Daily Tech News 9 July 2024

Top Story

Goldman Sachs released a report on generative AI - the hot new thing pushing stock valuations of key tech companies into the trillions. In short: It's trash. (Where's Your Ed)

The article linked above is not short but it is a good read. The full report is available for download and it doesn't pull any punches either:
The promise of generative AI technology to transform companies, industries, and societies continues to be touted, leading tech giants, other companies, and utilities to spend an estimated ~$1tn on capex in coming years, including significant investments in data centers, chips, other AI infrastructure, and the power grid. But this spending has little to show for it so far beyond reports of efficiency gains among developers. And even the stock of the company reaping the most benefits to date - Nvidia - has sharply corrected.
From the article:
In essence, on top of generative AI not having any killer apps, not meaningfully increasing productivity or GDP, not generating any revenue, not creating new jobs or massively changing existing industries, it also requires America to totally rebuild its power grid, which Janous regrettably adds the US has kind of forgotten how to do.
There is that, yes.
Generative AI is not going to become AGI, nor will it become the kind of artificial intelligence you've seen in science fiction. Ultra-smart assistants like Jarvis from Iron Man would require a form of consciousness that no technology currently - or may ever - have - which is the ability to both process and understand information flawlessly and make decisions based on experience, which, if I haven't been clear enough, are all entirely distinct things.
Right. Although the understanding doesn't have to be flawless, merely good enough for the task at hand, and cheap enough that it's not simpler to just train a human and pay them to do it.

Generative AI doesn't understand anything - it is a language model, not a fact model; doesn't gain experience, at least not in its current form, which is trained once at enormous expense and then left to rot; and doesn't make decisions.

It's not AGI and has no path to become AGI. Terry Winograd's SHRDLU from 1968 is in important respects more sophisticated than ChatGPT, even though it was written by a single grad student on an 18-bit computer more than fifty years ago.

Tech News

Leaked benchmarks of AMD's Ryzen 9900X pin it as the fastest CPU available for single threaded tasks. (Tom's Hardware)

Intel had taken that crown, mostly by cranking up the power consumption of some of its chips to 400W, but the 9900X beats that.

That's roughly in line with AMD's own promises. But this twelve core chip also beats AMD's sixteen core 7950X3D on the multi-threaded version of the same benchmark, which is about double what AMD promised.

The eight core 9700X also beats Intel's 14900KS on single-threaded tasks though with only eight cores vs. 24 on the Intel chip, it's 33% slower on the multi-threaded version.

We'll see real numbers soon enough; the chips are expected at retail next week.
HP has cancelled its cheapest inkjet and laser printer models. (Tom's Hardware)

Cheap because they locked you into a perpetual ink/toner subscription plan, without which they wouldn't function at all. Just need the scanner on your multi-function device? Sorry, you haven't paid for the ink you don't need.

So abandoning this is actually good.
You can now link 10,000 Moore Threads GPUs together to build a super computer. (Tom's Hardware)

I wonder how viable this is. The Chinese-made Moore Threads GPUs have been tested in Windows PCs for gaming and they are just abominable, performing far below their theoretical capabilities. But supercomputers are tightly controlled environments, where you modify the code to fit the hardware, and they might actually deliver in such an environment.
There are too many Python package managers. (DuBlog)

Well, sure, but with Node and NPM you can install a single package and get 25 known critical vulnerabilities bundled in. Python can't compare with that.

Bottom Story

Ancient Library in Tibet Creating Digital Archive of Its 84,000 Scriptures -

Tibet's Sakya Monastery is home to many wonders. Founded in 1073 CE, its collection includes some of the oldest Tibetan artwork, as well as 84,000 ancient manuscripts and books. Given its remote… pic.twitter.com/DYNL1cxBxI
— Archaeo - Histories (@archeohistories) July 6, 2024

Disclaimer: Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:30 AM

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1 BOING!

Here comes the (next Biden) judge!

