THE MORNING RANT: Recycling Wind Turbine Blades, or Recirculating Money from Suckers?

There is a lot of money being thrown at those promising to recycle spent “green energy” hardware that isn’t actually recyclable. The problem is that once the money is gone, the unrecycled waste continues to pile up.

The wind energy scam has been going on long enough now that decommissioned wind turbine blades are piling up by the thousands. Because recycling has become a near-religious virtue, and because the amount of waste is so staggering, there is a desperation to do something with the mountain of blades other than bury them.

Sweetwater, Texas has become a graveyard for thousands of these blades, filling many acres. Texas Monthly has been following the recycling scam perpetrated by a company which claimed it had a revolutionary technology to recycle the blades.

Thousands of Old Wind Turbine Blades Pile Up in West Texas [Texas Monthly – 8/24/2023]

The blades were brought here by Global Fiberglass Solutions, a company based in Washington State that announced in 2017 its intention to recycle blades from wind farms across the region. Instead of ending up in landfills, they would be ground up into a reusable material that could be turned into pallets, railroad ties, or flooring panels. Global Fiberglass is one of a few companies attempting to develop a viable business from recycling blades.

Global Fiberglass Solutions actually hit on a clever business model for this era – getting paid by those who want to claim they are engaged in the green act of “recycling.” Of course, there was the ethical problem that Global Fiberglass didn’t actually recycle the blades. But they got paid handsomely to haul the blades away with the promise of recycling them. Those paying Global Fiberglass could virtuously claim to have “recycled” their spent turbine blades. Unfortunately for residents of Sweetwater, the blades were simply dumped and abandoned in their town.

Some paid Global Fiberglass to remove the older blades and haul them away. The company set up shop in an empty industrial facility in Sweetwater that was once an aluminum recycling plant, but Don Lilly, the managing director of Global Fiberglass, told me that only a handful of blades have ever been ground up there. He said the company was close to ramping up and would soon mill the blades into pieces the size of coarse sand. “The blade material is sold,” he said, “but I can’t go into that part yet.”

“Close to ramping up…” How many suckers have heard that line as they “invest” in a revolutionary new technology?

Sweetwater has heard such pledges before. The county declared the stockpile a public nuisance a year ago.

It wasn’t just Sweetwater finding itself suckered into providing a dump for Global Fiberglass. The city of Newton, Iowa had a similar problem, ultimately determining that the “recycling operation” it had recruited to town was actually just an unpermitted dump.

Frank Liebl, executive director of the Newton Development Corporation, testified at a state hearing that the initial excitement in 2017 of recruiting a blade-recycling company soon soured. In the intervening years, he asked Global Fiberglass many times when it would begin its recycling. He always got “the same answer: ‘Soon,’ ” he said.

It is hardly surprising that a major corporation like GE got swindled by Global Fiberglass. GE needed to brag about recycling their wind turbines, so they paid Global Fiberglass to haul them away for that purpose. They obviously weren’t recycled.

Update, 9/25/2023: General Electric filed a lawsuit last week claiming that Global Fiberglass Solutions has failed to fulfill its promise to recycle thousands of blades. GE says it paid the company $16.9 million to recycle about five thousand wind turbine blades, but that GFS instead stockpiled them at facilities in Sweetwater and Iowa. “Only after GFS took millions of dollars from GE, did GFS all but shut down its operations without recycling the Blades,” reads the complaint, filed in U.S. district court in New York.

The Global Fiberglass scam predictably began with a promoter and his start-up company promising revolutionary green new technology. The founder has a degree in sociology, not anything scientific. Go figure. From a hagiographic newspaper story in Washington from 2015:

“Bothell Business Owner Creates New Industry for Recycling Fiberglass”

By all accounts Don Lilly, owner and mastermind behind Global Fiberglass Solutions, doesn’t fit the traditional mold of the industrial business owner. Despite owning a quickly-growing fiberglass recycling business, Lilly says he studied sociology while attending the University of Nebraska. It’s only been within the last half-decade the 50-year-old Bothell resident has taught himself chemistry and engineering. “I didn’t start out looking to be a decommissioning expert in wind turbine blades,” he said with a laugh…

In a follow-up piece at Texas Monthly from just a few days ago, it is reported that Newton, Iowa has successfully found a different start-up company to “recycle” its massive pile of wind turbine blades.

Iowa Is Cleaning Up Its Massive Pile of Wind Turbine Blades. Why Can’t Texas? [Texas Monthly 5/08/2024]

This finding has paved the way for a Tennessee company called Carbon Rivers to begin the lengthy process of recycling about one thousand blades into material to make, among other items, composite decking boards, ceiling tiles, and injection-molded automobile cupholders.
“We can entirely and completely reuse a wind turbine blade,” said David Morgan, the chief strategy officer of Carbon Rivers. “You have glass fiber and carbon fiber composite and resin and other constituent parts like wood and foam. All that can be recovered.” When I asked him what he saw when he looked at photographs of the blades in Sweetwater, he said, “I see a new boat, a new car, a new blade. There is no longer any need whatsoever to landfill composites.”

Sure.

While I would certainly like to see Carbon Rivers make the growing mountain of blades go away, I am highly skeptical. They have an almost endless supply of raw materials that they will be paid to take, yet they are receiving taxpayer grants rather than being self-sufficient with revenue from the sale of recycled products.

“Carbon Rivers Makes Wind Turbine Blade Recycling and Upcycling a Reality With Support From DOE” [Energy.gov – 10/17/2022]

Funded by the U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) Wind Energy Technologies Office, the Carbon Rivers project team, led by…in collaboration with the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, successfully scaled up a recovery process that has the capability to divert thousands of tons of waste that would otherwise be destined for landfills. To date, Carbon Rivers has upcycled a few thousand metric tons and is building capacity in their new facility to take in over 50,000 metric tons annually.

”…has the capability.” What this means is that the recycling of wind turbines blades is not actually happening, or at least it wasn’t in October 2022 when this was published. “A few thousand metric tons” of blades can be numbered in the dozens.

From just a few days ago, Carbon Rivers is still taking taxpayer money “to improve recycling of wind turbine blades…”

“Tennessee Making Waves with New Clean Energy Initiatives” [The Business Download – 4/05/2024]

The federal government has made millions of dollars available to the Volunteer State for new clean power projects that improve energy efficiency and grid resilience. The funding includes $1.1 million to Knoxville’s Carbon Rivers to improve recycling of wind turbine blades…

If Carbon Rivers is someday successful and profitable in recycling the wind turbine blades in Newton, Iowa, I will applaud and celebrate them. But I doubt that will be happening.

Here is one final quote from that most recent Texas Monthly piece, which captures the virtuosity in the fraud-to-date of recycling wind turbine blades:

Global Fiberglass has an office around the corner, connected to an open-sided industrial warehouse. “Recycling in Progress,” reads a sign on a box truck parked behind a chain-link fence, but the evidence suggests that’s an empty promise. The front steps to the office teem with weeds and wildflowers, including an intensely yellow patch of brown-eyed Susans that have grown from a crack in the pavement. I knocked on the locked door for a couple of minutes and yelled a greeting through the fence. As I waited for a response that never came, I peered at the remains of a gutted camper at what the company had promised would be a facility humming with activity.

“Recycling in Progress.” The money of suckers has been recirculated, but that is the only recycling that is in progress.

*****

My latest piece at The Pipeline, How Government Subsidies Put Money in Tesla’s Coffers, has been published.

In recent years, about 10 percent of Tesla’s gross income has come from the sale of carbon credits, which are awarded by various governmental agencies. Tesla then sells these credits to other auto manufacturers whose product is gasoline powered vehicles.

Whether you love Elon Musk or hate him, can we agree that Tesla should not be getting a cut of the action when someone buys a Honda or a Chevrolet?

My latest at The Pipeline: "How Government Subsidies Put Money in Tesla's Coffers" examines the market distortion enjoyed by Tesla due to government credits, including the staggering amount paid to Tesla by its ICE competitors for carbon credits.https://t.co/C3aWQhUs0S
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) May 12, 2024

I’d be honored if you’d give it a read.

buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 1st

Posted by: BruceWayne at May 13, 2024 11:00 AM (CIS44)

2 last

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:00 AM (GBKbO)

3 I nooded.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at May 13, 2024 11:01 AM (O7YUW)

4 https://www.youtube.com/live/3O3tj4naCng?feature=shared

Gotta link Andrea again.

Trial is resuming.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at May 13, 2024 11:02 AM (ufFY8)

5 It isn't just wind that has a recycling problem.

Solar panels have a lifespan of 10 to 20 years, which means some of the early installations are beginning to remove old panels which contain all kinds of heavy metals.

Posted by: SMOD at May 13, 2024 11:02 AM (RHGPo)

6 Fiberglass?

Kiss my ass!

Posted by: GFS at May 13, 2024 11:03 AM (ufFY8)

7 Global Fiberglass Solutions actually hit on a clever business model for this era – getting paid by those who want to claim they are engaged in the green act of “recycling.” Of course, there was the ethical problem that Global Fiberglass didn’t actually recycle the blades. But they got paid handsomely to haul the blades away with the promise of recycling them.

But we paid for our indulgences!!! Reeeeee!!!!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:03 AM (RJiwi)

8 When does Joe declare his "Climate Emergency"?

Posted by: BignJames at May 13, 2024 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

9 Plant them vertically in the ground along the border. Or is not all recycling sacred?

Posted by: t-bird at May 13, 2024 11:05 AM (1ilEC)

10 Lilly says he studied sociology while attending the University of Nebraska. It’s only been within the last half-decade the 50-year-old Bothell resident has taught himself chemistry and engineering. “I didn’t start out looking to be a decommissioning expert in wind turbine blades,” he said with a laugh…

OH! You've self-taught 2 extremely difficult fields in only 5 years, and that from a sociology major. Color me impressed. When you get around to it, perhaps you could solve the Grand Unified Theory. Perhaps on a weekend.

\sarc

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:05 AM (CsUN+)

11 I'm thinking a lawsuit should be in the works against GE on the premise that they should have known the recycling company didn't have the capability to do what they said.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 13, 2024 11:05 AM (gakDF)

12 Green is Gr$$n

Posted by: BignJames at May 13, 2024 11:05 AM (AwYPR)

13 When does Joe declare his "Climate Emergency"?
Posted by: BignJames

I assume post Memorial Day when his polling is still shit.

Posted by: BruceWayne at May 13, 2024 11:05 AM (CIS44)

14 LOL. The Economist gets Community Noted on X...

Quote Tweet: community notes violating people @cnviolations 17h

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Nayib Bukele @nayibbukele 7h
There was a 70% drop in 2023…

However, since the approval of the Exception Regime, there has been a 86% drop, and since we entered the government in 2019, the drop has reached 95%.

We project a 97% drop for 2024.

Receipts: statista.com/statistics/6961…

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 13, 2024 11:06 AM (ZdexC)

15 Lol - Sweetwater got left holding the bag here alright! Their biggest problem is that it will cost a lot to move that junk, and no one else wants it. They got themselves a tar baby.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 13, 2024 11:06 AM (8R4PA)

16 Because recycling has become a near-religious virtue, and because the amount of waste is so staggering, there is a desperation to do something with the mountain of blades other than bury them.

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Bury them along with nuclear waste in D.C. The Swamp to ensure that it never tips over. Hank Johnson can "author" the bill ...

Win-Win!

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:06 AM (h+jSp)

17 It isn't just wind that has a recycling problem.

Solar panels have a lifespan of 10 to 20 years, which means some of the early installations are beginning to remove old panels which contain all kinds of heavy metals.
Posted by: SMOD

You know what ends their lives in 6 months to a year? A good old fashioned hail storm. Twice a year.

No one ever thought to cover the panels with a 5/8" thick lexan pane as a shield. Watch a solar farm be destroyed in minutes when a hail storm passes over.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:06 AM (RJiwi)

18 LOL. The Economist gets Community Noted on X...

It's hard to believe The Economist used to be a serious periodical.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:07 AM (CsUN+)

19 My take-away?

Cleaning up after renewable, green, "clean" energy scams is profitable. Take these rubes to the proverbial cleaners.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 13, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)

20 You know who else recycled turbans?

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:08 AM (991eG)

21 Solyndra Two Electric Boogaloo

Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024 11:08 AM (Y6Wgg)

22 Typical. The honest, hardworking Americans get screwed while the liars, thieves, scammers and grifters are handsomely rewarded.

Posted by: I just love meritocracy don't you? at May 13, 2024 11:08 AM (Wc83a)

23 They got themselves a tar baby.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 13, 2024 11:06 AM (8R4PA)

Nah...they'll get a bail-out.

