Politico: School Choice Has Allowed Parents to Choose Good Schools in Florida, and Now the Bad Government Schools Are Closing, and That's... Bad, for Some Reason.

But liberals really care about the children and not just the government workers, right?

Gov. Ron DeSantis and Florida Republicans have spent years aggressively turning the state into a haven for school choice. They have been wildly successful, with tens of thousands more children enrolling in private or charter schools or homeschooling.
Now as those programs balloon, some of Florida's largest school districts are facing staggering enrollment declines -- and grappling with the possibility of campus closures -- as dollars follow the increasing number of parents opting out of traditional public schools.
The emphasis on these programs has been central to DeSantis' goals of remaking the Florida education system, and they are poised for another year of growth. DeSantis' school policies are already influencing other GOP-leaning states, many of which have pursued similar voucher programs. But Florida has served as a conservative laboratory for a suite of other policies, ranging from attacking public- and private-sector diversity programs to fighting the Biden administration on immigration.
"We need some big changes throughout the country," DeSantis said Thursday evening at the Florida Homeschool Convention in Kissimmee. "Florida has shown a blueprint, and we really can be an engine for that as other states work to adopt a lot of the policies that we've done."
Education officials in some of the state's largest counties are looking to scale back costs by repurposing or outright closing campuses -- including in Broward, Duval and Miami-Dade counties. Even as some communities rally to try to save their local public schools, traditional public schools are left with empty seats and budget crunches.
Since 2019-20, when the pandemic upended education, some 53,000 students have left traditional public schools in these counties, a sizable total that is forcing school leaders to consider closing campuses that have been entrenched in local communities for years.
In Broward County, Florida's second-largest school district, officials have floated plans to close up to 42 campuses over the next few years, moves that would have a ripple effect across Fort Lauderdale and Hollywood.
The district has lost more than 20,000 students over the last five years, a decline that comes as charter schools in particular experienced sizable growth in the area. Enrollment in charters, which are public schools operating under performance contracts freeing them of many state regulations, increased by nearly 27,000 students since 2010, according to Broward school officials.

Broward County Public Schools claims to have more than 49,000 classroom seats sitting empty this year, a number that "closely matches" the 49,833 students attending charter schools in the area, officials noted in an enrollment overview.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:01 PM

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1 first.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 27, 2024 03:03 PM (QNSds)

2 Huh....didn't stop to read the comments this time.

But I agree, home school your kids if you can and let the public schools wither adapt or fail. My taxes are going to go up either way.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 27, 2024 03:04 PM (QNSds)

3 What Florida schools need is a million illegals with polio and TB.

Posted by: Jamaica at May 27, 2024 03:06 PM (IG7T0)

4 While moving kids to private school or magnets or whatever is fun, the teachers are the same Dewey-mal-educated dolts from Skools of Ed, the cohort with the lowest IQ and SATs of academic students in any college. Home schooling is the only way we're going to have any educated voters in a generation.

Stopping kids moving to alternatives away from the uber-corrupt commie school unions won't fix the problem. Dems just aren't having kids, and, unfortunately, R women are following them... no kids = no schools. SF has been closing elementary schools for decades as they've been running out of kids.

Posted by: Alexander Scipio at May 27, 2024 03:08 PM (NX5U7)

5 It should be better to teach smaller classrooms. It’s a win win.

But of course if a Republican cured cancer the Left would complain it caused hospitals anc medical workers to lose their jobs.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:08 PM (SHMXB)

6 School Choice Has Allowed Parents to Choose Good Schools in Florida, and Now the Bad Government Schools Are Closing, and
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Why don't they just raise taxes then?
- typical lib

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 27, 2024 03:09 PM (cOq4q)

7 My mom was a school teacher in the Midwest for many, many, many years. She was for school choice, very, very, very much in favor of it. For precisely this reason. This was over thirty years ago.

Posted by: Someone Else at May 27, 2024 03:09 PM (IrqeV)

8 Abolish the Federal Dept. of Ed. and allow public schools the same latitude as charter schools.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at May 27, 2024 03:09 PM (DBrq6)

9 Posted by: Alexander Scipio at May 27, 2024 03:08 PM (NX5U7)

No they aren’t the same teachers and the schools aren’t required to put up with the problems destroying the public schools.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:10 PM (SHMXB)

10 Liberals really do care about children, just not the way traditional Americans do.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:10 PM (fkuu7)

11 This is why I didn't back Desantis for president. He is building the path that other red states can follow. Yes he has a very sympatico legislature. But this is how we end the communist take over. It just needed the right man at the right time in the right place. Desantis is that man and Florida is that place. He would have been shackled in the White House. The gope would dick punch him the same as they do any Republican president that wants actual change.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 27, 2024 03:11 PM (4XwPj)

12 Dear Horde, thank you for not nooding.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 27, 2024 03:11 PM (v6JzV)

13 Here's your battleground: What can be separated from government and its control, and what cannot.

There are many who will not give it up. Fine. But if your party is trying to hold onto it, when there is no justification for it, other than that's how it's always been, and people might lose their jobs, you're on the other side.

