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THE MORNING RANT: Ford’s EV Debacle Worsens with $1.9 Billion Additional Write-Downs, and its Never-Used EV Plant Now Mothballed until 2027
Ford Motor is canceling plans for a large electric sport-utility vehicle and expects to take $1.9 billion in related special charges and write-downs, as automakers continue adjusting their EV plans because of softer-than-expected demand.For the record, the “softer-than-expected demand” for EVs was not unexpected by me, or by anyone else who is vaguely familiar with the driving needs of most Americans. It’s an indictment of the bubble in which our ruling class lives that they are surprised by consumer rejection of EVs. It’s also an indictment of the blistering incompetence of Jim Farley and his ilk, who believe that politicians and bureaucrats can decree what consumers should want, rather than listening to Ford’s dealers, who are on the front lines talking to actual consumers. Perhaps more significant is that commencement of vehicle production at the massive new EV manufacturing facility that Ford has been building outside Memphis – which was initially supposed to start producing electric pickup trucks in 2025 – has been postponed again. It was only a few months ago that Ford announced that production was being delayed until 2026, not due to construction delays, but due to consumer rejection of Ford’s EV offerings. That production-start date has now been pushed back again – this time until 2027. “Ford says production of electric pickup truck at Blue Oval City delayed until 2027” [ABC Memphis 24 - 8/21/2024]
Ford, which is losing millions on its current EVs, gave few details about the new products. But it said production of its next generation full-size electric pickup truck at Blue Oval City in West Tennessee will be delayed 18 months, until 2027.I have been writing about Ford’s “Blue Oval City” mess in various outlets, documenting not just Ford’s bad decisions, but also those of Tennessee politicians who threw a billion taxpayer dollars at this public-private sinkhole. This is from a piece of mine titled “Blue Oval Blues” at Tennessee Conservative News:
In 2021, the gullible Republican-controlled legislature in Tennessee, along with the gullible Republican governor, threw about one billion taxpayer dollars from its Rainy Day Fund at Ford to manufacture a massive new plant outside of Memphis. Known as Blue Oval City, the total cost of the project was estimated at close to $6 billion. The state also helped out by condemning land and building roads. The first electric pickup trucks were supposed to roll off the line in 2025, but just a few months ago Ford announced that production was being pushed back until 2026. The delay is not related to construction issues. It’s because consumers have emphatically rejected Ford’s flagship EV, the F150I was right when I stated a few years ago that Ford would not be producing EVs in West Tennessee in 2025. I was right when I recently stated that Ford would not be producing EVs in West Tennessee in 2026. And I am telling you now with 100% certainty that Ford will not be producing EVs in West Tennessee in 2027. For that reason alone, I could run Ford much better than Jim Farley, and for a lot less money. Perhaps Blue Oval City can be sold, or repurposed by Ford for other manufacturing uses. But if not, it represents another multi-billion-dollar unrealized loss that will have to be recognized someday.ConflagrationLightning. There is no demand for an electric pickup, because it cannot do what consumers need pickups to do. Not only does Ford not need the EV capacity that the massive new Tennessee plant was going to provide, it pretty much doesn’t need any EV capacity at all.
There is no way forward for Ford to resolve its EV nightmare, and Blue Oval City is a sunk cost that will likely have to be written off at some point. Ford’s traditional business units cannot continue to cover for its EV losses forever, no matter how passionate Bill Ford and CEO Jim Farley are about pleasing Klaus Schwab and Joe Biden.This latest news about Ford taking a $1.9 billion loss – on top of all its other multi-billion dollar EV losses - and postponing Blue Oval City until 2027, reflects nothing more than a continuous drip, drip, drip that is building into a flood of red ink that EVs are costing Ford. By the time Farley is finally dismissed, he may go down in memory as the “20 Billion Dollar Man” for how much he ultimately costs Ford and its shareholders in pursuit of the EV fairy tale. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
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Morning.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:01 AM (MMp4j)
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Get in bed w/the Feds...somebody's gonna' get fucked.
Posted by: BignJames at August 23, 2024 11:01 AM (AwYPR)
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I'm pretty sure Uncle Sugar will bail them out. Just like they did for GM.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at August 23, 2024 11:01 AM (luW68)
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The only profitable market for EVs is as a boutique, luxury product for status-seeking consumers who mainly use their vehicles for city driving.
I've said for years EVs would probably be good for big cities. Or golf carts. Whatever you need to help keep the smog levels down.
I've said for years EVs would probably be good for big cities. Or golf carts. Whatever you need to help keep the smog levels down.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:02 AM (MMp4j)
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Ford, which is losing millions on its current EVs, gave few details about the new products. But it said production of its next generation full-size electric pickup truck at Blue Oval City in West Tennessee will be delayed 18 months, until 2027.
Millions, billions, what's the diff?
There is no way forward for Ford to resolve its EV nightmare, and Blue Oval City is a sunk cost that will likely have to be written off at some point.
It might not solve their problems, but I'm sure everyone would feel better if Farley was drawn and quartered in the public square.
Millions, billions, what's the diff?
There is no way forward for Ford to resolve its EV nightmare, and Blue Oval City is a sunk cost that will likely have to be written off at some point.
It might not solve their problems, but I'm sure everyone would feel better if Farley was drawn and quartered in the public square.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2024 11:03 AM (xCA6C)
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I'm pretty sure Uncle Sugar will bail them out. Just like they did for GM.
Of course they will. That was always the understanding.
Of course they will. That was always the understanding.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2024 11:03 AM (xCA6C)
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FUN FACT: Ford CEO Farley is a member of the Harley-Davidson Board of Directors. You know, the BOD that set Harley on its disastrous lurch into woke DEI bullshit that triggered a huge boycott against the brand.
Farley is obviously a man of sound judgment.
Farley is obviously a man of sound judgment.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 23, 2024 11:04 AM (WBQfF)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 23, 2024 11:04 AM (L/fGl)
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Willowed:
After he gave man fire, Zeus was so pissed he had Prometheus laid out chained to a rock. Every day vultures would attack and eat out his liver. The next day he would wake up completely healed, and the cycle would start again.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 23, 2024 10:56 AM (WBQfF)
You get used to it.
Posted by: Prometheus at August 23, 2024 10:59 AM (MMp4j)
On the upside, Ridley Scott made a movie about me!!!
I'm really stoked to see it if i ever get off this rock!
After he gave man fire, Zeus was so pissed he had Prometheus laid out chained to a rock. Every day vultures would attack and eat out his liver. The next day he would wake up completely healed, and the cycle would start again.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 23, 2024 10:56 AM (WBQfF)
You get used to it.
Posted by: Prometheus at August 23, 2024 10:59 AM (MMp4j)
On the upside, Ridley Scott made a movie about me!!!
I'm really stoked to see it if i ever get off this rock!
Posted by: Prometheus at August 23, 2024 11:05 AM (eDfFs)
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Maybe smack Mr. Farley about a dozen times with the two-by-four and he'll gett the message, though it doesn't seem to be working on Bob Iger over at Disney.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 23, 2024 11:05 AM (wIDPQ)
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". . . ofter-than-expected demand"? The word they dared not use was "weaker.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2024 11:05 AM (J2vNu)
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Tesla has that market sewn up,
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Not anymore. BMM sold more EVs in Europe than Tesla did last quarter. As soon as the Chinese start flooding the market with their cheap shitty EVs Tesla will lose its #1 status here.
Tesla isn’t going away or anything but their run of being synonymous with EV is over.
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Not anymore. BMM sold more EVs in Europe than Tesla did last quarter. As soon as the Chinese start flooding the market with their cheap shitty EVs Tesla will lose its #1 status here.
Tesla isn’t going away or anything but their run of being synonymous with EV is over.
Posted by: Twilled at August 23, 2024 11:06 AM (UsJyx)
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They write it off, Jerry. They just write it off.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:06 AM (LkLld)
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Not to mention in the process of building that useless POS out there in West TN, that they hacked off quite a few rural voters who didn't appreciate the state government coming in and kicking them off their land.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 23, 2024 11:06 AM (fv27Y)
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By the time Farley is finally dismissed, he may go down in memory as the “20 Billion Dollar Man” for how much he ultimately costs Ford and its shareholders in pursuit of the EV fairy tale.
One of the problems with modern corporate America is that he'll pay no price for this level of failure. Perhaps his golden parachute will be marginally lighter but...nothing that really matters.
In the old days he would have been ostracized and strongly encouraged to take a pistol and a tumbler of brandy to his room and...not come back.
One of the problems with modern corporate America is that he'll pay no price for this level of failure. Perhaps his golden parachute will be marginally lighter but...nothing that really matters.
In the old days he would have been ostracized and strongly encouraged to take a pistol and a tumbler of brandy to his room and...not come back.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2024 11:06 AM (oZhjI)
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There's nothing wrong with Ford vehicles that installing spyware that snitches to the cops when you speed won't fix!
Posted by: Stateless at August 23, 2024 11:06 AM (jvJvP)
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OT, but does anybody have a link to the X from yesterday's Hannity afternoon show where he got his producer Linda to eat a Chicago hot dog (and she said she liked it)? I'm not on that and don't know how to search it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2024 11:06 AM (J2vNu)
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The only profitable market for EVs is as a boutique, luxury product for status-seeking consumers who mainly use their vehicles for city driving.
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The market is similar to, but smaller than, Corvette and 911 buyers. People of means who want toys to show off but also have two or three other vehicles for when they need a vehicle to do real-life things in.
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The market is similar to, but smaller than, Corvette and 911 buyers. People of means who want toys to show off but also have two or three other vehicles for when they need a vehicle to do real-life things in.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:07 AM (jzegu)
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softer-than-expected demand"? The word they dared not use was "weaker".
You misspelled "nonexistent".
You misspelled "nonexistent".
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2024 11:07 AM (xCA6C)
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" In 2021, the gullible Republican-controlled legislature in Tennessee, along with the gullible Republican governor, threw about one billion taxpayer dollars from its Rainy Day Fund at Ford to manufacture a massive new plant outside of Memphis. Known as Blue Oval City, the total cost of the project was estimated at close to $6 billion."
"Massive" does not adequately describe the size of that plant. It just goes on and on and on..... Never seen an industrial complex that big.
"Massive" does not adequately describe the size of that plant. It just goes on and on and on..... Never seen an industrial complex that big.
Posted by: Tuna at August 23, 2024 11:07 AM (oaGWv)
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BMW not BMM.
220,221 whatever.
220,221 whatever.
Posted by: Twilled at August 23, 2024 11:07 AM (UsJyx)
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I'm really stoked to see it if i ever get off this rock!
Posted by: Prometheus at August 23, 2024 11:05 AM (eDfFs)
Zeus: "No! It sucked...you stay here..."
Posted by: Prometheus at August 23, 2024 11:05 AM (eDfFs)
Zeus: "No! It sucked...you stay here..."
Posted by: Boswell at August 23, 2024 11:07 AM (K+UlC)
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I live in SoCal, the EV capital of the world. It's swarming with Teslas, plus the odd Lucid, Polestar, Rivian, Ioniq, etc.
I have seen about three Ford F150 Lightnings on the road since the started selling them. THREE.
Ford has to be losing its shirt on those albatrosses.
I have seen about three Ford F150 Lightnings on the road since the started selling them. THREE.
Ford has to be losing its shirt on those albatrosses.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 23, 2024 11:08 AM (WBQfF)
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I've said for years EVs would probably be good for big cities. Or golf carts.
Posted by: Robert
My wife and I visited Tangier Island in Chesapeake Bay on our 25th-anniversary trip. There are very few ICEs on the island. Most everybody gets around in what are essentially big golf carts, that they recharge every night. But it's a small island (and getting smaller), so they make sense there.
Posted by: Robert
My wife and I visited Tangier Island in Chesapeake Bay on our 25th-anniversary trip. There are very few ICEs on the island. Most everybody gets around in what are essentially big golf carts, that they recharge every night. But it's a small island (and getting smaller), so they make sense there.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:08 AM (v6JzV)
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Spoiler alert: No one wants "cheap" chinese EVs, either.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:08 AM (jzegu)
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Oops. My "S" in brackets above was intended to capitalize the quote, which didn't have one. Instead I got a strike-through.
"Weaker" than expected demand was the phrase they couldn't bring themselves to use.
"Weaker" than expected demand was the phrase they couldn't bring themselves to use.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2024 11:08 AM (J2vNu)
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When Trump called Gov Bill Lee a RINO he wasn't lying. He is such a phony gas bag. I wish TN would elect Kane as our governor, the retired wrestler who is the Mayor of Knox County.
Posted by: jmel at August 23, 2024 11:09 AM (RWHIh)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 23, 2024 11:09 AM (L/fGl)
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I cannot tell you how happy I am to see all of these auto makers losing their fortunes on the boondoggle of electric cars.
Posted by: Defenestratus at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (/nlB7)
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Thx Buck, very good post. I didn't know much about Jim Farley so I looked him up. Lo an behold he's the cousin of Chris Farley. Saying we have Tommy Boy as Ford's CEO isn't too far off
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (qKpsC)
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News just broke this week that on top of losing billions of dollars each year on its existing portfolio of EV products, Ford is going to take another huge loss to cancel planned production of an unwanted 3-row SUV, in addition to booking other charges related to its EV disaster.
