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Hobby Thread Redux - July 20, 2024 [TRex]
Welcome hobbyists! Pull up a chair and a beverage and sit a spell with the horde. Do not adjust your interweb. You've seen this thread (or at least one that looked a lot like this one) before. We're making a second attempt at a genealogy theme. Last week's thread was rudely interrupted by the developments in Butler, Pennsylvania. If events warrant, we'll pivot and adapt.
The horde was just starting to get rolling last week with tales of family history, so let's try it again. I put my thumb on the Ace of Spades wheel of hobbies and made sure it would come up with a theme of family history and genealogy again. So here we are...Who am I? Where did I come from? How did I get here?
Have you traced your family's history? How far back does your knowledge go? Do you have famous (or infamous) ancestors? Have you done research on the web or books? How has family history been passed down to you (i.e., photographs, old family bibles, etc.)? Have you physically visited towns and places in your heritage? Where are your ancestors laid to rest? Do you have favorite sources or techniques for finding family history? Do you have stories of finding unexpected things in your family line? Has anyone unexpectedly contacted you in their family history search? Do you save and scan old photos? Do you have boxes of photos or family papers that need sorting, labeling, scanning, etc.? Do you have old family photos, but no idea who is in them? Have you assembled and published your history? Did anyone get inspired and find anything interesting after last week's thread?
Let's not make a mess of the place by turning the thread into a Jerry Springer episode with crazy family stories. We can also leave aside comments on Mormon theology or marriage practices. We're here to talk about family records and research and history. Politics and current events seem to be infused in everything at the moment, but we can attempt to talk a little bit about hobbies. Play nice in the sandbox and don't feed the trolls.
Click on the cartoon at the top for family-themed music to enhance your hobby thread enjoyment... I guess we can't call it a secret click if I'm telling you it exists but we'll go with mystery click because you have to click to find out what it is.
Dead people are easy to love. It's the living ones who are hard. ~ Laurence Overmire
Genealogy - It's like hide and seek with dead people. You know you're a genealogist if the highlight if your last trip was a cemetery visit. If you can't get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. Why waste your money looking into your family tree? Go into politics and your opponents will do it for you. Genealogy is chasing your own tale.There is a lot to be said for going deep down the rabbit hole of boat passenger lists, census records, military service files, old maps, birth and death certificates, and old newspaper databases. In the era of technology and access to computers, more and more data is being digitized and recorded. On-line databases allow access to treasure troves of information from the comfort of your living room.
Another element involves the exact opposite - researching family history can be an excuse to go places and meet people you would never have been and met otherwise. We've met lovely people (not just family relations), walked numerous graveyards, met caretakers, been invited into homes, shuttled around farmland in a personal car by someone we just met, found charming villages and churches, and traced military unit movements. We like history and appreciate knowing more about our ancestors but genealogy has been a gateway to places and people.Why Is Genealogy Important to Mormons?
Mormons, Genetics, & Digitized Data
Search resources for those not sure where to start:
Do you have an ancestor that came through Ellis Island? Check out the free Ellis Island Passenger Search database. It has 65 million records of passengers arriving to the Port of New York from 1820 to 1957.
The Find-a-Grave website has an enormous database of cemeteries and those resting comfortably in those cemeteries. There are photos of many headstones and family information about other relatives.
FamilySearch is the free equivalent to Ancestry.com. It is run by the Mormon church. A free account is required to dig beneath the surface, but it can be a resource if you're looking for an easy place to start.
National Archives website on military records Most modern records are not available online but the site has information on ways to request records.
The Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System (CWSS) is a database on the National Park Service page with information about those who served in the Union and Confederate armies during the Civil War. The NPS page also has search pages for units, battles, prisoners, and more.
Top tip: if you're doing research, find primary sources - and validate where possible. If you're copying the results of others, you may be repeating and perpetuating mistakes.
US census records can be a valuable source of information. Handwritten information included names, ages, relationships, location, birthplaces and occupations. Many pages have been scanned and are available, but the 1890 records were unfortunately lost in a fire in 1921. Read more history here.
Weird wild stuff I did not know but thanks to the horde for sharing knowledge from last week's thread:
Modern technology - amirite?
“A modern family: 20-plus sperm donor siblings find each other. “When we’re all in a group together, you definitely feel like you’re with your people,” Ryan Kramer said.Sperm donor who fathered 550 children ordered to stop Netflix's 'Man With 1000 Kids' puts a spotlight on the lack of international regulations for sperm donors
Words of wisdom:
"Because despite all our troubles, when things are grim out in that wide round world of ours, that's when it's really important to have a good hobby." Posted by: tankascribe at June 22, 2024 07:41 PM (HWxAD).
If family history is not your thing and you have trouble finding something in the content or comments that resonates with you, you may be beyond redemption. In any case, hijack the thread for your hobbying as you see fit. We will feature a different hobby next time around (caveat: I said that last week too). Send thoughts or suggestions to moronhobbies at protonmail dot com. Ace of Spades is not responsible for skeletons in your closet. Consult Project 2025 for further guidance.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: kactus at July 20, 2024 05:34 PM (twS2i)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 05:36 PM (omVj0)
Posted by: BifBewakski at July 20, 2024 05:36 PM (MsrgL)
Posted by: kactus at July 20, 2024 05:36 PM (twS2i)
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 05:38 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: kactus at July 20, 2024 05:38 PM (twS2i)
https://tinyurl.com/23hj3j7y
This was a Waterloo game played yesterday
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This is from a Wars of Oz playing right now
Running the Quadlings on the Munchkin side
Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2024 05:39 PM (M7fwC)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:40 PM (+H2BX)
I have other brushes, but none feel quite the same way. And the site I bought it from does not have ones exactly like it any more.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 05:41 PM (omVj0)
Posted by: Ciampino - Crazy Casa of Cats #12 at July 20, 2024 05:42 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: mrp at July 20, 2024 05:45 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: BifBewakski at July 20, 2024 05:36 PM (MsrgL)
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Are you sure you're not in the wrong plaice?