Choose wisely, Republicans.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:11 PM (hkbaI)

14 Early OT but Bill Walton passed away. Only 71.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:12 PM (SHMXB)

15 Close public Cultural Marxist Seminaries

Posted by: Skip at May 27, 2024 03:12 PM (fwDg9)

16 >>> Dems just aren't having kids, and, unfortunately, R women are following them
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Upper middle class women are having as many children now as they ever did. It's the middle class that have been deluded into the no children or day school children as a lifestyle.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:13 PM (fkuu7)

17 *tap, tap, tap.*

Nope, my Give-A-Shit Meter is not on the fritz.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:13 PM (WXNFJ)

18 It's bad for the same reason higher literacy and lower crime and a strong economy with good jobs for everyone and pro self defense locales are bad.

All of it eats into government make work jobs.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Minus religion, name one benefit US males get with marriage at May 27, 2024 03:13 PM (/CQBg)

19 Early OT but Bill Walton passed away. Only 71.
Posted by: polynikes

I thought he was only 6'11".

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:14 PM (WXNFJ)

20 Upper middle class women are having as many children now as they ever did. It's the middle class that have been deluded into the no children or day school children as a lifestyle.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:13 PM (fkuu7)

They actually might be looking at whether they can afford to raise a family.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:15 PM (SHMXB)

21 Re the previous thread: Herleva of Falaise was the mother of Wiiliam the Conqueror.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 27, 2024 03:15 PM (v6JzV)

22 >>>Desantis is that man and Florida is that place. He would have been shackled in the White House. The gope would dick punch him the same as they do any Republican president that wants actual change.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench)
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Yes. Absolutely. He is the tip of the spear for other states to follow.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:16 PM (fkuu7)

23 Re: Alexander Scipio's remark

Good observation.

Right now, most private school teachers do NOT need a degree in "education." A person with a degree in mathematics can teach mathematics. But as public schools start closing, states' boards of education will start making it a requirement that in order for private schools to be accredited, the teachers have to have the same useless education degree. Which is where the Marxist brainwashing happens.

What is really needed is to destroy the state boards of education. And the US Department of Education. If education is put back in the hands of the local people, the situation should improve.

Posted by: Someone Else at May 27, 2024 03:16 PM (IrqeV)

24 While moving kids to private school or magnets or whatever is fun, the teachers are the same Dewey-mal-educated dolts from Skools of Ed, the cohort with the lowest IQ and SATs of academic students in any college. Home schooling is the only way we're going to have any educated voters in a generation.

Do you really think private schools put up with the nonsense that the teacher unions force on public schools? Mediocre or troublesome teachers are fired in private schools. They're promoted to central office administrators in public schools.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 27, 2024 03:16 PM (CsUN+)

25 Early OT but Bill Walton passed away. Only 71.
Posted by: polynikes

I thought he was only 6'11".
Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:14 PM (WXNFJ)

6 feet under now.

Too soon?

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:17 PM (SHMXB)

26 HAH HAH!

/Nelson Muntz

Posted by: pookysgirl, Christian School mom at May 27, 2024 03:17 PM (dtlDP)

27 "We're gonna need millions MOAR illegal alien invaders and anchor babies flown to Florida cities, STAT!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 27, 2024 03:17 PM (bu09+)

28
I want a school choice program where I, the person actually funding schools, decides which school or schools gets my tax dollars.

I happen to have a top notch public school in my district, but it's slipping. Not dramatically but enough to be concerning. By pulling some dollars from them they might get the message.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2024 03:17 PM (RKVpM)

29 Do you really think private schools put up with the nonsense that the teacher unions force on public schools? Mediocre or troublesome teachers are fired in private schools. They're promoted to central office administrators in public schools.

Furthermore, in a state with a healthy private school ecosystem, if the parents don't like what the school offers, they move, and that schools goes out of business.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 27, 2024 03:17 PM (CsUN+)

30 >>>They actually might be looking at whether they can afford to raise a family.
Posted by: polynikes
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They can afford to raise a family.
They can't afford to raise a family and have their trinkets too.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:18 PM (fkuu7)

31 I skimmed this yesterday and did not see any percentage numbers.

That annoyed me since the information is useless unless we know the scale.
Well, I checked the FLA DOE website and there are about 2.6 million PK-12 students in the state, actually 2.8M, but the attendance is a bit lower.

That makes this a pretty small shift. Let's hope it is the start of a growing trend.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 27, 2024 03:18 PM (hJTFD)

32 "Bad schools" means bad admins and teachers/teaching. Closing those schools means those people will just spread their contagion elsewhere unless tracked closely and forced to go into something besides education.

Posted by: SamIam at May 27, 2024 03:19 PM (oasF3)

33 6 feet under now.

