Kamala Harris, the Great Intellect and Policy Innovator, Somehow Comes Up With the Brilliant Idea of Ending Taxation on Tips

She hasn't shown this kind of intellectual firepower since she first decided to try some testes-play when going down on her boss.

Vice President Harris blindsided Democratic lawmakers and progressive activists by endorsing a proposal first floated by former President Trump to exempt tips for service and hospitality workers from taxes, an idea Democrats had previously criticized as "bogus" and a "ploy" for votes.
Harris's support for the idea is being seen as an aggressive play for votes in Nevada, a critical swing state where service workers will be key, and as an effort to neutralize whatever advantage Trump may have gained by first floating the idea during meetings with GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill in June.
But key Democratic lawmakers and progressive activists have raised serious concerns about the substance of the proposal to shield tipped income from taxation, worrying it would leave out many lower- and middle-income workers who are just as deserving of tax relief but don't work for tips.

Check out CBS "News'" coverage of this brilliant, unprecedented proposal.

You just might be able to see a difference in how they attacked the proposal when Trump proposed it, as compared to how they praised it when Kamala Harris stole someone else's homework to get by.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:30 PM

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1 1

Posted by: Kamala Harris at her first job interview at August 14, 2024 02:30 PM (FVLcK)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:30 PM (Zz0t1)

3 But......not taxing tips will COST the GOVERNMENT BILLIONS!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:31 PM (Zz0t1)

4 Too bad they didn't copy his energy policy.
And border policy.
And Afghanistsn policy.
And policy of not selling out the US to Chi a And Burisma...

Posted by: Kamala Harris at her first job interview at August 14, 2024 02:31 PM (FVLcK)

5 hey those CBS News posts are like PhotoHunt at the bar!

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:31 PM (CIS44)

6 For hookers.

Posted by: Plainoldtoast at August 14, 2024 02:31 PM (ytSiK)

7 Kamala Harris is the Amy Schumer of Carlos Mencias.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at August 14, 2024 02:32 PM (B9Prs)

8 But......not taxing tips will COST the GOVERNMENT BILLIONS!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

I have a pertinent question regarding this: So What?

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:32 PM (CIS44)

9 Vice President Harris blindsided Democratic lawmakers and progressive activists by endorsing a proposal first floated by former President Trump to exempt tips for service and hospitality workers from taxes, an idea Democrats had previously criticized as "bogus" and a "ploy" for votes.

Trump 'floated the idea.'

You don't hate the media enough.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:32 PM (Zz0t1)

10 Has anyone told Cummala, tips in this case have nothing to do with penises?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:32 PM (dGCAG)

11 That was an unfortunately overworn sock.

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2024 02:32 PM (FVLcK)

12
I have a pertinent question regarding this: So What?
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:32 PM (CIS44)

It doesn't 'cost' the government a damn thing.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:33 PM (Zz0t1)

13 “Can I copy your homework”

“Sure, just change it up a bit so you don’t get caught.”

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at August 14, 2024 02:33 PM (B9Prs)

14 3 But......not taxing tips will COST the GOVERNMENT BILLIONS!!!!
Posted by: Sponge
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Well, firing about 70k IRS agents outta cover the gap. In all seriousness, some efforts to collect taxes cost more than it raises. In that case, the taxes are purely punitive in nature.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:33 PM (7nYLv)

15 Putting an end to taxes on tips won't cost our government a fucking thing.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 14, 2024 02:33 PM (KbCG3)

16 That was an unfortunately overworn sock.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2024 02:32 PM (FVLcK)

And it will be the #1 comment forever more......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (Zz0t1)

17 Trump may be nasty and call people a lot of names.

But Vance is some weird couch-fucker!

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (krQz2)

18 But......not taxing tips will COST the GOVERNMENT BILLIONS!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:31 PM (Zz0t1)

Why, it's almost as if CBS is claiming what you earn is the government's money, and not yours.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (dGCAG)

19 Well, firing about 70k IRS agents outta cover the gap. In all seriousness, some efforts to collect taxes cost more than it raises. In that case, the taxes are purely punitive in nature.
Posted by: whig

https://tinyurl.com/yp59svr8

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (CIS44)

20 What of the Trump (?) idea of ending taxation on Social Security?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (J2vNu)

21 exempt tips for service and hospitality workers from taxes, an idea Democrats had previously criticized as "bogus" and a "ploy" for votes.
_______________

Yeah, everybody knows that the way to buy votes is to forgive student loans.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (mxvMh)

22 If they were smart, Democrats would support taxing erections. That leaves their base untaxed, but hits us hard.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (1bNHn)

23 3 But......not taxing tips will COST the GOVERNMENT BILLIONS!!!!
Posted by: Sponge

Nothing compared to what Biden's debt forgiveness cost. Estimates are that approximately 400 billion of teh pending 1.9 trillion dollar deficit this fiscal year came from that.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (7nYLv)

24 How many articles will point out her tie-breaking vote for the IRS bill that gave the agency easier access to earnings via tip so they could be more readily taxed?

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (FVLcK)

25 And this ladies and gentlemen is why they are propaganda ministries for the Dems and the left.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (gXGVH)

26 But......not taxing tips will COST the GOVERNMENT BILLIONS!!!!

Posted by: Sponge
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#Learn2budget

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (krQz2)

27 Serious question: what is the justification for not taxing tips? Tips are income like any other income. In the case of hospitality workers, it's usually the largest part of their income. So why shouldn't they have to pay taxes on it? I pay taxes on all my income. No free rides for me. Why should they get a free ride?

Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

28
I might actually consider waiter-ing once in a while for some of that tax free money. Dine and dash? You're gonna die.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (RKVpM)

29 26 But......not taxing tips will COST the GOVERNMENT BILLIONS!!!!

Posted by: Sponge
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#Learn2budget
Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (krQz2)
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Learn2cut.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (1bNHn)

30 Get that dick out of your mouth CBS. Just kidding, CBS, you won't get that dick out of your mouth.

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (JrF6z)

31 You know, I can kinda see why the leftards think the MSM is working for Trump when they tell such blatant in your face lies and obvious partisan coverage. Seems stupid.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (pohLc)

32 https://tinyurl.com/yp59svr8
Posted by: BruceWayne
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Smart kid. Ultimately, when the trust in government and patriotism is drained from a country, that is the proper response.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (7nYLv)

33 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE KAMALA USED TO WORK ~~FOR~~ ON TIPS.

Posted by: BEN ROETHESBERGER at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (rAsBA)

34 CBS is a long, long way down the road Bernard Goldberg wrote about 30 years ago in Bias

Posted by: Emily Litella at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (JvZF+)

35 Not stated is that this was Kamabla being Bambabla.

She'd heard somewhere "no tax on tips" and is/was too stupid to know it was Trump.

That is the explanation that fits.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (dHBPd)

36 Why, it's almost as if CBS is claiming what you earn is the government's money, and not yours.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC

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Which is a soft way of getting to the heart of the matter.

"You exist to serve this ship. Row well . . . and live."

Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (hCxGu)

37 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq.

When I served and was a bartender all CC tips were automatically reported and were taxed. None of us reported our cash tips at the end of shift.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (CIS44)

38 “Taxing tips would cost the government billions!”

“I already support the idea, you do t have to keep selling it to me.”

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (B9Prs)

39 Why, it's almost as if CBS is claiming what you earn is the government's money, and not yours.

Almost.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (dGCAG)
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There is too much money the IRS has been letting you hold.

(I've actually heard words to that effect from Dems).

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (krQz2)

40 They really are just rubbing it in our face with the no tax on tips policy steal. The gaslighting is off the charts, it's exhausting.

Posted by: spypeach at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (1ffz8)

41 I imagine they will spin Harris' proposal as increasing federal revenues by eleventy-trillion dollars.

We'll be able to pay off the federal debt with such an audacious economic strategy!

/sarc

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2024 02:37 PM (7fElN)

42 Smart kid. Ultimately, when the trust in government and patriotism is drained from a country, that is the proper response.
Posted by: whig a

Ya it's as good as the one from Parks and Rec:
Why does govt matter?

It doesnt.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:37 PM (CIS44)

43 Kamala knows about tips.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 14, 2024 02:37 PM (FmapG)

44 16 And it will be the #1 comment forever more......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (Zz0t1)

People will forget about it by the time ace posts the cafe.

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2024 02:37 PM (FVLcK)

45 So Calamari proposes not to tax tips, then supports construction of the border wall, reviving Keystone XL, holding NATO's feet to the fire, proposes to Make America Great Again ...

Trump/Harris 2024!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2024 02:37 PM (mxvMh)

46 None of us reported our cash tips at the end of shift.
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (CIS44)

The very reason I always tip in cash.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 02:37 PM (pohLc)

47 For strippers and sex workers too?

That is a Dem constituency....

Posted by: Stateless at August 14, 2024 02:38 PM (jvJvP)

48
Serious question: what is the justification for not taxing tips?

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM

Are you forced to tip, or is it a gift you bestow upon someone?

I look at it as a gift. Unless it's about $19,000 or so, it's non taxable as a gift. Look how much money King Obama bestowed upon his daughters tax free.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2024 02:38 PM (RKVpM)

49 I imagine they will spin Harris' proposal as increasing federal revenues by eleventy-trillion dollars.
________________

Mint 11 trillion dollar coins. Easy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2024 02:38 PM (mxvMh)

50 "You exist to serve this ship. Row well . . . and live."
Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (hCxGu)

Don't I get a shout out for "41"?

Posted by: Boswell at August 14, 2024 02:38 PM (K+UlC)

51 Pointed out the other day, 102k voters in Clark Co NV were just declared "inactive."
They were all sent a mail-in ballot in 2020.

They can still vote in person but a mail-in ballot cannot be sent to them this year.

Trump "lost" NV by some 35k votes.

All the pollsters still have NV as solid blue.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:38 PM (dHBPd)

52 She'd heard somewhere "no tax on tips" and is/was too stupid to know it was Trump.

That is the explanation that fits.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (dHBPd)
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She likes tips as part of her appreciation for the whole staff.

No one, in her mind, should discourage a staff with tips.

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:38 PM (OaZlZ)

53 She no longer supports Medicare for all. At least according to an unnamed campaign spokesperson.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (63Dwl)

54 24 How many articles will point out her tie-breaking vote for the IRS bill that gave the agency easier access to earnings via tip so they could be more readily taxed?
Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (FVLcK)

Is that a trick question?

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (lg881)

55 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq.

When I served and was a bartender all CC tips were automatically reported and were taxed. None of us reported our cash tips at the end of shift.
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (CIS44)
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Most of my tips were in cash -- I obviously wanted it that way -- in large part because I worked in an expensive bar-restaurant frequented by mafia people who sure as shit didn't want any CC record that they were there. Of course I just pocketed the cash, regardless what the tax treatment was supposed to be.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (iFTx/)

56 I don't see why it's good policy so much as pandering. But whatever. I don't really care.

Posted by: Pander Bear at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (acykC)

57 Well, firing about 70k IRS agents outta cover the gap. In all seriousness, some efforts to collect taxes cost more than it raises. In that case, the taxes are purely punitive in nature.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:33 PM (7nYLv)
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And wholly unrelated to government expenditures.

Posted by: Emily Litella at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (JvZF+)

58 What of the Trump (?) idea of ending taxation on Social Security?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (J2vNu)

I heard him repeat it recently, I think maybe in the Elon interview.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (dGCAG)

59 This reminds me of the Forrest Gump book, when he is running for Senate and his campaign slogan is, "I gotta pee." Then when he takes a big lead, his competitor changes his slogan to, "I gotta pee, too!"

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (DRSnL)

60 /snl sock off

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (JvZF+)

61 I drink YOUR milkshake!

Posted by: Kneepads Harris at August 14, 2024 02:39 PM (guGkK)

62 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade
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There are NO principles in who is taxed and who is not. It is always a matter of choice by legislatures and fairness never comes into it except as a large enough group of voters demand it.

It is more who has the clout to prevent being taxed. There is no sound reason economically, why lawyer fees are not subject to sales tax for example. Ditto for life insurance or any host of services that are not taxed for one reason of the state or another.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:40 PM (7nYLv)

63 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)
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Restaurant owners become a defacto arm of the IRS through taxing tips. This would remove that burden.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 14, 2024 02:40 PM (tT6L1)

64 None of us reported our cash tips at the end of shift.
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (CIS44)

The very reason I always tip in cash.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 02:37 PM (pohLc)

The restaurant economy would shift overnight to minimize wages, freeze or even lower food prices, and incentivize tipping, cash or otherwise. But the $15 min wage states have screwed themselves again.

Posted by: TexasDan at August 14, 2024 02:40 PM (rAsBA)

65 Couldn't some smart accountants fix it so everybody works for tips?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2024 02:40 PM (63Dwl)

66 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

Offset of being paid less than minimum wage? Voluntary payment between two parties? Fuck the government's theft?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (KbCG3)

67 51. They wont send those ballots out. They will just fill them out for those voters.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (7PziG)

68 If you work a tip job and don't declare any cash tips with no credit card tips recorded, the IRS will make up a number and tax you on it and you will be f*cked come April.

Ask me how I know.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (Zz0t1)

69 27 Serious question: what is the justification for not taxing tips? Tips are income like any other income. In the case of hospitality workers, it's usually the largest part of their income. So why shouldn't they have to pay taxes on it? I pay taxes on all my income. No free rides for me. Why should they get a free ride?

Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

Yep. Flatter, lower taxes that affect everyone/all income is the best conservative approach. However, the counterargument is that you starve the beast one nickel at a time. Given that the counterargument ignores that the government no longer pretends to care about a balanced budget, it's fairly weak.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (a/dOO)

70 When I served and was a bartender all CC tips were automatically reported and were taxed. None of us reported our cash tips at the end of shift.
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:36 PM (CIS44)

As a server, I always earned the lowest possible amount (and therefore paid the lowest possible tax) IYKWIM.

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (JCLJi)

71 Serious question: what is the justification for not taxing tips?

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM

Are you forced to tip, or is it a gift you bestow upon someone?

I look at it as a gift. Unless it's about $19,000 or so, it's non taxable as a gift. Look how much money King Obama bestowed upon his daughters tax free.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2024 02:38 PM (RKVpM)
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By that logic, almost any income can be a gift. And tips are considered income by the workers, or else they wouldn't be endlessly pimping and shaming for tips with their tip jars, etc.

If the tips are not needed as income, and are merely just gifts, then I wouldn't be tipping anyone. I don't give gifts to rando strangers.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (iFTx/)

72 In the Futurama episode "A Head in the Polls" the two candidates, John Jackson and Jack Johnson (or something like that) both advance a 3-cent tax on titanium.

One says that the tax goes too far.

The other says it doesn't go too far enough.

Turns out they are clones of each other.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (7fElN)

73 It is more who has the clout to prevent being taxed.

...

The principle of no taxation without representation has been dead for a long time. I don't know if "sin taxes" were the first nail in the coffin but they always stood out as the most glaring example to me.

