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Saturday Evening Movie Thread [10/17/2024]

Halloween


The Halloween franchise is a mess, a complete and total mess. It resets to one degree or another five separate times. It has a serious identity crisis from almost the beginning. It doesn't know what to do with its main draw, its central monster. Out of the three major slasher franchises of the 80s, it's the least cohesive and, arguably, the worst through that heyday. For all of the faults of Friday the 13th and A Nightmare on Elm Street and their sequels, they at least understood what they were at a level that Halloween never did.

It started the best of them, though. John Carpenter's original is a wonderful example of Hitchcockian suspense updated to the late 70s milieu without feeling like an over-the-top homage like was de Palma's wont (not that I dislike de Palma's 70s output, or anything). Carpenter had a sense of cinematic craft that people like Steve Miner and Wes Craven were never able to get close to replicating. However, what Halloween started, it never defined, falling behind the curve when it came to the slasher genre almost immediately.

So, what to make of this franchise, run by a man who ended up having almost nothing else cinematically but this franchise, the producer Moustapha Akkad, and seemingly no idea how to run it? This franchise started by one of the premiere genre craftsmen of his time (Carpenter), given over to lesser talents for decades, resurrected in different forms over and over again, and finally given to the curious pair of an indie darling filmmaker (David Gordon Green) and comedian (Danny McBride)? Well, I see three main things that jump out at me. The first is the constant resets. The second is the dueling influences on the franchise's approach to horror. The third is the treatment of Michael Myers himself.

Continuity


The Halloween franchise could be treated as a choose your own adventure exercise. You can pick out individual entries, combine them together into your own choice of how things progress, and you wouldn't be wrong. By my count, you can easily do the franchise seven different ways.

Halloween alone. Halloween and Halloween II together. Halloween III alone. Halloween, Halloween II, and Halloween Part 4: The Return of Michael Myers, Halloween Part 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers, and Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers. Halloween, Halloween II and Halloween H20: 20 Years Later and Halloween Resurrection. Rob Zombie's Halloween and Halloween II alone. The original Halloween and the 2018 sequel trilogy made up of Halloween, Halloween Kills, and Halloween Ends together.

You could probably throw in some other variations like having Halloween Resurrection follow Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers, as well. That's how loose and kind of stupid trying to string all of these movies is.

For all the faults of Friday the 13th and A Nightmare on Elm Street, one entry actually followed another. Jason is left at the bottom of Crystal Lake at the end of the sixth entry, so at the start of the seventh, he has to be dragged out of it somehow (it involves psychic powers,...it's dumb). Freddy gets fully killed in his second entry, so to bring him back, a hellhound must piss fire on his body. It's not that these moves are genius, but that there's at least some effort to have the franchises makes some kind of sense from one entry to the next. When John Carpenter insisted that III be its own, independent entry about Halloween masks being the plot of Celtic gods, or something (honestly, it's a creepy thing and works decently), the franchise broke. When Akkad pushed the franchise back to Michael Myers and his killings with the fourth entry, he lost the plot almost immediately, relying entirely on a drunken idea from Carpenter and Debra Hill in the second entry of Myers and Laurie Strode being siblings to drive everything afterwards, following in the tradition of Friday the 13th of finding increasingly stupid reasons to bring the guy back (it works best with a wink and a nod like in Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives).

But, the specific rabbit hole that Akkad and his writers went down came to a dead end with the cult in the sixth entry, forcing a complete reset to bring back Jamie Lee Curtis who hadn't been in one of these since the second entry for the seventh, H20 that cast aside everything since II and even tried to bring back Carpenter (he demanded too much money because of his perception that he'd been underpaid since the first film's surprise success, so he was replaced by Steve Miner, the director of the first Friday the 13th). This lasted for two films, through Resurrection until the death of Akkad at the hands of terrorists in Jordan when his son, Malek, worked with the Weinsteins at Miramax to bring on Rob Zombie for his pair of films, a reboot and its sequel that stand completely apart from everything that came before.

The franchise being too valuable to languish forever, the rights eventually passed to Jason Blum of Blumhouse where he hired David Gordon Green and Danny McBride to make their trilogy that cast off everything since the very first entry, making sequels to that specifically.

What is this franchise? It's a mess, that's what it is.

Influence


The first American slasher is usually regarded as either Black Christmas or The Texas Chainsaw Massacre in 1974 with roots dating back to Psycho in 1960, but if there's a singular influence on the genre as a whole, it would be Mario Bava's A Bay of Blood from 1971. Where Psycho broke through the Hays Office's strictures and showed America a killer with a knife as the primary character in a film, it was Bava's tale of a group of teenagers showing up to an Italian lake to have a fun weekend, getting murdered by a masked villain, and all of it being for esoteric land-related reasons that obviously spawned the conventions that defined the slasher genre through the 80s.

Halloween ended up caught in between that major driver of the genre and its own origins. Carpenter's first film was very much in the tradition of Hitchcock and suspense. It's a slow, steady film where the first real kill doesn't happen until about an hour in, more about building this sense of unease over the bulk of its runtime than delivering exploitation-laden thrills. However, that was not to last because the derivative (admittedly so from the film's producer, Sean Cunningham) Friday the 13th went in that Bava direction immediately. Yes, it replicates the idea of teenagers dying at the hands of a masked (well, sort of, hidden in the first one is closer to the truth) killer in a film with a named day of the year, but it's about teenagers at a lake environment, the kills happen much more frequently and earlier, and there's a hidden motive from the killer (not about land, though). The impetus for the film was Halloween, but the inspiration was all A Bay of Blood.

And in between the release of the first Halloween and the second, Friday the 13th released...as well as Friday the 13th Part 2. The genre that Halloween was never really part of but became entrapped in had moved beyond Hitchcockian suspense and into Bava-esque exploitation. This manifested during the production of Halloween II with Carpenter, as writer, wanting to push the film in the Bava direction to keep up with trends while the director, Rick Rosenthal, wanted to keep with Carpenter's original in terms of suspense. Carpenter even directed some reshoots to push the film more in the Friday the 13th direction.

The franchise had already lost its identity, falling between influences and never really delivering on either (II has its fans, and I'm not here to slag on it, but it is kind of a hodgepodge of approaches). The only time it really went back to trying to be like Carpenter originally tried was in H20: Twenty Years Later and Rob Zombie's first reboot entry. Outside of that, the franchise feels like a Friday the 13th imitation, which is ironic since Halloween predates it.

