New York Times: Supreme Court Conservatives Seem to Favor Acknowledging Some Form of Presidential Immunity, At Least for "Official Acts" Undertaken as Part of the President's "Core Powers"

This is by no means a guarantee for Trump. Amy Coney Barrett seems very sympathetic to Biden's handpicked Election Interference Agents.

And the Court will not be endorsing Trump's expansive, anything-the-president-does-is-immune-from-criminal-process theory.

But they do seem inclined to rule against the lower courts' almost-as-expansive theory that any president can be indicted for any reason post-presidency, and enjoys no immunity whatsoever.

The thing is, even if they just vote that way -- and say the lower courts erred in not determining which of Trump's acts may have been taken as part of his official duties -- then it's a win for Trump, because the case would be thrown back to the originating court with instructions for the judge to write a new opinion, which itself would be appealable. That would most likely punt the case into next year.

Here are some snippets of live updates from New York Times court "reporters." The "reporters" are Alan Feuer, Abbie VanSickle, and Charlie Savage. I won't be noting which updates were written by which "reporter."

Supreme Court Live Updates: Conservative Majority Seems Ready to Limit Election Case Against Trump

A ruling in the case, on whether the former president is immune from prosecution, would probably send it back to a lower court and could delay any trial until after the November election.

The Supreme Court's conservative majority seemed poised on Thursday to narrow the scope of the criminal case against former President Donald J. Trump on charges that he plotted to subvert the 2020 election.
Such a ruling, endorsing at least part of Mr. Trump's argument that he is immune from prosecution, would most likely send the case back to the trial court to draw distinctions between official and private conduct. Those proceedings could make it hard to conduct the trial before the 2024 election.
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D. John Sauer, Mr. Trump's lawyer, pressed an extreme version of the former president's argument. In answer to hypothetical questions, he said that presidential orders to murder political rivals or stage a coup could well be subject to immunity.
But several of the conservative justices seemed disinclined to consider those questions or the details of the accusations against Mr. Trump. Instead, they said the court should issue a ruling that applies to presidential power generally.
"We're writing a rule for the ages," Justice Neil M. Gorsuch said.
Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh also said the court should think about the larger implications of its decision. "This case has huge implications for the presidency, for the future of the presidency, for the future of the country."
Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said that a ruling for Mr. Trump could enhance democratic values.
"A stable, democratic society requires that a candidate who loses an election, even a close one, even a hotly contested one, leave office peacefully," he said, adding that the prospect of criminal prosecution would make that less likely.
"Will that not lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy?" he asked.
Justice Sonia Sotomayor said she had a different understanding. "A stable democratic society," she said, "needs the good faith of its public officials."
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Multiple justices focused on whether motive matters. This is a recurring pressure point in the question of whether an official act can be treated as a crime: Does it matter whether a president had a corrupt purpose? Proponents of a strong presidency point out that if the answer is yes, that could allow courts to second-guess whether a president's exercise of his constitutional responsibilities was reasonable, a significant blurring of separation of powers.
A lot of the discussion has swirled around the question of whether, without immunity, presidents will be hounded by their rivals with malicious charges after leaving office.

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The oral argument lasted nearly three hours, as the justices tangled with a lawyer for the former president and a Justice Department lawyer. A majority of the justices appeared skeptical of the idea of sweeping presidential immunity. However, several of them suggested an interest in drawing out what actions may be immune and what may not -- a move that could delay the former president's trial if the Supreme Court asks a lower court to revisit the issues.
Many of the justices seemed to be considering the idea that presidents should enjoy some form of protection against criminal prosecution. The devil however will be in the details: How should that protection extend?
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Looking back, one of the main points of discussion turned on the question of which situation would be worse: a world in which presidents, shorn of any legal protections against prosecution, were ceaselessly pursued in the courts by their rivals in a never-ending cycle of political retribution, or allowing presidents to be unbounded by criminal law and permitted to do whatever they wanted with impunity.
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Justice Barrett picks up the question of timing again. She suggests that if prosecutors want to take Trump quickly to trial, they could simply drop those parts of the indictment that seem to be his official acts as president and proceed with only those parts of the indictment that reflect Trump's private actions taken as a candidate for office. Dreeben is not wild about that idea.