Too soon?
Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:17 PM (SHMXB)

Just like the golfer who suicided, we can probably say it's not the Covid shot.

Probably.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:19 PM (hkbaI)

34 I sincerely hope Mike Braun wins the governor job here and makes similar changes for Indiana. That rino globalist stooge Holcomb has been a disaster.
Hey, Eric, when democrats are praising your actions.... You. Are. Doing. It. Wrong.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 27, 2024 03:20 PM (4XwPj)

35 We're gonna need millions MOAR illegal alien invaders and anchor babies flown to Florida cities, STAT!"
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Imagine how much cheaper their lettuce will be!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Minus religion, name one benefit US males get with marriage at May 27, 2024 03:20 PM (31AxR)

36 In my previous locale, I paid approximately $14,000/year towards the public schools (through property taxes). I hadn't had a child in those schools for over ten years.

I had to move away to make a change to that. Voting with my feet as it were.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:20 PM (WXNFJ)

37 No scales, just scares.

The tone of the article seems to want to convey this as a huge problem, but other than a few numbers in reference to enrollment, nothing actually measured.

I don't have the numbers myself, but it would be interesting to know if, since this exodus from public schools, has there been any significant change in:
Test scores
Graduation Rates
College Acceptances
Overall Cost

Did the writers just not think to look at whether anything has changed, or did they just ignore it because citing statistics would undermine their attempts at frightening their readers?

Posted by: tankdemon at May 27, 2024 03:20 PM (5D4aW)

38 I grew up in Houston at a time public schools actually taught. We bought our first in Houston to be zoned to one of the finest (Bellaire) so our kids could attend. They graduated in the mid 90's when that particular school was turning out over 30 National Merit Scholars annually.

This year they made national headlines when their yearbook devoted two pages to the Oct. 7 Hamas invasion of Israel. It was authored by a pro-palistinian arab student. "What happened, happened" was the take away.

btw, Bellaire also has the highest number of Jewish kids in a public school in Houston.

Posted by: DanMan at May 27, 2024 03:20 PM (8uzBS)

39 They can afford to raise a family.
They can't afford to raise a family and have their trinkets too.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:18 PM (fkuu7)

So they’re not middle class.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:21 PM (SHMXB)

40 Bellaire is not part of Houston or the Houston school system.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:23 PM (fkuu7)

41 Posted by: DanMan at May 27, 2024 03:20 PM (8uzBS)

The State took over HISD.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:23 PM (SHMXB)

42 I grew up in Houston at a time public schools actually taught. We bought our first in Houston to be zoned to one of the finest (Bellaire) so our kids could attend. They graduated in the mid 90's when that particular school was turning out over 30 National Merit Scholars annually.

This year they made national headlines when their yearbook devoted two pages to the Oct. 7 Hamas invasion of Israel. It was authored by a pro-palistinian arab student. "What happened, happened" was the take away.

btw, Bellaire also has the highest number of Jewish kids in a public school in Houston.

Posted by: DanMan at May 27, 2024 03:20 PM

After my parents divorced I got to attend an inner city high school in Akron Ohio. About half of my graduating class literally could not read or write above the 4th or 5th grade level.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 27, 2024 03:23 PM (QNSds)

43 Voting with my feet as it were.
Posted by: Tonypete
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You talk like a Reaganite.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:24 PM (fkuu7)

44 25 6 feet under now.

Too soon?
Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:17 PM (SHMXB)

Yes too soon. They won't actually bury him for a couple of days, at least.

Posted by: tankdemon at May 27, 2024 03:24 PM (5D4aW)

45 Now the Bad Government Schools Are Closing, and That's... Bad, for Some Reason.

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What are the incompetents going to do if they can't teach?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 27, 2024 03:24 PM (L/fGl)

46 Every dollar in everyone's pockets and savings accounts and investment accounts is worth 50% of what it was worth in 2020. By 2030 that dollar will be worth 25c in 2020.

Young people trying to plan for kids and their future are likely being realistic.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Minus religion, name one benefit US males get with marriage at May 27, 2024 03:25 PM (31AxR)

47 Walkback: City of Bellaire participates with Houston schools.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:26 PM (fkuu7)

48 "Bellaire is not part of Houston or the Houston school system."

Bellaire HS is an HISD campus in the City of Bellaire.

Posted by: DanMan at May 27, 2024 03:26 PM (8uzBS)

49 About half of my graduating class literally could not read or write above the 4th or 5th grade level.
Posted by: Mister Scott

Just a guess - Buchtel?

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:26 PM (WXNFJ)

50 People that loose a government job may feel a little THX 113?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 27, 2024 03:27 PM (J8LnB)

51 You talk like a Reaganite.
Posted by: Braenyard

Oh no, I'm Catholic!

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:27 PM (WXNFJ)

52
They can afford to raise a family.
They can't afford to raise a family and have their trinkets too.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:18 PM

Whether it's leftist propaganda or not the latest estimate I've seen for the birth through college cost of each child is half a million dollars.

