THE MORNING RANT: #NeverHogan - Would Republicans Support Liz Cheney as a “GOP” Senator from Maryland?

In the election for US Senator from Maryland this November, I do not want the Republican candidate to win. A Democrat senator from Maryland will do far less harm to the Trump agenda than Larry Hogan will do if he is elected as a Republican.

I am well aware of the Buckley rule (which effectively states that conservatives should support the rightwardmost viable candidate in a given race) and I still generally support that concept. I would gladly vote for Susan Collins if I lived in Maine. But the Buckley Rule gets thrown out the window if the “rightwardmost candidate” is running on a platform of sabotaging the presidency of a Republican with a conservative agenda.

Would any among us vote for Liz Cheney if she were the Republican senate candidate in Maryland? If you wouldn’t vote for Cheney, why would you vote for Larry Hogan? He is campaigning to be the Liz Cheney of Trump’s 2nd term.

Why is Maryland Governor Larry Hogan even running for the US Senate? He makes it very clear that his motivation to trade the Governor’s Mansion for the Senate is due to his hostility toward Donald Trump, and to stop Donald Trump’s agenda.

Hogan actually stated that the precipitating event that made him decide to run is Trump’s opposition to Biden’s border agenda as laid out in Biden’s border bill this past spring. (The bill was defeated by senate Republicans, who denied it the 60 votes it needed.)

“Hogan: Trump push against bipartisan border bill made me ‘angry enough’ to run for Senate” [The Hill 3/04/2024]

Former Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) says former President Trump’s efforts to help to tank the Senate’s bipartisan border bill is the reason he decided to enter his state’s Senate race. “It’s why I decided to run for the Senate, actually,” Hogan said Monday.

An actual conservative governor, Ron DeSantis, had this to say about Biden’s border bill that Larry Hogan so passionately supported:

During a news conference in Miami Monday, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis called the Senate Bill a “farce” and a “dog and pony show” that will just exacerbate the border crisis. “People are starting to point out what a farce it is to basically say that you only shut the border down once 5,000 people a day come in illegally, which is about two million a year,” DeSantis said. “That’s basically legalizing illegal immigration.”

That is correct. Biden’s border bill would have enshrined in law the authorization for 1,825,000 million illegal aliens per year to enter and remain in the US. That is 1,825,000 more than are currently allowed under the laws that Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas are flagrantly ignoring. And Larry Hogan is so passionate about allowing 1.8 million illegal immigrants into the US each year that he wants to go to battle with Donald Trump to protect Biden’s open border when Trump is elected.

Beyond the border, Hogan has such an advanced case of Trump Derangement Syndrome that he can’t even condemn the political show trial against Donald Trump, an assault on our legal system that was so egregious that even most hardcore NeverTump conservatives objected to it. In fact, Hogan urges us all to “respect” the verdict, and to respect the legal process that is going to imprison Trump for his undefinable, victimless “crimes.” If that’s not enough, Hogan also states that we are engaging in “toxic partisanship” if we oppose the Biden administration and its allies for seeking to imprison Biden’s political adversaries.

Larry Hogan Twitter Respect the Verdict.JPG

What about judicial nominations? Hogan will almost certainly be siding with the Democrats in trying to defeat Trump’s nominees. Back in autumn of 2020, when Trump suddenly had the opportunity to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court, Governor Hogan refused to join 24 other Republican governors in a letter of support for the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett.

"I don't think we should play partisan games with the Supreme Court," Hogan said on September 23. "I think it would be a mistake for the Senate to ram through a nominee before the election on a partisan line vote…”

Hogan could not make it any clearer that he wants to go to the Senate to battle Republicans and to sabotage any conservative victories…

“Hogan says Republicans can’t count on his vote in Senate” [The Hill 5/28/2024]

“I want to say this upfront: In the Senate, Republicans can’t count on my vote,” said Hogan, the former governor of the Old Line State.

It is human nature to cheer for “our team,” be it sports, politics, or war, thus we rally around individuals wearing our team’s uniform, and it’s especially exciting to try to pull off an upset, such as winning a Senate seat from a deep-blue state like Maryland.

But if an adversary is wearing our uniform and attacking us from within our own trenches, he is far more dangerous than the guy in the far trench wearing the other side’s uniform.

It is highly probable that Republicans are going to pick up a few Senate seats in the 2024 elections and gain control of that chamber of Congress. With 60 votes needed to pass legislation, it hardly matters whether the GOP ends up with 52, 53, or 54 Senate seats. It will have a small, weak majority, with or without Hogan. The main task for the Senate in 2024 and 2025 will be approving Trump’s various nominations, especially his judicial appointments. It is already expected that Hogan will be siding with the Democrats in opposing Trump’s nominations.

But here are the most critical reasons why it is imperative that Hogan not be elected as a Republican to the Senate:

1) Committee Appointments: The Senate rules result in each committee having one more member from the majority party than from the minority party. Even if the Republicans have a senate majority, any committee that Hogan is on will have become a de facto Democrat-controlled committee, and committees have the ability to stop full-Senate votes on important agenda items. What this means is that a Senate with 53 Republicans including Hogan will have several Democrat-controlled committees, whereas a Senate with only 52 Republicans, and excluding Hogan, will not have any Hoganized committees in which control has shifted to Democrats.

2) Bipartisanship: When Larry Hogan sides with Democrats to sabotage Trump’s agenda, he will bless the Democrats’ efforts with the glow of “bipartisanship.”

3) Hearings & Impeachment: Larry Hogan will be the prominent Republican voice in support of bipartisan hearings regarding the “scandals” that will be created to take Trump out. The Democrats stand a good chance at taking the Senate back in 2026. Donald Trump’s next impeachment in 2027 will be Larry Hogan’s shining moment.

If you wouldn’t vote for Adam Kinzinger or Liz Cheney for Senate from Maryland, then please think carefully about supporting Larry Hogan.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: SturmToddler at June 14, 2024 11:00 AM (UCRjB)

2 nd?

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 14, 2024 11:00 AM (UCRjB)

3 ok, i'll fetch the otters

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 14, 2024 11:00 AM (UCRjB)

4 We're going to lose Romney and gain Hogan.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:01 AM (GBKbO)

5 corgis called

off to the content

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 14, 2024 11:01 AM (UCRjB)

6 Trump just endorsed him

Posted by: It's me donna at June 14, 2024 11:01 AM (Akjoo)

7 I am encouraged that Trump isn't making as many own goals as he did last election. No, Hogan is not a conservative, but he is about as conservative as you could be and still be elected in Maryland. It is very positive that Trump can recognize this -- there may be hope for him yet.

Posted by: Con Reeder at June 14, 2024 11:03 AM (dAMqW)

8 However, hopefully Democrats will lose Tester and Manchin at a minimum. Well, they're definitely losing Manchin.

Also, fingers crossed that they lose Brown, too, but I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that Sherrod, noted wife beater, will win re-election...again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:04 AM (GBKbO)

9
Larry Hogan: I'm No Hero '24

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 14, 2024 11:04 AM (xG4kz)

10 What ever happened to Bob Ehrlich?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:04 AM (v6JzV)

11 Hogan is pretty reflective of today's GOP.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 14, 2024 11:05 AM (Q4IgG)

12 I thought Larry Hogan was the white, weedy-looking American POW on Hogan's Heroes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2024 11:05 AM (J2vNu)

13 Wouldn't vote for Liz Cheney for dogcatcher.

Posted by: BignJames at June 14, 2024 11:05 AM (AwYPR)

14 Guess I’ll have to check and see if I vote in Maryland. The democrats never tell me where I’ve voted.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 14, 2024 11:05 AM (JTwsP)

15 If Hogan votes 25% with the Rs, that will be 25% more than any Dem on the ballot will ever vote with Rs.

We also are not certain to win the Senate or keep the Senate (if folks leave early, die, etc) - so throwing away a possible R seat in a very blue state is foolhardy at best.

Hogan sucks...but MD D's want us dead. So, I'll take suck over dead 100 times out of 100.

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:06 AM (exHjb)

16 We're going to lose Romney and gain Hogan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:01 AM (GBKbO)

maybe we lose both?

Posted by: SturmToddler at June 14, 2024 11:06 AM (UCRjB)

17 If I lived in MD, I'd probably vote 3rd party.

I usually vote 3rd party, though.

I am an asshole.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:06 AM (GBKbO)

18 Hogan sucks...but MD D's want us dead. So, I'll take suck over dead 100 times out of 100.

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:06 AM (exHjb)

If Hogan could cull the republican party of Trump voters, he'd do it in a second.

He may not be as open or hostile aboutit but he still wants you dead.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 14, 2024 11:07 AM (KbCG3)

19 I thought Larry Hogan was the white, weedy-looking American POW on Hogan's Heroes.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Larry Hovis. He played the guy who did the chemistry stuff. Probably the funniest character after Howard Caine's Maj. Hochstetter.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:07 AM (v6JzV)

20 I disagree with your assessment. Even a Hoganized committee is better than ceding control to the Dems. Control means we control the Senate and their ability to approve SCOTUS judges.

Don't get me wrong, Hogan is a RINO, but he truly IS the best we can get from MD. He will be a minor nuisance to Trump.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:07 AM (xCA6C)

21 Commenting present

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2024 11:07 AM (hRKpF)

22 Regarding Manchin...

He may have gone "independent" but I personally think he might have a desire to return to WV as governor again. The switch to independent might have been to assuage Mountaineer's distrust of his political posture.

Maybe.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 14, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)

23 Bottom line Hogan is not a Republican . He’s just one of the many Progressives wearing a Republican skin suit in order to destroy any semblance of what the Republican Party used to be.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:08 AM (SHMXB)

24 Hogan is pretty reflective of today's GOP.

That's just silly. Everyone knows what he is, and middle of the road GOP ain't it.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

25 Munchausen by Proxy could explain Larry?

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 14, 2024 11:08 AM (pZ64F)

26 I'd vote for Liz Cheney to be a Willem de Kooning model.

Posted by: spindrift at June 14, 2024 11:08 AM (OguvZ)

27 I wouldn't support Liz to be a turd tester in a sht factory

Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:09 AM (7iAr4)

28 Of course, Trump endorsed him. I cannot understand why he grants his endorsement to backstabbing twerps who hate him, and who he knows will betray him over and over.

Hogan is a stinking traitor.

Posted by: Brewingfrog at June 14, 2024 11:09 AM (SSiVM)

29 People who vote third party should be tortured, shot, AND sent to the Russian Front.

Posted by: General Burkhalter at June 14, 2024 11:09 AM (V5BDR)

30 Nigel Farage press conference today.

https://youtu.be/ZNwwYUXWRGQ

All his answers were candid and honest. Press were not friendly but failed to score.

This guy has no chance ;-).

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at June 14, 2024 11:09 AM (+xYe0)

31 Hogan wins or the D candidate wins

it's a wash

Posted by: Don Black at June 14, 2024 11:09 AM (/7KEl)

32 If a bill cannot get 9 GOP votes in Senate in to get cloture, it isn't "bipartisan" no matter how many weirdos claim it to be.