Thank you, GOP:

https://t.ly/-Z3xh

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 04:31 AM (E3oJ+)

2 Follow that car! A conspiracy theory I assume will soon prove to be true:

https://t.ly/dALU5

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 04:31 AM (E3oJ+)

3 There was a lot of talk in the ONT comments about Idaho and rural America.

Here's an interesting thread with some serious warnings about parts of rural USA. If you read down you'll see that the author himself has good things to say about Idaho:

https://t.ly/xYBOk

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 04:32 AM (E3oJ+)

4 And speaking of Boeing, here we go again:

https://t.ly/gnzi9

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 04:32 AM (E3oJ+)

5 G'Day everyone

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2024 04:32 AM (fwDg9)

6 Philistines upon you, America:

https://t.ly/iFd3p

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 04:32 AM (E3oJ+)

7 Evening and morning to all the early risers and late toilers!

Pixy's disclaimer is, I believe, from the famous Arthur C. Clarke story "The Nine Billion Names of God."

Tuesday in the month of July, and it's still hot. What else is new. "July = hot" is in the same commonplace class as "F. Joke Biden makes a gaffe" and "A department of the U.S. government makes things worse than before."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 09, 2024 04:36 AM (omVj0)

8 Of course, when I say "July = hot," I mean the Northern Hemisphere. Pixy is rolling into his winter.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 09, 2024 04:37 AM (omVj0)

9 7 Pixy's disclaimer is, I believe, from the famous Arthur C. Clarke story "The Nine Billion Names of God."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere

Indeed. The setting of which involved the digitisation (in 1953) of a Tibetan monastery library.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 09, 2024 04:40 AM (BLOW1)

10 Of course, when I say "July = hot," I mean the Northern Hemisphere. Pixy is rolling into his winter.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere

It's more challenging, because he has to do it upside down.

Posted by: John Drake Turns Now West Toward The Sea Of Azov at July 09, 2024 04:41 AM (tmPIh)

11 tinyurl.com/25fnudna
A good 20 Tweets Bad Blue

#7 has to be seen with Harris warning a Trump DOJ will jail political opponents

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2024 04:43 AM (fwDg9)

12 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at July 09, 2024 04:48 AM (sAmhv)

13 Good morning! Got a brief downpour yesterday afternoon and a nice cooldown for a couple of hours afterwards.

Got the outdoor kitchen island and the smoker stand frames built and set in place temporarily to visualize the arrangement (significant visual progress) and make adjustments if required. Landscape work will continue today and tomorrow to put in gas and electrical.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 09, 2024 04:53 AM (YRsIm)

14 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at July 09, 2024 04:57 AM (dg+HA)

15 "...he has to do it upside down."

And counterclockwise.

Posted by: Your eighth grade science teacher at July 09, 2024 04:58 AM (dg+HA)

16 Ah, the Tech Thread- the place I go to read jargon I don't understand about topics beyond my ken. Yes, it is a learning experience, but I don't feel myself inching any closer to tech-savvy as a result of my perusal.

At least here I know I am safe from monstrosities like the one appearing on yesterday's Art Thread.

Posted by: tankdemon at July 09, 2024 04:59 AM (VEC2m)

17 I been cleaning my birdbaths in evening, should be fine if hasn't been knocked over

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2024 05:01 AM (fwDg9)

18
Come for the jargon.
Stay for the ken.

Posted by: And the well curated snark at July 09, 2024 05:01 AM (dg+HA)

19 At least here I know I am safe from monstrosities like the one appearing on yesterday's Art Thread.
Posted by: tankdemon

Hopefully, the art thread can only get better after yesterday's bottom of the barrel selection.

Posted by: Tuna at July 09, 2024 05:03 AM (oaGWv)

20 Good morning, good people. No hydraulic pressure this time, I'm simply slept out, having hit the bed about 4 yesterday.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 09, 2024 05:04 AM (hKoQL)

21 *the art thread can only get better after yesterday's bottom of the barrel selection.*

https://tinyurl.com/59998kte

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld reference at July 09, 2024 05:06 AM (dg+HA)

22 I got curious so looked at yesterday's art thread. Mixing LSD and meth has some interesting results.

The comments must have been hysterical.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at July 09, 2024 05:09 AM (sAmhv)

23 As said on Art Thread I like Sci-fi art, that one wasn't doing anything for me

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2024 05:10 AM (fwDg9)

24 I loved Heavy Metal magazines

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2024 05:13 AM (fwDg9)

25 It's Pixytime! And the crowd goes wild!

Posted by: m at July 09, 2024 05:13 AM (64Zez)

26 And even the stock of the company reaping the most benefits to date - Nvidia - has sharply corrected.

And....sharply corrected is a bad thing?
I thought you always wanted to do the correct thing.

