Saturday Night Movie Thread [moviegique]: The Bad and the Beautiful (Megalopolis, Joker 2 & more)

Just as I sometimes will avoid a movie that's too over-hyped, knowing that most movies can't live up to the buzz, I occasionally will see movies that everyone is dumping on, especially if there's some conflicting or interesting angle to the criticisms.

For Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis I saw one review that said only "Free popcorn refills" and another claiming that Coppola had reached Neil Breen levels. But our very own Eris said she kinda loved it, and I knew, at a minimum, Coppola would lard the movie up with cinematic references, which appeal to humble fans of cinema such as yours truly.

I then compounded my woes by going to see Joker 2—I'm not typing out that French crap—and what I can honestly say about both films that Pitch Meeting covered both very accurately. In-between, I saw the restoration of 2006's The Fall, which is a beautiful masterpiece and it got me to thinking about how the other two films failed on fundamentals without being beautiful enough to make their flaws overlookable.

Megalopolis

For fifty years, until the release of Star Wars in 1977, Metropolis was the science-fiction movie, and is still one of the great cinematic achievements. Even today, it impresses, and it's quite easy to forget that its underlying message, spelled out in a literal epitaph is:

“The mediator between the HAND and the BRAIN must be the HEART.”

In this case, the HAND is Communism and the BRAIN is Fascism. It's 1927 Germany, what else could they say? Nonetheless, the ham-handed messaging practically destroys this classic.

So while it is not surprising that Coppola would take that film as the germ for what would be his magnum opus, it's somewhat surprising that he would say "Only my movie is going to have EVEN MORE painfully inappropriate or inapt epitaphs."

A giant statue of Justice literally swoons in the streets of New York. Er, New Rome. Whatever.

This is not his magnum opus, mind you. But it was to have been. And as I watched, I could see glimpses of his original fever-dream, a vision of a three-day cinematic experience which chronicles the rise and fall and rise of Cesar Catalina, the architect of Megalopolis, a—well, a borough in New York, apparently.

It could've been great: Cesar would rise from the streets to power through his sheer ability culminating in evicting all the people who already lived in the place where Megalopolis was. That'd be the first movie. The second would be his struggles in getting Megalopolis built, securing financing and running afoul of city politics threatening to end his dream. The last movie would have him thwarting his enemies and achieving dream: An advanced city of...moving sidewalks. (Coppola did the writing by himself, with an assist from son Roman, and that was a mistake.)

But the first half of this movie has tremendous charm. Like the best of bad movies, it surprises you with novel ways of being bad. Cesar (Adam Driver) can stop time! This is a metaphor for creative ability, and the only bearing it has on anything is that his love interest (Nathalie Emmanuel) can see him do this.

The rules for this time-stopping are very vague, to boot.

Not weird enough? Well, Cesar carries a bunch of roses to his apartment and when he walks in, they fly off on their own.

A light-saber for nerds.

There's enough in the first third or so to keep things interesting. But then we start getting into plot, which we really didn't need and which drags the movie down.

The mixing of Shakespearean dialogue (Cesar actually does most of "To Be Or Not To Be" speech at one point) and modern vulgar slang works very poorly and most actors are not up to it. Driver actually does. It's hard not to respect him for pulling off reciting what is essentially gibberish. (The other one who manages is Aubrey Plaza, who chews the scenery and spits out the nails as Cesar's jilted lover, and the seductress of Shia LeBeouf, in a particularly porny scene.)

Fundamentally, though, the premise is based on the ultimate left-wing conceit: That a perfect environment will make perfect people. The wretched refuse that Cesar has rendered homeless are, one presumes, going to occupy Megalopolis even as, moments earlier, they threatened to burn it down.

But it's not a bad looking film. There are moments that are quite nice, visually.

It was better in Coppola's head for sure.

Joker: Folie à Deux

By comparison with Megalopolis, Joker 2 is much more successful at what it's trying to do, and also much harder to watch. The conceit of having Arthur (Joquin Phoenix) hallucinate that he's in a musical no one can see, except for Lee (Lady Gaga), who joins in it with him, is actually a clever way to avoid having to do lots of wordy emotional scenes between two crazy people. The choice of upbeat music, particularly themed around showtunes, is also a clever way to get the idea across.

And the idea is, Arthur, who's not The Joker, has a cult following that is dedicated to The Joker. Lee's attraction to him is based on him being The Joker. The world is more-or-less at his feet, if only he'll be The Joker. So our little sad sack of an anti-hero-but-also-not-really-a-hero is given the choice of being even crazier or trying to just, y'know, be himself (which is crazy enough).

This movie has a lot of the original movie's sense of style, evoking pseudo-1981, and the same miserable premise is here: watching a man struggle with his sanity in a cruel and brutal world.

This really doesn't work as entertainment. There are many, many elements of the original that deflect from the misery porn: We sort of root for Arthur. Until we're shown exactly how crazy and dangerous he is, we can kind of believe he's turning his life around. He's moving around the city, doing things. He's trying to achieve his dreams and handling his failures by hallucinating. It's something, at least.

I don't remember this scene from the movie. Maybe I blacked out, though.

Here, he goes back-and-forth between an asylum and a court room.

In a traditional musical, the song-and-dance numbers stop the action. This is also true of Joker 2, except that there was no action to stop. And the musical numbers are uncomfortable to interpret, much like if the "Singin' in the Rain" scene in Clockwork Orange was the entire movie.

I realized early on, the only way to get through the movie was going to be to really pay attention to those musical numbers. That's where the "action" was, the evolution of the relationship between Lee and Arthur was, as well as his struggle with his identity. So I wasn't bored, though I wasn't exactly enchanted, either.

The Boy hated it pretty hard. He doesn't know the songs, and found that the whole identity struggle was neutered by the fact that the movie makes it very clear early on: Arthur is not Joker. He's not wrong about this. It's almost as if the creators were afraid to give Arthur an opportunity to at least toy with being wildly evil.

I would recommend this film to even fewer people than the original. If the two films together average half-a-billion, that's still way too much.

The Fall (2006)

I have a full review up this film up from 2006, one of the first I wrote during the blogging era, and the Boy and I trundled down to catch it, thinking it was a one-night deal. (It actually got a little wider release, I guess because it's a 4K restoration.)

It's a masterpiece. Visually stunning, and using a child's perspective as creative license, the story is both whimsical and grimly serious. I had a stye when I saw it, and had forgotten it was a tearjerker. Then my eye started stinging like crazy. Besides the beauty of this film, it handles tone shifts expertly. The little girl is a little girl and prone to silly things, and the story he tells her is very silly.

She also makes childish mistakes in trying to help him kill himself. She doesn't know quite what he's doing, but she knows something is off. And the switch from the whimsical to the grave is heart-wrenching.

But it's a joyful movie overall, and well worth watching. Director Tarsem (Singh) will probably never make anything like this ever again—probably no one will. But that's okay, this is a genuine magnum opus that knows exactly what it's doing, and does it excellently.

Also Screened:

There were an assortment of movies, both bad and beautiful—actually, they were all pretty good, which isn't a huge surprise given they were all-but-two reissues of films we liked. I may review one of these for next time.

Killer Klowns From Outer Space (198: A standard invaders-from-space story is enlivened by making the aliens literal clowns. There's an oh-so-brief suggestion that human clowns were inspired by these invaders in the past, but just enough to allow our characters to take the adventure seriously. A limited budget meant that a couple of truly great effects were left on the cutting room floor, but for '80s horror-comedy, this still shines and is very watchable and entertaining. The Chiodo brothers have been threatening a sequel for decades, and IMDB says they're in production, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Lisa Frankenstein (2024): Among the many spectacular flops of 2024, Lisa Frankenstein goes overlooked. It made less than $10M on a $13M budget, so it can't compare with either Megalopolis (less than $10M on a $120M budget) or Joker 2 (less than $60M on an alleged $200M budget), and it's also much easier to watch as a film. It's got a sort of Edward Scissorhands/Heathers feel and even takes place in 1989. The tonal shifts can make things feel uneven and I'm not sure if the ending made sense, exactly, but it already has a cult following, which is why I took the Barbarienne to see it. (I was the only XY chromosome in the place.) Written by Diablo Cody and directed by Zelda Williams, the daughter of Robin.

Ringu (199: This horror classic is weathering a bit like the old Universal classics. It's kind of slow-moving and low-key, and suffering from its own considerable influence on the genre. It's still good and enjoyable, but the "wow" factor isn't there anymore.

Smile 2: The original Smile is far from a great movie—Jump Scare: The Movie, I think I called it—but it won both the Boy and I over for a couple of reasons. First, the people making it cared. This is someone's baby, and none of it is phoned in. Second, while the beats are mostly pretty predictable, it commits and gives us a Smile monster, so we don't have to go into the whole "well, was there REALLY a monster?" and "Maybe the real monster is the friends we made along the way!" We both had dim hopes the sequel would be able to sustain this but, by-and-large, it works well, maybe even a little better than the original. The Boy did not care for the end, which is telegraphed way early on, but is not really possible with this genre of horror. (I mentioned in my review of the first, that this is my least favorite genre of horror, and I can't say why without spoiling it. Same here.)

The Masque of the Red Death (1964): Part of Roger Corman's "Poe Cycle," pretty much the best movies he made (along with "The Intruder"), and at the height of his directorial powers. Vincent Price is a decadent Italian baron who torments his peasants and brings a pretty young girl in to seduce while he tortures her father and boyfriend. Orgies abound, and the dreaded Red Death sweeps the countryside. Price actually is an avowed Satanist here, convinced that The Devil has killed God and will spare him from the Red Death if he sacrifices enough people to it. Slow by modern standards, with beautiful costumes and sets, and "exteriors" that are (wonderfully) painted soundstages, it was refreshing and held up well.

Terrifier 3: With a $2M budget and looking to pass Joker 2 at the domestic box office with over $50M in ticket sales, this movie is an even unlikelier success than Joker. I've waxed enthusiastic about Terrifier 2, though I am no gore-hound, because I think it really transcends its own genre. Terrifier 3 is not, to my mind, as good, but it's still quite good. It feels more realistically brutal, which makes it harder to watch, but the main focus of the film is showing the aftermath of the previous series of events, which turned Lauren LaVera into a basket case. Certainly worth seeing, and maybe re-seeing, because there are a lot of interesting details. If you can stomach the gore, it's a good film.

