THE MORNING RANT: Is Ford Starting to Miss the Thousands of ICE Engineers it Sacked to Save Money for its EV Debacle?

It’s been just three days since I last wrote about the destructive mismanagement at Ford Motor Company, so I promise to give it a rest for a little while after today. But since I wrote and uploaded my EV roundup last week, there has been a cascade of awful news for Ford and its EV-loving CEO, Jim Farley.

Ford’s Q2 2024 financial results were just released, revealing a massive decrease in earnings, including a 6-month year-to-date loss on its electric vehicle debacle of $2.5 billion – this after Ford lost $4.7 billion on EVs in 2023. Ford’s stock price is in free fall, plunging 20% last week alone. Wall Street analysts were blindsided by the depth of Ford’s financial catastrophe.

Perhaps most telling is that warranty claims on Ford’s legacy gasoline-powered vehicles have spiraled out of control. This is not by accident. Mr. Farley deliberately sabotaged the legacy ICE (internal combustion engine) business a few years ago by gutting the engineering and design staff that had successfully made the F150 America’s most popular vehicle, as I’ll re-visit in just a moment. But first, here are some of the stories that came out late last week.

“Ford shares fall as car repair costs weigh on profits; Company misses earnings expectations following unexpected surge in need to fix faulty vehicles” [Financial Times – 7/24/2024]

Ford shares fell sharply late on Wednesday after the carmaker reported second-quarter earnings far below analysts’ expectations, citing an unexpected spike in costs for fixing faulty cars under warranty.

“Ford keeps having to repair customers’ new cars and trucks. Its profit is plunging and its stock tumbled” [CNN – 7/24/2024]

Shares of Ford fell more than 11% in after-hours trading Wednesday after the automaker reported much weaker than expected earnings. The company said it was compelled to set aside more money to cover the cost of repairing customers’ vehicles.
The company’s adjusted net income fell $1 billion to $1.9 billion, or 47 cents a share. That badly missed analysts’ forecasts of earnings per share of 68 cents a share.

Aside from the surging warranty costs related to Ford’s neglected ICE products, the EV losses continue to worsen…

”Ford misses Q2 earnings by a wide margin as EV losses reach $2.5 billion in 2024” [Electrek – 7/24/2024]

Ford’s model e unit lost another $1.1 billion in the second quarter. Ford Model e revenue fell to $1.3 billion, while volume was down 23% in Q2. Ford’s EV losses reached $2.5 billion through the first half of 2024. The higher losses are due to lower volume and industry-wide pricing pressure.

Ford successfully “sold” a record number of EVs in Q1 of 2024, but at a tremendous loss, due to fire-sale pricing in order to reduce its glut of unsold EVs. But sales plummeted again in Q2, with EV revenue falling off a cliff.

Over the past several years, Jim Farley and his band of merry destructors at Ford have sought to fund their EV misadventure by slashing the payroll of Ford’s profitable ICE division. In a manner that the cost-cutters at Boeing would recognize, Farley eliminated engineers who had critical roles in the quality of Ford’s popular gasoline-powered vehicles:

“Ford to Fund Its EV Efforts in Part by Laying Off 8,000 Workers: The cuts seem to be part of a plan, announced earlier in the year by Ford CEO Jim Farley, to cut $3 billion in operational costs from business operations related to internal-combustion products” [Car & Driver – 7/21/2022]

Up to 8,000 Ford employees could be hit by job cuts, according to a Wednesday report from Bloomberg. The move could be part of a plan to cut $3 billion in operational costs from the company's gasoline-powered business operations in order to boost profit and invest more into Ford's electric-vehicle endeavors.

It wasn’t just a one-time purge in 2022. Farley made it clear how contemptuous he was toward engineers whose skill set was for ICE vehicles.

“Ford Employs 25 Percent More Engineers Than Needed: Farley” [Ford Authority – 02/06/2023]

Mere days after Farley expressed frustration with Ford’s disappointing 2022 financial performance – which was aided by the automaker’s overstaffing issue – the executive has noted that the company employs 25 percent more engineers than it needs...

As the EV debacle worsened, Ford continued to cut deeper into its brain trust of legacy ICE employees, with another wave of engineers let go in 2023.

“Ford targets US and Canadian engineers in latest wave of layoffs” [The Verge – 6/27/2023]

A new wave of layoffs primarily targeting Ford Motor employees in engineering roles in the US and Canada are expected to take place this week as part of the company’s latest cost-cutting efforts. Leaders of the teams impacted by the job cuts received confirmation on Monday,

Jim Farley’s commitment to electric vehicles, and his efforts to sabotage Ford’s successful line of gasoline-powered vehicles, can be likened to an overseas explorer of centuries past who scuttles his ship upon reaching foreign shores. By destroying the vessel that brought his crew to this place, he is making the point that Ford cannot return to where it came from. It must succeed in its new journey as an EV company, or it will be allowed to fail.

Unfortunately, Ford will not succeed as an EV company. By allowing Farley to continue down this path, Ford’s board of directors is assenting to the failure of this once great company. It’s not too late to save Ford, but it cannot be saved with a CEO who is willing to destroy the company rather than retreat from a colossal mistake.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: BruceWayne at July 29, 2024 11:00 AM (CIS44)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

3 but you will blow me....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

4 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:00 AM (rVgs0)

5 Not my Circus, Not my Monkeys.

Posted by: XTC at July 29, 2024 11:01 AM (UnA8+)

6 Ford Has a Better Idea

(Not)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 29, 2024 11:02 AM (J2vNu)

7 Something funny about Ford:

Of the Top 30 vehicles on the "American Made Index" which takes into account parts, assemble, and manufacturing, Ford does not have one single vehicle. Not even the F150 makes the list.

Posted by: brak at July 29, 2024 11:03 AM (25k9m)

8 I find it fascinating how Biden and team said something and all these companies just pivoted on a dime away from core products. It’s like we don’t have elections every 4 years and pendulum swings.

Posted by: Piper at July 29, 2024 11:04 AM (ClBAL)

9 I am a Ford fan. Always have been.

What they're doing now depresses me greatly.

CEO, Jim Farley should be launched into the ocean via trebuchet to become shark shit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

10 My first few cars were Fords, a maverick sedan, a vintage Mercury park Lane 4-door, and an Escort 4-door. I used to say, "I like Fords; I understand their design philosophy."

Then I moved on, and up, to Oldsmobiles, Mercedes, BMW, and Buick. Since Ford no longer makes vehicles I'd be interested in, well, so long, Blue Oval.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 29, 2024 11:04 AM (J2vNu)

11 Found
On
Road
Dead

Posted by: Diogenes at July 29, 2024 11:04 AM (W/lyH)

12 Nothing puns like a Ford.

Posted by: andycanuck (wse2C) at July 29, 2024 11:05 AM (wse2C)

13 I saw two EV chargers in a large, busy parking lot in GA and standard or hybrid vehicles galore for sale.

How it seems no one there cares nor can they be made to care about the EV debacle.

Is it actually more limited - politically - to certain states or regions?

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 29, 2024 11:05 AM (NFX2v)

14 At least my namesake car was only a model line and not the the entire company!

Posted by: Edsel Ford at July 29, 2024 11:05 AM (tT6L1)

15 Proving once again, Go Woke, Go Broke!
FORD = Fucked On Race Day

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at July 29, 2024 11:05 AM (Fyl+x)

16 Sad to see Ford go woke in the first place, been a F-150 guy but then probably on my last one anyway

Posted by: Skip at July 29, 2024 11:06 AM (Q4mrZ)

17 Ford just needs a new spokesmodel.

Posted by: Megan Rapinoe at July 29, 2024 11:06 AM (PiwSw)

18 Ugh, Ford.

I think it is possible for America's best days to still be ahead of her.

But if things don't change, I think the Matrix will be right: the year 1999 WAS actually the peak of our civilization.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2024 11:06 AM (Eng1Z)

19 Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

Posted by: Cosda at July 29, 2024 11:06 AM (RS8TZ)

20 If I had an Xcrement account, I would start the #FireFarley campaign.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)

21 Usually, when things go south for a company, they only screw up an engine or car design.

It takes real talent to destroy a whole company.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (tT6L1)

22 No blue ovals!!

Posted by: Hunter at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (DobEs)

23 >>> 9 I am a Ford fan. Always have been.

What they're doing now depresses me greatly.

CEO, Jim Farley should be launched into the ocean via trebuchet to become shark shit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

I can think of several CEOs who ought to join him.

Somewhat related, is it wrong that I hope a very woke company I'm familiar with got fcked up the ass by the ClownStrike fiasco?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (FnneF)

24 There is nothing wrong with Ford products that buying a Toyota model won't fix.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (6WCwE)

25 I miss Mercury and Lincoln, esp. the Continentals. Sure, people say that Mercury had devolved into nothing more than a Ford with a few more options and the Merc badges, but didn't they also feature more soundproofing and have more powerful engines available? Once upon a time they did; I don't know about the last twenty eyars of the sub-company.

Lincoln is still going (?), but the only dealer is thirty miles or more away from me. And I suspect they only offer Matthew McConaghey SUV specials, no cars.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (J2vNu)

26 How many months/weeks/days before Ford declares bankruptcy?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)

27 ah, cost-cutting

it never fails to deliver

worse results than previous because people only ever look at the front end cost, if they even look that far...

i'm in type - delete territory with cost cutters right now....

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (UCRjB)

28 Vice President Kamala Harris
@VP
The United States stands with the people of Venezuela who expressed their voice in today’s historic presidential election. The will of the Venezuelan people must be respected. Despite the many challenges, we will continue to work toward a more democratic, prosperous, and secure future for the people of Venezuela.

https://tinyurl.com/289ufz67

"Will of the people" my wrinkly ass!

Fuck this chick.

Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (rVgs0)

29 Jim Farley’s commitment to electric vehicles, and his efforts to sabotage Ford’s successful line of gasoline-powered vehicles, can be likened to an overseas explorer of centuries past who scuttles his ship upon reaching foreign shores. By destroying the vessel that brought his crew to this place, he is making the point that Ford cannot return to where it came from. It must succeed in its new journey as an EV company, or it will be allowed to fail.

Cortes burned his ships to motivate his men (supposedly, but others argue the ships were simply worn out), but had the advantage that he had landed on a fertile shore, with many tribes willing to help him overthrow the Aztecs. Even so, it was a lunatic idea. He got lucky.

Farley is trying to replicate Cortes, but instead of Mexico, he landed on the side of an active Antarctic volcano.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 29, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

30 >>> 17 Ford just needs a new spokesmodel.
Posted by: Megan Rapinoe at July 29, 2024 11:06 AM (PiwSw)

Save us, TayTay!!!

Posted by: Jim E. Farley, super genius at July 29, 2024 11:08 AM (FnneF)

31 7 Something funny about Ford:

Of the Top 30 vehicles on the "American Made Index" which takes into account parts, assemble, and manufacturing, Ford does not have one single vehicle. Not even the F150 makes the list.
Posted by: brak
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Quality declines across the board as third world assemblers simply do not give much of a care about quality of what they make. I am even dubious of brand new 'name brand' repair parts nowadays as so many are defective right out of the box to fix older vehicles.

Boeing shows what happens when quality of components deteriorate--bad things happen.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:09 AM (qdbNv)

32 I know we all have opinions on vehicles. Maybe it was just bad luck. I'll preface my remarks by saying I take very good care of my vehicles. Maintenance and care from the time I get them. I've had nothing but problems with the various Fords that I've owned over the years. Out of 4 that I've owned. I've had to replace an engine at 82,000 miles. And two transmissions under 100K. The other was not as major but still in the shop a lot. the 4th is an F150 that's a 2007. It runs good etc. Even though I wash the vehicle often, the frame is shot. I've NEVER had that with any other vehicle, even some of the old pieces of shit I've owned, the frame at least was still good. Sorry Ford, I'm out.

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 29, 2024 11:09 AM (4p0Xq)

33 At this point I don't know how there isn't a lawsuit of the board members by the shareholders over breach of fiduciary duty.

