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Saturday Evening Movie Thread 05/25/2024 [TheJamesMadison]

Ishiro Honda


The system that Toho Studios (and other Japanese studios) operated under until it ended its contract system (ending the Japanese version of the studio system) was an apprenticeship system, so when someone got hired to be a director at the studio, they started as an assistant director to an established talent. Akira Kurosawa and Masaki Kobayashi both went through this process, and one of Kurosawa's assistant directors was Ishiro Honda. He worked on Kurosawa's Stray Dog (for which Kurosawa credited him with capturing the heat of the Tokyo summer) before he got his first job directing melodramas and glorified tourist spots for remote Japanese regions in The Blue Pearl and The Skin of the South.

He continued working, grinding out solid, respectable films for several years until he and his writing partner, Takeo Murata, came up with the idea of a giant lizard monster attacking Japan as a result of H-bomb testing. That was, of course, Godzilla, and Honda's career was set in stone. The wild, runaway success of Godzilla convinced Honda's producer, Tomoyuki Tanaka, that he should be the go-to guy for monster and science-fiction-inspired films from then on out. He made a handful of other kinds of films along the way (Come Marry Me and Be Happy, These Two Lovers, both written by Zenzo Matsuyama, are dramatic romances without a single monster), but it's obvious that while he was a loyal studio cog, he itched to make more.

So many of his monster movies start out in completely different genres. The H-Man starts out as a mob film. Mothra vs. Godzilla is a corporate satire. King Kong vs. Godzilla is a television/media satire. And yet, because he was a cog in a machine, precious few of these films actually make it to the end in that genre they start in, the only exception being Dogora which starts as a heist film and ends as one with monster action happening around the characters doing and investigating the heisting.

So, with a career like that, who was Honda as an artist? Is it even possible to figure that out? Is it even worthwhile to dig any deeper than his kaiju creations?

Well, I went as far as I could. I couldn't find a dozen of his films, all smaller melodramas, so my view is not as full as I normally like. By all accounts, the films do exist, but the studio, Toho, has no released them on home video here or anywhere else as far as I can tell while having precious little in terms of a streaming presence (just try and find Godzilla Minus Zero, for instance, which only came out last year and made a bunch of money). Still, with what I could find, I came away with thoughts.

The Japanese Identity


Yes, I will get to Godzilla, I promise, but what easily interested me more about Honda was those early films before the kaiju reared its head out of the sea. This was the sort of stuff that Masaki Kobayashi cut his teeth on in his early career at Shochiku Studios. They're mostly accomplished, touching portraits of people in little love triangles and stuff. It crescendos with the last two films he made before Godzilla, Eagle of the Pacific and Farewell Rabaul.

What's special about them, especially when combined with the implied message in Godzilla, is that they are portraits of a defeated people. Eagle of the Pacific is a biopic about Admiral Yamamoto in the years leading up to the outbreak of WWII, especially around the debate of the Tripartite Pact, and his loyal service to the emperor through the fight with America despite his own personal resistance to the war on more practical grounds regarding industrial capacity. Combine that with the portrait of the central character in Farewell Rabaul, a Japanese naval pilot based in Papua New Guinea who comes to the realization that his "superior" training and "superior" equipment in the form of the Zero is nothing compared to the American pilot who first learned to fly 18 months prior.

These two central characters show the Japanese soldier as loyal to the emperor, personally knowledgeable of the unwinnable nature of the war, dedicated to fighting cleanly, and aware of the doom awaiting the nation. So, you know, probably something of a total fiction when applied to the average Japanese soldier.

And then you read between the lines of Godzilla. In the original film, Godzilla attacks twice (replicating the two nuclear attacks). The destruction eerily recalls the sight of entire cities on fire like the fire-bombing. He's awoken from his slumber by H-bomb testing. None of this is new from me. It's well-accepted and acknowledged that Godzilla is a nuclear-age warning. Where I seem to separate from others is in my interpretation of how the Japanese defeat Godzilla. Some may not recall, but the Japanese scientists actually develop a super-weapon called the Oxygen Destroyer and use it to kill Godzilla. Yes, Godzilla dies at the end. If you take the whole series as connected and flowing from one to the nest, the Godzilla we all know and love is actually the second who appears at the start of Godzilla Raids Again.

Anyway. The Oxygen Destroyer is developed by a reclusive Japanese scientist who refuses to share the secret of its creation with the world, using the only working prototype (and destroying his notes) to kill Godzilla once and for all. So, if Godzilla is commonly accepted as a nuclear age warning, are we allowed to interpret the solution to it? The solution is that the Japanese are smart enough to make an even bigger and more destructive weapon of mass destruction but have the self-control to die with the weapon, only using it one time out of necessity and never again. Combine that with the sanded over portrait of the Japanese people in the middle of a losing war in the previous two films, and you've got a very...glorified view of the Japanese people less than a decade after their leaders and many soldiers were convicted of war crimes at the Tokyo Trials.

Why focus on these three films? (As a side note, I think there's a fourth that falls into this WWII retrospective from Honda, Lovetide about the home-front experience, but it's one of those dozen I couldn't find.) Because the uniformity of the thematic content and the distance into his directing career indicate to me that this was Honda effectively at the height of his artistic powers within the Toho system. And, it's a portrait of a nationalist apologist afraid of nuclear power. If he hadn't been sucked into the kaiju vortex, would he have gotten more didactic? Impossible to say, but I suspect it might be the closest we have to who he was as an artist at his core. It should also be noted that Farewell Rabaul is easily my favorite of his films, would make a marvelous companion piece with John Ford's They Were Expendable, and is great.

Kaiju and Tsuburaya


So, Honda got trapped making science fiction films when it was obvious he wanted to make more. How did he do? Well, it's impossible to talk about Honda's body of work, especially his monster movies, without talking at decent length about Eiji Tsuburaya, Toho's chief special effects supervisor who has credits on every film with special effects Honda made from The Skin of the South (overseeing the late landslide effects) to All Monsters Attack, which is really just a credit out of respect since Tsuburaya had grown ill and was near death during the film's production. He spearheaded every advance in special effects of the era at Toho from the use of miniatures to what became known as suit-mation and the combination of those effects with real-life photography through compositing at increasingly complex scales. A lot of the appeal of these films, from Godzilla stomping to Rodan flying to Mothra covering Ghidorah with silk to trap him to Kumonga really looking like its legs actually support its weight, comes from Tsuburaya and his team (of whom I must note Sadamasa Arikawa who took over from Tsuburaya on day to day functions by the late-60s).

That being said, I want to take a bit to talk about believability. Precious little of these special effects are believable. I find them effective and entertaining, but that's not the same thing. For many people, though, it is. They must see giant monsters and believe them to be real. I do think, though, that there were tools at Tsuburaya's disposal at the time that he could have used to enhance the believability, and it all has to do with scale.

Essentially, Tsuburaya filmed the sequences like anyone might shoot two people fighting: with regular lenses at regular speeds from regular heights. Essentially, 40mm lenses at 24 frames per second at about chest height. If you're trying to sell giant monsters stomping as real, you don't film like that. You use wider lenses (10mm, I would guess), slower framerates (50-60 per second), and lower angles (building the sets on raised platforms so you can get the camera as low as possible). That makes the depth of field more accurately reflect things at that scale, the subjects move slower like they're much heavier, and tower over the audience. The only thing done with anything like consistency was the framerate, but it really wasn't consistent at all. Even within individual sequences, shots at completely different framerates will be right next to each other in the edit.

So, I enjoy the special effects. I find them fun. But, they're not realistic, and I think Tsuburaya had to tools to make them more realistic from 1954 on. I mean, building the set on a platform is not the most expensive thing in the world.

I should also note that Tsuburaya and Honda often butted heads about the silliness of the special effects, Tsuburaya pushing them sillier while Honda wanted them pulled back to more seriousness. The most potent example I've found is a miniature horse in War of the Gargantuas, obviously fake and on screen for only about a second. Tsuburaya reportedly loved it for its fakeness. Honda hated it for its fakeness. So, it's still on screen, but only for a moment. It is also interesting to note that after Tsuburaya's death, the special effects became generally darker and more serious and more believable.

