Daily Tech News 12 October 2024

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One of the two quartz mines in Spruce Pine, North Carolina, is in the process of reopening after the area was devastated by Hurricane Helene ten days ago. (Tom's Hardware)

Faster than I had expected.

Chip fabrication depends on ultra-pure silicon. To make the ingots of ultra-pure silicon, you need crucibles to melt the silicon in, that are of even higher purity. That's where these two quartz mines come in.

Chipmakers have a supply of pre-made silicon because they're not idiots, and the silicon makers likely have a supply of crucibles, but a closure lasting more than a couple of months could have started causing problems.

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Vietnam is planning to build six chip fabs, with the first one online by 2030. (Tom's Hardware)

Vietnam is nominally communist, but then so are the current governments of the US, the UK, Canada, France, and Australia.
Leaked benchmarks indicate that AMD's Ryzen 9800X3D is up to 13% faster than the current Ryzen 7800X3D. (WCCFTech)

Which is kind of meh, but it's a meh year for computer hardware.
If you're thinking you'll just buy a 7800X3D instead, well, good luck with that. (WCCFTech)

It's in short supply and prices on Newegg have jumped from around $399 to $699. Though that's because Newegg themselves are out of stock and the best marketplace offer - from China - is wildly expensive.

My local store actually has the 7800X3D on sale right now, so your mileage may vary.
TikTok executives knew about the site's effect on teenagers. (NPR)

It turned them into giggling idiots drawn ineluctably to every new trend, no matter how absurd it might be.

...

Yes.
Ecovacs robot vacuum cleaners have been hacked to shout slurs at their owners. (Vice)

This is the same company under fire in Australia for collecting audio and video recordings and keeping them even after the customers deleted the files.
We're not mad at you, Goldmusk, just disappointed. (The Verge)

The Verge having another totally normal day.
We are mad at you, Goldmusk. (Ars Technica)

Ars Technica is having a just spectacularly normal day.
Got a shipping notice and a UPS tracking number for my Calliope Mori Limited Edition Hyte Y40 PC case.

Soon. Soon I will have them all!
But it might take a while to build systems in all the cases I now have.

Apropos of Nothing Video of the Day

Apropos of Moo Deng Video of the Day

Disclaimer: Thank you for being a fiend. D-oops. Well, it was just a short test, and someone reposted it. D-9.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:00 AM

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1 Hi

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la droga at October 12, 2024 04:01 AM (qfLjt)

2 Mornin'

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 12, 2024 04:04 AM (BLOW1)

3 Ecovacs robot vacuum cleaners have been hacked to shout slurs at their owners.

Who knew EcoVacs were turned Democrat...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:08 AM (ynpvh)

4 Just completed a very, very late dinner: blocks of soft cheese (griever and something else), prosciutto, fresh tomato and crackers -- with coffee. Had gone to sleep around 7 so missed an earlier dinner bell, so to speak.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la cena era molto tardi at October 12, 2024 04:08 AM (qfLjt)

5 Just wondered: How many films have starred two future governors?

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 12, 2024 04:11 AM (BLOW1)

6 TikTok executives knew about the site's effect on teenagers. (NPR)

It turned them into giggling idiots drawn ineluctably to every new trend, no matter how absurd it might be.

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IOW, Kommie-la voters.

Election Interference!

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 12, 2024 04:11 AM (TDdfP)

7 D-9.

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"Back To The Future" Day, October 21st?

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 12, 2024 04:12 AM (TDdfP)

8 5 Just wondered: How many films have starred two future governors?

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 12, 2024 04:11 AM (BLOW1)

Running Man

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:13 AM (ynpvh)

9 6 TikTok executives knew about the site's effect on teenagers. (NPR)

It turned them into giggling idiots drawn ineluctably to every new trend, no matter how absurd it might be.

--------------

IOW, Kommie-la voters.

Election Interference!

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 12, 2024 04:11 AM (TDdfP)

::: Imagining referee at football game saying that :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:14 AM (ynpvh)

10 8 5 Just wondered: How many films have starred two future governors?

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 12, 2024 04:11 AM (BLOW1)

Running Man

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:13 AM (ynpvh)

At least two I can think of:
Predator
Running Man

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:15 AM (ynpvh)

11 Possibly dumb question: Why is Vietnam competitive with China in manufacturing? I know Vietnam took over the sneakers market years ago, it has a growing share of the garment market, and now it's trying to get into the chip market. Once I saw speculation that Vietnam has a higher percentage of young women and therefore is better at making things like sneakers, but I don't know how true that is.

