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Generative AI doesn't have a coherent understanding of the world. (MIT)

No fucking shit. Thanks to the big brains at MIT for bringing us this world-shattering news.
The researchers found that a popular type of generative AI model can provide turn-by-turn driving directions in New York City with near-perfect accuracy — without having formed an accurate internal map of the city.
Despite the model's uncanny ability to navigate effectively, when the researchers closed some streets and added detours, its performance plummeted.
When they dug deeper, the researchers found that the New York maps the model implicitly generated had many nonexistent streets curving between the grid and connecting far away intersections.
It's a stochastic parrot. We know.
This could have serious implications for generative AI models deployed in the real world, since a model that seems to be performing well in one context might break down if the task or environment slightly changes.
Again, anyone who has used AI for more than a couple of minutes is fully aware of this.
"We needed test beds where we know what the world model is. Now, we can rigorously think about what it means to recover that world model," Vafa explains.
It doesn't have one.
The researchers demonstrated the implications of this by adding detours to the map of New York City, which caused all the navigation models to fail.
Yep.

Years ago, engineers tried using genetic algorithms to optimise a particular electronic circuit to use fewer transistors. They got a result that worked, but nobody could explain how.

Turned out it worked by the coincidental passive properties of the circuit, and not due to the transistors. The moment you made the slightest change to the operating conditions, it failed entirely.

Disclaimer: Unless I have to work late. If I have to work late, which I usually do...

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:00 AM

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1 G'Day everyone

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2024 04:01 AM (fwDg9)

2 Pixytime!

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:01 AM (VnUSN)

3 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at November 11, 2024 04:02 AM (9aoqX)

4 from the ONT:

506 Pixy's up!
Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:01 AM (VnUSN)

507 TECH THREAD IS NOOD
Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2024 04:02 AM (fwDg9)

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:02 AM (VnUSN)

5 I should be working Saturday, so a long week coming

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2024 04:04 AM (fwDg9)

6 G'morning Horde

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 11, 2024 04:06 AM (O7YUW)

7 Pixy, I have a friend traveling in 'stralia, currently in Perth, loving it.

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:06 AM (VnUSN)

8 AI ain't ready for prime time? Huh.

youtube.com/watch?v=46mdcjHpjbQ

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:08 AM (njWTi)

9 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at November 11, 2024 04:08 AM (dg+HA)

10 Evening and morning to all the AoSHQ outpost across the solar system and beyond! (Yes, Titan, Donald Trump is going to improve funding for you too.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 04:08 AM (omVj0)

11 Mornin' Wolfus!

How are you today?

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:09 AM (njWTi)

12 Reverse Turing Test Experiment with AIs (YouTube) (6:36)

https://tinyurl.com/ykn7aft6

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:10 AM (VnUSN)

13 G'morning, all.

At ain't AI, but my old Garmin would simply say.....'recalculating'.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 04:11 AM (a1415)

14 Good morning, good people, from the Adirondacks where we can't decide if it's fall or not, by the temperatures.

73 the other day. However, may all effort this day result immense benefit to you and equal consternation to them leftwits among us.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at November 11, 2024 04:11 AM (hKoQL)

15 So it turns out that "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."* is actually "Thou can not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

This is my shocked face.

* Frank Herbert, Dune, excerpt from the 'Orange Bible'

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 11, 2024 04:12 AM (O7YUW)

16 Short post this morning because I'm still at work. Bleh.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 11, 2024 04:12 AM (BLOW1)

17 May your work be successful, Pixy!

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:14 AM (njWTi)

18 And thank you for the thread!!

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:14 AM (njWTi)

19 Mornin' IG!

We will get a small taste of Winter this week. Because I don't have the snow tires on yet, of course...

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:15 AM (njWTi)

20 67.7 degrees out with 99%RH.

Not bad for the morning walk in a bit.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 04:15 AM (a1415)

21 Finally got some rain. Yesterday evening and this morning. Still need more but it was nice.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at November 11, 2024 04:17 AM (9aoqX)

22 It was 50F while I mowed yesterday & began to rain as I was raking up afterward.

Just waiting for the rest of the leaves to fall now.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:18 AM (njWTi)

23 As an update to our story, more than half of the escaped monkeys from that research lab have now been returned to the facility.

Mrs VIA pointed ou to me yesterday that you haven't heard a peep out of PETA about this.

Does seem kinda out of the ordinary for those folks.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 04:19 AM (a1415)

24 It rained here finally last night

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2024 04:19 AM (fwDg9)

25 Got a plumber coming by this afternoon. Think I'll get some sleep. Maybe. Haven't slept well lately.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at November 11, 2024 04:19 AM (9aoqX)

26 We got rain the other day.

Now the evacuations begin.

https://tinyurl.com/4h8tewjk

S.C. voted overwhelmingly for Trump, so we probably won't see any Federal aid.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 04:21 AM (a1415)

27 Hello, JQ! No neck pain, ready to go work out. How about you?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 04:23 AM (omVj0)

28 G'night, Puddleglum.

youtube.com/watch?v=KfGBQHM1EzI

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:23 AM (njWTi)

29 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:26 AM (hoCmQ)

30 No neck pain, ready to go work out.
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That's AWESOME, Wolfus! Glad to hear it!

