Renaissance People

We Are in Need of Renaissance People

On 10/7, J.J. Sefton put this piece by Victor Davis Hanson above the fold in his Morning Report.

The songwriter, actor, country/western singer, musician, U.S. Army veteran, helicopter pilot, accomplished rugby player and boxer, Rhodes scholar, Pomona College and University of Oxford degreed, and summa cum laude literature graduate, Kris Kristofferson, recently died at 88.
Americans may have known him best for writing smash hits like “Me and Bobby McGee” and “For the Good Times,” his wide-ranging, star-acting roles in A Star is Born and Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, his numerous solo albums, especially with then-spouse and singer Rita Coolidge, and the country group super-quartet he formed with Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, and Willie Nelson.
In other words, Kristofferson was a rare Renaissance man who could do it all in an age of increasingly narrow specialization and expertise.
At certain times throughout history at particular locales, we have seen such singular people from all walks of life.

Multi-talented individuals have certainly had a profound impact through the ages, and have been crucial to the formation of our country.

The American Revolution was a similar embryo of Renaissance men. Thomas Jefferson was perhaps the most famous example of unchecked abstract and pragmatic genius displayed in almost every facet of late 18th– and early 19th-century life—main author of the Declaration of Independence, third U.S. President, founder of the University of Virginia, inventor, agronomist, architect, and diplomat.
But Benjamin Franklin may best approximate the model of the Florentine Renaissance holistic brilliance—journalist, publisher, printer, author, politician, diplomat, inventor, scientist, and philosopher. . .

The history of our own contemporary Renaissance people often suggests that they are not fully appreciated until after their deaths—especially in the post-World War II era.
Why?
We have created a sophisticated modern society that is so compartmentalized by “professionals” and the credentialed that those who excel simultaneously in several disciplines are often castigated for “amateurism,” “spreading themselves too thinly,” “not staying in their lanes,” or not being degreed with the proper prerequisite letters—BA, BS, MA, PhD, MD, JD, or MBA—in the various fields that they master.
But specialization is the enemy of genius, as is the tyranny of credentialism.

I had an eighth or ninth grade history teacher who advocated for amateur specialization as a way to be of service to the community - - developing a hobby such as local geology in which one could become an expert, for example. But I think that is something entirely different from the "tyranny of credentialism". The credentialed would likely reject the expertise of such a local expert.

Do we do enough to value such expertise through local connections today? This may be a way to counter some of the power of the overclass.

Elon Musk

Renaissance people often live controversial lives and receive 360-degree incoming criticism, not surprising given the many fields in which they upstage specialists and question experts—and the sometimes overweening nature of their personalities that feel no reason to place boundaries and lanes on their geniuses and behavior or to temper their exuberances.
The best American example of the current age is the controversial Elon Musk, a truly Renaissance figure who has revolutionized at least half a dozen entire fields.

When summarized as VDH does here, the breadth of Musk's accomplishments are amazing.

Overspecialization

Overspecialization has helped make vulnerable and sometimes doomed complex top-down societies from the Mycenaeans to the Aztecs to the Soviets. A tiny credentialed and often incestuous elite manages the lives of a vast underclass whose daily lives are scripted by top-down master planners—as an autonomous and skeptical middle class disappears.
America is increasingly becoming a bifurcated, two-tiered society of a specialized government-corporate-media-political-credentialed class of degreed overseers and managers who attempt to micromanage an increasingly less well-educated, dependent underclass.

I am wondering right now if Kamala Harris is being micromanaged by degreed overseers and managers. Odd thought?

Renaissance people provide a link to the proverbial people, as they master almost anything they attempt while keeping themselves attuned to the practical effect of their achievement among the people.

The entire piece by VDH is well worth reading and pondering.

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Almost Renaissance People?

Victor Davis Hanson?

What other academic commutes from a center of the Power of the Overclass like Stanford to a community where the underclass is so evident, like Selma, California?

Who teaches not only classics and ancient languages but also the history of war? How many academics know how to pick fruit and fix a tractor?

How many professors dare write a book describing the ways Trump has pointed out where our culture and politics have gone wrong?

Dennis Prager?

I first became acquainted with Dennis Prager when he had a weekday local talk show which was broadcast in Southern California, plus a Sunday night program called "Religion on the Line". Prager is someone who started with a firm ethical base and then expanded his knowledge in a variety of ways.

His motto for the weekday program was that he would talk about "anything but" and I think the list was architecture, poetry and gardening. Then he changed his mind on gardening when someone brought him some tree-ripened apricots.

This was a time before talk radio became politically charged. I was often stunned by the intelligence of the conversations Dennis had with guests. I preferred his radio commentary to his writing, actually. Though he advocated writing as a way to clarify thinking.

Anyway, he had some good ideas about how people could increase the breadth of interests and knowledge in their lives. When he was young, he decided not to waste his life on the then-equivalent of video games. He sluffed school a lot, but not to goof off. He taught himself foreign languages, interviewed as many interesting people as he could in New York City and taught himself to conduct a symphony orchestra (he later conducted at the Hollywood Bowl).

He has visited most of the countries in the world, smuggled Jewish scripture and documents to and from the USSR and developed an institute for Ethical Monotheism.

All this was before Prager went national (doing his part to save the country and Western Civilization) and started Prager U.

I wish I had access to some of his old programs to share with kids.

His articles and videos often provide a glimpse into the depth of his thinking, but his conversations with people seem to me to be even more valuable. I think he has helped me to address the "tyranny of credentialism" successfully in some personal interactions.

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What do you think about the current state of credentialism and overspecialization in our society?

Can you think of any other living Renaissance people or Almost Renaissance People?

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Music

Much more on Kris Kristofferson from Scott Johnson. Including Here Comes That Rainbow Again.

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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Last week's thread, October 5, What would Eric Hoffer, The Longshoreman Philosopher, be thinking about now?

There is a quote in there, from decades ago, in which Hoffer foresaw some of the effects of credentialism in our day, I think. Interesting that he was taken seriously back then by some in the overclass.

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:04 AM

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1 Good morning, KT!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 12, 2024 11:08 AM (2UnvF)

2 2ndish?

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 11:10 AM (zbc7t)

3 > The songwriter, actor, country/western singer, musician, U.S. Army veteran, helicopter pilot, accomplished rugby player and boxer, Rhodes scholar, Pomona College and University of Oxford degreed, and summa cum laude literature graduate, Kris Kristofferson, recently died at 88.
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I missed all that. Had no idea. Amazing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 12, 2024 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

4 Penetrative analysis.

"The View" Co-Host Whoopi Goldberg Asks Trump: "How Dumb Are You?"

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Speaking of dumb, Warner Brothers has "fired" DeNiro from two upcoming gangster movies designed to reignite his career. Also, he was scheduled to appear in Joker 3 but that has mercifully been put out of its misery. DeNiro sin was being a narcissist who blamed the failure of Joker 2 on WB's decision to leave his scenes in Joker 2 on the cutting room floor and generally being a jerk.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:12 AM (L/fGl)

5 I am wondering right now if Kamala Harris is being micromanaged by degreed overseers and managers. Odd thought?

Well, after seeing her off leash, she certainly can't do anything on her own.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 12, 2024 11:12 AM (0eaVi)

6 Certainly the Marxists are dumbing down society

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 11:13 AM (fwDg9)

7 Hi, Duke

Morning, everybody!

Posted by: KT at October 12, 2024 11:13 AM (xekrU)

8 Hey! Get back, Honky Cat!

Elton John Melts Down Over "Asshole" Elon Musk At LGBTQ+ Awards Show

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:14 AM (L/fGl)

9 Morning, everybody!
Posted by: KT at October 12, 2024 11:13 AM (xekrU)

Growing anything lately?

Posted by: OrangeEnt, Leader of the Black Thumb Society at October 12, 2024 11:14 AM (0eaVi)

10 I’m trying to hire someone for my team. My company’s HR keeps sending me duds. Part of the problem is they send me people who are very specialized in one thing. I don’t want that. I need someone who knows that thing, but also knows other things too. The job cover a broad range of things and I want a “renaissance man” for that job in the field.

I’ve told HR this and they can’t get it through their thick skulls.

I’m going to have to find this person myself I guess. Do HR’s job for them.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 11:14 AM (zbc7t)

11 I'll be happy when you people get off Daylight Savings Time.

I can't keep track of what time it is, in the rest of the world, and being on west coast time is very disconcerting. I hate thinking it's the same time here as it is in Californica.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 11:15 AM (DV/ol)

12 Renaissance Men only thrive in a relatively free and open society, and one that isn’t so established that it is overwhelmed by the credentialists. That’s why Jefferson and Franklin thrived in early America, not London.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2024 11:15 AM (S6gqv)

13 Eromero: Previous thread, your question at comment #374. I've provided an explanation, at comment #389 near the end.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 11:15 AM (O7YUW)

14 Wow!

Excellent post.

