Hobby Thread - November 9, 2024 [TRex]

Welcome hobbyists! Pull up a chair and sit a spell with the Horde in this little corner of the interweb. This is the mighty, mighty officially sanctioned Ace of Spades Hobby Thread.

We gave the Ace of Spades Wheel of Hobbies(TM) a spin and it landed on a theme of collecting money for this week. Apparently the Wheel is interested in history, how people store value, and how they build systems of economic exchange with teach other. For purposes of the Hobby Thread, we are not talking about investing, managing personal finances, or economics. We are talking about collecting tangible items of historical or artistic interest. If your collecting happens to involve money related assets that appreciate in value, you are on topic. If you want to talk about collecting hyperinflated German Wiemar currency, you are on topic.

Numismatics is the study or collection of currency, including coins, tokens, paper money, medals and related objects. People who are involved are known as numismatists. They are often characterized as students or collectors of coins, but also are often interested in the broader study of money and other means of payment used to resolve debts and exchange goods.

Notaphily is the study and collection of paper currency, and banknotes. A notaphilist is a collector of banknotes or paper money, particularly as a hobby.

Are you a numismatist or a notaphilist? Do you collect coins or paper? Do you have an area of focus? Where do you find your treasures? Any favorite stories of finds or gifts received? Do you ever sell pieces in your collection? Do you collect money from across the globe? Do you collect old coins or currency? Do you remember gathering coins or currency as a child?

This hobby is a good illustration of the difference between rare and valuable. Not everything that is rare is also valuable, but most things that are valuable are also rare. There is irony in the fact that many of the most valuable pieces are rare because of defects in their creation.

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Content below to get the conversation started, but looking for participation from our gray box friends. If meaningful to you, it will be meaningful to the Horde.

As per usual Hobby Thread etiquette, keep this thread limited to collecting money. It can be difficult to separate money with politics but try to keep some tenuous connection to collecting. Politics and current events can reside in threads elsewhere. Play nice. Do not be a troll and do not feed the trolls. As usual, wearing pants is optional for thread participation. But you may need pockets for your change.

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US Penny trivia:

The penny was first introduced in 1793. It is the presently the smallest denomination of US currency. It was one of the first coins introduced after the inception of the US mint in 1792.

President Abraham Lincoln has been on the penny since 1909. He was the first president shown on a coin. The event marked his 100th birthday. The Lincoln Memorial was on the reverse from 1958 through 2008. Different bicentennial designs were used in 2009 before being replaced with the current union shield in 2010.

Tiny letters of VDB can be found on Lincolns shoulder. They are initials of Designer Victor D Brenner.

Pennies were originally minted in copper. Zinc was introduced, with different increasing proportions over the years. The modern penny has the least amount of copper with a small 2.5% copper plating and a 97.5% zinc base.

In 1943, pennies were made of zinc-coated steel because copper was needed during World War II.

The formal name of the penny is the cent. Penny comes from British coinage.

Ten Amazing Rare Lincoln Cents Worth a Lot of Money

The Top 16 Most Valuable Pennies

1909 VDB Penny Value: Whats Your Coin Worth?

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The US Mint sells uncut sheets of currency. An uncut sheet of 50 $1 bills will cost you $86. A uncut sheet of 32 $2 bills will cost you $102. An uncut sheet of 50 $5 bills will cost you $335.

I have always been curious. Who buys these sheets? They're not rare. Do people buy them as decoration? As gifts for others?

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Random facts about the British Pound:

The pound sterling is the oldest continually used currency still in use today. It was originally defined as a pound of silver. In Anglo Saxon times around the year 800, a pound was worth about 350 grams of silver. (A pound was measured differently in those days. Today, a pound is about 453 grams.)

As a currency, the British pound depreciated dramatically over the centuries. It lost about two thirds of its value by the 1700s. The trend accelerated after World War I. Today, one British Pound will buy only about 1.7 grams of silver.

Why silver? Gold was treated as a long-term store of value for the wealthy, but silver was used more commonly as a store of value and medium of exchange by most people.

The UK pound was the world's reserve currency until the mid-1900s when the US Dollar took prominence after WWII.

Sir Isaac Newton is best known as a scientist, but also spent 30 years as the Master of the Royal Mint (1699-1727). He actively prosecuted people who produced counterfeit coins.

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Pieces of Eight were Spanish coins. During much of the 17th and 18th centuries, the Spanish Dollar coin served as the unofficial national currency of the American colonies. To make change the dollar was actually cut into eight pieces or bits. That led to the pieces of eight label and the term two bits came from physically separating two pieces of eight.

Silver mined across the Spanish empire was formed into coins for use and transport. They were often minted by hand, resulting in imperfect shapes. Designs changed over time, but the coins showed the shield of the reigning Spanish monarch along with marks showing the date of creation, location, and identify of the maker. This was the age of the pirate, so pirates are often associated with pieces of eight because the ships they pursued carried Spanish coins.

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Notgeld is a form of emergency currency created by small cities, towns, and municipalities under German control during the period following WWI. In the context of postwar currency shortages, these cities supplemented what the government was unable to provide. The notes include a wide range of imagery that represent local identities, traditions, and cultures. Notgeld are often colorful and heavily illustrated, depicting landscapes, cityscapes, historic monuments, people, and local folklore/mythology.

The sheer quantity, variety and relatively low price points makes Notgeld collecting interesting. They are easy to find and there are many resources on the interweb. For example, the Smithsonian has a collection. This website that sells Notgeld notes has a good background webpage with words and photos.

Novel Notgeld:

Have never seen another piece of currency with schwarzbier references.

Translations below from top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right:

So pale so skinny beautiful child. Take a drink of Kostritzer black beer quickly.
Black beer from Kostritz you! Sweet relaxation good rest.
Kostritzer black beer helps the mothers who feed their children into existence.
What could be better than noble black beer from Kostritz

Never seen currency with the Colditz castle elsewhere either.

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US Currency trivia:

Why Only Dead People Are on US Banknotes

The $10,000 Bill

Why is the Greenback Green?

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Professional Coin Grading Services (PCGS) is known for assessing the collector quality of coins and estimated related values. This is not an advertisement for PCGS, but they do have a free grading reference guide on their website that can help with your own eyeball evaluation of commonly requested US coins and also a free price guide. Only the higher grade coins are worth sending to PCGS for a more formal grade, so it is a way to get a sense before going through that effort.

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Virtual tour of the US Mint at the Philadelphia location:

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The Mutilated Currency Division of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing specializes in providing money in exchange for damaged currency. Fire? Flood? Fido? Send it in.

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Did you miss the Hobby Thread last week with a 3D printing theme? The comments may be closed, but you can re-live the content.

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Notable comments from last week:

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Words of wisdom:

"Because despite all our troubles, when things are grim out in that wide round world of ours, that's when it's really important to have a good hobby." Posted by: tankascribe at June 22, 2024 07:41 PM (HWxAD).

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If collecting money is not your thing and you have trouble finding something in the content or comments that resonates with you, hijack the thread for your hobbying as you see fit. We will feature a different hobby next time. Send thoughts, suggestions and photos of your hobbying to moronhobbies at protonmail dot com. No squirrels were harmed in the preparation of this thread.

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1 Welcome Hobbiests

Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2024 05:31 PM (fwDg9)

2
I think coin collectors are called neumismatists.

It's Latin for gay & boring.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:33 PM (JdQN3)

3 Wallpaper is my guess for sheets of greenbacks.
I have some coins, a mint set probably not much worth more than the coins in it. Did save coins from my European duty excursions

Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2024 05:34 PM (fwDg9)

4 Darn it! Stopped to read the content.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 05:36 PM (QNSds)

5 OT, willowed -- I wanted to make Fenelon saw this: I also loved the story about your mom bringing home a kitten in a paper bag.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 09, 2024

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Fen, there was also the story of how we took him to be neutered. He didn't start male spraying until he was something like seven *years* old. We didn't have a car or a carrier. And the vet was seven blocks away. We put him first in a pillowcase and then into a cardboard box. He tore his way out of the pillowcase within a block. Then Mom used a nylon string sock bag, and he couldn't tear out of that. My brother and I toted him in the box down to the vet, where he fell into a kind of waxy immobility like a psychotic -- he was afraid of strange people.

He came home the next day, walked as if still dopey all around to make sure he was home, paused by his favorite chair, and I lifted him up. He slept like a stone for three hours, and then was ravenous. No complications.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 09, 2024 05:36 PM (omVj0)

6 I have a lot of Egyptian pounds.

When I was in Egypt, I learned that you had to buy toilet paper from the attendant in the public restrooms.

I also learned that it was cheaper to wipe your ass with Egyptian pounds than to buy the toilet paper.

Eliminating the middleman, they call it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 05:36 PM (hY4dx)

7 Besides being a professional noodist, I get bored so keep looking for a new thread.

Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2024 05:38 PM (fwDg9)

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Canadia has "loonies."

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:39 PM (JdQN3)

9 I've seen some people make clothing out of sheets of US currency. I don't remember where I've seen it, because it's been a few years.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 05:39 PM (VNX3d)

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I like Brit slang for their money.

"bob," as in a few bob.

quid = buck, I reckon

What else?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:40 PM (JdQN3)

11 10
I like Brit slang for their money.

"bob," as in a few bob.

quid = buck, I reckon

What else?

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A British pound coin is a crown.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 05:41 PM (hY4dx)

12 Howdy T Rex!

I have so many bags and boxes of coins that my grandparents gave to me and my in-laws gave to my boys. US coins from several decades. No clue if any of it is worth more than face value. Seems like the juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze to try to find out.

Am I wrong??

Posted by: Doof at November 09, 2024 05:42 PM (wtDEF)

13 Turns out US pennies are costly to mint.
Much more than 1 cent.
We lose money on every coin.
Or, so I've read.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 09, 2024 05:44 PM (MeG8a)

14 quid = buck, I reckon

What else?
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024

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"Quid" I thought was one pound -- probably from a Latin phrase. There's the guinea, which is slightly larger than a pound. Twenty shillings to the pound, like our nickel to our dollar, and I believe a guinea is twenty-five shillings. I think there are 100 pennies to the pound.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 09, 2024 05:44 PM (omVj0)

15 A couple of weeks ago I found an odd coin in a parking lot. Apparently in 2008 or so, the mint put out dollar coins with presidents on them. I found a John Quincy Adams.