Studio Man


One thing about film discourse that I kind of hate is the use of the word auteur. It's elitist gatekeeping most of the time I see it used. People use it to create this barrier between directors and their works that should be paid attention to and the rest of the dreck that is beneath them. I saw this once trying to take down a very popular film because the director hadn't made anything else good. It wasn't directed by an auteur, you see, so it couldn't be very good.

Ishiro Honda would not fit under that label, and it's true that he has less of an authorial stamp across his films than someone like a Kubrick who maintained nearly complete control over his films from the start. Honda really was a cog in a larger machine, negotiating between the assignments from his producer Tanaka while sharing responsibility with his special effects director for large chunks of most of his films. It makes it harder to pinpoint who he was as an artist because filmmaking is an artistic medium done by committee. However, I think there's still worth in trying to figure him out. Across all of his films (that I could track down...gosh darn it), I saw a talented filmmaker. I saw a man who knew how to frame shots consistently. I saw a filmmaker who wanted to tell more stories. I saw a filmmaker, when given the space, could tell stories well. I also saw a highly constrained filmmakers working against his own artistic interests to operate well within a studio system that pigeonholed him for decades.

When he left Toho after Toho ended its contract system, he went to television for about a decade before one final feature film (the last of the Godzilla films of the Showa Era) and essentially became Akira Kurosawa's assistant director in Kurosawa's final years, helping on Kagemusha, Ran, Dreams, and Madayayo, a key helping hand since Kurasawa was effectively blind by the time he made Ran.

So, Honda ended his career in much the same way that he spent most of it: as a supporting player in someone else's machine. He had spent so much time pushing aside his own creative impulses, and the man who had made more singular visions like Eagle of the Pacific or Farewell Rabaul was simply never going to come back. It's sad, I think. He could have been more than just monster movies. He was more than just monster movies. However, that's really his legacy, and it's pretty accurate. Heck, it's not like the monster movies were a drag. There was a lot of fun to be had. That's not nothing.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga
The Garfield Movie
Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Dogora (Rating 3/4) Full Review "I think this is one of those Honda films that deserves something of a re-appraisal, but you apparently need to watch the Japanese version and also recognize that it's not really much of a monster movie." [The Criterion Channel]

Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "I just have these niggling issues around how the monsters come together that keep popping up, especially in the runup to the big final fight." [The Criterion Channel]

Invasion of Astro-Monster (Rating 3/4) Full Review "This is just solid B-movie fun, and I had quite a good time with it." [The Criterion Channel]

Come Marry Me (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Combine that with Honda's bankable name, and this feels like a quick effort to make some easy money on Toho's part. That it's a lightly entertaining film on its own is just icing, I suppose. I do wish the finale played out a bit cleaner, though." [Archive.org]

Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "So, it's manic and all over the place and thin with the character stuff. The excuses of bringing the monsters together is just as thin. However, the special effects are very good, and the whole embrace of a Bond villain aesthetic regarding the Red Bamboo layer is fun." [The Criterion Channel]

Destroy All Monsters (Rating 3/4) Full Review "If there was to never be another Godzilla movie, this would have been a good way to go out, giving the people what they came for." [The Criterion Channel]

Space Amoeba (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Really, I think this is underappreciated. It's really quite a good example of the kaiju genre that does its job efficiently and well." [The Criterion Channel]

Godzilla vs. Hedorah (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "Still, the stripped down approach to the monster stuff, the uniqueness of Hedorah, and the surprising brutality of how it all comes to a close is a lot to recommend. However, there's still the didactic messaging, the categorization section, and the overall confusing opening." [The Criterion Channel]

Contact

Email any suggestions or questions to thejamesmadison.aos at symbol gmail dot com.
I've also archived all the old posts here, by request. I'll add new posts a week after they originally post at the HQ.

My next post will be on 6/15, and it will talk about...honestly, I have no idea yet.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:45 PM




Comments

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1 Evening.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 07:45 PM (1Yy3c)

2 "Eagle of the Pacific" Added to my list, thanks!
dailymotion.com/video/x8wqfqg

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at May 25, 2024 07:47 PM (MvF+J)

3 Howdy!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 25, 2024 07:47 PM (cCVOS)

4 Watching Wrecking Crew , the Dean Marin Matt Helm movie with Sharon Tate.

Sharon Tate’s body is smoking but I think she has the face of a tranny . She’s got a Jay Leno jaw.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 07:48 PM (SHMXB)

5 I'm watching "The Seven Samurai" for the first time -- lucky me! Great movie. I love the zen calm of the older lead samurai.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 07:52 PM (FkUwd)

6 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2024 07:52 PM (fwDg9)

7 TJM, no love for "Godzilla vs the Smog Monster"? 😆

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 07:53 PM (FkUwd)

8 5 I'm watching "The Seven Samurai" for the first time -- lucky me! Great movie. I love the zen calm of the older lead samurai.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 07:52 PM (FkUwd)

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That is Takashi Shimura, a regular contract player at Toho who was in a goodly number of films by...Ishiro Honda!

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 07:54 PM (GBKbO)

9 Hiya James Monroe !

Have a nice Hollerday !

Posted by: JT at May 25, 2024 07:54 PM (T4tVD)

10 7 The music in that movie is ineffable.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at May 25, 2024 07:54 PM (MvF+J)

11 7 TJM, no love for "Godzilla vs the Smog Monster"? 😆
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 07:53 PM (FkUwd)

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That must by post Showa Era. I'll do the rest of the Godzilla films...eventually.

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 07:54 PM (GBKbO)

12 >>I'm watching "The Seven Samurai" for the first time -- lucky me! Great movie. I love the zen calm of the older lead samurai.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 07:52 PM (FkUwd)
*****
That’s a great movie, along with the Magnificent Seven.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 25, 2024 07:55 PM (vJ3Tl)

13 Another week with no mention of the cinematic masterpiece that is Summer School starring Mark Harmon. Sad.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2024 07:56 PM (u73oe)

14 The music in that movie is ineffable.
Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs

No F bombs ?

Posted by: JT at May 25, 2024 07:56 PM (T4tVD)

15 If Honda wasn't given a lifetime achievement award, the world is truly fucked up.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 25, 2024 07:57 PM (3hI7Q)

16 14 I don't know how the F to describe it.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at May 25, 2024 07:57 PM (MvF+J)

17 Always enjoyed the Godzilla movies you've mentioned. Comet has most of them and plays them over and over.
I rarely catch an entire movie though due to Comet's scheduling.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 25, 2024 07:58 PM (AdAfb)

18 I’m about to watch Witness with Harrison Ford that’s coming on Flix channel . Haven’t seen it before but fenelon commented that Ford laughs in this movie after I posted he never smiles or laughs in his movies. I’ve only seen smirks and sarcastic chuckles.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 07:58 PM (SHMXB)

19 Dogora was pretty durned fun. Robert Dunham pretty much made the movie for me.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 07:59 PM (1Yy3c)

20 18 It's OK. Naked foot scene.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at May 25, 2024 07:59 PM (MvF+J)

21 Summer School is a great movie.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 25, 2024 07:59 PM (xPl2J)

22 Probably seen almost if not all of these old Japanese monster movies, the effects were fun to see though if made today CGI would be more believable

Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2024 08:00 PM (fwDg9)

23 >>I’m about to watch Witness with Harrison Ford that’s coming on Flix channel . Haven’t seen it before but fenelon commented that Ford laughs in this movie after I posted he never smiles or laughs in his movies. I’ve only seen smirks and sarcastic chuckles.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 07:58 PM (SHMXB)
****
My favorite movie, enjoy and watch it again. I have.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 25, 2024 08:00 PM (vJ3Tl)

24 TJM, no love for "Godzilla vs the Smog Monster"? 😆
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 07:53 PM (FkUwd)

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That must by post Showa Era. I'll do the rest of the Godzilla films...eventually.
Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 07:54 PM (GBKbO)

Nope, it's Showa era.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 08:00 PM (1Yy3c)

25 The Seven Samurai is awesome

Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2024 08:01 PM (fwDg9)

26 I know most people here have raved about Japanese cinema but I just can’t enjoy them. Even their animated movies are depressing to me . It’s got a lot of the Bushido aspects to them and I’m not a big fan of the Bushido code.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:01 PM (SHMXB)

27 Got back from Big Lots and snagged me a copy of Pixar's Onward.

A 4K movie for nine bucks. Steal!

