Daily Tech News 2 November 2024

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Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft are on track to spend a total of $200 billion on AI this year. (BNN Bloomberg)

There are worse things they could be doing with their money, I suppose. De-orbiting the Moon, or promoting polonium as a pizza topping. Reintroducing rinderpest and smallpox.

Okay, those aren't much worse, but they are worse.

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Intel's Lunar Lake, with its integrated memory, is a one-off. (Tom's Hardware)

Future laptop chips will return to having memory on the motherboard, or on modules that connect to the motherboard.

Not because soldering the memory directly to the CPU is an anti-consumer nightmare, but because it eats into Intel's margins.

Apple can get away with 1000% markups on memory, because its customer base likes shiny things.

Intel, since it sells its chips to other manufacturers who then sell computers to you, cannot.
Speaking of laptop memory, CAMM2 is on its way. For realsies. (Tom's Hardware)

CAMM2 modules lie flat on a laptop's motherboard rather than slotting into a socket, so the take up less room and can have more pins. And that lets them support a 128-bit bus with one module rather than the usual 64 bits.

And they also support faster LPDDR5X memory, which usually has to be soldered directly onto the motherboard itself.

Only problem is they are taking a long time to arrive. There's basically one desktop motherboard from MSI and one laptop from Lenovo using these modules right now.
Australia's Lord Howe Island shifts by 30 minutes when daylight saving time begins and ends. (SSO Ready)

Just to annoy everyone.
Indonesia has banned sales of Google Pixel phones after the company failed to meet a requirement of 40% local content. (Tech Crunch)

What about Apple, you ask?

They are at least playing fair. The iPhone 16 was banned there last week.
GPD's new Pocket 4 is an absurdly tiny and extremely powerful laptop. (Liliputing)

The existing model of the Pocket 3 has a dual core Intel CPU and 16GB of RAM.

The Pocket 4 replaces the CPU with a twelve core AMD Ryzen 370, and offers options of 32 or 64GB of RAM.

The 8.8" touchscreen is bumped from 1920x1200 at 60Hz to 2560x1600 at 144Hz.

It would be an amazing device for an engineer that needs to go on-site and plug things in, if those people still exist.

Disclaimer: Chimkin.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:00 AM

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1 Hi, Pixy!

Posted by: JQ at November 02, 2024 04:06 AM (njWTi)

2 G'Day everyone

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 04:06 AM (fwDg9)

3 30-minute time shift? Ugh! That *would* be annoying. Maybe even more so than the full hour!

Posted by: JQ at November 02, 2024 04:07 AM (njWTi)

4 Well I made it here. Hi everyone.

Posted by: Ciampino - Real Science is wonderful!! at November 02, 2024 04:10 AM (i0xsb)

5 Australia's Lord Howe Island shifts by 30 minutes when daylight saving time begins and ends. (SSO Ready)

Just to annoy everyone.
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So like Newfoundland.

Posted by: Ciampino - Newfoundland should now be Oldfoundland at November 02, 2024 04:14 AM (i0xsb)

6 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 02, 2024 04:14 AM (hoCmQ)

7 Had to look up "rinderpest."

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 02, 2024 04:15 AM (hoCmQ)

8 I am not supposed to be up for 2 more hours

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 04:16 AM (fwDg9)

9 I am not supposed to be up for 2 more hours
Posted by: Skip
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Sorry, Skip. That sucks!

Posted by: JQ at November 02, 2024 04:17 AM (njWTi)

10 CAMM2 modules lie flat on a laptop's motherboard rather than slotting into a socket

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Thus most likely to be soldered instead of 'socketed' meaning NO USER SERVICEABLE PARTS

Posted by: Ciampino - Newfoundland should now be Olddecrepitland at November 02, 2024 04:17 AM (i0xsb)

11 Same here, Skip. Going out for breakfast with buddy at 7 CT then heading over to lake to winterize the house.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 02, 2024 04:21 AM (hoCmQ)

12 DO NOT LOOK AT LASER WITH REMAINING EYE

a favorite sign seen in Physics labs.

Posted by: Ciampino - Always good for a laugh at November 02, 2024 04:22 AM (i0xsb)

13 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 02, 2024 04:23 AM (Wg6v7)

14

Are ye a poofter?

NO POOFTERS!

Posted by: Bruce at November 02, 2024 04:26 AM (ntQL5)

15 Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth and Anthrax, three of the most feared diseases of farm animals in Africa or anywhere really.

Posted by: Ciampino - yikes at November 02, 2024 04:27 AM (i0xsb)

16 14
FOOPTERS?

Posted by: Ciampino - dyslexic poofter at November 02, 2024 04:28 AM (i0xsb)

17
I tried to read the time zone article but it was too geeky. One of those things I should put on my List Of Things To Conquer Through A Concerted Two-Day Effort.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 02, 2024 04:30 AM (lCaJd)

18
And now, I really must to bed.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 02, 2024 04:31 AM (lCaJd)

19

Ciampino, I am QUITE sure you are not a poofter!

Posted by: Bruce at November 02, 2024 04:31 AM (ntQL5)

20 Wow it is Saturnday already.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 02, 2024 04:44 AM (gbOdA)

21 It's caturday here. But not in Australia, a fake place with fake animals.

Posted by: Like Narnia at November 02, 2024 04:54 AM (CzMNg)

22 What's local content in Indonesian?

Giant Jungle Leeches?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at November 02, 2024 05:06 AM (TGPs7)

23 Every phone now comes with a plate of nasi goreng.

Sales have doubled.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 02, 2024 05:12 AM (BLOW1)

24 Good morning!

>>There are worse things they could be doing with their money, I suppose.

Building human-like robots, neuralinks. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 05:12 AM (scDBq)

25
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 02, 2024 05:18 AM (tljrc)

26 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at November 02, 2024 05:18 AM (dg+HA)

27 >>Birdbath status?

Frozen, as it was yesterday morning.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 05:20 AM (scDBq)

28 >>>What's local content in Indonesian?

