to completely cover this Indian Ocean nation of 1196 small islands within the next 30 years, according to authorities."

It's been 36 years, but nothing at all has happened to the Maldives. In fact, the 200,000 people who were supposed to be treading water by now are now 500,000 people, who live on dry land.

So you're just going to pick nits, are you?

Posted by: Climate alarmists at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (xCA6C)

270 I don’t need to ever hear another word about Trump not being a conservative from those who would allow climate communism to destroy our freedom and undermine our prosperity. Thank you, Donald Trump, for proceeding as promised to end the climate and EV ordeal.

But...the dude said "pussy"! And he tweets at 2am! What about the crazy old hag that said he finger-raped her!?!?!?

Posted by: Desperate NeverTrump grifters at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (JCZqz)

271 ...It's been 36 years, but nothing at all has happened to the Maldives. In fact, the 200,000 people who were supposed to be treading water by now are now 500,000 people, who live on dry land.
Posted by: MrExcitement at November 15, 2024 11:45 AM (hOOi9)

Haven't they actually risen due to plate tectonics?

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (AiZBA)

272 I saw a first generation Honda Insight the other day from somewhere around the year 2000. No idea how it is still running.

Posted by: Gasoline Ali at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (nS6qG)

273 been laying the groundwork to dismantle Biden’s climate apparatus.

Hey, that's me! Did you know I used to be a President a while ago?

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:48 AM (wnZ8w)

274 > "Hurricane activity has actually been decreasing since 1900, data from the American Meteorological Society show.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating"
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NOAA has been, and will continue to re-define what a "storm" is. They've re-defined "heat indices" to better align with the climate alarmists, winds that once were considered "breezy" are now classified as "gusts" and damage assessments are included in forecasts. They are reconsidering the category 1-5 scale for hurricanes and the F scale for tornados to better align with the climate crisis models.

There 'will be' more 'storms' in our future. By one definition.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 15, 2024 11:48 AM (Q4IgG)

275 Tesla still massively benefited from tax credits and emissions credits other manufacturers were forced to purchase.

- end all EV credits and mandates
- end CAFE standards for ICE vehicles
- claw back EV credits from anyone who got them with a new tax. Adjusted for inflation.
- claw back regulatory credits from EV automakers, including Tesla via a tax. Distribute proceeds to anyone who bought a new ICE vehicle in the period those mandates were in effect, since we are the ones who paid that toll to Tesla.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director and Pfizer Board Member at November 15, 2024 11:48 AM (4qKFc)

276 >>>What's so bad about carbon?

Carbon copies are a pain, who wants to go back to that?

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 15, 2024 11:48 AM (wcIbG)

277 And the best part is? By driving them into such a raging froth now, by the time the nominations come to the floor, it'll be old news and everyone will care even less about their rantings.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

Pretty much. Fortune often favors the bold especially when a lot of the announcements have been common sense issues for normal voters.

Most people, for example, are not planning on buying an EV so getting rid of a tax credit to the preening virtue signalling class means nothing to them if it pays for a tax break on what they actually want.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:48 AM (ctrM5)

278 I'm not sure Tesla even gets the credit anymore. Don't know. Regardless, Toyota is the big winner because hybrid platforms actually make gobs more sense.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at November 15, 2024 11:48 AM (xaNfJ)

279 >>Hurricane activity has actually been decreasing since 1900, data from the American Meteorological Society show.

Politico: Hurricanes are decreasing - here's why that's bad.
Posted by: Archimedes

Here's the funny thing: a warmer troposphere increases wind shear, which in turn, lessens storms. So, if they really wanted to, they could claim it's due to ClIMaTe ChAnGe~!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 15, 2024 11:48 AM (IG4Id)

280
Stellantis ain't looking too good...

https://youtu.be/wY4VJnRIUJM

Posted by: From The Homework Guy at November 15, 2024 11:49 AM (DobEs)

281 PDJT. please end this one more outrageous Junta act! I beg you.

Small businesses now need to "register" with the Financial Crimes enforcement agency, before January 15 (hah! No coincidence there). We are REQUIRED to disclose names and ownership percentages of all owners, and cough up images of drivers licenses.

Fucking outrageous intrusion into a kulaks life.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 15, 2024 11:34 AM (fkwno)

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Absolutely disgusting; the result of a 2021 law, the Corporate Transparency Act (CTA) which requires reporting companies to file reports with FinCEN, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.

GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, GARBAGE PEOPLE!

Next you'll be telling me the the authoritarian Democrat-Communists initially proposed requiring all private-sector financial institutions to report deposit and withdrawal transactions of their customers above a mere $600 in value. WAIT, WUT?

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:49 AM (MpEy/)

282 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 15, 2024 11:45 AM (gm9Sb)

He should name it The Model T 2.0.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 15, 2024 11:49 AM (D6PGr)

283 The original reason for the waiver for CARB enforcement was preexisting state anti smog laws predating the EPA. Like requiring oxygenating products in gasoline, CARB's waiver has morphed into global warming insanity, not prevention of smog which ordinary cars are able to do nowadays, in part, thanks to the original CARB requirements.

No longer needed and Congress needs to remove explicitly that provision.
Posted by: whig

Yep. The original intent resulted in vehicles that are extremely efficient and clean running today. Problem is it was used as a club to ram through all this global warming insanity.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (vO42M)

284 [El Sid returns…
Posted by: tubal at November 15, 2024 11:39 AM (PCK5/)

Ass must be healed.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 15, 2024 11:44 AM (0eaVi)

Well, this IS the newly minted Ass of Spades.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

285 I saw a first generation Honda Insight the other day from somewhere around the year 2000. No idea how it is still running.

