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THE MORNING RANT: The Toll Road Rebellion Scores a Major Victory in Alabama
For the first time in 51 years, a toll will be removed from an Alabama road or bridge after Gov. Kay Ivey and a group of South Alabama officials gathered Wednesday to officially sign the paperwork transferring the Foley Beach Express Bridge to state ownership. The state purchased the bridge from the Baldwin County Bridge Company (BCBC) for approximately $60 million, ending a nearly quarter century private ownership of the structure that included tolling.Please don’t think that my preference for state ownership of roads over a private company makes me a fan of high-taxes and big government. I most certainly am not. But with this action, the state of Alabama is relieving the citizenry of a de facto tax that was being steered to a government-favored private entity which had no competition. There is nothing “free enterprise” about the state awarding a multi-decade contract to a company that gains monopoly control of an essential utility. Despite the anarchistic dreams of some libertarians, a tax-free municipal government is not possible. We pay our taxes, which should be kept low, and then there are certain expectations from us on how the tax money is spent. While we do not want our taxes being used to provide pensions for 48-year-old municipal retirees, we have every reason to expect our taxes to provide certain infrastructure and services, including roads, bridges, and policing, among other functions. Responsible conservatism can be opposed to wasteful transfer payments while still supporting taxpayer-funded roads and policing. The typical American driver detests toll roads much like they detested the 55-mph speed limit. The repeal of the reviled 55-mph speed limit was perhaps the most celebrated change that came of the Republicans’ Gingrich-era capture of the House of Representatives. The elimination of a hated toll by Gov. Ivey has a similar emotional impact on normal Americans.
Matt Ericksen, the Southwest region engineer for the Alabama Department of Transportation, said that the bridge company has a few weeks to remove its equipment before the state begins demolition work on June 16.The demolition of that toll booth will be as beautiful a sight as seeing 55-mph signs give way to 70-mph signs back in the 1990s. Contrary to real-world Americans, the Democrat and Republican establishment both love toll roads in their own ways. Democrats love state-owned toll roads, which serve as a source of tax revenue and create make-work jobs for toll collectors and toll agency administrators. Establishment Republicans love privatized toll roads because a corporation rather than the government is collecting the tolls. The fact that the corporation has no competition over its 50-year lease does not seem to matter. If a new highway is built, and it is tolled until the construction bonds are paid for, that would even be acceptable to many toll-haters. But tolling in perpetuity is rightfully seen as a fleecing of drivers in perpetuity. Above all else, the open road represents freedom to so many Americans. Impediments to driving freedom are despised, be they speed-traps, the banning of gasoline-powered cars, or toll booths. Bravo to Governor Ivey for grasping the populist conservatism that detests toll roads, and for making the Alabama beaches a toll-free destination. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
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Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:00 AM (v6JzV)
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Hola
Posted by: Thanatopsis at June 07, 2024 11:01 AM (8RNuU)
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Yess!!! I'll cull the otters.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:01 AM (v6JzV)
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"If we don't get no tolls, we don't eat no rolls." - Kathy Hochul and Little John
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 07, 2024 11:01 AM (KbCG3)
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Good. Now do the Dulles Toll Road.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:02 AM (v6JzV)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)
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Willowed: f it's Delta House, then I'm the guy whose only line is "Whatta ya expect us do, ya more-on?"
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2024
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Didn't somebody (maybe "Moriarty," Gavin McLeod?) say that or something like it in Kelly's Heroes?
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2024
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Didn't somebody (maybe "Moriarty," Gavin McLeod?) say that or something like it in Kelly's Heroes?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 07, 2024 11:03 AM (J2vNu)
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The $15 toll was going to save the climate, of course, and coincidentally raise revenue for the state government.
Because, after all, THAT is the ultimate goal.
Why is it, every solution to the 'climate crisis' is growing government and abusive taxation?
Because, after all, THAT is the ultimate goal.
Why is it, every solution to the 'climate crisis' is growing government and abusive taxation?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:04 AM (1Yy3c)
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I don't hate toll roads.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:04 AM (GBKbO)
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a new highway is built, and it is tolled until the construction bonds are paid for, that would even be acceptable to many toll-haters. But tolling in perpetuity is rightfully seen as a fleecing of drivers in perpetuity.
[buck.throckmorton
That's sacrilegious!
~Golden Gate Bridge
[buck.throckmorton
That's sacrilegious!
~Golden Gate Bridge
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:04 AM (MaIsZ)
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Toll roads... the reason there are no flying cars.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 07, 2024 11:04 AM (Q4IgG)
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Most of the money made from all the new toll roads in Texas do not go to Texas.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (MaIsZ)
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Ask not for whom the road tolls.
Posted by: spindrift at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (OguvZ)
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Does Alabama have those cursed beach tags? New Jersey luvs them.
Does Alabama have those cursed beach tags? New Jersey luvs them.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (RKVpM)
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I don't hate Tollhouse.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (MaIsZ)
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Toll roads... the reason there are no flying cars.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 07, 2024 11:04 AM (Q4IgG)
Think of the average driver. Now think of the average driver... in the sky. Would you like to rethink your statement?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 07, 2024 11:04 AM (Q4IgG)
Think of the average driver. Now think of the average driver... in the sky. Would you like to rethink your statement?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (IUd0M)
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Boulder built a toll road a few years back. IIRC, they gave the contract to an Australian company, who paid all costs for building it in exchange for all the toll revenue for the first 20 or 25 years of operation.
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Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:07 AM (cCVOS)
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14 I don't hate toll roads.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Roads, Public Utilities, and Defense.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (MaIsZ)
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I'm not saying that all roads should be toll roads. I agree that roads for the post are appropriate uses of state funds.
I just don't object to private entities building their own roads and maintaining control of who and how people get on.
Usually, toll roads are nicer, better maintained, and more direct. Sometimes, I'm willing to pay that premium.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Roads, Public Utilities, and Defense.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (MaIsZ)
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I'm not saying that all roads should be toll roads. I agree that roads for the post are appropriate uses of state funds.
I just don't object to private entities building their own roads and maintaining control of who and how people get on.
Usually, toll roads are nicer, better maintained, and more direct. Sometimes, I'm willing to pay that premium.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:07 AM (GBKbO)
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Corporatist Republicans would rather a private company collect tolls than have the government provide un-tolled highway freedom to its citizens.
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Which I'm fine with on paper. The reality of it, though, has two significant problems.
First, the land used for those roads is either seized with public power (eminent domain) or transferred from a government (take over an existing road). It isn't really private enterprise in that respect, it's just outsourcing at high cost. This could be mitigated to some degree through actual cost sales at estimated market prices for the land involved, but that's not how it actually happens.
Second, the companies get special protections. On the private "Northwest Parkway" toll highway in Colorado, all of the normal rules apply despite it *not* being a public thoroughfare. Additionally, the state will go after your license if you jump the toll. If you decline to pay, the state will impose criminal penalties for what are in fact civil violations. The Parkway owners don't have to sue you for breach of contract or report you for theft of service and get in line.
Special rules and favors, not private ownership, is the problem.
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Which I'm fine with on paper. The reality of it, though, has two significant problems.
First, the land used for those roads is either seized with public power (eminent domain) or transferred from a government (take over an existing road). It isn't really private enterprise in that respect, it's just outsourcing at high cost. This could be mitigated to some degree through actual cost sales at estimated market prices for the land involved, but that's not how it actually happens.
Second, the companies get special protections. On the private "Northwest Parkway" toll highway in Colorado, all of the normal rules apply despite it *not* being a public thoroughfare. Additionally, the state will go after your license if you jump the toll. If you decline to pay, the state will impose criminal penalties for what are in fact civil violations. The Parkway owners don't have to sue you for breach of contract or report you for theft of service and get in line.
Special rules and favors, not private ownership, is the problem.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 07, 2024 11:08 AM (d04cU)
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On another day with your fart caught in the opposite crosswise position, you'll argue that the back country folk of north Alabama should not be taxed to underwrite beach traffic for the benefit of the resort chamber of commerce.
There is not a hemmorhoidal skin tag that you people won't try to blame on libertarians. It's eating your brains clean out.
There is not a hemmorhoidal skin tag that you people won't try to blame on libertarians. It's eating your brains clean out.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 07, 2024 11:08 AM (zdLoL)
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Most of the money made from all the new toll roads in Texas do not go to Texas.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
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Where does it go?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
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Where does it go?
Posted by: redridinghood at June 07, 2024 11:08 AM (lEGrV)
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Contrary to real-world Americans, the Democrat and Republican establishment both love toll roads in their own ways. Democrats love state-owned toll roads, which serve as a source of tax revenue and create make-work jobs for toll collectors and toll agency administrators. Establishment Republicans love privatized toll roads because a corporation rather than the government is collecting the tolls. The fact that the corporation has no competition over its 50-year lease does not seem to matter.
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And both provide kickbacks.
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And both provide kickbacks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 07, 2024 11:09 AM (d04cU)
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Licensing fees are supposed to go to road and bridge maintenance and construction.
Tolls are supposed to go to road and bridge maintenance and construction.
Roads in most states, overall, are horseshit, the bridges don't pass inspection (Minnesota collapse) and we're paying more and more every year.
Tolls are supposed to go to road and bridge maintenance and construction.
Roads in most states, overall, are horseshit, the bridges don't pass inspection (Minnesota collapse) and we're paying more and more every year.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)
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These roads are in-toll-erable!!
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:09 AM (cCVOS)
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The typical American driver detests toll roads much like they detested the 55-mph speed limit.
Not all toll roads.
I much prefer the 41 mile, 85 moh toll road around Austin vs. IH-35 right thru the middle of Austin.
And I prefer the Dallas North Toll Road, the Goerge Bush & Sam Rayburn Toll Roads vs. US 75 or IH-35 in Dallas.
Not all toll roads.
I much prefer the 41 mile, 85 moh toll road around Austin vs. IH-35 right thru the middle of Austin.
And I prefer the Dallas North Toll Road, the Goerge Bush & Sam Rayburn Toll Roads vs. US 75 or IH-35 in Dallas.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:09 AM (n/S9s)
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Meanwhile, down south, if you’ve ever driven to the Alabama beaches, there’s a good chance you’ve paid a toll at the Foley Beach Express Bridge as you left the mainland and entered Orange Beach. You will not have to pay that toll again. Something remarkable just happened – the state of Alabama has purchased the bridge from the private company that owned the bridge, and all toll collections have been terminated. The highway is free and open now.
I am having a bit of an epistemological crisis right now.
I am having a bit of an epistemological crisis right now.
Posted by: Taranto at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (ogTiX)
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Where does it go?
Posted by: redridinghood at June 07, 2024 11:08 AM (lEGrV)
One is the Spanish corporation that contracted the construction of the toll roads.
That's "supposed" to end once they collect the contracted cost for construction, but we'll see.
Where does it go?
Posted by: redridinghood at June 07, 2024 11:08 AM (lEGrV)
One is the Spanish corporation that contracted the construction of the toll roads.
That's "supposed" to end once they collect the contracted cost for construction, but we'll see.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (L/fGl)
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There's a toll road connecting Orlando to Port Canaveral (well, it goes a good way across central Florida) that's actually quite nice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (GBKbO)
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I H8 taking the Pa Turnpike
Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (f8A04)
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Most of the money made from all the new toll roads in Texas do not go to Texas.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
Honestly, provided that some high percentage... say 90% of the income goes toward the maintenance/upkeep of the road, I don't care. Better that than other use taxes (gasoline comes to mind) which go into the general revenue fund to be spent on whatever or are collected out of proportion to the usage of the service.
If I drive 100 miles on a toll road and an EV drives the same 100 miles, we both pay the same amount towards its upkeep.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
Honestly, provided that some high percentage... say 90% of the income goes toward the maintenance/upkeep of the road, I don't care. Better that than other use taxes (gasoline comes to mind) which go into the general revenue fund to be spent on whatever or are collected out of proportion to the usage of the service.
If I drive 100 miles on a toll road and an EV drives the same 100 miles, we both pay the same amount towards its upkeep.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (IUd0M)
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>>Tolls are supposed to go to road and bridge maintenance and construction.
Roads in most states, overall, are horseshit, the bridges don't pass inspection (Minnesota collapse) and we're paying more and more every year.
And yet, federal and state governments levy gas taxes to help pay for road infrastructure projects. SO when they use toll revenue to pay for this, what is the gas tax revenue spent on?
Roads in most states, overall, are horseshit, the bridges don't pass inspection (Minnesota collapse) and we're paying more and more every year.
And yet, federal and state governments levy gas taxes to help pay for road infrastructure projects. SO when they use toll revenue to pay for this, what is the gas tax revenue spent on?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (cCVOS)
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"Despite the anarchistic dreams of some libertarians, a tax-free municipal government is not possible."
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"Responsible conservatism can be opposed to wasteful transfer payments while still supporting taxpayer-funded roads and policing."
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You declare the former to be impossible, and then... what, assume the "responsible conservatism" fairy is going to grant you the latter?
That's some mighty powerful fantasizing you're doing there.
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"Responsible conservatism can be opposed to wasteful transfer payments while still supporting taxpayer-funded roads and policing."
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You declare the former to be impossible, and then... what, assume the "responsible conservatism" fairy is going to grant you the latter?
That's some mighty powerful fantasizing you're doing there.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:11 AM (LoNNw)
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I don't hate toll roads.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Roads, Public Utilities, and Defense.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
Name three things the government can fuck up worse than a wet dream.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Roads, Public Utilities, and Defense.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
Name three things the government can fuck up worse than a wet dream.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:11 AM (n/S9s)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:12 AM (L/fGl)
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Houston has a lot of toll roads.
But
1) the toll is low
2) there are plenty of alternatives if you don't want to take it
So, except for rush hour, they work. If you want to save time, take the toll. If not, it'll be a little longer.
And it's all EZ tag. You zip on through, they either mail you the fee or charge your account.
But
1) the toll is low
2) there are plenty of alternatives if you don't want to take it
So, except for rush hour, they work. If you want to save time, take the toll. If not, it'll be a little longer.
And it's all EZ tag. You zip on through, they either mail you the fee or charge your account.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 07, 2024 11:12 AM (j1OcM)
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Not all toll roads.
I much prefer the 41 mile, 85 moh toll road around Austin vs. IH-35 right thru the middle of Austin.
I would like that route, would they've made it 3 lanes instead of just two, then mandated no semi traffic in the left lane.
But no.....18 Wheelers governed at 68 MPH jump out to pass another 18 wheeler governed at 68 MPH because "I can't follow this slow truck....."
I much prefer the 41 mile, 85 moh toll road around Austin vs. IH-35 right thru the middle of Austin.
I would like that route, would they've made it 3 lanes instead of just two, then mandated no semi traffic in the left lane.
But no.....18 Wheelers governed at 68 MPH jump out to pass another 18 wheeler governed at 68 MPH because "I can't follow this slow truck....."
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
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And yet, federal and state governments levy gas taxes to help pay for road infrastructure projects. SO when they use toll revenue to pay for this, what is the gas tax revenue spent on?
Posted by: Lizzy
EBT & SNAP payments.
Posted by: Lizzy
EBT & SNAP payments.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:12 AM (n/S9s)
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32 I H8 taking the Pa Turnpike
Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (f8A04)
It's the worst, but Pennsylvania highways are bad in general.
Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (f8A04)
It's the worst, but Pennsylvania highways are bad in general.
Posted by: Taranto at June 07, 2024 11:13 AM (ogTiX)
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I am skeptical of any polling etc that claims "abortion" is killing the Republican movement.
Why? Because polling is always narrative driving bullshit. We know that. Why wouldn't they try and weaken pro-life support through polling? Especially given we already know they are stealing and manufacturing votes.
I want polling from pro life groups to confirm this stuff. Then we can talk about what to do about it. But not Quinnipiac, Morning Consult, CBS and Fox.
Why? Because polling is always narrative driving bullshit. We know that. Why wouldn't they try and weaken pro-life support through polling? Especially given we already know they are stealing and manufacturing votes.
I want polling from pro life groups to confirm this stuff. Then we can talk about what to do about it. But not Quinnipiac, Morning Consult, CBS and Fox.
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:13 AM (+yplR)
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Here in Houston Tx, they sold us on the idea that the Beltway 8 toll road, formerly known as the west belt, would be free after the bonds to build the road were paid off. Then the lying bastards changed the game after the road was almost paid off and said they would use the tolls for maintenance and for constructing new roads. Plus they have raised the price for the tolls.
Hanging lying politicians by their scrotums is a great idea and the threat of same may cause them to not lie as much. For the wimminzes, perhaps the pear of anguish should be the price for lying to the citizens.
Hanging lying politicians by their scrotums is a great idea and the threat of same may cause them to not lie as much. For the wimminzes, perhaps the pear of anguish should be the price for lying to the citizens.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 07, 2024 11:13 AM (JNTt1)
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I'm not the brightest sock in the drawer, but I think the federal government should 1) provide a framework of laws and 2) deal with foreign governments (both ambassadors and wars in which the US has an actual stake). And that should be all. Maybe the Postal Service too.
Roads I think should be more the responsibility of the individual states but as mentioned I'm kinda dumb.
Roads I think should be more the responsibility of the individual states but as mentioned I'm kinda dumb.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 07, 2024 11:13 AM (4X2LN)
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It was kickbacks all the way down I bet.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at June 07, 2024 11:13 AM (Z8Yh2)
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I H8 taking the Pa Turnpike
Posted by: Skip
Yeah, the first one in the country. It's got some interesting scenery, but you do feel on some stretches like you're taking your life in your hands.
Posted by: Skip
Yeah, the first one in the country. It's got some interesting scenery, but you do feel on some stretches like you're taking your life in your hands.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (v6JzV)
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But no.....18 Wheelers governed at 68 MPH jump out to pass another 18 wheeler governed at 68 MPH because "I can't follow this slow truck....."
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
Hmm..sounds like I-81N, in Va.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
Hmm..sounds like I-81N, in Va.