Final girl.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 08:32 PM

Comments

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1 Sorry about the lack of links. Just finished right this second.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 07:33 PM (asXVI)

2 Good evening

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 02, 2024 07:37 PM (dE3DB)

3 Evenin'.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 02, 2024 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)

4 Crocodile Dundee is on as noise in the background.

Posted by: jsg at November 02, 2024 07:41 PM (7kKPC)

5 I thought that was the Village People in The Fall section.

Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 07:43 PM (LHPAg)

6 I think I might cue up a few cross-country racing movies tomorrow, to avoid the news. Cannonball Run, Cannonball, The Gumball Rally, and perhaps some others.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 02, 2024 07:44 PM (VNX3d)

7 *puts historian's hat on*

"Metropolis" is also a reflection of the traditional German attitude toward politics in the 1920s. Simply put, not a fan. There's a long-running trope among German intellectuals and statesmen that partisan politics is inherently foreign to the spirit of the country, that the German Volk is meant to be an organic whole, and the talk of a "mediator" directly reflected this. The mediator was to be a quasi-spiritual figure who would transcend such divisions and fuse the different components into a united community once more.

This is also exactly why the Nazis loved it, because they saw it as an endorsement of non-partisan, charismatic leadership. Aka, Hitler.

Posted by: Dr. T at November 02, 2024 07:44 PM (lHPJf)

8 Ah cannonball was a classic with the roger moore cameos

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 07:45 PM (pGTZo)

9 Fritz Lang fled to America leaving his wife (and writer) Thea von Harbou behind.

She had joined the Nazi party.

I think that's pretty fair grounds.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 07:45 PM (asXVI)

10 The best new horror movie I saw is probably Late Night with the Devil. I enjoyed everything about it.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 02, 2024 07:45 PM (Cp1vk)

11 Kamala Harris to make surprise appearance on Saturday Night Live

Posted by: SMOD at November 02, 2024 07:45 PM (GITLP)

12 *takes historian's hat off*

Also, I didn't see "Lisa Frankenstein," but Kathryn Newton looked kinda hot in the promos.

Posted by: Dr. T at November 02, 2024 07:46 PM (lHPJf)

13 I've been posting on other threads that I was really wrong about my assumption of Furiosa. Watched it for free on On Demand. I really didn't like Fury Road because I personally saw it as a boring girl power movie. I thought Furiosa would be more of the same only worse.

I actually found it not to be girl power at all and really enjoyed it. The only thing that bothered me was knowing she grew up to make a girl power movie😀.

Posted by: Test name at November 02, 2024 07:46 PM (ndoNK)

14 I tried to watch metropolis twice

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 07:46 PM (pGTZo)

15 Ah cannonball was a classic with the roger moore cameos
Posted by: Miguel cervantes

That was Cannonball Run, with Dom DeLuise as Captain Chaos.

Cannonball is similar, but older, with David Carradine.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at November 02, 2024 07:47 PM (VNX3d)

16 11 Kamala Harris to make surprise appearance on Saturday Night Live
Posted by: SMOD at November 02, 2024 07:45 PM (GITLP)

As the Ignorant Slut ?

Posted by: jsg at November 02, 2024 07:47 PM (7kKPC)

17 On tcm but i dont have that kind of pacience

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 07:47 PM (pGTZo)

18 There's a film on Netflix called I am the Pretty girl that lives in the House, I think. Spine chilling, more like The Haunting than Halloween.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 02, 2024 07:48 PM (Cp1vk)

19 || The best new horror movie I saw is probably Late Night with the Devil. I enjoyed everything about it. ||

Joe Bob Briggs did on The Last Drive-In a week ago with David Dastmalchian in the house to interview. Very recommended.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 07:49 PM (asXVI)

20 Moon pitchers!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 02, 2024 07:50 PM (IvmRU)

21 Time for a little Catholic horror at the Dungeon of Discord: "Immaculate". Some priests and nuns are trying to immanentize another savior, but I'm going to guess that what's growing inside this virgin nun's womb isn't holy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 07:50 PM (kpS4V)

22 An megalopolis conceptually seemed sound but he lost the point

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 07:51 PM (pGTZo)

23 I seen Metropolis 2 times, but then I love old movies and effects and wardrobes

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 07:52 PM (fwDg9)

24 >>I then compounded my woes by going to see Joker 2—I'm not typing out that French crap

When the director literally ass rapes his protagonist, you know you're dealing with a special kind of retarded.

That movie was made from a very deep and nasty place in Todd Phillips heart.

Dude should never be able to work again after what he did in that film.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 07:54 PM (XV/Pl)

25 My new current fixation is 3D printing movie posters/placards.

Currently printing The Big Lebowski and having a White Russian to celebrate.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 07:56 PM (XV/Pl)

26 Really liked Terrifier 3 (probably mentioned that in a previous movie thread). The second one was better for me because it really set up the supernatural element that was teased at the end of #1. For whatever reason I like even slasher horror to have some supernatural bent. Probably plays better in my head than pure evil people doing evil things.

Number 3 had some very creative gore that added interest beyond the very shocking scenes in 1 and 2. Hoping they go on to explore the deeper premise introduced in this last one.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 07:56 PM (ftFVW)

27 Yes put him in a gimp suit

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 07:57 PM (pGTZo)

28 She Hobbit, you are a bloody-minded gorehound!

(I'd love to go to a midnight movie fest with you)

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 07:58 PM (kpS4V)

29 Megalopolis is no Harley Davidson and The Marlboro Man.

IT WAS ROBBED OF AN OSCAR!!

DON JOHNSON'S FINEST MOVIE!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 07:59 PM (rii+a)

30 Well it wasnt terrible but it had modest goals

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:00 PM (pGTZo)

31 But our very own Eris said she kinda loved it

Be advised this is the same Eris who very often doesn't wear pants in the Book Thread.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at November 02, 2024 08:00 PM (a3Q+t)

32 Well it was pretty bad

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:01 PM (pGTZo)

33 "Killer Klowns" is one of those "We deliberately made a bad movie!" films that would be intolerable, if not for the fantastic Klown animatronics. Those, and the production design and effects make it worth seeing. It's certainly not the story, the acting or the performances. There are a pair of old vets who are awesome though, and here are there money quotes:

"Well, I'll be greased and fried!"

"Killer Klowns, from Outer Space! Holy sh!t!"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 02, 2024 08:02 PM (CHHv1)

34 Also, the KKfOS music is great.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 02, 2024 08:03 PM (CHHv1)

35 Lisa Frankenstein is on prime. Was thinking about watching it.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 02, 2024 08:04 PM (dE3DB)

36 talking about killer clowns ...

The Pentagon Fails to Send Absentee Ballots to Active Military Service Members

Do they think they are 'Suckers' and 'Losers' ? They certainly treat them that way.

Posted by: SMOD at November 02, 2024 08:04 PM (GITLP)

37 All Hail Eris, I think we would have a MARVELOUS time at a midnight movie fest!

*scribbles addition to bucket list*

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:04 PM (ftFVW)

38 || When the director literally ass rapes his protagonist, you know you're dealing with a special kind of retarded.

I'm with EVS on that: I don't see that interpretation as plausible. The idea that Brendan Gleeson and his fat Irish cop buddies were going to ass-rape Arthur is a little outlandish.

That said, the way the movie cuts off, it leaves it open to interpretation, which is dumb.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 08:05 PM (asXVI)

39 I really liked Lisa Frankenstein and am sorry it did not succeed.

Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 08:05 PM (IGdP8)

40 I think "Apocalypse Now" was a kind of dividing point for Coppola. It has a story and visuals. Whereas before he had story, after, he had visuals. "One from the Heart" was a stupid story with fantastic visuals. His S.E. Hinton films were the same. Haven't seen much since (I did see Dracula, which was all about How It Was Made and that's all) but I get the impression he does visuals and that's it.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 02, 2024 08:07 PM (CHHv1)

41 36 talking about killer clowns ...

The Pentagon Fails to Send Absentee Ballots to Active Military Service Members

Do they think they are 'Suckers' and 'Losers' ? They certainly treat them that way.
Posted by: SMOD at November 02, 2024 08:04 PM (GITLP)
Well of course they do, except for the transvestites, who may or may not be deployable.

Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 08:08 PM (LHPAg)

42 Lisa Frankenstein is on prime. Was thinking about watching it.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

Was thinking about catching it there, too. Wasn't willing to pay theater prices or commit to a purchase. But since I recently activated a free trial of Prime am building a list of things to watch real quick, and that's one of them.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:08 PM (ftFVW)

43 || For whatever reason I like even slasher horror to have some supernatural bent. Probably plays better in my head than pure evil people doing evil things.

Evil people doing evil things is banal. Give me something supernatural or cosmic or something.

|| Lisa Frankenstein is on prime. Was thinking about watching it.

I feel like it should be a hit with the girls who were teens ca. 1990. Though most of the fan club when we saw it were teens and early 20s.

There's a lot of nostalgia for that era from people who weren't there.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 08:09 PM (asXVI)

44 I do apologize if I've led anyone astray on certain movies. I like the odd and unusual.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 08:09 PM (kpS4V)

45 I thought Terrifier was pure slasher and torture porn. Is it better than that?

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 02, 2024 08:10 PM (Cp1vk)

46 || I think "Apocalypse Now" was a kind of dividing point for Coppola.

I edited for brevity (no really) and took out my whole theory that the very, very liberal Coppola does best when he's working with a very, very militant writer, like John Milius.

It's not that "Apocalypse Now" isn't a masterpiece, but very definitely that Coppola could not have done it without Milius.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 08:11 PM (asXVI)

47 Terrifier 2 was the better movie.

Though I liked some of the little side frills like AtC's 5 year time out. That was nicely done.

Hard to recommend T3 because of the heavy gore. Though it does well what it does.

I think they need to wrap it up in T4. Everything's in place now.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 08:13 PM (eDfFs)

48 || I do apologize if I've led anyone astray on certain movies. I like the odd and unusual.

Well, I know this about you, and I felt a little embarrassed that I hadn't gone to see "Megalopolis". It's probably Coppola's last film, and it's not something I should be taking people's word about.

That said, the Pitch Meeting really does nail it.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 08:13 PM (asXVI)

49 Yes milius was the craftsman of dualigue without which coppola could not prevailed

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:13 PM (pGTZo)

50 Megalopolis?

I'll just watch Metropolis again.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:16 PM (QqJcx)

51 24 That movie was made from a very deep and nasty place in Todd Phillips heart.