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Their bonds are likely getting quite expensive.
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Their bonds are likely getting quite expensive.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (HnUIn)
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25 Spoiler alert: No one wants "cheap" chinese EVs, either.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:08 AM (jzegu)
Then why are Big 3 and Tesla fighting so hard to slap tariffs on them? These Chinese cars will be what Honda an and Toyota were in the 60s and 70s. Nobody wanted one. Until everybody wanted one.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:08 AM (jzegu)
Then why are Big 3 and Tesla fighting so hard to slap tariffs on them? These Chinese cars will be what Honda an and Toyota were in the 60s and 70s. Nobody wanted one. Until everybody wanted one.
Posted by: Twilled at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (UsJyx)
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I've said for years EVs would probably be good for big cities. Or golf carts.
Posted by: Robert
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As was mentioned above, that's the comical part. People in areas that can use $7K golf carts already use golf carts. No one wants or needs a redundant $40K+ vehicle that can't easily travel.
Posted by: Robert
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As was mentioned above, that's the comical part. People in areas that can use $7K golf carts already use golf carts. No one wants or needs a redundant $40K+ vehicle that can't easily travel.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (jzegu)
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Ford also has a "Blue Oval" complex in Glendale, KY. It too is not going to be producing EV related components after the plant's commitments for those are completed. One plant is mostly finished and I believe will be retooled to manufacture ICE F-150's.
The best selling Ford vehicle.
Farley is one stupid shit, but he's doing exactly what the junta wants.
The best selling Ford vehicle.
Farley is one stupid shit, but he's doing exactly what the junta wants.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: DaveA at August 23, 2024 11:11 AM (FhXTo)
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When Trump called Gov Bill Lee a RINO he wasn't lying. He is such a phony gas bag. I wish TN would elect Kane as our governor, the retired wrestler who is the Mayor of Knox County.
He's the one that let them hide the tranny shooter's manifesto right?
He's the one that let them hide the tranny shooter's manifesto right?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2024 11:11 AM (oZhjI)
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>>Kurt Schlichter: The Democrats Truly Hate Us Normal People
I find hating them right back a very satisfying solution.
I find hating them right back a very satisfying solution.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:11 AM (LkLld)
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No enough people have an extra $50K to blow on a "just around town" vehicle, just so they can be "Woke Approved".
Resale sucks, plugging in every night includes a risk of fire, batteries only get weaker and will need $$$ replacement in due time ... other than that, they are great.
Resale sucks, plugging in every night includes a risk of fire, batteries only get weaker and will need $$$ replacement in due time ... other than that, they are great.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2024 11:11 AM (Cus5s)
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Yes, moo-moo, we know. EVs are awesome and the fact that the producers of EVs want to protect their racket is proof that everyone wants one.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:11 AM (jzegu)
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Kurt Schlichter: The Democrats Truly Hate Us Normal People
They believe our mere existence is stopping the utopia they want. Hate is an understatement
They believe our mere existence is stopping the utopia they want. Hate is an understatement
Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2024 11:12 AM (oZhjI)
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Nice work.
>>>The company said it plans to leverage hybrid technology for the new three-row SUVs.
"Ford focuses its next generation of electrified and digitally advanced vehicles where it has competitive advantages -- commercial vans, mid-size and large pickup trucks, and long-range SUVs -- and will offer a range of electrification options designed to speed customer adoption, including lower prices and longer ranges," the statement said.
- UPI 8/21
Small and mid-size hybrid trucks would be the only market I would expect Ford to make money on, perhaps an SUV. Better still, a diesel small and mid-size offering would be great, if not pure fantasy.
>>>The company said it plans to leverage hybrid technology for the new three-row SUVs.
"Ford focuses its next generation of electrified and digitally advanced vehicles where it has competitive advantages -- commercial vans, mid-size and large pickup trucks, and long-range SUVs -- and will offer a range of electrification options designed to speed customer adoption, including lower prices and longer ranges," the statement said.
- UPI 8/21
Small and mid-size hybrid trucks would be the only market I would expect Ford to make money on, perhaps an SUV. Better still, a diesel small and mid-size offering would be great, if not pure fantasy.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:12 AM (i24o9)
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And when the battery in that cheap chinese EV goes bad in a few years (or months) you find out that it's like all other cheap chinese electronics. Disposable. That is if you're lucky it doesn't burst into flames in your garage.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at August 23, 2024 11:12 AM (fv27Y)
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So, what was it that made their expectations for EV demand so incongruent with actual EV demand?
Da gubment!
I think too many states are passing legislation that might affect what type of vehicle you can get in the near future. Trump/Vance need to address this issue.
Da gubment!
I think too many states are passing legislation that might affect what type of vehicle you can get in the near future. Trump/Vance need to address this issue.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 23, 2024 11:12 AM (wIDPQ)
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I think the left hates all people, themselves included. Which is why they want to destroy humanity.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:13 AM (v6JzV)
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Not only does Ford not need the EV capacity that the massive new Tennessee plant was going to provide, it pretty much doesn’t need any EV capacity at all.
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Hey, the losses have been partially socialized, though, so all is well.
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Hey, the losses have been partially socialized, though, so all is well.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:13 AM (HnUIn)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 23, 2024 11:13 AM (qky8v)
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If Ford persists in the stupidity, then what happens to them as a company happens. Too bad, but appropriate.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at August 23, 2024 11:13 AM (hKoQL)
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sooooo unlucky ....
Posted by: Qmark at August 23, 2024 11:13 AM (ppWTM)
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Oh no!
Anyway...
Anyway...
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 23, 2024 11:13 AM (bGKz1)
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Schools are teaching these "leaders" that they can ignore reality. You can't live in a fantasy world and expect your company will survive. Your shit has to work, reliably at least as well as the shit that is out there now, or be a lot cheaper. It is neither for Ford. They are going to be a lot smaller, if they survive.
Posted by: Repetitive suffering at August 23, 2024 11:13 AM (I3SCU)
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Did you see how the overton window worked?
Yay, we beat EVs. Now we'll get hybrids with tiny engines.
Yay, we beat EVs. Now we'll get hybrids with tiny engines.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:14 AM (jzegu)
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Last week I was offered what I paid for my 2019 F-150, three years ago. Nope. A good truck.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 23, 2024 11:14 AM (W/lyH)
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There is not enough lithium on the planet to replace all the existing ICE cars with EVs.
The plan was never to do so...it was just a stepping stone to eliminate ICE cars and force the normies onto public transit.
The plan was never to do so...it was just a stepping stone to eliminate ICE cars and force the normies onto public transit.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 23, 2024 11:14 AM (oZhjI)
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As was mentioned above, that's the comical part. People in areas that can use $7K golf carts already use golf carts. No one wants or needs a redundant $40K+ vehicle that can't easily travel.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (jzegu)
Next step up, at least in rural areas are sport Side by Side (SxS) vehicles like the RZR. I see more of those now than golf carts.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (jzegu)
Next step up, at least in rural areas are sport Side by Side (SxS) vehicles like the RZR. I see more of those now than golf carts.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:15 AM (i24o9)
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Coulter says Biden's speech was Shakespearian.
Ann Coulter: Biden's Speech: Told by an Idiot, Full of Sound and Fury
Ann Coulter: Biden's Speech: Told by an Idiot, Full of Sound and Fury
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at August 23, 2024 11:15 AM (L/fGl)
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Good rant as usual, Buck. Appreciate you bringing these threads which remind me of El Rushbo's "Environmental Updates".
And Howdy to all the rest youse Hordelings too!
And Howdy to all the rest youse Hordelings too!
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:15 AM (Jk6ck)
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The market is similar to, but smaller than, Corvette and 911 buyers. People of means who want toys to show off but also have two or three other vehicles for when they need a vehicle to do real-life things in.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:07 AM (jzegu)
This is exactly why my "exotic" dream car is about the most practical vehicle anyone could drive - apart from maintenance and fuel costs. I can drive it from point A to B no matter where A or B are, in any weather condition (drove it right through the middle of two hurricanes), has a carrying capacity of over 3000lbs with a towing capacity of 7500lbs (I wouldn't do both at once) all the while sitting in heated leather chairs and the soothing rattle of an IDI diesel engine next to your knee. This past weekend I pulled the stump of a blown over pine tree out with its over 700lbs/ft of torque.
You can have your Porsche - I'll keep my "impractical" tank thank you very much.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:07 AM (jzegu)
This is exactly why my "exotic" dream car is about the most practical vehicle anyone could drive - apart from maintenance and fuel costs. I can drive it from point A to B no matter where A or B are, in any weather condition (drove it right through the middle of two hurricanes), has a carrying capacity of over 3000lbs with a towing capacity of 7500lbs (I wouldn't do both at once) all the while sitting in heated leather chairs and the soothing rattle of an IDI diesel engine next to your knee. This past weekend I pulled the stump of a blown over pine tree out with its over 700lbs/ft of torque.
You can have your Porsche - I'll keep my "impractical" tank thank you very much.
Posted by: Defenestratus at August 23, 2024 11:15 AM (jwAmR)
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think the left hates all people, themselves included. Which is why they want to destroy humanity.
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Self loathing, nihilists do not make good fellow countrymen. When you think humanity is a stain on gaia you are not invested in the future and have no incentive to build.
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Self loathing, nihilists do not make good fellow countrymen. When you think humanity is a stain on gaia you are not invested in the future and have no incentive to build.
Posted by: Repetitive suffering at August 23, 2024 11:16 AM (I3SCU)
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No worries. We'll just put together a new Powerpoint deck with lots of snazzy buzzwords and all will be well!
Posted by: Finance MBAs at August 23, 2024 11:17 AM (2UnvF)
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Next step up, at least in rural areas are sport Side by Side (SxS) vehicles like the RZR. I see more of those now than golf carts.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Yep. I've seen them with tags, too. I guess they're considered motorcycles.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Yep. I've seen them with tags, too. I guess they're considered motorcycles.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:17 AM (jzegu)
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>>Farley is one stupid shit, but he's doing exactly what the junta wants.
The second part of your sentence explains the first. It wasn't just Farley, every car manufacturer jumped into the game because government made it clear they were going to destroy the oil and gas industry and pour billions into golf carts. You see a lot of the same behavior in the electric utility market where they have been pouring billions into renewables.
It would be nice to have a free market economy but we don't have one. We have an economy where government puts its very big thumb on the side of the scale they want to succeed and businesses follow the lead.
Farley might be an idiot but that is almost beside the point. If it wasn't for government pressure there wouldn't be an EV market.
The second part of your sentence explains the first. It wasn't just Farley, every car manufacturer jumped into the game because government made it clear they were going to destroy the oil and gas industry and pour billions into golf carts. You see a lot of the same behavior in the electric utility market where they have been pouring billions into renewables.
It would be nice to have a free market economy but we don't have one. We have an economy where government puts its very big thumb on the side of the scale they want to succeed and businesses follow the lead.
Farley might be an idiot but that is almost beside the point. If it wasn't for government pressure there wouldn't be an EV market.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:17 AM (LkLld)
62
Ford can just make it up by starting prices for F150s at 150k.
Posted by: brak at August 23, 2024 11:18 AM (NGHTx)
63
"For that reason alone, I could run Ford much better than Jim Farley, and for a lot less money."
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You'll never get a golden parachute with that attitude!
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You'll never get a golden parachute with that attitude!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 23, 2024 11:18 AM (7fElN)
64
If only Montec were here to defend the honor of electric vehicles.
Posted by: Forsooth at August 23, 2024 11:18 AM (P3jvJ)
65
Well, that was a lot of American productivity down the drain.
Well, that was a lot of American productivity down the drain.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (lCaJd)
66
Nobody wanted one. Until everybody wanted one.
Posted by: Twilled
Considering that most of the exploding batteries are of Chinese manufacture, I expect that demand will be hot, and then SUPER hot for a few days, and then will mysteriously cool down to nonexistent afterwards.
Posted by: Twilled
Considering that most of the exploding batteries are of Chinese manufacture, I expect that demand will be hot, and then SUPER hot for a few days, and then will mysteriously cool down to nonexistent afterwards.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (hB7mE)
67
The Bronco sales are also down 25% from last year.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (B1dzx)
68
The company said it plans to leverage hybrid technology for the new three-row SUVs.
"Ford focuses its next generation of electrified and digitally advanced vehicles where it has competitive advantages -- commercial vans, mid-size and large pickup trucks, and long-range SUVs -- and will offer a range of electrification options designed to speed customer adoption, including lower prices and longer ranges," the statement said.
- UPI 8/21 ...
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:12 AM (i24o9)
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Ah, so someone is taking a page out of Toyota's book. "Toyota is electrified diversified."
Toyota's marketing has shifted over the past year. Hybrids are now "Hybrid EVs." Full electric cars are "All-electric EVs" and the like.
Toyota is the lone major manufacturer that did *not* go all-in on pure EVs and now that the bloom is off the rose, they're moving into skin-suit marketing to market the option that is often superior - hybrids - to people who *really* want an EV but know how bad an idea it would be for them and their use cases.
Hyundai kept up hybrid development, too, but went much harder after pure EVs. Toyota alone did not.