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 29, 2024 11:09 AM (dIg3g)

34 Must be a Democrat.

Venezuela's dictator declares election victory, calls on military to enforce "the will of the people," despite exit polls showing he lost by 30 points

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 11:09 AM (L/fGl)

35 Dan Bongino just announced that the Counter Sniper Team at the Trump shooting was only authorized THE DAY BEFORE, instead of the usual two weeks before the event, and had no chance to survey the spot for possible sniper shooting locations.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at July 29, 2024 11:09 AM (Da7Vv)

36 Vice President Kamala Harris
@VP
The United States stands. . blah, blah, blah.

It's Monday morning. Has America seen it's President lately?

Posted by: Tonypete at July 29, 2024 11:10 AM (6WCwE)

37 Edsel Ford was long deceased by the time the Edsel came out. You can't blame him for that.

Posted by: Packardbaker at July 29, 2024 11:10 AM (CV8a5)

38 As a Chevy person, I'd like to toss a few stones, but, not like my preferred company hasn't had it's share of failures.

Taking a small block V-8 gasoline engine and making some minor changes and calling it a diesel comes to mind.

Then, the ill fated Chev Vega. No idea who thought a cast iron head on an aluminum block was a good idea. Of course, the Vega was so bad, it was generally a race to see which disintegrated first, the engine or the body.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:10 AM (tT6L1)

39 Jim Farley’s commitment to electric vehicles

======
Jim does not answer to Ford stockholders, workers, etc. He answers to the WEF, Blackrock, State Street, and Vanguard as does the rest of Ford's Board of Directors.

All of them are nasty critters that are out to enslave and depopulate the world.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:11 AM (qdbNv)

40 Wasn't it the Ford LTD back in the Sixties that used the ad campaign, "The Standard by Which Luxury Cars Are Judged"?

"When Better Cars Are Built, Ford Will Build Them."

"Have You Driven a Ford Lately?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 29, 2024 11:11 AM (J2vNu)

41 Here's the American-made list:

https://shorturl.at/xVPJp

you want American made? buy a Honda
you want an American made full-size truck? buy a Toyota Tundra

Posted by: brak at July 29, 2024 11:11 AM (25k9m)

42 >>> 34 Must be a Democrat.

Venezuela's dictator declares election victory, calls on military to enforce "the will of the people," despite exit polls showing he lost by 30 points
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 11:09 AM (L/fGl)

Does commie-la think the military will enforce *her* November 'victory'? Does she plan to blow ALL of them as motivation?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 29, 2024 11:11 AM (FnneF)

43 Here's one for you, Buck. Edmunds:

https://tinyurl.com/28wco2d9

"More than half of Teslas traded in at dealerships so far in 2024 were traded in for a gas vehicle. According to Edmunds data, from January to July of 2024, 51% of used Teslas were traded for gas, and 32% were traded for an EV. If you factor in hybrids, that first number grows to 57%."

Here's the funniest part of the article, though. They want you to understand how that's a great thing:

"But the big news is that more and more people are opting to trade their Teslas for an EV from a legacy automaker."

See, it's GOOD that not even 1/3rd of the owners of the best, most supported, most supercool, most stylish, most etc etc decide to stick with an electric vehicle. Or something.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:12 AM (loGH0)

44 I've owned several Ford's in my lifetime. Have 4 in my driveway currently.

They're solid, dependable vehicles that I've had to put very little work into over the years.

All were bought used, had reasonably low mileage and my cost of ownership very low.

The only major items were a timing belt in one (wear item) and a rocker arm in another (incredibly rare issue).

Other than that, they start every day, get me to and fro and make me and my family pretty happy.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)

45 I can think of several CEOs who ought to join him.

Somewhat related, is it wrong that I hope a very woke company I'm familiar with got fcked up the ass by the ClownStrike fiasco?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (FnneF)

Carlos Tavares of Stellantis needs to be next in line on that Defenestration Trebuchet (adding a personal touch to the gravity-assisted-homocide angle) queue. The damage he's done to Dodge Jeep and Ram (none of which I'm particularly passionate about) is simply criminal.

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 29, 2024 11:12 AM (dIg3g)

46 In case you need to pick up your Ford Escape, try to do so from the clean end.

Posted by: Owner's Manual at July 29, 2024 11:12 AM (DobEs)

47 Ford spelled backwards

Driver Returned on Foot

Posted by: Old Blue at July 29, 2024 11:12 AM (Pxa/w)

48 The asshole, Farley, would make a great D politician.
Fuck him with a roll of rusty barbed wire.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at July 29, 2024 11:13 AM (JNTt1)

49 Vice President Kamala Harris
@VP
The United States stands with the people of Venezuela who expressed their voice in today’s historic presidential election. The will of the Venezuelan people must be respected. Despite the many challenges, we will continue to work toward a more democratic, prosperous, and secure future for the people of Venezuela.

Wow. Just wow. This idiot had an easy chance to show she isn't just a leftist idiot, and blew it completely. Her political instincts are actually in negative territory.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 29, 2024 11:13 AM (xCA6C)

50 It's Monday morning. Has America seen it's President lately?
Posted by: Tonypete at July 29, 2024 11:10 AM (6WCwE)

Does America even know who it's president is at this point?

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at July 29, 2024 11:13 AM (JCLJi)

51 Fix
Or
Repair
Daily
Posted by: Cosda at July 29, 2024

***
First
On
Race Day

or

Found
On
Road
Dead

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 29, 2024 11:13 AM (J2vNu)

52 Glenn Reynolds: Olympics’ Last Supper debacle was latest effort to denigrate Western culture

https://tinyurl.com/2whv26t4

Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:13 AM (ISrj/)

53 Taking a small block V-8 gasoline engine and making some minor changes and calling it a diesel comes to mind.

Hey there. My 6.5 turbo diesel with its forged internals and 21:1 compression ratio is giving you a raspberry right now

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 29, 2024 11:14 AM (dIg3g)

54 Mustang II-Boredom Zero!

Posted by: Ad Man at July 29, 2024 11:14 AM (CV8a5)

55 Isn't Biden still the POTUS?

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:14 AM (loGH0)

56 Hey there. My 6.5 turbo diesel with its forged internals and 21:1 compression ratio is giving you a raspberry right now
Posted by: Defenestratus at July 29, 2024 11:14 AM (dIg3g)
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I'm talking the mid eighties abomination. Terrible engine.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:14 AM (tT6L1)

57 This is a shame... I had long ago written off GM vehicles.. and now I fear Ford must be replaced.
I need a large truck, Expedition Max was to be my next purchase...
Suburban and Yukon XL is already a no go.

Posted by: Inogame at July 29, 2024 11:14 AM (53oGX)

58 Somewhat related, is it wrong that I hope a very woke company I'm familiar with got fcked up the ass by the ClownStrike fiasco?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

Microsux at least is has the EU to blame. It made third party access to the Windows kernel mandatory.

Lost in the noise, Linux systems were also affected by kernel panics which has been going on for months prior to the lasted Clown Strike debacle.

Good systems administrators shouldn't allow that on their systems anymore than McAfee. FWIW, the current CEO of Cloud Strike was the CTO of McAfee when it screwed its customers with a doom loop back over a decade ago.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:15 AM (qdbNv)

59 Another grim milestone of the Emhoff-Biden administration.

Posted by: Tsk, tsk, tsk at July 29, 2024 11:15 AM (DobEs)

60 Basic Business 101:

If you want to make money in retail, sell what people want to buy.

Posted by: davidt at July 29, 2024 11:15 AM (i0F8b)

61 *note to self, need to remember 1985 is not yesterday to a lot of people.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:15 AM (tT6L1)

62 ‘ Mr. Farley deliberately sabotaged the legacy ICE (internal combustion engine) business a few years ago’

Why in the HELL would an entire corporation gamble its entire future on the democrats being right about something?
My imagination can’t penetrate the density of this mindset.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 29, 2024 11:16 AM (jbnUc)

63 Yet the auto union members will vote for ... Harris?

Posted by: Greta Garble at July 29, 2024 11:16 AM (qUkBO)

64 57 This is a shame... I had long ago written off GM vehicles.. and now I fear Ford must be replaced.
I need a large truck, Expedition Max was to be my next purchase...
Suburban and Yukon XL is already a no go.
Posted by: Inogame
======
Talk to AOP, he favors rebuilding old Suburbans himself but probably knows the skinny on what might be a good bet in current market offerings.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:16 AM (qdbNv)

65 I'm talking the mid eighties abomination. Terrible engine.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:14 AM (tT6L1)

Yes. That was the 6.2 diesel. It's by any objective measure - a terrible engine. My 6.5 is the "evolution" of that. My engine (P400) is about the best mechanical embodiment of "Lipstick on a Pig" as you can get.

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 29, 2024 11:17 AM (dIg3g)

66 He's evil now.

Robert Downey Jr. Returning To Marvel For Next 2 Avengers Movies As Villain Doctor Doom

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 11:17 AM (L/fGl)

67 >>> The will of the Venezuelan people must be respected.

The left wanted the will of the socialists in Venezuela. The people have nothing to do with it.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2024 11:17 AM (Eng1Z)

68 Yet the auto union members will vote for ... Harris?
Posted by: Greta Garble at July 29, 2024 11:16 AM (qUkBO)
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I think the president of a major union spoke at the RNC convention. Seems there are major cracks in union solidarity with the DNC.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:17 AM (tT6L1)

69 My imagination can’t penetrate the density of this mindset.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 29, 2024 11:16 AM (jbnUc)

Come sit by me.

Posted by: "The View" Showrunner at July 29, 2024 11:17 AM (PiwSw)

70 The first vehicle I paid more than pocket change on was a 1984 Ford Mustang GT convertible. It wasn’t just a fun car, it was a workhorse. (Workpony?) It was reliable no matter what stupid shit I did to it.

My current vehicle is a 2005 Lincoln Town Car. Amazing vehicle for long road trips. I’m afraid of what I’ll have to settle for when (if) it has to be replaced. There is nothing out there like it for dependable road trip vehicles.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 29, 2024 11:18 AM (EXyHK)

71 27 ah, cost-cutting

it never fails to deliver

worse results than previous because people only ever look at the front end cost, if they even look that far...

i'm in type - delete territory with cost cutters right now....

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 29, 2024 11:07 AM (UCRjB)
=====
The 'cost cutters' will routinely step on Hundred dollar bills to pick up pennies. In Ford's case, the real cost burden is obviously the E business. Cut that and profits soar, but first they must fire Farley, and before that they must blow me.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at July 29, 2024 11:18 AM (JNTt1)

72 Yet the auto union members will vote for ... Harris?

The Union bosses might tell them to vote that way, but from what I've been seeing, the rank and file are saying...nah.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 29, 2024 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

73 Only Mustang makes it happen-Mustang, Mustang '68!

Posted by: Madison Avenue at July 29, 2024 11:18 AM (CV8a5)

74 55 Isn't Biden still the POTUS?
_____

-ish. But Doctor President Jill will be back from Paris soon.

Posted by: Greta Garble at July 29, 2024 11:18 AM (qUkBO)

75 >>> 62 ' Mr. Farley deliberately sabotaged the legacy ICE (internal combustion engine) business a few years ago'

Why in the HELL would an entire corporation gamble its entire future on the democrats being right about something?
My imagination can't penetrate the density of this mindset.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 29, 2024 11:16 AM (jbnUc)

>>> 39 Jim Farley’s commitment to electric vehicles

======
Jim does not answer to Ford stockholders, workers, etc. He answers to the WEF, Blackrock, State Street, and Vanguard as does the rest of Ford's Board of Directors.

All of them are nasty critters that are out to enslave and depopulate the world.
Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:11 AM (qdbNv)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 29, 2024 11:18 AM (FnneF)

76 Why in the HELL would an entire corporation gamble its entire future on the democrats being right about something?
My imagination can’t penetrate the density of this mindset.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
======
Easy, Farley was paid to do it via the Board and they were told to do it by the Biden junta, the WEF, and Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street.