Posted by: BignJames at May 13, 2024 11:08 AM (AwYPR)

24
It's not easy being green.

Posted by: Kermit the Frog at May 13, 2024 11:08 AM (RKVpM)

25 I just wonder how much Global Fiberglass Solutions has contributed over the years to the reelection campaigns of Sen's Cantwell and Murray, Gov Inslee, and more than a few Representatives of the D persuasion?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:08 AM (W/lyH)

26 They got themselves a tar baby.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 13, 2024 11:06 AM (8R4PA)

Nah...they'll get a bail-out.

Yes. Yes they will.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:08 AM (CsUN+)

27 Many of the wind turbine props are made of balsa wood covered with fiberglass.

Posted by: SMOD at May 13, 2024 11:08 AM (RHGPo)

28 They got themselves a tar baby.

Posted by: Tom Servo a

Oh man, Im jealous
-Brer Rabbit

Posted by: BruceWayne at May 13, 2024 11:09 AM (CIS44)

29 We are ruled by people incapable of planning for the future.

Government, Non-Profits, Corporations, all are helmed by people whose only focus is the next 6 months. And think they are visionaries for looking 6 months ahead.

We're screwed because easily foreseeable consequences are treated like the wild ravings of a prophet eating locusts. (I'll note that prophet was also right.)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 13, 2024 11:09 AM (N1DT3)

30 At the least couldn't the blades be run through various hammer mills to turn them into small particles then land filled, taking up much less space?

Posted by: TC at May 13, 2024 11:10 AM (FjlUt)

31 Jerry Seinfeld's Commencement Address Sparks Walkout by Anti-Semites at Duke University

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Although only several dozen walked out, the boos were long and loud. I have no idea whether Seinfeld considers himself a Zionist but neither do the scum. The mask is off. This is naked Nazism.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:10 AM (L/fGl)

32 All of those discarded wind turbine pieces should be stored at whatever jackass governor's mansion or ass wipe legislature's office that authorized this boondoggle in the first place. Maybe smack a few of them over the head with the smaller pieces.

Repercussions Bitches.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2024 11:10 AM (IebSC)

33 It's all worth it because climate change!

April was the moistest on record, evidence of a long-predicted water vapor humidity feedback. That is not all. For eleven consecutive months, the Earth has experienced unprecedented heat temperatures. Last month, it was 1.58 Celsius warmer than the average.

This is a chilling warning of doom, considering that moisture content indicates wet bulb temperatures are also increasing and accelerating. What we are also observing is the long-predicted water vapour feedback within the climate system.

Posted by: Intercepted Daily Kos Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 13, 2024 11:11 AM (JCZqz)

34 The Worm Turns? RFK Flip Flops on Abortion AGAIN, Calls Last Week’s Position "Gruesome"

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The heartbreak of worm brain.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:11 AM (L/fGl)

35 They got themselves a tar baby.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 13, 2024 11:06 AM (8R4PA)

Nah...they'll get a bail-out.

Yes. Yes they will.
Posted by: Archimedes

Nah. Not by DC. Sweetwater is in a red state.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:11 AM (RJiwi)

36 PDT can use them for instant temporary border wall.

Posted by: DaveA at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (FhXTo)

37 We're screwed because easily foreseeable consequences are treated like the wild ravings of a prophet eating locusts. (I'll note that prophet was also right.)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 13, 2024 11:09 AM (N1DT3)

The WEF gets its way and we'll all be eating locusts.

Posted by: And no wild honey to help choke them down either at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (Wc83a)

38 April was the moistest on record,
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Could have used "wettest", but "moistest" triggers the karens better.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (gakDF)

39 whether Seinfeld considers himself a Zionist but neither do the scum. The mask is off. This is naked Nazism.
Posted by: Anonosaurus

He has strongly supported Israel .

Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (Y6Wgg)

40 What so called Green Project isn't a scam?
It's just another filing money from tax payers to Leftists

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (2VFj8)

41 At the least couldn't the blades be run through various hammer mills to turn them into small particles then land filled, taking up much less space?

Posted by: TC at May 13, 2024 11:10 AM (FjlUt)

You'll never get a government job w/an attitude like that.

Posted by: BignJames at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (AwYPR)

42 I have thought often that I should have come up with some green scam. That's basically what China has done the last few decades.

These idiots really do approach it like some sort of religion. I dont think they even want to know what's behind the curtain, they just want the bragging rights.

Im sort of surprised "fake" solar panels to put on your roof arent a thing.

Posted by: Blago at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (wMRY8)

43 One of the first things that I hope the Republicans do when they retake power (...ok stop laughing...) is to dismantle this entire grifting operation involving "Carbon Credits" aka modern day Green-religion Indulgences.

Remove the EPA's ability to regulate "carbon dioxide" or any other kind of naturally occurring chemical. Send the EPA offices to the furthest northern reaches of Alaska. Build a camp there for them. In the middle of nowhere. Connected via a single phone line. Thats it.

Posted by: Defenestratus at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (yjG8S)

44 April was the moistest on record, evidence of a long-predicted water vapor humidity feedback. That is not all. For eleven consecutive months, the Earth has experienced unprecedented heat temperatures. Last month, it was 1.58 Celsius warmer than the average.

This is a chilling warning of doom, considering that moisture content indicates wet bulb temperatures are also increasing and accelerating. What we are also observing is the long-predicted water vapour feedback within the climate system.

And when another drought year occurs, what will you say then?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (CsUN+)

45 April was the moistest on record, evidence of a long-predicted water vapor humidity feedback.

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It's not heat; it's the stupidity.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:13 AM (L/fGl)

46 33 It's all worth it because climate change!

April was the moistest on record, evidence of a long-predicted water vapor humidity feedback. That is not all. For eleven consecutive months, the Earth has experienced unprecedented heat temperatures. Last month, it was 1.58 Celsius warmer than the average.

This is a chilling warning of doom, considering that moisture content indicates wet bulb temperatures are also increasing and accelerating. What we are also observing is the long-predicted water vapour feedback within the climate system.
Posted by: Intercepted Daily Kos Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 13, 2024 11:11 AM (JCZqz)

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1. I guess there's nothing left to do than to prepare for the climate apocalypse.

2. Doesn't the world need a few genocides within the human population to survive?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:13 AM (GBKbO)

47 Jan Toorop (née Brady) eloped with Pieter Toorop (a.k.a. the Gorton's Fisherman) in 1976, causing the rest of her family to perform in the The Brady Bunch Variety Hour with her last-minute replacement. This portrait of Pieter was painted on their honeymoon in Bermuda, during the infamous Hurricane Marsha.

Sorry! Previous thread!

Posted by: Pete in Texas at May 13, 2024 11:13 AM (BHrzb)

48 Morning.

So what you're saying is that "green initiatives" aren't about *that* green but the other green.

Posted by: Robert at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (7wGAe)

49 OMG!!!!!

It's the long-predicted water vapour feedback event!!!

REEEEEE!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (W/lyH)

50 The fiberglass windmill blades should be recycled into 'Housing For Hamas'.

'I am itching all over my body.'
-achmed
'Me too.'
-jammal
'Yiiiiiyiiiiyiii"
-the goat

Posted by: Eromero at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (NxC5+)

51 The founder has a degree in sociology, not anything scientific.

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* Biden's retarded (BIRM) Chief Economic Advisor has entered the post *

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (2rX+c)

52 {17} ... No one ever thought to cover the panels with a 5/8" thick lexan pane as a shield. Watch a solar farm be destroyed in minutes when a hail storm passes over.

This year: "Insurance will pay for that."

Subsequent years: "Why does insurance cost so much now?!"

Posted by: The person who never understands the true cost of things at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (O7YUW)

53 April was the moistest on record, evidence of a long-predicted water vapor humidity feedback. That is not all. For eleven consecutive months, the Earth has experienced unprecedented heat temperatures. Last month, it was 1.58 Celsius warmer than the average.

This is a chilling warning of doom, considering that moisture content indicates wet bulb temperatures are also increasing and accelerating. What we are also observing is the long-predicted water vapour feedback within the climate system.
Posted by: Intercepted Daily Kos Transmissions

TRY to get a 30 year mortgage on beachfront property.

If the banks are still giving out 30 year loans, then there is no ocean rise.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (RJiwi)

54 WOW

Since 2009, Tesla has been paid over $9 billion by legacy auto manufacturers for carbon credits.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (ENQN6)

55 Yeah, I saw the latest April Hottest Ever crap along with Just Like The Past 6 Months EVAH!!! too even though, you know, it was snowing in Western Canada and the eastern-side US Rocky Mountain and the Midwest states.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (ZdexC)

56 The dispensation biz be bery bery good to Elon

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 13, 2024 11:15 AM (ENQN6)

57 Just like most of the "single stream recycling " is actually going to landfills which it turns out is better for the environment than trying to recycle plastics because you get "microplastics" when recycling plastics and that gets into literally everything....
They continue the illusion that they are recycling by using recycling bins and a separate truck to pick up. They won't stop because everyone is now "trained" and they don't want to undo that.
Move on, nothing to see here.
I recycle metal, cardboard, and glass. Everything else goes into the trash bin.

Posted by: lin-duh at May 13, 2024 11:15 AM (k1ci7)

58 Look, if we didn't create these problems in the first place, you'd never feel good about paying us to solve them.

Posted by: The Deep State at May 13, 2024 11:15 AM (KfN19)

59 ”…has the capability.” What this means is that the recycling of wind turbines blades is not actually happening, or at least it wasn’t in October 2022 when this was published. “A few thousand metric tons” of blades can be numbered in the dozens.
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Technically, I am sure they. "Global Fiberglass Solutions" can also probably technically achieve their method (it seems pretty simple, at least based on the above descriptions.

But it isn't a technical problem, it's an economic and energy problem. How expensive is it to make "injection-molded automobile cupholders" out of this stuff as compared to the alternatives? How much energy does it take to haul that blade away, recycle it, haul the produced material to somewhere else, and finally get it to the same point as other materials would enter the production process? It this exercise energy positive or energy negative?

It's obviously economically negative because if it weren't, these would be going concerns. But I am willing to bet it's *also* energy-negative and probably pollution-negative, too. Recycling is usually bad value in all those dimensions (metals are a notable exception).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:15 AM (d04cU)

60 49 OMG!!!!!

It's the long-predicted water vapour feedback event!!!

REEEEEE!!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM (W/lyH)

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The thing that's never been proven even in lab conditions is suddenly happening now! It just took...more than 200 years of the industrial revolution for it to happen.

All while Europe promised so much to make themselves carbon neutral.

Well, I guess the only thing left to do is nuke China.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

61 April was the moistest on record, evidence of a long-predicted water vapor humidity feedback.

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It's not heat; it's the stupidity.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

It's a wet stupidity.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:15 AM (RJiwi)

62 The honest, hardworking Americans get screwed while the liars, thieves, scammers and grifters are handsomely rewarded.
Posted by: I just love meritocracy

Tee hee!

Posted by: Speaker MAGA Mike at May 13, 2024 11:16 AM (UULz4)

63 What we are also observing is the long-predicted water vapour feedback within the climate system.
Posted by: Intercepted Daily Kos Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 13, 2024 11:11 AM (JCZqz)

========

1. I guess there's nothing left to do than to prepare for the climate apocalypse.

2. Doesn't the world need a few genocides within the human population to survive?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:13 AM (GBKbO)
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Alrighty then!
Sounds like it's time to settle a few accounts before we all perish.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:16 AM (W/lyH)

64 The federal government has made millions of dollars available to the Volunteer State for new clean power projects that improve energy efficiency and grid resilience.

The best choice is, as it has always been, nuclear. They could reverse the Carter era prohibition on reprocessing fuel, which would lessen the need for long term storage, and then store the spent fuel at 38.53.23N x 77.00.38W where it won't affect any living creatures.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:16 AM (T7iTv)

65 Moist? I better put on my foul weather gear if there is an increase chance of moistness.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2024 11:16 AM (LkLld)

66 Thx Buck

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (ENQN6)

67 Buck, I will read your article for sure, I don’t want to assume your stance. My issue is the government offering carbon credits to start, not Tesla taking advantage of government stupidity. Carbon credits are akin to unicorn toots. I can sell mason jar upon mason jar of those. Ping me if you want one.

Posted by: Piper at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (p4NUW)

68 Guys, if you give me money I promise I'll give you value beyond your meager reckonings. For I have the capability of creating great value.

I promise. You can trust me.

Posted by: Robert at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (7wGAe)

69 Did someone say "moist"?

Posted by: Helen Thomas at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (FjlUt)

70 What The Media Won’t Tell You About the Energy Transition

The hype, and the reality, about the energy transition in 10 charts

https://bit.ly/3UYW2ur

My take from this article is that the "energy transition" that is going on is not from good, efficient energy like coal/oil/gas to bad, inefficient "renewable" energy, but rather transitioning Western civilization off of good, efficient energy and on to bad, inefficient energy... while countries like China and India ramp up with more and more good, efficient energy (coal, oil, gas).