Posted by: Gasoline Ali at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (nS6qG)

I don't know about that one, but my daily-driver Insight (2009) is still killing it. I get 40mpg, and it's been paid off for like a decade.

I'll drive it til it burns to the waterline.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (aYubz)

286 Think that a president's decision to withdraw from a treaty, using the withdrawal provisions included in all treaties, is or should be subject in any way to judicial review.

This of course conflicts with the Kennedy Doctrine (love the whole "doctrine" self-aggrandizing conceit of the legal cult), in which the courts usurp the treaty-making power itself, pretend plain language means the opposite of what it says, and discards negotiating history (see Hamdan v. Bush).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (1m82a)

287 " I saw a first generation Honda Insight the other day from somewhere around the year 2000. No idea how it is still running.
Posted by: Gasoline Ali"

The Wreck Racing team at Ga Tech put a Subaru 6 cyl in the back of one.

Posted by: fd at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (vFG9F)

288 Well, this IS the newly minted Ass of Spades.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

=====

Wait, what? Nobody tells me anything.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (DRSnL)

289 It's been 36 years, but nothing at all has happened to the Maldives. In fact, the 200,000 people who were supposed to be treading water by now are now 500,000 people, who live on dry land.
Posted by: MrExcitement
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Facts do not matter when one is trying to raise hysteria over a non existent threat.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:51 AM (ctrM5)

290 126
‘ The response of Adam Kinzinger?

Hahahahhahahahahahah’

I have a pretty low opinion of, say our jihadist enemies but I don’t think that would be my public or private reaction to a pile of their corpses. I’d say they deserved it but laughing trivializes a deadly serious topic.
We didn’t pull a funny prank on them. We killed them.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 15, 2024 11:51 AM (jbnUc)

291 288 Well, this IS the newly minted Ass of Spades.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

=====

Wait, what? Nobody tells me anything.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (DRSnL)

======

We've been working out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:51 AM (GBKbO)

292 Ass must be healed.

Ass must be healed! Butthurt must be salved! A sore day, a red day, ere the sun rises!

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:51 AM (xCA6C)

293 The Wreck Racing Honda Insight:

wreckracing.gatech.edu/
competition-cars/honda-insight/

Posted by: fd at November 15, 2024 11:52 AM (vFG9F)

294 Off-hand Thought:
It would be interested to research any three Departments of the Federal government and find out how much paper they bought in FY 23 and then do the same thing for FY 26.
Wanna bet it will be less?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 15, 2024 11:52 AM (W/lyH)

295 They have all been losing their minds and it's absolutely glorious!

I get a lot of far-left newsies in my feed; Guardian, Independent, Atlantic, New Republic.

And it's fantastic seeing the headlines they are screeching out.
The howling, the lamentations, the whining, the crying--an endless stream of toddlers throwing a tantrum that no one is listening to anymore.

----------

"Great Golden Scalp Weasel, what is best in life?"

"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their cucks."

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:52 AM (MpEy/)

296 saw a first generation Honda Insight the other day from somewhere around the year 2000. No idea how it is still running.
Posted by: Gasoline Ali

Couple of months ago I saw a real Yugo.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at November 15, 2024 11:52 AM (4XwPj)

297 Whoa....

"John Thune is now Senate majority leader. If he does not support President Trump in these next 30 to 45 days to fill President Trump's cabinet, we will remove him."

- Charlie Kir.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (aYubz)

298 295 "Great Golden Scalp Weasel, what is best in life?"

"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their cucks."
Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:52 AM (MpEy/)

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"That wasn't a lamentation."
-Jonah Goldberg

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

299 =====

Wait, what? Nobody tells me anything.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 11:50 AM (DRSnL)

Someone talked about sending a link to a post here to a libtard acquaintance and they called it all lies and dubbed it Ass of Spades.

We, of course, ran with it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

300 - Charlie Kirk, even.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (aYubz)

301 There is a theory that "global warning" will actually reduce the frequency of hurricanes, by reducing ocean temperature differentials.

You'll never see that in the Establishment Media, of course.
Posted by: The ARC

That's where you're wrong! We now use the term "climate change", so anything that happens we can say is because of the effects of humanity, and therefore, must be controlled. And is bad.

Sure, maybe there will be fewer hurricanes, but we can torture the data to make it say those hurricanes are more powerful, or cause more damage. Look at the insurance rates in Florida! All climate change's fault.

Posted by: Green Activists at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (JCZqz)

302
Kaffe und Milch, bitte.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (eDfFs)

303 Now destroy the Marxist EPA CAFE BS. Make V-8 Engines Great Again!

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (TN5A0)

304 297 Whoa....

"John Thune is now Senate majority leader. If he does not support President Trump in these next 30 to 45 days to fill President Trump's cabinet, we will remove him."

- Charlie Kir.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (aYubz)

=========

It is REALLY hard to unseat an incumbent senator in a primary, much less leader of a caucus who has a lot of authority over where federal monies can go.

I mean, good luck to Kirk, but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)

305 John Kerry's life work is living in wild extravagance through no merit or work of his own

-
A male Kamala.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (L/fGl)

306 Off-hand Thought:
It would be interested to research any three Departments of the Federal government and find out how much paper they bought in FY 23 and then do the same thing for FY 26.
Wanna bet it will be less?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 15, 2024 11:52 AM (W/lyH)

---------------

I got into Computer Programming senior year of high school as the mantra back then (late 70s) was we were going to become "a paperless society."

Good times, good times ...