Posted by: TexasDan at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (rAsBA)

74 There were two summers I lived off cash tips. Fvck no, I didn't pay tax on them. Good times.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (JvZF+)

75 What kind of an "election" in a "democracy" does one have with "Press" such as this?

Something else is coming. What cannot endure will not endure.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (ssz2a)

76 If tips aren't taxed, how will the government afford to send the next $50 billion to Ukraine?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (guGkK)

77 If you work a tip job and don't declare any cash tips with no credit card tips recorded, the IRS will make up a number and tax you on it and you will be f*cked come April.

Ask me how I know.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck

Thus the restaurant automatically reporting the CC tips and caring fuck all for what we did with the rest was the way around that.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (CIS44)

78 Next up: Khameleon Kommielamadingdongflipflop dumps Tampon Tim and offers the VP slot to Mike Pence.

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (cqQTU)

79 Cumala knows alls about my tip(s)! She done good on my tip(s)!

Posted by: Willie B! at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (K861k)

80 Restaurant owners become a defacto arm of the IRS through taxing tips. This would remove that burden.
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The IRS will fine the restaurant owner if it deems the tips reported by employees is too low.
Not small fines either.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (dHBPd)

81
Thus the restaurant automatically reporting the CC tips and caring fuck all for what we did with the rest was the way around that.
Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (CIS44)

The place I worked did not take credit cards.......I didn't claim tip $$$.

The IRS got their money.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (Zz0t1)

82 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

Well, I start with the belief the government shouldn't get ANY of one's income.

Otherwise, as a practical matter, it puts more of a burden on the person who relies on tips, to try to calculate their income, whereas someone getting a salary has their employer doing it for them.

Another case could be made that businesses should pay their employees what they deserve, and not leave it between the employee and the customer to decide what wage they should be getting.

Tips are a stupid tradition. Just pay them what they deserve.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (dGCAG)

83 10% for the big guy?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (7g8Sn)

84
Kamala always fell for the "just the tip" line in high school.

Posted by: Willie Brown at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (+oR7L)

85 The principle of no taxation without representation has been dead for a long time. I don't know if "sin taxes" were the first nail in the coffin but they always stood out as the most glaring example to me.
Posted by: TexasDan

*Tim Walz placing 97% tax on Zyn and Rogue has entered the chat*

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (CIS44)

86 "why would I vote for an imitation Trump, when the real one is right there on the ballot?"

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (D7oie)

87 The IRS will fine the restaurant owner if it deems the tips reported by employees is too low.
Not small fines either.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (dHBPd)
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I forgot about that aspect.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (tT6L1)

88
I tip in dollar bills now. The waiter/waitress gets to decide exactly how much they wanna report.

I hope they pocket the entire amount and call me a deadbeat. I've been justifiably called worse in life.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (RKVpM)

89 She would never sign a tax cut bill

this is chaff
flares
countermeasures

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (/7KEl)

90 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

Offset of being paid less than minimum wage? Voluntary payment between two parties? Fuck the government's theft?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (KbCG3)
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If it's offset from wages, then it's definitely income. Why should the gov't get to steal from me but not them? I'd rather go to a tipless system and let the workers and their employers work out their own arrangement.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (iFTx/)

91 Inwould have reported my cash tips, but they were all unfortunately lost in a tragic boating accident.

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (FVLcK)

92 If the tips are not needed as income, and are merely just gifts, then I wouldn't be tipping anyone. I don't give gifts to rando strangers.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM (iFTx/)

I take a more flexible outlook. If Gemma Arterton came to my door wanting a tip, I would sure give it to her.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (pohLc)

93 The very reason I always tip in cash.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 02:37 PM (pohLc)
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Ditto.

Although, it did result in a sort of iffy moment when a haircut girl asked me "Was there something wrong?" when I lined through the tip entry. I told her no, and then she pressed a little, and finally I said, "Look on your table."

She did a good job.

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (OaZlZ)

94
If Kamala ever had an original thought in her life, it would be a miracle.

She is so intellectually incurious, and a total fraud.

Posted by: Frank Barone at August 14, 2024 02:45 PM (+oR7L)

95 Tips are a stupid tradition. Just pay them what they deserve.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (dGCAG)

Your food always comes cold at your favorite restaurant, doesn't it.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 02:45 PM (D7oie)

96 Something else is coming. What cannot endure will not endure.

STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 02:45 PM (7g8Sn)

97 Paramount, which owns CBS recently initiated efforts to layoff 15% of their entire staff. How much is this costing the government? That 15% won't be paying future taxes on their salary.

Heathens!!!!

Posted by: Orson at August 14, 2024 02:45 PM (dIske)

98 Biden, just now at the WH in front of reporters:
"My policies are working. Just write it that way. OK?"

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2024 02:45 PM (MeG8a)

99 Biden, just now at the WH in front of reporters:
"My policies are working. Just write it that way. OK?"

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2024 02:45 PM (MeG8a)
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* nods slowly in unison *

Posted by: MiSinforMation at August 14, 2024 02:47 PM (OaZlZ)

100 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

Well, I start with the belief the government shouldn't get ANY of one's income.

Otherwise, as a practical matter, it puts more of a burden on the person who relies on tips, to try to calculate their income, whereas someone getting a salary has their employer doing it for them.

Another case could be made that businesses should pay their employees what they deserve, and not leave it between the employee and the customer to decide what wage they should be getting.

Tips are a stupid tradition. Just pay them what they deserve.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (dGCAG)
______

That I agree with. I also agree that taxes should be low for everyone. But why am I paying sky-high taxes on every penny of my income, including capital gains for risks that I alone took, while someone else is getting most of their income tax-free?

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:47 PM (iFTx/)

101 It's crappy public policy to win Nevada.

Guess how people who work for tips are going to vote once most of their money is shielded from taxes? You think they care about government spending?

Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (4pwAx)

102 Although, it did result in a sort of iffy moment when a haircut girl asked me "Was there something wrong?" when I lined through the tip entry. I told her no, and then she pressed a little, and finally I said, "Look on your table."

She did a good job.
Posted by: Axeman

A grown man should never let a woman cut his hair.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (v6JzV)

103 >I don't know if "sin taxes" were the first nail in the coffin but they always stood out as the most glaring example to me.

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cigarette taxes
consider: a product that sickens and kills people, but is legal, because it is such a cash cow for the State

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (/7KEl)

104 Joe is in public? Just like clockwork the Junta is trotting him out to prove Joe's still around.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (tT6L1)

105 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

taxes are only supposed to be on formal payment agreements in an employer/employee relationship, and not on gifts?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (D7oie)

106 If tips aren't taxed, how will the government afford to send the next $50 billion to Ukraine?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (guGkK)

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"This will attract 100 million more illegal aliens to come do the jobs that starving Americans won't -- vastly expanding our tax base, h8r!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (cqQTU)

107 76 If tips aren't taxed, how will the government afford to send the next $50 billion to Ukraine?
Posted by: Cicero
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Borrow it as they do for about one third now of the federal budget.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (7nYLv)

108
I don't give gifts to rando strangers.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM

I do. They get me a cold beer. A fat burger. Make sure I get another cold beer.

They don't *have* to do that. They're nice. I wanna give them a gift for being so nice. It keeps them nice. Not surly. Surly servers are gonna pea in your soup.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (RKVpM)

109 102 Although, it did result in a sort of iffy moment when a haircut girl asked me "Was there something wrong?" when I lined through the tip entry. I told her no, and then she pressed a little, and finally I said, "Look on your table."

She did a good job.
Posted by: Axeman

A grown man should never let a woman cut his hair.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (v6JzV)

Spoken like a guy who has never had a boob resting on the back of his head.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (KbCG3)

110 But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
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Because taxes are now irrelevant to spending so all taxation is anymore is a means to punish your political enemies.

We long, long ago lost the fight over fiscal responsibility in the federal government.
We need to punish our political enemies--not prop up their spending with taxes on our people.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (dHBPd)

111 New Kraven the Hunter trailer is surprisingly good. For context this is the next installment of Sony's doomed Spider-Verse.

Posted by: Max Power at August 14, 2024 02:49 PM (q177U)

112 You just might be able to see a difference in how they attacked the proposal when Trump proposed it, as compared to how they praised it when ~~Kamala Harris stole someone else's homework to get by~~ Trump positioned Kamala Harris for success.

fixt

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2024 02:49 PM (oY6Yp)

113 The mainstream media that Nate Silver depends almost entirely on for his living took the business end of a chainsaw to the back of the head of Nate these last couple of weeks and today, he finally capitulated and suggested that Kamalala ding dong is a shoe in all along..."of course, so sorry, master..."

Of all the stories out there of the MSM whacking anyone against their DNC choice - this one is the most cringe-worthy - this guy held out for like, for all of ten days, and then cried uncle after several major news outlets started suggesting he was incompetent and non-credible...

Posted by: Boswell at August 14, 2024 02:49 PM (K+UlC)

114 When I got to South Korea to teach English, a guy overheard me asking at the airport how much I should tip the guy getting my luggage.

He told me there was no tipping in South Korea at all.

I got used to that surprisingly fast....

Posted by: Stateless at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (jvJvP)

115 103 >I don't know if "sin taxes" were the first nail in the coffin but they always stood out as the most glaring example to me.

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cigarette taxes
consider: a product that sickens and kills people, but is legal, because it is such a cash cow for the State
Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (/7KEl)

When I worked in CT, they implemented a cigarette tax with the proceeds supposedly going to schools.

So if the tax cut people off of smoking, the schools would suffer?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (KbCG3)

116 Spoken like a guy who has never had a boob resting on the back of his head.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

Hmmm. Strangely, I've never thought of that. Maybe I will have to revisit my position.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (v6JzV)

117 "Trust me when I say that I will fight to reverse my policies!"

Posted by: Kommie-la at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (+9G3c)

118 Completely OT: But wonder if Nurse has seen this also fodder for the cafe

https://tinyurl.com/3x5su6uz

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (CIS44)

119 Tips are compensation.

A gift has no strings attached and there's no exchange of goods or services.

Do you ever "tip" a waiter that waits on someone else's table out of the goodness of your heart?

Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (4pwAx)

120 They steal elections and billions designated for Ukraine, why not policy ideas?

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (JrF6z)

121 108 Surly servers are gonna pea in your soup.

and then split?

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (oY6Yp)

122 One way to look at this -

If SOME of us get to party like it's 1999 - which would be the Free Shit Army - then the rest of us do too.

No taxes on tips, no tax on social security, hell no tax on nothing. If we're all going into the ditch, then I'm not interested in being sober the rest of the ride. I've been responsible and prudent for 29+ yeats. Pass me the bottle.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 14, 2024 02:50 PM (hCxGu)

123 New Kraven the Hunter trailer is surprisingly good. For context this is the next installment of Sony's doomed Spider-Verse.
Posted by: Max Power a

havent seen the new one yet, but basically everything is wrong about that character.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 02:51 PM (CIS44)

124 Trump should declare all wages and salary is a sale of labor and not income.

Thus, subject only to sales tax.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:51 PM (dHBPd)

125 Tips are a stupid tradition. Just pay them what they deserve.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (dGCAG)

Your food always comes cold at your favorite restaurant, doesn't it.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 02:45 PM (D7oie)

I didn't say I don't do it, I said it's a stupid way of paying these people.

Because it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:52 PM (dGCAG)

126 A grown man should never let a woman cut his hair.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (v6JzV)

You want a man touching your head? (cough)

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 02:52 PM (JrF6z)

127 Tips are a stupid tradition. Just pay them what they deserve.
Posted by: BurtTC
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I agree, but have you ever been to a place that traditionally relies on tips, but instead has a salary?

Terrible service.

Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 02:52 PM (4pwAx)

128 Tips are a stupid tradition. Just pay them what they deserve.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (dGCAG)
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That's the reason that one liberal mag criticized Trump's NTOT proposal. Because he should foster and sign a bill to force restaurant owners to "pay restaurant staff what they deserve".

That's why NTOT was bad. It wasn't enough of a total government solution when Trump proposed it.

But, hey, Kamala's got this idea that service people don't have to pay tax on tips! That's great!

Posted by: MiSinforMation at August 14, 2024 02:52 PM (OaZlZ)

129 Could this whole rollout be because Trump wanted to get inject "just the tip" into the national conversation?

Posted by: t-bird at August 14, 2024 02:52 PM (3fFru)

130 I don't give gifts to rando strangers.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM

I do. They get me a cold beer. A fat burger. Make sure I get another cold beer.

They don't *have* to do that. They're nice. I wanna give them a gift for being so nice. It keeps them nice. Not surly. Surly servers are gonna pea in your soup.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (RKVpM)
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I don't have to do a good job at my job either. I can half-ass it. I can be surly too. So what portion of my salary is a gift for being nice?

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:52 PM (iFTx/)

131 Politics · Trending
#TrumpIsDone
67.8K posts

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 02:53 PM (/7KEl)

132 Something else is coming.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at August 14, 2024 02:42 PM (ssz2a)

Already here.

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 02:53 PM (JrF6z)

133 Don't get me wrong. I understand why they don't want to pay taxes on tips. I didn't either when I was a waiter and bartender. But what actual policy position is being advanced here, other than pure political pandering and rent-seeking?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq.

Hey Doc - Many moons ago I also waited tables in a high end restaurant in San Diego. Gratuities were not guaranteed except for parties over ten. There were times where it cost me more money to wait on a table than I received in base pay because I was stiffed (not in a good way) because not that I wasn't a good waitress (you had to be to work there) but some people are assholes. Some were Canadian or black - two groups that generally don't tip at all or don't leave a tip commensurate with the total of the bill. If they paid via credit card which was most of them, you had to claim the tip amount as there was a paper trail, if in cash you could claim a lot less. I guess the policy is allowing people to keep their "gifts" as they are not guaranteed income. Now I believe that there are a lot of restaurants that are writing gratuities in to the over all bill regardless of size of party.

Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2024 02:53 PM (oiNtH)

134 Tips are a stupid tradition. Just pay them what they deserve.
Posted by: BurtTC
__

I agree, but have you ever been to a place that traditionally relies on tips, but instead has a salary?

Terrible service.
Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 02:52 PM (4pwAx)
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Get a lot of shit service where there are tips too. Too many workers just expect big tips but don't want to do anything for it. I hate the tipping system.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (iFTx/)

135 > A grown man should never let a woman cut his hair.
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The attractive woman doing my hair also rests her boobs on the back of my neck and occasionally in my face.

I don't see this as any sort of downside.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (Q4IgG)

136 That I agree with. I also agree that taxes should be low for everyone. But why am I paying sky-high taxes on every penny of my income, including capital gains for risks that I alone took, while someone else is getting most of their income tax-free?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:47 PM (iFTx/)

If the system is not fair, then I'm going to be more gleeful knowing the government is getting less money, not the waiter.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (dGCAG)

137 When footing the bill for a daughters wedding, service tips can add up to thousands. This I know.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (pohLc)

138 Too bad Biden already ran as Trump.

Tough talking, hard nosed, tell it like it is, etc etc

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (JrF6z)

139 Spoken like a guy who has never had a boob resting on the back of his head.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

Thinking of that short, stacked Japanese lady dentist who was working on a filling that fell out . . . .

It wasn't safe.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (D7oie)

140 I hate the tipping system.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (iFTx/)

It's dangerous.