So basically the worldwide balance of good, efficient energy sources remains the same, but Western civilization stops using it, while China and India use more of it. So this is just a transition to cripple Western civilization and increase the power of China and India.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (P5BPp)

71
TRY to get a 30 year mortgage on beachfront property.

If the banks are still giving out 30 year loans, then there is no ocean rise.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:14 AM

If you still have to dig footings to some specified depth because of frost levels - and that number has not changed in half a century - then there's no warming.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (RKVpM)

72 As an engineer, waste is an inefficiency so definitionally bad.

But recycling has limitations. It doesn't really work most places. Recycling motor oil feeds a furnace somewhere - no one is filtering and re-refining and turning it into oil to put back in a car. Metal has real value in recycling - way easier to shred a car and melt it down than to dig ore out of the ground and refine it. People will pay you for metal because it has value.

Posted by: blaster at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (IFNME)

73 Ironic that the same people bitching about how climate change is going to kill us all at the same time bitch that humanity is a virus on the planet that should all die anyway. So, if that's the case, why spend so much time opposing an alleged phenomenon that's going to wipe us all out? Wouldn't you be all about that climate change extinction event?

Posted by: I prefer SMOD at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (Wc83a)

74 But it isn't a technical problem, it's an economic and energy problem. How expensive is it to make "injection-molded automobile cupholders" out of this stuff as compared to the alternatives? How much energy does it take to haul that blade away, recycle it, haul the produced material to somewhere else, and finally get it to the same point as other materials would enter the production process? It this exercise energy positive or energy negative?

Energy is free silly. They'll just use EV trucks to haul it and solar to recycle it.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (RJiwi)

75 2. Doesn't the world need a few genocides within the human population to survive?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:13 AM (GBKbO)
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These people are impatient.

Problem: climate change will cause a mass human die-off
Solution: impose an artificial mass human die-off

What's their hurry? If they're right, they can just do nothing and the timeline barely changes anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:18 AM (d04cU)

76 Humidity is bad now? I thought drought was bad. It’s almost as if no matter what happens it’s a climate emergency and we’re all gonna die,

Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024 11:18 AM (Y6Wgg)

77 April was the moistest on record,
Could have used "wettest", but "moistest" triggers the karens better.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 13, 2024 11:12 AM (gakDF)

Mike Douglas, oh Mike Douglas. You know Mike Douglas used to make me moist when I watched his show. Only white man ever do that to me was Mike Douglas.

Posted by: Granny Klump at May 13, 2024 11:18 AM (IebSC)

78 ... water vapor humidity feedback event.

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AKA as "condensation."

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:18 AM (2rX+c)

79 75 These people are impatient.

Problem: climate change will cause a mass human die-off
Solution: impose an artificial mass human die-off

What's their hurry? If they're right, they can just do nothing and the timeline barely changes anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:18 AM (d04cU)

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I'm trying to cross the climate change and Israel/Hamas streams.

There has got to be some far left loon on DU who's cheering on the "genocide" in Gaza for Gaia.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:19 AM (GBKbO)

80 Energy is free silly. They'll just use EV trucks to haul it and solar to recycle it.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (RJiwi)
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Right, of course.

I really need to get over my pre-magic thought processes. In today's world of magic, they've become a liability.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:19 AM (d04cU)

81 68 Guys, if you give me money I promise I'll give you value beyond your meager reckonings. For I have the capability of creating great value.

I promise. You can trust me.
Posted by: Robert at May 13, 2024 11:17 AM (7wGAe)

Cool, how's ten million sound? Twenty? I mean, for great value, it's with it! No business plan? No deliverable product? No problem!

Posted by: Modern venture capitalist at May 13, 2024 11:20 AM (Wc83a)

82 * Biden's retarded (BIRM) Chief Economic Advisor has entered the post *
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor

Didja see Musk's exp!anation of the Fed?

https://shorturl.at/swLT2

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:20 AM (L/fGl)

83 TRY to get a 30 year mortgage on beachfront property.

If the banks are still giving out 30 year loans, then there is no ocean rise.
Posted by: rickb223 at

Try getting homeowners on it. Heck, don’t even live on the beach. Live on the gulf coast and try to get homeowners.

Posted by: Piper at May 13, 2024 11:20 AM (p4NUW)

84 Recycling motor oil feeds a furnace somewhere - no one is filtering and re-refining and turning it into oil to put back in a car.

True, but it does make an excellent pomade.

Posted by: Gavin Noisome at May 13, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

85 What we are also observing is the long-predicted water vapour feedback within the climate system.
Posted by: Intercepted Daily Kos Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 13, 2024 11:11 AM (JCZqz)

Here in Washington State we have perfected the water vapor feedback protection device. It's called an umbrella.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:20 AM (W/lyH)

86 “Carbon Rivers Makes Wind Turbine Blade Recycling and Upcycling a Reality With Support From DOE” [Energy.gov – 10/17/2022]

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Even MOAR taxpayer dollars?

This is my shocked face ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:21 AM (2rX+c)

87 When you’re recycling something that never should’ve been in the first place, you can be pretty sure you’re part of the tail end of a scam.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 13, 2024 11:21 AM (jbnUc)

88 The Dems keep threatening that Biden is going to declare a Climate Emergency and use "emergency powers" to do all the stuff they want to do us but can't now because we won't let them.

Posted by: blaster at May 13, 2024 11:21 AM (IFNME)

89 April was the moistest on record

Now there's a problem I'll never have...

Posted by: Hillary! at May 13, 2024 11:22 AM (hKf3k)

90 88 The Dems keep threatening that Biden is going to declare a Climate Emergency and use "emergency powers" to do all the stuff they want to do us but can't now because we won't let them.

Posted by: blaster at May 13, 2024 11:21 AM (IFNME)

=======

"For the climate emergency, we must suspend elections."
-Biden

"Well, we're going to file a lawsuit and hope for the best. Donate today."
-The GOPe

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

91 Elon is a master scammer. Smart certainly, but Gov money has paid a lot of his bills.

In this example Congress is the senior citizen.

Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 11:22 AM (Z8Yh2)

92 Katie doesn't like the word "moist".

https://youtu.be/89Lk7eOkht4

Posted by: spindrift at May 13, 2024 11:22 AM (OguvZ)

93 When you’re recycling something that never should’ve been in the first place, you can be pretty sure you’re part of the tail end of a scam.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 13, 2024 11:21 AM (jbnUc)
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Meh. Not if it works. If it works, it's a solution to the problem. The problem should never have existed, but it was contrived into being and someone figured out a solution. That's a good thing. Eat the output of the mistake, and turn it into the input for a non-mistake. That's the best possible outcome for a mistake.

But only if it works. The amount of subsidy involved indicates that it does not. In that case, it's just another mistake. Piling it up an out-of-the-way place and pretending the whole damn thing never happened is probably a much better solution.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:23 AM (d04cU)

94 We are ruled by people incapable of planning for the future.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 13, 2024 11:09 AM (N1DT3)

I have unlimited funds. I can always borrow what I want. If I need more, I can steal from you. I will never be punished for being wrong.

I planned for the future by entering government "service". Everything after that is easy street.

-- our rulers

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:23 AM (T7iTv)

95 Fascists and other totalitarians never cease to make the Karens moist.

Posted by: Another reason they shouldn't vote at May 13, 2024 11:23 AM (Wc83a)

96 Wind turbine manufacturers seeking subsidies can present attractive computer modeling showing the math but they never have to deal with the after-math.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:23 AM (991eG)

97 Right, of course.

I really need to get over my pre-magic thought processes. In today's world of magic, they've become a liability.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Welcome to Team Let It Burn.

Where sometimes the only correct thing to do is step back and let it crash.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:24 AM (RJiwi)

98 There are white water rapids in the storm drain in my front yard right now and a water fall down the driveway. Wonder if I should break out the canoe and try to one up Florida…

Posted by: Piper at May 13, 2024 11:24 AM (p4NUW)

99 Didja see Biden's Mother's Day message?

https://shorturl.at/fvFVY

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:24 AM (L/fGl)

100 91 Elon is a master scammer. Smart certainly, but Gov money has paid a lot of his bills.

In this example Congress is the senior citizen.
Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 11:22 AM (Z8Yh2)

Yeah, no.

Certainly he has received government contracts with SpaceX and some amount of subsidy on the manuacture and sales of EVs.

But MOST of his money the old fashioned way.

Posted by: blaster at May 13, 2024 11:25 AM (IFNME)

101 Elon does an Indian carbon dance using horse feathers.
Then.
Rich people give Elon tons of money.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 13, 2024 11:25 AM (J8LnB)

102 I got into the wrong line of work.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 13, 2024 11:25 AM (xcxpd)

103 April was the moistest on record

Now there's a problem I'll never have...
Posted by: Hillary! at May 13, 2024 11:22 AM (hKf3k)

Mission scrubbed. Return to base.

Posted by: Bill's Bent Heat Seeking Moisture Missile at May 13, 2024 11:25 AM (4I/2K)

104 We are ruled by people incapable of planning for the future.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 13, 2024 11:09 AM (N1DT3)
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It might be worse than that. I think it might be that we are ruled by two kinds of people:
1. People who don't know that the future exists
2. People who don't care about the future, because they expect to be dead by then ("in the long run, we'll all be dead")

The former group aren't people. The thing that sets man apart from the beasts is that we discovered the future. The future was the most important discovery in human history. The latter group are people, but they're also demons.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:25 AM (d04cU)

105 84 Recycling motor oil feeds a furnace somewhere - no one is filtering and re-refining and turning it into oil to put back in a car.

True, but it does make an excellent pomade.

and a not-quite-so-excellent lemonade

Posted by: anachronda at May 13, 2024 11:25 AM (v3pYe)

106 Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Even if we can recycle all of the blades, concrete, and hubs, the net change is more energy was used to produce less energy. And that ratio is very large.

We should require administrators and politicians to obey the Laws of Thermodynamics. Otherwise, make them learn to dig channels.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 13, 2024 11:26 AM (u82oZ)

107 102 I got into the wrong line of work.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, PNW MOME June 1st at May 13, 2024 11:25 AM (xcxpd)

=======

Sandman seems to have its perks. Until you reach 30, that is.

But you could always renew at Carousel.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:26 AM (GBKbO)

108 The Dems keep threatening that Biden is going to declare a Climate Emergency and use "emergency powers" to do all the stuff they want to do us but can't now because we won't let them.

It was only 2016 when there was a meme of very sad looking Obamanites in front of the WH and the caption "TFW you spend the last 4 years weaponizing the federal government, only to turn it over the Donald Trump".

These people are exceptionally slow learners.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:26 AM (CsUN+)

109 96 Wind turbine manufacturers seeking subsidies can present attractive computer modeling showing the math but they never have to deal with the after-math.

i thought the after-math was how you felt when the test was over.

Posted by: anachronda at May 13, 2024 11:26 AM (v3pYe)

110 "but Gov money has paid a lot of his bills."

I'll stand by it.

Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 11:27 AM (Z8Yh2)

111 What about those Trex decking boards?

Posted by: I gotta ask at May 13, 2024 11:27 AM (dg+HA)

112 The tip of a wind turbine blade 50 meters long (100 m diameter) rotating 15 times per minute moves at about 175 mph.

I'll bet those eagles never even see that coming.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:27 AM (991eG)

113 106 Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Even if we can recycle all of the blades, concrete, and hubs, the net change is more energy was used to produce less energy. And that ratio is very large.

not if we get the energy to recycle them from giant windmills!

Posted by: anachronda at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM (v3pYe)

114 We should require administrators and politicians to obey the Laws of Thermodynamics.

It's not just a suggestion, it's the law!

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM (CsUN+)

115 We should require administrators and politicians to obey the Laws of Thermodynamics. Otherwise, make them learn to dig channels.

Posted by: NaCly Dog

Burn the witches!!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM (RJiwi)

116 Here in Washington State we have perfected the water vapor feedback protection device. It's called an umbrella.
Posted by: Diogenes

Bumbershoots are for fags.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM (EitEl)

117 Who didn't know paying someone else to do save your ass to save the planet wasn't a scam?
Think I did from first time I heard of this.

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM (2VFj8)

118 Do people even understand the "Carousel" thing?

I work with people who have never seen "Stripes" for crying out loud.

Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM (Z8Yh2)

119 Even if we can recycle all of the blades, concrete, and hubs, the net change is more energy was used to produce less energy. And that ratio is very large.

We should require administrators and politicians to obey the Laws of Thermodynamics. Otherwise, make them learn to dig channels.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 13, 2024 11:26 AM (u82oZ)
++++
Energy efficiency should be the baseline standard and it isn't. In anything. We're still energy-rich - for now - but people think that energy is free. It isn't.