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (MpEy/)

307 We, of course, ran with it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

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LOL. Love it.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (DRSnL)

308 We, of course, ran with it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

Ok, missed that. Sid's ass is still hurt, I suppose.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 15, 2024 11:55 AM (0eaVi)

309 "John Thune is now Senate majority leader. If he does not support President Trump in these next 30 to 45 days to fill President Trump's cabinet, we will remove him."

- Charlie Kir.

You and what army?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:55 AM (xCA6C)

310 294 Every 90 days I get my BP meds from the VA, and every pouch has papers describing usage and stuff, mostly understandable by a chemist. About a half inch thick. I've been on the same cocktail for twenty years.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 15, 2024 11:55 AM (gm9Sb)

311 It is REALLY hard to unseat an incumbent senator in a primary, much less leader of a caucus who has a lot of authority over where federal monies can go.

I mean, good luck to Kirk, but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)

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I think Charlie Kirk meant remove Thune as Senate Majority Leader.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (MpEy/)

312 LOL. Love it.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (DRSnL)

308 We, of course, ran with it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

Ok, missed that. Sid's ass is still hurt, I suppose.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 15, 2024 11:55 AM (0eaVi)

I mean, the Spade logo DOES resemble an ass......albeit with something sticking out of it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)

313 I mean, good luck to Kirk, but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)

Concur, but I do think it's a very bold marker to be laying down. Support Trump, who just won a landslide victory and whose party controls the entire Executive Branch, or pack your shit.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (aYubz)

314 Whoa....

"John Thune is now Senate majority leader. If he does not support President Trump in these next 30 to 45 days to fill President Trump's cabinet, we will remove him."

- Charlie Kir.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (aYubz)

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It is REALLY hard to unseat an incumbent senator in a primary, much less leader of a caucus who has a lot of authority over where federal monies can go.

I mean, good luck to Kirk, but I wouldn't be holding my breath.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
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It's intended as a shot across the bow. But Thune ain't stupid. He knows it's barely a bottle rocket.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (iFTx/)

315 I think Charlie Kirk meant remove Thune as Senate Majority Leader.

Again, how?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (xCA6C)

316 It is REALLY hard to unseat an incumbent senator in a primary, much less leader of a caucus who has a lot of authority over where federal monies can go.

******

Hi there!

Posted by: The Names on Epstein's List at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (M7vhK)

317 311 I think Charlie Kirk meant remove Thune as Senate Majority Leader.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (MpEy/)

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If he did, then Kirk is even more of a blowhard grifter than imaginable.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (GBKbO)

318 I'm not sure Tesla even gets the credit anymore. Don't know. Regardless, Toyota is the big winner because hybrid platforms actually make gobs more sense.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at November 15, 2024 11:48 AM

I originally thought so too, but after researching the effects to Internal Combustion Engines by hybrid powertrains, I'm not so sure anymore. ICE powertrains done right can last decades. HEV and PHEV powertrains don't seem to last as long.

It Turns Out, Hybrids Are Really Hard On Engines

Engineering Explained (YouTube): https://bit.ly/4fvOF5m

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (P5BPp)

319 There's nothing wrong with a nice ass......I

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)

320 Watching the Laken Riley trial on the Recovery Addict channel.

Laken's roommate(?)/friend is testifying.

She is really cute, as was Laken.

Very sad.

This illegal monster needs to fry.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (ufFY8)

321 314 It's intended as a shot across the bow. But Thune ain't stupid. He knows it's barely a bottle rocket.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (iFTx/)

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Aggrieved powermad idiots tend to react poorly to paltry displays of defiance.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (GBKbO)

322 199
‘ France invaded Germany while the Danzig Corridor was being discussed’

I’m not saying that move was wise but was France outside of their rights by forcing German compliance with the treaty’s terms?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (jbnUc)

323 The Maldives built a new international airport to handle all the vacation traffic they get. They filled in several acres of the ocean to build it, so the Maldives has actually gotten bigger with all this climate change goin on.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (ZBPS6)

324 I mean, the Spade logo DOES resemble an ass......albeit with something sticking out of it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)

That's not an outie! That's an innie!

Posted by: Pete Buttgigger at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (0eaVi)

325 Release the LIST!!!!

And by list, I mean the payouts from the congressional slush fund........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)

326 Someone talked about sending a link to a post here to a libtard acquaintance and they called it all lies and dubbed it Ass of Spades.

We, of course, ran with it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

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Next year's TX MoMe needs to have an "Ass of Spades" contest!

Wifey says it would be easy to convert an Ace of Spades logo to an Ass of Spades ... lol

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (MpEy/)

327 'Morning!

I heard Musk say that Tesla was selling before the TC began.
I think it was put into place to help Government Motors,.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (Rbu5d)

328 I mean, the Spade logo DOES resemble an ass......albeit with something sticking out of it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

Which is completely normal. Well, at least after you're 8 or 9 and get your first buttplug.

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (JCZqz)

329 I don’t need to ever hear another word about Trump not being a conservative from those who would allow climate communism
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Samesies.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (myXhu)

330 Now destroy the Marxist EPA CAFE BS. Make V-8 Engines Great Again!
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at November 15, 2024 11:54 AM (TN5A0)

Best we can do is an overdriven turbocharged 4 cyl that will struggle to pull a trailer and will blow up at 120k miles.

Posted by: Ford at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (4qKFc)

331 286 Think that a president's decision to withdraw from a treaty, using the withdrawal provisions included in all treaties, is or should be subject in any way to judicial review.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Consistently since the 1790's, the doctrine has been the president is the foremost in foreign affairs. Congress made a hash of it consistently during the Revolutionary War and its aftermath. So the Framers were more worried about a president that acted like a king who had sole power in UK over treaty making, war, etc.