$20, same as in town.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 02, 2024 05:21 AM (i24o9)

29 Okay, those aren't much worse, but they are worse.

HA!!

Posted by: Bruce at November 02, 2024 05:22 AM (0lNjw)

30 Weekend already?

Posted by: caf at November 02, 2024 05:22 AM (/+mVZ)

31 What fresh hell is this?

Posted by: caf at November 02, 2024 05:23 AM (/+mVZ)

32 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 05:26 AM (a1415)

33 >>What fresh hell is this?

That's what this young gal wants to know -- she's awoken from the haze of feminism, and she's pissed:
https://tinyurl.com/2yubs2cb

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 05:26 AM (scDBq)

34

Mostly pissed my Friday away with drunk sleeping/mst3k/booking a Greece vakay... a fine first day off this go round....

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 02, 2024 05:28 AM (ntQL5)

35 *That's what this young gal wants to know -- she's awoken from the haze of feminism, and she's pissed:
https://tinyurl.com/2yubs2cb*

That's very good.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 02, 2024 05:32 AM (dg+HA)

36 Morning, Tech Peeps

Posted by: fluffy at November 02, 2024 05:37 AM (86W+h)

37 Politifax covering for gangs

David Pyrooz, a University of Colorado, Boulder professor and gang expert, said without minimizing the crimes Tren de Aragua members are accused of committing, the gang has become a "boogeyman."

Pyrooz said gang violence has existed in the U.S. for more than a century and that Tren de Aragua's crimes are "a drop in the bucket when it comes to the overall amount of gang violence and overall violence that occurs in this country."

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 02, 2024 05:52 AM (gbOdA)

38 "and that Tren de Aragua's crimes are "a drop in the bucket when it comes to the overall amount of gang violence and overall violence that occurs in this country."

Outstanding!

Now do individual rapists.

'a drop in the bucket', right?

Hardly worth trying to arrest, really.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 05:54 AM (a1415)

39 That's better

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 05:57 AM (fwDg9)

40 Going backto Lancaster today

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 05:58 AM (fwDg9)

41 >>David Pyrooz, a University of Colorado, Boulder professor and gang expert, said without minimizing the crimes Tren de Aragua members are accused of committing, the gang has become a "boogeyman."

Ah, a Sociology professor's wisdom here.

They have set up their US HQ in Colorado.
I suppose that once there are enough "crimes that they are accused of committing" no one will be more surprised than this tool, eh?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 05:59 AM (scDBq)

42 Should leave about 7:30

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 06:01 AM (fwDg9)

43 Now do individual rapists.

'a drop in the bucket', right?

Hardly worth trying to arrest, really.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 05:54 AM (a1415)

We cant arrest everyone that does not pay their traffic tickets.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 02, 2024 06:01 AM (gbOdA)

44 Good morning morons

Election day cannot come soon enough.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 02, 2024 06:01 AM (RIvkX)

45 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Rebuttal: Trumpkin

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 02, 2024 06:01 AM (U1w17)

46 Professor, do you hear yourself?

Posted by: What J.D. Vance would say at November 02, 2024 06:02 AM (a1415)

47 40 Going backto Lancaster today
Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 05:58 AM (fwDg9)

Deano did a great version of that song.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 02, 2024 06:02 AM (gbOdA)

48 Chickenhawk....

Remember when the Left loved to use that label?

Pepperidge Farms remembers

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:04 AM (a1415)

49 I walked almost 7 miles all over San Francisco yesterday and saw only 1 Kamala window sign.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 02, 2024 06:06 AM (RIvkX)

50 >>This is wild. https://tinyurl.com/329b52sp

The NH Congressional candidate on the left, Maggie Goodlander, is married to Jake Sullivan -- Biden's current National Security Advisor. She's worked in the Obama administration and for Merrick Garland at DoJ.
I know nothing about the candidate on the right, except that she's pissed and not buying Mrs. Sullivan's BS.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:08 AM (scDBq)

51 Freedom from fear-

A woman from India reflects on Romans 8:12-17
It is followed by a prayer and thought for the day.

https://tinyurl.com/49he77d9

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 02, 2024 06:09 AM (yqsui)

52 "I know nothing about the candidate on the right, except that she's pissed and not buying Mrs. Sullivan's BS."

Unless her name is Karen, I would vote for her.

And even if it is, I would go ahead and pull the lever.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:10 AM (a1415)

53 I walked almost 7 miles all over San Francisco yesterday and saw only 1 Kamala window sign.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 02, 2024 06:06 AM (RIvkX)

They put them all in my hood. I swear I am ground zero for retired leftist tards.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 02, 2024 06:10 AM (i24o9)

54 >>Chickenhawk.... Remember when the Left loved to use that label?

Neocons at the Lincoln Project laugh about taking over the Democrat party:

https://tinyurl.com/2keuhf72

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:11 AM (scDBq)

55
Amazon, Google, Facebook, and Microsoft are on track to spend a total of $200 billion on AI this year.

Remember, proles, to watch your energy consumption carefully. It's for the planet.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 02, 2024 06:12 AM (EsZUh)

56 Neocons at the Lincoln Project laugh about taking over the Democrat party:

https://tinyurl.com/2keuhf72
Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:11 AM (scDBq)
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We really hate these guys.

Posted by: National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes at November 02, 2024 06:12 AM (U1w17)

57 Remember, proles, to watch your energy consumption carefully. It's for the planet.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 02, 2024 06:12 AM (EsZUh)
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Speaking of that, has the huge bitcoin mining facility outside of Corsicana been completed?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 02, 2024 06:14 AM (U1w17)

58 I was quite taken with a comment from a dear poster from yesterday who said he was "entering the cone of silence" for the next few days . So now my husband was looking at a clip from "Get Smart" in which agent 86 and his chief are under the malfunctioning cone of silence. I didn't know that the show was written by Mel Brooks.& Buck Henry who was apparently a comedian. Such a clever take off of James Bond spy movies..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 02, 2024 06:15 AM (MgnXK)

59 "Speaking of that, has the huge bitcoin mining facility outside of Corsicana been completed"

Is that what that massive electrical substation was being built for?

