Hunter Biden Offers to Plead Guilty In His Tax Fraud Case -- <i>But Only If He's Permitted to DENY All Wrongdoing</i>

Hunter Biden Offers to Plead Guilty In His Tax Fraud Case -- But Only If He's Permitted to DENY All Wrongdoing

So he'll plead guilty while simultaneously maintaining his innocence?

He was charged in December as part of a wide-ranging probe of his finances and business dealings, becoming the first child of a sitting president to face criminal charges.
In the Los Angeles federal court where his trial was due to take place, Biden sought to enter what is known as an "Alford plea," an usual type of guilty plea where a defendant does not admit to the allegations against them.

Unusual, you meant, AP. Great "multiple layers of painstaking editorial fact-checking."

U.S. Justice Department prosecutors in the courtroom said they would not accept that plea. Federal prosecutors generally only agree to Alford pleas in rare circumstances, where they have approval from high-level officials.

The "Alford plea" kinda-sorta got blessed retroactively. A killer named Alford pled guilty to second-degree murder to avoid being convicted of death-penalty-eligible first-degree murder. He later tried to overturn his conviction, saying he had only pled guilty to avoid the death penalty but had always been innocent. The Supreme Court rejected his efforts, saying that if he was informed of the consequences of his plea by a capable lawyer, and still pled guilty, he was stuck with that plea, even if he maintained his innocence.

Having thus been blessed as a plea after-the-fact -- mostly just to shut up a jailhouse lawyer spamming out reasons he should be released -- such "Alford pleas" are now accepted in most jurisdictions, but are rare. You acknowledge that the prosecution has enough evidence to convict you, while remaining resolutely coy about whether that evidence actually proves your guilt.

Shipwreckedcrew
@shipwreckedcrew
Alford pleas require DOJ consent.
In 21 years at DOJ I never heard of a case where DOJ consented.
DOJ policy is that for a defendant to plead guilty, the defendant must make a factual admission of guilt.
DOJ policy is to not allow someone to plead "guilty" while not admitting factual guilt.

Hunter wants to enter an Alford plea for a simple reason: He knows, with near-certainty, he is not going to be sentenced to anything more than 100 hours of community service or something like that, and even that will be erased by a pardon from his father.

The princelings of the Regime do not go to prison, ever.

So the only real penalty he's in danger of receiving is the public exposure of his crimes and many, many lies to cover-up those crimes. (As well as the implication that his father has been protecting him through his long, long history of notorious crimes.)

And he wants to avoid that. So sure he'll accept a guilty plea knowing he'll face no actual sentence for it, so long as he avoids the one "punishment" he actually might suffer, the punishment of having his crimes be publicly acknowledged and all his years of lying exposed as the whining of a privileged princeling crackhead who has skated all of his life on family connections.

There's a cute little wrinkle to an Alford plea. You probably know that Hunter Biden is suing, in purest of bad faith, all of the people who have accurately and justly called him a serial criminal.

Well, if a court accepts an Alford plea, you have not officially admitted you're a criminal, so you can continue asserting your innocence in other legal cases, like civil lawsuits for defamation.

The Minnesota Supreme Court first explored the collateral consequences of an Alford plea in a civil trial in Doe 136 v. Liebsch, 872 N.W.2d 875 (Minn. 2015). In its decision, the Minnesota Supreme Court recognized that the district court had broad discretion to determine whether to admit evidence of the Alford plea in a subsequent civil trial. Though the court acknowledged that a conviction based on an Alford plea generally carries the same penalties and collateral consequences as a conventional guilty plea, it emphasized the fact that it had never stated that a district court must admit a guilty plea as evidence in subsequent civil matter. Further, it found that the district court enjoys broad discretion to determine whether to admit evidence under Rule 403. Thus, it determined that the district court did not abuse its discretion when it excluded the Alford plea based on 403 grounds.

That is, the other party was not permitted to introduce the highly relevant evidence that the Alford-pleading party had already accepted punishment for his crime (albeit without admitting he'd committed the crime).

He'd get his get-out-of-jail free card plus the right to continue suing all of his accusers, because he didn't technically acknowledge his guilt.

Is that how it works, Huntie? You're a lawyer, supposedly -- tell me, is that how it works? We accept plea offers from criminals who continue insisting they're innocent and that we have no just basis for punishing them?

And then we let them sue people calling them criminals, allowing them to maintaining their perfectly-fictitious "innocence" in other court cases?

Like I said, I bet this is how it all winds up working for "Huntie," the absolutely most-privileged rich, useless, legacy white man the world has ever known.

PS NeverTrump is fighting to preserve "our precious normzzzzzzz."

#BREAKING: Hunter Biden will offer to the Los Angeles judge in his tax case what's called an Alford plea, meaning he'll accept whatever sentence comes down while maintaining his innocence. CNN notes this is NOT a guilty plea.

In other words, it's only an admission he wouldn't be… pic.twitter.com/3eyaJiV2nQ
— Curtis Houck (@CurtisHouck) September 5, 2024

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:20 PM

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1 Hunter Biden Offers to Plead Guilty In His Tax Fraud Case -- But Only If He's Permitted to DENY All Wrongdoing

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Well, that doesn't make sense to me.

But, then again, he is very high.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:22 PM (GBKbO)

2 First?

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 05, 2024 03:22 PM (Rbu5d)

3 Russian Collusion & Interference Hoax 3.0 hardest hit.

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 05, 2024 03:23 PM (jXhe1)

4 Hunter is bonkers... oh, California, yeah he'll get to plead guilty with no admission of guilt.
What a great gig he has.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 05, 2024 03:23 PM (ldrkw)

5 Close.

"The princelings of the Regime do not go to prison, ever."

Nepotism. [Spit]

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 05, 2024 03:23 PM (Rbu5d)

6 Hunter is a small fish. If the obvious corruption in letting him off persuades more people to vote Trump, it's something I can live with.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 05, 2024 03:23 PM (xCA6C)

7 I nooded.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 05, 2024 03:24 PM (Rbu5d)

8 But, isn't this all just Russian disinformation?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:24 PM (Zz0t1)

9 >>>Well, that doesn't make sense to me.
But, then again, he is very high.

lol treebeard

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:24 PM (KRtlO)

10 This is all bull$hit at this point. He could have done this months ago and saved everyone some serious $$$$$. He is only doing it because joe biden will pardon him and no one will care because they kicked biden to the curb and he is a serious lame duck at this point and I am 96.84% confident that a pardon for hunter was part of the deal to get joe to fall on his sword.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 05, 2024 03:24 PM (QNSds)

11 ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (KRtlO)

12 So he'll plead guilty while simultaneously maintaining his innocence?

Sure. And papa Joe will pardon him before the year is out.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (N39Ws)

13 Well, Liz Cheney doesn't care about Hunter Biden because Trump had mean tweets, Jack!

Posted by: Jay in PA at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (i7Q7S)

14 9 lol treebeard
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:24 PM (KRtlO)

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I made ace laugh.

What have YOU done today?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (GBKbO)

15 John Edwards in 2004: There are two Americas!

Me watching Hunter get away with sexually assaulting kids and being the president's moneyman: Well, now there certainly is.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (oZhjI)

16 Isn't this the Lois Lerner tactic?

"I plead the 5th, but also let me bitch at you about this for a minute after I do."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (Zz0t1)

17 Hunter is using all his lawyering skills! Too bad he didn’t bother using them for good earlier and he wouldn’t be in this mess.

Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (pZEOD)

18 11 ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (KRtlO)

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That's, like, not that close to the end.

I also re-read the whole thing a couple of months ago. Like a warm blanket.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (GBKbO)

19 You are all just jealous that your Daddy isn't Joe Biden.

Clearly, the smart move is to make sure Daddy has pardon powers before committing to a life of crime and debauchery.

It's how slow Joe knows his kid is the smartest guy.

Posted by: Just Lily at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (NHWAu)

20 He's a prince.

It's not hard to understand.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie is a no-spat bullsh*tter who loves everyone at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (6S84Y)

21
Guilty but Innocent

Fake but Accurate

Posted by: ... at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (uujoW)

22 Is that how it works, Huntie? You're a lawyer, supposedly

I AM A GRADUATE OF YALE LAW SCHOOL!

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY PHONE CALLS DAD HAD TO MAKE TO GET ME IN!

Posted by: HUNTER! at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (uxCna)

23 ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.

Wait is that the part where some girl boss elves show that old boring white dude how awesome they are?!?

Posted by: Disney at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (oZhjI)

24 lol treebeard
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:24 PM (KRtlO)

You appear to have misspelled 'asshole.'

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (Zz0t1)

25 Further confirming the confirmed fact that Leftists cannot -- literally cannot -- admit or take responsibility for any crime, wrongdoing or f*cked up policy.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (+cFQ9)

26 Is this "Alford plea" some federal thing? In the state criminal courts, the "nolo plea" is not unusual at all. It stands for "nolo contendere" and means "no contest." It's basically pleading guilty without admitting guilt.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 03:27 PM (iFTx/)

27 >>>That's, like, not that close to the end.

yes it is, it's like going south from here, it feels like going downhill. We're into my two favorite parts of the story, Moria and the ambush and Amon Hen. With just one boring part (Lothlorien) in between.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:27 PM (KRtlO)

28 >>Hunter Biden Offers to Plead Guilty In His Tax Fraud Case -- But Only If He's Permitted to DENY All Wrongdoing

Uhmm... WHAT???

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 05, 2024 03:27 PM (XV/Pl)

29 it seems a bit odd the guy that facilitated the reported $27 million that went to the Bidens is in a position to pardon Huntie when that guy is no longer performing as preznit don't it?

Posted by: DanMan at September 05, 2024 03:27 PM (8uzBS)

30 >>>26 Is this "Alford plea" some federal thing? In the state criminal courts, the "nolo plea" is not unusual at all. It stands for "nolo contendere" and means "no contest." It's basically pleading guilty without admitting guilt.

yeah I believe that's similar but nolo contendere is accepted as a plea in *misdemeanor* cases, you know, minor things generally punished by a fine and not worth the cost of fighting in court.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:27 PM (KRtlO)

31 Fellowship of the Ring happened more than ten miles from me.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie is a no-spat bullsh*tter who loves everyone at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (6S84Y)

32 Whatever happened to "Nolo contendere"?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (VdhcA)

33 Schrodinger's Plea

Posted by: ... at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (uujoW)

34 hunter is ellis from die hard,

just this close to getting gruber shooting him

who protected him besides the 51 intel official,

cofer black supreme spymaster,

Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (PXvVL)

35 NOLO YOLO

Posted by: Boron Cobbie is a no-spat bullsh*tter who loves everyone at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (6S84Y)

36 Hunter's nightmare has to be that Senile Joe dies unexpectedly in office, and President Kamala welshes on the deal to give him a pardon.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (uxCna)

37 Well, the pardons will make this all moot, anyway.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (JMAcK)

38 11 ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (KRtlO)

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I read the trilogy every year in September.

I'd better get to it.

Posted by: Just Lily at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (NHWAu)

39 no they're not the same thing and no Alford pleas aren't federal only. I believe alford pleas are for criminal felony prosecutions, nolo contendere for misdemeanors

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (KRtlO)

40 27 yes it is, it's like going south from here, it feels like going downhill. We're into my two favorite parts of the story, Moria and the ambush and Amon Hen. With just one boring part (Lothlorien) in between.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:27 PM (KRtlO)

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I was surprised to rediscover references to the Silmarils dotted throughout.

Gonna have the read The Silmarillion now to figure out what it's all about.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (GBKbO)

41 ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.

Wait is that the part where some girl boss elves show that old boring white dude how awesome they are?!?
Posted by: Disney at September 05, 2024 03:26 PM (oZhjI)
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No, fool. It's the part where the lesbian witches eat eat other's muff while whining about oppression. Get your facts straight!

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 03:29 PM (iFTx/)

42 Hunter will get pardoned.

On the news I hear "President Biden has said he will not pardon his son."

But I am old enough to remember that President Biden has said he will not drop out of the race for President.

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2024 03:29 PM (xhfG9)

43 26 Is this "Alford plea" some federal thing? In the state criminal courts, the "nolo plea" is not unusual at all. It stands for "nolo contendere" and means "no contest." It's basically pleading guilty without admitting guilt.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq

I know what an Alford plea is and I am not some fancy pants NYC lawyer like the infamous Dr. Blade Esquire. 😛

Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 03:29 PM (pZEOD)

44 So the only real penalty he's in danger of receiving is the public exposure of his crimes and many, many lies to cover-up those crimes. (As well as the implication that his father has been protecting him through his long, long history of notorious crimes.)

C'mon ace. A father's love knows NO BOUNDS.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:29 PM (Zz0t1)

45 Get your facts straight!

-

A Dune / LOTR crossover is in the works?

Posted by: Boron Cobbie is a no-spat bullsh*tter who loves everyone at September 05, 2024 03:29 PM (6S84Y)

46 41 No, fool. It's the part where the lesbian witches eat eat other's muff while whining about oppression. Get your facts straight!
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 03:29 PM (iFTx/)

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If lesbians really could manifest children from nothing, that'd be impressive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (GBKbO)

47 Hunter plays the "It's not my fault!!" card like Joliet Jake Blues.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (W+kMI)

48 Gotta get bac to work, but... NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT PROSECUTING HUNTER FOR CRIMES. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT HAVING EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN COURT, FOR THE WHOLE FREAKIN' WORLD TO SEE!!!

Hunter isn't the point, people.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (dGCAG)

49 @11

>>ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.