The newest trilogy, though, represents a synthesis of a sorts. Returning to the original while discarding all of the sequels, David Gordon Green leans more heavily towards suspense than most of the sequels, but intermittently. Kills is more outrageous, especially with its opening of fire and water, and leans more heavily into the Bava influences that dominated the franchise for so long. Ends, though, is something in between. More of a character piece for a very long stretch of its running time, it does end up delivering outrageous kills (including a welder in someone's mouth), balancing the tension of a character piece watching a young man go bad with the kind of sensationalism that most fans want from the franchise (most fans rejected it as not really a Halloween movie at all).

Michael Myers


One of the best things about John Carpenter's original film is Michael Myers himself. As the character played by Donald Pleasance, Dr. Sam Loomis, says "I met him, 15 years ago; I was told there was nothing left; no reason, no conscience, no understanding in even the most rudimentary sense of life or death, of good or evil, right or wrong. I met this... six-year-old child with this blank, pale, emotionless face, and... the blackest eyes - the Devil's eyes. I spent eight years trying to reach him, and then another seven trying to keep him locked up, because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply... evil."

There's nothing in there about wanting to get out to kill his unknown sister because of family, or something. It's just that Myers, listed as The Shape in the film's credits, is pure evil in human form. There's nothing else to him other than that he houses evil.

Well, what do you do with that in a follow up? Why does he come back? Why does he come back to attack the final girl in the previous film, Laurie, once more? Well, Carpenter and Hill, writing the script while getting drunk every night, decided on the familial connection because they couldn't come up with anything else, and I think it's been a massive mistake ever since.

Michael as The Shape, a vessel for evil, is scary and even interesting. He's not human. He's bigger than that. He's harder to understand. Michael out to kill his relatives (and never really keeping to it, especially in Revenge when he goes after a bunch of random teenagers throughout the bulk of the film, ignoring his niece for very long stretches) is closer to human as a motive. In fact, it's a motive. He's no longer just evil walking the streets of small-town USA, he's a guy with a specific grudge that thinly carries through most of the sequels. It makes him smaller and less interesting, forcing the need to fill out the films' running times with other nonsense like a cult. It was generally a mistake, I think. Freddy Krueger had a motive, but he also had personality. Jason had motive, but he was blunt and stupid. Myers was something else, and Akkad and Carpenter made him less.

And this is where David Gordon Green and Danny McBride really broke with the previous entries. I don't think they hated everything since the first film (the entry on influences should have made that clear), but it's obvious that they felt that motiveless Myers gave them something more interesting to do that to have another story of Myers pursuing Laurie because they're family. Instead, they went back to Myers being a random killing machine and vehicle of evil, finding ways to evolve that over their trilogy from mostly a repeat of the idea in the first, to the idea of trauma from that evil metastasizing across a community to create more damage and even strengthen the evil itself in Kills, to the Shape changing form in Ends. It's what you'd kind of expect from handing a slasher franchise off to the guy who made Undertow and Your Highness. Both more serious and sillier at the same time.

The Future


I'm sure the franchise will continue in some form at some point. Probably a complete reboot (...again) since Jamie Lee Curtis isn't going to be in another one of these, but what direction will it go? Have we reached the end of the gritty reboot? Will it be a television series on streaming? Will it go full gross out like the Terrifier franchise? No idea, but we will be getting a fourteenth entry at some point. These films are too cheap to make, too well known, and make too much money relative to their budgets to not be utilized.

That being said, the incoherence of the franchise as a whole never rises to anything like a positive attribute. Too much is too miserable like the Thorne Cycle (entries four, five, and six) and the Zombie films (the second, in particular, which has more in common with Funny Games than anything else) to recommend. It's the granddaddy of the three major slasher franchises of the 80s, and yet I feel like it's the least of the three. Nightmare is the most consistent and imaginative. Friday is the most self-aware of its own shortcomings. Halloween is just too uneven and random, though I have grown to greatly enjoy the Green trilogy over the past few years. So, it seems safe to say that out of the three franchises that all got reboots after their heyday, it's Halloween that probably came off best.

The whole thing, though? A mess.
Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Smile 2

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Halloween (Rating 4/4) Full Review "It's weird that something so quiet and slow continues to get so much love, especially considering how the slasher franchise world developed after it." [Personal Collection]

Halloween II (Rating 1.5/4) Full Review "It's mostly boring as we watch cannon fodder plod towards death." [Library]

Halloween III: Season of the Witch (Rating 2/4) Full Review "Does it have its own charms within the horror genre? For sure. Is it good? I wouldn't go that far, but it's far from worthless." [Library]

Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers (Rating 0.5/4) Full Review "Take a break, Michael. You need a rest." [Library]

Halloween H20: 20 Years Later (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "However, Miner and Akkad just didn't know when to quit, and we end up with still the second best entry in the franchise so far. I mean...it's a low bar, but it did clear it." [Library]

Halloween (2018 ) (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Not everything works all the time, but it's a solid entry and probably better than the franchise ever deserved." [Personal Collection]

Halloween Kills (Rating 3/4) Full Review "So, it's something of a mess, but I find this throughline in the film that I latch onto pretty hard." [Library]

Halloween Ends (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "Halloween Ends is easily the best sequel since the original film, the one that does the most to actually expand on the original ideas, the one with the best handle on the kind of horror that Carpenter originally strived for, and the one with the best overall approach to its character-based storytelling." [Library]

Contact

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I've also archived all the old posts here, by request. I'll add new posts a week after they originally post at the HQ.

My next post will be on 11/9, and I'm not quite sure what it'll be yet. I'll come up with something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at 07:45 PM




Comments

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1 Popcorn time

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 07:45 PM (fwDg9)

2 The best Halloween movie is Hocus Pocus.

*runs*

Posted by: Dr. T at October 19, 2024 07:45 PM (lHPJf)

3 Just watched , and after somehow Jennifer Connally came up, Top Gum Maverick with Jennifer Connally. Never saw it before.

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 07:47 PM (fwDg9)

4 Just a moment....Just a moment.

I've just picked up a fault in the AE-35 Unit.

Its going to go 100 percent failure within 72 hours.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at October 19, 2024 07:49 PM (vphdi)

5 Now do Art the Clown, LOL.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 19, 2024 07:49 PM (qb5kG)

6 The first Halloween was great.
Lots of jump scares, and non jump scares.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 19, 2024 07:51 PM (qb5kG)

7 Original Halloween was bloodless. That's what makes it Hitchcockian. Hitchcock rightly said that our imaginations could make a more horrible sight than anything he could show on screen.

Posted by: MkY at October 19, 2024 07:52 PM (cPGH3)

8 Wth? Where is everyone?

I just participated the Guinness World Record Foam finger waving event.