Decades ago now, I set up a check writing program for my wife. Laser printer checks, software. She did not believe me until recently and I showed her where she was cutting 30 checks a month for assorted activities for my son and daughter. Sports, uniforms, shoes, sneakers, sports equipment, tickets, class trips, books, sport camps, etc etc etc...

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2024 03:27 PM (RKVpM)

53 39 They can afford to raise a family.
They can't afford to raise a family and have their trinkets too.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:18 PM (fkuu7)

So they’re not middle class.
Posted by: polynikes
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Until WWII the 90% of average American income was spent on housing and food. They had no problem having large families.

Trinkets or die.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:28 PM (fkuu7)

54 I actually liked Bill Walton though he will always be a hippie athlete to me. He had great respect for a number of people I admire and seemed genuinely thoughtful of people’s feelings whether he agreed with them or not. I think he learned that from John Wooden.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:28 PM (SHMXB)

55 How long before the Democrats start bitching about racism as the public schools become increasingly minority in attendance - and performance goes into the crapper?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2024 03:29 PM (YqDXo)

56 Wonder what the definition of "good schools" is. Only "some" ghey shit or none at all? One day of drag queen story hour or none?

I mean... sometimes it's relative what people think is "good vs bad."

Generally, all that trans/ghey shit has to go or it's just posturing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 27, 2024 03:29 PM (Q4IgG)

57 " if a Republican cured cancer the Left would complain it caused hospitals anc medical workers to lose their jobs."

"I'm going to cure cancer in my second term. My word as a Biden" Old Uncle Joe

Posted by: illiniwek at May 27, 2024 03:29 PM (Cus5s)

58 Yes too soon. They won't actually bury him for a couple of days, at least.
Posted by: tankdemon at May 27, 2024 03:24 PM (5D4aW)

Heh

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:30 PM (SHMXB)

59

They should turn those empty public buildings into stripper schools...

Posted by: Rod Porkmore at May 27, 2024 03:30 PM (AXgQr)

60 When my kids were in school, the Superintendent was a hugely popular guy, super cool, able to convince everyone to raise taxes, built new buildings, etc.

Then he left for a richer district. The person who came in and replaced him, she was faced with budget deficits, because the fancy new buildings were more expensive than expected... and teachers insurance plan, which was self-funded, was running out of money.

Everyone hated her.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:30 PM (WQ6e2)

61 Decades ago now, I set up a check writing program for my wife. Laser printer checks, software. She did not believe me until recently and I showed her where she was cutting 30 checks a month for assorted activities for my son and daughter. Sports, uniforms, shoes, sneakers, sports equipment, tickets, class trips, books, sport camps, etc etc etc...
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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Those aren't necessary costs. Those are unnecessary expenses.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:31 PM (fkuu7)

62 They should turn those empty public buildings into stripper schools...
Posted by: Rod Porkmore

"Rod", you laugh, but there are now 'Dance' classes using stripper poles. Once again, the left has mainstreamed deviant and tawdry behavior for our young women.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:32 PM (WXNFJ)

63 Thank you, Governor Ron DeSantis!

Imagine what Florida would look like had Andrew Gillum won.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2024 03:32 PM (NpAcC)

64 Florida has a comparatively weak Department of Education. Most of the power is at the county level.

Ron didn’t have to do much.

Posted by: pawn at May 27, 2024 03:33 PM (b2e44)

65
Those aren't necessary costs. Those are unnecessary expenses.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:31 PM

Yeah, I guess it would have better if my kids stayed out of sports, came home on the bus, sat in front of the tv, got fat and lazy, and did drugs.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2024 03:33 PM (RKVpM)

66 Uh oh.

STUDY: Tattoos could trigger rare form of cancer...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 27, 2024 03:34 PM (L/fGl)

67 I think the Plyler decision has a lot to do with the deterioration of public schools and it hurts even the ones who supposedly 'benefit' from it.

20 years after it was forced on us they (education dept) still did all they could to segregate the Hispanics into ESL and other throttles of assimilation.

Posted by: DanMan at May 27, 2024 03:35 PM (8uzBS)

68 Yeah, I guess it would have better if my kids stayed out of sports, came home on the bus, sat in front of the tv, got fat and lazy, and did drugs.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2024 03:33 PM (RKVpM)

Yeah I didn’t understand the retort at all.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:35 PM (SHMXB)

69 @54 definitely. He was a lefty , but he respected people who disagreed with him. Also one hell of a good ballplayer who would have been amongst all time greate but for injuries. Still won two NBA titles

Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 27, 2024 03:35 PM (wu1+q)

70 They should turn those empty public buildings into stripper schools...
Posted by: Rod Porkmore at May 27, 2024 03:30 PM

In fairness, there's only so much old paint that needs to be removed.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at May 27, 2024 03:36 PM (a3Q+t)

71 STUDY: Tattoos could trigger rare form of cancer

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Hahaha

The ones with sleeves AND abortions are likely in a lot of trouble.