The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever are like the PornHUB version of TLOTR.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (XV/Pl)

50 he got dibs from every seat in the Continental (john wick)

Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (PXvVL)

51 I would like to let everyone know that the rain stopped a couple hours ago and I will shortly be bathing again the waters of the Gulf of Mexico on day three of our vacation.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (aSUcN)

52 Well, the pardons will make this all moot, anyway.

Red states need to determine if Hunter committed any crimes in their jurisdiction, and charge him with state crimes if he did.

Joe and Kamala can't pardon state charges.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (uxCna)

53 45 A Dune / LOTR crossover is in the works?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie is a no-spat bullsh*tter who loves everyone at September 05, 2024 03:29 PM (6S84Y)

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After the Willy Wonka / Dune crossover cinematic universe spends itself.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (GBKbO)

54 I made ace laugh.

What have YOU done today?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

aced a final.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (CIS44)

55 Gonna have the read The Silmarillion now to figure out what it's all about.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (GBKbO)
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What it's about: if you want people to make horrible choices with tragic consequences, the Elves are your guys.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (VdhcA)

56 >>>48 Gotta get bac to work, but... NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT PROSECUTING HUNTER FOR CRIMES. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT HAVING EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN COURT, FOR THE WHOLE FREAKIN' WORLD TO SEE!!!

i mean... that was my whole point...

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:31 PM (KRtlO)

57 thats the acolyte I think

Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 03:31 PM (PXvVL)

58 Only one motivation for this:

FUD.

Chum. Stay voltage. Razzle dazzle. Good old unadorned tried and true bullshit.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 05, 2024 03:31 PM (mDTxx)

59 Is this "Alford plea" some federal thing? In the state criminal courts, the "nolo plea" is not unusual at all. It stands for "nolo contendere" and means "no contest." It's basically pleading guilty without admitting guilt.

yeah I believe that's similar but nolo contendere is accepted as a plea in *misdemeanor* cases, you know, minor things generally punished by a fine and not worth the cost of fighting in court.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:27 PM (KRtlO)
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Fyi, nolo pleas are accepted in felonies as well

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM (iFTx/)

60 >>>The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever are like the PornHUB version of TLOTR.

i'm so happy with my progress that literally last night, I thought, I should finally try to read Thomas Covenant next.

but I hear it's so-so.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM (KRtlO)

61 >>>Fyi, nolo pleas are accepted in felonies as well

oh

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM (KRtlO)

62 Is this a "hurry up and resolve this" so I can get my pardon thingy before the old man croaks?

Posted by: Orson at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM (dIske)

63
Clearly, the smart move is to make sure Daddy has pardon powers before committing to a life of crime and debauchery.

This could be a tea leaf. If Biden expects Harris to lose, then Biden has to pardon Hunter while he is still prezzy. The fact that this is happening now suggests they don't expect victory.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM (xCA6C)

64 How does a pardon work with an Alfie plea?

I'm sure it works the same but it really highlights the absurdity.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM (aSUcN)

65 PS NeverTrump is fighting to preserve "our precious normzzzzzzz."

this is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: norman the coordinated at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM (oY6Yp)

66 It's good to be the son of the Puppet

But alas I am not so off to another evening at work

Posted by: Skip at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (fwDg9)

67 i'm so happy with my progress that literally last night, I thought, I should finally try to read Thomas Covenant next.

That and his Gap series are great but horribly depressing.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (oZhjI)

68 1
Well, that doesn't make sense to me.

But, then again, he is very high.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:22 PM (GBKbO)
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On meth or coke?

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, ha un petto magnifico #21 at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (qfLjt)

69 after LOTR, I'll read the hobbit, and then I'm on to re-read a lot of Conan. Not all of it, just some of the good ones.

Then I'll have to try to work through Elric. I gave up, I think, around the fourth book (out of the first six books).

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (KRtlO)

70 Alfred Packer >>> Alford Plea

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 03:34 PM (iFTx/)

71 What's it all about, Alford?

Posted by: Donovan at September 05, 2024 03:34 PM (FmapG)

72 after LOTR, I'll read the hobbit, and then I'm on to re-read a lot of Conan. Not all of it, just some of the good ones.

Then I'll have to try to work through Elric. I gave up, I think, around the fourth book (out of the first six books).
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (KRtlO)

Print is dead.

Posted by: Egon Spengler at September 05, 2024 03:34 PM (Zz0t1)

73 i'm so happy with my progress that literally last night, I thought, I should finally try to read Thomas Covenant next.

but I hear it's so-so.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM (KRtlO)
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It has its moments, but on the whole not worth the slog, IMO.

Donaldson clearly used the profits from the first trilogy to buy a REALLY BIG thesaurus to use in the second trilogy.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:34 PM (VdhcA)

74 Something interesting is happening in NYC.

FBI have confiscated the phones of NYPD Commissioner Caban, a Lieutenant, and a Sgt.

http://tiny.cc/4zykzz

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (Odg76)

75 after LOTR, I'll read the hobbit, and then I'm on to re-read a lot of Conan. Not all of it, just some of the good ones.

Then I'll have to try to work through Elric. I gave up, I think, around the fourth book (out of the first six books).
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (KRtlO)
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NOBODY GETS THROUGH ME

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (iFTx/)

76 >>>How does a pardon work with an Alfie plea?

these birds, y'see, they don't know what they want. I had a bird the other night, up 'round my flat, and it wasn't sure if it wanted to stay the night or not. This bird says "Pardon me, I have to go," so I says to it, "Darlin', you don't have to go, in fact you'll be wantin' to say."

Posted by: Alfie at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (KRtlO)

77 Afternoon.

Important people? Get punished? Not in this country, they don't.

Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (i/1SH)

78 Oh, that's very fascinating to me. I read a lot myself.

Posted by: Janine Melnitz at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (IHRQq)

79 What's it all about
When you sort it out, Alfie
Are we meant to take more than we give
Or are we meant to be kind?

Posted by: Donovan at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (FmapG)

80 Vladmir Vladmirovich Putin endorses Kamala Harris:

https://tinyurl.com/mujmtndx

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (uxCna)

81 11 ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.
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Eh, that's more like two-thirds done. There's a bit more traveling, fighting, Gandalf's biggest scene, talking to Elves, more traveling, a Nazgul cameo ruined by a high-rolling Legolas, and Boromir goes for broke.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (W+kMI)

82 Joe and Kamala can't pardon state charges.

nice state you got there. maybe a few hundred busses of "newcomers" will change your mind

Posted by: brak at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (NGHTx)

83 If he sues somebody doesn't he leave himself open to discovery by the defense team?

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, ha un petto magnifico #22 at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (qfLjt)

84 @60

>>but I hear it's so-so.

It's a more adult and derivative work of TLOTR.

It's got some nice world building and is rich in character development and story, but I would limit the reading to the first chronicles and skip chronicles II and III.

They essentially repeat the first chronicles.

It's like JJ Abrams took over Steven R Donaldson's brain.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (XV/Pl)

85 "FBI have confiscated the phones of NYPD Commissioner Caban, a Lieutenant, and a Sgt."

Was Adams complaining about illegals again?

Posted by: Ribbed at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (B0mGw)

86 ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (KRtlO)

I like the web clip where Gimli hits the ring with his axe and Barad Dur collapses instantly.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (n7h9X)

87 81 Eh, that's more like two-thirds done. There's a bit more traveling, fighting, Gandalf's biggest scene, talking to Elves, more traveling, a Nazgul cameo ruined by a high-rolling Legolas, and Boromir goes for broke.
Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (W+kMI)

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Boromir's ending being at the start of The Two Towers was always just a weird place for it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (GBKbO)

88 Reading the Lord of the Rings makes you a misogynist hate filled racist bigot. You should be watching Rings O’Power to see how these stories should be written!

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (qKaLG)

89 I made ace laugh.

What have YOU done today?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (GBKbO)

I fixed two doorknobs AND made on obscure classical allusion.
All before lunch.

Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (D7oie)

90 But, but... RUSSIAN HACKERS

Posted by: Mervyn Garlique at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (v0R5T)

91 Come on man, I want to hear all the juicy evidence. Implicate Papa Joe and the rest of the loser family.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (NtVYv)

92 Time Served!
- Judge Pakalolo

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (/lPRQ)

93 >>>
Eh, that's more like two-thirds done. There's a bit more traveling, fighting, Gandalf's biggest scene, talking to Elves, more traveling, a Nazgul cameo ruined by a high-rolling Legolas, and Boromir goes for broke.

SPOILERS

no I mean seriously dude, I know what's coming up next, though you did spoil what I had forgotten, that Legolas crit-hits a Nazgul

Posted by: Alfie at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (KRtlO)

94 If Biden expects Harris to lose, then Biden has to pardon Hunter while he is still prezzy.

Biden can wait until after the election to pardon Hunter.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 05, 2024 03:37 PM (uxCna)

95 93 no I mean seriously dude, I know what's coming up next, though you did spoil what I had forgotten, that Legolas crit-hits a Nazgul

Posted by: Alfie at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (KRtlO)

=======

While never talking to Frodo.

Ever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:37 PM (GBKbO)

96 > NOBODY GETS THROUGH ME

Are you saying they shall not pass?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:37 PM (Odg76)

97 Been reading Ken Follett. Meandering historical fictions. Enjoying them.

Posted by: Ribbed at September 05, 2024 03:37 PM (B0mGw)

98
What have YOU done today?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (GBKbO)

Alerted the nurses to my wife's significant allergic reaction to her chemo treatment.

Posted by: Egon Spengler at September 05, 2024 03:37 PM (Zz0t1)

99 >>>
I like the web clip where Gimli hits the ring with his axe and Barad Dur collapses instantly.

lol

lot of good vids. If you haven't seen "Orcs with normal voices," search for that on YouTube.

Posted by: Alfie at September 05, 2024 03:37 PM (KRtlO)

100 DAMNIT!!!!

Which still has my brain fubar.

Strike One.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:38 PM (Zz0t1)

101 14 9 lol treebeard
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:24 PM (KRtlO)

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I made ace laugh.

What have YOU done today?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (GBKbO)
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Well I'm not wearing pants!

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, ha un petto magnifico #23 at September 05, 2024 03:38 PM (qfLjt)

102 Nolo contendre is basically, "It ain't worth it to fight that $100 citation, so here. Take my $100. BFYWBM." I don't think you can BFYWBM in federal court.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 05, 2024 03:38 PM (KAi1n)

103 If Biden expects Harris to lose, then Biden has to pardon Hunter while he is still prezzy.

Biden can wait until after the election to pardon Hunter.

You shut up with your relevant facts.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 05, 2024 03:38 PM (xCA6C)

104 Donaldson clearly used the profits from the first trilogy to buy a REALLY BIG thesaurus to use in the second trilogy.
Posted by: Captain Obvious

....

You have to love it when characters are constantly ebullient or flummoxed and crap like that. Not that I have read those particular books but its wretched when an author gets the "use lively words" memo and just uses a find/replace tool to add in words they obviously never use.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 05, 2024 03:38 PM (aSUcN)

105 "Huntie," the absolutely most-privileged rich, useless, legacy white man the world has ever known.
.....

Besides his father.

Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 03:39 PM (v0R5T)

106 Boromir's ending being at the start of The Two Towers was always just a weird place for it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (GBKbO)
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Remember, the book is supposed to be one long novel. It was only split into three volumes due to post-war paper shortages.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:39 PM (VdhcA)

107 Why do the gits constantly talk about LOTR? Its kinda of gay.

Posted by: Donovan at September 05, 2024 03:39 PM (FmapG)

108 69 after LOTR, I'll read the hobbit, and then I'm on to re-read a lot of Conan. Not all of it, just some of the good ones.

Then I'll have to try to work through Elric. I gave up, I think, around the fourth book (out of the first six books).
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Good news is Conan stories read fast. Bad news is, "some of the good ones" can taken in a lot, and they're not all by Howard. I've never made it through all of the Elric stories myself, although I haven't gone out of my way to complete the set either. Elric is a guy who can really get on my nerves with his Stormbringer bromance doing more harm than a lot of the Chaos Lords & Animal Lords.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:39 PM (W+kMI)

109 Why do the gits constantly talk about LOTR? Its kinda of gay.

Asked and answered.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 05, 2024 03:40 PM (xCA6C)

110 >>>Eh, that's more like two-thirds done.

seriously it's not, the first half is a lot of track-laying, now I'm in the cart and racing down the tracks. I'm at page 277 of 392 or whatever, and it's mostly fast paced stuff from here.

I was surprised at how good Many Meetings and the Council of Elrond were. I remember them being boring, but they're not. A lot of details are filled in and we get to see Frodo talking with Gloin from the Hobbit.

Posted by: Alfie at September 05, 2024 03:40 PM (KRtlO)

111 "when an author gets the "use lively words" memo and just uses a find/replace tool to add in words they obviously never use."

What an atrocious and regressive ejaculation of arbitrary frivolity!

Posted by: Ribbed at September 05, 2024 03:40 PM (B0mGw)

112 106 Remember, the book is supposed to be one long novel. It was only split into three volumes due to post-war paper shortages.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:39 PM (VdhcA)

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1st. True.

B. Doesn't mean that there can't be editorial decisions after the production decision.

Trois: It's still 6 volumes, and starting volume 3 with a major end is odd.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:40 PM (GBKbO)

113
"That and his Gap series are great but horribly depressing."
Posted by: 18-1 at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (oZhjI)

I don't need to read depressing novels . If I want depressing I can just read on here.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 05, 2024 03:40 PM (5R97S)

114 You gotta wonder, if the Big Guy is fully demented, but still alive - if the Trump DOJ charged him with serious (and almost certainly accurate) charges of espionage, embezzlement, bribery, etc, and then went to him offering him immunity to flip on the old man, would he do it?