Posted by: pookysgirls, trying to analyze global trends at October 12, 2024 04:20 AM (dtlDP)

12 Predator actress is Elpidia Carrillo. Unusual first name; have at least one person it the extended family tree from Mexico who was named that.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:21 AM (ynpvh)

13 11 Possibly dumb question: Why is Vietnam competitive with China in manufacturing? I know Vietnam took over the sneakers market years ago, it has a growing share of the garment market, and now it's trying to get into the chip market. Once I saw speculation that Vietnam has a higher percentage of young women and therefore is better at making things like sneakers, but I don't know how true that is.

Posted by: pookysgirls, trying to analyze global trends at October 12, 2024 04:20 AM (dtlDP)

US-China issues. Companies starting building factories in Vietnam instead, at least according to some articles i read.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:22 AM (ynpvh)

14 Time for me to sleep, although I don't completely feel like it. I'll crash at some point in the next hour or three...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:23 AM (ynpvh)

15 Accent Switch Kamala 🇺🇸
https://youtu.be/M5EM8mS3paY

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, a Kamala Barbie at October 12, 2024 04:26 AM (qfLjt)

16 I love Dark Journalist. Always dropping bombs. Who knew Von Braun was such a prophet?

Dark Journalist
@darkjournalist
"The Martian government was directed by ten men, the leader of whom was elected by universal suffrage for five years and entitled "Elon." Two houses of Parliament enacted the laws to be administered by the Elon and his cabinet."
Wernher von Braun - Project Mars

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 12, 2024 04:34 AM (TGPs7)

17 I love Uzbekistan
Swinging Islamic country...

Factscheck
@factscheck007
Uzbekistan has banned Muslim-style beards. Those who grow beards will pay a $400 fine. If the police see them, they will cut them off by force. It is estimated that the burqa will soon be banned.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 12, 2024 04:38 AM (TGPs7)

18 G'Day everyone

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 04:42 AM (fwDg9)

19 Apparently one way to make a decent living on the Internet these days is to crush chalk and film it...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 12, 2024 04:42 AM (TGPs7)

20 Moo Deng kinda seems like an asshole.

Posted by: Anti Baby Hippo League at October 12, 2024 04:46 AM (XLQLg)

21 Evening and morning, insomaniacals and those toiling in the vineyards of wherever! I'm up way earlier than I planned for a Friday night-Saturday morning. Dunno why. (Well, Stirling the big black cat might have had something to do with it.)

Oh, for the record, I tried a tiny bit of salt in my coffee to kill some of the bitterness, as Ace and others suggested during the GAINZZ thread yesterday afternoon. It did not go well. Wincing, I tossed that cup and poured a fresh one with sweetener and milk. I love my salt . . . but it does not belong in coffee.

So? Whass happenin'?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 04:49 AM (omVj0)

22 "Is America's Alcoholic Former Side-Piece Collapsing?" I love Ace's thread titles. I'ma go back and read the story he linked to.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 04:52 AM (omVj0)

23 I nedz covfefe

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 04:56 AM (fwDg9)

24 YOu know, I've never seen Predator or Running Man (though I love the King novel it's based on). Who is the other future governor in those?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:01 AM (omVj0)

25 Assuming you got Arnold, the other one is Jesse Ventura.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 12, 2024 05:10 AM (BLOW1)

26 Assuming you got Arnold, the other one is Jesse Ventura.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 12, 2024

***
Oh, sure, I knew Arnold. Ventura did some acting? Huh.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:16 AM (omVj0)

27 Coffee is up, blueberry pancakes soon

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 05:17 AM (fwDg9)

28 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at October 12, 2024 05:17 AM (dg+HA)

29 What do we have now until the election, twenty-five days? Got to get through it somehow.

Monday at work we have a staff lunch out at a local seafood place; that'll be scaly. Actually I've worked with much much worse people. It's only that I don't know my colleagues that well. I'm sure I'm the only Trumpist among them, and we shouldn't talk politics anyway, so I'm not sure what we'll chat about.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:19 AM (omVj0)

30 An alcoholic former side piece is no way to go through life, young lady.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at October 12, 2024 05:20 AM (dg+HA)

31 Coffee, a pipe with some Virginia tobacco, a slice of whole-grain toast with peanut butter. Breakfast of champions. Though an egg and a beef-and-cheese burrito awaits.

This morning I need to wash the car and try to polish its roof; gas up, check the tires including the spare; shave; and hit the grocery store so I won't have to deal with that tomorrow. Maybe we'll go out for a quick dinner this evening.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:22 AM (omVj0)

32 The late Fifties-early Sixties WB oater Colt .45 is on Heroes & Icons. It's not a series I knew well as a kid, just used to see it listed in the TV Guide. Somehow it just reminds me of the fictional Western series DiCaprio's character Rick starred in, in Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood.