"Ford focuses its next generation of electrified and digitally advanced vehicles where it has competitive advantages -- commercial vans, mid-size and large pickup trucks, and long-range SUVs -- and will offer a range of electrification options designed to speed customer adoption, including lower prices and longer ranges," the statement said.
- UPI 8/21 ...
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:12 AM (i24o9)
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Ah, so someone is taking a page out of Toyota's book. "Toyota is electrified diversified."
Toyota's marketing has shifted over the past year. Hybrids are now "Hybrid EVs." Full electric cars are "All-electric EVs" and the like.
Toyota is the lone major manufacturer that did *not* go all-in on pure EVs and now that the bloom is off the rose, they're moving into skin-suit marketing to market the option that is often superior - hybrids - to people who *really* want an EV but know how bad an idea it would be for them and their use cases.
Hyundai kept up hybrid development, too, but went much harder after pure EVs. Toyota alone did not.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (HnUIn)
69
@55--Fullof Sound and Fury, Signifying Nothing.
Except perhaps that the orator is a leftwit idiot, which is his/her only significance.
Except perhaps that the orator is a leftwit idiot, which is his/her only significance.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (hKoQL)
70
If only Montec were here to defend the honor of electric vehicles.
Posted by: Forsooth
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look upthread.
Posted by: Forsooth
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look upthread.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (jzegu)
71
I recall a recent article describe an EV that exploded in flame as it was being driven to the side of a Texas road. Sadly, the driver couldn't get out and they were finally able to identify him from teeth.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2024 11:20 AM (gtPgO)
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Resale sucks, plugging in every night includes a risk of fire, batteries only get weaker and will need $$$ replacement in due time ... other than that, they are great.
Posted by: illiniwek
I've been telling people this: the reason for the BIG push for EVs so short in time is in 5-10 years all those batteries are going to need replacement.
You've made 6-7 years of payments, and 3-5 years after that are looking at 20K battery investment.
That's a nice used car right now, depending upon your needs. They need to eliminate ICE vehicles before that becomes apparent to everyone. So the current EV customers can't easily go back to ICE vehicles.
Posted by: illiniwek
I've been telling people this: the reason for the BIG push for EVs so short in time is in 5-10 years all those batteries are going to need replacement.
You've made 6-7 years of payments, and 3-5 years after that are looking at 20K battery investment.
That's a nice used car right now, depending upon your needs. They need to eliminate ICE vehicles before that becomes apparent to everyone. So the current EV customers can't easily go back to ICE vehicles.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 23, 2024 11:20 AM (FxH7T)
73
(tries to remember how the government was involved in forcing everyone to suddenly "want" a small vehicle in the 70s)
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:20 AM (jzegu)
74
The most infuriating part of this is that the State took land from a private owner to benefit another private entity.
This "your land for our tax boondoggles" pisses me off to no end.
This "your land for our tax boondoggles" pisses me off to no end.
Posted by: SARDiver at August 23, 2024 11:20 AM (Cmxw7)
75
Thanks, Buck, these updates are always enjoyable in a cringeworthy way.
"Madame Vice President, in light of what the market has been demonstrating since you and President took Biden office, do you still plan to try to force the Green New Deal on the American people?"
"Have you added to the seven electric charging stations your administration oversaw? Why not if you are convinced this was a great idea?"
"If you are going to follow through with what seems like any six year old would call a debacles, on what fact based evidence do you continue a quest that has been an abject failure thus far?
"At what point do you acknowledge that this has become a total boondoggle that the taxpayers of this country, the middle class, who you say you know what it means to be part of from your personal experience, cannot begin to afford?"
"Madame Vice President, in light of what the market has been demonstrating since you and President took Biden office, do you still plan to try to force the Green New Deal on the American people?"
"Have you added to the seven electric charging stations your administration oversaw? Why not if you are convinced this was a great idea?"
"If you are going to follow through with what seems like any six year old would call a debacles, on what fact based evidence do you continue a quest that has been an abject failure thus far?
"At what point do you acknowledge that this has become a total boondoggle that the taxpayers of this country, the middle class, who you say you know what it means to be part of from your personal experience, cannot begin to afford?"
Posted by: RM at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (WXucK)
Posted by: Stateless at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (jvJvP)
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Saw earlier this week a EV Tractor trailer caught fire shutting down a California interstate road
Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (W05AI)
78
Ford: Putting the "subside" into subsidies!
Posted by: Muldoon at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (991eG)
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15 minute cities. No need for any personal transportation. Papers required to move between sectors. Social credit required to buy goods and services.
The EV was a gateway to get us there. It still is. The Democrats will return to the capitol city in force one day and make this our reality.
Maybe that day is sooner than we think.
The EV was a gateway to get us there. It still is. The Democrats will return to the capitol city in force one day and make this our reality.
Maybe that day is sooner than we think.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (Q4IgG)
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BTW, Thomas Sowell wants Trump to get a move on:
If the Republicans lose this year's election--against an administration whose policies have been rejected by the public in poll after poll--they will deserve to lose.
But do 330 million Americans deserve to see their lives ruined by another four years of the Democrats' economic disasters and unchecked violence by both domestic and imported criminals?
Against this background, why is this election even close?
https://shorturl.at/TzgtN
If the Republicans lose this year's election--against an administration whose policies have been rejected by the public in poll after poll--they will deserve to lose.
But do 330 million Americans deserve to see their lives ruined by another four years of the Democrats' economic disasters and unchecked violence by both domestic and imported criminals?
Against this background, why is this election even close?
https://shorturl.at/TzgtN
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (gtPgO)
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These Chinese cars will be what Honda an and Toyota were in the 60s and 70s. Nobody wanted one. Until everybody wanted one.
Or...they could be the new Yugos. Nobody wanted one, and then everybody kept not wanting one.
Or...they could be the new Yugos. Nobody wanted one, and then everybody kept not wanting one.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2024 11:22 AM (xCA6C)
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nd will offer a range of electrification options designed to speed customer adoption, including lower prices and longer ranges," the statement said.
When will the braintrust at the automakers finally figure out that its not range that consumers are rejecting - its recharge rate.
People are lining up to buy the new Lexus GX550 and Land Cruisers. I was. There's a year long wait for it if you order today. It has a 19 gallon tank and gets only 17mpg. Thats not great (especially for an "overlander") range but nobody GAF because it only takes 2 minutes to completely restore that range.
EV's will NEVER appeal to mass market consumers because it simply requires that you re-arrange your travel plans according to your VEHICLE'S requirements, not your own.
My wife and I just picked up a new puppy two weeks ago around Charlottesville VA and rented a Ford Edge to drive the little guy up to Maine. It took 15 hours only because we had to stop all of the time to let little bladder guy do his business. I couldn't imagine doing that in an EV if I had to sit around and wait for it to charge every 200 miles or so.
When will the braintrust at the automakers finally figure out that its not range that consumers are rejecting - its recharge rate.
People are lining up to buy the new Lexus GX550 and Land Cruisers. I was. There's a year long wait for it if you order today. It has a 19 gallon tank and gets only 17mpg. Thats not great (especially for an "overlander") range but nobody GAF because it only takes 2 minutes to completely restore that range.
EV's will NEVER appeal to mass market consumers because it simply requires that you re-arrange your travel plans according to your VEHICLE'S requirements, not your own.
My wife and I just picked up a new puppy two weeks ago around Charlottesville VA and rented a Ford Edge to drive the little guy up to Maine. It took 15 hours only because we had to stop all of the time to let little bladder guy do his business. I couldn't imagine doing that in an EV if I had to sit around and wait for it to charge every 200 miles or so.
Posted by: Defenestratus at August 23, 2024 11:22 AM (oLya/)
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Supreme Court decision this summer pretty much destroyed the government's ability to push for 100% EV...
Posted by: Nova Local at August 23, 2024 11:22 AM (exHjb)
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Last night the power went off from 200am to 500am. But only on my side of the street. About 20 houses. No storm or winds and our power lines are buried in the neighborhood. I wonder if the teslas plugged on this side of the street tripped a breaker because it got too hot or something.
Posted by: Repetitive suffering at August 23, 2024 11:22 AM (I3SCU)
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62 Ford can just make it up by starting prices for F150s at 150k.
Posted by: brak at August 23, 2024 11:18 AM
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Sadly, because of their actions, that might become the fair market price for ICE F150s.
Posted by: brak at August 23, 2024 11:18 AM
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Sadly, because of their actions, that might become the fair market price for ICE F150s.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 23, 2024 11:23 AM (wzAuc)
86
Recently I read an article about Ford's Explorer police vehicles having their engines catch fire probably due to piston rods breaking and puncturing the engine block.
Posted by: First time caller number three at August 23, 2024 11:23 AM (TLBJy)
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Hey, we have to keep our stockholders happy, and that means BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street- with a combined ownership of 800 million shares worth $8.8 billion- can absolutely reward me handsomely for whatever they want.
Posted by: People's CEO, Jim Farley at August 23, 2024 11:23 AM (RFx0q)
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Or...they could be the new Yugos. Nobody wanted one, and then everybody kept not wanting one.
Posted by: Archimedes
Loved Paul Shanklin's "In a Yugo" parody on Rush.
Posted by: Archimedes
Loved Paul Shanklin's "In a Yugo" parody on Rush.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:23 AM (v6JzV)
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I've been telling people this: the reason for the BIG push for EVs so short in time is in 5-10 years all those batteries are going to need replacement.
they don't want you to own anything longer than that, always trade in and roll into a new payment
actually they don't want you to own anything
cars will go the same way as software -- a service, with a monthly fee
you'll own nothing and like it
they don't want you to own anything longer than that, always trade in and roll into a new payment
actually they don't want you to own anything
cars will go the same way as software -- a service, with a monthly fee
you'll own nothing and like it
Posted by: brak at August 23, 2024 11:23 AM (NGHTx)
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That's a nice used car right now, depending upon your needs. They need to eliminate ICE vehicles before that becomes apparent to everyone. So the current EV customers can't easily go back to ICE vehicles.
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half of EV owners switch back to real cars. Pro-WEF /pro-EV McKinsey:
"Forty-six percent of current electric vehicle (EV) owners in the United States told McKinsey & Co. they would likely switch back to an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle during the firm’s 2024 Mobility Consumer Global Survey. "
https://tinyurl.com/29b7pq4z
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half of EV owners switch back to real cars. Pro-WEF /pro-EV McKinsey:
"Forty-six percent of current electric vehicle (EV) owners in the United States told McKinsey & Co. they would likely switch back to an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle during the firm’s 2024 Mobility Consumer Global Survey. "
https://tinyurl.com/29b7pq4z
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:24 AM (jzegu)
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Posted by: Repetitive suffering at August 23, 2024 11:22 AM (I3SCU
If you have extra fridges or freezers, check them.
We have a Generac but breakers were tripped last time power was restored.
If you have extra fridges or freezers, check them.
We have a Generac but breakers were tripped last time power was restored.
Posted by: Stateless at August 23, 2024 11:24 AM (jvJvP)
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If only Montec were here to defend the honor of electric vehicles.
Posted by: Forsooth
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look upthread.
Who is he?
Posted by: Forsooth
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look upthread.
Who is he?
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2024 11:24 AM (xCA6C)
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BTW, Thomas Sowell wants Trump to get a move on:
If the Republicans lose this year's election--against an administration whose policies have been rejected by the public in poll after poll--they will deserve to lose.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (gtPgO)
Hard to beat the cheat
If the Republicans lose this year's election--against an administration whose policies have been rejected by the public in poll after poll--they will deserve to lose.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (gtPgO)
Hard to beat the cheat
Posted by: BignJames at August 23, 2024 11:24 AM (AwYPR)
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Maybe buy and stash away a supply used IC cars, and plan to sell them in the future to desperate EV buyer looking to change.
Make some money out of this debacle.
Make some money out of this debacle.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2024 11:25 AM (gtPgO)
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Shame too because Ford is the company that didn’t take the huge bailout though only because the had secured a huge loan prior to the crisis.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:25 AM (B1dzx)
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15 minute cities. No need for any personal transportation. Papers required to move between sectors. Social credit required to buy goods and services.
The EV was a gateway to get us there. It still is. The Democrats will return to the capitol city in force one day and make this our reality. ...
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (Q4IgG)
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There is a much, much bigger problem: money. They will try it, and will try to shoehorn it in, but this scheme requires rebuilding most of the major cities on earth. That can't be done. So the real plan will be to rebuild a few of them and concentrate the entire population into them at ludicrous density, Oriental style.
But unlike the Oriental model of urbanization, the populations aren't going to self-migrate. It worked - sort of - in the Orient because those new mega-cities did have genuine economic opportunity. It was a bum deal society-wise, but it did make economic sense and so people did it.
The contrived version will also be devoid of economic opportunity. They can deliberately destroy opportunity outside of the mega-cities, but can't do so completely because those non-mega-city areas still need to exist and produce.
The EV was a gateway to get us there. It still is. The Democrats will return to the capitol city in force one day and make this our reality. ...
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (Q4IgG)
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There is a much, much bigger problem: money. They will try it, and will try to shoehorn it in, but this scheme requires rebuilding most of the major cities on earth. That can't be done. So the real plan will be to rebuild a few of them and concentrate the entire population into them at ludicrous density, Oriental style.
