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Gun Thread: Post 2024 NoVAMoMe Discussion and Analysis Edition!

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Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

This past Thursday was the 80th Anniversary of the D-Day Landings at Normandy If you haven't already, please take a moment to remember those who participated in liberating Europe with many of them paying the ultimate price.

Holy MoMe Shitballs! How in the ever-loving hell did it get to be the Post NoVAMoMe Discussion and Analysis Edition? Well guys and gals, another NoVAMoMe is in the books, and I invite participants to share their MoMe story in the comments below. It is always so much fun to get together and we had several new faces this year which is always nice, and sharing your story may just inspire a reluctant lurker to attend. Thank you all so much for being there! If you are still hesitant, I promise you will not regret the decision to come!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals
Show of hands - who made it to the range this past week, what were your training goals, and did you accomplish them? How many of you simply went to the range to shoot with no particular plan or training strategy in mind? I honestly cannot recall ever meeting a shooter so skilled they didn't need to practice. Does it make any sense to pay for the range time and ammunition without having an objective in mind and a clear way to measure progress and results? Sure, banging away at a target may be fun and even therapeutic, but since you're all dressed up and at the range anyway doesn't it make sense to make a wee-teensy amount of additional effort to actually try and improve your skills?

I know of no way to measure results and progress other than adopting some sort of objective and training plan. This may sound like more of my usual B.S., but I am serious. Set a reasonable objective and date to complete it. It might be something like 25 consecutive rounds in the nine ring or better at 7 yards by the end of June, and then start working toward that objective by focusing on fundamentals. I try to end every range session by incorporating a little self-test by saving a few rounds and a fresh target to keep track of how I am doing. Take notes on the target and study them when you get home. Did your group look fine other than dropping a round low and left or right? Well then work on your grip, trigger mechanics and flinch reflex control the very next time you are at the range.

Change your targets frequently and study them to determine what might be giving you trouble. There are plenty of free scorable targets available online which can be printed at home reducing the cost significantly and I simply use blank letter-size paper and 1" sticky dots for a center aim point. I sometimes wonder what people are thinking when they use one target for an entire range session that might involve firing 50 or 100 rounds or more, then take pictures of a ragged and shredded target as proof they have accomplished something other than making holes.

You can still have fun while you are shooting with the added bonus of improving your skills at the same time. Set achievable goals and work towards them by first establishing solid fundamentals and then reinforce these good habits through diligent practice.

Grip fundamentals review:

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Katana Update

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WeaselKatana

Note: If you missed the backstory on how we arrived at this point (point - get it? Point! Hahaha! I crack myself up), I have condensed previous Gun Thread katana background articles HERE.

OK, all y'all things are starting to happen! I know the story of how I boxed up the blade and shipped it to my togishi was fascinating in it's own right, but now we're starting to see progress on the blade itself!

First, I think it's time for something of an introduction. My togishi, or sword polisher, is David Hofhine. Dave's website is www.theswordpolisher.com and he can also be found on Facebook at www.facebook.com/swordpolish. When I first decided to have the sword evaluated, I did some due diligence and kept seeing Dave's name come up across multiple online antique sword forums as one of the top polishers in the United States. Someone whose work rivals that actually performed in Japan by the masters of the art. During my initial research I read countless horror stories of blades being ruined by amateur or cut-rate polishers and I obviously wanted to avoid that outcome at all costs. So I dropped Dave a note with some photos and we started a conversation. I encourage you to look at Dave's website which contains a lot of examples of his work all of which speaks for itself. Dealing with Dave by phone and email has been a pleasure because he's not only a good guy who happens to share the interests of the Gun Thread, but is also a veritable fountain of knowledge regarding antique Japanese swords. I will repeat this once again, Dave performs all of his own work himself and entirely by hand using Japanese polishing stones. Nothing is ever given to an apprentice or helper, and nothing is done with power tools such as electric grinders or sanders. As a result, Dave's work is in high demand and his waitlist is measured in years. In my case about three years to be exact. Through our discussions, I knew Dave was the guy I wanted to perform the work, and I didn't mind the wait, so I treated the blade with protective oil and, well, waited.

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WeaselKatana - click to embiggen

This week we have an exciting update with the first picture and commentary on the process from our pal Dave!

Here is the first picture. This is the blade after initial straightening. The first step in sword polishing is to get the blade as close to perfectly straight as possible. This involves carefully mapping out all bends, wobbles, variances in thickness, etc. and then counter bending where possible. This process takes about half a day of very meticulous work. Some irregularities in geometry are actually original hammering or grinding flaws that can not be fixed by straightening. These can only be corrected with new precision foundation shaping. A careful balance must always be maintained of trying to remove flaws and improve the shape as much as possible, while removing as little steel as possible to best preserve the blade.

Now how cool is this? When I say the rabbit hole for Japanese blades is much, much deeper than that for guns, I am not kidding.

Q: Weasel, are you kidding?
A: No, no I am not kidding.

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Full Polish
So what to expect from a full polish? What can a true artist and master accomplish? What would a before and after result look like? Well Dave has provided some narrative and example photos to share. Please note the following photos are NOT of WeaselKatana, but rather the blade Dave had just finished for another client before starting on mine this week. Pictures are used with permission, and many others can be found on Dave's website.

Dave adds some educational narrative:

While you are waiting, here are some pictures of the blade I finished just before starting yours. This group includes 3 "BEFORE" pictures and 4 "AFTER".

This is a 29" late Shinto period (late 1600's to mid-1700's) mumei katana. It has a dramatic o-kissaki (extra large point) with a lot of interesting muneyaki (hardened steel along the spine) showing towards the tip. With a traditional katana, the shinogi-ji (flat upper surfaces of the blade) and mune (spine) are "burnished". This is where a series of super hard burnishing blades and needles are used to compress the steel. This closes all of the pores in the metal, giving it some degree of rust resistance. This also creates the characteristic mirror like appearance of the upper surfaces of a well polished Japanese blade. This blade presented a bit of a challenge because doing the traditional burnishing is absolutely required to complete a professional polish, but I also wanted the special tempering along the back edge to show with good detail. The end results for this blade are exceptionally good.

First the before pics:

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And now for the after pics

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I'm not certain I knew this kind of work was even possible and have one word to describe it; Holy Double Jumping Flaming Atomic Shitballs! Absolutely amazing. This is only the beginning of the process, so stay tuned for more updates. A BIGLY thanks to Dave for the progress notes and examples!

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Speaking of Polishing Stones
Please note: you can very easily and very quickly ruin a trigger if you aren't careful, so I'd consider this video from GunBlue490 for entertainment purposes only. Do not have someone hold your beer and do not try this at home!

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More Restoration
Restoring the Colt Lightning M1877

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Still More Restoration
This guy has the best general restoration channel I have found, with the added bonus of no talking!

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Musical Interlude
So which of these versions of Play That Funky Music do you like best?

The original by Wild Cherry?

Or this cover by Prince?

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video compares the Shield Plus vs the Hellcat.

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Cigar of the Week

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Our pal rhomboid is back with this excellent review of the Southern Draw Kudzu

Southern Draw has fairly big catalogue by now, and one of their first blends was the Kudzu. A nice looking chocolate brown box-pressed cigar with clean construction. I tried the robusto (5.5 X 54) size. The smoke from this one was particularly thick and rich. The burn line did need a fair amount of touching up (if one likes to keep it even, as I do), but the draw was just fine. The cigar has a rich brown Habano oscuro wrapper from Ecuador, with binder and filler from Nicaragua, as well as filler from Pennsylvania. Predominant flavor for me was wood - company describes it as charred oak, I got something closer to cedar. There were hints of baking spice here and there, and surprising (to me), the second half featured a sweet-ish finish that wasn't there at the start. A good medium-full stick that would likely offer even more to those with more developed palates. The Kudzu goes for $7 and up online

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal JT. Save the candy!!!

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Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 Gubs!

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 07:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

2 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

3 Gub

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:01 PM (nCaYE)

4 Evening Weasel!

Thanks for the Gun Thread!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 09, 2024 07:01 PM (PdFQi)

5 That bottom picture is so wrong.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:04 PM (A7tVh)

6 Hi all!

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:04 PM (LxqBJ)

7 That bottom picture is so wrong.

He needs a woman in his life.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:04 PM (A7tVh)

8 Gub! The saga of Katana is fascinating, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 09, 2024 07:05 PM (mH6SG)

9 For the few of us there on Friday night we heard the full origin story of the Gun Thread.

Even more impressive than a Marvel movie, IMHO.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:05 PM (A7tVh)

10 That was a great weekend. It's nice to be able to put faces to nics (though I bet if you had a "Match the person to the nic" game I'd probably do about a C+. Thank you for having me.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 09, 2024 07:06 PM (CHHv1)

11 Good evening everyone. Thank you Weasel once again.

Range time limited to shooting pop cans and plywood. I killed 'em dead.

Related: My nephew sent me a few pics this week of neo-not zeeees marching in SD. You know - uniforms, WWII era flags, armbands, etc. As I said, feds.

They must be very asceered of Kristi Noem.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:06 PM (WXNFJ)

12 BeckoningChasm

Damn glad to meet you!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:06 PM (A7tVh)

13 Howdy Weasel!

Howdy Horde!

When you get your katana back, you are going to have to find some flaming sh*tballs graphics to top the typical AOS flaming skulls.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:07 PM (HlyYF)

14 I don’t know, NaCly….i might would shoot Hersheys, too. Milka and Rittersport are much better

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:07 PM (LxqBJ)

15 Watching the 1911 video

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2024 07:07 PM (fwDg9)

16 Crikey, Weasel, that is freakin' GORGEOUS!

not sure it could have looked any better the day (400 years ago) that a samurai picked it up from the maker! WOW!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 07:08 PM (tQtDb)

17 .i might would shoot Hersheys, too. Milka and Rittersport are much better
Posted by: Euro

It's a damn shame that Hershey products defined what we thought 'chocolate' was for so many years.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:08 PM (WXNFJ)

18 Euro

Good to meet you and your fashionably stunning wife.

Texas is the place for hands on training.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:08 PM (A7tVh)

19 Commenting Present.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at June 09, 2024 07:09 PM (M6Opu)

20 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:09 PM (IFNME)

21 Tonypete

My wife sneers at Hershey products. Lindt Chocolate or better for her.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:10 PM (A7tVh)

22 Yay! Gubs! And swords!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 07:10 PM (Pa5Jp)

23 I have a Gub report:
‘Member how I was not very voluble about my PSA AR-10 a while back? Something like, “Hates 150, loves 168, may be fond of 175.”
So, “fond” has turned into “Raging Love Fest”.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:10 PM (nCaYE)

24 Thanks for the thread, Weasel! Glad you survived another MoMe!

The after polishing pictures are astounding. But, you're essentially having a functional work of art restored and that kind of work isn't done at the Kwikee Sword Mart.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:11 PM (tT6L1)

25 RI Red, that's great news. Always nice to find a bullet a rifle likes.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:11 PM (tT6L1)

26 Backwards, NaCly…but thanks muchly!

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:12 PM (LxqBJ)

27 I am still designing my long distance rifle range.

Questions for the Horde:

Lots of long distance shooters in the comments talk about sighting in before a match to hit the plate at X distance when X is a very large number.

When you are out by yourself, how do you spot your misses? Are real ranges set up with a berm right at the target distance so you can "read" the dirt splashes?

Further, when shooting matches, how do you spot your misses when you are gauging the extant conditions if you are allowed some practice shots.

Or do good shooters typically work in pairs so you can always have expert eyes on the spotting scope?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:13 PM (HlyYF)

28 For those commenting that the bottom picture is 'so wrong', you are correct.

With no mention of caliber/load, the premise is wrong. Everything else follows.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 07:13 PM (M6Opu)

29 5 That bottom picture is so wrong.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:04 PM


Wait, so that's NOT how you heat up your chocolate to make s'mores?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:14 PM (HlyYF)

30 not sure it could have looked any better the day (400 years ago) that a samurai picked it up from the maker! WOW!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 07:08 PM (tQtDb)
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The "after" pics are just an example of what can be done and is not my blade. Mine is the one with the Sharpie lines on it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 07:14 PM (JwHpX)

31 Texas is the place for hands on training.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:08 PM


In many areas.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 07:15 PM (M6Opu)

32 Some gub stuff this week - first, buying ammo. We compete in steel shoots that require frangible ammo. Using ammoseek (which you will find in the list above) I found some at 24.5 cents a round with free shipping. So picked up a thousand rounds. Because we compete in steel shoots. See above.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:15 PM (IFNME)

33 Pillage Idiot

Willie Pete rounds in the 127 mm size.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:15 PM (A7tVh)

34 Mine is the one with the Sharpie lines on it!
Posted by: Weasel

"Sharpie" lines on a sword.