Posted by: Ciampino - Crazy Casa of Cats #13 at July 20, 2024 05:45 PM (qfLjt)
They get in the guy's car and off they go. He stops in the middle of nowhere. He beckons them to get out of the car. After they do, he points to some headstones lined up against a fence. When then put in the road or widened, the graves were covered over. But the grave markers were kept.
Sure enough, our ancestors were buried there.
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:45 PM (+H2BX)
Who am I? Where did I come from? How did I get here?
I joke about coming from a long line of illiterate rednecks. I really come from a long line of hard scrabble bond servants straight out of ye olde Georgia penal colony circa late 1700s. Grandpa (maternal side) ran 'shine all over Louisiana until he got horny enough to settle down so that Grandma would marry him. Grandma's maiden name was "Bond", and she played with Bonnie Parker (1st cousins) when they were both little. Grandpa is a cypher enigma. He changed his name in the 1906 census and became a 13 year old. He had already been working LA timber since the age of 7 to support his family as his daddy had skipped town to avoid livestock theft charges. Man knew every trail, backroad, and shortcut throughout LA from his 'shine days.
Posted by: BifBewakski at July 20, 2024 05:46 PM (MsrgL)
Work at a hospice center, where dying people will tell you the craziest stuff that will haunt you your entire life, and swear you to secrecy.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 05:46 PM (bFId9)
My short story "Ant Farm" is in there as by "P.L. Sundeson." When I read the call for submissions earlier this year, I said to myself, "Self, when have you ever written about families?" (Especially seeing as mine was quite dysfunctional.) But then I looked over my short stories again. It seems I've done a lot of tales with family at the core.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 05:47 PM (omVj0)
Professor Gates must be in heaven because BOTH guests had slave holders in their family trees.
"How does that make you feel?"
Posted by: All Hail Eris at July 20, 2024 05:49 PM (kpS4V)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:49 PM (+H2BX)
I can't say I was wholly surprised even then...
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 05:49 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 20, 2024 05:50 PM (Ka3bZ)
Posted by: All Hail Eris at July 20, 2024 05:50 PM (kpS4V)
I've printed out some of the family trees on a big plotter If I print my whole ancestor tree I can fit it in about 3' wide and 18" high. My ancestors were English and French, the oldest I know of from about 1500. They arrived here mostly in Virginia, and North and South Carolina and then spread West.
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 05:51 PM (vFG9F)
She didn't leave me anything because there was a generation of wasters that spent everything.
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:52 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:53 PM (+H2BX)
I suspect my family tree is full of horse thieves, murderers, bank robbers (hello cousin Bonnie), and basic criminals.
Posted by: BifBewakski at July 20, 2024 05:53 PM (MsrgL)
No my mom fucked my dad in college later and swore she was chaste and he believed her.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 05:54 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:54 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2024 05:55 PM (M7fwC)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:45 PM (+H2BX)
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Great story. We've had total strangers show amazing generosity in our family history travels and look back in awe and appreciation. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 05:56 PM (IQ6Gq)
I suspect my family tree is full of horse thieves, murderers, bank robbers (hello cousin Bonnie), and basic criminals.
Posted by: BifBewakski at July 20, 2024 05:53 PM (MsrgL)
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So, people trying to make ends meet or politicians?
Posted by: Ciampino - Crazy Casa of Cats #14 at July 20, 2024 05:56 PM (qfLjt)
I told a bunch of people fucked up stuff because I had no idea what to say.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 05:56 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:56 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 20, 2024 05:56 PM (Ka3bZ)
"The kids in the class were all going to end up as murderers or priests."
Posted by: Ciampino - Crazy Casa of Cats #15 at July 20, 2024 05:58 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 05:51 PM (vFG9F)
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Wow. Love a paper copy of an extensive family tree. Great visual - more than scrolling on the computer. 1500 is WAY back!
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:00 PM (IQ6Gq)
Turned out he had not returned since his tragedy, nobody knew who I am, thought I was some Rasputin character, wholly crazy and Montenegro is like Arkansas Territory back in The Day
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:01 PM (bFId9)
Problem solved and a bit of humor thrown in.
Posted by: JTB at July 20, 2024 06:01 PM (zudum)
It makes me primarily Chinese, but with English, German, Welsh, and Cornish. And that is not even mentioning the step-family. I figure both sides of the family tree would be bemused by the mixture.
Subotai Bahadur
Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at July 20, 2024 06:01 PM (A75st)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:02 PM (+H2BX)
My Irish ancestors came here as indentured servants because they broke the law back in the foreverago. What law you ask well, the British came over and burned all the farm houses and crops. Then they arrested everyone for being homeless beggars and sent them to America to work off their crime. At the end of their sentence they were told if they didn't have a place to go they would be arrested again... In conclusion, there was no "potato famine" (or multiple potato famines).
The Irish (Celts) and Cherokee have been mixing genetics since before Columbus. My grandfather (dads side) got off of the reservation when he was a teen, I think he is 50%. I think my grandmother had some Cherokee blood as well.
My mom's ancestors were Ukrainian farmers and they had a bakery. The Bolsheviks didn't like that so they killed all of the men and raped the women. What was left fled to Germany for a few years before Hitler rose to power. Then they got the hell out and went to the USA.