Posted by: Bruce at July 09, 2024 05:18 AM (szrmA)

27 #14 On Bad Blue
Mayor of Chicago says Nixon is to blame for all the shootings
Guess 50 years of Democrat rule hasn't been able to stop it

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2024 05:19 AM (fwDg9)

28 Good morning morons

After 2 days of panic I finally remembered the passcode to my iPad.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:22 AM (RIvkX)

29 And even the stock of the company reaping the most benefits to date - Nvidia - has sharply corrected.
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Over a month ago, one of you Morons recommended buying NVDA, with the assumption that there would soon be a stock split.

My liquid assets were tied up but I bought a single share for around $1008. The stock wound up splitting 10:1, plus I'm up by around 20%.

Thanks.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:24 AM (E3oJ+)

30 How's your foot feeling, SFP?

and glad you remembered your passcode.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2024 05:25 AM (3+zW7)

31 After 2 days of panic I finally remembered the passcode to my iPad.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:22 AM (RIvkX)
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Mr. President, is that you?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:25 AM (E3oJ+)

32 Quartet of men sing a lovely song of praise, "Worship your Holy Name."

https://tinyurl.com/h5629x9a

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2024 05:26 AM (3+zW7)

33 https://t.ly/xYBOk

Fascinating but ignores the fundamental causes and romanticizes isolation. You first, bro.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:27 AM (RIvkX)

34 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 09, 2024 05:29 AM (hoCmQ)

35 Ah, the Tech Thread- the place I go to read jargon I don't understand about topics beyond my ken. Yes, it is a learning experience, but I don't feel myself inching any closer to tech-savvy as a result of my perusal.
...
Posted by: tankdemon at July 09, 2024 04:59 AM (VEC2m)

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At least you're on time, for a change.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:30 AM (RIvkX)

36 It is muggy outside
Another hot one, stay cool
Forward Dog 9 hitting a short road

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2024 05:30 AM (fwDg9)

37 After 2 days of panic I finally remembered the passcode to my iPad.
Posted by: San Franpsycho'

It's not on a post-it attached to your computer monitor? That's where all mine are.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:30 AM (43xH1)

38 At least you're on time, for a change.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

HA!!

Posted by: Bruce at July 09, 2024 05:31 AM (szrmA)

39 My foot is improved thanks {Fen} walked about 2 miles yesterday, today I'll try for 3 miles. Still using my cane which was excellent for getting a seat on the bus.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:32 AM (RIvkX)

40 Am I the only one who is getting downright mad at having to either subscribe or join in order to read an article that piques my interest? An increasing number of sites demand this suddenly. Along with the horrendous number of ads befouling the atmosphere the 'net is becoming an experience I want little to do with.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 09, 2024 05:33 AM (hKoQL)

41 Biden's Dog, you're reminding me of Vic with all your morning linkage.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:33 AM (RIvkX)

42 It's not on a post-it attached to your computer monitor? That's where all mine are.
Posted by: LenNeal

At work, I had 3 different systems that required password changes every month.

I wrote the passwords on my calendar/desk blotter, and was camouflaged by all the other scribbling

Posted by: Bruce at July 09, 2024 05:33 AM (szrmA)

43 Safe travels Skip

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:34 AM (RIvkX)

44 At the office finishing up a rather conceptual piece that's not really for general consumption... it's taken a year, what a PIA. Two books arrived in the mail, Pavel Florensky's ICONOSTASIS, which is considered a Great Metaphysical Masterpiece in some Orthodox Christian circles (and which I think is crap), and a William Blake monograph, THE COMPLETE ILLUMINATED BOOKS from The William Blake Trust. His Alchemic Wackiness reminds me of some of the crazier 'zines you used to see in their early 1990s heyday.
Neither were exactly 'cheap'...

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:36 AM (43xH1)

45 Still using my cane which was excellent for getting a seat on the bus.
Posted by: San Franpsycho'

By beating all those urchins out of the way so you could sit down?