Dude should never be able to work again after what he did in that film.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 07:54 PM (XV/Pl)

Tarantino's theory is that Todd Phillips himself is The Joker by virtue of his sowing chaos by convincing WB to burn shitloads of cash for an unprofitable sequel whilst telling the fans of the original to go fuck themselves. Eh, it has some merit.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 02, 2024 08:16 PM (DTX3h)

52 Dialogue the milius documentary produced by her daughter made it clear

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:16 PM (pGTZo)

53 So the movie I watched was, uh, Maid Droid Origins. Very low budget omega male fanservice. But somehow not F. Maybe C minus.
Its reason to exist is pretty much to admit that people who engage the services of an andr-ette are creepy at best and mostly just lovers avoiding honest human contact.
The actors put a lot of effort into their roles, I will give them that.

Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 08:16 PM (IGdP8)

54 Losers. Not lovers. Well, maybe frustrated romantics.

Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 08:17 PM (IGdP8)

55 For Coppola, my favorite is Bram Stoker's Dracula. Hands down. I enjoyed the visuals and interesting retro-looking techniques. Was just shy of 10 yo when it came out and it was one of the earlier R rated movies I was allowed to see. It really spoke to my youthful love of vampires and Winona Ryder. And launched my enjoyment of Gary Oldman.

Seems like folks slag on it now, but I'll always love it.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:17 PM (ftFVW)

56 DON JOHNSON'S FINEST MOVIE!!!
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 07:59 PM (rii+a)

His finest movie ,though he had only a small part, was Brawl in Cell Block 99.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 08:18 PM (D6PGr)

57 But it subverts the premise if arthur is not the architect of chaos then again joaquin lived and heath didnt

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:18 PM (pGTZo)

58 Sorry to break the mood, but I am at the Greensboro NC Trump Rally, waiting for him to take the stage.
For the record last movie I saw was the Dune 2 in Feb or March. Just not a big movie guy.

Posted by: Picric at November 02, 2024 08:18 PM (165Iq)

59 45 I thought Terrifier was pure slasher and torture porn. Is it better than that?
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It's definitely slasher material, and very gore heavy. Is it torture porn? My definition of torture porn is when you're supposed to enjoy the suffering of the victims.

"Saw", for example, I don't regard as torture porn, because you're really on the side of the victims. You're relating to their difficult choices.

Same with "Terrifier". The kills are usually pretty quick, and the worst gore often comes after.

Terrifier 1: Not great, but with hints of what was to come.

Terrifier 2: Genuinely transcendent. Takes the concept to the limit.

Terrifier 3: More workaday, but still very gripping.

If you watch just one, make it #2. You don't really need the others.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 08:18 PM (asXVI)

60 Eris

Your 'Catholic' movie, did you ever see that masterpiece of French Catholic bashing movie called Bloody Mallory?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:19 PM (QqJcx)

61 Its also one of the most faithful to the genre except the grand guignol intro was a bit much

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:19 PM (pGTZo)

62 DON JOHNSON'S FINEST MOVIE!!!
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 07:59 PM (rii+a)

Heading to collection to dig out "A Boy and his Dog"...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 02, 2024 08:20 PM (/HDaX)

63 I also stumbled across a director's cut of Exorcist III: Legion on YouTube. Really good. Better than the released version. No stupid exorcism cobbled onto the story.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 02, 2024 08:20 PM (Cp1vk)

64 || Seems like folks slag on it now, but I'll always love it.

Some people are watching the performances of anyone other than Hopkins and especially Oldman, as if they matter.

That's another one that's an absolute feast for movie geeks, and possibly my second favorite "Dracula".

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 08:21 PM (asXVI)

65 Maid Droid Origins?

Cherry 2000 probably did it better.

Gynoids Uber Alles.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:21 PM (QqJcx)

66 || Heading to collection to dig out "A Boy and his Dog"...

That one needs a restoration.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 08:22 PM (asXVI)

67 Oh thats a weird one with the chick who was orson welles assistant in catch 22 pointy elbows

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:22 PM (pGTZo)

68 I liked the director's cut of Exorcist III as well. To me, however, it takes both versions to make a complete movie.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 02, 2024 08:22 PM (/HDaX)

69 Oldman really got into the character he had been oswald the year before

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:23 PM (pGTZo)

70 Anna, nope.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 08:23 PM (kpS4V)

71 *chucking at "Maid Droid Origins" thinking it's a weeb thing*
*looks it up*
"Oh, it's a sequel to Maid Droid...which I've SEEN?!?!"
:flushed emoji:

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at November 02, 2024 08:24 PM (asXVI)

72 Apocalypse Now has become a meme.

Posted by: Jamaica at November 02, 2024 08:25 PM (Udy3r)

73 Dominion was pretty good in setting up merrins back story

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:26 PM (pGTZo)

74 Eris

Here is the trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhM6H9zjrDw

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:27 PM (QqJcx)

75 Comic book movies, I saw the first Superman, first and second Batman, first and second Guardians of the Galaxy. Yep I think that's it.

Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 08:27 PM (LHPAg)

76 For what ever reason, the Jeeves and Wooster episodes are not available for streaming. So, I will get the DVD's from Queens public library for free.

Posted by: Jamaica at November 02, 2024 08:27 PM (Udy3r)

77 Hmmmm, not sure if I've seen the director's cut of Exorcist III. Will have to check it out because I already like III. Catholic/ exorcism horror is my happy place.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:28 PM (ftFVW)

78 He has confronted evil in the flesh in the netherlands nazis then descends into a whole nother level in colonial kenya

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:28 PM (pGTZo)

79 Speaking of Apocalypse Now, do the scenes in this 1965 US Army film look familiar?

https://tinyurl.com/jnc8rw2d

Posted by: Gref at November 02, 2024 08:29 PM (aBgBM)

80 Well, that ended on an unpleasant note. Glad I got it from the library.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 08:29 PM (kpS4V)

81
When it first came out, it was heretical to say that the original JOKER was an overhyped, badly structured, badly paced, self-indulgent boredom-fest. Well, go see it again, fanz. Get it now?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 02, 2024 08:29 PM (lCaJd)

82 Apocalypse Now has become a meme.
Posted by: Jamaica at November 02, 2024 08:25 PM (Udy3r)

Suggested title for movie about Kamala Harris' slide into well-deserved obscurity: Old Peckerlips Now.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 08:30 PM (+u0WJ)

83 Yeah then they made it worse

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:30 PM (pGTZo)

84 I don't remember this scene from the movie. Maybe I blacked out, though
Yeah, that scene where they're kickdancing down the steps, pretty much proves GaGa is a man, man.

Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 08:30 PM (LHPAg)

85 He should have kept quiet

Harrison Ford makes rare presidential endorsement: 'I've never wanted to talk about it'

https://mol.im/a/14033681

Hey, he has a fck-yu pile of money, doesn't have to make more movies, what does he care?

Posted by: Ciampino - Way to go into retirement at November 02, 2024 08:31 PM (i0xsb)

86 Yes you killed solo and indy and mailed in deckard

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:32 PM (pGTZo)

87 After the Bedpan of Destiny, Harrison Ford should have stayed quiet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:32 PM (QqJcx)

88 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?

I notice some of the biggest names only have one or two movies I thought were only above average. George Clooney is the worst for me in liking his movies.

Posted by: Test name at November 02, 2024 08:33 PM (ndoNK)

89 I just learned that there's a genre called "nunsploitation" 😆

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 08:33 PM (kpS4V)

90 Nunsploitation?

Naughty Zoot!

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:33 PM (QqJcx)

91 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?

Gary Cooper

Posted by: Gref at November 02, 2024 08:34 PM (aBgBM)

92 Gref

Jackie Chan

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:34 PM (QqJcx)

93 "Maybe i passed out "
Hilarious

Posted by: LASue at November 02, 2024 08:35 PM (lCppi)

94 21
Is it a Rosemary's Baby type plot?

(Note apostrophe S as a possessive and not a plural)

Posted by: Ciampino - thta barbed thinh at November 02, 2024 08:35 PM (i0xsb)

95 Jimmy stewart just ball parking

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:35 PM (pGTZo)

96 91 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?
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Neil Breen.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 08:36 PM (kpS4V)

97 92 Gref

Jackie Chan

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:34 PM (QqJcx)

I'll raise you. Cary Grant.

Posted by: Gref at November 02, 2024 08:36 PM (aBgBM)

98 Saw the first Terrifier, and that was more than enough for this kid -- think I reached my gore limit in the Romero zombie flicks and Stuart Gordon's Re-Animator.

Revisited some of Serling's Night Gallery, which holds up better than I imagined it could as long as I skipped the mostly-Jack Laird-'humorous' segments. Episodes like 'The Caterpillar' still have it. Nice stuff.

An early John Carpenter made for tv flick called 'Someone's Watching Me' has popped up on the Criterion channel and one of the Amazon prime live TV channels. Doesn't have the punch of 'Halloween' of course, but it's worth a watch.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 02, 2024 08:37 PM (q3u5l)

99 Cary Grant?

Don't you mean "raise periscope"?

"Give this to your boys when they are older."

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:37 PM (QqJcx)

100 Nunsploitation is a real thing.

Without looking, I'd bet Jesus Franco features prominently in it.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 08:38 PM (asXVI)

101 Keanu Reeves seems to have the most movies by a single actor that I really liked. Considering his acting is the butt of jokes it seems kind of ironic.

Though Bogart has 5 of my top ten movies.

Key Largo
Casablanca
Sahara
Caine Mutiny
African Queen

Posted by: Test name at November 02, 2024 08:38 PM (ndoNK)

102 Ciampino, the priest in a remote convent is taking the DNA from a holy relic to make another savior.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 08:39 PM (kpS4V)

103 Maltese falcon not on this list?

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:39 PM (pGTZo)

104 Witch Hunter Robin, yeah there is a pregnant nun as backstory in this anime.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:40 PM (QqJcx)

105 Saw the first Terrifier, and that was more than enough for this kid -- think I reached my gore limit in the Romero zombie flicks and Stuart Gordon's Re-Animator.||

Well, I used think it was kinda cheap, but like anything, if you watch enough of it, you begin to see the difference between just splashing blood around to try to lure people into the theater, and a scene, as in Terrifier 2, where a body is pounding to near death and the lungs are still going. (The director was under the bed working the bellows.)

I still tend to gravitate away from it, but Terrifier 2 is an exception.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 08:41 PM (asXVI)

106 99 Cary Grant?

Don't you mean "raise periscope"?

"Give this to your boys when they are older."

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:37 PM (QqJcx)

You're too funny, hahaha.

Posted by: Gref at November 02, 2024 08:41 PM (aBgBM)

107 William holden also

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:42 PM (pGTZo)

108 Whoever fixed my captions, thank you.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 08:42 PM (asXVI)

109 @38

>>I'm with EVS on that: I don't see that interpretation as plausible.