But unlike the Oriental model of urbanization, the populations aren't going to self-migrate. It worked - sort of - in the Orient because those new mega-cities did have genuine economic opportunity. It was a bum deal society-wise, but it did make economic sense and so people did it.
The contrived version will also be devoid of economic opportunity. They can deliberately destroy opportunity outside of the mega-cities, but can't do so completely because those non-mega-city areas still need to exist and produce.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (HnUIn)
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Not to mention in the process of building that useless POS out there in West TN, that they hacked off quite a few rural voters who didn't appreciate the state government coming in and kicking them off their land.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
Tell us about it. But isn't Gavin Newsom just dreamy?
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
Tell us about it. But isn't Gavin Newsom just dreamy?
Posted by: Californians Who Had Their Land Taken by Imminent Domain for the High Speed Rail at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (R5qj7)
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EV's.
Envision what can be, unburdened by what has been.
You know, pesky stuff like the First Law of thermodynamics and reality.
Envision what can be, unburdened by what has been.
You know, pesky stuff like the First Law of thermodynamics and reality.
Posted by: Muldoon at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (991eG)
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Then why are Big 3 and Tesla fighting so hard to slap tariffs on them? These Chinese cars will be what Honda an and Toyota were in the 60s and 70s. Nobody wanted one. Until everybody wanted one.
Posted by: Twilled at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (UsJyx)
Not equal circumstances.
Japanese cars succeeded because they were engineered better, lasted forever, more gas efficient, COST LESS, better built, and didn't have to deal with lame-ass union sabotage like leaving pop bottles in car frames to produce annoying rattles.
EVs offer a ton of disadvantages and no advantages over ICE cars.
It won't be the same esp if Trump wins and the gov't thumb comes off the EV scale.
Posted by: Twilled at August 23, 2024 11:10 AM (UsJyx)
Not equal circumstances.
Japanese cars succeeded because they were engineered better, lasted forever, more gas efficient, COST LESS, better built, and didn't have to deal with lame-ass union sabotage like leaving pop bottles in car frames to produce annoying rattles.
EVs offer a ton of disadvantages and no advantages over ICE cars.
It won't be the same esp if Trump wins and the gov't thumb comes off the EV scale.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (eDfFs)
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Loved Paul Shanklin's "In a Yugo" parody on Rush.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:23 AM (v6JzV)
One of his best!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:23 AM (v6JzV)
One of his best!
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (Jk6ck)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (Ia6mP)
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they're moving into skin-suit marketing to market the option that is often superior - hybrids - to people who *really* want an EV but know how bad an idea it would be for them and their use cases.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (HnUIn)
They are superior in nearly every way to pure EVs, and their potential market, outside of the cults, is vastly larger.
It is the only smart play, while you can always do the marketing jujitsu to bring the cultists along.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (HnUIn)
They are superior in nearly every way to pure EVs, and their potential market, outside of the cults, is vastly larger.
It is the only smart play, while you can always do the marketing jujitsu to bring the cultists along.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (i24o9)
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Farley is some relation to that fat so called "comedian" Chris Farley.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
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They are superior in nearly every way to pure EVs, and their potential market, outside of the cults, is vastly larger.
It is the only smart play, while you can always do the marketing jujitsu to bring the cultists along.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (i24o9)
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Ehh, EVs are mechanically simpler and have lower maintenance requirements than hybrids. Yes, there all the other downsides - namely longevity of the power plant - that everyone already knows about, but if you're an urbanite who cycles out of his car every 5 years or so, an EV might be superior. But that is a fairly narrow market segment. For most people, hybrids are usually better.
And only Toyota kept at hybrids hard.
It is the only smart play, while you can always do the marketing jujitsu to bring the cultists along.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:26 AM (i24o9)
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Ehh, EVs are mechanically simpler and have lower maintenance requirements than hybrids. Yes, there all the other downsides - namely longevity of the power plant - that everyone already knows about, but if you're an urbanite who cycles out of his car every 5 years or so, an EV might be superior. But that is a fairly narrow market segment. For most people, hybrids are usually better.
And only Toyota kept at hybrids hard.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (HnUIn)
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Recently I read an article about Ford's Explorer police vehicles having their engines catch fire probably due to piston rods breaking and puncturing the engine block.
Posted by: First time caller number three at August 23, 2024
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Whereas the Ford Crown Vic sedans, derided as "out-of-date," didn't do that. . . .
Posted by: First time caller number three at August 23, 2024
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Whereas the Ford Crown Vic sedans, derided as "out-of-date," didn't do that. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (J2vNu)
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A tweet from Rob Schneider, big RFK Jr. supporter, worth reading in its entirety.
>>@RobSchneider
>>Dear Fellow Robert Kennedy Jr. supporters and American Citizens .....
https://tinyurl.com/3k6a9eb2
>>@RobSchneider
>>Dear Fellow Robert Kennedy Jr. supporters and American Citizens .....
https://tinyurl.com/3k6a9eb2
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (LkLld)
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Farley is some relation to that fat so called "comedian" Chris Farley.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
Chris Farley was hilarious.
All the best comedians use a ton of cocaine.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
Chris Farley was hilarious.
All the best comedians use a ton of cocaine.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:29 AM (MMp4j)
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Farley is some relation to that fat so called "comedian" Chris Farley.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench)
Both are dead?
Farley is some relation to that fat so called "comedian" Chris Farley.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench)
Both are dead?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (Ia6mP)
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Against this background, why is this election even close?
With respect, Prof. Sowell, look at your assumptions. You know the background. That part is real.
With respect, Prof. Sowell, look at your assumptions. You know the background. That part is real.
Posted by: t-bird at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (QHWjA)
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Farley is some relation to that fat so called "comedian" Chris Farley.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
Your disdain for the great Chris Farley certainly earns you the parenthetical part of your nickname
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
Your disdain for the great Chris Farley certainly earns you the parenthetical part of your nickname
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (Jk6ck)
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77 Saw earlier this week a EV Tractor trailer caught fire shutting down a California interstate road
i saw a report somewhere that it was one of them thar tesla electric semis.
i saw a report somewhere that it was one of them thar tesla electric semis.
Posted by: anachronda at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (oY6Yp)
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Doof!
Funny story: I was typing your nic yesterday on my phone and autocorrect changed it to "Adolf."
Funny story: I was typing your nic yesterday on my phone and autocorrect changed it to "Adolf."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (v6JzV)
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Farley is some relation to that fat so called "comedian" Chris Farley.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
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Just as Ford is some relation to a bad joke of a company.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
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Just as Ford is some relation to a bad joke of a company.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (gtPgO)
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Whereas the Ford Crown Vic sedans, derided as "out-of-date," didn't do that. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (J2vNu)
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The Panther platform was very long in the tooth and was due for an end-to-end redesign for both technical and regulatory reasons. Ford had to make a decision: do that for a market that almost does not exist outside of fleet services (rear-drive full-size sedans), or retire it and market SUVs to fleets instead.
I have a Lincoln Town Car that I love. I love the Panther platform and wish it had not been retired. But I understand how it happened. It served a consumer market that no longer existed, and the math on redesigning a fleet-only vehicle (read: low margin) probably didn't make sense.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (J2vNu)
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The Panther platform was very long in the tooth and was due for an end-to-end redesign for both technical and regulatory reasons. Ford had to make a decision: do that for a market that almost does not exist outside of fleet services (rear-drive full-size sedans), or retire it and market SUVs to fleets instead.
I have a Lincoln Town Car that I love. I love the Panther platform and wish it had not been retired. But I understand how it happened. It served a consumer market that no longer existed, and the math on redesigning a fleet-only vehicle (read: low margin) probably didn't make sense.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)
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I questioned the decision years ago to just skip the hybrid option period in favor of pure EVs. I’m sure others did the same.
The decision and subsequent realization is like the NY Times just now seeing Biden’s foreign bribes connection.
The decision and subsequent realization is like the NY Times just now seeing Biden’s foreign bribes connection.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:31 AM (B1dzx)
116
Doof!
Funny story: I was typing your nic yesterday on my phone and autocorrect changed it to "Adolf."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (v6JzV)
That's an unfortunate auto-cucumber!
Did I miss something about me yesterday??
Funny story: I was typing your nic yesterday on my phone and autocorrect changed it to "Adolf."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (v6JzV)
That's an unfortunate auto-cucumber!
Did I miss something about me yesterday??
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:32 AM (Jk6ck)
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"cars will go the same way as software -- a service, with a monthly fee"
Ohhhh. Wow. A subscription.
Ohhhh. Wow. A subscription.
Posted by: RM at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (WXucK)
118
Ehh, EVs are mechanically simpler and have lower maintenance requirements than hybrids.
Common claim made by EVangelists but in reality doesn't pan out. Those EV's still have suspension, steering, HVAC, cooling and infotainment systems. The only real change is the the motor and drivetrain.
Whereas on ICE vehicles, those components are serviceable by component (if your engine starts making a weird noise, you just replace the component that is causing the problem) whereas EV's - if the "drivetrain" is bad it necessitates a full replacement of that motor. It is rare in the ICE world for a repair to require the wholesale replacement of an engine (unless you're a Toyota Tundra).
Common claim made by EVangelists but in reality doesn't pan out. Those EV's still have suspension, steering, HVAC, cooling and infotainment systems. The only real change is the the motor and drivetrain.
Whereas on ICE vehicles, those components are serviceable by component (if your engine starts making a weird noise, you just replace the component that is causing the problem) whereas EV's - if the "drivetrain" is bad it necessitates a full replacement of that motor. It is rare in the ICE world for a repair to require the wholesale replacement of an engine (unless you're a Toyota Tundra).
Posted by: Defenestratus at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (oLya/)
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EV's.
Envision what can be, unburdened by what has been.
EVs.
Never drive further out than you're willing to walk back.
Envision what can be, unburdened by what has been.
EVs.
Never drive further out than you're willing to walk back.
Posted by: t-bird at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (xw/ji)
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Farley is some relation to that fat so called "comedian" Chris Farley.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
Your disdain for the great Chris Farley certainly earns you the parenthetical part of your nickname
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (Jk6ck
Farley was like Curley. I don’t know any women who liked the Three Stooges.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (4XwPj)
Your disdain for the great Chris Farley certainly earns you the parenthetical part of your nickname
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:30 AM (Jk6ck
Farley was like Curley. I don’t know any women who liked the Three Stooges.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (B1dzx)
121
probably due to piston rods breaking
Oh, missy. PISTON RODS?
What. In the goddam hell. Is a piston rod?
Oh, missy. PISTON RODS?
What. In the goddam hell. Is a piston rod?
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 23, 2024 11:34 AM (zdLoL)
122
Did RFKjr endorse Trump?
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 23, 2024 11:34 AM (4XwPj)
123
Schneider was working the CAPS key like a crack-addled macaque
Schneider was working the CAPS key like a crack-addled macaque
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024 11:34 AM (LTLE1)
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Did I miss something about me yesterday??
Posted by: Doof
I was just responding to one of your comments, I think. Nothing important.
Posted by: Doof
I was just responding to one of your comments, I think. Nothing important.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (v6JzV)
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It's really unbelievable. "JOURNALISTS" are telling Kamala not to disclose her plans.
OLD AND BUSTED: Pelosi: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
The New Hotness? We have to elect the candidate so you can find out what her policies are:
"It's a vibes election!" proclaims Kasie Hunt.
CNN doubles down on encouraging Kamala to NOT do interviews and NOT talk about her "policy prescriptions."
CNN joined with Dems in scoffing at the idea that Americans care to learn about policy.
https://tinyurl.com/mbtwk36c
OLD AND BUSTED: Pelosi: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”
The New Hotness? We have to elect the candidate so you can find out what her policies are:
"It's a vibes election!" proclaims Kasie Hunt.
CNN doubles down on encouraging Kamala to NOT do interviews and NOT talk about her "policy prescriptions."
CNN joined with Dems in scoffing at the idea that Americans care to learn about policy.
https://tinyurl.com/mbtwk36c
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (xCA6C)
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subside /səb-sīd′/
(intransitive verb)
1. To become less intense, active, or severe; abate.
2. To become smaller or less prominent, as swelling.
3. To move or sink to a lower or normal level.
(intransitive verb)
1. To become less intense, active, or severe; abate.
2. To become smaller or less prominent, as swelling.
3. To move or sink to a lower or normal level.
Posted by: Muldoon at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (991eG)
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Common claim made by EVangelists but in reality doesn't pan out. Those EV's still have suspension, steering, HVAC, cooling and infotainment systems. The only real change is the the motor and drivetrain.
Whereas on ICE vehicles, those components are serviceable by component (if your engine starts making a weird noise, you just replace the component that is causing the problem) whereas EV's - if the "drivetrain" is bad it necessitates a full replacement of that motor. ..
Posted by: Defenestratus at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (oLya/)
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The all-in maintenance cost on an EV is usually pretty low until big things - like the battery pack - go. The other side of the simplicity coin is what you describe: there is fairly little (outside of software) *to* go wrong, so anything that goes wrong is, almost by definition, big. You have a nice, long time from "new" to "something big goes wrong," but when the shoe drops, it drops from a great height.