Doin' okay here. Can't complain, though I do so often

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:26 AM (njWTi)

31 Pixy, how did your katsudon turn out? (Assuming you've had dinner.)

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:28 AM (hoCmQ)

32 Mmmm, katsudon.......

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:30 AM (njWTi)

33 Oops, just saw your comment about still at work. Guess you haven't had your katsudon, yet.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:32 AM (hoCmQ)

34 stochastic parrot:

🦜

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:33 AM (VnUSN)

35 Yeah, Pixy mentioned on food thread he was having it, JQ. I wouldn't have know what it was without his description.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:33 AM (hoCmQ)

36 Very mild temps here in the north valley. Began putting some old puppy chow out for a very skinny stray cat. The first week I refilled the tray three times daily. She gorged for a week.Then cut rations to one handful per day, but not on a schedule. No routines, food appears morning, noon or late in the day. I want her out and about foraging and to find a home, just not my home.

Posted by: 13times at November 11, 2024 04:34 AM (r4YhQ)

37 Katsudon was my go-to for breakfast or lunch when off-base in Misawa.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 04:38 AM (njWTi)

38 The wikipedia entry on "stochastic parrot" is a short read and full of information and illustrative examples.

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:42 AM (VnUSN)

39 JD Vance says US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms.

Posted by: 13times at November 11, 2024 04:43 AM (jsqVJ)

40 31 Pixy, how did your katsudon turn out? (Assuming you've had dinner.)
Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:28 AM (hoCmQ)

They're eating the kats-udon!

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:43 AM (VnUSN)

41 High of 67 today. Currently 46. Yesterday got up to 75.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:44 AM (hoCmQ)

42 They're eating the dogs-udon!

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:45 AM (hoCmQ)

43 For the record, I'm not tired of winning.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 11, 2024 04:46 AM (dg+HA)

44 Thank you Veterans for your service.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:48 AM (hoCmQ)

45 BOING & BUMP!

Mrs. BD reversed into a taxi about 2 hours ago. I got insurance paperwork to do.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 11, 2024 04:51 AM (R06Wo)

46 JD Vance, first Marine to serve as VP, wished his fellow Marines a Happy 249th Birthday yesterday.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 11, 2024 04:52 AM (hoCmQ)

47 Think about this.
If JD Vance runs for office in 2028 and then gets reelected in 2032, his last full day in office as commander in chief is January 19, 2037.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 11, 2024 04:55 AM (dg+HA)

48 🇺🇸

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 04:59 AM (VnUSN)

49 Hope CBD does an Asian Food Thread soon. I gots cravings now for all the delicacies thereof. Except fugu.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:02 AM (njWTi)

50 The researchers found that a popular type of generative AI model can provide turn-by-turn driving directions in New York City with near-perfect accuracy — without having formed an accurate internal map of the city.

A Garmin or Gurgle Maps isn't good enough for these money grabbing plonkers?

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:04 AM (p/tNs)

51 Except fugu.
Posted by: JQ

You watch your phraseology!

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:05 AM (p/tNs)

52 Trying to get motivated

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2024 05:06 AM (fwDg9)

53 Haha, but if I'd said "blowfish" ???...

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:06 AM (njWTi)

54 Haha, but if I'd said "blowfish" ???...

Posted by: JQ

HA!

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:08 AM (p/tNs)

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:09 AM (njWTi)

56 Is it just me, or does Joe Biden seem to suddenly be unburdened by that which has been?

Plus, didn't he come from a middle-class family?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 05:10 AM (a1415)

57 "Who lost in 2024?"

Celebrities.

This is a very good article by Daniel Greenfield at "FrontPage" magazine. I've enjoyed his writing and from his picture he looks like a kind man.

Kamala couldn't figure this.? Everybody except she and her campaign staff could.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 05:11 AM (V67C1)

58 53 Haha, but if I'd said "blowfish" ???...
Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:06 AM (njWTi)

You mean, like:

Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 11, 2024 04:12 AM (BLOW1)

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 05:11 AM (VnUSN)

59 Meant "figure" this out?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 05:11 AM (V67C1)

60 Sorry. Forgot the link. D'oh. Haven't woken up yet:

https://tinyurl.com/mumtmh56

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 05:13 AM (V67C1)

61 Kammy must actually *be* as dumb as she seems.

The whole USA, along with DJT, dodged a bullet.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:13 AM (njWTi)

62 Is it just me, or does Joe Biden seem to suddenly be unburdened by that which has been?

Plus, didn't he come from a middle-class family?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

He probably can't stop giggling on how he messed up allllll the plans.
Like the Scooby Doo gang

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:13 AM (p/tNs)