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 08:01 PM (1Yy3c)

28 Very interesting stuff, lots that I did not know; thanks TJM!

I saw Ran on its first run in the states; still have the coffee-table book that accompanied the release. Something about its grandiose scope really hooked me, kind of like some Kubrick works. Still on my long rota of classics, right next to Do'des-ka den.

and of course any Toho sci-fi movies ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 25, 2024 08:01 PM (tQtDb)

29 "Destroy All Monsters" is on Svengoolie tonight.

Posted by: fd at May 25, 2024 08:02 PM (vFG9F)

30 "Bonhoeffer" (2000) It's OK. I think Christopher Waltz developed some of his Nazi shtick by watching Robert Joy act in this one.

"BlackBerry" (2023) Fictional drama about the history of the handheld comms device 1996-2012. It held my interest.

"Tension" (1949) Scowling noir queen Audrey Totter is hitched to a boring stiff, so she gives him the brush-off. Deadly capers ensue; nosy gumshoes butt in.
Audrey and her rack want you to make like a leaf, dry up and blow away:
https://tinyurl.com/bdfmwsd3

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at May 25, 2024 08:02 PM (MvF+J)

31 Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 25, 2024 08:00 PM (vJ3Tl)

Just tell me. Does Harrison Ford laugh and smile in it?

I do see it’s Rotten Tomato score is 93%.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:03 PM (SHMXB)

32 My next post will be on 6/15, and it will talk about...honestly, I have no idea yet.

——————-

I have an idea for you.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2024 08:04 PM (u73oe)

33 That is Takashi Shimura, a regular contract player at Toho who was in a goodly number of films by...Ishiro Honda!
Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 07:54 PM (GBKbO)
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Ah, that's "the incomparable Shimura", as I've seen him referred to in movie tomes. I saw him as some meek depressed salary man in some movie and didn't recognize him here. He's awesome.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 08:05 PM (FkUwd)

34 Mel Gibson directed movies is my recommendation. Sorry if it’s already been done,

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:07 PM (SHMXB)

35 24 That must by post Showa Era. I'll do the rest of the Godzilla films...eventually.
Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 07:54 PM (GBKbO)

Nope, it's Showa era.
Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 08:00 PM (1Yy3c)

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Oh. That's Godzilla vs. Hedorah. That's an interesting one, though not Honda.

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 08:08 PM (GBKbO)

36 32 My next post will be on 6/15, and it will talk about...honestly, I have no idea yet.
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How about landscape/nature as a character in movies. The desert in "Lawrence of Arabia", etc

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 08:08 PM (FkUwd)

37 Anyone interested in bizarre movies given exquisite disks, Vinegar Syndrome is having a "halfway to Black Friday" sale.

Criterion and Kino Lorber are also having sales.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 25, 2024 08:09 PM (CHHv1)

38 32 My next post will be on 6/15, and it will talk about...honestly, I have no idea yet.

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I have an idea for you.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2024 08:04 PM (u73oe)

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I've never seen you comment before.

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 08:09 PM (GBKbO)

39 Last week I watched Sometimes A Great Notion with Paul Newman and Henry Fonda. Paul Newman also directed. I had never seen it. Turned out to be a really good movie. Don't see it mentioned much, if ever. Richard Jaekel received a best supporting actor nomination. You'll be wondering why until you see the one scene in the movie that clinched it for him.

The movie is based on a Ken Kesey book of the same name. It is about an independent family owned logging outfit in Oregon that is struggling to stay afloat. Their main conflict is with the local union. There is a strike that the family is not honoring. They continue to provide timber which undercuts the union's bargaining position. I was surprised at the strong anti-union sentiment of the movie given the political leanings of those involved.

The full movie is on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/JzeCBsltswk

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 25, 2024 08:09 PM (xPl2J)

40 How about landscape/nature as a character in movies. The desert in "Lawrence of Arabia", etc
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 08:08 PM (FkUwd)

The main reason why I have watch The Secret Life of Walter Mitty more than once.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:09 PM (SHMXB)

41 [iMy next post will be on 6/15, and it will talk about...honestly, I have no idea yet.

Well, Roger Corman isn't going to be directing any more films, and there's a bunch of them. As a bonus, I don't think any of them are lost.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 25, 2024 08:10 PM (CHHv1)

42 Destroy All Monsters is on Svengoolie.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 25, 2024 08:10 PM (v6JzV)

43 I've been slowly rewatching the Lethal Weapon series lately. I don't think I e seen a single one in this century. Wild.

They're such bizarre little films nowadays. Everything is wildly over the top. The first one is a bit unbalanced because Gibson's character runs from crazy to even crazier. The second one firmly plants itself in the buddy cop comedy genre and is probably the best of the series. The third one has some forced humor and plot holes that drag it down. Need to watch the fourth one soon.

There's a great bit at the beginning and end of LW3 where they film the implosion of a couple of buildings. It's so cool. Real implosions. Beats the hell out of all the CGI nonsense today.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 08:11 PM (1Yy3c)

44 41 [iMy next post will be on 6/15, and it will talk about...honestly, I have no idea yet.

Well, Roger Corman isn't going to be directing any more films, and there's a bunch of them. As a bonus, I don't think any of them are lost.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 25, 2024 08:10 PM (CHHv1)

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I don't think I could watch 53 movies in three weeks and have the wherewithal to be intelligible.

I'll get to Corman at some point.

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 08:11 PM (GBKbO)

45 I miss Comet. They praised schlock.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 08:11 PM (FkUwd)

46 I've never seen you comment before.
Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 08:09 PM (GBKbO)

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I don’t get it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 25, 2024 08:12 PM (u73oe)

47 Should be good war movies on this weekend but haven't watched any yet if there are.

Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2024 08:12 PM (fwDg9)

48 "I'll get to Corman at some point."

That sounds like a threat.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at May 25, 2024 08:12 PM (MvF+J)

49 Did they cancel comet i got it with the rabbit ears

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:13 PM (PXvVL)

50 Sorry, fd, didn’t see your comment at 29 before I posted.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 25, 2024 08:13 PM (v6JzV)

51 >>>Just tell me. Does Harrison Ford laugh and smile in it?

I do see it’s Rotten Tomato score is 93%.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:03 PM (SHMXB)
*******
I honestly never knew that was a thing. The movie is artistically done, pay attention to the use of light and dark. It is amazing.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 25, 2024 08:13 PM (vJ3Tl)

52 I miss Comet. They praised schlock.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

Miss it?
It's over the air here. Today they played 'Spiders' and something Spiders 2 something. I don't watch horror so can't tell you how much schlock they have; but, based on other offerings (except Ishiro Honda's!) they would be full schlock.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 25, 2024 08:14 PM (AdAfb)

53 Should be good war movies on this weekend but haven't watched any yet if there are.
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2024 08:12 PM (fwDg9)

A gem that I just first saw this year was Between Heaven and Hell with Robert Wagner, can’t believe I had never seen or even heard about it before.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:14 PM (SHMXB)

54 You need an idea for the next movie thread?

Uh...how about sports movies? Major League, The Replacements, etc etc etc.