Financialization of an economy leads to death, poverty, depopulation, and despair and is akin to socialism in that way. Sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:18 AM (qdbNv)

77 Another side to Kamala Harris

https://tinyurl.com/5n89pva9

As Attorney General, Senator Harris instructed to stand every morning as she entered the office and say "Good Morning General"

From 2019 but even more relevant after a 80% staff turnover during the last 4 years.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 29, 2024 11:19 AM (Y8lzz)

78 Why not the best?

Harris’s Campaign Manager Indicates Her Admin Would Keep Biden Border Policy in Place if Elected

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 11:19 AM (L/fGl)

79 Quality is Job One! Right?

Posted by: Pete Seria at July 29, 2024 11:19 AM (jyd01)

80 Robert Downey Jr. Returning To Marvel For Next 2 Avengers Movies As Villain Doctor Doom
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 11:17 AM (L/fGl)

That black dude who was supposed to be the next big villain slapping his girlfriend around got us two completely different Avengers movies.

Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:19 AM (ISrj/)

81 Keep your voice down OK? Nobody here is talking about a Fire Sale.

Posted by: Random Movie Quotes That Fit at July 29, 2024 11:20 AM (B0mGw)

82 ‘ Mr. Farley deliberately sabotaged the legacy ICE (internal combustion engine) business a few years ago’

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What could possibly go wrong with making needlessly complicated high-strung engines that disable components and shut themselves off every ten seconds at red lights?

(although I bet most of the problems are of the luxury type and involve all the crap that is shoved in the cabins these days)

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:20 AM (loGH0)

83 I saw a really bad Rifftrax movie by Lash LaRue, Alien Outlaw. The main character (who is a super hottie, btw) is driving a Mustang II, but they had pried the II off the name plate, so folks would believe they could afford an actual Mustang.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Shopping at Bloodbath and Beyond at July 29, 2024 11:20 AM (xPJvm)

84 Futurist Officer, Retarded Dreamer

Posted by: Jim Farley at July 29, 2024 11:20 AM (YAsVi)

85 Senator Harris vocally throws around “F-bombs” and other profanity constantly in her berating of staff and others. The staff is in complete fear of her and she uses her profanity throughout the day.

As Attorney General, Senator Harris instructed her entire staff to stand every morning as she entered the office and say, “Good Morning General.”

Never once during the month-long internship did Harris introduce herself to our son (as he was only in an office with 20 paid employees) and staff was too intimidated by her to introduce him. The only acknowledgment was a form letter of “thanks” signed by Harris given to him on his last day of service.

Gregory was also given instructions to never address Harris nor look her in the eye as that privilege was only allowed to senior staff members.

Inside every socialist, there's a fascist dictator trying to get out.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 29, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)

86 Senator Harris vocally throws around “F-bombs” and other profanity constantly in her berating of staff and others. The staff is in complete fear of her and she uses her profanity throughout the day.

As Attorney General, Senator Harris instructed her entire staff to stand every morning as she entered the office and say, “Good Morning General.”

What a bitch.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

87 I don't understand why companies keep following Democrats off this EV cliff.

Posted by: Ribbed at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (B0mGw)

88 *** the surging warranty costs related to Ford’s neglected ICE products***
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Warranty costs:
Is it from putting dinky little engines in big trucks?
Is it from poor assembly because of low worker moral?

Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (6ZHNK)

89 Gregory was also given instructions to never address Harris nor look her in the eye as that privilege was only allowed to senior staff members.

-

While Trump picks up Marines' hats when the wind blows them off.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (loGH0)

90 Carlos Tavares of Stellantis needs to be next in line on that Defenestration Trebuchet (adding a personal touch to the gravity-assisted-homocide angle) queue. The damage he's done to Dodge Jeep and Ram (none of which I'm particularly passionate about) is simply criminal.
Posted by: Defenestratus

More pain is coming. Tavares already announced that their collection of brands is going to be reduced some more. Speculation is that Chrysler is now on the chopping block as their Minivan is the only remaining vehicle made by them.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (qdbNv)

91 Will of the Venezuelan people
Probably " voted " for Marxism

Posted by: Skip at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (Q4mrZ)

92 While Trump picks up Marines' hats when the wind blows them off.
Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted t

But he said pussy.

Posted by: BruceWayne at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (CIS44)

93 Inside every socialist, there's a fascist dictator trying to get out.

also screams of the insecurity of someone who nows they slept their way and DEI-ed their way into their position

Posted by: brak at July 29, 2024 11:23 AM (25k9m)

94 I'm not surprised Harris tossed around F bombs. Any word containing more than one syllable probably confuses her.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:23 AM (tT6L1)

95 EV Owners Saving Just $100 Per Year Over Regular Vehicles: Consumer Group

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Yeah, but over a thousand years that can really add up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 11:24 AM (L/fGl)

96 What's really offensive is the overt social engineering that these smug cocksuckers are gleefully trying.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2024 11:24 AM (d9fT1)

97 Warranty costs:
Is it from putting dinky little engines in big trucks?
Is it from poor assembly because of low worker moral?
Posted by: Braenyard
======
Embrace the suck of globalism. Cheap Chinesium third world components are then assembled in haphazard fashion by Mexican workers and bored UAW workers in the US into a rolling conglomeration of failing components and shoddy assembly.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:24 AM (qdbNv)

98 Inside every socialist, there's a fascist dictator trying to get out.

also screams of the insecurity of someone who nows they slept their way and DEI-ed their way into their position

Astute observation. It isn't imposter syndrome if you really didn't earn it.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 29, 2024 11:24 AM (xCA6C)

99 "Must be a Democrat. Venezuela's dictator declares election victory, calls on military to enforce "the will of the people," despite exit polls showing he lost by 30 points"

Biden led the way ... Venezuela's dictator improved on it, a little.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 29, 2024 11:24 AM (Cus5s)

100 While Trump picks up Marines' hats when the wind blows them off.
Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted t

But he said pussy.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (CIS44)
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While picking up the Marine's cover?

Charlatan! Oaf! Get the tar and Feathers!!!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Misunderstanding Comments for Humorous Effect at July 29, 2024 11:24 AM (xPJvm)

101 Long ago, owned one Ford - a little Ford Pinto manufactured somewhere West - shipped to the East Coast for sale. The damn timing chain broke repeatedly, always while riding on a highway, turnpike.

That's what you get for buying a Ford, they said. That and PA roads & highways, terrible as they are, keep me not a Ford fan.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 29, 2024 11:25 AM (NFX2v)

102 EV Owners Saving Just $100 Per Year Over Regular Vehicles: Consumer Group

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I bet this doesn't include the cost of installing the charger.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:25 AM (loGH0)

103 "I bet this doesn't include the cost of installing the charger."

Or replacing the battery.

Posted by: Ribbed at July 29, 2024 11:25 AM (B0mGw)

104 Embrace the suck of globalism. Cheap Chinesium third world components are then assembled in haphazard fashion by Mexican workers and bored UAW workers in the US into a rolling conglomeration of failing components and shoddy assembly.
Posted by: whig

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I saw a great comment on what was probably one of JJ's links. I'll repost it below, but it's not mine. It's such a great observation, though.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:26 AM (loGH0)

105 102 EV Owners Saving Just $100 Per Year Over Regular Vehicles: Consumer Group

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I bet this doesn't include the cost of installing the charger.
Posted by: If Moron Robbie
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You left out burning down the garage and the vehicle randomly while spewing toxic emissions into the air.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:26 AM (qdbNv)

106 In light of the recent Chevron decision, I'd like to see Trump, in his first week of office, declare that the Executive Branch does not have authorization, under the Constitution, to set specific CAFE standards. If Congress wants specific fuel economy standards, it must pass them with specific requirements, otherwise, car makers can make car lines that reach a whopping 4 MPG if they want to.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 29, 2024 11:26 AM (VNX3d)

107 Look, I am all for Venezuelans coming here. As long as they are rich and are all Sofia Vergara nympho clones.

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (4p0Xq)

108 I bet this doesn't include the cost of installing the charger.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:25 AM (loGH0)

And does it include the extra time spent charging, and the trips that must be foregone in favor of an ICE vehicle?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (d9fT1)

109 I’m sure someone beat me to it, but:

Oh no.

Anyways…

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (oqL6k)

110 The GT has something called an "eco boost" engine. That's not exactly what I want to see in my super car.

Posted by: Oglebay at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (ogTiX)

111 Embrace the suck of globalism. Cheap Chinesium third world components are then assembled in haphazard fashion by Mexican workers and bored UAW workers in the US into a rolling conglomeration of failing components and shoddy assembly

but the ads say Made in America!

Posted by: brak at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (25k9m)

112 Buck.

For shits and giggles, do GM.

They're now faring much better. The Volt is a joke and their cheap, small vehicles are garbage. They embarrassed themselves recalling the Impala badge as that car was horrible, shockingly worse than the Malibu, which was crap as well.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (Zz0t1)

113 I'm not going to entirely blame quality issues on bad engines.

EPA mandated fuel efficiency standards means every single car manufacturer has to find a way to cut weight.

It's getting to the point the EPA is pretty much asking car companies to violate the laws of physics in order to meet their insane goals.

Removing weight and shaving every single corner possible is going to create reliability issues. For instance, the shut down at the stop light to save fuel nonsense. How is that not hard on systems? The short term gain is going to be more than offset by long term maintenance problems.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (tT6L1)

114 Farley? Ridiculous!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 29, 2024 11:28 AM (0eaVi)

115 I doubt layoffs in 2022 affected warranty claims in 2024. Whatever new cars were sold in 2024 or 2022/2023 (which are still under warranty) were designed and engineered long before the 2022 layoffs. Car designs take several years before they’re manufactured.

Posted by: Kumala Word Salad at July 29, 2024 11:28 AM (+eJ8V)

116 This is why I've always kind of objected to the characterizations of Harris as ditzy, vapid and stupid (which are all true), if only because she is truly vile despicable trash. That's what people should know about her first.

This Aunty Kamala just being Aunty Kamala like they do with Biden shouldn't fly.

The entire purpose of her is to finish America off. By 2030 we will have had Kuntala for 6 years.

Posted by: ... at July 29, 2024 11:28 AM (AQGfm)

117 ...the overwhelming majority of Americans are supposed to accept a way of life that will be somewhere between the European standard and that prevailing in the Third World.

Globalism is an era when the elites no longer feel restrained by national identity and are thus freer to enrich themselves at their host society's expense, mainly by outsourcing jobs to low-wage countries and by insourcing low-wage labor for jobs that cannot be relocated, such as those in construction and services. That's globalism in a nutshell. This two-way movement redistributes wealth from owners of labor to owners of capital. Businesses get not only a cheaper workforce but also weaker labor and environmental standards. To stay competitive, workers in high-wage countries have to accept lower pay and a return to working conditions of another age. The top 10% are thus pulling farther and farther ahead of everyone else throughout the developed world. They're getting richer ... not by making a better product but by making the same product with cheaper and less troublesome inputs of labor. This is not a win-win situation, and the potential for revolutionary unrest is high.

https://tinyurl.com/2d4r9zk9

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:28 AM (loGH0)

118 The GT has something called an "eco boost" engine. That's not exactly what I want to see in my super car.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (ogTiX)

They finally learned something from the Japs and put a turbo on a small CI engine and made horsepower while maintaining fuel economy.

Daughter has a 1.5L 4 cyl Ecoboost that has good power and still gets 30+ mpg.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)

119 They're now faring much better. The Volt is a joke and their cheap, small vehicles are garbage. They embarrassed themselves recalling the Impala badge as that car was horrible, shockingly worse than the Malibu, which was crap as well.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (Zz0t1)
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For some reason though, GM has let their speed division alone. Have you seen the new Corvette? It's a monster.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:29 AM (tT6L1)

120 but the ads say Made in America!
Posted by: brak
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Ads exist to sell illusions.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:29 AM (qdbNv)

121 At least 8 people wounded in a stabbing attack in Southport, England, possibly targeting a Taylor Swift themed children's yoga class.

https://tinyurl.com/498mj9fx

Absolutely no description of perpetrators or suspects. So tranny or Muslim?

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 29, 2024 11:29 AM (Y8lzz)

122 They're ~~now~~ not faring much better.

Corrected for my idiocy.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)

123 EPA mandated fuel efficiency standards means every single car manufacturer has to find a way to cut weight.

—

It’s why no new cars have spare tires anymore. That’s extra weight. Slap on some run flats instead.