The current episode involves a riverboat, and it looks well directed and features many of the solid character actors we came to know ("Hey, it's *that* guy!") on TV then.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:26 AM (omVj0)

33 so I'm not sure what we'll chat about.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:19 AM (omVj0)

Who's bonking who in the executive suites.

That'll kill a good hour.

Posted by: RickZ at October 12, 2024 05:26 AM (gKDq2)

34 An alcoholic former side piece is no way to go through life, young lady.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at October 12, 2024

***
I think Ace's thread, and the stories he linked to, are more about *her support* collapsing, not so much that KH is literally going to collapse into a shivering mess on camera. Though that would be entertaining. I've read hints that if she loses, she'll leave the U.S. -- which would be horrible for whatever country she goes to, but good for us. Maybe she will never again attempt an elected office.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:28 AM (omVj0)

35 Hookem Horns

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 12, 2024 05:29 AM (gbOdA)

36 Who's bonking who in the executive suites.

That'll kill a good hour.
Posted by: RickZ at October 12, 2024

***
Our administration is proclaiming "Employee Appreciation Week" this next week. This from the people who threatened us with job loss if we didn't take an experimental (and useless if not dangerous) shot, and forced us to wear face diapers for eighteen months. Yeah, appreciation.

I was the only one in my office who refused the clot shot (got an exemption, thank God) and fought the face diaper rule as well. I also happen to be the only one without a Ph.D. Coincidence? You make the call!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:32 AM (omVj0)

37
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 12, 2024 05:32 AM (tljrc)

38 Oops, time to feed the livestock. Both Dagny and Stirling are pacing around and chasing each other, which means they are hungry. Back in a bit.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:34 AM (omVj0)

39 Road trip begins today. Because of reasons I've had to be in the office EVERY DAY since the first week of July. Now those reasons are past so screw it, I'm taking two weeks off.
Wish I could make the MoMe, but an opportunity to be with far away siblings has arisen so I'll do that instead. Next year, Ben Had.
Now I get to take my new (to me) Sport Unitarian Vehicle and put it through it's paces. It's loaded up with camping gear and food.
I've got two rendezvous points over the next week, but other than that, wide open. Campgrounds, State Parks. boondocking, hotels, whatever.
It's just time to GO SOMEWHERE. I plan to eventually be a nomad so it's time to get in some practice.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 12, 2024 05:35 AM (dg+HA)

40 The snippet of video where Kammie-Ha-Ha, they said, tried to do a Hispanic accent -- I don't get any of that at all. She sounds just as brainless as usual, but I hear no indication of Hispanic dialect. If she was trying for even a hint of it, she failed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 05:47 AM (omVj0)

41 G'morning, all!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 05:49 AM (a1415)

42 The combination of two 4.5 month old kittens, a catnip filled mouse toy and a huge tiled kitchen floor make for an interesting way to kill the 5:00 to 6:00am hour.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 05:50 AM (a1415)

43 Scoop - Tim Walz to kick off man-focused media blitz.

- GMA intv with Michael Strahan on football field
- MI events on Friday, geared toward Black men
- Friday night lights @ Mankato West
- Pheasant hunting with social media influencers

GMA is for manly men tough type men who do manly men things.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 12, 2024 05:51 AM (gbOdA)

44 Seeing as we are now down to 45 degrees outside, and life as we know it has come to a halt, I will have to postpone the morning walk until a little bit of Glow-ball Worming kisses the morning air temps.

Too dark to risk hitting patch ice and frozen tree limbs.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 05:53 AM (a1415)

45 Quarter Twenty safe travels, hope weather is fantastic for you

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 05:53 AM (fwDg9)

46 And I am back to sleeping 4 hours.

Well, let's check the tech thread then.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 12, 2024 05:54 AM (y31cs)

47 1/4-20...

Be safe, enjoy the time off and travels.

Our goal is to hit the TxMoMe next year if possible as well.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 05:55 AM (a1415)

48 Words of wisdom to the Horde, do not give any thought to running for your HOA's Board of Directors. What a thankless job where you need to deal with mentally unbalanced individuals. Everyone has a gripe and in some instances it's the same person who gripes on average every 24 hours. Some people need to get a life. SO HAPPY I only signed up for a position with one year remaining on it after the former member resigned. I now know why that person resigned. He couldn't put up with one batshit crazy neighbor. Rant off. And good morning Morons.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at October 12, 2024 06:00 AM (2NHgQ)

49 VIA, kittens make the day starting with a smile easy, don't they.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 12, 2024 06:06 AM (I1GXe)

50 "kittens make the day starting with a smile easy, don't they. "

But of course.

Even though one is convinced that she is a tiny Diva, and can therefor get away with anything she wants.