First intermission at the good old hockey game.

It's the best game you can name.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 19, 2024 07:53 PM (qb5kG)

9 I learned that screening teenagers always get whacked.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 19, 2024 07:54 PM (qb5kG)

10 Screening= screwing

Duh.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 19, 2024 07:55 PM (qb5kG)

11

I'm glad I can live in a country that can support someone who can write a 1000 words of meaningless horseshit...

Posted by: Jesus Christ at October 19, 2024 07:56 PM (/YmTL)

12 Original is fantastic, the rest eh

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 07:57 PM (fwDg9)

13 My list of goofy horror movies I made a point of NOT seeing including any spin offs or sequels:

Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Friday the 13th
Halloween
I know what you did last summer

Scary movies I did watch:
Saw the original (not a fan of the sequels}
Scary Movie I





Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 07:57 PM (c7ptB)

14 11

I'm glad I can live in a country that can support someone who can write a 1000 words of meaningless horseshit...
Posted by: Jesus Christ at October 19, 2024 07:56 PM (/YmTL)

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More like 2000.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 07:57 PM (GBKbO)

15 In all seriousness, the first Halloween movie has grown on me over the years, as I've come to appreciate the element of suspense and what's being left unsaid. (or unstabbed)

One thing that I heard a couple of years ago (it may have been in the Joe Bob Briggs commentary) was that Donald Pleasance envisioned his character being a mirror image of Myers. He's a force for good, but a force nonetheless. He doesn't really have any attachments or complexities, just a single-minded determination to stop Michael. Kind of interesting when you think about it.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 19, 2024 07:58 PM (lHPJf)

16 How come witches can't have babies?
Cause men have hollow wieners.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:00 PM (c7ptB)

17 The scariest movies I have ever seen are Bela Lugosi in Dracula. Renfrew(?) scared me more. And Pinocchio. Play hookey one day and spend the rest of your life as a beast of burden.
Scared straight at a drive in when I was 8.
I don't watch horror, I read the news instead.

Posted by: jimmymcnulty at October 19, 2024 08:00 PM (3xDcs)

18 I'm glad I can live in a country that can support someone who can write a 1000 words of meaningless horseshit...
Posted by: Jesus Christ at October 19, 2024 07:56 PM (/YmTL)


I thought You were living in heaven.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 19, 2024 08:01 PM (lHPJf)

19 Kind of interesting when you think about it.
Posted by: Dr. T

It's an interesting take.
Haven't seen it in years.
I walked out of the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
I don't like slasher movies. They leave nothing to the imagination, and only show gore.

Posted by: MkY at October 19, 2024 08:02 PM (cPGH3)

20 An intriguing twist more of a sherlock rather than a van helsing speaking of

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 19, 2024 08:02 PM (pGTZo)

21 More like 2000.
Posted by: TJM's phone

Braggart. Next thing we know, you're gonna claim to be a 12" pianist...

Posted by: Jesus Christ at October 19, 2024 08:03 PM (/YmTL)

22 Huck Follywood. They’re all perverts.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at October 19, 2024 08:04 PM (23/y9)

23 Im a classic horror fan.
American Werewolf in London was on HBO in the 70's and scared the BeJesus out of me.
When HBO first aired Karen Black was in a vignette where she was gifted an African art work that came to life and chased her around her apartment with a knife.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:05 PM (c7ptB)

24 Thx TJM. Never seen any of the sequels or reboots . The original Halloween was a great horror film, as was the original Friday the 13th. Never saw a reason to revisit them though.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 19, 2024 08:05 PM (YUtTn)

25 SCTV 3D theater scared me more than Halloween!!!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:06 PM (c7ptB)

26 24 Thx TJM. Never seen any of the sequels or reboots . The original Halloween was a great horror film, as was the original Friday the 13th. Never saw a reason to revisit them though.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 19, 2024 08:05 PM

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I kind of hate the first Friday the 13th. The only one I genuinely like is the sixth. 4, 5,and X have their charms but I wouldn't call them good.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:07 PM (GBKbO)

27 Thx TJM. Never seen any of the sequels or reboots . The original Halloween was a great horror film, as was the original Friday the 13th. Never saw a reason to revisit them though.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 19, 2024 08:05 PM (YUtTn)


If you've never seen Jason X: Jason goes to space, you're missing out.

Missing out on lobotomizing yourself with a dessert spoon, mostly, but missing out nonetheless.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 19, 2024 08:07 PM (lHPJf)

28
SCTV 3D theater scared me more than Halloween!!!
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It!


3D House of Stewardesses !

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 19, 2024 08:08 PM (63Dwl)

29 27 If you've never seen Jason X: Jason goes to space, you're missing out.

Missing out on lobotomizing yourself with a dessert spoon, mostly, but missing out nonetheless.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 19, 2024 08:07 PM (lHPJf)

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It's real dumb, but it's kind of fun.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:08 PM (GBKbO)

30 Oh jason x was ridiculous

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 19, 2024 08:08 PM (pGTZo)

31

Karen Black was nasty. Yuck.

Posted by: Elderly Git at October 19, 2024 08:09 PM (/YmTL)

32 I still would advocate Alien and sequels as horror movies

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 08:09 PM (fwDg9)

33 It! Umm a clown in the gutter woooo lmao

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:09 PM (c7ptB)

34 And nothing about Chainsaw in Summer School starring Marc Harmon?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 19, 2024 08:10 PM (u73oe)

35 31

Karen Black was nasty. Yuck.
Posted by: Elderly Git at October 19, 2024 08:09 PM (/YmTL)

You were expecting Elvira Mistress of the Dark?
Its a HORROR skit google it!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:12 PM (c7ptB)

36 Speaking of scary . . .

https://is.gd/1ZyXbb

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 19, 2024 08:12 PM (L/fGl)

37 Trilogy of terror?

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 19, 2024 08:13 PM (pGTZo)

38

What about sexplotation horror movies with lots, lots of bouncing titties?

Posted by: Rod Porkmore at October 19, 2024 08:14 PM (/YmTL)

39 36 Speaking of scary . . .

https://is.gd/1ZyXbb

Aaaaaa make it stop!!!!!!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:14 PM (c7ptB)

40 That was terrifying

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 19, 2024 08:14 PM (pGTZo)

41 I still would advocate Alien and sequels as horror movies
Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 08:09 PM (fwDg9)


I would rate The Thing above Alien. It combines cosmic horror with gory, gross-out body horror, both of which unsettle me in different ways.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 19, 2024 08:15 PM (lHPJf)

42 >I'm sure the franchise will continue in some form at some point.