SNORT

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:15 PM (WXNFJ)

35 FUNdamentals
Show of hands - who made it to the range this past week, what were your training goals, and did you accomplish them?
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Me! Over here! Yes, me!
Bit of a breakthrough. I'm farsighted, so my vision is better further away. I need reading glasses to see up close. That means my iron sights are in the fuzzy zone. Today I tried reader glasses. Now, the target was fuzzy but the iron sights were a lot more clear. I actually saw "equal height, equal light" and the bullets hit consistently in the middle of the target area. They weren't all bulls-eyes or in the same hole but they were close and well grouped. We ended by keeping score of our last few magazines. Mission accomplished. Good day at the range. Thank you Weasel-san for the Weasel wisdom.

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 07:16 PM (IQ6Gq)

36 Duncanthrax

I stand corrected. You are right on target.

OK, I'm over it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:17 PM (A7tVh)

37 Full Polish
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But I thought they were from Japan??

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 07:17 PM (ZdexC)

38 blake, purely by accident, too.
I was sitting at the bench yesterday, reloading some once-fired PPU brass someone had helpfully put in a pile up at the Long Range last week. I noticed that my Sierra 168 HPBT stash was getting low, so I looked at the boxes of 175 I had done nothing with.
I did a half grain ladder from Xx.x to Yy.y and shot them today. One node of .888 and one of .750!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:17 PM (nCaYE)

39 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:13 PM (HlyYF)
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The short answer is don't miss. It can be very difficult to see bullet impacts in tall grass for example. In a match setting, targets go up and down behind a berm where scorers are waiting in the Pits.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 07:18 PM (JwHpX)

40 Think we will see Weasel take a straw dummy and slice it in half?

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2024 07:18 PM (fwDg9)

41 ‘Member how I was not very voluble about my PSA AR-10 a while back? Something like, “Hates 150, loves 168, may be fond of 175.”
So, “fond” has turned into “Raging Love Fest”.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:10 PM


Very nice, especially with the soon to get worse ammo shortages.

I assume by "Raging Love Fest" you mean that when you lock your AR-10 in the gun safe with some "loose" 175 ammo, you can come back later and find lots of extra 175 grain ammo?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:18 PM (HlyYF)

42 I was sitting at the bench yesterday, reloading some once-fired PPU brass someone had helpfully put in a pile up at the Long Range last week. I noticed that my Sierra 168 HPBT stash was getting low, so I looked at the boxes of 175 I had done nothing with.
I did a half grain ladder from Xx.x to Yy.y and shot them today. One node of .888 and one of .750!
Posted by: RI Red
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Great when that works out that way. Barrel should be getting nice and polished by rounds sent downrange too.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:18 PM (/0X3E)

43 14 I don’t know, NaCly….i might would shoot Hersheys, too. Milka and Rittersport are much better

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:07 PM (LxqBJ)
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Rittersport!! Hello Waldenbuch!

BTW, good to talk with you Euro at the MoMe!

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 07:19 PM (IQ6Gq)

44 Willie Pete rounds in the 127 mm size.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Wouldn't happen to have any spare pallets of those floating around, would you?

Apparently, the IDF is 'illegally' using them against terrorist animals according to 'DemocracyNow' and UPI.


Oh no!

Anyway. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:19 PM (WXNFJ)

45 Thank you, Weasel, for another informative Gun Thread.

May your sight picture be all you want, everyone.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:20 PM (A7tVh)

46 Polish accomplish?
A blade true like Weasel-san
Shining like new steel

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 07:20 PM (ZdexC)

47 33 Pillage Idiot

Willie Pete rounds in the 127 mm size.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:15 PM


Checks "To Do List" for shooting range. Adds - very wide fire breaks!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:20 PM (HlyYF)

48 You, too, TRex! We lived next to Waldenbuch, and loved the Ritter cafe. I’ll ask the Mr to pick up some grab bags his next trip to send y’all

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:21 PM (LxqBJ)

49 Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:20 PM (A7tVh)
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Always a pleasure, Salty. Great to see you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 07:22 PM (JwHpX)

50 Duncanthrax
I stand corrected. You are right on target.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2024 07:17 PM


112x folks almost always are. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 07:23 PM (M6Opu)

51 So cool Weasel! That blade of yours is gonna look mighty fine when Dave gets done with her!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2024 07:23 PM (R/m4+)

52 When the WeaselKatana leaves its wandering ronin days and comes home, can we get a "traditional" photo, like all the wuxia anime art heros hugging their swords like a teddy bear? I don't know why they are so agin' scabbard belts but it seems to be a thing. And I think it would be hilarious what with the overalls and all

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at June 09, 2024 07:23 PM (nH+RN)

53 Weasel, appreciate the sword saga in the making and you sharing it with us. Thanks for the fascinating insights.

Re trigger work, waterstones are my preference to use--spyderco has a ready made set of 3 that will do the trick for most people without the messy storage that oil stones require.

On trigger work, you are essentially polishing with very little removal of material. In many cases, case hardening is used on trigger components and you can cut right through that in a hurry . That leaves you with a rapidly wearing trigger that will become unsafe about as fast.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:24 PM (/0X3E)

54 Who won the dream date?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 07:24 PM (Srw7t)

55 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a commemorative gold-plated holy shitball to our host Weasel.

Just came back from the range, as a matter of fact, working slow fire/strong hand/weak hand/fast fire at 7 yards. I was thinking of Weasel's fundamentals throughout. Will be evaluating my targets as the Gub Thread goes on, but first impression is I didn't do as badly as I thought I would given my long layoff since last year.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 07:24 PM (v23vE)

56 Checks "To Do List" for shooting range. Adds - very wide fire breaks!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot

According to #5 son, the most fun he had during his time in the Navy was to used up a few pallets of expired .50 cal tracer rounds. Luckily, the armor gave them a few worn barrels that were no longer serviceable to use.


"DAD! You shoulda seen it! The barrels actually softened and deformed. Even Seaman Schmuckatelli knew we should quit then."

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:24 PM (WXNFJ)

57 Weasel, I get that don't miss is good advice. I also remember when you had people shooting at the 500-yard plate you could see the misses in your spotter scope and give them better wind calls.

How do you do that on an 800 yard range when you are practicing by yourself and are not sure if you gave the hold too much wind correction or too little?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:25 PM (HlyYF)

58 Whig, I was a little disappointed early on, but now that I have many more rounds through it, things are shaping up nicely.
All of my SDs were teens or less, and over half were single digit.
The idea that I can shoot a gas gun sub-MOA, with a heavy (er) bullet, makes me very happy.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:25 PM (nCaYE)

59 Hi BenHad! Memememe! I won!

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:25 PM (LxqBJ)

60 So, range report: I headed out with a load development pack and, included in the package was a list of the rounds and a place to record the velocity. Well, I had a brand new Magnetospeed I'd yet to use. I took the chronograph out of the box, read the manual, pretty straightforward instructions, I might add, and tested it using factory M1 Garand Hornday ELD Match loads. Imagine my surprise when the SD turned out to be 20 fps. I was expecting far worse than that.

After that, I settled in to shoot the development loads. (I cleaned the rifle before heading out, so the Garand ammo also served to foul the barrel)

The SD on the loads was decent, under 20, but not what I would call great. No matter, because I managed to pull a .532 MOA group with the fastest load. (2624 fps 208 grain ELD M bullet) Funny side note, when I initially calculated group size, I forgot the subtract the diameter of the bullet. Yeah, those groups weren't good. I'd also mention I had a couple of loads for the rifle which, as far as I'm concerned, weren't much better than shooting buckshot at the target, even though the groups were still running 1 MOA or less.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:25 PM (tT6L1)

61 So competing in steel shoots - sra blaster and I shot some steel Wednesday night. If weasel can abide maybe we will put up some video.

sra blaster's goal was simple - don't finish last. She was successful in this endeavor finishing next to last. That's okay, last time I was last. I blamed that on my equipment - red dot had gotten loose on my P320. I tightened it down and re-zeroed, but I am still having trouble with that pistol - I can shoot sra blaster's P320 fine, mine not so much. Not sure what is going on. Could be the Wilson Combat grip module. Hard to say. But anyway, I decided to compete instead with my new P226 Legion. In the first stage I had a FTF that I blame on a brand new magazine (yeah I have lots of things to blame right?) and I finished last on that stage, but I did well enough on the second stage that I finished about 1/3 up from the bottom.

So I am going to compete with the P226 from now on.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:26 PM (IFNME)

62 CMP currently has surplus Lake City M2 Ball ammo available, for anyone who wants authentic ammo for you M1 Garand. It's not always available on their website, last time I saw it was back in April, don't know how long it will last this time.

https://shop.thecmp.org/browse/Ammo

Posted by: Dick Slot at June 09, 2024 07:26 PM (F6Xpw)

63 Euro, Congratulations !!!.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 07:27 PM (Srw7t)

64 So, “fond” has turned into “Raging Love Fest”.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:10 PM (nCaYE)


Whoa! Careful with the logorrhea!

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:27 PM (IFNME)

65 @40 - certainly hope so, Skip!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 07:27 PM (tQtDb)

66 58 Whig, I was a little disappointed early on, but now that I have many more rounds through it, things are shaping up nicely.
All of my SDs were teens or less, and over half were single digit.
The idea that I can shoot a gas gun sub-MOA, with a heavy (er) bullet, makes me very happy.
Posted by: RI Red
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You have a good barrel and excellent shooting skills plus reloading what it likes. Great combination.

I would not expect a piston AR 10 variant to hit those accuracy marks though.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:27 PM (/0X3E)

67 How do you do that on an 800 yard range when you are practicing by yourself and are not sure if you gave the hold too much wind correction or too little?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:25 PM


Flashing your >=45mm watch at a range babe, and asking them to spot for you works for many here.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 07:28 PM (M6Opu)

68 48 You, too, TRex! We lived next to Waldenbuch, and loved the Ritter cafe. I’ll ask the Mr to pick up some grab bags his next trip to send y’all

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:21 PM (LxqBJ)
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Hooray! Neat little spot with the colorful ceiling panels under the sunlight. (But we digress - not turning this into a food thread.)

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 07:28 PM (IQ6Gq)

69 According to #5 son, the most fun he had during his time in the Navy was to used up a few pallets of expired .50 cal tracer rounds. Luckily, the armor gave them a few worn barrels that were no longer serviceable to use.


"DAD! You shoulda seen it! The barrels actually softened and deformed. Even Seaman Schmuckatelli knew we should quit then."

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:24 PM


Remember when the hippies used to say if the military needs more weapons, they should just hold a bake sale?

I think they should do full-auto shoot fund raisers with soon to be expired ammo, etc. They would be able to afford several more aircraft carriers!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:28 PM (HlyYF)

70 We’d love to come to the Oct MoMe, if we didn’t annoy everyone

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:29 PM (LxqBJ)

71 Evening All!!!

Sorry I missed the NoVaMoMe. I am sure everyone had a blast.
I will see you all October in Texas. ;-)

Sadly, still no range report. Though I do feel one coming up the Sunday after the next. ;-)

Weasel-san, I get the feeling your sword might come out looking better than the After pictures of the other sword. I guess you can say Dave is all about the fundamentals. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 07:29 PM (f0/sc)

72 Dang it, have to go grill.

I will come back and read the full thread if anyone drops in more long range shooting practice advice!

(Thanks for the Gub Thread, Weasel!)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:29 PM (HlyYF)

73 The Lake City M2 Ball is tempting. I just checked the bunker. The question is - how much is too much?

Just kidding, I know the correct answer.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:30 PM (WXNFJ)

74 Posted by: Sabrina Chase at June 09, 2024 07:23 PM (nH+RN)
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I already have a box of white cotton gloves to use when applying Choji oil!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 07:30 PM (JwHpX)

75
How do you do that on an 800 yard range when you are practicing by yourself and are not sure if you gave the hold too much wind correction or too little?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Range target cameras are now available but, the old school way is to use a pretty big target at long ranges enough so that you stay on the target instead of missing. Makes it easier to figure out what you are doing wrong if you don't have a spotter.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:30 PM (/0X3E)

76 52 And I think it would be hilarious what with the overalls and all

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at June 09, 2024 07:23 PM

That would be precious, Weasel-san wielding his katana in full Weasel Farm regalia!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 07:31 PM (f0/sc)

77 How do you do that on an 800 yard range when you are practicing by yourself and are not sure if you gave the hold too much wind correction or too little?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:25 PM (HlyYF)
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There are camera systems available. Put the camera downrange and pair the receiver with your mobile device. The one I have has a shot spotter app so you can mark the shots and when you're done, have it tell you what your group size is.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:32 PM (tT6L1)

78 Weasel, I get that don't miss is good advice. I also remember when you had people shooting at the 500-yard plate you could see the misses in your spotter scope and give them better wind calls.