63 It's Pixy's thread. Pixy can say BLOW without taking any flak for it, I reckon.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:15 AM (njWTi)

64 Would like to hang around and chat, but I've got lots of pardons to write!

Posted by: Alleged Doctor Jill Biden at November 11, 2024 05:16 AM (dg+HA)

65 An hour-long interview with Victor Davis Hanson about the recent election. The interviewer is not a nitwit and asked relevant thoughtful questions.

https://youtu.be/nhrDvXILhkQ

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 05:17 AM (Ds5LZ)

66 Warmer than it's been but very damp.
But still put flag up for Veterans day
🫡
Forward Dog 9 out

Posted by: Skip at November 11, 2024 05:20 AM (fwDg9)

67 Good morning!

JD Vance, first Marine to serve as VP, wished his fellow Marines a Happy 249th Birthday yesterday.

The E4 mafia is real.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 11, 2024 05:20 AM (3Ope8)

68 Time to go get ready for the morning walk.

BBIAB.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 05:21 AM (a1415)

69 Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:05 AM (p/tNs)

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 05:21 AM (CwoAk)

70 No fucking shit. Thanks to the big brains at MIT for bringing us this world-shattering news.

--

My wife and I were just having a discussion about non-med doctoral degrees after an acquaintance posted something about having just successfully defended her thesis. I told her I was willing to bet that almost no one flunks out of those programs.

No one wants to discourage the student loans with some wrong-headed idea that the students might potentially not pass.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 05:23 AM (76AbC)

71 No one wants to discourage the student loans with some wrong-headed idea that the students might potentially not pass.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Cheech and Chong bit from "Let's Make a Dope Deal!"

"Bob has a BA, a MA, a PHD and is a BMF besides. Say Bob, what do you do for a living?"

Bob: "Make candles"

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:30 AM (p/tNs)

72 Fugu toxin was the stuff Ian Fleming had the Russians, in the person of Rosa Klebb, use to nearly kill Bond at the end of From Russia With Love (novel). Sir James Molony, M's medical officer, told us about it at the beginning of Doctor No. As he said, "They might just as well have used curare. Trust the Russians to use something nobody's ever heard of."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 05:34 AM (omVj0)

73 Forbes: Trump Says Former ICE Head Tom Homan Will Serve As His ‘Border Czar’—Here’s What He’s Said About Mass Deportations

https://is.gd/ZvMjeI

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 05:35 AM (Ds5LZ)

74 Big black Stirling cat is curled up on the cushion next to me. Little Dagny, for a wonder, is in the room, sitting on one of the dinette chairs.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 05:36 AM (omVj0)

75 When asked about carrying out mass deportations without separating families, the former acting ICE chief said “Of course there is…Families can be deported together.”

--

FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 05:38 AM (76AbC)

76 Frm the Forbes article...."When we go out there we’ll know who we’re looking for and most probably where they're going to be and this will be done in a humane manner.”

Crap, I'm thinking not trebuchets then.

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:38 AM (p/tNs)

77 Also from the Forbes article...

"Homan also served as a contributor to Project 2025—the controversial hard-right blueprint for the next conservative White House administration which the Trump administration has tried to distance itself from."

Man, they just keep picking that 2025 string. What's next, Russian peeing hookers?

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:39 AM (p/tNs)

78 Cat is outside, hunting. Good kitteh!

He'll be in tomorrow night, probably, when it gets frosty out there.

I will set up his heated water bowl tomorrow.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:40 AM (njWTi)

79 Anybody have link(s) to this Project 2025 we keep hearing about?

If it actually exists, it probably needs a good fisking.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:43 AM (njWTi)

80 "Homan also served as a contributor to Project 2025—the controversial hard-right blueprint for the next conservative White House administration which the Trump administration has tried to distance itself from."

Man, they just keep picking that 2025 string. What's next, Russian peeing hookers?
Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024

***
It's probably not "hard-right" enough. Their idea of "hard-right" is more than likely "having enough well-trained cops to prevent crime and arrest suspects, and said cops having the right to shoot to defend themselves."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 05:45 AM (omVj0)

81 Anybody have link(s) to this Project 2025 we keep hearing about?

If it actually exists, it probably needs a good fisking.
Posted by: JQ

https://tinyurl.com/yc2u5fhy

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:46 AM (p/tNs)

82 Biggest thing, I guess, that's in the Project 2025 literature is ....NO abortions!!!

OMG!!!

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:47 AM (p/tNs)

83 Thanks, Bruce!

Wow, that's quite a reading assignment. Bet it isn't nearly as "bad" as the idiots claim, LOL.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:48 AM (njWTi)

84 Off to do some stuff,

I'll play Taps at 11:00 am at the cemetery.

Posted by: Bruce at November 11, 2024 05:49 AM (p/tNs)

85
RNC Research
@RNCResearch
Nov 9
Biden is back in Delaware for another vacation at his beach house.

He has now spent 560 days — 40.3% of his presidency — on vacation.