Posted by: Hank Johnson at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (OguvZ)

141 That I agree with. I also agree that taxes should be low for everyone. But why am I paying sky-high taxes on every penny of my income, including capital gains for risks that I alone took, while someone else is getting most of their income tax-free?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade
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If you deduct anything off your income taxes, then ipso facto it is unfair to someone else and no more righteous than not taxing tips.

For me, it is more about starving Leviathan and helping people who have to hustle and work at restaurants a bit of an increase.

The restaurant and hospitality industry has carved out an exception to paying minimum wage for such folks to lower their labor costs and the serving people have to work their ass off (or shake it in some cases I guess) to get those tips to augment that 2 plus some odd dollar per hour rate.

As far as unfairness in taxation, that is baked into the cake and squeezing service people ain't gonna make up for all the bennies handed out by Congress or state legislatures to favored groups.

"Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." comes to mind.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (7nYLv)

142 the government doesn't want you to quit smoking

they figure those taaxes into projected spending

smoke 'em if ya got 'em

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (/7KEl)

143 No taxes on anything! Just print all the money we need! Everyone becomes a trillionaire!!!

/s

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (7PziG)

144 Also, not only is she not doing interviews, she has dropped her press pool, too.

You think this would make them mad….

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (QzINz)

145
In a time when the government is printing trillions in new dollars every year any discussion of taxation is kinda beside the point.

Meanwhile, I like my soup devoid of pee. Or pea. Unless I make the pea soup myself. With ham bone.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (RKVpM)

146 No taxes on tips, no tax on social security, hell no tax on nothing. If we're all going into the ditch, then I'm not interested in being sober the rest of the ride. I've been responsible and prudent for 29+ yeats. Pass me the bottle.
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Exactly.
We're so far past the point of fixing this it's a lie to even suggest it.

There are only two solutions:
1) massive inflation
2) default

Either way, the people are screwed.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (dHBPd)

147 > A grown man should never let a woman cut his hair.
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The attractive woman doing my hair also rests her boobs on the back of my neck and occasionally in my face.

I don't see this as any sort of downside.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (Q4IgG)
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It's more relaxing.

Posted by: MiSinforMation at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (OaZlZ)

148 >>> 27 Serious question: what is the justification for not taxing tips? Tips are income like any other income. In the case of hospitality workers, it's usually the largest part of their income. So why shouldn't they have to pay taxes on it? I pay taxes on all my income. No free rides for me. Why should they get a free ride?
==
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

Does the IRS accuse you of lying about your income if it isn't what they think you made, and require you to pay taxes on *their* number?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (FnneF)

149 The principle behind TRA '86 was the government should tax all forms of income in order to lower rates across the board. It simplifies things and makes it fairer. No reason that a man making $35,000 hanging dry wall should pay a different amount than a woman making $35,000 waiting tables, all other things being the same. The fact that Harris adopted it should tell you it's a stupid idea.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson Trump/Vance 2024 at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (wGerL)

150 A grown man should never let a woman cut his hair.
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The attractive woman doing my hair also rests her boobs on the back of my neck and occasionally in my face.

I don't see this as any sort of downside.

Posted by: Martini Farmer

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Amen brother. And will often give a little minute and a half or so massage of the neck and shoulders at the end.

Oh, and can cut more than one hairstyle.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (5UOWV)

151 Too bad Biden already ran as Trump.

Tough talking, hard nosed, tell it like it is, etc etc
Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (JrF6z)

and to tell you the truth, I have never seen Trump braying like a f****** jackass. Weird isn't it?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (D7oie)

152 If the Republicans in Congress weren't a collaborators in the uniparty, they would advance a bill right now to end tax on tips. They could say this is president Trump's policy and allegedly Kamala's. Let see if it could pass and who would vote against it

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (gXGVH)

153 I hate the tipping system.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (iFTx/)

It's dangerous.
Posted by: Hank Johnson at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (OguvZ)

Also, embarrassing.

Posted by: A Cow at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (guGkK)

154
Tips are a stupid tradition. Just pay them what they deserve.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:43 PM (dGCAG)

Tips are incentive for your server to not suck balls.

If you think a millennial will treat you the same if they're making $20 an hr, vs. having to bust ass for 20% of your bill, you're wrong. They will not.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:57 PM (Zz0t1)

155 Get a lot of shit service where there are tips too. Too many workers just expect big tips but don't want to do anything for it. I hate the tipping system.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (iFTx/)

Yeah, I'm more inclined to let the business owner know his staff stinks, and leave it to that person to decide if they want my business in the future or not.

I really don't want to negotiate with their employees, and have them deciding whether they're going to spit in my food or not, based on whether they think I'm a big tipper or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:58 PM (dGCAG)

156 Politics · Trending
#TrumpIsDone
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Why?
What stupid shit are the lefties trying to make "a thing" now?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 02:58 PM (dHBPd)

157 Admittedly, if we had a topless barber shop, that would be interesting, save for around here, instead of hot babes, it would be staffed with hairy, overweight, men.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 02:58 PM (pohLc)

158 Look, we all knew in the 2016 primaries that Trump was not above pandering.

It's not a surprise. It's a price I'll pay if it gets Trump back in.

Otherwise, the gulags await.

Who knows how long they'll wait. Maybe we'll start out with some minor struggle sessions first, and ease into gulags.

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:58 PM (OaZlZ)

159 Get a lot of shit service where there are tips too. Too many workers just expect big tips but don't want to do anything for it. I hate the tipping system.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade
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The service industries including law, accounting, etc. are filled with mediocre people demanding payment beyond their marginal benefit to the payee. So, do we apply sales taxes on those services?

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (7nYLv)

160 Just the tip(s).

-Things never said by Kumala’s mouth (and throat)

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (s3637)

161 The attractive woman doing my hair also rests her boobs on the back of my neck and occasionally in my face.

I don't see this as any sort of downside.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (Q4IgG)

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She has to get that close to cut your hair? Does she have TRex arms?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (2UnvF)

162 I really don't want to negotiate with their employees, and have them deciding whether they're going to spit in my food or not, based on whether they think I'm a big tipper or not.
Posted by: BurtTC

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A *huge* post-COVID problem now that the Overton window has shifted expectations to tipping when you order and not after service.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (5UOWV)

163 157 Admittedly, if we had a topless barber shop, that would be interesting, save for around here, instead of hot babes, it would be staffed with hairy, overweight, men.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

I am told by Biden that "Moobs are the new Boobs."

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (7nYLv)

164 who knows
I just thought I'd share, for the group's consideration

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (/7KEl)

165
She has to get that close to cut your hair? Does she have TRex arms?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (2UnvF)

Marking her territory.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (Zz0t1)

166 Oh, KFC canada.

I'm ordering at the counter, being overcharged for food. I'm rung through and the credit card machine asks how much I want to tip!

What the hell?

Posted by: Stateless at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (jvJvP)

167 98 Biden, just now at the WH in front of reporters:
"My policies are working. Just write it that way. OK?"

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2024 02:45 PM (MeG8a)

What specific policies of yours have reduced inflation, Joe? Proclaiming inflation doesn't exist? That it is only transitory, for a short time? Telling lies about grocery prices going down? Accusing corporations of greed, price gouging, and shrinkflation? Accusing grocery stores of greed and price gouging? Accusing oil companies of greed and price-fixing when the price of crude goes down but the price of gas at the pump does not instantly go down in response? Did I leave-out any inflation-reducing economic policies you have been executing the past three years?

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (u+ivB)

168 A tip is a bribe, or an incentive.. depending on your level of cynicism. They are important in places where you are a regular…

Posted by: tubal at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (PCK5/)

169 That I agree with. I also agree that taxes should be low for everyone. But why am I paying sky-high taxes on every penny of my income, including capital gains for risks that I alone took, while someone else is getting most of their income tax-free?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:47 PM (iFTx/)

If the system is not fair, then I'm going to be more gleeful knowing the government is getting less money, not the waiter.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (dGCAG)
_____

You're also getting less money, though. That shortfall from no taxes on tips is gonna have to be made up somehow. Guess how?

And I'd love to know the political affiliations of these workers we are proposing to give a tax windfall. My guess? The majority ain't Republicans!

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (iFTx/)

170 Tips are incentive for your server to not suck balls.

If you think a millennial will treat you the same if they're making $20 an hr, vs. having to bust ass for 20% of your bill, you're wrong. They will not.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 02:57 PM (Zz0t1)

I think that's an effect of the tipping tradition, not that tipping is the cause.

And if that's the way it is, without tips, then the service industry is irretrievably broken, and we should all go back to killing and cooking our own food.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (dGCAG)

171 Ditto.

Although, it did result in a sort of iffy moment when a haircut girl asked me "Was there something wrong?" when I lined through the tip entry. I told her no, and then she pressed a little, and finally I said, "Look on your table."

She did a good job.
Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:44 PM (OaZlZ)

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Also only tip in cash (collect numerous bills and denominations in my wallet).

Damn, that's a great idea to line through the tip entry (like I was taught to do when writing checks at the end of the written denomination); I always write a zero -- but they could stick a one or two in front of it, and maybe mess with the total somehow ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (arr7x)

172 You think this would make them mad….
Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (QzINz)

They're every bit as mad as when they were "fooled" by Joe Biden.

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (JrF6z)

173 Oh, KFC canada.

I'm ordering at the counter, being overcharged for food. I'm rung through and the credit card machine asks how much I want to tip!

What the hell?
Posted by: Stateless

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Those commercials with Deion Sanders wearing an enormous red cowboy hat and smiling behind a table full of fried chicken aren't going to pay for themselves.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (5UOWV)

174 I don't give gifts to rando strangers.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:41 PM

Me neither, I do it for service folk who are doing a hard job, and make my experience a good one.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (D7oie)

175 When it comes to tax policy, the only person whose opinion I respect is Warren Buffett’s “secretary.” I am eagerly awaiting her return to the MSM talkshow circuit to explain how she pays a higher tax rate than her boss, and therefore any middle-class tax cut is bad for the economy. Now she can also explain why this tax cut would be terrible if Trump did it but good if Harris did it.

Posted by: Johnny Anditmightbeasin at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (kB4cQ)

176 Too bad Biden already ran as Trump.

Tough talking, hard nosed, tell it like it is, etc etc
Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (JrF6z)
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Make -> Build
America -> ...
Great -> Better
Again -> Back

It's interesting when you see *what* part was left out!

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:01 PM (OaZlZ)

177 156 Politics · Trending
#TrumpIsDone
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Why?
What stupid shit are the lefties trying to make "a thing" now?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Doubling down on stupidity. The Dems can never take an L as a personality disorder.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:01 PM (7nYLv)

178 Conservative policy should be making taxes flatter and fairer. Not showering special tax status because you want to win a state.

No different than a Democrat bailing out student loans because you need those votes.

Paying taxes is a red pill wake up call. When you're forced to split your paycheck with the government, you start asking questions.

Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 03:01 PM (4pwAx)

179 Current wage and hour law says if the hourly wage and tip does not equal min wage, the house has to cover the difference.

People making min wage don’t really pay taxes under the current system- it’s returned to them as a refund. What may lower is the business liability on this? Which would be a boon to business? A small one but I guess you employ a lot of people it adds up. It would lower SS, if that sticks around.

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:01 PM (QzINz)

180 A woman cuts my hair so that I look like Andy Garcia. As a small business owner she's fiercely conservative. And she gives a military discount.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 14, 2024 03:01 PM (wBaIH)

181 You're also getting less money, though. That shortfall from no taxes on tips is gonna have to be made up somehow. Guess how?

And I'd love to know the political affiliations of these workers we are proposing to give a tax windfall. My guess? The majority ain't Republicans!
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (iFTx/)

Maybe, but there's a tipping point (SWIDT?), where if you, Mr. Taxman, try to tax me too much, eventually I'll come slit your throat.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:02 PM (dGCAG)

182 >> The attractive woman doing my hair also rests her boobs on the back of my neck and occasionally in my face.

I don't see this as any sort of downside.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (Q4IgG)

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She has to get that close to cut your hair? Does she have TRex arms?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (2UnvF)
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I've no idea if she even has arms. She may very well be holding the trimmer in her mouth for all I care.

The cut is always the same.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 03:02 PM (Q4IgG)

183 And I'd love to know the political affiliations of these workers we are proposing to give a tax windfall. My guess? The majority ain't Republicans!
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq
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Almost everyone in hospitality is a Democrat. From management, to owners, to workers.

Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 03:03 PM (4pwAx)

184 Also only tip in cash (collect numerous bills and denominations in my wallet).

Damn, that's a great idea to line through the tip entry (like I was taught to do when writing checks at the end of the written denomination); I always write a zero -- but they could stick a one or two in front of it, and maybe mess with the total somehow ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (arr7x)
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I have to admit, before that and after that I have written something like "At station" on that line.

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:03 PM (OaZlZ)

185 Spoken like a guy who has never had a boob resting on the back of his head.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (KbCG3)

I used to have a very large chested gal that cut my hair, she would straddle my knee to cut part of it.

I think she knew what she was doing

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 14, 2024 03:03 PM (NtVYv)

186 175 When it comes to tax policy, the only person whose opinion I respect is Warren Buffett’s “secretary.” I am eagerly awaiting her return to the MSM talkshow circuit to explain how she pays a higher tax rate than her boss, and therefore any middle-class tax cut is bad for the economy. Now she can also explain why this tax cut would be terrible if Trump did it but good if Harris did it.
Posted by: Johnny Anditmightbeasin
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Buffet is prepping for a recession. He is in a selling, not buying mood and has even done minimal stock buybacks this year for Berkshire Hathaway. Sold billions in Apple stock alone this year and is putting the money into treasuries and cash.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:03 PM (7nYLv)

187 And if that's the way it is, without tips, then the service industry is irretrievably broken, and we should all go back to killing and cooking our own food.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (dGCAG)

Let me move to the country first. Then I'll be OK with this.

However, the system is broken because the youth is getting lazier and lazier and refuses to work for their money.

Tipping has been fine for GENERATIONS. Only now is it an issue. And no one cared until Trump mentioned not taxing it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:03 PM (Zz0t1)

188 Get a lot of shit service where there are tips too. Too many workers just expect big tips but don't want to do anything for it. I hate the tipping system.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade
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The service industries including law, accounting, etc. are filled with mediocre people demanding payment beyond their marginal benefit to the payee. So, do we apply sales taxes on those services?

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I think more people than not earn their tips ... at places where tips are their earnings. I don't run into a lot of bad servers. But I also don't typically frequent places that would hire bad servers.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:03 PM (sX1BW)

189 >Biden, just now at the WH in front of reporters:
"My policies are working. Just write it that way. OK?"
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The White House telling the press how to cover the White House

and the press will comply

The Founders roll in their graves

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 03:03 PM (/7KEl)

190 >>>If you think a millennial will treat you the same if they're making $20 an hr, vs. having to bust ass for 20% of your bill, you're wrong. They will not.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
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Millennials are being bypassed in the job market today. That trend will continue.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 14, 2024 03:04 PM (lCWOD)

191 Lettuce! Cucumber! Dollars! Uh....

Posted by: Joe Biden's Teleprompter at August 14, 2024 03:04 PM (qJKdE)

192
I hate those statements like "If you're not willing to tip 20%, stay home." OK, what's 20% of $0.00?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2024 03:04 PM (1Nxff)

193 A grown man should never let a woman cut his hair.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2024

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There was a shop in the Birmingham suburbs in '21 that specialized in attractive ladies as the stylists. Mine, a cute brunette, did a good job cutting my hair, and I was pleased to leave her a good-sized tip in cash.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2024 03:04 PM (J2vNu)

194 I used to have a very large chested gal that cut my hair, she would straddle my knee to cut part of it.

I think she knew what she was doing
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway

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Same as cleavage.