When I found it, I thought it might be a token for a Chuck E. Cheese or something. It has writing along the edge which is impossible to read.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2024 05:44 PM (CHHv1)

16 I also learned that it was cheaper to wipe your ass with Egyptian pounds than to buy the toilet paper.

Eliminating the middleman, they call it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 05:36 PM (hY4dx)

Koran pages are very soft and absorbent.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 05:44 PM (nezN1)

17 Canadia has "loonies."
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024

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Yes it does.

Oh, you mean their money?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 09, 2024 05:44 PM (omVj0)

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Remember Indian Head nickels? "Buffalo" nickels?

If those existed today, the Left would declare them "racist." Then, a year later, demand America is racist because only "dead white men" are on our currency.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:45 PM (JdQN3)

19 Howdy T Rex!

I have so many bags and boxes of coins that my grandparents gave to me and my in-laws gave to my boys. US coins from several decades. No clue if any of it is worth more than face value. Seems like the juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze to try to find out.

Am I wrong??

Posted by: Doof at November 09, 2024 05:42 PM

If you haven't already done so you might want to go through those coins and pull out anything pre 64. The silver content on those coins is worth more than face value at this point. Also wheat pennies can bring a dime or so depending on the year.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 05:45 PM (QNSds)

20 I have two gold maple leafs, one with Elizabeth, and one with Charles. I hope for a William one day very soon.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 05:45 PM (t1eo9)

21 The 1909 VDH penny is the most valuable.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 09, 2024 05:46 PM (63Dwl)

22 Coin collecting was my first great love, hobby wise. I still enjoy it, but lament how the mint has wrecked it by putting out so much crap in recent years.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2024 05:46 PM (nJUfO)

23 Last time I was in the UK (2022) I bought about $500 and coins and currency. Only to find that the Brits has completely replaced their coinage and currency since my last visit.

Now the valid notes were "polymers" printed on clear pieces of plastic The coins were still coins, but different.

Most places wouldn't take my outdated coins and currency.

Traveler beware.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 05:47 PM (hY4dx)

24 I have a decent coin and currency collection but haven’t added anything to it in over 30 years except for just what I come across when making cash transactions.

I do have a US currency error on a $20 bill where they made a double printing mistake. I need to have it looked at to get a value .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 05:47 PM (D6PGr)

25 If you haven't already done so you might want to go through those coins and pull out anything pre 64. The silver content on those coins is worth more than face value at this point. Also wheat pennies can bring a dime or so depending on the year.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 05:45 PM (QNSds)

Good place to start, I guess. Thanks!

Posted by: Doof at November 09, 2024 05:48 PM (wtDEF)

26 Sorry for the OT, but if there's a cob-logger around, post #21 from the pet thread needs a hose-off.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 09, 2024 05:48 PM (DTX3h)

27 I've bought junk silver several times over the years, dimes and quarters. I love going through them, even though I'm pretty sure there are no valuable ones they missed. I did find a Barber quarter, and then a Barber dime from 1914. Worn down, of course. But I love them for their "oldness."

Once a roll of dimes I bought were all "Mercury" ones (Liberty). That was cool.

Posted by: skywch at November 09, 2024 05:49 PM (uqhmb)

28 Will U.S. scrap dealers accept Canadian one-cent coins? I have a bunch of the nearly-pure copper ones.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 05:49 PM (nezN1)

29 Ah, pennies. For m entire youth I loved collecting pennies. I would go through my change every day looking for "wheaties" -- pennies made 1958 or earlier. greta fun.

But over the years, wheaties got rarer and rarer, and now you might find one or two in an entire years of searching.

Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 05:49 PM (pMi6S)

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Koran pages are very soft and absorbent.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 05:44 PM (nezN1)

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I've heard that Arabic text is very easy on the anus.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 05:50 PM (hY4dx)

31 Best penny I ever found in my change: a 1914 D. Super-valuable! Even worn down as it is, it is now worth a couple hundreds bucks.

Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 05:51 PM (pMi6S)

32 I got some Buffalo nickels in change at a MacDonalds a few years ago. All I could think was they were from someone's stolen coin collection.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 05:51 PM (t1eo9)

33 Thirty years ago I got a Silver Certificate in change.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 05:51 PM (t1eo9)

34 I do have a US currency error on a $20 bill where they made a double printing mistake. I need to have it looked at to get a value .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 05:47 PM (D6PGr)

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Does the buffalo face the wrong way? You might be sitting on a gold mine.

Posted by: Sheriff Andy at November 09, 2024 05:51 PM (hY4dx)

35 I got a mint 1888 Morgan silver dollar when I clerked at a Walgreens liquor department when I was a Freshman in college. The guy bought a pint of whiskey and used it as part of the payment. I just switched it out with my dollar bill. I have little doubt he swiped it from someplace.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 05:52 PM (D6PGr)

36 Will U.S. scrap dealers accept Canadian one-cent coins? I have a bunch of the nearly-pure copper ones.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 05:49 PM

I don't know about foreign coins being recycled but IIRC they can't destroy American currency to melt down coins for their metal content because it is illegal.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 05:52 PM (QNSds)

37 I like dollar coins. I used to leave them as tips. $3 looks like three quarters laying on the table. Fooled ya!

Posted by: fd at November 09, 2024 05:52 PM (vFG9F)

38 But over the years, wheaties got rarer and rarer, and now you might find one or two in an entire years of searching.
Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 05:49 PM (pMi6S)

When I am in Arizona for the winters, I go through my pocket change periodically, and cull out any coins that might have collector value. So I have a few wheat pennies.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 05:52 PM (nezN1)

39 What damn near every Hobbyist needs, is a good place to store and from which, to use, their tools.

Thus, I am emptying the tools out of MY oaken Machinist's Chest, and hoping that some intrepid Horidan Hobbyist shall want to make it theirs.

26"W x 18.5"H x 11"D.

Two bottom drawers are full width. Immediately above, side-by-side half-width pair. Hinged top lid w/ requisite mirror.

All compartments are felt lined, of course.

This chest is nearly as twice as large as the cheap chinee one they sell at horror fright.

Not putting a price on it here, 'cause I ain't got proper permission (yet?) to "sell" it, as such. Write to me, and I'll let you know.

Best if picked up here in Galveston. Shipping would be OMG $

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 09, 2024 05:53 PM (Xo+UM)

40 I collected a little jar of wheatback pennies in college. They're in a trunk out in the garage now. I ought to go through them. Yes, you used to see them all the time, forty or fifty years ago.

Posted by: skywch at November 09, 2024 05:53 PM (uqhmb)

41 The 1909 VDH penny is the most valuable.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 09, 2024 05:46 PM (63Dwl)

Wrong!

Victor Davis Hanson isn't that old.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 09, 2024 05:53 PM (0eaVi)

42 “Quid” comes from the fact that all English schoolboys are forced to take Latin, and they’re desperate to find some excuse to use it. “Quid pro quo” is “This for that” and generally taken to mean payment for goods, and informally taken to mean One Pound by the Brits.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2024 05:53 PM (S6gqv)

43 I don't know about foreign coins being recycled but IIRC they can't destroy American currency to melt down coins for their metal content because it is illegal.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 05:52 PM (QNSds)

As it is here. I wonder if arbitrage can happen?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 05:55 PM (nezN1)

44 A strange way to collect coins. I had jury duty some time ago and paid to park in lot. You paid on your way out. It was 8 bucks a day and I paid with a ten, got 2 Sacajawea $1 coins for change from the automated machine.
I still have them.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 09, 2024 05:55 PM (MeG8a)

45 By coincidence

When we first moved back to Rancho Webworks, here in Oklahoma, we had temporary summer tent housing while we rehabbed the old house.

One day we got some ~80mph winds and our tent ended up over the wall and 'way out in the pasture, stopped at the neighbor's fence. The tent was Shelter System™️ and the tent held up while rolling along.
https://shelter-systems.com

Rancher Bob, who has lived here for years before us, helped haul it back to the living area.

Skip forward thirty years and Bob is getting on in years, and he & the Mrs are cleaning out the house. So, yesterday, his daughter & son-in-law come by with what they tell me is a box Bob found after the tent roll. A metal box, with twenty or so small envelopes, all marked with notes like "1942-D" or "1945-D" - pennies from 1941 to 1948. (See? This rambling story is on topic.) The envelopes appear to be in my Dad's handwriting. Or maybe my grandfather's.

Amazing that Bob had found and picked them up, funny that he kept them all these years, but honestly MiladyJo and I have no recollection of even having this box of coins, much less having them in the tent.

So, unexpected treasure, however it got here.

Posted by: mindful webworker - pennies from heaven at November 09, 2024 05:55 PM (qrBtf)

46 Well, I do have a whole roll of Steelies.

Guess I oughta get a value on 'em?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 09, 2024 05:55 PM (Xo+UM)

47 Coin collecting can be worthwhile, or not.

My parents spent years buying the proof and uncirculated mint sets. The cost a couple of dollars then, and they're only worth a couple of dollars today. Except for the silver ones, of course.

Dad collected foreign coins in the army. They're not worth much at all. Collect for the interest, not because you think you'll make a killing at it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 09, 2024 05:56 PM (0eaVi)

48 I save wheat pennies, although I don’t know why.

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 05:56 PM (jgmnb)

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Even when I was a kid, it wasn't too uncommon to find Kennedy half-dollars and Ike coins still in circulation.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:57 PM (JdQN3)

50 My foreign currency collection was stolen during the move from Hawaii to mainland. Had coins and notes from all over the world.

Posted by: JQ at November 09, 2024 05:58 PM (njWTi)

51 One thing I inherited from a deceased relative is two bags each containing 5,000 silver dimes. I figure they're worth about $30k now.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 05:58 PM (hY4dx)

52 Once back in the 80s in Silicon Valley the company paid our quarterly bonus in 1 oz. eagle gold coins.

I still have one. Has it been a good investment?

It was worth $300 in 1990. 34 years later it is about $2,600. That is a gain of $2,300 or almost 800%

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 09, 2024 05:58 PM (RIvkX)

53 “ Through laziness, the rafters sag; because of idle hands, the house leaks.”

Ecclesiastes 10:18

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2024 05:58 PM (vkzx+)

54
Oh, and lots of $2 bills were in circulation when I was little. Probably until the late 80's.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:58 PM (JdQN3)

55 The dollar got the name Buck because western gamblers used a buck knife as place holder ( the button) . A dollar coin was eventually used but they continued to call it a buck.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 05:58 PM (D6PGr)

56 Still looking for that 1909 S VBD

Posted by: Braenyard at November 09, 2024 05:59 PM (Mr3X0)

57
Oh!

President Trump should issue a nood $2 bill for 2026!

What A Genius Idea!!