And her brother is growing so fast that I believe he has outgrown his brain, and has the personality of a Lab puppy.

And he is endearingly clumsy.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 06:10 AM (a1415)

51 I feel so much better now ! If elected, kumala is going to establish a 5 person committee to be responsible for all policy decisions. Rule by unelected committee, yeah, baby.

NOT

Posted by: Ben Had at October 12, 2024 06:10 AM (I1GXe)

52 Politburo is the Marxists way of ruling

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 06:12 AM (fwDg9)

53 "I feel so much better now ! If elected, kumala is going to establish a 5 person committee to be responsible for all policy decisions. Rule by unelected committee, yeah, baby.

NOT"

Alex...I'll take 'What is a Politburo' for $500.00

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 06:13 AM (a1415)

54 51 I feel so much better now ! If elected, kumala is going to establish a 5 person committee to be responsible for all policy decisions. Rule by unelected committee, yeah, baby.

NOT
Posted by: Ben Had at October 12, 2024 06:10 AM (I1GXe)

Hmmm. A job defined by it's supposed ability to cut through the bullshit and make singular decisions. Let's source that out to bureaucracy. Right.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 12, 2024 06:14 AM (y31cs)

55 Ok, the Politburo answers were better. Dammit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 12, 2024 06:15 AM (y31cs)

56 Whoa! Something might be coming.

https://x.com/atensnut/status/1844903135808193012

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at October 12, 2024 06:16 AM (Cp1vk)

57 https://tinyurl.com/mu39mcud
Powerline week in pictures

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 06:16 AM (fwDg9)

58 "Whoa! Something might be coming. "

That post began to bubble up on various blogs yesterday.

Let's wait and see.

But it would be nice.

And so richly deserving if true.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 06:21 AM (a1415)

59 mornin yall. Lug nuts for breakfast. Again.

Posted by: fd at October 12, 2024 06:29 AM (vFG9F)

60
Leaked benchmarks indicate that AMD's Ryzen 9800X3D is up to 13% faster than the current Ryzen 7800X3D. (WCCFTech)

Which is kind of meh, but it's a meh year for computer hardware.

So I'm waiting until the results of N5 to decide if I should upgrade my primary development computer. "Meh" hardware is not motivating. Maybe 2026 if the LORD wills.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:31 AM (rHxhM)

61 HOAs? I have no intention of buying a house governed by an HOA. It's bad enough the state, through property taxes and other things, can tell me what to do with my property. I'm not about to let my neighboring Karens do it too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 06:31 AM (omVj0)

62 "Touchdown Timmy," huh? Oh, please, please let it be true. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 06:31 AM (omVj0)

63 I'm not sure about the V-Tubing stuff, but I got myself a cute girl who wears cute clothes and says funny things to me, so I do kind of get it. Maybe the lunch boxes are cheaper, and also you pause the v-tuber.

Posted by: meh at October 12, 2024 06:31 AM (EkJwg)

64 Even though one [kitten] is convinced that she is a tiny Diva, and can therefor get away with anything she wants.

And her brother is growing so fast that I believe he has outgrown his brain, and has the personality of a Lab puppy.

And he is endearingly clumsy.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024

***
Sounds like my two. Except Stirling has never really been clumsy -- and they are both technically adults now at age two years and a bit more. I still call them "the kittens."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 12, 2024 06:33 AM (omVj0)

65 The HOA where I live has died from indifference. Most of the residences are filled with renters. Few people actually live here.

Posted by: Accomack at October 12, 2024 06:34 AM (YVT+g)

66 Bacon, egg, cheese, green/red pepper, coffee X 2.

Posted by: Eromero at October 12, 2024 06:35 AM (o2ZRX)

67 This is...disturbing.

https://tinyurl.com/ytunk7zp

Anyhow, it's chilly out.....who wants soup?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 06:36 AM (a1415)

68 Words of wisdom to the Horde, do not give any thought to running for your HOA's Board of Directors. What a thankless job where you need to deal with mentally unbalanced individuals. Everyone has a gripe and in some instances it's the same person who gripes on average every 24 hours. Some people need to get a life. SO HAPPY I only signed up for a position with one year remaining on it after the former member resigned. I now know why that person resigned. He couldn't put up with one batshit crazy neighbor.

Same kind of dilemma, I'm drawing up legal papers to smack both the President and VP of our board with embezzlement and fraud charges. Easy lay-up case that a county intern could prosecute.

Problem is, no one wants to back fill the position for the reasons you stated before.