I remember driving past there last year and thinking 'What the hell are they building that will take that much electrical power'

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:16 AM (a1415)

60 I know nothing about the candidate on the right, except that she's pissed and not buying Mrs. Sullivan's BS.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Republican nominee Lily Tang Williams, on the other hand, was born in China and lived there for 24 years. The rental property manager is a perennial candidate, having run unsuccessfully for office before in both New Hampshire and Colorado.

I heard her on the radio. Difficult to understand. Very heavy accent.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 02, 2024 06:16 AM (hoCmQ)

61 They will vote for her, they just don't want to remind themselves

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 06:16 AM (fwDg9)

62 Such a clever take off of James Bond spy movies..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 02, 2024 06:15 AM (MgnXK)
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I remember a late episode where Max insisted on using the cone of silence while the Chief was begging him not to.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 02, 2024 06:16 AM (U1w17)

63 "Speaking of that, has the huge bitcoin mining facility outside of Corsicana been completed"

Is that what that massive electrical substation was being built for?

I remember driving past there last year and thinking 'What the hell are they building that will take that much electrical power'
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:16 AM (a1415)
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That's what Gref told me last year, as we were driving to the ranch.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 02, 2024 06:18 AM (U1w17)

64 "I heard her on the radio. Difficult to understand. Very heavy accent."

It's that damn New England accent.

I struggle with it too.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:18 AM (a1415)

65 So the shrieking level from the media will be at a very high level for the next few days I haven't t done as well as I would have liked in being in the cone of silence but I'm going to try to do better.😊

Keep on praying!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 02, 2024 06:19 AM (MgnXK)

66 "That's what Gref told me last year, as we were driving to the ranch"

Thanks.

It would make sense.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:19 AM (a1415)

67 Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina

It was a clip from that episode that spouse was looking at.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 02, 2024 06:20 AM (MgnXK)

68 It's that damn New England accent.

I struggle with it too.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
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Add in Chinese accent and she's damn near incomprehensible.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 02, 2024 06:20 AM (hoCmQ)

69 Skip, probably but it seems people who know her best like her least.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 02, 2024 06:20 AM (RIvkX)

70 If there is one good thing that has come out of the rush to AI, it is the greater acceptance of Nuclear Power as a source of energy that is acceptable to the Left.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:20 AM (a1415)

71 Evening and morning to all the early risers and Saturday toilers! It's That Day, Saturday, the one we looked forward to as kids and still do. As kids, because we got to go to the movies or the hobby store; as grownups, because we can sleep later and don't have our usual commute. (One instance where being a kid was better. Or at least more exciting.)

Anyway! I slept about enough last night, and while I have errands coming up, I have time to sip coffee and smoke a pipe, and type with all of you. What's going on?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:22 AM (omVj0)

72 What's going on?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:22 AM (omVj0)
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Things.

Stuff.

Things about stuff.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 02, 2024 06:23 AM (U1w17)

73 Time for the morning walk.

BBIAB

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:23 AM (a1415)

74 >>I didn't know that the show was written by Mel Brooks.& Buck Henry who was apparently a comedian. Such a clever take off of James Bond spy movies..

Heh, I didn't know that either! Silly, fun, show.
My aunt lived next door to, and was friends with, Agent 99 Barbara Feldon when Feldon's career was just breaking. My aunt said she was incredibly nice.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:24 AM (scDBq)

75 Good morning, good people, from the frosty Adirondacks where the temps are in another week of temperature swings.
At any rate, may all efforts on this day result in maximum benefit to each of you and deserved grief to the leftwits among us.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at November 02, 2024 06:25 AM (hKoQL)

76 So yesterday family and I walked by the local canal just as the sun was coming up because spouse had a day off The light hit the beautiful scarlet maples and other trees. I think I will do that today and then go visit the Amish market where the people are so nice and the food is good!

Have a good day everyone. You are blessings to others!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 02, 2024 06:25 AM (H2P2+)

77
If there is one good thing that has come out of the rush to AI, it is the greater acceptance of Nuclear Power as a source of energy that is acceptable to the Left.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 02, 2024 06:20 AM (a1415)

It's for them, not you. Tech bros need that juice to create images of three-breasted space babes, but you can just sit in the dark and freeze.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 02, 2024 06:26 AM (EsZUh)

78
Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:24 AM (scDBq)

What a nice story. Thanks!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 02, 2024 06:26 AM (H2P2+)

79 >>Add in Chinese accent and she's damn near incomprehensible.

Yes, it helps to have the subtitles on the video clip.
She's an anti-Communist who fled China:

https://x.com/Lily4Liberty

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:26 AM (scDBq)

80 My aunt lived next door to, and was friends with, Agent 99 Barbara Feldon when Feldon's career was just breaking. My aunt said she was incredibly nice.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:24 AM (scDBq)
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It's pleasant to hear that a celebrity who you liked was a nice person.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 02, 2024 06:27 AM (U1w17)

81 That's what this young gal wants to know -- she's awoken from the haze of feminism, and she's pissed:
https://tinyurl.com/2yubs2cb
Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024

***
And the feministas will call *her* brainwashed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:28 AM (omVj0)

82 >>Republican nominee Lily Tang Williams, on the other hand, was born in China and lived there for 24 years. The rental property manager is a perennial candidate, having run unsuccessfully for office before in both New Hampshire and Colorado.

I heard her on the radio. Difficult to understand. Very heavy accent.

Thanks for more info on her, olddog!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:30 AM (scDBq)

83 FenelonSpoke

Tell FenelonSpouse that Barbra Feldon was the real star of that show. Hubba Hubba.