No, because this is all political. It's not about justice, it's about saving Biden from an election he is doomed to lose.

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Justice Barrett seems to signal that she is less likely to find that presidents have blanket immunity for their official acts. When Dreeben says the system needs to balance the effective functioning of the presidency and accountability for a former president under the rule of law, and the existing system does that pretty well or maybe needs a few ancillary rules but that is different from the "radical proposal" put forward by Trump's legal team, she says: "I agree."

What about Obama? Can he be prosecuted for the murder of Anwar al-Awaki?

You know, there's no statute of limitations for murder.

Should we try Obama next?

Kavanaugh asks Dreeben about Obama's drone strike that killed an American citizen suspected of terrorism, Anwar al-Awlaki, which Trump's lawyer invoked in his opening. Dreeben notes that the Office of Legal Counsel analyzed the question and found that the murder statute did not apply to presidents when they were acting under public authority, so authorizing the strike was lawful. This is the way the system can function, he said -- the Justice Department analyzes laws carefully and with established principles.

Oh sure, we should trust the corrupt, weaponized DOJ.

Say Trump wins. He installs Rudy Giuliani as AG.

Are Biden's hand-picked Election Interference Agents still on board with the claim that anything the DOJ does must be right and proper?

Note the contradiction here -- they're saying that we cannot have a blanket rule that anything a president does is presumptively legal. They just want a blanket rule that anything a DOJ does is presumptively legal.

So long as that DOJ is headed by a Democrat, of course.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 06:35 PM

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1 This isn't just about Trump....it is also about 200 or so political prisoners from the january 6th mess.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 06:37 PM (QNSds)

2 Unless President is Trump. Of course.

Posted by: Eromero at April 25, 2024 06:37 PM (o2ZRX)

3 OK something is broken. I read most of the post and had time to comment and was still first?

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 06:37 PM (QNSds)

4 They will release a convoluted jusgement that says something like, yeah Presidents have immunity except trump.

Posted by: banana Dream at April 25, 2024 06:38 PM (Y6IkP)

5 It's in the orangemanbad clause, duh

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2024 06:39 PM (2UnvF)

6 This is by no means a guarantee for Trump. Amy Coney Barrett seems very sympathetic to Biden's handpicked Election Interference Agents.

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At the time she was appointed I thought it was a mistake. No female appointment to SC has been a success so far. I am a woman but I hope a woman is never again appointed to SC.

Posted by: Decaf at April 25, 2024 06:40 PM (unUNN)

7 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 06:40 PM (BhMhR)

8 OT...

https://tinyurl.com/y8exckhr

(Twatter)

Statue of Queen Elizabeth part deux.

I certainly appreciate that they made sure to give her statue DDs.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 06:41 PM (BhMhR)

9 OK something is broken. I read most of the post and had time to comment and was still first?
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 06:37 PM (QNSds)

You were up against salmon sperm. You didn't stand a chance.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 25, 2024 06:41 PM (eoQWY)

10 Paxton needs to indict Hillary for her 2016 election denial and false charges that Russia caused her loss in addition to her role in creating the false dossier to influence the election.

Might as well play their lawfare game until we move on to warfare.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 06:42 PM (MNhXM)

11 7 Afternoon.
Posted by: Robert
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Yes it is. Drinks! bbl

Posted by: Braenyard at April 25, 2024 06:42 PM (lCWOD)

12 If the House impeaches and the Senate convicts a President for "High Crimes", then at that point (maybe) the judiciary has a possible role.

Before that, nah bruh

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 25, 2024 06:42 PM (etkZU)

13 When a President does something bad, the Constitution allows for Impeachment and removal.

That is the remedy.

Biden should be impeached and removed but the political will to do so does not exist, unfortunately.

Con Law 101.

Posted by: Czech Chick at April 25, 2024 06:43 PM (I6NNh)

14 Apparently, Beau was gunned down by Babyface Nelson.

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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at April 25, 2024 06:44 PM (FVME7)

15 Trump is done; they got his ass! Even the right-wing nutcases on the court are gonna convict him, it's so obvious. Jack Smith is a true American warrior!