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:59 PM (JdQN3)

58 I save wheat pennies, although I don’t know why.
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 05:56 PM (jgmnb)

Because nowadays all we have are the gluten free ones?

Posted by: Doof at November 09, 2024 05:59 PM (wtDEF)

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or, better, a 2026 250th anniversary $3 bill for all the presidential elections Trump won

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (JdQN3)

60 Oh!

President Trump should issue a nood $2 bill for 2026!

What A Genius Idea!!
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:59 PM (JdQN3)]/i]

Love this idea!!

Posted by: Doof at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (wtDEF)

61 My wife and I are not exactly coin collectors, but we own some interesting historical coins. The oldest is a Roman "as", or penny, bearing the image of the Emperor Nero. Another old one is a farthing coin bearing the image of Constantine the Great. Recently, we bought a silver coin from the Sassanid Empire, which flourished in what is now Iran 1500 years ago. Other coins are from the time of Elizabeth I of England, a beautiful silver penny from the time of Charles II of England, and a variety of 18th- and 19th-century English coins. On my desk is a stack of coins from evil regimes: A two-franc coin issued by the Vichy regime in 1944; a one-peseta coin bearing the image of Franciso Franco; a ten-centime coin from the reign of Leopold I of Belgium; and a 15-kopek coin minted in the USSR in 1962. These coins are little bits of history that you can hold in the palm of your hand.

Posted by: Nemo at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (S6ArX)

62 I've toured the Denver and Carson City mints. Unfortunately neither was giving out free samples.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (lUFok)

63 True story:

In the city where I grew up, a guy once was given change at the grocery store. Noticed that one of the pennies looked weird. Said to the checkout girl, "Hey, this is a fake penny -- maybe Canadian or something, or a token from a board game. Give me a real penny iinstead!" So he gave her back the "fake" penny and she gave him a regular penny.

But the checkout girl though the "fake" penny looked interesting, so she pocketed it.

Later, showed it to her dad, whop took it to a coin shop, and the shop owner practically fainted -- it was an 1973 $3 gold piece!!! (Almost the exact same size as a penny, but made out of gold.) And 1873 is one of the rarest of all $3 gold pieces. Valued then at $5,000!

But the story doesn't end there. After there were articles about this whole incident in the newspaper, the STORE got involved, saying that the gold piece technically belonged to them, since the checkout girl had illegally pocketed the coin, which in theory should have got back into the register! So they sued to get it back.

The store was correct in its claim, but when this was also reported int he paper, thee was pubic outage against the store, and it backed down.

Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (pMi6S)

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Trivia:

Who is on the $2 bill?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (JdQN3)

65 When they settled my aunt's estate, they split up a small amount of coins. I think mine are rolls of dimes and pennies. Haven't checked them out yet.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (gfViB)

66 or, better, a 2026 250th anniversary $3 bill for all the presidential elections Trump won
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (JdQN3)

I'd like to see a 2026 silver dollar.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 06:02 PM (VNX3d)

67 Oh!

President Trump should issue a nood $2 bill for 2026!

What A Genius Idea!!
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 05:59 PM (JdQN3)

A $3 bill with Obama on it because ... well ... you know.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 06:02 PM (t1eo9)

68 Collecting money - that's one of my favorite activities.....

Oh - you mean numismatics.....never mind.....

Though I do have my coin collection that I started with the Coin Collecting merit badge....

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2024 06:02 PM (QGaXH)

69 In this age of computers, imaging and AI, I expect that coin sorting machines will be able to do more than count - they will also be able to identify anomalies or collectibles. That would answer the question of "what do I do with this pile of coins? Is there anything valuable in there? I would cash it in, but what if there is a valuable coin in the pile?"

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:02 PM (x31IN)

70 1973 = 1873

Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 06:02 PM (pMi6S)

71 The store was correct in its claim, but when this was also reported int he paper, thee was pubic outage against the store, and it backed down.

Well, who could withstand pubic outrage?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at November 09, 2024 06:02 PM (lUFok)

72 64
Trivia:

Who is on the $2 bill?
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (JdQN3)

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Not sure, but I know Liberace is on the three-dollar bill.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:03 PM (hY4dx)

73 64
Trivia:

Who is on the $2 bill?
Posted by: Soothsayer ]

Jefferson. Got several of them.

Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 06:03 PM (pMi6S)

74 Trivia:

Who is on the $2 bill?

Pretty sure it's T Jefferson on the front.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at November 09, 2024 06:03 PM (lUFok)

75
Who should we put on the nood $2 bill?

A young Ronald Reagan?
A young, thin Elvis?
Theodore Roosevelt?
Margaret Thatcher?
Superman?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:04 PM (JdQN3)

76 Beckoning Chasm, the ridges around the outside of coins is called "reeding" and was either invented or implemented by Sir Isaac Newton when he was Master of the Mint.
It was developed to prevent people from clipping or shaving off bits of the coin to turn in for money while still using the coin for its face value.
This is not so important now as most coins are base metal, but it makes them look classy.

In the same way, some countries use lettering impressed in the rim of coins in place of the reeding. This is a fairly technical process so it is used on higher denomination coins. As far as I know no US coin has been issued with that sort of edge lettering, so you probably have a foreign coin.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2024 06:04 PM (D7oie)

77 Good evening, horde.

Working a cash register is a good way to find old coins.

I have one of those steel pennies, and I have a buffalo nickel. The nickel is in bad condition, very worn, but it's still neat to have.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 06:05 PM (OX9vb)

78 a one-peseta coin bearing the image of Franciso Franco;

These coins are little bits of history that you can hold in the palm of your hand.
Posted by: Nemo at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (S6ArX)

Franco wasn't evil. Only the Commies regard him that way.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:05 PM (nezN1)

79 "One thing I inherited from a deceased relative is two bags each containing 5,000 silver dimes. I figure they're worth about $30k now.
Posted by: Cicero"

I inherited a painting of Billy Carter's horse. It's not worth anything near that, yet.

Posted by: fd at November 09, 2024 06:05 PM (vFG9F)

80 62 I've toured the Denver and Carson City mints. Unfortunately neither was giving out free samples.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at November 09, 2024 06:01 PM (lUFok)

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We're reviewing the complaint.

Posted by: The Mint Dept. Of Have You Heard This One Before at November 09, 2024 06:05 PM (hY4dx)

81 Do you collect coins or paper? Do you have an area of focus? Any favorite stories of finds or gifts received? Do you ever sell pieces in your collection? Do you collect money from across the globe? Do you collect old coins or currency? Do you remember gathering coins or currency as a child?

yes, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes....

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2024 06:05 PM (QGaXH)

82 The dog race track in Rapid City ,SD when I was 4 or 5 paid out bets in $2 bills. One of many random memories I have as a kid when I was with my parents.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 06:06 PM (D6PGr)

83 I also have a pile of Dutch gold Guilders. Big money in those things.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:06 PM (hY4dx)

84 I have a 800 Million Mark note my Grandfather gave me from the Weimar Republic when he was still alive. He told me you couldn't buy a loaf of bread with it at the time.

Posted by: Archer at November 09, 2024 06:07 PM (IDphi)

85 Trivia question:

How many times is Lincoln depicted on the penny design made between 1959 and 2010 (i.e. the "classic" penny everybody grew up with)?

The answer is sneaky but interesting.

Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 06:08 PM (pMi6S)

86 In this age of computers, imaging and AI, I expect that coin sorting machines will be able to do more than count - they will also be able to identify anomalies or collectibles. That would answer the question of "what do I do with this pile of coins? Is there anything valuable in there? I would cash it in, but what if there is a valuable coin in the pile?"
Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:02 PM (x31IN)

Maybe they do.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:08 PM (nezN1)

87 How many times is Lincoln depicted on the penny design made between 1959 and 2010 (i.e. the "classic" penny everybody grew up with)?

The answer is sneaky but interesting.
Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 06:08 PM

If you look close you can see him inside the Lincoln memorial on the reverse.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 06:09 PM (D6PGr)

88 My home is on land that used to be farmland, and I've even found a few broken arrowheads. I dream about getting a metal detector and going around some of my 100 year oaks, and finding a box or a can of gold coins...

*sighs romantically*

Posted by: skywch at November 09, 2024 06:09 PM (uqhmb)

89 Thirty years ago I got a Silver Certificate in change.
Posted by: G'rump
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Surprisingly little comment about those. Congress ended the redemption for silver in 1968. Hmm, wonder who was in charge?

Senate majority Democratic
Senate President Hubert Humphrey (D)
House majority Democratic
House Speaker John W. McCormack (D)

Two friends of my father (one of whom had a small plane) flew up to Washington in '68, with $10,000 in certificates, presented them at the Treasury Dept., and received bags of granulated silver.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 06:11 PM (XeU6L)

90 My home is on land that used to be farmland, and I've even found a few broken arrowheads. I dream about getting a metal detector and going around some of my 100 year oaks, and finding a box or a can of gold coins...

*sighs romantically*
Posted by: skywch at November 09, 2024 06:09 PM (uqhmb)

I can almost guarantee that there are still numerous , lost in time, double eagles and other gold coins buried when the government ordered it turned in.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 06:11 PM (D6PGr)

91 In this age of computers, imaging and AI, I expect that coin sorting machines will be able to do more than count - they will also be able to identify anomalies or collectibles. That would answer the question of "what do I do with this pile of coins? Is there anything valuable in there? I would cash it in, but what if there is a valuable coin in the pile?"
Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:02 PM

There are still valuable coins running around in circulation. I know people that go to banks and buy large quantities of dimes, quarters and half dollars and "mine" them for silver coins. Once they remove any silver they find they take the coins back to the bank, cash them in and start over at a different bank. Very time consuming and they rarely find many coins but it doesn't cost much other than the upfront buy in.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 06:11 PM (QNSds)

92 I have a coworker who is a numismatist

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 09, 2024 06:12 PM (Wx316)

93
Mom collected a variety of international coinage during the folks international travels in the 70's and 80's.

Now worthless.

Posted by: Auspex at November 09, 2024 06:12 PM (j4U/Z)

94 I collect copper pennies, probably have about 50 lbs. now. It's the only 'money' still in cirulation that has any intrinsic value.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 06:12 PM (XeU6L)

95 In the same way, some countries use lettering impressed in the rim of coins in place of the reeding. This is a fairly technical process so it is used on higher denomination coins. As far as I know no US coin has been issued with that sort of edge lettering, so you probably have a foreign coin.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2024 06:04 PM

It has been done by the US rarely; on some of the very early coinage and on the modern Presidential dollar coin series, for example. But the problem is that in terms of minting, it is far more expensive than giving the coin a reeded edge which can be easily automated.