This is why we have criminals in leadership, because they, and the unicorn of altruistic members are the only ones who will take the job.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:36 AM (rHxhM)

69 "Always enough. " A woman reflects on Luke 9:10-17 and the feeding of the crowd with a few fishes and loaves:

https://tinyurl.com/mtysv44t

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 06:36 AM (eQXMe)

70 "Except Stirling has never really been clumsy "

I have watched Frog begin to fall asleep while being petted.

And fall off the couch.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 06:38 AM (a1415)

71 Just wondered: How many films have starred two future governors?

Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 12, 2024 04:11 AM (BLOW1)

Running Man

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:13 AM (ynpvh)

At least two I can think of:
Predator
Running Man
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 12, 2024 04:15 AM (ynpvh)

Also Batman & Robin. But maybe that doesn’t count since it totally sucked?

Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 12, 2024 06:38 AM (JRP2U)

72 "The HOA where I live has died from indifference. Most of the residences are filled with renters. Few people actually live here."

Sounds like your community has entered the 'Doom Loop'.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 06:39 AM (a1415)

73 Tech joke;

Why didn't the programmer enjoy his camping trip?

There were too many bugs.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 06:39 AM (eQXMe)

74

Wait! Where are you going? I was going to make espresso!

Posted by: Blindman at October 12, 2024 06:40 AM (+3QkP)

75 Storm Troopers are clones, right? So how come all Storm Troopers are not trannies?

Posted by: fd at October 12, 2024 06:41 AM (vFG9F)

76 Good morning! What prevents the owners in an HOA from voting to dissolve the HOA? I guess there'd need to be some way to make arrangements for the city to pick up the things the HOA would normally do like upkeep in the common areas and clear the roads in the winter, but all of that could be done by petition to the city council.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 12, 2024 06:41 AM (3Ope8)

77 Hack the vac?

Wait until they hack your 'smart' toilet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 12, 2024 06:43 AM (EY0VU)

78 The HOA where I live has died from indifference. Most of the residences are filled with renters. Few people actually live here.

Technically, where I live is not an HOA, but a collection of share-holders in a private corporation that owns/operates the property, an entity that was formed over a hundred years ago.

Its really more of a hippy commune than a serious fellowship of shareholders who happen to live here. Oil royalties and investment dividends pay the property tax but over the decades, revenue has dropped while expenses have increased and getting people - who don't pay thousands of dollars in property taxes, nor thousands of dollars for HOA dues refuse to even pay to have the (private) roads maintained or have garbage collecting service. The shareholders do keep voting for a large "lake maintenance" slush fund that gets pissed away on God only knows what - zero accountability and zero management plans.

Of course, they can vote to spend but then refuse to cover the six figure gap that keeps increasing each year eating into the seed corn of the investment money from surplus years from decades ago.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:43 AM (rHxhM)

79 As HOA's mature, and Boards been to have turnover, one can see the effects of 'Chesterton's Fence' writ large.

No, really...there was a reason why the original rules said 'No Motorhomes to be parked in the community except for the time needed to load and unload'.

And a raft of other well thought out rules to maintain appearance and property values that are ALWAYS watered down by successive forward thinking Board members.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 06:43 AM (a1415)

80 I don't know what a warhammer is, ( yes; I can look it up. I'm guessing it's a tabletop game with pieces related to war games ) but I enjoyed the touching story in the ONT.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 06:44 AM (XJogI)

81 On my way in saw a short fat white dude wearing a Haiti ballcap, wanted to ask him what they were eating down there now. Didn’t have time.

Posted by: Eromero at October 12, 2024 06:44 AM (o2ZRX)

82 I live in a resort area. Probably a third of all residences are seasonal rentals. More hotel rooms than residents.

Posted by: Accomack at October 12, 2024 06:45 AM (tLPHV)

83 We live in a club founded a long time ago and at the minute we only have one crazy person.

Posted by: Eromero at October 12, 2024 06:47 AM (o2ZRX)

84 Good morning! What prevents the owners in an HOA from voting to dissolve the HOA? I guess there'd need to be some way to make arrangements for the city to pick up the things the HOA would normally do like upkeep in the common areas and clear the roads in the winter, but all of that could be done by petition to the city council.

That is a division by zero problem for us. Each shareholder would get their own lot and all of a sudden have to pay their own property tax - a tax that will force at least 80% of the ne're do wells who live here to sell since the property is lake front in Texas, and that kind of property is taxed at a premium.

These people are deadbeats, most inherited their share and are clueless about the costs and responsibility of property in Texas.

The lake, the community areas (boat launch, low-lying drainage areas) would be in limbo and I imagine the cost to unwind this corporation would be in the seven figures. The city has zero interest in picking up the costs of road maintenance so I imagine the roads will deteriorate into rocks, craters and dust.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:48 AM (rHxhM)

85 Close to 7am and still barely light out

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 06:49 AM (fwDg9)

86 How many films have starred two future governors?

Close, but it's your cigar:
"This Is The Army" had George Murphy and Ronald Reagan --
the rarest of alignments, two future California Republicans.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at October 12, 2024 06:49 AM (zdLoL)

87 One of the two quartz mines in Spruce Pine, North Carolina, is in the process of reopening after the area was devastated by Hurricane Helene ten days ago.