If you're seeing it, it's because you're supposed to see it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:04 PM (5UOWV)

195 whig, some states don't count tips against minimum wage, Oregon and Washington for example.
On the other hand there is an issue with some owners stealing it, Chinese restaurants are notorious for this, and in general if the tip is paid by credit card with the meal, the employer often will take the card service fee out of the tip, in Oregon this is legal. at least it was 10 years ago.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:04 PM (D7oie)

196 161 The attractive woman doing my hair also rests her boobs on the back of my neck and occasionally in my face.

I don't see this as any sort of downside.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 02:54 PM (Q4IgG)

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She has to get that close to cut your hair? Does she have TRex arms?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (2UnvF)

20 years ago I was visiting my father in law in Florida. I needed a haircut so he got a seat with his barber "who was the best". Yep. Giant rack that she constantly rubbed against the back of my neck and bomped them on my cheeks. Yes the top was low cut.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at August 14, 2024 03:05 PM (E3uaZ)

197 Don't hate the player, hate the game.

If they're gonna do handouts to win converts, then we have to as well.

If splitting a paycheck with the government was really some kind of wake up call, then the vast majority of workers would already be Republicans.

There is no rising above the dirtiest scum on the planet. Trump is trying to rebuild and remake two parties. Americans vs Communists. He likely would have done it by now had the filthy Republicans not screwed him over at every turn.

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 03:05 PM (JrF6z)

198 I really don't want to negotiate with their employees, and have them deciding whether they're going to spit in my food or not, based on whether they think I'm a big tipper or not.
Posted by: BurtTC
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A *huge* post-COVID problem now that the Overton window has shifted expectations to tipping when you order and not after service.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 02:59 PM (5UOWV)

Yep. Takes the guess work out of the equation for the spitter.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:05 PM (dGCAG)

199 Question: At places like Starbucks where you can tip at the end on CC. How are those tips accounted for? Do they go on the Starbucks ledger as general revenue to the company? Because those aren't employees who can make below minimum wage (my understanding).

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:05 PM (sX1BW)

200 cigarette taxes
consider: a product that sickens and kills people, but is legal, because it is such a cash cow for the State
Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (/7KEl)

And it creates an entire organized crime ring smuggling cigarettes into states with such taxes and dilutes policing.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 14, 2024 03:06 PM (n7h9X)

201 Same as cleavage.

If you're seeing it, it's because you're supposed to see it.
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Like little piglets snuggling.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 14, 2024 03:06 PM (FmapG)

202 Spoken like a guy who has never had a boob resting on the back of his head.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 14, 2024 02:48 PM (KbCG3)

My poor husband always got the belly. He'd come home all skeeved out. "I got the one with the belly again. Ma'am please, no." Lol.

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 14, 2024 03:06 PM (JCLJi)

203 Same as cleavage.

If you're seeing it, it's because you're supposed to see it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:04 PM (5UOWV)

And I expect with the cute Japanese dentist who didn't manage to keep that glittery chrome hypodermic under my chin where it was out of my sight-line she also wanted me to see it.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:06 PM (D7oie)

204 Boy. Wait until those whose tips are taxed find out who cast the deciding vote in the Senate for it!

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2024 03:06 PM (xhfG9)

205 I doubt your busty stylist is doing it own purpose. The reality of big tits is that they are always in the way.

Posted by: And by always in the way, I mean gloriously present at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (acykC)

206 And it creates an entire organized crime ring smuggling cigarettes into states with such taxes and dilutes policing.
Posted by: Oldcat

And this is why Eric Garner is dead.

/s

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (CIS44)

207 I only tip my hairdresser and my waitstaff if I have been waited on. That means take my order, being my food, keep my drink refreshed, bring my bill and be at least somewhat pleasant.

If you hand me something across the counter, blow it out your ass.

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (SKEa+)

208 And I'd love to know the political affiliations of these workers we are proposing to give a tax windfall. My guess? The majority ain't Republicans!
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq
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And a lot of people in big Finance on Wall Street are also Democrats but the GOPe has never had a problem handing them nor Hollyweird types tax cuts.

Simply put, there are more people out there with incomes below 150k than above. So as a voting tactic, Trump will gain a lot more votes with that tactic than promising high earners (now trending Democrat btw) a tax cut.

I noticed you ignored my question about deductions. My guess is that you deduct every damn thing you can but regard that as fair while bemoaning that the little people might get an unfair tax advantage that you can't get.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (7nYLv)

209 Serious question: what is the justification for not taxing tips? Tips are income like any other income. In the case of hospitality workers, it's usually the largest part of their income. So why shouldn't they have to pay taxes on it? I pay taxes on all my income. No free rides for me. Why should they get a free ride?
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Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

Does the IRS accuse you of lying about your income if it isn't what they think you made, and require you to pay taxes on *their* number?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 14, 2024 02:56 PM (FnneF)
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Actually, yes. It's not about my income, but my deductions. If the IRS disagrees with my deductions -- or any tax treatment of any penny on my return -- they audit me and impose huge fines and penalties. So again: why should any class of worker -- no matter how hard-working or nice they are -- get a tax windfall when I'm getting forked in the ass (and I suspect most of us are too).

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (iFTx/)

210 176 Too bad Biden already ran as Trump.

Tough talking, hard nosed, tell it like it is, etc etc
Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (JrF6z)
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Make -> Build
America -> ...
Great -> Better
Again -> Back

It's interesting when you see *what* part was left out!
Posted by: Axeman at

Build Back Better was mine. I should sue. 😂. When I started competing again as an adult, and after a pretty scary fall, my instructor told me he was going to build me back, as a joke. I said “build it back, but better”. He loved this and began using it (build back better) for everything, to include his campaign slogan many moons later when he ran for office in MD. Biden liked it, stole it from him and told him not to use it any more. Like a good dem, he stopped. He also won his campaign.

I should be more famous than I am.

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (QzINz)

211
My poor husband always got the belly. He'd come home all skeeved out. "I got the one with the belly again. Ma'am please, no." Lol.
Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question

That's why you make an appt

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (CIS44)

212 A grown man should never let a woman cut his hair.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2024
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I bet youh gay.

Posted by: Sir Galahad at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (OaZlZ)

213
Some were Canadian or black - two groups that generally don't tip at all or don't leave a tip commensurate with the total of the bill.

I've never heard that about Canadians.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (63Dwl)

214 Oh, KFC canada.

I'm ordering at the counter, being overcharged for food. I'm rung through and the credit card machine asks how much I want to tip!

What the hell?

Posted by: Stateless at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (jvJvP)

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I'm expecting any day now to -- while withdrawing cash from the ATM -- to be asked how much I'd like to tip the machine.

On that subject, I feel naked without a couple hundred dollars at least on me. Last week forgot my wallet for work, and had no money to get gas for my car. Had to ask some co-workers if I could borrow $20 -- and was surprised that the first couple proudly declared that they never carry cash.

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (arr7x)

215 You think this would make them mad….
Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 02:55 PM (QzINz)

They're every bit as mad as when they were "fooled" by Joe Biden.

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (JrF6z)
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"Yeah, we totally did not know he was whacked out! Why didn't they tell us?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (mxvMh)

216 somebody post the Seinfeld cleavage clip

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (/7KEl)

217 I don't have to do a good job at my job either. I can half-ass it. I can be surly too. So what portion of my salary is a gift for being nice?

It depends on what portion of your salary is both directly public-facing, involves individuals, and is generally invisible to your paycheck-paying employer.

Employers can give tips, too, for good service. But they call them bonuses. Not common, but it does happen. No Taxes on Bonuses would generalize NTOT to include that.

That said, I do go back and forth on tips. I would rather the employer handle rewarding employees who do a good job. But will they? Especially in traditional tip-based professions like sit-down restaurants?

Further, once businesses start automatically adding tips to the bill in any way, that is paycheck, not tips. The more tips become automatic, the less useful they are at attracting the kind of person who provides good service in tip-based professions.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (EXyHK)

218 Social Security should not be taxed unless you are not a citizen, in which case you should be taxed for income, SS tax and Medicare tax.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (wBaIH)

219 Trump's better idea ... and the two should go hand in hand ... is to make meals fully deductible again.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (sX1BW)

220 My dental assistant leans on me constantly and she is almost model beautiful. I find myself conflicted and gross. In other words Tuesday.

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 03:09 PM (JrF6z)

221 >>>
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I don't have to do a good job at my job either. I can half-ass it. I can be surly too. So what portion of my salary is a gift for being nice?
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 02:52 PM (iFTx/)

At most jobs half-assers are ok *if* they can suck up to the boss or the boss' boss. At a tip job your pissed off customers can down-vote you with their wallets.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 14, 2024 03:09 PM (FnneF)

222 You just might be able to see a difference in how they attacked the proposal when Trump proposed it, as compared to how they praised it when Kamala Harris stole someone else's homework to get by.
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Will Harris "fight" to end tax on tips as hard as she fought to pass the "Inflation Reduction Act" that specifically tasked the Treasury Department to increase revenue by cracking down on tips and gratuities reporting?

Posted by: mrp at August 14, 2024 03:09 PM (rj6Yv)

223 Nurse I got a cute video fro ya at 118

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 03:09 PM (CIS44)

224 The dirty little secret is, the lower middle class already pays almost no income taxes anyway.

It's basically the payroll tax for Social Security, so I'm sure now I'll be paying a higher tax for that to make up the shortfall.

And those people already get way more SS than they have actually put in.

Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 03:10 PM (4pwAx)

225 220 My dental assistant leans on me constantly and she is almost model beautiful. I find myself conflicted and gross. In other words Tuesday.
Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 03:09 PM (JrF6z)

She's sticking sharp metal implements in your mouth.

I can see the confliction.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2024 03:10 PM (xhfG9)

226 Same as cleavage.

If you're seeing it, it's because you're supposed to see it.
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Like little piglets snuggling.
Posted by: Pudinhead at August 14, 2024 03:06 PM (FmapG)

You just merged tits and bacon.........OMG.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:10 PM (Zz0t1)

227 223 Nurse I got a cute video fro ya at 118
Posted by: BruceWayne

*scurries off*

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified weirdo at August 14, 2024 03:10 PM (SKEa+)

228 You know what else should be tax free ... commissions.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (sX1BW)

229 Boy. Wait until those whose tips are taxed find out who cast the deciding vote in the Senate for it!
Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2024 03:06 PM (xhfG9)

The same person who gave the go order on taking a shot at Trump!

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (dGCAG)

230 First time I went to the salon, in high school, was when the MILF named Melissa cut my hair. Jugs on shoulders, the whole bit.

My old man laughed a couple months later. "If thats all I knew it took to keep you in a haircut - I would have paid it myself years ago".

Posted by: People Suck at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (jvE7q)

231 I've considered "tipping" someone even when the service or job didn't require it. Depending on the circumstances of the job.

Say a contractor does some work for you. They're on time, speedy, professional and cut you some slack for not being and uptight piece of shit and complaining about everything.

I'd be more inclined to tip that person than the wait staff that can barely get my order right and has to be hunted down to get my beverage refilled.

Pay with commensurate service. Just because the wait staff is 20 deep doesn't mean that each person has the same attention to detail and professionalism. If Sally keeps flaking out she should be fired or make significantly less than the prevailing wage.

Instead we treat this sort of shit like communism where everyone gets an equal result.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (Q4IgG)

232 The current deficit is $1.27 trillion.

Not taxing enough isn't the problem. No one wants to actually address the problem. So, the problem persists.

Starving the beast failed. I'm find with the people keeping more of their money despite that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (GBKbO)

233 Will Harris "fight" to end tax on tips as hard as she fought to pass the "Inflation Reduction Act" that specifically tasked the Treasury Department to increase revenue by cracking down on tips and gratuities reporting?
Posted by: mrp at August 14, 2024 03:09 PM (rj6Yv)

She's gonna fight hard on it as the Dems fight to forgive student loans and the Repubs fought to repeal Obamacare.

Posted by: The Struggle Continues at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (acykC)

234 I would have to alternate buns if I half-assed my desk job.

Sitting on two gets uncomfortable as it is.

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (OaZlZ)

235 was surprised that the first couple proudly declared that they never carry cash.
Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (arr7x)

That's my go to answer for whenever some scruffy person comes up and asks me for money.

Oh. No offense.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (xhfG9)

236 If you hand me something across the counter, blow it out your ass.

Phrasing?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (7g8Sn)

237 Lets pretend it's President Harris (shudder) and she won Nevada. Exit polls show she won a large majority of people that work for tips.

Do you still think hospitality should pay zero taxes on tips?

Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (4pwAx)

238 Social Security should not be taxed unless you are not a citizen, in which case you should be taxed for income, SS tax and Medicare tax.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (wBaIH)

Or... how's about non-citizens don't get SS/Medicare.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (dGCAG)

239 Assuming the proposal goes through, and the feds "lose" $25 billion a year, that'll tick the deficit up...2%.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (GBKbO)

240 Trump may be nasty and call people a lot of names.

But Vance is some weird couch-fucker!
Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 02:34 PM (krQz2)

**sigh** I'm feeling left out.

Posted by: The toaster at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (iODuv)

241 Will Harris "fight" to end tax on tips as hard as she fought to pass the "Inflation Reduction Act" that specifically tasked the Treasury Department to increase revenue by cracking down on tips and gratuities reporting?
Posted by: mrp at August 14, 2024 03:09 PM (rj6Yv)
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My prediction is January 2025, it's "Oh, you were serious about that No Tax On Tips thing?"

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (OaZlZ)

242 Kumallah WAS THE DECIDING VOTE TO HAVE THE IRS GO AFTER TIPS.

I'm sure the media will be reporting on that.... NO you say.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (17s+e)

243 One of the horrible points they made during the chemo class is now I HAVE TO CLEAN THE CAT BOX...........

You have no idea what torture that is for me......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (Zz0t1)

244 241 My prediction is January 2025, it's "Oh, you were serious about that No Tax On Tips thing?"
Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (OaZlZ)

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"The tax on tips was actually increased in the must-spend omnibus that no one read, was 7,000 pages long, and we forgot we ever made the promise anyway."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 14, 2024 03:14 PM (GBKbO)

245 She's sticking sharp metal implements in your mouth.

I can see the confliction.
Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2024 03:10 PM (xhfG9)

Assistant not hygienist. So gentle, so.....

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 03:14 PM (JrF6z)

246 Jugs on shoulders, the whole bit.

My old dentist's wife.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 03:14 PM (7g8Sn)

247 I always write a zero…

I always write TABLE. I suppose that opens means there was definitely a tip for that receipt come tax time, but my assumption is that taxes assume there’s always a tip anyway.