Michael Meyers for President.

Posted by: davidt at October 19, 2024 08:15 PM (i0F8b)

43 Whew, saw the lede and thought what level of horror is moviqeec(sp) going to take us to? Thank goodness it's mild mannered TJM.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 19, 2024 08:15 PM (yU0dr)

44 Alien was more suspenseful but it was a slow burn

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 19, 2024 08:17 PM (pGTZo)

45 The original Halloween and the 2018 sequel were both great. Never saw the two follow-ones because they got panned. Maybe I'll check 'em out.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 08:17 PM (t9gtU)

46 What is it that makes a movie look like a TV show instead of a movie? I'm watching "House Of Wax" on Svengoolie and it has this appearance that struck me as looking like a 80s Dr Who show. There is something I can't put my finger on that made me make that association.

Posted by: fd at October 19, 2024 08:17 PM (vFG9F)

47 43 Whew, saw the lede and thought what level of horror is moviqeec(sp) going to take us to? Thank goodness it's mild mannered TJM.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 19, 2024 08:15 PM (yU0dr)

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I have no response to that.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:17 PM (GBKbO)

48 Would like to say up but by Monday morning need to be up very early so going to try and get on schedule.
Everyone have a great evening

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2024 08:17 PM (fwDg9)

49 Maybe it's the lighting.

Posted by: fd at October 19, 2024 08:18 PM (vFG9F)

50 What about being sodomized by Michael Meyers who is being sodomized by an unspeakable eldritch horror?

What about that, I ask you!

Posted by: Rod Porkmore at October 19, 2024 08:19 PM (/YmTL)

51 Instrumental theme music for Halloween movies fits well. Likewise with Jaws.

Posted by: scampydog phone at October 19, 2024 08:19 PM (41CYW)

52 The short story, "Prey," was published in Playboy magazine long before the Karen Black short film. Creepy as hell.

Posted by: davidt at October 19, 2024 08:19 PM (i0F8b)

53 45 The original Halloween and the 2018 sequel were both great. Never saw the two follow-ones because they got panned. Maybe I'll check 'em out.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 08:17 PM (t9gtU)

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Kills is a mess, but I think there's enough going on to make it interesting.

Ends goes way off in another direction and pisses off fans for, effectively, not being about Myers at all.

Just caveat emptor, is all.

I think it might be like me really liking Escape from LA. I genuinely enjoy it, but lots of people genuinely hate it. That sort of thing.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:20 PM (GBKbO)

54 Mild mannered?! You just know TJM has a fully functional cinema dungeon.

Let people know where you're going when he invites you for "an impromptu giallo festival".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 08:20 PM (t9gtU)

55 I watched The Thing on HBO as a new release.
The movie was well done and was more horror than Sci-Fi IMHO.
Due to the great storyline a great storyline it wasn't until recently when it is showing up on my streaming TV apps that I saw Kurt Russel starred.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:21 PM (c7ptB)

56 54 Mild mannered?! You just know TJM has a fully functional cinema dungeon.

Let people know where you're going when he invites you for "an impromptu giallo festival".
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 08:20 PM (t9gtU)

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Giallo is something I've always wanted to like more than I actually do. There's Suspiria, and then there's everything else far below it.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:21 PM (GBKbO)

57 What about being sodomized by Michael Meyers who is being sodomized by an unspeakable eldritch horror?

What about that, I ask you!
Posted by: Rod Porkmore at October 19, 2024 08:19 PM (/YmTL)


But what about the unspeakable eldritch horror getting sodomized by a demon goat-monster, while being sodomized in turn by Zombie Prophet Muhammad, huh? Huh? Answer me that!

Posted by: Dr. T at October 19, 2024 08:22 PM (lHPJf)

58 I liked that style rather than the cgi heavy modern trash

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 19, 2024 08:23 PM (pGTZo)

59 I think it might be like me really liking Escape from LA. I genuinely enjoy it, but lots of people genuinely hate it. That sort of thing.
Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:20 PM (GBKbO)
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I kinda loved "Escape From L.A."! I'd rather see crapulent rumbustion than bloodless Art.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 08:23 PM (t9gtU)

60

Cinema Dungeon?

Like, 500 feet of nitrocellulose stuffed up your ass?

Well, OK...

Posted by: Hunter Bidet at October 19, 2024 08:24 PM (/YmTL)

61 I watched a pretty good, low budget suspense movie this afternoon, Unknown (2006). A group of men awaken in various degrees of restraint in an abandoned industrial building all suffering from amnesia because of an accidental chemical release. It's clear that some are good guys and some bad guys but no one knows who's who.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 19, 2024 08:24 PM (L/fGl)

62 Giallo is something I've always wanted to like more than I actually do. There's Suspiria, and then there's everything else far below it.
Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:21 PM (GBKbO)


I saw a few snippets of Suspiria last year, and have no desire to watch the rest. All that wire....*shudders*

Posted by: Dr. T at October 19, 2024 08:24 PM (lHPJf)

63 Giallo is something I've always wanted to like more than I actually do
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That's exactly what somebody with a cinema dungeon would say to make you complacent.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 08:25 PM (t9gtU)

64

Is cinema dungeon like a low tech Mst3k? And how does one subscribe to that channel? AND ARE THERE TITS?

Posted by: Hunter Bidet at October 19, 2024 08:28 PM (/YmTL)

65 I get my horror fix watching the MSM these days.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:29 PM (c7ptB)

66 The original Halloween was a delight and I can still enjoy watching it. Sequels, eh, watchable but, well, eh. (Halloween 3 doesn't count as it ain't a Michael.) The reboots, eh. Liked that the original was nice edge-of-your-seat stuff with no need for a lot of on-screen gore. It did the job of scaring the audience without turning their stomachs. The original Texas Chainsaw was kinda like that too -- surprisingly little graphic gore, given that its title implied an absolute bloodbath.

Made the mistake of watching Terrifier this week. Blecchhh. 90 minutes that seem like a year. And the sequels are 2 hrs plus? No freakin' thanks.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 08:29 PM (q3u5l)

67 Leatherface has entered the chat.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 19, 2024 08:31 PM (dR6yv)

68 Evening.

Halloween is great! I (try to) watch it every year. Love it.

Halloween II kinda blows.

Never seen Season Of The Witch. Ever. Never ever. Although it sounds simultaneously campy and bleak.

Halloween IV was fun. It felt more like a nod to the original with an actual story. V was like II in that it kinda blows. Haven't seen VI since high school. Haven't seen Halloween Water since it came out in the theater. Never saw Resurrection. Rob Zombie's remake was very meh. Half origin of Michael Meyers, half very compressed remake of the original. Never saw the sequel.