But very clever writing, and a big hit in our house, especially with my Dad's connection with the Intelligence community.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 06:31 AM (u82oZ)

84 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 06:32 AM (u82oZ)

85 I was quite taken with a comment from a dear poster from yesterday who said he was "entering the cone of silence" for the next few days . So now my husband was looking at a clip from "Get Smart" in which agent 86 and his chief are under the malfunctioning cone of silence. I didn't know that the show was written by Mel Brooks.& Buck Henry who was apparently a comedian. Such a clever take off of James Bond spy movies..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 02, 2024

***
A brilliant spy spoof, Fen, a product of its times. The opening sequence was derived from U.N.C.L.E., and at different times they spoofed Mission: Impossible, I Spy, and The Maltese Falcon. It worked because it set up its own loony little world where the villains were as scatterbrained as the heroes, and then played within that.

Henry was a comedian, but also a writer who was still working in H'wood into the '90s. He adapted the dark satire To Die For from the novel, and it became a hit for Nicole Kidman.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:33 AM (omVj0)

86 {{{Lizzy}}}

Barbra Feldon. Sigh. I got my like for classy, intelligent women from her as Agent 99.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 06:34 AM (u82oZ)

87 >>It's pleasant to hear that a celebrity who you liked was a nice person.

Right? My aunt said they watched her sexy ad together when it premiered and giggled because it was so not her:

https://tinyurl.com/mr4bnt4j

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:34 AM (scDBq)

88 My aunt lived next door to, and was friends with, Agent 99 Barbara Feldon when Feldon's career was just breaking. My aunt said she was incredibly nice.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024

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Barbara admitted that her sexy, sloe-eyed look came from the fact she was nearsighted without glasses, and shut her eyes partly to focus. The end effect was mesmerizing.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:34 AM (omVj0)

89 >>Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Heh, like "How do you like my garbage truck?"

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:37 AM (scDBq)

90 Barbara Feldon's 99 was smarter than Maxwell Smart, of course, but she was tough and loyal without being in the least masculine. And Max was not the sharpest knife in the drawer -- but he too was tough and brave when it counted.

I always wanted to see Don Adams play something straight, like a role as a cop or a (serious) hotel detective. He did play a comic hotel detective, another dimwitted sort I think, on the old Bill Dana Show. Interesting bit of trivia: Bill Dana's brother, Irving Szathmary, wrote the Get Smart theme.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:38 AM (omVj0)

91 88 Get Smart stuff. Don Adams served as a Marine in WW2. Wounded at Guadalcanal, contracted malaria followed by blackwater fever in the field hospital, and returned to the States where he served as a Drill Instructor at MCRD San Diego.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 02, 2024 06:39 AM (gm9Sb)

92
I once tried to grok the Zoneinfo database and format and syntax. My eyes glazed over.

Time zones, the politics of it, make for a mess, and whoever came up with that Zoneinfo tried to increase the complexity by several orders of magnitude.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 06:39 AM (w6EFb)

93 Byeee...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 02, 2024 06:40 AM (U1w17)

94 Only eight more students to grade this morning...At least until the rest of them get their act together and submit their projects...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 02, 2024 06:40 AM (BpYfr)

95
Zoneinfo is Linux/UNIX, Macs and related. Windows rolls its own. Windows is still a complex mess.

I've played around with the timezone functions in the Win32 API. My head hurts still thinking about it. It's not that bad if you just are going to stick around in one time zone. If you want something that can move around, and you want your program to be aware of that, it gets more complicated.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 06:42 AM (w6EFb)

96 >>Get Smart stuff. Don Adams served as a Marine in WW2. Wounded at Guadalcanal, contracted malaria followed by blackwater fever in the field hospital, and returned to the States where he served as a Drill Instructor at MCRD San Diego.

Drill Instructor, huh?

"Drop and give me 40 pushups!"

"Sir?"

"Would you believe I want 20?"

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:42 AM (scDBq)

97 Don Adams served as a Marine in WW2. Wounded at Guadalcanal, contracted malaria followed by blackwater fever in the field hospital, and returned to the States where he served as a Drill Instructor at MCRD San Diego.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 02, 2024

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I seem to recall reading the blackwater fever part in an interview with him at that time. He'd had some tough life experiences and, I'll bet, could have played a straight role without too much trouble. But once he was known for the Smart role it was hard for people to see him any other way.

He owned part of the show, I believe, so he did well financially.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:44 AM (omVj0)

98 Lizzy

That was one for the ages. There is a link with a Fox interview with the garbage truck driver, who really is the VP of the company. He still does not know who Cary Grant was.

No special preps on the garbage truck , which was new construction.
"Loadmaster is a leading manufacturer of high quality refuse equipment. Located in Norway Michigan, our equipment is made in the USA with pride!"

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 06:45 AM (u82oZ)

99 No special preps on the garbage truck , which was new construction.
"Loadmaster is a leading manufacturer of high quality refuse equipment. Located in Norway Michigan, our equipment is made in the USA with pride!"
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024

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Is it right that the Trump campaign *bought* the truck outright? I thought they made an arrangement to borrow a truck and put their logo on it. But it looked too new and clean to have been a working unit.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:47 AM (omVj0)

100 >>That was one for the ages. There is a link with a Fox interview with the garbage truck driver, who really is the VP of the company. He still does not know who Cary Grant was.

Will track that down - that moment was so much fun!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:47 AM (scDBq)

101 Any new computer cases Pixy-misa?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 02, 2024 06:49 AM (QqJcx)

102 I went to a wedding a few years ago up in the Boston burbs. My friend was marrying a Chinese gal. She's been here for 20+ years and is now an American citizen. While at the wedding I talked to other longtime former Chinese, now Bostonians. The accent combo was, uh, interesting.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at November 02, 2024 06:50 AM (sAmhv)

103 Lizzy

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ driver-trump-garbage-truck-shares-how- viral-moment-came-about-didnt- really-believe-first

Mind the gaps. From the Powerline blog.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 06:52 AM (u82oZ)

104 Thanks, Salty!!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 06:53 AM (scDBq)

105 Wolfus Aurelius

Borrowed. The Secret Service made him stop after he moved 2 feet.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 06:54 AM (u82oZ)

106 Arose at 4am, tomorrow it will be 3am. Screw you time change.
Missed a great weird dave ONT last night. The video with the vet techs impersonating dogs having their nails trimmed was hysterical. Started with the beagle, we have been ruled by beagles for some time and they nailed it.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 02, 2024 06:56 AM (2NHgQ)

107 Okay, they didn't buy the truck, it was just one the driver selected from the pack when he got the call. Great story anyway.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:56 AM (omVj0)

108 When I took Mrs. F. to NY the first time she was shocked by Chinese people with a straight-up Brooklyn accent.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 02, 2024 06:57 AM (RIvkX)

109 Lizzy

Norway, Mi is in the Michigan UP, so only 2 hour drive away from Green Bay.