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:37 AM (43xH1)

46 Am I the only one who is getting downright mad at having to either subscribe or join in order to read an article that piques my interest? An increasing number of sites demand this suddenly. Along with the horrendous number of ads befouling the atmosphere the 'net is becoming an experience I want little to do with.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA
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*raises paw*

I'm so old, I 'memba when teh intertubenets wuz FREE!!!

Posted by: JQ at July 09, 2024 05:37 AM (njWTi)

47 Joe Biden shuns a black supporter at a rally,, Trump is a racist.

Joe Biden is having his felon son run the White House, Trump is guilt of crimes unknown.

Joe Biden has years of public cognitive decline, Trump is a crazy menace and "threat to democracy."

In all my decades I have not ever seen so much political b.s. just off the charts.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:37 AM (RIvkX)

48 25 Bible verses to encourage a friend/. It shows two woman but the verses from both Jewish and Christian scripture can be used for men as well😊

https://tinyurl.com/vb4bwp5c

And for the poster who has problems with tiny url, it's from the site "faithpot".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2024 05:38 AM (3+zW7)

49 By beating all those urchins out of the way so you could sit down?
Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:37 AM (43xH1)
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The violence was purely implied.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:38 AM (RIvkX)

50 My favorite Art Threads are when CBD posts some totally routine male nude study and gets 500+ comments of Homo Panic. Those are hilarious.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:39 AM (43xH1)

51 Still using my cane which was excellent for getting a seat on the bus.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:32 AM (RIvkX)
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You whack those whippersnappers on the noggen to make them give you a seat?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:40 AM (E3oJ+)

52 Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:32 AM (RIvkX)

Good for you. That's more than I walk and I don't have a sore foot. Lately, spouse and son and I have all been walking together and it's been nice but I'm still praying he gets a job.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2024 05:41 AM (hvQma)

53 After 2 days of panic I finally remembered the passcode to my iPad.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
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The post-it note fell off didn't it?

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 09, 2024 05:41 AM (hoCmQ)

54 At least you're on time, for a change.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:30 AM (RIvkX)

So punctuality isn't exactly my forte, at least I don't try to claim "time blindness" is an actual disability in need of accomodation.

Posted by: tankdemon at July 09, 2024 05:41 AM (VEC2m)

55 Biden's Dog, you're reminding me of Vic with all your morning linkage.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:33 AM (RIvkX)
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I don't have (kosher) sausages for breakfast.

Since I'm GMT+2H, I read my morning info hours ahead of most folks here and note the things which might be of interest.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:42 AM (E3oJ+)

56 Hey, I have given up my seat for some old uncle dozens of times.

Now, I have finally achieved codger status and I intend to wring every ounce of joy out of it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:42 AM (RIvkX)

57 By beating all those urchins out of the way so you could sit down?
Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:37 AM (43xH1)
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Morons think alike. Who knew!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:42 AM (E3oJ+)

58 The post-it note fell off didn't it?
Posted by: olddog

Washed his hands

Posted by: Bruce at July 09, 2024 05:42 AM (szrmA)

59 ...I'm still praying he gets a job.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2024 05:41 AM (hvQma)
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Me too

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:44 AM (RIvkX)

60 In all my decades I have not ever seen so much political b.s. just off the charts.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:37 AM (RIvkX)
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The US is on the verge of a dictatorial takeover. This is no longer just politics. Hasn't been for years.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:45 AM (E3oJ+)

61 After 2 days of panic I finally remembered the passcode to my iPad.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

I use my granddaughter's birthday. Easy to remember and if I should ever forget one of the kids will know it. Actually all three of them already know it since they use my iPad all the time.

Posted by: Tuna at July 09, 2024 05:46 AM (oaGWv)

62 Fascinating but ignores the fundamental causes and romanticizes isolation. You first, bro.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:27 AM (RIvkX)
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That's what the author tried to do. He learned the hard way.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:47 AM (E3oJ+)

63 And for the record -and before I go for the day- because today I lack the intestinal fortitude for either political news or the ASHQ insult factory at work- and I need to go visit a dear but ill congregant-I do not post devotionals to tell people how they should feel about their faith". I do it it to encourage myself and others. Have a good day everyone , and remember you are all a blessing to others.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2024 05:48 AM (4OeAR)