I think he'd do it if he believed his Dad doesn't know the difference either way.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at September 05, 2024 03:41 PM (5C4od)

115 I was surprised at how good Many Meetings and the Council of Elrond were. I remember them being boring, but they're not. A lot of details are filled in and we get to see Frodo talking with Gloin from the Hobbit.

Posted by: Alfie at

Father of Gimli, from Lord of the Rings

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 05, 2024 03:41 PM (CIS44)

116 @107

>>Why do the gits constantly talk about LOTR? Its kinda of gay.

Well, besides Shakespeare, it's the greatest thing written in the English language.

So, it's got that going for it.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 05, 2024 03:41 PM (XV/Pl)

117 110 I was surprised at how good Many Meetings and the Council of Elrond were. I remember them being boring, but they're not. A lot of details are filled in and we get to see Frodo talking with Gloin from the Hobbit.

Posted by: Alfie at September 05, 2024 03:40 PM (KRtlO)

=========

"Just wait until you see how I would have improved the meeting with Galadriel."
-John Boorman

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:41 PM (GBKbO)

118 So what I'm hearing is that Hunter never paid his Fair Share (tm) ?

Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 03:41 PM (v0R5T)

119 >>>Good news is Conan stories read fast. Bad news is, "some of the good ones" can taken in a lot, and they're not all by Howard

I'm not a tourist, I've read them all, I have the del ray editions. It's another re-read, but I'm going to skip a lot of the lamer, repetitive ones, like Iron Shadows on the Moon and Black Colossus which, if I remember things right, are essentially the same story.

though in one conan clubs a judge in the head with a joint of mutton and kills him, which is a nice moment

Posted by: Alfie at September 05, 2024 03:41 PM (KRtlO)

120 I upgraded my mouse from a basic Dell 4K93W to a Logitech MX Master 3S. I know it's just a mouse, but the difference between the two is huge. It's like going from a Chevy Cavalier to a Mercedes S class. Would recommend.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (Odg76)

121 74 Something interesting is happening in NYC.

FBI have confiscated the phones of NYPD Commissioner Caban, a Lieutenant, and a Sgt.

http://tiny.cc/4zykzz
Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (Odg76)

Did they announce they were supporting Trump or something?

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (xhfG9)

122 After the Willy Wonka / Dune crossover cinematic universe spends itself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (GBKbO)

Aren't the Oompa-Loompas bascially the Fremen?

Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (D7oie)

123 BFYWBM
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Beer From Your Way Back Machine?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (VdhcA)

124 Why do the gits constantly talk about LOTR? Its kinda of gay.

Well, besides Shakespeare, it's the greatest thing written in the English language.

So, it's got that going for it.

Moby Dick says "whutta loada crap".

Posted by: Archimedes at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (xCA6C)

125 116 Well, besides Shakespeare, it's the greatest thing written in the English language.

So, it's got that going for it.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 05, 2024 03:41 PM (XV/Pl)

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Well, those two and Captain Underpants.

It's practically a three-way tie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (GBKbO)

126 thomas covenant sounds real hard core,

Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (PXvVL)

127 I was surprised to rediscover references to the Silmarils dotted throughout.

Gonna have the read The Silmarillion now to figure out what it's all about.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (GBKbO)

If you don't like reading histories or mythologies you might find it a slog. But you might like the First Age elves - Kinslaying, ditching most of their followers and stealing ships, the other group walking across a frozen continent to get to Middle Earth, betrayals, curses and finally getting the gems back to find they are too evil now to touch them.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (n7h9X)

128 53 After the Willy Wonka / Dune crossover cinematic universe spends itself.

oompa loompa doompity doo
we've got another riddle for you
oompa loompa doompity dice
nothing good comes from snorting the spice

Posted by: oompa loompas at September 05, 2024 03:43 PM (oY6Yp)

129
Well, besides Shakespeare, it's the greatest thing written in the English language.

bro

Posted by: Milton at September 05, 2024 03:43 PM (NGHTx)

130 I don't think you can BFYWBM in federal court.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 05, 2024 03:38 PM (KAi1n)

But F*ck You While Biting Meatstick?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:43 PM (Zz0t1)

131 I like when Obi One tells Frodo that there is no spoon.

Posted by: ... at September 05, 2024 03:43 PM (uujoW)

132 Shipwreckedcrew
@shipwreckedcrew
Alford pleas require DOJ consent.

In 21 years at DOJ I never heard of a case where DOJ consented....
_______

There's a first time for everything.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 05, 2024 03:43 PM (BBoum)

133
Mrs. Milton found John Milton boring.

Posted by: that professor at Faber who smokes pot and shows his ass at September 05, 2024 03:44 PM (KRtlO)

134 Remember, the book is supposed to be one long novel. It was only split into three volumes due to post-war paper shortages.

Ok, but I gotta think marketing was a factor. Buying one third of a huge-ass book is way cheaper than buying the huge ass-book all at once.

And if you don't like it, you don't buy the others. If you do, then the total cost is at least spread out.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at September 05, 2024 03:44 PM (1Idb6)

135 As a precious Norm, if only NeverTrump had fought to preserve me sooner.

Posted by: Zombie Norm MacDonald at September 05, 2024 03:44 PM (1QdCs)

136 SPOILERS

no I mean seriously dude, I know what's coming up next, though you did spoil what I had forgotten, that Legolas crit-hits a Nazgul

Posted by: Alfie at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (KRtlO)

just his flying pony

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 03:44 PM (n7h9X)

137 Mrs. Milton found John Milton boring.

Posted by: that professor at Faber who smokes pot and shows his ass

Eh, it's a job. I'm not joking. This is my job!

Posted by: Archimedes at September 05, 2024 03:44 PM (xCA6C)

138 Why not talk about The Wind In The Willows? Nothing gay there.

Posted by: Donovan at September 05, 2024 03:45 PM (FmapG)

139 80 Vladmir Vladmirovich Putin endorses Kamala Harris:

https://tinyurl.com/mujmtndx
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (uxCna)

So, Mr. Colbert, does this mean that Kamala has gone from Willie Brown's cock holster to Putin's cock holster?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 05, 2024 03:45 PM (KbCG3)

140 >>>I was surprised to rediscover references to the Silmarils dotted throughout.

now that I know a little of the simarillion, not from reading it, but from geeks on youtube, yeah, I caught a bunch of mentions, particularly in the Rivendell parts.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:45 PM (KRtlO)

141 What have YOU done today?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:25 PM (GBKbO)
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Well I'm not wearing pants!
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, ha un petto magnifico #23 at September 05, 2024 03:38 PM (qfLjt)

Is that the achievement, or excuse for no achievements?

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2024 03:45 PM (xhfG9)

142 Then I'll have to try to work through Elric. I gave up, I think, around the fourth book (out of the first six books).
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (KRtlO)

I suggest the Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser series or Chronicles of Amber. I liked both better than Moorcock. Moorcock has his moments but the others are fun.

Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 03:45 PM (D7oie)

143 Like I said, I bet this is how it all winds up working for "Huntie," the absolutely most-privileged rich, useless, legacy white man the world has ever known.

---------------

#NeverTrumpNepots hardest hit ...

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (Chycm)

144 If you can plead guilty, declare that you were not guilty, and then sue anyone who says you were, why didn't Trump do this?

Oh. Two tiered justice. I forgot.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (wBaIH)

145 My client pleads nolo contenedre to shooting the sherrif.

Posted by: Bob Marley's Attorney at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (krQz2)

146 140 >>>I was surprised to rediscover references to the Silmarils dotted throughout.

now that I know a little of the simarillion, not from reading it, but from geeks on youtube, yeah, I caught a bunch of mentions, particularly in the Rivendell parts.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:45 PM (KRtlO)

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I actually read it in high school. The only thing I remember is the creation myth that starts it. It was beautiful reading.

Nothing else sat in my memory.

Now though, I'm reading something else I started in high school and I'm pretty sure I never finished (for probably good reason): Chapterhouse Dune.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (GBKbO)

147 93
SPOILERS

no I mean seriously dude, I know what's coming up next, though you did spoil what I had forgotten, that Legolas crit-hits a Nazgul
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As the near-eternal DM/GM I always regard Legolas as the player who shows up at the game, gets minimally involved in the action while playing a game on his tablet, but when he does get involved, his dice explode, and he runs up a truly ridiculous score with little effort.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (W+kMI)

148
Donaldson clearly used the profits from the first trilogy to buy a REALLY BIG thesaurus to use in the second trilogy.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:34 PM (VdhcA)

Nah. It was a gift from that Stephen Weber actor on Wings.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 05, 2024 03:47 PM (y9nCu)

149 117 "Just wait until you see how I would have improved the meeting with Galadriel."
-John Boorman

hmmm. *takes notes* tom bombadil rapping about goldberry

Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 03:47 PM (oY6Yp)

150 First, they hook you with Lord of the Rings. Then they move on to Star Trek. Pretty soon you're fitting yourself for a pocket protector.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 05, 2024 03:47 PM (2UnvF)

151 >>>I suggest the Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser series or Chronicles of Amber. I liked both better than Moorcock. Moorcock has his moments but the others are fun.

oh i love amber, just re-read it a couple of years ago, and bought the old science fiction book club editions I had as a kid off of Abe Books.

Also I've read a lot of the Fafhrd and Grey Mouser books, but, to my shame, never read them all. Some stories I've read six times, many I've never read.

I love the one where Fafhrd winds up walking down the street like Issek of the Jug. It's a whole story set up for one big joke at the end, but it's funny.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (KRtlO)

152 150 First, they hook you with Lord of the Rings. Then they move on to Star Trek. Pretty soon you're fitting yourself for a pocket protector.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 05, 2024 03:47 PM (2UnvF)

========

NERDS!!!!!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (GBKbO)

153 thomas covenant sounds real hard core,
Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (PXvVL)

The Land was quite a creation. Covenant, not so much but you could understand his rigidity.

The second trilogy added one sentence of additional lore for 3 big books.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (n7h9X)

154 Consider another angle:

By tossing this grenade, he upsets the court schedule.

And, wouldn't you know it, the next trial date isn't until after the election.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (oCvig)

155 If you can plead guilty, declare that you were not guilty, and then sue anyone who says you were, why didn't Trump do this?

Oh. Two tiered justice. I forgot.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (wBaIH)
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Merchan did not allow Trump's defense.

Posted by: Axeman at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (krQz2)

156 Biden can wait until after the election to pardon Hunter.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 05, 2024 03:37 PM (uxCna)

if he is still breathing, and not completely non-verbal.

Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (D7oie)

157 "Amber" is so good that I'm always thinking of cool stories to write but then I stop and go, "Oh wait, this is just Chronicles of Amber again."

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (KRtlO)

158 Fox chyron right now: Trump Advisor: We need to focus on policy

Right. Because that is apparently what people are looking for right now. Policy.

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2024 03:49 PM (xhfG9)

159 Today is 6 November 2024 and today Trump was reelected as the 47th President of the US.

Today also President Joe Biden announced a PARDON for all of his family.

Posted by: CNN Breaking News at September 05, 2024 03:49 PM (aj3Iu)

160 As the near-eternal DM/GM I always regard Legolas as the player who shows up at the game, gets minimally involved in the action while playing a game on his tablet, but when he does get involved, his dice explode, and he runs up a truly ridiculous score with little effort.
Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (W+kMI)
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Tolkien himself noted that, of the members of the Fellowship, Legolas was the one who accomplished the least. Probably in keeping with the diminishing influence of the Elves in Middle Earth.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:49 PM (VdhcA)

161 Hunter Biden, the 54 year old man with no job except art laundering. But then again, if you are Hunter, staying out of the clink is a full time job and expensive. His buddy lawyer said that the money has all dried up to pay Hunter's lawyers, so who is footing the bill now? Dad?

Posted by: Cheri at September 05, 2024 03:49 PM (oiNtH)

162 160 Tolkien himself noted that, of the members of the Fellowship, Legolas was the one who accomplished the least. Probably in keeping with the diminishing influence of the Elves in Middle Earth.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:49 PM (VdhcA)

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"Yeah...I totally meant that. Did it on purpose."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:49 PM (GBKbO)

163 119 >>>Good news is Conan stories read fast.
_____

My teenage self appreciated scenes where Conan's current companion/sparring woman 'leapt from underneath her bearskin coverlets to challenge the Hyrkanian interlopers wearing aught but what the gods had given her and her trusted Scythian cutlass'

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 05, 2024 03:50 PM (BBoum)

164 161 Hunter Biden, the 54 year old man with no job except art laundering.

i could've used some good art laundering

Posted by: ecce homo at September 05, 2024 03:50 PM (oY6Yp)

165 Now though, I'm reading something else I started in high school and I'm pretty sure I never finished (for probably good reason): Chapterhouse Dune.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (GBKbO)

Dune was the first book I didn't finish reading. That includes encyclopedias.

I remember his mom making him stick a hand in a box.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 03:50 PM (n7h9X)

166 After the Willy Wonka / Dune crossover cinematic universe spends itself.
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Aren't the Oompa-Loompas bascially the Fremen?
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Talk about your multiverse of madness.

Posted by: Ribbed at September 05, 2024 03:50 PM (B0mGw)

167 The real Tolkien nerds talk about Farmer Giles of Ham.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 05, 2024 03:50 PM (aSUcN)

168 I love the one where Fafhrd winds up walking down the street like Issek of the Jug. It's a whole story set up for one big joke at the end, but it's funny.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (KRtlO)
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"Lean Times in Lankhmar." That one has an absolutely hilarious climax. One of my faves.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (VdhcA)

169 So, Mr. Colbert, does this mean that Kamala has gone from Willie Brown's cock holster to Putin's cock holster?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 05, 2024 03:45 PM (KbCG3)

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"Vlady ride Kommie bareback!"