Or the history of nekkid boobs in cinema. That could be fun.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 08:15 PM (1Yy3c)

55 Should be good war movies on this weekend but haven't watched any yet if there are.
Posted by: Skip

A bunch playing on Monday, I think it was Movie! or is it Movies!
They start early morning Eastern Time.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 25, 2024 08:16 PM (AdAfb)

56 Comet is playing The X-Files on the Roku app.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 08:17 PM (1Yy3c)

57 The original plan for the 1954 Godzilla was to use stop motion, Willis O'Brian being the inspiration. However, the budget just wasn't there, so Godzilla wound up being a poor guy in an extremely hot rubber suit. I first saw the Americanized version of Godzilla in August 1956 at our local movie house. Seen it dozens of times since then, ( a slew of times on The Million Dollar Movie on WOR channel 9) and I own several books on the making of the movie. They worked with what they had, and still created a classic, right down to the passenger train, a nod to King Kong, Honda's inspiration to get into the movie business.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 25, 2024 08:17 PM (iODuv)

58 STAR WARS was released 47 years ago today.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 25, 2024 08:18 PM (ENQN6)

59 Witness csme out a year before top gun if memory served

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:18 PM (PXvVL)

60 I liked the original godzilla series over the new ones snd lets not speak of the 97 remake

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:20 PM (PXvVL)

61 Witness csme out a year before top gun if memory served
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:18 PM (PXvVL)

1985.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:20 PM (SHMXB)

62 STAR WARS was released 47 years ago today.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 25, 2024 08:18 PM (ENQN6)

I ran it at Menlo Cinema in Edison NJ when I was working as a part time projectionist. Was like nothing we saw up to that point.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 25, 2024 08:20 PM (iODuv)

63 Carrie fisher was the script doctor on lethal weapon 3

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:21 PM (PXvVL)

64 58 I saw it at a drive-in. My last visit ever to a drive-in, I guess.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at May 25, 2024 08:21 PM (MvF+J)

65 Smokey And The Bandit was a 1977 summer movie as well.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 25, 2024 08:21 PM (xPl2J)

66 Korea had done a good job, THE HOST, and my Favorite MONSTRUM, a General retires because he refused to kill a little Girl during a plague and raises her as his own along with his Lt, and then their are rumors of a Monster killing people in the Kingdom and it’s the Gods losing favor with the King and sent the Monster, the King begs the Retired General to find out if the Monster is real or an attempt to overthrow him.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 25, 2024 08:22 PM (dKiJG)

67 OT I'm taking antibiotics for an infection (fuck old age) and I can't drink.

I'm home and I...can't...drink!

I am sad.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 08:22 PM (1Yy3c)

68 Syfy waa heavily cormanized in the late 90s

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:24 PM (PXvVL)

69 1-1 with the evenly-matched teams!

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 25, 2024 08:24 PM (ZdexC)

70 I’m about to watch Witness with Harrison Ford that’s coming on Flix channel . Haven’t seen it before but fenelon commented that Ford laughs in this movie after I posted he never smiles or laughs in his movies. I’ve only seen smirks and sarcastic chuckles.
Posted by: polynikes

Great movie. I haven't seen it in ages. Should watch it again. Kelly McGillis was lovely in it.

Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 08:24 PM (oaGWv)

71 They're such bizarre little films nowadays. Everything is wildly over the top. The first one is a bit unbalanced because Gibson's character runs from crazy to even crazier. The second one firmly plants itself in the buddy cop comedy genre and is probably the best of the series. The third one has some forced humor and plot holes that drag it down. Need to watch the fourth one soon.

I enjoyed the first one. Loved the second one. The diversion that was done for Mel Gibson’s character to sneak into the consulate could never under any circumstances be done today.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 08:26 PM (8sMut)

72 STAR WARS was released 47 years ago today.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 25, 2024 08:18 PM (ENQN6)

I ran it at Menlo Cinema in Edison NJ when I was working as a part time projectionist. Was like nothing we saw up to that point.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy

We saw it at a theater Dow on the OSU campus. Theater was packed and you're right. It was nothing like we'd ever seen before.

Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 08:27 PM (oaGWv)

73 I can report on the Garfield Movie.

Chris Pratt voices Garfield, Stereotypical Black Man S. Leroy Jackson voices Garfield's father.

Good movie overall and very family friendly. I didn't notice any gay stuff or rainbows or tranny whatever in it, which was nice. Not saying it wasn't there, just that I didn't notice it. Pratt did a good job, Jackson was a dumb choice. He did fine for the voice of the absentee criminal father, but he's still a dumb casting choice.

Movie was an origin story of Garfield, essentially. An answer to a question no one asked. "What was Garfield's father like?" Garfield, the character everyone came to see, is a sidekick in his own movie.

The most perfect summary of the movie I can give?

My developmentally delayed teenage son - an enormous Garfield fan - was excited and dressed in his Garfield pajamas, Garfield shirt, and carried his Garfield stuffed animal he's owned since he was 5 or so with us when we went to see the movie. He was the talk of the theater, which was kind of neat

After we left I told him they were also showing it in 3D and if he'd like to come back to see that version, too.

"No thanks."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - without abortion the black population would be 36 percent larger at May 25, 2024 08:28 PM (Hefla)

74 We saw it at a theater Dow on the OSU campus. Theater was packed and you're right. It was nothing like we'd ever seen before.
Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 08:27 PM (oaGWv)

Menlo was an 1800 seat single theater at the time, with a balcony. And the place pretty much sold out every show.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (iODuv)

75 The movie is based on a Ken Kesey book of the same name. It is about an independent family owned logging outfit in Oregon that is struggling to stay afloat. Their main conflict is with the local union. There is a strike that the family is not honoring. They continue to provide timber which undercuts the union's bargaining position. I was surprised at the strong anti-union sentiment of the movie given the political leanings of those involved.

The full movie is on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/JzeCBsltswk
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 25, 2024 08:09 PM (xPl2J)


Keysey grew up on a dairy East of Eugene Oregon, and I believe his sister still runs it. East of Eugene used to be logging and milling country.
I don't like Kesey, but he did come from some sort of reality.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (D7oie)

76 I think i saw the first one on tv and then rest i went to see

Dont look at the jingle bell song the same way

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (PXvVL)

77 65 Smokey And The Bandit was a 1977 summer movie as well.
Posted by: Mark1971



That was such a fun movie!

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (G1ktt)

78 Well, Roger Corman isn't going to be directing any more films, and there's a bunch of them. As a bonus, I don't think any of them are lost.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 25, 2024 08:10 PM (CHHv1)

I think not enough credit is given to those Mr. Corman strung along and apprenticed. That alone makes him a big deal IMHO.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (8sMut)

79 My next post will be on 6/15, and it will talk about...honestly, I have no idea yet.

How 'bout The Horn Blows at Midnite w/ Jack Benny ?

Posted by: JT at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (T4tVD)

80 67
'(fuck old age)'

Don't worry. You won't be old forever.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 25, 2024 08:30 PM (roH4R)

81 https://youtu.be/JzeCBsltswk Added to my list, thanks!

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at May 25, 2024 08:31 PM (MvF+J)

82 That was such a fun movie!
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (G1ktt)

I saw them as a kid and even then I knew there was something special about Sally Field I could not quite figure out. Of course later on when I saw them as an adult I could absolutely figure it out.

And indeed, the first one especially, was great fun.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 08:31 PM (8sMut)

83 78 I think not enough credit is given to those Mr. Corman strung along and apprenticed. That alone makes him a big deal IMHO.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (8sMut)

=====

One of the reasons I went through Joe Dante's body of work was because he started under Corman. I want to do the works of Demme and Copolla as well in no small part because of the Corman connection.

Heck, Scorsese's first full feature not made as a student was under Corman.

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 08:31 PM (GBKbO)

84 I haven't watched it yet, but I learned about "Hush" this week.

https://www.hushfilm.com/

Spoiler alert: A pro-life and pro-choice duo of women team up to make a film about the increased risk of breast cancer after abortions.

"While the media is comfortable telling women not to take hormone replacement therapy because of the increased risk of breast cancer, it refuses to extend the same logic to abortion and its effects on estrogen levels in the body. If both result in increased estrogen levels without a subsequent maturation of breasts’ cells, then logically both can result in increased breast cancer risk.