64 On the way book-wise is a personal splurge (almost everything I actually purchase is for reference and goes into the permanent library of specific subjects):
'VANISHING POINT FOREVER', Robert M. Rubin, an exhaustive 572-page coffee-table book of the 1971 movie. Printed in the Netherlands, thing weighs almost 3 pounds and is profusely illustrated with draft scripts, etc.
Normally I won't spend USD$50+ on a book for personal interest and will wait for a used copy, but only 2500 of these are being printed, and it seemed obvious if I wanted it I better get it now.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:49 AM (43xH1)

65 My foot is improved thanks {Fen} walked about 2 miles yesterday, today I'll try for 3 miles. Still using my cane which was excellent for getting a seat on the bus.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

I admit to using my cane longer than was necessary when I had my hip replaced. LOL

Posted by: Tuna at July 09, 2024 05:49 AM (oaGWv)

66 The Oakland gas station robbery I wrote about a few days ago has gone viral as one more demonstration of the collapse of civilization.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:49 AM (RIvkX)

67 Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:44 AM (RIvkX)

Thanks very much, dear.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2024 05:49 AM (4OeAR)

68 Got windows open & fans blowin' -- trying to cool off this house before closing up for the night. Now they predict 111F this afternoon. Oh joy. Don't know if the lil portables can keep up with that, so trying to give them a head start!

Posted by: JQ at July 09, 2024 05:51 AM (njWTi)

69 Good morning, good people. No hydraulic pressure this time, I'm simply slept out, having hit the bed about 4 yesterday.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 09, 2024

***
Good to hear, Irongrampa! I too am doing better in that respect, sleeping at least six hours straight at night. Yesterday I had blood drawn for labs; I hope my numbers are still good after nine months on this no-sugar diet.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 09, 2024 05:51 AM (omVj0)

70 PSA:

If you arrived at home, and got out of your car only to find your cane is missing, you hooked it on the handle of the shopping cart at the grocery store, and on entering your car forgot it on the cart. We have it, it's in a bucket with typically about 20 other canes lost in the same way.

-Your friendly neighborhood supermarket employee

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:53 AM (43xH1)

71 That's what the author tried to do. He learned the hard way.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:47 AM (E3oJ+)
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I was able to observe firsthand the decline and death of small towns in the Catskills as a youth. Spending summers there you could see year-by-year more people gone, more stores and businesses closed.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:55 AM (RIvkX)

72 PSA 2:

Also, if you arrive at home and discover your phone is missing, you left that at the store as well. We have it in a different bucket, along with typically about 30 others, ranging from flip-type Tracfones to iPhone 15s.

-Your friendly neighborhood supermarket employee

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:56 AM (43xH1)

73 g'mornin' everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at July 09, 2024 05:57 AM (MKEsG)

74 (Where's Your Ed)

EDWARD ZITRON
JUL 8, 2024
18 MIN READ

Way underestimating time to read.

Posted by: m at July 09, 2024 06:00 AM (64Zez)

75 Ha ha, Fwance is gonna push for 90% tax on "the rich"

Oh, boy. Mass exodus? Nah, the powers-in-charge will make carve-outs for their own.

Posted by: JQ at July 09, 2024 06:01 AM (njWTi)

76 Oh, for San Franpsycho: Tubi has the movie, 'Slaughter In San Francisco' up for free at the moment; it's from 1974 and seems to have been filmed almost guerrilla-style, with all kinds of local scenery from then, it's quite the artifact!
It's a Hong Kong chop-socky but really filmed in San Fran, and features Chuck Norris (!) as the baddie.
I cannot in any way recommend it as a 'movie' but for the locations it's memorable. You might enjoy it, or not...

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 06:01 AM (43xH1)

77 Sounds worthy will check it out thanks.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:03 AM (RIvkX)

78 71 That's what the author tried to do. He learned the hard way.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:47 AM (E3oJ+)
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I was able to observe firsthand the decline and death of small towns in the Catskills as a youth. Spending summers there you could see year-by-year more people gone, more stores and businesses closed.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

My hometown of New Castle, PA could be a set on The Walking Dead.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at July 09, 2024 06:04 AM (sAmhv)

79 The Where's Your Ed article was useful in helping me understand the difference between AI and generative AI, particularly here:

Generative AI generates outputs based on text-based inputs and requests, ... yet the answer is always, as obvious as it sounds, generated fresh, meaning that there is no actual "knowledge" or, indeed, "intelligence" operating in any part of the process.

and here:

How does GPT – a transformer-based model that generates answers probabilistically ... based entirely on training data – do anything more than generate paragraphs of occasionally-accurate text?