I strongly suspect that on a 10-15 year timeline, the costs of ownership and maintenance balance out or end up favoring traditional cars. The first 5-10 years, though, are pretty enticing.
Whereas on ICE vehicles, those components are serviceable by component (if your engine starts making a weird noise, you just replace the component that is causing the problem) whereas EV's - if the "drivetrain" is bad it necessitates a full replacement of that motor. ..
Posted by: Defenestratus at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (oLya/)
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The all-in maintenance cost on an EV is usually pretty low until big things - like the battery pack - go. The other side of the simplicity coin is what you describe: there is fairly little (outside of software) *to* go wrong, so anything that goes wrong is, almost by definition, big. You have a nice, long time from "new" to "something big goes wrong," but when the shoe drops, it drops from a great height.
I strongly suspect that on a 10-15 year timeline, the costs of ownership and maintenance balance out or end up favoring traditional cars. The first 5-10 years, though, are pretty enticing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (HnUIn)
128
A little about myself. I used to be the the CEO of Ford, I am thrice divorced, and I live in a VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
Posted by: Jim Farley at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (2UnvF)
129
Aren't hybrids, and not pure EVs, the ones that are more liable to spontaneously combust?
I think I read that here.
What I do know- the charging stations at the truck stop we frequent on the way to the Metroplex are always empty.
I think I read that here.
What I do know- the charging stations at the truck stop we frequent on the way to the Metroplex are always empty.
Posted by: sal at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (0w7qT)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (LTLE1)
131
hey Chris Farley was awesome
Posted by: gKWVE at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (gKWVE)
132
I'm always amazed just how stupid a major corporation can be with money all to placate liberals. It just shows how much power they have in our culture.
Its the same will all of these brands going woke, such a small lunatic fringe demands this and deep down, they know it's bad for business, but they do it anyway.
Its the same will all of these brands going woke, such a small lunatic fringe demands this and deep down, they know it's bad for business, but they do it anyway.
Posted by: Blago at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (wMRY8)
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Farley was like Curley. I don’t know any women who liked the Three Stooges.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (B1dzx)
My mom loved Farley as the guy who lived in a van down by the river.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (B1dzx)
My mom loved Farley as the guy who lived in a van down by the river.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:36 AM (MMp4j)
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automakers continue adjusting their EV plans because of softer-than-expected demand.
_____
Bureaucrat: I decree that EV demand increase!
Expert: So it is written, so shall it be done!
Bureaucrat/Expert: WTH happened?
_____
Bureaucrat: I decree that EV demand increase!
Expert: So it is written, so shall it be done!
Bureaucrat/Expert: WTH happened?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 23, 2024 11:36 AM (fs1hN)
135
"Yep. I've seen them with tags, too. I guess they're considered motorcycles."
I've got one called "Envy" NV as in neighborhood vehicle. It is advertised as off road capable, but it is not very good at off road. I got plates for it, but it only goes up to 20 mph. And insurance would be more than I care to pay ... and would not feel safe with it on a highway, going only 20.
It is pretty quiet, but lots of squeaks, since the frame is rigid and shocks don't have much travel.
I've got one called "Envy" NV as in neighborhood vehicle. It is advertised as off road capable, but it is not very good at off road. I got plates for it, but it only goes up to 20 mph. And insurance would be more than I care to pay ... and would not feel safe with it on a highway, going only 20.
It is pretty quiet, but lots of squeaks, since the frame is rigid and shocks don't have much travel.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2024 11:36 AM (Cus5s)
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To move or sink to a lower or normal level.
Posted by: Muldoon at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (991eG)
That’s where the noun subsidy is derived.
Posted by: Muldoon at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (991eG)
That’s where the noun subsidy is derived.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:36 AM (B1dzx)
137
I'm always amazed just how stupid a major corporation can be with money all to placate liberals. It just shows how much power they have in our culture.
Its the same will all of these brands going woke, such a small lunatic fringe demands this and deep down, they know it's bad for business, but they do it anyway.
Posted by: Blago at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (wMRY
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The call is coming from inside the house.
They aren't exactly "placating liberals." They are pursuing the agenda of internal activists, many of whom are in the board room and C-Suite.
Its the same will all of these brands going woke, such a small lunatic fringe demands this and deep down, they know it's bad for business, but they do it anyway.
Posted by: Blago at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (wMRY
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The call is coming from inside the house.
They aren't exactly "placating liberals." They are pursuing the agenda of internal activists, many of whom are in the board room and C-Suite.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM (HnUIn)
138
Chris Farley's best role was as the mayor of Toronto.
Posted by: in the better universe at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM (gKWVE)
139
Watch Christina Applegate try to maintain her acting face while Chris Farley does his " in a van down by the river" thing on SNL, then tell me no woman found Chris Farley funny.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM (Y1sOo)
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>>Did RFKjr endorse Trump?
Not yet but all signs are pointing that way. Trump has been teasing a "surprise guest" at his campaign stop in AZ today and RFK is in AZ today as well.
Schneider has been a big supporter of RFK Jr. since he entered the race so I take his comment s a pretty strong indicator.
Not yet but all signs are pointing that way. Trump has been teasing a "surprise guest" at his campaign stop in AZ today and RFK is in AZ today as well.
Schneider has been a big supporter of RFK Jr. since he entered the race so I take his comment s a pretty strong indicator.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (LkLld)
141
Did I miss something about me yesterday??
Posted by: Doof
I was just responding to one of your comments, I think. Nothing important.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (v6JzV)
My comments are rarely important. Probably never, but I don't want to admit total uselessness
Posted by: Doof
I was just responding to one of your comments, I think. Nothing important.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (v6JzV)
My comments are rarely important. Probably never, but I don't want to admit total uselessness
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (Jk6ck)
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CNN doubles down on encouraging Kamala to NOT do interviews and NOT talk about her "policy prescriptions."
CNN joined with Dems in scoffing at the idea that Americans care to learn about policy.
____
Journalists. Tell me again what they are good for, because I forgot.
CNN joined with Dems in scoffing at the idea that Americans care to learn about policy.
____
Journalists. Tell me again what they are good for, because I forgot.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (fs1hN)
143
Oh, missy. PISTON RODS?
What. In the goddam hell. Is a piston rod?
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 23, 2024 11:34 AM (zdLoL)
[pushes cup of decaf over]
What. In the goddam hell. Is a piston rod?
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 23, 2024 11:34 AM (zdLoL)
[pushes cup of decaf over]
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (/HDaX)
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>>> 128 A little about myself. I used to be the the CEO of Ford, I am thrice divorced, and I live in a VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
Posted by: Jim Farley at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (2UnvF)
The van is an EV, right?
Posted by: Jim Farley at August 23, 2024 11:35 AM (2UnvF)
The van is an EV, right?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (FnneF)
145
My mom loved Farley as the guy who lived in a van down by the river.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:36 AM (MMp4j)
That’s what made him. A non- Curley bit
Did she like the Three Stooges?
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:36 AM (MMp4j)
That’s what made him. A non- Curley bit
Did she like the Three Stooges?
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (B1dzx)
146
Oh, missy. PISTON RODS?
What. In the goddam hell. Is a piston rod?
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 23, 2024 11:34 AM (zdLoL)
connecting rod....mo' better?
What. In the goddam hell. Is a piston rod?
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 23, 2024 11:34 AM (zdLoL)
connecting rod....mo' better?
Posted by: BignJames at August 23, 2024 11:39 AM (AwYPR)
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Did she like the Three Stooges?
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (B1dzx)
++++
I have no idea what this sub-thread is about, but no - she didn't.
No woman has ever liked The Three Stooges.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (B1dzx)
++++
I have no idea what this sub-thread is about, but no - she didn't.
No woman has ever liked The Three Stooges.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (HnUIn)
148
Against this background, why is this election even close?
https://shorturl.at/TzgtN
Posted by: Huck Follywood
___
My real fear is that the US used to be a "center-right" country and now its not.
Setting aside electoral politics, anyone that's middle aged or older knows we have a vastly different culture than we did even 20 years ago.
In 2008, the state of CA voted against legalizing gay marriage. Let that sink in, the bluest state voted down gay marriage just 16 years ago.
https://shorturl.at/TzgtN
Posted by: Huck Follywood
___
My real fear is that the US used to be a "center-right" country and now its not.
Setting aside electoral politics, anyone that's middle aged or older knows we have a vastly different culture than we did even 20 years ago.
In 2008, the state of CA voted against legalizing gay marriage. Let that sink in, the bluest state voted down gay marriage just 16 years ago.
Posted by: Blago at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (wMRY8)
149
Chris Farley's best role was as the mayor of Toronto.
Posted by: in the better universe at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM (gKWVE)
I dunno. He gave me quite a run for my money as a Chippendale dancer
Posted by: in the better universe at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM (gKWVE)
I dunno. He gave me quite a run for my money as a Chippendale dancer
Posted by: Zombie Patrick Swayze at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (Jk6ck)
150
The overestimation by BLS of the jobs numbers is only one example how things are being manipulated. The people who held back that data knew exactly what they were doing. An adjustment that large is bound to impact Fed policy- and it did. Mission accomplished. The “cooling” of the jobs market based on the adjusted numbers just gave Powell and excuse to cut rates and pump the markets. It will be temporary, but will last the next few months. Jobs will continue to cool, and the inflationary policies of Democrats were just doubled-down on by their candidate. Higher corporate tax rates and the super charged spending Democrats are proposing will be the final
Death blow.
People should choose wisely. If Democrats get in the last four years will look good compared to what’s ahead.
Death blow.
People should choose wisely. If Democrats get in the last four years will look good compared to what’s ahead.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (FwedH)
151
"It's really unbelievable. "JOURNALISTS" are telling Kamala not to disclose her plans."
Crazy, common sense would lead one to believe you would get more of what you had been getting from them thus far.
They must believe their policies have been a roaring success.
Crazy, common sense would lead one to believe you would get more of what you had been getting from them thus far.
They must believe their policies have been a roaring success.
Posted by: RM at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (WXucK)
152
"It's a vibes election!" proclaims Kasie Hunt.
CNN doubles down on encouraging Kamala to NOT do interviews and NOT talk about her "policy prescriptions."
CNN joined with Dems in scoffing at the idea that Americans care to learn about policy.
… If we are going to run a Presidential Beauty Contest, then why do we need CNN ?
CNN doubles down on encouraging Kamala to NOT do interviews and NOT talk about her "policy prescriptions."
CNN joined with Dems in scoffing at the idea that Americans care to learn about policy.
… If we are going to run a Presidential Beauty Contest, then why do we need CNN ?
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
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Watch Christina Applegate try to maintain her acting face while Chris Farley does his " in a van down by the river" thing on SNL, then tell me no woman found Chris Farley funny.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM (Y1sOo)
I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world. And it was the Three Stooges that women don’t like.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM (Y1sOo)
I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world. And it was the Three Stooges that women don’t like.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM (B1dzx)
154
FenSpoke has mentioned that she likes The Three Stooges.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:42 AM (v6JzV)
155
106 A tweet from Rob Schneider, big RFK Jr. supporter, worth reading in its entirety.
https://tinyurl.com/3k6a9eb2
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (LkLld)
--
Pretty much sums it up, albeit a little heavy on the caps lock.
https://tinyurl.com/3k6a9eb2
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (LkLld)
--
Pretty much sums it up, albeit a little heavy on the caps lock.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 23, 2024 11:42 AM (wzAuc)
156
Also willowed from the last thread re: AWALZ angrily jerking his potentially autistic son around:
Imagine how powerful it would be if mothers who had their children late in life or who used IVF or other unnatural means began to speak to women about the health risks their decisions brought to the children. Health issues that their children would carry with them for 80 years or so, all so the mom could waste her healthy years to pay taxes for a decade or so before having kids.
That type of action could change quality of life of countless women and children.
Imagine how powerful it would be if mothers who had their children late in life or who used IVF or other unnatural means began to speak to women about the health risks their decisions brought to the children. Health issues that their children would carry with them for 80 years or so, all so the mom could waste her healthy years to pay taxes for a decade or so before having kids.
That type of action could change quality of life of countless women and children.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:42 AM (jzegu)
157
Toyota seems to be all in on hybrid electric. They announced in 2021 they were building a $1.2 billion battery plant. They have expanded their plans since then, now the investment is up to $13.9 billion. 8 million square feet under roof when finished. I started on 8/12.
Posted by: TC at August 23, 2024 11:42 AM (WxVKK)
158
Farley did a very good guest appearance at a House GOP caucus event where he played the role of Newt Gingrich (who was present, and laughing very hard). Probably on UToob. In a way a small window on a country that seems long gone - politicos (not all of whom were useless, and who actually did accomplish some things and do what they said they'd do) laughing at hard-hitting sarcasm delivered right to their face. Not the cringey Soviet/North Korean vibe of today, humor-free, with few competent politicos with any political integrity.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 23, 2024 11:42 AM (GcNJ2)
159
I'd rather talk about the Corvair Corsa. That was a hot car.
Posted by: Pudinhead at August 23, 2024 11:42 AM (FmapG)
160
I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world....
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM (B1dzx)
No it's not!
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM (B1dzx)
No it's not!
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:43 AM (Jk6ck)
161
>>They aren't exactly "placating liberals." They are pursuing the agenda of internal activists, many of whom are in the board room and C-Suite.