Well, when a director spends an entire film degrading his protagonist and in the end killing his protagonist, and relegating him to just a discarded nobody, that's the only interpretation one can draw from those scenes.

As I said, Todd Phillips should never work again, but sadly, if Rian Johnson is still employable, Phillips will probably find future work as well.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 08:43 PM (XV/Pl)

110 Touche

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:43 PM (pGTZo)

111 Maltese falcon not on this list?
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 02, 2024 08:39 PM (pGTZo)

I like it it's just not in my all time top ten.

Posted by: Test name at November 02, 2024 08:43 PM (ndoNK)

112 Keanu Reeves seems to have the most movies by a single actor that I really liked. Considering his acting is the butt of jokes it seems kind of ironic

Posted by: Test name

Keanu's strength is he knows his swim lane and does the job in those roles.

His Harker in Dracula was... not good. And he was too wooden as Don John in Much Ado About Nothing. I think he course corrected after those.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:43 PM (ftFVW)

113 I LOVE the Terrifier movies, after 2 I just couldn't think of a way they could go over the mashed potato scene. And they did, with a lot to spare. I can't recommend it enough with the caveat that you have to find an odd sense of humor in the extreme gore. Art the clown has definitely entered the panetheon of horror villains.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 08:43 PM (MGB5H)

114 Yeah, Bogart would be in the actor with lots of good ones list. (Let's not omit Treasure of the Sierra Madre, In a Lonely Place, and The Harder They Fall)

William Holden would be in there too.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 02, 2024 08:44 PM (q3u5l)

115 Of test sock

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 08:45 PM (ndoNK)

116 88 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?

Posted by: Test name at November 02, 2024 08:33 PM (ndoNK)

Steven Seagal

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 02, 2024 08:45 PM (DTX3h)

117 Currently watching "Apocalypse Z: The Beginning of the End."

Eh. Not great. Not horrible.

One more stupid thing from this guy, and I'm rooting for the zombies.
Right now, he wrecked his dirt bike cause he didn't want to run over a pile of dead.
Now he's trying to outrun them while carrying his cat in its carrier.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 02, 2024 08:45 PM (Cq/rd)

118 Seems like folks slag on it now, but I'll always love it.
Posted by: She Hobbit

#Metoo!

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at November 02, 2024 08:45 PM (4XwPj)

119 I like it it's just not in my all time top ten.
Posted by: Test name

Bogey was in another film called I think The Bigger They Are playing a sports writer turned marketing shill for a South American giant in the boxing biz. He comes to naught, but it's a good film.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 02, 2024 08:46 PM (Cp1vk)

120 The two actors who have a very large and very varied body of work that I think have the largest body of watchable films are Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington, who are essentially the same actor.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 08:46 PM (XV/Pl)

121 Don Johnson's best movie was Zachariah.

Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2024 08:46 PM (i0F8b)

122 Keanu's strength is he knows his swim lane and does the job in those roles.

His Harker in Dracula was... not good. And he was too wooden as Don John in Much Ado About Nothing. I think he course corrected after those.
Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:43 PM (ftFVW)

Point break, Bill and Ted trilogy, matrix,john wick quadrology and that Nancy Meyer movie are all peak Keanu. Dude knows how to do what he does well, and make fun of himself

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 08:47 PM (MGB5H)

123 Caine Mutiny is one of my favorites, yet the book is even better

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 08:47 PM (fwDg9)

124 Seagal --

If I wasn't hallucinating, I think I caught an interview on some late night show when I was channel-flipping. His first movie had just come out, and the host ran a couple of clips, and asked him, "So, do you think this is a good movie?" And Segal paused for a beat and answered, "Naah." Said to myself, I kinda like that guy.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 02, 2024 08:48 PM (q3u5l)

125 that's the only interpretation one can draw from those scenes.
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I mean, I don't. But I can't really argue it except "Well, why wouldn't he show it in greater detail?"

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 08:49 PM (asXVI)

126 His Harker in Dracula was... not good. And he was too wooden as Don John in Much Ado About Nothing. I think he course corrected after those.
Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:43 PM (ftFVW)

But in spite of his acting I liked those two movies but not on my list of his best.

Walk in the Clouds
Matrix
John Wick
Devil's Advocate
Constantine
Feeling Minnesota
Street Kings ( a particular favorite)
Sweet November
The Replacements
The River's Edge

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 08:49 PM (ndoNK)

127 When I think of his magnum opus I think of Apocalypse Now

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 02, 2024 08:51 PM (RIvkX)

128 Anna Kendrick's directorial debut about the the dating killer, woman of the hour, is well worth a spin as well. Funny thing is after she sold it at TIFF, she felt dirty about making money in it and donated all the money.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 08:51 PM (MGB5H)

129 Dating game killer*

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 08:52 PM (MGB5H)

130 102 Ciampino, the priest in a remote convent is taking the DNA from a holy relic to make another savior.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 08:39 PM (kpS4V)
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Thank you for that.

Posted by: Ciampino - that barbed thing at November 02, 2024 08:52 PM (i0xsb)

131 @126

>>I mean, I don't. But I can't really argue it except "Well, why wouldn't he show it in greater detail?"

Because implication is more visceral than literal.

I think if he had gone all Jodie Foste in The Accused route, the studio would have shit a kitten.

He probably wanted to though.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 08:52 PM (XV/Pl)

132 The polls will show dems ahead in all 57 states between now and Tuesday. It's what they do, they're all liars, cheaters, crooks and wifebeaters.

Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 08:53 PM (LHPAg)

133 But in spite of his acting I liked those two movies but not on my list of his best.

Walk in the Clouds
Matrix
John Wick
Devil's Advocate
Constantine
Feeling Minnesota
Street Kings ( a particular favorite)
Sweet November
The Replacements
The River's Edge

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Yes, agree in total. Now reminded I didn't watch Constantine in the lead up to Halloween. Will have to queue that up soon.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:54 PM (ftFVW)

134 || Because implication is more visceral than literal.

Right up to that point, he's taking a very literal, visceral beating. Suddenly, "no, that's too much".

Again, having trouble imagining these fat cops going, "Yeah, let's sodomize him! That'll be fun!"

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 08:54 PM (asXVI)

135 Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 02, 2024 08:46 PM (Cp1vk)

The Harder They Fall. It was his last movie. Very good.

John Wayne also made a very good last movie. The Shootist.

Those two deserved a good last movie.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 08:54 PM (ndoNK)

136 Alan Rickman.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at November 02, 2024 08:54 PM (4XwPj)

137 One of the cobs needs to delete the political posts.

Save it for tomorrow

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 08:54 PM (eDfFs)

138 And John Wayne

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at November 02, 2024 08:54 PM (4XwPj)

139 My Halloween recommendation for people who prefer action flicks to horror is "Dog Soldiers". It's basically a low-budget "Aliens", with a squad of British soldiers besieged in an isolated Scottish farmhouse by werewolves. Fast-paced action, some great lines, just a lot of fun. Streaming free on several services (including Pluto, I believe, whose ad breaks I find less intrusive than others.)

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 02, 2024 08:55 PM (5YmYl)

140 79 Speaking of Apocalypse Now, do the scenes in this 1965 US Army film look familiar?

https://tinyurl.com/jnc8rw2d
Posted by: Gref

Ok, that was pretty f'ing cool!! Only thing missing was the background music.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 08:55 PM (rii+a)

141 Point break, Bill and Ted trilogy, matrix,john wick quadrology and that Nancy Meyer movie are all peak Keanu. Dude knows how to do what he does well, and make fun of himself
Posted by: BruceWayne

Precisely. Everyone does better when they don't take themselves too seriously, actor or not.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 08:56 PM (ftFVW)

142 Yeah Alan Rickman

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 08:56 PM (QqJcx)

143 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 02, 2024 08:55 PM (5YmYl)

I think it's the best werewolf movie .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 08:57 PM (ndoNK)

144 132 The polls will show dems ahead in all 57 states between now and Tuesday. It's what they do, they're all liars, cheaters, crooks and wifebeaters.
Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 08:53 PM (LHPAg)

I'm paranoid enough now to ponder the early vote being a Democrat ploy to flush out enough Republican votes so they will know what plausible cheat level they will have to produce with fake ballots.

Posted by: Auspex at November 02, 2024 08:57 PM (j4U/Z)

145 @134

>>Again, having trouble imagining these fat cops going, "Yeah, let's sodomize him! That'll be fun!"

Cops do that in real life, Abner Louima anyone.

I think we've exhausted the amount of pixels we should waste talking about this film.

It's a badly conceived film that cannot be overcome by some genuinely good acting and cinematography.

To borrow a phrase, I hope Todd Phillips gets what he deserves from this film.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 08:58 PM (XV/Pl)

146 ***And the idea is, Arthur, who's not The Joker, has a cult following that is dedicated to The Joker. Lee's attraction to him is based on him being The Joker. The world is more-or-less at his feet, if only he'll be The Joker. So our little sad sack of an anti-hero-but-also-not-really-a-hero is given the choice of being even crazier or trying to just, y'know, be himself (which is crazy enough).
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His day job's at the DNC.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 02, 2024 08:59 PM (Quxeu)

147 Funny bit in the director's commentary for The Devil's Advocate...

"How about that, the devil wears lifts."(aprox quote)

Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2024 08:59 PM (i0F8b)

148 'Street Kings' was the movie that made me think, 'hey, Keanu Reeves isn't that bad'. Given the right material, he's pretty damn good actually.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 09:01 PM (rii+a)

149 An actor good in almost every movie he was in?

Robert Duvall.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:01 PM (i8Ekk)

150 I also loathed the original joker, it didn't need to exist, was a rehash of 2 much better films. I hate that it made a billion $, and I'm glad the sequel is an all time disaster.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:01 PM (MGB5H)

151 88 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?

Posted by: Test name at November 02, 2024 08:33 PM (ndoNK)
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Charles Laughton. Like him in everything I've seen him in.

A question: there is a stock line "the book was better". And it's usually true. What about the opposite?

I think this would be a good question for a future movie post. I'll give one, which I don't think will get much debate. The Lady Vanishes. Absolutely everything really good came from Hitchcock, or the cast. The book is different, and dull.

But my other suggestion would horrify many: The Thin Man. The book is good; but Nick and Nora on the page are nowhere near so much fun as Powell and Loy made them.

Note that both movies are notable for exceptional chemistry between the stars.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 02, 2024 09:01 PM (1bNHn)

152 Love these posts.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 09:01 PM (cSqub)

153 Mel Gibson has a pretty good resume also.

Get the Gringo and Blood Father are highly recommended. Not his best known but I think up there with his best.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:02 PM (ndoNK)

154 149 An actor good in almost every movie he was in?

