THE MORNING RANT: Blue Oval Blues – The Ford EV Debacle Keeps Worsening

Ford’s electric vehicle nightmare is unrelenting, and although it has allegedly backed off of its most aggressive EV timelines, the misfires of Ford’s “Model e” program continue to cause 10-figure losses, dealer resistance, and a multi-billion dollar construction project that is likely to never manufacture a single EV.

In 2021, the gullible Republican-controlled legislature in Tennessee, along with the gullible Republican governor, threw about one billion taxpayer dollars from its Rainy Day Fund at Ford to manufacture a massive new plant outside of Memphis. Known as Blue Oval City, the total cost of the project was estimated at close to $6 billion. The state also helped out by condemning land and building roads. The first electric pickup trucks were supposed to roll off the line in 2025, but just a few months ago Ford announced that production was being pushed back until 2026. The delay is not related to construction issues. It’s because consumers have emphatically rejected Ford’s flagship EV, the F150 ~~Conflagration~~ Lightning. There is no demand for an electric pickup, because it cannot do what consumers need pickups to do.

Not only does Ford not need the EV capacity that the massive new Tennessee plant was going to provide, it pretty much doesn’t need any EV capacity at all. Ford is also postponing EV production plans at other plants.

“Ford delays next-gen EV offerings as it pushes further into hybrids” [Yahoo – 4/04/2024]

Ford said today it is pushing back EV production at its massive Blue Oval City EV campus in Tennessee to 2026 from its initial 2025 start date.
Ford also revealed it is “retiming” the launch of upcoming EVs at its plant in Oakville, Ontario, where it plans to build next-generation three-row EVs, most likely a full-size SUV. The company is aiming to launch those vehicles in 2027, pushing back the original 2025 timeline.

I have been writing about the need for the elected Tennessee officials who voted for this boondoggle to be held accountable, including this piece at The Pipeline, “EV Accountability Is Coming.” With the writing on the wall regarding Blue Oval City, Tennessee officials are finally starting to prepare for the uncomfortable discussion about what happens if/when Ford finally pulls the plug on the West Tennessee plant.

“Dimming electric vehicle market may delay start of full production at Ford’s new West TN plant” [Tennessee Lookout – 6/13/2024]

The state senator in whose district the Ford plant is located is still hopeful…

State Sen. Page Walley, a Savannah Republican, told the Lookout his understanding is that full production of the truck at the BlueOval City campus in Stanton was pushed back earlier this year by nine months from its initially scheduled full production start date. Based on “what’s happening, with (Ford’s) read on the economy,” the company might need “a little bit longer runway” before full production takes off, Walley said.

But with the absence of a market for the unwanted electric pickup that Ford intended to build, the senator is also already hedging his language and test-driving his CYA language for the potential taxpayer backlash:

Walley said, however, he isn’t concerned about the state losing money amid Ford’s slowdown because of a “clawback” provision that would enable Tennessee to reclaim funds if the automaker fails to follow through on its investment and hiring promise. “That’s kind of our security in this,” Walley said.

What if Ford’s failure goes beyond failing to follow through on this investment? The ongoing $5 billion annual losses Ford is booking on its Model e-dsel misadventure, plus the inevitable write off for Blue Oval City, will take a huge toll on its Balance Sheet. Will there be anything left to “claw back”?

The chairman of Tennessee’s megasite authority had the following to say, which doesn’t sound too optimistic.

Clay Bright, chairman of the state’s megasite authority, said this week that Ford’s time frame “slid some,” but he didn’t think work was ever scheduled to start until the latter part of 2025, anyway. He added that the automaker is committed to finishing the plant, but “we really won’t know if they’re serious until they start hiring their staff that has to operate the facilities.”

Meanwhile, Ford had required dealers to pay approximately $500,000 to become a “Model e Certified” EV dealer, and $1.2 million to become a “Model e Certified Elite” dealer. A great many Ford dealers balked, because they actually know Ford’s customers and what those customers’ vehicle preferences and needs are. Electric vehicles are a terrible fit for most of Ford’s customer base. While it’s a shame that Ford’s executives are more obedient to the climate communists in the Biden administration than they are to Ford’s own customers, at least the dealers actually understand the market they serve.

With its EV program in a doom loop, and with a terrible glut of unsold EVs to unload, Ford just pulled the plug on the “Model e Certified” program so that it can start shipping its unwanted EVs to all of its dealerships. The dealers who chose not to invest in becoming e-certified chose wisely, even though they still might not want those awful products on their lots.

Beege Welborn at Hot Air has an excellent piece discussing this reversal. “Dealers Who Forked Out for Ford's 'Exclusive' EV 'Certification' Feel Like They Got ShEVved” [Hot Air – 6/17/2024]

Dealers who'd paid over half to a million plus dollars to be Ford EV "certified" to be able to sell the all-electric things in what was billed as an exclusive "or else not at all" arrangement were kind of blown away at a surprise announcement out of corporate HQ last week. Ford yanked the football.

It will be interesting to see if Ford tries to reimburse those dealers who shelled out big money for the privilege of selling Ford’s EVs. Why not? Ford is already hemorrhaging so much money on its EV debacle, what’s a couple hundred million more at this point?

How unsustainable is Ford’s electric vehicle nightmare? “Ford Lost $130,000 on Every EV It Sold in the First Quarter” [Car & Driver – 4/26/2024]

Amidst all this, much of the media is still contorting itself to report booming sales and strong demand for Ford’s EVs.

“Ford EV and hybrid sales surge 65% in May” [CNBC – 6/04/2024]

Lumping in hybrids with EVs is rather dishonest, since one actually runs on gas and is not an EV, but otherwise, great headline, CNBC.

As it turns out, of Ford’s 190,014 vehicle sales in May, only 8,966 were electric, or less than 5%, and that is with an increase in year over year EV sales. Sure, the total is still low. But how did Ford increase its EV sales at all? As noted in this glowing Yahoo piece , “Though sales of Ford EVs are higher, Ford has increasingly had to use incentives to move the vehicles.”

Yes, there is a price for most everything, even Ford’s unpopular EVs, if the selling price gets close enough to $0. Liquidating a product at a huge loss can certainly move excess inventory. And Ford certainly had excess inventory. As I wrote in October 2023:

Ford has suddenly canceled all further deliveries to dealers of 2023 model year F150 Lightnings that are not already pre-sold.
Let me translate. What would have been year-model 2023 electric pickups are now going to be year-model 2024 electric pickups (after their “additional quality checks” so as to ensure that there is not a glut of unsold prior-year model Lightnings in 2024. Don’t misunderstand, there will still be a glut of these unwanted pickups, but at least the dealers will be sitting on a glut of year-model 2024 Lightnings.

That glut of 2023-turned-2024 model Lightnings is now being sold at a huge loss, causing a percentage rise in year-over-year sales, but also causing a sea of red ink.

There is no way forward for Ford to resolve its EV nightmare, and Blue Oval City is a sunk cost that will likely have to be written off at some point. Ford’s traditional business units cannot continue to cover for its EV losses forever, no matter how passionate Bill Ford and CEO Jim Farley are about pleasing Klaus Schwab and Joe Biden.

Toyota has shown that there is a non-EV path to both prosperity and virtuosity with its lineup of ICE vehicles and hybrids. Ford would be wise to abandon EVs and follow that path.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 73rd

Posted by: tankdemon at June 21, 2024 11:00 AM (ZbweD)

2 1

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:00 AM (v6JzV)

3 Curses, foiled again!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:01 AM (v6JzV)

4 “Ford Lost $130,000 on Every EV It Sold in the First Quarter”

I bet they expected to make up for it in volume.

Posted by: tankdemon at June 21, 2024 11:02 AM (ZbweD)

5 Ford Prefect >>>>>> Ford EV

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at June 21, 2024 11:03 AM (T+Iwg)

6 Ford delays next-gen EV offerings as it pushes further into hybrids” [Yahoo – 4/04/2024]

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Ah yes, the Overton window. Things are starting to become clearer now. All tiny-engined hybrids will be the push, and everyone will cheer that the EV insanity was defeated as they buy the intended product.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Images of perfect women created with AI aren't being created with tattoo prompts. at June 21, 2024 11:03 AM (LjVn6)

7 Ford would be wise to abandon EVs and follow that path.

If they were wise, they wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

8 There is no demand for an electric pickup

True, it was just a strong suggestion. *wink, wink*

Posted by: The White House at June 21, 2024 11:04 AM (HeV6l)

9 We'll bail them out again, just like in 2008. I think this will be the case whether it is Obama's fourth term or Trump's second. Though I think the taxpayers will get a less worse deal under Trump.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 21, 2024 11:04 AM (fs1hN)

10 You pass that Blue Oval complex on Rte 65. Man it is huge. It just goes on and on and on......

Posted by: Tuna at June 21, 2024 11:04 AM (oaGWv)

11 We do many things right here in TN. But the undeniably true rule of 'Whenever politicians get involved, it turns to shit." always stands.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 21, 2024 11:04 AM (WXNFJ)

12 I still don't get the EV hate. EV mandate hate? Now that I can get behind.

Posted by: Are you sure about this sir? at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (zOD0w)

13 Musk should offer one billion for the plant. I’m sure he can find something to do with it.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (SHMXB)

14 Ford’s electric vehicle nightmare is unrelenting...

Here's the thing about all this which bothers me. Thousands will suffer as a result of Ford's poor business decisions. Workers, suppliers, investors. But the people responsible will not suffer. They'll still be paid tens of millions of dollars.

There isn't a solution to this, sadly, and I should probably let it go but it bothers me nonetheless.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (T7iTv)

15 I interviewed last year with a start-up that was going to manufacture electric off-road vehicles.

Really glad now that I didn't get the job.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (v6JzV)

16 It's a write off, Jerry. They just write it off.

Posted by: Kramer at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (dg+HA)

17 Sure ford lost$130,000 on every EV they sold but they made it up on volume.

Reminder ford’s ceo still has his job.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:06 AM (17s+e)

18 Biden Portrays Himself as "Deficit-Slasher" as Annual Deficit Surges to Nearly $2 Trillion

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There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:07 AM (L/fGl)

19 >>Dealers who'd paid over half to a million plus dollars to be Ford EV "certified" to be able to sell the all-electric things in what was billed as an exclusive "or else not at all" arrangement were kind of blown away at a surprise announcement out of corporate HQ last week.

"I know, right?"
-- Taxi drivers who've paid $70k+ for a medallion watching local governments allowing Uber and Lyft to flood the market without with drivers who didn't need any such certification to drive

Posted by: Lizzy at June 21, 2024 11:07 AM (cCVOS)

20 We do many things right here in TN. But the undeniably true rule of 'Whenever politicians get involved, it turns to shit." always stands.

Why would anyone expect a politician to have any knowledge about cars? Or photovoltaics? Or much of anything, really?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:07 AM (xCA6C)

21 Why would anyone expect a politician to have any knowledge about cars? Or photovoltaics? Or much of anything, really?
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Politicians expertise is in how to make themselves fabulously rich.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 21, 2024 11:08 AM (fs1hN)

22 Why would anyone expect a politician to have any knowledge about cars? Or photovoltaics? Or much of anything, really?
Posted by: Archimedes

Um...about that...