I bought the "new" Halloween on bluray a few years ago and...still haven't watched it. One day, one day. Don't have the two sequels but I also hear kinda bad things about them.

Posted by: Robert at October 19, 2024 08:35 PM (BQlLi)

69 Jerome Weiselberry, the cutest little YouTuber, reviews five more films in the second week of her spooky mini-reviews series.

https://youtu.be/KR1q8fJGSe8

Posted by: Robert at October 19, 2024 08:36 PM (BQlLi)

70 46 What is it that makes a movie look like a TV show instead of a movie? I'm watching "House Of Wax" on Svengoolie and it has this appearance that struck me as looking like a 80s Dr Who show. There is something I can't put my finger on that made me make that association.
Posted by: fd



Both were British productions? (shrugs)

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at October 19, 2024 08:39 PM (pZ64F)

71 Wasn't that enthusiastic about Carpenter's The Thing when it first came out, but came to like it a lot more after revisiting. About the only thing left that seems really off about it to me is that I can't see what most of those guys would be doing at a research station in the first place. In the original you could buy the research people as such, and a lot of the appeal was in watching the whole group try to get through the ultimate bad day at the office.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 08:40 PM (q3u5l)

72 Kills is a mess, but I think there's enough going on to make it interesting.

Ends goes way off in another direction and pisses off fans for, effectively, not being about Myers at all.


Not really a fan of that "last" trilogy.

And yeah, in the end not really about MM. Ultimately, kind of a weird woke "town brought it all on themselves" kinda dealio.

Yes, expectations were subverted which I guess was the point.

It's zero surprise given director/writer David Gordon Green's mindset that his "Exorcist: Believer" was a 100carat sterling pile o' poo.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 19, 2024 08:40 PM (eDfFs)

73 Last night I watched El Fantasma Del Convento, a 1934 Mexican horror movie about a trio of people who stay the night at a monastery that isn't quite what it appears to be.

https://youtu.be/fMDAsy4_EeA

This afternoon I watched the classic Bela Lugosi pic, The White Zombie. This version seems to be a restored version because it looks freakin' great.

https://youtu.be/NV3B2z0HkKA

Posted by: Robert at October 19, 2024 08:40 PM (BQlLi)

74 It's zero surprise given director/writer David Gordon Green's mindset that his "Exorcist: Believer" was a 100carat sterling pile o' poo.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 19, 2024 08:40 PM (eDfFs)

Such a massive failure commercially and critically that they shitcanned him from the sequels.

I haven't seen it myself. I'm not going to. It looks awful.

Posted by: Robert at October 19, 2024 08:42 PM (BQlLi)

75
Leatherface has entered the chat.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory


Wood Eye!

Posted by: Hare lip at October 19, 2024 08:43 PM (63Dwl)

76 I'll make my annual Halloween recommendation of

"The Revenant" (200

excellent horror comedy on par with "Shaun of the Dead" IMHO.

Tough to find now though. You bastards didn't give it enough love.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 19, 2024 08:44 PM (eDfFs)

77 Caught one on Shudder called Oddity -- not bad at all.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 08:44 PM (q3u5l)

78 72
Yes, expectations were subverted which I guess was the point.

It's zero surprise given director/writer David Gordon Green's mindset that his "Exorcist: Believer" was a 100carat sterling pile o' poo.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 19, 2024 08:40 PM (eDfFs)

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Sure, expectations were subverted, but in a very different way than normal. There's no deconstruction. It's about expanding the ideas, hence Corey becoming The Shape. It's the evil taking a new form.

And I don't think the films come to the conclusion that Haddonfield deserved it or brought it on itself. The point seems to be more about lingering on trauma instead of letting it go and moving on. There's a bit of incoherence to it (Laurie's prep being useful at the end of 18, for instance), but overall, across the trilogy, I see this overall emphasis on letting go.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:44 PM (GBKbO)

79 Modern "horror" films have contained too much gratuitous blood n guts n gore for me...

I liked the old Alfred Hitchcock stuff, especially the TV shows. An hour or less, is quite enough.

Carry on!

Posted by: JQ at October 19, 2024 08:44 PM (njWTi)

80 For fun, try Deer Camp '86.

Saw it yesterday on Prime.

Filmed north of my neck of the woods.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 19, 2024 08:44 PM (9ii3t)

81 *sigh*

2008

Posted by: naturalfake at October 19, 2024 08:44 PM (eDfFs)

82 74
Such a massive failure commercially and critically that they shitcanned him from the sequels.

I haven't seen it myself. I'm not going to. It looks awful.
Posted by: Robert at October 19, 2024 08:42 PM (BQlLi)

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I'll defend his Halloween trilogy, but his Exorcist was awful. A complete and total misfire that had no idea what the original meant or how to follow up on it. It's bad.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:45 PM (GBKbO)

83 Good grief, the dipshits are waving their phone lights to a dumb Journey song. Second intermission.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 19, 2024 08:47 PM (9ii3t)

84 I'm skeered.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 19, 2024 08:47 PM (mH6SG)

85 Two minutes until the third period starts


K-Wings 2, Cyclones 1

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 19, 2024 08:49 PM (9ii3t)

86 36 Speaking of scary . . .

Yeesh.
They were trying pretty hard to stop a clock with that picture.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 19, 2024 08:50 PM (3wi/L)

87 OT: Saw Alabama lost. Heh.

Good to see the Fighting Turtles of Maryland beat the Spoiled Children of California, who seem to specialize in agonizingly close losses. Bummer, dudes.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at October 19, 2024 08:52 PM (pZ64F)

88 I think it might be like me really liking Escape from LA. I genuinely enjoy it, but lots of people genuinely hate it. That sort of thing.
Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 08:20 PM (GBKbO)

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It's far sillier than the first, but I think the action is better and Kurt has more presence than the first one.

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 19, 2024 08:52 PM (f1kZG)

89 Saw "Terrifier 3" earlier this week.

Not so much scary as gross.

Between T2 and T3 an interesting little lore regarding AtC (No, not Alex the Chick....maybe)

But, it time to close up shop with T4.

They've clearly run out of stabby-stabby ideas and now AtC (still not Alex the Chick....probably) is going uncharacteristically high tech with guns and bombs and liquid nitrogen and chain saws.

One thing confused me a bit,..what happened to the Pale Girl. Was she supposed to be the demon that possessed Vicky(?)? They seemed to hint at that with the costume she wore at the climax.