Posted by: tankdemon at June 14, 2024 11:09 AM (xY/so)

33 Of course, Trump endorsed him. I cannot understand why he grants his endorsement to backstabbing twerps who hate him, and who he knows will betray him over and over.

Because Trump knows Hogan is the best the GOP can do in MD.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:09 AM (xCA6C)

34 Hogan could form a group with Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney and other useless GOPe time servers. They could be known as "Hogan's Zeroes".

Posted by: Paco at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (njExo)

35 20 I disagree with your assessment. Even a Hoganized committee is better than ceding control to the Dems. Control means we control the Senate and their ability to approve SCOTUS judges.

Don't get me wrong, Hogan is a RINO, but he truly IS the best we can get from MD. He will be a minor nuisance to Trump.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:07 AM (xCA6C)

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If it was just a matter of left-leaning senators here and there, that'd be true.

The problem, though, at its core, is that leadership is left-leaning and sending Hogan makes them stronger and more able to manipulate things to get what they want, not what the people want, through the Senate.

If we had some sort of conservative leadership in Congress who could limit the damage, that's one thing. Instead, Hogan (and the Gang of X or whatever) will be used as the excuse why nothing can be done.

Nah. I think weakening the GOPe's bargaining position within the caucus is actually more important than the GOPe having stronger control of the machinations of Congress.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (GBKbO)

36 Trump endorsing the shit stain Hogan will not help Trump at all. Hogan will still do what he can to frustrate Trump's agenda. A pox on Hogan's house.
If I recall correctly, there was a similar stain on the Senate who used an R behind his name: Lowell Wycker (sp?) he was so bad that the grass roots Rs voted in Joe Lieberman to purge him.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (JNTt1)

37 I guess, overall, it probably SLIGHTLY helps to have someone like Hogan or Cheney in the Senate as an R instead of a Dem. Either one is a reliable vote against conservative bills and judges, so no real difference there, but I guess it make a difference in which party technically controls the Senate, so it affects the Senate agenda setting, committees, etc.

Probably not enough to convince me, and many others, to get up and vote for them, though. Just like I'm resigned not to vote for another Romney or McCain, despite the short-term problems it would cause.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (JCZqz)

38 Trump just endorsed Hogan so he’s playing the game to get Senate control which most of you are on board.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (SHMXB)

39 24 Hogan is pretty reflective of today's GOP.

That's just silly. Everyone knows what he is, and middle of the road GOP ain't it.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

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He's perfectly reflective of the middle of the road of the GOP in DC.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (GBKbO)

40 18 Hogan sucks...but MD D's want us dead. So, I'll take suck over dead 100 times out of 100.

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:06 AM (exHjb)

If Hogan could cull the republican party of Trump voters, he'd do it in a second.

He may not be as open or hostile aboutit but he still wants you dead.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 14, 2024 11:07 AM (KbCG3)

Wants it - can never act on it.

Hogan would be a win for us in 2024. He's unlikely to be more than a 1 term Senator, but for 6 years, like when AL was D, we'd have a vote which might be with us, vs certainly against us.

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (exHjb)

41 WaPo addresses child sacrifice

Katy Faust
@Advo_Katy
Discovery of the first all male site of child sacrifice tested the remains of 100 children, half of whom were 3 to 6 years old. And this is what the lead researcher has to say about it.
Moral relativism is deadly.

. . . .
‘But we have to bear in mind that death is a completely different concept for Mesoamerican cultures. … Death is not seen as a bad thing. Of course, under our perspective, it's wrong. But back then, and according to their myths and their beliefs, what they were doing was considered correct, so we cannot judge what they did under our modern point of view.'

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Now do slavery.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:11 AM (L/fGl)

42 If we had some sort of conservative leadership in Congress who could limit the damage, that's one thing. Instead, Hogan (and the Gang of X or whatever) will be used as the excuse why nothing can be done.

It would be better to have Chuck Schumer in charge?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:11 AM (xCA6C)

43 Paul Hogan >> Hogan's Heroes >> Navajo Hogan >> Any Fucking Other Hogan >> Larry Hogan

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:11 AM (iFTx/)

44 42 If we had some sort of conservative leadership in Congress who could limit the damage, that's one thing. Instead, Hogan (and the Gang of X or whatever) will be used as the excuse why nothing can be done.

It would be better to have Chuck Schumer in charge?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:11 AM (xCA6C)

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It would be no different to have Chuck Schumer in charge.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:11 AM (GBKbO)

45 Buck's trying to give me a heart attack. That pig isn't running for Senator of Maryland. She's not running for senator, she's running her mouth.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:12 AM (Iynsv)

46 Plus it's MD- Hogan has to be never trump to even have a chance-
else he can fold it up and go home right now

Posted by: Don Black at June 14, 2024 11:12 AM (/7KEl)

47 I guess, overall, it probably SLIGHTLY helps to have someone like Hogan or Cheney in the Senate as an R instead of a Dem. Either one is a reliable vote against conservative bills and judges, so no real difference there, but I guess it make a difference in which party technically controls the Senate, so it affects the Senate agenda setting, committees, etc.

That's the nub of it. Some things are binary. This is one of them.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:13 AM (xCA6C)

48 Hell, we can lose MD and still gain the Senate.

It's not a difference between Schumer and Hogan.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:14 AM (GBKbO)

49 Didn't Hogan have cancer? Did that go away?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:14 AM (v6JzV)

50 46 Plus it's MD- Hogan has to be never trump to even have a chance-
else he can fold it up and go home right now
Posted by: Don Black at June 14, 2024 11:12 AM (/7KEl)

Exactly. Just like a VA Senate candidate can't be "tear down the feds." Hogan knows how to sell to MD. You cannot be pro-Trump and win MD.

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:14 AM (exHjb)

51 It would be no different to have Chuck Schumer in charge.

Right. It made no difference that Mitch McConnell (spit) was in charge of the Senate when Merrick Garland was nominated.

We can't let our hatred of the RINO contingent muddy our thinking.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:14 AM (xCA6C)

52 38 Trump just endorsed Hogan so he’s playing the game to get Senate control which most of you are on board.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (SHMXB)

I never try to understand Trump's moves. His instincts are better than mine and he is much smarter than most of his critics. His income tax reform idea which I saw yesterday appears to be brilliant and completely outside the box.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at June 14, 2024 11:14 AM (+xYe0)

53 > He's perfectly reflective of the middle of the road of the GOP in DC.
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Yup

If we're still thinking about the abolition of the GOP as the "conservative" political party then candidates like Hogan should be avoided. The eventual demise of the GOP will not be without consequences. Everyone knows that.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 14, 2024 11:15 AM (Q4IgG)

54 51 It would be no different to have Chuck Schumer in charge.

Right. It made no difference that Mitch McConnell (spit) was in charge of the Senate when Merrick Garland was nominated.

We can't let our hatred of the RINO contingent muddy our thinking.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:14 AM (xCA6C)

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Mitch and the leadership learned their lesson. Hence the complete and total lack of fighting when KBJ came up for nomination.

The masks are off. GOPe leadership is not on our side.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

55 Hell, we can lose MD and still gain the Senate.

It's not a difference between Schumer and Hogan.

Or...we might lose the Senate by one vote.

Think of Hogan not as a GOP vote, but as a non-Dem vote.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:15 AM (xCA6C)

56 In case you missed it:

@AWRHawkins 1m
U.S. Supreme Court Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 14, 2024 11:16 AM (IG4Id)

57 Hey guys, VA has a US Senator from MN whose son is Antifa in GA. The Yankee Exodus destroys every state. They are legion.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 14, 2024 11:16 AM (pZ64F)

58 52 I never try to understand Trump's moves. His instincts are better than mine and he is much smarter than most of his critics. His income tax reform idea which I saw yesterday appears to be brilliant and completely outside the box.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at June 14, 2024 11:14 AM (+xYe0)

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Trump is a reformer who's trying to play the game. Of course he's endorsing Hogan.

I'd still vote against Hogan, though, because I am a cultist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:16 AM (GBKbO)

59 If Hogan is a vote for a Republican senate leader, then yes, support him. For Maryland, its a no brainer.

Posted by: WisRich at June 14, 2024 11:16 AM (G0vdT)

60 Mitch and the leadership learned their lesson. Hence the complete and total lack of fighting when KBJ came up for nomination.

Who controlled the Senate when her vote happened?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

61 The only vote I'd cast for Cheney is "guilty."

Posted by: Frasier Crane at June 14, 2024 11:16 AM (bNf8H)

62 The majority party sets the agenda for the senate.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 14, 2024 11:17 AM (xaxMZ)

63 55 Or...we might lose the Senate by one vote.

Think of Hogan not as a GOP vote, but as a non-Dem vote.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:15 AM (xCA6C)

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Hogan is more likely to change parties once in than he is to actually support...anything remotely conservative.

Hell, he'll probably end up voting against every political nomination Trump puts forward.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:17 AM (GBKbO)

64 If say it is a landslide for the Republicans which if this was 40 years ago Sundowner would go deeper than Carter, maybe just maybe Hogan might see the weather vain and vote according.
If he is just a plant from the Deep State than there is hardly any different than a Marxist

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2024 11:18 AM (hRKpF)

65 Hogan is more likely to change parties once in than he is to actually support...anything remotely conservative.

In which case, we've lost nothing. You aren't going to get more conservative than Hogan in MD. You just aren't.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

66 59 If Hogan is a vote for a Republican senate leader, then yes, support him. For Maryland, its a no brainer.
Posted by: WisRich at June 14, 2024 11:16 AM (G0vdT)

And he's a SIX year one if he wins, which will be big in 2026 (as much as it will be in 2024)...

It hurt to not have the AL seat for 6 years...make Dems hurt by losing the MD one for 6 years...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:18 AM (exHjb)

67 60 Mitch and the leadership learned their lesson. Hence the complete and total lack of fighting when KBJ came up for nomination.

Who controlled the Senate when her vote happened?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

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Through an agreement in an evenly divided Senate, Mitch ceded control to Schumer so that Mitch would not be in charge while letting Schumer have everything he wanted while fundraising.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:18 AM (GBKbO)

68 Doesn’t supporting Hogan rely on the idea that McConnell led senate’s republicans are doing something worth adding Hogan to?

The argument fails with me.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:18 AM (jbnUc)

69 65 Hogan is more likely to change parties once in than he is to actually support...anything remotely conservative.

In which case, we've lost nothing. You aren't going to get more conservative than Hogan in MD. You just aren't.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

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So, vote third party and say to hell with the GOP putting up shitstains that are just Democrats anyway.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (GBKbO)

70 There are really two issues in play here. The first, and most important, is that we need to get a majority of GOP senators so we control the Senate and the gavel. Majority control of the Senate is extremely important.