Posted by: T. Jefferson at June 21, 2024 11:09 AM (v6JzV)

23 This is the dimension of imagination.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:07 AM (L/fGl)
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In FJB's case it's the dimension of delusion...and dementia.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:09 AM (7fElN)

24 Musk should offer one billion for the plant. I’m sure he can find something to do with it.
Posted by: polynikes

He hasn't done transporter beams yet.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:09 AM (L/fGl)

25 >>Thousands will suffer as a result of Ford's poor business decisions. Workers, suppliers, investors. But the people responsible will not suffer. They'll still be paid tens of millions of dollars.

And the CEO can go to Davos and make additional pledges to convert America from fossil fuel vehicles to other alternatives.

Always serving the greater agenda, not the shareholders, not the customers, not the employees.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 21, 2024 11:09 AM (cCVOS)

26 I notice the EVs are the future guy no longer is posting.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:09 AM (17s+e)

27 I have been a Ford guy but can't help but laugh they took the Fascism government word for word

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2024 11:09 AM (gJbiv)

28 still don't get the EV hate. EV mandate hate? Now that I can get behind.
Posted by: Are you sure about this sir? at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (zOD0w)

I assume it’s the same as the current feelings about homosexuality. Because they are trying to replace a superior product with an inferior product and doing it with lies and constant pressure to accept the lies.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:09 AM (SHMXB)

29 I notice the EVs are the future guy no longer is posting.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

Montec got banned.

Posted by: T. Jefferson at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (v6JzV)

30 I notice the EVs are the future guy no longer is posting.

Wasn't that Montec? He's not posting for other reasons.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (xCA6C)

31 Oops. Strike one.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (v6JzV)

32 The new Ford Generac!

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (o2ZRX)

33 "Clay Bright, chairman of the state’s megasite authority"

States have 'Megasite Authorities?' Every day brings news of some novel absurdity.

Posted by: gp Is Committed To Doing The Important Work at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (MvF+J)

34 >> Ford Prefect >>>>>> Ford EV

man does that bring memories

Posted by: DanMan at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (8uzBS)

35 I assume it’s the same as the current feelings about homosexuality. Because they are trying to replace a superior product with an inferior product and doing it with lies and constant pressure to accept the lies.

Agree. People don't like being forced into something.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (xCA6C)

36 Congress does have one very bright electrical engineer from MIT, and I'm frankly very impressed with him.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (MeG8a)

37 I interviewed last year with a start-up that was going to manufacture electric off-road vehicles.

Really glad now that I didn't get the job.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (v6JzV)
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Yeah, those don't make sense at all. With an ICE off-road vehicle, it's easy to haul a container of gas in case you run out of fuel. With an EV off-road vehicle, where do you plug it in? A spare battery is going to weigh a ton compared to a few gallons of gas.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:11 AM (7fElN)

38 It is a bit of a surprise that Ford would be so dense. It was not a that long ago that the company decided not to accept the Obama bail-out. (Of course, they squandered the opportunity to really cash in on the goodwill with the public they could have gotten from that move by not pushing the point in advertising at the time.)

Posted by: tankdemon at June 21, 2024 11:11 AM (ZbweD)

39 Sounds like Ford didn't think things thru

Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer at June 21, 2024 11:11 AM (/7KEl)

40 Congress does have one very bright electrical engineer from MIT, and I'm frankly very impressed with him.

But the faces of the mandates are Biden and AOC.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)

41 “Ford Lost $130,000 on Every EV It Sold in the First Quarter”

Actually, we lent American workers and consumers $130,000 per EV. We have every confidence in our collection agency, the IRS.

Posted by: Ford at June 21, 2024 11:12 AM (CFrOc)

42 assume it’s the same as the current feelings about homosexuality. Because they are trying to replace a superior product with an inferior product and doing it with lies and constant pressure to accept the lies.
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Well said

Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at June 21, 2024 11:12 AM (Ja/CO)

43 Those ~~2023~~ 2024 Lightnings will be leaving the lot with year-old batteries in them. All batteries degrade with time, used or not.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2024 11:12 AM (GuRu/)

44 State Sen. Page Walley, a Savannah Republican, told the Lookout his ... ass has bedsores from sitting on top of the giant bags of kickbacks he got from making the deal.

Posted by: gp Is Committed To Doing The Important Work at June 21, 2024 11:12 AM (MvF+J)

45 Toyota was visionary when it rolled out the, holds nose, the ~~Putrid~~ Pirus and now has had decades of experience to perfect hybrids. Toyota was again visionary when it rejected destroying its company by going whole hog into EVs. My next new car is going to be a Toyota to reward them for not only making great vehicles but for not knuckling under too the climate communists.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 21, 2024 11:12 AM (W3n7o)

46 Just bring a few gallons of electricity in case you run low.

Posted by: Greenie at June 21, 2024 11:13 AM (dg+HA)

47 We were running around in Sugar Land, Tx the other day and were surrounded by five Teslas while sitting at a traffic light. Every driver was female.

Posted by: DanMan at June 21, 2024 11:13 AM (8uzBS)

48 Mustang II-Boredom Zero!

Posted by: 1974 Ford Ad at June 21, 2024 11:13 AM (V5BDR)

49 Toyota was visionary when it rolled out the, holds nose, the Putrid Pirus and now has had decades of experience to perfect hybrids. Toyota was again visionary when it rejected destroying its company by going whole hog into EVs. My next new car is going to be a Toyota to reward them for not only making great vehicles but for not knuckling under too the climate communists.

I currently have a Ford Fusion. Ford has permanently lost me as a future customer. Well played, Ford.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:13 AM (xCA6C)

50 The truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

Follow the Science Update: Feds Try to Delay Release of Non-public COVID Vaccine Safety Data Until at Least 2026

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (L/fGl)

51 29 I notice the EVs are the future guy no longer is posting.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

Montec got banned.
Posted by: T. Jefferson at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (v6JzV)
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Not Montec who has a good argument to have an EV at today’s leases but another poster that I can’t remember name.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (17s+e)

52 Ford claims they will reimburse dealers in some form...

$500M to some law firm and a $10 gift certificate usable at the Ford Online Store. Same as happens with class-action stuff.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (T7iTv)

53 Really like my Tacoma.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (qZEuM)

54 Just bring a few gallons of electricity in case you run low.

Just make sure you've screwed the lid on tightly. You don't want electrons rolling around in the back.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (xCA6C)

55 Electric cars are the cars of the future and they will always be the cars of the future.

Posted by: halfastro at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (uoXep)

56 Musk should offer one billion for the plant. I’m sure he can find something to do with it.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (SHMXB)
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He doesn't need it - EVs are settling into a niche market - and eventually all the government set asides are going to disappear. That makes Tesla less viable. Now he may want to consider it if California ever makes it even more untenable to make cars there.

And his China venture will more than likely get tariffed into the stratosphere if he tries to bring them here.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (GZYu7)

57 Ford Prefect >>>>>> Ford EV
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at June 21, 2024 11:03 AM (T+Iwg)

Indeed. Kind of a dumpy-looking little car, but it got thejob done:

https://tinyurl.com/479ctf7t

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (GuRu/)

58 Only Mustang makes it happen,
Mustang, Mustang, '68!

Posted by: 1968 Ford Ad at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (V5BDR)

59 Joe Xiden was the big ev guy. Don't know if he rebranded as montec or not.

Posted by: Outside. In my garage. at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (89Sog)

60 Not Montec who has a good argument to have an EV at today’s leases but another poster that I can’t remember name.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

Joe Xiden? He may have gotten banned, too.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (v6JzV)

61 HOA, municipality, township, county, megasite, state, nation. Six layers of jurisdictions to achieve the level of graft they require.

Posted by: gp Is Committed To Doing The Important Work at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (MvF+J)

62 Ford has a better idea.

Posted by: Way back when at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (dg+HA)

63 All the better when it comes time for Ford to beg for a yuge federal bailout. And it will get one.

The EV pickup continues to be the dumbest and most suicidal automotive idea since ... well, since forever.

It's incredible to me that Ford and Chevy actually believed a pickup that cannot be used as a pickup would find any more than a handful of virtue-signaling niche buyers. Yet these companies seemed to think millions of these steaming piles of shit were gonna explode off assembly lines.

I'm fully convinced that the vast majority of management and leadership at mega-corps are really stupid people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (iFTx/)

64 I posted this in the Art Thread, but it's relevant here.

156 Adventures in chutzpah:
China complains about having to turn over too much data to the EU on their EV manufactures, which could lead to industrial espionage.

https://tinyurl.com/4s8yu3ks

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

65 Yeah, those 2023 Fords don't magically become 2024 models, in any way, shape or form.

A vehicle's Model Year is LOCKED IN with the VIN number, which is not just the badge riveted into the dashboard as seen on through the lower left windshield.

It's also stamped in a few dozen places, visible and invisible, throughout the chassis, differential, tags affixed on the transmission and engine, and more.

The sales and title paperwork WILL describe 'em as a 2023, 'evermore.

Some of the highest "spiffs" (bonuses) for a retail car salesman, are attached to the sale of the most aged inventory, and Last Year's Models rise to the TOP of that Bonus Chart, every time.

Most dealers stock their inventory through a "Floor Plan" financing system. And the interest they pay on Aged Inventory, HURTS. Hence the incentives to get that shit GONE.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2024 11:16 AM (e6UQI)

66 The Supreme Court Friday upheld a federal law that bans guns for those subject to domestic violence restraining orders (DVROs) in the first major test of the Second Amendment at the high court this term.

In an 8-1 opinion authored by Chief Justice Roberts, the court's majority said, "[W]e conclude only this: An individual found by a court to pose a credible threat to the physical safety of another may be temporarily disarmed consistent with the Second Amendment." Justice Clarence Thomas was the lone dissenter.

Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer at June 21, 2024 11:16 AM (/7KEl)

67 If you take the view that US auto manufacturers are not in the business of selling vehicles but selling financing for vehicles, then does "loss per vehicle" really matter?

Cars were better when the most complicated electronics were in the radio.

I think my next vehicle is going to be one of those Japanese mini trucks. Even with 100k, they are probably better than anything new rolling of an assembly line in Michigan.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 21, 2024 11:16 AM (XHAZA)

68 There are electric personal aircraft being designed and built. How fun would this be:

https://tinyurl.com/4n35jt2b

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 11:16 AM (d2kuJ)

69 I still don't get the EV hate. EV mandate hate? Now that I can get behind.
Posted by: Are you sure about this sir? at June 21, 2024 11:05 AM (zOD0w)

Other than it is completely wasted effort, "justified" by a false premise.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2024 11:16 AM (GuRu/)

70 TDS or Stupid?: Jane Fonda Says If "Orange Man" Wins, We Will Not Have A Livable Future

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You can trust her. She's a Hollywood actress.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:17 AM (L/fGl)

71 Really like my Tacoma.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

"Well, I've never been to heaven
But I love my old Tacoma. . . ."