That's because Joe made Kammy "Quartz Czar"!!

You may thank her when you vote

Posted by: Bruce at October 12, 2024 06:49 AM (taaBm)

88 Fen Warhammer is a game system, covering many types of games from realistic to fantasy.

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 06:50 AM (fwDg9)

89 Texas.

The lake, the community areas (boat launch, low-lying drainage areas) would be in limbo and I imagine the cost to unwind this corporation would be in the seven figures. The city has zero interest in picking up the costs of road maintenance so I imagine the roads will deteriorate into rocks, craters and dust.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:48 AM (rHxhM
Are we neighbors?

Posted by: Eromero at October 12, 2024 06:51 AM (o2ZRX)

90 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at October 12, 2024 06:52 AM (hoCmQ)

91 As HOA's mature, and Boards been to have turnover, one can see the effects of 'Chesterton's Fence' writ large.

Cultures change too.

One of the by-laws is that no one can live out here unless they are closely related to the share-holder or have been vetted (criminal background check) and voted upon by the board. Mind you, this corporation was formed in the late 1800s.

Nowadays, we have shack-ups and others treating some of the properties like a flop house.

Laws change too. The lease boilerplate, last modified in the 1950s doesn't recognize reverse mortgages (which, regardless is a terrible idea for lease-holds since it invites HUD in to referee and push around the landlord only as a Communist USG agency can do.)

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:53 AM (rHxhM)

92 Woman with no flight experience lands plane after her husband has a heart attack:

https://tinyurl.com/2cjbknrt

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 06:54 AM (XJogI)

93 Are we neighbors?

Does the word "Devernia" mean anything to you?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:55 AM (rHxhM)

94 LOL. I could not remember Arnold being governor of California. Maybe because he ran as a GOP and governed like a Dem?

Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 12, 2024 06:56 AM (+H2BX)

95 Whoa! Something might be coming.

https://x.com/atensnut/status/1844903135808193012
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at October 12, 2024 06:16 AM (Cp1vk)
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Looking at Walz, you just knew something like this was coming

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 12, 2024 06:56 AM (e60I/)

96 93 Are we neighbors?

Does the word "Devernia" mean anything to you?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:55 AM (rHxhM
Not right off hand. Does the word levee mean anything to you?

Posted by: Eromero at October 12, 2024 06:57 AM (o2ZRX)

97 https://inchhighguy.wordpress.com/women warriors 291
https://tinyurl.com/38tsrt8y

Just pretty smiling military woman of the world

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 06:58 AM (fwDg9)

98 That's because Joe made Kammy "Quartz Czar"!!

Joe's always misunderstood. It's because he mumbles.
In fact, he called her a "Quart Jar."

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at October 12, 2024 06:59 AM (zdLoL)

99 Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 06:50 AM (fwDg9)

Thanks, Skip. I should have known that if it involved war games you would know, since you have the fascinating hobby with setting up battles with little figures from the Napoleonic campaigns.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 06:59 AM (KbwJl)

100 Not right off hand. Does the word levee mean anything to you?

You and I are close (proximate to Longview)

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:59 AM (rHxhM)

101

Does the term M.A.P. mean anything to you?

Posted by: T. WALZ at October 12, 2024 07:00 AM (+3QkP)

102 Remember Marxists have no moral values

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 07:00 AM (fwDg9)

103 Every home in our community was built to include a two car garage. As well as a driveway that will accommodate a minimum of two vehicles parked there without the vehicle extending over the public sidewalk portion of the driveway, which typically by law is not to be blocked for pedestrians by a vehicle being parked on it.

And...we have a bylaw that states that no garage may be modified for any use beyond it's original designed purpose, which would be the ability to park two vehicles in it.

And we even have a rule that there is no on street parking with the exception of things like contractors performing work that day and such.

Yet we still have folks with a three bedroom home who have set up their garage as a man-cave, and own five vehicles. Of which one is parked blocking the sidewalk, and two are parked on the street. Usually directly across the street from the other neighbor, who is living the same vehicular lifestyle, preventing anything from school busses to emergency vehicles, to trash trucks from passing safely between them.