So Congress was given a check beyond mere funding on approving a treaty, going to war, or approving ambassadors etc.

But, that did not mean Congress had the power to negate a president declaring peace via neutrality (see Washington's Neutrality declaration), firing a Senate approved nominee (executive power-see Myers for final resolution of that), or Carter's Panama Canal/Taiwan negation of previous agreements.

Congress has a check but not a separate enumerated power on foreign affairs beyond the checkbook.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (ctrM5)

332
This illegal monster needs to fry.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM

All that have committed heinous crimes should. ALL of them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (Zz0t1)

333 The Maldives built a new international airport to handle all the vacation traffic they get.

As one does when one expects to be submerged any minute.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (xCA6C)

334 It's intended as a shot across the bow. But Thune ain't stupid. He knows it's barely a bottle rocket.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (iFTx/)

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Aggrieved powermad idiots tend to react poorly to paltry displays of defiance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (GBKbO)
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Don't worry. Kirk will write a strongly-worded letter next. That'll show Thune!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (iFTx/)

335 They filled in several acres of the ocean to build it

Bastards raping Morher Gaia...

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (ufFY8)

336 Little Orphan Karine no home yet.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 15, 2024 11:58 AM (aD39U)

337 It is REALLY hard to unseat an incumbent senator in a primary, much less leader of a caucus who has a lot of authority over where federal monies can go.

******

Hi there!
Posted by: The Names on Epstein's List

P Diddy's Party List has entered the chat

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 15, 2024 11:59 AM (b9Ycu)

338 I think Charlie Kirk meant remove Thune as Senate Majority Leader.
Posted by: ShainS

Did he? >_>>

Posted by: SFGoth at November 15, 2024 11:59 AM (KAi1n)

339 I'd like to know Trump's thoughts about controlling the House and Senate.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 15, 2024 11:59 AM (1I6o+)

340 "...the Senate is a body full of cowards who dislike going on the record with a vote..."
Which they proved, yet again, with their soooper special sekret vote for Majority Leader this week.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at November 15, 2024 11:59 AM (Rbu5d)

341 Carbon creatures bad.
Posted by: The Horta

Particularly pinche cabróns

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 12:00 PM (L/fGl)

342 It Turns Out, Hybrids Are Really Hard On Engines

Engineering Explained (YouTube): https://bit.ly/4fvOF5m

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM

Engine start/stop technology seems to be one of the biggest issues talked about.

2) Are the problems overblown? It depends! As mentioned in the video, it's completely scenario dependent on whether you build up water/fuel dilution over time. Modern hybrids will have algorithms to address this as much as possible - with scheduled longer run times to help boil off water. For long distances, you can get temps high enough, consistently enough, to get rid of water/fuel. Even still, versus non-hybrids, you will see lower average temperatures, and short trips can exacerbate this issue (especially if the engine is turning on/off during these trips).

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 15, 2024 12:00 PM (P5BPp)

343 Tell me you haven't read the previous comments without telling me you haven't read the previous comments.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:31 AM (xCA6C)

Apologies - I'm actually hard at work developing technology that will be used to research the drugs and pharmaceuticals of the future.

I read the content then post comments once I hit Shift-F5 on my databricks notebook job.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 15, 2024 12:00 PM (iaLH6)

344 Next year's TX MoMe needs to have an "Ass of Spades" contest!

I've already won. I'm the biggest ass sround.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 15, 2024 12:00 PM (b9Ycu)

345 Next year's TX MoMe needs to have an "Ass of Spades" contest!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM (MpEy/)

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I'm not entering. I have no ass to speak of.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 12:02 PM (DRSnL)

346 Bottom line on subsidies: Musk says he didn't ask for them and doesn't need them. Walks the walk.

The fact that Tesla has benefitted mightily from them to date is hardly surprising, since they are the largest EV carmaker in the world, by a long-shot. Like Trump's observation that he pays a lot of taxes.

Note that Wall Street analysts are starting to wake up to the fact that the company is far more than a car company. Most of its future value is being attributed its dominant position in:
- power storage
- robotics
- AI
- robotaxi ridesharing, etc.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 15, 2024 12:02 PM (gfztU)

347 Someone talked about sending a link to a post here to a libtard acquaintance and they called it all lies and dubbed it Ass of Spades.

We, of course, ran with it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024

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That was me who told that story. It's true; the BernieBro in my former writing group dismissed JJ's Morning Report as "all biased" and dubbed the site "Ass of Spades." If I ever see him again, I'll be sure to tell him that we were all flattered and enjoyed the nickname.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 15, 2024 12:02 PM (J2vNu)

348 Speaking of treaties, the one Obama made with Iran and finally relented on a Senate vote that was designed to be the opposite of the 2/3 majority to pass, as per constitution, should be able to be exited.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 15, 2024 12:02 PM (OKBY0)

349 Someone talked about sending a link to a post here to a libtard acquaintance and they called it all lies and dubbed it Ass of Spades.

We, of course, ran with it.
Posted by: Sponge
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Sigh, that stupid libtard is not well versed in the classics, Sgt. Dogberry in Much Ado About Nothing could teach the libtard how insults can be worn as a badge of honor. Aka Deplorable, Garbage people, etc.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 12:02 PM (ctrM5)

350 It is REALLY hard to unseat an incumbent senator

He has information that will put Hillary behind bars.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 15, 2024 12:03 PM (b9Ycu)

351 The Maldives built a new international airport to handle all the vacation traffic they get.

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Visit the Islands of Doom while there's still time!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 12:03 PM (L/fGl)

352 237
‘ Dems are happily cheating the people in 5 states from their choice of Senator. ’

You’re right to bring that up. The fact that no one on our side seems to have an answer for it has me seething.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 15, 2024 12:03 PM (jbnUc)

353 I'm not entering. I have no ass to speak of.
Posted by: Jordan61

Well, we could always invite Brie Larsen to make you competitive.