We won't even mention the covid shot.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Minus religion, name one benefit US males get with marriage at May 27, 2024 03:37 PM (31AxR)

72 I've mentioned this before...

Our local public school is in small town Indiana. Population of around 2500. It serves the rural community of farms. My daughter graduated on Saturday with a class total of 54 students. This is the same school I attended and graduated from. One of my former classmates is the high school principal.
The teachers are well educated and live in the community. They shop at the same stores, attend the same churches and events as the parents of their students. They are expected to teach the subject and leave their personal crap at the door. The parents are very involved in the school. And the administration encourages this.
My girl was able to take dual credit classes offered by Ivy Tech. She literally got her associates degree from IT two weeks before she graduated from high school. She will attend Vincennes University in the fall. A full ride two year scholarship will pay her way. By the end of that two years, she will have earned essentially a bachelor's degree in legal studies.
I know some public schools are just indoctrination centers. I know some are terrible make work jobs where kids learn nothing useful. We were fortunate.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 27, 2024 03:37 PM (4XwPj)

73
The cost of a new wooden bat ranges from $30 to $200 while the cost of a new aluminum bat ranges from $30 to $500.

My daughter had to buy bats for her sons who are extremely likely to get athletic scholarships. Eight hundred dollars total.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2024 03:37 PM (RKVpM)

74 Every dollar in everyone's pockets and savings accounts and investment accounts is worth 50% of what it was worth in 2020. By 2030 that dollar will be worth 25c in 2020.

Young people trying to plan for kids and their future are likely being realistic.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Minus religion, name one benefit US males get with marriage at May 27, 2024 03:25 PM (31AxR)

Behavior is always dictated by self--interest. If it looks like it's not, we just haven't figured out what the self-interest is yet.

Younger folks not having kids is a direct result of the cultural changes, that have dis-incentivized having kids.

Of course, any "by 2030" conversation must be prefaced by the awareness that "they" plan to have fundamentally changed the world much more dramatically than they already have.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:38 PM (BtSdK)

75 Are there any tranny dancing dolls for children.
If so, I demand that the little plastic green and grey WWll soldiers be brought back into circulation.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 27, 2024 03:38 PM (J8LnB)

76 Emmanuel Goldstein spotted!

Nobody knows what Richard Dreyfuss said but, boy!, was it bad!

https://shorturl.at/61PZr

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 27, 2024 03:38 PM (L/fGl)

77 Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 27, 2024 03:35 PM (wu1+q)

I’m glad he got to play with Bird and the Celtics. He seemed to have cherished that from all his statements.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:38 PM (SHMXB)

78 About half of my graduating class literally could not read or write above the 4th or 5th grade level.
Posted by: Mister Scott

Just a guess - Buchtel?

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:26 PM

Central.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 27, 2024 03:38 PM (QNSds)

79 Abolish Publick Skools.

No one would miss them except the moochers and looters who layabout in them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 27, 2024 03:39 PM (R/m4+)

80 People need bats.

Nobody needs mephitic penguins.

'Nuff said.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 27, 2024 03:40 PM (a3Q+t)

81 course, any "by 2030" conversation must be prefaced by the awareness that "they" plan to have fundamentally changed the world much more dramatically than they already have.

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I'll admit, making the dollar worthless as a way to discourage reproduction among Western Civilization types hadn't occurred to me before, but it works just as easily as sterilization.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Minus religion, name one benefit US males get with marriage at May 27, 2024 03:40 PM (31AxR)

82 have y'all seen the HS baseball play where the centerfielder ran down the runner at the plate and got him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaH0MC5Odwg

btw, Bellaire rocked baseball when my kids were there, perennial state play off bound

Posted by: DanMan at May 27, 2024 03:40 PM (8uzBS)

83 The ones with sleeves AND abortions are likely in a lot of trouble.

We won't even mention the covid shot.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

The sleeve and abortion seeds the cancer, the shot makes it turbo.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 27, 2024 03:42 PM (cOq4q)

84 Florida has a comparatively weak Department of Education. Most of the power is at the county level.

Ron didn’t have to do much.

And yet, for some reason, he's always the one at the forefront. It's almost like he's a leader or something.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 27, 2024 03:42 PM (CsUN+)

85 This is what happens when they stop teaching logic and skepticism in colleges

Posted by: Joe kidtoucher at May 27, 2024 03:42 PM (W+TLY)

86 Nobody knows what Richard Dreyfuss said but, boy!, was it bad!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Dreyfuss seems like my kind of guy. But what a bullshit article and dustup apparently. No one could specify what he said. Just the normal REEEEEEEE!! about something something being non-inclusive, etc.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:42 PM (WXNFJ)

87 Dear Horde, thank you for not nooding.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 27, 2024 03:11 PM

It's been said that if you want something done well, do it yourself. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 27, 2024 03:43 PM (a3Q+t)

88 About half of my graduating class literally could not read or write above the 4th or 5th grade level.
Posted by: Mister Scott

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They're eligible for full scholarships at Morehouse and Spelman and will be able to be assistant professors in their 3rd years!