For this goal, we have no choice but to hold our noses and elect whatever clown has "GOP" next to their name. If that is Larry Hogan -- and there's no better GOP candidate available -- then do be it. We need 51+ GOP senators. Period.

The second goal only really comes into play if we succeed on the first. The second goal is to get GOP senators who aren't limp-wristed girlie men or Democraps in disguise. But as laudable as this goal is, it's basically meaningless if we lose goal #1 above. We are still fucked even if we have 49 rock-solid conservatives, but Schumer holds the gavel. If we don't have the majority, we have nothing.

I think too many of us focus on Goal #2 without understanding that without winning Goal #1, we are fucked anyway. Better to have majority control and some squishes than to be the minority with strong conservatives. I realize some may disagree with that. So be it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

71 >>>. . . .
‘But we have to bear in mind that death is a completely different concept for Mesoamerican cultures. … Death is not seen as a bad thing. Of course, under our perspective, it's wrong. But back then, and according to their myths and their beliefs, what they were doing was considered correct, so we cannot judge what they did under our modern point of view.'
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
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Talk to the parents of the girl MS-13 tortured and sacrificed out on Long Island.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (Iynsv)

72 Ok, now do all the other Republicans.

Only difference between any of them and Liz Cheney or Hogan is that they lie about their agenda.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (0FoWg)

73 So, vote third party and say to hell with the GOP putting up shitstains that are just Democrats anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

What third party? Libertarian? No thanks.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (v6JzV)

74 68 Doesn’t supporting Hogan rely on the idea that McConnell led senate’s republicans are doing something worth adding Hogan to?

The argument fails with me.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:18 AM (jbnUc)

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Oh, but it'll be noted Conservative Warrior Thune instead! (Assuming Mitch actually follows through and steps down, of course.)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (GBKbO)

75 Is Schumer up this time around? I'd really like to see that asswipe sent packing

what an unpleasant SOB

Posted by: Don Black at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (/7KEl)

76 Doesn’t supporting Hogan rely on the idea that McConnell led senate’s republicans are doing something worth adding Hogan to?

The argument fails with me.

McConnell won't be in charge come January. If you have a shot at reforming the Senate and taking control, why on earth wouldn't you?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:20 AM (xCA6C)

77 73 So, vote third party and say to hell with the GOP putting up shitstains that are just Democrats anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

What third party? Libertarian? No thanks.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (v6JzV)

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It's a protest vote. It's about making disgust known, not actually trying to elevate the third party to power.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:20 AM (GBKbO)

78 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 14, 2024 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

79 Hogan should be sent to the Russian Front.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 14, 2024 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

80 Unfortunately control of the Senate is on a knife edge so strategically it makes sense to get an R in for numbers alone. If D's have the senate they will just arrange constant Hearings etc and not vote a single thing through for an R prez which is far more disruptive than one POS.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (nZYm7)

81 There will be no Republican senator from Maryland.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (Iynsv)

82 70 I think too many of us focus on Goal #2 without understanding that without winning Goal #1, we are fucked anyway. Better to have majority control and some squishes than to be the minority with strong conservatives. I realize some may disagree with that. So be it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

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Eh.

I've seen #1 accomplished.

We got hearings about how Trump was Putin's stooge for it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (GBKbO)

83 When it comes to my personal convictions I don’t play the games. Let the cards fall where they may. That’s why I never made it past middle management and would make a terrible political strategist.

I do though understand those games and why they’re done.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (SHMXB)

84 If you're happy and you know it, please clap your hands!

Posted by: The Jeb Bush Campfire Singers at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (a3Q+t)

85 The way to change MD is to put the FBI HQs in Baltimore. Instantly, waterfront property in B-more will be worth billions and the inhabitants will be moved. Viola - a Red state emerges and FIBBERS get to live in B-more. The Donald Trump FBI Headquarters Building will be yuge and classy.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (pZ64F)

86 49
‘ Didn't Hogan have cancer? Did that go away?’

Apparently cancer lost its long and heroic battle with Larry Hogan.
RIP

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (jbnUc)

87 I think too many of us focus on Goal #2 without understanding that without winning Goal #1, we are fucked anyway. Better to have majority control and some squishes than to be the minority with strong conservatives. I realize some may disagree with that. So be it.

Agree. Too many of us seem to be fixated on fighting the last war.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)

88 The I-95 corridor in MD will decide

Posted by: Don Black at June 14, 2024 11:22 AM (/7KEl)

89 Why is Maryland Governor Larry Hogan even running for the US Senate? He makes it very clear that his motivation to trade the Governor’s Mansion for the Senate is due to his hostility toward Donald Trump, and to stop Donald Trump’s agenda.
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Because shit flows uphill? Because he's in a blue state and if he wants to make a pivot into a position of continued money and power (less power, but still power), he needs to get cast by the producers of the National Political Show?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 14, 2024 11:22 AM (d04cU)

90 76 McConnell won't be in charge come January. If you have a shot at reforming the Senate and taking control, why on earth wouldn't you?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:20 AM (xCA6C)

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He's not gone yet, and we have to rely on his word that he'll step down.

I'd actually call it 50/50 that he stays because the time is not right and the time calls for established leadership.

And Hogan will be the deciding vote behind closed doors to keep Mitch in charge.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

91 We have had control of the Senate and did two things with it. Diddly and squat.

Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:22 AM (7iAr4)

92 He's not gone yet, and we have to rely on his word that he'll step down.

Now you're just being contrary for the sake of it.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:23 AM (xCA6C)

93 Trump can't work with anyone and takes the slightest criticism personally because of his fragile ego, but at the same exact time he supports too many people who hate him and say mean things about him, because he's stupid.

It's really a deadly combination.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:23 AM (nZYm7)

94 Hogan will be the reliable R vote than makes every turd piece of legislation "bipartisan".

Posted by: mc at June 14, 2024 11:23 AM (TaHV5)

95 We have had control of the Senate and did two things with it. Diddly and squat.

You're right. We should never, ever seek to regain power. They might disappoint us again.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:23 AM (xCA6C)

96 82 70 I think too many of us focus on Goal #2 without understanding that without winning Goal #1, we are fucked anyway. Better to have majority control and some squishes than to be the minority with strong conservatives. I realize some may disagree with that. So be it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

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Right. The majority controls ALL of the committees, All of the appointments. We get the majority and importantly get a conservative leader and conservative heads of the committees, that's control. Nancy Pelosi+ control.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:24 AM (Iynsv)

97 I live i MD and was planning o voting for Hogan until he came out with thst statement after the Trump trial.
Now I probably won;t even bother to go to the polling place.
I can;t believe I traded MA for MD but at least the weather is better.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 11:24 AM (t/2Uw)

98 92 He's not gone yet, and we have to rely on his word that he'll step down.

Now you're just being contrary for the sake of it.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:23 AM (xCA6C)

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What do you mean?

He's still leader. He's said that he'll step down at the next Congress, but why would I trust a politician to follow through on his word that he'll cede power?

I trust Mitch saying he'll step down as much as I trusted DeSantis saying he wouldn't run for president during his re-election in 2022.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:24 AM (GBKbO)

99 I think too many of us focus on Goal #2 without understanding that without winning Goal #1, we are fucked anyway. Better to have majority control and some squishes than to be the minority with strong conservatives. I realize some may disagree with that. So be it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

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Eh.

I've seen #1 accomplished.

We got hearings about how Trump was Putin's stooge for it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:21 AM (GBKbO)
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Huh? When where there such hearings in the Senate when we had 51+ control? I'm not talking about a referral from the House where technically it had to be considered. Maybe I'm missing something, but IIRC all the mischegas and stupidity happened after we lost the majority (in both the house and senate).

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:24 AM (iFTx/)

100 In MD, he was pro-charter schools, pro-low taxes (and not overspending), and pro-road construction (he canceled a train boondoggle and took the money for roads), and he's pro-Israel.

That's not nothing for a MD R.

You may hate him (and I do), but if I was in MD, he'd be a certain vote.

Just in like VA, my spouse and I are considering the Senate candidates, and one whose positions I like more has to go, b/c "tearing down the administrative state" as a stated out loud position won't win VA...and I want to try to win the VA Senate seat...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:24 AM (exHjb)

101 HOly F, what an idiot~!

@NixxieKnocks 5m
Sotomayor admitting AR-15s are in common use is kind of a self own for liberals who want to ban them.

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She also wrote that the A-15 is a semi-auto, not an auto.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 14, 2024 11:25 AM (IG4Id)

102 He's a lumberjack and he's OK!

https://shorturl.at/JUMXp

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:25 AM (L/fGl)

103 BTW, here's an interesting piece on actions being taken by the GOP to ensure election integrity.

https://tinyurl.com/35au8fdy

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (xCA6C)

104 So let's say Trump wins.
It's gonna take a landslide, right?
That's going to sweep a lot of Republicans into office.
More than enough where the Senate won't need Hogan for a majority.
And that's the only value he can offer Republicans.
Everything else, he'll be a reliable Democrat vote.

Better a Democrat against you than a Republican always trying to gin up a "gang of" to undermine conservatives.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (Yjv8K)

105 The senate republicans need to pick a leader who will fight, not Mitch's clone. They won't though, they have always been a disappointment and always will.

Posted by: TC at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (FjlUt)

106 Hogan's a pest, but he's not likely to be worse in that position than would a standard-issue Maryland Democrat. Cheney is responsible for propagating the J6 hoax. She's unfit for public office no matter where she's running. Her mother and father are old and retired and will not be seeking public office; any other proximate family member of her's should carry a taint unless they're willing to denounce her activities during her last term in Congress.

Posted by: Art Deco at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (SHrUD)

107 Larry Hogan is pro abortion and basically anti death penalty. He should be kicked out of the Republican Party.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (SHMXB)

108 Archimedes, I would love to have power but 5 sqish Senators voting with Dem's to kill "conservatve " legislation ain't power.

Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (7iAr4)

109 104 So let's say Trump wins.
It's gonna take a landslide, right?
That's going to sweep a lot of Republicans into office.
More than enough where the Senate won't need Hogan for a majority.
And that's the only value he can offer Republicans.
Everything else, he'll be a reliable Democrat vote.

Better a Democrat against you than a Republican always trying to gin up a "gang of" to undermine conservatives.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (Yjv8K)

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Mitch will spend more money electing Hogan than he will trying to defeat Sherrod Brown in Ohio.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (GBKbO)

110 Majority control of the Senate is extremely important.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

Essential. Trump will need to get his principal appointees through confirmation without delay.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at June 14, 2024 11:27 AM (+xYe0)

111 "tearing down the administrative state" as a stated out loud position won't win VA...and I want to try to win the VA Senate seat...

Who said that?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)

112 111 "tearing down the administrative state" as a stated out loud position won't win VA...and I want to try to win the VA Senate seat...

Who said that?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)

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To be fair...I say it all the time.