Posted by: BignJames at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (AwYPR)
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what is the gas tax revenue spent on?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (cCVOS)
Gay cowboy poets gotta eat too, you know.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (cCVOS)
Gay cowboy poets gotta eat too, you know.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (IUd0M)
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The thing I like about the toll road around Denver is that you never have to stop at a booth (I reckon that might be pretty common now elsewhere). Going to DIA via e-470 is a breeze, and the toll comes in the mail about a month later, and I usually pay 10 bucks, maybe 12. Sure as hell beats the congested interstates.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, with a drawer full of pieces of flair at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (xPJvm)
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There is not a hemmorhoidal skin tag that you people won't try to blame on libertarians. It's eating your brains clean out.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 07, 2024 11:08 AM (zdLoL)
You are hysterically ignorant of what most people around here think of libertarians. They are usually a punchline. They have not been a serious political philosophy in many years.
And maybe tone down the vitriol a bit.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at June 07, 2024 11:08 AM (zdLoL)
You are hysterically ignorant of what most people around here think of libertarians. They are usually a punchline. They have not been a serious political philosophy in many years.
And maybe tone down the vitriol a bit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (d9fT1)
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Back when I was in high school, either I-20 or I-30 between Dallas and Ft. Worth used to be a toll road. It eventually got paid for and the tolls removed. AFAIK, that's the only toll road where that was promised and actually delivered.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (/y8xj)
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If a new highway is built, and it is tolled until the construction bonds are paid for, that would even be acceptable to many toll-haters. But tolling in perpetuity is rightfully seen as a fleecing of drivers in perpetuity.
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It's almost always a bait-and-switch. Two contrasting examples from my old home of Colorado.
First is US-36, also called the "Denver-Boulder Turnpike" or the "Boulder Turnpike." It was a turnpike. Emphasis on "was." The bonds to build it were paid off - early, I might add - and the tolls were removed in the 1960s. This is how it is *supposed* to work (they expanded it in the teens and added tolled *lanes* that are technically private, making a weird hybrid that many areas are increasingly fond of).
The counter-example is E-470. E-470 was never supposed to happen. The outer ring road was *supposed* to be I-470, but environmentalists blocked it. It's (mostly) been built, but as a hodge-podge of compromises. C-470 is the untolled traditional highway. C-DOT extended it with E-470 to connect it to the airport. It was bond-financed and tolled until the bond was repaid. The year the bonds rolled off, they doubled (IIRC) the tolls.
Typical bait-and-switch.
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It's almost always a bait-and-switch. Two contrasting examples from my old home of Colorado.
First is US-36, also called the "Denver-Boulder Turnpike" or the "Boulder Turnpike." It was a turnpike. Emphasis on "was." The bonds to build it were paid off - early, I might add - and the tolls were removed in the 1960s. This is how it is *supposed* to work (they expanded it in the teens and added tolled *lanes* that are technically private, making a weird hybrid that many areas are increasingly fond of).
The counter-example is E-470. E-470 was never supposed to happen. The outer ring road was *supposed* to be I-470, but environmentalists blocked it. It's (mostly) been built, but as a hodge-podge of compromises. C-470 is the untolled traditional highway. C-DOT extended it with E-470 to connect it to the airport. It was bond-financed and tolled until the bond was repaid. The year the bonds rolled off, they doubled (IIRC) the tolls.
Typical bait-and-switch.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (d04cU)
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If a new highway is built, and it is tolled until the construction bonds are paid for, that would even be acceptable to many toll-haters. But tolling in perpetuity is rightfully seen as a fleecing of drivers in perpetuity.
Example: Pennsylvania Turnpike
Back in mid 20th century, PA floated bonds and built a turnpike in 3 (or 4) segments. When the bonds were paid off, they decided to float more bonds because the road had aged and needed upgrading.
Then, they decided to start to divert the money to mass transit in Philadelphia and Pittsburg.
Example: Pennsylvania Turnpike
Back in mid 20th century, PA floated bonds and built a turnpike in 3 (or 4) segments. When the bonds were paid off, they decided to float more bonds because the road had aged and needed upgrading.
Then, they decided to start to divert the money to mass transit in Philadelphia and Pittsburg.
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:15 AM (RHGPo)
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I'll need to think on this for a bit. In NoVa, we have both public roads (the beltway), and parallel, private toll roads built with private capital. The toll roads soak up some of the traffic, making for better driving for both the public and private road drivers.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 11:15 AM (xCA6C)
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Back when I was in high school, either I-20 or I-30 between Dallas and Ft. Worth used to be a toll road. It eventually got paid for and the tolls removed. AFAIK, that's the only toll road where that was promised and actually delivered.
Posted by: Oddbob
I-30
Posted by: Oddbob
I-30
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:15 AM (n/S9s)
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Pulled in:
Never named a name, though, while defending Michael Jackson from his accusers.
Suspicious.
I mean...the whole pedophile angle on Hollywood tracks pretty easily. A century of evidence suggests it's wholly, completely, and undoubtedly true, but Feldman doesn't seem like a guy interested in doing much of anything other than drawing attention to himself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 10:58 AM (GBKbO)
He did name names, and not just Charlie Sheen. There were three other people, one of whom is dead, another who I think sued him (and later dropped the suit), and other other who has never commented publicly.
Feldman says he made a promise to his friend, and that he's fulfilled his promise. He says he doesn't know what else he can do, since powerful forces are arrayed against him.
He also said Jackson never did anything other than be his friend, and that he doesn't believe the accusations.
If I'm going to "go after" anyone in Hollywood/celeb culture, it's not Corey Feldman. I regard anyone who does as suspicious.
Never named a name, though, while defending Michael Jackson from his accusers.
Suspicious.
I mean...the whole pedophile angle on Hollywood tracks pretty easily. A century of evidence suggests it's wholly, completely, and undoubtedly true, but Feldman doesn't seem like a guy interested in doing much of anything other than drawing attention to himself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 10:58 AM (GBKbO)
He did name names, and not just Charlie Sheen. There were three other people, one of whom is dead, another who I think sued him (and later dropped the suit), and other other who has never commented publicly.
Feldman says he made a promise to his friend, and that he's fulfilled his promise. He says he doesn't know what else he can do, since powerful forces are arrayed against him.
He also said Jackson never did anything other than be his friend, and that he doesn't believe the accusations.
If I'm going to "go after" anyone in Hollywood/celeb culture, it's not Corey Feldman. I regard anyone who does as suspicious.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:16 AM (LoNNw)
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What ever happened to playing with the pain?
Kansas City Chiefs Postpone Practice After Defensive Lineman BJ Thompson Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Kansas City Chiefs Postpone Practice After Defensive Lineman BJ Thompson Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:16 AM (L/fGl)
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New York Governor Hochul has just backed away from a punitive hike in tolls that would have to be paid to drive into Manhattan.
A guy leading a movement to not expand any freeways in the Portland area, and rip out all the existing freeways, has the sadz:
hard to overstate what a setback the nyc congestion pricing news is, for the entire damn country. would have been such a game changer to let americans see a clear example of how much better cities are with fewer cars.
motordom's got a helluva political grip on american politics
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If it holds, Kathy Hochul’s decision to freeze congestion pricing in NYC is a generational setback for climate policy — worse than the Mountain Valley pipeline, worse than Alaska’s Willow project — that will have lacerating national implications.
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glad to see folks like robinson flag this for the utter nightmare it is.
climate failure, clean air failure, economic justice failure, safer streets failure, livable cities failure.
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the perfect bookend to the discussion about the death of congestion pricing, honestly.
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what right do people have to use automobiles through dense communities?
A guy leading a movement to not expand any freeways in the Portland area, and rip out all the existing freeways, has the sadz:
hard to overstate what a setback the nyc congestion pricing news is, for the entire damn country. would have been such a game changer to let americans see a clear example of how much better cities are with fewer cars.
motordom's got a helluva political grip on american politics
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If it holds, Kathy Hochul’s decision to freeze congestion pricing in NYC is a generational setback for climate policy — worse than the Mountain Valley pipeline, worse than Alaska’s Willow project — that will have lacerating national implications.
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glad to see folks like robinson flag this for the utter nightmare it is.
climate failure, clean air failure, economic justice failure, safer streets failure, livable cities failure.
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the perfect bookend to the discussion about the death of congestion pricing, honestly.
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what right do people have to use automobiles through dense communities?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 07, 2024 11:16 AM (uxCna)
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>>Joy Reid Dubs Missouri A "Slave State" For Protecting Unborn Life
I can't even decipher the logic of this - I assume it's just another way to insert slavery into a topic to gin up hate?
Her mother is from Guyana, and IIRC, that's where slaves were shipped out from. I would love to see her family's history given her obsession with stirring up racial hate over America's past slavery.
I can't even decipher the logic of this - I assume it's just another way to insert slavery into a topic to gin up hate?
Her mother is from Guyana, and IIRC, that's where slaves were shipped out from. I would love to see her family's history given her obsession with stirring up racial hate over America's past slavery.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:16 AM (cCVOS)
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I was on I-65 in KY a couple weeks ago and passed an 18-wheeler that was doing at least 80.
Why, yes... yes I do have a lead foot.
I still get passed.
Why, yes... yes I do have a lead foot.
I still get passed.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (Q4IgG)
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Yeah, the first one in the country. It's got some interesting scenery, but you do feel on some stretches like you're taking your life in your hands.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (v6JzV)
Don't forget the Magic of Breezewood!
(We always take I-68 now when going back and forth between NoVA and Ohio.)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (v6JzV)
Don't forget the Magic of Breezewood!
(We always take I-68 now when going back and forth between NoVA and Ohio.)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (T+Iwg)
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Roads in most states, overall, are horseshit, the bridges don't pass inspection (Minnesota collapse) and we're paying more and more every year.
Posted by: Sponge
In my experience, but I haven't been in the state for probably over 30 years, Texas had great roads.
Posted by: Sponge
In my experience, but I haven't been in the state for probably over 30 years, Texas had great roads.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (v6JzV)
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And maybe tone down the vitriol a bit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (d9fT1)
Weed isn't supposed to make you angry.
And maybe tone down the vitriol a bit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (d9fT1)
Weed isn't supposed to make you angry.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)
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Joy Reid Dubs Missouri A "Slave State" For Protecting Unborn Life
I can't even decipher the logic of this
I think you're giving her more credit than she's due. Logic doesn't enter into anything she says.
I can't even decipher the logic of this
I think you're giving her more credit than she's due. Logic doesn't enter into anything she says.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (xCA6C)
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The thing I like about the toll road around Denver is that you never have to stop at a booth (I reckon that might be pretty common now elsewhere). Going to DIA via e-470 is a breeze, and the toll comes in the mail about a month later, and I usually pay 10 bucks, maybe 12. Sure as hell beats the congested interstates.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, with a drawer full of pieces of flair at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (xPJvm)
Toll booths require employees. Employees minimize profits.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, with a drawer full of pieces of flair at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (xPJvm)
Toll booths require employees. Employees minimize profits.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (IUd0M)
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60 I can't even decipher the logic of this - I assume it's just another way to insert slavery into a topic to gin up hate?
Her mother is from Guyana, and IIRC, that's where slaves were shipped out from. I would love to see her family's history given her obsession with stirring up racial hate over America's past slavery.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:16 AM (cCVOS)
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Women who can't abort their babies are slaves to the patriarchy who won't let them have autonomy over their own bodies. They become slaves to a baby as well because they are not allowed to disassociate from that connection willingly anymore.
It's stupid, but that's the logic.
Her mother is from Guyana, and IIRC, that's where slaves were shipped out from. I would love to see her family's history given her obsession with stirring up racial hate over America's past slavery.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:16 AM (cCVOS)
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Women who can't abort their babies are slaves to the patriarchy who won't let them have autonomy over their own bodies. They become slaves to a baby as well because they are not allowed to disassociate from that connection willingly anymore.
It's stupid, but that's the logic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
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Does anyone else remember the tolls on I-95 in Connecticut back in the 60s? It felt like a toll every 10 miles. They finally took them out because there were so many accidents.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM (w6EFb)
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They are usually a punchline.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (d9fT1)
Not unlike maple syrup.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM (d9fT1)
Not unlike maple syrup.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM (IUd0M)
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But no.....18 Wheelers governed at 68 MPH jump out to pass another 18 wheeler governed at 68 MPH because "I can't follow this slow truck....."
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
My truck is governed at 75.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
My truck is governed at 75.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (1Yy3c)
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If you don't pay the toll, it's going to take a toll on our spending.
Posted by: Big Gov at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (FjlUt)
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In my experience, but I haven't been in the state for probably over 30 years, Texas had great roads.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (v6JzV)
They're doing a lot of construction on I-35, 75 and I-45 because they've been crap for a while. Plus widening.
New construction, of course, is good, depending on how they did it. The George Bush Toll Road was completed early because they switched to blacktop. Add in some hot Texas summers and the blacktop can fail faster than concrete would. Heavy vehicle traffic creates potholes.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (v6JzV)
They're doing a lot of construction on I-35, 75 and I-45 because they've been crap for a while. Plus widening.
New construction, of course, is good, depending on how they did it. The George Bush Toll Road was completed early because they switched to blacktop. Add in some hot Texas summers and the blacktop can fail faster than concrete would. Heavy vehicle traffic creates potholes.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)
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I did 2,700 miles Memorial day week. I'll say this: The rest stops were mostly new and clean, only a couple looked like The Scene of the Crime. Also, half the people at those stops were South Asian of some variety. ymmv
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at June 07, 2024 11:20 AM (pIfcn)
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My truck is governed at 75.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (1Yy3c)
A LOT of the private owned rigs blow by me doing 80+ where they can.
My truck is governed at 75.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (1Yy3c)
A LOT of the private owned rigs blow by me doing 80+ where they can.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)
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UNRWA IS HAMAS: IDF Hits UNRWA School Housing ’30-40′ Terrorists.
https://instapundit.com/651941/
https://instapundit.com/651941/
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:20 AM (1Yy3c)
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What ever happened to playing with the pain?
Kansas City Chiefs Postpone Practice After Defensive Lineman BJ Thompson Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Artificial turf has ruined the game. There's no dirt left to rub on it.
Kansas City Chiefs Postpone Practice After Defensive Lineman BJ Thompson Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Artificial turf has ruined the game. There's no dirt left to rub on it.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:20 AM (n/S9s)
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Yeah, the first one in the country. It's got some interesting scenery, but you do feel on some stretches like you're taking your life in your hands.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM
I remember one trip across the state on the PA Turnpike through a section known as 'the icebox' of the state. Every five miles or so a huge mountain of salt off to the side of the road. Every minute you'd have to turn on your wipers and blast the salt spray off the windshield. Cleaned out my reservoir of washer fluid. But the roads were free of ice. Barely.
Yeah, the first one in the country. It's got some interesting scenery, but you do feel on some stretches like you're taking your life in your hands.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:14 AM
I remember one trip across the state on the PA Turnpike through a section known as 'the icebox' of the state. Every five miles or so a huge mountain of salt off to the side of the road. Every minute you'd have to turn on your wipers and blast the salt spray off the windshield. Cleaned out my reservoir of washer fluid. But the roads were free of ice. Barely.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 07, 2024 11:20 AM (RKVpM)
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Don't forget the Magic of Breezewood!
(We always take I-68 now when going back and forth between NoVA and Ohio.)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
The first time I encountered Breezewood, I was like "WTF?" The interstate just disappeared into what is essentially a giant truck stop.
But now I find it sort of endearing, in a roadside-America kitschy kind of way.
(We always take I-68 now when going back and forth between NoVA and Ohio.)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
The first time I encountered Breezewood, I was like "WTF?" The interstate just disappeared into what is essentially a giant truck stop.
But now I find it sort of endearing, in a roadside-America kitschy kind of way.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:20 AM (v6JzV)
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The absolute worst is the modern trend to contract out speed and stop light persecutions to the "red light" camera companies. Totally corrupt, totally unconstitutional, totally another punitive tax on comparatively law-abiding citizens.
I say "comparatively" because while speeding or blowing a red light is technically a crime, it's obscene that cities are buring minor scofflaws under millions in fines and bullshit, while looking the other way on much more serious offenses. Even if we are talking traffic offenses, the unregulated, unlicensed lunatics on e-bikes and motorcycles are much worse.
I say "comparatively" because while speeding or blowing a red light is technically a crime, it's obscene that cities are buring minor scofflaws under millions in fines and bullshit, while looking the other way on much more serious offenses. Even if we are talking traffic offenses, the unregulated, unlicensed lunatics on e-bikes and motorcycles are much worse.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 07, 2024 11:21 AM (iFTx/)
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Maintaining a bridge is not cheap, removing the toll and obfuscating the cost by paying for it out of the general budget doesn't make it free either. It does force people who never use the bridge to subsidize other peoples driving habits.
Posted by: Sjg at June 07, 2024 11:21 AM (aqZN1)
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>>> 30 Hate is hate.
SPLC Expands "Hate Watch" to Doctors Who Oppose Child Sex Changes
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (L/fGl)
Bless their hearts.
The SPLC has been added to my list of pedos and pedo enablers.
SPLC Expands "Hate Watch" to Doctors Who Oppose Child Sex Changes
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (L/fGl)
Bless their hearts.
The SPLC has been added to my list of pedos and pedo enablers.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 07, 2024 11:21 AM (llON8)
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Name three things the government can fuck up worse than a wet dream.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:11 AM (n/S9s)
But we can't allow private enterprise to do them because... well, wait, I'll think of a reason.
Get back to me later.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:11 AM (n/S9s)
But we can't allow private enterprise to do them because... well, wait, I'll think of a reason.
Get back to me later.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:21 AM (J4epV)
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I can't even decipher the logic of this - I assume it's just another way to insert slavery into a topic to gin up hate?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:16 AM (cCVOS)
Scripted bs.
This is simple-minded conflation to occupy the moral high ground on an issue where they live in the lowest space imaginable.
I can't even decipher the logic of this - I assume it's just another way to insert slavery into a topic to gin up hate?
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:16 AM (cCVOS)
Scripted bs.
This is simple-minded conflation to occupy the moral high ground on an issue where they live in the lowest space imaginable.
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:22 AM (+yplR)
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17 We have public and private beaches. You don’t have tags, but if you want decent parking, you do have to pay for that and just put your receipt on your dash board. There is some free parking.
You can’t drive on the beach without a permit and you have to know which ones allow it. Same with flying drones. They do enforce the no loud music, which is nice. You should know our flag rules, though it’s posted everywhere, because it can get dicey out there quickly! And the sharks. 🦈
Our beaches are really nice, white sand, emerald and blue water. Plus the FL beaches are also right here. It’s a great place. Wait. No it isn’t. We have gators and sharks and bugs the size of horses.