How do you do that on an 800 yard range when you are practicing by yourself and are not sure if you gave the hold too much wind correction or too little?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 07:25 PM (HlyYF)
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It is bigly more difficult to spot for yourself unless you are shooting into the bare earth. It is always preferable to have a pal spotting for you.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 07:32 PM (JwHpX)

79 The Lake City M2 Ball is tempting. I just checked the bunker. The question is - how much is too much?
Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:30 PM


Are you on fire? (Y/N)
Are you drowning? (Y/N)

If neither is 'Y', then the correct answer is more.

Repeat as able.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 07:32 PM (M6Opu)

80 Howdy, all! Sorry I couldn't make it to the MoMe this time, but I'm down at Ft. Bragg (it will always be "Bragg" to me) to spend some time with my son and his family and to attend his Change of Command later this week. I'm sure a great time was had by all, as usual.

An update on my issue with the slide stop working loose on my Colt Commander that I was whining about last week: I got a replacement Wilson Combat slide stop from Brownells, installed it, and fired about 75 rounds without a malfunction. Huzzay!

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at June 09, 2024 07:32 PM (2ckoN)

81 70 We’d love to come to the Oct MoMe, if we didn’t annoy everyone

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:29 PM (LxqBJ)
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Yes. Please join.

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)

82 Pillage Idiot,

Oh, and one last trick, if all you have are metal targets, you can smear the target front with regular cheapo black/grey grease and it will both record noise and the target hit location of each component of a string of fire. Easier to mess with than whitewash.

For the next string, simply smear the grease back in place and voila, reset target.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:33 PM (/0X3E)

83 In order to cut costs, I'm going to (hopefully), succeed in finding a mold to cast 148 gr., Hollow Base, Full Wadcutter bullets for the .38 Special. (.357 dia).

Finding a three or four gang MOLD for those, has not gone well, thus far.

I've got about 300 lb. of classic lead wheel weights on hand, with a reliable source to get new 1/2 full, 5 gal. bucket of the same, on a monthly basis.

Weasel.... thanks, sir for that Colt Lightning Restoration vid. NOW, I have the de-rusting info I needed for that frostied-up .177 air rifle. We'll see how it goes.

Glad you survived the NoVaMoMeet, and seeya in October, sir!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 09, 2024 07:33 PM (e6UQI)

84 Maybe I don't know the difference but my 1911 trigger seems fine

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2024 07:33 PM (fwDg9)

85 Euro, we would love to have you join us in Texas. Send me an email (address in the left sidebar) and I will give you the details.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 07:34 PM (Srw7t)

86 81 70 We’d love to come to the Oct MoMe, if we didn’t annoy everyone

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:29 PM (LxqBJ)
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Yes. Please join.
Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)


Euro -

I tried annoying everyone at my first TxMoMe. Didn't work. They still let me in last year.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 07:34 PM (v23vE)

87 Blaster, excellent. Shooting steel is great practice because you have to learn how to transition from target to target.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:34 PM (tT6L1)

88 @ 56, LOL!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 07:34 PM (tQtDb)

89 For the DMV MGC outing today, I brought the H&K SP5K-PDW to share. RMBS, RMBS Mom, Sharon, Iris, and GWB all took a turn or two with it and all did pretty well with it. Since we were on the 50-yard range, I fired some five shot groups at 25 and 50 yards. I was able to get a 5" to 6" shot group at 25 yards and about double that size at 50 yards. For a PDW, 50 yards is getting into the outer limits of its effective range. Everyone agreed that the MP5 platform is a comfortable and mild recoiling shooter.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 07:35 PM (yRXSd)

90 Also we had our second annual post-NoVaMoMe range day with some out of towners joining the DMV MGC at our regular range. We just went on the regular range without a private room this time.

Lots of fun shooting. Including the Official Ace of Spades gun - a Heritage Rough Rider in 22LR with the Dead Man's Hand grips.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:35 PM (IFNME)

91 PI, I often shoot by myself. (Mrs. Red has indicated quite clearly that she will NOT sit and spot for me.)
I try to shoot targets that will give me some splash if I miss. One nice thing is that, at distance, you have a second or two to reacquire the target in your scope so that you can see indicators.
We have a huge boulder at 525 yards with a big blue cross painted on it. It’s very easy to shoot, reaquire and spot your hit, since the hit gives off a lot of stone dust.
The range has also improved backstops so that there should be some splash around most of the targets.
Maybe the NH Micro MoMe Long Range shootathon is in your future?

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:35 PM (nCaYE)

92 I think they should do full-auto shoot fund raisers with soon to be expired ammo, etc. They would be able to afford several more aircraft carriers!
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Or combine the two!

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 07:36 PM (ZdexC)

93 73 The Lake City M2 Ball is tempting. I just checked the bunker. The question is - how much is too much?

Just kidding, I know the correct answer.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 07:30 PM (WXNFJ)


I bought a can of it a while ago, 1966 headstamps, shoots just fine.

I also have some surplus Chinese 7.62x39 also from 1966 that seems to work OK. Corrosive, though. I shoot it in a beat up SKS, and clean it well after shooting. So far, no rust or corrosion. If I had a better rifle in that caliber I probably wouldn't shoot the crap ammo in it, but I don't.

Posted by: Dick Slot at June 09, 2024 07:37 PM (F6Xpw)

94 Euro, we would love to have you join us in Texas. Send me an email (address in the left sidebar) and I will give you the details.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 07:34 PM (Srw7t)
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I dunno - Euro's judgment may be questionable. I heard her referring to the D2W2 as the "grand prize"

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 07:37 PM (JwHpX)

95 Good Sunday Evening all...it has been a very good weekend. Friday was the preMoMe and Saturday was the MoMe....fun group of Morons, perfect weather, and got to meet names I recognized but now I have a face and conversations to connect with the name. Great to meet Salty Dog, Euro and her husband (congrats on the big win, you are going to have a great time!), and BecomingChasm. Got to see Blaster's new Kei truck (it's not new, but the truck is new to him and Sra), as well as connect with familiar horde members. We missed pthers including SID and RI Red. Sunday was range time and then yet another mini MoMe. If you've never attended a MoMe, it is a very fun event. Everyone is very welcoming and friendly. And in this world, that is saying something.

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 07:37 PM (IQ6Gq)

96 That would be precious, Weasel-san wielding his katana in full Weasel Farm regalia!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 07:31 PM (f0/sc)


weasel on a tractor with katana in a chest rig. Because bears.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:38 PM (IFNME)

97 Hugs and smiles and great conversation and food. It was wonderful! The weather was perfect. I still think we need a kareoke machine at one of these.
Follow up today was a day at the DMV MGC range. The range was terrific and gave us 4 lanes as soon as we all got there. Plenty of time to shoot. I shot the new Glock 48 with the Holosun a lot. It is starting to feel like MY gun. Concentrating on squeezing the trigger without loosening my grip. At the end of the session had a lane to myself and out 25 rounds through the Glock in quick sucession and felt triumphant.
Can't wait to get back at it.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 07:38 PM (t/2Uw)

98 Colt Lightnings are great! That one took some work, but it looked great afterwards.

Posted by: exdem13 at June 09, 2024 07:39 PM (W+kMI)

99 Also, what did the owner of that katana do, use a telephone pole for cutting practice? Damn...

Posted by: exdem13 at June 09, 2024 07:41 PM (W+kMI)

100 100!

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 07:41 PM (IQ6Gq)

101 91 Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:35 PM

Hey RI Red!! Looking forward to hitting all 4 corners of the cross soon. ;-)

I assume the range repaints it every year.

Pillage Idiot, if I had to make my own range I would want the targets to be back by a nice dirt berm. Gives you a good indication with a splash by any wayward round. And at the end of the year clean it out and reclaim some lead and maybe copper.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 07:41 PM (f0/sc)

102 Weasel, in order to ensure proper usage, be sure to watch every episode of "Samurai Jack" before wielding your newly restored katana.

Posted by: A expert in these matters at June 09, 2024 07:41 PM (vFG9F)

103 Range report II: Resurrection of the Safe Queen. I pulled out my Howa 1500 I originally bought to do some hunting with. Hunting which never happened, for various reasons. I decided to put a few rounds downrange to see what was going on with it, because, again, it had been a safe queen.

1 round downrange, I packed it up and put it away. The scope I have on that rifle is pathetic. It's an old discontinued Nikon Monarch that's fogged up and what not. After using Vortex glass, that scope was a huge letdown. So, the safe queen will be getting another scope and another chance. However, she doesn't have to worry about my ever getting rid of her, because my wife bought the rifle for me. Sentimental value and all that.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:42 PM (tT6L1)

104 84 Maybe I don't know the difference but my 1911 trigger seems fine
Posted by: Skip
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If you like it, don't mess with it. A lot of minor trigger problems go away just by dry firing a lot.

Ironically, a lot of older worn pistols can have quite nice triggers if the owner took care of them simply because the trigger system has polished the critical surfaces just from use.

An excellent professionally polished trigger can make a difference in a handgun if the shooter is into accuracy competitions but easy for someone without experience (or someone overseeing their trigger job) to go too far and make it unsafe or to ruin the trigger components.

Rifles are kind of a different kettle of fish but fortunately, unless you are talking about low end rifles, most rifles sold now have quite nice triggers.

Avoid buying a milsurp rifle though where people have modified the trigger unless you know darn well who they were and what they did. I have an example downstairs of a Mauser sear that some dumbass tried to change from a double stage to a single stage by crudely grinding on it. Needless to say, I got it in a job lot with a bunch of other sears which were okay.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:43 PM (/0X3E)

105 We’d love to come to the Oct MoMe, if we didn’t annoy everyone
Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:29 PM (LxqBJ)

I promise that you won't. Much fun, food, and conversation to be had.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 07:44 PM (yRXSd)

106 I don’t know, NaCly….i might would shoot Hersheys, too. Milka and Rittersport are much better
Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:07 PM

Concur, Euro. Milk chocolate is strictly for targets. I like my chocolate like I like my coffee....dark and bitter.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 07:44 PM (Pa5Jp)

107 Controversial proposal #1: weasel holds an event (along with bluebell, of course) with food.

CBD should hold an event with shooting.

Thoughts?

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:45 PM (IFNME)

108 Concur, Euro. Milk chocolate is strictly for targets. I like my chocolate like I like my coffee....dark and bitter.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 07:44 PM (Pa5Jp)
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...like our hearts....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:45 PM (tT6L1)

109 1 round downrange, I packed it up and put it away. The scope I have on that rifle is pathetic. It's an old discontinued Nikon Monarch that's fogged up and what not. After using Vortex glass, that scope was a huge letdown. So, the safe queen will be getting another scope and another chance. However, she doesn't have to worry about my ever getting rid of her, because my wife bought the rifle for me. Sentimental value and all that.
Posted by: blake
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Blake,
Nikon was still honoring its scope warranties the last time I checked. Might be able to have Nikon fix it for about the price of shipping it to them.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:45 PM (/0X3E)

110 We’d love to come to the Oct MoMe, if we didn’t annoy everyone
Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 07:29 PM (LxqBJ)

I promise that you won't. Much fun, food, and conversation to be had.
Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 07:44 PM

Seconded.