Posted by: Kumala Word Salad at July 29, 2024 11:30 AM (+eJ8V)

124
Designed in America

(for when they want to insult you)

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:30 AM (loGH0)

125 The main problem I have with ford and other auto manufacturers is their ridiculous prices. $100,000 for a full size pickup truck?

Granted the dealers are starting to put discounts in place on most models but the price tag is still way too high for most people to even think of buying a new truck.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 29, 2024 11:30 AM (QNSds)

126 At least 8 people wounded in a stabbing attack in Southport, England, possibly targeting a Taylor Swift themed children's yoga class.

https://tinyurl.com/498mj9fx

Absolutely no description of perpetrators or suspects. So tranny or Muslim?
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 29, 2024 11:29 AM (Y8lzz)

Hating on Taytay?!?

Dats RAYCISS!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)

127 At least 8 people wounded in a stabbing attack in Southport, England, possibly targeting a Taylor Swift themed children's yoga class.

https://tinyurl.com/498mj9fx

The kids stabbed their parents for making them go to a Taylor Swift themed yoga class?

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 29, 2024 11:31 AM (4p0Xq)

128
Absolutely no description of perpetrators or suspects. So tranny or Muslim?
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 29, 2024 11:29 AM (Y8lzz)

Let’s go with AND. Because our society is all the way off the rails.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:31 AM (oqL6k)

129 They finally learned something from the Japs and put a turbo on a small CI engine and made horsepower while maintaining fuel economy.

Daughter has a 1.5L 4 cyl Ecoboost that has good power and still gets 30+ mpg.
Posted by: Sponge

Lee Iaccoca did that with the K cars back in the 80's. Problem was that turbochargers break down over time and require expensive maintenance.

TANSTAFFL and that includes intercooling and turbocharging.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:31 AM (qdbNv)

130 I would love nothing more than to see Kuntala Whorris sent to history's gutter dumpster but I think the Steal is going to be too much. Never hoped to be wrong more.

Posted by: ... at July 29, 2024 11:32 AM (AQGfm)

131 Problem was that turbochargers break down over time and require expensive maintenance.

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(looks at Ford's engines)

uh - oh

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:32 AM (loGH0)

132 Removing weight and shaving every single corner possible is going to create reliability issues. For instance, the shut down at the stop light to save fuel nonsense. How is that not hard on systems? The short term gain is going to be more than offset by long term maintenance problems.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (tT6L1)

I'm sure adding 100x more starts to the starter will be fine..

Posted by: Inogame at July 29, 2024 11:32 AM (53oGX)

133
For some reason though, GM has let their speed division alone. Have you seen the new Corvette? It's a monster.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:29 AM (tT6L1)

The Lambrarette?

The designs they stole from EVERYONE else and FINALLY made mid-engine?

I find that thing hideous, but then, I've never been a Corvette fan, so.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:32 AM (Zz0t1)

134 70 The first vehicle I paid more than pocket change on was a 1984 Ford Mustang GT convertible. It wasn’t just a fun car, it was a workhorse. (Workpony?) It was reliable no matter what stupid shit I did to it."

I bought the same car, the same year! Loved that car, wish I still had it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 29, 2024 11:32 AM (wyMQY)

135 It's a shame what has been done to Ford. I've been driving their trucks since the mid 1970s. Had a used F-150 and then a new Ranger 1984-2004. It ran well, did drop a timing chain and had the brake lines replaced (rust). Traded it in for a 2005 Explorer that over the years needed a starter and at one point a new thermostat. Not a bad repair record for 35 years. Currently driving a 2020 Ranger with absolutely no problems (fingers crossed).

Posted by: toxic jeff at July 29, 2024 11:32 AM (squKK)

136 >>> 125 The main problem I have with ford and other auto manufacturers is their ridiculous prices. $100,000 for a full size pickup truck?

Granted the dealers are starting to put discounts in place on most models but the price tag is still way too high for most people to even think of buying a new truck.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 29, 2024 11:30 AM (QNSds)

Look, fat. Inflation was 90% when I came into the office.

Posted by: Brandon at July 29, 2024 11:33 AM (FnneF)

137 A chinese company will scoop up the remains of Ford.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 29, 2024 11:33 AM (d9LQi)

138 Used to drive Ford products in the 80's/90's. Bought a Toyota Sequoia back in 2000 which was from the second month of it's inaugural production and I'm still driving it with 330K+ miles. Has two air conditioners in it (front and rear) and haven't touched either one. It's never left me on the side of the road. All of my subsequent car purchases for secondary and kids cars have been used Toyotas and Lexus. Have yet to sell a Toyota/Lexus due to being "worn out". Life is measurably easier if you don't have to worry about your cars breaking down.

Posted by: hate_the_deepstate at July 29, 2024 11:33 AM (t0HQj)

139 Deadline: Angela Merkel Detective Series Lands U.S. Home

https://tinyurl.com/ybcb8k9h

Uuuhhhh...k?

I want a series with featuring Trump as a private eye. With a beautiful new dame every week. And a chimpanzee as his sidekick.

Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:33 AM (ISrj/)

140 Just another couple of data points related to driving and/or Ford:

Drunk Driving Detection technology mandated in the USA by 2026 (Infrastructure bill of 2021.) That's sure to raise the cost per vehicle, and false positives will be considered simply an "inconvenience" to the vehicle owner. I can think of many cases where it would be a whole lot more than an inconvenience to not be able to drive your vehicle.

Also, Ford Motor Company has filed a patent application # 20240239352, "SYSTEMS AND METHODS FOR DETECTING SPEEDING VIOLATIONS" where one vehicle would detect the speed and identifying features of another speeding vehicle on the road and would then electronically tattle to authorities.

Patent filing here: https://is.gd/clKeXh
( goes to patents.justia.com )

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 29, 2024 11:34 AM (O7YUW)

141 Lee Iaccoca did that with the K cars back in the 80's. Problem was that turbochargers break down over time and require expensive maintenance.

TANSTAFFL and that includes intercooling and turbocharging.
Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:31 AM (qdbNv)

Yet the Japs are still doing it and are highly successful at it and everyone believes them to be the most reliable on the road.

Huh......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

142 I don't see now how Ford avoids going through bankruptcy and wiping out the stockholders. It's not just that financials are bad, it's that they're not even close to turning it around yet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 29, 2024 11:34 AM (wyMQY)

143 Vice President Kamala Harris
@VP
The United States stands. .

As she and the DNC run a coup on Biden and the Party's primary voters.

Posted by: t-bird at July 29, 2024 11:34 AM (HG3pl)

144
I want a series with featuring Trump as a private eye. With a beautiful new dame every week. And a chimpanzee as his sidekick.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:33 AM (ISrj/)

Make B.J. McKay and his best friend Bear Great Again.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:35 AM (Zz0t1)

145 The asshole, Farley, would make a great D politician.
Fuck him with a roll of rusty barbed wire.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at July 29, 2024 11:13 AM (JNTt1)

That's the second time this month someone here has forgotten about me!

Posted by: flaming barbed baseball bat that spins at July 29, 2024 11:35 AM (0eaVi)

146 Cortes burned his ships to motivate his men (supposedly, but others argue the ships were simply worn out), but had the advantage that he had landed on a fertile shore, with many tribes willing to help him overthrow the Aztecs. Even so, it was a lunatic idea. He got lucky.
...
Posted by: Archimedes
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Cortes had many of his ships disassembled and the parts numbered, carried to the shore of Lake Texcoco and reassembled to assist in his attack of Tenochtitlan.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 11:35 AM (6ZHNK)

147 If you read the comments thread at Slashdot for this Ford announcement, it's literally unhinged.

Slashdot and National Review are probably one/two in the race for the stupidest comment sections on the internet.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 29, 2024 11:35 AM (XV/Pl)

148 (looks at Ford's engines)

uh - oh
Posted by: If Moron Robbie

Pretty much. They might have extended the life of turbos using some better materials but as a rule of thumb, they go out from 60k to 100k on cars. At best, you replace the turbo, at worst-if you keep driving it, parts from the dead turbo get sucked into the main engine and it be dead.

You would have to ask AOP his opinion on turbos and diesels.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:35 AM (qdbNv)

149 Also, Ford Motor Company has filed a patent application # 20240239352, "SYSTEMS AND METHODS FOR DETECTING SPEEDING VIOLATIONS" where one vehicle would detect the speed and identifying features of another speeding vehicle on the road and would then electronically tattle to authorities.

Patent filing here: https://is.gd/clKeXh
( goes to patents.justia.com )
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 29, 2024 11:34 AM (O7YUW)

We love big brother because he keeps us safe!

~ People who want zero risk in life

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:35 AM (oqL6k)

150 At least 8 people wounded in a stabbing attack in Southport, England, possibly targeting a Taylor Swift themed children's yoga class.
--------

So from this headline we may be able to gather two things. One they likely used "people" in place of "children". And in that case we can infer it's a known religion of pieces attack.

If it really is just adults that were victims of an attack that "targeted a children's class" then I guess it's hard to assume anything yet.

Posted by: ... at July 29, 2024 11:35 AM (AQGfm)

151 I want a series with featuring Trump as a private eye. With a beautiful new dame every week. And a chimpanzee as his sidekick.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:33 AM

Who's the orange private dick, who's a sex machine to all the chicks...Trump! Right on! They say that cat Trump is a bad mother...(Shut your mouth!) But I'm talkin about Trump,,then we can dig it...

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 29, 2024 11:35 AM (4p0Xq)

152 The short term gain is going to be more than offset by long term maintenance problems.

they don't want people holding onto their vehicles

come back when the warranty runs and buy a new one. you don't want to have to do kong term maintenance on touchscreens and computers anyway -- those will go out first

Posted by: brak at July 29, 2024 11:36 AM (25k9m)

153 How is that not hard on systems? The short term gain is going to be more than offset by long term maintenance problems.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (tT6L1)

I'm sure adding 100x more starts to the starter will be fine..
Posted by: Inogame at July 29, 2024 11:32 AM (53oGX)
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I will never buy a vehicle that has that stupid feature. Machines, all machines, have a limited lifespan. It's just the way it is. Your engine restarting ten times on the commute home takes it's toll. And I say that as a dude who is nowhere close to being an engineer.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Misunderstanding Comments for Humorous Effect at July 29, 2024 11:36 AM (xPJvm)

154 CAFE standards, where a whole manufacturer's fleet has to hit a certain mpg average, has been DEVASTATING to automotive quality.

It's one of those federal policies that the average voter has no clue about.

But when their engine grenades because it has a stop/start, hybrid, turbo, active cylinder management system to save .1 mpg, they just get mad that the car wasn't "built right."

Posted by: Blago at July 29, 2024 11:36 AM (wMRY8)

155 Yet the Japs are still doing it and are highly successful at it and everyone believes them to be the most reliable on the road.

Huh......
Posted by: Sponge
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Ask AOP his opinion on the matter. But, from Ford itself,
"Under ideal circumstances, including proper maintenance and disciplined driving habits, a turbo in a 3.5 Ecoboost engine can last up to 150,000 miles. However, this figure may vary depending on the exact model and usage conditions."

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:37 AM (qdbNv)

156 76
‘ Farley was paid to do it via the Board and they were told to do it by the Biden junta, the WEF, and Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street. ’

OK. That explains Farley. He’s a WEF stooge who only cares about WEF compliance.
But what about the Board? Do they really not care whether Ford continues?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 29, 2024 11:37 AM (jbnUc)

157 What really frustrate me about Ford, though is, if memory servers, Ford hocked themselves to the eyebrows rather than borrow money from the FedGov back in what, 2007? And they managed to get through without government "assistance."

I guess since that didn't work, the PTB decided to see if they could wreck the company from the inside. Seems to have worked.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 29, 2024 11:37 AM (tT6L1)

158 Google claims it filters political violence from Autocomplete. So "assassinate Trump" is filtered as a matter of routine.