You can’t drive on the beach without a permit and you have to know which ones allow it. Same with flying drones. They do enforce the no loud music, which is nice. You should know our flag rules, though it’s posted everywhere, because it can get dicey out there quickly! And the sharks. 🦈
Our beaches are really nice, white sand, emerald and blue water. Plus the FL beaches are also right here. It’s a great place. Wait. No it isn’t. We have gators and sharks and bugs the size of horses.
Posted by: Piper at June 07, 2024 11:22 AM (p4NUW)
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My truck is governed at 75.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (1Yy3c)
A LOT of the private owned rigs blow by me doing 80+ where they can.
Posted by: Sponge
My 2007 Ford Ranger is 96mph.
At 96, you can magically feel the ass end set fown about an inch and the truck won't go any faster no matter what.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (1Yy3c)
A LOT of the private owned rigs blow by me doing 80+ where they can.
Posted by: Sponge
My 2007 Ford Ranger is 96mph.
At 96, you can magically feel the ass end set fown about an inch and the truck won't go any faster no matter what.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:22 AM (n/S9s)
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>>Women who can't abort their babies are slaves to the patriarchy who won't let them have autonomy over their own bodies.
Wait -- stop right there!!
They had autonomy over their bodies* when they had unprotected sex. I am so very tired of abortion advocates rushing past this part of it.
*Yeah, yeah, some are rape/incest, but that's not much
Wait -- stop right there!!
They had autonomy over their bodies* when they had unprotected sex. I am so very tired of abortion advocates rushing past this part of it.
*Yeah, yeah, some are rape/incest, but that's not much
Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2024 11:22 AM (cCVOS)
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The Oregon Department of Transportation, in its ravenous search for revenue, proposed tolling all the existing freeways in the Portland area.
They tried to hide how much the planned tolls were, but it was going to cost about $20 to cross the Portland metro at rush hour.
And of course, since it is Portland, they were seriously considering having racially discriminatory tolls - white people were going to pay more than black people and other preferred minorities.
This proposal was so unpopular that even the hard-Left legislators in Portland, who normally would support any new tax or fee, opposed it.
They tried to hide how much the planned tolls were, but it was going to cost about $20 to cross the Portland metro at rush hour.
And of course, since it is Portland, they were seriously considering having racially discriminatory tolls - white people were going to pay more than black people and other preferred minorities.
This proposal was so unpopular that even the hard-Left legislators in Portland, who normally would support any new tax or fee, opposed it.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 07, 2024 11:23 AM (uxCna)
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Here the state sold the toll road a little different. The State would build the road but only the user would pay for it. Thus the road would be built without an increase in taxes.
The bonus would be that after the cost of building was paid the road would be free to all, current taxes covering the cost of maintenance and repairs.
hahahahahahahah
The bonus would be that after the cost of building was paid the road would be free to all, current taxes covering the cost of maintenance and repairs.
hahahahahahahah
Posted by: Braenyard - at June 07, 2024 11:23 AM (YdEcD)
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... New construction, of course, is good, depending on how they did it. ...
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)
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There are examples of how to do it well. Again speaking to what I know, there is an example from Colorado: the "T-REX" expansion of the Interstate 25 corridor in the late 90s.
They tried something new with T-REX. It wasn't engineered in advanced. The developed a new system which engineered less than one mile at a time, just ahead of construction. They assumed that since the engineering is always wrong anyway (there are things where they shouldn't be, no things where there should be, last-minute shifts in footprint, etc. - real-world problems), they shouldn't bother and just bite it off one very small piece at a time and adapt as they go. You can't change assumptions and cause re-engineering (and delays) for the rest of the plan if there is no rest of the plan. The assumption was that it would be cheaper and faster to just engineer during construction.
It worked. T-REX came in ahead of schedule and under budget. It was never repeated, to my knowledge. Roads are secondary. These are jobs and kickback programs.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (Zz0t1)
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There are examples of how to do it well. Again speaking to what I know, there is an example from Colorado: the "T-REX" expansion of the Interstate 25 corridor in the late 90s.
They tried something new with T-REX. It wasn't engineered in advanced. The developed a new system which engineered less than one mile at a time, just ahead of construction. They assumed that since the engineering is always wrong anyway (there are things where they shouldn't be, no things where there should be, last-minute shifts in footprint, etc. - real-world problems), they shouldn't bother and just bite it off one very small piece at a time and adapt as they go. You can't change assumptions and cause re-engineering (and delays) for the rest of the plan if there is no rest of the plan. The assumption was that it would be cheaper and faster to just engineer during construction.
It worked. T-REX came in ahead of schedule and under budget. It was never repeated, to my knowledge. Roads are secondary. These are jobs and kickback programs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 07, 2024 11:24 AM (d04cU)
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My 2007 Ford Ranger is 96mph.
At 96, you can magically feel the ass end set fown about an inch and the truck won't go any faster no matter what.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:22 AM (n/S9s)
I've gotten my 96 Ranger to 92, downhill with a 20 mph wind at my back.
Little 4 banger just doesn't have much punch. That 92 turns into 70 quickly when an uphill shows up.
My 2007 Ford Ranger is 96mph.
At 96, you can magically feel the ass end set fown about an inch and the truck won't go any faster no matter what.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:22 AM (n/S9s)
I've gotten my 96 Ranger to 92, downhill with a 20 mph wind at my back.
Little 4 banger just doesn't have much punch. That 92 turns into 70 quickly when an uphill shows up.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:24 AM (krQz2)
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88 This proposal was so unpopular that even the hard-Left legislators in Portland, who normally would support any new tax or fee, opposed it.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 07, 2024 11:23 AM (uxCna)
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False.
They opposed it because they are racist.
They must be removed from office and replaced by BIPOC who will make the proposal happen.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 07, 2024 11:23 AM (uxCna)
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False.
They opposed it because they are racist.
They must be removed from office and replaced by BIPOC who will make the proposal happen.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:24 AM (GBKbO)
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Toll booths require employees. Employees minimize profits.
As someone has already mentioned, most if not all of the manned toll booths in TX have been replaced with "pay by mail" but before they were, the operators were uniformly surly. In contrast, the operators in the cash booths on the Kansas Turnpike are uniformly friendly and never fail to wish me a nice day.
As someone has already mentioned, most if not all of the manned toll booths in TX have been replaced with "pay by mail" but before they were, the operators were uniformly surly. In contrast, the operators in the cash booths on the Kansas Turnpike are uniformly friendly and never fail to wish me a nice day.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 07, 2024 11:24 AM (/y8xj)
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My little city was planning a parking deck and city council was debating what to charge motorists. Once council member proposed that parking should be free to which another replied, "there's no such thing as free parking." I'm impressed that there are still some crusty clear thinkers in city government.
Posted by: Oglebay at June 07, 2024 11:25 AM (ogTiX)
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Roads in most states, overall, are horseshit, the bridges don't pass inspection (Minnesota collapse) and we're paying more and more every year.
Posted by: Sponge
... but our Glorious Supreme Leader Joe Biden has gotten an infrastructure bill back a few years ago and you are saying you've seen none of it.
Well .. you are in the same boat as everybody else.
IRA gave us 7 charging stations for $7.5 billion. At those prices, it will take $357 Quadrillion to see it in your neighborhood.
Overtime: Just who is getting this money ?
Posted by: Sponge
... but our Glorious Supreme Leader Joe Biden has gotten an infrastructure bill back a few years ago and you are saying you've seen none of it.
Well .. you are in the same boat as everybody else.
IRA gave us 7 charging stations for $7.5 billion. At those prices, it will take $357 Quadrillion to see it in your neighborhood.
Overtime: Just who is getting this money ?
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:25 AM (RHGPo)
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I remember one trip across the state on the PA Turnpike through a section known as 'the icebox' of the state. Every five miles or so a huge mountain of salt off to the side of the road. Every minute you'd have to turn on your wipers and blast the salt spray off the windshield. Cleaned out my reservoir of washer fluid. But the roads were free of ice. Barely.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
My first trip on the PA Turnpike was in December, at night. The semis (and there were a lot of them) kept throwing slush onto my windshield, and I eventually ran out of wiper fluid. Then I had to pull over every few miles and clean it with paper towel until I got to the next rest area and could buy more fluid.
Fun times, fun times.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
My first trip on the PA Turnpike was in December, at night. The semis (and there were a lot of them) kept throwing slush onto my windshield, and I eventually ran out of wiper fluid. Then I had to pull over every few miles and clean it with paper towel until I got to the next rest area and could buy more fluid.
Fun times, fun times.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:25 AM (v6JzV)
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No, we need the interstates. You can't transport all the goods we need on state run roads.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 07, 2024 11:25 AM (xjTDL)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 07, 2024 11:26 AM (63Dwl)
98
Not being allowed to end another human's life with certain exceptions, is "slavery".
Back then these same people would have claimed that not being able to own a black is slavery.
Back then these same people would have claimed that not being able to own a black is slavery.
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:26 AM (+yplR)
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... but our Glorious Supreme Leader Joe Biden has gotten an infrastructure bill back a few years ago and you are saying you've seen none of it.
Well .. you are in the same boat as everybody else.
IRA gave us 7 charging stations for $7.5 billion. At those prices, it will take $357 Quadrillion to see it in your neighborhood.
Overtime: Just who is getting this money ?
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:25 AM (RHGPo)
The "American Reinvestment and Recovery Act" of over $700 Billion was supposed to do EVERYTHING for infrastructure.
All I ever saw from that was some resurfaced blacktop highways in blue shithole states.
Well .. you are in the same boat as everybody else.
IRA gave us 7 charging stations for $7.5 billion. At those prices, it will take $357 Quadrillion to see it in your neighborhood.
Overtime: Just who is getting this money ?
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:25 AM (RHGPo)
The "American Reinvestment and Recovery Act" of over $700 Billion was supposed to do EVERYTHING for infrastructure.
All I ever saw from that was some resurfaced blacktop highways in blue shithole states.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)
100
Roads in most states, overall, are horseshit, the bridges don't pass inspection (Minnesota collapse) and we're paying more and more every year.
Posted by: Sponge
... but our Glorious Supreme Leader Joe Biden has gotten an infrastructure bill back a few years ago and you are saying you've seen none of it.
Well .. you are in the same boat as everybody else.
IRA gave us 7 charging stations for $7.5 billion. At those prices, it will take $357 Quadrillion to see it in your neighborhood.
Overtime: Just who is getting this money ?
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:25 AM (RHGPo)
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I'm sorry for the homer note. But we in Michigan have the *worst* roads.
Our state is infamous for not even using the most durable road material.
So hitting deer and bad roads, we're Number #1!
Posted by: Sponge
... but our Glorious Supreme Leader Joe Biden has gotten an infrastructure bill back a few years ago and you are saying you've seen none of it.
Well .. you are in the same boat as everybody else.
IRA gave us 7 charging stations for $7.5 billion. At those prices, it will take $357 Quadrillion to see it in your neighborhood.
Overtime: Just who is getting this money ?
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:25 AM (RHGPo)
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I'm sorry for the homer note. But we in Michigan have the *worst* roads.
Our state is infamous for not even using the most durable road material.
So hitting deer and bad roads, we're Number #1!
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:26 AM (krQz2)
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100 adjacent.
Buck, saw your overnight thread this morning, wanted to chime in on my favorite lyrical screwup.
As a very young lad, I loved Phil Collins' song, "Invisible Touch." However, instead of singing it "invisible touch, yeah," a four-year-old Scrutinizer sang it, "invisible tough shit!"
Was quite the shock once my mother realized my mistake.
Buck, saw your overnight thread this morning, wanted to chime in on my favorite lyrical screwup.
As a very young lad, I loved Phil Collins' song, "Invisible Touch." However, instead of singing it "invisible touch, yeah," a four-year-old Scrutinizer sang it, "invisible tough shit!"
Was quite the shock once my mother realized my mistake.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 07, 2024 11:26 AM (KbCG3)
102
We had a condo in Gulf Shores growing up and it's my fam's default spring break destination now. Great part of the country. Glad to see such news from there. Thanks, Buck!
Posted by: bearski at June 07, 2024 11:27 AM (Bhsk7)
103
Well fellow Hordians, this is my last post with this hash as I am retiring after 44+ years! More time for grandbabies, travel, quilting, and gubs.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at June 07, 2024 11:27 AM (rOSoi)
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Yeah super "conservative" Texas never met a toll road it didn't like. Pretty sure every new highway constructed in the last 25 years is a toll road.
My favorite is when they say they'll remove the tolls when the road is paid for. LOL
My favorite is when they say they'll remove the tolls when the road is paid for. LOL
Posted by: brak at June 07, 2024 11:27 AM (AR07F)
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Here in upper Hoosierland, we used to have a very nice toll road. It was smooth (that doesn't often happen in northern Indiana) and the rest stops were clean and safe. Then they leased the toll road to a private company, and the road and the rest stops quickly went to absolute crap. And who wants to pay for that?
Don't know what it's like currently. Gave up on it long ago.
Don't know what it's like currently. Gave up on it long ago.
Posted by: Lady Who's Always Has a Burning Question at June 07, 2024 11:27 AM (JCLJi)
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The bonus would be that after the cost of building was paid the road would be free to all, current taxes covering the cost of maintenance and repairs.
hahahahahahahah
When the Golden Gate Bridge was paid off, the bridge district created an extensive ferry system (thus preserving the bridge bureaucracy), rather than making the bridge free.
hahahahahahahah
When the Golden Gate Bridge was paid off, the bridge district created an extensive ferry system (thus preserving the bridge bureaucracy), rather than making the bridge free.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 07, 2024 11:27 AM (uxCna)
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In 2005, the Illinois Skyway (I-90) was privatised by the City of Chicago under a 99-year lease. This year the toll jumped to $7.20 for cars and $42 for trucks.
Posted by: WillowViney at June 07, 2024 11:27 AM (d3MA1)
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OT: Preface: I'm an adamant Trump supporter, but this routine had me in tears:
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Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:27 AM (krQz2)
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But now I find it sort of endearing, in a roadside-America kitschy kind of way.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
Iliked the one on 44, aka, Turner Turnpike. Tootling along, and wham! Opens up into a parking lot with a McDonald's restaurant straddling the turnpike overhead.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
Iliked the one on 44, aka, Turner Turnpike. Tootling along, and wham! Opens up into a parking lot with a McDonald's restaurant straddling the turnpike overhead.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:27 AM (n/S9s)
110
What happened in NY is that congestion pricing was never actually supposed to happen.
The idiot governor approved a cockamamie plan for CP years ago -- for implementation years in the future -- mostly as a sop to special interest groups and big-money donors. The idea was to siphon up millions in consulting and other fees for connected special interests, while never actually doing anything.
But the MTA and the private outfits who would build and manage the thing saw tens of billions of dollars of "free" money and got stars in the eyes and moist in the crotch. The plan spiraled out of control until be became inevitable.
Never was a plan ever more universally loathed by a city's citizens than CP was. Yet it very nearly got implemented.
The idiot governor approved a cockamamie plan for CP years ago -- for implementation years in the future -- mostly as a sop to special interest groups and big-money donors. The idea was to siphon up millions in consulting and other fees for connected special interests, while never actually doing anything.
But the MTA and the private outfits who would build and manage the thing saw tens of billions of dollars of "free" money and got stars in the eyes and moist in the crotch. The plan spiraled out of control until be became inevitable.
Never was a plan ever more universally loathed by a city's citizens than CP was. Yet it very nearly got implemented.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 07, 2024 11:28 AM (iFTx/)
111
86 My truck is governed at 75.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (1Yy3c)
A LOT of the private owned rigs blow by me doing 80+ where they can.
Posted by: Sponge
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Two brothers running out of OKC, owner operators with a solid contract running from OK to CA ordered two KWs spected to cruise at 120.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:19 AM (1Yy3c)
A LOT of the private owned rigs blow by me doing 80+ where they can.
Posted by: Sponge
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Two brothers running out of OKC, owner operators with a solid contract running from OK to CA ordered two KWs spected to cruise at 120.
Posted by: Braenyard - at June 07, 2024 11:28 AM (YdEcD)
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Well fellow Hordians, this is my last post with this hash as I am retiring after 44+ years! More time for grandbabies, travel, quilting, and gubs.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris
Pozdravlyayu! (Congratulations!)
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris
Pozdravlyayu! (Congratulations!)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:29 AM (v6JzV)
113
With everybody being forced into electric vehicles, how do you suppose the states will make up for the loss of gasoline taxes?
Additional tolls and higher auto registration fees that incorporate a per mile surcharge.
Additional tolls and higher auto registration fees that incorporate a per mile surcharge.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:29 AM (XLUOX)
114
We pay our taxes, which should be kept low, and then there are certain expectations from us on how the tax money is spent.
Fuck you, whities living in St. George! You're supposed to pay more and more for other parts of city, and for our progressive policy priorities!
Fuck you, whities living in St. George! You're supposed to pay more and more for other parts of city, and for our progressive policy priorities!
Posted by: Baton Rouge Municipal Government Leftists at June 07, 2024 11:29 AM (JCZqz)
115
What ever happened to playing with the pain?
Kansas City Chiefs Postpone Practice After Defensive Lineman BJ Thompson Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Artificial turf has ruined the game. There's no dirt left to rub on it.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:20 AM (n/S9s)
That, and booster caused myocarditis.
Kansas City Chiefs Postpone Practice After Defensive Lineman BJ Thompson Suffers Cardiac Arrest
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Artificial turf has ruined the game. There's no dirt left to rub on it.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:20 AM (n/S9s)
That, and booster caused myocarditis.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:29 AM (9UJHz)
116
Every five miles or so a huge mountain of salt off to the side of the road. Every minute you'd have to turn on your wipers and blast the salt spray off the windshield.
.. you haven't lived until you run out of washer fluid.
I remember having to open the window and stick my head out to keep from hitting anything .. while snow and ice are still coming down.
.. you haven't lived until you run out of washer fluid.
I remember having to open the window and stick my head out to keep from hitting anything .. while snow and ice are still coming down.
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:29 AM (RHGPo)
117
Gotta go to work.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
118
119 Gotta go to work.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
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I don't get it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
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I don't get it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)
119
The "American Reinvestment and Recovery Act" of over $700 Billion was supposed to do EVERYTHING for infrastructure.