I hate those statements like "If you're not willing to tip 20%, stay home." OK, what's 20% of $0.00?

Assuming that it’s a tip-based joint, I am always tilling to tip 20%. That doesn’t mean I always do.

I probably do, most of the time. At this point in my life I tend to frequent places I know provide great service.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2024 03:15 PM (EXyHK)

248 108 Surly servers are gonna pea in your soup.

and then split?
Posted by: anachronda

And hock in your soup.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at August 14, 2024 03:15 PM (w9Wax)

249 Its a wonder we didn't pass a no tax on nursing wages considering the sacrifices they made during covid.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:15 PM (sX1BW)

250 was surprised that the first couple proudly declared that they never carry cash.
Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (arr7x

I never carry cash. I use my debit card.

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:15 PM (QzINz)

251 I should be more famous than I am.

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (QzINz)

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Great story. IIANM, that slogan "Build Back Better" is being used by the European GloboHomo "Great Reset" crowd including the WEF and other European commie leaders.

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:15 PM (arr7x)

252 I've never heard that about Canadians.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (63Dwl)

I know. I mean, who would think they'd be stiffed if a table of 4 Canucks ordered prime rib with drinks, separate tickets and then tipped $5 each?

Posted by: mrp at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (rj6Yv)

253 You know what else should be tax free ... commissions.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (sX1BW)

You misspelled "all income."

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (dGCAG)

254 If we don't tax those fat cats collecting tips how are we going to pay for the war in Ukraine? They'll just spend it on luxuries, like food.

Posted by: Minuteman at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (LaNzR)

255 Republicans need to hammer Democrats on this.

When Income Tax was passed it started at 2 percent. Incomes equivalent to 500,000 today.

Today? Rates start at 15 percent. On incomes of 35,000

What kind of bullshit is that? Leftists talk about “stick it to the rich”, somehow that never happens, and it’s the poor and middle class getting stuck.

They don’t pass budgets and “money” is something they conjure up out of thin air. It’s predicated on a world that died a long time ago.

Governments need revenue, and that’s what Tariffs are for. Excise taxes. Leave working people alone.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (85/ro)

256 was surprised that the first couple proudly declared that they never carry cash.
Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (arr7x)

That's my go to answer for whenever some scruffy person comes up and asks me for money.

Oh. No offense.
Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2024

***
In a suburban parking lot this past Sunday, a Mexican-looking woman (and I'm being gracious here) tried to head me off as I walked toward the Dollar Tree. "You got any money?"

Me, very simply: "No."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (J2vNu)

257 Sit down with Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer TODAY and work up the proposed legislation; dare the GOP in Congress to oppose it.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (GD2xa)

258 I probably do, most of the time. At this point in my life I tend to frequent places I know provide great service.

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Ding ding ding.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (sX1BW)

259 *that slogan WAS being used (before Biden) ..

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (arr7x)

260 195 whig, some states don't count tips against minimum wage, Oregon and Washington for example.
On the other hand there is an issue with some owners stealing it, Chinese restaurants are notorious for this, and in general if the tip is paid by credit card with the meal, the employer often will take the card service fee out of the tip, in Oregon this is legal. at least it was 10 years ago.
Posted by: Kindltot
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That is more a side issue involving state law and easy enough in Oregon to get a popular initiative passed to end the practice.

I have the economist side of training in public finance to recognize ideal taxes etc. but the practical knowledge of politics to know that is never going to happen and if by some accident it did, people would be working day and night to get out from under those taxes either via politics or via cheating.

The principle I felt was debated here is whether or not eliminating taxes on tips is 'fair' to other groups. I have shown that the tax system itself is 'unfair' and based on political power exercised, not as ideals.

So taxation is political and should be viewed as such.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (7nYLv)

261 Surly servers are gonna pea in your soup.

and then split?
Posted by: anachronda

And hock in your soup.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at August 14, 2024 03:15 PM (w9Wax)
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No beans.

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (OaZlZ)

262 Walz offering a "new kind of masculinity" is creepily like the Nazi party "New German Man".

Sick fucks.

Posted by: ... at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (JrF6z)

263 I think you should pay taxes on what you spend, not what you earn.

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (W2Pud)

264 Why wouldn't people who earn tips pay income tax? This is stupid. Just abolish the whole income tax

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (PZ42z)

265 Walz is offering Sharia law.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (7PziG)

266
Me, very simply: "No."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (J2vNu)

Old bruvva in a wheelchair rolled up to the wife and I outside a restaurant last week and asked for a dollar.

"I don't carry cash, man."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)

267 Serious question: what is the justification for not taxing tips?

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To buy votes.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:18 PM (sX1BW)

268 You know what else should be tax free ... commissions.

Commissions are (unless they’ve changed since I worked at a Radio Shack) an automatic calculation. The customer can’t get out of paying it. It’s part of the paycheck, not anything like a tip or even an end-of-year bonus.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2024 03:18 PM (EXyHK)

269 https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1823759305415245953

"NEW - Trump reportedly in talks to fire campaign managers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles — DailyMail"

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at August 14, 2024 03:18 PM (V6W16)

270 Governments need revenue, and that’s what Tariffs are for. Excise taxes. Leave working people alone.
Posted by: Common Tater

Russell Long, long time chair of the Senate Finance Cmte as a Dem from La, had a little ditty--"Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that feller behind the tree."

That pretty much sums up the political debate on taxes.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:18 PM (7nYLv)

271 Social Security should not be taxed unless you are not a citizen, in which case you should be taxed for income, SS tax and Medicare tax.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 14, 2024
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Or... how's about non-citizens don't get SS/Medicare.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024

***
Tax 'em for those things, don't award the game-show prizes to them, and then toss them out of the country. Permanently.

How to do this, I leave as an exercise for the student.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2024 03:19 PM (J2vNu)

272 So taxation is political and should be viewed as such.

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Has always been that way.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:19 PM (sX1BW)

273 "NEW - Trump reportedly in talks to fire campaign managers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles — DailyMail"
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at August 14, 2024 03:18 PM (V6W16)

I trust NOTHING that comes out of the media about Trump. Until he says it, it's bullshit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:19 PM (Zz0t1)

274 shills

you've hearad the latest, right, that the "cooling" (fake) inflation numbers will allow the Fed to cut rates ! in September! right before the election! did you guys notice the cooling inflation??

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2024 03:19 PM (V13WU)

275 I think that's an effect of the tipping tradition, not that tipping is the cause.

And if that's the way it is, without tips, then the service industry is irretrievably broken, and we should all go back to killing and cooking our own food.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:00 PM (dGCAG)

I used to agree with tipping when most everyone stuck to 15% and customers were willing to reduce that tip if they received poor service. Somehow we've reached the point where retards tip >25% and some of those service folk just expect that which is just getting insane.

Our culture has gotten so corrupted that people can't even be expected to take pride in their work and be polite and friendly by default without stuffing their pockets with bribes.

Posted by: Sjg at August 14, 2024 03:19 PM (aqZN1)

276 AND you should pay a HEFTY tax on second homes, third vehicles, luxury boats, RVs, private airplanes, etc.

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (W2Pud)

277 the inflation is COOLING. so STFU , peons.

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (V13WU)

278 Actually, yes. It's not about my income, but my deductions. If the IRS disagrees with my deductions -- or any tax treatment of any penny on my return -- they audit me and impose huge fines and penalties. So again: why should any class of worker -- no matter how hard-working or nice they are -- get a tax windfall when I'm getting forked in the ass (and I suspect most of us are too).
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (iFTx/)

why did the prisoner share his bread to feed the birds that came to his barred window? They did no good to him, and sometimes crapped on his bedding.
Sometimes it is a balm to the soul to see a small fragment of freedom.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (D7oie)

279 Dem group filed a suit with the Fed Elections Commission saying that Trump and Musk broke Fed Law by having Musks interview on X.

They called it a blatant campaign contribution by a company.... well... then I guess Trump can sue CNN and MSNBC for their blatant campaign contributions.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (xaFKb)

280 Harris wants to "reduce population" AND keep the border open...so who does she plan to kill?

Posted by: enough BS at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (2NXcZ)

281 No biggie but it seems a hacker group has stolen every social security number in existence

Hey remember when the government said SS numbers would never be used for ID purposes?

lulz

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Trump-Ho And Triggerer of Seismographs With His World Class Farts at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (DBZuM)

282 FYI ain't nobody getting a tip from me for a carry out order either. You want 20% tip without actually doing any of the ordinary work? Gfy. And yes I worked in the restaurant industry for 7 years

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at August 14, 2024 03:21 PM (PZ42z)

283 "NEW - Trump reportedly in talks to fire campaign managers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles — DailyMail"

Obviously did not read the story. Sources are former Trump comms guy fired after 11 days (Scaramucci) and a minor Trump spokesperson that blames him for Jan 6. Both are never trumpers and unlikely to have any high level sources within the campaign.

They have the proven reliability of Madison Cornbread and Trump seizing the wheel of the Beast among other tall tales.

Pathetic assholes probably getting some cash to regurgitate and confirm political lies.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:21 PM (7nYLv)

284 the inflation is COOLING. so STFU , peons.
Posted by: runner at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (V13WU)

6500 degrees down to 6250 isn't really noticeable.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:21 PM (Zz0t1)

285 I've never heard that about Canadians.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (63Dwl

What's the difference between a Canadian and a canoe?

A canoe tips.....

Posted by: Stateless at August 14, 2024 03:21 PM (jvJvP)

286 Dem group filed a suit with the Fed Elections Commission saying that Trump and Musk broke Fed Law by having Musks interview on X.

They called it a blatant campaign contribution by a company.... well... then I guess Trump can sue CNN and MSNBC for their blatant campaign contributions.
Posted by: Romeo13

He's already offered the same to Kamala, she has every chance to accept

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 03:21 PM (CIS44)

287 Almost everyone in hospitality is a Democrat. From management, to owners, to workers.
Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 03:03 PM (4pwAx)

You must live in a really uncivilized part of the country.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (yLiuJ)

288 Harris wants to "reduce population" AND keep the border open...so who does she plan to kill?
Posted by: enough BS at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (2NXcZ)

Conservatives.

She picked Walz because he got his police force to shoot the public with paintballs during BLM riots to force them into their homes.

He should have NO PROBLEM getting them to use real bullets.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (Zz0t1)

289 My prediction is January 2025, it's "Oh, you were serious about that No Tax On Tips thing?"
Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:13 PM (OaZlZ)

That would be too insensitive. SOP is to make a big ballyhoo about including "No Tax" in an appropriations bill, then quietly stripping it out in committee later.

Posted by: mrp at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (rj6Yv)

290 286 Dem group filed a suit with the Fed Elections Commission saying that Trump and Musk broke Fed Law by having Musks interview on X.

They called it a blatant campaign contribution by a company.... well... then I guess Trump can sue CNN and MSNBC for their blatant campaign contributions.
Posted by: Romeo13

He's already offered the same to Kamala, she has every chance to accept
Posted by: BruceWayne

NOPE. Elon made the same offer to Kamala. She declined. That's not his problem.

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (W2Pud)

291 259 *that slogan WAS being used (before Biden) ..
Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance

The news stories might be out there still when Steaurt was asked to stop.

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (QzINz)

292 FYI ain't nobody getting a tip from me for a carry out order either. You want 20% tip without actually doing any of the ordinary work? Gfy. And yes I worked in the restaurant industry for 7 years

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I look at it a bit differently. I'm not saying it should be 20%, but it should be tipping for the service. If you frequent the same places, which I do, I want to make sure I get preferential service. Tipping ensures I do.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (sX1BW)

293 *that slogan WAS being used (before Biden) ..
Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:16 PM (arr7x)
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But it was so indicative of Biden's entire approach.

Donald Trump says he'll give you X, but I'll give you real X....

Donald Trump says he's going to do X, but I'll do better.

Even his most famous word-slur was talking about a "true international effort of pressure" in response to Trump saying he's going to get some countries to put pressure on some rogue nation.

Nearly all of Biden's campaign could be characterizes as "Ditto--but BETTER".

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (krQz2)

294 I think you should pay taxes on what you spend, not what you earn.
Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (W2Pud)

Ding Ding Ding!

The only right answer. Collect your winnings at the door*.

*Don't report your winnings to the IRS.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:23 PM (dGCAG)

295 Snack attack

Chocolate giant Mars inks $29B deal to acquire maker of Cheez-Its and Pringles
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Beware of undue influence, either sought or unsought, by the candy bar/cheese snack complex

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2024 03:23 PM (/7KEl)

296
Not taxing enough isn't the problem. No one wants to actually address the problem. So, the problem persists.

Starving the beast failed. I'm find with the people keeping more of their money despite that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I remember seeing Hakeem Jeffries on TV saying there will be NO spending cuts.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2024 03:23 PM (63Dwl)

297 The President who gets things done scared a lot of DC campers.

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:23 PM (krQz2)

298 Completely eliminate all income taxes and reduce Federal spending to (not by) $1 trillion.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (2fIO4)

299
I look at it a bit differently. I'm not saying it should be 20%, but it should be tipping for the service. If you frequent the same places, which I do, I want to make sure I get preferential service. Tipping ensures I do.
Posted by: SH (n

Yup, the places I frequent every stool at the bar can be filled, I never wait for a beer.

Posted by: BruceWayne at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (CIS44)

300 It's not about my income, but my deductions.
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Your deductions come from the same source--Congress which decided to grant them based on political pressures put on them by donors and those with political clout. Yet you believe this process is 'fair'.

No one claims that serving people paid in tips have much if any political power beyond their mere vote. So which is actually more 'fair' in distribution--deductions or being excluded.

Judge not lest you be judged.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (7nYLv)

301 Sooo for Harris to use Trumps no tax on tips their internal polling must show it a powerful issue pulling young Dem voters in Trumps direction.

Trump is a wise fellow indeed..

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (UoWhM)

302 There is no service involved with handing me an order in a bag. I don't top the bag boy at the grocery store either.
Often they don't even have to ring anything up, you already paid online.

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (PZ42z)

303 Kamala the Ugandan Giant > VP Kamala

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (2zMSF)

304 Outside the drive-up ATMs at my nearby bank on a Saturday morning about a month ago, two women and a couple of children were *camped* on the edge of the drive-up lane. They had a cooler and were drinking from soda cans. Every now and then the younger of the two would walk up to the car at the ATM and say something, then shrug and walk back. Clearly asking for money.

I was furious about something else, and had my window down as I at last rolled up to the machine. No doubt she heard me griping loudly and concluded, rightly, that it would be a waste of energy to walk over to me and get a growled "NO!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (J2vNu)

305 Tax 'em for those things, don't award the game-show prizes to them, and then toss them out of the country. Permanently.

How to do this, I leave as an exercise for the student.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2024 03:19 PM (J2vNu)

Yep, as long as we're going to tax income, and you are a non-citizen working here legally, your "benefit" is that we allow you to work here, legally.

You get no other benefits, and as soon as you stop paying in, you gotta go.

That's us being generous.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (dGCAG)

306 Nearly all of Biden's campaign could be characterizes as "Ditto--but BETTER".
Posted by: Axeman
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Biden's campaign was based on appealing to ballots, not people.