Good staff work for the Trump campaign.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 06:58 AM (u82oZ)

110 I look forward to the time change back to normal. Not only will it be light earlier for my workout tomorrow at the track, it means darkness will come earlier, the way it should at this time of year, which feels right. And whatever cooling we'll have (not much around here) will happen earlier as well.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 06:59 AM (omVj0)

111 Morning, all.

" The video with the vet techs impersonating dogs having their nails trimmed was hysterical. Started with the beagle, we have been ruled by beagles for some time and they nailed it.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 02, 2024 06:56 AM (2NHgQ)

It was hilarious. I had to dock them a point or two though because the Boston Terrier did not fart.

Posted by: sal at November 02, 2024 06:59 AM (f+FmA)

112 Time change is this Sunday? Nuts. That means I get to work 13 hours instead of 12. Stupid time change.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at November 02, 2024 07:01 AM (sAmhv)

113 https://www.thenewneo.com/ordinarily mild mannered-hugh-hewitt quits the wapo on air

Neo stopped by again

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 07:02 AM (fwDg9)

114 I H8 time change, it does nothing for me

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 07:03 AM (fwDg9)

115
Since I wake up at 4:30 on Sundays to take care of the dogs, make Her Majesty's coffee and go to church, this time change is particularly welcome. The downside is that Diana, like her mother and grandmother before her, will demand her dinner an hour earlier.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 02, 2024 07:03 AM (EsZUh)

116 Powerline Week in Pictures: Garbage Time Edition:

https://is.gd/RxrEeS

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 02, 2024 07:03 AM (PiwSw)

117 108 When I took Mrs. F. to NY the first time she was shocked by Chinese people with a straight-up Brooklyn accent.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 02, 2024 06:57 AM (RIvkX)

One of our early pastors at our TLM was a brilliant man, an excellent preacher and teacher. He died recently, in his late 80s and kept his Brooklyn accent all his life.

Posted by: sal at November 02, 2024 07:03 AM (f+FmA)

118 https://www.powerlineblog.com/

archives/2024/11/

the-week-in-pictures-garbage-time.php

Mind the gaps.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 07:04 AM (u82oZ)

119 The downside is that Diana, like her mother and grandmother before her, will demand her dinner an hour earlier.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 02, 2024

***
Yeah, my two feline thugs will want breakfast earlier too. I'll leave 'em a little more dry food than usual tonight.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 07:05 AM (omVj0)

120 https://tinyurl.com/ych6kyvr
Powerlineblog.com week in the

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 07:06 AM (fwDg9)

121 101 Any new computer cases Pixy-misa?

I think I'm good for now! Maybe when the Dokibird case ships.

For now I'm turning my hand to building some desks for the computers.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 02, 2024 07:07 AM (BLOW1)

122 Salty beat me to it.
Fine then here is 20 Tweets from Bad Blue
https://tinyurl.com/2jthzr3z

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 07:08 AM (fwDg9)

123 Good morning. a reply about the bitcoin facility from upthread. It is still not finished.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 02, 2024 07:09 AM (t8vHj)

124
Both Her Majesty and I want to see time changes ended. But we disagree on which one we want to keep. I'm the morning guy and want Standard. She wants Daylight Savings (an unnatural abomination) so it stays light later.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 02, 2024 07:10 AM (EsZUh)

125 Okay; got to shave ans shower before I run out to the tire shop to have that failed TPMS sensor replaced. It's the battery that has failed after nine years, but they cannot replace just the battery, but must put in a new sensor -- $$. But TPMS has saved my bacon a couple of times; I want it working. And that little yellow light glaring from my instruments seems to be accusing me. "Fix me, Boss!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 02, 2024 07:11 AM (omVj0)

126 I had to write analysis software recently that needed to take hand written log data and match it to vehicle tracking data. The logs were handwritten and scanned/OCRed. The only means I had to match was by time. The vehicle systems recorded UTC as is usual.

The operators, in the f'ing box clearly marked f'ing UTC wrote local time. Over a thousand entries. I had to make a database of delta UTC to location on globe. Not enough. I had to then account for daylight savings time observance both for northern and southern hemispheres.

I f'ing hate daylight savings time now. So much.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 02, 2024 07:11 AM (Y6IkP)

127 I am hoping the time change does not affect us for my brother's memorial.
All our children are coming from Dallas (and MI) and three of them are going straight back- that's 7 or 8 hours of driving.
I need to be sharp enough to remember to use the Protestant end of the Lord's Prayer.

I do hate DST, but this is the better change.

Posted by: sal at November 02, 2024 07:11 AM (f+FmA)

128
DST is good because it gives all the plants an extra hour of sunlight every day.

(This was an actual answer given year ago in some newspaper's "man on the street" interviews asking if one liked or disliked DST).

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 07:12 AM (w6EFb)

129 I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper

Your link was more eloquent than mine. Well done.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 07:13 AM (u82oZ)

130 banana Dream,
may I just say that all you tech guys amaze me.