Anyway the series isn't great but better than straight up torture porn like "Hostel".

Posted by: naturalfake at October 19, 2024 08:53 PM (eDfFs)

90 I am very picky about horror films. I do not like slasher flicks. I prefer the more subtle, but scary ones. Like The Ring, or the first Conjuring movie.

Hell, even Paranormal Activity had moments where I flinched and said "the fuck?!"

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Balding American at October 19, 2024 08:53 PM (Ad8y9)

91 Ja, this is masterful. You identify the key difficulty of the franchise, the seeming inability at the production end of things to understand what Michael Myers is. This was seen in its most irritating form when someone decided to allow Rob Zombie access to a camera - Herr Zombie (ach, this is a killer name for a Deutsch Punk-Rave band, and Werner shall write it down) elected to profile Meyers aka the Behavioral Science Unit at Quantico, as well as the DSM-5-TR. The whole affair would boil down to an episode of Criminal Minds.

It is as you say - Michael is the embodiment of evil. Carpenter did not list him as "The Shape" in the credits because he thought he had found a loop-hole in the SAG guidelines. After taking a severe stab wound, a jagged eye-gouging courtesy of a coat hanger, six center mass rounds from a 38 special Smith and Wesson Model 15 and a 15-20 foot fall from a balcony, we see ... Michael has kept on trucking. The camera makes its way around a misty depiction of the neighborhood and the music rises, and we see that Myers exists in an otherworldly context which presents a constant peril. Ach, one more post.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at October 19, 2024 08:54 PM (tmPIh)

92 I confess, I have never watched Halloween in its entirety. Jaws is another. And The Exorcist.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Balding American at October 19, 2024 08:55 PM (Ad8y9)

93 Deer Camp '86 is a hoot. I saw it in the theater because one must support the arts in Michigan.

And see "Strange Darling" if you like pulse-pounding horror about being pursued by a psycho.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 09:01 PM (t9gtU)

94 Ugh.

Muh "Horns.

Have turned tranny or some such thing. Thoroughly out-played and out-coached so far.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 19, 2024 09:01 PM (eDfFs)

95 So we are gonna skip over "Joker-Fold the Deuce?"

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:03 PM (X0I7i)

96 I confess, I have never watched Halloween in its entirety. Jaws is another. And The Exorcist.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Balding American at October 19, 2024 08:55 PM (Ad8y9)

1. Tie up Pug.
2. Force him to watch Halloween.
3. Force him to watch Jaws.
4. Bathroom break.
5. Force him to watch The Exorcist.

Posted by: Robert, writing his to-do list at October 19, 2024 09:04 PM (BQlLi)

97 Last night, our movie group celebrated Lillian Gish's birthday by watching her in The Whales of August (1987) along with Bette Davis, Vincent Price, Ann Sothern, and Harry Carey, Jr. Splendid movie about enjoying the passage of time.
I gave it a Halloween flavor with Habeus Corpus (1927), a Laurel and Hardy two-reeler, and to top it all off, we finished up with the last two episodes of Adam-12. We watched all seven seasons! Probably the best cop show on TV, ever!

Posted by: DynamiteDan at October 19, 2024 09:04 PM (wHGZS)

98 Halloween III Season of the Witch was unintentionally hilarious.

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:04 PM (X0I7i)

99 95 So we are gonna skip over "Joker-Fold the Deuce?"
Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:03 PM (X0I7i)

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I don't see many new movies.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:04 PM (GBKbO)

100 Now kids everyone put on your masks and watch the kids heads melt....

"Moo-ha-ha"

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:05 PM (X0I7i)

101 Ah-Oooooooo!

Posted by: Count Floyd at October 19, 2024 09:05 PM (i0F8b)

102
"House of Wax" on Svengoolie on MeTV is pretty good.

Young Charles Bronson is in this as Igor, Vincent Price's deaf-mute assistant. This was before he was Charles Bronson, but credited as Charles Buchinsky.

Lots of other familiar faces as well, including Morticia Addams, as a blonde. Blonde Morticia.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at October 19, 2024 09:06 PM (w6EFb)

103 Pug all of those films are called "cultural touchstones", of course I have to admit that the only reason I eventually watched "Jaws" was when I accidentally saw the Indianapolis speech on the TV movie version....

"We delivered the bomb."

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:07 PM (X0I7i)

104 I am very picky about horror films. I do not like slasher flicks. I prefer the more subtle, but scary ones. Like The Ring, or the first Conjuring movie.
Posted by: Pug Mahon


I think they're different genres entirely. "The Ring" is horror. "Saw" is slasher, or splatter, or something like that.

It's like putting "Beauty and the Beast" and "Fifty First Dates" in the same genre. "Romance" and "Romantic Comedy" aren't the same thing, either.

Posted by: mikeski at October 19, 2024 09:07 PM (DgGvY)

105 There's a famous comment that says the golden age of science fiction is 12. Don't know that I'd set it that low, but yeah. Golden age of horror? Same thing. I'm finding that most of the horror movies I like to go back to fairly often are pre-1985. Forget Art the Clown -- give me Vincent Price in Pit and the Pedulum, or some of the Robert Bloch episodes of Thriller. The newer stuff doesn't begin to do it for me the way the 1963 Haunting did, or the Hitchcock hour, or Burn Witch Burn, or...

You get the idea. My golden age tends to be with flicks from the 60s and 70s (with some later, like Alien and The Thing). YMMV.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 09:07 PM (q3u5l)

106 I never saw the first Phoenix "Joker". Not gonna see "Folie a Deux" just to hate-watch.

Best Joker is still The Animated Series Joker.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 09:07 PM (t9gtU)

107 99 Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:04 PM (GBKbO)

The self-inflicted gunshot wound to Warner's Head on Joker-Fold the Deuce!" is a testament in its own way to the same sorts of hubristic overreach that gave us Heaven's Gate.

I am not suggesting you watch the exercise in self-fellation but a study of the failure cascade might be good fodder for a slow week in your film thread.

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:11 PM (X0I7i)

108 TCM had a Val Lewton mini-marathon. I adore his dreamlike black and white horror movies, although that's not really the right word...maybe "unsettling"? It's like you're in that twilight sleep between waking and dreaming.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 09:12 PM (t9gtU)

109 Husband and I have been watching the lowest rated movies on IMDB. They are so bad, it makes you appreciate the dreck that they are putting out now, almost.

Posted by: Megthered at October 19, 2024 09:13 PM (SOFqe)

110 106 Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 09:07 PM (t9gtU)

The original JP "Joker" was a lot like the Guardians of the Galaxy film an almost accidental success....