Posted by: m at July 09, 2024 06:05 AM (64Zez)

80 Haha! 'Slaughter' has a fight scene that seems to have been shot in a suburban residential neighborhood filled with tri-levels and ranch homes, with no filming permit, in the middle of the day!
It's hilarious

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 06:06 AM (43xH1)

81 The State Department should issue a travel warning about Oakland because their airport is in the middle of a free-fire zone.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:06 AM (RIvkX)

82 Breakfast: an egg-and-sausage bowl (got to leave as much of the potatoes behind as I can), and a half-slice of whole-grain toast with peanut butter and some Nucolate hazelnut spread. The Nucolate stuff I picked up at World Market on sale; no sugars, and I'm not even using a half-teaspoon a day. It's tasty.

We're due for rain today, the remnants of Beryl. This will keep the temps down, though not the humidity. Perhaps this afternoon there will not be that savage yellow-white sunlight glaring against my blinds. It makes me think the Springfield nuclear plant is about to blow.

Is it possible to be both depressed and infuriated?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 09, 2024 06:06 AM (omVj0)

83 Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 05:37 AM (43xH1)

How did you escape from the Aryan-Transpacific? I'll see if I can close those two terminals.

Posted by: H. Beam Piper at July 09, 2024 06:09 AM (89Sog)

84 As a youngster the Catskills were vibrant it had a year round population. By the time I was learning to drive, my lessons were in the vacant lot of the last large grocery store in South Fallsburg, which had closed.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:09 AM (RIvkX)

85 40 Am I the only one who is getting downright mad at having to either subscribe or join in order to read an article that piques my interest? An increasing number of sites demand this suddenly. Along with the horrendous number of ads befouling the atmosphere the 'net is becoming an experience I want little to do with.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 09, 2024 05:33 AM (hKoQL)

archive.is is your friend

Posted by: m at July 09, 2024 06:10 AM (64Zez)

86 Is it possible to be both depressed and infuriated?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 09, 2024 06:06 AM (omVj0)
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Did you get a/c? That will reduce humidity too.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:11 AM (RIvkX)

87 55 Since I'm GMT+2H, I read my morning info hours ahead of most folks here and note the things which might be of interest.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 05:42 AM (E3oJ+)

Which I, for one, appreciate very much!

Posted by: m at July 09, 2024 06:13 AM (64Zez)

88 58 The post-it note fell off didn't it?
Posted by: olddog

Washed his hands
Posted by: Bruce at July 09, 2024 05:42 AM (szrmA)

hahahaha

Posted by: m at July 09, 2024 06:14 AM (64Zez)

89 Years ago I drove my work truck to Cheyenne WY to work on a buddy's grandmother's house, and on the way back the wind was so strong I couldn't keep the truck on the road on 70 so we transferred to US-30. That was an eye-opener. We drove through towns clearly occupied by nobody buy old retired people and a few younger failures-to-launch. I recall one town where several old brick buildings had simply collapsed into the streets, and they had just put barricades around the rubble and left it.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 06:16 AM (43xH1)

90 This says it all...

Incoming French Prime Minister and Mass Immigration Enthusiast: Native French pose problem to social cohesion.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 09, 2024 06:16 AM (XV/Pl)

91 I still follow the example of my role model (my Dad) and will not complain about the weather out loud. He didn't because there was nothing he could do to change it so he just adapted to the situation.

I still get a chuckle out of getting older and rediscovering how smart my parents have become as I age.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 09, 2024 06:16 AM (hKoQL)

92 I was able to observe firsthand the decline and death of small towns in the Catskills as a youth. Spending summers there you could see year-by-year more people gone, more stores and businesses closed.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 05:55 AM (RIvkX)
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Grossingers. Memories.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 06:17 AM (E3oJ+)

93 HP has cancelled its cheapest inkjet and laser printer models.

"And nothing of value was lost." Which is sad because I used to like HP's printers. I'd had good things to say about them until the last model we purchased.