Which I read.

I was willowed on the other thread. But the line about doomed top down societies makes this relevant here.

Damn, smalldeadanimals had a link to a Bill Ackman post on X where he says he's voting for Trump and lists 33!!! Reasons why....

https://tinyurl.com/yc6xnedp
Posted by: Stateless at October 12, 2024 11:04 AM (jvJvP)

Posted by: Stateless at October 12, 2024 11:15 AM (jvJvP)

15 Well, he can't afford to waste any time.

Clint Eastwood, 94, Finds Love Again Three Months After His Longtime Girlfriend Dies Of A Heart Attack

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:16 AM (L/fGl)

16 Speaking of dumb, Warner Brothers has "fired" DeNiro from two upcoming gangster movies designed to reignite his career. Also, he was scheduled to appear in Joker 3 but that has mercifully been put out of its misery. DeNiro sin was being a narcissist who blamed the failure of Joker 2 on WB's decision to leave his scenes in Joker 2 on the cutting room floor and generally being a jerk.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:12 AM (L/fGl)

Having only seen the reviews, I'm of the belief Todd Phillips decided to kill the thing himself. He was being forced to make it, then apparently Joaquin decided he knew what was best for his character, and at some point Phillips just said "f it," and let the thing fall without even trying to make it work.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 11:18 AM (DV/ol)

17 I've known a couple of renaissance men. One of them was my dad.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 12, 2024 11:19 AM (g8Ew8)

18 Scotland Criminalizes Prayer at Home If Homes Are in Abortion "Safe Access Zones"

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Where's Braveheart now that we need him?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:20 AM (L/fGl)

19 Willowed
329 >My browser and also Edge won't let me access the Powerline website. Some sort of security idiocy. Any ideas?
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Firefox

Posted by: Don Black at October 12, 2024 10:31 AM
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That worked but I did discover it was the Avast antivirus blocking. Thank you everybody that had suggestions. I'm glad I got to see them as some where spectacular.

Posted by: Ciampino - A Star Is Born was bad - but then Babs at October 12, 2024 11:20 AM (qfLjt)

20 Well, I'm a remote claimant to the throne of Austria-Hungary, so when it's restored, I'll bring the horde into my chambers.

JFK said this at a dinner for Nobel laureates: I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 12, 2024 11:20 AM (YIxO9)

21 Joker 3 LOL. I’ve seen TV series flame out with awful episodes (Happy days, etc) but Joker #2 may be the most spectacularly bad flameout for a movie franchise seen yet.

Showgirls killed the careers of almost everyone involved with it, on screen or off. Same thing needs to happen for Joker 2.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2024 11:21 AM (S6gqv)

22 I am wondering right now if Kamala Harris is being micromanaged by degreed overseers and managers. Odd thought?
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Well, after seeing her off leash, she certainly can't do anything on her own.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 12, 2024 11:12 AM (0eaVi)

You gotta watch Tucker's interview with Harmeet Dhillon. She lays out the whole timeline. It's an amazing story, how they turned this nothing into what she is today.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 11:21 AM (bRK5j)

23 @4/Anonosaurus Wrecks: DeNiro should know that in Hollywood, even if you've been slighted, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. Studio executives are petty, spiteful, and vengeful.

I guess he gets to enjoy learning this lesson the hard way.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 11:22 AM (O7YUW)

24 I'd include Ted Williams in your list of Renaissance men -- greatest hitter, a Marine fighter pilot, and a world-class fisherman -- so the common thread is extraordinary hand-eye coordination.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 12, 2024 11:22 AM (YIxO9)

25 Well I woke up Sunday morning with no way to hold my head that didn't hurt
And the beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad, so I had one more for dessert
Then I fumbled through my closet for my clothes and found my cleanest dirty shirt
Then I shaved my face and combed my hair and stumbled down the stairs to meet the day...

Dude! Represent!!

RIP Kristofferson.

Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:23 AM (uCfKO)

26 Well, he can't afford to waste any time.

Clint Eastwood, 94, Finds Love Again Three Months After His Longtime Girlfriend Dies Of A Heart Attack
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:16 AM (L/fGl)

If there's anyone that shows a don't-give-a-shit-what-you-think character, it's Clint.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 12, 2024 11:23 AM (g8Ew8)

27 “20 Well, I'm a remote claimant to the throne of Austria-Hungary, so when it's restored, I'll bring the horde into my chambers.”

You’ll put the Serbians back in their place!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2024 11:23 AM (S6gqv)

28 I guess he gets to enjoy learning this lesson the hard way.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 11:22 AM (O7YUW)

I know I will!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 12, 2024 11:24 AM (0eaVi)

29 Great topic KT!

Dennis Prager has been one of my favorite people since I first started listening to him on the radio in Southern California in the late 80s. His best show which he hasn’t done in ages was Religion on the Line… usually with a priest, rabbi and Protestant minister. Fascinating show, especially for me the son of a Protestant preacher!

BTW…. The problem of credentialism (or one of the problems I should say) is that college degrees simply do not any longer confer very much useful knowledge. I have a PhD in a STEM field and I got that degree while only taking one economics course and one history course! Do I’m “Dr VanPelt” but without knowledge of history or economics I could be stunningly ignorant. Turns out I read widely on my own….. but I know lots of PhDs that are almost functionally illiterate!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 11:24 AM (i5Vkf)

30 Clint Eastwood, 94, Finds Love Again Three Months After His Longtime Girlfriend Dies Of A Heart Attack
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:16 AM (L/fGl)

Sure. He "finds" "love" again.

He's 94, they're lined up, hoping to be the one at the end. Like Anna Nichole Smith "found love" with her bazillionaire husband. His kids apparently were not romantics.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 11:25 AM (bRK5j)

31 Great points to ponder, K.T.! Thanks for the link to the article, the one on Townhall Media wasn't working for some reason.

Posted by: SPinRH_F-16 at October 12, 2024 11:26 AM (5CEo8)

32 There is a term for someone like Obama who just seems to keep popping up and irritating folks and refuses to shut up.

A Re-nuisance Man

Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:26 AM (uCfKO)

33 @19/Ciampino: I'm glad you got it resolved!

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 11:26 AM (O7YUW)

34 I'd include Ted Williams in your list of Renaissance men -- greatest hitter, a Marine fighter pilot, and a world-class fisherman -- so the common thread is extraordinary hand-eye coordination.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 12, 2024 11:22 AM (YIxO9)
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I think the term should be more expansive and included people who simply have a wide experience of life. My grandfathers both came from humble origins, served in wartime, raised families and built careers in new and different ways.

My Dad's dad was a machinist, carpenter and wood carver as well as managing personnel for Chevrolet. During the war he guarded German PoWs. My other grandfather worked in the stables of New York, became a navigator on the transatlantic route and ended up as an advertising executive.

Today people are raised to work a single track - high school to the right college, a narrow degree, maybe more post-grad work and then upper-class life in a bubble. They can't work with their hands, don't know how food stamps work or what life is like on the bottom, don't know military people or really much of anything outside their narrow world.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 12, 2024 11:28 AM (llXky)

35 @34 -- exactly, I think the experiences of war and the commensurate leveling of society provided great opportunities for young men. Kudos to your grandpops!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 12, 2024 11:30 AM (YIxO9)

36 I sadly religiously listed to Prager for over a decade. Then my truck radio went out ( a week after Rush died) and while occasionally listen to his after hours ( his show ran on a loop 24 hours) just got away from radio.
I still read his articles

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 11:30 AM (fwDg9)

37 I think this narrowness is why our entertainment sucks. These people are not well-read, haven't lived life, have nothing outside the classroom curriculum and social media to go off of.

I have consciously tried to do different things, was willing to work different jobs, purposefully remained in the ranks rather than obtaining an officer's commission and I think my writing has benefitted from that. My kids also have a greater understanding of "the little people" and treat them with respect, unlike their peers.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 12, 2024 11:31 AM (llXky)

38 I still read his articles
Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 11:30 AM (fwDg9)

And we thought it was for us!!

Posted by: Prager's Pinups at October 12, 2024 11:32 AM (0eaVi)

39 Our specialists/elites are not judged by their outcomes, just their credentials. So as you would expect this means they have plenty of credentials and few positive outcomes.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 12, 2024 11:32 AM (oZhjI)

40 Abortion "Safe Access Zones"

What does that even mean?

Posted by: Ciampino - gobbledygook at October 12, 2024 11:33 AM (qfLjt)

41 There is a term for someone like Obama who just seems to keep popping up and irritating folks and refuses to shut up.

A Re-nuisance Man
Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:26 AM

*stands up and claps*

Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 12, 2024 11:34 AM (3lQDs)

42 I think it is a combination of the ability to wonder, the ability to find out, the ability to "lateralize" ideas, and the bravery to ignore all claims that there are specific lanes one needs to adhere to.