The "greenest" car on the road is the oldest one still using most of its original parts. My 2006 V8 car is greener than by 2017 4-cylinder car, despite its much thirstier powerplant. The amount of energy my car - either of them - will consume over its operational life is unlikely to exceed the energy required to manufacture it start-to-finish.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:29 AM (d04cU)

120 I'll bet those eagles never even see that coming.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:27 AM (991eG)

I fuckin' hate the Eagles, man!

Posted by: The Dude at May 13, 2024 11:29 AM (Wc83a)

121 Sure. But then take the completely fungible cost and capital you expend in "recycling" this trash into account when you calculate its efficiency. It puts it all the more in the negative. Even worse if they were were stupid enough to power the recycling effort with "green energy". I share a world with multitudes of ignorant savages shaking their sticks at the sky in order to change weather.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 13, 2024 11:29 AM (Y6IkP)

122 Didja see Musk's exp!anation of the Fed?

https://shorturl.at/swLT2

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:20 AM (L/fGl)

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Heh. Missed that, thanks ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:29 AM (2rX+c)

123
You cannot recycle plastics to make articles of equal or higher value, only lower value.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:29 AM (MoZTd)

124 I work with people who have never seen "Stripes" for crying out loud.
Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM

Who are these communists?!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 13, 2024 11:29 AM (FAGAJ)

125 118 Do people even understand the "Carousel" thing?

I work with people who have never seen "Stripes" for crying out loud.
Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM (Z8Yh2)

=======

Mark will understand.

Mark is of the body.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (GBKbO)

126 112 Most folks don't realize how huge a wind turbine is, just driving by a farm. And then you see, say, a pickup truck parked by one.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (V5eKu)

127 Last month, it was 1.58 Celsius warmer than the average.
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WHAT average???

Posted by: ... at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (KaovF)

128 Wind turbine manufacturers seeking subsidies can present attractive computer modeling showing the math but they never have to deal with the after-math.

i thought the after-math was how you felt when the test was over.
Posted by: anachronda

Regret. Disgust. Dread. Apprehension. And that was all before the end of class!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (RJiwi)

129 *stands on bluff overlooking Sweetwater's blade recycling depot, sheds a single tear*

Posted by: Iron Eyes Cody at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (4I/2K)

130 "Carbon Rivers" seems prophetic.

Posted by: Ribbed at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (Ectld)

131 Which seaside metro area is now underwater that wasn't 10 years ago, again?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (GBKbO)

132 111 What about those Trex decking boards?
Posted by: I gotta ask

I bet it could go into a lot of things. The question is the cost involved to do it. Is it more than current methods or less? My bet is more.

Posted by: Piper at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (p4NUW)

133 >>In this example Congress is the senior citizen.

In this case the government is the scammer and Musk was the guy smart enough to figure out how to turn the money spigot on.

Musk didn't talk government into coming up with these boondoggles, they did that all on their own.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (LkLld)

134 I share a world with multitudes of ignorant savages shaking their sticks at the sky in order to change weather.

Many of them were raised on Harry Potter, so that's understandable.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (CsUN+)

135 I hate umbrellas. More trouble than they're worth. I just wear a hat and walk fast in the rain.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (9yWhg)

136 135 I hate umbrellas. More trouble than they're worth. I just wear a hat and walk fast in the rain.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (9yWhg)

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I hate sand.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)

137 I work with people who have never seen "Stripes" for crying out loud.
Posted by: Disgusted

Get a spatula! Stat!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:31 AM (RJiwi)

138 Princeton Nazi campers take it to the next level!

Princeton Israeli Apartheid Divest
@PtonDivestNow
PRINCETON GAZA SOLIDARITY ENCAMPMENT UPDATE: Due to health concerns of the 13 strikers who fasted for 9 days, the first hunger strike wave ended and the second wave has begun. In the tradition of rotary hunger strikes, 7 new strikers are indefinitely fasting for a free Palestine.

-
It's like my diet. I diet except when it's meal or snack time.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:31 AM (L/fGl)

139 This is rich..."Eco-Fascist"

via Insty

https://tinyurl.com/8hr99n3j

Posted by: BignJames at May 13, 2024 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

140 Regret. Disgust. Dread. Apprehension.

For some, a way of life.

Posted by: Thanks for that at May 13, 2024 11:31 AM (Wc83a)

141 31
‘ This is naked Nazism.’

It is a good thing for left wing Jews to see though.
It shows them where their and their children’s interests lie.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 13, 2024 11:31 AM (jbnUc)

142 "Many of them were raised on Harry Potter, so that's understandable."

Virtuous signalloso!

Posted by: Ribbed at May 13, 2024 11:31 AM (Ectld)

143
Who are these communists?!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

_________

*polite cough*

I don't watch movies, so I'm afraid I'm one of those communists.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM (MoZTd)

144 Legal Insurrection

Chinese bio-warfare ghouls create a new Frankenstein virus by using part of the Ebola virus.

Of the ten hamsters used in the test, 8 died.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM (EKMkO)

145 I share a world with multitudes of ignorant savages shaking their sticks at the sky in order to change weather.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 13, 2024 11:29 AM (Y6IkP)

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* cue the "devolution" bumper sticker of an upright walking human gradually descending back to an ape *

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM (2rX+c)

146 I hate umbrellas. More trouble than they're worth. I just wear a hat and walk fast in the rain.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (9yWhg)

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I hate sand.

And they say people get cranky when they get old.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM (CsUN+)

147 Didja see Biden's Mother's Day message?

https://shorturl.at/fvFVY
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

********

Let me guess. His mother was eaten by a tribe of lesbians in Papua New Guinea back in '53.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM (991eG)

148 "Virtuous signalloso!"

Nice

Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM (Z8Yh2)

149 The "greenest" car on the road is the oldest one still using most of its original parts.

1962 Mercedes Benz Diesel.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:33 AM (RJiwi)

150 59 But it isn't a technical problem, it's an economic and energy problem. How expensive is it to make "injection-molded automobile cupholders" out of this stuff as compared to the alternatives?

the root sections of some of those really large blades should be big enough to be converted into affordable housing for the homeless. whack 'em off, install a door and some windows, and stand 'em up in some sparsely populated area like Nevada.

Posted by: anachronda at May 13, 2024 11:33 AM (v3pYe)

151
Chinese bio-warfare ghouls create a new Frankenstein virus by using part of the Ebola virus.

__________

Killing people is the national sport of China.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:33 AM (MoZTd)

152 {147} ... Let me guess. His mother was eaten by a tribe of lesbians in Papua New Guinea back in '53.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM (991eG)

Cannibal lesbians. Poor Beau. He never stood a chance. Again.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at May 13, 2024 11:33 AM (O7YUW)

153 Somebody could come up with a perfectly reasonable, cost effective use for those turbine blades. People would say "hey, what a great idea, this will benefit a lot of people". And then the feds would step in, requiring environmental impact studies, use of DEI in employment, and just generally five years of bullshit before it could take off.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024 11:34 AM (V5eKu)

154 "Of the ten hamsters used in the test, 8 died."

That's more like it.

Posted by: The Healthcare Gnome a.k.a. I AM THE SCIENCE at May 13, 2024 11:34 AM (Ectld)

155 Instead of ending up in landfills, they would be ground up into a reusable material that could be turned into pallets, railroad ties, or flooring panels.

Also, floor wax and dessert topping!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 13, 2024 11:34 AM (bo7UB)

156 PRINCETON GAZA SOLIDARITY ENCAMPMENT UPDATE: Due to health concerns of the 13 strikers who fasted for 9 days, the first hunger strike wave ended and the second wave has begun. In the tradition of rotary hunger strikes, 7 new strikers are indefinitely fasting for a free Palestine.

Quick, Israel! Stop being upset about your people getting bombed because 7 DA kids in NJ are not eating 3 meals a day!

Posted by: Piper at May 13, 2024 11:34 AM (p4NUW)

157 Didja see Biden's Mother's Day message?

https://shorturl.at/fvFVY
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

I have to give Biden and his cronies credit. Every time I think that they have hit bottom, they get out their shovels and dig even lower. Nothing says 'Celebrate Mom' like abortion and Trump is a monster in one ad.

Posted by: Cheri at May 13, 2024 11:35 AM (oiNtH)

158 Replace the current White House fence with those turbine blades.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2024 11:35 AM (EKMkO)

159 Instead of ending up in landfills, they would be ground up into a reusable material that could be turned into pallets, railroad ties, or flooring panels.

Also, floor wax and dessert topping!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 13, 2024 11:34 AM (bo7UB)

Resurgence!

Posted by: Formica and Linoleum at May 13, 2024 11:36 AM (4I/2K)

160 31 This is naked Nazism.

i thought naked nazism was what ernst roehm did in private.

Posted by: anachronda at May 13, 2024 11:36 AM (v3pYe)

161 Eco-fascist, does that mean they're for or against "eco"? I may be an okra-fascist, depending on how the semantics are supposed to work. I'm against.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 13, 2024 11:36 AM (Y6IkP)

162 Chinese bio-warfare ghouls create a new Frankenstein virus by using part of the Ebola virus.

Of the ten hamsters used in the test, 8 died.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM (EKMkO)

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Dr. Faucistein built that with your money! As he orgasms into his poor long-suffering ficus over the coming prospect (SWIDT?) of billions of human deaths.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:36 AM (2rX+c)

163 Skiny trench, drop blades in, insta wall. Add inlocking fields of fire, border closed

Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 11:36 AM (Z8Yh2)

164 I hate umbrellas. More trouble than they're worth. I just wear a hat and walk fast in the rain.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:30 AM (9yWhg)

Having visited the Philippines during monsoon season, I have learned acceptance of being wet.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:37 AM (T7iTv)

165 Food = bad. Ban food for the chirruns!

A new U.S. government study claims that up to a quarter of urban air pollution is from cooking food.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:37 AM (L/fGl)

166 In the tradition of rotary hunger strikes, 7 new strikers are indefinitely fasting for a free Palestine.

Rotary hunger strikes are a tradition? I don't think so, I think they just got hungry.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:37 AM (CsUN+)

167 IDF is about to set them all free. They won't ever have to scrounge for rights to their homeland again.

Posted by: The Healthcare Gnome a.k.a. I AM THE SCIENCE at May 13, 2024 11:37 AM (Ectld)

168 Renewing one's driver's license: We have multiple locations in town for the "ScaryFast" auto renewal services. It costs an extra $23 on top of the regular $32.50, but as they say on their site: "How much is your time worth?"

They're open on Saturday morning, but I think I'd be smarter to take off work and go during a weekday. They probably won't take a check. I'll bring enough cash.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 11:37 AM (J2vNu)

169 I wonder if those blades actually could be used as border wall?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (4XwPj)

170 I suck.

Posted by: Ribbed at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (Ectld)

171 Find some non woke university with a strong engineering department. Have a contest on use of the blades. Free pizza and beer brings out the best ideas.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (V5eKu)

172
Chinese bio-warfare ghouls create a new Frankenstein virus by using part of the Ebola virus.

Of the ten hamsters used in the test, 8 died.

I wonder if they were able to up the R value* because ebola is kinda not so high.

* Subsequent infections from each individual infected - or something kinda like that.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (RKVpM)

173 It could destroy all humans but it was done for a good cause.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (J8LnB)

174 I work with people who have never seen "Stripes" for crying out loud.
Posted by: Disgusted

I made a reference to Office Space once to a co-worker. He had no clue what I was talking about.

Sad!

Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (Y6Wgg)

175 Rotary hunger strike?

Are they tying themselves to turbine blades?

Please make it so.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (EKMkO)

176 I wonder if those blades actually could be used as border wall?
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (4XwPj)
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Maybe sharpen them up a bit and set them up so the sharp side is facing south towards Mexico...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM (7fElN)

177 Find some non woke university with a strong engineering department. Have a contest on use of the blades. Free pizza and beer brings out the best ideas.

Drop the blades from a great height onto the Gaza "encampments". What do I win?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM (CsUN+)

178 Eco-fascist, does that mean they're for or against "eco"? I may be an okra-fascist, depending on how the semantics are supposed to work. I'm against.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 13, 2024 11:36 AM (Y6IkP)

Eco really means nothing...Fascist sez eveything.

Posted by: BignJames at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM (AwYPR)

179 everything

Posted by: BignJames at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM (AwYPR)

180 Somebody could come up with a perfectly reasonable, cost effective use for those turbine blades.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024 11:34 AM (V5eKu)

Not really cost effective but is there any reason they could not be used as the basis for an artificial reef?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM (T7iTv)

181 I think I just saw my first mosquito of the year.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM (9yWhg)

182 This is starting to look like the situation with CRTs over the past decade.

A few companies were paid by the state governments to "recycle" the tubes. They collected vast quantities of old CRTs as people traded them in for new flat-screens. They collected millions for all the CRTs they collected.