- HBCUs

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Minus religion, name one benefit US males get with marriage at May 27, 2024 03:43 PM (31AxR)

89 Dreyfuss seems like my kind of guy. But what a bullshit article and dustup apparently. No one could specify what he said. Just the normal REEEEEEEE!! about something something being non-inclusive, etc.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:42 PM (WXNFJ)

Probably flew an old patriotic symboled flag.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:43 PM (SHMXB)

90
STUDY: Tattoos could trigger rare form of cancer

Some day all these young women are going to have black armpits as the ink migrates to the lymph nodes. The same area which is a cancer playground. But 'daddy issue' or something makes it okay.

Yuck.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2024 03:43 PM (RKVpM)

91 But liberals really care about the children and not just the government workers, right?

Oregon was unique in prioritizing the vax jab for teachers. They got the vax ahead of the 80-year-olds.

The teachers unions still refused to reopen the schools. When it was pointed out that students were at almost no risk from Covid, they responded that teachers still might get sick, so the schools stayed closed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 27, 2024 03:43 PM (uxCna)

92 "Rod", you laugh, but there are now 'Dance' classes using stripper poles. Once again, the left has mainstreamed deviant and tawdry behavior for our young women.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:32 PM (WXNFJ)

Ozzyman has vids he's done, narrating stripper pole competitions. He uses phrases like "spready to the gods" to describe some of the moves, but I suspect they don't call it that in the actual competition.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:43 PM (BORNO)

93 He's always thinking.

Emails: Hunter Used Joe's Appearance at Sandy Hook Shooting Memorial Service to Arrange Meeting With Chinese Business Partners

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 27, 2024 03:44 PM (L/fGl)

94 Central.
Posted by: Mister Scott

I did some time at in the tire plants in the old days. Plenty of tough areas around there.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:44 PM (WXNFJ)

95 From Dreyfus got derailed to Jamestown settlement.
They weren't just eating dogs during the starving times, they were eating indigenous dogs.
The Horror.

Posted by: From about that Time at May 27, 2024 03:45 PM (4780s)

96 Ozzyman has vids he's done, narrating stripper pole competitions. He uses phrases like "spready to the gods" to describe some of the moves, but I suspect they don't call it that in the actual competition.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:43 PM

Wouldn't a stripper competition be judged by the number of dollar bills in retaining straps?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 27, 2024 03:45 PM (a3Q+t)

97 Since 2019-20, when ~~the pandemic upended education~~ we used the pandemic as an excuse to upend everything, including education, even though COVID is one of the few viruses children are not a vector for.

Fixed it for them…

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 27, 2024 03:46 PM (olroh)

98 "I know some public schools are just indoctrination centers. I know some are terrible make work jobs where kids learn nothing useful. We were fortunate."
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 27, 2024 03:37

we're now in a town of about 12,000 with one HS, it is an excellent one from what I can tell through our oldest grand

Posted by: DanMan at May 27, 2024 03:46 PM (8uzBS)

99 Rain coming down pretty good here.

Guess I ain't gonna sit outside and read.

Posted by: JT at May 27, 2024 03:46 PM (T4tVD)

100 This is yet another issue where the upcoming elections are going to make a huge difference.

From recent statements, it seems evident that the D's are going to try to ban homeschooling if they are returned to power.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 27, 2024 03:46 PM (uxCna)

101 Imagine what Florida would look like had Andrew Gillum won.
Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2024 03:32 PM (NpAcC)

Blood, semen and other bodily fluids running like rivers down the city streets from sodomite's having Happy Play Time...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 27, 2024 03:46 PM (R/m4+)

102 Schools should be a very local level

Posted by: Skip at May 27, 2024 03:47 PM (fwDg9)

103 >>>...Younger folks not having kids is a direct result of the cultural changes, that have dis-incentivized having kids.

Of course, any "by 2030" conversation must be prefaced by the awareness that "they" plan to have fundamentally changed the world much more dramatically than they already have.
Posted by: BurtTC
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And at this point in time there are *things* more valuable than family.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:47 PM (fkuu7)

104 Lines of T-storms rolling through, one slowly getting to me

Posted by: Skip at May 27, 2024 03:48 PM (fwDg9)

105 Blood, semen and other bodily fluids running like rivers down the city streets from sodomite's having Happy Play Time...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Don't forget the other fecal matter.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 27, 2024 03:48 PM (cOq4q)

106 Just saw a commercial from United Airlines about learning to be a pilot for the next generation . It was definitely DEI compliant except for the possible candidate sole white guy. At least 50% were female.