I have mentioned that the grease zirk and the ball point pen are essentially the same mechanism, but so are the roll-on antiperspirant applicator and the Codd-neck bottle.
One you start seeing things like that, you can start wondering what else can be done.

personally I think you have to have so much stuffed into your brain that the ideas start leaking into each other and start cross linking randomly.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 12, 2024 11:34 AM (D7oie)

43 >Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.
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well, today is football
tomorrow I'll watch football
Monday night I'm going with football

yes yes I know- nobody likes football or sports because yada yada yada

Football Is LIfe 🏈

Posted by: Don Black at October 12, 2024 11:34 AM (/7KEl)

44 I wouldn't be surprised if HR management students are supplanting education students at the bottom in the ranks of college graduates.

Posted by: Chas C-Q at October 12, 2024 11:35 AM (U8S9W)

45 BTW…. I enlisted in the army during college and the experience of being a private soldier was just as valuable as my PhD studies…. Maybe more valuable. Grit, teamwork, don’t give up, dealing with all kinds of personalities….. great lessons all. Even though at the time I hated every second… I’m the kind of personality who HATES being told what to do and in the army this is a constant occurrence to say the least….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 11:35 AM (i5Vkf)

46 That said, I wish Elon the best
he's made some enemies

Posted by: Don Black at October 12, 2024 11:35 AM (/7KEl)

47 And you'll notice pretty much the only solution our elites have for any problem is "do the same thing but spend more money" they have no interest in solving problems because if they were to they'd be out of a sweet gubmint job

Posted by: 18-1 at October 12, 2024 11:35 AM (oZhjI)

48 Obama may be a witless mediocrity but you have to give him credit for timing. If he had peaked in the 50's he would have been pushing a broom somewhere. Coming of age in the reign of DEI and AWFLs opened all kinds of doors for him that would have been slammed shut based on his merit alone.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 11:36 AM (JkO4W)

49 Businessman. Artist. Political mediator. Chemical purity inspector.

I think I qualify as a Renaissance Man.

Posted by: Hunter B. at October 12, 2024 11:36 AM (a3Q+t)

50 >There is a term for someone like Obama who just seems to keep popping up and irritating folks and refuses to shut up.
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Dickhead

Posted by: Don Black at October 12, 2024 11:36 AM (/7KEl)

51 LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 11:24 AM

Great comment.

Posted by: KT at October 12, 2024 11:37 AM (xekrU)

52 Way back when I was in school, they taught that specialization was a step on the way to civilization and prosperity. If Ogg is a better arrowhead chipper, Ugg the better shift maker, and Igg the better featherer, together they can make more better arrows than each individually.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:37 AM (L/fGl)

53 13 Eromero: Previous thread, your question at comment #374. I've provided an explanation, at comment #389 near the end.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 11:15 AM (O7YUW)
You, my friend, are a Renaissance Man!

Posted by: Eromero at October 12, 2024 11:38 AM (o2ZRX)

54 Football Is LIfe 🏈
Posted by: Don Black at October 12, 2024 11:34 AM (/7KEl)

Today: Texas v OU, Penn State v USC, Ohio State v Oregon

Tomorrow: Lions v Cowboys

Great couch time!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 11:38 AM (i5Vkf)

55 Clint Eastwood, 94, Finds Love Again - a limerick

Before Clint reaches those ol' Cloudy Gates
He'll go on some apple pandowdy dates
Whether good or bad or ugly
He'll navigate them smugly
With the insouciance of a young Rowdy Yates!

Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:39 AM (uCfKO)

56 18-1 at October 12, 2024 11:32 AM

Credentials vs. outcomes, yes. But now, there is also judgment by intentions, somehow.

Posted by: KT at October 12, 2024 11:39 AM (xekrU)

57 I think the husband of our church organist who I never met because he died long before I came to the church, and who would have been about 102 now, if alive, was a Renaissance man. He was a fighter Pilot in WWII, he could fix practically anything mechanical, and taught math and shop for high schoolers. He also taught his daughter and son both how to change oil in cars and change a tire. He was also an accomplished singer and could play the piano pretty well, and made wooden models. He made an elaborate little spiral staircase thing for the top of the wedding cake he and his future wife had for their reception. From what I hear he was also a devoted Christian who taught Sunday school. I am sorry I never met him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 11:40 AM (MQJVv)

58 I've always wanted to use 'insouciance' in a limerick

Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:40 AM (uCfKO)

59 Abortion "Safe Access Zones"

What does that even mean?

Posted by: Ciampino - gobbledygook at October 12, 2024 11:33 AM (qfLjt)

Verbal diarrhea for liberal consumption. They don't know .either, but it sounds good and official.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 12, 2024 11:40 AM (dR6yv)

60 My grandfather raised animals, grew crops, built houses, and could rebuild his tractor. My father can do pretty much the same. I went the "advanced degree" route, and I know enough to call someone to fix things because I'll just f- it up.

Posted by: PabloD at October 12, 2024 11:41 AM (z5sZF)

61 Great Eastwood limerick muldoon! What does pandowdy mean? You must’ve been saving that word for awhile….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 11:41 AM (i5Vkf)

62
Renaissance man? That's me. I can eat a lot. And spit real good. And I'm a champion nap taker.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 11:42 AM (BkEzK)

63 When I think of people in today's society with a ton of skills, I'd probably list farmers at the top of the list.

Could be wrong....

Posted by: Stateless at October 12, 2024 11:43 AM (jvJvP)

64 That said, I wish Elon the best
he's made some enemies
Posted by: Don Black

The Lilliputians are trying to bind him.

From Cliff Notes . . .

The Lilliputians - CliffsNotes
WEBThe Lilliputians are six-inch-tall men who represent the corrupt and treacherous English politicians of Swift's time.

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I guess there's nothing new under the sun

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:43 AM (L/fGl)

65 What does pandowdy mean?

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It's a deep dish apple cobbler or pie with a wholesome country-style connotation.

While dowdy alone means 'frumpy'

Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:44 AM (uCfKO)

66 Obama may be a witless mediocrity but you have to give him credit for timing. If he had peaked in the 50's he would have been pushing a broom somewhere. Coming of age in the reign of DEI and AWFLs opened all kinds of doors for him that would have been slammed shut based on his merit alone.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 11:36 AM (JkO4W)

I'm of the belief the Obamas and Cummalas, and even Bill Clinton, these people rise to the top, not because they're special or do great things, but because there are several of these types being cultivated at any given time.

Whether this one or that one rises, it doesn't really matter, one of them will poke its head up first, and when it does, it gets promoted as the thing.

Point being, they have backers, and the backers need someone to be the face of the movement. This one or that one will do. The movement is all that matters, not the person serving as the face of it.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 11:45 AM (T+EiR)

67 Maybe people who grew up in the depression were generally more multi talented because they had to be. Our organist can (or did) play the organ and piano and was a a skilled singer, she was a whiz of a cook and baker, made clothes for her kids and also was a medical transcriptionist.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 11:45 AM (MQJVv)

68 Today people are raised to work a single track - high school to the right college, a narrow degree, maybe more post-grad work and then upper-class life in a bubble. They can't work with their hands, don't know how food stamps work or what life is like on the bottom, don't know military people or really much of anything outside their narrow world.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 12, 2024 11:28 AM (llXky)

This is the way of all socialist/communist societies.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 12, 2024 11:46 AM (g8Ew8)

69 On this topic it’s almost obligatory that we mention William F Buckley’s famous comment: I’d rather be governed by 50 people chosen randomly out of the Boston phone book than by the Harvard faculty

I probably slightly botched his quote but the sentiment is there….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 11:46 AM (ANuwa)

70 > I am wondering right now if Kamala Harris is being micromanaged by degreed overseers and managers. Odd thought?
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Both *biden and Harris are being "managed." Maybe by the same "team." There's been a lot of speculation about said team; it's the Obama clan, it's deep state operatives, it's billionaire bro's, etc.

It could also be a hodge podge collection of flunkies like you said.

For one thing, they both were poorly managed in the public sphere but did considerable damage with their policies... which is probably what the actual people behind the scenes are more concerned about.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 12, 2024 11:46 AM (Q4IgG)

71 I have consciously tried to do different things, was willing to work different jobs, purposefully remained in the ranks rather than obtaining an officer's commission and I think my writing has benefitted from that.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

My wife (career Special Ed teacher and administrator) insists it all went to hell after cursive was no longer taught.

Entails both large and small motor skills, expansive thinking, and building intelligent thoughts before committing them to paper.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 12, 2024 11:46 AM (WXNFJ)

72 not to be confused with doughty

pronounced nearly. the same as dowdy, it means stalwart or brave.

Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:47 AM (uCfKO)

73 I looked it up.

Apple pan dowdy (or pandowdy) is a traditional American dish which saw its heyday in the 1800s and early 1900s. A combination pie and pudding,

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And if I may add, sounds yummy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 11:47 AM (L/fGl)

74 Renaissance man is born of the Renaissance spirit of the age.

In the postmodern age we get postmodern transman

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 11:47 AM (J5RCE)

75 yes yes I know- nobody likes football or sports because yada yada yada

Football Is LIfe 🏈
Posted by: Don Black at October 12, 2024 11:34 AM (/7KEl)

Except it isn't. Nobody should be shamed for liking something, hell, I've wasted many hours watching sportsball.

But you're either at that point where you realize it's just that, a time waster, or you aren't. Enjoy it for now.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 11:48 AM (T+EiR)

76 I bemoan the loss of Latin in school.

Posted by: Ciampino - the basis of language at October 12, 2024 11:49 AM (qfLjt)

77 IMO a lot of Renaissance men are people who take opportunities to try their hands and minds at something that doesn't fit their "class". And read, read, read!

The TL;DR peeps will never understand.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 12, 2024 11:49 AM (3lQDs)

78 I’m going to have to find this person myself I guess. Do HR’s job for them.
Posted by: Settled Science

HR's job is not to find people who can do a good job.
HR's job is to manage people as the Board dictates, which these days means DEIzing them.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 11:51 AM (0JWOm)

79 A Re-nuisance Man
Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:26 AM

LMAO

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 11:52 AM (0JWOm)

80 Isn’t Leonardo DaVinci considered kind of a prototype of the ideal renaissance man? And yet I think he pretty much spent all his time with painting and sculpture? Maybe a few inventions? I don’t want to dis Leonardo….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 11:52 AM (ANuwa)

81 yes yes I know- nobody likes football or sports because yada yada yada

Football Is LIfe 🏈

Posted by: Don Black at October 12, 2024 11:34 AM (/7KEl)

Except it isn't. Nobody should be shamed for liking something, hell, I've wasted many hours watching sportsball.

But you're either at that point where you realize it's just that, a time waster, or you aren't. Enjoy it for now.

Posted by: BurtTC

Not sure what else I should do with my Saturday than enjoy a shared experience outdoors with 70,000 other fans.

Clean my gutters?

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at October 12, 2024 11:54 AM (hCzfy)

82 IMO a lot of Renaissance men are people who take opportunities to try their hands and minds at something that doesn't fit their "class". And read, read, read!

The TL;DR peeps will never understand.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 12, 2024 11:49 AM (3lQDs)

Ah yes. Books with a bit of YouTube. It keeps the inquiring mind busy.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 12, 2024 11:54 AM (g8Ew8)

83 Prager lost me when he trashed Bob Grant. Just another suck-up.

Posted by: lonetown at October 12, 2024 11:55 AM (3DQGy)

84 Posted by: Ciampino - the basis of language at October 12, 2024 11:49 AM (qfLjt)

My son took Latin in high school. The teacher one of his favorite teachers, not only because he enjoyed Latin, of course, but because after class he would talk to my son about music which they both enjoyed. I think he was also a very nice man.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 11:56 AM (MQJVv)

85 Ok, here is my solution to the lack of Renaissance men - get back to teaching kids tte way tgey were taught back then.

Teach them to think, teach them to do, teach them mental discipline.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 11:56 AM (0JWOm)

86 HR's job is not to find people who can do a good job.
HR's job is to manage people as the Board dictates, which these days means DEIzing them.
Posted by: vmom stabby

We have a whole recruiting team and their job is to, you know, recruit. They’re just not very good at it. Relatively speaking out HR and company in general is non-woke. We have a couple of pink hairs but they do their job and don’t cause trouble.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 11:57 AM (zbc7t)

87 A combination pie and pudding,

You got sleepy Joe's attention.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 12, 2024 11:58 AM (xzb+D)

88 Saw a clip of some college students claiming they absolutely work harder than Elon Musk.
She was going on and on and basically her whole day was ... going to class.
Oh, your 40-hour credit load is the same as running 4 major, ground-breaking companies?

That's why the "tax the rich" always has so much traction among the more stupider among us: They are so ignorant and stupid as to what real, actual hard work is. But are constantly told they are working hard.

You know what it takes to pull in the $500,000 salary?
It ain't no fucking college degree. 1000% guarantee that.
It's 100 hour work weeks for years.
That's what the CEO of that company you're complaining is over-paid did to get there.
And there's no "system" since the founding until the end of this world that will or can change that.
No matter how many degrees hang on the wall of the college professor that tells you otherwise.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 12, 2024 11:59 AM (t2S2s)

89
Today people are raised to work a single track - high school to the right college, a narrow degree, maybe more post-grad work and then upper-class life in a bubble.

_________

Our elites are even worse. Feeder school to Ivy or Ivy equivalent, summer job as an intern in some politician's office, law school, staffer, then get elected.

None has ever done manual labor, worked on a farm, been on a shop floor or walked a production line. None has any clue how things get made, where they come from or how they get there. They think they're tech experts because they order on Grubhub. No wonder there are so many stupid laws and policies introduced.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 11:59 AM (BkEzK)

90 Army v. UAB at noon on CBS Sports network

Undefeated Army that is!

Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 11:59 AM (uCfKO)

91 “Spend more money” has worked pretty well for decades. Really well, from their perspective.

Except of course for one notable - monetary inflation. Funny, that. destroying the purchasing power of the unit of account, which after various jiggery-pokery bait and switch operations and reneged bonds and contract law, is now wholly undefined. What could go wrong?

Posted by: Common Tater at October 12, 2024 11:59 AM (F0yZs)

92 You know what it takes to pull in the $500,000 salary?
It ain't no fucking college degree. 1000% guarantee that.
It's 100 hour work weeks for years.
That's what the CEO of that company you're complaining is over-paid did to get there

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Depends if the CEO is the founder of the company or not. If yes, then yeah probably worked hard to build the company. If no, then most likely just climbed the corporate ladder by playing politics well. And almost guaranteed he/she has a degree.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:01 PM (zbc7t)

93
I took three years of Latin in HS. That explains the elegance of my writing.

*buffs fingernails on lapel*
*examines them with self-satisfied air*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:02 PM (BkEzK)

94 There's a family whose philosophy I've been able to witness. They seem to believe that smart people go to college and talk for a living and dumb people are the ones who know how to work with their hands. A smart person avoids learning how to do stuff because that kind of thing is what you call dumb people to take care of for you.

Posted by: Emmie at October 12, 2024 12:03 PM (Sf2cq)

95 It's 100 hour work weeks for years.
That's what the CEO of that company you're complaining is over-paid did to get there.
And there's no "system" since the founding until the end of this world that will or can change that.
No matter how many degrees hang on the wall of the college professor that tells you otherwise.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 12, 2024 11:59 AM (t2S2s)

I absolutely agree with you. However… in today’s world there are sadly plenty of CEOs that are way over-paid and only there because they’re sufficiently woke etc….. Boeing is a great example of a series of CEOs who got huge paychecks while the company ran into the ground….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 12:03 PM (ANuwa)

96 I think just as we can only guess who.pulks Sundowner's puppet strings , Kamaunist will have tthe same ones

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 12:03 PM (fwDg9)

97 There is a chance there could be two Army-Navy football games this year, on back-to-back weekends.

Posted by: muldoon at October 12, 2024 12:03 PM (uCfKO)

98 I also agree that being able to write cursive can translate to other skills.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 12, 2024 12:03 PM (MQJVv)

99 Settled Science, if you really want your HR to find you a good candidate, maybe you can try sending them your requirements in a different way?

Currently most HR departments rely on kinda dumb recruitment software that rely on keywords and stuff. But maybe if you have a sit down with someone from recruitment you can figure out a way to get better candidates.

Part of it will involve identifying those "other skills" that are important but the recruiter misses, and maybe restating it in an equivalent way.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 12:04 PM (0JWOm)

100 The problem is people’s value placed on “hard work”. Does a guy digging ditches work hard? Absolutely. Does he work harder than a neurosurgeon? Yes. By far.

But the value of the hard work of the ditch digger is worth less than the value of the work of the nitro surgeon. And that’s what most people fail to comprehend. Someone’s compensation is based on the value they provide not on how hard they work.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:05 PM (zbc7t)

101
Every lawyer I've known has had his law school diploma framed on the wall of his office. But no scientist I've known has ever done the same with his PhD diploma.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:05 PM (BkEzK)

102 Politics · Trending
Touchdown Timmy
8,357 posts

Posted by: Don Black at October 12, 2024 12:06 PM (/7KEl)

103 93
I took three years of Latin in HS. That explains the elegance of my writing.