Liberals think I owe some people reparations
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 20, 2024 06:03 PM (b+QiS)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 20, 2024 05:56 PM (Ka3bZ)
so is most of the Spanish nobility. I wouldn't give it much concern.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 20, 2024 06:04 PM (D7oie)
No my biological male parent was an abusive control freak piece of shit who treated his woman like garbage. Which I assume she thought she deserved due to her straying. I know for a fact that guy was a virgin when he met his future wife. Nah, all my biological family is so warped I said goodbye decades ago.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:04 PM (bFId9)
There's a Croatian family picnic in the center of town every summer and I was in the local butcher shop getting some dried meat for a camping trip and started chatting with the owner who happened to be the Mayor. Find out his wife and I are second cousins. I get an invite to the picnic and wore a tag with my grandmother's maiden name. I had all sorts of folks walking up and telling me stories of their parents and grandparents who knew and worked with my relatives.
Pretty cool stories.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2024 06:05 PM (2n6Sf)
Posted by: Ciampino
Probably trying to make ends meet. My family was definitely part of the targeted reconstruction efforts after cw1 and embraced the wrong side of the law a little too firmly.
The paternal side gets pee-ohed at siblings very easily and refuses to either speak to, or introduce the offspring to the rest of the family. "Don't want you getting ideas of poor behavior from those a-holes". I know I have family in the Amarillo region, but no idea whom hy are or how to contact them. Dad refused to speak about them when he was alive, and Mom pretends to not know anything at all. Wayward uncle that I've met twice in my 29+ years hints but won't say squat.
Posted by: BifBewakski at July 20, 2024 06:05 PM (MsrgL)
Posted by: Kindltot at July 20, 2024 06:06 PM (D7oie)
Lean into it.
Who cares about what went before.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:06 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:07 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 06:07 PM (5MvGY)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:07 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:09 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: JTB at July 20, 2024 06:01 PM (zudum)
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I imagine a lot of that happened. Same with Ellis Island names and spellings. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
I hope you had a nice glass of red and some smoked meat and cheese and fruits while perusing. I bet it was lovely.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2024 06:10 PM (2n6Sf)
Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2024 06:11 PM (M7fwC)
My mom also said that her grandfather married an Indian (feather, not dot) princess and that I was 1/8th Indian. Cato tribe of the Choctaw nation. LOL. Complete bs.
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:11 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 20, 2024 06:11 PM (CHHv1)
Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2024 06:11 PM (M7fwC)
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Happy travels Skip. Hope you had a good event. Thanks for checking in.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:12 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: Grateful at July 20, 2024 06:12 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:12 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 06:07 PM (5MvGY)
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Happy to know that. Thank you.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: JTB at July 20, 2024
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I imagine a lot of that happened. Same with Ellis Island names and spellings. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024
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The story goes that when German families came to Lousy-ana, the French had no idea what they were saying. So "Zweig" (sounding like "twig") became LaBranche.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 06:13 PM (omVj0)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 20, 2024 06:11 PM (CHHv1)
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I checked out your YouTube site today. Alpha Centauri wouldn't surprise me.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:14 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 20, 2024
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Thanks, Vmom. This is the second story I've placed in an anthology through hearing about the editor or the press via AoSHQ.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 06:15 PM (omVj0)
Dad's side: A guy left money to his brother's nephews. We think he was trying to leave the money to his immediate brother's children and his own children. The legal beagles looked at that and said "no", you have to take that back as far as you can to find *all* the nephews. They traced it back to sometime in the 1500s in Northern France and then forward to the '60s. Dad got a $1000 bucks.
Mom's side: A women came over as an indentured servant to a robber baron. The robber baron adopted her and when he died he left her $250,000 (as near as I can tell in about 1900) if she married a catholic by the time she was 21. As she approached 21 her guardian, a widower, told her she was going to lose her inheritance if she didn't marry soon. Who could he contact for her. She said I've always loved you. They were married.
On one of their 4 trips to Europe the met Madam Curie, she asked my grandmother who was pregnant at the time to name the child after her. One of my uncles. One their last return to the States as they were about to board a coach pulled up and the couple *had to onto the ship immediately*. My grandparents waited for the next ship, the Lusitania sailed and was sunk.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:15 PM (JV1rp)
I've had a bunch of interesting experiences, but the most interesting was figuring out who was my paternal grandfather. Dad was adopted and reconnected with his biological mother. She mentioned a name to him that was supposedly his biological father. I had the Ancestry DNA test done as did my mother. Dad and his biological mother have passed.
In reviewing my paternal matches, I found that they were all related to one group or another (being his father's relatives or his mother's). I know some of my paternal grandmother's relatives and was able to quickly figure out which group was related to her. Looking at the posted family trees of the remaining group all linked together under two family names. Using those trees and the common elements, I was able to figure out my paternal grandfather's parents, and as a result, him.
Posted by: ERF at July 20, 2024 06:16 PM (qqD/x)
Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 20, 2024 06:17 PM (MeG8a)
Hence my all time favorite immigrant joke! Guy comes before a judge after immigration, says he wants to change his name. Judge asks What is your name now?
"Abraham Fucker."
Judge says, "Oh my yes of course, what would you like your name to be?"
"Isaac Fucker!"
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:18 PM (bFId9)
Miss Linda bought me the Ancestry thing and has found out plenty of stuff about my parents that I never knew, and now in some cases wish I still didn't.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 06:19 PM (omVj0)
Then Edward the Black Prince then Richard the colonist Austin.
Who sailed to the new world on The Bevis along with the last lady to die as a result of the Salem Witch Trials. Not from burning at the stake but in prison waiting for her appeal on her second accusation and trial by thye three little shits. Of wearing clothing not of her status. A veil of silk.
My journey started as an idea for a Christmas present to my nieces and nephews of their (my side) family history.
Still hasn't ended 10 years later.
One side of my moms family consumed me.
Which saved me from having to do one side of my dad.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2024 06:19 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: Grateful at July 20, 2024 06:20 PM (IQ6Gq)
Luckily I got dna tests on Mrs. Red’s parents before they passed. MIL clearly belongs to a different family line than the records show. And one of her sisters does not share the same father with her.