Robert Duvall.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:01 PM (i8Ekk)
Affirmative.

Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 09:04 PM (LHPAg)

155 when the spoiler is in the movie's title
youtu.be/9E3ov7DkzqI

Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 09:04 PM (gKWVE)

156 154: Oh, fuck off.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 09:04 PM (rii+a)

157 godzilla minus one is back in the theaters.

they've added a thing before the movie that shows how they did some of the effects and a q&a after the movie with the director and the head of the effects team, both of which i quite liked.

plus, it let me check on something i noticed in the final scene of the last showing during its first run that made me thing "did i imagine that? was that there the whole time? who *is* noriko?"

a) no, i didn't imagine it
b) no, it wasn't there the whole time
c) i suspect they put it in just to elicit that response from viewers who noticed it.

Posted by: anachronda at November 02, 2024 09:04 PM (edU/H)

158 Saw an odd movie on Prime, titled-

"The Linguini incident"

It's a romcom starring David Bowie and Rosanna Arquette.

I think they were trying to make an updated (for the 80-90s) version of a 1930s screwball romance.

Pretty much a total failure. Everyone talks in faux clever talk. Miscasting abounds.

It peaked my curiosity so I watched it. But you don't need to. Avoid

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:04 PM (eDfFs)

159 154. Who cares, Trump will win Iowa, and likely the electoral college. Your vapid gal is cooked.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 02, 2024 09:05 PM (q6dqN)

160 The Great Santini to Space Cowboys to Deep Impact.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 09:05 PM (QqJcx)

161 Ach, Werner attempted to make a graceful exit, but he enjoys too much the Movie Thread. The analysis of Coppola seems spot-on - his vision and its execution in Megalopolis call to mind Apocalypse Now, where there was a similar fracture. (Actually, since Star Wars was mentioned, you could say that Lucas had a problem of the same nature in the prequels, which required more than three films to make the transformation of Anakin to Vader work in the best narrative sense.) Werner, being a Kraut, also liked the call-back to the Weimar period and German Expressionism -as you put it, what else could they say in 1927 Deutschland? Really, nothing, except we're in this fever dream of post-Versailles Mittel Europa, and we're about to make horrible decisions and do some monstrous, unforgivable deeds. If Werner may, one further post after this.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at November 02, 2024 09:05 PM (tmPIh)

162 "The Linguini incident"

Thought that is why they invented Viagra.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 09:06 PM (QqJcx)

163 Think I'd probably put Michael Caine on the list too.

One Hackman that doesn't get a lot of mention is 'I Never Sang for My Father.' For my money, forget Miller's Salesman -- the film of Robert Anderson's play, with Hackman and Melvyn Douglas both dynamite in there, is the great American tragedy.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 02, 2024 09:07 PM (q3u5l)

164 156 when the spoiler is in the movie's title
youtu.be/9E3ov7DkzqI

Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 09:04 PM (gKWVE)

Too Good!

Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2024 09:07 PM (i0F8b)

165 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?

Posted by: Test name at November 02, 2024 08:33 PM (ndoNK)

A sneaky guy I this argument is Vince Vaughan.
Swingers, the cell (not good but he is), Zoolander, old school, dodgeball, wedding crashes, into the wild, four christmases, couples retreat (both underrated comedies), hacksaw ridge, brawl in cell block 99, Arkansas, and yes a tv show but bad monkey

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:07 PM (MGB5H)

166 "Heading to collection to dig out "A Boy and his Dog"..."

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A classic.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 02, 2024 09:07 PM (5YmYl)

167 Masque of the Red Death has always hit me as the best/ie most serious of the Corman films. I won’t say it’s the one I like the most, because that would be “the Raven” which ends with a hilarious slapstick wizardry scene between Vincent Price, Boris Karloff, and Peter Lorre. (Price and Karloff are winking and nodding at each other, Lorre is obviously drunk off his ass)

Actually probably my favorite Roger Corman film is “The Big Birdcage” , where a young and very fit Pam Grier shows us that the first thing that happens in a fight in a women’s prison is that all the very fit young women prisoners tear their blouses off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 02, 2024 09:08 PM (S6gqv)

168 Posted by: anachronda at November 02, 2024 09:04 PM (edU/H)

Just announced this week the director is working on another one.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:09 PM (MGB5H)

169 I see the Terrifier clown in all sorts of memes and such so it must be a very popular series even though I have no interest in that sort of movie.

Joker 1 hinted at how Joker 2 should have gone - the media turning a literal madman into some anti-capitalist hero and destroying their city for it (why hello Saint Floyd!) but I guess they didn't have the guts.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 02, 2024 09:09 PM (oZhjI)

170 Thx moviegique
Actor with most movies I like modern version Gary Oldman, then Keanu Reeves then oddly Bruce Willis
A but durther back Clint Eastwood, gene Hackman, Sean Connery
Further back John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart, jimmy Stewart

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 02, 2024 09:09 PM (aRslG)

171 Actors can be really good but not good enough to save a movie.

I agree Duvall is good in every thing . Gary Oldman too.

State of Grace is a good Gary Oldman movie.

And I forgot about Don Johnson's movie Cold July. Highly recommended.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:09 PM (ndoNK)

172 I've mentioned "The Fall" here before as being something extraordinary but no one has ever heard of it before. I have recommended it to my friends and they all say that you can't find it anywhere to watch.

So if anyone has a solution to this and knows a source, please share it. It is really worth watching. I don't think I have seen anything like it before, maybe "The Wizard of Oz" in a twisted way but not at all.

Posted by: pawn at November 02, 2024 09:09 PM (QB+5g)

173 There a lame troll needs nuked at 176 in the Hobby Thread, too, if it has not already been done.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:10 PM (i8Ekk)

174 Thx moviegique
Actor with most movies I like modern version Gary Oldman, then Keanu Reeves then oddly Bruce Willis
A but durther back Clint Eastwood, gene Hackman, Sean Connery
Further back John Wayne, Humphrey Bogart, jimmy Stewart
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Good list.

Posted by: scampydog at November 02, 2024 09:10 PM (LVaYG)

175 A question: there is a stock line "the book was better". And it's usually true. What about the opposite?

I think this would be a good question for a future movie post.
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It was also a good question for a past post. I can't find it here at the HQ but it's on my blog:

https://moviegique.com/2020/08/the-book-wasnt-better/

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I'll give one, which I don't think will get much debate. The Lady Vanishes. Absolutely everything really good came from Hitchcock, or the cast. The book is different, and dull.
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Wow, I think TLV is one of the greatest thrillers I've ever read!

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But my other suggestion would horrify many: The Thin Man. The book is good; but Nick and Nora on the page are nowhere near so much fun as Powell and Loy made them.
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Would it horrify people? Don't most people know Nick & Nora from the movies?

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:10 PM (asXVI)

176 An actor good in almost every movie he was in?

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Gene Hackman

Clint Eastwood

Hard to qualify without some Math.
good movies/all movies starred ?

Posted by: Ciampino - ratio? at November 02, 2024 09:11 PM (i0xsb)

177 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?

He's an asshole but...Christian Bale. He and Caine together in The Prestige makes for an amazing film.

And on the other side of things I saw some Knives Out movie pop up in my list of movies to watch and I decided not to solely because Gay Bond is the star. He's one of those guys that will make me NOT watch a movie even if it otherwise sounds interesting

Posted by: 18-1 at November 02, 2024 09:11 PM (oZhjI)

178 A question: there is a stock line "the book was better". And it's usually true. What about the opposite?
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The Big Sleep novel is far superior to The Big Sleep (1946). Movie does not work at all because they could never put what's in the book in that movie. And it's not because of the subject matter, the character motivations in the movie are simply idiotic.

The 1978 film is more faithful to the novel.

Posted by: Big Sleeper at November 02, 2024 09:11 PM (xtKM4)

179 Joker Tres should have the real Joker, a real sociopath, rise up and kill Arthur, possibly to some German Techno.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 09:12 PM (cSqub)

180 Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:07 PM (MGB5H)

The Internship is another really good buddy movie with Owen Wilson like the Wedding Crashers . I even liked it better.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:13 PM (ndoNK)

181 Go bathe in acid, you sad fkwit.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 09:13 PM (rii+a)

182 It would help if I read the question correctly....

Posted by: Big Sleeper at November 02, 2024 09:13 PM (xtKM4)

183 Megalopolis is no Harley Davidson and The Marlboro Man.

IT WAS ROBBED OF AN OSCAR!!

DON JOHNSON'S FINEST MOVIE!!!

When that movie came out, it was mentioned on rec.motorcycles because, well, just the title I guess. One comment remains my favorite movie review of all time. In total: "Wait for it to come out on VHS and don't rent it."

Posted by: Oddbob at November 02, 2024 09:14 PM (/y8xj)

184 Oh another one, coilin Ferrell. Comedy dram doesn't matter he just disappears into any role he plays.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:14 PM (MGB5H)

185 The Internship is another really good buddy movie with Owen Wilson like the Wedding Crashers . I even liked it better.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Love, love, love The Internship. It's one I watch with some regularity.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:14 PM (ftFVW)

186 Spielberg made movies from books that were polar opposites, Jaws was a terrible book that he took the guts from and made one of the best movies of all time, and Jurassic Park where the book was far better than the movie, and the movie he made of it, is again, one of the greatest films of all time.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 09:15 PM (XV/Pl)

187 So if anyone has a solution to this and knows a source, please share it. It is really worth watching. I don't think I have seen anything like it before, maybe "The Wizard of Oz" in a twisted way but not at all.
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AFAIK, there is no legitimate source for watching "The Fall" other than in a theater.

But I would =imagine= the 4K Restoration was done in anticipation of releasing a Bluray or something.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:15 PM (asXVI)

188 The Corman Poe pic that did it for me was Pit and the Pendulum -- saw it in the theater when it first came out and went back the next weekend to see it again. God, that thing was fun. And it still holds up, at least for me.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 02, 2024 09:15 PM (q3u5l)

189 The Internship is another really good buddy movie with Owen Wilson like the Wedding Crashers . I even liked it better.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:13 PM (ndoNK)

It def is, just slipped my mind. Ymmv on how much you like any of those given movies. But he is great in every single one.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:15 PM (MGB5H)

190 Sam Rockwell automatically makes a movie good or better.

Galaxy Quest
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Moon.
Argylle.