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 05:51 AM (VnUSN)

86 NYTimes: "One major question is whether the new administration will implement large-scale worksite raids that could lead to the arrest of unauthorized workers. Mr. Homan said on CBS’s “60 Minutes” last month that such raids, which have not been conducted under President Biden, would resume under the new administration. Mr. Trump takes office on Jan. 20."

https://archive.ph/QcYRs

The power bill from Resistance 2.0 Is going to be enormous.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 05:51 AM (Ds5LZ)

87 Have a great day, all.

Time for a nap.

Posted by: JQ at November 11, 2024 05:54 AM (njWTi)

88 "CBS's 60 Minutes."
Ha!

Posted by: It's still a thing? at November 11, 2024 05:55 AM (dg+HA)

89 Biden is back in Delaware for another vacation at his beach house.

He has now spent 560 days — 40.3% of his presidency — on vacation.
Posted by: m at November 11, 2024

***
No wonder he looked happy for the first time in years last week. Jill's been giving him more ice cream, and he doesn't have to travel to strange places and talk to strange people. A lot less stress for his simple mind.

Whaddaya want to bet Jill wrote up the "garbage" speech for him and coached him on it beforehand? Or has that already been proved true?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 05:56 AM (omVj0)

90 "Our rescue"

Man from NY state reflects on Matthew 14: 22-33
the story of Peter being afraid in the storm on the water and Jesus' response to him and to us:

tinyurl.com/3m72mt54

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 05:57 AM (ntmW6)

91 NYTimes: "One major question is whether the new administration will implement large-scale worksite raids that could lead to the arrest of unauthorized workers. Mr. Homan said on CBS’s “60 Minutes” last month that such raids, which have not been conducted under President Biden, would resume under the new administration. Mr. Trump takes office on Jan. 20."

https://archive.ph/QcYRs

The power bill from Resistance 2.0 Is going to be enormous.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024

***
Oh, please let that happen. And let a lot of the invaders self-deport ahead of time so they won't be caught in the nets.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 05:57 AM (omVj0)

92 I remembered that Realtor's ad about "Leaving the country? Let's get your home sold" and posted something similar on X. LOL

Posted by: no one of any consequence at November 11, 2024 05:57 AM (+H2BX)

93 No wonder he looked happy for the first time in years last week. Jill's been giving him more ice cream
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 05:56 AM (omVj0)
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Jill is way ahead of Joe:

https://tinyurl.com/yu6tb36e

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 11, 2024 05:58 AM (R06Wo)

94 Fining companies that can't correlate their payrolls to E-verify and shutting off all federal payments and benefits for illegal aliens would be a good start. Shut off all aid to any country that refuses repatriation, too.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 11, 2024 05:58 AM (3Ope8)

95 He has now spent 560 days — 40.3% of his presidency — on vacation. Posted by: m

What is not stated is he probably spends 20% of his time getting ready to go on vacation and 20% of his time recovering from vacation.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 05:59 AM (Ds5LZ)

96 What is not stated is he probably spends 20% of his time getting ready to go on vacation and 20% of his time recovering from vacation.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 05:59 AM (Ds5LZ)
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Isn't that all of us???

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 11, 2024 06:01 AM (R06Wo)

97 Isn't that all of us???
Posted by: Biden's Dog

For the Win!

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 06:02 AM (Ds5LZ)

98 93 Jill is way ahead of Joe:

https://tinyurl.com/yu6tb36e
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 11, 2024 05:58 AM (R06Wo)

Stunning that Team Biden let that be seen.

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 06:03 AM (VnUSN)

99 Morning, Tech Peeps

Posted by: fluffy at November 11, 2024 06:05 AM (86W+h)

100 100

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 06:05 AM (VnUSN)

101 Welp....it's raining.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 06:05 AM (a1415)

102 Biggest thing, I guess, that's in the Project 2025 literature is ....NO abortions!!!
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I've slowly become an abolitionist. No abortions period, under any circumstances. That said, I'm also a 10th Amendment nutjob that believes the Constitution means what it says and states have the say in if babies can be killed. That way if you don't like it you move to another state. Or, conversely, move to the state to kill all them babies. Also apply to guns, EVs, gas cans, etc.

This was very astutely pointed out yesterday:

"Imagine teaching a child that the worst thing about rape is the possibility of getting pregnant.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd "

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 06:07 AM (76AbC)

103 Steelers' winning streak erased
$ 600, 000 debt of local Veterans:

https://tinyurl.com/2yykm6as

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 06:07 AM (ntmW6)

104 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 11, 2024 06:08 AM (z0QHk)

105 73 Forbes: Trump Says Former ICE Head Tom Homan Will Serve As His ‘Border Czar’—Here’s What He’s Said About Mass Deportations

https://is.gd/ZvMjeI
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 05:35 AM (Ds5LZ)

at archive.is

https://archive.is/Qi5BS

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 06:08 AM (VnUSN)

106 "Unauthorized workers"

They just can't bring themselves to use the "I" word.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 11, 2024 06:08 AM (PiwSw)