Austria Hungary families came over to the coal mines of Pennsylvania. Often orphaned kids ended up with relatives. Lots of second wives after first died in childbirth. European government records didn’t make it through lots of wars, but the church records did.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:20 PM (2tKzk)
Posted by: Joe Biden at July 20, 2024 06:20 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:15 PM (JV1rp)
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Wow. Just wow.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:21 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 06:22 PM (5MvGY)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:24 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:24 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:25 PM (JV1rp)
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 06:26 PM (aT5K/)
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:20 PM (2tKzk)
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We've found that, in many cases, the churches kept the records instead of governments. Not sure when that started to change, but that's probably the only reason that many records survived.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
Note: two teenage brothers went missing in the 1650s and the book notes they were kidnapped by Indians, not unheard of for the time and place.
Posted by: JTB at July 20, 2024 06:27 PM (zudum)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:27 PM (+H2BX)
My ancestors are criminals, weaklings, and psychopaths.
I just don't have any good ancestors, the best thing any of us did was mind our own fucking business.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:28 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2024 06:28 PM (LkLld)
Irish Scottish English back to 1066 Norman invasion. Came to Ipswich Mass in 1629.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:28 PM (2tKzk)
Posted by: Son of Dad at July 20, 2024 06:29 PM (8JB5s)
Cool.
We had a box of old photos, one of my sisters cut them all up and made a collage of them. Of course each photo was then without any references and a waste of paper. Sigh.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:29 PM (JV1rp)
Posted by: Paco at July 20, 2024 06:29 PM (njExo)
Posted by: runner at July 20, 2024 06:30 PM (V13WU)
Not so much.
Mostly some other European trash.
In the grand scheme of things it hardly matters.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 20, 2024 06:30 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Impudent Warwick at July 20, 2024 06:30 PM (f/6Wb)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:32 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2024 06:32 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2024 06:32 PM (o2ZRX)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 06:32 PM (5MvGY)
Sir Bevis was the subject of some a poem from about that time. His sword, Morglay, is hanging in the Arundel Castle in England. It's 5' 9" long.
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 06:32 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Son of Dad at July 20, 2024 06:29 PM (8JB5s)
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This is a brutal truth. Family history isn't as important to the young. When we're older and take an interest in such things, the generations that came before are gone or going. What we wouldn't give for an hour to ask questions of our elders.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:33 PM (bFId9)
Turns out his father wasn't who she said, but another teenager who lived on the next farm. It was 1944 and they were both teens. Don't think he ever knew, but she was shipped away until she had the baby.
He did end up with a broken arm from "messing around in a barn and fell' as I found in the newspaper articles at that time, oddly enough.....
Posted by: ERF at July 20, 2024 06:34 PM (qqD/x)
Posted by: Piper
That's very cool Piper. Congrats.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:34 PM (JV1rp)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:35 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 06:32 PM (vFG9F)
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I read this as "Sir Beavis" the first time through. Heh, heh, heh... Sorry/not sorry.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:35 PM (IQ6Gq)
I also know some of my birth parents genealogy thru my kids doing Ancestry. I watch from a distance but it's an interesting connection, too.
Posted by: LASue at July 20, 2024 06:36 PM (Kcw7x)
Sir Bevis was the subject of some a poem from about that time. His sword, Morglay, is hanging in the Arundel Castle in England. It's 5' 9" long.
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Close enough ! Go over and claim it !
Posted by: runner at July 20, 2024 06:36 PM (V13WU)
"So then me Great great grandfather Pablo went to Oaxaca, and then-"
Me: Eyeroll, much alcohol consumption
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:36 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: polynikes at July 20, 2024 06:36 PM (B1dzx)
I think the best reason i do this is to realize how much we have in common regardless of heritage. The number of dirt poor immigrants from Europe who came over very often made good in that generation or the next.
America was THE place to go. And even though I see all sorts of polish ,Ukrainian, etc. social clubs in the records, theyvery much realized that this was their country.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:37 PM (2tKzk)
Anyone shocked or surprised? 😂🤣
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 06:37 PM (p4NUW)
Wow, it sure does. I was looking at some property not 5 miles from there recently. One of my sisters is buried at Andersonville, and my parents will be.
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 06:37 PM (vFG9F)
LOL. My grandfather won a submarine race.
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:37 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:38 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 06:38 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:53 PM (+H2BX)
Take the first two and the last two and that was us.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 06:38 PM (0eaVi)
Agreed, but have to have an older relative who is willing. I couldn't trust anything my mother told me, she just made up stuff (recent research has confirmed all the stories as fantasy). If my father didn't remember the person, it just didn't mean anything to him. I recall trying to learn about Dad's fathers mother - my father insisted he never met the woman, knew nothing about her. BUT, when I was able to determine her name was Margaret, and told him, he seemed to zone out (I was concerned it was a medical event), yet he came out of it saying "Marcie." Seems he then recalled a little woman all dressed in black and Marcie was what everyone called her. That was a true gift.
Posted by: Grateful at July 20, 2024 06:38 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
Hear, hear! Boy, I wish I had listened harder when I was a child.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:38 PM (2tKzk)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 20, 2024 06:39 PM (v6JzV)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 05:54 PM (+H2BX)
Us too. Except the 40s for war work.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 06:40 PM (0eaVi)
Posted by: TRex"
Bevis and Butthead are hilariously stupid. I may actually be related.
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 06:40 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2024 06:40 PM (o2ZRX)
My sister is theoretically Swedish, English and Polish.
My parents are Croatian/Slovenian.
My grandparents came from the old country about 100 years ago.
Of course, I have no clue who my biological parents are, since Sis and I were adopted.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 20, 2024 06:41 PM (ufFY8)
My father was also a year older than she'd told me, born in '06 instead of '07. I think he was born somewhere up the Miss. River from the city, and they moved down here when he was small. Until he was about fifteen they lived in the uptown area; then his father bought a rooming house not far from what is now part of the big medical complex outside the central business district. The rooming house is now an upscale apartment building.