All I ever saw from that was some resurfaced blacktop highways in blue shithole states.
Remember, Robert Reich and others denounced the idea of spending the ARRA money on infrastructure, since that meant that the money would mostly go to evil white construction workers.
Instead, the money went to expanding government bureaucracies, which are mostly staffed by females and minorities.
All I ever saw from that was some resurfaced blacktop highways in blue shithole states.
Remember, Robert Reich and others denounced the idea of spending the ARRA money on infrastructure, since that meant that the money would mostly go to evil white construction workers.
Instead, the money went to expanding government bureaucracies, which are mostly staffed by females and minorities.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 07, 2024 11:31 AM (uxCna)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:31 AM (v6JzV)
121
congratulations, Gouverneur Morris! Have some fun for a change!
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 07, 2024 11:31 AM (xjTDL)
122
If a roadnis built using ANY public funds (taxes, land) then I don't approve of a toll. That eould be double taxation and only on users.
Posted by: Ciampino - I do mine on clay AND THEN fire it. at June 07, 2024 11:31 AM (qfLjt)
123
17 I don't hate Tollhouse.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (MaIsZ)
I'd chip in for a Tollhouse.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (MaIsZ)
I'd chip in for a Tollhouse.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:32 AM (XLUOX)
124
They become slaves to a baby as well because they are not allowed to disassociate from that connection willingly anymore.
It's stupid, but that's the logic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
So they support the Confederacy's inherent right to disassociate from the Union, yes?
It's stupid, but that's the logic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
So they support the Confederacy's inherent right to disassociate from the Union, yes?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 07, 2024 11:33 AM (/nCD+)
125
They recently widened I-25 between Colorado Springs and Castle Rock by adding a toll lane (with a variable toll). We desperately needed a 3rd lane to handle the traffic volume, but by making the 3rd lane a toll lane it doesn't actually help much. The other lanes still get backed up (while the toll lane is underutilized), where they probably wouldn't back up if the 3rd lane were available to all. We all paid for the new lane via taxes but we don't all benefit from it.
Yes, I have an EZ Pass, but I'm a cheap azz and hate paying for the toll lane, on principle.
Yes, I have an EZ Pass, but I'm a cheap azz and hate paying for the toll lane, on principle.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 07, 2024 11:33 AM (VGRuw)
126
Weed isn't supposed to make you angry.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)
I get a kick out of watching so-called conservatives on this webzine rag on libertarianism, because the Libertarian Party is overrun with idiotic douchebags, but at the same time continue to pull the lever for Republicans.
For the conservatisms!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)
I get a kick out of watching so-called conservatives on this webzine rag on libertarianism, because the Libertarian Party is overrun with idiotic douchebags, but at the same time continue to pull the lever for Republicans.
For the conservatisms!!!
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:33 AM (9UJHz)
127
Wonderful the state of Alabama planned ahead! Now try to discourage the northeasterners & mid-Atlantic types from visiting so it may be long enjoyed.
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LendingTree noted that Pennsylvania has the most expensive toll per mile in the U.S. on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. And the bridge connecting the Pennsylvania Turnpike to the New Jersey Turnpike has an average maximum fee of $8.20, which is the highest fee across interstate road tolls that LendingTree analyzed. May 16, 2024
That's not as bad as some of the N.J.'s AC Expressway exits. Toss the proper $ in the basket for some exits and still get a penalty letter weeks later stating the toll was unpaid & it, plus an additional $50 penalty, is immediately owed or it goes into collection. (The original toll charge is often less less than one dollar.)
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LendingTree noted that Pennsylvania has the most expensive toll per mile in the U.S. on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. And the bridge connecting the Pennsylvania Turnpike to the New Jersey Turnpike has an average maximum fee of $8.20, which is the highest fee across interstate road tolls that LendingTree analyzed. May 16, 2024
That's not as bad as some of the N.J.'s AC Expressway exits. Toss the proper $ in the basket for some exits and still get a penalty letter weeks later stating the toll was unpaid & it, plus an additional $50 penalty, is immediately owed or it goes into collection. (The original toll charge is often less less than one dollar.)
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at June 07, 2024 11:33 AM (NFX2v)
128
Toll roads are racist
Posted by: Joy Reid at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (FjlUt)
129
In 2005, the Illinois Skyway (I-90) was privatised by the City of Chicago under a 99-year lease. This year the toll jumped to $7.20 for cars and $42 for trucks.
Posted by: WillowViney
Semis? Yeah. They don't pay that out of pocket like a car driver does.
That's included in shipping costs. Part of what I do atwerk is clawing back assesorial freight costs. I see toll charges on trucking bills daily.
Posted by: WillowViney
Semis? Yeah. They don't pay that out of pocket like a car driver does.
That's included in shipping costs. Part of what I do atwerk is clawing back assesorial freight costs. I see toll charges on trucking bills daily.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (n/S9s)
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I'm not sure of the physics on this.
Kevin Bacon was burned 'badly' after hard-boiled egg exploded in his mouth while on the road with his band
Kevin Bacon was burned 'badly' after hard-boiled egg exploded in his mouth while on the road with his band
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)
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I say "comparatively" because while speeding or blowing a red light is technically a crime, it's obscene that cities are buring minor scofflaws under millions in fines and bullshit, while looking the other way on much more serious offenses.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 07, 2024 11:21 AM (iFTx/)
I wonder if these companies are provided a list of license plates to ignore. I mean, if an officer were there and pulled over Lord High MuckityMuck, someone might notice. Could be embarrassing. But if PersecutionsRUs accidentally fails to issue a "fine" to them who's the wiser?
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 07, 2024 11:21 AM (iFTx/)
I wonder if these companies are provided a list of license plates to ignore. I mean, if an officer were there and pulled over Lord High MuckityMuck, someone might notice. Could be embarrassing. But if PersecutionsRUs accidentally fails to issue a "fine" to them who's the wiser?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (IUd0M)
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"But tolling in perpetuity is rightfully seen as a fleecing of drivers in perpetuity.". As in say, the Pennsylvania turnpike. Yea, it's a welfare program for state employees, as if they don't get so much ready.
Posted by: Edward at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (93DJn)
133
That booth has collected a lot of money from me over the years. When it was built it was worth it. Saved a good twenty minutes off the prior route from the exit. But over the years it became a hassle with toll increases.
Last year the state threatened to build a free bridge a mile or two down the road. If they did then that bridge would be worthless. I assume this is how the state encouraged the owners to sell.
Last year the state threatened to build a free bridge a mile or two down the road. If they did then that bridge would be worthless. I assume this is how the state encouraged the owners to sell.
Posted by: Lancelot_Link at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (HrQ+B)
134
*shifty eyes*
"Hey buddy. Wanna make some money? Gotta bridge down south you can get for a steal."
"Hey buddy. Wanna make some money? Gotta bridge down south you can get for a steal."
Posted by: Diogenes at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (W/lyH)
135
126
So they support the Confederacy's inherent right to disassociate from the Union, yes?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 07, 2024 11:33 AM (/nCD+)
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They support power. For their favorite political party.
They are partisans and nothing more. They believe in nothing but their own side's power. It's not even their own personal power. It's cheering for a sports team.
So they support the Confederacy's inherent right to disassociate from the Union, yes?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 07, 2024 11:33 AM (/nCD+)
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They support power. For their favorite political party.
They are partisans and nothing more. They believe in nothing but their own side's power. It's not even their own personal power. It's cheering for a sports team.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
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I don't hate Tollhouse.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (MaIsZ)
I'd chip in for a Tollhouse.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:32 AM (XLUOX)
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Whaddya want? A cookie?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (MaIsZ)
I'd chip in for a Tollhouse.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:32 AM (XLUOX)
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Whaddya want? A cookie?
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (krQz2)
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>>> 132 I'm not sure of the physics on this.
Kevin Bacon was burned 'badly' after hard-boiled egg exploded in his mouth while on the road with his band
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)
Yeah, *something* exploded in his mouth, but we signed an NDA...
Kevin Bacon was burned 'badly' after hard-boiled egg exploded in his mouth while on the road with his band
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)
Yeah, *something* exploded in his mouth, but we signed an NDA...
Posted by: Kevin Bacon's band at June 07, 2024 11:35 AM (llON8)
138
This is one tiny area where California, my former home, is better than my new Texas home. I never had to encounter tolls in Cali…. But there’s a lot of toll roads in north Texas which surprised me when I first got here. I had to purchase a toll pass….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 07, 2024 11:35 AM (LNzIa)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:35 AM (n/S9s)
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139 Yeah, *something* exploded in his mouth, but we signed an NDA...
Posted by: Kevin Bacon's band at June 07, 2024 11:35 AM (llON
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Hush money? I think that's illegal now.
Posted by: Kevin Bacon's band at June 07, 2024 11:35 AM (llON
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Hush money? I think that's illegal now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:35 AM (GBKbO)
141
So they support the Confederacy's inherent right to disassociate from the Union, yes?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 07, 2024 11:33 AM (/nCD+)
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I do. And I thought the Union's "Yeah, but we still own all the military bases" was bullshit--even though I thought Dredd Scott was much worse bullshit.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 07, 2024 11:33 AM (/nCD+)
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I do. And I thought the Union's "Yeah, but we still own all the military bases" was bullshit--even though I thought Dredd Scott was much worse bullshit.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:36 AM (krQz2)
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This is one tiny area where California, my former home, is better than my new Texas home. I never had to encounter tolls in Cali…. But there’s a lot of toll roads in north Texas which surprised me when I first got here. I had to purchase a toll pass….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Don't take the toll roads. Those left will rival any California highway.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Don't take the toll roads. Those left will rival any California highway.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:36 AM (n/S9s)
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A few weeks back I received a letter from the state that I had underpaid the penalty for not withholding enough.
I OWED $0000000000000.01
I decided to pay it online and encountered two issues:
1) you can't pay less than $1.00 .. so I paid $1.00
2) to make a payment, it will cost you $1.00
So, in order to pay a $0000000000000.01 underpayment, I had to pay $2.00
I OWED $0000000000000.01
I decided to pay it online and encountered two issues:
1) you can't pay less than $1.00 .. so I paid $1.00
2) to make a payment, it will cost you $1.00
So, in order to pay a $0000000000000.01 underpayment, I had to pay $2.00
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:37 AM (RHGPo)
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Toll roads are racist
Posted by: Joy Reid at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (FjlUt)
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I don't think they require ID.
Posted by: Joy Reid at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (FjlUt)
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I don't think they require ID.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:37 AM (krQz2)
145
I don't hate Tollhouse.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (MaIsZ)
I'd chip in for a Tollhouse.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:32 AM (XLUOX)
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Whaddya want? A cookie?
Posted by: Axeman
Get over yourelves.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 07, 2024 11:06 AM (MaIsZ)
I'd chip in for a Tollhouse.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:32 AM (XLUOX)
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Whaddya want? A cookie?
Posted by: Axeman
Get over yourelves.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:38 AM (v6JzV)
146
Looking at you Houston TX.
Posted by: Shaftoe at June 07, 2024 11:38 AM (Rvxb7)
147
Gotta go to work.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
I don't get it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)
Me neither.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
I don't get it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)
Me neither.
Posted by: Topless Big Tittied Coed Sun Bathing On Some Rich Guy's Boat at June 07, 2024 11:38 AM (1Yy3c)
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Don't take the toll roads. Those left will rival any California highway.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:36 AM (n/S9s)
I’m able to mostly avoid them but the 121 is really by far the best and fastest way to DFW and it’s a toll road. One nice thing about it; I’ve never seen it backed up
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:36 AM (n/S9s)
I’m able to mostly avoid them but the 121 is really by far the best and fastest way to DFW and it’s a toll road. One nice thing about it; I’ve never seen it backed up
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 07, 2024 11:38 AM (LNzIa)
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Kevin Bacon was burned 'badly' after hard-boiled egg exploded in his mouth while on the road with his band
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)
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In all those cooking shows "exploded in my mouth" always sounded like a good thing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)
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In all those cooking shows "exploded in my mouth" always sounded like a good thing.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:39 AM (krQz2)
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I say "comparatively" because while speeding or blowing a red light is technically a crime, it's obscene that cities are buring minor scofflaws under millions in fines and bullshit, while looking the other way on much more serious offenses.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 07, 2024 11:21 AM (iFTx/)
I wonder if these companies are provided a list of license plates to ignore. I mean, if an officer were there and pulled over Lord High MuckityMuck, someone might notice. Could be embarrassing. But if PersecutionsRUs accidentally fails to issue a "fine" to them who's the wiser?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (IUd0M)
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The connected interests would contest the violation and they would win. I tried contesting red light violations dozens of times. A few times I was unfairly charged. I had video and other evidence. I presented the evidence to the "judge" very persuasively. There was little doubt I was not guilty. The verdict? "Fuck you. Pay your fine and shut the fuck up."
The red light cameras and especially CP are also one big surveillance state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 07, 2024 11:21 AM (iFTx/)
I wonder if these companies are provided a list of license plates to ignore. I mean, if an officer were there and pulled over Lord High MuckityMuck, someone might notice. Could be embarrassing. But if PersecutionsRUs accidentally fails to issue a "fine" to them who's the wiser?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:34 AM (IUd0M)
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The connected interests would contest the violation and they would win. I tried contesting red light violations dozens of times. A few times I was unfairly charged. I had video and other evidence. I presented the evidence to the "judge" very persuasively. There was little doubt I was not guilty. The verdict? "Fuck you. Pay your fine and shut the fuck up."
The red light cameras and especially CP are also one big surveillance state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 07, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)
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Morning. I listened to about half of the CJN podcast with Jim Lakely. Will they put Trump in jail? Beside the point. What caught my attention was what seems to be the ongoing insistence that John Q. Public be the one to initiate the type of concerted action that is required to affect change, and that insistence is most stridently made by people in the business of punditry. That's to say people in the business of providing factual information, rational analysis and an organized platform for it. It seems odd that the people with voice and reach shrink from using them to effectively cultivate meaningful in-person opposition to the shambling tyranny that is the Federal government. It seems odd to conflate grilling hot dogs and taking our grandkids to T-ball with an unawareness of conditions. Leadership is essential; no one wants to make their sacrifice a lonely act of futility (exceptions noted.) When the pundit class is ready to risk their own lives, fortunes and sacred honor to initiate action, action will happen. Until then, enjoy your hot dogs and I hope your kids have a good game.
Posted by: Erik In Texas at June 07, 2024 11:40 AM (ECWVY)
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Whoa,
Got a big night planned! Barry and big Mike are coming over for dinner. I'm making their favorite dish! So....
LETS DANCE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EgALtNmJJQ
Got a big night planned! Barry and big Mike are coming over for dinner. I'm making their favorite dish! So....
LETS DANCE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EgALtNmJJQ
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at June 07, 2024 11:40 AM (5hfjS)
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Democrats love state-owned toll roads, which serve as a source of tax revenue and create make-work jobs for toll collectors and toll agency administrators. Establishment Republicans love privatized toll roads because a corporation rather than the government is collecting the tolls.
And members of both parties love filling their bank accounts with kickbacks from the private companies. This applies to both tolls and traffic cameras (where the fines are often collected by non-American companies).
And members of both parties love filling their bank accounts with kickbacks from the private companies. This applies to both tolls and traffic cameras (where the fines are often collected by non-American companies).
Posted by: Ian S. at June 07, 2024 11:40 AM (2ocoG)
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Hush money? I think that's illegal now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:35 AM (GBKbO)
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It's validity can be (D)ifferent for (D)ifferent people.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 11:35 AM (GBKbO)
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It's validity can be (D)ifferent for (D)ifferent people.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:41 AM (krQz2)
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Canadian Cancer Society sorry for saying "cervix" instead of "front hole"
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Geez! You'd think they'd know basic anatomy.
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Geez! You'd think they'd know basic anatomy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:41 AM (L/fGl)
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The connected interests would contest the violation and they would win. I tried contesting red light violations dozens of times. A few times I was unfairly charged. I had video and other evidence. I presented the evidence to the "judge" very persuasively. There was little doubt I was not guilty. The verdict? "Fuck you. Pay your fine and shut the fuck up."
... there is a reason that in some places the will do a "South African necktie" of these cameras (i.e. put a tire filled with burning gasoline around the camera).
... there is a reason that in some places the will do a "South African necktie" of these cameras (i.e. put a tire filled with burning gasoline around the camera).
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
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I don't think they require ID.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:37 AM (krQz2)
But you have to know what a computer is to order a multipass. So yeah, rayciss.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:37 AM (krQz2)
But you have to know what a computer is to order a multipass. So yeah, rayciss.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:42 AM (9UJHz)
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It's validity can be (D)ifferent for (D)ifferent people.
Posted by: Axeman
Anything that DD women want to do is fine with me.
Posted by: Axeman
Anything that DD women want to do is fine with me.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:42 AM (v6JzV)
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They recently widened I-25 between Colorado Springs and Castle Rock by adding a toll lane (with a variable toll).
Its really the most wasteful way to add a lane because now you have to pay staff to manage the tolls the servicing of tolls and toll accounts and maintain the equipment, the financial institutions to handle the tolls, assign LEOs and courts to enforce the toll lane use, and most of these roles in the chain all get life time pensions so even if the toll road went away, every tenured employee (and their survivors) of the toll way authority gets paid for life.
That is a LOT of parasites on a system that would never have to be if the road originally was non tolled.
We are ruled by stupid and evil people.
Its really the most wasteful way to add a lane because now you have to pay staff to manage the tolls the servicing of tolls and toll accounts and maintain the equipment, the financial institutions to handle the tolls, assign LEOs and courts to enforce the toll lane use, and most of these roles in the chain all get life time pensions so even if the toll road went away, every tenured employee (and their survivors) of the toll way authority gets paid for life.
That is a LOT of parasites on a system that would never have to be if the road originally was non tolled.
We are ruled by stupid and evil people.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 07, 2024 11:43 AM (iruKY)
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Oregon is trying to get toll roads here on the I-205, I-5, and the I-5 Bridge between Portland and Vancouver. The citizenry is mostly against it, except for the schmuck bike riding granola yuppy mass transit bastards (which is a lot of people in Portland Metro)
Do they sell cheap helicopters?
Oregon is trying to get toll roads here on the I-205, I-5, and the I-5 Bridge between Portland and Vancouver. The citizenry is mostly against it, except for the schmuck bike riding granola yuppy mass transit bastards (which is a lot of people in Portland Metro)
Do they sell cheap helicopters?