107 The power button on Apple's new Mac Mini is on the bottom of the device. I would like to have that job at Apple, the one where you make everybody's life more miserable.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 06:08 AM (Ds5LZ)

108 102 I'm also a 10th Amendment nutjob that believes the Constitution means what it says and states have the say in if babies can be killed. That way if you don't like it you move to another state. Or, conversely, move to the state to kill all them babies. Also apply to guns
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 06:07 AM (76AbC)

guns: 2nd amendment

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 06:09 AM (VnUSN)

109 Sisters sing lovely version of a Christian song, "You raise me up.":

https://tinyurl.com/2j2jn6dy

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 06:12 AM (ntmW6)

110 They just can't bring themselves to use the "I" word.

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That's part of the big problem with the cat eaters in Ohio. They're here under some BS "probation" refugee program. People are more and more pointing out that law abiding folks aren't given probation by the government. That action is reserved exclusively for criminals.

I really think normal people are beginning to get fed up. All they had to do was take it slowly, but they couldn't help themselves. For whatever reason there's a race to 2030 and they had to push every gay rainbow, illegal alien, etc. thing as hard as they could to get there in time.

And now we, through trump, are threatening it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 06:14 AM (76AbC)

111 The bill of rights was never meant to apply to the states. And it didn't for a long time. There were several state churches in the early republic, for example. The 14th Amendment and the judiciary's incorporation doctrine have made a hash of things, diminishing the extent to which states could do their own thing.

Posted by: Tomorrow's Dumbness Today at November 11, 2024 06:15 AM (51jKN)

112 That's part of the big problem with the cat eaters in Ohio. They're here under some BS "probation" refugee program.
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IIRR, it was done by EO. Which can be rescinded.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 11, 2024 06:15 AM (z0QHk)

113 IIRR, it was done by EO. Which can be rescinded.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 11, 2024 06:15 AM (z0QHk)

Especially since it was done in crayon.

*waves to Dr. Jill*

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, dancing the Trump dance at November 11, 2024 06:17 AM (PiwSw)

114 What is a good ax blocker for a cell phone?. I'm so tired of all these ads. Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 06:18 AM (ntmW6)

115 I'm also a 10th Amendment nutjob that believes the Constitution means what it says and states have the say in if babies can be killed. That way if you don't like it you move to another state. Or, conversely, move to the state to kill all them babies. Also apply to guns
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guns: 2nd amendment
Posted by: m

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Absolutely, but in the eternal words of Obi Wan Kenobi: "It's dead, Jim." That amendment exists only slightly more than the 10th does. At least it's visible to some people, though.

If we could get an abortion ruling that abolished the ATF and left Class III stuff to the states it would be viewed as the greatest 2nd Amendment victory in 100 years.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 06:18 AM (76AbC)

116 Especially since it was done in crayon.

*waves to Dr. Jill*
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, dancing the Trump dance at November 11, 2024 06:17 AM (PiwSw)
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"This is a dog licence with the word 'dog' crossed out and 'cat' written in in crayon!!"

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 11, 2024 06:18 AM (z0QHk)

117 IIRR, it was done by EO. Which can be rescinded.

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(Hawaiian judge puts down poster with E on it and waves from the bleacher, holds sign back up to resume spelling RESIST with his other judges)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 06:20 AM (76AbC)

118 (Hawaiian judge puts down poster with E on it and waves from the bleacher, holds sign back up to resume spelling RESIST with his other judges)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 06:20 AM (76AbC)
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(Trump arranges for window lights in Empire State Building to form giant middle finger.)

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 11, 2024 06:21 AM (z0QHk)

119 My recollection was that the last time Big D was el presidente the judiciary actually kept him from rescinding some immigration EO under the "No Donnies" clause of the Constitution.

Posted by: Tomorrow's Dumbness Today at November 11, 2024 06:22 AM (51jKN)

120 The bill of rights was never meant to apply to the states. And it didn't for a long time. There were several state churches in the early republic, for example. The 14th Amendment and the judiciary's incorporation doctrine have made a hash of things, diminishing the extent to which states could do their own thing.
Posted by: Tomorrow's Dumbness Today

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It's part of why I don't feel too bad about where we are today.

The founders themselves didn't make it a generation before the republic fell when the judiciary seized power in Marbury vs Madison. That was the end. Poof, just like that. One super-equal branch to tell the others what they wanted.

That we stayed as free as we did for this long is amazing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 06:22 AM (76AbC)

121 I'm hearing rumors that the Hawaiian Judges have been taken off their maintenance IVs and have been working out by writing injunctions that apply to the entire nation. The diet Coke bill for Resistance 2.0 is going to be enormous.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 06:23 AM (Ds5LZ)

122 114- meant "ad " blocker

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 06:24 AM (ntmW6)

123 105 73 Forbes: Trump Says Former ICE Head Tom Homan Will Serve As His ‘Border Czar’—Here’s What He’s Said About Mass Deportations

https://is.gd/ZvMjeI
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 05:35 AM (Ds5LZ)

at archive.is

https://archive.is/Qi5BS
Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 06:08 AM (VnUSN)

Golly, that writer can't write.
1) Plenty of billionaires took the Musk route of doing more than just tweeting or giving money, though. (though?)
2) And of course, some billionaires are talking about the election, just not on X. (of course?)
3) Donald Trump largely keeps his posts restricted to Truth Social, the Twitter knockoff that dominates his net worth (dominates?)