A newspaper item we found stated he was in a car accident when he was about twenty, flipped a Model T he was driving with some friends in it. (Nobody was injured, apparently.) I guess that's why he hated to drive over 30 mph.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 06:42 PM (omVj0)
He brought it back to the church and they had to swap it back and forth to finalize the ceremony. Arturos grandmother insisted on being buried with that nut. Of course her husband bought her a much nicer gold ring but to her, she always kept it.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:44 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 20, 2024 05:56 PM (Ka3bZ)
so is most of the Spanish nobility. I wouldn't give it much concern.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 20, 2024 06:04 PM (D7oie)
We have quite a few "Jewish" family names, but as far as I can tell, no one was.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 06:44 PM (0eaVi)
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:24 PM (IQ6Gq)
Im convinced every living person, no matter how mundane their lives appear, could have an interesting movie made about them and their family history. Particularly Americans.
Plus, if we go back far enough, we're all related, which makes it extra interesting.
Posted by: LASue at July 20, 2024 06:45 PM (Kcw7x)
The Lusitania, wow!
The father of one of my schoolmates in Nairobi (1960s) was a sailor in WW2. The batt;eship HMS Hood. When the fleet sailed to chase the Bismarck, he was in hospital with a broken leg. For those who don't know, HMS Hood was hit by Bismarck's second salvo, exploded and sunk in a few minutes. IIRC there were 3 survivors out of over 1400 sailors.
Posted by: Ciampino - Crazy Casa of Cats #16 at July 20, 2024 06:45 PM (qfLjt)
Mrs. Red’s Great Grandparents were supposedly a few years apart in age. Yeah. When they got married, he was 28 and she was 15. Cute little thing, too.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:46 PM (2tKzk)
I will have to try and check that area to see if my surname exists out there. My home area (Gary, IN) has a large Croatian community also.
I haver never seen my surname outside of my area.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 20, 2024 06:46 PM (ufFY8)
I'm basically a Viking with some neanderthal thrown in.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 20, 2024 06:46 PM (MeG8a)
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
Hear, hear! Boy, I wish I had listened harder when I was a child.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024
***
I listened, but I didn't ask enough of the right questions. I'd have wanted to know what movies my mother went to see, what she liked and didn't (I know she liked Clark Gable); what the downtown part of NO looked like; what day-to-day life was like. She didn't know or care about cars, so I wouldn't have been able to ask about those.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 06:46 PM (omVj0)
My dad showed them his birth cert., which had the birthdate of his father which matched the life insurance co.
They paid the benefit.
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:46 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2024 06:46 PM (LkLld)
Lean into it.
Who cares about what went before.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:06 PM (bFId9)
You're right, of course. I used to be interested, but, now I'm not really. I only care about the relatives I knew. The X times grandfather buried in Durham England never knew me, so it doesn't really matter that we're related. Everyone's related to each other, if some old book is to be believed.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 06:47 PM (0eaVi)
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 06:32 PM (vFG9F)
I found him looking for the source of the Bevis name on Richard Dummers ship. The Bevis.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2024 06:47 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: Jamaica at July 20, 2024 06:47 PM (IG7T0)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20
Ha! Your first clue was Princess. There were no Native American Princesses. I will say there are probably more descendants than we realize, only because you aren’t considered Native American unless you can find your ancestor on the Dawes Roll, and this didn’t include every tribe out there. Just the bigger ones. To get a tribe card, you have to be a provable percentage, and the Tribes very on what that percentage is. They don’t take dna as proof. The reason for that is there isn’t a lot of Native American participants, so matching is hard. You will show Native American, which is recent, but not specific tribes.
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 06:49 PM (pZEOD)
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
Hear, hear! Boy, I wish I had listened harder when I was a child.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:38 PM (2tKzk)
When my mom was 92, on the spur of the moment when I was visiting I sat down with her and my laptop and asked to interview her. I just asked her questions about the stories I had heard forever when I was growing up, but just took for granted and didn't really think about. Afterwards, I printed out what I had written and she edited it, adding a few details (and correcting some of my grammar!) . She died the following year, and I cherish that written memorial.
Posted by: LASue at July 20, 2024 06:49 PM (Kcw7x)
Congrats on the story being published. Just ordered a copy.
Pipe tobacco note. Seattle Pipe Club has a new limited release: Hogshead. (There have been earlier versions.) This year it features aged Virginias of various types, aged in bourbon barrels and pressed into a crumble cake. I've only tried one bowlful so far but it is damn good. Slow burning with lots of flavor and some natural sweetness. It's pretty expensive but if you like Virginia tobacco it might be worth a try. The official release date is next Tuesday but my local tobacconist got some in this morning and gave me a heads up.
Posted by: JTB at July 20, 2024 06:50 PM (zudum)
What makes you think that they would tell the truth?
"Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story." - my Dad
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:51 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: Reforger"
Yep. Puritan ship I think. I don't know if any of my ancestors were on it but I've heard of the ship.
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 06:51 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 06:51 PM (5MvGY)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 06:42 PM (omVj0)
***
This is another angle of family history I find fascinating. It doesn't resonate with everyone, but standing on the ground that an ancestor trod a century or more ago makes the multi-generation journey a little more tangible. Yes, buildings change and disappear, and fields can become forests and visa versa, but still...
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 06:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
I don’t know them from Adam, yet each had a life that could be a movie, as noted above.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:51 PM (2tKzk)
Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at July 20, 2024 06:52 PM (JLq/1)
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:53 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: Piper
I've got the card.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:53 PM (JV1rp)
Oh, and the sapphires.
Posted by: Wenda at July 20, 2024 06:53 PM (ryt6Q)
Posted by: LASue
You're a lucky woman.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:54 PM (JV1rp)
Posted by: LASue
I love this!