I guess you could type "assassinate Kamala" or Biden and test the theory.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 29, 2024 11:37 AM (d9LQi)

159 125 The main problem I have with ford and other auto manufacturers is their ridiculous prices. $100,000 for a full size pickup truck?

-

In a way you can’t blame manufacturers for this. Consumers want the fully blinged out truck. Because they’re not trucks for most people they’re luxury cars with a bed in the back.

You can still find bare bones work trucks for under $40k.

Posted by: Kumala Word Salad at July 29, 2024 11:37 AM (+eJ8V)

160 They finally learned something from the Japs and put a turbo on a small CI engine and made horsepower while maintaining fuel economy.

Daughter has a 1.5L 4 cyl Ecoboost that has good power and still gets 30+ mpg.
Posted by: Sponge

Lee Iaccoca did that with the K cars back in the 80's. Problem was that turbochargers break down over time and require expensive maintenance.

TANSTAFFL and that includes intercooling and turbocharging.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:31 AM

And this is why I am not going to buy the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma. A twin turbo charged 4 cylinder. That is literally just asking for trouble.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 29, 2024 11:38 AM (QNSds)

161 I'm sure adding 100x more starts to the starter will be fine..
Posted by: Inogame

so far so good.
it's a hot start of a direct injection motor so it can fuel and fire the 1st piston past TDC

Posted by: DaveA at July 29, 2024 11:38 AM (FhXTo)

162 At least some of the victims were taken to a children's hospital. Sky News has a tweet of someone who claims to work nearby saying the attack took place at a pregnancy care center.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 29, 2024 11:39 AM (Y8lzz)

163 142 I don't see now how Ford avoids going through bankruptcy and wiping out the stockholders. It's not just that financials are bad, it's that they're not even close to turning it around yet.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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If there is a Ford family member remaining with a hair of great granddad's genes he can fire Farley (a must) and replace him with an aggressive capitalist.
They are still tooled up for their best sellers and their best engines. Rally that work force and crank 'em out.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 11:40 AM (6ZHNK)

164 OK. That explains Farley. He’s a WEF stooge who only cares about WEF compliance.
But what about the Board? Do they really not care whether Ford continues?
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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The corporate boards are other CEOs etc. and political stooges along with DIE members that get there by the influence of Blackrock, State Street, and Vanguard. Corporate drones know where their bread is buttered.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:40 AM (qdbNv)

165 I have a 2015 Explorer Sport with turbo V-6. I love it. Best vehicle I've ever owned. And I've owned some very good vehicles.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 29, 2024 11:40 AM (g8Ew8)

166 The main problem I have with ford and other auto manufacturers is their ridiculous prices. $100,000 for a full size pickup truck?

Granted the dealers are starting to put discounts in place on most models but the price tag is still way too high for most people to even think of buying a new truck.
Posted by: Mister Scott

We paid $47k for a 2021 F150 with a true "friends & family" discount because my sister's fiance was the GM of the dealership.

THAT'S what unions have done. The only way their slice of the pie gets bigger is to raise the price.
Because material is a fixed cost. Along with stock dividends.

Posted by: rickb223 Buy Ammo & Shelf Stable Foods at July 29, 2024 11:40 AM (+Wnnh)

167 Imagine being told in 2010 that in 15 years you MIGHT be able to find a work truck with crank windows and it will only cost $40K.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:41 AM (loGH0)

168 1978 Lincoln Continental

150 hp and 7 mpg
20 feet long and 2 doors

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 29, 2024 11:41 AM (cf/0E)

169 125 The main problem I have with ford and other auto manufacturers is their ridiculous prices. $100,000 for a full size pickup truck?

If it wasn't for the profits earned on truck/SUVs - Ford (and GM) would be so much closer to insolvency.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 29, 2024 11:42 AM (N39Ws)

170 Thx Buck. When the Ford board of directors and the Ford labor union bosses are all in on the EV BS when reality hits who gets hurt? The Ford workers and the American taxpayers. The board of directors and labor bosses as well as Blackrock etc have gotten their $

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 29, 2024 11:42 AM (9Lk6I)

171 167 Imagine being told in 2010 that in 15 years you MIGHT be able to find a work truck with crank windows and it will only cost $40K.
Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:41 AM (loGH0)

And you’ll have to custom order the full size bed.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:42 AM (oqL6k)

172 I don't understand why companies keep following Democrats off this EV cliff.
Posted by: Ribbed at July 29, 2024 11:22 AM (B0mGw)

Because Rs never reverse the stupid crap the Ds mandate. Rs should make it very clear to companies what happens to them when they take power. But, of course, the GOPe won't.

Posted by: flaming barbed baseball bat that spins at July 29, 2024 11:43 AM (0eaVi)

173 They'll just write it off.

Posted by: Kramer at July 29, 2024 11:43 AM (XeU6L)

174 The short term gain is going to be more than offset by long term maintenance problems.

they don't want people holding onto their vehicles

come back when the warranty runs and buy a new one. you don't want to have to do kong term maintenance on touchscreens and computers anyway -- those will go out first

Posted by: brak

Assuming that the engine computer doesn't have flaws that reduce the maximum speed to 20 MPH. I had one of those with a Chevy Silverado - it's V8 got stuck in 4 cylinder mode, and wouldn't accelerate worth a crap. It needed to be reprogrammed before it was usable again.

Was I notified that this was a known problem? NO. No recall notices, nothing. No more GM vehicles after that.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 29, 2024 11:43 AM (VNX3d)

175 94
‘ I'm not surprised Harris tossed around F bombs.’

A well-known habit of weak people wanting to sound tough.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 29, 2024 11:43 AM (jbnUc)

176 Enjoyed the movie "Ford vs. Ferrari." Can't imagine Deuce Henry Ford II) putting up with this EV crap.

Posted by: MammaB at July 29, 2024 11:44 AM (D6EXc)

177 >>> I want a series with featuring Trump as a private eye. With a beautiful new dame every week. And a chimpanzee as his sidekick.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:33 AM (ISrj/)

Hulk Hogan as the sidekick, a monkey or bald eagle as the loveable mascot.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2024 11:44 AM (Eng1Z)

178 Huh.. been happy with the 2001 Yukon. I intend to keep it going as long as I can.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 29, 2024 11:44 AM (xjTDL)

179 ======
Ask AOP his opinion on the matter. But, from Ford itself,
"Under ideal circumstances, including proper maintenance and disciplined driving habits, a turbo in a 3.5 Ecoboost engine can last up to 150,000 miles. However, this figure may vary depending on the exact model and usage conditions."
Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:37 AM (qdbNv)

I will find out. I've got 2 Fords with turbos. One at 130k and one at 78k.

The only issue thus far was the cold side up pipe on the 6.7.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:44 AM (Zz0t1)

180 The FBI found the loner kid and set him up with resources. Blackrock funded his training and equipment. The Secret service ensured there were security lapses.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 29, 2024 11:44 AM (d9LQi)

181 Any vehicle after about 2018 or so has too much government mandated technology and emissions standards compliance for it to be affordable and reliable over the long haul.

This is by design and is being crammed down our throats.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 29, 2024 11:44 AM (XV/Pl)

182 Stephen Green: Harris Says 'I Will Not Be Silent' About Dead Kids in Gaza War — Unless They're Israeli Kids

https://tinyurl.com/2b4dwhsr

Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:45 AM (ISrj/)

183 Quality declines across the board as third world assemblers simply do not give much of a care about quality of what they make. I am even dubious of brand new 'name brand' repair parts nowadays as so many are defective right out of the box to fix older vehicles.

Boeing shows what happens when quality of components deteriorate--bad things happen.
Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:09 AM (qdbNv)

The modern world is a house of cards. That can work as long as every card is well-made and robust but some CEO discovered that they could cut corners and everything would still be fine. Then other CEOs started cutting corners. We've already been subjected to micro-collapses in the system but C-suites are still convinced that they can shovel more jobs to India / Mexico / wherever and everything will work out. Pain is coming.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 29, 2024 11:45 AM (U7wke)

184 Hulk Hogan as the monkey sidekick.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 11:45 AM (loGH0)

185 And this is why I am not going to buy the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma. A twin turbo charged 4 cylinder. That is literally just asking for trouble.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)
__

Have you seen the recall on the Tundras? They're already having problems, engines are coming apart.

Absolutely zero issues with the previous year V8's, but the new twin turbo V6's are a mess.

People think turbos are a free lunch, but it makes things way more complicated and costly to save maybe 1 mpg.

You're not going to see turbo motors with hundreds of thousands of miles like you saw N/A engines.

Posted by: Blago at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (wMRY8)

186 Cramer told me Farley was a genius. There is a chance he got this one wrong.

Posted by: Oglebay at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (ogTiX)

187 165 I have a 2015 Explorer Sport with turbo V-6. I love it. Best vehicle I've ever owned. And I've owned some very good vehicles.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons
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You can love it but turbos have a lifespan less than that of motors. Most of the plain jane engines built in the late nineties or early 00's without geegaws can last about 200k plus, even up to 300-400k with moderate maintenance.

The problem with turbos is that when they fail, there is a non zero chance it kills the engine via the engine intaking debris from the dead turbo.

And there is no way to predict exactly when they will fail as that requires disassembly and costly labor to do it. At that point, better to stick a new one on it as the labor costs is roughly the same.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (qdbNv)

188 130 I would love nothing more than to see Kuntala Whorris sent to history's gutter dumpster but I think the Steal is going to be too much. Never hoped to be wrong more.
____

If she wins, a lot of her voters next year are going to be in for a rude surprise. "I had no idea. She's awful. We're screwed. If I had only known..."

Posted by: Greta Garble at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (qUkBO)

189 How the hell can Ford mess up their ICE business? I can see being stagnant, and not improving, but to decline?

A bunch if dumbasses if they eliminated their Q C people.

Obviously, Quality is no longer Job One.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (ufFY8)

190 >>> 1978 Lincoln Continental

150 hp and 7 mpg
20 feet long and 2 doors
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 29, 2024 11:41 AM (cf/0E)

And real bumpers.

Posted by: Turn 2 at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (JfxgE)

191 I have a 2014 Silverado CC 5.3L. It has the cylinder deactivation switching between v8/v4 thinking it'll yield better MPG.

Want better MPG? Get rid of the ethanol in gasoline. Ethanol free gas gives me 2-4 MPG improvement on my truck.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (N39Ws)

192 Hulk Hogan as the monkey sidekick.
Posted by: If Moron Robbie

In a gorilla suit, having come to work for Trump from the Gorilla Channel.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 29, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)

193 Mr. Farley deliberately sabotaged the legacy ICE (internal combustion engine) business a few years ago by gutting the engineering and design staff that had successfully made the F150 America’s most popular vehicle...

We ha ann F-150. It was costing us too much money to repair, repair, repair.

We got rid of it. My FIL blessed us with his old Toyota Tacoma, which runs like a dream. Yes, it takes smaller loads, but it works for us.

We also bought a new (first brand new car I've ever owned...) Mazda CX5. We love it.

No more Fords in this family. Mr Farley screwed the pooch.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at July 29, 2024 11:47 AM (Rbu5d)

194 Gotta take the old man to an eye appointment. He's having some sort of laser treatment done.

L8rs.

Be excellent to each other.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 29, 2024 11:47 AM (Zz0t1)

195 Quality is Job ... [checks notes] ... Fifteen.

Posted by: Greta Garble at July 29, 2024 11:47 AM (qUkBO)

196 Lol

@TheBabylonBee
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1h
Sneaky Parents Dress Son Up As A Girl On First Day Of School So Teachers Will Show Him How To Be A

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 29, 2024 11:47 AM (o4IMi)

197 Pain is coming.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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I agree.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (qdbNv)

198 Want better MPG? Get rid of the ethanol in gasoline. Ethanol free gas gives me 2-4 MPG improvement on my truck.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
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Republicans want to win Iowa, so Ethanol mandates and subsidies won't be touched.

Posted by: Blago at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (wMRY8)

199 Farley == Iger

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)

200 I will never buy a vehicle that has that stupid feature. Machines, all machines, have a limited lifespan. It's just the way it is. Your engine restarting ten times on the commute home takes it's toll. And I say that as a dude who is nowhere close to being an engineer.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Misunderstanding Comments for Humorous Effect

It also affects battery life. I just turn it off in my car. It’s not an option to chose, you get it. But you have to turn it off every time you get in the car.