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 12:03 PM (v6JzV)

354 I'm not entering. I have no ass to speak of.
Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 12:02 PM (DRSnL)

*sobs*

Posted by: Brie Larson at November 15, 2024 12:03 PM (ufFY8)

355 > I think Charlie Kirk meant remove Thune as Senate Majority Leader.
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There was vote not long ago to replace McConnell as GOP leader after his repeated glitches.

It didn't succeed.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 15, 2024 12:03 PM (Q4IgG)

356 Best we can do is an overdriven turbocharged 4 cyl that will struggle to pull a trailer and will blow up at 120k miles.

But will it have a 2 foot long touch screen and massage seats?? here, take our money!!!

Posted by: Buyers at November 15, 2024 12:04 PM (NGHTx)

357 Three Chinooks just flew overhead, inbound to Fort Chaffee. Yay, the PX will be open this weekend if I need any booze.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 15, 2024 12:04 PM (gm9Sb)

358 We are going to have a recession first, it is already baked in. In fact, once the BLS numbers are adjusted to reality, it will be shown that we have been in recession since the fall of 2023.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 15, 2024 11:12 AM (lTGtQ)
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Not quite that dramatic, but we were in a recession in mid 2022, and only government spending has probably stopped us from falling in to one again. The economy is soft, inflation after effects are still creating a problem. Alot of garbage needs to be flushed. That will sticky things up initially.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 15, 2024 12:04 PM (GZYu7)

359 Haven't they actually risen due to plate tectonics?
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at November 15, 2024 11:47 AM (AiZBA)

I don't know. Seems like I'm always hearing that the ocean has been rising at a rate of about 1 foot per century - a remnant of the end of the Ice Age - but I really don't think there's really evidence of even that. I found a drawing of some sort of castle on the coast of England from 400 years ago, and it looked the same as modern day - you'd think a 4 foot rise would be obvious, but I saw nothing.

Where's all the water supposed to be coming from? 90% of the ice is sitting on Antarctica, and most of the rest is on Greenland. Despite the care talk regarding Greenland, it hasn't changed much overall. The idea that the southern polar ice cap is melting is hilarious - most of it is 40 below zero year-round.

Of course, even if the northern ice cap melted, that wouldn't change the sea level anyway, because it's not on land. Ice that melts in water doesn't change the water level.

Posted by: MrExcitement at November 15, 2024 12:04 PM (hOOi9)

360 The passenger automobile is the most difficult market, for many reasons. It has to operate in all types of weather and distance/speed conditions. It has to meet very strict safety standards. It has to meet reliability standards that we expect from almost no other product we use.

EV makers would have been much wiser to focus on building niche vehicles for niche markets, like forklifts for warehouse use or school buses. They could have tailored the designs for a much more limited use case.

The idea that EVs were ever going to replace passenger automobiles in the mass market was always delusional. Hybrids might grow in market share in coming decades, but the price of gasoline should be the main driver of that market-driven development.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 15, 2024 12:05 PM (r5tfK)

361 I think Charlie Kirk meant remove Thune as Senate Majority Leader.

Again, how?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (xCA6C)

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Can you say Senator Matt Gaetz?

j/k

I think Kirk is feeling his oats and (having taken some credit for helping Trump get elected), believes he can win (for lack of a better term) "Info Wars" against the Left and RINOs.

Basically thinks he and his organizations can put enough pressure on R Senator to overthrow Thune.

But, like you and TJM, he's wishcasting. There are literally trillions of dollars at stake, and he's way out of his league (despite the good works he's done and doing).

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 12:05 PM (MpEy/)

362 I've already won. I'm the biggest ass sround.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices

Dude.

Posted by: Whoopsie Goldberg at November 15, 2024 12:05 PM (L/fGl)

363 Ford and GM may just have to give up on the EV fairy-tale and go back to profitably manufacturing gasoline-powered cars for that huge mass market, while Tesla profitably corners the EV niche.

Exactly! Buck, you are 100% correct.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 15, 2024 12:05 PM (d9fT1)

364 Alaska is still counting ballots. Because of course they are. The ballot measure to nuke ranked choice voting was winning comfortably on election night. But now 10 days later, Surprise!!! The lead is down to less than 1%, only about 2000 votes. And there are 5 days left of “counting” to go.

That ballot measure is getting stolen. As is the at large house seat, which will probably go to the Dem using ranked choice. Just like she won the previous two elections. She finished 2nd in votes and won nonetheless after the black box of ranked choice counting was over.

This is how our sweet precious democracy is being saved by Democrats.

Posted by: It is Go Time Donald at November 15, 2024 12:05 PM (0tdpC)

365 I'm not entering. I have no ass to speak of.

Lucky for me, I checked to see if the Brie Larsen joke had already been done.

Apologies - I'm actually hard at work developing technology that will be used to research the drugs and pharmaceuticals of the future.

It was just a joke. I'm glad you're doing that work.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 12:05 PM (xCA6C)

366 *But, like you and TJM HAVE OBSERVED, he's wishcasting.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 12:06 PM (MpEy/)

367 Ass of Spades?

I resemble that remark.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at November 15, 2024 12:06 PM (+H2BX)

368 Of course, even if the northern ice cap melted, that wouldn't change the sea level anyway, because it's not on land. Ice that melts in water doesn't change the water level. Posted by: MrExcitement at November 15, 2024 12:04 PM (hOOi9)

Fun experiment: Fill up a glass with ice cubes and water right to the brim. Leave it out until the ice melts. See what happens to the water level.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 15, 2024 12:07 PM (r5tfK)

369 I'm going to burn a tire in celebration!

Posted by: Sassy Fred at November 15, 2024 12:07 PM (RMjVS)

370 Someone talked about sending a link to a post here to a libtard acquaintance and they called it all lies and dubbed it Ass of Spades.