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 06:55 PM (p4NUW)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 06:55 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 06:56 PM (5MvGY)
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 06:56 PM (p4NUW)
However nothing in it is straight or square...
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:56 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 20, 2024 06:56 PM (CHHv1)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 06:51 PM (5MvGY)
Definitely!. It's one of the 5 things I would grab in a fire. I urge any Moron lucky enough to still have a living parent or even another elder relative to take a few hours and try it. I guarantee it will be a treasure for you and your family.
Posted by: LASue at July 20, 2024 06:57 PM (Kcw7x)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 20, 2024 06:46 PM (omVj0)
Lots of stuff like that. Knew my maternal gma liked Louise Brooks, because she took Louise as her middle name. They didn't have middle names at the time she was born. Also knew Will Rogers in Claremore.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 06:58 PM (0eaVi)
However nothing in it is straight or square...
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024
Wait….you aren’t my exhusband, are you?
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 06:59 PM (p4NUW)
His first wife, a French girl he met in France during WWI, was in the Ellis Island database. She arrived in America at 16 years old.
He got another wife, then his third and fourth wife was my grandma, who divorced him for cheating with a neighbor girl, then remarried him.
After that he went back to his second wife. Who I met just before she died, and she told me he was a jerk and a bad man with anger issues.
He left my father and his two sisters fatherless and destitute in the Great Depression. That my Father became the greatest man I have ever known is proof of having a goal and working towards it.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 20, 2024 06:59 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:54 PM (JV1rp)
Truly, beyond measure.
Posted by: LASue at July 20, 2024 06:59 PM (Kcw7x)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 07:01 PM (JV1rp)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July
That is my middle name, after my Great Grandmother on my mom’s side. I always wanted the French pronunciation to be exotic. But nope. It’s Lu eze .
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 07:02 PM (p4NUW)
My sister says they loved it, but she could be stretching the truth.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:02 PM (2tKzk)
I don’t know them from Adam, yet each had a life that could be a movie, as noted above.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 06:51 PM (2tKzk)
Sure, but when that X times gpa was put in the ground in 1577, he had no idea the next gen was going to come to America. He couldn't conceive what was to come, and I can't conceive what his life was in rural late renaissance Britain.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 07:03 PM (0eaVi)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 07:03 PM (5MvGY)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
Pawnee, the Oklahoma ones who ended up in Texas.
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 07:03 PM (p4NUW)
But I'm not structuring my life around it.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 07:03 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 06:51 PM (vFG9F)
Yep. The manifest is on line as well as a lot of other info on those people.
Carpenter, Rehoboth, Dummar and Austin and subsequent indentured servants.
There is a book in that story. Chased out of England at the begining of the disolusion of the monestaries.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2024 07:03 PM (xcIvR)
Turns out there is a small art gallery/cooperative in town, mostly artists in the Northern Virginia/Maryland area. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality and diversity of styles and topics. And I got to talk to a couple of the artists about why they are attracted to certain subjects, styles and techniques. And I could get within inches of the paintings. It was a very enjoyable and revealing visit.
Posted by: JTB at July 20, 2024 07:04 PM (zudum)
Posted by: Ben Had at July
And we are lucky ducks to have you. You are an absolute gem.
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 07:04 PM (p4NUW)
Depends on the person. Some guys emulate rotten fathers and become even worse lowlife shitheels.
Others look around and see neighbors with good families succeeding, look at their own dads, and say "ok, now I know what you *don't do*."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 20, 2024 07:05 PM (0FoWg)
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 07:05 PM (bFId9)
Posted by: Piper
I've got the card.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 06:53 PM (JV1rp)
I have the letter my paternal gma's family sent to the Chickasaw tribe in 1910 asking to be enrolled. I don't know what happened, but I wrote to the tribe during the Fauci Fakery, and they never responded. So, I don't know how much native, if any, my gma was.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 07:06 PM (0eaVi)
Ve haff vays of making you drink.
Posted by: DaveA at July 20, 2024 07:06 PM (FhXTo)
I've got the card.
Posted by: AZ deplorable
Me too! What tribe?
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 06:56 PM (p4NUW)
I havecall the paperwork together to get my granddaughter's tribal card. Her dad has membership in the Lumbee tribe in NC.
Posted by: Redbanzai at July 20, 2024 07:06 PM (JOR6L)
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:07 PM (2tKzk)
Posted by: Ben Had
It is a great community and you're a great part of it!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 07:07 PM (JV1rp)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 20, 2024 07:07 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 07:02 PM (p4NUW)
That's how she said it.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 07:08 PM (0eaVi)
I had a family tree drawn up based on the best recollections of everyone I could talk to, but there were noticeable holes, especially with respect to my father's mothers grandmothers. Also, my dad swore up and down we had French and Indian ancestry, but no details to back it up.
On my mother's side, well, her father was nearly a full-blooded Englishman but her mother was half Swede and was born in Pennsylvania.
So, off to the races. Thanks to DNA testing and figuring out how folks anglicized various foreign surnames, I figured out the 2nd great grandmothers on dad's side (Speidel and Nixon) and the origin of the French/Indian stuff (french-canadien Gregoire dit Nantais and Ojibwa Indian, plus an Acadian Blanchard). Mom's mom turned out to be Pennsylvania Dutch in her unknown half and seems to be related to everyone in Westmoreland and Venango Counties.
Last but not least, I assumed most of my ancestors immigrated directly to the U.S. Wrong. A goodly chunk of them landed in Canada first and then decided the U.S. was a better place to be.
Heh.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 07:09 PM (/HDaX)
I've an actual Cook County BC. Notarized, foot print, Mom & Dad signatures. May already have doubled as voter registration.
Posted by: DaveA at July 20, 2024 07:09 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: LenNeal
Get an epi pen and carry it to those types of events.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2024 07:09 PM (JV1rp)
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee is dead.