Hence the basement campaign was meant to appeal to those sweating minimum wage workers busily filling out ballots in Dem sweat shops.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:25 PM (7nYLv)

307 I've never heard that about Canadians.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2024 03:08 PM (63Dwl)

Quebeckers, most likely.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2024 03:25 PM (yLiuJ)

308 In general, my thought on what should be taxed and what should not be taxed tends to focus more on how intrusive enforcement is and how weird defining it is. Taxing tips is very intrusive, it pretty much literally means monitoring every transaction between all individuals. And what even is a tip? I’m pretty sure hidden away in the IRS archives is an argument that all gifts are tips just waiting for the right moment.

So I’m all for not taxing tips.

I’m sympathetic to the argument that there shouldn’t be an income tax at all (or even any taxes on individuals), and to the argument that tips are a bad idea. But as long as we have income taxes, and as long as we have tipping as a business model, I’m in favor of no taxes on tips.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2024 03:25 PM (EXyHK)

309 On my company card, I'm a pretty good tipper.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 14, 2024 03:26 PM (2fIO4)

310 Kamala the Ugandan Giant > VP Kamala
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (2zMSF)
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Albi the Racist Dragon > Kamala the Ugandan Giant > Kamala

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:26 PM (krQz2)

311 Did you know that there were undercover officers at the Butler shooting sight WHO WERE DRESSED ALMOST IDENTICALLY TO THE SHOOTER?

From The Blaze:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM9CApu0hjQ

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 14, 2024 03:26 PM (Da7Vv)

312 AND you should pay a HEFTY tax on second homes, third vehicles, luxury boats, RVs, private airplanes, etc.

People living in Seattle should pay extra. Because.

Posted by: People Suck at August 14, 2024 03:26 PM (jvE7q)

313 Suddenly Hunter Biden is pricing all his art at $0 with a big bold empty tip line

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at August 14, 2024 03:27 PM (PZ42z)

314 Yep, as long as we're going to tax income, and you are a non-citizen working here legally, your "benefit" is that we allow you to work here, legally.

You get no other benefits, and as soon as you stop paying in, you gotta go.

That's us being generous.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Also happens to coincide with the law---there is a public charge provision that requires either the sponsors for the immigrant or the immigrants themselves to pay for any public benefits received or be expelled.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:27 PM (7nYLv)

315 303 There is no service involved with handing me an order in a bag. I don't top the bag boy at the grocery store either.
Often they don't even have to ring anything up, you already paid online.
Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (PZ42z)

What kills me is a lot of the local take out places now ask if you want to give a tip when you pay...

Wait, I call, and have to pick up my own damn food, and you want a TIP?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2024 03:27 PM (xaFKb)

316 Taxing tips is very intrusive

But is it plant based?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 03:27 PM (7g8Sn)

317 Its a wonder we didn't pass a no tax on nursing wages considering the sacrifices they made during covid.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:15 PM (sX1BW)

My daughter was working as a CNA in a nursing home, and then as a tech/nurses' assistant in a hospital right after covid, and was making some serious bank. She was doing better than I was.

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 14, 2024 03:27 PM (JCLJi)

318 "Hazard pay" was no joke.

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 14, 2024 03:28 PM (JCLJi)

319 Sooo for Harris to use Trumps no tax on tips their internal polling must show it a powerful issue pulling young Dem voters in Trumps direction.

Trump is a wise fellow indeed..
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Check the demographic of who listened to the Musk interview.

And then the hysteria from the old media in denouncing it.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 14, 2024 03:28 PM (dHBPd)

320 234 I would have to alternate buns if I half-assed my desk job.

hot cross buns > alternate buns

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2024 03:28 PM (oY6Yp)

321 People living in Seattle should pay extra. Because.
Posted by: People Suck

why? Because I refuse to be bullied out of my city?

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at August 14, 2024 03:28 PM (W2Pud)

322 I don't top the bag boy at the grocery store either.

That would be ghey.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 03:28 PM (7g8Sn)

323 276 AND you should pay a HEFTY tax on second homes, third vehicles, luxury boats, RVs, private airplanes, etc.
Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at

What if your third and fourth vehicles are for your children? What if the second home is because one of you has a home office in Boston and you work there some of the time and at home, in say, Alabama, part of the time? What would a luxury boat be?

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:28 PM (QzINz)

324 You must live in a really uncivilized part of the country.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Montec back from last banning by all appearances. Take from that as you will.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:29 PM (7nYLv)

325 I hate those statements like "If you're not willing to tip 20%, stay home."

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20% is hilarious. I might see 20% service in 1 out of 25 visits to different restaurants.

At which point I tip more than 20%

But if you can't be bothered, you might see 10%. If you're really bad 5%. I don't even need a good personality. Just keep my glass full.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:29 PM (5UOWV)

326 Did you know that there were undercover officers at the Butler shooting sight WHO WERE DRESSED ALMOST IDENTICALLY TO THE SHOOTER?

From The Blaze:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM9CApu0hjQ
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 14, 2024 03:26 PM (Da7Vv)
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Didn't know that.

Doesn't surprise me too much, either.

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:29 PM (krQz2)

327 208 And I'd love to know the political affiliations of these workers we are proposing to give a tax windfall. My guess? The majority ain't Republicans!
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq

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I've known quite a few waiters, waitresses and bartenders who'd confide their loathing of their more outspoken Democrat customers because they were terrible tippers. These folks were generally quite liberal on lifestyle issues but, because they weren't insulated from the consequences of ruinous Dem economics, more conservative on the fiscal side. This was in the city, too, not out at Marge's Fish Camp.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 14, 2024 03:29 PM (wzAuc)

328 I look at it a bit differently. I'm not saying it should be 20%, but it should be tipping for the service. If you frequent the same places, which I do, I want to make sure I get preferential service. Tipping ensures I do.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (sX1BW)

This is me - if I am making an allergy order, I want someone to care - thus I tip.

Spouse and I hit the same Chinese restaurant in Indy for takeout this month for our family on vacation. I went 1st, explained my allergies, and tipped directly on the takeout order - no allergy issue at a new restaurant.

He went 4 days later, explained the allergies, and did NOT tip (which I yelled at him about). Guess who had a cross-contamination dairy allergy reaction within an hour that night (which required not 1, but 2 pills, to tamp down, which means it really wasn't careful).

Same food order both times...same care not taken...

Posted by: Nova Local at August 14, 2024 03:30 PM (exHjb)

329 Conservative policy should be making taxes flatter and fairer. Not showering special tax status because you want to win a state.

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Eh. That is never happening. I think the best case is you eventually make it so complicated, so unfair that maybe it forces you to start over. So end tax on tips. Then end tax on commissions. Then end tax on this ... maybe one day they will end taxes for me.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:30 PM (sX1BW)

330 I see the latest gas lighting by the media is 'Trump could lose Florida'!

Posted by: IC - #FJB at August 14, 2024 03:30 PM (YiKO5)

331 That would be too insensitive. SOP is to make a big ballyhoo about including "No Tax" in an appropriations bill, then quietly stripping it out in committee later.
Posted by: mrp at August 14, 2024 03:22 PM (rj6Yv)

I expect them to come up with a new IRS form, where people receiving tips as income will be required to declare it, then through some complicated formula, if they fill out the paperwork the right way, the government will let you deduct that amount from your income.

If you don't fill out the form, you WILL be expected to pay the tax, and in the end the government will have an increase in revenue from all the fines and penalties people who previously just never declared it.

70,000 new armed revenue agents will see to it.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:30 PM (dGCAG)

332 I would have to alternate buns if I half-assed my desk job.

Cue the man-bun jokes.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 03:30 PM (7g8Sn)

333 332 I see the latest gas lighting by the media is 'Trump could lose Florida'!

Posted by: IC - #FJB at August 14, 2024 03:30 PM (YiKO5)

Let the dems believe it. Let Kamala spend eleventy billion trying to win there.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 14, 2024 03:31 PM (KbCG3)

334 People living in Seattle should pay extra. Because.
Posted by: People Suck

why? Because I refuse to be bullied out of my city?
Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at August 14, 2024 03:28 PM (W2Pud)

Because I met your arbitrary list of shit that should be taxed extra - because people don't need - with a tax that hit you for the same reason.

Because nobody needs to live in Seattle.

Posted by: People Suck at August 14, 2024 03:31 PM (jvE7q)

335 "Hazard pay" was no joke.

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 14, 2024 03:28 PM (JCLJi)
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Gu-gu-gu-guck!

Posted by: Roscoe P. Coltrane at August 14, 2024 03:31 PM (krQz2)

336 Trump goes to Montana, which hasn't gone against the GOP for Prez since 1992, in order to help the downballot race.

Harris goes to Nevada, which hasn't gone against the Dems for Prez since 2004, in order to propose a policy first pitched by Trump.

Forget the polls. Ask yourself: Which campaign looks like they're winning and which one is trying to find a message that resonates?

Posted by: Shenanigans at August 14, 2024 03:31 PM (pZ0Mr)

337
There's a point to be made this day about Kammie having had an affirmative hand in J'Blowme's botched Afghan withdrawal.

Rich Zeoli, WPHT, AM 1210, has the audio clips.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2024 03:32 PM (S9Md5)

338 I see the latest gas lighting by the media is 'Trump could lose Florida'!

Posted by: IC - #FJB at August 14, 2024 03:30 PM (YiKO5)
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He's gonna lose that fooseball game!

Posted by: Axeman at August 14, 2024 03:32 PM (krQz2)

339 Dubya’s tax cuts took millions off the tax tolls. And he boasted about it. Those millions now happily vote for Democrats because they know they will never have to fund any of the shit Dems promise.
Posted by: RIP UK

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Yes, and this doubles down on it.

I believe even if you make $1, you should be taxed on it for this reason. We're now taking a group that already pays close to zero income taxes and giving them another tax dodge.

You think someone paying zero taxes gets upset about subsidizing ObamaCare? Why?

I dont want the government to have more money, I just want the citizen to ALWAYS be on the hook anytime the gov't spends money.

Are you upset when Sweden raises taxes? Probably not, because you dont pay them.

Posted by: Lacra at August 14, 2024 03:32 PM (4pwAx)

340 RIP James Arthur Harris, AKA Kamala the Ugandan Giant (Headhunter). 1950-2020

Posted by: Bobby the Brain Heenan at August 14, 2024 03:32 PM (CV8a5)

341 What if your third and fourth vehicles are for your children? What if the second home is because one of you has a home office in Boston and you work there some of the time and at home, in say, Alabama, part of the time? What would a luxury boat be?
Posted by: Piper

If the extra vehicles are "for your children" the titles should be in their names

If the second home is an "office" it is a business expense and should be listed as such.

A luxury boat is bigger than a bathtub

Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at August 14, 2024 03:32 PM (W2Pud)

342 Did you know that there were undercover officers at the Butler shooting sight WHO WERE DRESSED ALMOST IDENTICALLY TO THE SHOOTER?

From The Blaze:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM9CApu0hjQ

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Wow.

And no one knows who the plainclothes officers were working for.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:32 PM (5UOWV)

343 We paid a pretty significant tax on the purchase of our RV.

Is it a luxury item? Sure. Should I be punished mightily because my family is in a position to enjoy something we like to do?

........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:32 PM (Zz0t1)

344 Consumption taxes. Fuel, services, food, etc. Those states that don't have state income tax inflate those costs. Fuel and food especially.

Is it fair?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 03:33 PM (Q4IgG)

345 94
If Kamala ever had an original thought in her life, it would be a miracle.

She is so intellectually incurious, and a total fraud.

Kinda reminds you of another female candidate for President who couldn't even make a decision without taking a poll first, no?

Posted by: Kameltoe's special sauce chef at August 14, 2024 03:33 PM (rP7gy)

346 My advice is to avoid shitty places. Frequent good places, and frequent them often. Get to know the servers. If the service sucks, stop frequenting. Then you won't ever feel bad about tipping well. Life is too short to go to shitty restaurants with bad service.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:33 PM (sX1BW)

347 I've known quite a few waiters, waitresses and bartenders who'd confide their loathing of their more outspoken Democrat customers because they were terrible tippers. These folks were generally quite liberal on lifestyle issues but, because they weren't insulated from the consequences of ruinous Dem economics, more conservative on the fiscal side. This was in the city, too, not out at Marge's Fish Camp.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 14, 2024 03:29 PM (wzAuc)

Yeah, I don't think it's wise to start with an assumption that waiters are Democrat voters.

And... I know this sounds crazy, but bear with me... what if... what if Republicans started standing for conservative principles, and actually ENCOURAGED people like those who serve in the service industry, to vote for them.

I know, I know... you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:34 PM (dGCAG)

348 If you don't fill out the form, you WILL be expected to pay the tax, and in the end the government will have an increase in revenue from all the fines and penalties people who previously just never declared it.

70,000 new armed revenue agents will see to it.
Posted by: BurtTC
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IN an alternative universe, Bearded BurtTC is the hated kommisar of bizarro world IRS

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:34 PM (7nYLv)

349 Could always just walk in and get a booth in front despite line at Damiano's Mr pizza. When someone started to complain I told him "learn what 15% means".

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 03:35 PM (7g8Sn)

350 Harris is dumber than a bag of rocks. To actually steal a proposal from your opponent isn’t brilliant, it’s the height of hypocrisy. It screams I’m stupid and will say anything to get elected.

I can’t wait for this to come up at the debate- if Harris actually shows up.

Posted by: Vengeance at August 14, 2024 03:35 PM (q8rok)

351 Chocolate giant

Is that something like the Stay-Puft marshmallow man?

Posted by: spindrift at August 14, 2024 03:35 PM (OguvZ)

352 Is it a luxury item? Sure. Should I be punished mightily because my family is in a position to enjoy something we like to do?

yes, and definitely yes

Posted by: Leftists at August 14, 2024 03:35 PM (NGHTx)

353 "I believe even if you make $1, you should be taxed on it for this reason. We're now taking a group that already pays close to zero income taxes and giving them another tax dodge."

I'd go one farther. Even if you're on the dole you should be taxed on that. Yes it's stupid to pay taxes with other people's money, and it's mathematically stupid. But have a line item subtracting out of that "pay" in ink and a whole lot more people would care about taxes and govt waste

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at August 14, 2024 03:35 PM (PZ42z)

354 Seems CBD's call with customer service this morning yielded no results.

Cutjibnewsletter is still down.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:35 PM (Zz0t1)

355 And the Republicans all support it!

She's such a uniter! Not like that evil orangemanbad

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2024 03:35 PM (JMAcK)

356 My advice is to avoid shitty places. Frequent good places, and frequent them often. Get to know the servers. If the service sucks, stop frequenting. Then you won't ever feel bad about tipping well. Life is too short to go to shitty restaurants with bad service.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:33 PM (sX1BW)

This. I like going to my regular places. I am a good tipper and the people go out of their way to help us. I consider them friends. I will not tolerate drama when I go out to eat.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 14, 2024 03:36 PM (NtVYv)

357 Trump needs to tell Harris Ok dummy I'll see your no tax on tips and raise you a VAT... Touche!!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at August 14, 2024 03:36 PM (UoWhM)

358 The downside to the no tax on tips idea is it will encourage more credit card only use.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:36 PM (sX1BW)

359 The principle I felt was debated here is whether or not eliminating taxes on tips is 'fair' to other groups. I have shown that the tax system itself is 'unfair' and based on political power exercised, not as ideals.