Troubled by the research, Gill returned to the politically-funded national medical organizations to ask why they were so sure there was no link between abortion and breast cancer. Their response?

They stonewalled her. Not a single national medical organization would respond to her requests for comment."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - without abortion the black population would be 36 percent larger at May 25, 2024 08:31 PM (Hefla)

85 My developmentally delayed teenage son - an enormous Garfield fan -
Posted by: Moron Robbie - without abortion the black population would be 36 percent larger at May 25, 2024 08:28 PM (Hefla)

I was a huge Garfield fan when I was a kid.

I say this to you now, O Moron, for your progeny shall grow to become a truck driver. As it is written, so shall it be done.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 08:32 PM (1Yy3c)

86 Trans Am were all the rage in my senior year

Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2024 08:34 PM (fwDg9)

87 How 'bout The Horn Blows at Midnite w/ Jack Benny ?
Posted by: JT

I liked Jack Benny in movies. Loved his line delivery.

Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 08:34 PM (oaGWv)

88 73: one thing that bothers me most about the movie was the animation. I wish they had done it old school like they did for the Garfield animated specials in the 1980s. I too was a huge Garfield fan.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 08:34 PM (8sMut)

89
I say this to you now, O Moron, for your progeny shall grow to become a truck driver. As it is written, so shall it be done.
Posted by: Robert

--

ha. Woe be unto other drivers if such comes to pass.

It is funny to see him lean towards comedy more than action. All of his friends are Batman this and Airbender that, but he's the Garfield / Weird Al (he doesn't listen to him yet, but you know what I mean) type.

Although we did watch a bit of the airbender show and it was pretty neat. I don't think I've ever seen Mongols be the main character of a mainstream epic hero tale in the West before, so that was fun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - without abortion the black population would be 36 percent larger at May 25, 2024 08:34 PM (Hefla)

90 Hence his cameos in godfather and silence of the lambs corman

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:35 PM (PXvVL)

91 I've been trying to find a war movie that had a scene of a woman confessing to a priest (she thought) about intel she provided to the resistance movement that brought on a mistaken shelling of a school. She was arrested and put in front of a firing squad, and the hero, who loved her, shouted from his own prison window just before hearing the command, "Fire!"

I thought it had Gary Cooper in it, but no luck. Anybody here remember this movie?

Posted by: Ju at May 25, 2024 08:35 PM (aTmM/)

92 Trans Am were all the rage in my senior year

-

Now am trans are at high schools.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - without abortion the black population would be 36 percent larger at May 25, 2024 08:35 PM (Hefla)

93 Smokey And The Bandit was a 1977 summer movie as well.
Posted by: Mark1971

That was such a fun movie!
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (G1ktt)

Ran that, as well, that summer at one of the smaller theaters. As a part time projectionist, the union would assign you to a theater based on need, so you had the chance to work at most of the theaters, including drive-ins, in the area. Fun times.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at May 25, 2024 08:36 PM (iODuv)

94 For whom the bell tolls

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:36 PM (PXvVL)

95 Smokey And The Bandit was a 1977 summer movie as well.
Posted by: Mark1971


That was such a fun movie!
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 25, 2024 08:29 PM (G1ktt)

Jackie Gleason stole the movie.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:38 PM (SHMXB)

96 Eagle of the Pacific?

Guadalcanal and New Guinea became the graveyard for the air arm of the Imperial Japanese Navy more so than Midway did. Veteran pilots were sent to Rabaul, to Lae, and elsewhere to fight and die while the Americans kept rotating in new units and sending the veterans home to recoup and train new pilots.

For a companion piece there is always Sabruo Sakai's biography Samurai! as written by Martin Caiden. If Sakai had not been wounded tangling with TBF Avengers he would have also died on New Guinea.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 08:38 PM (WzJ8a)

97 Oh wow, we do have Comet. Never mind.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 08:39 PM (FkUwd)

98 Oh wow, we do have Comet. Never mind.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 08:39 PM (FkUwd)

You can clean yer sink !

Posted by: JT at May 25, 2024 08:40 PM (T4tVD)

99 we're talking Rekieta's throuple and how he wore the cursed medallion of Chris-chan -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea9Q8hbwt80

Posted by: mr metokur at May 25, 2024 08:40 PM (gKWVE)

100 That was a whole nother channel,

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at May 25, 2024 08:42 PM (PXvVL)

101 polynikes, I agree. Japanese movies are so depressing

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 25, 2024 08:42 PM (LIf6Z)

102 74 We saw it at a theater Dow on the OSU campus. Theater was packed and you're right. It was nothing like we'd ever seen before.
Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 08:27 PM (oaGWv)

F George Lucas for refusing to release the original movie on Blu-ray or DVD thank God I held onto my laser disks

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 25, 2024 08:42 PM (dKiJG)

103 Depressing?

Watch Matango nyah.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 08:43 PM (WzJ8a)

104 The words get stuck in my throat.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 25, 2024 08:43 PM (heFtr)

105 101 polynikes, I agree. Japanese movies are so depressing
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 25, 2024 08:42 PM (LIf6Z

=====

There's always Sweden!

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 08:43 PM (GBKbO)

106 Re: Memorial Day war movies. TCM ran the steel helmet this morning. Robert lippert’s foray into legitimacy. I like it.

Posted by: Blutarski at May 25, 2024 08:43 PM (Cp1vk)

107 re: original theatrical release of Star Wars from 1977. I used to have a two disc special edition that had that release. Alas disc rot has claimed it. So now have to trust the same rot has not claimed the laser disc.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 08:44 PM (WzJ8a)

108 polynikes, I agree. Japanese movies are so depressing
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 25, 2024 08:42 PM (LIf6Z)

I’m glad I’m not the only one that feels that way. I gave up after Kubo and the Two Strings.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:45 PM (SHMXB)

109 91 I've been trying to find a war movie that had a scene of a woman confessing to a priest (she thought) about intel she provided to the resistance movement that brought on a mistaken shelling of a school. She was arrested and put in front of a firing squad, and the hero, who loved her, shouted from his own prison window just before hearing the command, "Fire!"
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https://tinyurl.com/mk7eduuw

Skip to 1:35 minutes [3:06 total]

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 25, 2024 08:46 PM (ZdexC)

110 gyeongseong creature(Netflix) Pretty good Korean show about Japanese medical experiments going crazy, and a Information broker is arrested and task to find the Japanese Police chief’s pregnant mistress

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 25, 2024 08:47 PM (dKiJG)

111 6 Re: Memorial Day war movies. TCM ran the steel helmet this morning. Robert lippert’s foray into legitimacy. I like it.
Posted by: Blutarski at May 25, 2024 08:43 PM (Cp1vk)

Best low budget film I’ve ever seen. And one of the few Korean War movies.

War Hunt with Robert Redford’s debut was a pretty good Korean War movie.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:47 PM (SHMXB)

112 Gojira vis a vis Rodan

I think Rodan has a better plot and better main characters to relate to. And the setting itself is probably a statement also, grungy mining town populated by people being well people and that is all over shadowed by the mountain of spoil from the coal mine. Plus there is enough scientific window dressing at the start to almost sell the premise.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 08:49 PM (WzJ8a)

113 107 re: original theatrical release of Star Wars from 1977. I used to have a two disc special edition that had that release. Alas disc rot has claimed it. So now have to trust the same rot has not claimed the laser disc.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 08:44 PM (WzJ8a)

4K77, Lucas cut up the 77 movie and sold the Film to fans and prevent the original from every being seen again, He didn’t count on Fans buying the film and sending their snippets of film to Project 4K77 and they did a scan of the movie that shames what Disney could think of doing,

Do a search of 4K77 and you will find it.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 25, 2024 08:53 PM (dKiJG)

114 TCM is also showing the Burmese harp about the repatriation of Japanese soldiers after the war.

Posted by: Blutarski at May 25, 2024 08:53 PM (Cp1vk)

115 Godzilla is overrated.

TIL Kangaroos have 3 vaginas.