And base metal coinage was usually given a smooth edge (pennies, nickels) because who would want to shave that?

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2024 06:13 PM (nJUfO)

96 87 How many times is Lincoln depicted on the penny design made between 1959 and 2010 (i.e. the "classic" penny everybody grew up with)?

The answer is sneaky but interesting.
Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 06:08 PM

If you look close you can see him inside the Lincoln memorial on the reverse.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Bingo!

So that makes one on the back, and one on the front (obviously), for a total of TWO.

Posted by: zombie at November 09, 2024 06:13 PM (pMi6S)

97 92 I have a coworker who is a numismatist
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 09, 2024 06:12 PM (Wx316)

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As long as he does it in private it's his own business.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:13 PM (hY4dx)

98 Finished 3D printing 3 of the many many parts of the ball vise from last week.

The main bowl took a couple of attempts to get the angle of supports just right so as to optimize for speed and safety , as the first two bowls were a disaster.

And pretty much every plate is taking roughly 5 to 5.5 hours to print, which means the vice will be done sometime in the middle of Trumps first year in office.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2024 06:13 PM (XV/Pl)

99 92 I have a coworker who is a numismatist
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 09, 2024 06:12 PM (Wx316)

There's a vaccine for that now.

Posted by: Archer at November 09, 2024 06:13 PM (IDphi)

100 I have one of those steel pennies, and I have a buffalo nickel. The nickel is in bad condition, very worn, but it's still neat to have.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 06:05 PM (OX9vb)

Canada issued some steel pennies in the same time period, and also issued some steel nickels, and nickels made of an alloy called "tombac".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:14 PM (nezN1)

101 Trying to determine value is a bugger. I have some Eisenhower Centennial Dollar coins and I'll be damned if I can find a value on them. They are worth more than face value but the amounts vary tremendously.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 09, 2024 06:15 PM (t8vHj)

102 98 Finished 3D printing 3 of the many many parts of the ball vise from last week.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2024 06:13 PM
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Excellent!! Please send photos when complete. I'll post in the content. I love hearing when the Horde tries something they see in the Hobby Thread.

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:15 PM (x31IN)

103
Who should we put on the nood $2 bill?

George Jefferson

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 09, 2024 06:15 PM (63Dwl)

104 I am not exactly into Numismatics, but many years ago, when I was a teen, my family was bricking a wood frame house and the brickers dug a deep trench around the whole house in order to lay the bricks. After they were done, my father made me go out and help them fill the trench back up with dirt, which I did not want to do. After a long while of shoveling and sweating, I was looking for any excuse to take a break, when my shovel hit something metallic. I stopped, looked down and found a mud-caked slug. I decided it would be a good idea to go into the nice, air-conditioned house and clean that slug off, just for kicks. Well, when I cleaned that slug off, it turned out to be a fifty-cent piece that was minted in 1821! It had a lady liberty on the front and it had words engraved on the edge, instead of ridges. Freaked me out! I kept that coin and consider it my lucky coin. I mean, what are the odds?

Posted by: Poleaux at November 09, 2024 06:16 PM (EYRKb)

105 I have some coins from Nazi Germany. Dad said he took them from dead soldiers.

Posted by: Archer at November 09, 2024 06:16 PM (IDphi)

106 Shortly before my great uncle died, he strongly suggested my grampa and I tear apart a certain beat up cabinet of uncle's. He claimed he stashed dozens of $20 gold pieces in there.

After he passed, we did as he asked and found a few dozen $20 Liberty Head double eagle gold coins from the very late 1800's and early 1900's. Naturally, he didn't trust banks and wouldn't store anything valuable there so in the old cabinet they went. He would give a traveling tinker $20 in bills and have him exchange them for a gold coin when he passed through Philly. They make the switch when the tinker passed by the farm next trip.

We doled them out to all of Uncle Check's (Jake) grand nieces and nephews. They were worth some real money.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2024 06:16 PM (WXNFJ)

107 I have little doubt he swiped it from someplace.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 05:52 PM (D6PGr)

Or, he had a collection himself, and wanted the whiskey more. Or, kept his lucky coin in his pocket and spent it by accident. So many possibilities!

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 06:17 PM (OX9vb)

108 As far as I know no US coin has been issued with that sort of edge lettering, so you probably have a foreign coin.
Posted by: Kindltot
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The Presidential dollar coin series.

The series ran from 2007 through 2016.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 06:17 PM (XeU6L)

109
Who should we put on the nood $2 bill?

George Jefferson
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

hawk tuah girl

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:17 PM (JdQN3)

110 I have heard stories of someone doing work on an old house, like a doctor or banker's home from the 30's, who found a cache of gold coins that were probably collected as a quiet redemption after the turn-in date. A banker couldn't risk getting caught with gold, he would lose his bank to the feds.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2024 06:18 PM (D7oie)

111 105 I have some coins from Nazi Germany. Dad said he took them from dead soldiers.
Posted by: Archer at November 09, 2024 06:16 PM (IDphi)

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FUN FACT: One of Schikelgruber's largest sources of steady income were the royalties he collected for the use of his image on German postage stamps.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:19 PM (hY4dx)

112 I have some coins from Nazi Germany. Dad said he took them from dead soldiers.
Posted by: Archer

To be fair, the fallen didn't need them anymore.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2024 06:19 PM (WXNFJ)

113 Then, there are the '42 to '45 silver nickles. I have a few.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 06:19 PM (XeU6L)

114 Who should we put on the nood $2 bill?

George Jefferson
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

hawk tuah girl
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:17 PM (JdQN3)

I didn't know she was dead. A safe possibility is John Adams, the 2nd US President.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 06:19 PM (VNX3d)

115 101 Trying to determine value is a bugger. I have some Eisenhower Centennial Dollar coins and I'll be damned if I can find a value on them. They are worth more than face value but the amounts vary tremendously.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 09, 2024 06:15 PM (t8vHj)
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Try the PCGS website. https://tinyurl.com/yc6ny6w5

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:20 PM (x31IN)

116
eh, John Adams was kinda a jimmy carter of his times

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:21 PM (JdQN3)

117 @108 I'm pretty sure that's what I have. I looked it up online after I found it, that's the only way I knew it had edge lettering.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2024 06:21 PM (CHHv1)

118 My home is on land that used to be farmland, and I've even found a few broken arrowheads. I dream about getting a metal detector and going around some of my 100 year oaks, and finding a box or a can of gold coins...

*sighs romantically*
Posted by: skywch at November 09, 2024 06:09 PM (uqhmb)

I can almost guarantee that there are still numerous , lost in time, double eagles and other gold coins buried when the government ordered it turned in.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 06:11 PM (D6PGr)

You know, metal detecting is also a popular hobby. I wonder if landowners could contract with a metal-detector hobbyist to have their land searched in detail? Maybe for expenses, plus a bonus if anything of value is found?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:21 PM (nezN1)

119 I had a small fortune in vintage currency until some fucking punk broke in my apartment, stole a shitload of over 2500 vinyl records, my coin collection and some homespun artwork.

These things happen when you're young and give access to classmates at a higher education level.

Don't believe for a second that these thieving bastards aren't casing the joint once you open the door.

It's not the same when she stole your heart and a rusty load.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 09, 2024 06:22 PM (eVr3D)

120 It's too easy to look at the US Mint catalog and decide which coins will go up in value. Like the Peace/Morgan dollar set.

Posted by: BLAH BLAH at November 09, 2024 06:23 PM (rMv1W)

121
Anyone watch the Adams miniseries with that guy from the wine-tasting movie, whatshisname? I liked it a lot....until the scene when he was disgusted by the africans building the white house (the one in Philadelphia, I think). I dunno, I'm not some nerd historian.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:24 PM (JdQN3)

122 Nemo that would to.me be something to hold as old as that

Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2024 06:24 PM (fwDg9)

123 You know, metal detecting is also a popular hobby. I wonder if landowners could contract with a metal-detector hobbyist to have their land searched in detail? Maybe for expenses, plus a bonus if anything of value is found?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:21 PM (nezN1)

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PRO TIP: Have an auditor onsite.

Posted by: DeBeers Consolidated Mining at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM (hY4dx)

124 I haven’t really collected paper money; but one set I wish I had bought years ago (before it got stratospherically expensive) is the series of US paper money from the 1890’s. The US didn’t keep the designs long because they were too expensive to print, but you should look that series up. Each bill was a work of art in the Beaux Arts style, and honestly I believe it is the most beautiful money ever printed by any government.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM (nJUfO)

125 @102

>>Excellent!! Please send photos when complete. I'll post in the content. I love hearing when the Horde tries something they see in the Hobby Thread.

I'll take some progress pictures and send them to you.

This vise is going to be a show piece and work horse once it's done, so I'm hoping it comes out good.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM (XV/Pl)

126 Doof,

Mister Scott is correct on the silver coins. There should be lots - if the stash of coins is sufficiently old.

If you haven't already done so you might want to go through those coins and pull out anything pre 64. The silver content on those coins is worth more than face value at this point. Also wheat pennies can bring a dime or so depending on the year.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 05:45 PM

You can instantly spot the silver coins once your eye becomes "acclimated" to the look.

Viewed on edge, the silver coins are monotone silver. Look at the edge of a current quarter, and you can see the clad metal on top of the "base" metal.

You can also easily spot pre-1965 silver coins just looking at the face and obverse. Modern coins are shiny, old silver coins have a deeper luster that is not nearly as shiny. (And looks like real silver place settings that have not been polished for a while.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM (HlyYF)

127 75
Who should we put on the nood $2 bill?
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Print a $3 dollar bill and put Obama on it.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM (Mr3X0)

128 Somewhere I've got a container of pennies from before when I was born. I imagine that some of them might go for one 100th of a dollar!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM (CHHv1)

129 I've got some uncut sheets of bank-issued notes from the 19th century, plus quite a bit of confederate currency (including some notes issued by North Carolina during the Civil War). I don't think any if it's worth very much, but it's mighty decorative.

Posted by: Paco at November 09, 2024 06:26 PM (njExo)

130 Anyone watch the Adams miniseries with that guy from the wine-tasting movie, whatshisname

Paul Giamatti

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:26 PM (hY4dx)

131 Btw, I think that's how my family originally went broke. Great-great-great-great grandpa bought bonds issued by the side that came in second in the Civil War.