*channels inner Zod*

You will do this. You will do this now in October.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 07:46 PM (Pa5Jp)

111 Blake,
Nikon was still honoring its scope warranties the last time I checked. Might be able to have Nikon fix it for about the price of shipping it to them.
Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:45 PM (/0X3E)
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They are? I will darn well check on it then. Thanks.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:47 PM (tT6L1)

112 Scoobs, lots of new targets and berms out there!
And a couple of boxes of freedom pills await.

And for Christmas I want one of the new Garmin chronos.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:47 PM (nCaYE)

113 ....like our hearts....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:45 PM

I was going to add"like my soul-shaped place", but we're trying to encourage people here. 😜

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 07:48 PM (Pa5Jp)

114 And for Christmas I want one of the new Garmin chronos.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:47 PM (nCaYE)
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If you put in your order now, you might have one in time for Christmas.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:48 PM (tT6L1)

115 "at the end of the year clean it out and reclaim some lead and maybe copper.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 07:41 PM (f0/sc)"

I remember in some Steinbeck book (he was a native californian) he reminisces about a downed log out away back that had a sticking-out branch that all looked just like a deer ... the family's Chinese cook mined it for scrap lead every year after deer season; he even repaired it after the antler-looking branch fell off.

lol

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 07:49 PM (tQtDb)

116 I was going to add"like my soul-shaped place", but we're trying to encourage people here. 😜
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 07:48 PM (Pa5Jp)
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I would have used "heart shaped cavity" but I think AtC has claim to that particular phrase.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:50 PM (tT6L1)

117 Euro, I am sure Grandma will host the kiddos so you MUST come to Corsicana. It is great fun with fabulous hosts. Although I've never heard a horde member worry about being annoying....

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 07:50 PM (IQ6Gq)

118 112 And a couple of boxes of freedom pills await.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:47 PM

(in my best Mr. Burns) Excellent.......

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 07:50 PM (f0/sc)

119 Irony of the day. A hostage taker holding a knife to 2 women met his end when a sniper took him out with one shot to the forehead. A negotiator on the scene asked the hostage taker one last time
"Tell me what's going thru your head".
It was a 30.06

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 09, 2024 07:50 PM (MeG8a)

120 The gun that Ed brought that he mentioned above was so much fun to shoot. It is one of the few guns firing from the shoulder that I can do in perfect comfort. Hardly any recoil.And the dot is amazing.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 07:51 PM (t/2Uw)

121 Thank you to all of you who came to the NoVaMoMe yesterday! It was so great to see old friends, and make some new ones. I especially love it when we have lurkers and regular commenters who come for the first time (Beckoning Chasm, Euro, and lurkers who know who they are) - hopefully we weren't too scary and we will see you again next time.

I just love sitting around and chatting with friends that I never would have met without this here blog. So thanks to you too, Ace, for giving us this virtual home and oasis in this crazy world.

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 07:52 PM (bS+DD)

122 If you put in your order now, you might have one in time for Christmas.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

I love the free market. From folding Caldwell chronos ( that would eventually take a round to the screen), to Labradar units that cost an arm and a leg, now we have the Garmin unit- $5-600 bucks and you can put it on the Bench or mount it on your rifle.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:53 PM (nCaYE)

123 One of these days, bluebell, I shall make the NoVaMoMe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:53 PM (tT6L1)

124 I dunno, I'm'a go like Emperor Vespasian, ... the taste of all chocolate is good! I get extra-good, & all in favor of it, but when my blood sugar is sagging after a few miles of stiffish hiking, hersheys, m&ms, what-evah, even the stuff the highschool kids come around selling is just what is required at that point in time.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 07:54 PM (tQtDb)

125 I had another good day at the range. Going for consistency at this point, and this was day #2 of it. Plus we added the competition at the end of the session. Lesson: think twice about helping the husband, who in turns beats you in the competition. Trust me, that won't happen again.

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 07:54 PM (IQ6Gq)

126 121 Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 07:52 PM

Sorry I could not make it this year bluebell. Maybe next year.

Any chance of you and your hubby coming down to Texas in October?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 07:55 PM (f0/sc)

127 I had another good day at the range. Going for consistency at this point, and this was day #2 of it. Plus we added the competition at the end of the session. Lesson: think twice about helping the husband, who in turns beats you in the competition. Trust me, that won't happen again.
Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 07:54 PM (IQ6Gq)
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That's the spirit!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 07:56 PM (JwHpX)

128 @Grateful, it just means you're a brilliant coach and your husband listens to you!

What more do you want in life?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:56 PM (tT6L1)

129 *fistbump* bluebell !

one of these days ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 07:56 PM (tQtDb)

130 123 One of these days, bluebell, I shall make the NoVaMoMe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:53 PM (tT6L1)
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You were there in spirit. I saw your handiwork (and enjoyed the accompanying commentary). Very nice. Thank you for contributing from afar.

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 07:56 PM (IQ6Gq)

131 This week I rechecked the zero on my Galil and Cetme L, both in 5.56 and use the 50 yard zero as both have M16A1 type flip rear sights for 300 then 500 for the Galil and 200 and 400 for the Cetme.

The Galil runs like a champ using surplus and ProMags with no issues. The Cetme L just does not like brass ammo whether 62 or 55 grain. I got a ton of Tula steel case 5.56 and the Cetme runs that just fine even though the owner's manual says not to shoot steel case ammo. Weird. The brass extracts fine but when ejecting gets bounced around inside the receiver every now and then.

The Cetme L is like a laser and is very accurate even with the ammo issue. Nice tight groups.

Next week I will run them out to 500 yards and do some run and gun and rapid drills.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2024 07:56 PM (R/m4+)

132 Hi weasel! Thank you for the thread.

Practiced drawing from my Dene Adams corset holster. I had to lift my shirt, draw, flick the thumb safety and fire two shots as quickly as I could.

Target was at five yards.

Can't say they were all in the zero spot by any means, but all center mass and all would highly discourage someone from proceeding.

Then I slowed down, went out to ten yards and concentrated on trigger pull.

Finished with some .22 plinking to just have fun.

Good day at the range.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 09, 2024 07:56 PM (uU94S)

133 It was a 30.06
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 09, 2024 07:50 PM (MeG8a)
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Good job, Mr. Sniper.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:57 PM (tT6L1)

134 One of these days, bluebell, I shall make the NoVaMoMe.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:53 PM (tT6L1)
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We would love that! Thank you for the two beautiful cutting boards, complete with butcher block conditioner and instructions, which were won by lucky Morons Doof and Sharon!

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 07:57 PM (bS+DD)

135 Hey, Weasel! Thanks again to you and Bluebell for the NoVa MoMe. A great time was had by all!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 07:57 PM (v6JzV)

136 Controversial proposal #2: women and men shoot differently. sra blaster is a better shooter than when we are shooting statically - standing in one place shooting at a target. It is why she ended up with her own Kimber 1911 - I let her shoot mine and she shot it better than me and I wouldn't let her shoot it any more.

But in the steel shoots, I am much better than she is. Back when they used to allow study of such things, men were determined to be better at spatial relations (on average, of course, not all women, not all men, YMMV and all that). In a course where shooting is occurring in motion, I am better at acquiring a target more rapidly - with better results on the course.

Anyway, I am no biologist, but I think that men and women are generally different in different shooting scenarios.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:57 PM (IFNME)

137 128/
I'm a simple person: I want it all. To be a good coach, to have him listen, but most importantly to win the competition.

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 07:58 PM (IQ6Gq)

138 It's nice to be able to put faces to nics (though I bet if you had a "Match the person to the nic" game I'd probably do about a C+.

I'm glad to hear that you went, BC. For the record, at my first MoMe, absolutely no one looked like I expected except for Berserker.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 09, 2024 07:59 PM (6jVLl)

139 Practiced drawing from my Dene Adams corset holster. I had to lift my shirt, draw, flick the thumb safety and fire two shots as quickly as I could.
....
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 09, 2024 07:56 PM (uU94S)


There. Are. Rules.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:59 PM (IFNME)

140 We would love that! Thank you for the two beautiful cutting boards, complete with butcher block conditioner and instructions, which were won by lucky Morons Doof and Sharon!
Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 07:57 PM (bS+DD)
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Both of whom I've met in TX. What's your excuse?

Thank you for the kind words.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:59 PM (tT6L1)

141 Is your Howa 1500 one of the painted ones, blake? Mine has a Canadian flag motif but I know from their website that they have stars & stripes ones [and Aussie ones] too.

I haven't attached it yet but I've got a Crossfire II 3-9 x 40 scope for it.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 08:00 PM (ZdexC)

142 Any chance of you and your hubby coming down to Texas in October?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 07:55 PM (f0/sc)
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We have another wedding! The last six or seven years has been a flurry of weddings for us just like it was when we were 29 the first time, as our friends' kids and nieces and nephews are getting married. Five weddings this year alone.

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 08:00 PM (bS+DD)

143 Blake, is there a way I could buy cutting boards from you?

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 08:00 PM (LxqBJ)

144 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:59 PM (tT6L1)
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I think bluebell has outstanding warrants in Texas.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:00 PM (JwHpX)

145 Hey blake, I went to Texas twice and you weren't there!!

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 08:01 PM (bS+DD)

146 you go, nurse!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 08:01 PM (tQtDb)

147 Per Displays I have recently seen: that’s HerSHEy’s bars. (Eye roll)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (8sMut)

148 143 Hey, Euro. Nice meeting you at the MoMe.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (v6JzV)

149 142 Five weddings this year alone.

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 08:00 PM

Yikes!!! That would put a dent in my wallet attending that many. Especially if family.

Well maybe you might be lucky and the one in October decide to elope. :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (f0/sc)

150 The Galil runs like a champ using surplus and ProMags with no issues. The Cetme L just does not like brass ammo whether 62 or 55 grain. I got a ton of Tula steel case 5.56 and the Cetme runs that just fine even though the owner's manual says not to shoot steel case ammo. Weird. The brass extracts fine but when ejecting gets bounced around inside the receiver every now and then.

The Cetme L is like a laser and is very accurate even with the ammo issue. Nice tight groups.

Next week I will run them out to 500 yards and do some run and gun and rapid drills.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Interesting pair of rifles. The fluted chambers of the Cetme shouldn't care much about the steel compared to regular chambers and extract nicely.

Could be more about bi metallic bullets causing premature barrel wear and that is commonly found with steel cased ammo.

Galils, to my mind, are improved AKs based on a Finnish Valmet variant. Should be darn near indestructible and function well in adverse conditions with crappy ammo. Twas what it was designed for.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (/0X3E)

151 fistbump* bluebell !

one of these days ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 07:56 PM (tQtDb)
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Ya mean it? We'd love to have you!

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (bS+DD)

152 There. Are. Rules.
Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 07:59

Beat me to it!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (nCaYE)

153 Dick Slot that's a good catch on the M1-suitable surplus ammo. Have not been checking CMP for a long time (at least ammo) as I shoot my reloads. Have a can of the Prvi Partisan 30-06 M1 ammo as my "reserve".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (GcNJ2)

154 In order to cut costs, I'm going to (hopefully), succeed in finding a mold to cast 148 gr., Hollow Base, Full Wadcutter bullets for the .38 Special. (.357 dia).

Finding a three or four gang MOLD for those, has not gone well, thus far.

Jim,
The good news is, such a product exists.

https://tinyurl.com/bdd9a8jh

The bad news is, NOE Bullet Moulds is a one-man shop and the owner is having some health issues. I don't know if he will make another run of these in the near future.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (B/O+Y)

155 Bulgaroctonus, it was great meeting you and your wife at the MoMe.
Hi Nurse, how are things on the left coast?

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 08:03 PM (IQ6Gq)

156 By the way Weasel, I love the sword saga. Can't wait to see it all restored.

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 08:04 PM (bS+DD)

157 Weasel. I await the MoMe where you arrive in full regalia and your very prized cheese slicer.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:04 PM (nCaYE)

158 Bluebell, it was so great to see you and got to chat with your delightful hubby for awhile. The NoVa MoMe has a special place in my heart as it was my IRL introduction to the Horde. I'vd been here ever since.
Euro, Texas is an experience not to be missed.
Salty, so happy to be able to give you a hug in person.
RMBS and Mom, so glad you could join us today.
GWB, I alwasy remember our discussion of calibers a few MoMes ago. You and Jessein DC patiently explaining things to the newbie.
Lurkers, come out and play. It's so worth it.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 08:04 PM (t/2Uw)

159 golly, if i'm gonna get in a dawn hike it's bedtime here at Chateau D'Eez ... g'night everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 09, 2024 08:04 PM (tQtDb)

160 Wife has given the tentative okay for planning to come to Texas next October. She will have to drive a fair part of it as my days of long solo drives are about over if I want to do anything on the other end of the drive without a couple of days to bounce back.