Posted by: Nato at May 25, 2024 08:56 PM (ciuRb)

116 NATO?

The British couldn't stop Gorgo from trashing London.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 08:57 PM (WzJ8a)

117 I've been trying to find a war movie that had a scene of a woman confessing to a priest (she thought) about intel she provided to the resistance movement that brought on a mistaken shelling of a school. She was arrested and put in front of a firing squad, and the hero, who loved her, shouted from his own prison window just before hearing the command, "Fire!"

I thought it had Gary Cooper in it, but no luck. Anybody here remember this movie?
Posted by: Ju

That sounds like a movie I watched with William Holden and Lilli Palmer. Couldn't remember the name so I looked it up. "The Counterfeit Traitor"

Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 08:57 PM (oaGWv)

118 Shudder has MONSTRUM

I am surprised that their hasn’t been more heist movies during a Monster rampage.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 25, 2024 08:58 PM (dKiJG)

119 Is anyone else looking forward to Kevin Costner’s new movie Horizon an American Saga?

Haven’t had a really good Western since forever.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 08:59 PM (SHMXB)

120 Kevin "Dances with the Waterworld Postman" Costner?

Pass.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:01 PM (WzJ8a)

121 Haven’t had a really good Western since forever.
Posted by: polynikes

I tripped over a Stony Burke episode today. Damn near forgot about that show.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 25, 2024 09:01 PM (WXNFJ)

122 Kevin "Dances with the Waterworld Postman" Costner?

Pass.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:01 PM (WzJ8a)

Kevin ‘ Open Range’ Costner

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:02 PM (SHMXB)

123 you'll want Open Range
You'll settle for Dances with Wolves
You'll get Waterworld

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:04 PM (WzJ8a)

124 I am bored of Kevin, don't think I care

Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2024 09:05 PM (fwDg9)

125 Costner is a boring, self-important filmmaker whose not nearly as good as he thinks he is.

Open Range is fine, and it's pretty easily his best film.

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 09:05 PM (GBKbO)

126 They advertised in the '60s that "You meet the nicest people on a Honda".

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 25, 2024 09:05 PM (a3Q+t)

127 Damn what did Costner do to you guys? He’s one of the few actors that keep their mouth shut.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:06 PM (SHMXB)

128 127 Damn what did Costner do to you guys? He’s one of the few actors that keep their mouth shut.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:06 PM (SHMXB)

====

He doesn't even do that anymore. I've always found him dull, but he endorsed Cheney in 2022.

Dances with Wolves is a terrible slog. The Postman is a joke.

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 09:08 PM (GBKbO)

129 we're talking Rekieta's throuple and how he wore the cursed medallion of Chris-chan -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea9Q8hbwt80

Posted by: mr metokur at May 25, 2024 08:40 PM (gKWVE)

Holy shit. Had no idea this happened.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 25, 2024 09:08 PM (xPl2J)

130 Honda generators are supposed to be quiet. What's this guy got to do with those? And about those dirt bikes, motorcycles and cars....

More importantly... can he get me a discount?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 25, 2024 09:10 PM (Q4IgG)

131 This is another one of those reviews where I come away with the feeling that TJM really likes the guy he’s reviewing.

I mean there’s always respect for the artist, but there are a few reviews where TJM and the artist seem sympatico.

I enjoyed the hell out of this write up

👊

Posted by: browndog growls at Gojira at May 25, 2024 09:10 PM (TTAGa)

132 What did Coster do?

He gave The Postman a happy ending.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:10 PM (WzJ8a)

133 So who is going to see Costner's two part western coming out this summer?

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:11 PM (1Yy3c)

134 Damn what did Costner do to you guys? He’s one of the few actors that keep their mouth shut.
Posted by: polynikes

I think they hold a grudge because he photographed wearing a Liz Cheney T-shirt on the st of Yellowstone. So much for keeping his mouth shut. I'm kind of interested in the new movie though. It got terrible reviews at Cannes which means it's probably not woke enough for the critics.

Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 09:11 PM (oaGWv)

135 Mr Brooks
Field of Dreams
Message in a Bottle
Tin Cup
A Perfect World
Untouchables
Bull Durham
No Way Out
Silverado

And my guilty pleasure - 3000 Miles to Graceland.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:12 PM (SHMXB)

136 *Snaps fingers*

TJM's next Movie Thread can be a COSTNER THREAD!

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:12 PM (1Yy3c)

137 Chotto matte

The Japanese are about to attack Pearl Harbor

Tora tora tora

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:16 PM (WzJ8a)

138 Costner and Baseball = Excellent

Costner and Westerns = Bi-Polar: Great or Dreck

Costner and Golf = 🤮

Posted by: browndog growls at Gojira at May 25, 2024 09:16 PM (TTAGa)

139 No Way Out deserves more recognition.

Posted by: davidt at May 25, 2024 09:16 PM (SYTee)

140 There's always Sweden!
Posted by: TJM's phone

Drunk *and* depressed is no way to go through life, Sven

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 25, 2024 09:16 PM (LIf6Z)

141 I decided long ago that “Destroy all Monsters “ was my favorite of all of the original Kaiju movies.

I also realized that if Godzilla psychologically represents a nuclear America, than the great dragon Ghidorah is obviously communist China, and it’s no surprise that Godzilla must be called upon to protect Japan from him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2024 09:18 PM (Y5w1c)

142 Costner and Golf = 🤮
Posted by: browndog growls at Gojira at May 25, 2024 09:16 PM (TTAGa)

Tin Cup? I remember enjoying it. Can't remember any details except a sex scene.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:18 PM (1Yy3c)

143 Costner and goofy sailboats - oh gawd.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2024 09:19 PM (Y5w1c)

144 Mifune is almost Three Stooges-level crazy in this flick. Swear he did a Curly wooowooowooooo at one point.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 09:20 PM (FkUwd)

145
They advertised in the '60s that "You meet the nicest people on a Honda".
Posted by: Duncanthrax


Honda 50's

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 25, 2024 09:20 PM (63Dwl)

146 No thread dealing with Godzilla movies should omit a link to Joe Lansdale's bizarre short story "Godzilla's Twelve Step Program."

So:
https://www.revolutionsf.com/fiction/godzilla/01.html

Enjoy

Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 25, 2024 09:20 PM (q3u5l)

147 I remember the Honda from the late 60s that came with a minibike that had mounts for a spare tire and a gas can; kind of an automotive lifeboat.

& g'night everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 25, 2024 09:20 PM (tQtDb)

148 TJM

Rattling the memory banks, during the war years did Honda Ishiro have any hand in the Toho war movie about Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:20 PM (WzJ8a)

149 Tin Cup? I remember enjoying it. Can't remember any details except a sex scene.
Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:18 PM (1Yy3c)

The fact that he really can’t play detracted from the movie.

He’s a natural at baseball, but watching him swing a golf club is painful to watch.

Posted by: browndog growls at Gojira at May 25, 2024 09:20 PM (TTAGa)

150 Costner and goofy sailboats - oh gawd.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2024 09:19 PM (Y5w1c)

Message in a Bottle was good until the sucky unnecessary depressing ending.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:21 PM (SHMXB)

151 Or Godzilla versus Bambi

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:21 PM (WzJ8a)

152 Defiance was a good movie iirc

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 25, 2024 09:21 PM (LIf6Z)

153 148 TJM

Rattling the memory banks, during the war years did Honda Ishiro have any hand in the Toho war movie about Pearl Harbor?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:20 PM (WzJ8a)

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Eagle of the Pacific deals with Pearl Harbor, but I don't think he was involved with a movie dealing with it during the war (Eagle came out almost a decade after). Though, I'm not too familiar with his credits as assistant director, so it's possible.