Then they abandoned warehouses full of millions of CRTs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM (bo7UB)

183 Not really cost effective but is there any reason they could not be used as the basis for an artificial reef?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM (T7iTv)
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Fiberglass, wood and foam construction. I doubt they sink.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:40 AM (d04cU)

184 Find some non woke university with a strong engineering department. Have a contest on use of the blades. Free pizza and beer brings out the best ideas.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024 11:38 AM (V5eKu)
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Hmmm....Some of our faculty might go along with that.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 13, 2024 11:40 AM (7fElN)

185 176 Cheveaux de Frise.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024 11:40 AM (V5eKu)

186
Instead of ending up in landfills, they would be ground up into a reusable material that could be turned into pallets, railroad ties, or flooring panels.

___________

"Could" be turned into pallets, railroad ties, or flooring panels. Are fabricators of those articles going to use it?

Fabricators are some of the most conservative manufacturers around. If you think they're going to toss a material of unknown and variable properties into their extruders, you are smoking zucchini. They're only going to buy something new only if it provides a plus.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:41 AM (MoZTd)

187 Here in Washington State we have perfected the water vapor feedback protection device. It's called an umbrella.
Posted by: Diogenes

Bumbershoots are for fags.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 13, 2024 11:28 AM (EitEl)
***

That's why Seattle has the Bumbershoot Festival, and not Spokane.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:41 AM (W/lyH)

188 *polite cough*

I don't watch movies, so I'm afraid I'm one of those communists.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:32 AM

Present company, being 'of the body', excepted. Except Paul. I have it on good authority he's a dick.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 13, 2024 11:41 AM (FAGAJ)

189 The "greenest" car on the road is the oldest one still using most of its original parts.

1962 Mercedes Benz Diesel.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 1

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This weekend I spotted a 1980s MB 300D turbodiesel sedan, medium gray, looking like it just rolled out of the showroom. It moved nimbly amidst the traffic on the bridge and zipped off into the distance. A loved car, I'll warrant, still serving its original owner.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 11:41 AM (J2vNu)

190 It is a good thing for left wing Jews to see though.
It shows them where their and their children’s interests lie.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 13, 2024 11:31 AM (jbnUc)

Would've been nice if they saw it 20 years ago and didn't actively participate in shutting down the only people who would defend them. But hey live and learn I guess.

Posted by: ... at May 13, 2024 11:41 AM (KaovF)

191 OK, hear me out.... Teach Kaiju to play cricket.

Form leagues and all, giant stadiums, imagine the ticket sales, it would be a smashing success. "But banana Dream, where in the world would we find a large stock of giant sized cricket bats?" I've got it covered, don't you worry.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 13, 2024 11:41 AM (Y6IkP)

192 In the tradition of rotary hunger strikes, 7 new strikers are indefinitely fasting for a free Palestine.

Rotary? Does that mean they get breaks for lunch and dinner?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 13, 2024 11:41 AM (bo7UB)

193 This blonde in a dress is concerned about this because her husband is in the windmill blade recycling business, and fears that the failure of that industry could have deleterious effects on her lifestyle:
http://tiny.cc/zq42yz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (d04cU)

194 Experts Puzzled By Biden Admin’s Claim That Rafah Invasion Wouldn’t Help Israel Defeat Hamas

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Well, you see, the Biden administration are drooling idiots.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (L/fGl)

195 176 Cheveaux de Frise.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024

***
Fresh horses?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (J2vNu)

196
Not really cost effective but is there any reason they could not be used as the basis for an artificial reef?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM

Probably depends on the ratio of balsa wood. They could just pop back up to the surface. Which they would only discover after ten billion dollars was spent transporting them.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (RKVpM)

197 Fiberglass, wood and foam construction. I doubt they sink.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:40 AM (d04cU)

What if we chained them to some bureaucrats?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (T7iTv)

198 Probably depends on the ratio of balsa wood. They could just pop back up to the surface. Which they would only discover after ten billion dollars was spent transporting them.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (RKVpM)

This is where the concrete weights come in.

Posted by: The Mob at May 13, 2024 11:43 AM (bo7UB)

199 What if we chained them to some bureaucrats?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (T7iTv)

I like the way you think.

Posted by: BignJames at May 13, 2024 11:43 AM (AwYPR)

200
Not really cost effective but is there any reason they could not be used as the basis for an artificial reef?

__________

Most plastics have densities

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:44 AM (MoZTd)

201 Not really cost effective but is there any reason they could not be used as the basis for an artificial reef?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:39 AM

Probably depends on the ratio of balsa wood. They could just pop back up to the surface. Which they would only discover after ten billion dollars was spent transporting them.

Osaka's Kansai airport is sinking back into the sea whence it came. We could install the blades under artificial islands and make new airports.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:44 AM (CsUN+)

202 What if we chained them to some bureaucrats?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic

Clarence Thomas: DC a "Hideous Place"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:44 AM (L/fGl)

203 This weekend I spotted a 1980s MB 300D turbodiesel sedan, medium gray, looking like it just rolled out of the showroom. It moved nimbly amidst the traffic on the bridge and zipped off into the distance. A loved car, I'll warrant, still serving its original owner.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

I was joking about the 62, but we have one at work like the one you described. Garage kept. Immaculate. Medium gray. Dark interior. No diesel smoke stain around tail pipe.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 11:44 AM (RJiwi)

204 93
‘That's the best possible outcome for a mistake. ‘

Do you really believe a mistake becomes a good idea when the scamocracy signs off on it?

I would hang on tighter to my own sense of objective good.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 13, 2024 11:44 AM (jbnUc)

205 This weekend I spotted a 1980s MB 300D turbodiesel sedan, medium gray, looking like it just rolled out of the showroom.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere

Yesterday, I saw a Yugo with a convertible top. It looked just like.... A Yugo.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 13, 2024 11:44 AM (4XwPj)

206 195 176 Cheveaux de Frise.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024

***
Fresh horses?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (J2vNu)

Gimme!

Posted by: Richard III at May 13, 2024 11:45 AM (T+Iwg)

207
Have densities less than 1 g per cc.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:45 AM (MoZTd)

208 Holy shit, the Karen Read trial is getting crazy.
Cop witness destroyed his phone AFTER being notified not to.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 13, 2024 11:45 AM (ufFY8)

209 What if we chained them to some bureaucrats?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (T7iTv)
++++
Worth a shot!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:45 AM (d04cU)

210
This is where the concrete weights come in.

Posted by: The Mob at May 13, 2024 11:43 AM

It's always best to cement a good relationship with a body guard.

Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Hoffa at May 13, 2024 11:45 AM (RKVpM)

211 Experts Puzzled By Biden Admin’s Claim That Rafah Invasion Wouldn’t Help Israel Defeat Hamas
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Same people who claimed a wall won't help with illegals and guns don't stop crime

Posted by: ... at May 13, 2024 11:45 AM (KaovF)

212 You can't use the old turbine blades for a border wall!!! It will interfere with the natural migration route of birds and butterflies who can't get through the wall!!!! It will confuse them and make all the bees die so they can't pollinate yourfood!!!!11!!!//////

☝🏻that is snark☝🏻

Posted by: lin-duh at May 13, 2024 11:46 AM (k1ci7)

213 Cheveaux de Frise.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 13, 2024

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Fresh horses?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM

Chiswick!

Posted by: Brian Blessed at May 13, 2024 11:46 AM (FAGAJ)

214 1962 Mercedes Benz Diesel.

Pay no attention to the clattering valves and copious blue smoke.

Posted by: Choking, Over Here at May 13, 2024 11:46 AM (V5BDR)

215 Have densities less than 1 g per cc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

No metric.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (9yWhg)

216 This blonde in a dress is concerned about this because her husband is in the windmill blade recycling business, and fears that the failure of that industry could have deleterious effects on her lifestyle:
http://tiny.cc/zq42yz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:42 AM (d04cU)

I wonder what was so important she had to have it tattooed on her index finger to constantly remind her.

Posted by: spindrift at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (OguvZ)

217 Also, we could use buoyant blades to make floating artificial piers, a la the Mulberries at Normandy, for deployment in Gaza.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (CsUN+)

218 I just wear a hat and walk fast in the rain.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

*******

My brother and I had this conversation yesterday. I could produce a mathematical model that shows due to the greater surface area of your forward facing surfaces compared to the relatively small surface area of the top of the head, combined with your more rapid forward ambulation that more raindrops would contact you per unit time, thus resulting in you getting wetter by walking fast than if you stood still.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (991eG)

219 I wonder how many of those fucktards that walked out of the Duke U. Commencement ceremony were really students?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (W/lyH)

220 You will never convince the public that these wind turbine blades can and never will be recycled.

We are 40+ years into rock-solid absolute proof that glass, plastic and paper cannot be economically recycled.

Yet, those trash bins of a different color will never go away.

But sure, giant fiberglass, carbon and metal composite blades are gonna be profitable recycled?
FFS, fiberglass is basically made from dirt. How are they f'ing going to beat that initial production cost?
A: Massive amounts of public subsidies. Like all recycling programs.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (DOfGI)

221 I wonder what was so important she had to have it tattooed on her index finger to constantly remind her.
Posted by: spindrift at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (OguvZ)
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Probably something really earth-shattering, like a cute slogan she learned in her "gap year" before college.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:48 AM (d04cU)

222 I wonder what was so important she had to have it tattooed on her index finger to constantly remind her.

*******

"Do not insert beyond this line."

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:49 AM (991eG)

223 ... FFS, fiberglass is basically made from dirt. How are they f'ing going to beat that initial production cost?
A: Massive amounts of public subsidies. Like all recycling programs.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (DOfGI)
++++
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it!

Posted by: Trash King of Minneapolis, lighting a stogie with a Benjamin at May 13, 2024 11:49 AM (d04cU)

224 Holy shit, the Karen Read trial is getting crazy.
Cop witness destroyed his phone AFTER being notified not to.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 13, 2024 11:45 AM

Wait...is that wrong?

Posted by: The FBI at May 13, 2024 11:49 AM (FAGAJ)

225
No metric.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (9yWhg)

_________

I was a research scientist for 35 years. Inside the lab, I always thought in metric. Outside the lab, I never did.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:49 AM (MoZTd)

226 Why Living Standards Decline as the Economy Appears to Grow

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The miracle of Bidenomics?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:50 AM (L/fGl)

227 Joe Mannix

That blonde has writing on her hand.

Would only motorboat.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 13, 2024 11:50 AM (u82oZ)

228 I was joking about the 62, but we have one at work like the one you described. Garage kept. Immaculate. Medium gray. Dark interior. No diesel smoke stain around tail pipe.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024

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A '62 would probably have been one of the diesel taxis that MB didn't import here -- the Fintails, as they were nicknamed, that came here were pretty much all gasoline models. Still a solid car for its time.

In Denver I had a 300D turbo as a loaner car one time. Red over a tan interior. It felt substantial and "planted" to the road. It was a little slow, even though turbocharged, as we were at 5K feet and that robs power. But it was a pleasure to drive on city streets, and handled the Interstate fine if you were careful.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 11:50 AM (J2vNu)

229 I was a research scientist for 35 years. Inside the lab, I always thought in metric. Outside the lab, I never did.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 11:50 AM (CsUN+)

230 I wonder what was so important she had to have it tattooed on her index finger to constantly remind her.
Posted by: spindrift at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (OguvZ)
***********
I noticed that as well. Maybe it’s her computer password.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at May 13, 2024 11:51 AM (U5wpN)

231 Why Living Standards Decline as the Economy Appears to Grow
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The miracle of Bidenomics?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:50 AM (L/fGl)
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Distribution counts. It was way better distributed before the government went all-in on "fairness."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:51 AM (d04cU)

232 My brother and I had this conversation yesterday. I could produce a mathematical model that shows due to the greater surface area of your forward facing surfaces compared to the relatively small surface area of the top of the head, combined with your more rapid forward ambulation that more raindrops would contact you per unit time, thus resulting in you getting wetter by walking fast than if you stood still.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (991eG)
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Heh,
I think I had his as a mid-term test question in a physics class once.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:52 AM (W/lyH)

233 >>My brother and I had this conversation yesterday. I could produce a mathematical model that shows due to the greater surface area of your forward facing surfaces compared to the relatively small surface area of the top of the head, combined with your more rapid forward ambulation that more raindrops would contact you per unit time, thus resulting in you getting wetter by walking fast than if you stood still.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (991eG)
___
A Mythbusters episode beat you to it and proved you are correct.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at May 13, 2024 11:52 AM (bNf8H)

234 Killing people is the national sport of China.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 13, 2024 11:33 AM (MoZTd)

Concur. Savages.

The Brits were right to force them to buy opium.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2024 11:52 AM (IebSC)

235 Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (991eG)

It puzzles me why people (and other animals) don't like getting wet in the rain. People will willingly swim or wade, and don't seem to mind getting wet then. And, unlike swimming, there's no danger of drowning from falling rain. (Flooding is another matter, of course.)