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*chews on hangnail enviously*

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 12:07 PM (J5RCE)

104 Specialization/credentialism is the biggest problem but Mike Rowe also highlights another part of the problem. My dad was a mechanic for Detroit Edison (worked at Enrico Fermi II) but he also built our garage, did all the painting, repairs etc around the house, went hunting, grew roses--but none of that would have mattered in today's society. It can even be seen in VDH and the different attitudes toward his scholarship and his farming.

Posted by: Lirio100 at October 12, 2024 12:07 PM (izAv/)

105 Vmom: you’re absolutely right. And I did just that this week. Had a chat with the lead recruiter and told him this is what I need. This is what your ads on Indeed need to say, etc. No boiler plate nonsense that most job ads are these days.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:08 PM (zbc7t)

106 Hadrian - I found my law degree in a box when I was cleaning out my garage. My family had framed it for me. I think I put it up in one office in over 20 years.

Posted by: PabloD at October 12, 2024 12:08 PM (WLkJ+)

107 Teach them to think, teach them to do, teach them mental discipline.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 11:56 AM (0JWOm)

Well, whadya know. Neil deGrasse Tyson just happens to be offering a Masterclass on how to think. I saw the ad on YouTube.

Posted by: Emmie at October 12, 2024 12:09 PM (Sf2cq)

108 But the value of the hard work of the ditch digger is worth less than the value of the work of the nitro surgeon. And that’s what most people fail to comprehend. Someone’s compensation is based on the value they provide not on how hard they work.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:05 PM (zbc7t)

But what if the ditch digger is digging Leonardo DaVinci's ditch, but the neurosurgeon is fixing Hitler's brain?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:10 PM (0lDib)

109 Yeah if I see someone hang their diploma in their office I cringe a little. OK dude you got the same piece of paper everyone else in the building has. It’s not the flex you think it is.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:10 PM (zbc7t)

110
The ideal job requirement description: "2024 graduate with 5-7 years experience"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:11 PM (BkEzK)

111 Credentialism

A degree in a hard science and/or engineering is one thing, degree in general studies whatever is another name for four more years of high school. Either way, degree in electrical engineering or being journeyman electrician is not going to make you into nother Tesla.

Where the Credentialism really kicks off is specialized training beyond the degree. Those that call it ticket punching are more realistic than those who really believe some mystic genius can be conveyed this way. Military really excels at this ticket punching. From inciteful reading lists (Who Moved My Cheese?!) to classroom training you too can become a military genius and great general.

True genius is born, not made. The midwit mafia who always seem to take over any institution truly believe that running their designated heirs through the ticket punch exercise will make then super smart even if all they retain is 5%. The important thing is they gots the credentials.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 12, 2024 12:11 PM (/lPRQ)

112 Presdent Obama's picture shoulds be their too !!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro,Vt at October 12, 2024 12:12 PM (/1UO6)

113
Actually I do have my PhD diploma on the wall of the Command Center at Schloss Hadrian. It reminds me i used to be someone.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:12 PM (BkEzK)

114 Oh noes guys! Christian Nationalism has taken over. Kamala is creating a faith advisory board and will campaign at churches.

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She ought to sign Gretchen Whitmer up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 12:13 PM (L/fGl)

115 Renaissance Men only thrive in a relatively free and open society, and one that isn’t so established that it is overwhelmed by the credentialists. That’s why Jefferson and Franklin thrived in early America, not London.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2022

Not really familiar with British history are you? I mean ,the country which is inventing the modern world in this era is the one with London as its capital.

Also, cries of freedom and liberty from slave owners!

You are kinda tarded.

Posted by: julian the apostate at October 12, 2024 12:14 PM (lxNQp)

116 Every lawyer I've known has had his law school diploma framed on the wall of his office. But no scientist I've known has ever done the same with his PhD diploma.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:05 PM (BkEzK)

Sorta like encountering PhDs in fields like education who insist you call them doctor, but MDs and various scientists in various fields who say "Call me Bill*," when you meet them.

*Assuming their name is Bill, that's nice, but if it's Chet or Cassandra, that would be weird.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:14 PM (0lDib)

117 The ideal job requirement description: "2024 graduate with 5-7 years experience"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:11 PM (BkEzK)

While that’s a meme these days it is kind of legit. You’re expected to have some experience coming out of college. Internships, summer jobs, college work study programs, etc.

Obviously not 7 years worth. But 1-2 years? That’s reasonable.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:14 PM (zbc7t)

118
Kamala is creating a faith advisory board and will campaign at churches.

_________

Well, black churches are de facto campaign offices.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:14 PM (BkEzK)

119 I took three years of Latin in HS. That explains the elegance of my writing.

I'm renewing my commitment to lurking.

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 12, 2024 12:15 PM (FfSAJ)

120 Settled science, good luck in your search - I hope you find a good candidate.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 12:19 PM (0JWOm)

121
Now I have to finish writing a letter for Her Majesty. I write them, she picks them to pieces.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:20 PM (BkEzK)

122 Thank you vmom.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:20 PM (zbc7t)

123 I am able to digest a large variety of car parts for breakfast. Does that count?

Posted by: fd at October 12, 2024 12:20 PM (vFG9F)

124 And now, from the world of opera . . .

Germany: Explicit lesbian scenes at the opera leave 18 audience members needing medical aid

Graphic scenes from provocative show “Sancta” trigger severe nausea among attendees in Stuttgart
Eighteen audience members at Stuttgart’s state opera required medical attention after watching a highly controversial performance of Sancta, a piece involving graphic nudity, unsimulated sexual acts, and the use of blood, both real and fake. The unsettling incidents occurred over two showings this past weekend, prompting medical professionals to intervene in three cases.
. . . .
In an interview, Holzinger explained her unorthodox approach to dance: “Good technique in dance to me is not just someone who can do a perfect tendu, but also someone who can urinate on cue."

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Next, Disney Does Opera.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 12, 2024 12:22 PM (L/fGl)

125 I took three years of Latin in HS. That explains the elegance of my writing.

*buffs fingernails on lapel*
*examines them with self-satisfied air*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:02 PM (BkEzK)

Aren't you supposed to blow on them? I'm pretty sure you also need to blow on them.

That's the only way you can have true elegance!

Posted by: Run with it! at October 12, 2024 12:22 PM (89Sog)

126 The ideal job requirement description: "2024 graduate with 5-7 years experience"

Education is no longer a usable proxy for "can do work", especially if the applicant isn't a white straight male.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 12, 2024 12:22 PM (QZThv)

127 I mean ,the country which is inventing the modern world in this era is the one with London as its capital.

Posted by: julian the apostate at October 12, 2024 12:14 PM (lxNQp)

England invented this world?

And you're proud of that?

Why does the phrase "chickens come home to roost" come to mind.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:23 PM (0lDib)

128 65 What does pandowdy mean?

"It is a culinary accompaniment to Shoo Fly Pie, and historically has been shown to cause one's eyes to light up and one's stomach to utter a folksy greeting."

Posted by: The Encyclopedia of American Folk Desserts, Vol. 1, p. 32 at October 12, 2024 12:24 PM (PiwSw)

129 I like Dennis Prager but he believes the USA should be the world's policeman. He says we should have stayed in Afghanistan forever if that's what it takes. He compares it to us staying in Germany and Japan forever which he sees as a good thing.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 12, 2024 12:26 PM (63Dwl)

130 I'm just a nobody salesman for a small company now, but once upon a time I was an executive in a Fortune 500 company. I once got a message through LinkedIn from our internal recruiters inviting me to apply for a position two levels below me. I found it both amusing and exasperating.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 12, 2024 12:26 PM (2UnvF)

131 @29/LinusVanPelt: "... but I know lots of PhDs that are almost functionally illiterate!"

Knowledge that is a mile deep, and an inch wide. It's common with PhDs.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 12:26 PM (O7YUW)

132 124 And now, from the world of opera . . .