Posted by: TJM's phone at May 25, 2024 09:22 PM (GBKbO)

154 I think Mr Brooks is his best movie.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:23 PM (450a+)

155 145
They advertised in the '60s that "You meet the nicest people on a Honda".
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Honda 50's
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 25, 2024 09:20 PM (63Dwl)

Obligatory:

https://youtu.be/qZOGlgVldAs?si=fb-BZ9pQAIbsIUtO

Posted by: browndog growls at Gojira at May 25, 2024 09:23 PM (TTAGa)

156 OT this was suuuuuuuper smart.

https://youtube.com/shorts/jc8jqBt-IHU

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:24 PM (1Yy3c)

157 TJM

I have to find again a Godzilla fanzine that has an article on Toho special effects from that war movie to Godzilla.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:24 PM (WzJ8a)

158 LOL, Eris! got to see that! Toshiro Mifune doin' a Curly! LOL!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 25, 2024 09:24 PM (tQtDb)

159 TJM, you should do Apocalypse Now. The movie has become a time warped parody of every Viet Nam movie made afterwards.
Or Dr. Strangelove.

Posted by: Jamaica at May 25, 2024 09:25 PM (IG7T0)

160 Watched some clips on YouTube from Guy Ritchie's The Gentlemen.

I gotta see the whole movie.

Posted by: davidt at May 25, 2024 09:26 PM (SYTee)

161 I always liked Fandango, a very early Costner movie about 4 friends graduating from College in Vietnam war era Texas. Road trip movie, fantastic score by Pat Methany.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2024 09:26 PM (Y5w1c)

162 Mr Brooks
Field of Dreams
Message in a Bottle
Tin Cup
A Perfect World
Untouchables
Bull Durham
No Way Out
Silverado

And my guilty pleasure - 3000 Miles to Graceland.
Posted by: polynikes

I thought he was very good in "The Upside of Anger" with Joan Allen

BTW what's happened to Joan Allen. Haven't seen that's she's been a movie for ages.

Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 09:27 PM (oaGWv)

163 Ah here it is. From 1942

The War at Sea from Hawaii to Malaya.

Tsurubaya is credited with the effects. Honda not listed as part of main production staff.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:28 PM (WzJ8a)

164 "sounds like a movie I watched with William Holden and Lilli Palmer..."The Counterfeit Traitor."

That's it...many thanks.

Posted by: Ju at May 25, 2024 09:29 PM (aTmM/)

165 >>The fact that he really can’t play detracted from the movie.

He can shoot.


https://tinyurl.com/3yfxbbvm

Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2024 09:29 PM (LkLld)

166 Oh, I forgot to plug my favorite cute as a button YouTube reviewer.

Here she is reviewing Hitchcock's Blackmail from 1929.

https://youtu.be/CnyGfefIx6o

I watched it yesterday. Pretty damn good.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:29 PM (1Yy3c)

167 127 Damn what did Costner do to you guys? He’s one of the few actors that keep their mouth shut.
Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:06 PM (SHMXB)

For me he's really up and down. And as another poster commented, he has an inflated sense of self.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 09:29 PM (8sMut)

168 He’s a natural at baseball, but watching him swing a golf club is painful to watch.
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Should have gotten lessons from the Leafs and Sabres.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 25, 2024 09:29 PM (ZdexC)

169 Waterworld = Road Warrior With Boats

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 09:30 PM (8sMut)

170 I thought he was very good in "The Upside of Anger" with Joan Allen
----

Somebody described Costner's character, who happily invites himself into other people's homes and lives, as being like a golden retriever who smells bacon.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 09:31 PM (FkUwd)

171 For me he's really up and down. And as another poster commented, he has an inflated sense of self.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 09:29 PM (8s

That's most actors/directors. It comes with the territory like being a doctor.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:31 PM (450a+)

172 I also recently watched Greta Garbo's Anna Christie.

Ta know, two things occurred to me as I watched it.

One, I never saw a Garbo film before.

B, I never knew she was Swedish.

Really good movie, by the way. She wears this low cut number that's so low cut when she bends down you can see them itty bitty titties pretty clearly.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:32 PM (1Yy3c)

173 My favorite Costner movie is Open Range.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, My Two Cents at May 25, 2024 09:33 PM (hZc6Q)

174 Cool read. Thanks, TJM.

Posted by: scampydog at May 25, 2024 09:33 PM (JUf8E)

175 BTW what's happened to Joan Allen. Haven't seen that's she's been a movie for ages.
Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 09:27 PM (oaGWv)

Black Sheep was on the other day. She played the corrupt politician. But yeah, haven't seen her in two decades.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at May 25, 2024 09:35 PM (2QA3G)

176 From her IMDb listing looks like Joan Allen's been doing more television work for the last decade.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 25, 2024 09:38 PM (q3u5l)

177 Should have gotten lessons from the Leafs and Sabres.
Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 25, 2024 09:29 PM (ZdexC)

🤦‍♂️🙄🤣

Posted by: browndog growls at Gojira at May 25, 2024 09:38 PM (TTAGa)

178 That's most actors/directors. It comes with the territory like being a doctor.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 09:31 PM (450a+)

Yeah but try telling that to Costner.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 09:40 PM (8sMut)

179 Watched The Last Detail and Chinatown this week. Aka a movie about a sailor being taken to prison and a murder mystey involving the LA Water Dept.

Yet two films better than anything made this century.

As Nicholson says "I don't make movies; I make classics."

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at May 25, 2024 09:40 PM (wBaIH)

180 So it would appear that Furiosa is going to bomb the holiday weekend with less than 35 million dollars for the four day frame.

Ironically, you have to go back to 1983 when a Memorial Day film made 35 million dollars, that film was Return of The Jedi and adjusted for inflation, that 35 million dollar opening would be 110 Million dollars today.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:42 PM (XV/Pl)

181 >>Damn what did Costner do to you guys? He’s one of the few actors that keep their mouth shut.

Costner is a big fan of Pete Buttguy and a Biden supporter. He has been pretty open about both. Also a big Obama supporter.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2024 09:42 PM (LkLld)

182 Oh, the guy who wrote It's A Small World After All died.

Anyone want to speculate what level of hell he landed in?

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:43 PM (1Yy3c)

183 I looked up a list of the most disturbing horror movies ever and have been going through Roku watching them.

Tonight was supposed tobe ' Deliverance.' Of course, I know the plot even though I've never seen it. Basically how many of us Canadians have been treated by our govt for the last 4 years. And 'Eden Lake' from a few nights back toughened me up.

I was mentally prepared for this.Search it on Roku. $4.99 for a 1972 classic. I'll stream it when my computer room is finally done.

Tonight's movie is 'The Poughkeepsie Tapes' free on Prime.

Good night all.

Posted by: Stateless at May 25, 2024 09:43 PM (jvJvP)

184 180 So it would appear that Furiosa is going to bomb the holiday weekend with less than 35 million dollars for the four day frame.

Ironically, you have to go back to 1983 when a Memorial Day film made 35 million dollars, that film was Return of The Jedi and adjusted for inflation, that 35 million dollar opening would be 110 Million dollars today.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:42 PM (XV/Pl)

Hollywood is fucked.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:43 PM (1Yy3c)

185 I also recently watched Greta Garbo's Anna Christie.

Ta know, two things occurred to me as I watched it.

One, I never saw a Garbo film before.

B, I never knew she was Swedish.

Really good movie, by the way. She wears this low cut number that's so low cut when she bends down you can see them itty bitty titties pretty clearly.
Posted by: Robert

Watch some of her silent movies. She really dominates the screen.

Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2024 09:44 PM (oaGWv)

186 One of my favorite Honda films is-

"The H-Man".

A bit slow moving but it wants to creep you out and succeeds.

The "seriousness" of this movie probably gives you a good idea of what Godzilla would be more like if Honda had his way.

He tries to make as believable monster as was possible at that time.

It's fun. Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 25, 2024 09:44 PM (eDfFs)

187 Anyone want to speculate what level of hell he landed in?

Roommates with Tiny Tim and his ukelele?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:44 PM (WzJ8a)

188 @183

>>I looked up a list of the most disturbing horror movies ever and have been going through Roku watching them.

For my money, The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, Evil Dead and Phantasm are the most disturbing horror films.

I know Koreans do some crazy horror sh*t, but horror ain't my bag man.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:44 PM (XV/Pl)

189 184 180 So it would appear that Furiosa is going to bomb the holiday weekend with less than 35 million dollars for the four day frame.