Posted by: sal at November 02, 2024 07:13 AM (f+FmA)

131 Have a great day, everyone.

Smile. We are winning reality.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 02, 2024 07:14 AM (u82oZ)

132 Kvetching about the time change is like complaining about the seasons. Puny humans have nothing to do with it and can't change squat.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 02, 2024 07:14 AM (t8vHj)

133
IIRC, the FAT filesystem (all variants, but I don't know about exFAT) store timestamps in local time, not UTC.

This makes for some strange effects during a standard time transition.

Other than that, pretty much everything runs the clock on UTC. Local time is only *displayed* based on the timezone offsets. That's the only way to fly.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 07:15 AM (w6EFb)

134 It would be an amazing device for an engineer that needs to go on-site and plug things in, if those people still exist.

---------------

It's now illegal aliens who play with you before plugging you.

And "American" juries acquit for murder ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump 2024: Make The Glass Ceiling Great Again! at November 02, 2024 07:16 AM (jfKqs)

135 Salty, thank you. Always a pleasure.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 02, 2024 07:17 AM (PiwSw)

136 Powerline week in pictures has some good ones
And 20 Tweets from Bad Blue the Marxists will go after Elon if they win with a vengeance

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 07:18 AM (fwDg9)

137 Isn't it weird how Kamala's celebrity supporters read their endorsement from a script?

https://tinyurl.com/yvhfj4ac

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 07:19 AM (scDBq)

138 I f'ing hate daylight savings time now. So much.

We need to have President Trump sign an EO that makes UTC the "time zone" of the land.

Unfortunately, it would need to be accepted world-wide to truly be useful. Often have to organize meetings from multiple TZs.

Also would be nice in states like FL, ID, IN, KY, OR, TN, TX not to be split up.

Posted by: Bitter, Deplorable Unknown Garbage Under Pressure at November 02, 2024 07:21 AM (rHxhM)

139 137 Isn't it weird how Kamala's celebrity supporters read their endorsement from a script?

https://tinyurl.com/yvhfj4ac
Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 07:19 AM (scDBq)

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 02, 2024 07:21 AM (PiwSw)

140 >>DST is good because it gives all the plants an extra hour of sunlight every day.

Heh - wow.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 02, 2024 07:22 AM (scDBq)

141 Just to annoy everyone.

No. Just to f*** with everyone.

The difference is in attitude. If you're forced to try and pretend you control nature, then let everyone else deal with your eccentricities.

I much prefer the second.

Posted by: GWB at November 02, 2024 07:24 AM (E8qwH)

142 I do hate DST, but this is the better change.

All states will be back to Standard Time, you prefer more morning daylight than in the evening?

Posted by: Bitter, Deplorable Unknown Garbage Under Pressure at November 02, 2024 07:24 AM (rHxhM)

143 A friend was a Boy Scout and they helped with a Pro-Am golf tournament in Palm Springs once. He was getting autographs and found out two things.

Don Adams was a really nice guy. Andy Williams was an asshole.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at November 02, 2024 07:25 AM (+H2BX)

144 There are worse things they could be doing with their money, I suppose. De-orbiting the Moon, or promoting polonium as a pizza topping. Reintroducing rinderpest and smallpox.

--------------

The Junta's satanic homosexual pedophile Monkeypox Czar could be weaponizing that virus and its pursuant jabs ... just in time for the election.

Wait, wut?

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump 2024: Make The Glass Ceiling Great Again! at November 02, 2024 07:27 AM (jfKqs)

145 Off to war again
See you from the road.
Forward Dog 9 out

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 07:27 AM (fwDg9)

146
US time zones in their glory:
https://www.time.gov/

Note the crazy boundaries. This is local politics really. Note that sliver of Oregon, Idaho, and Kansas.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 07:28 AM (w6EFb)

147 This makes for some strange effects during a standard time transition.

Also, UK changes from Daylight Saving to Standard time a week before the US and returns to DST three weeks after the US. So there is that hour difference in relative time zones a few weeks each year.

Posted by: Bitter, Deplorable Unknown Garbage Under Pressure at November 02, 2024 07:29 AM (rHxhM)

148
Sunday morning an hour before the change there will be two different 1 - 2 AM times.

For example, there will be a 1:30AM EDT, then a 1:30AM EST, for 25 hours total.

There is no easy way to record that if you're only using local time. You have to explicitly note the EDT or EST. Any timestamp without such a field or way to note that will mess up.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 07:32 AM (w6EFb)

149 publius, you missed IN. That one really caused me issues living in South Bend and working in Michigan City.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 02, 2024 07:32 AM (2NHgQ)

150
I looked up exFAT. It still stores timestamps in local time, but they added a field to note the UTC offset.

However, there are bugs in various implementations of the standard that don't handle that right. All other FATs, including FAT32 don't have any way to note that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 07:33 AM (w6EFb)

151 Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 02, 2024 07:21 AM (PiwSw)

Annnd- this is why we come here.
Well played, madame.

Posted by: sal at November 02, 2024 07:33 AM (f+FmA)

152 AZ stays on Standard time all year.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at November 02, 2024 07:34 AM (+H2BX)

153 See ya Skip

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 02, 2024 07:35 AM (RIvkX)

154 I use Market Watch to see a quick snapshot of the market indices. I also find it amusing to read their headlines, cannot read the stories since they are paywalled. This morning: Trump-Harris election may take weeks or months to decide. Really? In the US? If results take weeks or months we are no longer a viable nation. Click bait at it's finest.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 02, 2024 07:36 AM (2NHgQ)

155
They actually tried year-round DST during Nixon (response to the energy crisis) in the early '70s. Most people don't know about that.

A majority was in favor. Then came winter, around the solstice during the shortest days. In some of the extreme western edges of time zones (Michigan upper peninsula is the worst, Michigan should be on central time anyway), sunrise didn't happen until after 9AM.

That ended that. They're pushing to do it again, and I imagine the same thing will happen if they do pass it.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 07:36 AM (w6EFb)

156 Bye, all.
Will be praying while we're gone. I'll do a quick check-in Monday when we get home to see what I've missed.