Now we'll NEVER get those U S flags left behind by Apollo astronauts returned to us by the Mars rovers!
Posted by: Our Slope-Averse Secret Service at July 20, 2024 07:10 PM (xG4kz)
How about that! My great-great-great grandfather Solomon fought for a North Carolina outfit (I don't have the info right at hand) and died of amebic dysentery - the fate, I imagine, of many, if not most, prisoners at Elmira.
Posted by: Paco at July 20, 2024 07:10 PM (njExo)
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:07 PM (2tKzk)
Nothing wrong with that. I just wouldn't want anyone to know I was hanged as a horse thief....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 07:11 PM (0eaVi)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 20, 2024 07:07 PM (u82oZ)
Salty, they already are. I’ve seen a number of brushes with the law in my ancestry research.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:12 PM (2tKzk)
🍹
🍹
🍹
Your heart is so big; we are all part of your extended family. I would use your example as a parable on getting out of life what you put into life. Because you Rock!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 20, 2024 07:12 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 20, 2024 07:13 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20
Chickasaw are on the Dawes roll. You can look it up on archives.gov. Once you have that, you need to go to the Chickasaw Nation website with your Certificate Degree of Indian Blood, and then fill out the application with all the supporting documentation showing your lineal relationship to the person on the Dawes Roll.
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 07:13 PM (p4NUW)
So much for kindness. He is back to bashing Joe Biden.
"I cannot spare the man. He fights."
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 07:14 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:12 PM (2tKzk)
Same here. On my dad's side, one relative got shot dead as a San Joaquin river pirate. Another got jailed as a San Francisco madam.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 07:14 PM (/HDaX)
Last but not least, I assumed most of my ancestors immigrated directly to the U.S. Wrong. A goodly chunk of them landed in Canada first and then decided the U.S. was a better place to be.
Heh.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy
Did they a tually pause and live in Canada, or were they simply passing through?
On my maternal side, one family from Norway entered North America at Quebec City in late 1869 and moved on to Chicago, IL. Which burned down about eleven months after they arrived (they did not own a cow).
Posted by: Our Slope-Averse Secret Service at July 20, 2024 07:15 PM (xG4kz)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 07:15 PM (5MvGY)
No records of this. Yet.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:16 PM (2tKzk)
I'm in the same boat...some cousins left, but everyone else in my biological family has passed. But I, like you, cherish the family we make on this earth. And that most definitely includes you and this Horde
Posted by: Grateful at July 20, 2024 07:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 07:18 PM (p4NUW)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 07:19 PM (5MvGY)
Suicide by firearm, prison sentences, and murdered by having been stabbed to death are among the unsavory modes of expiring among my preceding family members (or their close relations).
Posted by: Our Slope-Averse Secret Service at July 20, 2024 07:19 PM (xG4kz)
I found a 1911 newspaper article where both of Mrs. Red’s GGPs died within a few months of each other. An “uncle” (actually a distant cousin) kidnapped the 8 kids and took them home. $2,000 of life insurance money was at stake.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:19 PM (2tKzk)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 20, 2024 07:20 PM (IyPmt)
Ben Had, I'm bringing a bottle of the red stuff and we will toast!
Posted by: Grateful at July 20, 2024 07:20 PM (IQ6Gq)
No sense in researching, here.
Posted by: JQ at July 20, 2024 07:20 PM (njWTi)
Posted by: Talking Heads at July 20, 2024 07:20 PM (8sMut)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 07:09 PM (/HDaX)
***
Hmmm... I have Westmoreland, PA blood starting in the late 1790s.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 07:21 PM (IQ6Gq)
To the early 1700's. I quit when I found one that was given hard labor for stealing a pint of gooseberries. I don't tell the kids about him, though I suppose it might be an object lesson regarding bad behavior.
One I was quite pleased with, who was called before a Parliamentary Committee to answer for vote-buying. To the extent to which he was in opposition to none other than Anthony Trollope (a Liberal), I'm not too disturbed.
One escaped hanging in the aftermath of the Monmouth Rebellion, but was shipped to Barbados as a bond slave. His son immigrated to Charleston, and here I am.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 20, 2024 07:22 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 20, 2024 07:22 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 20, 2024 07:20 PM (IyPmt)
You don't need another claim to fame- That one is incredible
Posted by: LASue at July 20, 2024 07:22 PM (Kcw7x)
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:23 PM (2tKzk)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 07:23 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 07:23 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Lirio100 at July 20, 2024 07:23 PM (I5U35)
I am doing my genealogical research wholly by examining digitized records -- no DNA testing of this kid, nosiree!
Now, if someone shows up in my tree who happened to run a DNA test, I will follow them and where their research leads, but I will locate the paper records that document who was who and what was what.
Posted by: Our Slope-Averse Secret Service at July 20, 2024 07:23 PM (xG4kz)
Thanks to all for sharing your stories. This has been fun. I'm still waiting for disparate hordelings to find out that they're related though.
Tune in next week and we'll do a hobby thread with a different theme. Thanks for being here.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 07:24 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 07:24 PM (+H2BX)
On my maternal side, one family from Norway entered North America at Quebec City in late 1869 and moved on to Chicago, IL. Which burned down about eleven months after they arrived (they did not own a cow).
Posted by: Our Slope-Averse Secret Service at July 20, 2024 07:15 PM (xG4kz)
Naw, most of them stayed a spell. On my mother's Kingsford side. my 3rd ggrandfather left Kent, England and emigrated to Norwich, Ontario. His son Alfred was born there but eventually emigrated to Michigan.