Germany: Explicit lesbian scenes at the opera leave 18 audience members needing medical aid

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That's the opera that features "nuns" discovering lesbian sex. I have no doubt it's demonic and some of the audience was probably reacting to the demonic spirit of it.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 12:28 PM (OTdqV)

133 I would suggest that if you are interested in what the technical end of modern Renaissance thinking and hacking is, try hackaday.com/
You get everything (at least this week) from guys building a sail driven cart to cross Mongolia, to depositing tin oxide on glass to make a conductive layer, to "roll your own" circuit boards.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 12, 2024 12:29 PM (D7oie)

134 My sister is coming from out west Monday to go to the rally with me.
Live reporting from a Trump rally hopefully

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 12:29 PM (fwDg9)

135 Specialization is for insects.

Posted by: Bigsmith at October 12, 2024 12:29 PM (TBtxw)

136 Can we see pics of the Opera lesbians? Just so we understand, fully, the story.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:29 PM (zbc7t)

137 Whats opera, Doc?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 12, 2024 12:30 PM (63Dwl)

138 I like Dennis Prager but he believes the USA should be the world's policeman. He says we should have stayed in Afghanistan forever if that's what it takes. He compares it to us staying in Germany and Japan forever which he sees as a good thing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 12, 2024 12:26 PM (63Dwl)

I would think part of what would define a "renaissance man" is to be able to change one's beliefs, based on new information, rather than obstinately holding onto views that are clearly shown to have been wrong.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:32 PM (0lDib)

139 "The Dig" is a great movie with a core "dig" at credentialism, in that the amateur archaeologist who makes a groundbreaking (ISWIDT) discovery has greater intuition, and cerainly more drive, than the Natural Museum mucketymucks. True story, sad and fascinating. Ralph Fiennes and Carey Mulligan are amazing.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at October 12, 2024 12:33 PM (vCRHt)

140 @29/LinusVanPelt: "... but I know lots of PhDs that are almost functionally illiterate!"

Knowledge that is a mile deep, and an inch wide. It's common with PhDs.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 12:26 PM (O7YUW)

Unfortunately most don’t seem to know what they don’t know. Very unaware and overconfident…. Humility is rare in that environment

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 12:34 PM (5MZNC)

141 I do think as well no world policeman the criminal nations run wild ( see Iran and China now that there is no world policeman

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 12:34 PM (fwDg9)

142 There's a piece from "Time Enough For Love" by Heinlein that always appealed to me.

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”

Note it says 'should be able', not that it all has to be done all the time. Seems appropriate for this thread.

Posted by: JTB at October 12, 2024 12:36 PM (yTvNw)

143 Hamas attacked Israel,Russian into Ukraine.
Think any of that could have been stopped maybe having a world policeman at least just standing on the corner?

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 12:36 PM (fwDg9)

144 I like Dennis Prager but he believes the USA should be the world's policeman. He says we should have stayed in Afghanistan forever if that's what it takes. He compares it to us staying in Germany and Japan forever which he sees as a good thing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 12, 2024 12:26 PM (63Dwl)

I would think part of what would define a "renaissance man" is to be able to change one's beliefs, based on new information, rather than obstinately holding onto views that are clearly shown to have been wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:32 PM (0lDib)

I’ve listened to Prager for 30+ years and I think that’s a mischaracterization of his position…. For instance he was in favor of Ukraine instinctively when that war started…. As it’s becoming obvious that they can’t win and there’s no end in sight he now wants a negotiated settlement

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 12:37 PM (5MZNC)

145 If the Trump years proved anything it's that in foreign policy, an ounce of deterrence is worth a pound if intervention. IOW, don't start none, won't be none.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 12, 2024 12:37 PM (2UnvF)

146 143 Hamas attacked Israel,Russian into Ukraine.
Think any of that could have been stopped maybe having a world policeman at least just standing on the corner?
Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 12:36 PM (fwDg9)

Arabs having been attacking Israel for 75 years. Even while we spent trillions being the world’s policeman.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:39 PM (zbc7t)

147 o dang, I never comment- but Donald Trump is a renaissance man, almost to the given definition- irritating the deep state people who acquired their positions the old fashioned way through nepotism, grift and education at the most prestigious schools. One specific trait that renaissance men have is that they can see and encourage special traits in others. You've all pointed this out is recognizing skilled craftsmen, teachers, and military members. This site is a renaissance site.

Credentialism is what leads to bridges collapsing, dams failing (oroville, I be looking at you!) HR unable to figure out what makes a good employee WITHOUT using a computer program. Medications killing millions, it is the rise of mediocracy, not meritocracy. The current education system is NOT a forge to test and hone a student's mettle, it lies by stating that 65% success is adequate.

pan dowdy, I was taught, was because it didn't look that pretty in the pan, but was heavenly in the mouth.

Posted by: ache in my at October 12, 2024 12:40 PM (ez10z)

148 I’ve listened to Prager for 30+ years and I think that’s a mischaracterization of his position…. For instance he was in favor of Ukraine instinctively when that war started…. As it’s becoming obvious that they can’t win and there’s no end in sight he now wants a negotiated settlement
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2024 12:37 PM (5MZNC)

The problem is, people like Prager either mischaracterize when the Ukraine war "started," or they were fooled.

One or the other.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:41 PM (0lDib)

149 I consider myself an above average Jack of all trades and a master of none. Admittedly I've more than once wished I was just a master of one thing instead.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 12, 2024 12:41 PM (zn6Ro)

150 Arabs having been attacking Israel for 75 years. Even while we spent trillions being the world’s policeman.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:39 PM (zbc7t)

It's a several thousand year old conflict.

Started long before the U.S. of A. put on the badge.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:42 PM (0lDib)

151 I want us to be more like the head of a mafia family from the old days. As long as you leave us alone and don’t fuck with our business, we leave you alone. But if you break the rule, we will take action, immediately and severely.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:45 PM (zbc7t)

152 In this time of specialization a problem arises when a true expert in one very small area presumes equal expertise (and status and authority) in all other areas because of their position in the smaller one. No other accomplishments needed.

Don't work that way, folks.

Posted by: JTB at October 12, 2024 12:45 PM (yTvNw)

153 I could use a handyman to change out the bulbs in my left rear blinker, tail light.

I know it's easy for you, but I'll f@ck it up and break something.

Ugh.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 12, 2024 12:45 PM (R0zVc)

154 I consider Beserker to be the aos renaissance man.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 12, 2024 12:46 PM (zn6Ro)

155 could use a handyman to change out the bulbs in my left rear blinker, tail light.

—

You just might be low on blinker fluid.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:46 PM (zbc7t)

156 Posted by: nurse ratched at October 12, 2024 12:45 PM (R0zVc)

It's simpler than you even think but if you don't want to try it I believe any of the auto parts store would change it for you.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 12, 2024 12:47 PM (zn6Ro)

157 I grew up on a farm. 1970's. I learned how to grow vegetables, use an old fashioned (even then) wringer style washing machine, hang clothes on the clothes line, bait a hook, catch a fish, care for animals (seriously do not annoy the bull), castrate piglets, drive a tractor, stack hay on a wagon, shell corn, skin a squirrel, can vegetables, recognize and collect edible mushrooms, cook on an open fire, use a hammer or a hand saw, build a house (my parents built the house we lived in themselves), use a lawnmower, play baseball, and sew a button on.
As a teenager I learned to use a sewing machine, use power tools, refinish furniture, paint a wall, change a light switch (or an outlet or a light fixture) fix a water line, unclog a drain, change a tire, change the oil in a 1973 Chevrolet Nova, drive a manual transmission vehicle, and run a chainsaw.
As an adult, I can't say if I can still do some of those thing because I haven't needed to do them. But I can do a lot of it. But no castrating piglets or annoying a bull.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 12, 2024 12:47 PM (4XwPj)

158 I consider Beserker to be the aos renaissance man.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 12, 2024 12:46 PM (zn6Ro)

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Equally well versed in heavy metal, expletives, and hair care products!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 12, 2024 12:48 PM (2UnvF)

159 Posted by: nurse ratched at October 12, 2024 12:45 PM (R0zVc)

It's simpler than you even think but if you don't want to try it I believe any of the auto parts store would change it for you.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 12, 2024 12:47 PM (zn6Ro)

Some vehicles are designed to where changing a bulb is damn near impossible, without specialized knowledge and tools.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:49 PM (0lDib)

160
I'm not sure if it's a credential into Renaissanceness, but I once had to deliver a litter of puppies. That was my first and last foray into obstetrics.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:50 PM (BkEzK)

161 Equally well versed in heavy metal, expletives, and hair care products!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 12, 2024 12:48 PM (2UnvF)

Damn.

I really don't care for heavy metal.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:50 PM (0lDib)

162 Equally well versed in heavy metal, expletives, and hair care products!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 12, 2024 12:48 PM (2UnvF)

Hah.

Conservative thinker , Harley mechanic, professional musician, finish carpenter, guitar maker, etc.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 12, 2024 12:50 PM (zn6Ro)

163 > but I know lots of PhDs that are almost functionally illiterate!
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I worked with a lab full of PhD's. Their ability to function inside the normal person's world; resetting a microwave, tying shoe laces, parking a car, etc. were beyond their ability to perform.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 12, 2024 12:51 PM (Q4IgG)

164 I'm not sure if it's a credential into Renaissanceness, but I once had to deliver a litter of puppies. That was my first and last foray into obstetrics.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:50 PM (BkEzK)

I've performed surgery.

On lab rats.