So taxation is political and should be viewed as such.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (7nYLv)

since when are we stuck debating a single element? tips are considered income, but not wages in Oregon.
Personally I consider taxes to be theft, and theft by threat of violence, any reduction of any tax is a glimmer of freedom.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:36 PM (D7oie)

360 >>>
Actually, yes. It's not about my income, but my deductions. If the IRS disagrees with my deductions -- or any tax treatment of any penny on my return -- they audit me and impose huge fines and penalties. So again: why should any class of worker -- no matter how hard-working or nice they are -- get a tax windfall when I'm getting forked in the ass (and I suspect most of us are too).
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (iFTx/)

I don't think the math works out to make those equivalent. (And maybe a tangent, but I'm curious why you're still taking deductions vs using the set amount...)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 14, 2024 03:36 PM (FnneF)

361 Should I be punished mightily because my family is in a position to enjoy something we like to do?

Yes.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (7g8Sn)

362 I'd go one farther. Even if you're on the dole you should be taxed on that. Yes it's stupid to pay taxes with other people's money, and it's mathematically stupid. But have a line item subtracting out of that "pay" in ink and a whole lot more people would care about taxes and govt waste

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo

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I'm the same. No deductions. Write a check every year.

I'm non-monetary welfare curious on the topic, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (5UOWV)

363 In order to deprive the State Leviathan of nourishment at any opportunity I'm all for lowering or eliminating taxes on anybody any time for any thing.

Except politicians, bureaucrats and government contractors... they should all get a 100% rate.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (6ydKt)

364 I hate those statements like "If you're not willing to tip 20%, stay home." OK, what's 20% of $0.00?
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I'm old enough to remember when tips were conventionally 10%. Then 15%. Now 20%. WTF?

It reminds of university overheads on grants, which used to get jacked up periodically. I bitched to the bureaucrats in the administration, who attributed the increase to inflation. Yeah, I said, but the grant also increased with inflation (salaries for postdocs, reagents, glassware, etc.) so you're taking a higher percentage of a larger number.

Got nowhere with that obviously correct analysis.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (mxvMh)

365 Besides the no tax on tips, has Kamala rolled out any other policy?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (YiKO5)

366 "Nova Local", ah named for the Indy mag then? I worked at pf Chang's in keystone when it opened as well as the American bandstand grill that no longer exists

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (PZ42z)

367 361 The downside to the no tax on tips idea is it will encourage more credit card only use.
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Meh, how many Americans carry that much cash on them these days? They carry plastic.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (FmapG)

368 If you don't fill out the form, you WILL be expected to pay the tax, and in the end the government will have an increase in revenue from all the fines and penalties people who previously just never declared it.

70,000 new armed revenue agents will see to it.
Posted by: BurtTC
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IN an alternative universe, Bearded BurtTC is the hated kommisar of bizarro world IRS
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:34 PM (7nYLv)

Worst of all, he Just For Mens his beard.

Refuses to let himself go gray naturally.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (dGCAG)

369 Doesn't surprise me too much, either.

Its part of the reason that it took the counter snipers so long to engage, they had to make sure they had the shooter and not an undercover.

When I say dressed like him, I mean almost identically; cargo shorts, gray R&R style T-shirt.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (Da7Vv)

370 Walz is offering Sharia law.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at August 14, 2024 03:17 PM (7PziG)

If he offers Sharia compliant banking he will wind up burned at the stake by the banks.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (D7oie)

371 353 Harris is dumber than a bag of rocks. To actually steal a proposal from your opponent isn’t brilliant, it’s the height of hypocrisy. It screams I’m stupid and will say anything to get elected.

Yes and your point is?
- The whole of the Democrat constituency...

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (UoWhM)

372 And... I know this sounds crazy, but bear with me... what if... what if Republicans started standing for conservative principles, and actually ENCOURAGED people like those who serve in the service industry, to vote for them.

I know, I know... you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
Posted by: BurtTC
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That is always the key. People like to be asked for their vote and to do that, you have to go to them. Campaign consultants always want ads/robocall/mailers done which don't have nearly the effect of an actual person asking them to consider voting for a candidate.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (7nYLv)

373 370 "Nova Local", ah named for the Indy mag then? I worked at pf Chang's in keystone when it opened as well as the American bandstand grill that no longer exists
Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (PZ42z)

Nope, named for my area

. It's why Indy was vacation (for the spouse - he always wanted to go to GENCON, so we finally did)...

Posted by: Nova Local at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (exHjb)

374 When she says tips, she knows it's talking about gratuity and not "just the tip", right?

Posted by: Ribbed at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (IHRQq)

375 Guy works at he grill at McDonald’s is paid hourly, pays tax. Other guy works the grill in a restaurant where his income is a share of tips. He pays no tax.

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Unless, I'm wrong, and I'm sure Whig will correct if I am, but both guys are required to be paid minimum wage.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (sX1BW)

376 Sometimes it is a balm to the soul to see a small fragment of freedom.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (D7oie)

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Well said, 'tot.

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 14, 2024 03:39 PM (kmDV4)

377 354 Chocolate giant

Is that something like the Stay-Puft marshmallow man?
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But mostly peaceful.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 14, 2024 03:39 PM (FmapG)

378 The downside to the no tax on tips idea is it will encourage more credit card only use.
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all part of the plan, taxpayer

Posted by: WEF at August 14, 2024 03:39 PM (NGHTx)

379 Chocolate giant

BBC, it's all over the internet.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 14, 2024 03:39 PM (7g8Sn)

380 Worst of all, he Just For Mens his beard.

Refuses to let himself go gray naturally.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Eeek. Egads! and Gadzooks!

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:39 PM (7nYLv)

381 Ace, it’s worth noting that Harris cast the vote to got after those receiving tips, and hire IRS agents to police those who don’t pay it. This is from last year.

“ The Service Industry Tip Compliance Agreement (SITCA) program, a voluntary tip reporting program between the IRS and employers in various service industries”

Posted by: Vengeance at August 14, 2024 03:39 PM (q8rok)

382 Meh, how many Americans carry that much cash on them these days? They carry plastic.

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A lot of good tippers carry cash. And it is simply that more and more places will go to a CC only, which I think is detrimental in the long run.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:39 PM (sX1BW)

383 364 Guy works at he grill at McDonald’s is paid hourly, pays tax. Other guy works the grill in a restaurant where his income is a share of tips. He pays no tax.

Explain to me how that’s fair to the McDonald’s guy.

Posted by: RIP UK at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (dt93y)

It wouldn't be fair, but that's McDonald's "No Tipping" policy, not the governments.

Both people would get taxed on paid wages.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at August 14, 2024 03:40 PM (6ydKt)

384 I'd go one farther. Even if you're on the dole you should be taxed on that. Yes it's stupid to pay taxes with other people's money, and it's mathematically stupid. But have a line item subtracting out of that "pay" in ink and a whole lot more people would care about taxes and govt waste

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo
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For that reason, I've recommended grossing up welfare payments, then taxing them back down to where they are now. Nothing like having that money in your hot little hand, and then having to part with it.

Plus, a lot of low income people don't have checking accounts, so they'd have to troop down to the IRS office and peel off a couple of hundred dollar bills. Voila! Instant tax hawks!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2024 03:40 PM (mxvMh)

385 When I say dressed like him, I mean almost identically; cargo shorts, gray R&R style T-shirt.
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What is an R&R style T-shirt?

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 14, 2024 03:40 PM (FmapG)

386 Besides the no tax on tips, has Kamala rolled out any other policy?
Posted by: IC - #FJB at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (YiKO5)
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No tax on prostitution income

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 03:40 PM (iFTx/)

387
Explain to me how that’s fair to the McDonald’s guy.
Posted by: RIP UK at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (dt93y)

And this is the crux of the problem.

Everyone is looking for everything to be 'fair.' Nothing is.

Life isn't fair. Get over it. McDonald's is low wage labor not intended for raising a family.

Waiting tables and bartending can, but requires more work, a good attitude and higer skills. It should make more money.

Of course, I waited tables for a time and it was one of the most rewarding jobs I'd had in my life. It taught me the meaning of hard work, got me out of my shell and brought out a personality that garnered me more money.

Consumption tax, FTW.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:40 PM (Zz0t1)

388 “ Kamala Harris’s first big policy idea is to steal Trump’s “no taxes on tips,” when she backed Democrats’ $80b for more IRS audits including on tip income. The Biden-Harris Admin also launched a novel new IRS crackdown on tips, getting the IRS inside the door at bars & restaurants”

Posted by: Vengeance at August 14, 2024 03:41 PM (q8rok)

389 Wow. From the video

As of August 2024 Kamala has not taken a single question from the press regarding her presence at the pipe bomb building.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:41 PM (5UOWV)

390 Explain to me how that’s fair to the McDonald’s guy.
Posted by: RIP UK

I think the point is that the grill-man is paid a higher wage than the server. And the server is/was expected to earn up through tips ... that were shared by the staff. Tht's the best I got.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2024 03:41 PM (IG4Id)

391 280 Harris wants to "reduce population" AND keep the border open...so who does she plan to kill?
Posted by: enough BS at August 14, 2024 03:20 PM (2NXcZ)

Oh you know....

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2024 03:41 PM (xhfG9)

392 What would a luxury boat be?
Posted by: Piper

$72,000.00 Ranger Bass Boat

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 14, 2024 03:41 PM (2KFCy)

393 Nobody under 40, maybe even 50 carries cash.

Posted by: RIP UK at August 14, 2024 03:39 PM (dt93y)
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And then there's a power outage - an increasingly common problem in California - and they do ... what, to buy anything?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (mxvMh)

394 I think the garter snakes are hatching in the back yard, my cat just brought in two, cutest little snakes.
fortunately he has a gentle mouth

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (D7oie)

395 Harris wants to "reduce population" AND keep the border open...so who does she plan to kill?
Posted by: enough BS

Oh you know....
Posted by: blaster

A whole lot of lefties by picking fights with armed Americans.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (2KFCy)

396 Elizabeth MacDonald
@LizMacDonaldFOX
Kamala Harris’s first big policy idea is to steal Trump’s “no taxes on tips,” when she backed Democrats’ $80b for more IRS audits including on tip income. The Biden-Harris Admin also launched a novel new IRS crackdown on tips, getting the IRS inside the door at bars & restaurants to directly monitor tips at the cash register, “at point-of-sale.” She also backed the $1.7T spending legislation expecting taxpayers to report their $600 phone app transactions to the IRS without she and the Senate reading the bill (later dropped as untenable).

Posted by: Vengeance at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (q8rok)

397 369 Besides the no tax on tips, has Kamala rolled out any other policy?
Posted by: IC - #FJB at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (YiKO5)

Well, suddenly a border Hawk, and said Israel has a right to defend itself... at the same time her VP pick is canoodling with Islamic 'Teachers'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (xaFKb)

398 For that reason, I've recommended grossing up welfare payments, then taxing them back down to where they are now. Nothing like having that money in your hot little hand, and then having to part with it.

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hahaha, calculate the sum total of cash-equivalent received in the form of Section 8, food stamps, etc. and then make mandatory tax deductions from the welfare payments at the appropriate percentage.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (5UOWV)

399 "Harris wants to "reduce population" AND keep the border open...so who does she plan to kill?"

Don't worry about it. Karen has a constitutional right ordained by God to drown her kids in the bathtub like Jesus would have.

Posted by: Ribbed at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (Ectld)

400 That is always the key. People like to be asked for their vote and to do that, you have to go to them. Campaign consultants always want ads/robocall/mailers done which don't have nearly the effect of an actual person asking them to consider voting for a candidate.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (7nYLv)

When I was in school Phyllis Schlafly came and debated some douchebag whose name I don't remember. I went in thinking this guy was going to crush her.

It didn't go that way.

Had a significant impact on me. I'm not sure I like how Shapiro and Milo do their campus gotcha games, but I know Crowder did his "change my mind" routines, by treating the students with respect, and asking them questions to help them see the truths they were not getting from their lousy perfessers.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (dGCAG)

401 >>> 229 Boy. Wait until those whose tips are taxed find out who cast the deciding vote in the Senate for it!
Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2024 03:06 PM (xhfG9)

The same person who gave the go order on taking a shot at Trump!
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:11 PM (dGCAG)

IT WAS ME! *I* ORDERED THE CODE ORANGE!! ME, ME, ME!!!!!

Posted by: DOCTOR Jill at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (FnneF)

402 Around the holidays (Christmas) my postman always leaves what he thinks are subtle hints that he deserves a tip. It annoys me that he didn't have the awareness to understand that taxes (taken from all of us) already over-pay him for his questionable service. I doubt he is the exception (in both beggary and questionable service).

Posted by: Orson at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (dIske)

403 $72,000.00 Ranger Bass Boat

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*fistbump*

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (5UOWV)

404 Unless, I'm wrong, and I'm sure Whig will correct if I am, but both guys are required to be paid minimum wage.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:38 PM (sX1BW)

Other than a couple of exceptions. Like WA state, workers who gets tips only get pro something $2.50 an hour and the rest is top income. So that $2.50 is taxed. The rest isn’t.

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My point, I don't think you can pay a cook below minimum wage. My understanding is tips are shared not because it is part of their earnings, but because waiters sort of need to to grease the skids. You get me food quick, we can all win with better tips.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (sX1BW)

405 If the extra vehicles are "for your children" the titles should be in their names

If the second home is an "office" it is a business expense and should be listed as such.

A luxury boat is bigger than a bathtub
Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic

My kid is 16. Not titling in her name. It’s a condo so he doesn’t have to live out of a hotel. You can’t write off an entire condo as a business expense, even if you own the business (which he doesn’t). Our boat is hardly luxury. For some reason we could manage every fishing tech toy under the sun, but could not manage a head. I understand it’s a great fishing boat. Yay. 😂.

I think it’s a solid idea to have sales tax be an equalizer. It’s when you start deciding what people can have or not have, it gets dicey. Arguably, by virtue of buying another car, we are already paying more under this system than someone with 1 car, or no boat. There is the disparate impact of a 10% sales tax hitting someone who makes $50k versus $250k that needs to be solved for, and maybe it does again by virtue of that lower income spending less. Just thinking out loud.

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (QzINz)

406 As Rush often would point out, taxation is designed to influence behavior, not raise revenue. Such is the no tax on tips proposal and the SS no tax. Please vote for me.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (yhzcQ)

407 The Bible covers wage parity. You contract for a certain wage for certain work and get paid what you agreed to, then it's fair. And what somebody else gets paid for the same or less work is none of your concern.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (pohLc)

408 I guess telling people little tidbits of common knowledge like "buy low, sell high" and "if something seems to be too good to be true, it's probably not" isn't considered "tipping" .... right?