But hey, that 98" widescreen looks great on the garage wall in front of the two couches set up to watch football.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 07:01 AM (a1415)

104 They have morals. "By any means necessary" is one of them. They take the seven deadly sins and turn them into virtues.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 12, 2024 07:01 AM (+H2BX)

105 It seems Warhammer system does require you to get there figures. But it is very popular so much on the Pennsylvania Main Line there is a Warhammer store in a strip mall

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 07:02 AM (fwDg9)

106 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at October 12, 2024 07:02 AM (aZ162)

107 102 Remember Marxists have no moral values
Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 07:00 AM (fwDg9)

ENDS = MEANS

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 12, 2024 07:02 AM (gbOdA)

108 G'morning Horde.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 07:02 AM (O7YUW)

109 Nobody reads the CC and Rs.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 12, 2024 07:03 AM (+H2BX)

110 I do term 'morals' in a Jewish/ Christian term.
Marxism is do whatever you can and hope you don't get caught for it.

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 07:03 AM (fwDg9)

111 Prayer and coffee are up!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 07:03 AM (a1415)

112 Looking at Walz, you just knew something like this was coming

Out of hundreds of millions of people to choose from, they pick this guy for high political office.

I do like the prose in that post. It could all be Bravo Sierra, but I like the drip, drip, drip of details and innuendo. This is how you create rumors.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 07:04 AM (rHxhM)

113 95 Whoa! Something might be coming.

https://x.com/atensnut/status/1844903135808193012
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at October 12, 2024 06:16 AM (Cp1vk)
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Looking at Walz, you just knew something like this was coming
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Until it drops, it's just X trash talk. I completely believe it, I just don't think it will go anywhere.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at October 12, 2024 07:05 AM (aZ162)

114 100 Not right off hand. Does the word levee mean anything to you?

You and I are close (proximate to Longview)
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 06:59 AM (rHxhM
Yep. We could shoot together.

Posted by: Eromero at October 12, 2024 07:07 AM (o2ZRX)

115

SOMETHINGS COMING!

AHHHAHAGGGHHHHH!

Oh God.....

Posted by: T. WALZ at October 12, 2024 07:09 AM (+3QkP)

116 Pixy: "But it might take a while to build systems in all the cases I now have."

Yeah, but you'll have a ton of fun doing that, and good on you.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 07:11 AM (O7YUW)

117 And...we have a bylaw that states that no garage may be modified for any use beyond it's original designed purpose, which would be the ability to park two vehicles in it.

I think that is why people hate HOAs - everyone except Karen.

OTOH, our hippy commune has zero standards, which to some degree is OK because it is a culture fit. Our most recent resident put up this massive metal shed and decided to use the corporation's property as collateral (and the corporation now, illegally has a lien against it). Despite adding 1500sqft of storage, he piles up three rusting hulks of mid 20th century automotive hardware scattered on the half acre lot.

It is at an intersection so guests get to drive by what looks like Sanford & Son meets Jamal the Meth Dealer.

Still better than some whiny shrew taking pictures of the property because a tree limb fell from the previous night's storm.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 07:11 AM (rHxhM)

118 Bad Touch Walz?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 12, 2024 07:11 AM (y31cs)

119 Yep. We could shoot together.

I can look for you at the MoMe, we will recognize each other.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 07:12 AM (rHxhM)

120 We had to be in an HOA when we lived in CO, because every cfukin place was an HOA or 'covenant' neighborhood. I didn't complain too much much because the dues were minimal ($100 </mo) but those MFers would write you a ticket for having weeds in your driveway even though the common areas were sprouting weeds like an ag co-op.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 12, 2024 07:13 AM (3Ope8)

121 105 It seems Warhammer system does require you to get there figures. But it is very popular so much on the Pennsylvania Main Line there is a Warhammer store in a strip mall
Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 07:02 AM (fwDg9)

Warhammer is next level. It's adherents seem to go completely into the things. All in.

I remember a buddy tried to get me into tabletop gaming. I started with Axis and Allies. I started to obsessively build my army and made sure to buy the packs to get all the unit because you have to get like 5 scout cars to get that Tiger you want. Then he turns to me 'You know, Warhammer is even BETTER.'

Get behind me, Satan.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 12, 2024 07:14 AM (y31cs)

122 "I think that is why people hate HOAs - everyone except Karen. "

To be fair, nobody here will make a stink if you wish to turn your garage into a woodworking shop, or even a man-cave.

Until your vehicles overflow into where we all agreed when we bought our homes that we would keep our vehicles out of.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 07:17 AM (a1415)

123 We had to be in an HOA when we lived in CO, because every cfukin place was an HOA or 'covenant' neighborhood.

What is funny around here is that one of the board members (who is also allegedly the "lake warden") complains that we are getting to be like an HOA whenever anyone asks for some level of accountability.