They all died.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:51 PM (0lDib)

165
They all died.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:51 PM (0lDib)

_________

Mama and babies were fine. I was in critical condition.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:52 PM (BkEzK)

166 It's simpler than you even think but if you don't want to try it I believe any of the auto parts store would change it for you.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 12, 2024 12:47 PM (zn6Ro)

Highly dependent on the vehicle. I had a front bulb that needed changing. Figured how hard can it be? Watched a YouTube video after 5 minutes said fuck it let a pro do this. It was a 2 hour job.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:52 PM (zbc7t)

167 They all died.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:51 PM (0lDib)

Mama and babies were fine. I was in critical condition.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:52 PM (BkEzK)

This is why all good medical procedures have alcohol at hand.

One pour for the patient, one large swig for the medical practitioner.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:54 PM (0lDib)

168 101
Every lawyer I've known has had his law school diploma framed on the wall of his office. But no scientist I've known has ever done the same with his PhD diploma.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 12, 2024 12:05 PM (BkEzK)
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Medical doctors do that but it makes sense as they are dealing with the public, who may want to know such detail. Mine is still rolled up in the cardboard tube it came in and the only time I have pulled it out was to make copies to include in applications to various colleges for work.

Posted by: Ciampino - Doc or Prof only on campus at October 12, 2024 12:54 PM (qfLjt)

169 Even wipers can be ridiculously complex to take off and replace. I went to Napa, bought a new set, asked them to install. The guy that spends all day doing stuff like this had to read the instructions and it took him about 10-15 mins to figure it out.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 12:55 PM (zbc7t)

170 Terrifier 3 may beat Joker 2 at the box office this weekend.

I've been on a horror, slasher bent lately. The first two Terrifier movies were fantastic. Very brutal.

Posted by: Stateless at October 12, 2024 12:57 PM (jvJvP)

171 My female cousin is using a bush hog on the little field that will soon be the boy spawn acre.

That's one thing I never learned to do.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 12, 2024 12:59 PM (4XwPj)

172 141 I do think as well no world policeman the criminal nations run wild ( see Iran and China now that there is no world policeman
Posted by: Skip
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The thugs won't stay in their own back yard. Our problem, now, comes from the Administrative State allocating how problems should be solved. They are perfect example of the Peter Principle. They have created the soft underclass.

Corporal punishment and rough justice keep things straight in the real world not the corrupt and corrupting Nation Building style of the Administrators. Policing the world is for policemen not the administrator who thinks imagining how things should be is work.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 12, 2024 12:59 PM (jyGs/)

173 Medical doctors do that but it makes sense as they are dealing with the public, who may want to know such detail. Mine is still rolled up in the cardboard tube it came in and the only time I have pulled it out was to make copies to include in applications to various colleges for work.
Posted by: Ciampino - Doc or Prof only on campus at October 12, 2024 12:54 PM (qfLjt)

Yeah, posting on the wall either serves the purpose of giving comfort to your customers/patients, or you put it away.

If you are licensed in something these days, prospective employers can be given proof of one's education by contacting the state licensing board.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 12:59 PM (0lDib)

174 Every lawyer I've known has had his law school diploma framed on the wall of his office. But no scientist I've known has ever done the same with his PhD diploma.

Lawyers put their diplomas on the wall because people who come to them for help expect to see such things and find them reassuring. Subatomic particles don't give a shit about whether the physicist who's observing them has the correct combination of sheepskins on the wall.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 01:02 PM (guGkK)

175 The thugs won't stay in their own back yard. Our problem, now, comes from the Administrative State allocating how problems should be solved. They are perfect example of the Peter Principle. They have created the soft underclass.

Corporal punishment and rough justice keep things straight in the real world not the corrupt and corrupting Nation Building style of the Administrators. Policing the world is for policemen not the administrator who thinks imagining how things should be is work.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 12, 2024 12:59 PM (jyGs/)

Doesn't matter who you are, what you do, how you do it, if you rely on might to keep other people in line, eventually those people figure out how to get stronger than you.

When they come to exact their revenge, they won't be kind.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:02 PM (0lDib)

176 Often though not in awhile said when going into a professional office look at the diplomas, you may want to run away fast.

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 01:03 PM (fwDg9)

177 Even wipers can be ridiculously complex to take off and replace.

*clip*

*clip*

Say, you're not one of those Men who are voting for Kamala, are you?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 01:04 PM (guGkK)

178 For anyone that saw the link to the Ruthless podcast, this is the video of the fishing trip with JD Vance

https://tinyurl.com/562xb99w

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 12, 2024 01:04 PM (gfViB)

179 I eat windshield wipers for breakfast.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 01:04 PM (guGkK)

180 > Every lawyer I've known has had his law school diploma framed on the wall of his office. But no scientist I've known has ever done the same with his PhD diploma.
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Ever worked with government employee "scientists?"

They frame everything.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 12, 2024 01:05 PM (Q4IgG)

181 66 Obama may be a witless mediocrity but you have to give him credit for timing. If he had peaked in the 50's he would have been pushing a broom somewhere. Coming of age in the reign of DEI and AWFLs opened all kinds of doors for him that would have been slammed shut based on his merit alone.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 11:36 AM (JkO4W)

I'm of the belief the Obamas and Cummalas, and even Bill Clinton, these people rise to the top, not because they're special or do great things, but because there are several of these types being cultivated at any given time.
...
...
Posted by: BurtTC
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Conversation between Musk and Carlson; they agreed that the Democrats are being ran by a politburo of 100 persons. Carlson said to Musk, 'You probably know eighty of them'. Musk replied, 'most of them'. That little vignette puts things in scary perspective.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 12, 2024 01:05 PM (jyGs/)

182 When they come to exact their revenge, they won't be kind.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:02 PM (0lDib)

Hope we see that soon.

To save Gaia, I'm willing to compromise and suggest all our enemies and their bloodlines into hand turned wood chippers....

Posted by: Stateless at October 12, 2024 01:05 PM (jvJvP)

183 Lawyers put their diplomas on the wall because people who come to them for help expect to see such things and find them reassuring. Subatomic particles don't give a shit about whether the physicist who's observing them has the correct combination of sheepskins on the wall.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 01:02 PM (guGkK)

Lawyers get picked on enough, I generally don't feel the need to pile on.

However... I think it's just part of the profession's custom. Most people who need a good lawyer aren't reading their diplomas to find out if the guy knows what he's doing or not.

And let's be honest, if you belong to a firm, and you went to Hoity Toity University to get your law degree, and someone else in the office went to East Nowhere State, you put your diploma on the wall as a flex.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:05 PM (0lDib)

184 131 @29/LinusVanPelt: "... but I know lots of PhDs that are almost functionally illiterate!"

Knowledge that is a mile deep, and an inch wide. It's common with PhDs.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 12:26 PM (O7YUW)
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Well yes, you know more and more of less and less.

Posted by: Ciampino - 1,000,000 aches = 1 megahurtz at October 12, 2024 01:06 PM (qfLjt)

185 Mama and babies were fine. I was in critical condition.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

I bet it is one of your most rewarding moments and dearest memories.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 12, 2024 01:07 PM (WL2lA)

186 Conversation between Musk and Carlson; they agreed that the Democrats are being ran by a politburo of 100 persons. Carlson said to Musk, 'You probably know eighty of them'. Musk replied, 'most of them'. That little vignette puts things in scary perspective.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 12, 2024 01:05 PM (jyGs/)

I heard the story recently, when Obama won the election in 2009, Citibank sent him a list of who they wanted in his Cabinet.

His Cabinet was that list.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:08 PM (0lDib)

187 And let's be honest, if you belong to a firm, and you went to Hoity Toity University to get your law degree, and someone else in the office went to East Nowhere State, you put your diploma on the wall as a flex.

True.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 01:08 PM (guGkK)

188 I heard the story recently, when Obama won the election in 2009, Citibank sent him a list of who they wanted in his Cabinet.

His Cabinet was that list.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:08 PM (0lDib)

2008.

Whatever. Shut up!

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:08 PM (0lDib)

189 Nurse, the rear bulb is accessed from inside the cargo bay, if it is like my old Legacy. There is a panel to take off, and then you can remove the bulb holder and bulb from the back side without touching the light assembly. It is pretty straight forward.

when you buy a replacement bulb, buy two or three, that will save a trip next time you burn one out.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 12, 2024 01:09 PM (D7oie)

190 Was looking to see if someone posted the Heinlein quote.

I'm reading the biography on Elon, done by the same guy that did the Steve Jobs bio. I get the feeling that he liked Jobs better. I think Elon is the tougher individual.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 12, 2024 01:11 PM (gfViB)

191 And let's be honest, if you belong to a firm, and you went to Hoity Toity University to get your law degree, and someone else in the office went to East Nowhere State, you put your diploma on the wall as a flex.
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True.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 01:08 PM (guGkK)

Still, if that's how your profession does it, you do it too.