Posted by: Frank Barone at June 07, 2024 11:43 AM (+oR7L)
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Well fellow Hordians, this is my last post with this hash as I am retiring after 44+ years! More time for grandbabies, travel, quilting, and gubs.
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris
Congratulations! Cause for celebration!
https://tinyurl.com/6eym3kk8
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris
Congratulations! Cause for celebration!
https://tinyurl.com/6eym3kk8
Posted by: Celebratory, merciful Admiral Ackbar at June 07, 2024 11:43 AM (JCZqz)
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The connected interests would contest the violation and they would win. I tried contesting red light violations dozens of times. A few times I was unfairly charged. I had video and other evidence. I presented the evidence to the "judge" very persuasively. There was little doubt I was not guilty. The verdict? "Fuck you. Pay your fine and shut the fuck up."
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
Missouri outlawed them as unconstitutional.
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
Missouri outlawed them as unconstitutional.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:43 AM (9UJHz)
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They toll you and toll you.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:43 AM (krQz2)
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The Tampa Police Department has gay badges for Pride Month
https://shorturl.at/IfT1j
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Isn't that precious?
https://shorturl.at/IfT1j
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Isn't that precious?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:43 AM (L/fGl)
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Hey, any of the Horde on the roads to the VaMoMe have a safe trip, and all that will be there have a wonderful time!
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at June 07, 2024 11:44 AM (NFX2v)
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The worst idea FedGov ever came up with was forcing state to add HOV lanes to new construction (by otherwise withholding Fed money). HOV lanes are an extremely inefficient; they are typically isolated from the main highway by a divider and extra shoulder area, which would otherwise have been used for more normal traffic lanes. One HOV lane could have otherwise been used for about 2 or 3 lanes of normal traffic. Retards...
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at June 07, 2024 11:44 AM (XMwZJ)
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How many times have they tolled you?
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:44 AM (krQz2)
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>I mean....she's 40. Biology isn't kind to women's physical beauty at that age. Fertility is dropping rapidly, so biological sexual cues should naturally fall off, too. The exceptions are rare, and often take a LOT of effort, surgery, or winning the genetic lottery.
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar
>Sophia Loren and Raquel Welch have entered the conversation.
You can champion the charms of older women, but your lustful gaze has to aim a little bit lower. Drooping a bit.
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar
>Sophia Loren and Raquel Welch have entered the conversation.
You can champion the charms of older women, but your lustful gaze has to aim a little bit lower. Drooping a bit.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 07, 2024 11:44 AM (cf/0E)
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I’m able to mostly avoid them but the 121 is really by far the best and fastest way to DFW and it’s a toll road. One nice thing about it; I’ve never seen it backed up
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Only time is if there's an accident.
You should have seen 121 before it became a toll road. Two lane blacktop from McKinney to 183 in Bedford.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Only time is if there's an accident.
You should have seen 121 before it became a toll road. Two lane blacktop from McKinney to 183 in Bedford.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (n/S9s)
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69 Not unlike maple syrup.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM
Now I'm craving French toast.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM
Now I'm craving French toast.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (XLUOX)
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In all those cooking shows "exploded in my mouth" always sounded like a good thing.
Posted by: Axeman
Exploded with flavor.
In all those cooking shows "exploded in my mouth" always sounded like a good thing.
Posted by: Axeman
Exploded with flavor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (63Dwl)
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Prosecution rests in Hunter Biden gun trial as defense calls for an acquittal
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (RHGPo)
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John A. Lucas: Admiral McRaven to American people: “You need to shut up (except for me, of course)."
Who is "undermining" America?
https://tinyurl.com/mr3uprma
But Trump is the fascist.
Via Instapundit.
Who is "undermining" America?
https://tinyurl.com/mr3uprma
But Trump is the fascist.
Via Instapundit.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (1Yy3c)
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Bringing us all together.
Florida: Muslim tire shop owner flies Nazi flag to protest "modern-day holocaust" in Gaza
Florida: Muslim tire shop owner flies Nazi flag to protest "modern-day holocaust" in Gaza
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (L/fGl)
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Not unlike maple syrup.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM
Now I'm craving French toast.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (XLUOX)
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Have you surrendered to it?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:18 AM
Now I'm craving French toast.
Posted by: tankdemon at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (XLUOX)
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Have you surrendered to it?
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (krQz2)
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Sadly lunch was during my ride to next job
Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2024 11:46 AM (f8A04)
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I remember when there was a toll on I-95 in downtown Richmond VA. It got removed I forget when. Only case I know of this happening.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at June 07, 2024 11:46 AM (T+Iwg)
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You can champion the charms of older women, but your lustful gaze has to aim a little bit lower. Drooping a bit.
Posted by: BourbonChicken
This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: BourbonChicken
This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi now, and AOC in 30 years at June 07, 2024 11:46 AM (JCZqz)
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The toll roads in TX are OK with me. Fairly reasonable cost and the toll reduces traffic load a little. The bypass around Austin is fantastic--80+ MPH speed limit and little traffic, and going through Austin on I-35 is a nightmare.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at June 07, 2024 11:47 AM (XMwZJ)
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But Trump is the fascist.
Via Instapundit.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (1Yy3c)
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They do more than undermine our institutions. They pollute our precious bodily fluids.
Via Instapundit.
Posted by: Robert at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (1Yy3c)
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They do more than undermine our institutions. They pollute our precious bodily fluids.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:47 AM (krQz2)
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California is building toll roads with a vengeance. They're called fast track and are built in the fast lanes with license plate readers pay points parallel on the same highway. Poor? Get in the slow lane with the trucks prole while the rich zip along 2x faster than you. There's your democracy.
Two tiered driving inflicted on you by Democrats. Modern Jim Crow based on wealth.
Two tiered driving inflicted on you by Democrats. Modern Jim Crow based on wealth.
Posted by: torabora at June 07, 2024 11:47 AM (0Gnoc)
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I drove the PA turnpike about every weekend from Breezewood to the OH line and back when my Dad was ill. Got to know every pothole on a first name basis. Later, the wife and I had a real nice 62 VW camper. Top speed about 70 if going off a cliff. Hang on tight when one of the knights of the highway passes you doing 85 in his Peterbilt. For trips to OH and back I started using US30 instead of the pike. More relaxed.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 07, 2024 11:47 AM (V5eKu)
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. I tried contesting red light violations dozens of times. A few times I was unfairly charged. I had video and other evidence.
There was an attorney in the Plano TX area that contested a red light camera by proving that the city illegally short-timed the yellow light to increase violations.
Even though there were corrupt actors who fraudulently caused many to pay fines, those people did not receive remuneration and no one who was behind the scene suffered any consequences.
That is the infuriating part, our rulers can engage in fraud, cheat the population and when caught, nothing happens; but those who were cheated have points against their record and a little less money.
There was an attorney in the Plano TX area that contested a red light camera by proving that the city illegally short-timed the yellow light to increase violations.
Even though there were corrupt actors who fraudulently caused many to pay fines, those people did not receive remuneration and no one who was behind the scene suffered any consequences.
That is the infuriating part, our rulers can engage in fraud, cheat the population and when caught, nothing happens; but those who were cheated have points against their record and a little less money.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 07, 2024 11:47 AM (iruKY)
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152 The connected interests would contest the violation and they would win. I tried contesting red light violations dozens of times. A few times I was unfairly charged. I had video and other evidence. I presented the evidence to the "judge" very persuasively. There was little doubt I was not guilty. The verdict? "Fuck you. Pay your fine and shut the fuck up."
The red light cameras and especially CP are also one big surveillance state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June
These don’t exist in my neck of the woods. But I did get a speeding ticket for the first time in forever here and went to court over it. It was just like that old show Night Court. Started at 4, drug violations, neighbor disputes, etc because it’s a county court and not just our little town. And then me. The judge made me promise to watch my speed and dropped it.
The red light cameras and especially CP are also one big surveillance state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June
These don’t exist in my neck of the woods. But I did get a speeding ticket for the first time in forever here and went to court over it. It was just like that old show Night Court. Started at 4, drug violations, neighbor disputes, etc because it’s a county court and not just our little town. And then me. The judge made me promise to watch my speed and dropped it.
Posted by: Piper at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (aT5K/)
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So will the judge in the Hunter Biden case issue a directed verdict of not guilty now that the prosecution has rested? Nothing would surprise me with corruption everywhere in the judicial system
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (LNzIa)
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On June 6, 1249, King Louis IX of France—better known to posterity as Saint Louis—scored a dramatic victory over the Islamic jihad at the start of the Seventh Crusade.
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (RHGPo)
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Kevin Dalton
@TheKevinDalton
Father of four executed as gunman walks down California street indiscriminately firing at random cars.
If only this happened in Texas or Florida so Gavin Newsom would pretend to care…
https://shorturl.at/jIANm
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Video at link.
@TheKevinDalton
Father of four executed as gunman walks down California street indiscriminately firing at random cars.
If only this happened in Texas or Florida so Gavin Newsom would pretend to care…
https://shorturl.at/jIANm
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Video at link.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (L/fGl)
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The connected interests would contest the violation and they would win. I tried contesting red light violations dozens of times. A few times I was unfairly charged. I had video and other evidence. I presented the evidence to the "judge" very persuasively. There was little doubt I was not guilty. The verdict? "Fuck you. Pay your fine and shut the fuck up."
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
Missouri outlawed them as unconstitutional.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:43 AM (9UJHz)
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They are clearly and obviously unconstitutional. They outsource criminal law enforcement to private companies who have every financial incentive to maximize violations (and thus their own profits). Not only that, it's not even an actual person that decides guilt. It's AI.
They are clearly and obviously unconstitutional. But only a few jurisdictions found them so.
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
Missouri outlawed them as unconstitutional.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:43 AM (9UJHz)
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They are clearly and obviously unconstitutional. They outsource criminal law enforcement to private companies who have every financial incentive to maximize violations (and thus their own profits). Not only that, it's not even an actual person that decides guilt. It's AI.
They are clearly and obviously unconstitutional. But only a few jurisdictions found them so.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (iFTx/)
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Conservatives are against roads, bridges and tunnels!!
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (+yplR)
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John A. Lucas: Admiral McRaven to American people: “You need to shut up (except for me, of course)."
Who is "undermining" America?
https://tinyurl.com/mr3uprma
But Trump is the fascist.
This really disappointed me. He's the guy who gave a great graduation speech a few years back, starting with "make your bed".
Who is "undermining" America?
https://tinyurl.com/mr3uprma
But Trump is the fascist.
This really disappointed me. He's the guy who gave a great graduation speech a few years back, starting with "make your bed".
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 11:49 AM (xCA6C)
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Bringing us all together.
Florida: Muslim tire shop owner flies Nazi flag to protest "modern-day holocaust" in Gaza
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (L/fGl)
Outrageous. I'm going to the Jewish tire shop.
Florida: Muslim tire shop owner flies Nazi flag to protest "modern-day holocaust" in Gaza
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:45 AM (L/fGl)
Outrageous. I'm going to the Jewish tire shop.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:49 AM (9UJHz)
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130 Toll roads are racist
Posted by: Joy Reid
Black tires rolling on blacktop roads, just so the white man can get around! And them black roads? Divided by white and yellow lines, keeping us apart! Black Power!!!!! Resist, we much!
Posted by: Joy Reid
Black tires rolling on blacktop roads, just so the white man can get around! And them black roads? Divided by white and yellow lines, keeping us apart! Black Power!!!!! Resist, we much!
Posted by: Rev Al Sharpton at June 07, 2024 11:49 AM (JCZqz)
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Sorry to go OT.
Val has had a veterinary emergency this morning. I let him out around 5:00 this morning and when I let him back in just a little later, there was bright red blood all over the porch. Yet he otherwise behaved fairly normally.
I had to wait until 7:00 for our vet clinic to open. Around 6:30 I heard him loudly clear his throat and there was another bright red splotch on the blanket.
X-rays yesterday showed pretty clear lungs and a normal heart. His breathing and heart sounds are unexceptional. He wasn't running a fever this morning. There was no blood on the thermometer or around his anus. No exterior injuries. Keep him in your thoughts that we can figure this out.
Sorry to go OT.
Val has had a veterinary emergency this morning. I let him out around 5:00 this morning and when I let him back in just a little later, there was bright red blood all over the porch. Yet he otherwise behaved fairly normally.
I had to wait until 7:00 for our vet clinic to open. Around 6:30 I heard him loudly clear his throat and there was another bright red splotch on the blanket.
X-rays yesterday showed pretty clear lungs and a normal heart. His breathing and heart sounds are unexceptional. He wasn't running a fever this morning. There was no blood on the thermometer or around his anus. No exterior injuries. Keep him in your thoughts that we can figure this out.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 07, 2024 11:50 AM (MoZTd)
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McRaven began, ... “I am not a fan of President Trump. I think the jurors got it exactly right.”
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That right there tells me all I need to know.
He's one of the first of the 50 shut up experts the demedia is going to parade around.
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That right there tells me all I need to know.
He's one of the first of the 50 shut up experts the demedia is going to parade around.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:50 AM (krQz2)
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California is building toll roads with a vengeance. They're called fast track and are built in the fast lanes with license plate readers pay points parallel on the same highway. Poor? Get in the slow lane with the trucks prole while the rich zip along 2x faster than you. There's your democracy.
Two tiered driving inflicted on you by Democrats. Modern Jim Crow based on wealth.
So it's better that those who pay more don't get anything for it, as is the case with fully public roads?
Two tiered driving inflicted on you by Democrats. Modern Jim Crow based on wealth.
So it's better that those who pay more don't get anything for it, as is the case with fully public roads?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 11:51 AM (xCA6C)
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Only time is if there's an accident.
You should have seen 121 before it became a toll road. Two lane blacktop from McKinney to 183 in Bedford.
I remember when 121 was two lanes, unpatroled and as fast as you can safely drive.
You should have seen 121 before it became a toll road. Two lane blacktop from McKinney to 183 in Bedford.
I remember when 121 was two lanes, unpatroled and as fast as you can safely drive.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 07, 2024 11:51 AM (iruKY)
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Conservatives are against roads, bridges and tunnels!!
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (+yplR)
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And if the progs have their way we'll be against the wall, too.
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (+yplR)
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And if the progs have their way we'll be against the wall, too.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:51 AM (krQz2)
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186 I got a speeding ticket (blazing 10 over) going to OH from Cherry Point. Found out they were really looking for bootleg cigarettes. I had to follow the deputy to see the JP. He was holding court in a restaurant booth with a cash box. Guy let me slide due to being in the Corps.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 07, 2024 11:52 AM (V5eKu)
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I tried contesting red light violations dozens of times. A few times I was unfairly charged. I had video and other evidence.
There was an attorney in the Plano TX area that contested a red light camera by proving that the city illegally short-timed the yellow light to increase violations.
Even though there were corrupt actors who fraudulently caused many to pay fines, those people did not receive remuneration and no one who was behind the scene suffered any consequences.
My mom got one for "running a red light".
She made a right turn. Right on red is legal in Texas unless posted signage expressly forbids it.
She beat it, but still had to go yo court over the bs.
There was an attorney in the Plano TX area that contested a red light camera by proving that the city illegally short-timed the yellow light to increase violations.
Even though there were corrupt actors who fraudulently caused many to pay fines, those people did not receive remuneration and no one who was behind the scene suffered any consequences.
My mom got one for "running a red light".
She made a right turn. Right on red is legal in Texas unless posted signage expressly forbids it.
She beat it, but still had to go yo court over the bs.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:52 AM (n/S9s)
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They are clearly and obviously unconstitutional. They outsource criminal law enforcement to private companies who have every financial incentive to maximize violations (and thus their own profits). Not only that, it's not even an actual person that decides guilt. It's AI.
They are clearly and obviously unconstitutional. But only a few jurisdictions found them so.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Big governments including urban and suburban local governments have an unceasing appetite for moar spending and many of the private developers operating in those jurisdictions offload as much cost on the general public as they can.
So local governments nickel and dime residents to death via stealth taxes. Red light cameras are simply one of those.
That is why even the most die hard vote harder person should vote in state and local elections because those will have the most consequences for day to day life than the fed gov.
They are clearly and obviously unconstitutional. But only a few jurisdictions found them so.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Big governments including urban and suburban local governments have an unceasing appetite for moar spending and many of the private developers operating in those jurisdictions offload as much cost on the general public as they can.
So local governments nickel and dime residents to death via stealth taxes. Red light cameras are simply one of those.
That is why even the most die hard vote harder person should vote in state and local elections because those will have the most consequences for day to day life than the fed gov.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 11:52 AM (WwRol)
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Ran into Aqualung this morning at the Metro Parking Deck. Now I know whose urine I smell everyday. Acqualung is in real bad shape.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 07, 2024 11:52 AM (pZ64F)
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I actually approve of the process here. Private company took a private road and charged for services rendered. Then the state reimbursed that company (rather than just stealing it). Now it's the state's responsibility.
I don't hold that roads be inherently a State concern. Although sometimes the state has an interest in some roads, in which case the state should put up a bid. Which Alabama did.
I don't hold that roads be inherently a State concern. Although sometimes the state has an interest in some roads, in which case the state should put up a bid. Which Alabama did.
Posted by: libertarian apologetic at June 07, 2024 11:52 AM (gKWVE)
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Even the word "gunman" is propaganda. Note we don't have knifemen or batmen (shut up).
And if someone did it with a sword, they would not be referred to as a swordsman.
Everything is designed to control, shape, inflict and change your mind.
And if someone did it with a sword, they would not be referred to as a swordsman.
Everything is designed to control, shape, inflict and change your mind.
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:52 AM (+yplR)
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X-rays yesterday showed pretty clear lungs and a normal heart. His breathing and heart sounds are unexceptional. He wasn't running a fever this morning. There was no blood on the thermometer or around his anus. No exterior injuries. Keep him in your thoughts that we can figure this out.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June
Oh no! I will definitely keep you and the puppy in thoughts. Let us know what you find.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June
Oh no! I will definitely keep you and the puppy in thoughts. Let us know what you find.
Posted by: Piper at June 07, 2024 11:52 AM (aT5K/)
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McRaven began, ... “I am not a fan of President Trump. I think the jurors got it exactly right.”