Posted by: Piper at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (p4NUW)

201 Pain is coming.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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I agree.

Posted by: whig

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Sounds fun.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (sX1BW)

202 1978 Lincoln Continental

150 hp and 7 mpg
20 feet long and 2 doors
Posted by: BourbonChicken

And a trunk that would hold 10 dead mobsters.

Posted by: rickb223 Buy Ammo & Shelf Stable Foods at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (+Wnnh)

203 As a Chevy person, I'd like to toss a few stones, but, not like my preferred company hasn't had it's share of failures.

I buy Toyota but I will say that, I believe, Ford has still had one fewer taxpayer bailouts than GM.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 29, 2024 11:49 AM (U7wke)

204 Where are all the shareholder lawsuits??

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 29, 2024 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

205 Want better MPG? Get rid of the ethanol in gasoline. Ethanol free gas gives me 2-4 MPG improvement on my truck.

noooooooo!!!!

Posted by: Farm Lobby at July 29, 2024 11:49 AM (25k9m)

206 Want better MPG? Get rid of the ethanol in gasoline. Ethanol free gas gives me 2-4 MPG improvement on my truck.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (N39Ws)

Yup. We have a Maverick station with real gas, as well as Buc-ees (which is not as close). Wife visits one close to her office. Been seeing more of this with new c-stores.

The difference in performance and mileage is noticeable.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Misunderstanding Comments for Humorous Effect at July 29, 2024 11:49 AM (xPJvm)

207 We also bought a new (first brand new car I've ever owned...) Mazda CX5. We love it.

No more Fords in this family. Mr Farley screwed the pooch.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at July 29, 2024 11:47 AM (Rbu5d)

uhhhhhhh, I’m 90% sure Ford owns/partners/something with Mazda.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:49 AM (oqL6k)

208 buy Toyota but I will say that, I believe, Ford has still had one fewer taxpayer bailouts than GM.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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That was almost exclusively because the Ford family would lose all their shares if they took a government bailout.

Posted by: Blago at July 29, 2024 11:50 AM (wMRY8)

209 Family car when I was a kid was a '72 Ford Country Squire station wagon, complete with fake wood panels and rear-facing rumble seat in the way back.

Thing made mebbe 10 miles a gallon going downhill.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 29, 2024 11:50 AM (LxER7)

210 Want better MPG? Get rid of the ethanol in gasoline. Ethanol free gas gives me 2-4 MPG improvement on my truck.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

Absolutely. Oxygenated fuels have not been useful for EPA emission standards for decades now yet ethanol stays on due to powerful corporate interest groups like ADM etc. and that Iowa is important in presidential primaries.

Get rid of the EPA attainment zone special blends and it makes gas prices nationwide cheaper overnight and the whole system more resistant to damaged oil refineries from hurricanes and fires.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:50 AM (qdbNv)

211 >>> We also bought a new (first brand new car I've ever owned...) Mazda CX5. We love it.

No more Fords in this family. Mr Farley screwed the pooch.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at July 29, 2024 11:47 AM (Rbu5d)

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My 2010 CX-9 shares the same engine as the similar years ford edge, and Lincoln MKS. I wonder the new Mazda's do as well.

Posted by: Turn 2 at July 29, 2024 11:50 AM (JfxgE)

212 The modern world is a house of cards. That can work as long as every card is well-made and robust but some CEO discovered that they could cut corners and everything would still be fine. Then other CEOs started cutting corners. We've already been subjected to micro-collapses in the system but C-suites are still convinced that they can shovel more jobs to India / Mexico / wherever and everything will work out. Pain is coming.

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Decentralization is necessary and the way forward.

Decentralized governments ... decentralized supply chains ... decentralized technology ... decentralized businesses.

Ramp up antitrust ... promote small businesess.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 29, 2024 11:50 AM (sX1BW)

213 Over at insty: the WaPo framed a picture of one of the dead Israeli soccer kids with the headline of an Israeli strike at Lebanon to make it appear that Israel killed lebenese kids.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 29, 2024 11:51 AM (d9LQi)

214 >>> Republicans want to win Iowa, so Ethanol mandates and subsidies won't be touched.
Posted by: Blago at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (wMRY

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Yep.

Posted by: Turn 2 at July 29, 2024 11:51 AM (JfxgE)

215 >>> 180 The FBI found the loner kid and set him up with resources. Blackrock funded his training and equipment. The Secret service ensured there were security lapses.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 29, 2024 11:44 AM (d9LQi)

Michael Yon on July 14th, not quite 5 minute video:
https://shorturl.at/H1dco
He is *not* a fan of Trump so reiterates this and moves on, calls the USSS way fcking beyond incompetent, and spends most of the time talking about Ree Tardy Oswald and the idea of the lone wolf. Oh, and mentions he's doing a multi-day fast, so he's going for gainz Ewok-style.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 29, 2024 11:51 AM (FnneF)

216 Posted by: SH

To quote the Princess Bride--"Life is pain, anyone that tells you different is selling something."

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:51 AM (qdbNv)

217 Toyota fucking up the new Tundra is rather shocking. They just don’t do that.

Posted by: Kumala Word Salad at July 29, 2024 11:51 AM (+eJ8V)

218 will never buy a vehicle that has that stupid feature. Machines, all machines, have a limited lifespan. It's just the way it is. Your engine restarting ten times on the commute home takes it's toll. And I say that as a dude who is nowhere close to being an engineer.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Misunderstanding Comments for Humorous Effect

It also affects battery life. I just turn it off in my car. It’s not an option to chose, you get it. But you have to turn it off every time you get in the car.
Posted by: Piper at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (p4NUW)
______

For years the Caddy models did NOT allow you to shut off the infernal stop/start. How do I know? I had no choice but to take one as a loaner one time. I couldn't figure out how to shut the shit off. So I googled it. Turns out it could NOT be shut off. I think they changed that in 2022 or so.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 29, 2024 11:52 AM (iFTx/)

219 Missy Owens
Strategic Leader | Environmental and Sustainability Policy | Social Impact | Communications | Federal & Diplomatic Relations
Washington, District of Columbia, United States

GM 2022 to Present
More

(She's also a daughter of John & Valerie Biden Owens)
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AP - ‘Honored to have your back, and you have mine': Biden endorsed by United Auto Workers in election, Jan 2024.

And it will turn to Harris.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 29, 2024 11:52 AM (NFX2v)

220 Make all roads down hill!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 29, 2024 11:52 AM (d9LQi)

221 So, I work for Ford, but this is my own private opinion. Our management took the eye off of quality and took the cost reduction by dumping large swaths of engineers. Not just for ICE, but across the board in many cases.
Some engineering has been outsourced to groups in Mexico, Brazil and Europe.

We let lots of experienced engineers go. We've hired lots of software and AI people to manage those that are left, often for less because they work in India or Mexico. Those people are less helpful because they know nothing about the design of the vehicle, they are just checking that you uploaded a document with the right header.

Our quality wouldn't have dropped had Farly and the others continued to focus on it and demand things get fixed. We have had an uptick in semi-conductor shortages still, but in the majority of cases our management has let stuff slide that they would not have before, because it costs money. There is a cost to delay builds until parts are good, to hold stock back for reworks. Instead they rush production and then try to fix stuff after.

Farly and our upper management all believe in a future where no one owns cars, it will all be carshare services.

Posted by: MaximumINC at July 29, 2024 11:52 AM (JGfOX)

222 Been seeing a glut of Teslas on the road over the past few months. It's as if they're being dumped. Yesterday, alone, during a short drive (about 20 miles round trip), I counted a dozen. One was behind me for at least 8 miles before it turned onto another road. They were either white, or black. Does Tesla offer any other color?

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 29, 2024 11:52 AM (iODuv)

223 It is really stupid, when you think about it. To make a road go up hill just to go down hill again.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 29, 2024 11:53 AM (d9LQi)

224 You can love it but turbos have a lifespan less than that of motors. Most of the plain jane engines built in the late nineties or early 00's without geegaws can last about 200k plus, even up to 300-400k with moderate maintenance.

The problem with turbos is that when they fail, there is a non zero chance it kills the engine via the engine intaking debris from the dead turbo.

And there is no way to predict exactly when they will fail as that requires disassembly and costly labor to do it. At that point, better to stick a new one on it as the labor costs is roughly the same.
Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:46 AM (qdbNv)

I guess we'll see if you're right or not. So far I haven't had any problems at all with the engine. Still runs as good as the day I bought it.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 29, 2024 11:53 AM (g8Ew8)

225 179 ======
Ask AOP his opinion on the matter. But, from Ford itself,
"Under ideal circumstances, including proper maintenance and disciplined driving habits, a turbo in a 3.5 Ecoboost engine can last up to 150,000 miles. However, this figure may vary depending on the exact model and usage conditions."
Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:37 AM (qdbNv)
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My 5.3? (330cu in) V8 has 185000 and is going strong.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 11:53 AM (6ZHNK)

226 Perhaps Ford should look back over the recent history of the F 150, say from 2000 on, and determine which model year had the least history of warranty claims, and start building that exact model as the 2025 model. No updates of any kind. At. All.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 29, 2024 11:53 AM (r3G7K)

227 Farly and our upper management all believe in a future where no one owns cars, it will all be carshare services.

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More decentralization will help in limiting the license model of use which is permeating to all forms of prior ownership.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 29, 2024 11:54 AM (sX1BW)

228 66...Robert Downey Jr. Returning To Marvel For Next 2 Avengers Movies As Villain Doctor Doom
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 11:17 AM (L/fGl)

Still not going to go see it.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at July 29, 2024 11:54 AM (Rbu5d)

229 >>> Family car when I was a kid was a '72 Ford Country Squire station wagon, complete with fake wood panels and rear-facing rumble seat in the way back.

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Ours was the 73. I had to drive it in HS in the 80's. Not cool.

Posted by: Turn 2 at July 29, 2024 11:54 AM (JfxgE)

230 Re: Iowa ethanol

1) the IA caucus is now only important to one party, as the D’s said it can’t be first anymore for their party

2) In 2016, Ted Cruz won the primary by telling the ethanol industry, no more mandates, but also no more caps (I.e. the market will decide)

3) I live in IA and know that everyone’s ox will need to be gored to get gov’t spending down to somewhat sane levels. Thus, torch all the gov’t ethanol mandates.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:54 AM (oqL6k)

231 In a lot of ways, the US auto industry is worse than in the 70s and 80s.

They have gone from, "what do we care? They can only buy our cars" to "what do we care? The government will force them to buy only our cars."

But all along the way, they have made millions of Americans lives much, much worse through their support of Democrats.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 29, 2024 11:54 AM (k/XVa)

232 222 Been seeing a glut of Teslas on the road over the past few months. It's as if they're being dumped. Yesterday, alone, during a short drive (about 20 miles round trip), I counted a dozen. One was behind me for at least 8 miles before it turned onto another road. They were either white, or black. Does Tesla offer any other color?
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy
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The first generation of Tesla car rentals are being dumped for firesale prices along with those driven under the typical 3 year lease.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:55 AM (qdbNv)

233 That was almost exclusively because the Ford family would lose all their shares if they took a government bailout.

Posted by: Blago

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And Alan Mulally on the 14th Floor. A totally different company than current version.

Posted by: Michigan Fan Base at July 29, 2024 11:55 AM (jh/pJ)

234 230 Re: Iowa ethanol

1) the IA caucus is now only important to one party, as the D’s said it can’t be first anymore for their party

2) In 2016, Ted Cruz won the primary by telling the ethanol industry, no more mandates, but also no more caps (I.e. the market will decide)

3) I live in IA and know that everyone’s ox will need to be gored to get gov’t spending down to somewhat sane levels. Thus, torch all the gov’t ethanol mandates.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:54 AM (oqL6k)

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The mandates aren't to keep the voters of IA happy.