I've tried to analyze it with myself, and still can't come up with an answer.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:53 AM (9yWhg)

236 Recycling fiberglass is BS. They need to have a lot of clean, new raw material in order to mix in recycled trash.

When I worked for a building products company, they bragged about recycling scrap from their vinyl products. They could do it, because the scrap was high quality, and they had very little to start.

Too much, and the new product will come out trash.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 13, 2024 11:53 AM (1NOK6)

237 Why Living Standards Decline as the Economy Appears to Grow
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Why Your Lying Eyes Are Full Of Shit

Posted by: ... at May 13, 2024 11:54 AM (KaovF)

238 Wait...is that wrong?
Posted by: The FBI at May 13, 2024 11:49 AM (FAGAJ)

Ummmmm...Yes.

Posted by: Tom Brady at May 13, 2024 11:54 AM (IebSC)

239 1962 Mercedes Benz Diesel.
*
Pay no attention to the clattering valves and copious blue smoke.
Posted by: Choking, Over Here at May 13, 2024

***
The '84 I had as a loaner was quiet inside. You were aware of the "tock-tock-tock" sound of the engine, but it was never loud or annoying. Of course that was a car from 20 years after 1962.

It's been said of that W123 chassis that after the nuclear apocalypse, the life left, the intelligent cockroaches, will be driving W123s.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 11:54 AM (J2vNu)

240 When I worked for a building products company, they bragged about recycling scrap from their vinyl products. They could do it, because the scrap was high quality, and they had very little to start. ...
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 13, 2024 11:53 AM (1NOK6)
++++
And post-industrial recycling is always more viable and a better value than post-consumer recycling. Post-industrial recycling often works fine. No transport or separation costs for a lot of it, just haul it back to the front of the line (depending on material, of course).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:55 AM (d04cU)

241 I wonder what was so important she had to have it tattooed on her index finger to constantly remind her.
Posted by: spindrift at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (OguvZ)

She also has spots tattooed on her fingertips. The writing are instructions to put her fingers in her ears so she can listen to the Ink Spots.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:55 AM (W/lyH)

242 How is this any less of a scam than what Elizabeth Holmes did with Theranos, or what SBF did with "effective altruism" crypto?

The virtue-signalers are determined to throw away their money if it makes them look good. Lets allow them.

Posted by: red speck at May 13, 2024 11:55 AM (0Id0S)

243 Why Your Lying Eyes Are Full Of Shit

Posted by: ... at May 13, 2024 11:54 AM (KaovF)

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"You Can't Hide ...
Your Lyin' Shit"

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:56 AM (2rX+c)

244 It puzzles me why people (and other animals) don't like getting wet in the rain. People will willingly swim or wade, and don't seem to mind getting wet then. And, unlike swimming, there's no danger of drowning from falling rain. (Flooding is another matter, of course.)

I've tried to analyze it with myself, and still can't come up with an answer.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:53 AM (9yWhg)
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People don't like to sit around in wet clothes. Also, in the summer, when I get soaked in a rainstorm and enter into an air-conditioned building, I'm always much, much colder than I would be if I was dry. Never fun.

Most of the time, I don't mind getting wet in a rainstorm. It's happened to me many, many times. Even as recently as last week.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 13, 2024 11:56 AM (7fElN)

245 It puzzles me why people (and other animals) don't like getting wet in the rain. People will willingly swim or wade, and don't seem to mind getting wet then. And, unlike swimming, there's no danger of drowning from falling rain. (Flooding is another matter, of course.)

I've tried to analyze it with myself, and still can't come up with an answer.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024

***
Rain tickles maddeningly as it trickles down through your hair and into your eyes. And your clothes get wet, and you get cold -- or you will feel cold when you get into an air-conditioned building.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 11:56 AM (J2vNu)

246 Bulgaroctonus

Desmond Morris postulates (in The Naked Ape) that humans were adapted to water, and we should be called the aquatic ape.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 13, 2024 11:56 AM (u82oZ)

247 Then there is the matter of the solar panels on the roof of Sydney Olympic Aquatic Center catching fire. This adds a whole new dimension to the idea of what constitates renewable energy.

https://tinyurl.com/ypv6szfh

Posted by: Lost in Space at May 13, 2024 11:56 AM (k13a0)

248 It puzzles me why people (and other animals) don't like getting wet in the rain. People will willingly swim or wade, and don't seem to mind getting wet then. And, unlike swimming, there's no danger of drowning from falling rain. (Flooding is another matter, of course.)
I've tried to analyze it with myself, and still can't come up with an answer.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:53 AM (9yWhg)

Getting naked in the rain is one cure for Prickly Heat.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2024 11:57 AM (IebSC)

249 And post-industrial recycling is always more viable and a better value than post-consumer recycling. Post-industrial recycling often works fine. No transport or separation costs for a lot of it, just haul it back to the front of the line (depending on material, of course).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

I saw a show once demonstrating how old airplanes get stripped of virtually all their stuff so that it can be reused in other planes.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 11:57 AM (9yWhg)

250 Are those things terribly bendy? Can you anchor the larger end then bend the smaller end down far enough to make it a sort of catapult thing?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 13, 2024 11:57 AM (4XwPj)

251 You could, of course, reduce the exposed surface area by running sideways through the rain.

Or zigzag between the drops. (Serpentine!)

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 11:58 AM (991eG)

252 Sweetwater has heard such pledges before. The county declared the stockpile a public nuisance a year ago.

Not to make light of the situation, but having driven past Sweetwater quite a few time, that entire end of town constitutes a public nuisance.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at May 13, 2024 11:58 AM (/HDaX)

253 But sure, giant fiberglass, carbon and metal composite blades are gonna be profitable recycled?
FFS, fiberglass is basically made from dirt. How are they f'ing going to beat that initial production cost?
A: Massive amounts of public subsidies. Like all recycling programs.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM

Also, nobody dares calculate how much energy is required to recycle them, in all phases starting with the initial dismantling, to the transport, to the machines at whatever recycling plant they arrive at. Nor the witch's brew of awful chemicals and acids needed to separate the composites. Nor the energy required, or safety issues involved, to transport *those*.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 13, 2024 11:58 AM (iRX3h)

254 It puzzles me why people (and other animals) don't like getting wet in the rain.

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Our mule deer here frolic in the rain -- especially the young ones.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 11:58 AM (2rX+c)

255 Solar panels have a lifespan of 10 to 20 years, which means some of the early installations are beginning to remove old panels which contain all kinds of heavy metals.
Posted by: SMOD
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Nothing personal, but... bullshit.
The solar panels on my roof have a 25 year warranty, which is standard in the industry.. Most of the material is silicon. You know, sand.
As a percentage of weight, your cell phone has more hazardous material than solar panels. And the total weight of cell phones in this country far exceeds the total weight of solar.

Posted by: buddhaha at May 13, 2024 11:58 AM (oTdrk)

256 People don't like to sit around in wet clothes. Also, in the summer, when I get soaked in a rainstorm and enter into an air-conditioned building, I'm always much, much colder than I would be if I was dry. Never fun.

Most of the time, I don't mind getting wet in a rainstorm. It's happened to me many, many times. Even as recently as last week.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 13, 2024 11:56 AM (7fElN)
***

Sheesh!
You First Worlders and your air conditioning.
In the old country if you wanted to cool down, you had to hike up to the snow line.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:58 AM (W/lyH)

257 Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Morning Joe: “Anybody that votes Republican [is] voting for the end of democracy”

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It's this kind of incisive political analysis that keeps people tuning in to MSNSDAP.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:59 AM (L/fGl)

258 We need a well funded cleanup/storage program Like Yucca Mountain to deal with this energy system.

Posted by: Zombie Harry Reid at May 13, 2024 11:59 AM (5h/8D)

259 I don't see how Tesla profiting from carbon subsidies is worse than GM or Ford or Google doing so. I think carbon offsets are BS, but if they legally exist, they might as well benefit a company that produces stuff that people like and want!

My daughter was telling me how evil Elon Musk is. I told her, yep I hope you don't mind taking care of me and Mom in our old age, since you will be morally against a Tesla robot doing it!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 13, 2024 11:59 AM (fvaUq)

260 257 Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Morning Joe: “Anybody that votes Republican [is] voting for the end of democracy”

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It's this kind of incisive political analysis that keeps people tuning in to MSNSDAP.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 11:59 AM (L/fGl)

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I have been told that no matter what Democratic Socialism is democracy because the people vote for it. The voting for it part is what makes it democratic.

So, why does that not apply to a Republican who wishes to reduce federal regulation?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (GBKbO)

261 Those old MB diesels are cool. But slow as fuuuuuck, 0-60 in 15 seconds or something like that.

Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (Y6Wgg)

262 Sheesh!
You First Worlders and your air conditioning.
In the old country if you wanted to cool down, you had to hike up to the snow line.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 11:58 AM (W/lyH)
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I'm not all that fond of commercial air conditioning in the summer. It's always much colder than it needs to be for me. I barely use it at home and only to remove the sweltering humidity for the most part.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (7fElN)

263 *types*

"The... month... was... moist."

Novel's done!

Posted by: Larry Donner at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (DTX3h)

264 so she can listen to the Ink Spots.
Posted by: Diogenes a

***********

Booooo!

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (991eG)

265 Desmond Morris postulates (in The Naked Ape) that humans were adapted to water, and we should be called the aquatic ape.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 13, 2024 11:56 AM (u82oZ)

The number of people who spend a lifetime chasing a retarded lie is heartbreaking.

I wonder if all the stupid buildings, roads and art provide a cluebat that perhaps we adapted rather exceptionally to land somewhere along the line.

Posted by: ... at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (KaovF)

266 It puzzles me why people (and other animals) don't like getting wet in the rain.

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You haven't heard of shrinkage?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (L/fGl)

267 Not allowing me to vote for my preferred party is saving democracy.

Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (Y6Wgg)

268 The religiousity of recycling is remarkable. Go into any suburban neighborhood on the appointed night of the week and see all the recycling bins dutifully placed at the curb.
It's a feel good sacrament that just about EVERYONE complies with.
My local municipality recently told all of us serfs to please stop including glass in our recyclables, but if we really wanted to be good and faithful Gretas we could DRIVE IT OURSELVES to specially designated bins for glass recycling located all over town.
Nope. You've preached at me for decades that to be a good little citizen I have to dutifully put my empty glass jelly jars in your cute little bin, and therefore you're gonna get every one of them.

Good and hard

Posted by: Have ya ever noticed? at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (dg+HA)

269 Bulgaroctonus

Desmond Morris postulates (in The Naked Ape) that humans were adapted to water, and we should be called the aquatic ape.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 13, 2024

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I remember that. He gave as evidence that we learn to swim, while "our closest relatives the chimpanzees are helpless in water and quickly drown."

There is a later book called The Descent of Woman by Elaine MOrgan which picks up on that, and postulates that being beach dwellers was the *only* way we could have survived vs. the veldt predators.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 12:01 PM (J2vNu)

270 Are those things terribly bendy? Can you anchor the larger end then bend the smaller end down far enough to make it a sort of catapult thing? Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench)

For $400. What is an "green" illegal alien deportation system?

Posted by: Lost in Space at May 13, 2024 12:01 PM (k13a0)

271 Why can't Texas?

Because Greg Abbott is a crippled up establishment sucking douchebag?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 13, 2024 12:01 PM (aFNOf)

272 I use an umbrella because I wear glasses.

Posted by: lin-duh at May 13, 2024 12:01 PM (k1ci7)

273 I have been told that no matter what Democratic Socialism is democracy because the people vote for it. The voting for it part is what makes it democratic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM

One man. One vote. One time.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 13, 2024 12:01 PM (FAGAJ)

274 The point about the wet clothes is valid, but even if someone is wearing very little, they'll still try to get out of the rain.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 12:02 PM (9yWhg)

275 I say we recycle the turbine blades into submarines to give wealthy donors a chance at seeing the Titanic. Zero downside.

Posted by: red speck at May 13, 2024 12:02 PM (0Id0S)

276 I wonder what was so important she had to have it tattooed on her index finger to constantly remind her.

*******

Crib sheet. She's planning to cheat on a prostate exam.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 12:02 PM (991eG)

277 There is always one ‘solution’ for products that can’t be ‘recycled’ .

Grind them up as filler.

They have been doing that with tires for decades. I haven’t looked at the percentage of tires ‘recycled’ this way lately but it was very small for a number of years that I did pay attention.

Posted by: polynikes at May 13, 2024 12:02 PM (MNhXM)

278
One man. One vote. One time.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 13, 2024 12:01 PM (FAGAJ)

Cute.
- Fulton County

Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024 12:03 PM (Y6Wgg)

279 That blonde has writing on her hand.

Would only motorboat.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 13, 2024 11:50 AM (u82oZ)

She has HANDS?