Try being a baseball manager who wears a suit in the dugout (Connie Mack did it, but he also owned the freakin' team), or be a heavy metal guitar god, and get your hair trimmed, wear non-leather pants on stage.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:11 PM (0lDib)

192 Part of my interest in U.S. history, especially the 18th century frontier, is learning how much these people had to know just to survive and, hopefully, thrive. Building structures with only the most basic tools, finding water, hunting, growing food and caring for livestock, food prep and preservation, making and maintaining tools, knowing the properties of many types of wood, blacksmithing, making clothing, realizing the type of clay needed for vessels, chimneys, or making bricks, leatherworking, etc.

Drives me crazy when people talk about the past as 'simpler' times.

Posted by: JTB at October 12, 2024 01:11 PM (yTvNw)

193 143 Hamas attacked Israel,Russian into Ukraine.
Think any of that could have been stopped maybe having a world policeman at least just standing on the corner?

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 12:36 PM (fwDg9)
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Well the Ukraine debacle is the USA's doing, particularly the dog-eater. I think we are also to blame for Hamas as we should never have given them any money, year after year - they don't do anything for us.

Posted by: Ciampino - our politicos stink at October 12, 2024 01:13 PM (qfLjt)

194 Nurse, the rear bulb is accessed from inside the cargo bay, if it is like my old Legacy. There is a panel to take off, and then you can remove the bulb holder and bulb from the back side without touching the light assembly. It is pretty straight forward.

when you buy a replacement bulb, buy two or three, that will save a trip next time you burn one out.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 12, 2024 01:09 PM (D7oie)

I had a reflector on the back of my car that got broken. Given its location, and the fact nothing else was damaged, I have to think someone broke it intentionally.

Anyhoo, in order to replace the plastic reflector, the back panel needed to be removed, which included various electronics for the trunk/lights.

I couldn't do that myself.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:13 PM (0lDib)

195
Drives me crazy when people talk about the past as 'simpler' times.
Posted by: JTB

It all depends on how far back in time you go.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 12, 2024 01:17 PM (63Dwl)

196 Well the Ukraine debacle is the USA's doing, particularly the dog-eater. I think we are also to blame for Hamas as we should never have given them any money, year after year - they don't do anything for us.
Posted by: Ciampino - our politicos stink at October 12, 2024 01:13 PM (qfLjt)

Ukraine is the end result of the American foreign policy establishments plans that started as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed.

And obviously before, as whatever schemes were in place, they merely had to be repurposed for the Russian Federation... or at least changed the header on the policy papers.

As for Hamas and the Middle East... I mostly stay out of it. We have been funding "the peace process" for so long now, unless you REALLY believe we're this bad at it, you have to conclude perpetual conflict is the goal.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 12, 2024 01:18 PM (0lDib)

197

Vice President Kamala Harris will release a report detailing her medical history and health information on Saturday in an effort to prompt the same from former President Donald Trump.

The detailed report will conclude, "She possesses the physical and mental resiliency required to successfully execute the duties of the Presidency, to include those as Chief Executive, Head of State and Commander in Chief," according to a senior campaign aide.

Harris advisers insist that the report is an opportunity to spotlight Trump's health and mental acuity, since the 78-year-old Republican nominee would be the oldest president at the end of his potential second term, the aide said.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 12, 2024 01:19 PM (63Dwl)

198 THE GARDEN THREAD IS BLOOMING

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2024 01:21 PM (fwDg9)

199 Harris advisers insist that the report is an opportunity to spotlight Trump's health and mental acuity, since the 78-year-old Republican nominee would be the oldest president at the end of his potential second term, the aide said.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 12, 2024 01:19 PM (63Dwl)

the section on the UA will read, "really just fine, don't worry, everything is groovy and within expected readings"

Posted by: Kindltot at October 12, 2024 01:21 PM (D7oie)

200 Will Harris' health report also include the addictions and number of days/weeks/months spent in rehab?

Or nah?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 12, 2024 01:22 PM (Q4IgG)

201 >>Hamas attacked Israel,Russian into Ukraine.
Think any of that could have been stopped maybe having a world policeman at least just standing on the corner?

Neither of those happened by chance. They were the result of failed US foreign policy or more accurately the result of planned US policy.

If you think that's wrong then ask yourself how we went from the most secure southern border since the Border Patrol has kept statistics to nearly 20 million invaders in 4 years while the media tells us you are a racist idiot if you ask if it's a problem. What's happening to this country and the world is not an accident or poor policy, it's a plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2024 01:23 PM (LkLld)

202 Forgot this. Drove by this house on the way to the lake. Nice place. Now there's a nine foot skeleton, holding a Trump 2024 banner. I love this place!

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 12, 2024 01:27 PM (gfViB)

203 the section on the UA will read, "really just fine, don't worry, everything is groovy and within expected readings"
Posted by: Kindltot at October 12, 2024 01:21 PM (D7oie)

I was hoping for something more like, "given all the spooge she's ingested over the years, she's in remarkably good shape."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 12, 2024 01:27 PM (guGkK)

204 ) Hot girls are waiting for you to set your computer on fire.

Posted by: Miona at October 12, 2024 01:31 PM (S09Jr)

205 193 143 Hamas attacked Israel,Russian into Ukraine.
Think any of that could have been stopped maybe having a world policeman at least just standing on the corner?

Posted by: Skip
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Being top dog doesn't mean a boot on every neck. The Russia / Ukraine thing is a perfect example of Administrative Politburo's imagination. If Trump had been president it would never have happened.

There is no place for color revolutions, money laundering, and NATO dreams.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 12, 2024 01:33 PM (jyGs/)

206 It was probably Goldman Sachs not Citibank. But same idea.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 12, 2024 01:38 PM (zbc7t)

207 Some vehicles are designed to where changing a bulb is damn near impossible, without specialized knowledge and tools.
Posted by: BurtTC

Had a busted tail light lens. Ordered exact replacement which came with wiring harness and three/four bulbs. Taking busted tail light assembly out was easy. Harness connector was between frame and body. Must have somebody connecting it as they lower the body onto the frame... So reused old harness with new bulbs and assembly.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 12, 2024 01:57 PM (/lPRQ)

208 Backed my truck into a tree (I know) and trashed the tail light assembly. $39 Auto Zone, the whole thing; assembly, lights, reflector all one big package. One plug in for the harness, two tabs and two screws. Amazing.

Not talking about the A/C evaporator the mechanic had to pull the dashboard in order to replace.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 12, 2024 02:08 PM (jyGs/)

209 Apparently SpaceX has an erection that is literally visible from orbit, and Musk's is the slightly smaller one standing right next to it!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 12, 2024 02:09 PM (gfztU)

210 Tiffany Fong@TiffanyFong_Oct 11

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Sept 27 to Oct 11, $2912.81

"Tiffany Fong@TiffanyFong_18h
YAY i made it to 160K followers without posting my titties on the internet !!!

Posted by: Braenyard at October 12, 2024 02:33 PM (jyGs/)

211 Will Kamala's medical report include the number of abortions?

Posted by: Wenda at October 12, 2024 02:33 PM (yzDpQ)

212 @53/Eromero: "You, my friend, are a Renaissance Man!"

I'm a bit late getting back to this thread, I've been in the middle of the whole-wheat bread making process in the kitchen. Loaves have been formed and are rising in the greased pans. Baking in about an hour.

And thank you very much for the compliment! That's one of the nicest things anyone's said to me all week. You really made my day.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 02:48 PM (O7YUW)

213 Re # 204: Nicely disarmed spam whichever COB did that. Hats off to you.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 02:52 PM (O7YUW)

214 Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 12, 2024 02:52 PM

Heh.

Posted by: KT at October 12, 2024 03:22 PM (xekrU)

215 VDH is a Renaissance Man in the classic sense because nobody is counting.

Pay heed and listen.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 12, 2024 04:12 PM (bxmU0)

216 My “baby” Dr, Dr Cardullo, was my Dr until I turned 13. Dr Cardullo was a Pediatrician. He dealt with your entire body. You had a broken bone, he put a cast on it. You almost take off your finger, he stitched you up and made sure I was going to have 10 fingers. You had an ear infection, tonsillitis, skin rashes, couldn’t poop and the list goes on because he specialized in human afflictions. His credential was simply MD. I loved the freckled face man and I was sad when I could no longer go to him. I would give anything to have a Dr like him now.

Posted by: Just saying at October 12, 2024 06:35 PM (rzwGB)

217 Harris now flooding SE Michigan airwaves with this latest ad saying that President Trump is not fit to be President again, using clips from people in his first Administration badmouthing him.

Mike Pence, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper, John Bolton, Mark Milley. All Deep State operatives.

https://bit.ly/3zXrMbp

Been airing pretty much every commercial break during Ohio State-Oregon game.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 12, 2024 08:30 PM (P5BPp)

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