Posted by: Paco at November 09, 2024 06:27 PM (njExo)

132 I like money

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2024 06:27 PM (u9/a9)

133 128 Somewhere I've got a container of pennies from before when I was born. I imagine that some of them might go for one 100th of a dollar!
Posted by: BeckoningChasm
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More than 1 cent each just by melt value. They are almost 100% copper.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 09, 2024 06:28 PM (Mr3X0)

134 My folks have currency from the Confederacy. I've been trying to help them find someone to appraise it.

And friends of mine have an old friend who is an expert on pennies. As in "He's made so much money selling rare pennies that he owns his house and doesn't need to work any more."

Posted by: NR Pax at November 09, 2024 06:29 PM (lXCUP)

135 75
Who should we put on the nood $2 bill?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:04 PM (JdQN3)

I'd still like to see a bill with Harriet Tubman with her shotgun. I don't care which denomination.

Can you imagine, if Trump the nazi racist ordered such a thing?

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 06:29 PM (OX9vb)

136 132 I like money - blaster

As Wodehouse said of one of his characters: "It's not that he was greedy; he just loved the stuff".

Posted by: Paco at November 09, 2024 06:30 PM (njExo)

137 Got a blanket dollar.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 09, 2024 06:30 PM (Mr3X0)

138 Numismatics. I once had to count concession stand intake (during the cash coin era) for my Junior High School. The Vice Principal gave me a list of coins to look for as he was into numismatics. I learned a bit, such as capital gains in coins did not count for tax reporting until transactions exceeded $10k. Is that still true? Same for collectors coins - they didnt count as money, but as valuables, and therefore had a different tax category.

I have stories.....

Posted by: goatexchange at November 09, 2024 06:30 PM (MjLpK)

139 PRO TIP: Have an auditor onsite.
Posted by: DeBeers Consolidated Mining at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM (hY4dx)

Heh. You'd have to give it some thought, alright.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:32 PM (nezN1)

140 132 I like money
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2024 06:27 PM (u9/a9)

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You blew it by not giving a concert for Kamala Harris in the last week of her campaign.

KA-CHHHHIIING!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:32 PM (hY4dx)

141 131 Btw, I think that's how my family originally went broke. Great-great-great-great grandpa bought bonds issued by the side that came in second in the Civil War.
Posted by: Paco at November 09, 2024 06:27 PM (njExo)

I’ve got one of those bonds with Stonewall Jackson’s picture on it that I bought at a dive in New Orleans for $30 back in the early 80’s, just to frame it and hang it on the wall. Amusingly it turned out to be a very rare issue and the value of it has gone up quite nicely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2024 06:33 PM (nJUfO)

142 One of my favorite songs begins with the lyric
"Ain't got the change of a nickel..."

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 09, 2024 06:33 PM (MeG8a)

143 140 132 I like money
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2024 06:27 PM (u9/a9)

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You blew it by not giving a concert for Kamala Harris in the last week of her campaign.

KA-CHHHHIIING!!!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:32 PM (hY4dx)

I have the perfect comeback, but I'll refrain from politics.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 06:34 PM (VNX3d)

144 My home is on land that used to be farmland, and I've even found a few broken arrowheads. I dream about getting a metal detector and going around some of my 100 year oaks, and finding a box or a can of gold coins...

*sighs romantically*
Posted by: skywch at November 09, 2024 06:09 PM (uqhmb)

My dad lived near Custer's battlefield when younger. He had a friend who's dad owned some of the land of Reno's retreat after attacking the Indian village. In Fall after his dad plowed under the field, dad and his friend would find all sorts of artifacts; spurs, casings, buckles and such. Never knew what happened to them.

Also, grandpa played Taps at the National Cemetery next to the battlefield museum.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 09, 2024 06:34 PM (hMzVg)

145 Speaking of Confederate money. I read in Bill O’Reilly’s Killing Lincoln book, that Abraham Lincoln carried around a few bucks of Confederate money. Don’t know why, but he had some in his pocket when he was assassinated.

Posted by: Poleaux at November 09, 2024 06:34 PM (EYRKb)

146 I expect that they will eventually eliminate the penny.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 06:35 PM (D6PGr)

147 Here's a sample of what I've got... coin wise.

https://ibb.co/fNKfLJW
https://ibb.co/5cg95dS

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 09, 2024 06:35 PM (Q4IgG)

148 I expect that they will eventually eliminate the penny.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 06:35 PM (D6PGr)

I thought that it's been discussed a few times.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 06:35 PM (VNX3d)

149 146 I expect that they will eventually eliminate the penny.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 09, 2024 06:35 PM (D6PGr)

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Under the Fourth Reich it will become the pfennig.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:36 PM (hY4dx)

150 I like big bucks and I can not lie.

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 06:36 PM (jgmnb)

151 Martini Farmer that's awesome

Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2024 06:37 PM (fwDg9)

152 I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 06:36 PM (jgmnb)

Hunting season has started in some areas. I can hear the shots at times.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 06:38 PM (VNX3d)

153 I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 06:36 PM (jgmnb)

Heh. Going into town this afternoon to take my trash to the dump, I spotted a fine-looking whitetail buck with his harem of 3 does on a hill scarcely a mile from town.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:38 PM (nezN1)

154 Who should we put on the nood $2 bill?
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Print a $3 dollar bill and put Obama on it.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM

How about printing out a $34 trillion IOU note and putting Obama's face on that?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:38 PM (HlyYF)

155 Howdy, Eromero!

How is Mrs. E. doing?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:39 PM (HlyYF)

156 Well this topic is a blast from the past. As a kid in the late 50s and early 60s, I collected pennies. Used one of those blue cardboard folders that held the coins by friction. This was far enough back that you could still get Indian head pennies in everyday change once in a while. I think an older cousin got me started. I might have gone on to collect nickels but that would have been serious buying power back then so I stopped with pennies.

It was fun especially when adults would let you go through their penny jar looking for dates and mints you didn't have yet. (I wonder if anyone uses penny jars anymore.) I think I still have that folder around here somewhere.

Posted by: JTB at November 09, 2024 06:41 PM (yTvNw)

157
If we had all just saved brand-new stamps, coins, and bills from the time we were kids...

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 09, 2024 06:41 PM (lCaJd)

158 128 Somewhere I've got a container of pennies from before when I was born. I imagine that some of them might go for one 100th of a dollar!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 09, 2024 06:25 PM

I expect old pennies are worth more than 1/100th of a dollar at the copper salvage sites.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:41 PM (HlyYF)

159 131 Btw, I think that's how my family originally went broke. Great-great-great-great grandpa bought bonds issued by the side that came in second in the Civil War.

Posted by: Paco at November 09, 2024 06:27 PM

Tough luck.

Nobody ever remembers who came in second!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:43 PM (HlyYF)

160 I'd like to collect Pieces of Eight and doubloons, but it's beyond my means, so I make my own pewter replicas of them instead (that's a hobby unto itself. ;-) They're nice little works of art (very realistic looking) and the only thing that spoils it for the doubloons is not getting them gold plated (which is very expen$ive, even before the price of gold went up.) My 1659 8-escudo Lima Star closely matches the only two known examples of the real thing... ;-)

Posted by: As not seen on TV at November 09, 2024 06:44 PM (itidG)

161 I remember that Hungary always had the best postage stamps.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:44 PM (tlbJn)

162 91 There are still valuable coins running around in circulation. I know people that go to banks and buy large quantities of dimes, quarters and half dollars and "mine" them for silver coins. Once they remove any silver they find they take the coins back to the bank, cash them in and start over at a different bank. Very time consuming and they rarely find many coins but it doesn't cost much other than the upfront buy in.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 06:11 PM
***
I have no plans to do this but I'm fascinated that people do it.

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:44 PM (x31IN)

163 Speaking of Confederate money. I read in Bill O’Reilly’s Killing Lincoln book, that Abraham Lincoln carried around a few bucks of Confederate money. Don’t know why, but he had some in his pocket when he was assassinated.
Posted by: Poleaux at November 09, 2024 06:34 PM (EYRKb)

One of the problems Lincoln had was the seriously depreciated greenbacks, which were notes issued by the Treasury to cover the expenses of conducting the war, with no redemption in gold. The problem with the South was even worse, the only US currency there was in mattresses and the official currency was worth nothing.
This was solved by ignoring the problem and the Greenback finally traded on par with the bank currency that was redeemable by 1880, and the South suffered and the poverty was one of the drivers of continuing resentment against the North.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2024 06:44 PM (D7oie)

164 I dream about getting a metal detector and going around some of my 100 year oaks, and finding a box or a can of gold coins...

*sighs romantically*
Posted by: skywch at November 09, 2024 06:09 PM (uqhmb)

Our house was built in the 1890s. Every time we dig ground for gardening, we hope we find that mason jar full of money. Lots of bits of mason jars...never any money.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 06:45 PM (OX9vb)

165 Although I didn't collect ancient coins, I do have a few Roman empire coins. The brother of a family friend lived in England and dug some up in his garden. They are rather common and have no real value. I just think it is cool to have something from about 2,000 years ago.

Posted by: JTB at November 09, 2024 06:45 PM (yTvNw)

166 I agree PI, how is Mrs E doing Mr E?

I have all sorts of European currency from those days prior to the EU and their Euro...just waiting for it all to fall apart as it eventually will...
I also have several bags of silver coins from when my mother died...never looked inside, so no idea what I have...guess I need to do that at some point.

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at November 09, 2024 06:45 PM (x31IN)

167 I'd still like to see a bill with Harriet Tubman with her shotgun. I don't care which denomination.

Can you imagine, if Trump the nazi racist ordered such a thing?

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 06:29 PM

I want Trump to do Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill with her shotgun in one hand and a bible in the other.

The wailing from the Lefties to prevent the first black woman from appearing on U.S. currency would be epic.

It would also be a classic Trump troll.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:46 PM (HlyYF)

168 My 1659 8-escudo Lima Star closely matches the only two known examples of the real thing... ;-)

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*looks at foil-covered gold doubloon*

*throws in trash*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:46 PM (tlbJn)

169 165 Although I didn't collect ancient coins, I do have a few Roman empire coins. The brother of a family friend lived in England and dug some up in his garden. They are rather common and have no real value. I just think it is cool to have something from about 2,000 years ago.

Posted by: JTB at November 09, 2024 06:45 PM
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There is a whole genre of coin cache history in England. I was going to include an example in the content, but pulled back in favor of saving the idea for a future thread. The best part is such coin clusters are known as "hoards."

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:49 PM (x31IN)

170 My 1659 8-escudo Lima Star closely matches the only two known examples of the real thing... ;-)

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*looks at foil-covered gold doubloon*

*throws in trash*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 09, 2024 06:46 PM (tlbJn)

Looks at foil covered chocolate coin.