Posted by: Sid at April 25, 2024 06:44 PM (TcYtN)

16 I listened to some of the arguments and have read the opinions of a number of smart legal commentators and the consensus seems to be partial immunity and remand back to the lower court. Gorsuch seemed to be particularly good today.

Trump also had a good day in the hush money case. The prosecutions chief witness David Pecker, I mean c'mon, said Trump had no involvement in the payouts and it was he and Cohen who came up with the plan.

Trump is fortunate to have such inept enemies.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2024 06:44 PM (LkLld)

17 At the time she was appointed I thought it was a mistake. No female appointment to SC has been a success so far. I am a woman but I hope a woman is never again appointed to SC.
Posted by: Decaf at April 25, 2024 06:40 PM (unUNN)
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I'm not wild about some of the men either.

The truth is the founders floundered on the SCOTUS design, especially after John Marshall filled out the design.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 25, 2024 06:45 PM (YLSFg)

18
The best, most hard hitting questions came from the left.

/ obvious troll is obvious

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 25, 2024 06:45 PM (RKVpM)

19 It’s getting off work and dinner time . This post proves It’s not the Cafe’s fault.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 06:45 PM (MNhXM)

20 Some on X are saying that ACB will vote with the majority, and Roberts will lead them. It is possible that Kagan also joins, in a 7-2 decision. She knows that future Dem presidents could be ruined by the lawfare of their own making.

Posted by: Cory C at April 25, 2024 06:45 PM (Ii59e)

21 Justice Sonia Sotomayor said she had a different understanding. "A stable democratic society," she said, "needs the good faith of its public officials."

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That is more applicable to the bureaucracy, people can wait out a bad president but a rotten bureaucracy is forever.

Posted by: Decaf at April 25, 2024 06:46 PM (unUNN)

22 If the House impeaches and the Senate convicts a President for "High Crimes", then at that point (maybe) the judiciary has a possible role.

Before that, nah bruh
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 25, 2024 06:42 PM (etkZU)

Impeachment and removal is non-justiciable. That's what they said after Alcee Hastings was removed from the bench and he sued to get back on it.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 06:46 PM (BhMhR)

23 But they do seem inclined to rule against the lower courts' almost-as-expansive theory that any president can be indicted for any reason post-presidency, and enjoys no immunity whatsoever.

The thing is, even if they just vote that way -- and say the lower courts erred in not determining which of Trump's acts may have been taken as part of his official duties --
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I think that is what will happen

Posted by: runner at April 25, 2024 06:46 PM (V13WU)

24 I'm not wild about some of the men either.

The truth is the founders floundered on the SCOTUS design, especially after John Marshall filled out the design.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 25, 2024 06:45 PM (YLSFg)

They didn't have a design, they just said there should be such a court. Judicial review was something that was made up.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 25, 2024 06:46 PM (eoQWY)

25 Apparently, Beau was gunned down by Babyface Nelson.

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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at April 25, 2024 06:44 PM (FVME7)
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Maybe his first wife was an undercover cop.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 25, 2024 06:47 PM (YLSFg)

26 They will release a convoluted jusgement that says something like, yeah Presidents have immunity except trump.
Posted by: banana Dream at April 25, 2024 06:38 PM (Y6IkP)
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Yup. Everything FJB does as POTUS is 100% kosher and Constitutional.

Everything Trump did as POTUS was a flagrant violation of the law and he must be punished.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 25, 2024 06:47 PM (BpYfr)

27 Sad that Ace hates Trump and thus can’t fully exploit the whole sordid lawfare grab by the Left.

Posted by: Maximillian at April 25, 2024 06:47 PM (cuS3i)

28 People keep talking about Trump-appointed justices when the truth is he merely rubber stamped McConnell's picks. Everything these justices do, say one decide can be sheeted to the GOPe.