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That right there tells me all I need to know.
He's one of the first of the 50 shut up experts the demedia is going to parade around.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:50 AM (krQz2)
I'm old enough to remember when uniformed personnel were supposed to keep their political opinions to themselves.
I liked that world. This one, not so much.
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That right there tells me all I need to know.
He's one of the first of the 50 shut up experts the demedia is going to parade around.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:50 AM (krQz2)
I'm old enough to remember when uniformed personnel were supposed to keep their political opinions to themselves.
I liked that world. This one, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:53 AM (9UJHz)
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When the first Miss. River Bridge (not the Huey P) opened in '59, it had tolls. My father deliberately used the river ferry when we drove to the West Bank, because the charge was lower (or maybe it was free then). The governor in 1964 promised to lift the tolls on the bridge, and he did.
We were toll-free until the new bridge opened in 1988. It was $1 to come to the East Bank of the river, where almost all the good stuff (including jobs) were; even less if you got a "toll tag" and put the charge on your credit card. This obtained until a few years ago, when a vote was taken to remove those tolls. Many people, me included, thought it would mean less maintenance -- and those fees went to pay for the river ferries, which were free.
Guess what? The tolls are gone -- but if you want to go downtown on the ferry now, it'll cost you $4/person round-trip. "Told ya!"
We were toll-free until the new bridge opened in 1988. It was $1 to come to the East Bank of the river, where almost all the good stuff (including jobs) were; even less if you got a "toll tag" and put the charge on your credit card. This obtained until a few years ago, when a vote was taken to remove those tolls. Many people, me included, thought it would mean less maintenance -- and those fees went to pay for the river ferries, which were free.
Guess what? The tolls are gone -- but if you want to go downtown on the ferry now, it'll cost you $4/person round-trip. "Told ya!"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 07, 2024 11:53 AM (J2vNu)
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I remember when there was a toll on I-95 in downtown Richmond VA. It got removed I forget when. Only case I know of this happening.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
I hear there's talk of bringing it back, though.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
I hear there's talk of bringing it back, though.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:53 AM (v6JzV)
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Getting very tired of hearing the Communists going 1942 screaming Fascists
Posted by: Skip at June 07, 2024 11:53 AM (f8A04)
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Done Hadrian
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:54 AM (+yplR)
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203 Ran into Aqualung this morning at the Metro Parking Deck. Now I know whose urine I smell everyday. Acqualung is in real bad shape.
Posted by: Pudinhead
"Watching as the pretty panties run"
This is about me, isn't it.
Posted by: Pudinhead
"Watching as the pretty panties run"
This is about me, isn't it.
Posted by: Joe Biden at June 07, 2024 11:54 AM (JCZqz)
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I remember when there was a toll on I-95 in downtown Richmond VA. It got removed I forget when. Only case I know of this happening.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
Yeah, I used to run that gauntlet from W and M to NoVa. Irritated me no end.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
Yeah, I used to run that gauntlet from W and M to NoVa. Irritated me no end.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6C)
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I remember when 121 was two lanes, unpatroled and as fast as you can safely drive.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
Yeah. One blinking light between McKinney and The Colony at 289 in Lolaville where the fruit stands were.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
Yeah. One blinking light between McKinney and The Colony at 289 in Lolaville where the fruit stands were.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2024 11:54 AM (n/S9s)
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199 Conservatives are against roads, bridges and tunnels!!
Posted by: ...
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And if the progs have their way we'll be against the wall, too.
Posted by: Axeman
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Has been an issue since the founding of the republic. A lot of debate went into the Erie Canal, land grants for railroads, postal roads, etc.
Posted by: ...
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And if the progs have their way we'll be against the wall, too.
Posted by: Axeman
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Has been an issue since the founding of the republic. A lot of debate went into the Erie Canal, land grants for railroads, postal roads, etc.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 11:54 AM (WwRol)
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Oh no! I will definitely keep you and the puppy in thoughts. Let us know what you find.
Posted by: Piper
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Val will be 9 in September. But, yes, he's a big puppy. And thank you.
Oh no! I will definitely keep you and the puppy in thoughts. Let us know what you find.
Posted by: Piper
__________
Val will be 9 in September. But, yes, he's a big puppy. And thank you.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 07, 2024 11:55 AM (MoZTd)
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The Left and NeverTrump (BIRM) has turned "populist" into a dirty word.
I'd prefer to see "common sense" or even "not batshit crazy".
I'd prefer to see "common sense" or even "not batshit crazy".
Posted by: McLurkerson at June 07, 2024 11:55 AM (CjgNg)
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Black tires rolling on blacktop roads, just so the white man can get around! And them black roads? Divided by white and yellow lines, keeping us apart! Black Power!!!!! Resist, we much!
Posted by: Rev Al Sharpton at June 07, 2024 11:49 AM (JCZqz)
My vehicle is black. It's not allowed to go anywhere I don't let it.
I shall denounce myself.
Posted by: Rev Al Sharpton at June 07, 2024 11:49 AM (JCZqz)
My vehicle is black. It's not allowed to go anywhere I don't let it.
I shall denounce myself.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (9UJHz)
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212 203 Ran into Aqualung this morning at the Metro Parking Deck. Now I know whose urine I smell everyday. Acqualung is in real bad shape.
Posted by: Pudinhead
"Watching as the pretty panties run"
This is about me, isn't it.
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Aqualung was just rising. He was looking for someplace to drop a load. He looked a little like Charlie Manson.
Posted by: Pudinhead
"Watching as the pretty panties run"
This is about me, isn't it.
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Aqualung was just rising. He was looking for someplace to drop a load. He looked a little like Charlie Manson.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (pZ64F)
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The Kentucky Parkway System (really nice roads, very scenic) I think started as a toll road system and when paid off the tolls were lifted. Kentucky seems to do a good job on highway maintenance.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (V5eKu)
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I'm old enough to remember when uniformed personnel were supposed to keep their political opinions to themselves.
I liked that world. This one, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:53 AM (9UJHz)
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Well part of the story is that "he's done that", but really, really has to speak up now.
So, shut up. Stop disrespecting the institutions of America.
Which is weird, because that's how I grew up. More respect than disrespect.
I liked that world. This one, not so much.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 11:53 AM (9UJHz)
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Well part of the story is that "he's done that", but really, really has to speak up now.
So, shut up. Stop disrespecting the institutions of America.
Which is weird, because that's how I grew up. More respect than disrespect.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (krQz2)
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So, in order to pay a $0000000000000.01 underpayment, I had to pay $2.00
Posted by: SMOD
Rolled over a small 401K from former employer to my new 401K employer.
They sent me a second check a wee later for 0.02.
A 2 cent check.
Posted by: SMOD
Rolled over a small 401K from former employer to my new 401K employer.
They sent me a second check a wee later for 0.02.
A 2 cent check.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (FxH7T)
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When I go down to the TXMOME, I hit a toll interstate when I cross over into OK. Then I turn off onto a state highway for most of the trip across OK.
The difference between the toll interstate and the state highway is night and day. The toll road is smooth and well maintained, so I guess they are getting the fees to maintain it. The state highway is rough and worn and full of potholes.
Though I actually like driving on that road compared to the toll road, where everything is "fixed" for you, including all of the gas stations.
The difference between the toll interstate and the state highway is night and day. The toll road is smooth and well maintained, so I guess they are getting the fees to maintain it. The state highway is rough and worn and full of potholes.
Though I actually like driving on that road compared to the toll road, where everything is "fixed" for you, including all of the gas stations.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (7fElN)
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Yeesh, Hadrian. That sounds terrible. Hope he pulls through all right.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (v6JzV)
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Kevin Bacon was burned 'badly' after hard-boiled egg exploded in his mouth while on the road with his band
But bacon and eggs are a great breakfast team!
But bacon and eggs are a great breakfast team!
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (4X2LN)
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I used to ride a motorcycle in CA. On my home, in my neighborhood there's a 4-way stop. As I drifted up to the stop, I stopped for a brief second as there was no other traffic... except the city cop. Who followed me home to cite me for "failure to come to a complete stop."
He says since my foot/feet never hit the ground I couldn't have stopped.
Yea..... about that.
He says since my foot/feet never hit the ground I couldn't have stopped.
Yea..... about that.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (MoZTd)
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217 Aqualung was just rising. He was looking for someplace to drop a load. He looked a little like Charlie Manson.
Posted by: Pudinhead at
Should I know who this is?
Posted by: Pudinhead at
Should I know who this is?
Posted by: Piper at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (aT5K/)
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Roads and bridges are one of those things that I think the government should own lock, stock, and barrel. This incestuous "public-private partnership" shit has got to go. It's just a circle-jerk where politicians get bought and the people pay the tolls to the company who buys the politicians. Politicians and the company get wildly rich and the commuters get the shaft.
At least if the gov't owns it, the people can theoretically vote in people who can have a say over what the tolls are. When a private company owns it, all you can do is bend over.
At least if the gov't owns it, the people can theoretically vote in people who can have a say over what the tolls are. When a private company owns it, all you can do is bend over.
Posted by: ballistic at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (oqH4h)
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (+yplR)
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"Watching as the pretty panties run"
This is about me, isn't it.
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Another line that sounds even worse is "as he bends to pick a dog-end".
You have to now that a "dog-end" is a cigar butt.
This is about me, isn't it.
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Another line that sounds even worse is "as he bends to pick a dog-end".
You have to now that a "dog-end" is a cigar butt.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (krQz2)
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He says since my foot/feet never hit the ground I couldn't have stopped.
Yea..... about that.
In DC, the supposed metric is the "hood dip".
He says since my foot/feet never hit the ground I couldn't have stopped.
Yea..... about that.
In DC, the supposed metric is the "hood dip".
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 11:58 AM (xCA6C)
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Buck, do you know if a recent engineering survey of that bridge showed a need for egregiously expensive repairs and updates?
That's the kind of cynical thinking that I'm stuck in based on past practices of governments.
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the state bought the roadway as a favor to the private company that should have been putting some of the toll money aside for exactly that purpose but instead used it to line their own pockets and those of select politicians, and now that the bill is coming due, foisting it onto the taxpayers by reverting it back to the state.
Just me being cynical, I guess.
That's the kind of cynical thinking that I'm stuck in based on past practices of governments.
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the state bought the roadway as a favor to the private company that should have been putting some of the toll money aside for exactly that purpose but instead used it to line their own pockets and those of select politicians, and now that the bill is coming due, foisting it onto the taxpayers by reverting it back to the state.
Just me being cynical, I guess.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 07, 2024 11:58 AM (FCbAQ)
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Democracy is amazing. Populism is terrible.
Don't ask them how.
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (+yplR)
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They're the same picture.
Which is why I am an uneasy "populist".
Don't ask them how.
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (+yplR)
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They're the same picture.
Which is why I am an uneasy "populist".
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:58 AM (krQz2)
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227 Roads and bridges are one of those things that I think the government should own lock, stock, and barrel. This incestuous "public-private partnership" shit has got to go. It's just a circle-jerk where politicians get bought and the people pay the tolls to the company who buys the politicians. Politicians and the company get wildly rich and the commuters get the shaft.
At least if the gov't owns it, the people can theoretically vote in people who can have a say over what the tolls are. When a private company owns it, all you can do is bend over.
Posted by: ballistic
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Heh, now do airports.
At least if the gov't owns it, the people can theoretically vote in people who can have a say over what the tolls are. When a private company owns it, all you can do is bend over.
Posted by: ballistic
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Heh, now do airports.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 11:58 AM (WwRol)
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Betcha the replacement Francis Scott Key bridge is toll because a couple billion for bridge or illegal alien services is not a hard choice to make. For them.
And they already have your money.
And they already have your money.
Posted by: torabora at June 07, 2024 11:58 AM (0Gnoc)
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Most of the money made from all the new toll roads in Texas do not go to Texas.
Posted by: Sponge
Texas is growing so fast that the state and counties cannot create bond issues fast enough. What they are doing is contracting with developers who buy the land, build the toll roads, and then collect tolls for a specified period of time until the road is paid for.
Posted by: Sponge
Texas is growing so fast that the state and counties cannot create bond issues fast enough. What they are doing is contracting with developers who buy the land, build the toll roads, and then collect tolls for a specified period of time until the road is paid for.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07, 2024 11:58 AM (lTGtQ)
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Don't knock eggs exploding in your mouth until you've tried it.
Posted by: Kamala at June 07, 2024 11:59 AM (+yplR)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 07, 2024 11:59 AM (MoZTd)
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 11:59 AM (xCA6C)
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Well part of the story is that "he's done that", but really, really has to speak up now.
So, shut up. Stop disrespecting the institutions of America.
Which is weird, because that's how I grew up. More respect than disrespect.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (krQz2)
Yeah, I can't think of anything more disrespectful to the institutions of America than people inside them deciding they know what's best for the American people, and making shit up as they go to save us from ourselves.
So, shut up. Stop disrespecting the institutions of America.
Which is weird, because that's how I grew up. More respect than disrespect.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 11:56 AM (krQz2)
Yeah, I can't think of anything more disrespectful to the institutions of America than people inside them deciding they know what's best for the American people, and making shit up as they go to save us from ourselves.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:00 PM (9UJHz)
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Employers in the United States added 272,000 workers to their payrolls in May, the Department of Labor said Friday, likely foreclosing the chances for a rate cut from the Federal Reserve early this summer.
... when good news is bad news
... when good news is bad news
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:00 PM (RHGPo)
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231 Buck, do you know if a recent engineering survey of that bridge showed a need for egregiously expensive repairs and updates?
That's the kind of cynical thinking that I'm stuck in based on past practices of governments.
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the state bought the roadway as a favor to the private company that should have been putting some of the toll money aside for exactly that purpose but instead used it to line their own pockets and those of select politicians, and now that the bill is coming due, foisting it onto the taxpayers by reverting it back to the state.
Just me being cynical, I guess.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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Like Christ said of the poor, you will always have grafters among us whether in one's family, one's friends, or one's community.
That's the kind of cynical thinking that I'm stuck in based on past practices of governments.
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the state bought the roadway as a favor to the private company that should have been putting some of the toll money aside for exactly that purpose but instead used it to line their own pockets and those of select politicians, and now that the bill is coming due, foisting it onto the taxpayers by reverting it back to the state.
Just me being cynical, I guess.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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Like Christ said of the poor, you will always have grafters among us whether in one's family, one's friends, or one's community.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:00 PM (WwRol)
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I made my bed regularly way before McRaven ever opened his pie hole to give that speech. He’s either stupid or part of the deep state…. Make that AND
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 07, 2024 12:01 PM (LNzIa)
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Employers in the United States added 272,000 workers to their payrolls in May, the Department of Labor said Friday, likely foreclosing the chances for a rate cut from the Federal Reserve early this summer.
You're forgetting the upcoming "correction" to -72,000 jobs.
You're forgetting the upcoming "correction" to -72,000 jobs.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 12:01 PM (xCA6C)
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Here in the nation's capital the Dulles Toll Road is owned and managed by an Italian firm. Things run on time on the Dulles Toll Road.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 07, 2024 12:01 PM (pZ64F)
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235 I noticed driving around the TX panhandler they use something resembling old time McAdam on county roads. Pretty smooth, looks durable, but noisy.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 07, 2024 12:01 PM (V5eKu)
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Yeah, I can't think of anything more disrespectful to the institutions of America than people inside them deciding they know what's best for the American people, and making shit up as they go to save us from ourselves.
Posted by: BurtTC
Those kind of shitheads want to be the House of Lords elites. Reason why a meritocracy never existed in fact but was simply an example of how grease floats to the top.
Posted by: BurtTC
Those kind of shitheads want to be the House of Lords elites. Reason why a meritocracy never existed in fact but was simply an example of how grease floats to the top.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (WwRol)
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Yeah, I can't think of anything more disrespectful to the institutions of America than people inside them deciding they know what's best for the American people, and making shit up as they go to save us from ourselves.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:00 PM (9UJHz)
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Yeah, that's a good point. I guess I respect them more than DC does.
Because I think they should be what they were *ratified* by the states to be, not just what the power in DC *thinks* they can do with them.
So, shut up, DC-shill McRaven. Fuck your admiralship, Admiral Jessup!
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:00 PM (9UJHz)
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Yeah, that's a good point. I guess I respect them more than DC does.
Because I think they should be what they were *ratified* by the states to be, not just what the power in DC *thinks* they can do with them.
So, shut up, DC-shill McRaven. Fuck your admiralship, Admiral Jessup!
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (krQz2)
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200. ... Found out they were really looking for bootleg cigarettes. I had to follow the deputy to see the JP. He was holding court in a restaurant booth with a cash box.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin...
You, sir, need to write a book. Great stories.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin...
You, sir, need to write a book. Great stories.
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (NFX2v)
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At least if the gov't owns it, the people can theoretically vote in people who can have a say over what the tolls are. When a private company owns it, all you can do is bend over.
Posted by: ballistic
You would be surprised at how corrupt public toll road projects are. Normally, when a city councilman shows up, he expects an envelope be put in his hand. I've seen it.
Posted by: ballistic
You would be surprised at how corrupt public toll road projects are. Normally, when a city councilman shows up, he expects an envelope be put in his hand. I've seen it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (lTGtQ)
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242 I made my bed regularly way before McRaven ever opened his pie hole to give that speech. He’s either stupid or part of the deep state…. Make that AND
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Obama Admiral. Nuff said.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
Obama Admiral. Nuff said.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (WwRol)
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The toll lanes on the beltway and 95 have variable pricing. Paradoxically, traffic goes up when the pricing increases, because higher prices mean the regular lanes are backed up.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (xCA6C)
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John Foster Dulles was secretary of state while his brother, Allen Dulles, was director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this book, Stephen Kinzer places their extraordinary lives against the background of American culture and history. He uses the framework of biography to ask: Why does the United States behave as it does in the world?
A book worth reading - The Brothers.
A book worth reading - The Brothers.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (pZ64F)
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Illegal Aliens March Through Times Square Chanting ‘Abolish ICE!’
.. should be simple enough to remove the ice makers in the hotels housing these criminally trespassing aliens.
.. should be simple enough to remove the ice makers in the hotels housing these criminally trespassing aliens.
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (RHGPo)
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Employers in the United States added 272,000 workers to their payrolls in May, the Department of Labor said Friday, likely foreclosing the chances for a rate cut from the Federal Reserve early this summer.