Posted by: sal at November 02, 2024 07:38 AM (f+FmA)

157 Yeah, I forget about Indiana.

And it would be about as bad as Michigan during Winter on year-round DST.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 07:38 AM (w6EFb)

158 122 Salty beat me to it.
Fine then here is 20 Tweets from Bad Blue
https://tinyurl.com/2jthzr3z

Posted by: Skip at November 02, 2024 07:08 AM (fwDg9)

Thanks, Skip!

Posted by: m at November 02, 2024 07:38 AM (VnUSN)

159 In the US? If results take weeks or months we are no longer a viable nation.

I agree. If your state can't figure out the election results before midnight, that is automatic removal and isolation from civilization as a banana republic.

Help facilitate the Great Divorce that is so necessary.

Posted by: Bitter, Deplorable Unknown Garbage Under Pressure at November 02, 2024 07:38 AM (rHxhM)

160 Yonder Horde
------
My internal body clock works off its own schedule. It really only observes day or night. I just sort of make allowances for "time."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 02, 2024 07:39 AM (Q4IgG)

161 Michigan should be on central time anyway), sunrise didn't happen until after 9AM.

Pussies.

Posted by: Alaska at November 02, 2024 07:40 AM (rHxhM)

162 >> AZ stays on Standard time all year.

Except the Indian reservation areas, right? That's the weird hashed patter for Arizona on the NIST page, I think.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 07:40 AM (w6EFb)

163 My internal body clock works off its own schedule. It really only observes day or night. I just sort of make allowances for "time."

Dittos. I get out of bed when I wake up. If its 3:30 or 5:30 doesn't matter. I'm up, I ought to be doing things. When I get tired, if it is 9PM or midnight, the day is over.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 02, 2024 07:42 AM (rHxhM)

164 Moses taking a selfie at the Red Sea cracks me up

Posted by: Don Black at November 02, 2024 07:44 AM (/7KEl)

165 162 Yes. Rez maintains mountain time just because.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 02, 2024 07:45 AM (gm9Sb)

166 Downgraded to a 13900KF after the 14-series burned out after six months. Thanks Intel.

Posted by: Halfhand at November 02, 2024 07:45 AM (cLCb1)

167 I always wake up at 4am, +/- 10 mins

doesn't matter when I go to bed

Posted by: Don Black at November 02, 2024 07:47 AM (/7KEl)

168 Don, me as well. Wish I could change my evil sleep pattern.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 02, 2024 07:51 AM (2NHgQ)

169 @126/banana Dream: "I f'ing hate daylight savings time now. So much."

I used to work in IT and dealt with timezone updates and DST crossover moments twice a year. Lots of hardware and software does not handle this gracefully and needs manual intervention.

Don't even get me started about all the pain that's caused each time Congress decides to mess with the start and end dates for DST. There's so many embedded systems out there that have those thresholds encoded in their software (not in settings) and you have to adjust them manually on the date they thought they needed to change, as well as the date they actually need to now make the change, which means FOUR times per year (two in autumn, two in spring) that you need to visit these devices.

Imagine there being hundreds or even thousands of these in your facility.

And if they use Java based software at all, you need to use the TZUpdater utility from Oracle (formerly Sun) and that was fine and a free tool + updates, until Oracle decided to lock that utility behind a support contract. Burn Oracle, burn.

I hate DST with the heat of a thousand suns. This self-inflicted pain needs to stop once and for all.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 02, 2024 07:52 AM (O7YUW)

170 G'mornin' everyone!

it's called Standard Time for a reason, we need to stop this madness

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at November 02, 2024 07:53 AM (gY0JQ)

171 I hate the argument by the Left that our immigrant crime wave is just like our homegrown criminals committing crimes.

No it's not. These are all crimes of choice. We chose to import your rapist or murderer, so shut up deplorable!

Hell, I'm all for expiring our criminals if we could.
Maybe to Greenland.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 07:54 AM (eDfFs)

172 Expiring = exporting

Though I could go either way

Posted by: naturalfake at November 02, 2024 07:55 AM (eDfFs)

173 @170/sock_rat_eez: "it's called Standard Time for a reason, we need to stop this madness"

THIS! A thousand times this. With burning sun heat.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 02, 2024 07:56 AM (O7YUW)

174 Blast blast blast, I've summoned the italicans. Trying to fix.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 02, 2024 07:57 AM (O7YUW)

175 With all this talk of DST, I'm tempted to post the Sunday Morning Book Thread tomorrow at 2 a.m. local time just to mess with y'all...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 02, 2024 07:57 AM (BpYfr)

176 I marvel at how back in the 70s - 80s we were able to tabulate election results overnight, using only pencils and paper.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at November 02, 2024 07:58 AM (gY0JQ)

177 Real Time vs Pretend Time.

Posted by: davidt at November 02, 2024 07:59 AM (i0F8b)

178 close tags embedded in nic FTW!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at November 02, 2024 08:00 AM (gY0JQ)

179 @178/sock_rat_eez: Adding close tags to my nickname now. I know there's the "i" tag for italics, and "b" tag for bold. Are there any others?

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 02, 2024 08:01 AM (O7YUW)

180 Good morning fine people. Standard time is of the devil.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 02, 2024 08:02 AM (SfhV1)

181 Congress has had a bill dealing with standard/daylight savings time on their collective desk for two years. It's still there. If they ignore it again, which they probably will, it'll be another year of this stupidity.

And as simple a thing as it is, you can bet if it's taken up there will arguing over it for days.

Because if there is anything our government is remotely good at, it's arguing.

The, after all that noise, they'll punt it for another year.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 02, 2024 08:02 AM (Q4IgG)

182
There is no excuse - none at all - for election results not to be complete and announced Tuesday evening.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 02, 2024 08:03 AM (EsZUh)

183
And as simple a thing as it is, you can bet if it's taken up there will arguing over it for days.

Because if there is anything our government is remotely good at, it's arguing.