And now, we have an Epson.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2024 06:17 AM (svLOV)

94
Even with a list in front of him, Biden struggles mightily to read off his talking points, claiming now that he knows Trump said “suckers and losers” because “I was with him!”

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 09, 2024 06:18 AM (RKVpM)

95 Good morning! I woke up before the alarm clock.

My experience with AI so far:

When searching for, say "recipe for rhubarb cake with strawberries", it spits out an explanation followed by bulleted combinations of ingredients and/or directions. Sometimes it has two recipes broken into five bullet points. Two or three entries below the AI is the link to the desired recipe on a legitimate website.

AI: 0 Regular link-clicking: 1

When getting a plumber scheduled, it decided to accommodate my morning request and his afternoon opening by giving me an 8-hour window. It also "decided" with its non-existent brain that my street address was wrong and therefore rerouted to a similarly-named street in the nearby city. (To be fair to the brainless AI, my community shares a zipcode with the city).

AI: 0 The real, live lady at customer service: 1+

Posted by: NaughtyPine at July 09, 2024 06:21 AM (LWWI4)

96 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at July 09, 2024 06:22 AM (3Fz6p)

97 94 Even with a list in front of him, Biden struggles mightily to read off his talking points, claiming now that he knows Trump said “suckers and losers” because “I was with him!”
Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 09, 2024 06:18 AM (RKVpM)

Yep, heard that. Currently waiting for the pushback!

Posted by: m at July 09, 2024 06:22 AM (64Zez)

98 How did you escape from the Aryan-Transpacific? I'll see if I can close those two terminals.
Posted by: H. Beam Piper'

Had to look that up, wow, that guy put a lot of effort into his World Building.
Then killed himself.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 06:24 AM (43xH1)

99 Good morning to one and all. I love the smell of democrat implosion in the morning.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 09, 2024 06:26 AM (5MvGY)

100 Grossingers. Memories.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2024 06:17 AM (E3oJ+)
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Mal Z. midnight shows

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:26 AM (RIvkX)

101 Here's the Where's Your Ed guy's twitter account:

https://nitter.poast.org/edzitron

Posted by: m at July 09, 2024 06:27 AM (64Zez)

102 Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 06:24 AM (43xH1)

You can hide from us but in the end we will catch you.

Posted by: Verkan Vall at July 09, 2024 06:28 AM (89Sog)

103 I still get a chuckle out of getting older and rediscovering how smart my parents have become as I age.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 09, 2024 06:16 AM (hKoQL)
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I have so many regrets.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:28 AM (RIvkX)

104 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 09, 2024 06:29 AM (a1415)

105 #7 has to be seen with Harris warning a Trump DOJ will jail political opponents

If only. My pessimism with a Trump administration is that he won't go after the traitors.

Is it possible to be both depressed and infuriated?

Every damned day. Yes.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 09, 2024 06:30 AM (Q0kLU)

106 Years ago I drove my work truck to Cheyenne WY to work on a buddy's grandmother's house, and on the way back the wind was so strong I couldn't keep the truck on the road on 70 so we transferred to US-30. That was an eye-opener. We drove through towns clearly occupied by nobody buy old retired people and a few younger failures-to-launch. I recall one town where several old brick buildings had simply collapsed into the streets, and they had just put barricades around the rubble and left it.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 06:16 AM

Flint, Michigan. The last time I drove a detour through there, many of the abandoned houses/businesses were gone and replaced by meadows. Some people finally got a rural landscape through attrition. But every still-standing brick party store or boarded-up salon was covered in graffiti.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at July 09, 2024 06:30 AM (LWWI4)

107 I wonder if H. Beam Piper believed he was only killing the Self that existed in *this* timeline and that there were/are others, so this one wasn't the total End.
IDK, his stuff looks very sincere...

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 06:30 AM (43xH1)

108 Good morning to one and all. I love the smell of democrat implosion in the morning.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 09, 2024 06:26 AM (5MvGY)
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It's been very amusing. Mrs. F. who interprets the world through the lens of The Young & The Restless says Biden is cooked.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:30 AM (RIvkX)

109 I am so spoiled. Not at all used to being without electricity for more than an hour or so. Too hot to sleep with no AC.