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at May 13, 2024 12:03 PM (ZV+pB)

280 The point about the wet clothes is valid, but even if someone is wearing very little, they'll still try to get out of the rain.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

******

Instinctual fear of lightning?

Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 12:03 PM (991eG)

281 Are those things terribly bendy? Can you anchor the larger end then bend the smaller end down far enough to make it a sort of catapult thing? Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench)

Yes. I've seen them on very long truck trailer and they bend the tip of the blade almost to the ground. Perfect to launch illegals back over the border.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 13, 2024 12:03 PM (aFNOf)

282 You want to know probably the biggest reason nothing but metals can be economically recycled?

Environmental regulations.

If we really wanted to recycle, we'd shred and incinerate in nuclear-powered furnaces.
A giant lightning bolt arc across the top of the silo, raising the temperature to 10,000 degrees or so.
Then control the temps on the way down like a petroleum refinery fracking tower to sort out the elements.

100% recycled.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 13, 2024 12:03 PM (hdS40)

283 We have an innovative solution for used tires as well.
- Winnie Mandela

Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024 12:03 PM (Y6Wgg)

284 I remember that. He gave as evidence that we learn to swim, while "our closest relatives the chimpanzees are helpless in water and quickly drown.

I don't think that's true. I believe I've read that chimps can swim (dog paddle). They might not like it, but they can do it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (9yWhg)

285 "Can you anchor the larger end then bend the smaller end down far enough to make it a sort of catapult thing?"

Fetchez la vache!

Posted by: Ribbed at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (Ectld)

286 269 Bulgaroctonus

Desmond Morris postulates (in The Naked Ape) that humans were adapted to water, and we should be called the aquatic ape.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 13, 2024

About that...

Posted by: Zombie Natalie Wood at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (PiwSw)

287 The religiousity of recycling is remarkable. Go into any suburban neighborhood on the appointed night of the week and see all the recycling bins dutifully placed at the curb.
It's a feel good sacrament that just about EVERYONE complies with. ...
Posted by: Have ya ever noticed? at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (dg+HA)
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Often. Sometimes it's practical. I use my city-provided recycling bin. It's an extra bin. It's usually full of cans. When I have bulk paper waste (boxes, etc.), I break 'em down and shove 'em into the recycling bin. It's space-efficient to use a second bin.

But my city are realists. The trash bin is 50% bigger than the recycling. Lots of people use them for the convenience of having a second bin that usually contains bulky items. But it's still dumb except the metals.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (d04cU)

288 280 The point about the wet clothes is valid, but even if someone is wearing very little, they'll still try to get out of the rain.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

******

Instinctual fear of lightning?
Posted by: Muldoon at May 13, 2024 12:03 PM (991eG)

I would guess it's the involuntary nature of it.

We like to swim. We don't like to get dunked.

We like to shower. We don't like to get caught in the rain.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (VoAdT)

289 Those old MB diesels are cool. But slow as fuuuuuck, 0-60 in 15 seconds or something like that.
Posted by: Montec at May 13, 2024

***
You're right, and the normally-aspirated ones were worse. You could wind up the turbodiesels and get more power by downshifting. Of course that would wipe out some of the improved fuel mileage over gassers.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (J2vNu)

290 "Can you anchor the larger end then bend the smaller end down far enough to make it a sort of catapult thing?"

Fetchez la vache!
Posted by: Ribbed

For the Win!

Posted by: Lost in Space at May 13, 2024 12:05 PM (k13a0)

291 The number of people who spend a lifetime chasing a retarded lie is heartbreaking.

Posted by: ... at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM

We're right here, you know.

Posted by: Flat Earthers, Sov Cits, and Moors at May 13, 2024 12:05 PM (FAGAJ)

292 Used tires made great rope swings, as I recall.

Just had to check for wasps. And spiders.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 13, 2024 12:06 PM (iRX3h)

293 Nothing personal, but... bullshit.
The solar panels on my roof have a 25 year warranty, which is standard in the industry.. Most of the material is silicon. You know, sand.

You know, it's possible to disagree without being obnoxious.

Si solar cells still have dopants, some of which can be toxic, and their efficiency is lower than many other types, so there are still lots of issues.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 12:06 PM (CsUN+)

294 there is a desperation to do something with the mountain of blades other than bury them

.. did they finally decide to tear down RFK stadium ?

Posted by: SMOD at May 13, 2024 12:06 PM (RHGPo)

295 I remember that. He gave as evidence that we learn to swim, while "our closest relatives the chimpanzees are helpless in water and quickly drown."
*
I don't think that's true. I believe I've read that chimps can swim (dog paddle). They might not like it, but they can do it.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024

***
Morris wrote The Naked Ape more than fifty years ago, so new info has probably come out since then.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 12:06 PM (J2vNu)

296 287 Often. Sometimes it's practical. I use my city-provided recycling bin. It's an extra bin. It's usually full of cans. When I have bulk paper waste (boxes, etc.), I break 'em down and shove 'em into the recycling bin. It's space-efficient to use a second bin.

But my city are realists. The trash bin is 50% bigger than the recycling. Lots of people use them for the convenience of having a second bin that usually contains bulky items. But it's still dumb except the metals.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (d04cU)

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Our locality uses privately run garbage companies to do all the hauling.

It became obvious within weeks that the separate bins meant nothing. I figured it out when I watched the trash truck take both recycling trash into its hold with the large hook.

I don't mind. It bugged Dolley, but what are we going to do? Make regular trips to the actual recycling center ten miles away?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 12:07 PM (GBKbO)

297 The reason those blades are all cut into neat 100' lengths is because that's the size of the hole they'll be buried in. That shit can NOT be 'recycled'. Never has been, never will be. It'll be found thousands of years from now and people will wonder what kind of animal had bones like that - and what its skin looked like.

Posted by: Dr_No at May 13, 2024 12:07 PM (ayRl+)

298 Our locality uses privately run garbage companies to do all the hauling.

It became obvious within weeks that the separate bins meant nothing. I figured it out when I watched the trash truck take both recycling trash into its hold with the large hook. ...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 12:07 PM (GBKbO)
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My city is also contracted to a private concern, but they send two trucks on trash day. Trash in one, recycling in the other. I've never followed one of the trucks to see what happens, though. For all I know, both trucks get dumped into the hopper at the transfer station.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 12:08 PM (d04cU)

299 That shit can NOT be 'recycled'. Never has been, never will be.

It certainly CAN be recycled. Whether that makes any sense is a different question.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 12:08 PM (CsUN+)

300 Can I go to Sweetwater pick some up and then drive to the border and fill the gaps?

Posted by: MikeN at May 13, 2024 12:08 PM (XygMV)

301 From discoverymagazine.com:

Can Chimps Swim?
Chimpanzees generally do not swim and have a natural aversion to water. Their body structure, with a heavy torso and relatively short limbs, makes swimming difficult for them. However, there have been rare instances where chimpanzees have been seen wading or playing in water.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 12:08 PM (9yWhg)

302 Used tires made great rope swings, as I recall.

We use dyed shredded tires as garden bed mulch. Doesn't rot and no weeds. It's the perfect solution for weed free beds if laid over weed cloth..

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 13, 2024 12:08 PM (aFNOf)

303 Getting naked in the rain is one cure for Prickly Heat.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

I saw Prickly Heat open for Painful Discharge at the Cow Palace.

They were itching to start their set.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 13, 2024 12:09 PM (L9/32)

304 The reason those blades are all cut into neat 100' lengths is because that's the size of the hole they'll be buried in. That shit can NOT be 'recycled'. Never has been, never will be. It'll be found thousands of years from now and people will wonder what kind of animal had bones like that - and what its skin looked like.
Posted by: Dr_No at May 13, 2024 12:07 PM (ayRl+)
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I'm surprised they don't cut them into 50' lengths to make transport easier.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 12:09 PM (d04cU)

305 Our locality uses privately run garbage companies to do all the hauling.

It became obvious within weeks that the separate bins meant nothing. I figured it out when I watched the trash truck take both recycling trash into its hold with the large hook.

I don't mind. It bugged Dolley, but what are we going to do? Make regular trips to the actual recycling center ten miles away?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024

***
Yesterday Miss Linda dragged an empty pickle jar out of my trash and said, "The library has a recycling station for this. The glass is ground into sand and used for coastal restoration."

I said, "How about *my* restoration?" No answer to that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 12:09 PM (J2vNu)

306 Used tires made great rope swings, as I recall.

Just had to check for wasps. And spiders.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 13, 2024 12:06 PM (iRX3h)
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Don't those also fill with water when it rains? Which then becomes a stagnant pool perfect for mosquitos to breed in...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 13, 2024 12:09 PM (7fElN)

307 Use the blades to fence in the blue shit holes. Like a Mad Max fortress. But to keep them inside.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 13, 2024 12:09 PM (Q4IgG)

308 The religiousity of recycling is remarkable. Go into any suburban neighborhood on the appointed night of the week and see all the recycling bins dutifully placed at the curb.
It's a feel good sacrament that just about EVERYONE complies with. ...
Posted by: Have ya ever noticed? at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (dg+HA)
++++
Often. Sometimes it's practical. I use my city-provided recycling bin. It's an extra bin. It's usually full of cans. When I have bulk paper waste (boxes, etc.), I break 'em down and shove 'em into the recycling bin. It's space-efficient to use a second bin.

But my city are realists. The trash bin is 50% bigger than the recycling. Lots of people use them for the convenience of having a second bin that usually contains bulky items. But it's still dumb except the metals.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

I called the city government requesting they come get their recycling bin. Don't do that is my advice unless you want the local swat team decending on ropes from a helicopter onto your yard.

Posted by: Lost in Space at May 13, 2024 12:09 PM (k13a0)

309 We like to shower. We don't like to get caught in the rain.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (VoAdT)

I bet you don't like Piña Coladas either.

Posted by: Rupert Holmes at May 13, 2024 12:09 PM (PiwSw)

310 Where is that lolligagger?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2024 12:10 PM (LkLld)

311 Abbeville Police Chief Mike Hardy said in a statement on Facebook that the suspect was "confronted by parishioners and escorted outside." Police then arrived and placed him in custody, before sweeping the church to ensure there was no further threat and there had been no injuries.

The suspect was arrested and later charged with terrorizing the church and two counts of possession of a firearm by a juvenile. Witnesses told KADN of Lafayette that he was dressed all in black and armed with the rifle.

Posted by: SMOD at May 13, 2024 12:10 PM (RHGPo)

312 Recycling Solar Panels is as a hard a process as most recycling is and can be a net loss. Only about 10% of solar panels are recycled. Again to be fair, ‘recycling’ is difficult for anything except pure glass.

Posted by: polynikes at May 13, 2024 12:11 PM (MNhXM)

313 I called the city government requesting they come get their recycling bin. Don't do that is my advice unless you want the local swat team decending on ropes from a helicopter onto your yard.
Posted by: Lost in Space at May 13, 2024 12:09 PM (k13a0)
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My city would probably just say, "nah, just don't use it." I could find out, I guess.

But it isn't "mandatory" or anything. The city's trash service puts it along the lines of, "we provide it if you want to use it."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 12:12 PM (d04cU)

314 My Mother had a 1983 Mercedes 300 TD wagon that she drove until we took it away from her in '19. Her grandson is still driving it today and it has 660.000 miles on it and it is still going strong.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at May 13, 2024 12:12 PM (ZV+pB)

315 The only recycling that pays for itself locally is metals and cardboard. Everything else? - Nope. Goes into the same big hole in the ground - using separate transport dumpsters, of course.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 13, 2024 12:12 PM (L9/32)

316 11 I'm thinking a lawsuit should be in the works against GE on the premise that they should have known the recycling company didn't have the capability to do what they said.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 13, 2024 11:05 AM (gakDF)

Now can we do the inevitable bait and switch pulled by the California Gov on Solar panels? They have decided that everyone will pay a connection fee now, even if you are a net energy SUPPLIER. This was inevitable as infrastructure costs have to be paid by someone... but... California sold its citizens solar power, based on a lie that a certain ROI was going to happen.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2024 12:12 PM (xaFKb)

317 We like to shower.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 13, 2024 12:04 PM (VoAdT)

Who is this "We" mon ami?

Posted by: Smelly French Guy at May 13, 2024 12:12 PM (IebSC)

318 Where is that lolligagger?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2024 12:10 PM (LkLld)

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Maybe he got lucky last night?

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 12:13 PM (2rX+c)

319 It puzzles me why people (and other animals) don't like getting wet in the rain.

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You haven't heard of shrinkage?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 13, 2024 12:00 PM (L/fGl)
***

I do not understand this...shrinkage...?