Posted by: Decaf at April 25, 2024 06:48 PM (unUNN)

29 Gorsuch is gold.

Posted by: Maximillian at April 25, 2024 06:48 PM (cuS3i)

30 Sad that Ace hates Trump and thus can’t fully exploit the whole sordid lawfare grab by the Left.
Posted by: Maximillian

Seems to me like he's fully exploiting.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at April 25, 2024 06:49 PM (FVME7)

31 Of course Barrett would side against trump, he destroyed access to muh bortions by.... appointing Barrett to scotus.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 25, 2024 06:50 PM (PHukT)

32 If DOJ has to vet everything a President says or does is legal then the DOJ is the hand up the President's a55.

Posted by: torabora at April 25, 2024 06:50 PM (j9uO3)

33 People keep talking about Trump-appointed justices when the truth is he merely rubber stamped McConnell's picks. Everything these justices do, say one decide can be sheeted to the GOPe.
Posted by: Decaf at April 25, 2024 06:48 PM (unUNN)

I rarely give credit or place blame on Presidents for their picks. I think Papa Bush is the last President I gave credit and that was for picking Thomas and standing by him.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 06:50 PM (MNhXM)

34 Beau was killed by a cop who drank his lunch.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 25, 2024 06:51 PM (PHukT)

35 ISIS wasn't going to found itself!

Posted by: Barry Obama at April 25, 2024 06:51 PM (2fIGV)

36 Easy: Everything trump does is illegal, arbitrary, and capricious.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 25, 2024 06:52 PM (PHukT)

37 I couldn't have pardoned Marc Rich without the safety of Presidential immunity.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 25, 2024 06:52 PM (2fIGV)

38 Trump held a rally, he didn’t ask for anyone to do anything illegal, in fact, he told people to be peaceful.

If he wasn’t president he’d still be innocent of any criminal act.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 25, 2024 06:54 PM (Dz6Vv)

39 They will release a convoluted jusgement that says something like, yeah Presidents have immunity except trump.
Posted by: banana Dream

You won't be able to take the victory when it comes, will you? The Supreme Court is going to define the limits, once and for all, which is why Trump encourages the case.

Posted by: t-bird at April 25, 2024 06:55 PM (2fIGV)

40 If they do some sort of immunity how will that affect all the trials against Trump ?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 25, 2024 06:55 PM (Akjoo)

41 Posted by: Maximillian

Who the fuck are you again?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 25, 2024 06:55 PM (IG4Id)

42 they got his ass!
Posted by: Sid at April 25, 2024 06:44 PM (TcYtN)

When are you letting us out? It's roomy enough but it reeks of semen in here

Posted by: the gerbils at April 25, 2024 06:56 PM (gKWVE)

43 DOJ, Kevin Clinesmith, FISA warrant...Yeah, I'm comfortably assured we can always trust the DOJ to behave in an above board fashion.

Posted by: Charles Martel at April 25, 2024 06:57 PM (6Gpcl)

44 Presidents are immune unless they encourage a violent insurrection!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 25, 2024 06:57 PM (PHukT)

45 BIDEN: "Every time a police officer puts on that shield every morning, their husband or wife, whatever it is, or child, worries about will they get that phone call. I got one of those phone calls"

"We caught your son with a hooker again" That call? I never got that one.

Posted by: t-bird at April 25, 2024 06:57 PM (2fIGV)

46 Trump is the new Nixon with a target on his back by the same deep state. Just different weapons used.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 06:57 PM (MNhXM)

47 If Sid knows anything he knows all about getting ass

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2024 06:57 PM (FQmDC)

48 >>And the Court will not be endorsing Trump's expansive, anything-the-president-does-is-immune-from-criminal-process theory.

Trumps team never made the case for an anything goes, the President can wack a man on 5th Avenue argument and you can't do nothing about it, that was the lefts insinuation, Trumps teams argument was you cannot indict a President for official acts while President, otherwise, the SCOAMF, The Meat Puppet and The Shrub would all be in the doc for the actions they took as President.

My guess it's either 7-2 or 6-3 for Trump with all kinds of hand waving and carve outs and a decision that's so narrow and tight, that it would be the envy of any Farmers Daughter.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 25, 2024 06:58 PM (XV/Pl)

49 Easy: Everything trump does is illegal, arbitrary, and capricious.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

He’s totally inappropriate. He's lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at April 25, 2024 06:58 PM (FVME7)

50 Hold onto that thought Sid.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 25, 2024 06:59 PM (LfcYE)

51 Was trying to read Supreme Court report but law talk only makes my eyes water

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2024 06:59 PM (fwDg9)

52 The SC sounds like it will side mostly with Trump. They'll return the case to the trial ct level for specific findings as to what might not be covered by immunity. This will jam up Smith's case until after the election . Leftist heads are going to explode. Cue Nelson Muntz

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 25, 2024 06:59 PM (aX7Uj)

53 I'm the hand up that weasel Garland's a55. And he's high and tight up where I put him. Uhm, draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: The Lightworker at April 25, 2024 07:00 PM (j9uO3)

54 @46

>>Trump is the new Nixon with a target on his back by the same deep state. Just different weapons used.