Posted by: Polliwog's phone at July 09, 2024 06:32 AM (ntTtB)

110 Is it possible to be both depressed and infuriated?

Every damned day. Yes.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 09, 2024 06:30 AM (Q0kLU
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There he is!
*nods at MPPP*

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:32 AM (RIvkX)

111 Time to work. Will chat in a bit.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 09, 2024 06:32 AM (Q0kLU)

112 Polliwog, how long did you lose power?

Posted by: NaughtyPine at July 09, 2024 06:33 AM (LWWI4)

113 I am so spoiled. Not at all used to being without electricity for more than an hour or so. Too hot to sleep with no AC.
Posted by: Polliwog's phone at July 09, 2024 06:32 AM (ntTtB)
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Sounds awful. Hadrian is without power too. You can pretend it's the 1940s.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 09, 2024 06:34 AM (RIvkX)

114 I've been saying for a while now that AI is pretty much the new NFT. It's all the rage now, but in a couple of years, it will be abandoned and forgotten, having created close to nothing.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 09, 2024 06:34 AM (Gmlyt)

115 My 'hood came close to abandonment during the last Housing Collapse. At least half the houses on my block were empty for 10 years, 3 had to be torn down. Nobody would even rent them. I kind of liked it, really.
If I'd had the money I'd have bought them all and razed half the block, and had myself an estate.
Unfortunately the economy bounced back and my opportunity was lost.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 09, 2024 06:36 AM (43xH1)

116 That bottom story - I immediately thought of The Nine Billion Names Of God. It's one of my favorite SciFi short stories. I always seem to remember it as One Million for some reason.
Good one Pixy.
That pedo could write.

Posted by: Ciampino - Oui Inspecteur, est peint le en noir!! at July 09, 2024 06:37 AM (qfLjt)

117 112 Polliwog, how long did you lose power?
Posted by: NaughtyPine at July 09, 2024 06:33 AM (LWWI4)

About 8 yesterday morning. No ETA on it being repaired. At least we have city water and a gas stove. That's a real blessing.
Mom and Dad still have power, so Dad's bringing their generator to Sister's house. Inspector will be able to work from their house.

Posted by: Polliwog's phone at July 09, 2024 06:38 AM (ntTtB)

118 While we are on Billions, Hacker uploads 10billion user passwords to crime forum

https://mol.im/a/13612225

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, una cosa criminale at July 09, 2024 06:39 AM (qfLjt)

119 Need to try to sleep. Busy day later, and shou8be driving on minimal sleep.

Posted by: Polliwog's phone at July 09, 2024 06:41 AM (ntTtB)

120 JJ has arrived.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 09, 2024 06:41 AM (T7iTv)

121 CenterPoint outage tracker is going the wrong way overnight. Guess they can't get much work done in the dark.

Posted by: Polliwog's phone at July 09, 2024 06:43 AM (ntTtB)

122 "...who interprets the world through the lens of The Young & The Restless says Biden is cooked."

I'm more of a Simpsons guy myself.

Posted by: Rose colored glasses at July 09, 2024 06:43 AM (ivUux)

123 24 I loved Heavy Metal magazines

Posted by: Skip at July 09, 2024 05:13 AM (fwDg9)
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I bet you couldn't stack them on Ace Shelving.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, sono molto pesanti at July 09, 2024 06:50 AM (qfLjt)

124 Thank you for that disclaimer. Best thing I will read today.

Posted by: wcgreen at July 09, 2024 07:02 AM (yKzMb)

125 Polliwog, I hope your power is restored and you get some rest. I'm used to having a 12-48 hours outage at least twice a year. So far... knock on wood!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at July 09, 2024 07:09 AM (LWWI4)

126 Generative AI is just the next "tulip mania" to rip through the markets. This is why efficient markets don't exist.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at July 09, 2024 11:28 AM (diMhW)

127 "Overhead, [one by one] without any fuss, the stars were going out."
....Great reference to "The 9-billion names of God." At least that's my unaided recall from 57 years ago. Can't recall the author's name. Based on style I'd guess Asimov.

Posted by: sf44 at July 09, 2024 12:05 PM (XxAmA)

128 A headline in the business section of today's Wall Street Journal: "AI Boom Lifts Paychecks for Technology Leaders". Follow the money ...

Posted by: Nemo at July 09, 2024 01:07 PM (S6ArX)

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