There is a theory going around that WB essentially said "let's set 225 million on fire to own the CHUDs" with the sequel.

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:14 PM (X0I7i)

111 For what it is worth, Werner would only disagree in one aspect. Following the distressing murder at the beginning, Michael's parents return home and find him still in his clown costume, knife in hand. They appear to be from a solid middle-class family, likely having returned home from a Halloween Party. Unable to make sense of this, they question Michael and in the process remove his mask. His expression is catatonic, possibly in shock as well, but their treatment and Carpenter's framing of the scene indicate that there has been no indication in the past that Myers has ever behaved in any abnormal manner, nor that he was unable to converse with his family members.

Michael Myers, without question, does evil things. Yet there was no advance warning about this. Werner believes this suggests that it was Halloween itself that has taken possession of the lad, and the ambiguity of the holiday has shaped him into the monster that he is.

Werner does not intend this as an indictment of Halloween as an evening of spooky fun. It merely seems that Carpenter invokes the older, Celtic origins of the day in a most skillful manner. One final post.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at October 19, 2024 09:14 PM (tmPIh)

112 107
I am not suggesting you watch the exercise in self-fellation but a study of the failure cascade might be good fodder for a slow week in your film thread.
Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:11 PM (X0I7i)

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Oh, I'll watch it eventually.

I've never thought it would be good. I don't think Phillips is a particularly good filmmaker, but a swing for thr fences like turning a Joker sequel into a musical fascinates me. I've been equating it to Oliver Stone's Alexander since I first saw the trailer: a giant mess that may be interesting to observe anyway.

I just wasn't driving 30 minutes to the theater to see it. Pretty much the same reason I haven't seen Megalopolis yet either.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:14 PM (GBKbO)

113 Speaking of Val Lawton Criterion just released a two movie set featuring I Walked With A Zombie and The 7th Victim.

I'm thinking of grabbing that along with the Godzilla collection during the flash sale on Tuesday.

Posted by: Robert, writing his to-do list at October 19, 2024 09:15 PM (BQlLi)

114 111 Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at October 19, 2024 09:14 PM (tmPIh)

Werner I have to know...is the darkness in the bear literal or a metaphor in Grizzly Man...and what was on the tape?

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:15 PM (X0I7i)

115 Good essay, man. Thanks.
I bailed on the series watchalong as I couldn't find time and then motivation to watch H2o again. But I still dearly love Halloween 1 and 3. Those were fun to watch again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 19, 2024 09:15 PM (xcxpd)

116 Been a while since I watched some of the Lewtons, but they were delightful (for me, Leopard Man, Cat People, and Seventh Victim in particular). If memory serves, TCM had aired a short documentary about Lewton called Man in the Shadows that was pretty good too, and included a while back with a box set of the Lewton horror films.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 09:17 PM (q3u5l)

117 I haven't seen Megalopolis yet either.
Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:14 PM (GBKbO)

Is it even in theaters anymore?

Posted by: Robert, writing his to-do list at October 19, 2024 09:17 PM (BQlLi)

118 TJM, do you have a face-meltingly large Home Screen? "Megalopolis" benefits from a big screen.

I like to see movies on the big screen but they aren't always worth the price do I see them on bargain Tuesdays.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 09:18 PM (t9gtU)

119 The next Halloween iteration needs at least a cameo, if not a major role, played by William Shatner.

Posted by: davidt at October 19, 2024 09:18 PM (i0F8b)

120 {25} SCTV 3D theater scared me more than Halloween!!!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at October 19, 2024 08:06 PM (c7ptB)


https://youtu.be/fLVZAoQB2fI

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 19, 2024 09:19 PM (O7YUW)

121 112 Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:14 PM (GBKbO)

The pretensions of "Mister Hangover" going all Jean-Claude Le Po from "The Critic" has to be either one of the funniest or insane things I have observed this year....

"You simpletons did not like the first Joker for the RIGHT REASONS therefore let me shame you for making me a few hundred million!"

//Dude whose works "joke" about Tiger Rape in a film with Mike Tyson as a voice of reason....

The Musical thing-look I work in a tactical environment "acting" after a Fashion...if the rotational training unit is not around I break out randomly into Gilbert and Sullivan....

Joking Feenix ain't the Mikado....

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:19 PM (X0I7i)

122 115 Good essay, man. Thanks.
I bailed on the series watchalong as I couldn't find time and then motivation to watch H2o again. But I still dearly love Halloween 1 and 3. Those were fun to watch again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 19, 2024 09:15 PM (xcxpd)

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Thanks!

I saw an interview with Tarantino where he talks about how he tried to get the Wensteins to push for Curtis getting a Best Actress Oscar nomination for H20.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:20 PM (GBKbO)

123 117 Posted by: Robert, writing his to-do list at October 19, 2024 09:17 PM (BQlLi)


No neither is Joker "We Let out a deuce"....

I would have been interested in Megalopolis if it were a sequel to Metropolis....

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:20 PM (X0I7i)

124 An origin story for Michael Meyers choosing that particular mask.

Posted by: davidt at October 19, 2024 09:20 PM (i0F8b)

125 124 Posted by: davidt at October 19, 2024 09:20 PM (i0F8b)

Only if Myers' "real" face is revealed to be Leonard Nimoy's....

"Herr Myers you are zo logi-kal"

//Doctor Loomis

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:22 PM (X0I7i)

126 117 I haven't seen Megalopolis yet either.
Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:14 PM (GBKbO)

Is it even in theaters anymore?
Posted by: Robert, writing his to-do list at October 19, 2024 09:17 PM

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Probably not. I've been excited about the movie since it was announced that he was actually making it. The mixed, at best, reception, put me off from making it an event, and then I watched a clip ("Get yourself back to the cluuuuub.") And decided that...it can wait for streaming.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:22 PM (GBKbO)

127 I'm so over Origins and Lore. Let's keep the mystery.

Looking at YOU, Ridley.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 09:22 PM (t9gtU)

128 30 minute drive to the theater? As of Monday, that'll be the case here too. The theater in town is closing after tomorrow's showings -- I should be more depressed about that than I am (though I hate to see the owners lose their business), but there's been almost zippedy-do-dah that I felt like going out to see for at least the last ten or fifteen years. After tomorrow night, the closest theater will be about 45 minutes away. Lucky for me they don't make 'em like they used to.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 09:23 PM (q3u5l)

129 118 TJM, do you have a face-meltingly large Home Screen? "Megalopolis" benefits from a big screen.