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Great, more jobs for the border-jumpers.
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Great, more jobs for the border-jumpers.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:03 PM (krQz2)
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Has been an issue since the founding of the republic. A lot of debate went into the Erie Canal, land grants for railroads, postal roads, etc.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 11:54 AM (WwRol)
Funny thing happened when a bunch of Veterans of the revolutionary war objected to being taxed to pay for the war.
Washington sent troops to let them know who was boss.
The king is dead. You work for ME now.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 11:54 AM (WwRol)
Funny thing happened when a bunch of Veterans of the revolutionary war objected to being taxed to pay for the war.
Washington sent troops to let them know who was boss.
The king is dead. You work for ME now.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:03 PM (9UJHz)
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Admiral McRaven to American people: “You need to shut up (except for me, of course)."
"Admiral". That's your problem right there.
From O7 up a person changes from American to traitor with the greatest America Haters found at O10s†
† Of course, there are a few exceptions.
"Admiral". That's your problem right there.
From O7 up a person changes from American to traitor with the greatest America Haters found at O10s†
† Of course, there are a few exceptions.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 07, 2024 12:04 PM (iruKY)
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Employers in the United States added 272,000 workers to their payrolls in May, the Department of Labor said Friday, likely foreclosing the chances for a rate cut from the Federal Reserve early this summer.
You're forgetting the upcoming "correction" to -72,000 jobs.
Posted by: Archimedes
Of the 272,000 jobs supposedly created, 241,000 were imputed jobs from small business openings. How many small businesses do you think opened in the past month, with 7% interest rates and nobody having disposable income.
The real number is 41,000 jobs created, and none of them were full time jobs. Full time jobs FELL by over 600K.
You're forgetting the upcoming "correction" to -72,000 jobs.
Posted by: Archimedes
Of the 272,000 jobs supposedly created, 241,000 were imputed jobs from small business openings. How many small businesses do you think opened in the past month, with 7% interest rates and nobody having disposable income.
The real number is 41,000 jobs created, and none of them were full time jobs. Full time jobs FELL by over 600K.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07, 2024 12:05 PM (lTGtQ)
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Garland Will Defy GOP Congressional Subpoenas — Jails Bannon for Same
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:06 PM (RHGPo)
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At least if the gov't owns it, the people can theoretically vote in people who can have a say over what the tolls are. When a private company owns it, all you can do is bend over.
Posted by: ballistic at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (oqH4h)
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Wait... you're serious?
The government owns???
I think we found the problem here.
Posted by: ballistic at June 07, 2024 11:57 AM (oqH4h)
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Wait... you're serious?
The government owns???
I think we found the problem here.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:06 PM (9UJHz)
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254 Employers in the United States added 272,000 workers to their payrolls in May, the Department of Labor said Friday, likely foreclosing the chances for a rate cut from the Federal Reserve early this summer.
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Great, more jobs for the border-jumpers.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:03 PM (krQz2)
And yet the unemployment rate went up to 4 %
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Great, more jobs for the border-jumpers.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:03 PM (krQz2)
And yet the unemployment rate went up to 4 %
Posted by: it's me donna at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (Akjoo)
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257 Of the 272,000 jobs supposedly created, 241,000 were imputed jobs from small business openings. How many small businesses do you think opened in the past month, with 7% interest rates and nobody having disposable income.
The real number is 41,000 jobs created, and none of them were full time jobs. Full time jobs FELL by over 600K.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07, 2024 12:05 PM (lTGtQ)
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"Look at those insurrectionists at AOS, not blindly believing their betters. They don't love science sexually. How stupid."
-DU, 0.004% probability, they have no idea we exist
The real number is 41,000 jobs created, and none of them were full time jobs. Full time jobs FELL by over 600K.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07, 2024 12:05 PM (lTGtQ)
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"Look at those insurrectionists at AOS, not blindly believing their betters. They don't love science sexually. How stupid."
-DU, 0.004% probability, they have no idea we exist
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (GBKbO)
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So why shouldn't roads be paid for by the people who use them?
Posted by: creeper at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (M6moH)
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245 235 I noticed driving around the TX panhandler they use something resembling old time McAdam on county roads. Pretty smooth, looks durable, but noisy.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
Chip and seal is an easy, cheap, and fast way to resurface a highway. Doesn't work well for going over concrete because of expansion joints.
Concrete in general is not the best roadway for the hotter climes in the US due to blowouts when excessive heat patterns occur. Colder climes it lasts a bit longer but prone to more icing, etc. due to blacktop's ability to absorb solar radiation better.
There was a brief experiment with prefabbed pre stressed concrete panels like used on bridges that came in well under budget, was superior in longevity, and could be assembled in place like Tinker Toys for a much faster construction pace.
Of course it was buried and forgotten.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
Chip and seal is an easy, cheap, and fast way to resurface a highway. Doesn't work well for going over concrete because of expansion joints.
Concrete in general is not the best roadway for the hotter climes in the US due to blowouts when excessive heat patterns occur. Colder climes it lasts a bit longer but prone to more icing, etc. due to blacktop's ability to absorb solar radiation better.
There was a brief experiment with prefabbed pre stressed concrete panels like used on bridges that came in well under budget, was superior in longevity, and could be assembled in place like Tinker Toys for a much faster construction pace.
Of course it was buried and forgotten.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (WwRol)
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"NOW they want to get rid of toll roads!"
-- Zombie Sonny Corleone
-- Zombie Sonny Corleone
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (v6JzV)
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It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the state bought the roadway as a favor to the private company that should have been putting some of the toll money aside for exactly that purpose but instead used it to line their own pockets and those of select politicians, and now that the bill is coming due, foisting it onto the taxpayers by reverting it back to the state.
Just me being cynical, I guess.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June
Xxxxx
In 2019, Alabama increased fuel tax to pay for road projects. The money to purchase the bridge came from these funds, so in a shocking turn of events when it comes to the government, they are using the money for its stated purpose. I haven’t seen any local stories on the bridge needing repairs, but they are doing needed repairs on the road in Orange Beach as part of this project. They included those repairs in the purchase price of the bridge so it wasn’t an add on after the purchase.
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the state bought the roadway as a favor to the private company that should have been putting some of the toll money aside for exactly that purpose but instead used it to line their own pockets and those of select politicians, and now that the bill is coming due, foisting it onto the taxpayers by reverting it back to the state.
Just me being cynical, I guess.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June
Xxxxx
In 2019, Alabama increased fuel tax to pay for road projects. The money to purchase the bridge came from these funds, so in a shocking turn of events when it comes to the government, they are using the money for its stated purpose. I haven’t seen any local stories on the bridge needing repairs, but they are doing needed repairs on the road in Orange Beach as part of this project. They included those repairs in the purchase price of the bridge so it wasn’t an add on after the purchase.
Posted by: Piper at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (aT5K/)
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McRaven then spoke about how his mother had talked to him about some of the great things that this country has done, including Grant’s “grace and compassion at Appomattox,” about MacArthur’s enlightened policies toward the Japanese, and about the Berlin airlift and the Marshall Plan. McRaven then noted, “We were able to reconcile with the Japanese; we were able to reconcile with the Germans; we were able to reconcile between the North and the South; and now you’re telling me that we can’t reconcile among American people between Trump and Biden? I think we’re better than that.”
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LISTEN, YOU IMBECILE--THE FUCKING PROGS CAUSED *ALL* OF THAT!!!
They decided that their worst enemy was people who voted differently.
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LISTEN, YOU IMBECILE--THE FUCKING PROGS CAUSED *ALL* OF THAT!!!
They decided that their worst enemy was people who voted differently.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (krQz2)
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likely foreclosing the chances for a rate cut from the Federal Reserve early this summer.
Foreclosing?
Foreclosing?
Posted by: spindrift at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (OguvZ)
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"Every five miles or so a huge mountain of salt off to the side of the road."
I told my young son that those were for when the snails and slugs invade.
I told my young son that those were for when the snails and slugs invade.
Posted by: pawn at June 07, 2024 12:08 PM (QB+5g)
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John Foster Dulles was secretary of state while his brother, Allen Dulles, was director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this book, Stephen Kinzer places their extraordinary lives against the background of American culture and history. He uses the framework of biography to ask: Why does the United States behave as it does in the world?
A book worth reading - The Brothers.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (pZ64F)
Here, lemme save y'all some reading time.
They were pieces of shit who caused as much damage to the American Republic as anybody.
There. Done.
A book worth reading - The Brothers.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 07, 2024 12:02 PM (pZ64F)
Here, lemme save y'all some reading time.
They were pieces of shit who caused as much damage to the American Republic as anybody.
There. Done.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:08 PM (9UJHz)
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The real number is 41,000 jobs created, and none of them were full time jobs. Full time jobs FELL by over 600K.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07, 2024 12:05 PM (lTGtQ)
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41,000 jobs created for illegal aliens!
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07, 2024 12:05 PM (lTGtQ)
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41,000 jobs created for illegal aliens!
Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 07, 2024 12:08 PM (NGa9E)
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Honestly, provided that some high percentage... say 90% of the income goes toward the maintenance/upkeep of the road, I don't care. Better that than other use taxes (gasoline comes to mind) which go into the general revenue fund to be spent on whatever or are collected out of proportion to the usage of the service.
If I drive 100 miles on a toll road and an EV drives the same 100 miles, we both pay the same amount towards its upkeep.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (IUd0M)
One big problem with toll roads is that the road builder has to acquire the land. Some may be freely sold, but undoubtedly some will have to be obtained in a hostile manner by way of eminent domain. In which case the corporation building the road uses the power of government and the courts to get land purchased at a more favorable price.
If I drive 100 miles on a toll road and an EV drives the same 100 miles, we both pay the same amount towards its upkeep.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 07, 2024 11:10 AM (IUd0M)
One big problem with toll roads is that the road builder has to acquire the land. Some may be freely sold, but undoubtedly some will have to be obtained in a hostile manner by way of eminent domain. In which case the corporation building the road uses the power of government and the courts to get land purchased at a more favorable price.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (vegAM)
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A New York City man has caught a form of sexually transmitted ringworm — the first known case in the U.S., researchers have announced.
Health experts are warning medical providers of the highly contagious fungal skin infection, scientifically referred to as Trichophyton mentagrophytes type VII (TMVII).
Health experts are warning medical providers of the highly contagious fungal skin infection, scientifically referred to as Trichophyton mentagrophytes type VII (TMVII).
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (RHGPo)
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"Every five miles or so a huge mountain of salt off to the side of the road."
In my fantasy, that would be the remains of people who looked back at Babylon DC when fleeing God's Holy Wrath being executed.
In my fantasy, that would be the remains of people who looked back at Babylon DC when fleeing God's Holy Wrath being executed.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (iruKY)
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Her Majesty regularly bitches about the Hardy Toll Road having twists and turns when it could be straight. I told her if it was a straight shot from Spring to Houston, people would be bombing down it like it was the Mulsanne Straight at Le Mans.
Her Majesty regularly bitches about the Hardy Toll Road having twists and turns when it could be straight. I told her if it was a straight shot from Spring to Houston, people would be bombing down it like it was the Mulsanne Straight at Le Mans.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (MoZTd)
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272 A New York City man has caught a form of sexually transmitted ringworm — the first known case in the U.S., researchers have announced.
Health experts are warning medical providers of the highly contagious fungal skin infection, scientifically referred to as Trichophyton mentagrophytes type VII (TMVII).
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (RHGPo)
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$5 says he's gay.
Health experts are warning medical providers of the highly contagious fungal skin infection, scientifically referred to as Trichophyton mentagrophytes type VII (TMVII).
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (RHGPo)
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$5 says he's gay.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (GBKbO)
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likely foreclosing the chances for a rate cut from the Federal Reserve early this summer.
Foreclosing?
Posted by: spindrift at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (OguvZ)
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Auto-correct for Foreskinning?
Foreclosing?
Posted by: spindrift at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (OguvZ)
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Auto-correct for Foreskinning?
Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (NGa9E)
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And yet the unemployment rate went up to 4 %
Posted by: it's me donna at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (Akjoo)
I think they figure out the unemployment rate by cutting the head off a chicken, letting it run around on a board with a bunch of numbers on it, and wherever the body lands, that's your unemployment rate.
Posted by: it's me donna at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (Akjoo)
I think they figure out the unemployment rate by cutting the head off a chicken, letting it run around on a board with a bunch of numbers on it, and wherever the body lands, that's your unemployment rate.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (9UJHz)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (2ocoG)
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My vehicle is black. It's not allowed to go anywhere I don't let it.
I shall denounce myself.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024
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My car is red. Should I apologize to the American Indian Movement, or to specific tribes?
My vehicle is black. It's not allowed to go anywhere I don't let it.
I shall denounce myself.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024
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My car is red. Should I apologize to the American Indian Movement, or to specific tribes?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (J2vNu)
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If I drive 100 miles on a toll road and an EV drives the same 100 miles, we both pay the same amount towards its upkeep.
But the EV does more damage to the roads.
But the EV does more damage to the roads.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (iruKY)
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The only thing worse than driving across Indiana is having to pay to do so.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (fvCJX)
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Of the 272,000 jobs supposedly created, 241,000 were imputed jobs from small business openings. How many small businesses do you think opened in the past month, with 7% interest rates and nobody having disposable income.
The real number is 41,000 jobs created, and none of them were full time jobs. Full time jobs FELL by over 600K.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07
Note an SBA loan is not just prime. It’s prime plus. The lowest interest on an SBA loan right now is 11%. My SBA loan has increased by $800 a month.
The real number is 41,000 jobs created, and none of them were full time jobs. Full time jobs FELL by over 600K.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 07
Note an SBA loan is not just prime. It’s prime plus. The lowest interest on an SBA loan right now is 11%. My SBA loan has increased by $800 a month.
Posted by: Piper at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (aT5K/)
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277 And yet the unemployment rate went up to 4 %
Posted by: it's me donna at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (Akjoo)
I think they figure out the unemployment rate by cutting the head off a chicken, letting it run around on a board with a bunch of numbers on it, and wherever the body lands, that's your unemployment rate.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (9UJHz)
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Nah.
It'd actually change more that way.
"Keep it near 4 no matter what," is the mantra.
Posted by: it's me donna at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (Akjoo)
I think they figure out the unemployment rate by cutting the head off a chicken, letting it run around on a board with a bunch of numbers on it, and wherever the body lands, that's your unemployment rate.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (9UJHz)
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Nah.
It'd actually change more that way.
"Keep it near 4 no matter what," is the mantra.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (GBKbO)
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A New York City man has caught a form of sexually transmitted ringworm — the first known case in the U.S., researchers have announced.
Health experts are warning medical providers of the highly contagious fungal skin infection, scientifically referred to as Trichophyton mentagrophytes type VII (TMVII).
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (RHGPo)
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$5 says he's gay.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (GBKbO)
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He should have worn a mask ...
Out: Monkeypox Orgies!
In: Mentagrophytes Orgies!
Health experts are warning medical providers of the highly contagious fungal skin infection, scientifically referred to as Trichophyton mentagrophytes type VII (TMVII).
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (RHGPo)
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$5 says he's gay.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (GBKbO)
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He should have worn a mask ...
Out: Monkeypox Orgies!
In: Mentagrophytes Orgies!
Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 07, 2024 12:12 PM (NGa9E)
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" >Women who can't abort their babies are slaves to the patriarchy who won't let them have autonomy over their own bodies ". Um, well, you know, they could not lay down with every swinging phallus that wanders down the sidewalk. Of course that would also require some self control, so.
Posted by: Edward at June 07, 2024 12:12 PM (93DJn)
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this is where things quickly took a turn for the bizarre because while the headline payrolls number was clearly - and purposefully - stellar, the unemployment unexpectedly increased from 3.9% to 4.0%.
How is this possible? Simple: as we explained earlier, it had to do with the staggering divergence between the Establishment and Household Surveys, with the former surging 272K while the latter tumbling 408K...
How is this possible? Simple: as we explained earlier, it had to do with the staggering divergence between the Establishment and Household Surveys, with the former surging 272K while the latter tumbling 408K...
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:12 PM (RHGPo)
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I think they figure out the unemployment rate by cutting the head off a chicken, letting it run around on a board with a bunch of numbers on it, and wherever the body lands, that's your unemployment rate.
That is an improvement over the old way of poking a stick at a pile of racoon scat and noting the movement of the maggots.
That is an improvement over the old way of poking a stick at a pile of racoon scat and noting the movement of the maggots.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 07, 2024 12:12 PM (iruKY)
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McRaven closing statement:
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Just a show of faith…. Stay away from our institutions. You know every time you undermine the judicial system, every time you undermine one of our institutions, you undermine America…. So, to say this was not a fair trial undermines the most important institution that we have and that’s our judicial system.
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DC undermines America. You're criticizing The People--the same People that DC is annoyed with. It is American that The People control more of the government than less.
And this is where the divide happens. Between people who favor the big state because they have become clients and benefactors of the state and other people who want *responsiveness* of government restored--like being able to elect the HEAD of the executive branch as they please!
Damn this guy is a total dupe or shill.
I will show "faith" when DC decided that it is has gone too far down the rabbit-hole of ignoring the Constitution--and takes steps to STOP ignoring the Constitution.
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Just a show of faith…. Stay away from our institutions. You know every time you undermine the judicial system, every time you undermine one of our institutions, you undermine America…. So, to say this was not a fair trial undermines the most important institution that we have and that’s our judicial system.
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DC undermines America. You're criticizing The People--the same People that DC is annoyed with. It is American that The People control more of the government than less.
And this is where the divide happens. Between people who favor the big state because they have become clients and benefactors of the state and other people who want *responsiveness* of government restored--like being able to elect the HEAD of the executive branch as they please!
Damn this guy is a total dupe or shill.
I will show "faith" when DC decided that it is has gone too far down the rabbit-hole of ignoring the Constitution--and takes steps to STOP ignoring the Constitution.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:12 PM (krQz2)
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Funny thing happened when a bunch of Veterans of the revolutionary war objected to being taxed to pay for the war.
Washington sent troops to let them know who was boss.
The king is dead. You work for ME now.
Posted by: BurtTC
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The whisky rebellion was more complicated than that. Simply put, the Constitution explicitly granted the national government the power to excise taxes. The farmers over the hill in PA felt it was their god given right to distill grain and then transport it to thirsty Philly without paying federal excise taxes on it like everyone else had to do.