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (A6FSC)

170 First, they hook you with Lord of the Rings. Then they move on to Star Trek. Pretty soon you're fitting yourself for a pocket protector.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 05, 2024 03:47 PM (2UnvF)
_______

Or sucking dick ...

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (iFTx/)

171 105 "Huntie," the absolutely most-privileged rich, useless, legacy white man the world has ever known.
.....

Besides his father.
Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 03:39 PM (v0R5T)

Prince Harry the Ginger Gimp would like a word.

Posted by: Auspex at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (j4U/Z)

172 Donaldson clearly used the profits from the first trilogy to buy a REALLY BIG thesaurus to use in the second trilogy.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:34 PM (VdhcA)

Exactly.

In some sections I had to look up a word just about every freaking page.
I am still not sure what exactly he was trying to say, especially in thise last books.

Lord Foul's Bane was not bad.
First trilogy is decent.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (ufFY8)

173 now that I know a little of the simarillion, not from reading it, but from geeks on youtube, yeah, I caught a bunch of mentions, particularly in the Rivendell parts.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:45 PM (KRtlO)
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The Silmarillion is written in a very different style from LOTR. Much more formal and archaic, but also quite beautiful and poetic if you have the patience to work through it.

TONS of history and lore that is relevant to LOTR, of course.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (7fElN)

174 >>>My teenage self appreciated scenes where Conan's current companion/sparring woman 'leapt from underneath her bearskin coverlets to challenge the Hyrkanian interlopers wearing aught but what the gods had given her and her trusted Scythian cutlass'

My sadly-passed friend steve_in_hb liked saying Conan's insults, like "Stygian dogs" and of course the pseudo-Jewish put-down, "Shemite curs."

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (KRtlO)

175 163 My teenage self appreciated scenes where Conan's current companion/sparring woman 'leapt from underneath her bearskin coverlets to challenge the Hyrkanian interlopers wearing aught but what the gods had given her and her trusted Scythian cutlass'

it's funny because she's a lass who cuts

Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (oY6Yp)

176 The real Tolkien nerds talk about Farmer Giles of Ham.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 05, 2024 03:50 PM (aSUcN)
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It's a good 'un.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (VdhcA)

177 What have YOU done today?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott
.......

Got up, made coffee, brushed my teeth, shave, shower, came to work, went grocery shopping, went home, stocked the frig, paid the gardener, got a sandwich, came back to work, now I'm eating my sandwich and Donettes. Been pretty busy and I'm not done yet!

Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 03:52 PM (v0R5T)

178 The Dune books are excellent if you read them as political thrillers. The universe is fascinating and the premise is believable. They are without a doubt my favorite books.

Posted by: Ribbed at September 05, 2024 03:52 PM (B0mGw)

179 The real Tolkien nerds talk about Farmer Giles of Ham.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 05, 2024 03:50 PM (aSUcN)
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Or Smith of Wooton Major

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 03:52 PM (7fElN)

180 Boromir's ending being at the start of The Two Towers was always just a weird place for it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott

Like Janet Liegh dying 1/3 of the way through Psycho.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (L/fGl)

181 And I never want to read anything by Stephen R Donaldson again after reading "The Mirror of her Dreams" and loathing it so much I tooted it in the trash.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (dTTBf)

182 178 The Dune books are excellent if you read them as political thrillers. The universe is fascinating and the premise is believable. They are without a doubt my favorite books.
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Meh. Read Dune and loved it. Read Dune Messiah and never read another Dune thereafter.

Posted by: Donovan at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (FmapG)

183
Now though, I'm reading something else I started in high school and I'm pretty sure I never finished (for probably good reason): Chapterhouse Dune.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:46 PM (GBKbO)

That book did it for me with Dune. I enjoyed the books until that one. I read the ones by his son, which explained the Butlerian Jihad, the rivalry between Atreides and Harkonnen, and the origen of Mentats, and it was long, drawn out and a bit grotesque, but helped set the stage for the Dune books somewhat. I got halfway through Silmarillion and had to stop. It required notes, charts and commentaries to understand it.

Posted by: Moki at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (wLjpr)

184 I read The Hobbit books back in high school.

Never looked back.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)

185 The Farmer Maggot is the most badass character in all of Middle Earth.

He should have been in the Fellowship.

"The Nazgul are coming, hide!"

"Fuck that noise. Come here, dogs. We got some wraiths to fuck up."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (GBKbO)

186 Tossed not Toltec.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (NmRlh)

187 I fixed two doorknobs AND made on obscure classical allusion.
All before lunch.
Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 03:36 PM (D7oie)
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Euphonism for sure. Took care of two knobs...ok. But, the classical allusion...it was an Oedipus reference?

Posted by: Orson at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (dIske)

188 Children of Dune makes Dune Messiah better. God Emperor is the pinnacle.

Look at them now! Look at what they do while I write these things! Ha!

Posted by: Ribbed at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (B0mGw)

189 142 Then I'll have to try to work through Elric. I gave up, I think, around the fourth book (out of the first six books).
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:33 PM (KRtlO)

I suggest the Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser series or Chronicles of Amber. I liked both better than Moorcock. Moorcock has his moments but the others are fun.
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The Hawkmoon series was better than Elric, to my mind. I really got into The Chronicles of Amber, and it remains a favorite. (I was told by a friend NOT to read the follow-up series.) Imaginative, the best Byronic hero since Byron, and Zelazny drops bon mot lines through the whole thing. I also recommend the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath, which was Lovecraft's fantasy epic (for him) which for some reason was rejected by Weird Tales. Cat fanciers will enjoy parts of it.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (W+kMI)

190 i mean... that was my whole point...
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:31 PM (KRtlO)

Heh, sorry. I have a drama queen situation here, with someone threatening to kill themselves, so I didn't read the post.

Anyhoo, carry on.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (dGCAG)

191 oh there's one conan story I never finished -- Treasure of Treskalos or whatever it's called. I think I read that conan enters that story late and I just got lazy waiting so I stopped reading it.

that's the one I haven't read.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (KRtlO)

192 "...the deal to get joe to fall on his sword."

except joe is still alive

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (+H2BX)

193 183 That book did it for me with Dune. I enjoyed the books until that one. I read the ones by his son, which explained the Butlerian Jihad, the rivalry between Atreides and Harkonnen, and the origen of Mentats, and it was long, drawn out and a bit grotesque, but helped set the stage for the Dune books somewhat. I got halfway through Silmarillion and had to stop. It required notes, charts and commentaries to understand it.
Posted by: Moki at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (wLjpr)

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My goal is to read Chapterhouse and then the two direct sequels that Brian wrote finishing out the planned trilogy (which he made into a quatrology for money, probably).

Then, I'll be done with Dune. I don't need to read the rest.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (GBKbO)

194 The Dune books are good if you just read the first one and no others.

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (xhfG9)

195 36 Hunter's nightmare has to be that Senile Joe dies unexpectedly in office, and President Kamala welshes on the deal to give him a pardon.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 05, 2024 03:28 PM (uxCna)
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Autopen?

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, ha un petto proprio magnifico #23 at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (qfLjt)

196 Heh, sorry. I have a drama queen situation here, with someone threatening to kill themselves, so I didn't read the post.

Anyhoo, carry on.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (dGCAG)

Well, this seems significant.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (Zz0t1)

197 His buddy lawyer said that the money has all dried up to pay Hunter's lawyers, so who is footing the bill now? Dad?
Posted by: Cheri

Somehow I get the feeling we are.

Posted by: American Taxpayers at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (v0R5T)

198 Seattle area repeat offender Jahmed Haynes carjacked an 80 year old dogwalker, stabbed her dog to death, and killed the octogenarian with her own car.

http://tiny.cc/41zkzz

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (Odg76)

199 Decades before Terry Pratchett described dragons like nervous terriers, there was Farmer Giles of Ham.

>tom bombadil rapping about goldberry
The opera singer descending into 90s rap was the worst moment in The Fifth Element, and maybe all of cinema.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (cf/0E)

200 I think I got as far as God Emperor back in the day,

Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (PXvVL)

201 I can only imagine what the relationship is behind the scenes between the Mayor of NYC and the Police Commissioner on down. If this was an episode of Bluebloods, Frank Reagan would have told Eric Adams to eat shit and the cops would have staged a massive walk out.

Posted by: Cheri at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (oiNtH)

202 Or sucking dick ...
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (iFTx/)

Good gosh, that escalated quickly.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (dGCAG)

203 It required notes, charts and commentaries to understand it.
Posted by: Moki at September 05, 2024 03:53 PM (wLjpr)
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We've got them all right here!

Posted by: 12 volumes of The History of Middle Earth at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (VdhcA)

204 171 105 "Huntie," the absolutely most-privileged rich, useless, legacy white man the world has ever known.

Prince Harry the Ginger Gimp would like a word.
Posted by: Auspex at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (j4U/Z)

My mistake, Harry the Cuck is what I meant. Besides, he and MATT DAMON are scheduled to address a Clinton Foundation hoo ha, which puts him a step above Hunter.

And, yes, the Just us department will give him what he wants.

Posted by: Auspex at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (j4U/Z)

205 202 Good gosh, that escalated quickly.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (dGCAG)

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Brick killed a guy with a trident.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (GBKbO)

206 Heh, sorry. I have a drama queen situation here, with someone threatening to kill themselves, so I didn't read the post.

Anyhoo, carry on.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (dGCAG)

Well, this seems significant.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (Zz0t1)

A bit concerning, even.

Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (P+809)

207 Used, wide range probe for sale.
Comes with an on/off switch.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (fuL9F)

208 Putin has endorsed Kamala. Oh, Liz! What hath you done!

Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (pZEOD)

209 Consider another angle:

By tossing this grenade, he upsets the court schedule.

And, wouldn't you know it, the next trial date isn't until after the election.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 05, 2024 03:48 PM (oCvig)

Hmmm. *taps chin*

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (g8Ew8)

210 I made ace laugh.

What have YOU done today?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

I mowed my lawn. It's very dry, mostly brown, and crunchy and I didn't mow for two weeks. Now I have the itchy watery eyes and drippy nose.
We haven't had measurable rain in at least 3 weeks.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (4XwPj)

211 thomas covenant sounds real hard core,
Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (PXvVL)

No, I mean it is a lot of complaining and self doubt and self hatred and a disfunctional world and unpleasant characters from the top to the bottom

Robert E Howard did it better because his characters had a basic concept of nobility to them, Leiber's characters had a lot of joy in their own achievements, and I think Donaldson's seemed to only to have arrogance.

Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (D7oie)

212 Well, this seems significant.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (Zz0t1)

Ace's post? Yes.

My drama queen "crisis," this is what I deal with. I make sure to give everyone the time and attention they deserve.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (dGCAG)

213 What have YOU done today?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott
.......

Got up, made coffee, brushed my teeth, shave, shower, came to work, went grocery shopping, went home, stocked the frig, paid the gardener, got a sandwich, came back to work, now I'm eating my sandwich and Donettes. Been pretty busy and I'm not done yet!

Woke up, got out of bed, dragged a comb across my head
Made my way downstairs and had a cup, and somebody spoke and I went into a dream

Posted by: Archimedes at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (xCA6C)

214
Cernovich
@Cernovich
Trump has never been more popular. I
don’t even know how to process it in my mental model. If this were 2016, I’d “bet the farm” that he wins. ITS SO OBVIOUS.

Right not we are beyond the margin of cheating.

It’s still going to be close.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (TGPs7)

215 you think of the Russian punk and the Mafia punk in the first two books, they had to die in the worst way possible,

Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (PXvVL)

216 oh there's one conan story I never finished -- Treasure of Treskalos or whatever it's called. I think I read that conan enters that story late and I just got lazy waiting so I stopped reading it.

that's the one I haven't read.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (KRtlO)
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Have you read the Solomon Kane series? or Kull the Conqueror?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (7fElN)

217 The Silmarillion is written in a very different style from LOTR. Much more formal and archaic, but also quite beautiful and poetic if you have the patience to work through it.

TONS of history and lore that is relevant to LOTR, of course.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (7fElN)

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Haven't read it. Sounds boring.

Posted by: Writers of The Rings of Power at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (2UnvF)

218 We've got them all right here!
Posted by: 12 volumes of The History of Middle Earth at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (VdhcA)

I wish I'd had them back before I was 29, when I half-read the Silmarillion!!

Good luck BurtTC, that's a difficult situation to be in.

Posted by: Moki at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (wLjpr)

219 >>>194 The Dune books are good if you just read the first one and no others.

i should finally embrace my geek nature and read that.

Oh, when I was a kid, I did read the Star Trek Readers by James Blish. Blish took the series shooting scripts and wrote them into novelettes.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (KRtlO)

220 Is this a "hurry up and resolve this" so I can get my pardon thingy before the old man croaks?

Posted by: Orson at September 05, 2024 03:32 PM

The pardon is already done and signed. It just hasn't been published in the federal register.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (QNSds)

221
I upgraded my mouse from a basic Dell 4K93W to a Logitech MX Master 3S. I know it's just a mouse, but the difference between the two is huge. It's like going from a Chevy Cavalier to a Mercedes S class. Would recommend.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:42 PM (Odg76)

I have three of the MX Masters, they're the shiznit.

Logitec keyboards however, stick with the mechanicals. The soft-key units tend to do weird random shit.

To make matters worse, Lenovo laptop bluetooth interfaces are shit, no matter what brand or type of keyboard you use.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (y9nCu)

222 A bit concerning, even.
Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2024 03:56 PM (P+809)

No, really. It's just work.

It's why they pay me the big bucks.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (dGCAG)

223 > The Silmarillion is written in a very different style from LOTR. Much more formal and archaic, but also quite beautiful and poetic if you have the patience to work through it.