But I'm not running for election!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)

113 97 I live i MD and was planning o voting for Hogan until he came out with thst statement after the Trump trial.
Now I probably won;t even bother to go to the polling place.
I can;t believe I traded MA for MD but at least the weather is better.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 11:24 AM (t/2Uw)

Please vote for Hogan - you really don't want the D that's gonna be on the ballot...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:27 AM (exHjb)

114 91 We have had control of the Senate and did two things with it. Diddly and squat.
Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:22 AM (7iAr4)
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We're finally getting some adults with character in the House and half the people here think they are trouble makers. We've got Paul and Cruz and a couple of others in the Senate. Hopefully, Trump's coattails will drag more conservatives across the line.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:28 AM (Iynsv)

115 In MD, he was pro-charter schools, pro-low taxes (and not overspending), and pro-road construction (he canceled a train boondoggle and took the money for roads), and he's pro-Israel.

That's not nothing for a MD R.

You may hate him (and I do), but if I was in MD, he'd be a certain vote.

Just in like VA, my spouse and I are considering the Senate candidates, and one whose positions I like more has to go, b/c "tearing down the administrative state" as a stated out loud position won't win VA...and I want to try to win the VA Senate seat...
Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:24 AM (exHjb)

Good summation of "lockdown" Larry. He was also about as 2A-friendly as one could hope for in MD. Am I gonna vote for him over the Dem opponent? Probably. But the real vote I'll be making at some point is with my feet when I can finally move out of the state.

Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2024 11:28 AM (RhGG0)

116 It's a protest vote. It's about making disgust known, not actually trying to elevate the third party to power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Then why bother voting at all? It's not like the GOPe is gonna know how you voted and say "Oh no, we've lost TJM! We must reverse course, stat!

Protest voting just does not make any sense to me.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:28 AM (v6JzV)

117 Hogan actually stated that the precipitating event that made him decide to run is Trump’s opposition to Biden’s border agenda as laid out in Biden’s border bill this past spring. (The bill was defeated by senate Republicans, who denied it the 60 votes it needed.)

Abbott and DeathSantis should flood Maryland with wetbacks. Hundreds of thousands.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 14, 2024 11:28 AM (qFD19)

118 Posted by: Art Deco at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (SHrUD)

Hogan just didn’t have the opportunity. He’s worse than Cheney in my opinion.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:28 AM (SHMXB)

119 BTW, here's an interesting piece on actions being taken by the GOP to ensure election integrity.

https://tinyurl.com/35au8fdy
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:26 AM (xCA6C)
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I'm happy about that and would love to be encouraged. I'm trying to be. But it's gonna take more than words and even papers filed in lawsuits to pull the 10-foot pole out of my ass that the GOP's electoral stupidity and ineptitude rammed up there in 2020 and 2022.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

120 I don't vote for my reps to be 'bipartisan.' I elect them to lay waste to those that conspire against freedom and the American way of life.

F*ck right off with that bipartisanship bullshit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 14, 2024 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)

121 Less than 5 months til this circus, the gayest show on earth, folds its tents and trundles off into the countryside for a blessed six months.

Before it comes back for eighteen more

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 14, 2024 11:29 AM (0FoWg)

122 =======

Mitch will spend more money electing Hogan than he will trying to defeat Sherrod Brown in Ohio.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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Mitch the bitch.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:29 AM (Iynsv)

123 I'm happy about that and would love to be encouraged. I'm trying to be. But it's gonna take more than words and even papers filed in lawsuits to pull the 10-foot pole out of my ass that the GOP's electoral stupidity and ineptitude rammed up there in 2020 and 2022.

I concur. I'm just pointing out that those who say "nothing is being done" are wrong.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:30 AM (xCA6C)

124 We have had control of the Senate and did two things with it. Diddly and squat.

Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:22 AM

They also accomplished Jack and $hit to go along with that.

Let's face facts, at this point the only thing that control of the senate does is to let Trump appoint as many judges as he can.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2024 11:30 AM (QNSds)

125 57. The Yankee Exodus destroys every state. They are legion. - Pudinhead

Amen, brother (former Northern Virginia resident).

Posted by: Paco at June 14, 2024 11:30 AM (njExo)

126 By the way, in case it hasn't been mentioned - today is National Bourbon Day. Yes, that's every day for me, but the rest of you* should join me today in drinking copious amounts of it!

*RMBS, browndog, and you other scotch drinkers can just keep your dirt-water thoughts to yourselves today!!

Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2024 11:31 AM (RhGG0)

127 111 "tearing down the administrative state" as a stated out loud position won't win VA...and I want to try to win the VA Senate seat...

Who said that?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)

Jonathan Walker Emord

Trump has endorsed Cao, who I think can win...although it's not likely...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:31 AM (exHjb)

128 I'd like an RNC with the attitude of Toe the Line or GTFO.

Posted by: TC at June 14, 2024 11:31 AM (FjlUt)

129 Let's face facts, at this point the only thing that control of the senate does is to let Trump appoint as many judges as he can.

Assuming you're right, that's still a huge thing.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:31 AM (xCA6C)

130 Sponge, Amen

Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:32 AM (7iAr4)

131 116 Then why bother voting at all? It's not like the GOPe is gonna know how you voted and say "Oh no, we've lost TJM! We must reverse course, stat!

Protest voting just does not make any sense to me.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:28 AM (v6JzV)

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I think it does a few things.

Mainly, though, while the one vote doesn't mean anything, but if 3rd parties gain further support over cycles because the main two are shit, then the main two will either adapt or die. My hope is that my small contribution to the 3rd party elicits reform at some point. I know my vote for the GOP won't do that (also, individual votes count for so little in elections of this size, that voting at all can be shoved off with the same logic).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO)

132 Trump has endorsed Cao, who I think can win...although it's not likely...

Agree.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

133 76
‘ If you have a shot at reforming the Senate and taking control, why on earth wouldn't you?’

I understand your argument but do not agree with your premise. If control of the senate is a close thing, Hogan will hold all legislation hostage until he gets what he want. Up to and including revoking himself from the caucus. He won’t let anything we would want through. He would make sure a lot of stuff that we hate did get through.
If control of the senate isn’t close, Hogan is an irrelevant pest.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:33 AM (jbnUc)

134 119 I'm happy about that and would love to be encouraged. I'm trying to be. But it's gonna take more than words and even papers filed in lawsuits to pull the 10-foot pole out of my ass that the GOP's electoral stupidity and ineptitude rammed up there in 2020 and 2022.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

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A court at crunch time saying, "Hey...ballot box stuffing is bad and has to stop and the people who did it need to be tarred and feathered," would do wonders for my outlook.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:33 AM (GBKbO)

135 Judicial appts are kind of a big deal. Granted I'm absolutely fine with anyone who checks out from voting for any of these turds.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (nZYm7)

136 I don't vote for my reps to be 'bipartisan.' I elect them to lay waste to those that conspire against freedom and the American way of life.

F*ck right off with that bipartisanship bullshit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 14, 2024 11:29 AM

There is much iron in Sponge's words.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (Wnv9h)

137 "I am well aware of the Buckley rule..."

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Buckley can rot in hell. He was a CIA man, masquerading as Mr. Conservative, for the purpose of controlling the opposition to Deep State rule.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (dGCAG)

138 I understand your argument but do not agree with your premise. If control of the senate is a close thing, Hogan will hold all legislation hostage until he gets what he want. Up to and including revoking himself from the caucus. He won’t let anything we would want through. He would make sure a lot of stuff that we hate did get through.

In which case, you've lost nothing over having a Dem in that seat, but still retained control of the Senate.

If control of the senate isn’t close, Hogan is an irrelevant pest.

Correct.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (xCA6C)

139 I endorse the Throckmorton Rule over the Buckley Rule, for the reasons Buck stated.

In short, Hogan can go jump off a bridge.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (UlAse)

140 Chicago Doubles Education Spending, Scores Tank Faster Than Biden's Approval Rating

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What?!!! Throwing money at a problem doesn't automatically solve it?!!!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)

141 Weird day when me and Archimedes agree. We should have a beer now while we can.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (nZYm7)

142 We're going to lose Romney and gain Hogan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:01 AM (GBKbO)
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Lose four inches and gain fifty pounds.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 14, 2024 11:35 AM (UlAse)

143
What?!!! Throwing money at a problem doesn't automatically solve it?!!!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)

Well, when you throw the money at corrupt union goons.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 14, 2024 11:35 AM (Zz0t1)

144 Weird day when me and Archimedes agree. We should have a beer now while we can.
Posted by: ...

I can arrange a beer summit.
-- Barack H. Obama

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (v6JzV)

145 133 76
‘ If you have a shot at reforming the Senate and taking control, why on earth wouldn't you?’

I understand your argument but do not agree with your premise. If control of the senate is a close thing, Hogan will hold all legislation hostage until he gets what he want. Up to and including revoking himself from the caucus. He won’t let anything we would want through. He would make sure a lot of stuff that we hate did get through.
If control of the senate isn’t close, Hogan is an irrelevant pest.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:33 AM (jbnUc)

If Dems gets 51 votes, they will do whatever they want. They take power and absolutely destroy us.
If Rs get 51 votes, the worst that happens is nothing. That's 4 years we all live in peace.

It's not a hard call. Ever. When you see what Dems are willing to do with 1 vote majorities.

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (exHjb)

146 128 I'd like an RNC with the attitude of Toe the Line or GTFO.
Posted by: TC
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They are working on it and Trump's pushing it.
Welcome to the fray.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (Iynsv)

147 Weird day when me and Archimedes agree. We should have a beer now while we can.
Posted by: ...

I can arrange a beer summit.
-- Barack H. Obama

I drink Scotch.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (xCA6C)

148 If the rich white male candidate had won the D primary here instead of the black female candidate, Hogan would have had a chance. But you are dreaming of you think he has a chance now. Yes, I'll probably vote but like my vote in MA, Republicans can never get a majority. MA has had squishy Republican governors just like here but electing anyone else State wide is nearly impossible. I lived in a conservative part of the state and my congressman was McGovern whose claim to fame saw him shaking hands with Fidel Castro.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (t/2Uw)

149 As for Hogan, I couldn't possibly care less.

In the Senate, whichever side of 50 the R's are on, you could blow up the building*, killing all of them, and the world, on balance, would be a better place.

*I'm not advocating for such a thing, just illustrating a point. Don't at me, NSA.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (dGCAG)

150 I'd like an RNC with the attitude of a horse with a shattered fetlock, as the farmer approaches with the .357.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (0FoWg)

151 92
‘ Now you're just being contrary for the sake of it.’
No, he isn’t.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (jbnUc)

152 I'd like an RNC with the attitude of Toe the Line or GTFO.

I'd like a night with 21-year-old Sophie Marceau. I'm unlikely to get either.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (xCA6C)

153 I drink Scotch.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (xCA6C)

See, we can't even agree on a drink. And all is right with the world again.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (nZYm7)

154 CDC preparing for possibility bird flu spreads more easily.

*LOOKS AT CALENDAR*

Posted by: It's happening at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (BV6iw)

155 If I lived in Maryland I'd vote Democrat, just because of this. The Republican party can't afford more wolves in sheep's clothing. Hogan was the best governor you could elect in Maryland, and that's fine, but his Senate aspirations will affect a lot more than Maryland, and it won't be in a positive way. If you're a conservative, you owe it to yourself to consider not just staying home, but holding your nose and actually voting *against* Hogan.