They're to keep Grassley happy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at July 29, 2024 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

235 If I were a Ford shareholder, I wouldn't be able to watch Tommy Boy without ruefully noting that the wrong Farley died.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 29, 2024 11:55 AM (0FoWg)

236 I wondered if the left's growing enmity for Elon would cause them to dump their precious Teslas. But if they are dumping EV's across the board and switching back to gas or hybrids, then it's more than just Musk.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2024 11:55 AM (Eng1Z)

237 =====

Ours was the 73. I had to drive it in HS in the 80's. Not cool.
Posted by: Turn 2 at July 29, 2024 11:54 AM (JfxgE)

I drove my dad's hand-me-down '66 Mustang. It was not enough to make me cool, however.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 29, 2024 11:55 AM (LxER7)

238 I waited for the new Bronco to come out for years.
$25,000 more than the Subaru I wound up buying last month when the wife's car died.

Posted by: Reforger at July 29, 2024 11:56 AM (xcIvR)

239 We also bought a new (first brand new car I've ever owned...) Mazda CX5. We love it.

No more Fords in this family. Mr Farley screwed the pooch.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at July 29, 2024 11:47 AM (Rbu5d)

uhhhhhhh, I’m 90% sure Ford owns/partners/something with Mazda.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:49 AM (oqL6k)

they do, or at least used to

but there was a noticable quality difference between the mazda badge and the ford badge for what was supposed to be essentially the same vehicle in a lot of cases.

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 29, 2024 11:56 AM (UCRjB)

240 I just turn it off in my car. It’s not an option to chose, you get it. But you have to turn it off every time you get in the car.
Posted by: Piper at July 29, 2024 11:48 AM (p4NUW)
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Weirdly one of my cars, which has the stupid feature, stays off for good if turned off. I have not seen that in another car. I wonder if somehow that was a design “flaw” that ended up being a good thing x

Posted by: Kumala Word Salad at July 29, 2024 11:56 AM (+eJ8V)

241 At least 8 people wounded in a stabbing attack in Southport, England, possibly targeting a Taylor Swift themed children's yoga class.

https://tinyurl.com/498mj9fx

Absolutely no description of perpetrators or suspects. So tranny or Muslim?
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at July 29, 2024 11:29 AM (Y8lzz)

Someone who lost money betting on the SuperDuperBowl.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 29, 2024 11:57 AM (U7wke)

242 At least my namesake car was only a model line and not the the entire company!
Posted by: Edsel Ford at July 29, 2024 11:05 AM (tT6L1)

Well, you can take comfort in the fact that any car or truck* bearing your name is a sought-after collector's item now.

*yes, there were Edsel trucks. I have seen one in a museum in Phoenix.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 29, 2024 11:57 AM (r3G7K)

243 Chris Farley's cousin.

Posted by: My Sweet Lord at July 29, 2024 11:57 AM (zVDqY)

244 Farly and our upper management all believe in a future where no one owns cars, it will all be carshare services.

there it is -- that's the real issue

Posted by: brak at July 29, 2024 11:57 AM (25k9m)

245 The meaning of a hill. The incline. The incline and meaning of a hill. What goes up must come down. But things that come down can also go back up. That's what we have to do. All hills. Together.

Posted by: Kamala at July 29, 2024 11:58 AM (AQGfm)

246 Looking at Real Clear Politics map and Texas pink just hurts my heart.

Posted by: Piper at July 29, 2024 11:58 AM (p4NUW)

247 Harris said that it is "FRIGHTENING" that JD Vance is a "HEARTBEAT" away from the POTUS if Trump is Re-elected

She/it/them/they should know about this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 29, 2024 11:58 AM (rcLES)

248 The mandates aren't to keep the voters of IA happy.

They're to keep Grassley happy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at July 29, 2024 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

The point being is that there is a disconnect between the voters and the ethanol lobby. Not kissing the ring won’t torch your chances to win the caucus.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 29, 2024 11:58 AM (oqL6k)

249 226 Perhaps Ford should look back over the recent history of the F 150, say from 2000 on, and determine which model year had the least history of warranty claims, and start building that exact model as the 2025 model. No updates of any kind. At. All.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Along that line, strip out all the extraneous crap, electronics, touch screens etc - roll up windows, V8, cruise, heat and a/c, just the basics + tow package. Call it Ford 150 Heavy (it's the butch model) And sell it cheaper than Dodge or Chevy.
Put it in the price range of the Tacoma and sell a million.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (6ZHNK)

250 I know someone that just bought a tesla for 35,000.

Posted by: ... at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (AQGfm)

251 Farly and our upper management all believe in a future where no one owns cars, it will all be carshare services.

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It won't be 'no one' . . .

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (jh/pJ)

252 AP - Biden unveils a proposal to establish term limits for the Supreme Court

He speaks at 4:30 pm today.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (NFX2v)

253 I want a series with featuring Trump as a private eye. With a beautiful new dame every week. And a chimpanzee as his sidekick.
Posted by: Robert

Mike Pence will play the chimp.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (L/fGl)

254 My 5.3? (330cu in) V8 has 185000 and is going strong.

Posted by: Braenyard
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If it has a turbocharger on it, it will die. If it does, don't drive the engine until you get it fixed as the risk for destroying the entire engine escalates. The one that I blew back in the day, I knew it immediately from the trail of smoke. Modern synthetic oils don't do that as much.

But mebbe that doesn't matter to you depending on other key expensive components going out like transmissions, etc.

Just figure failure into expected maintenance costs as simply from the odds, making 200k with an intact turbocharger is unlikely.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (qdbNv)

255 Is that old zombie Grassley still a Senator? Jeebus. LOL.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (0FoWg)

256 Posted by: MaximumINC at July 29, 2024 11:52 AM (JGfOX)
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Jeez, that's scary.

They really want us like Cuba.

In 20 years, no one will own a car except those few who are able to keep their non-electric cars running.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 29, 2024 12:00 PM (k/XVa)

257 The meaning of a hill. The incline. The incline and meaning of a hill. What goes up must come down. But things that come down can also go back up. That's what we have to do. All hills. Together.
Posted by: Kamala at July 29, 2024 11:58 AM (AQGfm)

LOL. *golf clap*

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 29, 2024 12:00 PM (g8Ew8)

258 Ask AOP his opinion on the matter. But, from Ford itself,
"Under ideal circumstances, including proper maintenance and disciplined driving habits, a turbo in a 3.5 Ecoboost engine can last up to 150,000 miles. However, this figure may vary depending on the exact model and usage conditions."
Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 11:37 AM

That's nothing for a 2023 or earlier Tacoma. People routinely get 250,000+ miles out of a V6 Tacoma. Mine is a 2016 with just 75,000 miles on it. Barring misfortune it should last me another 15 years and should be the last truck I ever own as I will be 82 then.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 29, 2024 12:00 PM (QNSds)

259 GM had the same type of geniuses running their company. My late brother was one of the senior engineers in charge of the powertrain for the Corvette. GM management decided that for the price of one senior engineer, they could hire three just out of college. He was offered a buyout, but refused to take it. They then assigned him to monitor a supplier in Australia, two weeks there and two weeks back at the Tech Center. He did this for about 4 months before giving up. Absolutely brutal.

Posted by: jwest at July 29, 2024 12:00 PM (VP9ao)

260 Making a bare bones auto, a la Yugo ( without the shitty quality) at a price point of 10k-15k would sell like hotcakes.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 29, 2024 12:01 PM (ufFY8)

261 I want a series with featuring Trump as a private eye. With a beautiful new dame every week. And a chimpanzee as his sidekick.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2024 11:33 AM (ISrj/)

At the end of every episode, when he solves the case, he looks at the camera and says "E. Jean Carroll is a lunatic".

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 29, 2024 12:01 PM (U7wke)

262 but there was a noticable quality difference between the mazda badge and the ford badge for what was supposed to be essentially the same vehicle in a lot of cases.
Posted by: SturmToddler

Quality of assembly makes a difference as does better q and a for components.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 12:01 PM (qdbNv)

263 Yup, he's still in there. 90 years young, and still as useless as tits on a bishop. What a country.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 29, 2024 12:01 PM (0FoWg)

264 JD Vance is just plain weird

_Jthelist.com… weird-things- jd-vance-cant- help-but-notice/
_talkingpointsmemo. Com ...o/jd-vance-vice-president. -controversy
_msn.com… just-sad-j d-vances-latest- weird- campaign- video- draws- derision-and -pity
_time.com… weird-… -trump-vance/
_politico.com … 2024/07/24/ jd-vance-gender-views-
_rollingstone.com … schumer- trump- regrets- weird -vance
_newrepublic.com… jd-vance- weird- terrifying- techno- authoritarian- ideas

In order of appearance, courtesy, DDG

Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 12:02 PM (6ZHNK)

265 Perhaps Ford should look back over the recent history of the F 150, say from 2000 on, and determine which model year had the least history of warranty claims, and start building that exact model as the 2025 model. No updates of any kind. At. All.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Along that line, strip out all the extraneous crap, electronics, touch screens etc - roll up windows, V8, cruise, heat and a/c, just the basics + tow package. Call it Ford 150 Heavy (it's the butch model) And sell it cheaper than Dodge or Chevy.
Put it in the price range of the Tacoma and sell a million.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (6ZHNK)
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I'm not against the concept of basic models in any type of car. But the market has already spoken in rejecting it. Customers want cars and trucks with MORE shit, not less. Even the basic 1/2-ton worktrucks are loaded with shit that would have only been on the top-range model not long ago.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 29, 2024 12:02 PM (iFTx/)

266 Along that line, strip out all the extraneous crap, electronics, touch screens etc - roll up windows, V8, cruise, heat and a/c, just the basics
-/

And nobody would buy it.

Posted by: Kumala Word Salad at July 29, 2024 12:02 PM (+eJ8V)

267 Back in the seventies my old man was a fan of AMC cars. He had a succession of Gremlins, one Pacer , then a Pacer wagon. The Pacer Wagon looked like you were driving a giant fishbowl and handled like one. My mother had an AMC Hornet which actually wasn't bad and was basically a tank. As you can imagine I didn't grow up a car guy

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 29, 2024 12:02 PM (9Lk6I)

268
2) In 2016, Ted Cruz won the primary by telling the ethanol industry, no more mandates, but also no more caps (I.e. the market will decide)

3) I live in IA and know that everyone’s ox will need to be gored to get gov’t spending down to somewhat sane levels. Thus, torch all the gov’t ethanol mandates.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric
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And even Ted Cruz flip flopped and made all the pork barrel stop at some far future date when he would no longer be "President".

I dont care so much about the subsidies (although bad) as I do that we HAVE TO put corn syrup in all our gasoline. It ruins engines if it sits there, especially small engines like chain saws, lawnmowers, etc.

I'm almost fine with just letting the Dems win the state to just get rid of it.

Posted by: Blago at July 29, 2024 12:03 PM (wMRY8)

269 *does better q and a for components.*

Questions and answers?

Quotients and adjectives?

Posted by: Pedantic jerk at July 29, 2024 12:03 PM (DobEs)

270 >>> Harris said that it is "FRIGHTENING" that JD Vance is a "HEARTBEAT" away from the POTUS if Trump is Re-elected

There is also a coordinated boost in the media to label Vance as "weird." Many many articles using that word.

But liberals used to love the word weird! Keep Portland Weird, etc.

Kamala is still dragging her feet on a VP pick so that they can't be attacked yet, but her team get get their claws into Vance at will.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2024 12:03 PM (Eng1Z)

271 Holding on to my 2006 Mustang GT with 372,000 miles on it. Now that I'm retired since 2019, a lot less mileage is placed on it. Still runs great. Upgraded to 500 watt Shaker Stereo system last year with a Kenwood that can read a thumb drive.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 29, 2024 12:03 PM (iODuv)

272 Family car when I was a kid was a '72 Ford Country Squire station wagon, complete with fake wood panels and rear-facing rumble seat in the way back.

Thing made mebbe 10 miles a gallon going downhill.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

Dad had a '69 with the sideways facing rumble seat. May have only gotten 10miles a gallon, but it would do 120 without breaking a sweat.