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 06:26 AM (VnUSN)

124 A lot of leaves moved into piles ahead of the rain yesterday. I'm creeping around this morning.

Posted by: Old Toby at November 11, 2024 06:26 AM (5LFjM)

125 meant "ad " blocker
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 06:24 AM (ntmW6
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An ax blocker for a cell phone would be frickin' awesome.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 11, 2024 06:27 AM (z0QHk)

126 Godd morning. A rainy 56 degrees here in WNC. Going up to 75!

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at November 11, 2024 06:28 AM (zBVqU)

127 Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight

I sometimes feel like taking an axe to my cell phone. Does that count?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 06:31 AM (VhMOy)

128 Off to the electron mines, all. Later.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 11, 2024 06:32 AM (omVj0)

129 I sometimes feel like taking an axe to my cell phone. Does that count?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 06:31 AM (VhMOy)
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I just visualized your cell phone doing a Sam Kinison "AAAAH! AAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 11, 2024 06:33 AM (z0QHk)

130 Contrary to the laws of nature, the natural gas delivery valve in my furnace failed while the interior temperature of my house at night was at a tolerable 69°. It was difficult but I got along by wearing slippers and a sweater until it was replaced the next day.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at November 11, 2024 06:36 AM (Ds5LZ)

131 mornin yall

"Fox Sports' NFL analyst Michael Strahan has been criticized by viewers on social media for not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem on Sunday"

Why? If I'm am not mistaken, this practice is relatively recent.

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2024 06:39 AM (vFG9F)

132 Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive

LOL. Please don't give my cell phone some form of human sentience. It irritates me enough as a machine.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2024 06:39 AM (zGXQs)

133 Byeee...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 11, 2024 06:40 AM (z0QHk)

134
The moment you made the slightest change to the operating conditions, it failed entirely.

A failing of both AI engineers and leftists.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2024 06:41 AM (EsZUh)

135 You put your hand over your heart for the Pledge of Allegiance. At least nobody kneeled.

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2024 06:41 AM (vFG9F)

136
Why? If I'm am not mistaken, this practice is relatively recent.
Posted by: fd at November 11, 2024 06:39 AM (vFG9F)

I'm as patriotic a bastard as they come, but I don't put my hand over my heart when the National Anthem is played.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2024 06:44 AM (EsZUh)

137 "I'm as patriotic a bastard as they come, but I don't put my hand over my heart when the National Anthem is played.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh"

I have always stood respectfully with my hands at my side. I think I was probably taught that in Cub Scouts. I also know how to raise, lower, and fold a flag. How many of those Fox "news" faggots can claim that?

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2024 06:47 AM (vFG9F)

138
Unloading the car and RV after this weekend's shows. Also dumping the tanks. Yay.

The amount of stuff Her Majesty takes to a show is astounding. It all has to be loaded just so. Then, when you need to get to something, 15 other things have to be moved out of the way. Then, when she gets home, it all has to be unloaded and cleaned.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2024 06:49 AM (EsZUh)

139 The Twitter account RNCResearch has a ton of great videos.

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 06:52 AM (VnUSN)

140 >>I have always stood respectfully with my hands at my side.

Me, too, and I spent 12 years in the military.

Posted by: one hour sober at November 11, 2024 06:57 AM (Y1sOo)

141 Much ado about nothinng.

Posted by: one hour sober at November 11, 2024 06:57 AM (Y1sOo)

142 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2024 06:59 AM (u82oZ)

143 Wasn't the law changed so military veterans could render the hand salute to the National Anthem? That's what I do now.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2024 07:02 AM (u82oZ)

144 Hadrian the Seventh

Without your stalwart help, she would have to chose wisely.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2024 07:03 AM (u82oZ)

145 "Generative AI doesn't have a coherent understanding of the world. (MIT)"

So, Democrats.

"the model implicitly generated had many nonexistent streets curving between the grid and connecting far away intersections"

So, boys can become girls. Just because.

"We needed test beds where we know what the world model is"

So, is it global cooling, global warming? No, let me guess. Climate change.

"Thanks to the big brains at MIT for bringing us this world-shattering news"

It's not that they're so big, it's that they're so smooth.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 11, 2024 07:04 AM (qcQDA)

146 Wait until the DOD puts its nuclear arsenal under AI control so they don't have to keep crews stationed on site.

Posted by: Sassy Fred at November 11, 2024 07:05 AM (RMjVS)

147 "Fox Sports' NFL analyst Michael Strahan has been criticized by viewers on social media for not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem on Sunday"

Baseball is not the National Pastime. That honor belongs to Scolding. Americans still are, and always have been, Puritanical Scolds.