And Cowboys & Aliens doesn't count, because he wasn't being Sam Rockwell-like in that. It wasted his talent.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 02, 2024 09:15 PM (5YmYl)

191 The Godfather was better than the book, have never been able to finish the book. I saw Coppola's copy of the novel, and the sheer number of notes and scribbles in that thing are staggering.

Posted by: Big Sleeper at November 02, 2024 09:16 PM (xtKM4)

192 I never did see Joker 1. No desire to see the second. I think Jack Nickolson and Heath Ledger were the best Jokers. I guess I like the Joker character who is just insane, evil, and smart. No reason. He just likes it. Back story's ruin it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 09:16 PM (rii+a)

193 Don Johnson's best movie was A Boy and His Dog. Probably his first movie. Plus Jason Robards!

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 02, 2024 09:16 PM (Cp1vk)

194 AFAIK, there is no legitimate source for watching "The Fall" other than in a theater.

But I would =imagine= the 4K Restoration was done in anticipation of releasing a Bluray or something.
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books)

Well nuts, just added it to my mental "to watch" list. Guess I'll be waiting a bit.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:17 PM (ftFVW)

195 Spielberg made movies from books that were polar opposites, Jaws was a terrible book that he took the guts from and made one of the best movies of all time, and Jurassic Park where the book was far better than the movie, and the movie he made of it, is again, one of the greatest films of all time.
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Yeah, I mention that. Spielberg, as a producer, also did things like "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" and "Forrest Gump", which are only very loosely based on the source. (And as bad as the movie is, the book is worse.)

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:17 PM (asXVI)

196 I had outgrown comic books by the time that the superhero movies began coming out, so I never went to them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:17 PM (i8Ekk)

197 183: I guess its one of those bad movies that I still like for some reason. Like Maximum Overdrive. yeah, bad, except for the AC/DC soundtrack.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 09:17 PM (rii+a)

198 Agree about Vince Vaughan

He's good in almost every movie he's been in and most of his movies are good.

The exception being the execrable remake of "Psycho".

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:18 PM (eDfFs)

199 Legally Blonde novel - amatuer hour. Great story but the movie tremendously improved how it was told.

Posted by: Big Sleeper at November 02, 2024 09:19 PM (xtKM4)

200 Spielberg made movies from books that were polar opposites, Jaws was a terrible book that he took the guts from and made one of the best movies of all time, and Jurassic Park where the book was far better than the movie, and the movie he made of it, is again, one of the greatest films of all time.

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*kubrick and the shining has entered the chat*

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:19 PM (MGB5H)

201 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 02, 2024 09:15 PM (5YmYl)

Seven Psychopaths is a trainwreck you just can't stop watching.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:19 PM (ndoNK)

202 Thank you moviegique!

For those of you that liked the 'Terrifier' series, you have to check out..

"The Inside" - 2007 - France...free on Tubi or Roku. Wow! Terrifier prepared me for this movie. A pretty good story with a woman scheduled to deliver her baby the next day and another woman with scissors. Non stop brutality. Great film 10 out of 10. Can't wait to watch again.

"Ichi the Killer" - 2001 Japan...free on Tubi or Roku. My first crime horror movie. It was based on a manga and was different than anything I've ever seen. Beautifully filmed. Bloodier than the other Japanese horror movies I've seen. 10 out of 10....which basically means I can't wait to watch it again.

Excision - 2012 - US .....free....3 out of 10 only because tneir were people I recognized in one way or another..otherwise 1 out of 10.. Ariel Winter was the only likable character. Traci Lords played Mom. Malcolm McDowell, Marlee Matlin and the name Ray Wise is familiar.

Nice idea. Horribly executed and the shocking surgical scene would be beat by scenes in MASH.

Posted by: Stateless at November 02, 2024 09:19 PM (jvJvP)

203 We've got some crossover happening... Four Christmases had both Vaughn and Duvall.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (ftFVW)

204 a trainwreck you just can't stop watching.

That would also describe Zack Snyder's "Sucker Punch".

Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (gKWVE)

205 Agree about Vince Vaughan

He's good in almost every movie he's been in and most of his movies are good.

The exception being the execrable remake of "Psycho".
Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:18 PM (eDfFs)

I give him a pass on that honestly, it was van zant that made that thing ass, he did the best he could in an impossible situation.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (MGB5H)

206 Posted by: BruceWayne

Have you seen Clay Pigeons?

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (cSqub)

207 Free to watch.

https://archive.org/details/a-boy-and-his-dog-1975

Posted by: 13times at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (LNl9z)

208 That would also describe Zack Snyder's "Sucker Punch".

He took a bunch of great, but silly, action scenes and stuck them in a horribly depressing movie.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 02, 2024 09:21 PM (oZhjI)

209 We've got some crossover happening... Four Christmases had both Vaughn and Duvall.
Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (ftFVW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3FdZ4uMkeE

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:22 PM (MGB5H)

210 204 a trainwreck you just can't stop watching.

That would also describe Zack Snyder's "Sucker Punch".
Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (gKWVE)

Hah . Agree.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:22 PM (ndoNK)

211 There's a Vincent Price Collection blue-ray set that has Pendulum, Red Death, Usher, as well as the first Phibes, Haunted Palace (Lovecraft) and Witchfinder General. It's worth the money.

Witchfinder General is one of the most grim and depressing movies ever made (watch it if you really want to despair), and Price eschews his usual mode and his absolutely terrifying.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 02, 2024 09:22 PM (CHHv1)

212 I likely would've seen the original Joker if it didn't have De Niro in it. I guess it worked out for the best.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 02, 2024 09:23 PM (DTX3h)

213
A question: there is a stock line "the book was better". And it's usually true. What about the opposite?

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Hitchcock's Rear Window was based on a short story. I dug it up and read it. Just awful.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 02, 2024 09:23 PM (lCaJd)

214 The Masque of the Red Death

A year or so ago I picked up a collection of Vincent Price Corman films, and yeah, this was a highlight.

I’ll second The Raven as well, a very fun movie, possibly the first D&D movie well before there was a D&D.

I just finished watching a movie I never intended to watch. But I a collection of Stephen King movies very cheap in order to watch Christopher Walken in The Dead Zone (which was good) and it included Pet Sematary. I read the book and it was too well written given the subject matter to ever want to read again, let alone see a movie version. I was right. The movie is almost as good as the book, and I never want to see it again.

And this is not a sideways insult to the other actors to say that the kid was the best actor in the movie. (Fred Gwynne was second.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 02, 2024 09:23 PM (EXyHK)

215 I likely would've seen the original Joker if it didn't have De Niro in it. I guess it worked out for the best./i]

He plays his real self and gets, well, what he deserves.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 02, 2024 09:23 PM (oZhjI)

216 A question: there is a stock line "the book was better". And it's usually true. What about the opposite?
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Total Recall (film) vs We can remember it for you wholesale (book by Philip K. Dick)

Posted by: Ciampino - Grest suthor at November 02, 2024 09:23 PM (i0xsb)

217 Have you seen Clay Pigeons?
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (cSqub)

Oh ya, Joaquin, Vince and Jeanine garafalo. Completely forgot about that!

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:24 PM (MGB5H)

218 @205

>>I give him a pass on that honestly, it was van zant that made that thing ass, he did the best he could in an impossible situation.

Once the studio found out it was going to be a shit for shot remake, they should have pulled the funding right then and there.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 09:24 PM (XV/Pl)

219 That would also describe Zack Snyder's "Sucker Punch".
Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (gKWVE)

Phenomenal movie if you watch on mute.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:25 PM (MGB5H)

220 Example of a movie being better than the book is The Talented Mr. Ripley. My favorite movie and thankfully I saw it before reading the book. The book is TERRIBLE.

Posted by: Scarlett O'Hara at November 02, 2024 09:25 PM (FFn+L)

221 @202 - have you seen "I Saw The Devil"? Now there's a film that, while excellent, I never want to see again. Great, but no thanks.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 02, 2024 09:25 PM (CHHv1)

222 Vaughn's laugh in that movie is terrific.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 09:25 PM (cSqub)

223 I don't do depressing movies but The Human Stain is damn good.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:26 PM (ndoNK)

224 Yeah, I mention that. Spielberg, as a producer, also did things like "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" and "Forrest Gump", which are only very loosely based on the source. (And as bad as the movie is, the book is worse.)
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:17 PM (asXVI)
I read a book back in the 70s about a guy who was a war hero, Supreme Court justice, monk, and Pope, somewhat in order. don't recall the title or author. I believe this was sometime before Gump.

Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 09:26 PM (LHPAg)

225 Once the studio found out it was going to be a shit for shot remake, they should have pulled the funding right then and there.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 09:24 PM (XV/Pl)

Yup, but this was peak Gus van zant auteur time, see also elephant.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:26 PM (MGB5H)

226 "Inside" is one of my favorite horror movies.

Just superlative. Every aspect of it.

Just make sure you're watching the French original and not the terrible American remake.

The movie concerns a woman psycho who wants to steal a mother's baby from her womb on Christmas Eve. Very intense. Not as gory as you might think.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:26 PM (eDfFs)

227 @220

>>Example of a movie being better than the book is The Talented Mr. Ripley. My favorite movie and thankfully I saw it before reading the book. The book is TERRIBLE.

The young talent in that film is staggering.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 09:27 PM (XV/Pl)

228 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?

Harrison Ford has a lot.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 09:27 PM (cSqub)

229 Dersu Uzala the film tracks the book pretty closely.

https://archive.org/details/dersu-uzala-1975

Posted by: 13times at November 02, 2024 09:27 PM (TSo4o)

230 Jack Nicholson was in the most great movies. Or he would say: "I dont make movies. I make classics."

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at November 02, 2024 09:28 PM (wBaIH)

231 168 Posted by: anachronda at November 02, 2024 09:04 PM (edU/H)

Just announced this week the director is working on another one.

yay!

Posted by: anachronda at November 02, 2024 09:28 PM (edU/H)

232 The movie concerns a woman psycho who wants to steal a mother's baby from her womb on Christmas Eve. Very intense. Not as gory as you might think.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:26 PM (eDfFs)

Wasn't there an instance of that crime actually having happened?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:28 PM (i8Ekk)

233 Harrison Ford has a lot.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 09:27 PM (cSqub)

He had RBF in every movie. I can't remember him ever smiling. Even his laugh is just a smirk.

That said I agree he has a lot of good movies,

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:29 PM (ndoNK)

234 Posted by: Stateless at November 02, 2024 09:19 PM (jvJvP)

Ichi the killer is GREAT, I'll have to check out the inside

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:29 PM (MGB5H)

235 I would say that the classics (books) are better than the movies based on them. But sometimes the movie does them justice. Like Zeffirelli's Rome and Juliet, or De Laurentiis' War and Peace.