We, of course, ran with it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:53 AM

I missed that. LMAO! Rule 34.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 15, 2024 12:07 PM (kgE5c)

371 Trump can certainly kill the EV mandate as that did not come from congress and is not contained in any law. What he can't do is turn off the EV tax credit money, that money is baked into the "inflation reduction" act and has to be turned off by congress.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 15, 2024 12:08 PM (QNSds)

372 Fun experiment: Fill up a glass with ice cubes and water right to the brim. Leave it out until the ice melts. See what happens to the water level.

You call that fun? Now, if you filled it up with ice and Scotch...

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 12:08 PM (xCA6C)

373 They're right about tesla's...My two Nieces have bought at least 3 each over the last couple years

Posted by: It's me donna at November 15, 2024 12:08 PM (IyPmt)

374 See what happens to the water level.

I remember that from Jr. High School. LOL

Posted by: no one of any consequence at November 15, 2024 12:08 PM (+H2BX)

375 The king ass of spades is and always has been, TheJamesMadison, the asshole.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)

376 351 The Maldives built a new international airport to handle all the vacation traffic they get.

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Visit the Islands of Doom while there's still time!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 12:03 PM (L/fGl)

I swear I read that there was some initiative to move people off the islands, maybe about 20 years ago. I think they only ever managed to move about 2000 people.

They've been trying to shake down the rest of the world for money because of this fantasy. Over half the population still thinks they're "going swimming" eventually. Some people never learn.

It's hilarious.

Posted by: MrExcitement at November 15, 2024 12:09 PM (hOOi9)

377 I'm not entering. I have no ass to speak of.

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 12:02 PM (DRSnL)

Oh, honey. compared to me, you're Kim Kardashian.

Posted by: Brie Larson at November 15, 2024 12:09 PM (eDfFs)

378 Trump can certainly kill the EV mandate as that did not come from congress and is not contained in any law.

—

Isn’t it part of the so called Inflation Reduction Act?

Posted by: It is Go Time Donald at November 15, 2024 12:09 PM (0tdpC)

379 Remember, the use of "ass" as an insult originated with its longer form "jackass," meaning a fool, and was not in reference to the derrriere.

So, hee haw, everybody!

Posted by: Bulg at November 15, 2024 12:09 PM (v6JzV)

380 They've been trying to shake down the rest of the world for money because of this fantasy.

That's exactly what they've been doing.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 12:09 PM (xCA6C)

381
You’re right to bring that up. The fact that no one on our side seems to have an answer for it has me seething.

Posted by: Dr. Claw

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They've given a very clear answer. There is a sweet spot in terms of majority - they get to keep their previous gavel, but with a small enough majority to keep up Failure Theater.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 15, 2024 12:10 PM (8AONa)

382 yes weak on invective,

why did they have their secreet vote,

Posted by: no 6 at November 15, 2024 12:10 PM (pGTZo)

383 Fun experiment: Fill up a glass with ice cubes and water right to the brim. Leave it out until the ice melts. See what happens to the water level.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 15, 2024

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The water the ice cube displaced will be replaced with . . . water. If you took the ice cube out with a spoon and set the cube to melt in another glass, the level in the glass would go down. Adding back the melted water would bring it up to the same level.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 15, 2024 12:10 PM (J2vNu)

384 >>> Next year's TX MoMe needs to have an "Ass of Spades" contest!

I always assumed that was tucked in between the wet t-shirt contest and jello wrestling.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 15, 2024 12:11 PM (wcIbG)

385 I'll be sure to tell him that we were all flattered and enjoyed the nickname.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Only deplorable garbage would be flattered by that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, deplorable garbage at November 15, 2024 12:11 PM (XeU6L)

386 Just saw this On Topic:

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 2h
NEW: Ron Baron sees Tesla worth $5 trillion in 10 years, says Musk eyeing $30 trillion value one day - CNBC

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 15, 2024 12:11 PM (hovnC)

387 372 Fun experiment: Fill up a glass with ice cubes and water right to the brim. Leave it out until the ice melts. See what happens to the water level.

You call that fun? Now, if you filled it up with ice and Scotch...
Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 12:08 PM (xCA6C)

That wouldn't be much of an experiment. The "water" level would "magically" drop, and drop, and drop some more...

Because, SCIENCE!

Posted by: MrExcitement at November 15, 2024 12:11 PM (hOOi9)

388 so they let them steal three senate seats, with an option for four, nevada arizona and michigan

Posted by: no 6 at November 15, 2024 12:11 PM (pGTZo)

389 Read an article about months ago showing data that Antarctica has more ice in thickness area coverage than 10 years ago and longer. Same with the Arctic ice pack. "Climate Change" and "Global Warming" has been BS since day one. The earth, in the northern hemisphere has been warming since the of the last ice age 10000-20000 years ago.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at November 15, 2024 12:12 PM (TN5A0)

390 267
‘ A complete round up of the Obama and Biden and Clinton families’

Thanks a lot! Now I have to go to the doctor.
(Moves steering wheel out of way)

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 15, 2024 12:12 PM (jbnUc)

391 348 Speaking of treaties, the one Obama made with Iran and finally relented on a Senate vote that was designed to be the opposite of the 2/3 majority to pass, as per constitution, should be able to be exited.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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That shitshow came from a 2015 law passed by Congress and reluctantly signed by Obama. H.R.1191 - Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015. That setup a 60 day timetable to disapprove of Obama's JCPOA agreement with Iran and to forbid waiving existing sanctions, etc. with Iran.