The, after all that noise, they'll punt it for another year.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 02, 2024 08:02 AM (Q4IgG)

Eventually, they'll get to work and do something stupid.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 02, 2024 08:04 AM (EsZUh)

184
Everybody hates the change, it's just which one should be year round is what everyone disagrees about. Me, I'm for standard. One's local time should be close to the sun.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 08:05 AM (w6EFb)

185 It's about changing your clock. And the significance of the passage of time. The passage of saving time. So you save daylight. Because when daylight passes, time passes and that's significant. The passage of significant daylight that saves time.

Posted by: Comma Lah at November 02, 2024 08:06 AM (dg+HA)

186 The new coffeemaker is here and it works great. Hamilton Beach makes a good product.

Posted by: Don Black at November 02, 2024 08:07 AM (/7KEl)

187 slash-s for strikethrough, slash-u for underline

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at November 02, 2024 08:08 AM (gY0JQ)

188 I do hate resetting all the clocks in the house that are not "smart" and do it themselves. There's a wall clock in my office, the den, the covered porch and kitchen that all need to be manually changed. Same goes for the microwave, stove and an old Bose CD player in the living room. Plus two clocks in the garage/shop, the cordless phone and my digital camera (which I almost always forget.)

I quit wearing watches upon retirement so the dozen of those just sit in a box... forgotten.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 02, 2024 08:16 AM (Q4IgG)

189 I vote for Standard Time or what I term Absolute Time - what it really is according to our original definition which was based on the Sun's position? However GMT was defined.

Posted by: Ciampino - dyslexic clock at November 02, 2024 08:16 AM (i0xsb)

190 >> what it really is according to our original definition which was based on the Sun's position? However GMT was defined.

In a nutshell, that's *mean* solar time, defined as the hour angle (+12, since we start the day at midnight) of the mean sun relative to the prime meridian.

That was Greenwich mean time. The mean is not the "true" (apparent) sun, but an average which smooths out the non-uniform motion of the sun along the ecliptic.

Currently, the closest thing to the old GMT is known as UT1. That would suit me rather than UTC, but that is long, complex story.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 08:22 AM (w6EFb)

191 30-minute time shift? Ugh! That *would* be annoying. Maybe even more so than the full hour!

Posted by: JQ

It's hard enough coordinating work calls between EST, CST, MST, and Canberra. Adelaide just throws a monkey wrench into everything by being 30 minutes off of normal.

"Can you do that at 8:30?"

"NO".

Posted by: BifBewalski at November 02, 2024 08:23 AM (MsrgL)

192 I asked my cat Jasmine what she thinks about the time change.

Her response? "Meow."

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 02, 2024 08:24 AM (BpYfr)

193 I asked my cat Jasmine what she thinks about the time change.

Her response? "Meow."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 02, 2024 08:24 AM

This is wisdom.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 02, 2024 08:24 AM (Wnv9h)

194 I have a clock on the mantel that will reset tonight, when it is zero hour UTC, or 1800 local time

Posted by: Don Black at November 02, 2024 08:27 AM (/7KEl)

195 Need the time?
Just call me.
202-762-1401

Posted by: US Naval Observatory Master Clock at November 02, 2024 08:31 AM (dg+HA)

196 Covfefe nood.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 02, 2024 08:32 AM (Wnv9h)

197 I'm watching clips of Trump's rally in Milwaukee last night. The audience goes nuts when RFK Jr takes the stage.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 02, 2024 08:32 AM (SfhV1)

198 The usual cat response to "what's the time?" is "Tuna Time!" (Meow Meow in Cat).

Posted by: Ciampino - It's CATURDAY at November 02, 2024 08:32 AM (i0xsb)

199 >> I have a clock on the mantel that will reset tonight, when it is zero hour UTC, or 1800 local time

A lot of the "atomic clocks" that use the Ft. Collins signal have a bug about this. There are two bits in the signal, one is "DST change pending" the other is "DST change complete". Or something close to that.

Many devices will switch over immediately when just the pending bit changes, and not do the proper 2AM local time thing.

My Casio watch has that bug.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 08:33 AM (w6EFb)

200 You guys are lucky.
If I was world dictator I would make time dependent on when noon was. Every latitude-longitude grid square would be its own time sone.
Hah.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 02, 2024 08:37 AM (gDlxJ)

201 Light later. Hate wandering around in the dark at 4:45 p-fuvking-m. That's unnatural. So is getting light in the face with 6 am insomnia,

Posted by: SFGoth at November 02, 2024 08:43 AM (0rHpt)

202 >> I would make time dependent on when noon was. Every latitude-longitude grid square would be its own time sone.

That's exactly the way it used to be in the Before Time. Before rapid travel and communication. Time was an entirely a local thing. One set one's clock to noon when the sun was directly overhead.

You couldn't travel or communicate fast enough for it to make any difference.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 02, 2024 08:47 AM (w6EFb)

203 Considering how frequently the "run Red" argument is employed (if your town/county/state voted Rong this time, just put on your trailer wheels and move to be with your own kind), I'm surprised that those unhappy with the relative position of the sun are not encouraged to just get out of town. The time must be right for you somewhere.

In Florida, they're in the Southern Zone, amirite?

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at November 02, 2024 08:53 AM (zdLoL)

204 Driving the neighbor hood yesterday saw lots of political yard signs. Most were for local candidates. But there is one reliable house lawn that always has the Democrat candidate shinning brightly at this one house. Several signs in fact, just so you wouldn't miss it. Harris Waltz surrounded by a few Trump signs, and unknown local candidates .

Posted by: Colin at November 02, 2024 09:30 AM (wlQdF)

205 vic would always rag on the time change, twice a year. hated it.

Posted by: guzano at November 02, 2024 10:02 AM (v1eJ7)

206 Why is artificial intelligence so stupid? It's the, "Emperor's New Clothes." Very fashionable, very expensive, and very phony.

Posted by: Wofus at November 02, 2024 10:03 AM (CNa+A)

207 I don't care about Standard or Daylight Time. Please just pick ONE and stay with it so we can get off this particular band wagon.

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... walked into a bar?

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