Ugh! Needs more work.
-- Zombie Hoyt Axton

Posted by: Tonypete at June 21, 2024 11:17 AM (WXNFJ)

72 We'll bail them out again, just like in 2008. I think this will be the case whether it is Obama's fourth term or Trump's second. Though I think the taxpayers will get a less worse deal under Trump.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 21, 2024 11:04 AM (fs1hN)

We didn't bail out Ford in 2008. All the other domestic carmakers, but not Ford.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:17 AM (T7iTv)

73 Joe Xiden was the big ev guy. Don't know if he rebranded as montec or not.
Posted by: Outside. In my garage. at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (89Sog)
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Yep that’s him. Thanks

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:17 AM (17s+e)

74 Hybrids were always a reasonable pursuit . I like Musk but I blame him for the EV hysteria . I don’t think he goes into something as a pure businessman but rather a futuristic visionary and works backwards .

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:17 AM (SHMXB)

75 Still driving my 2005 Chevy Colorado crew cab...will continue as long as possible.

Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2024 11:18 AM (AwYPR)

76 Re-chargeable sno plows. Busses. Cars, and trucks.

There is nowhere near the power generation capacity to meaningfully implement a mass conversion over to re-chargeable everything. There is also no grid capable of supplying this electricity, even if there were.

Nobody wants to talk about the math. Probably because they are innumerate, but that isn't my problem. What is my problem, they want to outlaw gasoline and diesel, without any viable replacement. It's like the old New Yorker cartoon with two scientists and a bunch of chicken scratches on the chalkboard. "And here, a Miracle Happens."

I've explained all this stuff in detail to anti-civilizational types. Hours of effort. "Yeah... But still....." they whine. They don't understand. They have taken to arguments so absurd they wouldn't have been entertained in grade school, yet they are supposed college graduates.

It is true, that the gasoline engine put Horses "out of business" almost overnight. What's never pointed out, this was done voluntarily.

They didn't have to outlaw horses. Investors poured money into automobile manufacturing, and they focused on making affordable (sound familiar?) cars that everyone could buy.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2024 11:18 AM (9jZWY)

77 Kentucky went all in on 2 Blue Oval EV plants. One has already been scheduled to be "revamped" to build ICE vehicles once their quota of EV shit is done.

Plus the local community was totally conned by the government.

And the influx of low skilled workers looking for housing has resulted in a massive boom in... low income housing.

The ghettoizing of rural America continues apace.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 11:18 AM (Q4IgG)

78 I took possession of my brother's Avalon when he passed away a couple of years ago. That car was a luxury rocket! I heard they discontinued it but I'm keeping my eye opened for a used late model.

Posted by: DanMan at June 21, 2024 11:18 AM (8uzBS)

79 Just bring a few gallons of electricity in case you run low.

The antenna doubles as a lightning rod, if you want to save on space.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2024 11:19 AM (CFrOc)

80 >>I still don't get the EV hate. EV mandate hate? Now that I can get behind.

Because it's a mandate.

We've ridden this slippery slope enough times to know how it plays out. We see world leaders and CEOs making pledges to be off of fossil fuel vehicles by 2030 (or 2035?). We hear Jennifer Granholm and Pete Buttwhatever talk casually about our transition to EV as if it's a fait accompli. We've read Cass Sunstein's "Nudge" and watched how Obama and the Dems have regular eliminated the choices they think are "bad" for us.

Sure, sure, you only buy and EV if you want one, but we'll lean on car manufacturers like Ford to stop making non-EV cars.
We'll enact legislation the eliminates non-EV vehicles from certain businesses (e.g. trucking).
We'll carve away at well-travelled roads by installing bike lanes separated by bollards.
We'll allow high-density housing with little to no parking in our crowded cities. And on and on.

The mandate's coming. Try to not act surprised when it does.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 21, 2024 11:19 AM (cCVOS)

81 Ford Prefect >>>>>> Ford EV
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

Well, of course. The EV doesn't come with a towel.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:19 AM (L/fGl)

82 37 Yeah, those don't make sense at all. With an ICE off-road vehicle, it's easy to haul a container of gas in case you run out of fuel. With an EV off-road vehicle, where do you plug it in? A spare battery is going to weigh a ton compared to a few gallons of gas.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:11 AM (7fElN)

Plan ahead: https://tinyurl.com/4kuzw2z9

Posted by: tankdemon at June 21, 2024 11:20 AM (ZbweD)

83 Not Montec who has a good argument to have an EV at today’s leases but another poster that I can’t remember name.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (17s+e)

mr_jack

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2024 11:20 AM (GuRu/)

84
Go to Greenfield Village and see the monstrous edifice the government Buildbackbetter has Ford building right next to it.

Yes, been past the I-65 plant. Socialism means your dollars at work.

Posted by: Auspex at June 21, 2024 11:20 AM (j4U/Z)

85 Consumers are pining for the F150s.

Posted by: With four wheel drive at June 21, 2024 11:20 AM (dg+HA)

86 You can trust her. She's a Hollywood actress.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:17 AM (L/fGl)

Talk about "high mileage".

Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2024 11:20 AM (AwYPR)

87 I'm keeping my '04 F150

I'll drive the wheels off before I buy another vee-hickle

Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer at June 21, 2024 11:20 AM (/7KEl)

88 Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (GZYu7)

Musk does more than EVs was my point.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:20 AM (SHMXB)

89 Which is why we're drafting legislation to require all state residents to own a trans electric vaccinated vegan vehicle, or you won't be able to use the roads. We need to protect our most vulnerable protected minority communities from climate change.

Posted by: NJ Governor Phil Murphy at June 21, 2024 11:21 AM (Ybyk2)

90 But, the really insane thing is, they are forced to incur these losses on EV-- and will keep making them regardlessof sales-- because the CAFE applies to the whole line.

Yet all the grey haired union folks will insist, even to the day they are eating cat food to survive, that Democrats are looking out for them.

Yes, as a pickpocket looks out for a clueless tourist.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 21, 2024 11:21 AM (XHAZA)

91 might have to put another transmission in it

Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer at June 21, 2024 11:21 AM (/7KEl)

92 Jane Fonda Says If "Orange Man" Wins, We Will Not Have A Livable Future

That's a damned shame. And I know exactly who you mean by 'we'.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2024 11:21 AM (CFrOc)

93 I'm fully convinced that the vast majority of management and leadership at mega-corps are really stupid people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (iFTx/)
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Interesting thought. It's not that they are stupid, but that they are swayed by familiarity bias. They all have the same credentials - they are all powerful successful people. Their same type of people came up with this idea. It is accepted without debate. Have had occasion to get linked up in that world a few times. My expertise once there was never challenged, and unless I got really silly there was never any push back.

That's how it works. It's why a committee of experts makes consistently bad decisions, and always will. It is the basis for why the progressive's view of the world is so wrong, why they always fail, and why they fail to even realize they are failing.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (GZYu7)

94 The climate communists running New Mexico have mandated that 43% new cars by 2026 and that 80% by 2032 be EVs. My question is WTF happens when there are no EVs to buy because their stupid mandates helped drive car manufacturers out of business? Given they are delusional ideologues I can't see them budging one inch. That leaves room for some interesting solutions.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (W3n7o)

95 I took possession of my brother's Avalon when he passed away a couple of years ago. That car was a luxury rocket! I heard they discontinued it but I'm keeping my eye opened for a used late model.
Posted by: DanMan

The lovely wife's vehicle was an Avalon until the doors fell off of it. Previously, I would have never purchased a new vehicle but, this time around, the price differential between a new and a few years old Camry was negligible. So, bought the new one.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (WXNFJ)

96
Ray Bradbury's short story about the guy taking his outlawed hidden gas powered car out for a night ride is coming true.

Posted by: Auspex at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (j4U/Z)

97 What is an ICE vehicle?

Posted by: Megthered at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (49Sxk)

98 I notice the EVs are the future guy no longer is posting.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:09 AM (17s+e)

Probably changed his nic and now drops in to tell us what an idiot Trump is for agreeing to the debate.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (T7iTv)

99 I think the EV craze can be defined as 'if we want it bad enough, it will work'

Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer at June 21, 2024 11:23 AM (/7KEl)

100 I actually saw a first edition, early aughts Honda Insight still on the road, well, parked at a golf course clubhouse. Pretty sure it was owned by someone working in the kitchen. The Prius was so much better than the Insight.

Posted by: Not a Plug-in at June 21, 2024 11:23 AM (V5BDR)

101 97 What is an ICE vehicle?
Posted by: Megthered at June

Internal combustion engine

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 11:23 AM (e8mjv)

102 https://tinyurl.com/4n35jt2b

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 11:16 AM (d2kuJ)

Will make it to the crash site every time.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2024 11:23 AM (GuRu/)

103 “The Daily Show” Launches Voter Registration And Animals Adoption Initiative

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I assume they're pushing skunks in both initiatives.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:23 AM (L/fGl)

104 With an EV off-road vehicle, where do you plug it in?

Always travel with a buddy who drives a diesel. And mount a trailer hitch on the front of your buggy.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2024 11:24 AM (CFrOc)

105 "Rechargeable" seems to work great for small devices, such as phones, toothbrushes, cameras, etc.

It can even work for lawn tools like weed eaters and leaf blowers that do small jobs (like mine).

It just doesn't scale up to larger objects like cars, trucks, and aircraft.

Physics is a bitch, sometimes.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:24 AM (7fElN)

106 >>A vehicle's Model Year is LOCKED IN with the VIN number, which is not just the badge riveted into the dashboard as seen on through the lower left windshield.

When you change the battery in a Ford the date in the radio reverts to it's built date all the way down to the day.

Posted by: DanMan at June 21, 2024 11:24 AM (8uzBS)

107 *They didn't have to outlaw horses. Investors poured money into automobile manufacturing, and they focused on making affordable (sound familiar?) cars that everyone could buy.*

Now do rotary dial phones.

Posted by: Market Forces at June 21, 2024 11:24 AM (dg+HA)

108 There is no demand for an electric pickup, because it cannot do what consumers need pickups to do.

I don't doubt this is true.

But a lot of people drive pick-ups for other reasons, including that it matches their self___ and that pick-ups were once a relatively affordable vehicle. Folks who drive a truck for image reasons are likely to be anti-electric, so no sales there. And on affordability, even non-electric trucks don't see like a good bargain (assuming you don't need one for work purposes). I'm incredulous that there's much of a market left for anything but work trucks at this point. The price tag for them has gotten steep.

Posted by: Future Bug Eater at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (goiuH)

109 Ford Generac Lightning! A hog hauler, hogs produce methane, methane powers Generac, Generac powers Ford Lightning. Get you to the mailbox and probably back. Probably. Take some extra corn.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (o2ZRX)

110 I took possession of my brother's Avalon when he passed away a couple of years ago. That car was a luxury rocket! I heard they discontinued it but I'm keeping my eye opened for a used late model.
Posted by: DanMan at June 21, 2024

***
Toyota's counterpart to the Buick LaCrosse. If something happened to my 2016 LC and I couldn't find a Buick to replace it (unlikely as they stopped making the final generation of LC in 2019), the Avalon or the Lexus ES would be next on my list.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (J2vNu)

111 It's ironic that hybrid tech is finding one of its most useful applications in . . . supercars. The new gen supercars are all hybrids, usually with EV motors in the transmissions and one at each front wheel. Economy is not the goal. Increased power and traction is.