Posted by: runner at November 02, 2024 09:30 PM (V13WU)

236 The Andromeda Strain -- Robert Wise's movie seemed to me better than the book (and if memory serves, screenwriter Nelson Gidding added a bit, not in the book, at the finish that mentioned using cloud seeding to wash the remaining airborne virus into the ocean where the ph level of sea water would kill it off).

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 02, 2024 09:30 PM (q3u5l)

237 I don't get horror flicks.
Prime has Julia Child's cooking show so I watched her first episode: beef stew. Weird looking at beef being browned in b&w video.

Posted by: Jamaica at November 02, 2024 09:30 PM (oERdd)

238 Holy Crap!!!!!!!!!!!

I just looked at the Wiki for "The Fall" (spoilers!) and it seems that it has just recently been released on Mubi, a international streaming service.

So I go to their web page and they are showing clips of it in the background of their homepage.

All Hail Eris, I think you would like this movie.

Posted by: pawn at November 02, 2024 09:30 PM (QB+5g)

239 The second Joker film made Wener feel as if he were ein Hund and the entire production was whacking him repeatedly over his muzzle while screaming "Bad audience! You didn't like the first movie in the manner which our Woke viewers did, so now you're going to be forced to endure Lady Gaga and musical numbers while we strip away everything that made the first film original and creative. Also, we're taking you to the Vet and having a little bit of snipping done!"

Nein, says Werner, not the Vet! That you would remove Werner's naughty bits over his reaction to a film is....ohhh, wait, Werner forgot that this was a simile.

On a brighter note, interesting reaction to Killer Klowns From Outer Space. Always have I felt that fear of clowns is more of a cultural affectation than a legitimate phobia. Werner finds clowns unfunny for the most part, and this, he thinks, breeds a contempt for them which some misidentify as fear. After all, there seems to be no wide-spread fear of mimes, even though they share many of the performative traits of the clown. Future review suggestion - Hickey and Boggs. An overlooked early 70s film directed by Robert (!) Culp.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at November 02, 2024 09:31 PM (tmPIh)

240 Evening.

Only Tarsem Singh movie I ever saw was The Cell. The reason it's the only one I ever saw is because none of his others came to my town. I feel I should correct this.

Ringu is okay. I prefer Gore Verbinski's The Ring. I feel that for what is basically a teen horror movie it's got way more depth than it should have. It's highly rewatchable. In fact I rewatched it on Thursday.

Posted by: Robert at November 02, 2024 09:31 PM (N9UsH)

241 Weird looking at beef being browned in b&w video.
Posted by: Jamaica

Ew, hard to imagine gray food looking appealing at all.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:31 PM (ftFVW)

242 Lousy book and lousy movie? The World According To Garp.

Posted by: Ciampino - I don't even remember the author at November 02, 2024 09:32 PM (i0xsb)

243 People recommended 'Audition' - 1999 - Japan. Free. Thank you. It was on several lists I have collected.

10 out of 10. Beautifully written and filmed. I really enjoyed the father - son relationship and the friendship between the 2 guys. It was a nice drama for 75 minutes, turned a bit weird in a dream like state and then thongs got real.

'Vile' - 2011 - US. 8 out of 10. There were a lot of plotholes and I'm not that sophisticated. People are brought into a house and are 'forced' to torture each other. Nice torture pron bit not horribly graphic. I'll watch it again because in the lens of Covid, you can see how scared people do inhumane things.

'The Green Inferno' - 2015...free...10 out of 10. Activists in the Amazon meet cannibals. Very beautifully filmed, nice story, hot lead actress, pretty brutal scenes. Nice movie.

'Hard Candy' - 2005 - US - a middle aged photographer meets a 14 year old girl he met online, played by Ellen Page. Most of the movie is just those two together. Very well acted. A bit unrealistic since her character is 14 and is very skilled. But I'll watch it again. 10 put of 10.

Posted by: Stateless at November 02, 2024 09:32 PM (jvJvP)

244 >Example of a movie being better than the book is The Talented Mr. Ripley. My favorite movie and thankfully I saw it before reading the book. The book is TERRIBLE.

The young talent in that film is staggering.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 02, 2024 09:27 PM (XV/Pl)

Great movie, they made a tv series out of it, ripley, staring Andrew Scott and Dakota fanning. Haven't seen it, but it was well received.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:32 PM (MGB5H)

245 What actor do you think has the most movies that you consider good or really good ?
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I can watch Clint Eastwood movies all day. For actresses, I'll go with Elisabeth Shue.

Posted by: scampydog at November 02, 2024 09:32 PM (LVaYG)

246 Carrot Top excelled in every movie he starred in.

Posted by: Chairman of the Board at November 02, 2024 09:32 PM (nS6qG)

247 Lousy book and lousy movie? The World According To Garp.
Posted by: Ciampino - I don't even remember the author at November 02, 2024 09:32 PM (i0xsb)

I read the book when it was being hyped on its first roll-out, and my reaction was, "meh, there's nothing there".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:33 PM (i8Ekk)

248 The movie ending was different but Captains Courageous was still a very good movie based on my favorite book.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:33 PM (ndoNK)

249 Hard Candy' - 2005 - US - a middle aged photographer meets a 14 year old girl he met online, played by Ellen Page. Most of the movie is just those two together. Very well acted. A bit unrealistic since her character is 14 and is very skilled. But I'll watch it again. 10 put of 10.
Posted by: Stateless at November 02, 2024 09:32 PM (jvJvP)

Among my hidden gem movies, also prly a true story as to why she's so fucked up.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:33 PM (MGB5H)

250 I thought the movie Contact was better than Sagan's book. He might have brought science to a lot of people but he wasn't a great fiction writer. The movie was fun.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 02, 2024 09:33 PM (aRslG)

251
Wasn't there an instance of that crime actually having happened?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

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Many.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 02, 2024 09:35 PM (lCaJd)

252 After all, there seems to be no wide-spread fear of mimes, even though they share many of the performative traits of the clown.

Posted by: Werner Herzog

But, Werner, that may change. After all, Art the clown of recent Terrifier fame is a silent clown. (Not the same as a mime, but similar in contemptability.)

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:35 PM (ftFVW)

253 Ichi the killer is GREAT, I'll have to check out the inside

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:29 PM (MGB5H

I was really impressed with the effects.

'The Inside' actually got bonus points for mentioning muslim riots in France and... you'll see.

Posted by: Stateless at November 02, 2024 09:36 PM (jvJvP)

254 But, Werner, that may change. After all, Art the clown of recent Terrifier fame is a silent clown. (Not the same as a mime, but similar in contemptability.)
Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:35 PM (ftFVW)

A silent clown? Mickey Mouse in a non-squeaking role?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:36 PM (i8Ekk)

255 the movie Contact was better than Sagan's book. He might have brought science to a lot of people but he wasn't a great fiction writer. The movie was fun.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 02, 2024 09:33 PM (aRslG

The book is definitely larded with leftist garbage.

Posted by: 13times at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (tGUk4)

256 204 a trainwreck you just can't stop watching.

That would also describe Zack Snyder's "Sucker Punch".
Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (
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Two train wrecks I could stop watching were Zack's "Rebel Moon" turdlets. Awful, derivative bantha poop.

Confession: I liked "Sucker Punch".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (kpS4V)

257 I think they were trying to make an updated (for the 80-90s) version of a 1930s screwball romance.
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This was attempted several times during that period, always disastrously. I think the biggest budget failure in that regard was Ivan Reitman's "Legal Eagles" with Robert Redford, Debra Winger, Daryl Hannah and of course, Brian Dennehy.

It made $49M domestically on a $40M budget, which was huge at the time.

For comparison, that puts it in the same ballpark as famous flops: The Golden Child (Eddie Murphy's first stinkburger) and Cobra (which knocked Stallone out of the saddle)

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (asXVI)

258 Hickey and Boggs is a delight. And the characters are about as far as you can get from the Kelly Robinson-Alexander Scott I Spy replay that you might have expected.

Actors with a solid career in television who never seemed to make as big a splash in movies as you'd think they might have? Robert Culp is one. David Janssen's another. Ditto Shatner.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (q3u5l)

259 242 Lousy book and lousy movie? The World According To Garp.
Posted by: Ciampino - I don't even remember the author at November 02, 2024 09:32 PM (i0xsb)
Movie promoting abortion was so depressing, would have been better if Garp had put some superglue on that gearshift knob.

Posted by: Eromero at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (LHPAg)

260 'Hard Candy' - 2005 - US - a middle aged photographer meets a 14 year old girl he met online, played by Ellen Page. Most of the movie is just those two together. Very well acted. A bit unrealistic since her character is 14 and is very skilled. But I'll watch it again. 10 put of 10.
Posted by: Stateless

Such a great flick. I don't think the girl's level of agency bothered me so much because 1. she had spent some time planning and b) there weren't a billion girl boss movies back then.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (ftFVW)

261 Oh, and hey Warner...

please don't go away. I enjoy your perspective on things.

Posted by: pawn at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (QB+5g)

262 Persistent trollfag is persistent. I wonder if Kameltoe's campaign pays him for turd droppings that get nuked?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:38 PM (i8Ekk)

263 Off to see Smile 2 in a bit. Not my first choice, but the friend I'm going with loves horror movies. Sigh.

Posted by: Scarlett O'Hara at November 02, 2024 09:38 PM (FFn+L)

264
I don't get horror flicks.

Posted by: Jamaica

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It's like a thrill ride for the mind. Best enjoyed with friends or in a packed theater.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 02, 2024 09:38 PM (lCaJd)

265 But, Werner, that may change. After all, Art the clown of recent Terrifier fame is a silent clown. (Not the same as a mime, but similar in contemptability.)
Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:35 PM (ftFVW)

Fun fact: David Howard Thornton, art the clown, trained as a mime.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:38 PM (MGB5H)

266 Recently watched Mud with Mathew McConaughey. Can't believe it took me this long. Great movie.

He has made a number of good movies.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:39 PM (ndoNK)

267 I wish daddy Joe Biden would spank me.

Posted by: Good game MAGA see you in 28 at November 02, 2024 09:36 PM (E4iii)

We know. Leave us alone please

Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 09:40 PM (gKWVE)

268 He has made a number of good movies.

I keep getting older. Matthew McConaughey stays the same age.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 02, 2024 09:40 PM (EXyHK)

269 Among my hidden gem movies, also prly a true story as to why she's so fucked up.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:33 PM (MGB5H)

It was really beautifully acted. Just the two of them most of the time. Fucked up enough for my current tastes.