Only caveat is medical crises with my mother in memory care. The episodes of falls, infections, etc. are becoming more frequent and her general health has declined substantially from last year.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:05 PM (/0X3E)

161 I'm a simple person: I want it all. To be a good coach, to have him listen, but most importantly to crush the competition, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentation of their significant others.
Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 07:58 PM

Suggested change.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:05 PM (M6Opu)

162 btw sra blaster has a Dene Adams corset holster, too, but she hasn't practiced drawing because of the whole lifting the shirt thing.

Probably we need to try it with the iTargetPro here at the house.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 08:05 PM (IFNME)

163 Andy, my Howa is an older plain jane model. Shoots well enough when one can see through the scope, from what I remember.

Euro, I don't really sell cutting boards though I may at some point.

I just have fun creating a couple and getting them into the hands of the people running MoMe's.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:05 PM (tT6L1)

164 112 And for Christmas I want one of the new Garmin chronos.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 07:47 PM

A bit out of reach for me at the moment. Plus I do not have a need for one as of yet.

Though for the MicroNHMoMe I have been toying with getting one of those portable canopy's for when we are at the 1000 yard range.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 08:05 PM (f0/sc)

165 Have a can of the Prvi Partisan 30-06 M1 ammo as my "reserve".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (GcNJ2)

“a can”?
Rhomboid, I am severely disappoint.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:07 PM (nCaYE)

166 Hey blake, I went to Texas twice and you weren't there!!
Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 08:01 PM (bS+DD)
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If a tree falls in the forest.......

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:07 PM (tT6L1)

167 161 I'm a simple person: I want it all. To be a good coach, to have him listen, but most importantly to crush the competition, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentation of their significant others.
Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 07:58 PM

Suggested change.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:05 PM (M6Opu)
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Sounds about right.

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)

168 Bought some powder and primers for the first time in ...... hmmm, could be 10 years? I stocked up after the 2013/Newtown panic and had decent stocks even prior to that. But recent chatter about powder supply chain issues related to the demands of the current dual unpleasantness, plus a low stock in one powder (H110), "spooked" me into nibbling. H110 is only for 30 carbine in my case, all the 357 revolvers see only mild loads. Powder price wasn't so bad, considering the outlandish inflation of the last 3 years, but primers seem stuck at 2.5 times their "old, standard" price.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:08 PM (GcNJ2)

169 Bulgaroctonus, don;t know if you caught my comment on the book thread but I really enjoyed our conversation about your brother's book. You should do a write up about it for the thread.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 08:08 PM (t/2Uw)

170 Blake, your crafstmanship is beautiful and anyone that gets one of your cutting boards is getting a gift indeed.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:08 PM (Srw7t)

171 The NoVa MoMe was great!

Is Ed L on the thread? He was a fascinating guy to talk to.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:10 PM (v6JzV)

172 Seriously Blake, I would buy a cutting board from you. You should consider it.

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 08:10 PM (IQ6Gq)

173 Thank you, Ben, appreciated.

Still can't believe another NoVaMoMe has come and gone.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:10 PM (tT6L1)

174 That Wild Cherry clip took me back big time. The days before effects took over the sound. You can actually hear the real instruments like they normally sound.

And they sound great.

The boys from Steubenville getting down with the sound, Oh Yeah!

It was a great time to be alive.

OK, back to peww, peww peww.

Posted by: pawn at June 09, 2024 08:10 PM (QB+5g)

175 167/
blah, blah, blah....

A) I am more than content just knowing I won, and
B) As the significant other I certainly would not be lamenting...

But I appreciate the spirit of the revision...

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 08:11 PM (IQ6Gq)

176 Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2024 07:52 PM (bS+DD)

Bluebell, many thanks for all of the work you put into this year's NOVA MoMe.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:11 PM (yRXSd)

177 Nurse, good on you for practicing drawing from concealment. It's a tricky business, because clothing can be contrary at times.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:12 PM (tT6L1)

178 Scoobs, a sun tent is a great idea - I was considering that. There will be water and protein bars. You will not believe the number of targets at 1000.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:12 PM (nCaYE)

179 Blake, I scored one of your gorgeous cutting boards. Thank You!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)

180 Powder price wasn't so bad, considering the outlandish inflation of the last 3 years, but primers seem stuck at 2.5 times their "old, standard" price.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I generally buy ammo when it is available rather than shoot reloads but I have a bunch of 30 Carbine already loaded.

But Prvi at Aim Surplus is popping up now and agin for about 30 bucks per fifty round box in either softpoint or hardball.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:12 PM (/0X3E)

181 my Howa is an older plain jane model
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For once, I've got the hot date!

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 08:13 PM (ZdexC)

182 Blake, I scored one of your gorgeous cutting boards. Thank You!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
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Which one did you get? The solid Maple board or the other one?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:13 PM (tT6L1)

183 Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:10 PM (v6JzV)

I'm here, but I'm kind of in and out of the thread. I have to put all of the things I dragged out to the range today w/ the DMV MGC back where they came from.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:14 PM (yRXSd)

184 RI Red, a can is 500 rounds, which ain't nothing. Think I have components for another 1K rounds, plus whatever I've got loaded now. Tragically I don't have an M1919, so this should be adequate for my needs, including during the apocalypse. Eight shots and a "ping", fair amount of shooting is covered.

As has long been the case, my 7.62X54R stockpile would be adequate for a few days' action by a typical rifle squad position on the north shoulder of the Kursk salient in 1943, so that's well covered too.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:14 PM (GcNJ2)

185 I have an example downstairs of a Mauser sear that some dumbass tried to change from a double stage to a single stage by crudely grinding on it. Needless to say, I got it in a job lot with a bunch of other sears which were okay.
Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 07:43 PM (/0X3E)

I have a Zastava M48A that looks to be all original and stock but when I take her out to shoot every few rounds or so trigger will get very light and it surprises the crap outta me. Then it goes back to a milsurp type trigger then will do it again after a few dozen rounds or so. Catches me by surprise every time.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2024 08:14 PM (R/m4+)

186 169 Sharon, I did belatedly see your post on the BooK Thread, thank you.

Now that my brother’s book is out there amongst the Horde, I will let it take its course.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:14 PM (v6JzV)

187 B) As the significant other I certainly would not be lamenting...

But I appreciate the spirit of the revision...
Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 08:11 PM


It's the lamentations of the crushed competitors' significant others that puts the cherry on top of what's best in life. :-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:15 PM (M6Opu)

188 @Ed L, heh. Yeah, a trip to the range with all ancillary gear in tow can take a bit to put back.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:15 PM (tT6L1)

189 178 Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:12 PM

I am sooooo looking forward to seeing the new targets. But as you know, that blue ram has to be reckoned with.

I will make my decision tomorrow about getting the canopy. I most likely will as it will also be useful at the TXMoMe. I am also bringing two collapsible chairs. I want my spotter to be nice and comfortable. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 09, 2024 08:15 PM (f0/sc)

190 Also, not seeing much in stock of Large Rifle primers when I checked last. Quite a few recent No Hazmat charge specials on powder and primers though around Memorial Day.

And powder is likely to go higher with Alliant's decision to put a pause on shipping reloading powder to dealers.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:15 PM (/0X3E)

191 Thanks, Weasel and Bluebell, for hosting another awesome NOVA MOME! And thanks also to Ed L, Bulgaroctonus, and the lovely Mrs. Bulgaroctonus who graciously allowed me to join them for part of the afternoon. I will say this about the mug - it is very nice looking, but it looked bigger in the pictures. Still, no complaints - it will go into my regular mug rotation.

Posted by: Retired, thank God! at June 09, 2024 08:15 PM (9BIt9)

192 blake, anytime you want to try mesquite I will supply you.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:15 PM (Srw7t)

193 Whig, if you are going to TX, I am going to make an extra special effort to be there. I’d love to sit and chat a while.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:16 PM (nCaYE)

194 Geeze, RI Red, here I thought you were coming to see me !

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:18 PM (Srw7t)

195 183. Ed L, I’m sorry that I neglected to say goodbye to you when we left yesterday. It was truly a pleasure talking to you.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:18 PM (v6JzV)

196 From folding Caldwell chronos ( that would eventually take a round to the screen), to Labradar units that cost an arm and a leg, now we have the Garmin unit- $5-600 bucks and you can put it on the Bench or mount it on your rifle.

The Garmin unit is getting rave reviews and seems to have forced prices on the Labradar way down. Currently ~$350 at Brownell's.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 09, 2024 08:18 PM (/7t0L)

197 It is one of the few guns firing from the shoulder that I can do in perfect comfort. Hardly any recoil.And the dot is amazing.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 07:51 PM (t/2Uw)

That Kraut space magic with that delayed roller blowback system of the MP5 platform makes it the softest shooting platform available today. If Bunny can shoot that thing and hit the target w/ it on her first go, it's the perfect choice for new shooters and anyone who doesn't like felt recoil. Only downside is the cost of entry.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:19 PM (yRXSd)

198 If a tree falls in the forest.......
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:07 PM

Weasel San probably sliced it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 08:19 PM (Pa5Jp)

199 Ben, sounds good. We can chat about it later this year in TX.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:19 PM (tT6L1)

200 I have a Zastava M48A that looks to be all original and stock but when I take her out to shoot every few rounds or so trigger will get very light and it surprises the crap outta me. Then it goes back to a milsurp type trigger then will do it again after a few dozen rounds or so. Catches me by surprise every time.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Shouldn't be doing that. Check the cocking piece on the bolt and the sear surfaces for chips, grooves, etc.

The classic two stage Mauser military trigger should be fairly light takeup with the trigger stacking just before the sear releases.

Occasionally overoiling the bolt can cause oil to drain to the sear/cocking piece interface and cause issues but that would be uncommon with the way most people store their rifles.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:19 PM (/0X3E)

201 200!

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 08:19 PM (IQ6Gq)

202 Retired, thank God!, it was great meeting you, too!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:19 PM (v6JzV)

203 Drat.

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)

204 Ben Had, that goes without saying!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (nCaYE)

205 Hi Nurse, how are things on the left coast?
Posted by: Grateful

Absolutely beautiful! Sunny and 70 on the beach. I was out most of the day, reading, napping, enjoying watching the families with little kids frolicking in the sand and the 53 degree salt water.

Sun won't set until well after 9pm and it's not really dark until 1030.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (9CzvH)

206 Drat.
Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Soooo close.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (JwHpX)

207 Whig, I certainly hope it works out for you and your wife to come to TX. I'd love to meet you in person.

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)

208 The solid maple one. I asked Iris carry it to the car. lol
I've alwasy used wood cutting boards because they don't hold bacteria the way that plastic ones do. yours is almost like having a work station on the counter. Can't wait to use it.
How often do you use the conditioner on it?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (t/2Uw)

209 Posted by: Retired, thank God! at June 09, 2024 08:15 PM (9BIt9)

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:18 PM (v6JzV)

You're quite welcome!

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:21 PM (yRXSd)

210 193 Whig, if you are going to TX, I am going to make an extra special effort to be there. I’d love to sit and chat a while.
Posted by: RI Red
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I am going ahead and committing myself to going and my missus is curious about meeting the gray box friends that she sees me communicating with. She reads what I post now and again to keep me on my toes.

One benefit from retirement is no longer figuring out how a trip will affect my work.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:22 PM (/0X3E)

211
Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:22 PM (/0X3E)
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Hope you can make it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (JwHpX)

212 Occasionally overoiling the bolt

As a newbie back in the day, I unfortunately found that out the hard way. Less is often just fine.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (mH6SG)

213 201 200!
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Low and to the right; wind 5mph from the left.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (ZdexC)

214 206 Drat.
Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Soooo close.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:20 PM (JwHpX)
***
Keyboard flinch.

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (IQ6Gq)

215 whig the holiday specials plus the chatter about powder supplies are what sparked my purchase.

Aside from .22LR and 54R I haven't shot factory ammo much in many years (and that would be Factory No. 60, which I think is Novosibirsk for the russki stuff, and Bulgarian Factory No. 10, not sure where that's located).

I share the common unwritten principle that only you shoot your own reloads, but have not always adhered to it when taking friends to the range. But it's mostly revolver food, and I generally do very mild loads for that, so margin of safety is good.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (GcNJ2)

216 205/
That sounds perfect. I must admit, one of the very few things I miss about the west coast is a day on the beach. The Pacific is a mighty ocean.

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (IQ6Gq)

217 In other news that will make you cry: I have an old photo of the boy with all the empty ammo cans after reloading a few 20mm Phalanx CWIS magazines.