Lamborghini is fully on board. The new Revuelto and upcoming Huracan replacement are hybrids like this. Porsche and Ferrari are also moving to this tech. Ditto McLaren.

Not only does the tech work well here, it's a market in which cost is no issue. Dudes prepared to throw down $400k on a car don't care if the cost is $50k or even $100k higher because of hybrid tech.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (iFTx/)

112 Yeah, those don't make sense at all. With an ICE off-road vehicle, it's easy to haul a container of gas in case you run out of fuel. With an EV off-road vehicle, where do you plug it in? A spare battery is going to weigh a ton compared to a few gallons of gas.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:11 AM (7fElN)

The answer is so obvious I have to assume you're being disingenuous here. Obviously you attack a trailer with a diesel generator and tank of fuel. Then, if you run out of electrons, you can stop and enjoy the scenery for a few hours while your generator runs.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (T7iTv)

113 The only way to save Ford Motor and All U.S. Auto Manufacturers now is for F. Joe Mugabe to Nationalize them.

/What could go wrong?

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (mvE0S)

114 I would want to buy an American vehicle. I beg to buy an American vehicle. Give me something besides a lot of the fucking trash coming off the assembly line. Shit's expensive, give me something reliable like a Toyota or Honda.

But nooooo. Gotta suck that government cock.

Uncle Sam is tired of getting blown and he's gunning for squeakhole next.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 21, 2024 11:26 AM (qZEuM)

115 Analysis By The New York Times reveals that support for Joe Biden among women is at a 20 year low for any Democrat.

The polling shows that Donald Trump has an eight-point lead over Biden among women.

The turnaround is once again insane.

Four years ago, Biden led Trump by 13 points among women. Now, Trump has gained 21 points. The figures were gleaned from the Times’s average of more than 30 polls conducted since January.

The Times notes “Overall, twice as many women say they were better off financially under Mr. Trump.”

Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2024 11:26 AM (RHGPo)

116 The answer is so obvious I have to assume you're being disingenuous here. Obviously you attack a trailer with a diesel generator and tank of fuel. Then, if you run out of electrons, you can stop and enjoy the scenery for a few hours while your generator runs.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

😂😂😂

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2024 11:26 AM (5g81t)

117 Fun fact, electric cars have been around almost as long as ICE cars but never became a market success. Wonder why?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:26 AM (17s+e)

118 Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (GZYu7)

Musk does more than EVs was my point.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:20 AM (SHMXB)
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Ah, yes of course - I was fixated on EVs.

He appears to be winning the go to space race isn't he.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:26 AM (GZYu7)

119 Saw a Cybertruck for the first time a few weeks ago. Really weird looking vehicle.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:27 AM (v6JzV)

120 I even like gas golf carts better because if you play often enough you always have a good chance that at one time your electric cart will poop out on the 13th hole.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:27 AM (SHMXB)

121 The climate communists running New Mexico have mandated that 43% new cars by 2026 and that 80% by 2032 be EVs. My question is WTF happens when there are no EVs to buy because their stupid mandates helped drive car manufacturers out of business? Given they are delusional ideologues I can't see them budging one inch. That leaves room for some interesting solutions.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (W3n7o)
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Reversing the mandate or making lamp posts illegal I would think.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:27 AM (GZYu7)

122 Yeah, those don't make sense at all. With an ICE off-road vehicle, it's easy to haul a container of gas in case you run out of fuel. With an EV off-road vehicle, where do you plug it in? A spare battery is going to weigh a ton compared to a few gallons of gas.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:11 AM (7fElN)

The answer is so obvious I have to assume you're being disingenuous here. Obviously you attack a trailer with a diesel generator and tank of fuel. Then, if you run out of electrons, you can stop and enjoy the scenery for a few hours while your generator runs.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (T7iTv)

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Just mandate that every EV include the backup solar panel and wind sail attachments. Duh ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 21, 2024 11:27 AM (mvE0S)

123 https://tinyurl.com/4n35jt2b

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 11:16 AM (d2kuJ)

Will make it to the crash site every time.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2024 11:23 AM (GuRu/)

Make good time, too. Will beat the emergency vehicles by about 15 minutes.

Posted by: Ron White at June 21, 2024 11:28 AM (6gW4D)

124 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Is there a "test city" or meaningful fielding of all-rechargeables that we can look to for how well these things actually work?

I want to see a fleet of garbage trucks and sno-plows, city busses, road graders, everything in some form or another, prove themselves as reliable and affordable and sustainable.

Do they even fucking work? What little anecdotal evidence I've seen says "Not very well, if at all". Shouldn't it sort of be self-evident that we need to see this stuff prove itself before wholesale jettisoning the entire gasoline/diesel energy input manufacturing base?

The problem today, everything has gotten so absurd it makes it impossible to even know where to start. "Let's install functional retards in key positions in government, industry, and academia. Let's see if anyone notices!"

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2024 11:28 AM (9jZWY)

125 I'm fully convinced that the vast majority of management and leadership at mega-corps are really stupid people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (iFTx/)
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Interesting thought. It's not that they are stupid, but that they are swayed by familiarity bias. They all have the same credentials - they are all powerful successful people. Their same type of people came up with this idea. It is accepted without debate. Have had occasion to get linked up in that world a few times. My expertise once there was never challenged, and unless I got really silly there was never any push back.

That's how it works. It's why a committee of experts makes consistently bad decisions, and always will. It is the basis for why the progressive's view of the world is so wrong, why they always fail, and why they fail to even realize they are failing.
Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (GZYu7)
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I don't disagree. But what you describe is a form of stupidity to me. Pure herd mentality. The inability to think for yourself or recognize obvious problems with certain ideas is a hallmark of low intelligence. They might have the fancy degrees. But they are dumb.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:28 AM (iFTx/)

126 Fun fact, electric cars have been around almost as long as ICE cars but never became a market success. Wonder why?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

The very first automobile, built by a French inventor in 1770, was steam-powered.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:28 AM (v6JzV)

127 Just mandate that every EV include the backup solar panel and wind sail attachments. Duh ...

Just make sure the fan is big enough, or the sail-powered vehicle will lack zip.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:28 AM (xCA6C)

128 Six Years Have Now Passed Since Greta Thunberg Said We'd All Be Dead in Five Years

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I'm still alive so I can only conclude I've become a god.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:29 AM (L/fGl)

129 Saw a Cybertruck for the first time a few weeks ago. Really weird looking vehicle.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:27 AM (v6JzV)
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Quite a few in NYC. It's much bigger than I thought. Looks really goofy, like a prop in a cheap 80s sci-fi movie.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

130 Saw a Cybertruck for the first time a few weeks ago. Really weird looking vehicle.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

There's one that drives around Greenvull. Very odd.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 21, 2024 11:29 AM (qZEuM)

131 Electric cars are the cars of the future and they will always be the cars of the future.
Posted by: halfastro at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (uoXep)

Ironically, given that EVs are pushed by "progressives", electric cars are the cars of the past.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/ g43480930/history-of-electric-cars/

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:30 AM (T7iTv)

132
I'd never buy an EV vehicle. But I'm looking seriously at a 21" self propelled lawn mower. I have a solar panel to charge the battery/batteries, so zero cost to run. No gas, oil, or pain starting. The cold part of the year that drains batteries outside is not an issue, cause the grass doesn't grow then. Last but not least, my current mower is about at end of life.

I already have some Greenworks products that use the same battery and they've all been top notch. Not that I'm a climate cultist, but at my age and the shitty gas I'm tired of fighting stuff to fire up every spring.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 21, 2024 11:30 AM (RKVpM)

133 Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:26 AM (GZYu7)

No you weren’t wrong assuming . Sometimes I post thinking people can read my thoughts.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:30 AM (SHMXB)

134 Ford has a better idea.
Posted by: Way back when at June 21, 2024

***
"Have you driven a Ford lately?"

Ford LTD: "The Standard by Which Luxury Cars Are Judged"

Ford: "Quality is Job One"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 21, 2024 11:30 AM (J2vNu)

135 I'm still alive so I can only conclude I've become a god.

I hope you like ambrosia.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:30 AM (xCA6C)

136 That was quick. Never seen the ban hammer in live action before.

Posted by: Kratwurst at June 21, 2024 11:30 AM (nIRE6)

137 https://www.caranddriver.com/features/ g43480930/history-of-electric-cars/

This is the message I get:
Oops! We don't have the page you're looking for.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:31 AM (v6JzV)

138 (Of course, they squandered the opportunity to really cash in on the goodwill with the public they could have gotten from that move by not pushing the point in advertising at the time.)

They ran one ad with a guy who was in a press conference where he said he bought a Ford because they didn't take the bailout. It got ripped off the air pretty quickly.

Posted by: NR Pax at June 21, 2024 11:31 AM (lXoJ5)

139 We are the ice cream of the future.

Been that way for a few decades now.

Posted by: Dippin' Dots at June 21, 2024 11:31 AM (6gW4D)

140 I'd never buy an EV vehicle. But I'm looking seriously at a 21" self propelled lawn mower.

I bought a Jose.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:31 AM (xCA6C)

141 I bought a Honda Trail 125 as a just in case option. OK not really, I bought it for because reasons. Given that the New Mexico's climate communists have mandated the state into a EV transportation abyss I may look like an genius a few years.

Also what happens when the domestic Hamas terrorists get new orders to start setting normal cars on fire?

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (W3n7o)

142 I notice the EVs are the future guy no longer is posting.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

Montec got banned.
Posted by: T. Jefferson at June 21, 2024 11:10 AM (v6JzV)
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Not Montec who has a good argument to have an EV at today’s leases but another poster that I can’t remember name.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:14 AM (17s+e)
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Why was Montec banned? Did I miss something?

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

143 Saw a Cybertruck for the first time a few weeks ago. Really weird looking vehicle.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Looks like a 1986 CGI vehicle.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (5g81t)

144 115 Analysis By The New York Times reveals that support for Joe Biden among women is at a 20 year low for any Democrat.
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Totally consistent with our polling, which shows Biden up by 2 nationally.
- Fox News Poll

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (fs1hN)

145 I think the all out banning of gasoline will make the EV industry boom.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (17s+e)

146 Ford has a better idea.
Posted by: Way back when

Expand their buggy whip division?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:33 AM (L/fGl)

147 I'd never buy an EV vehicle.

Even if you used your PIN number to withdraw your life's savings from an ATM machine?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:33 AM (v6JzV)

148 I don't disagree. But what you describe is a form of stupidity to me. Pure herd mentality. The inability to think for yourself or recognize obvious problems with certain ideas is a hallmark of low intelligence. They might have the fancy degrees. But they are dumb.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:28 AM (iFTx/)
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HAHAHAHA! Yeah, I'm sympathetic. The problem is, when you get them out of that environment, they lose the blinders.