For example, this is a multi-million dollar corporation that has never run on a budget and some people (like me) are demanding a budget (because of the annual hemorrhaging of money) and a lake management plan. These rubes don't understand a pro-forma cash flow statement even when its printed in color. They think the cardiac red ink is there because the black ink ran out on the ink jet printer.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 07:19 AM (rHxhM)

124
To be fair, nobody here will make a stink if you wish to turn your garage into a woodworking shop, or even a man-cave.

I would quit whining if some of the neighbors would just fix their aerobic septic system so it doesn't smell like an urban bus station restroom each time the tanks need to spray the "processed" water.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2024 07:22 AM (rHxhM)

125 The new big lie is Trump inherited Obama's surging economy. I guess if he wins he will inherit the prosperity the Harris/ Biden economy has brought us.

Posted by: fd at October 12, 2024 07:24 AM (vFG9F)

126 "aerobic septic system so it doesn't smell like an urban bus station restroom each time the tanks need to spray the "processed" water."

Not familiar with that type of system.

Sounds......aromatic.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 12, 2024 07:25 AM (a1415)

127 There is one way to defeat any zoning, covenant, or HOA.
About 20 years ago, a widder lady and her grass-widow daughter next to our across-the-road commercial barn property got bored and developed a Call The Zoning Police habit. They ticketed me for keeping one of my brand new old trucks outside. With the indoor shop space used up, I had to off my then-current project car, a 66 Toronado, at a loss.

I bought their house and tore it down. Planted some trees, and I have firewood stored there now. Don't be small minded. Be the big guy.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at October 12, 2024 07:37 AM (zdLoL)

128 @126/Village Idiot's Apprentice: "Sounds......aromatic."

The challenging days 'round these parts is when the farmers fertilize their fields with slurry (fermented manure.) This is like an order of magnitude more offensive to the olfactory senses than regular manure.

You pray for rain so it washes it down into the ground and it isn't stinking up the great outdoors so much. The farmers around here do seem to try to spread this when rain's in the forecast. I'm sure they don't like living next to the stench cloud for very long either.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 07:44 AM (O7YUW)

129 Well, I have to say it is important to be a good neighbor and make best efforts to cultivate a good relationship with your neighbors. There's always gonna be assholes in the neighborhood though. I think when we started building neighborhoods with no sidewalks and houses with no front porches, we began the slide into disassociation with our neighbors.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 12, 2024 07:44 AM (3Ope8)

130 "The challenging days 'round these parts is when the farmers fertilize their fields with slurry (fermented manure.) This is like an order of magnitude more offensive to the olfactory senses than regular manure."

One of my oldest friend's family lived on a generational orange grove on Merritt Island, FL. There used to be a bunch of them but after decades of freezes and suburban growth he ended up with the last one (s of 520).

His grove was surrounded by McMansions populated by people who had no idea what agriculture was. He has a pack of vicious dogs and very good fencing. He was delighted when he discovered that sprayed sludge manure. It would stick for weeks after he sprayed the grove with it. I have a ton of stories about our antics over the years.

Posted by: pawn at October 12, 2024 07:52 AM (QB+5g)

131
"D-9."

You sank my battleship, you bastard!

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at October 12, 2024 08:15 AM (LdpYW)

132 It is no surprise to me that the quartz mine road is open. The people and support N.C. has received from around the country is amazing. There were numerous helicopters in the air 48 hours after the storm passed with N.C. national guardsman climbing up to the area we were stranded in on Saturday. They were medevac flights for people with medical issues or who were physically unable to walk down the mountain. We retrieved our car from outside Banner Elk yesterday. Roads that we thought would be impassable foe weeks if not months were open. There was a tremendous amount of debris to be seen but we saw 6-7 miles of new power poles on a twisting winding mountain road along with the road clearance and temporary repairs. The only complaint we heard was FEMA's slow and bureaucratic response to help for individuals and small business.

Posted by: madmike at October 12, 2024 09:03 AM (XoF1A)

133 "Words of wisdom to the Horde, do not" buy property in an HOA. Between the ineluctable "batshit crazy neighbor" and the usual petty tyrants on the board, it isn't worth the grief.

Posted by: Chas C-Q at October 12, 2024 10:22 AM (U8S9W)

134 Soon. Soon I will have them all!
You forgot to put in the maniacal laugh there.

Posted by: GWB at October 12, 2024 11:00 AM (E8qwH)

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Posted by: Miona at October 12, 2024 01:31 PM (S09Jr)

136 "But it might take a while to build systems in all the cases I now have."

Oh, that's right!..all that inside stuff!..

Posted by: look whats not at October 12, 2024 02:03 PM (nakGR)

137 Yеs! Finally something about unitarian.

Posted by: chairmen at October 13, 2024 07:15 PM (RslcX)

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