Only used once, but just like all shipping materials, over the rails they went.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (WXNFJ)

218 Sharon, check your email.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (tT6L1)

219 whig, you just made my month. I can't wait to meet you and your wife.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:24 PM (Srw7t)

220 She reads what I post now and again to keep me on my toes.

As does Mrs. Red. She was absolutely gobsmacked to discover that my gray box friends were rather normal.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:25 PM (nCaYE)

221 As does Mrs. Red. She was absolutely gobsmacked to discover that my gray box friends were rather normal.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:25 PM (nCaYE)
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Apologies, good sir. I believe we have failed......

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:25 PM (tT6L1)

222 207 Whig, I certainly hope it works out for you and your wife to come to TX. I'd love to meet you in person.
Posted by: Grateful

We are planning to be there this year and need to make reservations. My medical trip to Mayo has been slotted for July and a trip to visit my mother and deal with POA headaches is at the end of the month.

But, as happens, one time I was in New Orleans at a conference and get a call that my mother was having heart failure and in the hospital. So, I am crossing my fingers on my mother not having a health crisis in October.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:26 PM (/0X3E)

223 Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:14 PM (GcNJ2)

You could get one of Ohio Ordinance's M1918 BAR replicas as a consolation prize.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)

224 ...The bad news is, NOE Bullet Moulds is a one-man shop and the owner is having some health issues. I don't know if he will make another run of these in the near future. Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 09, 2024 08:02 PM (B/O+Y)


Thanks for the info, Idaho! I'll drop him a line, and find out *if* the mold is a possibility. If so, it'll be worth the time and effort to lay pavers on the "other side" of the garage, and make a dedicated casting zone.

Few hundred pounds of lead, and a few propane cylinders, and I might just cast a lifetime of bullets in a few months time.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 09, 2024 08:26 PM (e6UQI)

225 Such a great NoVaMoMe - perfect weather and great conversations. So wonderful to see "regulars" and so nice to see the now-former lurkers (BeckingChasm - you were so comfortable I really thought we'd met before!; Jane & mom - so glad you made it!)

Plus our post MoMe range visit with guests - just another fun day.

Thank you so much Bluebell & Weasel for keeping the tradition going!

Posted by: Iris, Team Hedgehog at June 09, 2024 08:26 PM (n3DL0)

226 Shouldn't be doing that. Check the cocking piece on the bolt and the sear surfaces for chips, grooves, etc.
The classic two stage Mauser military trigger should be fairly light takeup with the trigger stacking just before the sear releases.
Occasionally overoiling the bolt can cause oil to drain to the sear/cocking piece interface and cause issues but that would be uncommon with the way most people store their rifles.
Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:19 PM (/0X3E)

Excellent! I will give her a once over and check for any defects and chips, etc. with the cocking piece and bolt/sear surfaces.

Thanks whig!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2024 08:26 PM (R/m4+)

227 As does Mrs. Red. She was absolutely gobsmacked to discover that my gray box friends were rather normal.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:25 PM (nCaYE)


For certain values of normal.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 08:27 PM (IFNME)

228 219 whig, you just made my month. I can't wait to meet you and your wife.
Posted by: Ben Had
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One has to make a pilgrimmage when they are able. Do you already have the dates and hotel information down so I can make reservations? We will be driving as the whole flying process is unbearable to me nowadays.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:27 PM (/0X3E)

229 220 She reads what I post now and again to keep me on my toes.

As does Mrs. Red. She was absolutely gobsmacked to discover that my gray box friends were rather normal.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:25 PM (nCaYE)
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Bwahahahahah!

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 08:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

230 Wow, $350 for the Garmin chrono seems pretty good. The only time I saw one (young SEAL sniper instructor/precision competitor at my range), he said price was about the same as LabRadar. It sure was compact and seemed easy to use.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:27 PM (GcNJ2)

231 She reads what I post now and again to keep me on my toes.

Kudos to her. IMHO, you seem to be on your toes here 99% of the time. I always enjoy your takes here.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 09, 2024 08:28 PM (mH6SG)

232 blake: for certain values of normal.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:28 PM (nCaYE)

233 I'm pretty normal but WW can be a little scary.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:29 PM (JwHpX)

234 Got it!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 09, 2024 08:29 PM (t/2Uw)

235 Seems to me there’s an echo in here!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:30 PM (nCaYE)

236 Ed L. a shooting friend has a semi-auto M1919, though I think he rarely breaks it out. The BAR would be good for high-rep/low-weight overhead resistance work, though!

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:30 PM (GcNJ2)

237 Whig, I hope your mom can get better soon.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:31 PM (yRXSd)

238 I'm pretty normal but WW can be a little scary.

lol

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 09, 2024 08:31 PM (mH6SG)

239 whig, my email address is in the left side bar. Dates are set, motel is offering us a rate and menu is being planned.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:31 PM (Srw7t)

240 191. Thanks, Retired! It was great talking to you.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:32 PM (v6JzV)

241 Gunpowder isn't going to get any cheaper. The war in Ukraine exposed that the West is woefully understocked on artillery shells, so the USo wants to make another million rounds per year. Each artillery shell uses 10 to 20 pounds of powder. Plus the US is restricting the importation of nitrocellulose from China. One of the big US sporting powder companies has announced they will stop taking orders.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 09, 2024 08:32 PM (B/O+Y)

242 Weasel Woman is an absolute delight.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:32 PM (Srw7t)

243 Excellent! I will give her a once over and check for any defects and chips, etc. with the cocking piece and bolt/sear surfaces.

Thanks whig!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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No problem. The Mauser trigger system is probably one of the best ever developed for sheer reliability but now and again, a problem can crop up usually through owner modification but occasionally when a sear is overhardened in heat treatment making it brittle. Sometimes, it can also be a result of the arsenal system where a part that doesn't quite match the other parts due to stacking tolerances is substituted at the arsenal.

A std Mauser trigger can be made quite smooth if not particularly light by careful polishing of it and the cocking piece surfaces.

Personally though, I prefer the Enfield trigger system followed by the K31. The K31 has an excellent trigger pull but is a beast to actually work on routine replacement of springs, etc.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:33 PM (/0X3E)

244 I let my pistol license expire. I live in a state (WA) where using one's 2nd A right is almost as risky as not using it.

Posted by: chris+opher at June 09, 2024 08:33 PM (dSco/)

245 You could get one of Ohio Ordinance's M1918 BAR replicas as a consolation prize.
Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)
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I'd love to get one of their H.C.A.R.'s. But, my first born if over 40 and, he's probably not worth much any more...

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:34 PM (tT6L1)

246 Yesterday after range time, I took four of my pistols apart and cleaned them.

One at a time. I didn't want to mix anything up.

Then I put them back together. No extra parts!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 09, 2024 08:34 PM (SYlCh)

247 We had a long drive, stopped by a friend’s house to pick up some furniture and check the structure…so I’m tuckered
Was wonderful to meet the Morons, and to assure the hub that you’re not figments of my imagination!

Posted by: Euro at June 09, 2024 08:34 PM (LxqBJ)

248 239 whig, my email address is in the left side bar. Dates are set, motel is offering us a rate and menu is being planned.
Posted by: Ben Had

THANKS, I will be making reservations probably this next week after checking with the missus. We will probably combine it with a trip to my mother in Arkansas before leaving us with a shorter trip to Texas.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:35 PM (/0X3E)

249 Food Thread is currently at 218, so it's unlikely Weasel will be summoned to a 0500 EDT Zoom call with Ace to discuss Gun Thread engagement and performance.

The Gun Thread staff thanks you.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:35 PM (M6Opu)

250 Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:32 PM (Srw7t)
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That's what she wants you to think!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:36 PM (JwHpX)

251 237 Whig, I hope your mom can get better soon.
Posted by: Ed L

She is the last of our parents still living and we have seen this cycle before where you get a lot of medical issues coupled with falling. To some extent, due to her dementia, we are losing more of her every day anyway. I have become more or less depending on the moment, her father, my father, her brother, and myself and she might just not recognize me this summer trip.

Right now, she doesn't remember being married and seems stuck in time as a teenager for the last six months or so.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:38 PM (/0X3E)

252 I dunno, duncanthrax. We haven’t seen many videos lately starring Fun SizeJoe . . .

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:40 PM (nCaYE)

253 Oh, here's a gubby thing. A guy who works for me says he has a present for me. He knows I have a P365 XL (he has one too) and so he gives me an Icarus grip module. That's an aluminum frame for a P365. And it is PRICY. I am thinking dude this is not just something you give away. You should sell it. He assures me - its a gift.

Well, okay. And it looks kinda cool. But I like my P365 the way it is and it is my EDC. So maybe I could build another one but then we would have an odd number of 365s and that is right out.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 08:41 PM (IFNME)

254 For those of you that have never been to the TXMoMe this is how it works:
Thursday- drinks and appetizers in the evening at the ranch
Friday - shooting pistol/rifle ranges, light lunch, more shooting, dinner, open bar and dancing
Saturday , shooting, deep fried bacon, door prizes, dinner, and dancing.
There is no charge for attending.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (Srw7t)

255 Whig, both of our sets are now gone and we went though the same.
After that, my older brother and I have a pact involving a boat trip and a lake.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (nCaYE)

256 Since I have gone down the road of small group size reloading madness, I've been looking at some youtube reloading videos. I ran across an interesting video by Erik Cortina. While I was listening to what he had to say about reloading, he casually mentioned that if his rifle started shooting 1/2 MOA, he tossed the barrel, because the barrel was worn out, because he expects his rifle to shoot 1/4 MOA.

And here I am, thrilled to shoot 1/2 MOA groups. 1/4 MOA is other worldly accuracy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (tT6L1)

257 That's what she wants you to think!
Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:36 PM


Weasel, the fact that you're still with us after l'affaire John Deere batteries on the kitchen counter is prima facie evidence that Ben Had's characterization of Weasel Woman as "an absolute delight" is spot on.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (M6Opu)

258 Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 09, 2024 08:32 PM (B/O+Y)

I think Whig said that the contractor is Alliant upthread, who owns most of the manufacturing capability in the industry. Also, don't forget about all of the small arms ammo, tank rounds, autocannon rounds, 40mm grenades, and more that require smokeless powder to function. I think this will continue for two or three more years. I wouldn't bet on any combatants in the ongoing unpleasantness giving in without a lot more pain getting dished out all around.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (yRXSd)

259 That Kraut space magic with that delayed roller blowback system of the MP5 platform makes it the softest shooting platform available today. If Bunny can shoot that thing and hit the target w/ it on her first go, it's the perfect choice for new shooters and anyone who doesn't like felt recoil. Only downside is the cost of entry.
Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:19 PM

Truth. If the RMBS Mom can shoot that thing well on the first try, you know it's a smooth shooter. Now I have to get her more comfortable with the AR platform...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 08:44 PM (Pa5Jp)

260 She is the last of our parents still living and we have seen this cycle before where you get a lot of medical issues coupled with falling. To some extent, due to her dementia, we are losing more of her every day anyway. I have become more or less depending on the moment, her father, my father, her brother, and myself and she might just not recognize me this summer trip.

Right now, she doesn't remember being married and seems stuck in time as a teenager for the last six months or so.
Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:38 PM (/0X3E)


So sorry, whig. We went through that with my mom over the past ten years or so. The best that can be said about the whole situation is that I'd already said my goodbyes a couple years before her passing in March.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 08:45 PM (v23vE)

261 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (tT6L1)
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1/4 to 1/3 MOA accuracy is about standard for a nice match rifle.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:45 PM (JwHpX)

262 Whig, I feel for you. I went through similar with my mom.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:46 PM (tT6L1)

263 Wow, $350 for the Garmin chrono seems pretty good

The Labradar is currently $350. TheGarmin is $600 which is what the Labradar used to be before they had real competition.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 09, 2024 08:47 PM (cfWuT)

264 I'll put in another good word for 1911 and Browning HP clones made in Turkey. The machining is excellent, the prices are low, and you can get variations US makers don't offer.
Brands to look for are EEA, Tisas, and SDS Imports.
Turkey has been straddling the fence between the USA and Russia for a while. Don't be surprised if Washington cuts off the importation of sporting arms and ammo out of spite.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 09, 2024 08:47 PM (B/O+Y)

265 254 For those of you that have never been to the TXMoMe this is how it works:
Thursday- drinks and appetizers in the evening at the ranch
Friday - shooting pistol/rifle ranges, light lunch, more shooting, dinner, open bar and dancing
Saturday , shooting, deep fried bacon, door prizes, dinner, and dancing.
There is no charge for attending.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (Srw7t)


I remember wondering before TxMoMe 2021 what would be available food-wise. Ben Had, CowHorseQueen, and Rancher Bob (and all the Moron cooks who donate their time) made sure that wasn't an issue.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 08:47 PM (v23vE)

266 255 Whig, both of our sets are now gone and we went though the same.
After that, my older brother and I have a pact involving a boat trip and a lake.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (nCaYE)


You broke my heart, Fredo RI Red!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 08:48 PM (v23vE)

267 Ed L., I can see one theater of festivities getting quieter sooner than that, sort of expect it to, but that will still leave a big ramp-up in procurement meeting a fairly small industrial supply chain. So now you've got me thinking of looking at the powder magazine (photos of which appeared in this thread a few years back) and seeing if I should top up on other powders.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:48 PM (GcNJ2)

268 Prayer up, Whig.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 08:51 PM (v6JzV)

269 >>After that, my older brother and I have a pact involving a boat trip and a lake.