I think of it more as a form of hypnosis. It is much more insidious than we think.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:33 AM (GZYu7)

149 Thanks for the correction, Ford didn't get bailed out in 2008. Maybe this time, though.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 21, 2024 11:33 AM (fs1hN)

150 I'm fully convinced that the vast majority of management and leadership at mega-corps are really stupid people.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:15 AM (iFTx/)

Not stupid. They are people who have mastered the art of climbing the modern western corporate ladder. That requires understanding how to suck up to government people and globalist bankers. It doesn't require that they know anything about the product or service nominally provided by their corporation.

Their goals are not the corporation's goals. They want plaudits and wealth. If everyone else suffers... well, we left the moral/ethical world behind long ago.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:34 AM (T7iTv)

151 The best selling vehicle in the US is the Ford F-Series (750,789 units sold) of which only 24,165 were the Lightning.

https://tinyurl.com/34stn23k

Posted by: Market Forces at June 21, 2024 11:34 AM (dg+HA)

152 I'm always surprised when people are surprised when Republicans act like Big Government graft suckers.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:35 AM (dGCAG)

153 Of course it might be possible TPTB are more interested in a "bait and switch." Phase out ICE vehicles and push EV's that nobody wants. When the manufactures can't retool to go back to ICE vehicles (pick any reason) and all the EV's are either sold or sitting in junk piles... what is your option, citizen?

The elites don't want a mobile society. A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 11:35 AM (Q4IgG)

154 I'd never buy an EV vehicle.

Even if you used your PIN number to withdraw your life's savings from an ATM machine?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:33 AM (v6JzV)

Hah reminds me of my snark when I’m waiting for some doofus to finish their taking forever ATM transaction .

What’s the the guy doing . Taking out a car loan?

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:35 AM (SHMXB)

155 Analysis By The New York Times reveals that support for Joe Biden among women is at a 20 year low for any Democrat.

The polling shows that Donald Trump has an eight-point lead over Biden among women.

The turnaround is once again insane.

Four years ago, Biden led Trump by 13 points among women. Now, Trump has gained 21 points. The figures were gleaned from the Times’s average of more than 30 polls conducted since January.

The Times notes “Overall, twice as many women say they were better off financially under Mr. Trump.”

Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2024 11:26 AM (RHGPo)
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Talk about a psych op - for this to be true, the election is over and Fuck Joe Biden is going to win 5 states and the District of Columbia.

Curious what the angle is here.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:35 AM (GZYu7)

156 46 Just bring a few gallons of electricity in case you run low.

Posted by: Greenie at June 21, 2024 11:13 AM (dg+HA)
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But not everyone can afford Premium electrons. Most will have to settle for 86% charged electrons.

Posted by: Ciampino - Fri Update #44 at June 21, 2024 11:35 AM (qfLjt)

157 Why was Montec banned? Did I miss something?

A couple of cobs think repeatedly saying things they disagree with is a bannable offense.

Posted by: Because They Sure Don't Ban People Who Repeatedly Say Things They Like Hearing at June 21, 2024 11:36 AM (goiuH)

158 The lovely wife's vehicle was an Avalon until the doors fell off of it. Previously, I would have never purchased a new vehicle but, this time around, the price differential between a new and a few years old Camry was negligible. So, bought the new one.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 21, 2024

I swore I would drive my 2012 LR until the wheels fell off, and just about did. It started having some minor issues this year and I was afraid they would turn major quickly. My intent was to buy something used but low mileage, practical and efficient, responsible. So I got a new 2024 Mini Cooper John Cooper Works convertible. 😂 Sometimes I think I should not be allowed outside by myself.

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 11:36 AM (pZEOD)

159 141 I bought a Honda Trail 125 as a just in case option. OK not really, I bought it for because reasons. Given that the New Mexico's climate communists have mandated the state into a EV transportation abyss I may look like an genius a few years.

Also what happens when the domestic Hamas terrorists get new orders to start setting normal cars on fire?
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (W3n7o)
—

I’ve had a 1974 CT90 for over 30 years. Great little bike and it will crawl up a wall in the low trannny position. Great camping bike and errands at 70 MPG.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:36 AM (17s+e)

160 I'd never buy an EV vehicle. But I'm looking seriously at a 21" self propelled lawn mower.

I bought a Jose.
Posted by: Archimedes

There was a bit on Family Guy. Abraham Lincoln complains to his neighbor that his lawn is getting kind of long. He responds, "Yeah, I used to have a guy for that, you dick!"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:36 AM (L/fGl)

161 will crawl up a wall in the low trannny position

Go on...
-- Dylan Mulvaney

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

162 I think the all out banning of gasoline will make the EV industry boom.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (17s+e)

Why, it's almost as if shutting down domestic oil extraction, and then causing all the oil producing nations of the world to band together to screw over the American's and our petrodollar was a planned op.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:37 AM (dGCAG)

163 156 46 Just bring a few gallons of electricity in case you run low.

Posted by: Greenie at June 21, 2024 11:13 AM (dg+HA)
----
But not everyone can afford Premium electrons. Most will have to settle for 86% charged electrons.

Posted by: Ciampino - Fri Update #44 at June 21, 2024 11:35 AM (qfLjt)

Just put those solar cells on top of the car...that'll get you charged up in a few ~~hours~~ days.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

164 never get into the first generation of a new technology

let others spend their money and expose the defects first

that's my advice FWIW YMMV

Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer at June 21, 2024 11:37 AM (/7KEl)

165 Ford claims they will reimburse dealers in some form, but time will tell.

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Original Hunter Biden paintings?

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 21, 2024 11:37 AM (mvE0S)

166 I'm glad to see my California isn't the only Stupid State.
Misery.... company...

Posted by: torabora at June 21, 2024 11:38 AM (vZp/+)

167 164 never get into the first generation of a new technology

let others spend their money and expose the defects first

that's my advice FWIW YMMV
Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer

I really coulda used your help.

Posted by: Betamax at June 21, 2024 11:38 AM (fs1hN)

168 156 46 Just bring a few gallons of electricity in case you run low.

Posted by: Greenie at June 21, 2024 11:13 AM (dg+HA)
----
But not everyone can afford Premium electrons. Most will have to settle for 86% charged electrons.
Posted by: Ciampino - Fri Update #44 at June 21, 2024 11:35 AM (qfLjt
Maybe south of the equator?

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2024 11:38 AM (o2ZRX)

169 162 I think the all out banning of gasoline will make the EV industry boom.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (17s+e)

Why, it's almost as if shutting down domestic oil extraction, and then causing all the oil producing nations of the world to band together to screw over the American's and our petrodollar was a planned op.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:37 AM (dGCAG)

Depends what kind of boom you're looking for. I guess we'll be dependent on the McTaggart's trains running on time.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

170 Adventures with Li batteries:

https://tinyurl.com/ye27kr2j

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:39 AM (xCA6C)

171 2 I'm always surprised when people are surprised when Republicans act like Big Government graft suckers.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:35 AM (dGCAG)

My opinion is that TN wasn’t looking at this as financing an EV plant. They were looking at it as simply a big company wanting to build a plant that will result in hundreds of jobs.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:39 AM (SHMXB)

172 Maybe south of the equator?
Posted by: Eromero

No. There the electrons spin in the opposite direction.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:39 AM (v6JzV)

173 They've tried nudging and incentives. Still, the dogs are stiff necked and will not eat the food. So I assume we'll start seeing disincentives and mandates. I don't think it will occur to the authoritarians and grifters to let the market decide.

Posted by: But I'm just speculating at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (goiuH)

174 Menendez Brothers Aim for New Chance at Freedom

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Well, they are orphans.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (L/fGl)

175 If the climate communists are successful in leaving us with nothing be EVs to drive you can be assured the ability to charge it will be rationed, the cost will be bank account draining expensive, and come with an annual mileage cap. EVs are all about centralizing energy production and distribution in the hands of government.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (W3n7o)

176 Why was Montec banned? Did I miss something?
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

I got the impression he self-immolated.

But "Montec" is not his first nic, so there's a pretty good chance he's here right now, posting under a different nic.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (dGCAG)

177 138 They ran one ad with a guy who was in a press conference where he said he bought a Ford because they didn't take the bailout. It got ripped off the air pretty quickly.
Posted by: NR Pax at June 21, 2024 11:31 AM (lXoJ5)

As I recall (and Mandela effect is possible) that ad got a very little bit of blowback, and Ford ran from that line of advertising like it was a nest of spiders.

Posted by: tankdemon at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (ZbweD)

178 166 I'm glad to see my California isn't the only Stupid State.
Misery.... company...

Posted by: torabora at June 21, 2024 11:38 AM (vZp/+)

Even the State of Misery wasn't dumb enough to do that. It's the show me state, ya know.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (ynpvh)

179 93
‘ It's why a committee of experts makes consistently bad decisions, and always will. ’

No feedback loop. That’s the problem. You can be the best driver on the world but if you don’t look out the windshield you will crash and soon.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 21, 2024 11:41 AM (jbnUc)

180 170 Adventures with Li batteries:

https://tinyurl.com/ye27kr2j

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:39 AM (xCA6C)

What kinda bath was that?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:41 AM (ynpvh)

181 176 Why was Montec banned? Did I miss something?
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (iFTx/)

I got the impression he self-immolated.

But "Montec" is not his first nic, so there's a pretty good chance he's here right now, posting under a different nic.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (dGCAG)

Did he piss off CBD, or ACE?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:42 AM (ynpvh)

182 Ah, Montec got banned then? Typically, he gets himself banned directly before or after the election, every two years like clockwork.

His main thing isn't EVs. It's poll-trolling. Once the cycle winds down he lets his freak flag fly and gets the boot. I guess his timing was off and he couldn't contain himself this time.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2024 11:42 AM (0FoWg)

183 I have a battery powered push mower. I bought it as my gas powered mower is near EoL. Rust mostly. Not repairable. It's also on it's second carb and most of the associated springs, levers and rods that control the RPM.

It's been abused.

The battery mower is lighter. Other than that there's no advantage in it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 11:43 AM (Q4IgG)

184 What kinda bath was that?

Don't know.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2024 11:43 AM (xCA6C)

185
I still don't get the EV hate. EV mandate hate? Now that I can get behind.
Posted by: Are you sure about this sir?

There wouldn't be EVs at all without a mandate.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (63Dwl)

186 But "Montec" is not his first nic, so there's a pretty good chance he's here right now, posting under a different nic.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (dGCAG)

I dunno, we haven't been accused of being cultists by anyone since that tedious troll got nuked.

Posted by: spindrift at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (OguvZ)

187 Did he piss off CBD, or ACE?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

CBD, I think. But it coulda been both. Dude liked to stir the shit.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (v6JzV)

188 Montec did humble brag as good as anyone. He was a harmless contrarian and shouldn’t have been banned imho.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (SHMXB)

189 Curses. Foiled again.

Posted by: Montick at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (ArbhN)

190 145 I think the all out banning of gasoline will make the EV industry boom.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:32 AM (17s+e)

And the entire economy crash because there is no way to produce and distribute enough electricity through current poweplants and grid that all the additional EV's needing to be charged daily would require.