Posted by: Caiwyn at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (BaIXK)

156 151 92
‘ Now you're just being contrary for the sake of it.’
No, he isn’t.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (jbnUc)

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After Mitch's history, I see no reason at all not to believe him when he pinky swears that he'll cede power!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (GBKbO)

157 Super genius Mad Max speaks!

Maxine Waters Says DEI is Important Because It Helps Black Prosecutors Go After Trump

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (L/fGl)

158 I drink Scotch.
Posted by: Archimedes

Don't tell Doof.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

159 Judicial appts are kind of a big deal. Granted I'm absolutely fine with anyone who checks out from voting for any of these turds.
Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:34 AM (nZYm7)

Imagine a world where judges are not replaced, because they can't get the necessary votes in the Senate.

So they just die off, and the seats remain vacant.

Oh, what a wonderful world that would be.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (dGCAG)

160 Doof, have you ever been to Bourbon Boulevard in Chantilly, VA?

Good selection of bourbons there.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (v6JzV)

161 If I lived in Maryland I'd vote Democrat, just because of this. The Republican party can't afford more wolves in sheep's clothing.

That wolf has a giant neon sign on his head and day-glo wool. Nobody thinks he's a sheep.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (xCA6C)

162 158 I drink Scotch.
Posted by: Archimedes

Don't tell Doof.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

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Or...do tell him...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (GBKbO)

163 >>>If control of the senate is a close thing, Hogan will hold all legislation hostage until he gets what he want.
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You forget that it's possible to shove him into the coat room and whack him with socks full of soap - figuratively.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (Iynsv)

164 *hands Archimedes a Balvenie *

Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (7iAr4)

165 I understand holding your nose and voting for the least worse but in Hogan’s case he is a disruptor who will try to handcuff all of the Right’s/Trump’s agenda from the inside and hold the weak Republicans hostage if the their hold on the Senate is a very slim margin.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (SHMXB)

166 Weird day when me and Archimedes agree. We should have a beer now while we can.
Posted by: ...

I can arrange a beer summit.
-- Barack H. Obama
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (v6JzV)
___________

"NO GUYS, DON'T LISTEN TO THIS FAG. IT'S A TRAP!"

-- Obama's Murdered Chef

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)

167 163 You forget that it's possible to shove him into the coat room and whack him with socks full of soap - figuratively.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (Iynsv)

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Hogan will be #5 in leadership before he even gets sweared in.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:40 AM (GBKbO)

168 I drink Scotch.
Posted by: Archimedes

Don't tell Doof.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

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Or...do tell him...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (GBKbO)

*squints eyes and purses lips*

Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2024 11:40 AM (RhGG0)

169 Felonies, shmelonies.

Despite Evidence Of Felonies, No Arrests Made At Pro-Hamas Protest Outside White House

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:40 AM (L/fGl)

170 Doof, have you ever been to Bourbon Boulevard in Chantilly, VA?

Good selection of bourbons there.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (v6JzV)

Have not been there. Will check that out if I'm ever in the area. Thanks!

Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2024 11:41 AM (RhGG0)

171 *hands Archimedes a Balvenie *

Balvenie is good, especially the Doublewood, but I'm really a Talisker man. Love the peaty smoke.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:41 AM (xCA6C)

172 167 163 You forget that it's possible to shove him into the coat room and whack him with socks full of soap - figuratively.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (Iynsv)

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Hogan will be #5 in leadership before he even gets sweared in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:40 AM (GBKbO)

Hogan will only get one term as MD Ds swear to never make the same mistake again.

Like AL, this is our one shot. And like AL, Hogan has no shot at any actual power in the Senate...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:41 AM (exHjb)

173 I'd like an RNC with the attitude of a horse with a shattered fetlock, as the farmer approaches with the .357.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 14, 2024 11:36 AM (0FoWg)

I root for them to be sentient cows. They see the farmer approaching with the bolt gun, and they know EXACTLY what's coming next.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:41 AM (dGCAG)

174 If control of the senate is a close thing, Hogan will hold all legislation hostage until he gets what he want.

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Hogan will play a common role in the Senate GOP - holding legislation """hostage""' until he gets what a large majority of their caucus wants, but won't admit to wanting.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 14, 2024 11:41 AM (0FoWg)

175 why do you all imagine a Senator Hogan would be such an influential character?

Posted by: Don Black at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (/7KEl)

176 "NO GUYS, DON'T LISTEN TO THIS FAG. IT'S A TRAP!"

-- Obama's Murdered Chef

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)

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"THIS!"

-- Obama's Butchered Dog Kennel

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (NGa9E)

177 I like bourbon myself but all alcohol is pretty much a no go for me. Not that I was ever a big drinker.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (nZYm7)

178 174 Hogan will play a common role in the Senate GOP - holding legislation """hostage""' until he gets what a large majority of their caucus wants, but won't admit to wanting.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 14, 2024 11:41 AM (0FoWg)

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Your paying attention to how things actually play out is unhelpful to the Go Team Red narrative.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (GBKbO)

179 I understand holding your nose and voting for the least worse but in Hogan’s case he is a disruptor who will try to handcuff all of the Right’s/Trump’s agenda from the inside and hold the weak Republicans hostage if the their hold on the Senate is a very slim margin.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:39 AM

As noted above, this is a binary choice. You either get hogan or a democrat. If I lived in MD I know who I would vote for and it ain't the democrat.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (QNSds)

180 "The plain truth is that Adam Eget is an alcoholic and that’s why he doesn’t drink. Me, I’m not an alcoholic and that’s why I do drink. Life sure is funny that way." - Norm Macdonald

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (nZYm7)

181 Hogan will be #5 in leadership before he even gets sweared in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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Then we know which 4 are to take him to the closet.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (Iynsv)

182 Have not been there. Will check that out if I'm ever in the area. Thanks!
Posted by: Doof

It's close to Dulles Airport, so if you ever fly out/into Dulles, you should check it out.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:43 AM (v6JzV)

183 why do you all imagine a Senator Hogan would be such an influential character?

Posted by: Don Black at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (/7KEl)

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He had a hit TV show back in the late 60's.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 11:43 AM (NGa9E)

184 Hogan may very well be a broken clock for Trump in the Senate, but he's also a despicable, backstabbing, Marxist-adjacent, Democrat-loving sack of monkey shit.

Thank God I don't live in Md. Would I vote for him? In a presidential year? Yes. Because I'm voting already. If he's the sole election? Depends on what's on TV. Do I feel like driving?

In this hypothetical, I live in Md. So to be honest, I'd probably have committed suicide well before this election.

Posted by: Smoothbrain McShitlib at June 14, 2024 11:43 AM (N/oGZ)

185 Hate speech!

Local TV Employee Fired for "Straight Pride" Post

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:43 AM (L/fGl)

186 He's not gone yet, and we have to rely on his word that he'll step down.

I'd actually call it 50/50 that he stays because the time is not right and the time calls for established leadership.

And Hogan will be the deciding vote behind closed doors to keep Mitch in charge.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

McConnell is at this point just a barely sentient cow. He's stay in office if his handlers want him to.

If there are words coming out of his mouth, they don't mean anything. In part because he's a pathological liar, and in part because he's a puppet with a hand up his arse, just like Biden.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:44 AM (dGCAG)

187 The senate republicans need to pick a leader who will fight, not Mitch's clone. They won't though, they have always been a disappointment and always will.
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Good point.
Hogan can not be a deciding vote for majority as the Rs will have a 2-3 seat majority.

But he can very well be the deciding vote for a squish for leader.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 14, 2024 11:44 AM (knLeA)

188 Felonies, shmelonies.

Despite Evidence Of Felonies, No Arrests Made At Pro-Hamas Protest Outside White House
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:40 AM (L/fGl)

But they got a five year prison sentence for the non violent senior citizen abortion mill protestor.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:44 AM (SHMXB)

189 181 Hogan will be #5 in leadership before he even gets sweared in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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Doesn't the head of the senate control the purse strings and the perk strings? Have something to do with committee appointments?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:44 AM (Iynsv)

190 I would still support a "liberal" Republican over some left-wing Democrat from Maryland. Youre going to get support on judicial nominations, tax policy, spending, etc. I dont like Hogan but his signature issue was taxes.

We just dont have the margins to really indulge in only having Deep Red State Senators.

If Dems control the Senate, Trump will get ZERO SC nominations through.

Posted by: Blago at June 14, 2024 11:44 AM (wMRY8)

191 Today is the 249th birthday of the U.S. Army.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 14, 2024 11:45 AM (lgdZs)

192 It's close to Dulles Airport, so if you ever fly out/into Dulles, you should check it out.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:43 AM (v6JzV)

I make it a habit to NEVER have to fly into / out of Dulles

Posted by: Doof at June 14, 2024 11:46 AM (RhGG0)

193 Angela Alsobrooks was a Biden delegate in 2020 and a Kamala Harris fangirl...you are getting the ultimate in team Biden (and everything that entails) if you vote for the MD D...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:46 AM (exHjb)

194 Barring death, who is leaving the Supreme Court in the next 4 years?

Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (7iAr4)

195 We just dont have the margins to really indulge in only having Deep Red State Senators.

If Dems control the Senate, Trump will get ZERO SC nominations through.

Posted by: Blago
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Thank you.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (Iynsv)

196 I'd rather have a squad at my back without anyone I couldn't count on than have a Quisling backing me up.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (pUmP9)

197 I agree that control of the Senate is essential because of committee makeup and Senate leader but I just don;t think Hogan can get elected at this point. Why would a D vote for Hogan when Alsobrooks is a POC female? She checks all the boxes for a Democrat in the same way Kamala Harris did. Nothing else will matter. I will vote Republican down the line but havign grown up in CT and lived in MA, Hogan is a hopeless cause.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (t/2Uw)

198 He had a hit TV show back in the late 60's.
Posted by: ShainS

One thing that strikes me when I watch that show now is how the title character is most unlikeable person in it. Even the Germans are more likeable than Hogan.

Bob Crane played asshole well.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)

199 *hands Archimedes a Balvenie *
Posted by: Ben HaduButker

Hands Archimedes a handle of Famous Grouse.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (qFD19)

200 Hogan will play a common role in the Senate GOP - holding legislation """hostage""' until he gets what a large majority of their caucus wants, but won't admit to wanting.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 14, 2024 11:41 AM (0FoWg)

Your paying attention to how things actually play out is unhelpful to the Go Team Red narrative.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin while riding the Wasteland with Mad Max at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (GBKbO)

You guys are suggesting our Republicans are not really stalwart conservatives, and that's just not acceptable.