I like to see movies on the big screen but they aren't always worth the price do I see them on bargain Tuesdays.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 09:18 PM

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Pretty big. Upstairs is 70 inches, I think. I'm pretty happy with my setup. Just need to upgrade the sound at some point. There's not enough room for my old receiver and speakers. I need something else.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:24 PM (GBKbO)

130 Werner offers a challenge here - John Carpenter gave Donald Pleasance a choice about the final shot when he looks down to see what should be Michael's remains. Carpenter told him that he could play the moment as if he were surprised that Michael was not there, or as if he was not surprised to see that Michael Myers was absent.

What do you, the readers, believe that Pleasance chose? I have a fairly firm conviction about the matter, and why I feel this to be true, but Werner is so very often wrong. After all, I chose to work with Klaus Kinski for years. Mein Gott, that was not the best of choices. Surely there was a reasonably well-trained Marmoset out there. What was Werner thinking of? Ach. Anyway, I should love to hear others' take on Pleasance's reaction shot.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at October 19, 2024 09:24 PM (tmPIh)

131 I saw Halloween I and II. From what I heard about III it sounded like a pile of shit. I didn't watch any after that.

I didn't think II was as good as I but it did the job of scaring 14 year old me.
I think any horror movie depends on the quality of its villain and agree with TJM that making Michael Myers the brother of Laurie was a mistake. It humanizes him and the whole premise was that he was something other than that.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 19, 2024 09:25 PM (3wi/L)

132 128 30 minute drive to the theater? As of Monday, that'll be the case here too. The theater in town is closing after tomorrow's showings -- I should be more depressed about that than I am (though I hate to see the owners lose their business), but there's been almost zippedy-do-dah that I felt like going out to see for at least the last ten or fifteen years. After tomorrow night, the closest theater will be about 45 minutes away. Lucky for me they don't make 'em like they used to.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 09:23 PM (q3u5l)

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Yeah, I live in the boonies. There's a slightly closer theater, but Dolley didn't buy me a yearly subscription to that one.

Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:25 PM (GBKbO)

133 126 Posted by: TJM's phone at October 19, 2024 09:22 PM (GBKbO)

You have to wonder if it will get fasttracked to streaming like Joker Doo.

Given that the director self-funded to a large degree Megalopolis the motivation to "hit while the irony is hot!" may not be there...

so one of the most neutral summaries says essentially this is a roman epic Harry Turtledoved into "America".....

so I saw this already once kind of it was called "Leonardo DiCaprio and Claire Danes" in Romeon and Juliet....

could it work?

Yeah maybe, of course imagine an actual honest to God modernized fall of the Roman Republic film with decent acting.....

"to dare perchance to dream"

Posted by: sven at October 19, 2024 09:26 PM (X0I7i)

134 One Halloween I bought a hockey mask and got an ax out of the garage to go to grown up party. While sitting in a car at a convenience store I made some folks pretty uncomfortable.

House of Wax was the scariest move I ever saw. I was 9

Posted by: javems at October 19, 2024 09:26 PM (8I4hW)

135 Apropo of nothing but I was, uh...in the little trucker's room taking care of a little bidness and looked down notice a daddy long legs crawling up my leg.

*eep*

*Shakes leg vigorously*

Posted by: Robert, writing his to-do list at October 19, 2024 09:29 PM (BQlLi)

136 ONT up, earlier than usual.

Posted by: gdgm+ at October 19, 2024 09:29 PM (RwGz0)

137 Not a fan. Too many real slashers in California in the 70s...

Posted by: setnaffa at October 19, 2024 09:31 PM (nOVGb)

138 Javems,

Thanks for the reminder. House of Wax is available to purchase streaming for 4.99 at the moment, so...

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 09:32 PM (q3u5l)

139 Thanks for the thread, TJM.

Have a good one, gang.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 19, 2024 09:34 PM (q3u5l)

140 76 I'll make my annual Halloween recommendation of

"The Revenant" (200

excellent horror comedy on par with "Shaun of the Dead" IMHO.

Tough to find now though. You bastards didn't give it enough love.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 19, 2024 08:44 PM (eDfFs)

++++

Agreed! That is a funny, quirky flic. Reminds me of another one: The Hidden 1987. Though that one is more SciFi comedy.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 19, 2024 09:35 PM (klJTj)

141 Not purely Halloweeny, but "Invaders From Mars" has that classic childhood horror of monsters AND nobody believing you AND the authority figures that love and protect you can't be trusted.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Cat Slave at October 19, 2024 09:37 PM (t9gtU)

142 Thus ends The Movie Thread.

Thank you for Movie Thread, TJM.

Posted by: Robert at October 19, 2024 09:40 PM (BQlLi)

143 Werner I have to know...is the darkness in the bear literal or a metaphor in Grizzly Man...and what was on the tape?
Posted by: sven

Ach, I must confess that it was only literal. Werner has the documentarian's curse, such that Nature must be depicted as it is, warts and all. The tape? So many have asked. I must be honest. The poor lad's mother made a mistake and handed me a copy of Song of Joy, the second album of Captain and Tennille, and - you guessed it - the tape had not been re-wound, and Muskrat Love came up. Not wishing to traumatize the sad lady further, I told her that she should not listen to that ever again. Werner is not heartless.

The actual tape? Ja, that one was a horror to which none should be exposed. Not Muskrat Love terrible, but pretty awful nonetheless.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at October 19, 2024 09:41 PM (tmPIh)

144 I watched movies this week, and I liked them better than TJM liked them. I rate myself the winner.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 19, 2024 09:55 PM (CHHv1)

145 In 1983, Newsweek On Campus asked Joe Bob Briggs to select the best exploitation movies of 1982. This list included the greatest movie review I have ever seen.

' Friday the 13th, Part III: Best sequel.
Some communists in California made a movie called "Halloween III" last year, and it had no Donald Pleasance, no Jamie Lee Curtis, and, most insulting, no slasher. I'm sorry, but this is not a sequel; this is a ripoff. Now the people who made "Friday the 13th, Part III" have integrity. They made the exact same movie three times, which is not easy... '

Posted by: JoeBob_fan at October 20, 2024 01:42 AM (fkQua)

146 I read the content and then got called away but, good job, TJM.

Continuity-wise, at least H3 wasn't =meant= to have continuity. It should've been H2 and every subsequent one should've been a completely different spooky story.

F13 destroys its continuity with every film. The first film, we got [spoilers] Jason's mom doing the killing because campers let her son drown. Second movie, he's not dead, he's just living in the forest.

My theory is that each entry was directed by someone who'd never seen an F13 movie before. (That almost holds up.)

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at October 20, 2024 02:34 AM (asXVI)

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