Posted by: tankdemon at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (ZbweD)

191 "Let the market decide"

Yeah, no. Everything they do politically is designed precisely to get around letting anybody decide anything in the first place. That's what all of this is about.

Manufacturing consent, sometimes legally, usually not. They aren't democratic and never have been. It is a means to get where they want to go. "Democracy is like riding the bus. You get off when you arrive at your destination."

Congress is mostly a ceremonial, for display purposes only affair.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (9jZWY)

192 Depends what kind of boom you're looking for. I guess we'll be dependent on the McTaggart's trains running on time.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

Fifteen minute cities, FTW!

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (dGCAG)

193 I dunno, we haven't been accused of being cultists by anyone since that tedious troll got nuked.
Posted by: spindrift

WHERE IS MY ORANGE CULT ROBE????

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)

194 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (+sD5M)

195 Don't disturb Ford while they teach themselves a valuable lesson--if they survive. The lesson is on how to build business by alienating their customer base. A time tested, proven method.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (hKoQL)

196 Montec was chasing a ban by the time he got it. You can tell when someone is ready for a ban, whether they know it or not, and he 100% was.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (JdL1m)

197 Saw a Tesla Cybertruck on the way to work this morning.

What a hideous, useless piece of hyped up garbage THAT thing is.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (+sD5M)

198 187 Did he piss off CBD, or ACE?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

CBD, I think. But it coulda been both. Dude liked to stir the shit.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (v6JzV)

That's worse than carrots in chili.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

199
Talking about solar recharging, I've had my portable solar panel for about a year. It can pump out about 400 watts under 'perfect' conditions. In that entire year I've only hit that 400 number on one day, immediately after a huge rain storm.

Most of the time, even without a cloud in the sky, and *exactly* positioned for gain, it puts out in the 200 to 250 watt range.

My guess is that there a lot of particulate matter in the air in my area - even in my rural hood. Buyer beware as always.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (RKVpM)

200 >That's how it works. It's why a committee of experts makes consistently bad decisions, and always will. It is the basis for why the progressive's view of the world is so wrong, why they always fail, and why they fail to even realize they are failing.

That's certainly true but there is a big force that helped contribute to the green movement that always seems to fly below the radar. Money. More specifically access to money.

No large company can survive without access to capital markets other than a very small group and up until recently access was largely predicated on playing along with the green agenda. Take a look at the attendees of WEF meetings. It's not all politicians. It's not even mostly politicians.

This happened very quietly earlier this year.

>>Feb 15 (Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase's (JPM.N), opens new tab and State Street's (STT.N), opens new tab investment arms on Thursday both quit a global investor coalition pushing companies to rein in climate-damaging emissions, while BlackRock (BLK.N), opens new tab said it has transferred its membership to its international arm, limiting its involvement.

Pay to play is real.

https://tinyurl.com/ysdr4z9v

Posted by: JackStraw at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (LkLld)

201 Regulatory agencies have completely upended everything in the auto world.

Congress hasn't voted on any of this, and neither did you, or anybody else.

Tell me again, please, about this "Precious Democracy".

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (9jZWY)

202 Outstanding post like usual, Buckster!

"While it’s a shame that Ford’s executives are more obedient to the climate communists in the Biden administration than they are to Ford’s own customers, at least the dealers actually understand the market they serve."

That is the divide all over the Western world these days as 'corporatists' believe in narratives like Gaia more than reality at the ground level.

I am an engineer at a highly profitable American OEM and I thank G-d that our management is resisting things that defy physics.

Posted by: Danimal28 at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (klw0w)

203 Manufacturing consent

Good to see you're feeling better, Mr. Chomsky.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (v6JzV)

204 I used to be an America First type of guy when it came to cars and trucks. Ford was my go to. Well, after SCOAMF, that all changed. I sure do love my Toyota and won't be going back to Ford again.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (Aoykm)

205 193 I dunno, we haven't been accused of being cultists by anyone since that tedious troll got nuked.
Posted by: spindrift

WHERE IS MY ORANGE CULT ROBE????

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)

At the dry cleaners. You wash it, you damage it, you buy it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

206 We lost the Constitutional argument against taxes on unrealized gains. We got a **footnote** that said this does not allow taxes on unrealized gains. Of course that makes no sense and the Democrats will argue the holding is what counts, not some obscure dicta in a footnote.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (CecP5)

207 I dunno, we haven't been accused of being cultists by anyone since that tedious troll got nuked.
Posted by: spindrift at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (OguvZ)

Mostly because the primary is over.

Because the main person arguing that Trump is kind of a cult of personality wasn't a commenter. It was Ace.

Posted by: The Lulz at June 21, 2024 11:47 AM (goiuH)

208 111 It's ironic that hybrid tech is finding one of its most useful applications in . . . supercars. [...] Economy is not the goal. Increased power and traction is.
[...]
Not only does the tech work well here, it's a market in which cost is no issue.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (iFTx/)

Full EVs are also starting to appear in this market, and it almost makes sense here, as these cars are usually not driven great distances so range is not an issue. Lotus is claiming the Emira will be their last ICE vehicle. I guess we'll see.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 21, 2024 11:47 AM (VGRuw)

209 Their goals are not the corporation's goals. They want plaudits and wealth. If everyone else suffers... well, we left the moral/ethical world behind long ago.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:34 AM (T7iTv)

Boeing’s CEO Dave Calhoun has his degree in accounting. Yep he knows tons about aerospace engineering and flight safety!!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 21, 2024 11:47 AM (SlNuN)

210 97 What is an ICE vehicle?

Posted by: Megthered at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM
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The vehicle the ICE agents pick up border crossers with and deliver them to a free hotel with benefits.

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 21, 2024 11:47 AM (+oR7L)

211 But "Montec" is not his first nic, so there's a pretty good chance he's here right now, posting under a different nic.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:40 AM (dGCAG)

I dunno, we haven't been accused of being cultists by anyone since that tedious troll got nuked.
Posted by: spindrift at June 21, 2024 11:44 AM (OguvZ)

If you hang around this place long enough (too long?), you see some people flounce or get banned or both, and then some new nic shows up, and makes you go "hmmm."

It usually takes them some time to reveal themselves again.

And I'm really not talking about anyone in particular, just a general observation.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:48 AM (dGCAG)

212 And the entire economy crash because there is no way to produce and distribute enough electricity through current poweplants and grid that all the additional EV's needing to be charged daily would require.
Posted by: tankdemon

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Omelets eggs thing

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at June 21, 2024 11:48 AM (17s+e)

213 202 Outstanding post like usual, Buckster!

"While it’s a shame that Ford’s executives are more obedient to the climate communists in the Biden administration than they are to Ford’s own customers, at least the dealers actually understand the market they serve."

That is the divide all over the Western world these days as 'corporatists' believe in narratives like Gaia more than reality at the ground level.

I am an engineer at a highly profitable American OEM and I thank G-d that our management is resisting things that defy physics.

Posted by: Danimal28 at June 21, 2024 11:46 AM (klw0w)

One can never truly defy physics; best you can do is give it the finger.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:48 AM (ynpvh)

214 Democrats will argue the holding is what counts, not some obscure dicta in a footnote.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president

That is the legally correct view.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:48 AM (v6JzV)

215 Basically a contest to see how many different threads can you turn into your own personal antagonism trip?

"Oh, EVs huh? So none of you true conservatives like big government interfering until it's something you want and then it's all GOVERN ME DADDY!"

The act gets tired.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2024 11:48 AM (JdL1m)

216 Erlinger v US
Means the non unanimous NYC Trump decision isn't holding air.

Posted by: torabora at June 21, 2024 11:48 AM (vZp/+)

217 I've been a Ford fan basically my entire life.

I can't express my displeasure with the current executive management and the unmitigatedly stupid decisions they've been making for the last several years.

Incredibly disappointing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 11:49 AM (+sD5M)

218 If you want to read about crony capitalism read about building the Transcontinental RR.

What’s cool is you can compare it to the Great Northern RR which was built in a true capitalist fashion by James Hill and other investors and was a far superior transcontinental RR.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:49 AM (SHMXB)

219 217 I've been a Ford fan basically my entire life.

I can't express my displeasure with the current executive management and the unmitigatedly stupid decisions they've been making for the last several years.

Incredibly disappointing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 11:49 AM (+sD5M)

Seems like Ford may be pining for the fjords soon.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

220 I see lots of Teslas. Obviously people are happy with them. I figure they:

1) have lots of money
2) don't travel far from the electricity trough
3) like to drive a really expensive really fast golf cart

Posted by: But don't make me buy one at June 21, 2024 11:50 AM (dg+HA)

221 Tryphena Foord >>>>>>> Henry Ford

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:50 AM (v6JzV)

222 https://www.caranddriver.com/features/ g43480930/history-of-electric-cars/

This is the message I get:
Oops! We don't have the page you're looking for.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:31 AM (v6JzV)

Remove the space I added after features/ to get around the pixy bitching about URLs limit.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 11:50 AM (T7iTv)

223 218 If you want to read about crony capitalism read about building the Transcontinental RR.

What’s cool is you can compare it to the Great Northern RR which was built in a true capitalist fashion by James Hill and other investors and was a far superior transcontinental RR.

Posted by: polynikes at June 21, 2024 11:49 AM (SHMXB)

Everything trans is bad.
Trans-fat
Tran-sexual
...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

224 IMO this "Montac" commenter was typically thin skinned about something he/she/it strongly championed but nobody else did. IOW... likely full of shit most of the time.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (Q4IgG)

225 It's ironic that hybrid tech is finding one of its most useful applications in . . . supercars. [...] Economy is not the goal. Increased power and traction is.
[...]
Not only does the tech work well here, it's a market in which cost is no issue.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:25 AM (iFTx/)

Full EVs are also starting to appear in this market, and it almost makes sense here, as these cars are usually not driven great distances so range is not an issue. Lotus is claiming the Emira will be their last ICE vehicle. I guess we'll see.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 21, 2024 11:47 AM (VGRuw)
________

True, but the all-EV supercars are tanking. And Lotus is always on the brink of collapse.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (iFTx/)

226 where in the Constitution does it say the government can tell me what car I can drive
lightbulb I can have
dishwasher
refrigerator
water heater
washer
dryer
#rhetorical

Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (/7KEl)

227 LegalInsurrection :

I do not believe in coincidences.

There is no way it is a coincidence a study connecting climate change to the reduction of the “speech complexity and productivity of politicians” came out as the media has been fighting back against videos showing Biden’s cognitive decline.

It’s not a Babylon Bee article.

Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (RHGPo)

228 WHERE IS MY ORANGE CULT ROBE????
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)
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Calm down. It's out on the electric delivery truck and should arrive by 2035 or so...(the year, not the time on a 24-hour clock)

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (7fElN)

229 Don't disturb Ford while they teach themselves a valuable lesson--if they survive. The lesson is on how to build business by alienating their customer base. A time tested, proven method.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (hKoQL)

When damn near every large corp is "alienating their customer base," you start to wonder if government interference is causing all these companies to act this way.