Unwraps and eats it.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 06:49 PM (VNX3d)

171 I want to comment on college football but the last non-specialty thread is from before noon.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 06:49 PM (t1eo9)

172 Howdy, Grateful!

We may have to catch Mr. E. in the Gun Thread. He is usually in that one.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:49 PM (HlyYF)

173 Dash @ 164, lol! That's certainly the reality.

Posted by: skywch at November 09, 2024 06:50 PM (uqhmb)

174 I have heard stories of someone doing work on an old house, like a doctor or banker's home from the 30's, who found a cache of gold coins that were probably collected as a quiet redemption after the turn-in date. A banker couldn't risk getting caught with gold, he would lose his bank to the feds.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2024 06:18 PM

I talked to the guy who ran the regional dump in Connecticut when we lived there and he retrieved an old picture frame someone tossed out that had brand new from the bank US gold certificates in various denominations mounted on it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2024 06:51 PM (QNSds)

175 I wish I was rich

Very poor choice of words!

Posted by: the Joker at November 09, 2024 06:51 PM (gKWVE)

176
I want to comment on college football but the last non-specialty thread is from before noon.
Posted by: G'rump928

I just found out Wink Martindale got fired from Michigan.
I had no idea Wink Martindale was the coach of Michigan, and not doing game shows anymore.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:52 PM (JdQN3)

177 Georgia getting a butt kicking by Ole Miss.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 09, 2024 06:52 PM (NY5LD)

178 Looks at foil covered chocolate coin.

Unwraps and eats it.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 06:49 PM (VNX3d)

Heh! Beat me to it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:52 PM (mWEDI)

179 Anyhoo, correct me if I'm wrong physics/chemistry morons *koffaopkoff*, but I read that silver is a better conductor than copper, in addition to not rusting as fast. The reason we use Cu wire instead of Ag is because deeerrrp it's cheaper. (And Cu's still not even that cheap.)

Posted by: gKWVE at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM (gKWVE)

180 Come with me if you want to live ... free

https://refer.is/0p1isq2x

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM (t1eo9)

181 171 I want to comment on college football but the last non-specialty thread is from before noon.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 06:49 PM
***
If you can wait another 2 minutes of clock time, I'll allow it.

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM (x31IN)

182 171 I want to comment on college football but the last non-specialty thread is from before noon.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 06:49 PM

Is your hobby watching college football?

If so, seems allowable to this Idiot (since this thread is mostly winding down).

However, the COB is a lawyer, so you better preface your comment appropriately to give it just a touch of legal imprimatur.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM (HlyYF)

183 Started coin collecting in the early 60s and spent a lot of time searching pennies, nickels, and dimes (all I could really afford initially). Best moment was when I found a 1955 double die Lincoln cent, which I still have. Great hobby but it's gotten a lot pricier since I began.

Posted by: Retired, thank God! at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM (9BIt9)

184 Well, I managed to completely avoid doing any work on my Suburban today.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:54 PM (mWEDI)

185 It is a bit ironic that a Confederate $1 bill is now worth much more than a U.S. bill.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 06:54 PM (XeU6L)

186
Come with me if you want to live ... free

https://refer.is/0p1isq2x
Posted by: G'rump928

/nods approvingly

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:55 PM (JdQN3)

187 read that silver is a better conductor than copper, in addition to not rusting as fast. The reason we use Cu wire instead of Ag is because deeerrrp it's cheaper. (And Cu's still not even that cheap.)
Posted by: gKWVE
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Now do aluminum wire.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 06:56 PM (XeU6L)

188 One of the most amusing stories about confederate money I have read took place in the week before Appomattox, when the Confederate government had abandoned Richmond but had not yet surrendered. They had loaded their treasury (which was all paper, any gold was long gone) onto a train and sent it west, but it was intercepted and captured by a unit of US Cavalry. The men looted the train, stuffing their pants and shirts full of the currency - no officers cared, knowin it was worth nothing. The men recorded that that night, the entire unit had the most glorious Poker games the world had ever seen, with millions of dollars changing hands with each deal, and of course they had managed to loot a couple wagons of whiskey to make the festivities even more lively.

But there was a price to be paid, and they found out when the officers rode into camp at 7 am and ordered them all onto their horses and into action immediately!

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2024 06:56 PM (nJUfO)

189 /nods approvingly
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 06:55 PM (JdQN3)

Replace a slave owning Democrat with a escaped slave Republican.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 06:56 PM (t1eo9)

190 179 Anyhoo, correct me if I'm wrong physics/chemistry morons *koffaopkoff*, but I read that silver is a better conductor than copper, in addition to not rusting as fast. The reason we use Cu wire instead of Ag is because deeerrrp it's cheaper. (And Cu's still not even that cheap.)
Posted by: gKWVE

It's my understanding that Hanford and Oak Ridge Atomic Facilities used Ag wire in at least parts of the facilities as they needed more than a couple of shittons of it and Cu was needed elsewhere. Long after the war ended, they retrieved it and replaced it with copper.

That may have been called the Y-12 Silver Program or something.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2024 06:57 PM (WXNFJ)

191 Speaking of coins, while do have dime, bit worn from I think 1910, use to.long ago more than recently put coins of current year into places in buildings I work on. Maybe a long time from then someone will find them.
A little time capsule

Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2024 06:57 PM (fwDg9)

192 179 Anyhoo, correct me if I'm wrong physics/chemistry morons *koffaopkoff*, but I read that silver is a better conductor than copper, in addition to not rusting as fast. The reason we use Cu wire instead of Ag is because deeerrrp it's cheaper. (And Cu's still not even that cheap.)

Posted by: gKWVE at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM

Silver IS a better conductor.

Just think how much sh*t would be getting stolen if there was no copper in the Periodic Table and all of our wiring and motor windings were silver!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:58 PM (HlyYF)

193 Trivia omitted from the content - three Latin phrases are on the back of the dollar bill:
annuit cœptis “[He] has approved our undertakings”
novus ordo seclorum “a new order of the ages”
e pluribus unum “out of many, one.”

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 06:58 PM (x31IN)

194 180 Come with me if you want to live ... free

https://refer.is/0p1isq2x
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM (t1eo9)

That's the one I want. If they don't want to do it on the $20, I'm cool with a $2 or a special issue.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 06:59 PM (OX9vb)

195 It's my understanding that Hanford and Oak Ridge Atomic Facilities used Ag wire in at least parts of the facilities as they needed more than a couple of shittons of it and Cu was needed elsewhere. Long after the war ended, they retrieved it and replaced it with copper.
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'42-'45 silver replaced nickle in the 0.05 cent pieces because the nickle was needed for wartime production of steel.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 07:00 PM (XeU6L)

196 Anyhoo, correct me if I'm wrong physics/chemistry morons *koffaopkoff*, but I read that silver is a better conductor than copper, in addition to not rusting as fast. The reason we use Cu wire instead of Ag is because deeerrrp it's cheaper. (And Cu's still not even that cheap.)
Posted by: gKWVE at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM (gKWVE)

Interesting story there. During WWII, copper was in short supply for making brass cases for ammo. One place there was tons of copper, just sitting there? Aluminum smelters. They used massive copper bus bars (i.e. mega-scale "wires") to carry current to the electrolytic pots. So the U.S. government got silver bullion from the reserves, formed it into bus bars, and exchanged them, on a loan basis, for the copper bus bars in aluminum smelters. No danger of them being stolen; the smelters were running 24/7, and the bus bars charged with something 600 volts DC. Once the war ended, and copper again became available, the swap back was done.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 07:00 PM (mWEDI)

197
Why do some coins have ridges, and some are smooth-edged?

And what are those ridges called? Shirley there's a word for those notched/geared edges.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:00 PM (JdQN3)

198 Saved my coins form a ton of NATO contract work in the late 90s. Couple years ago, Smash found them, and made a coffee table, laid the coins out on it, and poured clear epoxy over them.

Now we have a coffee table that weighs a ton. But it's different.

Posted by: BifBewalski at November 09, 2024 07:00 PM (MsrgL)

199 You could use the uncut bill sheets as wrapping paper for a gift.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 09, 2024 07:01 PM (Y6IkP)

200 184 Well, I managed to completely avoid doing any work on my Suburban today.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 06:54 PM

I was going to go work at the farm today (my hobby).

Seven inches of rain in the last eight days kind of squished that weekend work.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 07:01 PM (HlyYF)

201 When I was an archeologist we would put a nickel from the then current year in each corner of a test pit before we filled it back in.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:01 PM (t1eo9)

202 * 5 cent pieces...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 07:02 PM (XeU6L)

203
You know why the Susan Anthony coin was lame & gay?

Because it wasn't round. It was, like, octagonal. And that made it seem....foreign, and like fake money.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:02 PM (JdQN3)

204 185 It is a bit ironic that a Confederate $1 bill is now worth much more than a U.S. bill.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 06:54 PM

In that circumstance, Democrats in power only had a mere four years to ramp up inflation!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 07:02 PM (HlyYF)

205 Ole Miss fans are about to storm the field.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:02 PM (t1eo9)

206 You know why the Susan Anthony coin was lame & gay?

Because it wasn't round. It was, like, octagonal. And that made it seem....foreign, and like fake money.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:02 PM (JdQN3)

and was too small, and goldish colored.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:03 PM (t1eo9)

207 You know why the Susan Anthony coin was lame & gay?

Because it wasn't round. It was, like, octagonal. And that made it seem....foreign, and like fake money.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:02 PM (JdQN3)

Wasn't it almost, if not exactly, the same size as a quarter, so it was easy for the vending machines to take your dollar coin and count it as a quarter? I seem to remember that happening to me on a few occasions.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 07:04 PM (VNX3d)

208 205 Ole Miss fans are about to storm the field.
Posted by: G'rump928(c

It's going to be glorious.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 09, 2024 07:04 PM (7j79k)

209 26 Sorry for the OT, but if there's a cob-logger around, post #21 from the pet thread needs a hose-off.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 09, 2024 05:48 PM (DTX3h)
***
Thank you. Banhammer applied.