I've read the King James Bible for years. The Silmarillion uses very similar language and flow.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (Odg76)

224 Haven't read it. Sounds boring.
Posted by: Writers of The Rings of Power at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (2UnvF)
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You didn't even bother to read the Cliffs Notes for Lord of the Rings.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (7fElN)

225 I do not re-read a lot of books. Lord of the Rings and Saberhagen's Empire of the East (and some of the Books of Swords) I do re-read every couple of years. I've also read Lonesome Dove at least thrice.

Last time I read LoTR was when I was in Montana in 2021 helping Mom care for my Dad, who *loved* Lord of the Rings.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (Ad8y9)

226 Somehow I get the feeling we are.
Posted by: American Taxpayers at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (v0R5T)

Indirectly. I mean, out of the hundreds of billions of dollars "going to Ukraine" ....

The US Military recently admitted/announced that they accidentally sent $230M to the Taliban. And we aren't even funding Afghanistan any more.

So Hunter's attorneys - Mark Geragos, what a slimy creature - probably are swimming Scrooge McDuck-like in a solid gold pool filled with $100 bills.

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (xhfG9)

227 Pretty funny a post about a drugged out idiot turns into a semi-erudite book thread.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (ufFY8)

228 The Silmarillion is written in a very different style from LOTR. Much more formal and archaic, but also quite beautiful and poetic if you have the patience to work through it.

TONS of history and lore that is relevant to LOTR, of course.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (7fElN)

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Haven't read it. Sounds boring.

Posted by: Writers of The Rings of Power at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM
\

It is, don't waste your time.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (QNSds)

229 219 i should finally embrace my geek nature and read that.

Oh, when I was a kid, I did read the Star Trek Readers by James Blish. Blish took the series shooting scripts and wrote them into novelettes.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (KRtlO)

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The first one has such stature that it kind of feels like required reading for people who like scifi-fantasy.

I like some of the sequels (Children is actually my favorite of them all), but...really...influence is limited to the first one.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (GBKbO)

230 >>>Have you read the Solomon Kane series? or Kull the Conqueror?

I read half of the Kane ones -- still have to finish those. To be honest, I think I only read two of them. I do have to finish those.

I never started the Kull ones, or Bran Mac Morn, or any of the other howard stuff. I'm a little curious to read his real-world adventure stuff, like the one about the boxer who travels around the world punching people (and monsters?)

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (KRtlO)

231 159 Today is 6 November 2024 and today Trump was reelected as the 47th President of the US.

Today also President Joe Biden announced a PARDON for all of his family.
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I won't say you're wrong....

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (W+kMI)

232 He's not going to have to pay back taxes penalties and interest on the grifted money is he.

Posted by: torabora at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (4QEFC)

233 Prince Harry the Ginger Gimp would like a word.
Posted by: Auspex

Nobody listens to that asshole.

Posted by: The Royal Family at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (v0R5T)

234 Good luck BurtTC, that's a difficult situation to be in.
Posted by: Moki at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (wLjpr)

Sorry, I really didn't mean to make it sound like something it isn't.

Do I take it seriously? Yes, but it's being handled.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (dGCAG)

235 Seattle area repeat offender Jahmed Haynes carjacked an 80 year old dogwalker, stabbed her dog to death, and killed the octogenarian with her own car.

http://tiny.cc/41zkzz
Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (Odg76)

I blame White Supremacy.

Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (P+809)

236 Oh, when I was a kid, I did read the Star Trek Readers by James Blish. Blish took the series shooting scripts and wrote them into novelettes.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (KRtlO)

I have the complete set printed in the 70s. I wonder if they are worth anything.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (ufFY8)

237 The *biden's have been tax cheats all their lives. The whole clan deserves to be under the prison.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 05, 2024 04:01 PM (Q4IgG)

238
The opera singer descending into 90s rap was the worst moment in The Fifth Element, and maybe all of cinema.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (cf/0E)

I always thought that was one of the best parts, and it wasn’t rap, it was a unique type of techno-synth. It fit for music by some advanced alien.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 05, 2024 04:01 PM (fIpti)

239 ace, since this is a book club, I really liked Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories, and the Oswald Bastible offshoots. I liked them better than the Elric stories that I read.

Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 04:01 PM (D7oie)

240 230 I read half of the Kane ones -- still have to finish those. To be honest, I think I only read two of them. I do have to finish those.

I never started the Kull ones, or Bran Mac Morn, or any of the other howard stuff. I'm a little curious to read his real-world adventure stuff, like the one about the boxer who travels around the world punching people (and monsters?)

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (KRtlO)

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Howard killed himself right as Solomon Kane was getting good. He was on this warpath through Africa. I think the last one has Greek harpies in it with implications that he's going to be facing off against more Greek stuff to come.

Kull is just proto-Conan.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

241 Logitec keyboards however, stick with the mechanicals. The soft-key units tend to do weird random shit.

To make matters worse, Lenovo laptop bluetooth interfaces are shit, no matter what brand or type of keyboard you use.

I've had a Ducky One mechanical keyboard for a few years now. It's too clicky for an office environment, but I work at home, so it's fine. I love the Ducky keyboard.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 04:01 PM (Odg76)

242 Still looking for Blish's Black Easter(?). Some dude on utube (bookpilled?) thought it was awesome.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:02 PM (ufFY8)

243 Oh, when I was a kid, I did read the Star Trek Readers by James Blish. Blish took the series shooting scripts and wrote them into novelettes.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (KRtlO)

I have the complete set printed in the 70s. I wonder if they are worth anything.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (ufFY

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I have the two-volume omnibus edition...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 04:02 PM (7fElN)

244 243 I have the complete set printed in the 70s. I wonder if they are worth anything.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (ufFY
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I have the two-volume omnibus edition...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 04:02 PM (7fElN)

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I have a rock.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:02 PM (GBKbO)

245 ace, since this is a book club, I really liked Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories, and the Oswald Bastible offshoots. I liked them better than the Elric stories that I read.
Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 04:01 PM (D7oie)
_______

"Fuck you!"

-- Elric of Melnibone

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 04:02 PM (iFTx/)

246 The Hawkmoon series was better than Elric, to my mind. I really got into The Chronicles of Amber, and it remains a favorite. (I was told by a friend NOT to read the follow-up series.) Imaginative, the best Byronic hero since Byron, and Zelazny drops bon mot lines through the whole thing. I also recommend the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath, which was Lovecraft's fantasy epic (for him) which for some reason was rejected by Weird Tales. Cat fanciers will enjoy parts of it.
Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:54 PM (W+kMI)

I was the opposite on Lovecraft - the "Dream" stuff was boring, but the stories where he makes his friend get eaten by an unknown horror just because the friend had done the same thing are cool.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:02 PM (n7h9X)

247 ace, since this is a book club, I really liked Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories, and the Oswald Bastible offshoots. I liked them better than the Elric stories that I read.
Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 04:01 PM (D7oie)
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I like Moorcock, but I couldn't stand the Jerry Cornelius series. Those were nonsense gibberish to me.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (7fElN)

248 You didn't even bother to read the Cliffs Notes for Lord of the Rings.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (7fElN)

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That's because we have to reflect the world we live in today!

Posted by: Writers of The Rings of Power at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (2UnvF)

249
WTF is this bullshit?

Is this like the Chewbacca Defense?

Or the Twinkie Defense?

Is the Bill Clinton "I Smoked Pot But Didn't Inhale Defense?"

Posted by: Soothsayer bottom lines it for you at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (ANeHG)

250 Pretty funny a post about a drugged out idiot turns into a semi-erudite book thread.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
......

OK. I'm in the middle of Corelli's Mandolin. Funny book, I read it 20 years ago and forgot most of it.

Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (v0R5T)

251 Speaking of books that guys like, I just started Saint-Exupery's "Wind Sand and Stars." I'm enjoying it very much.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (Odg76)

252 i should finally embrace my geek nature and read that.

Oh, when I was a kid, I did read the Star Trek Readers by James Blish. Blish took the series shooting scripts and wrote them into novelettes.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (KRtlO)

I am in a Zoom book club that has been going on for 4 years. We started by (re)reading Dune because the movie was due out and then worked through all 6 of the Frank Herbert books (they got progressively weirder). Then we started picking things off the Hugo list (pre-2000) and for most of us it was a re-read. Then we branched out to some newer stuff. It's been like a college degree in Sci-Fi.

Some of the older stuff holds up well. Some, doesn't.

Posted by: blaster at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (xhfG9)

253 Ugghhh. Like others above, I found that Donaldson's 2nd Covenant series really didn't move the story along. And it supposedly was the wrap-up to the first trilogy.

I checked and he's written a 3rd set (The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant). With four books in it.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (/HDaX)

254 The opera singer descending into 90s rap was the worst moment in The Fifth Element, and maybe all of cinema.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 05, 2024 03:55 PM (cf/0E)

I always thought that was one of the best parts, and it wasn’t rap, it was a unique type of techno-synth. It fit for music by some advanced alien.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 05, 2024 04:01 PM (fIpti)

I loved that part. The Diva had a beautiful voice.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (Ad8y9)

255 The opera singer descending into 90s rap was the worst moment in The Fifth Element, and maybe all of cinema.
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Well, more like operatic beatboxing.

I've heard it was supposed to be kinda a gag, that no human was capable of singing that range, that quickly.

But, some opera singer did it a few years back.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (oCvig)

256 I'm a little confused. Wasn't Alford, Bruce Wayne's Butler? But that would make Joe Biden the actual Joker, and some people just want to see the world burn.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (Da7Vv)

257 In a pinch, Kamala will give the horn dog a pardon but he will have to mow her lawn a few times.

Posted by: torabora at September 05, 2024 04:03 PM (4QEFC)

258 The Silmarillion is written in a very different style from LOTR. Much more formal and archaic, but also quite beautiful and poetic if you have the patience to work through it.

TONS of history and lore that is relevant to LOTR, of course.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 03:51 PM (7fElN)

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Haven't read it. Sounds boring.
Posted by: Writers of The Rings of Power at September 05, 2024 03:57 PM (2UnvF)

Not after you've earned the coveted plastic pocket protector.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 05, 2024 04:04 PM (g8Ew8)

259 I have decided upon being elected POTUS I will take action on a service that is near and dear to my heart.

Just like insulin being capped at $35 I will sign an Executive Order on my first day in Office to cap Blow Jobs at $35 per each service.

Posted by: Kamal Harris at September 05, 2024 04:04 PM (Mig/N)

260 I plead guilty to being a sex machine with a huge cock.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 05, 2024 04:04 PM (8TfNm)

261 i've heard good stuff about jerry cornelius from "Outlaw Bookseller" on youtube. Hawkmoon sounds interesting too.

I finally read a book I've known about for years, Norman Spinrad's "The Iron Dream." In case you don't know, it's a meta book supposedly written by an alt-history Adolf Hitler, who left Germany after the Communist revolution of 1920 and settled in America to write... hack sword-and-sorcery fiction about a fictionalized post-apocalyptic fantasy Germany and its war against what are clearly Russians and what are clearly Jews, but turned into post-apolocalypse mutant monsters. It's... interesting. A lot of it just makes the same point, that heroic sword and sorcery has some "race-and-masculinity fascism" baked into it, but some of it's amusing.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:04 PM (KRtlO)

262 Oh, when I was a kid, I did read the Star Trek Readers by James Blish. Blish took the series shooting scripts and wrote them into novelettes.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 03:58 PM (KRtlO)

I have the complete set printed in the 70s. I wonder if they are worth anything.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (ufFY

Blish was pretty perfunctory at first with the good shows, but then as he got into it he had to turn some of the drecky shows into 200 page masterpieces. Pretty funny.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:05 PM (n7h9X)

263 "Fuck you!"

-- Elric of Melnibone
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 05, 2024 04:02 PM (iFTx/)

I found Moorcock via Blue Oyster Cult.

And it seems like I should have done phrasing.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:05 PM (ufFY8)

264 Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:04 PM (KRtlO)

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You had mentioned a few months back being interested in The House on the Borderland.

Have you read that one yet?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:05 PM (GBKbO)

265 I really want to like the Thomas Covenant books. A really compelling story, often powerful, but I just had so many problems with Donaldson's writing style. I still have them in my collection. I should give them another try.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 05, 2024 04:05 PM (Ad8y9)

266 Just like insulin being capped at $35 I will sign an Executive Order on my first day in Office to cap Blow Jobs at $35 per each service.
Posted by: Kamal Harris at September 05, 2024 04:04 PM (Mig/N)
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So much for $20, same as in town....

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 04:05 PM (7fElN)

267 I've heard it said that Tolkien wrote The Hobbit for children, The Lord of the Rings for those children when they were adolescents, and The Silmarillion for those adolescents when they were grown-ups.

Maybe that was Tolkien's scheme when he couldn't get The Silmarillion published first.

Posted by: davidt at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (i0F8b)

268 >>251 Speaking of books that guys like, I just started Saint-Exupery's "Wind Sand and Stars." I'm enjoying it very much.

huh, i'll give that a whirl

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (KRtlO)

269 The Dune books are excellent if you read them as political thrillers. The universe is fascinating and the premise is believable. They are without a doubt my favorite books.

He combined the HRE, with the late-ish British Empire, and the rise of Islam and...and the the Clintons as House Harkonnen which I guess means somewhere Bill Clinton has a really hot bastard daughter who has become a nun.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (oZhjI)

270 I will sign an Executive Order on my first day in Office to cap Blow Jobs at $35 per each service.
Posted by: Kamal Harris
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That's inflation. I recently got them for $20 in town.

Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (v0R5T)

271 >> I have the complete set printed in the 70s. I wonder if they are worth anything.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:00 PM (ufFY
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I have the two-volume omnibus edition...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 04:02 PM (7fElN)
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I think the sad truth is that the people who would find value in those things are becoming... dead.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (Q4IgG)

272 I've heard it was supposed to be kinda a gag, that no human was capable of singing that range, that quickly.
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Supposedly, the lady who did the singing in the movie sang the song without electronic enhancement.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (VdhcA)

273 230 >>>Have you read the Solomon Kane series? or Kull the Conqueror?
I read half of the Kane ones -- still have to finish those. To be honest, I think I only read two of them. I do have to finish those.
I never started the Kull ones, or Bran Mac Morn, or any of the other howard stuff. I'm a little curious to read his real-world adventure stuff, like the one about the boxer who travels around the world punching people (and monsters?)
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Kull and Bran Mak Morn were heroes that Howard started before Conan, so they're not what people might expect. Kull is more reflective and thoughtful than Conan, less ready to roll initiative. He's a sort of cultural prelude to the Hyborian Age. Bran is a cinematic Pict who is closer to Conan, the more so since he rejects civilization implicitly. There is a real banger of a story where Bran and Kull team up to battle a Roman legion via some Pictish magic & time travel. Soloman Kane is the guy who ought to be serving as the model for people attempting a D&D Paladin. Out to smite the heathens, always in some other strange place in each story, and he's at his happiest when doing so.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (W+kMI)

274 267 I've heard it said that Tolkien wrote The Hobbit for children, The Lord of the Rings for those children when they were adolescents, and The Silmarillion for those adolescents when they were grown-ups.

Maybe that was Tolkien's scheme when he couldn't get The Silmarillion published first.
Posted by: davidt at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (i0F8b)

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I think The Hobbit started as something literally for his own children, and The Lord of the Rings was a combination of his publisher begging for a sequel and Tolkien wanting to put all of his languages that he'd created into an epic tale.

The Silmarillion seemed to be the real literary passion of his life.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (GBKbO)

275 >>>You had mentioned a few months back being interested in The House on the Borderland.
Have you read that one yet?

no, i keep meaning to. that and the other novel people talk about of his.

Also kinda want to check out Goremghast and defintely want to read Dunsany's the Elf-King's Daughter, which I hear is really really good, and a major influence on tolkein

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (KRtlO)

276 251 Speaking of books that guys like,
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Why on earth did I read that as "boobs"?

Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (v0R5T)

277 Judges and prosecutors ***hate*** Alfrod pleas.

They want the thrill of seeing the defendant on their knees, broken.

Like the muzzies putting people on their knees begging before getting their head chopped off, these guys need to boost of power of seeing someone beg for mercy.

Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (keJbn)

278 I loved God Emperor, best of the series! Nothing wrong with Chapterhouse but that we didn’t get the last book. I didn’t care for Brian Herbert’s stuff. Second Chronicles of Amber were very good too. Big love for Zelazny. Lost him way too early. Another good fantasy writer is Steven Brust. He’s been working on a series since the 80’s. 18 books in all for the main storyline and has many others in the same world.

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (qKaLG)

279 I saw a short AI video on the YouTube’s that was the 5th Elemnet with a 1950’s aesthetic. The chick was crazy hot. AI seems really good at porn, but not much else.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (8TfNm)

280 Pretty funny a post about a drugged out idiot turns into a semi-erudite book thread.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (ufFY8

That's nothing. Earlier a mass murder turned into a statin thread.

Posted by: ... at September 05, 2024 04:08 PM (uujoW)

281 Does this Alfred Plea get one out of double jeopardy? That is, can I cry "Alfred!" to numerous crimes against humanity, and not be charged again by the Trump admin?

Posted by: Hillary! at September 05, 2024 04:08 PM (lHpdB)

282 "He combined the HRE, with the late-ish British Empire, and the rise of Islam and...and the the Clintons as House Harkonnen which I guess means somewhere Bill Clinton has a really hot bastard daughter who has become a nun."

I'm telling you those books are brilliant. Every time I read through them they blow my mind even more.

Posted by: Ribbed at September 05, 2024 04:08 PM (B0mGw)

283 275 no, i keep meaning to. that and the other novel people talk about of his.

Also kinda want to check out Goremghast and defintely want to read Dunsany's the Elf-King's Daughter, which I hear is really really good, and a major influence on tolkein
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (KRtlO)

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I read The House on the Borderlands. It's...interesting...?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:08 PM (GBKbO)

284 The Silmarillion is written in a very different style from LOTR. Much more formal and archaic, but also quite beautiful and poetic if you have the patience to work through it.

I've read the King James Bible for years. The Silmarillion uses very similar language and flow.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (Odg76)

In junior high I read a lot of Mythology summaries of various mythologies. It was like that for me. Just middle earth

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:08 PM (n7h9X)

285 I've heard it said that Tolkien wrote The Hobbit for children, The Lord of the Rings for those children when they were adolescents, and The Silmarillion for those adolescents when they were grown-ups.

Maybe that was Tolkien's scheme when he couldn't get The Silmarillion published first.
Posted by: davidt at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (i0F8b)

I thought Tolkien assumed room temperature before he finished the Silmarillian.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 05, 2024 04:09 PM (g8Ew8)

286 I kinda thought Hunter would plead non compos mentis…

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:09 PM (PCK5/)

287 I think often about how the Fifth Element was to be a trilogy.

It would have been cool.
But, it really would have had to avoid any "filler" scenes.

Meanwhile, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was several books but the movie probably convinced people to never read any of them.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 05, 2024 04:09 PM (oCvig)

288
Want to win a presidential election?

Promise to end the Printer Ink Toner SCAM perpetrated by HP and the others.

These cartridges are literally Programmed to Fail and cause great stress and aggravation and expense.

Posted by: Soothsayer bottom lines it for you at September 05, 2024 04:09 PM (ANeHG)

289 Schrodinger's Plea
Posted by: ...

For physics needs only! Twenty minutes on why Schroedinger's cat doesn't mean what you think it means and is, in fact, beyond human understanding but necessary for reality to exist.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHFXZvRNns&pp
=ygURc2Nocm9kaW5nZXIncyBjYXQ%3Dv

(Is.gd appears to not be working.)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 05, 2024 04:09 PM (L/fGl)

290 Logitech mouses are the best.

I've read many Solomon Kane and Conan books. They are all terrific.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 05, 2024 04:09 PM (cf/0E)

291 I've heard it said that Tolkien wrote The Hobbit for children, The Lord of the Rings for those children when they were adolescents, and The Silmarillion for those adolescents when they were grown-ups.

Maybe that was Tolkien's scheme when he couldn't get The Silmarillion published first.
Posted by: davidt at September 05, 2024 04:06 PM (i0F8b)
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He had been asked to do a sequel for "The Hobbit" and it morphed into something else. Originally, "The Hobbit" wasn't part of his legendarium, but once LOTR came out, he rewrote parts to make it fit. He even attempted a complete rewrite to make it even more compatible, but after a friend told him, "It's good, but it's not 'The Hobbit'," he dropped it.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:10 PM (VdhcA)

292 Nobody has mentioned Gene Wolf's New Sun series.

So I guess I won't spoil that....

Posted by: Axeman at September 05, 2024 04:10 PM (krQz2)

293 Oops.. the topic is Tolkien not Hunter… what I get for just diving in..

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:10 PM (PCK5/)

294 285 I thought Tolkien assumed room temperature before he finished the Silmarillian.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 05, 2024 04:09 PM (g8Ew

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It's something he worked on pretty much from shortly after the end of WWI through the end of his life. He wanted to publish both LOTR and The Silmarillion at the same time, but his publisher wasn't really interested in the latter (I've read).

He never got the opportunity to really polish The Silmarillion like he did LOTR. His son, Christopher, shepherded it through the final stages.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:11 PM (GBKbO)

295 no, i keep meaning to. that and the other novel people talk about of his.

Also kinda want to check out Goremghast and defintely want to read Dunsany's the Elf-King's Daughter, which I hear is really really good, and a major influence on tolkein
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (KRtlO)
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Elf-King's Daughter is indeed very, very good. Well worth the read.

The Night Land by William Hope Hodgson is an odd story that is difficult to read, but tells a very strange tale. There is a more modern translation that is probably easier to digest while staying faithful to the original. John C. Wright has a series of short novellas set in same universe "Awake in the Night Land" which is excellent.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 05, 2024 04:11 PM (7fElN)

296 >>>292 Nobody has mentioned Gene Wolf's New Sun series.

this guy on YouTube, Bookpilled, read that and said he didn't like it. He's a good reviewer. He's a filthy communist but he knows he's a filthy communist and generally points out when his politics may be influencing his views positively or negatively.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:11 PM (KRtlO)

297 291 He had been asked to do a sequel for "The Hobbit" and it morphed into something else. Originally, "The Hobbit" wasn't part of his legendarium, but once LOTR came out, he rewrote parts to make it fit. He even attempted a complete rewrite to make it even more compatible, but after a friend told him, "It's good, but it's not 'The Hobbit'," he dropped it.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:10 PM (VdhcA)

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Why did Bilbo lie about his meeting with the creature Gollum?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:11 PM (GBKbO)

298 Pretty funny a post about a drugged out idiot turns into a semi-erudite book thread.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 03:59 PM (ufFY8

That's nothing. Earlier a mass murder turned into a statin thread.
Posted by: ...
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Somebody just tell me if I have to put pants on. Or submit blood work before commenting.

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 05, 2024 04:12 PM (iZbyp)

299 AI seems really good at porn, but not much else.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (8TfNm)

As was said by the prophets, "The Internet is for porn."

Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2024 04:12 PM (7623J)

300 292 Nobody has mentioned Gene Wolf's New Sun series.

So I guess I won't spoil that....
Posted by: Axeman at September 05, 2024 04:10 PM (krQz2)

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I read it for a second time last year.

I don't know how to spoil it, to be honest.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:12 PM (GBKbO)

301 I think The Hobbit started as something literally for his own children

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:07 PM (GBKbO)

That's what I thought too, but that may be a bit of a sweet story.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 05, 2024 04:12 PM (d9fT1)

302 I thought Tolkien assumed room temperature before he finished the Silmarillian.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 05, 2024 04:09 PM (g8Ew

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I don't believe that he was trying to. "The Silmarillion" as brought out by Christopher Tolkien was an assembly of the various writings of his father, given coherence by him with the assistance of Guy Gavriel Kay.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:12 PM (VdhcA)

303
I have a rock.

I am an island.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 05, 2024 04:12 PM (QOVfC)

304 297

Why did Bilbo lie about his meeting with the creature Gollum?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:11 PM (GBKbO)

Tricksy Hobbit…

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:12 PM (PCK5/)

305 Sadly I have read more books from Horus Heresy than Discworld. And what's funny is that the best Warhammer book out there, The Infinite and the Divine, while a perfect setting for Grimdark(tm), is a comedy in the style of Pratchett.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 05, 2024 04:12 PM (cf/0E)

306 The best I can hope for is the Biden family is laughed at, and ridiculed in public, and maybe gets their food spit in.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (Z8Yh2)

307 think often about how the Fifth Element was to be a trilogy.

It would have been cool.

We would sponsor that!

Posted by: The Fifth Third Bank of Cincinnati at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (/3Wsk)

308 296 >>>292 Nobody has mentioned Gene Wolf's New Sun series.

this guy on YouTube, Bookpilled, read that and said he didn't like it. He's a good reviewer. He's a filthy communist but he knows he's a filthy communist and generally points out when his politics may be influencing his views positively or negatively.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:11 PM (KRtlO)

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It's extremely episodic and meta while being opaque to the extreme and centered around a terrible main character.

I mean...I like it. I like it a lot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (GBKbO)

309 >>>He had been asked to do a sequel for "The Hobbit" and it morphed into something else. Originally, "The Hobbit" wasn't part of his legendarium, but once LOTR came out, he rewrote parts to make it fit. He even attempted a complete rewrite to make it even more compatible, but after a friend told him, "It's good, but it's not 'The Hobbit'," he dropped it.

I give The Hobbit movies a lot of leeway because Tolkein DID try to re-write the Hobbit to gibe better with LOTR, so I give Peter Jackson a break on doing likewise.

though Jackson then tries to keep the more childish and silly tone of the Hobbit even while attempting to LOTR-ize it.

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (KRtlO)

310
Kevin Sorbo
@ksorbs
The media forgot about Biden so fast you’d think it was a botched Afghanistan withdrawal, fire in Maui, train wreck in Ohio, Venezuelan apartment takeover, or assassination attempt on Trump.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (TGPs7)

311 244 I have a rock.

does it roll?

Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (oY6Yp)

312 I saw a short AI video on the YouTube’s that was the 5th Elemnet with a 1950’s aesthetic. The chick was crazy hot. AI seems really good at porn, but not much else.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlEByKfcNmk

Dang!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (oCvig)

313 309 I give The Hobbit movies a lot of leeway because Tolkein DID try to re-write the Hobbit to gibe better with LOTR, so I give Peter Jackson a break on doing likewise.

though Jackson then tries to keep the more childish and silly tone of the Hobbit even while attempting to LOTR-ize it.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (KRtlO)

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As a history of Middle Earth before the events of The Lord of the Rings...you could do worse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:14 PM (GBKbO)

314 You know, the only person in the entire world who could be a partial DNA match to the White House cocaine is Ashley Biden. Given how fucked up her child hood was as a bath room squeaky toy for Joe, I'm almost willing to concede that just being a daughter in that family is more than enough punishment for her.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 05, 2024 04:14 PM (Da7Vv)

315 JRR LOTR wrote for his children?

I thought C.S Lewis wrote the Narnia series for his children.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:14 PM (tT6L1)

316 I have a bit of trouble relating to old scifi… tried reading Niven, just did not work for me…

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:14 PM (PCK5/)

317 Chronicles of Amber

The Shanarra trilogy

The Enchanted Forest Chronicles

C.S. Lewis' That Hideous Strength trilogy

My faves.