Hell - for most people - will be a world in which they are unable to scold anyone else.

Posted by: Show Me at November 11, 2024 07:05 AM (qKSbI)

148 Hadrian,
"The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel" S2, Ep4.
You will appreciate.
How did the dogs do?

Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:06 AM (f+FmA)

149 Courtesy during the playing of the national anthem

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 07:07 AM (a1415)

150 Baseball is not the National Pastime. That honor belongs to Scolding. Americans still are, and always have been, Puritanical Scolds.

Hell - for most people - will be a world in which they are unable to scold anyone else.
Posted by: Show Me at November 11, 2024 07:05 AM (qKSbI)

I saw the Puritanical Scolds at CBGB's in '83.

Posted by: Sassy Fred at November 11, 2024 07:07 AM (RMjVS)

151 Veterans *may* render a hand salute, not shall.

Posted by: one hour sober at November 11, 2024 07:08 AM (Y1sOo)

152 Morning, all.

Today's Veteran's Day schedule here:
Flag placement at the cemetery
Hamburger lunch for the public at the VFW
"Patton" at the movie theater this evening.

Tomorrow the HS seniors treat the vets to lunch at the school.

Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:09 AM (f+FmA)

153 152 Morning, all.

Today's Veteran's Day schedule here:
Flag placement at the cemetery
Hamburger lunch for the public at the VFW
"Patton" at the movie theater this evening.

Tomorrow the HS seniors treat the vets to lunch at the school.
Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:09 AM (f+FmA)

🇺🇸

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 07:11 AM (VnUSN)

154 Americans still are, and always have been, Puritanical Scolds.

Scolding the scolds. That's both gay and meta.

Posted by: but mostly gay at November 11, 2024 07:11 AM (PXAaa)

155 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Top o ta mornin to ya, gov'nor.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2024 07:12 AM (u82oZ)

156 "Patton" at the movie theater this evening.

Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:09 AM (f+FmA)

Always wanted to see that film on the big screen.

Posted by: Sassy Fred at November 11, 2024 07:12 AM (RMjVS)

157 one hour sober

Got it. Thanks.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 11, 2024 07:12 AM (u82oZ)

158 Wasn't the law changed so military veterans could render the hand salute to the National Anthem? That's what I do now.

Frankly Salty - I'm just not going to obey any law pertaining t what I am or am not "required" to do regarding patriotic gestures mandated by government.

Am I a free man or not ? Mandatory patriotic gestures is way over the line into Soviet style thinking.

Posted by: Show Me at November 11, 2024 07:13 AM (qKSbI)

159 It's sort of neat to recognize that "puritanical scold" along with the freedom to be an outlier and outcast to be shamed/scolded are pretty much the core elements of a functional American society.

Without it we get the 2012-2024 error. Sorry, era. And it's really interesting to note that all that happens is the scolds switch sides from normal people trying to prevent degeneracy being the main social force to the child abusers trying to promote degeneracy and perversion having power.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 07:13 AM (76AbC)

160 Tomorrow the HS seniors treat the vets to lunch at the school.
Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:09 AM (f+FmA)

I wonder what's worse... MREs or HS cafeteria food. I think the MREs taste just a little worse, but probably contain less mattress batting and fire retardant.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2024 07:13 AM (7oYYI)

161
How did the dogs do?
Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:06 AM (f+FmA)

Diana was Best of Breed and Hound Group 2, her first group placement, after a come-to-Jesus meeting with her handler. That ought to have finished her Grand Championship but for a dispute about the award at one show.

Little Fitz was entered in Beginner Puppy and performed very well considering 1) he had very little prior training on stacking and gaiting, 2) he was handled by a clod (me) who was scarcely the type to teach him.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2024 07:15 AM (EsZUh)

162 156 "Patton" at the movie theater this evening.
Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:09 AM (f+FmA)

Always wanted to see that film on the big screen.
Posted by: Sassy Fred at November 11, 2024 07:12 AM (RMjVS)

The fun thing about the theater here is that (within bounds) you can sponsor something you'd like to share with the community. Mr S has done this a couple of times and we always sponsor at least one of the Western Film Festival picks.
I'm thinking about a vintage rom-com for Valentine's Day next year.

Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:16 AM (f+FmA)

163 I wonder what's worse... MREs or HS cafeteria food. I think the MREs taste just a little worse, but probably contain less mattress batting and fire retardant.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

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You're remembering pre-Mooch school lunches that were actually prepared by staff. The days of the lunch ladies making spaghetti or biscuits for the kids are gone. Now schools have prepackaged meals that are full of preservatives and just unwrapped from cellphane. Pre packaged muffins, donuts, etc. All thanks to the Obamas. And it's all money and grifting, just like you'd imagine.