Lake?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 09, 2024 08:51 PM (LkLld)

270 1/4 to 1/3 MOA accuracy is about standard for a nice match rifle.
Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:45 PM (JwHpX)

Which is why I’m in heaven if I can get an Everyman factory gun to shoot 3/4 MOA!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:52 PM (nCaYE)

271 JackStraw, you can complete my wish list this year.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 08:52 PM (Srw7t)

272 Thanks RI Red, Blake, and Schnorflepuppy for the kind words.

Fortunately, my mother did all her funeral plans and even prepaid them to make sure what she got as a funeral. Bit of dark comedy about this time last year as my mom became convinced that my dad cheated on her and had another family. She was insistent that she not be buried beside him and she would not let go of the idea for months.

Now, she has forgotten she was even married and sorta whether she had kids or not. She confuses me at times with her younger brother and my sister with her younger sister.


Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:53 PM (/0X3E)

273 Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:38 PM (/0X3E)

I'm very sorry to hear that, Whig. Both of my parents went very quickly when their time came, and they were (mostly) lucid right up to the end. I can't imagine trying to do with what you're doing now.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:53 PM (yRXSd)

274 Thanks Oddbob. Not in the market for either, but good to know.

Idaho Spudboy, Turkey's actually dabbling in far more important and dicey things than their dalliance with Moscow, but I assume/hope that a, well, "different" administration in the US would be slow to limit gun imports - if we are so lucky as to get such an administration.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2024 08:53 PM (GcNJ2)

275 oo) and so he gives me an Icarus grip module. That's an aluminum frame for a P365. And it is PRICY. I am thinking dude this is not just something you give away. You should sell it. He assures me - its a gift.

Well, okay. And it looks kinda cool. But I like my P365 the way it is and it is my EDC. So maybe I could build another one but then we would have an odd number of 365s and that is right out.
Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 08:41 PM


Dude. The Icarus is, IMNSHO, the best P365 grip module currently available. Because it's metal, they can sculpt the area under the trigger guard out just a bit more, which combined with its beavertail makes it sit in your hand feelably better.

Get/install a magazine release, and you can swap between it and the stock grip module.

The only very minor downcheck for the Icarus (besides price, which isn't a factor here) are the 'go-pedals' on each side, which can make getting a holster more challenging.

Even better, and the obvious answer, is buy 2 more XLs.

I won't even charge my usual consulting fee for solving your problem for you. You're welcome.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:54 PM (M6Opu)

276 268 Prayer up, Whig.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Thanks. It kinda is what it is. My wife and I dodged dementia on the other three parents but this time it is the long goodbye.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:55 PM (/0X3E)

277 Jack Straw, that could be a Bay. Or a Sound.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 08:55 PM (nCaYE)

278 1/4 to 1/3 MOA accuracy is about standard for a nice match rifle.
Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:45 PM (JwHpX)
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With the 06, I don't expect I'll ever do much better than 1/2 MOA. But, now that I'm there, I plan to remain there.

Maybe if I get into the 284 Winchester I'll do better but, until then, I'll be happy with the fact I've vastly improved my shooting ability over the last few months.

Again, thanks for the tips. I've greatly appreciated all the help.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:55 PM (tT6L1)

279 Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 09, 2024 08:47 PM (B/O+Y)

Don't forget that a bunch of the MP5 clones are imported from Turkey too. H&K isn't importing anywhere near enough SP5 platforms to satisfy the demand by themselves.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:57 PM (yRXSd)

280 Well, time to wander. Thanks again, Weasel, appreciate everything you do.

And thanks for the kind words from everyone regarding my donation to the NoVaMoMe.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:57 PM (tT6L1)

281 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:55 PM (tT6L1)
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Sounds like you're doing fine. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM (JwHpX)

282 Today at the range sra blaster was having a shooting low and to the left problem and she got it worked out. I sent her the video from the thread tonight and she said it was interesting because she arrived at the resolution the same as the video but she says well now I know why.

Fundamentals.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM (IFNME)

283 I'm very sorry to hear that, Whig. Both of my parents went very quickly when their time came, and they were (mostly) lucid right up to the end. I can't imagine trying to do with what you're doing now.
Posted by: Ed L

We found out that people really give some useful tips from dealing with their own parents with dementia and you basically learn to shrug off the unpleasantness and embrace the sweet of the time you have left with them.

My mother's is a mixed sort of Alzheimers and vascular dementia and the vascular started first in 2020 or so which makes long term prognosis more difficult.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM (/0X3E)

284 H&K isn't importing anywhere near enough SP5 platforms to satisfy the demand by themselves.
Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:57 PM


Given H&K's well-documented concern for civilian customers, I find this hard to believe.

;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM (M6Opu)

285 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 08:44 PM (Pa5Jp)

If she asks for an H&K, are you in trouble?

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM (yRXSd)

286 Weasel, have you designed your tsuba yet?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:59 PM (M6Opu)

287 282 I sent her the video from the thread tonight and she said it was interesting because she arrived at the resolution the same as the video but she says well now I know why.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM (IFNME)
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Who knew hershey bar shooting videos could be so educational?!

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 09:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

288 And here I am, thrilled to shoot 1/2 MOA groups. 1/4 MOA is other worldly accuracy.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 08:43 PM (tT6L1)

Let's not forget all the great groups that have been shot with a typewriter.

I have a couple of .22 centerfire varmint rifles that can shoot 1/4 MOA groups. Every now and then, I think about taking them to a brenchrest rifle match. I wouldn't win, but I might beat somebody who was having a bad day.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 09, 2024 09:00 PM (B/O+Y)

289 Fundamentals.
Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM (IFNME)
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I swear I am not making this up!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:00 PM (JwHpX)

290 There are camera systems available. Put the camera downrange and pair the receiver with your mobile device. The one I have has a shot spotter app so you can mark the shots and when you're done, have it tell you what your group size is.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 09, 2024 07:32 PM


Thanks blake, makes perfect sense.

You were one of the people that talks about getting ready for a match, but I had no clue as to the nuts and bolts of you doing that!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 09, 2024 09:01 PM (HlyYF)

291 OK! New thoughts.
Im using my second First Focal Plane scope on the AR 10 and finding that I like it. The crosshairs are a bit corse at low power, but I do like the consistent MOA read.
The first scope is on my Ruger Precision Rimfire, and it sold me.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 09:01 PM (nCaYE)

292 >>JackStraw, you can complete my wish list this year.

Make you a deal, Ben Had. You come and visit me first.

I have your plane ticket. The horses can live without you for a weekend.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 09, 2024 09:02 PM (LkLld)

293 Lake?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 09, 2024 08:51 PM

Heh, heh...big lake!

Posted by: Long Duc Dong at June 09, 2024 09:02 PM (Pa5Jp)

294 Coarse!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 09:03 PM (nCaYE)

295 If she asks for an H&K, are you in trouble?
Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM

She hasn't gone that far down the shooting rabbit hole yet, Ed.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 09:04 PM (Pa5Jp)

296 JackStraw, thank you but unfortunately they can't. One person shop and customer's horses. Don't give up on me though.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 09:04 PM (Srw7t)

297 Whig, I hear you. I have no idea if my mother even knew who I was when she passed. But I knew she waited til I flew in so my father would not be alone. I also helped care for one of my grandmother's sisters, and learned all about my grandmother's earlier years (I had her name, so she thought I was her). It seems unreal as they age and are no longer the parents we remember, but then we start parenting them in reverse. I will keep you and your wife in my prayers during this journey. I hope wherever her mind is she is at peace.

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 09:05 PM (IQ6Gq)

298 Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:58 PM (M6Opu)

Supposedly, H&K wants to end MP5 production in favor of more modern platforms like the UMP or MP7. But demand for the MP5 among military and law enforcement remains strong enough for H&K to keep in it production despite H&K's preference to move on to newer things. I even saw video of Zelensky's security detail (archival footage from last year?) packing MP5s. It appears that there's some truth to the contention that MP5 demand is still there.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 09:05 PM (yRXSd)

299 Make you a deal, Ben Had. You come and visit me first.

I have your plane ticket. The horses can live without you for a weekend.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 09, 2024 09:02 PM (LkLld)

You do that, Ben Had, and I’ll be there l too.
I know where he lives.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 09:05 PM (nCaYE)

300 Good to see some old friends again, and perhaps made a new one or two.

Thanks again for the meetup.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 09, 2024 09:05 PM (KfbtG)

301 Missed the NoVA MoMe this year because, well, no longer traveling to the East Coast once a month. I joined the Blue Card Mafia less than a month ago.

Maybe next year! Setting my sights on Corsicana.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 09, 2024 09:06 PM (8sMut)

302 Weasel, have you designed your tsuba yet?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2024 08:59 PM (M6Opu)
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Not yet but working on it. I have a guy picked out to make a new saya once the polishing is done.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:06 PM (JwHpX)

303 Catch, looking forward to seeing you in Oct.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 09:07 PM (Srw7t)

304 Well, time for me to punch out. We have a decent drive ahead of us tomorrow.

Thanks again, Weasel for a most cromulent Gun Thread.

And thanks to bluebell, Weasel, and all the other amazing Hordelings who made this a great NoVaMoMe. We'll see you all here again next year, God willing.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 09:08 PM (Pa5Jp)

305 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 09:08 PM (Pa5Jp)
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Always a pleasure, bro.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:09 PM (JwHpX)

306 304 Well, time for me to punch out. We have a decent drive ahead of us tomorrow.

Thanks again, Weasel for a most cromulent Gun Thread.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 09:08 PM (Pa5Jp)
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We hope you have a most cromulent drive. See you next time!

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM (IQ6Gq)

307 bluebell and Weasel, you brought so much joy. Thank you.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM (Srw7t)

308 I will keep you and your wife in my prayers during this journey. I hope wherever her mind is she is at peace.
Posted by: Grateful
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Thanks, I humbly appreciate your kind thoughts to me and my wife.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM (/0X3E)

309 Hello Horde. I'm late and I haven't read the assignment so I'll just comment quickly and then go put myself in the corner of shame.

No range time, of course, as I've been traveling in England, but I did see some interesting historic weapons at St Michael's Mount. I couldn't get good photos, due to those pesky glass cases, not to mention all the annoying tourists. Will send to Weasel to see if any are usable for the GT. I did get another gun related photo in an unexpected place that amused me very much. Maybe I'll send it in, too, if I can get my shit together.

[spoiler alert: SiD will not get her shit together]

Mom is back from my cousin's house as of tonight and I'm back to work tomorrow...

Trip pics will be shared with known Hordelings upon request.

Missed being with y'all at the NoVaMoMe. Is it October yet?

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM (iZbyp)

310 screaming in digital, won't be long now.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 09:11 PM (Srw7t)

311 Hey, RMBS, it was great seeing you and your wife at the MoMe.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 09:11 PM (v6JzV)

312 Few hundred pounds of lead, and a few propane cylinders, and I might just cast a lifetime of bullets in a few months time.

Jim

I have about 1500 pounds on hand and have access to the old West Coast Shot factory location. There is about 2 tons on the inside of the tower tube, 5 tons in the old pot at the bottom and 7 tons in the pot at the top of the tower.
The grounds could be mined for probably another 3 or 4 tons.
As long as I have a drill I'll never run out.
I have 2 coffee cans of bullet lead from the former Hornady factory, now called Extreme Bullets. Probably 90 or so pounds.
The rest is 6% antimony "hard" shot lead. Have to be doped down to 3 or so % to do bullets. 50/50 mix with pure lead.

I'm on the hunt for a job I might swing by Extreme in the morning and see what they have.