Free market principles generally only apply when you have, indeed, a free market. Which we don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:52 AM (dGCAG)

230 221 Tryphena Foord >>>>>>> Henry Ford

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:50 AM (v6JzV)

Had to look that up.
A name like Try-peena Ford sounds like someone into sex with cars, that is into autosexual arrousal.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:52 AM (ynpvh)

231 Remove the space I added after features/ to get around the pixy bitching about URLs limit.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

Thanks. That worked.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:52 AM (v6JzV)

232 WHERE IS MY ORANGE CULT ROBE????
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)
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Calm down. It's out on the electric delivery truck and should arrive by 2035 or so...(the year, not the time on a 24-hour clock)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (7fElN)

Can you deliver it it by jetpak guy?

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 21, 2024 11:52 AM (6gW4D)

233
The battery mower is lighter. Other than that there's no advantage in it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 11:43 AM

Due to frequent power outages in my area and a couple hundred Chinese military age youth in this country I'm paranoid as hell that they'll eventually do something evil. So my portable solar panel and 2k battery is my backup.

So I get to recharge the lawn mower battery for free. Probably save a hundred dollars a year over buying gas and oil. But I had to put out about $1,500 for the panel and battery. At some point way down the line I'll save a few bucks.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 21, 2024 11:52 AM (RKVpM)

234 IMO this "Montac" commenter was typically thin skinned about something he/she/it strongly championed but nobody else did. IOW... likely full of shit most of the time.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (Q4IgG)
_______

I didn't think he was that bad. He wasn't dumb. I think he was very opinionated and not very good at reading the room. He didn't know when enough was enough.

But a lot of what he said I agree with.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 11:53 AM (iFTx/)

235 Electric for takeoff and other acceleration requirements.

Fuel combustion for the rest. It's the ONLY way electric cars survive.

Of course, we STILL don't have enough lithium on EARTH to build all the batteries we would need, but that's not important, right?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 11:53 AM (+sD5M)

236 I've been telling you people electricity was a fad!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2024 11:53 AM (JwHpX)

237 Free market principles generally only apply when you have, indeed, a free market. Which we don't.
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I recognize this economy.
-Fascism

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 21, 2024 11:53 AM (fs1hN)

238 One can never truly defy physics; best you can do is give it the finger.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:48 AM (ynpvh)
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Best done when physics is making you its bitch...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:53 AM (7fElN)

239 IMO this "Montac" commenter was typically thin skinned about something he/she/it strongly championed but nobody else did. IOW... likely full of shit most of the time.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (Q4IgG)

He was one of a few who was married to the notion that Republicans opposing abortion was political suicide.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:53 AM (dGCAG)

240 Had to look that up.
A name like Try-peena Ford sounds like someone into sex with cars, that is into autosexual arrousal.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

She was the wife of the artist who painted this morning's artwork.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:54 AM (v6JzV)

241 >It’s not a Babylon Bee article.

Posted by: SMOD
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wait just a dad gummed minute there
are they saying politicians suck because of climate change?

Posted by: Don Black- your local Studebaker dealer at June 21, 2024 11:54 AM (/7KEl)

242 229 Don't disturb Ford while they teach themselves a valuable lesson--if they survive. The lesson is on how to build business by alienating their customer base. A time tested, proven method.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 21, 2024 11:45 AM (hKoQL)

When damn near every large corp is "alienating their customer base," you start to wonder if government interference is causing all these companies to act this way.

Free market principles generally only apply when you have, indeed, a free market. Which we don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:52 AM (dGCAG)

Leave it to the Dems and Leftists to create a slave market.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2024 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

243 Mostly because the primary is over.

No, mostly because that halfway-retarded dick is gone.

Even his final flouncing comment was a spittle-flecked scream about us all being cultists.

Posted by: spindrift at June 21, 2024 11:54 AM (OguvZ)

244 IMO this "Montac" commenter was typically thin skinned about something he/she/it strongly championed but nobody else did. IOW... likely full of shit most of the time.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (Q4IgG)

He was a "Trump is stupid" shitstir that grew incredibly tiresome.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 11:54 AM (+sD5M)

245 Boeing’s CEO Dave Calhoun has his degree in accounting. Yep he knows tons about aerospace engineering and flight safety!!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 21, 2024 11:47 AM (SlNuN)

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F. Joe's Chief Economic ~~Advisor~~ Idiot, Jared Bernstein, earned a Master's and Doctorate in ... wait for it:

Social Work!

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 21, 2024 11:54 AM (mvE0S)

246 >>When damn near every large corp is "alienating their customer base," you start to wonder if government interference is causing all these companies to act this way.

Of course it is. Big government aligned with Wall Street. Not just in the US but in virtually every western country.

Does anyone really think that the leaders of all these major corporations just got the same urge to join the green, gender bender, open borders movement at the same time despite it being bad for their bottom lines?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 21, 2024 11:54 AM (LkLld)

247 Boeing’s CEO Dave Calhoun has his degree in accounting. Yep he knows tons about aerospace engineering and flight safety!!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 21, 2024 11:47 AM (SlNuN)
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He's leaving - because his company is a dumpster fire since they worried about finance and DEI over building planes that work.

If they could pay attention to their mission - making planes that fly - they would completely torch airbus who is caught up in the self immolation that is the EU right now.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 11:54 AM (GZYu7)

248 I bought a 2023 Tacoma… not a 2024… 2023-V6.. tried and true. 2024, 4 cylinder “Turbo”.. 1st year for that… hard pass, until it proves itself. ( Toyota rarely screws up, we shall see)..

Posted by: tubal at June 21, 2024 11:55 AM (PCK5/)

249 I've been a Ford fan basically my entire life.

I can't express my displeasure with the current executive management and the unmitigatedly stupid decisions they've been making for the last several years.

Incredibly disappointing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024

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My first cars were Fords: a 1975 Ford Maverick sedan, a '65 Mercury Park Lane with the Breezeway option (the power rear window that slid down behind the rear seat), and an '84 Ford Escort. Haven't considered buying one since I moved on to Olds (2 cars), Mercedes (3), and finally Buick (3). Though I did rent a Fusion when I was in L.A. in Sept. 2014. It was a good fill-in car, but it did not give me the desire to buy one when I got home.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 21, 2024 11:55 AM (J2vNu)

250 230
Had to look that up.
A name like Try-peena Ford sounds like someone into sex with cars, that is into autosexual arrousal.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at

You need to go back in time and read the art thread, if you weren’t on it. We all broke up and then got back together.

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 11:55 AM (pZEOD)

251 Boeing’s CEO Dave Calhoun has his degree in accounting. Yep he knows tons about aerospace engineering and flight safety!!
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He doesn't seem the type to eliminate whistleblowers. Whistleblowers were eliminated nonetheless.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 21, 2024 11:55 AM (fs1hN)

252 He was one of a few who was married to the notion that Republicans opposing abortion was political suicide.
Posted by: BurtTC

And he pissed off CBD and others with his constant "the Jewish Democrat vote will go from 98% to 97.5%" shtick.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:55 AM (v6JzV)

253 Montec did humble brag as good as anyone.

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He really toned it down, once he figured out that out that wealth doesn't automatically garner respect on the Right anymore.

In some of his earlier incarnations, it was truly over the top. Stuff like "so, I was pulling up to my yacht slip in my Lamborghini, when I realized that the Right was willing to sacrifice everything for the abortion issue and now the Dems will win and raise the cap gains tax until I'm forced to sell one of my Swiss chalets. Thanks, guys."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2024 11:56 AM (0FoWg)

254 And I think the other downfall for a lot of battery cars is that they look incredibly stupid.

The Amazon delivery trucks are some of the ugliest vehicles ever developed. And I'm including the Yugo and the Reliant Robin in that list.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 11:56 AM (+sD5M)

255 If it wasn't possible to power cars with electricity they would mandate nuclear powered cars. Or unicorn poop.
Their aim is consistently to wreck everything that makes America it's about keeping us constantly in anxiety while they jack up taxes.

That's their magic power.

Posted by: torabora at June 21, 2024 11:56 AM (vZp/+)

256 I always try to buy American made cars, that’s why I favor Toyota…

Posted by: tubal at June 21, 2024 11:56 AM (PCK5/)

257 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (CGGjE)

258 You need to go back in time and read the art thread, if you weren’t on it. We all broke up and then got back together.
Posted by: Piper

Not Mannix and I, though. We're still dead to each other.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (v6JzV)

259 There is no way it is a coincidence a study connecting climate change to the reduction of the “speech complexity and productivity of politicians” came out as the media has been fighting back against videos showing Biden’s cognitive decline.

It’s not a Babylon Bee article.

Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2024 11:51 AM (RHGPo)

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"Global Warming has literally melted the brains of half the planet as exemplified by F. Joe Biden!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (mvE0S)

260 256 I always try to buy American made cars, that’s why I favor Toyota…
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Don't forget about me!

Posted by: Volkswagen at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (fs1hN)

261 It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (CGGjE)
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Way ahead of you...eating lunch right now...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (7fElN)

262 235.

Of course, we STILL don't have enough lithium on EARTH to build all the batteries we would need, but that's not important, right?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

Details.

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (pZEOD)

263 247 Kelly Johnson and the Skunk Works gang are looking down from above at Boeing and laughing their asses off.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (V5eKu)

264 >>A 2017 interview with BlackRockBLK 0.0% CEO Larry Fink has resurfaced in which he stated he wanted to force diversity and inclusion policies on companies. The quote has sparked outrage within conservative circles and debate as to the role of investment funds in the broader ESG conversation.

https://tinyurl.com/53xmazta

I'm sure the leader of the world's largest asset management company was just kidding. He would never do such a thing despite the fact he did such a thing.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (LkLld)

265 The act gets tired.
Posted by: ... at June 21, 2024 11:48 AM (JdL1m)

I think we need this.

Like any group with lots of shared views, we can get insular and be subject to groupthink. The contrarians, gadflies, and other assorted assholes stir the pot and make us sharpen our arguments.

Look at the shit that Intrepid DU Underground posts here from that site. Those guys are huffing their own farts so hard that they have no idea what unadulterated air smells and tastes like anymore.

We should use our scrollwheels more when we've had enough. (Me included.)

This place has become much more sanitized and less unruly since I first showed up here years ago. It's not a change for the better in my opinion.

I think it's mostly traceable to a couple of cobs who are at this point responsible for far too much content, which has to be fatiguing.