I'm betting the MREs are no-joke more nutritious.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2024's missing 15M voters is more proof of 2020 being stolen at November 11, 2024 07:17 AM (76AbC)

164 JJ is here.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 11, 2024 07:17 AM (Cp1vk)

165 I'm headed down to my Dad's today. We are going to go thru a suitcase full of photos and memorabilia that belonged to my grandmother's third husband. He served in WWII, Korea, and spent a lot of time in the Philippines before retiring from the Army as a Colonel. This should be interesting.

Posted by: fd at November 11, 2024 07:17 AM (vFG9F)

166
I think the MREs taste just a little worse, but probably contain less mattress batting and fire retardant.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 11, 2024 07:13 AM (7oYYI)

A great and tragic turn for the worse was taken when Ham and Lima Beans was chosen over Red Beans and Rice.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2024 07:17 AM (EsZUh)

167 >Little Fitz was entered in Beginner Puppy and performed very well

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this makes me think of kindergarten for dogs

Posted by: Don Black at November 11, 2024 07:18 AM (/7KEl)

168 Diana was Best of Breed and Hound Group 2, her first group placement, after a come-to-Jesus meeting with her handler. That ought to have finished her Grand Championship but for a dispute about the award at one show.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2024 07:15 AM (EsZUh)

Who had the meeting with the handler- you or Diana?

Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:18 AM (f+FmA)

169
Who had the meeting with the handler- you or Diana?
Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:18 AM (f+FmA)

Diana. She misbehaved badly in the Group the previous day.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 11, 2024 07:22 AM (EsZUh)

170 I'm thinking about a vintage rom-com for Valentine's Day next year.
Posted by: sal at November 11, 2024 07:16 AM (f+FmA)

1940's 'The Shop Around The Corner' would be a great choice. Jimmy Stewart + Margaret Sullavan = wonderful chemistry.

Posted by: Sassy Fred at November 11, 2024 07:24 AM (RMjVS)

171 >I'm thinking about a vintage rom-com for Valentine's Day next year.
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Taxi Driver

Posted by: Don Black at November 11, 2024 07:26 AM (/7KEl)

172 Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Following the election results, unhinged woman on Tiktok tells her family “f*ck off and choke on your turkey.”

https://tinyurl.com/2s3wse5y

Posted by: Mister Ghost at November 11, 2024 07:27 AM (TGPs7)

173 Salute to all the veterans

Posted by: doug at November 11, 2024 07:32 AM (Hy+R4)

174 Gosh, I forgot this is our day until my ginger whacked me upside the head and reminded me. We'll go out and get fed, I guess, that is a big thing up here.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at November 11, 2024 07:32 AM (hKoQL)

175 VIA !!!...as a fellow Volvo wagon owner...curious if you're on Swdspeed ???

Posted by: qmark at November 11, 2024 07:35 AM (+t9Oi)

176 "curious if you're on Swdspeed ???"

I peruse the forums occasionally.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 07:39 AM (a1415)

177 Salty!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 11, 2024 07:39 AM (a1415)

178 174 Gosh, I forgot this is our day until my ginger whacked me upside the head and reminded me. We'll go out and get fed, I guess, that is a big thing up here.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at November 11, 2024 07:32 AM (hKoQL)

Cool!

Posted by: m at November 11, 2024 07:41 AM (VnUSN)

179 VIA...i'm also QMARK on Swedspeed too...drop a line on your next visit... 99 T5 daily for 12yrs...

Posted by: qmark at November 11, 2024 07:55 AM (+t9Oi)

180 AIs do seem to model one thing quite well. Leftist policies, they have no sense of the real world and break whenever anything changes even slightly.

Posted by: geoffb at November 11, 2024 10:29 AM (r//c2)

181 r.e. Generative AI comment: I use AI to generate text. It is NOT a one size fits all process. I still have to sub in words, alter lines, move paragraphs and punctuate. I also usually generate three or four versions using similar key words and phrases then splice in the best bits. I also read the text out loud to see how it sounds. I do edit out things that don't fit or I don't like. Once done, my readers seem to like the output. I'm not Billy Shears, Winston O'Boogie or Lindor Glickman, but I do seem to create with the help of pen and paper. NOTE: This comment was not never un uh boosted with AI phermones.

Posted by: Ray at November 11, 2024 10:59 AM (5wLuE)

182 >They got a result that worked, but nobody could explain how.

A friend once entered a Tetris bot contest and decided to use genetic algorithms to produce the bot. He got a consistently winning bot, but found out when observing it that its strategy was simply to never drop a piece directly, naively fill the space left to right, and wait for the other bot to make a game-ending mistake.

Posted by: Daniel Ream at November 11, 2024 11:41 AM (FMBjj)

183 180 AIs do seem to model one thing quite well. Leftist policies, they have no sense of the real world and break whenever anything changes even slightly.

Bingo!

Posted by: Hal Dall at November 11, 2024 01:04 PM (KrKxR)

184 yep

LLMs are like the speech center of the brain

they don't really think, they just arrange words

Posted by: TallDave at November 11, 2024 03:14 PM (qNa2s)

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