Not acceptable!!

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:48 AM (dGCAG)

201 Honestly, we could keep the Buckley rule in effect in all cases if GOP "leadership" actually lead.

Lets take Cheney for example...
If she was immediately removed from committee assignments for bucking leadership it all would have ended much sooner.. but weak Kevin decided he'd do nothing.. then only after a few more weeks of being embarrassed publicly did he finally respond.
The problem with the GOP and why we cannot evoke the Buckley rule, is Hogan will probably find himself in strong committee positions... even though his public stances should sit him in the rear with the gear.

So really, what we need is leadership willing to defend the base publicly and privately.

Posted by: Inogame at June 14, 2024 11:48 AM (53oGX)

202 187 The senate republicans need to pick a leader who will fight, not Mitch's clone. They won't though, they have always been a disappointment and always will.
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Good point.
Hogan can not be a deciding vote for majority as the Rs will have a 2-3 seat majority.

But he can very well be the deciding vote for a squish for leader.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 14, 2024 11:44 AM (knLeA)

We HOPE Rs will have a 2-3 vote S majority...but we thought that last election, too.

You don't win seats if you don't vote for your candidates. D's know that...always.

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:48 AM (exHjb)

203 party politics......we'll see if all this shit matters come November 6.

Posted by: JROD at June 14, 2024 11:48 AM (IlL6s)

204 Wonder when the commies are going to rename Reagan airport.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 14, 2024 11:48 AM (qZEuM)

205 As noted above, this is a binary choice. You either get hogan or a democrat. If I lived in MD I know who I would vote for and it ain't the democrat.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (QNSds)

There is a Democrat Maryland Senator now. Focus on getting your majority someplace else. Hogan is not your usual binary choice . He’s not just a bad Republican. He’s a dangerous Republican that can do more harm than good.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:49 AM (SHMXB)

206 We just dont have the margins to really indulge in only having Deep Red State Senators.

If Dems control the Senate, Trump will get ZERO SC nominations through.

Posted by: Blago

If RINOs control the Senate, same outcome.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 14, 2024 11:49 AM (qFD19)

207 Barring death, who is leaving the Supreme Court in the next 4 years?
Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (7iAr4)

It's not just SC it's all the judicial picks.

Again I find myself on a strange side of an argument where I'm saying that anything matters but as much as anything does this is easy pickins.

Like if miraculously Trump gets in we waste a tremendous opportunity to throw a dent in their plans for a while. And it's extremely likely Trump will be the last R president - and certainly the last one on our side - for some decades.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:49 AM (nZYm7)

208 MDer here. I can't wait to not vote for this turd.

Posted by: redsweater at June 14, 2024 11:49 AM (kbna3)

209 197 I agree that control of the Senate is essential because of committee makeup and Senate leader but I just don;t think Hogan can get elected at this point. Why would a D vote for Hogan when Alsobrooks is a POC female? She checks all the boxes for a Democrat in the same way Kamala Harris did. Nothing else will matter. I will vote Republican down the line but havign grown up in CT and lived in MA, Hogan is a hopeless cause.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (t/2Uw)

B/c it's hard for black women to win state wide seats - black men don't always like to vote for them (which never happens in the reverse)...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:49 AM (exHjb)

210 It's a protest vote. It's about making disgust known, not actually trying to elevate the third party to power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Have any "protest votes" ever been remembered by the protested Party 2 or 4 or 6 years later, when it matters, though?

Did the GOP run a firebrand fiscal conservative after H Ross put up his "huge" third-party win in '92? Or did they run the most boring man imaginable, only remembered for referring to himself in the third person, and reduced to hawking Viagra a couple years later?

Posted by: mikeski at June 14, 2024 11:49 AM (DgGvY)

211 Having solved all other problems . . .

NYC Mayor Eric Adams Lays Into Nathan’s Hot Dog Eating Contest For Banning Joey Chestnut

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:50 AM (L/fGl)

212 I agree that control of the Senate is essential because of committee makeup and Senate leader but I just don;t think Hogan can get elected at this point. Why would a D vote for Hogan when Alsobrooks is a POC female? She checks all the boxes for a Democrat in the same way Kamala Harris did. Nothing else will matter. I will vote Republican down the line but havign grown up in CT and lived in MA, Hogan is a hopeless cause.

Could be, but you really have nothing to lose.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:50 AM (xCA6C)

213 If Dems control the Senate, Trump will get ZERO SC nominations through.

Posted by: Blago
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Thank you.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:47 AM (Iynsv)

I know it's Friday morning, and people generally don't like being smacked in the side of the head, but some people around these parts really need to rejigger their minds to get it that NOT getting appointments confirmed is a GOOD thing.

But the Republican loser plan must march on.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:50 AM (dGCAG)

214 180 "The plain truth is that Adam Eget is an alcoholic and that’s why he doesn’t drink. Me, I’m not an alcoholic and that’s why I do drink. Life sure is funny that way." - Norm Macdonald

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:42 AM (nZYm7)

I was watching a recent clip where Adam talked about how Norm would just cook up these little lies about Adam and then commit to them.

Like every guest that would come in, no matter the conversation, Norm would always segue into telling the guest that Adam was a Holocaust denier.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (KbCG3)

215 This appears to be the "endorsement" as the headlines call it:

“I’d like to see him win,” Trump told the network during a trip to Washington, D.C. “I think he has a good chance to win.”

The Maryland race could determine control of the Senate, a point Trump noted in the interview.

“I would like to see him win, and we got to take the majority. We have to straighten out our country, so I’d like to see him win,” Trump said.

Posted by: zombie Willem de Kooning at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (ZdexC)

216 Lets take Cheney for example...

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Please!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (L/fGl)

217 There is a Democrat Maryland Senator now. Focus on getting your majority someplace else. Hogan is not your usual binary choice . He’s not just a bad Republican. He’s a dangerous Republican that can do more harm than good.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:49 AM

I am really confused. Why the heck would we not want another senate seat regardless of where it comes from? Trust me the rnc isn't going to spend much on him. I get that he is gop(e) and will betray us just like mittens did. But at the end of the day if he gets elected it removes a democrat senator.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (QNSds)

218 I have lived in Maryland for a long time, and I'm telling you that Larry Hogan out RINO's Mitt Romney.

Posted by: SteveF at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (iM6iw)

219 I saw Shattered Fetlock open for The Small Ponds at Hopscotch 2010.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (NGa9E)

220 Lets take Cheney for example...
If she was immediately removed from committee assignments for bucking leadership it all would have ended much sooner.. but weak Kevin decided he'd do nothing.. then only after a few more weeks of being embarrassed publicly did he finally respond...

So really, what we need is leadership willing to defend the base publicly and privately.

See my comment about fighting the last war. Cheney is gone. McCarthy is gone. Mitch is on the way out.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:52 AM (xCA6C)

221 NOT getting appointments confirmed is a GOOD thing.

What? How so?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:52 AM (v6JzV)

222 218 I have lived in Maryland for a long time, and I'm telling you that Larry Hogan out RINO's Mitt Romney.
Posted by: SteveF at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (iM6iw)

And Mitt Romney is still better than every D Senator...and has voted in almost all Trump's past judicial picks...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 11:53 AM (exHjb)

223 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2024 11:53 AM (hRKpF)

224 Bottom line Hogan is not a Republican . He’s just one of the many Progressives wearing a Republican skin suit in order to destroy any semblance of what the Republican Party used to be.
Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:08 AM (SHMXB)

And semblance of what we thought the Republican party used to be. The masks have been dropped and true conservatives are a small minority in their own party.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 14, 2024 11:53 AM (FCbAQ)

225 If RINOs control the Senate, same outcome.
Posted by: rickb223
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RINOs controlled the senate during Trump's last presidency.
How many judiciary appointments did he get past?
Did they have any positive effect on the following years?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (Iynsv)

226 I will concede to the pro-Hogan people that the removal of the senate filibuster makes it slightly more important which party controls the senate. At least on paper.

I still think Hogan would be take the party hostage and be an even worse McCain or Romney.But I guess I can choose to believe Hogan won’t do what he is loudly telegraphing.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (jbnUc)

227 If RINOs control the Senate, same outcome.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 14, 2024 11:49 AM (qFD19)

People might want to pay attention to British elections. Conservatives over there are actually hellbent on shooting for ZERO Tory seats in Parliament.

If they get close to that, it would be interesting to see how that goes.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (dGCAG)

228 Bottom line Hogan is not a Republican . He’s just one of the many Progressives wearing a Republican skin suit in order to destroy any semblance of what the Republican Party used to be.

Control of the Senate is not conditional on your approval of the kind of Republican he is.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6C)

229 Having solved all other problems . . .

NYC Mayor Eric Adams Lays Into Nathan’s Hot Dog Eating Contest For Banning Joey Chestnut

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:50 AM (L/fGl)

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Illegal Alien Women and Children Hardest Hit ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (NGa9E)

230 I had pizza.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (Iynsv)

231 I am really confused. Why the heck would we not want another senate seat regardless of where it comes from? Trust me the rnc isn't going to spend much on him. I get that he is gop(e) and will betray us just like mittens did. But at the end of the day if he gets elected it removes a democrat senator.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (QNSds)

Let’s forget Cheney, If Maxine Watters ran as a Republican for the Senate seat would you vote for her?

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:55 AM (SHMXB)

232 I love Buck pie-eyed optimism. 'Republicans win the chamber...'

He writes like it's 2019 and most of us still think the federal government has 1 or 2 mostly-functioning branches.

Maybe I'll be shocked. The vote won't be massively rigged. The pendulum (we know it's a one-way ratchet) will 'start' to swing back, institutions will begin 'reforms' - lol, I'm sorry. I just can't keep saying all this with a straight face.

Hoo boy.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 14, 2024 11:55 AM (Ud0P/)

233 I can count the number of elected house/senate Republicans who are remotely on my side on probably two hands. So this argument is strange.

It's a pure numbers game if we're going to have the big chair for four years.

Republicans hate your guts. Hogan is just out and proud about it. Like the lesbian he is.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:55 AM (nZYm7)

234 What? How so?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:52 AM (v6JzV)

Because government is bad?

Is this a novel concept?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:55 AM (dGCAG)

235 Seriously, this is a moot point. Hogan will not win. He had a chance when his potential rival was an evil white capitalist but he has no chance now. No matter how many Republicans vote for him we are a minority.
I do think the makeup of the Senate will be more conservative. Rs already have Manchin's seat in the bag. The candidates in NV, PA,OH are cpmpetetive and conservative.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 11:56 AM (t/2Uw)

236 I still think Hogan would be take the party hostage and be an even worse McCain or Romney.But I guess I can choose to believe Hogan won’t do what he is loudly telegraphing.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (jbnUc)

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Trump's biggest mistake was not forking out $1 billion before running to buy Epstein's pedo-video blackmail library.