Posted by: Just Lily at September 05, 2024 04:14 PM (NHWAu)

318 315 JRR LOTR wrote for his children?

I thought C.S Lewis wrote the Narnia series for his children.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:14 PM (tT6L1)

You make the joke…

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (PCK5/)

319 I have a rock.

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I want a rock!

Posted by: Dee Snider at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (krQz2)

320 309 I give The Hobbit movies a lot of leeway because Tolkein DID try to re-write the Hobbit to gibe better with LOTR, so I give Peter Jackson a break on doing likewise.

somewhere in tolkien's desk there was doubtless a note about surfing on waves of molten gold.

Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (oY6Yp)

321 AI seems really good at porn, but not much else.

Assuming they feed it most of what's on the internet that does make sense.

Speaking of what at least now when the robot apocalypse comes instead of killing us AI will lock us in pods and make us watch ads while writing fan fic ...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (oZhjI)

322 > AI seems really good at porn, but not much else.
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I can guess the demographic that is totes engrossed with AI without anyone telling me.

Some of them are probably here.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (Q4IgG)

323 The best I can hope for is the Biden family is laughed at, and ridiculed in public, and maybe gets their food spit in.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen
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Maybe somebody on the beach will kick sand in Joe's face.

Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (v0R5T)

324 Kevin Sorbo
@ksorbs
The media forgot about Biden so fast you’d think it was a botched Afghanistan withdrawal, fire in Maui, train wreck in Ohio, Venezuelan apartment takeover, or assassination attempt on Trump.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 05, 2024 04:13 PM (TGPs7)
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I like this guy.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (VdhcA)

325 >>>Why did Bilbo lie about his meeting with the creature Gollum?!

do you know? it's because the first version of The Hobbit had gollum GIVING Bilbo the ring as the prize for the riddle game, but when he came up with LOTR, he realized that that made no sense, so he rewrote those parts of the Hobbit.

The whole beginning of LOTR, the author's note, retcons all that, and says the Hobbit is Bilbo's book in-universe, and Bilbo lied in that book, in-universe, and only later admitted the real story.

but this was just an in-universe explanation for an out-of-universe retcon.

but you probably knew that/

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (KRtlO)

326 I liked Spinrad's The Men In the Jungle, better that Iron Dream.
Spinrad and Michael Kurland both gave me the feeling that they weren't really sci-fi writers, and that they took a lot of other people's ideas to play with or ghost write.

Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (D7oie)

327 320 somewhere in tolkien's desk there was doubtless a note about surfing on waves of molten gold.
Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (oY6Yp)

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Right after, "And then Legolas took up an Uruk shield and slid on it down the stairs, shooting orcs as he went. It was sick as fuck, dude. You had to be there."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (GBKbO)

328 > Meanwhile, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was several books but the movie probably convinced people to never read any of them.

It started as a radio comedy. Then it got adapted to books, for the stage, and other formats.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (Odg76)

329 this guy on YouTube, Bookpilled, read that and said he didn't like it. He's a good reviewer. He's a filthy communist but he knows he's a filthy communist and generally points out when his politics may be influencing his views positively or negatively.
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:11 PM (KRtlO)

Yes, he is a filthy godless commie, but a good reviewer. Haven't seen his videos in months. Last I knew he was travelling around living in a different country every month (?). He had some weird reselling op going before that. Not the kind of life I would aspire to - two steps above homeless.

But he CAN review a sci-fi book. He turned me on to a lot of the classic pulp scifi.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (ufFY8)

330 >>somewhere in tolkien's desk there was doubtless a note about surfing on waves of molten gold

it was in marginal notes written in Quenya

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (KRtlO)

331 You make the joke…
Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (PCK5/)
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Don't mind me, I can't type or think.

After lunch and age effect. Mostly age.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (tT6L1)

332 325 but this was just an in-universe explanation for an out-of-universe retcon.

but you probably knew that/
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (KRtlO)

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I don't get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (GBKbO)

333 319 I have a rock.

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I want a rock!
Posted by: Dee Snider at September

Sometimes I sit in awe at the wit around here.

Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (pZEOD)

334 1960 and Moon River comes on the radio:

Wife: Oh listen, honey! Our song is playing.

Today and I Like Big Butt's comes on the radio:

Husband: Shut up, bitch! I'm trying to listen to our song!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 05, 2024 04:17 PM (L/fGl)

335 This is cute.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/DwGMtWfgvX0

I'd say Cafe worthy.

Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (u/1ny)

336 Sometimes I sit in awe at the wit around here.
Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (pZEOD)
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The combination of erudition and juvenilia is unique.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (VdhcA)

337 I used to write stories for my kids.

Never thought of publishing. How do they find the time? I am guessing they all had money and not 8-7 jobs.

Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (keJbn)

338 >>Chronicles of Amber

I can't rec this one enough. Fantastic read.

Posted by: garrett at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (NGn6W)

339 337 I used to write stories for my kids.

Never thought of publishing. How do they find the time? I am guessing they all had money and not 8-7 jobs.
Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (keJbn)

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Academics tend to have connections that can lead to publishing with relative ease. Especially at Oxford.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

340 259 I have decided upon being elected POTUS I will take action on a service that is near and dear to my heart.

Just like insulin being capped at $35 I will sign an Executive Order on my first day in Office to cap Blow Jobs at $35 per each service.

Posted by: Kamal Harris at September 05, 2024 04:04 PM (Mig/N)
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But it's only $20 in town!

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, ha un petto proprio magnifico #24 at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (qfLjt)

341 Maybe somebody on the beach will kick sand in Joe's face.
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Or be buried on the beach like Blanche by Baby Jane/Hunter.

Posted by: Donovan at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (FmapG)

342 I have encountered a few people who treat Tolkien’s work as Holy Scripture… after a while they became nervous-making, and tiresome… mostly tiresome..

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:19 PM (PCK5/)

343
Doe 136 was a lying sonofabitch. But Doe 137 was way worse.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 05, 2024 04:19 PM (1Nxff)

344 230 >>>Have you read the Solomon Kane series? or Kull the Conqueror?

I read half of the Kane ones -- still have to finish those. To be honest, I think I only read two of them. I do have to finish those.

I never started the Kull ones, or Bran Mac Morn, or any of the other howard stuff. I'm a little curious to read his real-world adventure stuff, like the one about the boxer who travels around the world punching people (and monsters?)
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Many of Howard's period stories were re-written by L Sprague de Camp into Conan stories. As re-writes they are pretty good, but finding the original versions can be challenging. Like sifting used book stores' fantasy paperback sections challenging. As a good friend of HPL he chttps://tinyurl.com/2e3fssekontributed some good stories in the Cthulhu Mythos vein.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 04:19 PM (W+kMI)

345 An Alford plea is for cowards, who can't actually admit their evil deeds.

It's a way for a defense lawyer to get their client to plead guilty and get the lighter sentence pleas always get you, without having to let their clients talk.

Posted by: Nova Local at September 05, 2024 04:19 PM (exHjb)

346 I wonder how much Hunter's paintings are selling for these days.

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at September 05, 2024 04:19 PM (W2Pud)

347 >> I have a rock.

But. Are you Ready To Rock!?

Posted by: Blackie Lawless at September 05, 2024 04:19 PM (NGn6W)

348 L
https://tinyurl.com/2e3fssek

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 04:20 PM (W+kMI)

349 346 I wonder how much Hunter's paintings are selling for these days.
Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at September 05, 2024 04:19 PM (W2Pud)

Probably a half-ounce….

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:20 PM (PCK5/)

350 I like to Rock!

Posted by: April Wine at September 05, 2024 04:20 PM (tT6L1)

351 Many of Howard's period stories were re-written by L Sprague de Camp into Conan stories. As re-writes they are pretty good, but finding the original versions can be challenging. Like sifting used book stores' fantasy paperback sections challenging. As a good friend of HPL he chttps://tinyurl.com/2e3fssekontributed some good stories in the Cthulhu Mythos vein.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 04:19 PM (W+kMI)

Kindle books are a good way to find old stuff. Someone scans in 500 books of all sorts, sells to you for a buck and a half.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:20 PM (n7h9X)

352 I don't get it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (GBKbO)

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IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE DOES EITHER!!!

Posted by: BEN ROETHLESBERGER at September 05, 2024 04:20 PM (2UnvF)

353 Hunter Biden’s new wife is a stage 1 clinger. Or stage 5. Whichever one is more psychotic, that is her.

Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (pZEOD)

354 Even if he doesn't get the Alford plea, this closes down any more discovery, which likely would get the rest of his family in very hot water.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (zrlyb)

355 The Tales of The Black Company

and

The Powder Mage Trilogy

Posted by: garrett at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (NGn6W)

356 Sometimes I sit in awe at the wit around here.
Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (pZEOD)
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The combination of erudition and juvenilia is unique.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar

I never touched that little boy!

Posted by: a. moron. at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (v0R5T)

357 Probably a half-ounce….
Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:20 PM (PCK5/)
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of cheap Mexican weed.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (tT6L1)

358 11 ps almost done with my re-read of Fellowship of the Ring. I'm almost done with the Council of Elrond.
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Eh, that's more like two-thirds done. There's a bit more traveling, fighting, Gandalf's biggest scene, talking to Elves, more traveling, a Nazgul cameo ruined by a high-rolling Legolas, and Boromir goes for broke.
Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 03:35 PM (W+kMI)

I have another 60 pages to go! What I thought was going to be the end turned out to be not quite the end...

Posted by: LASue at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (lCppi)

359 Sometimes I sit in awe at the wit around here.
Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:16 PM (pZEOD)
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The combination of erudition and juvenilia is unique.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:18 PM (VdhcA)

Oh, sit on it!

Posted by: Joanie Cunningham at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (ufFY8)

360 I don't think Kamala had a choice of vps, as if her drunk brain is allowed any outward authority. Waltz is a pretty standard NKVD like agent installed to oversee and direct things for our oversees communist masters. He was selected by them.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (Y6IkP)

361 >> Sometimes I sit in awe at the wit around here.

We excel at nonsense.

Posted by: garrett at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (NGn6W)

362 If you like historical fiction, I recommend Conan Doyle's "The White Company" and "Micah Clarke." (Hundred Years War and Monmouth Rebellion, respectively.) And Doyle's Brigadier Gerard stories.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (VdhcA)

363 321 AI seems really good at porn, but not much else.

Assuming they feed it most of what's on the internet that does make sense.

hmm. ai is probably good at cat videos, too.

Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (oY6Yp)

364 358

I have another 60 pages to go! What I thought was going to be the end turned out to be not quite the end...
Posted by: LASue at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (lCppi)

Shhh… ( Dumbledore dies in The Two Towers)..

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (PCK5/)

365 345 An Alford plea is for cowards, who can't actually admit their evil deeds.

It's a way for a defense lawyer to get their client to plead guilty and get the lighter sentence pleas always get you, without having to let their clients talk.
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Isn't that what the court of common pleas terms a "no contest" plea?

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (W+kMI)

366 >>>the absolutely most-privileged rich, useless, legacy white man the world has ever known

Plus trash.

Posted by: m at September 05, 2024 04:23 PM (64Zez)

367 Trump killed at NY economic club. Owned the room. Globalist NY biz men were astonished at Trumps depth in economy.
Room was stunned with his detailed explanation of the Harris model.
Gasperino reporting by no means a Trumper.
But was stunned

Posted by: Redenzo at September 05, 2024 04:23 PM (V/pbu)

368 I have a rock.

But. Are you Ready To Rock!?

I am a rock.

Posted by: Simon and or Garfunkel at September 05, 2024 04:23 PM (Odg76)

369 I want a rock!
Posted by: Dee Snider at September 05, 2024 04:15 PM (krQz2)

No, no you don't.

Posted by: Rodney King at September 05, 2024 04:23 PM (Y1sOo)

370 I don't think Kamala had a choice of vps, as if her drunk brain is allowed any outward authority. Waltz is a pretty standard NKVD like agent installed to oversee and direct things for our oversees communist masters. He was selected by them.
Posted by: banana Dream at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (Y6IkP)

Real Russian spies hate people like Waltz more than those who sell secrets for money. Waltz is a true believer and will be the first one into the camps come the revolution.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (n7h9X)

371 351 Kindle books are a good way to find old stuff. Someone scans in 500 books of all sorts, sells to you for a buck and a half.

and then you keep finding bits of gibberish due to using the wrong character set somewhere.

not that i'm bitter or anything.

Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (oY6Yp)

372 The combination of erudition and juvenilia is unique.

A true example of Idiots Savant.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (Da7Vv)

373 Funny Trump didnt get offered this deal by NY.

Any other person, it would have been a letter in the mail asking for the difference in taxes owed.

Posted by: Blago at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (wMRY8)

374 Nothing on Titus Groan?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (MpVUb)

375 Even if he doesn't get the Alford plea, this closes down any more discovery, which likely would get the rest of his family in very hot water.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (zrlyb)
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Hard to believe a stripper was a step up for Hunter.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (tT6L1)

376 I have a rock.

But. Are you Ready To Rock!?

I am a rock.
Posted by: Simon and or Garfunkel at September 05, 2024 04:23 PM (Odg76)
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But you're no island.

Posted by: Ireland at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (krQz2)

377 France ruled by Committee for a while when they were chopping heads.

Posted by: torabora at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (4QEFC)

378 Shhh… ( Dumbledore dies in The Two Towers)..
Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (PCK5/)

by the hand of Khan.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (Ad8y9)

379 I want a rock!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (REkYH)

380 376 I have a rock.