Posted by: But I Could Be Wrong at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (goiuH)

266 Piper is cool…. except for that Kale quirk she has…

Posted by: tubal at June 21, 2024 11:58 AM (PCK5/)

267 I’ve had a 1974 CT90 for over 30 years. Great little bike and it will crawl up a wall in the low trannny position. Great camping bike and errands at 70 MPG.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

The CT 125 gets 100 mpg which I heard is pretty good. Not sure how that translates into tons of carbon emissions per gallon though. I suppose I should fell awful about not knowing that, even worse for not caring but I don't. I took it on a 50 mile adventure for a bowl of Red Chile Colorado yesterday; I didn't feel one bit of remorse what that to did to Mother Earth. ME rewarded me with a sunburned nose. Bitch.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 21, 2024 11:58 AM (W3n7o)

268 Companies need to "divest" themselves of these woke DEI assholes, and shitcan their entire HR departments, which are universally composed of the most useless ill-educated commie scum that our esteemed universities can crank out.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at June 21, 2024 11:58 AM (XMwZJ)

269 If you want to read about crony capitalism read about building the Transcontinental RR.

Or watch Hell on Wheels.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 21, 2024 11:58 AM (5g81t)

270 He was one of a few who was married to the notion that Republicans opposing abortion was political suicide.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:53 AM (dGCAG)

In other words, highly principled.

"We need to keep completely mum about murder if we want to get elected."

I remember the same theory from "pragmatic conservatives" for various perversions. "Just talk about kitchen table issues!"

And now they are in our elementary schools, teaching our kids fisting and cutting off their junk. Is it a kitchen table issue yet?

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2024 11:59 AM (JdL1m)

271 Trump lost $130,000 on a hooker he didn't get a ride from.

Posted by: torabora at June 21, 2024 11:59 AM (vZp/+)

272 Aaaah….. Montec.. got it.

Posted by: tubal at June 21, 2024 12:00 PM (PCK5/)

273 It was a good fill-in car, but it did not give me the desire to buy one when I got home.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 21, 2024 11:55 AM (J2vNu)

My driveway is full of Fords. Daughter drives a Fusion 1.5L Ecoboost. Spunky little thing that gets over 30 mpg highway. I really like it and would drive it every day.

I drive an older Ranger 4cyl 5-speed. Love that little thing. Wife's Expedition, other than the failed rocker arm I had to replace and the clogged cat, it's been solid as a rock. My diesel F250 is brilliant.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 12:00 PM (+sD5M)

274 Gleischaultung aka "coordination".

I'm sure it's all just a coincidence. I think its considered a conspiracy theory if you notice all the stuff they do and point that out to people. Worse! It's a conspiracy wrapped in a misinformation around something irredeemably deplorable.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2024 12:00 PM (9jZWY)

275 266 Piper is cool…. except for that Kale quirk she has…
Posted by: tubal at June 21

I am framing this, but deleting the last part.

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 12:00 PM (pZEOD)

276 Saw a Tesla Cybertruck on the way to work this morning.

What a hideous, useless piece of hyped up garbage THAT thing is.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

Saw one here on the interstate about two weeks ago. Paper dealer tag and all. Looked like someone chopped the wings and fins off an OG stealth fighter and it was just taxiing around.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez fuck cancer at June 21, 2024 12:00 PM (OUMaO)

277 Piper is cool…. except for that Kale quirk she has…
Posted by: tubal

She's also hot in every aspect.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 21, 2024 12:01 PM (v6JzV)

278 When damn near every large corp is "alienating their customer base," you start to wonder if government interference is causing all these companies to act this way.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:52 AM (dGCAG)

Government interference is part of it but, possibly, a bigger part is the globalist bankers who want this.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 21, 2024 12:01 PM (T7iTv)

279 ace woke up and is posting

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 21, 2024 12:01 PM (u82oZ)

280
4 cylinder “Turbo”.. 1st year for that… hard pass, until it proves itself. ( Toyota rarely screws up, we shall see)..

Posted by: tubal at June 21, 2024 11:55 AM

In my past the 8 cylinder numbers 327, 350, and 340 have occurred. My four cylinder Toyota Rav, off the line, would have given every one of them a run for the money. Totally surprising acceleration, even on 'Eco' mode.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 21, 2024 12:01 PM (RKVpM)

281 > Or watch Hell on Wheels.
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We watched that series when it came out. It wasn't horrible.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2024 12:01 PM (Q4IgG)

282 267 I keep enough "stuff" around for a month or so, maybe longer with paper products and the like. If I was more serious, or a true prepper I would have a Trail 90 or even a Cub 50 stashed away with a few cans of go juice and some Stabil. Points and plugs and maybe a cold patch kit.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 21, 2024 12:02 PM (V5eKu)

283 Toyota has shown that there is a non-EV path to both prosperity and virtuosity with its lineup of ICE vehicles and hybrids. Ford would be wise to abandon EVs and follow that path.

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Hybridists are the gnostics of the climate religion.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 21, 2024 12:02 PM (wzAuc)

284 Posted by: But I Could Be Wrong at June 21, 2024 11:57 AM (goiuH)

I generally love different opinions and contrarian assholes. But there's a point where it overtakes every thread and makes the place actually more repetitive and boring than if they weren't there.

This is not a hard forum to remain unbanned from. You just have to pick your spots and chill on some stuff.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2024 12:02 PM (JdL1m)

285 Is that Hims snot-rag back? I'm all of a sudden getting a lot of ads from that rancid company.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2024 12:03 PM (iFTx/)

286 188
‘ He was a harmless contrarian and shouldn’t have been banned imho.’
There are others I’d have banned before him but he had a habit of persisting pass the pissed off point of particular people.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 21, 2024 12:03 PM (jbnUc)

287 Nood!!!!!

WP, Bezos, inmates running the asylum type stuff.

Posted by: tankdemon at June 21, 2024 12:04 PM (ZbweD)

288 This place has become much more sanitized and less unruly since I first showed up here years ago. It's not a change for the better in my opinion.

I think it's mostly traceable to a couple of cobs who are at this point responsible for far too much content, which has to be fatiguing.

Posted by: But I Could Be Wrong

We lost a lot of people after '16. There was always that tension between establishment-leaning and, well, not. I miss some of those folks, but it really was tedious having to re-explain how the establishment way was the way to Hell, but continually getting lectured about "electability" and "not the hill to die on" while we lost every battle for not fighting.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez fuck cancer at June 21, 2024 12:04 PM (OUMaO)

289 New York Post
@nypost
GOP Michigan rep and gun-rights supporter Neil Friske accused of chasing a stripper while firing a gun

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I think they call that a biathalon

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 21, 2024 12:05 PM (L/fGl)

290 Noodus WaPo

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 21, 2024 12:05 PM (J2vNu)

291 268 Companies need to "divest" themselves of these woke DEI assholes, and shitcan their entire HR departments, which are universally composed of the most useless ill-educated commie scum that our esteemed universities can crank out.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent

Fake news. I am well educated, despite my hilarious typos. J’s education is even better. While I left the game for my kiddo, J runs HR for a global organization as a head honcho. He is one of us. We exist out there. There is hope.

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 12:06 PM (pZEOD)

292 I wonder how those hydrogen fuel cell projects are coming along?

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 21, 2024 12:09 PM (O7YUW)

293 The climate communists running New Mexico have mandated that 43% new cars by 2026 and that 80% by 2032 be EVs. My question is WTF happens when there are no EVs to buy because their stupid mandates helped drive car manufacturers out of business? Given they are delusional ideologues I can't see them budging one inch. That leaves room for some interesting solutions.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 21, 2024 11:22 AM (W3n7o)

Yeah, put them on forced rickshaw duty.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 21, 2024 12:11 PM (VwHCD)

294 When damn near every large corp is "alienating their customer base," you start to wonder if government interference is causing all these companies to act this way.

Free market principles generally only apply when you have, indeed, a free market. Which we don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 21, 2024 11:52 AM (dGCAG)
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I see glimpses of realization that they need to re-evaluate what they are up to. Our federalist system is riding to the rescue once again. It can be messy, and a bit dangerous. But it does provide a counter weight. And these businesses are beginning to realize if you align with DC you may not have access to any of the large red states that are driving economic success - and your company's profits. If you play the game that overtly, you make yourself a target. Not even California is well enough run anymore to counter-balance. NY is a legal nightmare pulling the entire Northeast down with them - NY (with Delaware as their legal partner) are in the crosshairs of Texas trying to take them out. That judge in the Tesla case in Delaware...what were they thinking?

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 12:16 PM (GZYu7)

295 268 Companies need to "divest" themselves of these woke DEI assholes, and shitcan their entire HR departments, which are universally composed of the most useless ill-educated commie scum that our esteemed universities can crank out.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent

Fake news. I am well educated, despite my hilarious typos. J’s education is even better. While I left the game for my kiddo, J runs HR for a global organization as a head honcho. He is one of us. We exist out there. There is hope.

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2024 12:06 PM (pZEOD)
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There are more of us in the HR world than is generally known - and we are enjoying our DEI brethren getting a taste of continually being shown they were stupid as shit for going down that road.

Posted by: Black JEM at June 21, 2024 12:19 PM (GZYu7)

296 I have heard stories that there are parking lots full of unsold and unsellable Ford electrics, and I tend to believe it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 21, 2024 12:23 PM (lTGtQ)

297 Recently drove a Lightning and was very impressed with everything but the range and towing range. Excellent high-end truck costing same or less than gas/diesel comparably outfitted. I have a Ram 1500 and my ride quality doesn't compare. If range was better, would definitely buy...but it's not.

Posted by: Curse of the EV at June 21, 2024 12:24 PM (1wdUl)

298 Of course, we STILL don't have enough lithium on EARTH to build all the batteries we would need, but that's not important, right?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2024 11:53 AM (+sD5M)

Electrification is not supposed to actually work; it's supposed to put transportation out of reach for normal people.

Posted by: Emmie at June 21, 2024 12:50 PM (Sf2cq)

299 Eh, driven a Ford EV going on 3 years.

Put $97 of fuel in my Ice work van this morning. That would keep my Mustang juiced for 6 months. For a $38k car it's pretty good. As for F loosing money, well that is on F.

Math is hard and getting past politics is harder.

Posted by: Garbone at June 21, 2024 12:51 PM (EF8GF)

300 Comment: None so Blind as those that "will not see"

the left destroys everything they touch...

Meanwhile...this just in today (21JUN)...Ham Radio buddy just reported (vai radio) that he's driving family members to Denver International for a flight... Y? Because family members don't want to leave their car in a DIA airport - paid parking lot. Too much crime/theft/catalytic converters... So DIA (can't?) police their own parking lots that customers have to pay for?

Posted by: Pete at June 21, 2024 01:02 PM (0Ctrb)

301 Sounds like they might be headed in the right direction... Hybrid vehicles with hyper efficient gasoline engines that charge smaller batteries and provide direct electric motor current would be a very good idea.

Electric vehicles have inherent benefits, and if you can strip the negatives that come with massive battery packs from the electric vehicle, you have a winning combination.

The engine runs on gasoline and you can refuel as normal. No new infrastructure. The vehicle can be lighter. It gains the benefits of the electric motor torque and power. For short drives, the gasoline engine does not need to start at all. Regenerative braking and so forth.

Posted by: MarineVet at June 21, 2024 01:06 PM (VcZlJ)

302 There's nothing to worry about! If Ford loses its lunch on nonexistent EV sales, the Feds will pick up the tab!

Posted by: red speck at June 21, 2024 03:38 PM (0Id0S)

303 Biden's lame attempt to force us into EV is going to ruin him

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