Posted by: polynikes at May 27, 2024 03:48 PM (SHMXB)

107 I'll admit, making the dollar worthless as a way to discourage reproduction among Western Civilization types hadn't occurred to me before, but it works just as easily as sterilization.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Minus religion, name one benefit US males get with marriage at May 27, 2024 03:40 PM (31AxR)

As with everything, if you ask the basic question: Will this likely result in an increase in Western population, or decrease?

It's amazing how often the answer is the latter.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:49 PM (yMOrY)

108 Lines of T-storms rolling through, one slowly getting to me
Posted by: Skip at May 27, 2024 03:48 PM (fwDg9)

Sounds like a Far Side cartoon.

Posted by: JT at May 27, 2024 03:50 PM (T4tVD)

109 If there was a normal person in the public school system, they would read this and think "How can we improve the education system and get people back in?"

But they will never concede that their ideology is to blame.

Posted by: NR Pax at May 27, 2024 03:51 PM (lXCUP)

110
Lines of T-storms rolling through, one slowly getting to me

Posted by: Skip at May 27, 2024 03:48 PM

Low pressure system with counter clockwise rotation should push it off the coast and out of our area in the next hour or two.

-- Definitely Maybe

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2024 03:51 PM (RKVpM)

111 And at this point in time there are *things* more valuable than family.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 27, 2024 03:47 PM (fkuu7)

Yes.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:52 PM (yMOrY)

112 Blood, semen and other bodily fluids running like rivers down the city streets from sodomite's having Happy Play Time...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Don't forget the other fecal matter.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 27, 2024 03:48 PM (cOq4q)

The logs for the cabins gotta come from SOMEWHERE !

Posted by: JT at May 27, 2024 03:52 PM (T4tVD)

113 >>>>Dreyfuss seems like my kind of guy. But what a bullshit article and dustup apparently. No one could specify what he said. Just the normal REEEEEEEE!! about something something being non-inclusive, etc.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 03:42 PM (WXNFJ)
*******
When Charlton Heston passed, Dreyfuss wrote and vey complimentary and heartfelt article about him. He praised Heston not only for being a great actor but a mentor to him. Apparently they were friends.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 27, 2024 03:53 PM (4cY1X)

114 Closing campuses will only force the lower-performing inmates ever closer together. I suggest it's time to use surplus schools to re-segregate the remaining students. Put the fewer remaining white students in their own schools, the Hispanics in their own, and the feral blacks in their own. Then sit back and watch what happens when the ferals are removed.

Posted by: Old and Tired at May 27, 2024 03:53 PM (MV++E)

115 I rejoice to see a shift in education to more responsible options.

It's much nicer for teachers as well to have fewer government-mandated obstacles imposed against good teaching.

Posted by: Emmie at May 27, 2024 03:54 PM (Sf2cq)

116 Charter schools: where kids can safely learn the three R's without fear of getting gunned down.

....though, I'm sure the FBI and ACLU is working to correct that minor problem.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 27, 2024 03:54 PM (tT6L1)

117 11 This is why I didn't back Desantis for president. He is building the path that other red states can follow.

Agreed. What good is it to have a majority at the federal level if the states are going to go full metal retard with democrat policies?

Posted by: NR Pax at May 27, 2024 03:54 PM (lXCUP)

118 Then sit back and watch what happens when the ferals are removed.
Posted by: Old and Tired at May 27, 2024 03:53 PM (MV++E)

So basically, Haiti.

How'd that work out.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 27, 2024 03:55 PM (yMOrY)

119 Unionized government “workers”.

What could go wrong?

Posted by: Common Tater at May 27, 2024 03:58 PM (yoSgP)

120 Not only do we pay the taxe$, but now kids also need to provide their own "school supplies"-- lots of supplies!

When I was in grade school, the school supplied pencils, scissors, crayons, glue, and so on. These supplies were issued as needed for the day and then *turned in* at the end of class, except for 1 or 2 pencils which we kept at all times, with our own things in our desks. (Surprisingly, I cannot recall anyone complaining of any theft, though it might've happened from time to time?)

And, granted, the crayon box was full of broken pieces...

Posted by: JQ at May 27, 2024 03:58 PM (njWTi)

121 Broward County Public Schools claims to have more than 49,000 classroom seats sitting empty this year, a number that "closely matches" the 49,833 students attending charter schools in the area...

So counting for the public schools is an issue too, vice the charter schools.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2024 03:58 PM (bvWAj)

122 The effort to move toward affordable private schools in crappy districts was well underway before Ron showed up.

I’m not trying to bad mouth the guy but he’s riding a wave as far as education reform in FL is concerned.

Posted by: pawn at May 27, 2024 03:58 PM (ekvdi)

123 Hiya JQ !
How you ?

Posted by: JT at May 27, 2024 03:59 PM (T4tVD)

124 And, granted, the crayon box was full of broken pieces...

Posted by: JQ

See also: Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2024 04:00 PM (WXNFJ)

125 Most principle and most of the teachersat the charter school my kids used to go to were mostly libs and no doubt voted overwhelmingly for the Georgia Dems all sworn to severely limit or put out of business charter schools. The education establishment is beyond repair.