Posted by: The Paulo at May 13, 2024 12:13 PM (W/lyH)

320 A rutting ewok is both comically fascinating and revoltingly horrifying.

Posted by: Ribbed at May 13, 2024 12:14 PM (iFMeW)

321 Where is that lolligagger?
Posted by: JackStraw

Over by the malingerer.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 12:14 PM (RJiwi)

322 It puzzles me why people (and other animals) don't like getting wet in the rain.

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You haven't heard of shrinkage?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Messes up sheep something fierce.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 12:15 PM (RJiwi)

323 I do not understand this...shrinkage...?
Posted by: The Paulo at May 13, 2024 12:13 PM

Ya, mon.

Posted by: Jamaican guy sporting a 'w' and 'y' tattoo at May 13, 2024 12:15 PM (FAGAJ)

324 Where is that lolligagger?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2024 12:10 PM (LkLld)

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BTW, I still frequently quote that "lollygaggers" scene -- as well as of course "There's no crying in baseball!" -- from "A League of Their Own."

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 12:15 PM (2rX+c)

325 I have every tire we've worn out on our vehicles since 1954. Paint them White, then half bury them as a border along our long driveway. Trailer park residents come from miles around to gaze in wonder.

Posted by: Bias-Ply Benny at May 13, 2024 12:16 PM (V5BDR)

326 why not just chuck the blades into a volcano? followed by the fuckers that foisted this shit on us in the first place?

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at May 13, 2024 12:16 PM (9kVo/)

327 SIR! She's crying!

Posted by: Ribbed at May 13, 2024 12:16 PM (iFMeW)

328 Simple fix would be sending the fiberglass green trash to Martha's Vineyard.

Posted by: pudinhead at May 13, 2024 12:17 PM (/UtnQ)

329 The only recycling that pays for itself locally is metals and cardboard. Everything else? - Nope. Goes into the same big hole in the ground - using separate transport dumpsters, of course.
Posted by: Tonypete

The only recycling that pays for itself locally is people. Soylent Green.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 12:17 PM (RJiwi)

330 The only recycling that pays for itself locally is metals and cardboard. Everything else? - Nope. Goes into the same big hole in the ground - using separate transport dumpsters, of course.
Posted by: Tonypete at May 13, 2024 12:12 PM (L9/32)

Correct. I argued with a dirty old hippie not too long ago about this. In my AO it all gets trucked to the same landfill where illegal invaders who work for Waste Management pick thru the whole mess on a conveyer belt picking out anything of value then the rest is burned or buried. Some people are pig ignorant.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2024 12:18 PM (IebSC)

331 Abbeville, LA had the worst Louisiana Festival.

The Omelette Festival.

Posted by: polynikes at May 13, 2024 12:18 PM (MNhXM)

332 I have every tire we've worn out on our vehicles since 1954. Paint them White, then half bury them as a border along our long driveway. Trailer park residents come from miles around to gaze in wonder.
Posted by: Bias-Ply Benny

Nonno? Issat you??

He also used a toilet tank float to decorate the top of a flagpole (painted it bronze of course). He never threw anything out.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 13, 2024 12:18 PM (L9/32)

333 Who recycles all the huge, green recycle bins?

Posted by: Fair Question at May 13, 2024 12:18 PM (V5BDR)

334 My Mother had a 1983 Mercedes 300 TD wagon that she drove until we took it away from her in '19. Her grandson is still driving it today and it has 660.000 miles on it and it is still going strong.
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at May 13, 2024

***
The W123 chassis had one quirk: The A/C always let in 20% outside air. No "recirculate" feature. It made the A/C relatively weak even in Denver. Down here in Da Swamp it would have been intolerable.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 12:18 PM (J2vNu)

335 Who recycles the recyclers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 12:19 PM (GBKbO)

336 BTW, I still frequently quote that "lollygaggers" scene -- as well as of course "There's no crying in baseball!" -- from "A League of Their Own."
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 13, 2024 12:15 PM (2rX+c)
***

I have been known to use the Miss Cuthbert line from time to time.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 13, 2024 12:19 PM (W/lyH)

337 Who recycles the recyclers?

I'm pretty sure that constitutes a perpetual motion machine.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 13, 2024 12:20 PM (CsUN+)

338 I have every tire we've worn out on our vehicles since 1954. Paint them White, then half bury them as a border along our long driveway. Trailer park residents come from miles around to gaze in wonder.
Posted by: Bias-Ply Benny at May 13, 2024 12:16 PM (V5BDR)

I'll paint any car, any color, just $29.95. No ups, no extras!

Posted by: Zombie Earl Scheib at May 13, 2024 12:20 PM (IebSC)

339 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 13, 2024 12:18 PM (IebSC)

Even metal and cardboard are not easy because they have to be prepared to be recycled. And making paper product is perfected but not easy.

Posted by: polynikes at May 13, 2024 12:21 PM (MNhXM)

340 Recent articles from last year claim fiberglass is nearly impossible to recycle as the composite materials are tiny and must be separated.

Greenies are some of the dumbest people.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 13, 2024 12:22 PM (1NOK6)

341 I feel really snarky this morning, so...
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You know what ends their lives in 6 months to a year? A good old fashioned hail storm. Twice a year.

No one ever thought to cover the panels with a 5/8" thick lexan pane as a shield. Watch a solar farm be destroyed in minutes when a hail storm passes over.
Posted by: rickb223
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Two years ago, we had a hail storm that featured 1/4"-1/2" hail and 70 mph gusts. Did a bunch of damage to autos in the neighborhood. My solar was unscathed. On an actuarial basis,, hail storms of that intensity or higher are rare inmost of the country.

A 5/8th thick layer of lexan would knock the efficiency of the panels down by more than 25%, so, for the same power output, you spend 25% more and find 25% more square feet of space.
It's cheaper to put the equivalent of cell phone gorilla glass on the panel.

Posted by: buddhaha at May 13, 2024 12:23 PM (oTdrk)

342 Recycling glass pencils out i thought.

Posted by: Disgusted at May 13, 2024 12:23 PM (Z8Yh2)

343 I don't mind recycling. We go through a lot of plastic bottles in our house, and if we didn't have the recycling bin the regular trash would start overflowing pretty quick. Makes life easier.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 12:23 PM (9yWhg)

344 Anyone check on Ace's appendix today?

Posted by: Brush With Greatness at May 13, 2024 12:24 PM (V5BDR)

345 And post-industrial recycling is always more viable and a better value than post-consumer recycling. Post-industrial recycling often works fine. No transport or separation costs for a lot of it, just haul it back to the front of the line (depending on material, of course).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 13, 2024 11:55 AM (d04cU)
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Nailed it, Joe. Ours was 10s of feet from where waste was produced to where we extruded it. No cleaning required, so separation, etc.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 13, 2024 12:24 PM (1NOK6)

346 Um, there is a nood.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 13, 2024 12:24 PM (9yWhg)

347 Anyone check on Ace's appendix today?
Posted by: Brush With Greatness at May 13, 2024

***
His foreword and introduction are still being edited.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 12:25 PM (J2vNu)

348 Start using those turbine blades as a border wall. Cut in fifty foot lengths sink twenty feet in the ground , fill to ground level with concrete. Set them two inches apart and reinforce with more fifty foot lengths bolted on as cross pieces. Ginormous privacy fence and the leftist will shit themselves trying to stop it. They might even shut down wind power to prevent this terrible situation.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at May 13, 2024 12:26 PM (4XwPj)

349 TJM, are you planning on reviewing Roger Corman's body of work now that he is dead?

Posted by: pudinhead at May 13, 2024 12:29 PM (/UtnQ)

350 Two years ago, we had a hail storm that featured 1/4"-1/2" hail and 70 mph gusts. Did a bunch of damage to autos in the neighborhood. My solar was unscathed. On an actuarial basis,, hail storms of that intensity or higher are rare inmost of the country.

Posted by: buddhaha

June 27th, 2023
Baseball-sized hail took out a solar farm in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, on Friday.
The hail shattered most of the panels on the 5.2-megawatt solar project, sparing an odd panel like missing teeth in a white smile.

How fast can that be replaced? Especially once the powers that be switch everyone over to renewables? Better be replaced by 5pm that day.

https://tinyurl.com/5n6rvwsw

Posted by: rickb223 at May 13, 2024 12:29 PM (RJiwi)

351 In my AO the college built a Dutch designed incinerator to rid the county of its waste and create energy.
It ran 6 months in the 1980's for the $6 millions it cost.
A shifty college President practically gave away the generator to the richest limbermill baron in the country.

It had a short lived Renaissance when enterprising copper thieves made off with a half million in the shiney stuff. The college Board couldn't even put it in the monthly minutes. The cops didn't give a rip.
That was a green operation.

Posted by: torabora at May 13, 2024 12:30 PM (9YtO4)

352 349 TJM, are you planning on reviewing Roger Corman's body of work now that he is dead?
Posted by: pudinhead at May 13, 2024 12:29 PM (/UtnQ)

=======

His directing work...maybe. His producing work? No way. Way too much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 13, 2024 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

353 Bill McGuire
@ProfBillMcGuire

Reworded

Emissions have only fallen at times of major economic shock, due to pandemic or otherwise

A much bigger one is the only way emissions will fall by at least 50% in 66 months - needed to have any chance of dodging dangerous, all pervasive, #climate breakdown

... depopulate Gaza

Posted by: SMOD at May 13, 2024 12:30 PM (RHGPo)

354 Casper, WY buried a bunch of these blades awhile back. I don’t think I read anything about recycling them though. If you look at the Nebraska-Colorado border, Colorado has put up miles of windmills around Peetz. Been several years since I’ve been out that way but it was a lot. Wonder where all that waste is going to end up.

Posted by: MH53J at May 13, 2024 12:53 PM (uljXG)

355 I wonder what was so important she had to have it tattooed on her index finger to constantly remind her.
Posted by: spindrift at May 13, 2024 11:47 AM (OguvZ)

Oh, that be her night with me.

Posted by: Knit dress girl's boyfriend at May 13, 2024 12:59 PM (iODuv)

356 Hell, give those old blades to Rednecks in Louisiana, WV, and all the other states that have a plethora of inventive coots with 'make it do' experience and a whole lotta duct tape. I'm gonna bet they could come up with homes for the homeless, barns, siding for their pickup trucks, fencing, and boats that can navigate the next killer storm/flood.

Don't give the money to the Liberal Arts majors - they have NO experience in taking a bunch of old, useless scrap material, and fashioning a workable object/machine.

Posted by: Linda S Fox at May 13, 2024 01:48 PM (7Rs+y)

357 EPA could pursue prior owners and mfgs to clean up the environment waste but we know that will never happen

Posted by: Nothing but the truf at May 13, 2024 01:51 PM (84xCx)

358 "Can Chimps Swim?"

The curator of the great ape house at the Lincoln Park Zoo once explained to me that chimps don't swim because of the density of their muscles and bones. They displace so little water compared to their weight that they sink like rocks. The muscle-mass density also explains why a five-foot chimp is strong enough to rip a human limb from limb.

He also mentioned that when they had a problem with rats infesting one of the habitats, all they had to do was move the chimps into the habitat: Problem solved. The rats never stand a chance.

Posted by: Nemo at May 13, 2024 02:24 PM (S6ArX)

359 By the way, there's another dump for dead wind turbine blades outside Bismark, ND.

Posted by: Nemo at May 13, 2024 02:25 PM (S6ArX)

360 Money for nothing, and your kicks for free! Climate change for ever!

Posted by: Fred at May 13, 2024 02:27 PM (bXvrr)

361 Take down all those Bird Choppers and Whale Killers

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 13, 2024 04:31 PM (wGqjj)

362 'When I asked him what he saw when he looked at photographs of the blades in Sweetwater, he said, "I see a new boat, a new car...."'

I'll bet he does.

Posted by: Phillip Brown at May 13, 2024 04:44 PM (ZOUg2)

363 Buck, you missed the lede.

These are not old worn out turbine blade, they are simply from turbines that no longer qualify for subsidies. They are being replaced because Green New Deal allocated more funds for subsidies and tax credits from IRS rule changes. I do not know the finance details, but as an engineer and businessman, this is outrageous. Imagine crushing your car when it still has 1/2 to 2/3 of it's life unused because gov. pays you to buy a new one.

From the 2023 article:
"The Sweetwater piles are also at least partly the indirect result of a rule clarification the Internal Revenue Service issued in 2016. Before then, a wind farm could collect valuable federal tax credits for only its first ten years of operation. But the IRS determined that it would restart the clock on the credits if a wind farm “repowered” its turbines—..."

These blades are specified for 20 year lifetime, but generally last much longer. Their being scrapped is proof that all the profit is in the subsidies and not the power they generate.

Posted by: A commenter at May 13, 2024 06:19 PM (un1lV)

364 Bury them part way to build a wall... somewhere.

Posted by: Steve O at May 13, 2024 08:18 PM (iY2C2)

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