Posted by: Stateless at November 02, 2024 09:41 PM (jvJvP)

270 a trainwreck you just can't stop watching.

That would also describe Zack Snyder's "Sucker Punch".
Posted by: gKWVE at November 02, 2024 09:20 PM (
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Two train wrecks I could stop watching were Zack's "Rebel Moon" turdlets. Awful, derivative bantha poop.

Confession: I liked "Sucker Punch".
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (kpS4V)

I hated Sucker Punch so goddamn much. A two and a half hour movie featuring cute girls with long, long legs and it bored me to tears. And because the entire story took place in a girl's head seconds before she was lobotomized nothing mattered.

Zack Snyder is just a terrible, terrible director.

Posted by: Robert at November 02, 2024 09:41 PM (N9UsH)

271 Steamboat Willy horror movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgeRY0nx89s

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:42 PM (MGB5H)

272 The top picture at this post with the Escher looking maze is actually a still shot from "The Fall".

The Bomber character is at the bottom center. He knows how to die like an Italian.

No special effects just mind blowing scenery.

Posted by: pawn at November 02, 2024 09:42 PM (QB+5g)

273 But, Werner, that may change. After all, Art the clown of recent Terrifier fame is a silent clown. (Not the same as a mime, but similar in contemptability.)
Posted by: She Hobbit

A good point - Art is especially horrifying. There does remain, however, the fact that most mimes are French, and there is an inherent impossibility to be terrified by the French. At least, not since Napoleon, and if we are being fair, he was culturally French, but ethnically Italian, so maybe that doesn't count,

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at November 02, 2024 09:42 PM (tmPIh)

274 Oh, and hey Warner...

please don't go away. I enjoy your perspective on things.
Posted by: pawn
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Same.

Posted by: scampydog at November 02, 2024 09:43 PM (LVaYG)

275 267 Recently watched Mud with Mathew McConaughey. Can't believe it took me this long. Great movie.
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Yep.

https://moviegique.com/2013/08/mud/

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:43 PM (asXVI)

276 Steamboat Willy horror movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgeRY0nx89s
Posted by: BruceWayne

First Pooh, now Steamboat Willy. I'm just waiting to see Donald Duck go rogue.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:44 PM (ftFVW)

277 I thought Shakes the Clown proved Mimes were a clown's enemies, and pussies.
Adam Sandler was a clown in that movie, which was much better than the book.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 09:44 PM (cSqub)

278 Recently watched Mud with Mathew McConaughey. Can't believe it took me this long. Great movie.

He has made a number of good movies.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:39 PM (ndoNK)

Those don't include the beach bum.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:44 PM (MGB5H)

279 Harrison Ford has a lot.
Posted by: Dr Spank

The video game Indiana Jones and the Great Circle releases in a month and the graphics look great.

https://is.gd/BM0EQr

It's gotten good reviews too.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at November 02, 2024 09:45 PM (L/fGl)

280 Alright alright alright.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:45 PM (MGB5H)

281 Jack Nicholson is great when he's not on autopilot. "Ironweed", for instance, was a great subtle performance.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 09:45 PM (kpS4V)

282 I liked early Good Eats but I am not paying for Cinemax or Discovery.

Posted by: Jamaica at November 02, 2024 09:46 PM (YVT+g)

283 Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:43 PM (asXVI)

May Pearl actress committed suicide.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 02, 2024 09:47 PM (ndoNK)

284 Zack Snyder is just a terrible, terrible director.
Posted by: Robert at November 02, 2024 09:41 PM (N9UsH)

While I won't argue with you on that, I will go to the mat for dawn of the dead, 300, and watchmen. He needs an editor and limited control and source material.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:47 PM (MGB5H)

285 Call me strange but I'll admit to liking the "Pulse" series of movies, both the Japanese and American offerings.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at November 02, 2024 09:47 PM (/HDaX)

286 I'll check out "The Fall". I like Lee Pace and Tarsem Singh's visuals are supposed to be excellent.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 09:47 PM (kpS4V)

287 Werner's posts seem like some strange mashup of Hunter S. Thompson and JRR Tolkien. Shouldn't work, but it does.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 02, 2024 09:47 PM (i8Ekk)

288 We watched Psycho last night Trivia I learned- Anthony Perkins married (!) one if the Berensons (the photographer, not the sister who was the model), Berensons grandmother was the designer Elsa Schiaperelli , and with Perkins Berenson had 2 sons, 1 played the geeky guy in Legally Blond.

Posted by: LASue at November 02, 2024 09:47 PM (lCppi)

289 Zack Snyder?

Really hard to fault his directing of:

300
Dawn of the Dead
Watchmen

All 3 excellent movies.

Everything else🤮

He should only be a hired gun.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:51 PM (eDfFs)

290 'Hard Candy' - 2005 - US - a middle aged photographer meets a 14 year old girl he met online, played by Ellen Page. Most of the movie is just those two together. Very well acted. A bit unrealistic since her character is 14 and is very skilled. But I'll watch it again. 10 put of 10.
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Is she really 14, tho'? I think there's an implication that she's lying about that.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:52 PM (asXVI)

291 While I won't argue with you on that, I will go to the mat for dawn of the dead, 300, and watchmen. He needs an editor and limited control and source material.
Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:47 PM (MGB5H)

Oh, 300 was freakin' FANTASTIC! Just take Frank Miller's pages and slap them on to the screen. It was great! Watchmen was, for me, massively underwhelming. Maybe cuz I had re-read the book prior to watching it but all I could do throughout the movie was cue which issue particular scenes came from.

Posted by: Robert at November 02, 2024 09:52 PM (3Ao/X)

292
Oh, Banhammer! Wherefore art thou?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:53 PM (eDfFs)

293 Fun fact: David Howard Thornton, art the clown, trained as a mime.
Posted by: BruceWayne

Werner cannot unravel whether this redeems or condemns Thornton. I would welcome a Killer Mime film where the villain mimes killing his victims and is punished at the end by being locked inside an invisible box. Also, the chase scene where the assassin/mime has to struggle against the wind would be awesome.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at November 02, 2024 09:53 PM (tmPIh)

294 Speaking of Harrison Ford, I am watching the Frisco Kid.
Gene Wilder was excellent. Ford, was, well... Ford.

But Harrison Ford leads me into my next film, Apocalypse Now. Which will lead me into Falling Down, via Fredric Forrest. Then Romancing the Stone via Michael Douglas.

And so forth...

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Balding American at November 02, 2024 09:54 PM (Ad8y9)

295 The movie concerns a woman psycho who wants to steal a mother's baby from her womb on Christmas Eve. Very intense. Not as gory as you might think.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:26 PM (eDfFs

I thought the french one was pretty gory and I've been seeking out these movies.

Perhaps a pregnant woman being hunted made it more 'terrifying.' Still great movie.

Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:37 PM (ftFVW

I still really haven't seen many movies yet so I can't comment on the girl boss thing. It was a great movie though. Can't wait to see it again.

Everyone have a great week.
Filled with early called, momentous victories.

Posted by: Stateless at November 02, 2024 09:54 PM (jvJvP)

296 286 I'll check out "The Fall". I like Lee Pace and Tarsem Singh's visuals are supposed to be excellent.
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Surprised you haven't seen it, Eris.

If you find a good source, let me know.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:54 PM (asXVI)

297 Is she really 14, tho'? I think there's an implication that she's lying about that.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:52 PM (asXVI)

Actually, that's a great point.

See, I'm not a sophisticated viewer....yet.

Posted by: Stateless at November 02, 2024 09:56 PM (jvJvP)

298 Just requested "The Fall" DVD from my library. Thanks for the recommendation.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Candy Bomber at November 02, 2024 09:57 PM (kpS4V)

299 On that happy note, guess I'll go watch a movie (no idea which one yet, though...)

Thanks for the thread, moviegique.

Have a good one, gang.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 02, 2024 09:57 PM (q3u5l)

300 May Pearl actress committed suicide.
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That's a bummer. My mind immediately goes to "I wonder who molested her?"

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:58 PM (asXVI)

301 Pawn, Scampy Dog, and AOP, thanks for the very kind words. I should like to hang around. The commenters at this site provide a welcoming and well-informed collection of unique people that Werner has not encountered anywhere else on the internet.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at November 02, 2024 09:58 PM (tmPIh)

302 she really 14, tho'? I think there's an implication that she's lying about that.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 09:52 PM (asXVI)

Ya as I remember it and it's been a bit, she was an adult that posed to trap him.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 02, 2024 09:58 PM (MGB5H)

303 The Fall is coming out in 4k soon.

The Christmas season this year is a conspiracy of evil against my wallet.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 09:58 PM (eDfFs)

304 Jack Nicholson was in the most great movies. Or he would say: "I dont make movies. I make classics."
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at November 02, 2024 09:28 PM (wBaIH)

He started out in Corman movies, so maybe not always.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 02, 2024 10:00 PM (D7oie)

305 || He started out in Corman movies, so maybe not always. ||

Little Shop of Horrors and The Raven are classics!

...and...SCENE

Thanks everyone. NOOD. See you next time.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at November 02, 2024 10:02 PM (asXVI)

306 I think we can all agree I'm the best animator here.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 02, 2024 10:03 PM (CHHv1)

307 First Pooh, now Steamboat Willy. I'm just waiting to see Donald Duck go rogue.
Posted by: She Hobbit at November 02, 2024 09:44 PM (ftFVW)

feh. I want to see a remake of Howard the Duck that isn't like the original one

Posted by: Kindltot at November 02, 2024 10:06 PM (D7oie)

308 For the record...

As of the advent of the Kathleen Kennedy methodology of destruction of any and everything that made movies worth driving to a theater, paying the inflated entrance fee to said theater and then being assaulted...YES ASSUALTED by her smug Liberal/commie construct of a script...

Yet Hollywood is O K with this? So as they then should be O K taking the mortal shot to the back of their collective ear. Or better yet...the lone walk out behind the edifies before dawn. Each and every one of the houses.

They allowed this...they deserve the outcome.

Posted by: Nightwatch at November 02, 2024 10:09 PM (TDvv2)

309 Also for the record,

My pervious comment was meant as an allegory from past points in history, not as an action I would personally take. presently.

For the record.

Posted by: Nightwatch at November 02, 2024 10:16 PM (TDvv2)

310 Didn't someone mention a different version of The Exorcist 3?

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 02, 2024 10:26 PM (cSqub)

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The Fall is streaming on Mubi now.

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