Posted by: Ripley at May 27, 2024 04:00 PM (PTDkx)

126 All those dedicated and competent teachers should have no problem getting a job at a high-performing charter school.

I'm sure of it.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 27, 2024 04:00 PM (FRT/w)

127 If I might offer the failing school districts some advice -

What they need to do, is go into the student loan business. Loan their graduates millions and millions of dollars, using cash from the high school teachers' pension fund. Then, as the students achieve great things after graduating, those former students will repay the loans with interest.

What could go wrong?

Posted by: 2009Refugee at May 27, 2024 04:01 PM (8AONa)

128 U nas yest nood.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 27, 2024 04:01 PM (v6JzV)

129 The education establishment is beyond repair.
Posted by: Ripley at May 27, 2024 04:00 PM (PTDkx)
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When the universities are pumping out State-worshippers, the pool is already tainted.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 27, 2024 04:02 PM (FRT/w)

130 Hiya, JT!

LOL, Tonypete!

Posted by: JQ at May 27, 2024 04:02 PM (njWTi)

131 "A theater in Beverly, Massachusetts, is apologizing to patrons who attended a screening of “Jaws” over the weekend, after star Richard Dreyfuss allegedly made comments many patrons considered to be sexist and homophobic."

tinyurl.com/bdz96f6v

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2024 04:10 PM (NpAcC)

132 All those HS graduate idiots that couldn't read or write above 4th grade level--they're now posting articles on substack and various "sports" sites. I swear, I haven't seen this level of illiteracy and innumeracy since...well, ever. The country is truly going to hell in a handbasket.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at May 27, 2024 04:11 PM (XMwZJ)

133 It should always be the parents and not the NEA od
School Board to decide what school their child will attend and what classes they take none of this Climate Change stuff Racists stuff

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 27, 2024 04:22 PM (FLiOE)

134 "A theater in Beverly, Massachusetts, is apologizing to patrons who attended a screening of “Jaws” over the weekend, after star Richard Dreyfuss allegedly made comments many patrons considered to be sexist and homophobic."

tinyurl.com/bdz96f6v
Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2024 04:10 PM (NpAcC)

See comment 77

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 27, 2024 04:26 PM (iODuv)

135 Imagine what would happen in the City of Chicago if school choice alternatives were as available as they are in Broward County, FL.

How many parents would send their kids to Chicago public schools if they had any other choice whatsoever?

Even the head of the CFT (teachers union) had her own kids in private schools, as of a few months ago. That about says it all.

Posted by: mnw at May 27, 2024 04:27 PM (NLIak)

136 St. Pete rainbow street mural defaced about a week before Pride Month

tinyurl.com/3np6njsv

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2024 04:31 PM (NpAcC)

137 I’m a private school product, my sweet wife is a public school product, although she was in a very good school district in CA, back in the day. She also had experience as a speech therapist in WA public schools. When it came time to choose between public or private school for our daughter, there was NO debate…she’s had 11 years of excellent Christian classical education. Worth EVERY penny.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at May 27, 2024 05:01 PM (audPC)

138 That’s the problem with school choice - there are bad schools, whether by poor teachers, bad parents, or poor administration. Somebody tends to wind up in those schools. Eventually, we just need more, better schools. It’s a bit of a Gordian knot.

Houston is going through a state takeover of the Houston Independent School District. The parents who never noticed how badly their children were being taught were all up in arms that an “outside agency” was taking over their schools. A year later, wholesale firing/releases of teachers and principals is taking place. Parents are incensed all over again that the people that were not educating their kids are now being released. I don’t know if school choice could solve this problem, but the schools weren’t, and the parents liked “local control” even if it wasn’t getting them anything.

Posted by: Advo at May 27, 2024 05:20 PM (jO4mz)

139 Public education has always been a jobs program for loyal Democrats.

Posted by: Jim at May 27, 2024 05:30 PM (zhWvq)

140 Sounds like the dogs don't like the public school dogfood in Florida.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 27, 2024 06:51 PM (cB7nX)

141 Great post, Ace. Our last child graduated last year and if I had kids today like our oldest daughter, there is no way I would put my kids in public schools. Said daughter now lives in Tejas(from Minny) and the standard word is not 'which schools are you sending your kids' to 'what homeschool co-ops are you looking into?'

Posted by: Danimal28 at May 28, 2024 12:26 AM (ryUqI)

142 Give people a choice and they'll always go with whats the best option for them. No wonder the Dems always want to restrict choice.

Posted by: Fred at May 28, 2024 07:11 PM (bXvrr)

143 For decades Florida Republicans and for months Ron DeSantis...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at May 28, 2024 07:21 PM (DBAaD)

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