Posted by: rickb223 Buy Ammo & Shelf Stable Foods at July 29, 2024 12:03 PM (+Wnnh)

273 nood olympics

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 29, 2024 12:04 PM (UCRjB)

274 Posted by: Blago at July 29, 2024 12:03 PM (wMRY

You hate Cruz too? You have to be a lefty plant.

Posted by: polynikes at July 29, 2024 12:04 PM (B1dzx)

275 >>> Yup, he's still in there. 90 years young, and still as useless as tits on a bishop. What a country.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 29, 2024 12:01 PM (0FoWg

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Where else are you going to go when you need a strongly worded letter.

Posted by: Turn 2 at July 29, 2024 12:04 PM (JfxgE)

276 Braenyard, beat me to it! Great compilation.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2024 12:04 PM (Eng1Z)

277 U nas yest' NOOD.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 29, 2024 12:04 PM (v6JzV)

278 Respect my authoritay!!!

What Dictators Do: Mad SCOTUS Isn't Left-Wing Enough, Biden Proposes 'Reforms' to Undermine Its Authority

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 29, 2024 12:04 PM (L/fGl)

279 @273 yes, yes they are. Oh, wait

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 29, 2024 12:05 PM (9Lk6I)

280 And nobody would buy it.

Posted by: Kumala Word Salad
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When the crash comes, people will because they will not be able to finance it and rollover their previous loans. We are at the end of financialization essentially because vehicles are reaching the limit as far as people's ability to pay for them and finance them.

One of the lessons from Argentina (or even Cuba really) is that cars that are easy to work on still get bought. Those that are tech nightmares with expensive parts sit and rust.

Posted by: whig at July 29, 2024 12:05 PM (qdbNv)

281 I dont care so much about the subsidies (although bad) as I do that we HAVE TO put corn syrup in all our gasoline. It ruins engines if it sits there, especially small engines like chain saws, lawnmowers, etc.

I'm almost fine with just letting the Dems win the state to just get rid of it.
Posted by: Blago

Ethanol disintegrates plastics. Especially carburetors of small engines like lawnmowers, generators, atv's, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 Buy Ammo & Shelf Stable Foods at July 29, 2024 12:05 PM (+Wnnh)

282 My 2014 Silverado has 98k on it. Still runs and rides like a top. It just pulled out a friend's F150 that had gotten stuck in the yard. In a week I'm taking it on a road trip to visit my daughter in MI.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 29, 2024 12:05 PM (N39Ws)

283 254 My 5.3? (330cu in) V8 has 185000 and is going strong.

Posted by: Braenyard

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If it has a turbocharger on it, it will die.
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I don't think they put turbochargers on the big V8s.
Maybe on their Harley Davidson but it's not rated to work and people that can afford it don't GAS anyway.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 12:06 PM (6ZHNK)

284 228
‘ Robert Downey Jr. Returning To Marvel For Next 2 Avengers Movies As Villain Doctor Doom

Still not going to go see it.’

I’d go see it if he reprised Lincoln Osiris as Dr. Doom.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 29, 2024 12:06 PM (jbnUc)

285 Yes. That was the 6.2 diesel. It's by any objective measure - a terrible engine. My 6.5 is the "evolution" of that. My engine (P400) is about the best mechanical embodiment of "Lipstick on a Pig" as you can get.
Posted by: Defenestratus at July 29, 2024 11:17 AM (dIg3g)

The "dieselized" small block was the 5.7 Diesel used in Oldsmobiles, and maybe some pickups. Made from a 350 Olds block. The 6.2 and its successor the 6.5 turbo were designed from the ground up as Diesel engines. I have had both. The "electronic" injection pump in the 6.5 was troublesome. More power...when it worked right.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 29, 2024 12:06 PM (r3G7K)

286 "By allowing Farley to continue down this path, Ford’s board of directors is assenting to the failure of this once great company."

Couldn't have said it better. And he's killing the ICE Sector, the only place Ford shows a profit. Maybe Kim Cheatle needs a partner.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at July 29, 2024 12:07 PM (GCYiq)

287 I walked into a dealer to show my wife a car, just to look. Tranny salesthing came over to start selling and talked like a little bitch, bitching about things I brought up, criticizing people whose various complaints I had read, which had generated simple questions.

I don't understand how people like this have a job. Never heard of pretending to listen to buyers or customers?

Posted by: ... at July 29, 2024 12:07 PM (AQGfm)

288 Just figure failure into expected maintenance costs as simply from the odds, making 200k with an intact turbocharger is unlikely.

Posted by: whig
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It's not just the turbo that goes out, turbo engines make a lot more heat. Whole engine itself won't last as long. Oil changes have to be more frequent with higher quality oil. All the plastic shit under the hood also doesnt last as long because its so much hotter.

Consumer spends like $8k to $12k+ more on an engine for it to get like 1-2mpgs better fuel economy and save like $3 a week on fuel. Math doesnt add up.

And you also often times have to use the highest octane (super unleaded) on a turbo car.

Posted by: Blago at July 29, 2024 12:07 PM (wMRY8)

289 I wonder if somehow that was a design “flaw” that ended up being a good thing x
Posted by: Kumala Word Salad at July 29, 2024 11:56 AM (+eJ8V)

Those "flaws" put engineers in jail.

Posted by: Reforger at July 29, 2024 12:09 PM (xcIvR)

290 246
‘ Texas pink just hurts my heart.’

Behold your future.

Posted by: Spirit of California Yet to Come at July 29, 2024 12:10 PM (jbnUc)

291 278. Odd. When the left churned out commie scotus decisions for 40 years, no one said a peep. Shoe is on the other foot for now.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at July 29, 2024 12:10 PM (QyLHS)

292 Along that line, strip out all the extraneous crap, electronics, touch screens etc - roll up windows, V8, cruise, heat and a/c, just the basics
-/

And nobody would buy it.

--

Ha. No moo moo, same as was talked about last time.

They'd sell every single one they could make. People are desperate for simple, quality, low priced transportation.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 12:12 PM (loGH0)

293 The GT has something called an "eco boost" engine. That's not exactly what I want to see in my super car.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 29, 2024 11:27 AM (ogTiX)

I really, really try to avoid any product with the "eco" moniker appended; they are usually inferior in some way.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 29, 2024 12:12 PM (r3G7K)

294 A $25K work truck wouldn't stay on the lot. Even one the size of a last-generation Tacoma.

A real truck, though. Not a unibody car with a truck shell.

Posted by: If Moron Robbie had wanted to watch trannies abuse kids he'd go to a kindergarten at July 29, 2024 12:13 PM (loGH0)

295 The modern world is a house of cards. That can work as long as every card is well-made and robust but some CEO discovered that they could cut corners and everything would still be fine. Then other CEOs started cutting corners.
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See: The American healthcare system, post Obamacare.

Recommended read: 'An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back', Rosenthal.

Posted by: Kramer at July 29, 2024 12:14 PM (XeU6L)

296 I solved the which car to drive by purchasing a gorgeous little 1950 Ford 2dr coupe. It's been restored to daily driver status and someone did a stellar job on it. I got documentation with it that I haven't gone through yet but there is a crap ton with pictures. It was delivered by closed van so hasn't been touched by me yet, this is gonna be fun.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 29, 2024 12:19 PM (hKoQL)

297 so far so good.
it's a hot start of a direct injection motor so it can fuel and fire the 1st piston past TDC
Posted by: DaveA at July 29, 2024 11:38 AM (FhXTo)

What will fail early is the starter solenoid, that big magnetic switch that connects the starter motor directly to the battery upon receiving a command from the ECM (or from the starter button). Every make&break of those fat copper contacts causes a little erosion of them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 29, 2024 12:21 PM (r3G7K)

298 Even the basic 1/2-ton worktrucks are loaded with shit that would have only been on the top-range model not long ago.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 29, 2024 12:02 PM

And priced at or above the top-range models not long ago.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 29, 2024 12:23 PM (mkqgH)

299 Back to the "was the last supper also the Passover celebration? question. No, it was not, JC WAS the Passover lamb. JC was sacrificed at the correct time.

From a scholar on this subject. ... preparation for Passover was not the same as keeping the Passover.

"They intended to keep the Passover, but Judas betrayed Jesus Monday night and he was arrested and tortured all day and night Tuesday and the crucified on Wednesday. The Disciples probably did not even have a Passover meal that year because they were at the crucifixion."

Had the princes of this world known (the Great Mystery of the one body), they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory. Anyway, I know it is established in tradition the other way, but JC as our Passover, once and for all, seems clearer this way.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 29, 2024 12:33 PM (Cus5s)

300 Along that line, strip out all the extraneous crap, electronics, touch screens etc - roll up windows, V8, cruise, heat and a/c, just the basics + tow package. Call it Ford 150 Heavy (it's the butch model) And sell it cheaper than Dodge or Chevy.
Put it in the price range of the Tacoma and sell a million.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 29, 2024 11:59 AM (6ZHNK)

No, you need the power windows and door locks because you can't reach across the cabin to roll the other window down. You need heat and A/C, but give them both manual controls instead of troublesome vacuum actuators. And cruise is nice to have, but not lane-keeping or collision avoidance crap. And just leave a 1.5DIN hole in the dash, and pre-wire the cab for 4 speakers, but let the customer install his own radio of choice.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 29, 2024 12:35 PM (uR5MM)

301 Another DEI victim: Destroy Every Institution.

Ford is just another one on the list.

Great work keeping up with this, Buck! I’m sure most of voting America has no idea.

Posted by: FINGERS at July 29, 2024 12:42 PM (C8ve7)

302 "As Attorney General, Senator Harris instructed to stand every morning as she entered the office and say "Good Morning General"

Thanks for posting this. This would be very harmful if it was widely publicized. Neither Republicans or Democrats like or respect this type of treatment.

Posted by: RM at July 29, 2024 12:45 PM (urbih)

303 Ethanol disintegrates plastics. Especially carburetors of small engines like lawnmowers, generators, atv's, etc.

none of my small engines sees a drop of anything other than ethanol free gasoline.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 29, 2024 12:54 PM (kipvl)

304 "I solved the which car to drive by purchasing a gorgeous little 1950 Ford 2dr coupe. It's been restored to daily driver status and someone did a stellar job on it. I got documentation with it that I haven't gone through yet but there is a crap ton with pictures. It was delivered by closed van so hasn't been touched by me yet, this is gonna be fun."

Awesome! Best of luck with this. Since I was a kid I have always loved that group of 49-51 Fords. Would love to hear updates of how this works out.

Posted by: RM at July 29, 2024 01:20 PM (urbih)

305 Poster boys for the Dow Jones Self-Immolation Index. Disney, Boeing, Ford...

Posted by: Born Free at July 29, 2024 01:34 PM (6kqgf)

306 My grandfather worked for Henry Ford (MISTER Ford, they all called him). He would be furious and disgusted about this.

Leftism = Cancer.

Posted by: Beverly at July 29, 2024 02:51 PM (Epeb0)

307 Ford picked up a CEO from Boeing some time back.
Wanted to dump all the brands like Taurus and Mustang and have everything start with F.

Posted by: MikeN at July 29, 2024 03:17 PM (XygMV)

308 Ford brings back the Edsel

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at July 29, 2024 04:24 PM (wGqjj)

309 Can anyone give me the actual link for this. The link Robbie posted doesn't match the language.
TYIA.

117 overwhelming majority of Americans are supposed to accept a way of life that will be somewhere between the European standard and that prevailing in the Third World.

Globalism is an era when the elites no longer feel restrained by national identity and are thus freer to enrich themselves at their host society's expense, mainly by outsourcing jobs to low-wage countries and by insourcing low-wage labor for jobs that cannot be relocated, such as those in construction and services. That's globalism in a nutshell. This two-way movement redistributes wealth from owners of labor to owners of capital. Businesses get not only a cheaper workforce but also weaker labor and environmental standards. To stay competitive, workers in high-wage countries have to accept lower pay and a return to working conditions of another age. The top 10% are thus pulling farther and farther ahead of everyone else throughout the developed world. They're getting richer ... not by making a better product but by making the same product with cheaper and less troublesome inputs of labor. This is not a win-win

Posted by: Close The Fed at July 29, 2024 06:24 PM (LeNk3)

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