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 07:05 PM (x31IN)

210 Just think how much sh*t would be getting stolen if there was no copper in the Periodic Table and all of our wiring and motor windings were silver!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 06:58 PM (HlyYF)

cheap motors and cheap transformers now often use aluminum wire instead of copper wire. Efficiency suffers a little.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 07:05 PM (mWEDI)

211 The first time Georgia has lost to someone other than Alabama since 2021.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:05 PM (t1eo9)

212 And what are those ridges called? Shirley there's a word for those notched/geared edges.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:00 PM (JdQN3)

Mentioned up thread, called “reeding”. Originally base metal coinage got smooth edges , silver and gold got better. Now it’s all base metal so it’s just tradition.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2024 07:05 PM (nJUfO)

213 College football discussion permitted. Looks a little messy at the end.

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 07:05 PM (x31IN)

214
and was too small, and goldish colored.
Posted by: G'rump928

Wasn't it almost, if not exactly, the same size as a quarter,
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

Yes!
What a FAIL.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:06 PM (JdQN3)

215
And what are those ridges called? Shirley there's a word for those notched/geared edges.
Posted by: Soothsayer
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'reeds'

Dime: 118
Quarter: 119
Half Dollar: 150

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 07:06 PM (XeU6L)

216 Vending machines and especially toll machines got better at sussing out a SBA dollar from a quarter, but most machines were built in the 1960s and 70s and businesses took a long time to swap out / upgrading them. GenX kids were constantly getting fucked by old machines in school or at the Y.

Posted by: gKWVE at November 09, 2024 07:06 PM (gKWVE)

217 Wink Martindale was great on Tic-Tac-Dough.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 09, 2024 07:06 PM (dR6yv)

218 Miami was exposed today.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:06 PM (t1eo9)

219
Mentioned up thread, called “reeding”.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Of course. I should've known that.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:07 PM (JdQN3)

220 The idea that during the "burning times" you can trade silver or gold for food, ammo, etc. is pretty silly. Hardly anyone alive today knows what a silver, or gold coin looks like, let alone is worth.

My modest collection is going to my son... who, if he's smart will spend some time finding the right buyers.

I'm not particularly optimistic. Not due to my son.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 09, 2024 07:08 PM (Q4IgG)

221 Ole Miss stormed the field after a Georgia 4th down but before the game ended. Does that count as a defensive penalty so that Georgia gets one more down?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:08 PM (t1eo9)

222 211 The first time Georgia has lost to someone other than Alabama since 2021.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:05 PM (t1eo9)

Wow. Nice job, Ole Miss! We're enjoying Indiana's undefeated season, too, even though we're Buckeyes.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 07:09 PM (OX9vb)

223 Fucking Texas Tech got beat by Colorado. I hate Deion Sanders. What a pretentious prick.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 09, 2024 07:09 PM (6GCZc)

224 Why do some coins have ridges, and some are smooth-edged?

And what are those ridges called? Shirley there's a word for those notched/geared edges.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:00 PM (JdQN3)

Described in one of the links above as "reeding". Intended to prevent the criminal practice of "shaving" small amounts of precious metal from the edges of coins for profit. Made the shaving apparent, and therefore harder to pass off the shaved coins as legitimate. Also called "milled edges" IIRC.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 07:09 PM (mWEDI)

225 Apparently not. Victory formation.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:09 PM (t1eo9)

226 194 180 Come with me if you want to live ... free

https://refer.is/0p1isq2x
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 06:53 PM (t1eo9)

I love those! One of my faves is Escape from Washington on. $5 bill, featuring Lincoln with an eye patch done up to look like Snake Plisken.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2024 07:09 PM (nJUfO)

227 The dime was established by the Coinage Act in 1792, but in the act it was called a “disme.” Disme (pronounced dime) was an old word, from French, for tenth, which came from the Latin decima. The more common spelling even at that time was “dime” and that was what people used as soon as it was minted.
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As an aside:
''The dime was established by the Coinage Act in 1792, but in the act it was called a “disme.” Disme (pronounced dime) was an old word, from French, for tenth, which came from the Latin decima. The more common spelling even at that time was “dime” and that was what people used as soon as it was minted."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 07:09 PM (XeU6L)

228 197 Why do some coins have ridges, and some are smooth-edged?

And what are those ridges called? Shirley there's a word for those notched/geared edges.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:00 PM

Those are called "reeded edges".

In Europe, guys with very sharp knives would try and take a tiny sliver from every silver coin that went through their hands. The trick was to NOT be greedy, so you could still spend that coin for full value.

If you did enough coins, you eventually created a nice weight of silver!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 07:10 PM (HlyYF)

229
I swear, just last week I was thinking about Toll Booth Collectors.

Hard to believe those people really existed, now.
Those people made a Living, like, their whole working careers, as toll booth collectors. Like, had a house, car, paid the bills, with a housewife at home, etc.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:10 PM (JdQN3)

230 Let's go Tigers!!!!!

!

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 09, 2024 07:12 PM (6GCZc)

231
Yea, Alabama! Drown 'em Tide!
Every 'Bama man's behind you,
Hit your stride.
Go teach the Bulldogs to behave,
Send the Yellow Jackets to a watery grave.
And if a man starts to weaken,
That's a shame!
For Bama's pluck and grit have
Writ her name in Crimson flame.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:13 PM (t1eo9)

232
Fight on, fight on, fight on men!
Remember the Rose Bowl, we'll win then.
Go, roll to victory,
Hit your stride,
You're Dixie's football pride,
Crimson Tide, Roll Tide, Roll Tide!!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:13 PM (t1eo9)

233 The idea that during the "burning times" you can trade silver or gold for food, ammo, etc. is pretty silly. Hardly anyone alive today knows what a silver, or gold coin looks like, let alone is worth.

My modest collection is going to my son... who, if he's smart will spend some time finding the right buyers.

I'm not particularly optimistic. Not due to my son.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 09, 2024 07:08 PM (Q4IgG)

I am certain that, come the Burning Times, there will be people who make it their business to know and understand precious metals and gemstones, and act as informal "bankers" for those people who want to exchange said stores of value for consumables.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 07:14 PM (mWEDI)

234 You know why the Susan Anthony coin was lame & gay?

Because it wasn't round. It was, like, octagonal. And that made it seem....foreign, and like fake money.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2024 07:02 PM (JdQN3)

and was too small, and goldish colored.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:03 PM (t1eo9)
***

The Germans hated them too. They looked too much like the Deutchmark.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2024 07:14 PM (W/lyH)

235 For the auto racing fans, Bobby Allison died today at age 86.

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 07:14 PM (x31IN)

236 218 Miami was exposed today.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:06 PM

So the players were showing off their junk at strip clubs like the Miami teams from the 80s?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2024 07:14 PM (HlyYF)

237 My oldest US mint coin is an 1800 Large Cent. My favorite coin is the Flying Eagle penny.

Posted by: tbodie Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at November 09, 2024 07:16 PM (nxhlp)

238 I am certain that, come the Burning Times, there will be people who make it their business to know and understand precious metals and gemstones, and act as informal "bankers" for those people who want to exchange said stores of value for consumables.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 07:14 PM (mWEDI)

People will get familiar in a hurry.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 09, 2024 07:16 PM (dR6yv)

239 What a nice, comprehensive money thread. Thanks!

Yes, I've been saving lots of change, now mostly inside booze bottles & jars because that's what some members of my family replace rapidly, and so..

Coin machines are rarely available anymore so wrappers it is. While it takes ages to look at each coin for type, age, mint mark, it's a great wintertime hobby.

Yeah, now I'm careful. I took my dad's Liberty & Buffalo nickels to feed into cigarette vending machines when I was a younger teen. I don't know how I'm still alive; his oldest and a girl, I guess. (Thirty+ years after his death, I still live with the regret. My poor both working parents with +kids didn't own a used car into well into their 30's.)

I worked in the U.S. Mint, Philadelphia for a bit & it was intriguing. The U.S. Mint dot gov, Tour the U.S. Philadelphia Mint' website you posted in part has several sections, including "learn," well worth visiting, too, i.e., Mint Artists, The U.S. Mint for Kids with the kids classroom, and more.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at November 09, 2024 07:16 PM (NFX2v)

240 ''The dime was established by the Coinage Act in 1792, but in the act it was called a “disme.” Disme (pronounced dime) was an old word, from French, for tenth, which came from the Latin decima. The more common spelling even at that time was “dime” and that was what people used as soon as it was minted."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2024 07:09 PM (XeU6L)

"Brother, can you spare a disme?" just doesn't quite trip off the tongue well.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 07:16 PM (mWEDI)

241 A friend back in Ohio was an avid WW2 collector. Besides the usual stuff, he had some paper currency used by German occupation troops and some that was used to pay the rare cases of paid forced labor.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 09, 2024 07:17 PM (gm9Sb)

242 TRex, thank you pointing me to that site. If I am reading everything correctly--hot damn.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 09, 2024 07:17 PM (t8vHj)

243 Wow. Nice job, Ole Miss! We're enjoying Indiana's undefeated season, too, even though we're Buckeyes.

Yeah, the Hoosiers appear to be for real this year.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 09, 2024 07:17 PM (mH6SG)

244 218 Miami was exposed today.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:06 PM (t1eo9)

Norman Saint-Sauvage dropped the Nude Bomb on Miami?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 07:18 PM (VNX3d)

245 Drop a disme.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 09, 2024 07:18 PM (dR6yv)

246 The Fairmont hotel in SF had a coin cleaning operation. You could give the help your coins to wash so they wouldn't dirty up the ladies' white gloves.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 09, 2024 07:19 PM (MeG8a)

247 South Carolina becomes bowl eligible with this win over Vandy.

I think they will a contender next year.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2024 07:19 PM (t1eo9)

248 The old timer told us that loggers would stash money at the camps. If they died in an accident, no one knew where their stash was. It would be a good place to use a metal detector.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 09, 2024 07:19 PM (gfViB)

249 In the same way, some countries use lettering impressed in the rim of coins in place of the reeding. This is a fairly technical process so it is used on higher denomination coins. As far as I know no US coin has been issued with that sort of edge lettering, so you probably have a foreign coin.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2024 06:04 PM (D7oie)

The $20 St Gaudens has raised words (E Pluribus Umun) and stars on the edge.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at November 09, 2024 07:19 PM (l7Kbv)

250 SMU is good again? They've not been anything since the early 80s? Late 70s?

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 09, 2024 07:19 PM (0wzNL)

251 Fun fact, the law that established US coinage required all coins have the word Liberty minted on them.

Posted by: tbodie Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at November 09, 2024 07:21 PM (nxhlp)

252 I do wonder, though, why wasn't there change, or there was very limited change, available during C19.

It couldn't be staffing of the plants so maybe availability of appropriate manufacturing coils caused the disruption.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at November 09, 2024 07:22 PM (NFX2v)

253 SMU is good again? They've not been anything since the early 80s? Late 70s?
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 09, 2024 07:19 PM (0wzNL)

Damn near got the death penalty.