But. Are you Ready To Rock!?

I am a rock.
Posted by: Simon and or Garfunkel at September 05, 2024 04:23 PM (Odg76)
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But you're no island.
Posted by: Ireland at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (krQz2)

No man is an island.

Posted by: m at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (64Zez)

381 Nothing on Titus Groan?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (MpVUb)
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Don't read it if you're feeling down.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:26 PM (VdhcA)

382 361 We excel at nonsense.

multiplan > excel

Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:26 PM (oY6Yp)

383 oh that red head is soul devouring

Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 04:26 PM (PXvVL)

384 Gasperino reporting by no means a Trumper.
But was stunned
Posted by: Redenzo at September 05, 2024 04:23 PM (V/pbu)

Gasparino is a tool.
I am convinced Big Tit Liz Claman wants to/has fucked him.

Of course, I have no evidence of this, except her insipid banter.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 05, 2024 04:26 PM (ufFY8)

385 Ummmmmmmmmmm~

@Breaking911
·
2m
JUST IN: Booking photo released of 14-year-old Colt Gray, alleged Georgia school shooter who killed 4

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 05, 2024 04:26 PM (IG4Id)

386 Gotta get bac to work, but... NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT PROSECUTING HUNTER FOR CRIMES. IT SHOULD BE ABOUT HAVING EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN COURT, FOR THE WHOLE FREAKIN' WORLD TO SEE!!!

Hunter isn't the point, people.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 05, 2024 03:30 PM (dGCAG)

It would be a real pity if Hunter got kidnapped by some non-State actors, and renditioned to some place where he has zero Constitutional rights.

"Now you are a canary, Hunter. You know what canaries do, Hunter? They sing for their supper. As long as you sing, you eat. Stop singing, and there's no reason for us to continue feeding you. Your choice."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 05, 2024 04:27 PM (m0ILq)

387 I meant: Umm

x.com/Breaking911/status/1831790254602543458

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 05, 2024 04:27 PM (IG4Id)

388 Ummmmmmmmmmm~

@Breaking911
·
2m
JUST IN: Booking photo released of 14-year-old Colt Gray, alleged Georgia school shooter who killed 4
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 05, 2024 04:26 PM (IG4Id)

Be funny if it were the same one they used for the Trump shooter.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:27 PM (n7h9X)

389 >>> Real Russian spies hate people like Waltz more than those who sell secrets for money. Waltz is a true believer and will be the first one into the camps come the revolution.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (n7h9X)

This goes for the chicoms too I'd guess.

Posted by: banana Dream at September 05, 2024 04:27 PM (Y6IkP)

390 No man is an island.
Posted by: m
________

Bullshit

Posted by: Isle of Man at September 05, 2024 04:27 PM (Dm8we)

391 I love that Conor McGregor declared he's running for president of Ireland. The way things are going for them, he might be the best option. I know he has skeletons in his closet, like metoo stuff, but I suspect a lot of Irish will overlook that.

Posted by: LizLem at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (Hi+Ig)

392 Mugshot of the shitbag school shooter here:

http://tiny.cc/94zkzz

Posted by: bonhomme at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (Odg76)

393 Second "umm" pays for all.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (VdhcA)

394 Hard to believe a stripper was a step up for Hunter.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM
*****
That's enough of that innuendo, Buster.

Posted by: Dr. Jill at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (4QEFC)

395 358 I have another 60 pages to go! What I thought was going to be the end turned out to be not quite the end...

ah. so like the movies, then.

Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (oY6Yp)

396 Hunter Biden’s new wife is a stage 1 clinger. Or stage 5. Whichever one is more psychotic, that is her.
Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (pZEOD)
____________________

Hard to believe a stripper was a step up for Hunter.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (tT6L1)
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Wow, I should give up for the day with this massive copy the wrong comment and paste fail. But, as a true Moron, I will push on through to further shame and embarrassment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (tT6L1)

397 Just saw Colt Grey. Oh dear - maybe he is really into 80s rock bands and their hair?

Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (pZEOD)

398 White boy. Definitely.

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (PCK5/)

399 Are you Ready To Rock!?
Posted by: Blackie Lawless

We did it first, in 1977, song 1, side 2 of Spectres. (Spelled as "R U Ready 2 Rock")

Posted by: Blue Oyster Cult at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (KAi1n)

400 A true example of Idiots Savant.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (Da7Vv)

You misspelled "Schwanz"

Posted by: Kindltot - ask me about the septentrional ecomomy at September 05, 2024 04:29 PM (D7oie)

401 That's enough of that innuendo, Buster.

Posted by: Dr. Jill at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (4QEFC)

LOL

Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 05, 2024 04:29 PM (ZtyUu)

402 JUST IN: Booking photo released of 14-year-old Colt Gray, alleged Georgia school shooter who killed 4
Posted by: weft cut-loop
.....

So, he's not a natural blonde?

Posted by: wth at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (v0R5T)

403 Just saw Colt Grey. Oh dear - maybe he is really into 80s rock bands and their hair?
Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (pZEOD)

Put that boy in tights and slap some slutty red lipstick on him and he could be in a Poison cover band.

Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (REkYH)

404 why can't they do films in that style,

Posted by: no 6 at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (PXvVL)

405 I meant: Umm

Fry the psychopath.

It's sad, but shit's gotta change.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (ufFY8)

406 Just saw Colt Grey. Oh dear - maybe he is really into 80s rock bands and their hair?
Posted by: Piper at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (pZEOD)

I would have been amused at myself if when I was that age I was dressing like a 1930s swing band member. Can't these kids innovate any more?

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (n7h9X)

407 Not only will I plead guilty in return for being found innocent, I also want to be compensated for my time!

Posted by: Hunter at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (qL8Uu)

408 That's enough of that innuendo, Buster.
Posted by: Dr. Jill at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (4QEFC)
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Hit a little close to home, there, sweetie?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (tT6L1)

409 Kid will be popular in prison…

Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (PCK5/)

410 Put that boy in tights and slap some slutty red lipstick on him and
STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 05, 2024 04:31 PM (QOVfC)

411 >>> The opera singer descending into 90s rap was the worst moment in The Fifth Element, and maybe all of cinema.

Aww, she's my fave thing about that movie. I love that whole scene.

The woman who played her was actually Besson's side chick at the time of filming. She really got into prepping for her role and creating the character. But then of course Besson and Milla Jovovich hooked up, poor thing.

Posted by: LizLem at September 05, 2024 04:31 PM (Hi+Ig)

412 400 A true example of Idiots Savant.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 05, 2024 04:24 PM (Da7Vv)

You misspelled "Schwanz"

the schwartz > schwanz

Posted by: yogurt at September 05, 2024 04:31 PM (oY6Yp)

413 I have another 60 pages to go! What I thought was going to be the end turned out to be not quite the end...

ah. so like the movies, then.
Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (oY6Yp)

Did you read the Appendices too?

Posted by: Oldcat at September 05, 2024 04:31 PM (n7h9X)

414 358
I have another 60 pages to go! What I thought was going to be the end turned out to be not quite the end...
=====
Oooo, you're almost there LASue! Sarn Gebir, the Argonath, portaging the rapids like the Kievan Rus, Parth Galen and the Hills of Sight and Hearing... Man, the Professor could really pack a lot of stuff into a few pages. Amon Hen has never gotten its proper recognition on film so far. I did like how WETA drew up a plan for an old Gondorian decorated fort for the hill surrounding the Seat of Sight, then artfully arranged its ruin. Apparently none of the rubble you see in the last scenes of the FOTR movie are randomly placed.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 04:32 PM (W+kMI)

415 Greg Lake was *not* a school shooter.

Posted by: Axeman at September 05, 2024 04:32 PM (krQz2)

416 Kid will be popular in prison…
Posted by: tubal at September 05, 2024 04:30 PM (PCK5/)
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Belle of the ball?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:32 PM (tT6L1)

417 Even if he doesn't get the Alford plea, this closes down any more discovery, which likely would get the rest of his family in very hot water.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 05, 2024 04:21 PM (zrlyb)
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Hard to believe a stripper was a step up for Hunter.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 05, 2024 04:25 PM (tT6L1)

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You could say he pole-vaulted out of his white trash family.

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 05, 2024 04:32 PM (HKhvN)

418 >>> The opera singer descending into 90s rap was the worst moment in The Fifth Element, and maybe all of cinema.

Aww, she's my fave thing about that movie. I love that whole scene.
Posted by: LizLem at September 05, 2024 04:31 PM (Hi+Ig)

As one of the resident metalheads on this blog, I concur. It's a fun scene.

Posted by: Robert at September 05, 2024 04:32 PM (REkYH)

419 nood, you bastiches~!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 05, 2024 04:32 PM (IG4Id)

420 nood

Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 05, 2024 04:32 PM (ZtyUu)

421 Help, I'm a rock.

Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at September 05, 2024 04:33 PM (vFG9F)

422 Fry the psychopath.

It's sad, but shit's gotta change.

Indeed. They're much quieter that way. Please hurry!

Posted by: The FBI at September 05, 2024 04:33 PM (9SBJU)

423 The woman who played her was actually Besson's side chick at the time of filming. She really got into prepping for her role and creating the character. But then of course Besson and Milla Jovovich hooked up, poor thing.
Posted by: LizLem at September 05, 2024 04:31 PM (Hi+Ig)

The best intro for Species III for tonight!

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 05, 2024 04:33 PM (ufFY8)

424 Waltz is a true believer and will be the first one into the camps come the revolution.

Remember the Communists kill people in a very specific order:

1. The Revolutionaries, Bolsheviks, Antifa types. They proved they can overthrow society, so they go first.
2. The Intelligentsia who trained the Revolutionaries, they don't want them training more.
3. The True Believers who change from usefull idiots to useless idiots.
4. People like us. Our advantage is we get to do a Nelson Muntz point and laugh, at the first 3 groups before it is our turn.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 05, 2024 04:34 PM (Da7Vv)

425 413 I have another 60 pages to go! What I thought was going to be the end turned out to be not quite the end...

ah. so like the movies, then.
Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:28 PM (oY6Yp)

Did you read the Appendices too?
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Many times, of course! One wishes the creators of The Rings of Empowerment had done so, too.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 05, 2024 04:34 PM (W+kMI)

426 Make Ireland great again:

https://x.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1831676863334273494?

As President I hold the power to summon the Dáil as well as dissolve it. So as i said before, I would have all the answers the people of Ireland seek from these thieves of the working man, these disrupters of the family unit, these destructors of small businesses, and on and on and on! These charlatans in their positions of power would be summoned to answer to the people of Ireland and I would have it done by day end. Or I would be left with no choice but to dissolve the Dáil entirely. Stop the train until. The people of Ireland deserve the answers they seek.

Posted by: LizLem at September 05, 2024 04:40 PM (JQmnq)

427 hmm. ai issues probably good at cat videos, too.
Posted by: anachronda at September 05, 2024 04:22 PM (oY6Yp)

Ever hear of "Moggy stories?"

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 05, 2024 04:40 PM (TMJ0F)

428 If you got 90's rap for the opera scene in the Fifth Element you are wrapped too tight. (ahem)

There is a chinese chick that sings that bit live. Saw it on YT. Wild.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 05, 2024 04:44 PM (Z8Yh2)

429 >>> There is a chinese chick that sings that bit live. Saw it on YT. Wild.

There's been a few of those tv talent shows where a singer has attempted it. It's got to be ridiculously hard, and they did a good job!

Posted by: LizLem at September 05, 2024 04:49 PM (B89SU)

430 Interesting. Just watched a documentary called The Staircase on Netflix, think it happened in one of the Carolinas around 2001.
Spoiler alert
In the end the guy takes an Alford plea. This was a real case. it is explained to him many times that this is in fact treated like a guilty plea, you just don't have to admit guilty. Companies do similar sort of stuff all the time on the civil side, when it comes to class actions. So at least in that state, Alford is indeed a guilty plea, just a special kind of guilty. The victim's family made a point in their impact statement of nothing he would.forever be guilty. He's just not admitting it, but it's treated like guilty for all legal reasons.

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at September 05, 2024 05:10 PM (x17Ef)

431 OT: Now that it's confirmed that the Secret Service "protected" Trump with a second-string of substitutes, it raises the question: did the SS have Intel that a shooter was likely to be at the rally?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 05, 2024 05:30 PM (oJuAx)

432 Notice the AP article said "an usual type of guilty plea". That is not correct English. It's pretty clear the line originally said "an unusual type of guilty plea" but the person reviewing the article decided, no let's just reverse that and lie, and change the Unusual to a Usual, but they are so bad at their jobs they didn't even think to change the preceding word to have it be correct English.

No matter how much you hate the media, it's not enough

Posted by: Rdubs at September 05, 2024 05:34 PM (9ALg7)

433 347 >> I have a rock.

But. Are you Ready To Rock!?

Posted by: Blackie Lawless

thank you for remembering!

Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 05:39 PM (KRtlO)

434 Gol Dang Funny right here..
from The Bee

https://tinyurl.com/ehtb4zyu

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 05, 2024 05:59 PM (z3xHf)

435 Breaking: Trumps election interference case postponed until after the election.

Alternate headline: Jack Smiffs case turned to jack shit.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 05, 2024 06:03 PM (z3xHf)

436 But. Are you Ready To Rock!?

Posted by: Blackie Lawless

thank you for remembering!
Posted by: ace at September 05, 2024 05:39 PM (KRtlO)

*****

Trump and Baywatch and The Apprentice. A classic post.

Posted by: EFG at September 05, 2024 07:29 PM (c8IdU)

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