That set up a stupid Senate failure theater votes,
"Senate cast the first vote regarding the deal on September 10, 2015. Senate Democrats filibustered the measure to disapprove of the Iran nuclear deal by a vote of 58-42. Sixty votes were needed to proceed to HJ Res 61 - the Hire More Heroes Act of 2015, the legislative vehicle the Senate was expected to use to disapprove of the Iran nuclear deal. The Senate voted on the same legislation on September 15, 2015, and it failed for a second time to by a vote of 56-42. The legislation was voted on for a third time on September 17, and it failed for a third time by a vote of 56-42." Rand and Rubio did not vote 2nd or 3rd.

Posted by: whig at November 15, 2024 12:12 PM (ctrM5)

392 I'll be sure to tell him that we were all flattered and enjoyed the nickname.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Only deplorable garbage would be flattered by that.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, deplorable garbage at November 15, 2024 1

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"What we are, we are."
( -- Tennyson)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 15, 2024 12:12 PM (J2vNu)

393 Bottom line on subsidies: Musk says he didn't ask for them and doesn't need them. Walks the walk.

The fact that Tesla has benefitted mightily from them to date is hardly surprising, since they are the largest EV carmaker in the world, by a long-shot. Like Trump's observation that he pays a lot of taxes.

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This is delusional. There wouldn’t even be a Tesla without massive subsidies, stolen from taxpayers and purchasers of ICE vehicles.

Time to claw back the tax credits and regulatory credits.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director and Pfizer Board Member at November 15, 2024 12:12 PM (4qKFc)

394 NOOD

Posted by: Jordan61 at November 15, 2024 12:12 PM (DRSnL)

395 Next year's TX MoMe needs to have an "Ass of Spades" contest!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:57 AM

Please vote:

Sid
Paul
Average Joe
Raimondo

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 15, 2024 12:13 PM (kgE5c)

396 Those who preach that the icecaps are melting do so to discourage us from our relentless march northward. We will not be bullied, nor lied to. We are coming to all northern climes and will have our representatives in all 3,400 counties in the USA. Get on board with our plan, or suffer the consequences.

Posted by: Penguin Promotion Board at November 15, 2024 12:13 PM (nS6qG)

397 The water the ice cube displaced will be replaced with . . . water. If you took the ice cube out with a spoon and set the cube to melt in another glass, the level in the glass would go down. Adding back the melted water would bring it up to the same level. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 15, 2024 12:10 PM (J2vNu)

@Wolfus, ice floats because it's less dense than liquid water. There is less water in the same space. When the glass of ice water melts, the level of water goes down.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 15, 2024 12:13 PM (r5tfK)

398 Ice is slightly less dense than water. That’s why it floats. There is a small increase in volume going from ice>water. But, ice floating in water displaces the water volume equal to its mass. It’s enough to make your head spin.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 15, 2024 12:13 PM (ZBPS6)

399 Waiting for the usual suspects to whine that Elon Musk has a monopoly on the EV market, and should be broken up. My considered response to that? Fuck off!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 15, 2024 12:13 PM (z1Ng5)

400 There were/are a lot of "mandates" the *biden junta decreed that were never actually codified in any way. Most of them were restrictions on things the left, their business partners and so on readily agreed with.... so they "just sort of were adopted."

Or policies that increased this or that... but to the benefit of one or more leftist entities.

With Trump, attempting to make April 3rd "National Hair Spray Day" would be fought tooth and nail by the Democrats.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 15, 2024 12:14 PM (Q4IgG)

401 Nood Obama exorcism.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 15, 2024 12:14 PM (aYubz)

402 cerwinlive@cerwinliveIG
Democrats could form a “shadow cabinet” to oppose Trump’s agenda.

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Sounds like a Dark Shadows cabinet.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 12:15 PM (L/fGl)

403 @378

>>Isn’t it part of the so called Inflation Reduction Act?

Just a quick reading of it, the only thing it specifies is the allocation of funds for different credit and subsidy schemes but doesn't mandate anything.

Like most legislation it's simply vast sums of money that the well connected will dip their beaks in while very little of it is used to accomplish it's stated goals.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 15, 2024 12:15 PM (XV/Pl)

404 Two concerns:
First, I agree with Trump on the climate crap treaty and ending EV subsidies and mandates. Howsomever.... I can see a scenario where the Dems get back in power, turn the the EV mandates back on, and we're forced to buy Chinese EVs (to the great pleasure of many globalist elites.) Not sure how to head that off except by winning every frickin election which has never happened.
Second, one of RFK's plans is elimination of pesticides. You cannot feed the USA on organic farming. Sri Lanka tried it and went from a net food exporter to food riots in 2 years. While RFK has some good points, this one really scares me. I tried an organic spray for codling moths and other insects on my 3 apple trees one year. Lost the whole crop.

Posted by: George V at November 15, 2024 12:15 PM (ugbqN)

405 I read a post today that suggested Trump should submit the Paris Climate Treaty to the Senate, and make them publicly vote it down. I'm not sure that's a risk I want to take. They might just ratify the thing.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

Yep. All too many One World Government scum on both sides of the aisle. Root them out.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 15, 2024 12:16 PM (z1Ng5)

406
Killing the Paris Climate Commune with a stroke of a pen is fine, but I'd much rather see OrangeManBad going all Patrice de MacMahon on the Commune.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 15, 2024 12:16 PM (y9nCu)

407 383 Fun experiment: Fill up a glass with ice cubes and water right to the brim. Leave it out until the ice melts. See what happens to the water level.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 15, 2024

If only Robert had added some ice and water to his beverages last night, he wouldn't be hiding under the covers with every cell in his body in a war against him.