I get a lot of funky looks when I do that.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (Q4IgG)

409 Besides the no tax on tips, has Kamala rolled out any other policy?

Yes, she's attacking the Biden administration as totally incompetent leftist hacks out to ruin the United States. The point of copying Trump seems to be lost on the assorted Brainiacs and Rocket Scientists in charge of the Kamala campaign.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (Da7Vv)

410 Around the holidays (Christmas) my postman always leaves what he thinks are subtle hints that he deserves a tip.

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Ha. Yes, I asked for those credit card solicitations and window-replacement ads. Thank you so much for your hard work bringing them to me.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (5UOWV)

411
Trump goes to Montana, which hasn't gone against the GOP for Prez since 1992, in order to help the downballot race.

Harris goes to Nevada, which hasn't gone against the Dems for Prez since 2004, in order to propose a policy first pitched by Trump.

Forget the polls. Ask yourself: Which campaign looks like they're winning and which one is trying to find a message that resonates?
Posted by: Shenanigans at August 14, 2024 03:31 PM (pZ0Mr)

Looks more like the Donks are getting REALLY nervous about turnout among their base more than voters switching parties.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (y9nCu)

412 Nood

Posted by: Thanatopsis at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (ZUxK6)

413 Unless, I'm wrong, and I'm sure Whig will correct if I am, but both guys are required to be paid minimum wage.
Posted by: SH

Pretty much. Gets complicated because state minimum wage laws coexist with federal minimum wage laws and the federal minimum wage law does not apply to all businesses . Here is the DOL summary of federal and state laws regarding tips.
https://tinyurl.com/cchp87ev. Federal rate is 2.13 per hour and federal law defines who is a service person and who is not. Grill types nor dishwashers generally are not considered serving people.

That is why McDonalds etc are trying out robots to do that function. Same for cashiers and other workers.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (7nYLv)

414
OMG
Then what are the 80,000 new IRS agents going to do?

Posted by: wth at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (v0R5T)

415 She works the tip, shaft, base, balls, taint...

Posted by: Willie Brown's brown willy at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (q1Zxb)

416
Consumption tax, FTW.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:40 PM

Righteous.

fist bump

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (bEb2S)

417 hahaha, calculate the sum total of cash-equivalent received in the form of Section 8, food stamps, etc. and then make mandatory tax deductions from the welfare payments at the appropriate percentage.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Male feminists exist because women can't do the job themselves at August 14, 2024 03:42 PM (5UOWV)

This is the way

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (NtVYv)

418 “ Andrew McCarthy: Prepare for Trump to be sentenced to prison on September 18
The objective here is to enable VP Kamala Harris and the media-Democratic complex to label Trump 'a convicted felon sentenced to prison' as voting begins”

https://tinyurl.com/34hcjpra

Posted by: Vengeance at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (q8rok)

419 Nobody under 40, maybe even 50 carries cash.

Yeah, there used to be businesses, even national and international chains (Aldi’s, for example), that explicitly refused to accept credit cards. It cost them money and time. Then COVID restrictions required them to take the hit and install credit card machines. They still accept credit cards today.

There are still some mom-and-pop places that only accept cash, but the number is a lot lower than it used to be.

I happened to overhear a clip from Larry Kudlow this morning claiming that Democrats hate business. Democrats don’t hate business. They hate us. They hate individuals. The only businesses they hate are ones run by individuals.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2024 03:45 PM (EXyHK)

420 Had a significant impact on me. I'm not sure I like how Shapiro and Milo do their campus gotcha games, but I know Crowder did his "change my mind" routines, by treating the students with respect, and asking them questions to help them see the truths they were not getting from their lousy perfessers.
Posted by: BurtTC

Kirk is doing that too and has a better voice for it. Crowder has a snotty vocal tone, not necessarily his fault, but he laid the ground out for that kind of thing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2024 03:45 PM (IG4Id)

421 I think it’s a solid idea to have sales tax be an equalizer. It’s when you start deciding what people can have or not have, it gets dicey.

Not at all. Somebody here has it all figured out.

Posted by: People Suck at August 14, 2024 03:45 PM (jvE7q)

422 You missed the point. These are two people doing the same job. One pays taxes the other doesn’t. Has nothing to do with hard work or anything else. It’s saying Person A pays taxes while Person B doesn’t pay taxes for performing the exact same job. And that’s bullshit.
Posted by: RIP UK at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (dt93y)

I don't know that cooks in restaurants tip share.

Also, cooking in a restaurant is WAY different than cooking in McDonald's.

Those are NOT doing the same work.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2024 03:45 PM (Zz0t1)

423 This an interesting time for tax policy. We know the state does not need us to pay taxes directly - there is no deficit so outrageous that the Fed won't accommodate it.

Posted by: Oglebay at August 14, 2024 03:45 PM (7fVdQ)

424 Actually, yes. It's not about my income, but my deductions. If the IRS disagrees with my deductions -- or any tax treatment of any penny on my return -- they audit me and impose huge fines and penalties. So again: why should any class of worker -- no matter how hard-working or nice they are -- get a tax windfall when I'm getting forked in the ass (and I suspect most of us are too).
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 03:07 PM (iFTx/)

I don't think the math works out to make those equivalent. (And maybe a tangent, but I'm curious why you're still taking deductions vs using the set amount...)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 14, 2024 03:36 PM (FnneF)
_________

My itemized deductions are higher than the standard deduction. I don't do my own taxes. An accountant does. I do know I have to limit the amount of deductions because above a certain limit, red flags go off. And you don't want to have an audit fight with the IRS even if you're in the right. So every year, I'm claiming less deductions that I'm actually entitled to.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 14, 2024 03:46 PM (iFTx/)

425 You missed the point. These are two people doing the same job. One pays taxes the other doesn’t. Has nothing to do with hard work or anything else. It’s saying Person A pays taxes while Person B doesn’t pay taxes for performing the exact same job. And that’s bullshit.
Posted by: RIP UK at August 14, 2024 03:44 PM (dt93y)

Then the fry cook quits his job, and hires on as a waiter someplace else. Problem solved.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2024 03:46 PM (yLiuJ)

426 WAGE AND HOUR DIVISION
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR

Fact Sheet #15: Tipped Employees Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)

Under the FLSA, a tipped employee is an employee engaged in an occupation in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. This Fact Sheet provides general information concerning the application of the FLSA to tipped employees, whether an employer pays the full minimum wage or takes a credit against the tips earned by the employee towards its minimum wage obligations.

Typical problems:
Minimum Wage Problems
Overtime Problems
Tip Pooling Problems

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Tax system is entirely too complicated. Streamline it & then there will also need to be far less federal and state tax agents, managers.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at August 14, 2024 03:46 PM (NFX2v)

427 You missed the point. These are two people doing the same job. One pays taxes the other doesn’t. Has nothing to do with hard work or anything else. It’s saying Person A pays taxes while Person B doesn’t pay taxes for performing the exact same job. And that’s bullshit.

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Frankly, you have convinced me we shouldn't tax fast food workers either. The real beneficiaries of such a proposal wouldn't be the workers, but the franchises that would have less withholding and reporting to do.

Oh, who am I kidding, they would probably have more reporting under such a proposal.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:46 PM (sX1BW)

428 My point, I don't think you can pay a cook below minimum wage. My understanding is tips are shared not because it is part of their earnings, but because waiters sort of need to to grease the skids. You get me food quick, we can all win with better tips.
Posted by: SH

See above, but varies by state law and federal law only applies to businesses above a certain size.

DOL definition "Tipped Employees
Tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages.

The employer who elects to use the tip credit provision must inform the employee in advance and must be able to show that the employee receives at least the applicable minimum wage (see above) when direct wages and the tip credit allowance are combined. If an employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. "

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:47 PM (7nYLv)

429 369 Besides the no tax on tips, has Kamala rolled out any other policy?
Posted by: IC - #FJB at August 14, 2024

Yes. She wants to be super tough on the border as well as crime. Once she figures out how to change the font on her copy and paste, she will roll out a few more.

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:48 PM (pZEOD)

430 The Bible covers wage parity. You contract for a certain wage for certain work and get paid what you agreed to, then it's fair. And what somebody else gets paid for the same or less work is none of your concern.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (pohLc)

Well, the parable was more of a lesson on who will be allowed into the Kingdom of Heaven, and Jews who thought they were entitled to a bigger "payday" were informed that their reward would be the same as the convert who followed Jesus, just as theirs would be.

But yeah, the parable works literally as well.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:48 PM (dGCAG)

431 Yep, as long as we're going to tax income, and you are a non-citizen working here legally, your "benefit" is that we allow you to work here, legally.

You get no other benefits, and as soon as you stop paying in, you gotta go.

That's us being generous.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:24 PM (dGCAG)

disallow employers' write off on wages paid to individuals with a mismatch on NAME/DOB/SSN. If you want to stretch it, disallow it for duplicate SSN wages, subject to attestation of multiple employers.

Be civillized about it, allow the employer to get the information corrected and do an amended return within 3 years.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:49 PM (D7oie)

432 Most businesses with Federal FLSA minimum wage requirements fall under this provision:

"All employees of certain enterprises having workers engaged in interstate commerce, producing goods for interstate commerce, or handling, selling, or otherwise working on goods or materials that have been moved in or produced for such commerce by any person, are covered by the FLSA.

A covered enterprise is the related activities performed through unified operation or common control by any person or persons for a common business purpose and —

whose annual gross volume of sales made or business done is not less than $500,000 (exclusive of excise taxes at the retail level that are separately stated"

States can have higher minimum wage rates and different application which apply to businesses in their state. (also lower minimum wages for businesses but that is rarely the case today).

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:50 PM (7nYLv)

433 Then the fry cook quits his job, and hires on as a waiter someplace else. Problem solved.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2024 03:46 PM (yLiuJ)

What??? People can't make their own decisions about what they do for a living, and how much they get paid.

Why, there ought to be a law that prevents people from changing jobs. How dare they.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:51 PM (dGCAG)

434 When I was bouncing at the topless bar 30-35 years ago we were payed well below minimum wage by the company. I think I got $2.10 /hour. Tips from the Dancers were our main source of compensation.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 14, 2024 03:51 PM (Da7Vv)

435 Tax system is entirely too complicated. Streamline it & then there will also need to be far less federal and state tax agents, managers.
Posted by: L

The basic problem in humanity is like dying and heaven; everyone wants to have a 'fair' tax but no one wants to pay.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 03:52 PM (7nYLv)

436 disallow employers' write off on wages paid to individuals with a mismatch on NAME/DOB/SSN. If you want to stretch it, disallow it for duplicate SSN wages, subject to attestation of multiple employers.

Be civillized about it, allow the employer to get the information corrected and do an amended return within 3 years.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:49 PM (D7oie)

I don't know about any of that.

All I'm saying is, if you aren't a citizen, you being here is your reward. You pay taxes like everyone else, for wages you are legally paid. Don't be expecting to collect any pots of gold at the end of your personal rainbow.

You pay in because we let you.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:53 PM (dGCAG)

437 428 Not at all. Somebody here has it all figured out.
Posted by: People Suck at August

Friend, I actually enjoy Nurse very much and it’s super easy to have a conversation about differing views. That is how conversations work. It’s also okay not to agree and still be friends. I swear you don’t have to agree with me all the time. You would be wrong, but it’s okay to be wrong! (I am kidding, just in case).

Posted by: Piper at August 14, 2024 03:53 PM (pZEOD)

438 But yeah, the parable works literally as well.

I think some of Jesus’s parables were literally opposite parables, in the sense that he is describing how much different Heaven is than Earth. In this case, while the parable does technically work literally, all of his listeners would have also caught on to fact that the landlord isn’t going to get anyone working the next day, at least not until the last few hours.

I suspect that the Good Shepherd parable is similar. Really? You’re going to leave your entire flock in the wilderness and go after the one that is probably already dead and eaten? It’s bad enough that some people try to reinterpret “wilderness” as “a safe, fenced in field”.

Shepherds know there is a certain attrition rate that can’t be helped. God does not treat his sheep that way.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2024 03:53 PM (EXyHK)

439 And… NOOD.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2024 03:55 PM (EXyHK)

440 When I was bouncing at the topless bar 30-35 years ago we were payed well below minimum wage by the company. I think I got $2.10 /hour. Tips from the Dancers were our main source of compensation.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 14, 2024 03:51 PM (Da7Vv)

Oh. I thought you meant you were bouncing your tits at the topless bar. I was about to start being nicer to you.

Anyway, carry on.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:55 PM (dGCAG)

441 If the extra vehicles are "for your children" the titles should be in their names

If the second home is an "office" it is a business expense and should be listed as such.

A luxury boat is bigger than a bathtub
Posted by: nurse ratched, certified lunatic at August 14, 2024 03:32 PM (W2Pud)

Taxing personal property is a direct tax, and is a way of making ownership of "luxury goods" too expensive for mere plebs to own. It is a very anti-equality idea, and one that very much hammers on the fingers of anyone trying to be better than what they were. Which means it is touted as some sort of equalizing proposal.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:56 PM (D7oie)

442 wait , wait, we are not done ! october surprise in the making ! WHO declares mpox a PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY!

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2024 03:56 PM (V13WU)

443 "So every year, I'm claiming less deductions that I'm actually entitled to."

Credibility shot. Pity.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at August 14, 2024 03:57 PM (Z8Yh2)

444 I suspect that the Good Shepherd parable is similar. Really? You’re going to leave your entire flock in the wilderness and go after the one that is probably already dead and eaten? It’s bad enough that some people try to reinterpret “wilderness” as “a safe, fenced in field”.

Shepherds know there is a certain attrition rate that can’t be helped. God does not treat his sheep that way.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2024 03:53 PM (EXyHK)

Agreed. You aren't really going to do that, it's not a good idea, but at least with the wages thing, there's a point to be made, if you agreed to work these hours, for this amount, then what I pay someone else isn't really your concern.

You hear that, 70 cents on the dollar ladies?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2024 03:58 PM (dGCAG)

445 Explain to me how that’s fair to the McDonald’s guy.
Posted by: RIP UK at August 14, 2024 03:37 PM (dt93y)

great and horrible tyrannies are built on fairness. want to contine?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2024 03:58 PM (D7oie)

446 A few years ago, PA figured out the actual 'wage' that a person on welfare received based on costs of the benefits, cash, etc. Came out to 60k plus in income. Lot of those welfare recipients also do under the table work of various sorts--legal or illegal to boost those benefits.

And we wonder why the labor participation rate is officially tanking and welfare costs (not ss and medicare) are booming.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2024 04:02 PM (7nYLv)

447 NOOD

What inflation, Comrade?

Posted by: DOCTOR Jill at August 14, 2024 04:05 PM (FnneF)

448 Nothing prevents Congress from passing a bill to stop taxing tips and SS right now! So why doesn't some congressman introduce a bill today?

Posted by: zogger at August 14, 2024 04:05 PM (HGKOZ)

449 My point, I don't think you can pay a cook below minimum wage. My understanding is tips are shared not because it is part of their earnings, but because waiters sort of need to to grease the skids. You get me food quick, we can all win with better tips.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at August 14, 2024 03:43 PM (sX1BW)

the cook you pay minimum wage quits when he gets a better slot, or has a drinking problem and can't find a better job.
Maybe a prep cook gets MW, but most likely not.
Servers it depends on the place, the economy and the tips. Even then it is usually a starting wage. Remember, they also have to handle your till, so you treat them as well as you can.

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