On my father's side, well, they crossed the border between Quebec/Ontario and Michigan/New England states like it wasn't there.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 07:25 PM (/HDaX)
Posted by: JQ at July 20, 2024 07:25 PM (njWTi)
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 07:13 PM (p4NUW)
Thanks. Some of the names are hard to read. I know my gma's name, but her birthday is wrong in the letter. I'm not sure I have any info on the others in the family. Wasn't expecting to get membership, as I told the tribe in my letter, just wondering if it was true about the Indian blood.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 07:25 PM (0eaVi)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 07:25 PM (5MvGY)
My dad's mom was a Scots-Irish mutt with some Indian blood in the mix, so that's all pretty murky. His dad was a Great Russian, but nothing is known of that branch as he was the only who wasn't shot by fucking Communists. Happened to be out of the country in Egypt when everything went to shit.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 20, 2024 07:26 PM (0FoWg)
We may well be related. Any hints on the long ago surname?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 07:26 PM (/HDaX)
LOL I pray for them all. Yes. I am Catholic and I pray for the dead.
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 07:26 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: fd
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Bette Davis is a traceble cousin of mine. I'll trade her for Faye.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 20, 2024 07:27 PM (XeU6L)
We may well be related. Any hints on the long ago surname?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 07:26 PM (/HDaX)
***
My email is on the nic hyperlink. Send me a note.
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
The frigging Green Knight?
Robin Hood?
Naill of the nine hostages?
Satan himself?
C'mon.. but it is on the internet.
I actually started this journey a long time ago trying to chase down my wife's family in England using the LDS site before they locked it down and became Ancestry.com.
We, at the time thought her birth mom was dead as she had been told all her life. Turns out she wasn't and was looking for my wife too. Found her through a messagge board on Yahoo.
That is a long frigging story worthy of a TV eppisode.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2024 07:28 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc
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Do you have her eyes?
Posted by: JQ at July 20, 2024 07:28 PM (njWTi)
As an aside, any time I applied for a secret clearance, it went well, until it was time to mention my mother was born in Germany. After the war, mind you. But nonetheless, any time I mentioned my mother was born in Germany it raised a red flag on the clearance paperwork, and I'd always have to elaborate on that further.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 20, 2024 07:28 PM (8sMut)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2024 07:28 PM (5MvGY)
One of my ancients was name 'Thankful'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 20, 2024 07:28 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 20, 2024 07:28 PM (0eaVi)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 07:29 PM (/HDaX)
Posted by: Joe Kidd at July 20, 2024 07:29 PM (n7FLE)
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2024 07:29 PM (2tKzk)
Try a year or two earlier. Or later
"A gentleman always remembers a ladies birthday, but cannot ever remember how old she is."
Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 20, 2024 07:29 PM (+H2BX)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc
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Do you have her eyes?
Posted by: JQ
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Is by marriage.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 20, 2024 07:29 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Lirio100 at July 20, 2024 07:30 PM (I5U35)
The Lusitania, wow!
The father of one of my schoolmates in Nairobi (1960s) was a sailor in WW2. The batt;eship HMS Hood. When the fleet sailed to chase the Bismarck, he was in hospital with a broken leg. For those who don't know, HMS Hood was hit by Bismarck's second salvo, exploded and sunk in a few minutes. IIRC there were 3 survivors out of over 1400 sailors.
Posted by: Ciampino - Crazy Casa of Cats #16 at July 20, 2024 06:45 PM (qfLjt)
I was gonna say, if you know someone who was on the Hood, that is VERY small company.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 20, 2024 07:30 PM (8sMut)
Posted by: JQ at July 20, 2024 07:31 PM (njWTi)
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2024 07:31 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 20, 2024 07:32 PM (evvc2)
Posted by: Piper at July 20, 2024 07:32 PM (p4NUW)
Posted by: TRex at July 20, 2024 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
Done!
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 07:34 PM (/HDaX)
Posted by: Wenda at July 20, 2024 07:40 PM (ryt6Q)
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I have often looked at antique items of the family (and others), and wished that they could talk. Probably better that they can't, but it is fascinating to ponder what stories they would tell. They each have a life of their own.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 20, 2024 07:43 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Skip at July 20, 2024 07:50 PM (fwDg9)
Sis and I got to see our grandparents wedding logged in at a Church in Chicago. To see the actual records from the 1920’s was incredible.
We found old photos from Dad’s side from the 20’s showing Niagara Falls and Pikes Peak. Loved all the prohibition photos of grandpa looking very Capone and all the guys holding homemade liquor.
Love all the mundane photos of grandparents inside of their houses- love seeing places that were so treasured growing up.
Posted by: Paisley at July 20, 2024 07:50 PM (66OFj)
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I have kicked myself many times for being too young, too stupid, and too naive to ask my g-parents simple questions that they could have easily answered, and now it is too late.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 20, 2024 07:54 PM (XeU6L)
I hear that. In my case, my dad and I pumped our relatives for pretty much everything they knew and that at least got me off to a good start. But the Ancestry searching has generated a whole new set of questions they can't directly answer now since they're gone.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 20, 2024 08:00 PM (/HDaX)
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 20, 2024 08:10 PM (hKoQL)
My feelings exactly.
Posted by: Wenda at July 20, 2024 08:25 PM (ryt6Q)
Applied for a pension from the government at age 78. Sent the government a letter at age 82, saying he didn't need the pension anymore and to please stop sending it to him.
They don't make 'em like that anymore.
Posted by: Persnickety at July 20, 2024 08:29 PM (6fdSm)
My grandfather. I come from a family of divers and salvagers who were connected the battleship Maine, salvaging of the Normandie, and even salvage operations in Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: Tina-Marie Shafer at July 21, 2024 08:43 AM (srgR8)
Posted by: LenNeal at July 20, 2024 06:12 PM (bFId9)
Well, aren't you the negative Nancy! Don't think people need to know family history or where they come from. (You know what they say about those that don't know history.....)
It's a fascinating and fun hobby and if you rather build model airplanes, go right ahead, but don't trash other people's hobbies.
Posted by: BonnieBlue is tired of the lies at July 21, 2024 09:13 AM (RjGX7)
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