Posted by: Reforger at June 09, 2024 09:11 PM (xcIvR)

313 Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM (Srw7t)
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Just following your example!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:12 PM (JwHpX)

314 Maybe next year! Setting my sights on Corsicana.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 09, 2024 09:06 PM (8sMut)

Hope to see you in TX too, Catch!

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 09:12 PM (yRXSd)

315 289/
Weasel, all I can tell you is that my first time shooting my gun, which is when I got really serious, was April 7. I go to the range twice a week and focus solely on fundamentals.
I can't even begin to describe the progress I've made. And the satisfaction and confidence I have.
So, thank you for that. And this thread.

Posted by: Grateful at June 09, 2024 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

316 >>JackStraw, thank you but unfortunately they can't. One person shop and customer's horses. Don't give up on me though.


You know I grew up with this. You can make it happen. I know better.

If you worked 1/10 as hard as you do to make a huge party for all of the morons as you did for 1 weekend to get away you I promise I would make it worth your while and so would morons around here who can't make it to your party.

Come hang out.

Trust me.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 09, 2024 09:13 PM (LkLld)

317 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 09:08 PM (Pa5Jp)

Have a safe trip.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 09:13 PM (yRXSd)

318 309 Hello Horde. I'm late and I haven't read the assignment so I'll just comment quickly and then go put myself in the corner of shame.

No range time, of course, as I've been traveling in England ...


Humblebraggin' is still braggin', ma'am...

Seriously, hope you have had a wonderful time!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 09:13 PM (v23vE)

319 Hey, RMBS, it was great seeing you and your wife at the MoMe.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 09:11 PM.

Great seeing you, too. Minor correction, though, that was my mom.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 09:14 PM (Pa5Jp)

320 Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM (iZbyp)
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You send it, I'll post it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:14 PM (JwHpX)

321 300 Jinx, we didn’t get much time to talk, but it was good to see you at the MoMe.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 09:14 PM (v6JzV)

322 Trip pics will be shared with known Hordelings upon request.

Missed being with y'all at the NoVaMoMe. Is it October yet?
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM

Would love to see some pics! Sharon has my email.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2024 09:15 PM (Pa5Jp)

323 319 Oops! Sorry.

I hope she likes my brother’s book.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 09:16 PM (v6JzV)

324 Weasel, as always, great stuff Thx to you and bluebell for carrying on the tradition.
See you soon!

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2024 09:17 PM (nCaYE)

325 OK all y'all. 9:17 thank you time.

Thank you! Thank you for being here tonight and thank you to those who came to the NoVAMoMe!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:17 PM (JwHpX)

326 Screaming, missed you at the NoVa MoMe.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 09:18 PM (v6JzV)

327 I won as a prize at the MoMe a book called the poetry of Donald Trump. It is a work of art.

But it's not actual poetry from the Donald they assembled various statements into poetry like arrangements.

The haiku's are the best.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 09:18 PM (IFNME)

328 Trip pics will be shared with known Hordelings upon request.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM (iZbyp)


Email in nickname, if you would be so kind, ma'am.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 09:19 PM (v23vE)

329 Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 09:18 PM (IFNME)
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Are there pictures in the book?

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:19 PM (JwHpX)

330 Wish all a good night. Thanks Weasel for hosting and the other commenters for providing food for thought.

Posted by: whig at June 09, 2024 09:19 PM (/0X3E)

331 Would love to see some pics! Sharon has my email.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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*drags out slide projector*

I only have 400...

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:19 PM (iZbyp)

332 327 That would’ve been my first choice, Blaster.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 09:20 PM (v6JzV)

333 Thanks again for another great NoVaMoMe, Weasel! I'll share my great MoMe story that I told you on Saturday:
NoVaMoMe 2020 at the old Train Station:
I was talking to a nice couple, a few years older than me. They had come from the Jersey Shore, and I told them how I had missed out on some good South Jersey culture this year. Back in March, I had tickets to see one of my favorite bands, Overkill, at the Filmore in Silver Spring. I was set to see them on Friday in mid March of 2020 and unfortunately the world ended two days before and everything got shut down.
The dude cocks his head slightly, gives me a strange look, and finally responds, "I was one of the original guitarists for Overkill."
Mind blown.
So I get to spend the next hour having beers and BBQ with one of the founders of one of my favorite bands - got some cool stories about their early days & why he left. And at the end of the night as I left, I found him and in honoring Overkill's signature song, gave him the finger. He laughed and gave it right back at me
Entertainers, whether athletes, actors, or musicians, tend to disappoint when you meet them in person. I was lucky enough to learn that one of my favorites is a Moron

Posted by: Brother Bob at June 09, 2024 09:20 PM (zZe7j)

334 Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:17 PM (JwHpX)

Thanks for hosting this thread and MC-ing the MoMe!

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 09:20 PM (yRXSd)

335 Number 17 -- the larch.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 09:20 PM (ZdexC)

336 Posted by: Brother Bob at June 09, 2024 09:20 PM (zZe7j)
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Love that story and it was great to see you as always! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:21 PM (JwHpX)

337 Email in nickname, if you would be so kind, ma'am.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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Got it!

I'm doing a bit of deduping and will send a link along shortly. I haven't added captions yet.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:22 PM (iZbyp)

338 Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 09:20 PM (yRXSd)
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Thanks for being here, and there!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:22 PM (JwHpX)

339 GWB brought an AR in .50 Beowulf which we did not shoot because.50 Beowulf.

Reminded sra blaster she wants a Deagle in .50 AE.

Well if she gets one it will be a singleton. No need for doubles of THAT.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 09:24 PM (IFNME)

340 We are 2x the food thread now.

Yeah, we bad.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 09:26 PM (IFNME)

341 Haiku for Blaster:

pour a drink
whistle while you work
pushups for all

Posted by: TRex at June 09, 2024 09:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

342 Got it!

I'm doing a bit of deduping and will send a link along shortly. I haven't added captions yet.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:22 PM (iZbyp)


I was in Europe a couple years back and loved it. Now I'm just living vicariously through others' experiences.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 09:27 PM (v23vE)

343 >>We are 2x the food thread now.

>>Yeah, we bad.

Wait until you see what happened in the elections in Germany, France and Belgium today.

You might ever stop asking is anything will happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 09, 2024 09:28 PM (LkLld)

344 Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:10 PM (iZbyp)

Next time you go to England, see if you can be there for "Tank Fest" at the Bovington Museum. You'll get to see historical tanks get put through their paces (who doesn't like watching junk cars getting squashed by tanks driving over them) and get to see them up close after they're done driving around.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 09:28 PM (yRXSd)

345 1/4 to 1/3 MOA accuracy is about standard for a nice match rifle.

Weasel, what are your thoughts on accuracy with the firearms from Desert Tech?

I have been long looking at the MDRX, but the WLVRN is the successor to what might just be a great CQB (300BLK) gun with legs.

But the HTI in the .375 CT looks like a great candidate for the Reach Out And Touch Someone mode of social contact if conditions keep deteriorating.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 09, 2024 09:30 PM (KwHva)

346 Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2024 09:24 PM (IFNME)

At $1.85 per round, one DE in .50 AE will be all you can afford to feed.

Posted by: Ed L at June 09, 2024 09:30 PM (yRXSd)

347 Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 09, 2024 09:30 PM (KwHva)
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Sorry but I'm not familiar with the manufacturer or their products. I really don't keep up with all the latest and greatest.

My match guns were custom made for me and <1/3 MOA accuracy is the expectation among F Class shooters.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:35 PM (JwHpX)

348 Next time you go to England, see if you can be there for "Tank Fest" at the Bovington Museum. You'll get to see historical tanks get put through their paces (who doesn't like watching junk cars getting squashed by tanks driving over them) and get to see them up close after they're done driving around.
Posted by: Ed L
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That would be awesome, and I also want to see the Churchill War Rooms.

I had to leave early, so I missed the lighting of the beacons for the D-Day anniversary. But my travel companions got a video of one of them.

I enjoyed peering out of the WWII pillboxes at St Michaels; but did not manage to find the window where the Spanish Armada was spotted.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 09, 2024 09:40 PM (iZbyp)

349 Not surprised that the price on the Labradar is falling rapidly. Maybe it’s just the unit I have or me being a lowercase moron, but I have not been at all impressed with mine. Very touchy to get it aimed correctly, even then it seems like it randomly just decides not to track. As soon as I get a month with not much in the way of expenses, I’m buying one of the Garmin units and the Labradar is going to be the target instead of aimed at one.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 09, 2024 09:40 PM (JzojN)

350 What's this nonsense about fundamentals?

I was convinced that my subcompact summer carry pistol was shooting low and right...mostly right (I shoot left-handed).

Especially since all of my full-sized pistols are fine.

Except...when I shot it off a rest, it shot straight and true. Obviously my socks were too tight.

What I discovered is that the pistol is so small that my left hand dominates the grip...there isn't enough room for both hands. So I was pushing right, and funny enough...the rounds were going right!

Those f*cking fundamentals are always the culprit!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2024 09:42 PM (d9fT1)

351 Howdy Weasel! And howdy to all the Hordelings too! Great time at the MoMe yesterday. Glad to have seen some of you there. Many thanks to both Bluebell and Weasel!

Posted by: Doof at June 09, 2024 09:42 PM (uRZZ/)

352 Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 09, 2024 09:40 PM (JzojN)
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It helps to not set the unit up on the bench you're shooting from. Also, try using about a 3" section of a drinking straw taped to the top as a peep sight to align with the target.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:43 PM (JwHpX)

353 Just read below, the stupidest reporter's questions about the hostage rescue. My Grandfather often said, "God has a special place in Hell for the press."

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at June 09, 2024 09:43 PM (4wEea)

354 Posted by: Doof at June 09, 2024 09:42 PM (uRZZ/)
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Thanks amigo! Great to see you.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:45 PM (JwHpX)

355 Not surprised that the price on the Labradar is falling rapidly. Maybe it’s just the unit I have or me being a lowercase moron, but I have not been at all impressed with mine.

Same experience with the Labradar. It also didn't help that so many gun ranges have such tight firing lanes that the Labradar is physically blocked from picking up projectiles going down range.

End up just using it for archery.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 09, 2024 09:45 PM (KwHva)

356 CBD,

Obviously the answer is to take all your guns to a local buy back program.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 09, 2024 09:46 PM (cqahf)

357 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2024 09:42 PM (d9fT1)
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Sock tension and wristwatch size are both key elements.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:46 PM (JwHpX)

358 nurse off the top rope!

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2024 09:47 PM (Srw7t)

359 Home just in time to not get willowed!

Posted by: GWB at June 09, 2024 09:53 PM (AWrpC)

360 LOL.

I've been misreading Labradar as Labrador.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 09:55 PM (ZdexC)

361 Hey, GWB! Great to see you at the MoMe yesterday.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 09:59 PM (v6JzV)

362 Thanks, Weasel, and have a fine week, Gub Horde!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 09, 2024 10:02 PM (v23vE)

363 Sock tension and wristwatch size are both key elements.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2024 09:46 PM (JwHpX)

I have custom shooting socks. Do I need to get custom adjustable shooting socks?

And wristwatch size is tough. I am not a Ninja-SEAL-SPECOPS dude, so I am limited to about 41mm!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2024 10:03 PM (d9fT1)

364 ONT nood

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 09, 2024 10:04 PM (ZdexC)

365 Obviously the answer is to take all your guns to a local buy back program.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 09, 2024 09:46 PM (cqahf)

Tempting.

Actually, I HAVE been tempted to buy non-working crap guns and then sell them back at one of the NY gun buyback programs.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2024 10:05 PM (d9fT1)

366 Nood.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 09, 2024 10:05 PM (v6JzV)

367 Hey Weasel! Katana is beyond awesome. It's great that you took the time and $ to restore it. Still difficult to believe that they're made by hand even after watching videos of the process.

Posted by: Oooohm at June 09, 2024 10:38 PM (C7Yya)

368 Then I put them back together. No extra parts!
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 09, 2024 08:34 PM (SYlCh)

A very cruel prank would be to take a couple of small springs over to a gun person's home and drop them in the carpet. Then, later pick one up and ask, "What's this?"

Posted by: GWB at June 09, 2024 11:49 PM (AWrpC)

369 Great sword pictures! They remind me of this Hattori Hanzo I picked on clearance at this pawn shop in El Paso…

Posted by: Advo at June 09, 2024 11:53 PM (jO4mz)

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