They are pursuing the agenda of the BlackRock contingent, globalists and government. When powerful, rich interests tell you they are going to do something and then they do it it's probably worth acknowledging that they just did it.
Spend some time reading the WEF website, listening to their speeches, reviewing their membership and you will see that all of these companies didn't just adopt things like DEI and EVs by coincidence. They all aren't working to rig elections and install globalists and trash nationalists by chance. And they don't support idiotic things like open borders and pandemic lockdowns because there is something in the air.
They are pursuing the agenda of the BlackRock contingent, globalists and government. When powerful, rich interests tell you they are going to do something and then they do it it's probably worth acknowledging that they just did it.
Spend some time reading the WEF website, listening to their speeches, reviewing their membership and you will see that all of these companies didn't just adopt things like DEI and EVs by coincidence. They all aren't working to rig elections and install globalists and trash nationalists by chance. And they don't support idiotic things like open borders and pandemic lockdowns because there is something in the air.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:43 AM (LkLld)
162
My F-150 Lightning done burned, and phew!
I got out, but my dog and shotgun didn't.
Charging stations that worked were few.
I got them Ford Electric Vehicle blues.
My F-150 Lightning done burned, and phew!
I got out, but my dog and shotgun didn't.
Charging stations that worked were few.
I got them Ford Electric Vehicle blues.
Posted by: Aspiring Nashville song writer at August 23, 2024 11:43 AM (a3Q+t)
163
Ehh, EVs are mechanically simpler and have lower maintenance requirements than hybrids. Yes, there all the other downsides - namely longevity of the power plant - that everyone already knows about, but if you're an urbanite who cycles out of his car every 5 years or so, an EV might be superior.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (HnUIn)
Lower maintenance requirements, except for the giant replacement battery costs, which are all at once. Guaranteed I have not spent $20 K in maintenance on my 30 year old full size truck in the last 10 years that I have owned it, or on the now paid late-model highlander, or on the prior Subaru Forrester, or on the prior Toyota pickup, etc.
Most people don't think about maintenance requirements in terms of changing oil, brakes, spark plugs, etc. They just think dollars. So the statement stands, except perhaps in that highly specific and narrow use case.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:28 AM (HnUIn)
Lower maintenance requirements, except for the giant replacement battery costs, which are all at once. Guaranteed I have not spent $20 K in maintenance on my 30 year old full size truck in the last 10 years that I have owned it, or on the now paid late-model highlander, or on the prior Subaru Forrester, or on the prior Toyota pickup, etc.
Most people don't think about maintenance requirements in terms of changing oil, brakes, spark plugs, etc. They just think dollars. So the statement stands, except perhaps in that highly specific and narrow use case.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:44 AM (i24o9)
164
I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world....
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM
You are too young to be so contrarian.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM
You are too young to be so contrarian.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (a3Q+t)
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I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world....
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM
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It is not.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM
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It is not.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (jzegu)
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I am at lunch with my MiL and the missus at the MiL's seasoned citizen complex.
Their recorder group / ensemble is practicing just down the hall.
The horror! The horror!
I am at lunch with my MiL and the missus at the MiL's seasoned citizen complex.
Their recorder group / ensemble is practicing just down the hall.
The horror! The horror!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (LTLE1)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)
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Rob Schneider is as crazy as RFK Jr.
His daughter was the country singer who was drunk when singing at the tribute to Dolly Parton.
She is estranged from her father. There is always two sides but she tells a sad story of growing up,
His daughter was the country singer who was drunk when singing at the tribute to Dolly Parton.
She is estranged from her father. There is always two sides but she tells a sad story of growing up,
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (B1dzx)
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I just got here so no time to read the comments.
Couple of thoughts
Reality beginning to hit a number of ridiculous ideas, EVs, No fossil fuels. Unlimited migration.untouchable terrorist enclaves.
I've only been a Tesla once but it was a gorgeous vehicle. Think how many Elon would sell if he started building gas powered vehicles.
Couple of thoughts
Reality beginning to hit a number of ridiculous ideas, EVs, No fossil fuels. Unlimited migration.untouchable terrorist enclaves.
I've only been a Tesla once but it was a gorgeous vehicle. Think how many Elon would sell if he started building gas powered vehicles.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (t/2Uw)
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Farley died in 1997 at the old age of 33. Seems like a lot of overweight comedians died young. Belushi, John Candy (died at 44, in 1994)
Cocaine is a helluva drug ... amazing Hunter is still going strong.
Cocaine is a helluva drug ... amazing Hunter is still going strong.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2024 11:46 AM (Cus5s)
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Most people don't think about maintenance requirements in terms of changing oil, brakes, spark plugs, etc. They just think dollars. So the statement stands, except perhaps in that highly specific and narrow use case.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:44 AM (i24o9)
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See me at 127. I make this same point, I think.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:44 AM (i24o9)
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See me at 127. I make this same point, I think.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:46 AM (HnUIn)
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"“Ford Cancels Plans for Electric SUV” [WSJ – 8/21/2024]"
I thought that what the e-mustang was.
I thought that what the e-mustang was.
Posted by: fd at August 23, 2024 11:46 AM (vFG9F)
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Watch Christina Applegate try to maintain her acting face while Chris Farley does his " in a van down by the river" thing on SNL, then tell me no woman found Chris Farley funny.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM
Your proposal is acceptable.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 23, 2024 11:37 AM
Your proposal is acceptable.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 23, 2024 11:47 AM (kgE5c)
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160 I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world....
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM (B1dzx)
No it's not!
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:43 AM (Jk6ck)
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Yes 'tis.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM (B1dzx)
No it's not!
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:43 AM (Jk6ck)
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Yes 'tis.
Posted by: John Cleese, AoS lurker at August 23, 2024 11:47 AM (wzAuc)
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I just finished installing a tranny. Next, the mounts!
Posted by: fd at August 23, 2024 11:47 AM (vFG9F)
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Did she like the Three Stooges?
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (B1dzx)
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I have no idea what this sub-thread is about, but no - she didn't.
No woman has ever liked The Three Stooges.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (HnUIn)
My mom definitely does not like The Three Stooges.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:38 AM (B1dzx)
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I have no idea what this sub-thread is about, but no - she didn't.
No woman has ever liked The Three Stooges.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (HnUIn)
My mom definitely does not like The Three Stooges.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:47 AM (Nyvo6)
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I am at lunch with my MiL and the missus at the MiL's seasoned citizen complex.
Their recorder group / ensemble is practicing just down the hall.
The horror! The horror!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars
You should go in there, flick a lighter, hold it aloft and yell "Freebird!".
Their recorder group / ensemble is practicing just down the hall.
The horror! The horror!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars
You should go in there, flick a lighter, hold it aloft and yell "Freebird!".
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)
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No it's not!
Posted by: Doof
Is so!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)
It might...or might not.
Posted by: Doof
Is so!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)
It might...or might not.
Posted by: Boswell at August 23, 2024 11:47 AM (K+UlC)
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I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world....
Posted by: polynikes
Au contraire, mon ami!
I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world....
Posted by: polynikes
Au contraire, mon ami!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024 11:48 AM (LTLE1)
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Farley died in 1997 at the old age of 33. Seems like a lot of overweight comedians died young. Belushi, John Candy (died at 44, in 1994)
Cocaine is a helluva drug ... amazing Hunter is still going strong.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2024 11:46 AM (Cus5s)
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Being morbidly obese is hard on the body and causes health problems.
Cocaine and speed are hard on the body and cause health problems.
Those two things in combination are *really* hard on the body. Don't ever do both. Ideally, do neither - but never do both at once.
Cocaine is a helluva drug ... amazing Hunter is still going strong.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 23, 2024 11:46 AM (Cus5s)
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Being morbidly obese is hard on the body and causes health problems.
Cocaine and speed are hard on the body and cause health problems.
Those two things in combination are *really* hard on the body. Don't ever do both. Ideally, do neither - but never do both at once.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:48 AM (HnUIn)
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that's an interesting thought. I bet he'd sell a few thousand of the top of the line sedan (the S?), but only if he put some sort of hybrid setup to augment the gas engine.
I don't find any of them particularly attractive, and the S is kind of a generic Audi. All of them except for the S are chunky looking to my eye.
I don't find any of them particularly attractive, and the S is kind of a generic Audi. All of them except for the S are chunky looking to my eye.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:48 AM (jzegu)
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Everybody saw the Dems steal 2020. When illegitimate tyrants tell you to start converting to EV vehicle production, you pretty much have to do what you are told.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 23, 2024 11:48 AM (okiOL)
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>>I just finished installing a tranny. Next, the mounts!
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Weirdo.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Weirdo.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (LkLld)
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She is estranged from her father. There is always two sides but she tells a sad story of growing up,
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (B1dzx)
It's not that bad. He put her in a fat camp.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (B1dzx)
It's not that bad. He put her in a fat camp.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (Nyvo6)
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Drof Motor Company has a blighter idea!
Posted by: Eromero at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (o2ZRX)
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153 I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world.
apparently we're just pining for the fords.
apparently we're just pining for the fords.
Posted by: anachronda at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (oY6Yp)
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Those two things in combination are *really* hard on the body. Don't ever do both. Ideally, do neither - but never do both at once.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:48 AM (HnUIn)
So, what, John Belushi was...wrong?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:48 AM (HnUIn)
So, what, John Belushi was...wrong?
Posted by: Boswell at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (K+UlC)
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7 FUN FACT: Ford CEO Farley is a member of the Harley-Davidson Board of Directors. You know, the BOD that set Harley on its disastrous lurch into woke DEI bullshit that triggered a huge boycott against the brand.
Farley is obviously a man of sound judgment.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 23, 2024 11:04 AM (WBQfF)
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His actions make sense if his real objective is to destroy these companies. The demented push for electric vehicles make sense if the real objective is for nobody to have a vehicle. And not having any vehicles makes sense if the real purpose is for 95% of the population to not be here any longer.
7 FUN FACT: Ford CEO Farley is a member of the Harley-Davidson Board of Directors. You know, the BOD that set Harley on its disastrous lurch into woke DEI bullshit that triggered a huge boycott against the brand.
Farley is obviously a man of sound judgment.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 23, 2024 11:04 AM (WBQfF)
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His actions make sense if his real objective is to destroy these companies. The demented push for electric vehicles make sense if the real objective is for nobody to have a vehicle. And not having any vehicles makes sense if the real purpose is for 95% of the population to not be here any longer.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (Ijbq0)
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I'd rather talk about the Corvair Corsa. That was a hot car.
Posted by: Pudinhead at August 23, 2024 11:42 AM (FmapG)
Mine was a '65.
A really good car with a really shitty fan belt design. Couldn't go over 60 without it shredding. Learned early to carry extra belts if going any distance.
Posted by: Pudinhead at August 23, 2024 11:42 AM (FmapG)
Mine was a '65.
A really good car with a really shitty fan belt design. Couldn't go over 60 without it shredding. Learned early to carry extra belts if going any distance.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 23, 2024 11:50 AM (W/lyH)
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So, what, John Belushi was...wrong?
Posted by: Boswell at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (K+UlC)
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Him. Farley. Meat Loaf.
Posted by: Boswell at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (K+UlC)
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Him. Farley. Meat Loaf.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:50 AM (HnUIn)
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It's not that bad. He put her in a fat camp.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (Nyvo6)
Yes that’s one of her stories.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (Nyvo6)
Yes that’s one of her stories.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:50 AM (B1dzx)
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His actions make sense if his real objective is to destroy these companies. The demented push for electric vehicles make sense if the real objective is for nobody to have a vehicle. And not having any vehicles makes sense if the real purpose is for 95% of the population to not be here any longer.
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We totally support this.
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We totally support this.
Posted by: Autoworkers Union Management at August 23, 2024 11:50 AM (fs1hN)
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Common claim made by EVangelists but in reality doesn't pan out. Those EV's still have suspension, steering, HVAC, cooling and infotainment systems. The only real change is the the motor and drivetrain.
Posted by: Defenestratus at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (oLya/)
True, and use of HVAC greatly depletes battery range. Guy in hybrid was driving down dusty mountain road with windows open on hot day. It was miserable. Me in my dinosaur pickup with AC enjoying the drive.
Not to mention complexity of regenerative breaking systems CVTs which are modern engineering marvels.
I am not knocking hybrids, where I might have once. But there is no free lunch there or with EVs either.
Posted by: Defenestratus at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (oLya/)
True, and use of HVAC greatly depletes battery range. Guy in hybrid was driving down dusty mountain road with windows open on hot day. It was miserable. Me in my dinosaur pickup with AC enjoying the drive.
Not to mention complexity of regenerative breaking systems CVTs which are modern engineering marvels.
I am not knocking hybrids, where I might have once. But there is no free lunch there or with EVs either.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:50 AM (i24o9)
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Both My Nieces and their spouses have Teslas..... They each try to one up each other.. One got the Tesla truck and sold it one week later.. The other has a gull wing version Tesla... Both are Lib in crowd types
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2024 11:50 AM (IyPmt)
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I just finished installing a tranny. Next, the mounts!
Posted by: fd
Doggy style?
Morning all. Late start.
Posted by: fd
Doggy style?