There is a reason that commerce is not considered a natural right of humans but more of a privilege that can be regulated by the state.
BTW, Andrew Jackson did the same thing in his time by threatening to send US troops to South Carolina when they threatened action to prevent the fedgov from collecting U.S. tariffs (the tariffs of abomination) on imports sent to SC ports.
Washington sent troops to let them know who was boss.
The king is dead. You work for ME now.
Posted by: BurtTC
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The whisky rebellion was more complicated than that. Simply put, the Constitution explicitly granted the national government the power to excise taxes. The farmers over the hill in PA felt it was their god given right to distill grain and then transport it to thirsty Philly without paying federal excise taxes on it like everyone else had to do.
There is a reason that commerce is not considered a natural right of humans but more of a privilege that can be regulated by the state.
BTW, Andrew Jackson did the same thing in his time by threatening to send US troops to South Carolina when they threatened action to prevent the fedgov from collecting U.S. tariffs (the tariffs of abomination) on imports sent to SC ports.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:13 PM (WwRol)
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275 $5 says he's gay.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (GBKbO
Collect your prize at the counter. This is prevalent in males who have sex with males and seen frequently in India. There are growing cases in Europe now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:10 PM (GBKbO
Collect your prize at the counter. This is prevalent in males who have sex with males and seen frequently in India. There are growing cases in Europe now.
Posted by: Piper at June 07, 2024 12:13 PM (aT5K/)
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My car is red. Should I apologize to the American Indian Movement, or to specific tribes?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (J2vNu)
I traded in my red vehicle for a black one.
If that's not a metaphor of the evil white man, I don't know what is.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (J2vNu)
I traded in my red vehicle for a black one.
If that's not a metaphor of the evil white man, I don't know what is.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:13 PM (9UJHz)
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They were pieces of shit who caused as much damage to the American Republic as anybody.
There. Done.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:08 PM (9UJHz)
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Correct.
There. Done.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:08 PM (9UJHz)
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Correct.
Posted by: ballistic at June 07, 2024 12:13 PM (oqH4h)
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When a private company owns it, all you can do is bend over.
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I'm...I'm not paying that kind of toll!
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I'm...I'm not paying that kind of toll!
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:14 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 07, 2024 12:15 PM (MoZTd)
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Israel officialy added to UN 'Blacklist'
Posted by: Braenyard - at June 07, 2024 12:15 PM (YdEcD)
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Just a show of faith…. Stay away from our institutions. You know every time you undermine the judicial system, every time you undermine one of our institutions, you undermine America
This retard believes that people should respect the skin suit.
That is, if we point out that the system has been utterly corrupted, we are the Bad Guys, not the ones who corrupted the institution.
This retard believes that people should respect the skin suit.
That is, if we point out that the system has been utterly corrupted, we are the Bad Guys, not the ones who corrupted the institution.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 07, 2024 12:15 PM (iruKY)
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John Kirby is (was) an admiral.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 07, 2024 12:15 PM (63Dwl)
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287 That is an improvement over the old way of poking a stick at a pile of racoon scat and noting the movement of the maggots.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
They monitor ADTs payroll processing as they are the largest processor. However, they are also the most expensive so most small business don’t use them. Quicken is a popular one for small business but they are a pain in the tail. I use Patriot Software.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
They monitor ADTs payroll processing as they are the largest processor. However, they are also the most expensive so most small business don’t use them. Quicken is a popular one for small business but they are a pain in the tail. I use Patriot Software.
Posted by: Piper at June 07, 2024 12:15 PM (aT5K/)
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Women who can't abort their babies are slaves to the patriarchy who won't let them have autonomy over their own bodies ". Um, well, you know, they could not lay down with every swinging phallus that wanders down the sidewalk. Of course that would also require some self control, so.
American feminism is based on the cargo-cult observation that Dem politicians have no-protection sex with everything that moves, and they're rich and powerful. Therefore women can become rich and powerful by having no-protection sex with everything that moves. And not letting them get abortions afterwards is trying to restrict womens' ability to become rich and powerful.
American feminism is based on the cargo-cult observation that Dem politicians have no-protection sex with everything that moves, and they're rich and powerful. Therefore women can become rich and powerful by having no-protection sex with everything that moves. And not letting them get abortions afterwards is trying to restrict womens' ability to become rich and powerful.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 07, 2024 12:15 PM (2ocoG)
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Nah.
It'd actually change more that way.
"Keep it near 4 no matter what," is the mantra.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (GBKbO)
Right, so with a Democrat in the White House, all the numbers on the board are 3.5 - 4.5.
It'd actually change more that way.
"Keep it near 4 no matter what," is the mantra.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 07, 2024 12:11 PM (GBKbO)
Right, so with a Democrat in the White House, all the numbers on the board are 3.5 - 4.5.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:15 PM (9UJHz)
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So, Admiral McRaven would be OK with a Roland Freisler style court proceeding? Because otherwise that would be undermining the judicial system. Good to know...the guy's a complete dumbass.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at June 07, 2024 12:16 PM (XMwZJ)
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Damn this guy is a total dupe or shill.
I will show "faith" when DC decided that it is has gone too far down the rabbit-hole of ignoring the Constitution--and takes steps to STOP ignoring the Constitution.
Posted by: Axeman
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Obama era Admiral. That is one of the reasons that that pensions for officers in the Revolutionary era were controversial in the Congress of the time. There was a fear that a large group of former officers would constitute its own interest group and use their connections to become a new class of royalty. See the controversy over Washington and the Society of Cincinatti as an example.
I will show "faith" when DC decided that it is has gone too far down the rabbit-hole of ignoring the Constitution--and takes steps to STOP ignoring the Constitution.
Posted by: Axeman
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Obama era Admiral. That is one of the reasons that that pensions for officers in the Revolutionary era were controversial in the Congress of the time. There was a fear that a large group of former officers would constitute its own interest group and use their connections to become a new class of royalty. See the controversy over Washington and the Society of Cincinatti as an example.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:16 PM (WwRol)
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297 John Kirby is (was) an admiral.
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He is Itty Bitty too. I met him at our local Indian Restaurant. he must live around my neighborhood. Nay Bor.
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He is Itty Bitty too. I met him at our local Indian Restaurant. he must live around my neighborhood. Nay Bor.
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 07, 2024 12:16 PM (pZ64F)
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Biden's Top Antitrust Enforcer To 'Urgently' Scrutinize AI Sector For Monopoly Risks
"Sometimes the most meaningful intervention is when the intervention is in real-time."
... my bet .. they are looking for "parking" for soon-to-be ex-Biden administration appointees
"Sometimes the most meaningful intervention is when the intervention is in real-time."
... my bet .. they are looking for "parking" for soon-to-be ex-Biden administration appointees
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:16 PM (RHGPo)
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There is a reason that commerce is not considered a natural right of humans but more of a privilege that can be regulated by the state.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:13 PM (WwRol)
Yeah, I know there's a reason for it. That reason is, the constitution never meant what it said it meant.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:13 PM (WwRol)
Yeah, I know there's a reason for it. That reason is, the constitution never meant what it said it meant.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2024 12:16 PM (9UJHz)
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Good to know...the guy's a complete dumbass.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at June 07, 2024 12:16 PM (XMwZJ)
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As I said, dupe or shill (thus forced to look like a dumbass because of party line).
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at June 07, 2024 12:16 PM (XMwZJ)
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As I said, dupe or shill (thus forced to look like a dumbass because of party line).
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:17 PM (krQz2)
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They decided that their worst enemy was people who voted differently.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (krQz2)
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I enjoyed his commencement speech at UT, but the other day I heard him on television saying he dislikes Trump. He acted like an ass.
Posted by: Axeman at June 07, 2024 12:07 PM (krQz2)
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I enjoyed his commencement speech at UT, but the other day I heard him on television saying he dislikes Trump. He acted like an ass.
Posted by: redridinghood at June 07, 2024 12:17 PM (lEGrV)
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Oz Tzion residents say Arabs left the mosque in the village of Burqa and set fires that nearly reached the homes of the Jewish community. Residents and volunteers from the area managed to extinguish the flames.
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Posted by: Braenyard - at June 07, 2024 12:17 PM (YdEcD)
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A New York City man has caught a form of sexually transmitted ringworm — the first known case in the U.S., researchers have announced.
Health experts are warning medical providers of the highly contagious fungal skin infection, scientifically referred to as Trichophyton mentagrophytes type VII (TMVII).
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (RHGPo)
Don't leave out the part where the patient admitted to being a sex tourist and having sex with men overseas.
Health experts are warning medical providers of the highly contagious fungal skin infection, scientifically referred to as Trichophyton mentagrophytes type VII (TMVII).
Posted by: SMOD at June 07, 2024 12:09 PM (RHGPo)
Don't leave out the part where the patient admitted to being a sex tourist and having sex with men overseas.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 07, 2024 12:18 PM (FCbAQ)
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301 So, Admiral McRaven would be OK with a Roland Freisler style court proceeding? Because otherwise that would be undermining the judicial system. Good to know...the guy's a complete dumbass.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent
His idea of democracy is that of teh CIA. Essentially, the whole concept of 'protected' democracy derived from the idea that the military generals were the protectors of democracy and thus had a rightful veto on actions that they thought hurt it. Actually embedded into quite a few constitutions in Latin countries and of course in Turkey where the original concept of the Deep State was developed.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent
His idea of democracy is that of teh CIA. Essentially, the whole concept of 'protected' democracy derived from the idea that the military generals were the protectors of democracy and thus had a rightful veto on actions that they thought hurt it. Actually embedded into quite a few constitutions in Latin countries and of course in Turkey where the original concept of the Deep State was developed.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:18 PM (WwRol)
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I saw The Tariffs of Abomination open for The Wicked Tinkers at the Scottish Highland Games in 2014.
Posted by: ShainS -- Make Mean Tweets Great Again! at June 07, 2024 12:19 PM (NGa9E)
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Posted by: Ian S. at June 07, 2024 12:15 PM (2ocoG)
Also that women as life givers should have sole power over life and death. Which you'd think would be more controversial than it is.
Also that women as life givers should have sole power over life and death. Which you'd think would be more controversial than it is.
Posted by: ... at June 07, 2024 12:20 PM (+yplR)
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Yeah, I know there's a reason for it. That reason is, the constitution never meant what it said it meant.
Posted by: BurtTC
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In the case of excise taxes, the constitution explicitly grants the feds that power. Have little sympathy for those distillers in Western PA that wanted government troops to protect them from the Indians but didn't want to pay for it.
I don't particularly like taxes anymore than others do but I don't reject the concept of having to pay for what you get in government services. What I object to is when the government sluices off a percentage to favor groups over others.
Posted by: BurtTC
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In the case of excise taxes, the constitution explicitly grants the feds that power. Have little sympathy for those distillers in Western PA that wanted government troops to protect them from the Indians but didn't want to pay for it.
I don't particularly like taxes anymore than others do but I don't reject the concept of having to pay for what you get in government services. What I object to is when the government sluices off a percentage to favor groups over others.
Posted by: whig at June 07, 2024 12:22 PM (WwRol)
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Kevin Dalton
@TheKevinDalton
Father of four executed as gunman walks down California street indiscriminately firing at random cars.
If only this happened in Texas or Florida so Gavin Newsom would pretend to care…
https://shorturl.at/jIANm
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Video at link.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (L/fGl)
Note to Kevin Dalton: the term is "murdered", dipshit, not "executed".
@TheKevinDalton
Father of four executed as gunman walks down California street indiscriminately firing at random cars.
If only this happened in Texas or Florida so Gavin Newsom would pretend to care…
https://shorturl.at/jIANm
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Video at link.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024 at June 07, 2024 11:48 AM (L/fGl)
Note to Kevin Dalton: the term is "murdered", dipshit, not "executed".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 07, 2024 12:31 PM (NhG0j)
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If I grow my own tomatoes in Iowa, I don’t buy any from California.
Ergo, that means the federal government can regulate how many tomatoes I can grow. This is the twisted pretzel logic some clown in a robe decreed lo so many years ago.
Not engaging in Interstate Commerce, why, that’s really engaging in Interstate Commerce! It’s right there, in them thar Emanations and Penumbras, right next to the Good And Plenty Santa Clause
Ergo, that means the federal government can regulate how many tomatoes I can grow. This is the twisted pretzel logic some clown in a robe decreed lo so many years ago.
Not engaging in Interstate Commerce, why, that’s really engaging in Interstate Commerce! It’s right there, in them thar Emanations and Penumbras, right next to the Good And Plenty Santa Clause
Posted by: Common Tater at June 07, 2024 01:00 PM (sNauO)
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Guys - $15 bucks is a small price to pay to get the weather all dialed in all comfortable like 150 years from now. You want Manhattan under water or somethin’?
Posted by: Common Tater at June 07, 2024 01:02 PM (sNauO)
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They can’t build those forever toll roads fast enough in Texas
Wisconsin, by law, has zero tolls
Wisconsin, by law, has zero tolls
Posted by: Gonzotx at June 07, 2024 01:04 PM (ZNRWO)
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I know I'm late, but we have the 407 in Ontario, which basically skirts most of Toronto. It was built by the provincial government, then sold off to private investors for $3.1B in 1999 - barely after completion - to put some cash in the province's coffers.
Since then, the private ownership has done a good job of maintaining the highway, but continues to jack up the rates, charge people falsely, etc.
I have suggested the province simply take the road back. The investors have made a huge pile of cash in 20 years, and if they don't like it, let them raise an army and come fight us for it.
Since then, the private ownership has done a good job of maintaining the highway, but continues to jack up the rates, charge people falsely, etc.
I have suggested the province simply take the road back. The investors have made a huge pile of cash in 20 years, and if they don't like it, let them raise an army and come fight us for it.
Posted by: The_Hoser at June 07, 2024 01:34 PM (N66D6)
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“ If a new highway is built, and it is tolled until the construction bonds are paid for, that would even be acceptable to many toll-haters.”
The tolls never go away because new bonds are issued before the old bonds expire. The enabling language in the referendum to approve a toll says the tolls continue until all debt is expired. Unless they are prohibited from issuing new debt, they can keep borrowing and tolling - forever!
The tolls never go away because new bonds are issued before the old bonds expire. The enabling language in the referendum to approve a toll says the tolls continue until all debt is expired. Unless they are prohibited from issuing new debt, they can keep borrowing and tolling - forever!
Posted by: Jake Speed at June 07, 2024 02:00 PM (POTzq)
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They don't need any stupid Climate Tax they need No More Taxes and No More Liberal Democrats
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 07, 2024 04:21 PM (wGqjj)
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" A New York City man has caught a form of sexually transmitted ringworm — the first known case in the U.S., researchers have announced ". Brings to mind that meme," play stupid games win stupid prizes ".
Posted by: Edward at June 07, 2024 04:49 PM (93DJn)
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Texas is the fucking worst at this. DFW has so many toll roads it's absurd, and none of them will ever go away. The 635 LBJ freeway has a gorgeous underground one that is expensive as hell. So much so no one drives on it. It's too expensive even for Dallasites & that's saying something.
Posted by: Mr. Fabulist at June 07, 2024 06:05 PM (kIwCj)
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Just don’t nobody move down here unless ya got a boat.
Posted by: Donald at June 07, 2024 08:05 PM (ZqHeU)
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If you drive down Fort Morgan Road you’ll meet characters out of Deliverance. For your own sake Yankees, stay away.
Posted by: Donald at June 07, 2024 08:18 PM (ZqHeU)
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Well, the toll collector is an archaic occupation headed toward the same fate as the blacksmith and electric meter reader.
However, the advent of toll by mail based on camera shots of your license plate brings with it a new scam:
Imagine you are on the first leg of a lengthy road trip taking you on a toll road or crossing not too far from your starting point. You arrive at your destination where you plan to spend a month or two (maybe your summer home several hundred miles away). When you get home you find a bill for the toll which also includes a penalty fee of $50-100 for not paying on time.
This already happened to me. I paid the toll, but not the late fee, and I haven't gotten any threats from them since. Others might not be so lucky.
However, the advent of toll by mail based on camera shots of your license plate brings with it a new scam:
Imagine you are on the first leg of a lengthy road trip taking you on a toll road or crossing not too far from your starting point. You arrive at your destination where you plan to spend a month or two (maybe your summer home several hundred miles away). When you get home you find a bill for the toll which also includes a penalty fee of $50-100 for not paying on time.
This already happened to me. I paid the toll, but not the late fee, and I haven't gotten any threats from them since. Others might not be so lucky.
Posted by: Ash is a damn robot! at June 08, 2024 12:06 AM (p2DNF)
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TBH, MeeMaw had a lot of Federal money laying around, otherwise that purchase would have never happened.
Posted by: OutspokenRed at June 08, 2024 09:42 AM (5P7YR)
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Are you asking, "What is the hero intuition text? What's the 12 Word Hero Instinct Text? Relationship skilled James Bauer, in his e-book His Secret Obsession, introduces the idea of the hero intuition, from which the 12-phrase text is derived. Getting him again is challenging when a man perceives himself as unimportant in a relationship. Asking a man for assist exhibits that you belief him and imagine he will assist you to. 9. I trust in You. 2. Emphasize trust: State explicitly how a lot confidence and belief you could have in him to make all the pieces better. Potential is the one thing that can achieve people’s trust. Because of a biological urge, each man feels compelled to
bodily sciences, he solves complex issues by making
issues out of peculiar objects, alongside together with
his ever-present Swiss Army knife, duct tape, and occasionally
matches. It'll tell you all the things you should
know to have him consuming out of the palm of your fingers.
Tell him what impresses you. Tell your man how important he's to you whenever you talk to him, significantly if he tells you how necessary you're to him.
Are you asking, "What is the hero intuition text? What's the 12 Word Hero Instinct Text? Relationship skilled James Bauer, in his e-book His Secret Obsession, introduces the idea of the hero intuition, from which the 12-phrase text is derived. Getting him again is challenging when a man perceives himself as unimportant in a relationship. Asking a man for assist exhibits that you belief him and imagine he will assist you to. 9. I trust in You. 2. Emphasize trust: State explicitly how a lot confidence and belief you could have in him to make all the pieces better. Potential is the one thing that can achieve people’s trust. Because of a biological urge, each man feels compelled to
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