/only half-joking

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (NGa9E)

237 RINOs controlled the senate during Trump's last presidency.
How many judiciary appointments did he get past?
Did they have any positive effect on the following years?
Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (Iynsv)

When it came to stealing the 2020 election, it sure as hell didn't help having all those stalwart Republicans in Congress, or the fiercely conservative justices he appointed on the courts.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)

238 It boils down to nothing to lose, nothing to gain. The letter after the name means nothing, especially in confirmation fights, if either D or R will refuse to vote for your picks. "Control of the senate" is a complete illusion if your 50th and 51st votes vote the other way anyway.

Nothing is gained or lost by voting for or against R or D in this scenario. It is a perfect uniparty phase lock.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (VoAdT)

239 Control of the Senate is not conditional on your approval of the kind of Republican he is.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6C)

Never said it was straw man creator. . Is Hogan our only chance to get control of the Senate?

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (SHMXB)

240 Having solved all other problems . . .

NYC Mayor Eric Adams Lays Into Nathan’s Hot Dog Eating Contest For Banning Joey Chestnut

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 11:50 AM (L/fGl)

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Illegal Alien Women and Children Hardest Hit ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (NGa9E)
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I don't get this "controversy." It's a Nathan's hot dog contest. Chestnut signed a deal to represent and promote a rival hot dog brand. He's of course free to do that, but what did he expect Nathan's would do?

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 14, 2024 11:58 AM (iFTx/)

241 “I would like to see him win, and we got to take the majority. We have to straighten out our country, so I’d like to see him win,” Trump said.
Posted by: zombie Willem de Kooning at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (ZdexC)

So maybe Trump knows that MD hates him so much that an endorsement will be the kiss of death for Hogan ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 14, 2024 11:58 AM (Akjoo)

242 I seriously doubt the left would have an issue with a Hogan-like Democrat that couldn't be trusted to toe-the-line. They'd find the most radical leftist in the state and do whatever was required to put that person in office.

The GOP won't do that, even if they could. Whether that be in MD or TX... it's not who they are.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 14, 2024 11:58 AM (Q4IgG)

243 Never said it was straw man creator. . Is Hogan our only chance to get control of the Senate?
Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (SHMXB)

That's the kind of thing you don't know until it happens, no?

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:58 AM (nZYm7)

244 >>>People might want to pay attention to British elections. Conservatives over there are actually hellbent on shooting for ZERO Tory seats in Parliament.

If they get close to that, it would be interesting to see how that goes.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Let's not emulate a failed state until we see the outcome of this experiment.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:58 AM (Iynsv)

245 Because government is bad?

Is this a novel concept?
Posted by: BurtTC

Yes, the Federal Government is bloated and corrupt. So we should just let the minions of the Deep State, unappointed and unaccountable to anyone, just continue to run roughshod over it? Okaaaay...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 11:59 AM (v6JzV)

246 Larry Hogan:
Wear the damn masks!

https://youtu.be/T5ZPGdH-nkY

Posted by: He's a tyrant at June 14, 2024 11:59 AM (6x+9x)

247 237 RINOs controlled the senate during Trump's last presidency.
How many judiciary appointments did he get past?
Did they have any positive effect on the following years?
Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (Iynsv)

When it came to stealing the 2020 election, it sure as hell didn't help having all those stalwart Republicans in Congress, or the fiercely conservative justices he appointed on the courts.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)

And the last 4 years happened...and many folks realized they made a big mistake. See Silicon Valley now opening their pocketbook to Trump in 2024 vs using their resources to destroy his campaign in 2020...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (exHjb)

248 #215 Off, modernist sock crap.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (ZdexC)

249 That's the kind of thing you don't know until it happens, no?
Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 11:58 AM (nZYm7)

No you can identify other realistic chances or identify when something is your only chance.

Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (SHMXB)

250 So maybe Trump knows that MD hates him so much that an endorsement will be the kiss of death for Hogan ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 14, 2024 11:58 AM (Akjoo)

LOL no, it's simple strategy and I think he is being plain about it. Trump will do better as president with nominal control of the Senate than without. Is there any doubting that? Not talking ideal world, just the world.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (nZYm7)

251 I get that he is gop(e) and will betray us just like mittens did. But at the end of the day if he gets elected it removes a democrat senator.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 14, 2024 11:51 AM (QNSds)

Let’s forget Cheney, If Maxine Watters ran as a Republican for the Senate seat would you vote for her?
Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:55 AM (SHMXB)
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Bless you for continuing to try to reason with someone who ignored that same logical point already. I love when a guy just blows past the obvious and a bystander attempts to re-explain what the dude obviously couldn't care less about, or is incapable of understanding in the first place.

Most people can only conceive of what is directly in front of them. There is no second or third order thinking that takes place. In fact, I think there are fewer people today than in recent history who can mentally project a concept forward to see the 'natural consequences' of an action in the immediate moment.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (Ud0P/)

252 Seriously, this is a moot point. Hogan will not win. He had a chance when his potential rival was an evil white capitalist but he has no chance now. No matter how many Republicans vote for him we are a minority.
I do think the makeup of the Senate will be more conservative. Rs already have Manchin's seat in the bag. The candidates in NV, PA,OH are cpmpetetive and conservative.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 11:56 AM (t/2Uw)

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Sans the epic cheating in Maricopa and Pinal Counties, Kari Lake would crush it FTW in AZ later this year. Alas, the McCain Cabal and R Legislature haven't really done anything to remedy the overt in-your-face fraud that's occurred (and cost us a Senate seat) the past three election cycles ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (NGa9E)

253 HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN.
So it doesn;t matter how he will vote because he is never going to be the Senator from MD.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (t/2Uw)

254
So maybe Trump knows that MD hates him so much that an endorsement will be the kiss of death for Hogan ?
Posted by: It's me donna
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Trump owned casinos, he understands odds and the strategy of their outcomes. That's always a factor in his decision making.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (Iynsv)

255 No you can identify other realistic chances or identify when something is your only chance.
Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 12:00 PM (SHMXB)

Not when the other side cheats like hell. What is the last election year we knew the overall outcome of? I remember years where R's were generally thought to gain 8 or 10 seats and they got 3 or 4.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 12:01 PM (nZYm7)

256 239 Control of the Senate is not conditional on your approval of the kind of Republican he is.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6C)

Never said it was straw man creator. . Is Hogan our only chance to get control of the Senate?
Posted by: polynikes at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (SHMXB)

He might be, b/c no seat is won til it is. Ds will do anything to win all their seats. We can't be so blasé and just forfeit some, or we'll be in the same place we are now...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 12:01 PM (exHjb)

257 Never said it was straw man creator. . Is Hogan our only chance to get control of the Senate?
Posted by: polynikes

That's the kind of thing you don't know until it happens, no?
Posted by: ...

Not even then. Is the lineup in the House and Senate the same today as it was at the last mid-term election?

Posted by: mikeski at June 14, 2024 12:02 PM (DgGvY)

258 It all seems very similar to a sunk cost fallacy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 14, 2024 12:02 PM (VoAdT)

259 253 HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN.
So it doesn;t matter how he will vote because he is never going to be the Senator from MD.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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YES, he's not going to win but it's IMPORTANT to vote for the Republican to show the people of MD, in the TV tally, that you are there.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 12:03 PM (Iynsv)

260 36 Trump endorsing the shit stain Hogan will not help Trump at all. Hogan will still do what he can to frustrate Trump's agenda. A pox on Hogan's house.
If I recall correctly, there was a similar stain on the Senate who used an R behind his name: Lowell Wycker (sp?) he was so bad that the grass roots Rs voted in Joe Lieberman to purge him.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 14, 2024 11:10 AM (JNTt1)
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Correct. And Buckley back Lieberman, quite publicly.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 14, 2024 12:03 PM (1bNHn)

261 Also forcing the Demons to dedicate more resources to more places is also better than not doing. That is again just plain sensible strategy.

Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 12:03 PM (nZYm7)

262 I had pizza.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (Iynsv)

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I have leftover baked ziti but it's only 9:00 here.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2024 12:03 PM (DRSnL)

263 Hogan = McCain
is the sense I'm getting.
Turns out Kristen Sinema wasn't any worse than McCain, and at least you didn't have the expectation that she's on your side.

That traitorous bastard voted with the R's in procedural votes all the time and saved the knife for when it really counted. I have less than no use for a man like that.
If that's the sense of Hogan, fugggetaboutit.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 14, 2024 12:04 PM (FCbAQ)

264 Also forcing the Demons to dedicate more resources to more places is also better than not doing. That is again just plain sensible strategy.
Posted by: ... at June 14, 2024 12:03 PM (nZYm7)

A great argument for lying to pollsters.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 14, 2024 12:04 PM (VoAdT)

265 259 253 HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN.
So it doesn;t matter how he will vote because he is never going to be the Senator from MD.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

He had 80% approval as Gov, and a black woman has never won a senate seat from MD, let alone one that is so pro-Biden (who is not loved in MD either right now - see DE - although MD will still vote for him)...

Hogan has an amazing chance IF the base comes home to him...and gets pragmatic...

Posted by: Nova Local at June 14, 2024 12:04 PM (exHjb)

266 When it came to stealing the 2020 election, it sure as hell didn't help having all those stalwart Republicans in Congress, or the fiercely conservative justices he appointed on the courts.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)

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"U.S. States and The Constitution have NO STANDING! Next?"

-- SCOTUS 2020 (including three Trump backstabbing appointments terrified of BLaMtifa Brownshirts)

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 12:04 PM (NGa9E)

267 "But we have to bear in mind that death is a completely different concept for Mesoamerican cultures. … Death is not seen as a bad thing."

Then why did they kill their enemy tribes? To show thanks?

Posted by: Ripley at June 14, 2024 12:05 PM (xwuga)

268 I was busy throwing green pea soup on the midmorning "Art" in support of global warming and abundant fossil fuels.

Have I missed anything?

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at June 14, 2024 12:05 PM (wBaIH)

269 I have leftover baked ziti but it's only 9:00 here.
Posted by: Jordan61

Always better the second day.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 14, 2024 12:05 PM (qZEuM)

270 RINOs controlled the senate during Trump's last presidency.
How many judiciary appointments did he get past?
Did they have any positive effect on the following years?
Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (Iynsv)
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How many McConnell picks refused to even hear evidence of voter fraud based only on standing? Do you know? I ask, because I can recall at least 5. Trump appointment after Trump appointment stabbed the country in the back. Over standing.

Can't let a single shred of evidence enter the public record, you know. McConnell was Cocaine Mitch and I was very worried Pedocrats weren't opposing him at the time.

Eh, just more examples of Trump picking the best guys, top guys, the most bestest guys to fuck him over a few months later.

Vote Republican. Please clap.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 14, 2024 12:06 PM (Ud0P/)

271 Lunch--2in rare filet and caprese salad

Posted by: Ben HaduButker made the speech at a CATHOLIC at June 14, 2024 12:06 PM (7iAr4)

272 I have leftover baked ziti but it's only 9:00 here.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2024 12:03 PM (DRSnL)

Jordan confirmed for Carmela Soprano.