Morning all. Late start.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 23, 2024 11:51 AM (Mc7gB)
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191 It's not that bad. He put her in a fat camp.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (Nyvo6)
Yes that’s one of her stories.
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One time, in fat camp....
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:49 AM (Nyvo6)
Yes that’s one of her stories.
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One time, in fat camp....
Posted by: Ms Schneider at August 23, 2024 11:51 AM (fs1hN)
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Farley was like Curley. I don’t know any women who liked the Three Stooges.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (B1dzx)
The wife loves Farley. Stooges were a bit before her time.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:33 AM (B1dzx)
The wife loves Farley. Stooges were a bit before her time.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:51 AM (i24o9)
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Both My Nieces and their spouses have Teslas..... They each try to one up each other.. One got the Tesla truck and sold it one week later.. The other has a gull wing version Tesla... Both are Lib in crowd types
Posted by: It's me donna
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What are their other luxury cars?
Posted by: It's me donna
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What are their other luxury cars?
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:51 AM (jzegu)
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I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world....
Posted by: polynikes
I had a pet turtle once that I kept in a contraium.
Posted by: polynikes
I had a pet turtle once that I kept in a contraium.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (W/lyH)
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What are their other luxury cars?
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:51 AM (jzegu)
Only Teslas...
What are their other luxury cars?
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:51 AM (jzegu)
Only Teslas...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (IyPmt)
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From FDR through the election of Nixon, you could make an argument we were a center left country. It ebbs and flows.
But this is the endgame now. One more left turn and its over.
But this is the endgame now. One more left turn and its over.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (vsXBg)
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Don't worry, there will be a market for those SUVs... Those unemployed UAW workers always buy American
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (wBaIH)
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It seems that Ford's purpose in "transitioning" is basically the same as when one attempts to gender transition.
The actual goal appears to be to receive praise and affirmation that you are stunning and brave, and how everyone who says that you can't do that are bigoted h8rs. Whether or not the transition actually corresponds to some deeper underlying reality doesn't matter. What matters is you feel good about yourself.
The actual goal appears to be to receive praise and affirmation that you are stunning and brave, and how everyone who says that you can't do that are bigoted h8rs. Whether or not the transition actually corresponds to some deeper underlying reality doesn't matter. What matters is you feel good about yourself.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (B9Prs)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (v6JzV)
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Again, EVs failed and will continue to fail because of the following factors..
1. They don't solve a problem.
2. They are inferior to the product they are trying to displace.
3. The inherent technology precludes mass adoption.
4. The inherent technology makes them disposable commodity items.
5. They're gay looking in the main.
1. They don't solve a problem.
2. They are inferior to the product they are trying to displace.
3. The inherent technology precludes mass adoption.
4. The inherent technology makes them disposable commodity items.
5. They're gay looking in the main.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 23, 2024 11:53 AM (XV/Pl)
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‘ they will deserve to lose.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (gtPgO)
Hard to beat the cheat’
Cut Sowell some slack. He’s from the older generation when elections we’re competing campaigns. Unlike what we have now, a campaign vs the largest fraud campaign in history.
‘ they will deserve to lose.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 23, 2024 11:21 AM (gtPgO)
Hard to beat the cheat’
Cut Sowell some slack. He’s from the older generation when elections we’re competing campaigns. Unlike what we have now, a campaign vs the largest fraud campaign in history.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 23, 2024 11:53 AM (jbnUc)
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Your proposal is acceptable.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 23, 2024 11:47 AM (kgE5c)
Howdy brother! Did you sense a disturbance in The Force around 10am today? I arrived in the land of the Massholes around that time
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 23, 2024 11:47 AM (kgE5c)
Howdy brother! Did you sense a disturbance in The Force around 10am today? I arrived in the land of the Massholes around that time
Posted by: Doof at August 23, 2024 11:54 AM (Jk6ck)
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I pointed out above that CEO Farley is Chris Farleys cousin
So saying Tommy Boy is the CEO isn't far off
So saying Tommy Boy is the CEO isn't far off
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 23, 2024 11:54 AM (qKpsC)
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154 FenSpoke has mentioned that she likes The Three Stooges.
well, they did have a novel take on a hybrid vehicle: the triphibian. imagine a plastic model submarine to which someone has bodged a helicopter main rotor and tank treads.
well, they did have a novel take on a hybrid vehicle: the triphibian. imagine a plastic model submarine to which someone has bodged a helicopter main rotor and tank treads.
Posted by: anachronda at August 23, 2024 11:54 AM (oY6Yp)
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Parked next to a Cybertruck in a parking lot the other day. Boy, are those things ever weird-looking.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:54 AM (v6JzV)
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What are their other luxury cars?
Only Teslas...
Posted by: It's me donna
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That is shocking. This might be the only family(ies) in real life I've ever encountered that ONLY have EVs.
Only Teslas...
Posted by: It's me donna
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That is shocking. This might be the only family(ies) in real life I've ever encountered that ONLY have EVs.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:54 AM (jzegu)
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I guess my point is most women don’t find violent physical comedy that funny. Farley did a lot of that in his movies. Guys seem to always laugh at someone accidentally crashing their head into a steel beam.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (B1dzx)
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Him. Farley. Meat Loaf.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:50 AM (HnUIn)
I think the term was called "speed balling" - as you note, killed off a lot of over-weight entertainers in the 80's and 90's
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:50 AM (HnUIn)
I think the term was called "speed balling" - as you note, killed off a lot of over-weight entertainers in the 80's and 90's
Posted by: Boswell at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (K+UlC)
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Their recorder group / ensemble is practicing just down the hall.
The horror! The horror!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024
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When at age 14 I read in Rosemary's Baby about one of Rosemary's neighbors "playing the recorder," I thought it meant playing music tapes on a reel-to-reel machine.
Their recorder group / ensemble is practicing just down the hall.
The horror! The horror!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024
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When at age 14 I read in Rosemary's Baby about one of Rosemary's neighbors "playing the recorder," I thought it meant playing music tapes on a reel-to-reel machine.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (J2vNu)
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What are their other luxury cars?
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:51 AM (jzegu)
Only Teslas...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (IyPmt)
I take that back... The one who sold the Tesla truck got a Rivian truck...
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 11:51 AM (jzegu)
Only Teslas...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (IyPmt)
I take that back... The one who sold the Tesla truck got a Rivian truck...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (IyPmt)
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I swear aos is the most contrarian blog in the world. And it was the Three Stooges that women don’t like.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM (B1dzx
My mom is a 3 Stooges superfan. They're apparently gonna issue a blu-ray collection of all their stuff soon, and she is chuffed.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:41 AM (B1dzx
My mom is a 3 Stooges superfan. They're apparently gonna issue a blu-ray collection of all their stuff soon, and she is chuffed.
Posted by: Forsooth at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (P3jvJ)
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"It's really unbelievable. "JOURNALISTS" are telling Kamala not to disclose her plans."
Crazy, common sense would lead one to believe you would get more of what you had been getting from them thus far.
They must believe their policies have been a roaring success.
Posted by: RM at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (WXucK)
Fahrenheit 451 X 1984.
Crazy, common sense would lead one to believe you would get more of what you had been getting from them thus far.
They must believe their policies have been a roaring success.
Posted by: RM at August 23, 2024 11:40 AM (WXucK)
Fahrenheit 451 X 1984.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (i24o9)
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OK, which one of you was pretending to be a Russian tourist?
Russian tourist who 'tried to rape a cow' is gored by the animal and has to be rescued by stunned Thai police
https://tinyurl.com/59tbech7
Russian tourist who 'tried to rape a cow' is gored by the animal and has to be rescued by stunned Thai police
https://tinyurl.com/59tbech7
Posted by: Archimedes at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (xCA6C)
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This busty, bespectacled blonde thinks EV sports cars are a ton of fun, but wouldn't want one to be her only car:
http://tiny.cc/7n6jzz
http://tiny.cc/7n6jzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (HnUIn)
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I have negative interest in watching Kamala's speech from last night. By all accounts it was fluff.
I have, however, seen a few photographs, and my impression is this: She looked small on the stage.
I mean that both literally and metaphorically.
I have, however, seen a few photographs, and my impression is this: She looked small on the stage.
I mean that both literally and metaphorically.
Posted by: Shenanigans at August 23, 2024 11:56 AM (pZ0Mr)
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If Trump loses this November it won't be because he got outworked. Look at the line of people waiting for the Trump rally in AZ that doesn't even start for 8 hours.
@nicksortor
🚨 THOUSANDS of patriots are already waiting in line in the Arizona heat at 8:30am, and Trump doesn’t speak for another 8 HOURS
It took me 8 FREAKING MINUTES to walk to the back of the line.
This is UNBELIEVABLY massive! Largest crowd I’ve seen yet! LFG! 🔥
https://tinyurl.com/3ra2nnuf
@nicksortor
🚨 THOUSANDS of patriots are already waiting in line in the Arizona heat at 8:30am, and Trump doesn’t speak for another 8 HOURS
It took me 8 FREAKING MINUTES to walk to the back of the line.
This is UNBELIEVABLY massive! Largest crowd I’ve seen yet! LFG! 🔥
https://tinyurl.com/3ra2nnuf
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:56 AM (LkLld)
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That was a boring skit. The characters were ok but the parents were toned down. You know who else lived in a van down by the river after his career ended? John Riggins
Posted by: SFGoth at August 23, 2024 11:56 AM (KAi1n)
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I think the term was called "speed balling" - as you note, killed off a lot of over-weight entertainers in the 80's and 90's
Posted by: Boswell at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (K+UlC)
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Yeah, and it's a force multiplier on mortality. Coke *or* speed will do it, too, but take longer. Combining them is mashing down on the accelerator.
Posted by: Boswell at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (K+UlC)
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Yeah, and it's a force multiplier on mortality. Coke *or* speed will do it, too, but take longer. Combining them is mashing down on the accelerator.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:56 AM (HnUIn)
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Parked next to a Cybertruck in a parking lot the other day. Boy, are those things ever weird-looking.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:54 AM (v6JzV)
It's looks as if a retard tried building a Delorean with only vague memories of watching Back To The Future one time 35 years ago.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:54 AM (v6JzV)
It's looks as if a retard tried building a Delorean with only vague memories of watching Back To The Future one time 35 years ago.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:56 AM (Nyvo6)
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161 >>They aren't exactly "placating liberals." They are pursuing the agenda of internal activists, many of whom are in the board room and C-Suite.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:43 AM (LkLld)
I saw a Chris Cuomo video on YouTube this morning that was relevant. He was on the floor of the Arena in Chicago and they did a panning shot around at all the luxury boxes. 500K a shot. I'd sure like a look at that list, and the R's list, too.
Yeah, Chris Cuomo. His douche nozzle status is unchanged, but he raised a fair point.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 23, 2024 11:43 AM (LkLld)
I saw a Chris Cuomo video on YouTube this morning that was relevant. He was on the floor of the Arena in Chicago and they did a panning shot around at all the luxury boxes. 500K a shot. I'd sure like a look at that list, and the R's list, too.
Yeah, Chris Cuomo. His douche nozzle status is unchanged, but he raised a fair point.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 23, 2024 11:57 AM (pIfcn)
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I never liked the 3 stooges. I don't like slapstick comedy at all.
Definitely a male thing.
Definitely a male thing.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2024 11:57 AM (t/2Uw)
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Mercedes and BMW are going big into EVs . So I he Europeans aren't any brighter
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 23, 2024 11:57 AM (qKpsC)
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My mom is a 3 Stooges superfan. They're apparently gonna issue a blu-ray collection of all their stuff soon, and she is chuffed.
Posted by: Forsooth
They should just release the Curley and Shemp stuff. The ones with Joe Besser and Curley Joe should be shitcanned.
Posted by: Forsooth
They should just release the Curley and Shemp stuff. The ones with Joe Besser and Curley Joe should be shitcanned.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:57 AM (v6JzV)
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No it's not!
Posted by: Doof
Is so!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)
This is not Arguments. This is getting hit on the head lessons.
Waah!
Posted by: Doof
Is so!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)
This is not Arguments. This is getting hit on the head lessons.
Waah!
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 11:58 AM (i24o9)
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http://tiny.cc/7n6jzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (HnUIn)
Hot, sexy girl next door.
10/10, would take home to meet mom.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:55 AM (HnUIn)
Hot, sexy girl next door.
10/10, would take home to meet mom.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:58 AM (Nyvo6)
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Not big on The Three Stooges. Liked Abbott and Costello, and Laurel and Hardy.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 23, 2024 11:59 AM (qKpsC)
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See me at 127. I make this same point, I think.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:46 AM (HnUIn)
Yeah, that only stands in the limited use case, which overlaps pretty substantially with the EV market niche anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 11:46 AM (HnUIn)
Yeah, that only stands in the limited use case, which overlaps pretty substantially with the EV market niche anyway.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 12:00 PM (i24o9)
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 12:00 PM (B1dzx)
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I wonder if the Stooges did any drugs.
You know, to deal with all of the eye pokes.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (v6JzV)
Nope. There were never any "eye pokes". Perceived, but not real. Curly was a well known partier and womanizer. Larry loved betting on horses. Moe was the businessman of the group.