Ironically, you have to go back to 1983 when a Memorial Day film made 35 million dollars, that film was Return of The Jedi and adjusted for inflation, that 35 million dollar opening would be 110 Million dollars today.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:42 PM (XV/Pl)

Hollywood is fucked.
Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:43 PM (1Yy3c)

Show of hands! Who wanted a Furiosa origin story? Who wanted to see a Mad Max movie without Mad Max?

No sympathies.

And there are THREE Mad Max movies. NEVER shall there be a fourth.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 09:46 PM (8sMut)

190 >>Hollywood is fucked.

Don't tease.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2024 09:46 PM (LkLld)

191 I dunno, man, Fury Road was pretty bad ass.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:47 PM (1Yy3c)

192 I know Koreans do some crazy horror sh*t, but horror ain't my bag man.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:44 PM (XV/Pl)

Why watch horror when you can study history?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 25, 2024 09:47 PM (8sMut)

193 Round out The H-Man which is an atomic Flying Dutchman movie meets police procedural with Honda's space opera Battle in Outer Space.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:47 PM (WzJ8a)

194 @184

>>Hollywood is fucked.

Pretty much.

If a action spectacle by George Miller can't get asses in the seats then nothing will.

Although I hear BeetleJuice Beetlejuice is tracking over 125M.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:47 PM (XV/Pl)

195 I would have preferred to see an origin story for Aunty Entity rather than Furiosa. All she says of her past is that she was "nobody, except on the day after, I was still alive, this nobody had a chance to be Somebody" sounds like there's a much more interesting story there.

Posted by: ObsidianKnife at May 25, 2024 09:49 PM (1Xis7)

196 Oh, the guy who wrote It's A Small World After All died.

Anyone want to speculate what level of hell he landed in?
Posted by: Robert

Errah..... he's riding shotgun right now.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy, Satan's Lyft driver at May 25, 2024 09:49 PM (2QA3G)

197 "The Juice is loose"

And no father figures in the trailer I saw. No Alec Baldwin and none of the other guy

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:49 PM (WzJ8a)

198 So it would appear that Furiosa is going to bomb the holiday weekend with less than 35 million dollars for the four day frame.

Ironically, you have to go back to 1983 when a Memorial Day film made 35 million dollars, that film was Return of The Jedi and adjusted for inflation, that 35 million dollar opening would be 110 Million dollars today.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:42 PM (XV/Pl)

Hollywood is fucked.
Posted by: Robert

I know Koreans do some crazy horror sh*t, but horror ain't my bag man.
Posted by: Thomas Bender


I try to catch all the Korean horor shit on Netflix*...

Just saw the "8 Show". Starts out boring and turns sadistic quite quickly... and then brutally sadistic.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 25, 2024 09:49 PM (cOq4q)

199 But who would you have playing a young Tina Turner chewing up the scenery and rising to the top of Bartertown?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:51 PM (WzJ8a)

200 ONT is nood as of five minutes ago.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:52 PM (1Yy3c)

201 While in HS we go see Tuesday Movies because only a buck.
I think I have seen every movie relased from 1983 to 85.

Only one we ever walked out of was some Dudley Moore film.
Not even worh one dollar.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 25, 2024 09:53 PM (cOq4q)

202 Well I just ordered a 'refurbished' Dell i7 desktop...think my Win 7 machine has finally shuffled off this mortal coil because it refuses to boot.

Thank goodness I have a Dell i5 laptop for backup.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2024 09:54 PM (WzJ8a)

203 But who would you have playing a young Tina Turner chewing up the scenery and rising to the top of Bartertown?

You think Zendaya would look good in a shiny metal bustier?

Posted by: ObsidianKnife at May 25, 2024 09:54 PM (1Xis7)

204 @189

>>Show of hands! Who wanted a Furiosa origin story? Who wanted to see a Mad Max movie without Mad Max?

You can do anything if it's done right but Hollywood, with precious few exceptions, can't do sh*t right anymore.

We are no longer a movie going culture.

Remember when movie reviewers were just as famous as the stars?

Hollywood has trained us not to care, so, we no longer care.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:54 PM (XV/Pl)

205 You think Zendaya would look good in a shiny metal bustier?
Posted by: ObsidianKnife at May 25, 2024 09:54 PM (1Xis7)

Zendaya!

Please, for the love of Gaad, don't encourage them.

Posted by: Robert at May 25, 2024 09:55 PM (1Yy3c)

206 😂

Posted by: ObsidianKnife at May 25, 2024 09:56 PM (1Xis7)

207 @205

>>Please, for the love of Gaad, don't encourage them.

Zendaya looks like a little girl, Diane Lane was 8 years younger than Zendaya when she did Streets of Fire.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 25, 2024 09:58 PM (XV/Pl)

208 I'll see the new Miller flick. I loved the stunts in Furiosa.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 10:02 PM (FkUwd)

209 All the best trilogies have four novels/movies.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 25, 2024 10:03 PM (ZdexC)

210 I passed on Fury Road for a long time because I believed all the grousing about it being ruined by ideology, when I actually sat down and watched it I thought, "oh it really was just losers whining on the internet."

Posted by: ObsidianKnife at May 25, 2024 10:06 PM (1Xis7)

211 "...when I actually sat down and watched it I thought, "oh it really was just losers whining on the internet."
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Yep.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 10:08 PM (FkUwd)

212 when I actually sat down and watched it I thought, "oh it really was just losers whining on the internet."
------

Yep.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 25, 2024 10:08 PM (FkUwd)

I'm no loser.

Posted by: polynikes at May 25, 2024 10:12 PM (450a+)

213 Maybe I'm just getting old, but for me the action sequences in Fury Road seemed too freakin' long and dragged out. I nearly fell asleep in spite of all the nifty stunt work.

Ditto John Wick 3.

Haven't caught JW4 yet (might get to it eventually) and will probably pass on Furiosa.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 25, 2024 10:14 PM (q3u5l)

214 The complainers made it sound like Fury Road was unwatchable feminist screed filled with stronk boring Mary-Sues like Mulan, and it wasn't like that at all. Not saying it didn't have its flaws but I found it thought very fun as a Mad Max fan. Don't know if Furiosa will be as good but I'll give it a shot.

Posted by: ObsidianKnife at May 25, 2024 10:20 PM (1Xis7)

215 Thanks for the horror recommendations. There are a lot of asian films on the list.

Korea's 'Train to Busan' was a great zombie flick.

50 minutes or so left in 'The Poughkeepsie Tapes.' Serial killer videos everything in grainy video and it's told documentary style through the eyes of law enforcement. Pretty boring. And I hate moving cameras.

I'm not a horror person either. Kid's comedy shows with mo blacks whining about racism or gays. But there are so many house renovations going on.

When I get overwhelmed, I think that at least I'm not a guy that pissed off 6 violent teens in the woods and they slowly stab me to death. Put's thing's in perspective....

Back to the movie. Big sigh. Good night all....

Posted by: Stateless at May 25, 2024 10:37 PM (jvJvP)

216 Costner is a dork. A rich dork. God love him, his best role was Robin Hood.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 25, 2024 10:41 PM (3hI7Q)

217 216 Costner is a dork. A rich dork. God love him, his best role was Robin Hood.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 25, 2024 10:41 PM 

Before lately, I've seen maybe less than 50 movies...definitely less than 100.

Loved that Robin Hood movie thougn..

Posted by: Stateless at May 25, 2024 11:02 PM (jvJvP)

218 Since you're looking for a topic, could you do a post about Poverty Row? Maybe mention some of the most notable films and directors that it produced, as well as it's lasting influence on filmmaking today? Thanks.

Posted by: Ed Snyder at May 26, 2024 02:18 AM (b2GbM)

219 You could do a thread on 'worse movies evar'. I nominate 'Waterworld'. So many things wrong with that movie.

Posted by: Eric2 at May 26, 2024 04:02 PM (q7Vou)

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