Posted by: spindrift at June 14, 2024 12:07 PM (OguvZ)

273 267 "But we have to bear in mind that death is a completely different concept for Mesoamerican cultures. … Death is not seen as a bad thing."

Then why did they kill their enemy tribes? To show thanks?
Posted by: Ripley at June 14, 2024 12:05 PM (xwuga
‘We took your stuff, so we may’s well kill you to.’
- other tribe’s chief

Posted by: Eromero at June 14, 2024 12:07 PM (QtnU/)

274
Sans the epic cheating in Maricopa and Pinal Counties, Kari Lake would crush it FTW in AZ later this year. Alas, the McCain Cabal and R Legislature haven't really done anything to remedy the overt in-your-face fraud that's occurred (and cost us a Senate seat) the past three election cycles ...
Posted by: ShainS
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Kari Lake is going to lose, so that will be a Dem hold. She's running like 10 points behind Trump in polling. Both sides know she's going to lose and outside Republican groups feel its a lost cause, so she's on her own for fundraising.

It's now a concern she brings down Trump from carrying AZ.

She's like a Sarah Palin, we're going to have to lose one more time before people finally move on.

Posted by: Blago at June 14, 2024 12:07 PM (wMRY8)

275
YES, he's not going to win but it's IMPORTANT to vote for the Republican to show the people of MD, in the TV tally, that you are there.

Posted by: Braenyard

Yes but it is a waste of time arguing about how he will vote as a senator or that this seat is important to a senate majority because it is not going to happen.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 12:07 PM (t/2Uw)

276 Steve Wright joke:

"I saw a Dyslexic Americans car tag today."
*pause*
"It was spelled correctly."

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 14, 2024 12:08 PM (xrAlj)

277 Never said it was straw man creator. . Is Hogan our only chance to get control of the Senate?

If it depends on a seat from MD, then yes.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 12:08 PM (xCA6C)

278
"I saw a Dyslexic Americans car tag today."

Is that a race, now?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 14, 2024 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

279 They liked him as Gov. why not as Senator ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 14, 2024 12:10 PM (Akjoo)

280 So we're at that weird point in a thread where no one's commenting because they don't want to get willowed.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 12:11 PM (v6JzV)

281 Somebody wake up Ace...

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 14, 2024 12:11 PM (O7YUW)

282 Willow,willow,willow,willow,willow

Posted by: It's me donna at June 14, 2024 12:11 PM (Akjoo)

283 AZ is a wholly owned subsidiary of Dominion Systems and its associates.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 12:12 PM (Iynsv)

284 237 RINOs controlled the senate during Trump's last presidency.
How many judiciary appointments did he get past?
Did they have any positive effect on the following years?
Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 11:54 AM (Iynsv)

When it came to stealing the 2020 election, it sure as hell didn't help having all those stalwart Republicans in Congress, or the fiercely conservative justices he appointed on the courts.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 14, 2024 11:57 AM (dGCAG)

I still remember Mitch stepping in it talking about the losses in GA... the backlash from the base was so bad he publicly walked it back and the GOPe shills had to write a bunch of commentary about reforming the GOP not going 3rd party. This was December 2020...

Posted by: Inogame at June 14, 2024 12:12 PM (53oGX)

285 So we're at that weird point in a thread where no one's commenting because they don't want to get willowed.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 14, 2024 12:11 PM (v6JzV)

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I mostly just don't have anything to say.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2024 12:12 PM (DRSnL)

286 I got no dog in the fight. I don't live in MD ... and I'm not a backer of the GOP.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at June 14, 2024 12:12 PM (U6Sn/)

287 Steven Wright

I have a map of the United States. It's the actual size. Yesterday I folded it.

Other day I came home drunk. Accidentally used my car key to unlock my house. Started right up. So I took it for a spin around the block. Cop pulled me over, says, "Where do ya live, buddy?"

I said, "Right here."

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 14, 2024 12:13 PM (Ud0P/)

288 =====

I mostly just don't have anything to say.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 14, 2024 12:12 PM (DRSnL)

*presses come to a screeching halt*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 14, 2024 12:13 PM (Zz0t1)

289 So we're at that weird point in a thread where no one's commenting because they don't want to get willowed.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

We got 280 comments out of what's fundamentally a yes/no question. Not a bad effort. I give it a B+.

Posted by: mikeski at June 14, 2024 12:13 PM (DgGvY)

290 Man to sue APPLE after wife finds 'deleted' messages revealing he cheated...

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Definitely Apple's fault.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 12:13 PM (L/fGl)

291 >>>Yes but it is a waste of time arguing about how he will vote as a senator or that this seat is important to a senate majority because it is not going to happen.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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It's Buck's food fight.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 14, 2024 12:13 PM (Iynsv)

292 I mostly just don't have anything to say.

You DO know where you are, right?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 14, 2024 12:14 PM (xCA6C)

293 .

NOOD - Politico Notices, Gee Willickers, Biden Says He's Not Involved In His Family's Foreign Buckraking Operations, But Weirdly All of His Aides Are Involved In the Grift

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 14, 2024 12:15 PM (O7YUW)

294 Dems vote for Republican governors to balance the insane ideas of a democrat legislature. They tend to go along with a lot of the equity stuff but then put their foot down when it comes to fiscal matters. This is why you get Republican governors in MA and MD. To try and keep each side from extremes. In red states it works the opposite way. People often vote for the D candidate for governor to balance a red legislature.
This does not hold for Senate seats where people tend to vote for their core beliefs. This is why Hogan could be lected Governor but he is not going to be elelcted Senator and why this State will never vote for Trump any more than Illinois or California.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 14, 2024 12:16 PM (t/2Uw)

295 Man to sue APPLE after wife finds 'deleted' messages revealing he cheated...

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Definitely Apple's fault.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 12:13 PM (L/fGl)

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Old & Busted: Deep Pockets.
New Hotness: Deep Sockets.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 14, 2024 12:16 PM (NGa9E)

296 The Yankee Exodus destroys every state. They are legion. - Pudinhead

Amen, brother (former Northern Virginia resident).
Posted by: Paco at June 14, 2024 11:30 AM (njExo)

And we won't stop until we burn Atlanta. Again. Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

Posted by: Vito Sherman and Cousin Jose Speedy Gonzales at June 14, 2024 12:20 PM (iODuv)

297 Gavin Newsom
@GavinNewsom
California has doubled our National Guard at the border that are working to stop the flow of fentanyl.
While the GOP play games and Mike Johnson searches for his spine -- we’re out here doing the work.

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Yeah, California has solved the illegal alien problem.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 14, 2024 12:21 PM (L/fGl)

298 Hogan's a total leftist azalea, but he'd vote to elect a GOP Majority Leader-- which is why he'll lose to the real DEM in November.

If Trump wins, he's really going to need for the GOP to control the Senate-- because judges & everything else.

All of the GOP Senate candidates in competitive seats (conventional wisdom) are running behind Trump in their respective states.

The 2 best pickup opportunities as near as I can tell are NV & MT. Rosen (D-NV) looks to be tied-- in a state where Trump leads by 5-6 points. Tester (D-MT) is actually ahead-- in another state Trump is expected to win by 10-12 points or so, although nobody polls MT.

So a GOP Senate majority is very much in doubt. Schumer will be able to defeat any judge Trump nominates if he remains in place.

I realize the zeitgeist here at AoS is "the worse the better," & that's where all the cool kids are at.

Posted by: mnw at June 14, 2024 12:21 PM (NLIak)

299 Man to sue APPLE after wife finds 'deleted' messages revealing he cheated...

-
Definitely Apple's fault.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

Idiot. Nothing on the net ever goes away. Delete all you want and the only thing that happens is that YOU will never see it but it remains forever. Cheetahs never prosper~

Posted by: Cheri at June 14, 2024 12:21 PM (oiNtH)

300 274
Sans the epic cheating in Maricopa and Pinal Counties, Kari Lake would crush it FTW in AZ later this year. Alas, the McCain Cabal and R Legislature haven't really done anything to remedy the overt in-your-face fraud that's occurred (and cost us a Senate seat) the past three election cycles ...
Posted by: ShainS
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Kari Lake is going to lose, so that will be a Dem hold. She's running like 10 points behind Trump in polling. Both sides know she's going to lose and outside Republican groups feel its a lost cause, so she's on her own for fundraising.

It's now a concern she brings down Trump from carrying AZ.

She's like a Sarah Palin, we're going to have to lose one more time before people finally move on.
Posted by: Blago at June 14, 2024 12:07 PM (wMRY

lol, "we"

Posted by: Inogame at June 14, 2024 12:23 PM (53oGX)

301 If the Senate leader puts Hogan in charge of some unimportant committees, thats a small price to pay for Dems to be sad over whatever Maryland libtard loses who would vote against us 100% of the time rather than 50%. Trump isn't getting convicted even if there are five Larry Hogan RINOs in the Senate.

Posted by: Gunner at June 14, 2024 12:47 PM (Qt5vr)

302 I will be voting for Hogan. Hogan may not like Trump, but Hogan will at least support Trump on illegal immigration, energy, trade, Israel, etc.
Reminds me of an old lawyer ad: I may be an SOB but I'm your SOB! A Republican controlled Senate is preferred. One can hope it will make a difference for this country, God help us.

Posted by: KungPow at June 14, 2024 12:56 PM (Rw2Dy)

303 In 2022, Larry Hogan's handpicked successor for governor, Kelly Schulz, failed in her bid in the primary to Dan Cox.

How many nanoseconds did Larry spend in assisting Dan in trying to win the governorship? How many pennies did he fundraise?

Did Larry even vote for Dan Cox?

He took his ball home. He didn't help. He harmed the state with lockdowns that could legitimately be argued as unconstitutional. Then he threw a fit when his dynasty got neutered, even when his hand-picked choice spent 3 or 4 times the competition but lost.

Hogan is Anti-Trump. We should be Anti-Hogan.

Posted by: Another Anon at June 14, 2024 12:56 PM (VOK/q)

304 Excellent topic and I couldn't agree more, sir.

Posted by: Danimal28 at June 14, 2024 01:05 PM (ryUqI)

305 buck couldn`t be more spot on here....i not only won`t be voting for this obese,slovenly rino p.o.s. i will be voting democrat(i don`t care who the democrat is) for the first time in my 50 plus years being politically involved....

hogan can be a multi-faceted weapon for the left under the cover of "bi-partisan" ...trump`s snake fable?...here it is in the flesh...

..he`s a disgusting creature...

Posted by: courteous uncouth jay marks at June 14, 2024 03:05 PM (NhYo9)

306 as others have said, Hogan may be the deciding factor in taking back the Senate. He may be problematic, but problematic from the majority is a much more strategic position, in my mind.

Posted by: GTS93 at June 15, 2024 03:35 PM (cBHOn)

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