You know, to deal with all of the eye pokes.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (v6JzV)
Nope. There were never any "eye pokes". Perceived, but not real. Curly was a well known partier and womanizer. Larry loved betting on horses. Moe was the businessman of the group.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at August 23, 2024 12:00 PM (iODuv)
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Ace is up.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 23, 2024 12:00 PM (2UnvF)
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Being morbidly obese is hard on the body and causes health problems.
Cocaine and speed are hard on the body and cause health problems.
Bob Hite of Canned Heat has entered the chat.
Cocaine and speed are hard on the body and cause health problems.
Bob Hite of Canned Heat has entered the chat.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 23, 2024 12:00 PM (U4Bzp)
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 12:00 PM (Nyvo6)
Posted by: Diogenes at August 23, 2024 12:01 PM (W/lyH)
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Yeah, that only stands in the limited use case, which overlaps pretty substantially with the EV market niche anyway.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 12:00 PM (i24o9)
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Yup.
Which is why EVs are peaking. Most people who want one have one. It's the AMC Pacer problem. Mad sales at first, but it was niche vehicle. Once everyone who wanted one got one, the model petered out very quickly.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 12:00 PM (i24o9)
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Yup.
Which is why EVs are peaking. Most people who want one have one. It's the AMC Pacer problem. Mad sales at first, but it was niche vehicle. Once everyone who wanted one got one, the model petered out very quickly.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 12:01 PM (HnUIn)
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I don't like slapstick comedy at all.
Definitely a male thing.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
Girls don't get armpit farts, which are a rite of male childhood, either.
Definitely a male thing.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
Girls don't get armpit farts, which are a rite of male childhood, either.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 23, 2024 12:01 PM (KAi1n)
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I never liked the 3 stooges. I don't like slapstick comedy at all.
Definitely a male thing.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2024
***
I outgrew the Stooges when I was about twelve. That said, seeing some of their short films on MeTV on Saturday evenings as a warmup for Svengoolie is entertaining. You get a glimpse of the clothes and cars of the various decades. And I admire their comic timing.
The two shorts where they satirized the Nazis, with Moe as a Hitler-like dictator, were a lot of fun, though. One of those films predated our entry into the war.
Definitely a male thing.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2024
***
I outgrew the Stooges when I was about twelve. That said, seeing some of their short films on MeTV on Saturday evenings as a warmup for Svengoolie is entertaining. You get a glimpse of the clothes and cars of the various decades. And I admire their comic timing.
The two shorts where they satirized the Nazis, with Moe as a Hitler-like dictator, were a lot of fun, though. One of those films predated our entry into the war.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 23, 2024 12:01 PM (J2vNu)
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218 OK, which one of you was pretending to be a Russian tourist?
Russian tourist who 'tried to rape a cow' is gored by the animal and has to be rescued by stunned Thai police
i suspect someone misheard about the joy of cow tippin' as "cow, tip in".
Russian tourist who 'tried to rape a cow' is gored by the animal and has to be rescued by stunned Thai police
i suspect someone misheard about the joy of cow tippin' as "cow, tip in".
Posted by: anachronda at August 23, 2024 12:02 PM (oY6Yp)
243
When at age 14 I read in Rosemary's Baby about one of Rosemary's neighbors "playing the recorder," I thought it meant playing music tapes on a reel-to-reel machine.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere
It took me back to late elementary school and "Symphonettes", our gateway to musical hell.
When at age 14 I read in Rosemary's Baby about one of Rosemary's neighbors "playing the recorder," I thought it meant playing music tapes on a reel-to-reel machine.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere
It took me back to late elementary school and "Symphonettes", our gateway to musical hell.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 23, 2024 12:02 PM (LTLE1)
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Parked next to a Cybertruck in a parking lot the other day. -
It's looks as if a retard tried building a Delorean with only vague memories of watching Back To The Future one time 35 years ago.
Posted by: Robert
-
I'll just leave this here for anyone who enjoys this kind of thing:
https://tinyurl.com/22xs5hvh
It's looks as if a retard tried building a Delorean with only vague memories of watching Back To The Future one time 35 years ago.
Posted by: Robert
-
I'll just leave this here for anyone who enjoys this kind of thing:
https://tinyurl.com/22xs5hvh
Posted by: Moron Robbie, Black Tik-Tok Influencer at August 23, 2024 12:02 PM (jzegu)
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The Rob Schneider piece referenced above by JackStraw is a pretty good summary. Hope RFK uses some of this approach. It's a slap in the face that millions of people need, but would engender only backlash if delivered by an R or a conservative.
Posted by: RM at August 23, 2024 12:02 PM (WXucK)
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It's looks as if a retard tried building a Delorean with only vague memories of watching Back To The Future one time 35 years ago.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:56 AM (Nyvo6)
++++
But he was *also* obsessed with giant scale.
I saw one in real life a couple of months ago. The thing is enormous. It's hard to appreciate just how huge it is without seeing one in the wild. It's absurdly huge, and I can't quite suss out how that all space can be effectively used.
Posted by: Robert at August 23, 2024 11:56 AM (Nyvo6)
++++
But he was *also* obsessed with giant scale.
I saw one in real life a couple of months ago. The thing is enormous. It's hard to appreciate just how huge it is without seeing one in the wild. It's absurdly huge, and I can't quite suss out how that all space can be effectively used.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 12:03 PM (HnUIn)
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small on the stage.
I mean that both literally and metaphorically.
Posted by: Shenanigans
If you saw any of the RNC convention, the stage, lighting, music, speakers was vastly different than the DNC. The RNC was a major production, like a Broadway show.
The DNC looked like a basketball arena.Their speakers dull and boring(not that I actually listened to any of them). Even how they dressed especially Harris. No personality. No effort at all in presentation. They are just taking it all for granted.
I mean that both literally and metaphorically.
Posted by: Shenanigans
If you saw any of the RNC convention, the stage, lighting, music, speakers was vastly different than the DNC. The RNC was a major production, like a Broadway show.
The DNC looked like a basketball arena.Their speakers dull and boring(not that I actually listened to any of them). Even how they dressed especially Harris. No personality. No effort at all in presentation. They are just taking it all for granted.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2024 12:03 PM (t/2Uw)
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NOOD LEMON
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 23, 2024 12:03 PM (HnUIn)
249
Some greek god said:
"On the upside, Ridley Scott made a movie about me!!!"
Yeah but Disney is doing a reboot.
Now you're a chick who's gay and lame.
"On the upside, Ridley Scott made a movie about me!!!"
Yeah but Disney is doing a reboot.
Now you're a chick who's gay and lame.
Posted by: Fen at August 23, 2024 12:04 PM (iqxAx)
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Cut Sowell some slack. He’s from the older generation when elections we’re competing campaigns. Unlike what we have now, a campaign vs the largest fraud campaign in history.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
======
Any expert out of their field is liable to say stupid shit.
Sowell's is economics--not politics nor political science. The two are sort of related as a lot of politics involves taking money and redistributing it but it is extremely rare for a government to be run by economic principles in the long run. Politics will always get in the way.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
======
Any expert out of their field is liable to say stupid shit.
Sowell's is economics--not politics nor political science. The two are sort of related as a lot of politics involves taking money and redistributing it but it is extremely rare for a government to be run by economic principles in the long run. Politics will always get in the way.
Posted by: whig at August 23, 2024 12:05 PM (kW+z9)
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"You get a glimpse of the clothes and cars of the various decades."
The Wife enjoys advertisements from pre 1960.
Apparently, if she gets out of line in public, I'm supposed to put her over my knee and spank her.
Our sex life is more interesting now
The Wife enjoys advertisements from pre 1960.
Apparently, if she gets out of line in public, I'm supposed to put her over my knee and spank her.
Our sex life is more interesting now
Posted by: Fen at August 23, 2024 12:07 PM (iqxAx)
252
I had a pet turtle once that I kept in a contraium.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (W/lyH)
Shouldn't you have kept it outside the contrarium?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 23, 2024 11:52 AM (W/lyH)
Shouldn't you have kept it outside the contrarium?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 23, 2024 12:09 PM (i24o9)
253
Yeah, our 'governator', Mr Little Billie Lee, sho' 'nuf don't mind axking our 'legislatchur' to piss away taxpayer dollars on shit dreams that can never come true 'cos they violate basic laws of physics. Together, Ford and the combined arms of the 'legislaychur' and 'governater' have pissed away $100MM short of $1BN in taxpayer dollars - and how does TN get it back? Long answer short: It. Doesn't.
Posted by: Dr_No at August 23, 2024 12:15 PM (ayRl+)
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"The RNC was a major production, like a Broadway show."
Yeah but the GOP has come to stand for Impotence and Treachery. Doesn't matter how professional their horses look, no one wants to attach their cart to that.
Yeah but the GOP has come to stand for Impotence and Treachery. Doesn't matter how professional their horses look, no one wants to attach their cart to that.
Posted by: Fen at August 23, 2024 12:20 PM (iqxAx)
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As I figured, Dr. No, the taxpayer paid for all this folly by Ford?
Again and again. This is fascism, classic.
Again and again. This is fascism, classic.
Posted by: PJU at August 23, 2024 12:20 PM (G1dq6)
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"They're apparently gonna issue a blu-ray collection of all their (3 stooges) stuff soon, and she is chuffed"
Disney? Mae, Harry and Shirley.
Disney? Mae, Harry and Shirley.
Posted by: Fen at August 23, 2024 12:29 PM (iqxAx)
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They'll just write it off.
Posted by: Kramer at August 23, 2024 12:30 PM (XeU6L)
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China and BlackRock, which together run the White House, are building EVs in Mexico to sneak them in as Mexican cars under the USMCA Trade Agreement.
China wants the American car market and Joey Bribes is trying to give it to them. Fentanyl Joe & Co. plan to outlaw any other vehicles.
Only President Trump is standing up to them.
As usual.
China wants the American car market and Joey Bribes is trying to give it to them. Fentanyl Joe & Co. plan to outlaw any other vehicles.
Only President Trump is standing up to them.
As usual.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at August 23, 2024 12:38 PM (cCgyq)
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Corvair fan belts had an installed twist that was okay at idle speeds--allowed the belt to recover from the twist, but at higher engine rpms couldn't cope, thus it would twist itself to strands.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at August 23, 2024 12:39 PM (hKoQL)
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1st regarding this:
67 The Bronco sales are also down 25% from last year.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (B1dzx)
I'm sorry to hear that. Those Broncos are kinda nice looking. Square at least. Every other SUV are rounded. I like driving a man's SUV not a rounded vg.
2nd: I think these asshats specifically target red states for the tax dollars they get in subsidies and then don't go forward with the projects. It drains the resources of the red states for the corporations and unions. I had thought Tennessee was smarter than that.
67 The Bronco sales are also down 25% from last year.
Posted by: polynikes at August 23, 2024 11:19 AM (B1dzx)
I'm sorry to hear that. Those Broncos are kinda nice looking. Square at least. Every other SUV are rounded. I like driving a man's SUV not a rounded vg.
2nd: I think these asshats specifically target red states for the tax dollars they get in subsidies and then don't go forward with the projects. It drains the resources of the red states for the corporations and unions. I had thought Tennessee was smarter than that.
Posted by: Morgan at August 23, 2024 12:40 PM (6BSp4)
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If Ford is taking multibillion-dollar losses on their EVs -- which are, themselves, subsidized heavily by taxpayers -- then I would hate to see how much we're ACTUALLY losing every year due to this unnecessary and futile policy of Saving The Planet.
Posted by: red speck at August 23, 2024 12:45 PM (0Id0S)
262
So stupid to jump from gas to ev.
Posted by: Plainoldtoast at August 23, 2024 12:46 PM (ytSiK)
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@143 [pushes cup of decaf over]
Yep, sit here with mouth open like carp in a pond, taking automotive pronouncement from a f@g who doesn't even know the names of the parts. You're gonna do great at this. Keep sucking.
Honey, do they come any dumber?
Yep, sit here with mouth open like carp in a pond, taking automotive pronouncement from a f@g who doesn't even know the names of the parts. You're gonna do great at this. Keep sucking.
Honey, do they come any dumber?
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 23, 2024 01:09 PM (zdLoL)
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259 >>Corvair fan belts had an installed twist that was okay at idle speeds--allowed the belt to recover from the twist, but at higher engine rpms couldn't cope, thus it would twist itself to strands.
Although it looked cool in the engine bay, I never understood why they didn't just go with a rope-type belt rather than the eve shape. If you're going to try to bend a belt's action 90°, why complicate the matter with forcing a v-shape to likewise twist? Just do it with a belt whose cross-section is a circle.
Shame that the Corsair had so many detractors. Cool concept and design.
Although it looked cool in the engine bay, I never understood why they didn't just go with a rope-type belt rather than the eve shape. If you're going to try to bend a belt's action 90°, why complicate the matter with forcing a v-shape to likewise twist? Just do it with a belt whose cross-section is a circle.
Shame that the Corsair had so many detractors. Cool concept and design.
Posted by: red speck at August 23, 2024 01:10 PM (0Id0S)
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If they were sensible thy would use it to build 65-67 retro Mustangs. Prices got so insane ordinary people can't touch them.
They'd fly out the showrooms.
They'd fly out the showrooms.
Posted by: stv at August 23, 2024 05:11 PM (P5JRd)
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