Eric Dickerson was a helluva rb.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 09, 2024 07:22 PM (dR6yv)

254 I received a One Dollar silver note as change for a purchase late last year. Damn thing was older than me. Not worth all thst much, honestly, but definitely worth more than the bills they are printing today.

Makes me wonder, though, if I were to try to trade it in for actual silver, would I receive the amount of silver one dollar would get you in the year it was printed, or the amount one dollar would get you today?

Damn, I had to go look it up:

Redemption
When first issued, silver certificates could be redeemed for silver dollar coins. In 1967, they could be redeemed for raw silver bullion for one year. Since 1968, they have only been redeemable for Federal Reserve Notes.

Best off bringing it to a real collector, it would seem.

Posted by: tankdemon at November 09, 2024 07:25 PM (HWk5x)

255 Time to say goodnight before the next act takes the Ace of Spades stage. Thanks to all for being here and participating. Lots of great stories. The knowledge of the Horde is amazing.

Go Vols.

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 07:25 PM (x31IN)

256 Thanks much, TRex.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 09, 2024 07:25 PM (mH6SG)

257 I collected coins for a spell as a teen. They're all in storage somewhere at my parents house, so I have to go from memory on what I have... One of the neatest coins was a WWII era steel penny. Copper was needed for the war for a year or two, so they put other metals into the penny. They are silver colored and I think they were even magnetic!

Other neat things were Proof-copy of a commemorative Washington Half Dollar. (From 1982, according to a quick web search.) Then I also had a...half dollar, or silver dollar, maybe a walking liberty half dollar...whatever, a century old coin from the now-defunct New Orleans mint.

Posted by: Castle Guy at November 09, 2024 07:27 PM (Lhaco)

258 Next week we can argue about stamps. Maybe?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 09, 2024 07:28 PM (Q4IgG)

259 In a similar vein, I learned recently that cowry shells were once used as currency in Africa/Asia. The kanji I was studying for “buying” had the kanji for “shellfish” in it and I found that interesting so had to go digging. Shells for bells or something like that. Metal seems smarter but shells can’t be fabricated. Or can they?

Posted by: H at November 09, 2024 07:29 PM (9Q9/u)

260 Used to have a Rhodesian piece of currency, a few years before "we reduced it to stones", er, Zimbabwe.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 09, 2024 07:29 PM (hn6MG)

261 Next week we can argue about stamps. Maybe?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 09, 2024 07:28 PM (Q4IgG)

That would be interesting. I collected stamps as a pre-teen, and had an album full, plus many unsorted ones. Still have them, I think. None of them would less than 29 years old.

Thanks, TRex, for an interesting thread.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2024 07:33 PM (mWEDI)

262 When I was a teen I used a $5 "Silver Certificate" bill at a drugstore and the manager called the cops on me. Fortunately the cop was smarter than the manager and explained it to him.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at November 09, 2024 07:34 PM (Hw6WF)

263
No Nikki Haley or Mike Pompeo in Trump II.

Happy lessons can be learned.

Posted by: Auspex at November 09, 2024 07:34 PM (j4U/Z)

264 Gold and Silver Certificates are proof that the U.S. govt. breaks contracts.

I have a $5 Silver Cert. It's good for a laugh.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at November 09, 2024 07:35 PM (+H2BX)

265 167
'I want Trump to do Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill with her shotgun in one hand and a bible in the other.'

Trump won't supplant Andrew Jackson. That's his favorite president.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 09, 2024 07:36 PM (3wi/L)

266 $2 bills are not rare.

They were made, it seems, for the racetrack.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at November 09, 2024 07:36 PM (+H2BX)

267 Thank you TRex!! I try to learn something new everyday. Your post has caught me up for weeks.

Posted by: jayhawkone at November 09, 2024 07:37 PM (9rPx3)

268 265 167
'I want Trump to do Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill with her shotgun in one hand and a bible in the other.'

Trump won't supplant Andrew Jackson. That's his favorite president.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 09, 2024 07:36 PM (3wi/L)

There's always the $10 and $50.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 09, 2024 07:37 PM (VNX3d)

269 267 Thank you TRex!! I try to learn something new everyday. Your post has caught me up for weeks.

Posted by: jayhawkone at November 09, 2024 07:37 PM
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Thank you! Very kind. I learn along with everyone here. Let's do it again next week.

Posted by: TRex at November 09, 2024 07:38 PM (x31IN)

270 I have a buffalo nickel. Got it in change one day, long ago. Very worn and polished from years in circulation.

Posted by: Don Black at November 09, 2024 07:39 PM (/7KEl)

271 So Mrs.E made potato soup for supper, after knee surger on 28 Oct and only 3 p/t sessions. She’s tired of my cooking.

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 07:40 PM (LHPAg)

272 Very thankful for her speedy recovery...may it continue and include banana pudding....

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at November 09, 2024 07:41 PM (x31IN)

273 Recommended dealers of authentic ancient coins, especially Roman? Thanks.

Posted by: Gref at November 09, 2024 07:42 PM (aBgBM)

274 Grateful, we are not going to let Eromero off with out making nanner puddin next year.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 09, 2024 07:43 PM (t8vHj)

275 216
'GenX kids were constantly getting fucked by old machines in school or at the Y.'

I don't remember any fuck machines when I was a kid. Where did you live?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 09, 2024 07:44 PM (3wi/L)

276 Movie thread's open. I'm out. G'night, horde!

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 09, 2024 07:47 PM (OX9vb)

277 274 Grateful, we are not going to let Eromero off with out making nanner puddin next year.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 09, 2024 07:43 PM (t8vHj
Mrs.E asks how is RancherBob in the knee dept?

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 07:47 PM (LHPAg)

278 Eromero, surgery was on the 7th. I will know more tomorrow.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 09, 2024 07:49 PM (t8vHj)

279 273 Gref: Civitas Galleries in Middleton, WI. I have dealt with them for decades. One of only 2 dealers I trust to mail order.
They have a website.

Posted by: Neoluddite at November 09, 2024 07:50 PM (rGsRL)

280 278 Eromero, surgery was on the 7th. I will know more tomorrow.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 09, 2024 07:49 PM (t8vHj)
May it please GOD to heal our weak-kneed morons!

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 07:50 PM (LHPAg)

281 I have a 1971 New Penny from Britain. I have seen values from 4 cents to $250. LOL

I also recently acquired a 2007 George Washington dollar coin. Funny. The date is on the edge.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at November 09, 2024 07:51 PM (+H2BX)

282 "The dollar got the name Buck because western gamblers used a buck knife as place holder ( the button) . A dollar coin was eventually used but they continued to call it a buck"

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Uh, no. The term "buck" goes back to the mid-1700s, when buckskins were used as trade currency. It transferred to coinage.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 09, 2024 07:52 PM (5YmYl)

283 I like to think of the history in the time and place a coin was circulated. It's fun to think about the Roman soldier being paid with the silver denarius you are holding, or maybe Abe Lincoln's father bought a pig with that 1808 half dollar.

Posted by: Neoluddite at November 09, 2024 07:58 PM (rGsRL)

284 283 I like to think of the history in the time and place a coin was circulated. It's fun to think about the Roman soldier being paid with the silver denarius you are holding, or maybe Abe Lincoln's father bought a pig with that 1808 half dollar.
Posted by: Neoluddite at November 09, 2024 07:58 PM (rGsRL)
Roman soldier said ‘wait a minute, this is a bag of salt!’

Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2024 08:01 PM (LHPAg)

285 In a similar vein, I learned recently that cowry shells were once used as currency in Africa/Asia. The kanji I was studying for “buying” had the kanji for “shellfish” in it and I found that interesting so had to go digging. Shells for bells or something like that. Metal seems smarter but shells can’t be fabricated. Or can they?
Posted by: H at November 09, 2024 07:29 PM (9Q9/u)

there was one shell money that used a rare purple shell for currency, and at some point it was found that the not so rare white shelled variety could be roasted to turn purple, and that was a form of counterfeiting
Also, in the PNW trade, dentalia shells were used as currency, in part because they were so hard to harvest from deep water. Once new techniques showed up to harvest them easier they lost value.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2024 08:03 PM (D7oie)

286 Popping in just to tell my coin story:

I pick up pennies.This policy applies to larger coins.

Once in a parking lot in JoCo KS, I picked up what looked like a quarter. It turned out to be Danish. (This was well after the euro had been imposed, so obviously it had been lost by someone who was just keeping it. Poor guy.)

I kept that in my car for a year, only to find it gone after I had taken my car in for servicing. I suspect that somebody thought it was gold -- but for all I know, the vacuum cleaner got it.

The next few times I took in the car, I left a $5 bill in the ashtray. It never vanished.

I still miss that coin. And I wonder how it got to KC in the first place.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 09, 2024 08:53 PM (p/isN)

287 Traveling through Denver, visited the Mint.
Asked a guy working there, "Do you make much money here?"
And, "how often are you asked that stupid question?"
Yes and every 5 minutes was the answer.
Nice guy. Works for pennies.

Posted by: jimmymcnulty at November 09, 2024 11:24 PM (rIAbh)

288 Surprised I did not see this website mentioned in this thread.

https://www.wheresgeorge.com/

Posted by: Scott9192 at November 10, 2024 02:46 AM (p7QcU)

289 Thanks for the thread TRex! I appreciated the German _Notgeld_, that's a completely new thing to me.

My collecting slacked off when I moved over here ("Temporarily for 11 months each year," as I maintain). I had been collecting the 50 state quarters; and then the national park quarters. It was a bit too challenging due to only being home a handful of weeks per year.

I had also been trying to collect Euro coins from all EU nations. I mostly stopped when I went to the Vatican and discovered I couldn't get Vatican Euro coins--I don't think they're in circulation; plus San Marino and (IIRC) Monaco were difficult to find. And then the EU added a bunch of countries and I just cast my hands aloft in exasperation.

Posted by: SPinRH_F-16 at November 10, 2024 07:14 AM (NezMn)

290 I've been buying those Disme Trump coins. All copper or silver. Not too expensive and they give me a chuckle.

Just like wearing a ULTRA-MAGA t-shirt.

Posted by: BonHagar at November 10, 2024 04:28 PM (epxEx)

291 To answer your question.
I bought and framed a sheet of $1 for my father who was a bookkeeper. He put it up in his office. His clients were fascinated by it, the most common question being "Is that real?"
An interesting trivia is that each bill was 100 off from the next so that when stacked and cut, the serial numbers are sequential.

Posted by: Max Entropy at November 10, 2024 08:56 PM (rGssv)

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