Posted by: Friend of Bill at November 15, 2024 12:17 PM (nS6qG)

408 Trump likes winning Iowa. I imagine JD does, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at November 15, 2024 11:05 AM (AdHga)

Simple solution: end the ethanol mandate; replace it with a subsidy to grow masa corn to produce low-cost corn flour products to be distributed in Central America, thereby reducing the cost of living there, and ending one of the drivers for illegal immigration.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 15, 2024 12:20 PM (z1Ng5)

409 Maybe now they can do something about those 100k dollar trucks.

Posted by: Wardo at November 15, 2024 12:22 PM (6Zxan)

410 Again, how?
Posted by: Archimedes at November 15, 2024 11:56 AM (xCA6C)

Skeletons, closet. Some revelation required. Maybe even some fabrication. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 15, 2024 01:01 PM (VN7Rp)

411 Every day of our brave new world I wonder what new event will cause splody heads! Have a fun Friday and weekend, MORONS! Whee!

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 15, 2024 01:05 PM (gi+MR)

412 Following the German government as best as I can...Right now they have what they call the 'Stop Light' government. The Reds, the yellows and the greens, all scrapping for power.

Posted by: Colin at November 15, 2024 01:28 PM (wlQdF)

413 GM and the others will make money on the profitable gas cars and Tesla can have the EV niche, just like Nokia made money on the profitable dumb phones and Apple had the smartphone niche.

How did that work out for Nokia?

GM and the others need to go EV. This is a technological change and we aren't far from gas cars being the niche.

It already happened in China.

Posted by: mr_jack at November 15, 2024 02:16 PM (LNPSJ)

414 Ford and GM may just have to give up on the EV fairy-tale and go back to profitably manufacturing gasoline-powered cars for that huge mass market, while Tesla profitably corners the EV niche.

Wouldn't this give Tesla a monopoly, which is allegedly illegal in the United States?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 15, 2024 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

Tesla isn't forbidding them to compete, he just has outcompeting them.

Tesla could even sell the battery compartment part, assuming that is the hard part) to all comers for a modest profit, or a smaller short range version for a local runabout to competitors who want something for a different market.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 15, 2024 02:17 PM (n7h9X)

415 Somebody on the America in the Morning news roundup on my local Hannity radio station was saying, "Tariffs would drive the price of everything up for the consumer!" Yes, but if we have no income tax, the cost of fuel is lower, and we can buy many or most of our necessities and luxuries from American companies, where's the problem?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (J2vNu)

That was what was so stupid about the sanctions on Russia. They have all the resources in the world locally. They make most of their own stuff aside from very specialized items and are improving local tech for that. So they can't buy Froot Loops, that isn't gonna break them.

Making snooty French Wines somewhat more expensive isn't going to hurt anyone.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 15, 2024 02:22 PM (n7h9X)

416 GM and the others need to go EV. This is a technological change and we aren't far from gas cars being the niche.

It already happened in China.
Posted by: mr_jack at November 15, 2024 02:16 PM (LNPSJ)

There are serious problems with EV outside of major cities, when they get wet, hot, or cold, or in trucks. They also increase wear on the roads. Recharging takes serious time and there is no infastructure for it.

The government has been trying to force it rather than let economics work naturally.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 15, 2024 02:25 PM (n7h9X)

417 EOs can obviously -- as done before in this matter -- be easily overturned.

Get Congressional Legislation passed ASAP (and threaten to destroy all RINOs who don't play ball) that ends this idiocy once and for all time.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Evil Child-Murdering, -Raping, and -Mutilating Left Elected Trump #47 at November 15, 2024 11:07 AM (MpEy/)

legislation can also get overturned if the other side gets a majority. Its harder, sure.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 15, 2024 02:28 PM (n7h9X)

418 cerwinlive@cerwinliveIG
Democrats could form a “shadow cabinet” to oppose Trump’s agenda.

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Sounds like a Dark Shadows cabinet.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 15, 2024 12:15 PM (L/fGl)

The more the Dems talk about what they want to do the more they lose. And the whole idea is stolen from Europe where the minority party has to be ready to start literally at a days notice to form a government.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 15, 2024 02:30 PM (n7h9X)

419 Following the German government as best as I can...Right now they have what they call the 'Stop Light' government. The Reds, the yellows and the greens, all scrapping for power.
Posted by: Colin at November 15, 2024 01:28 PM (wlQdF)

The problem in Germany is governments get voted out, then they just add another fragment party since they all believe pretty much the same thing. And they all plot to make the second largest party there, the AfD, illegal. The electorate has been voting out the elite for about 5 years now in various races (they have elections in a state there, like CA, staggered so nothing changes.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 15, 2024 02:34 PM (n7h9X)

420 #416 I have been driving a Tesla since 2018 and I have no problems in wet, hot, or cold. My car is heavy but lighter than pickup trucks. The Tesla Model 3 is only about a hundred pounds heavier than a BMW 3-series. Charging is no problem for me and I don't expect problems generally in future.

Agreed that the government has tried to force it, but no need to force it anymore. EVs are ready.

Posted by: mr_jack at November 15, 2024 04:09 PM (EU51B)

421 The Paris Agreement just another plan by the UN/CFR/Globalists the whole thing needs tossed in the Trash with all the rest of the UN Treaties

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at November 15, 2024 04:59 PM (wGqjj)

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