Nixon was undone by a former naval intelligence officer, the number 2 at the FBI and a bunch of CIA operatives.

Trumps Panopticon Spans the Globe and has numerous bad actors.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 25, 2024 07:00 PM (XV/Pl)

55 41 Posted by: Maximillian

Who the fuck are you again?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 25, 2024 06:55 PM (IG4Id)

He's looking to get nasty with Reinhardt.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at April 25, 2024 07:00 PM (t/qwz)

56 I often say the Eff Bee Eye is 2-0 in taking out Republican Presidents

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2024 07:02 PM (fwDg9)

57 Well whatever ruling that SCOTUS makes it will be about the end of June, just about the time that Trump's NYC kangaroo court trial will be over.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 07:02 PM (QNSds)

58 >>> And the Court will not be endorsing Trump's expansive, anything-the-president-does-is-immune-from-criminal-process theory.

IF,
POTUS can launch military strikes against foreign enemies real or imagined and kill 10s, 100s, orders of magnitude more for shits and gigles; order DOJ to prosecute marginal cases of whatever flavor to incclude persecuting political enemies with o'dark thirty raids killing all citizen occupants; throw away single most important directive throwing away border protection so that even unorganized swarms of thug aliens rampage throughout the nation sponging off lawful citizens, at best, killing them at worst;

That is what impeachment is for.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 25, 2024 07:04 PM (cOq4q)

59 Almost the entire court guffawed when the special counsel lawyer said we should trust the DoJ, because they have shown over time they can be trusted to be fair.

For Trump, this is going to come down to whether his acts related to the election were even criminal. Spoiler alert, they were not. The entire objective of this Democrat charade is to provide air cover for their election fraud activities. They want anything resembling an effort to obtain the truth as being prosecutable.

Posted by: Vengeance at April 25, 2024 07:05 PM (BZE7Z)

60 There was a time I could just cast my vote for President and let Baseball and the Yankees break my heart. There was a time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:05 PM (PQ4m2)

61 If Trump wins he has to start charging people from the Biden Junta immediately along with the people in the states that enabled the steal. In fact it has to be pretty much his top priority.

Will he? Who knows.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 25, 2024 07:07 PM (ibTVg)

62 This barrett broad is shaping up as a disappointment

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:07 PM (PQ4m2)

63 There was a time when the election was done on election night...

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2024 07:07 PM (FQmDC)

64 ACB will be remembered as a mistake. She is not the worst, but she wont hold conservative values on anything outside of the family home. 2A, international issues, immigration and federal power are all issues she is, at best, a waffler.

Scalia in a skirt she aint.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2024 07:08 PM (aVudl)

65 Just saw a video of one of the leaders of the Columbia gaggle saying Zionists and white supremacists deserve to be killed. I'm neither, but I'm pretty sure he means me.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2024 07:08 PM (2UnvF)

66 Still makes me Hulk angry that Biden’s much worse illegal document handling case is dismissed while they are still pursuing the Trump non illegal case full blast.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 07:08 PM (MNhXM)

67 @60

>>and let Baseball and the Yankees break my heart.

The Yankees have won nearly a 1/4 of all World Series Played.

Heartache? Pfft

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Mets fans with two measly World Series, who should have won at least 3 more and don't get me started on Bobby Bonnilla.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 25, 2024 07:09 PM (XV/Pl)

68 65 If you are white the left considers you a white supremacist...

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2024 07:10 PM (FQmDC)

69 Unless a president has complete immunity then our system of government is broken and lost. Each new administration will be imprisoning the previous one, and it will be never ending.
At the moment the DOJ is supposedly more powerful than the presidency!
If Trump wins in Nov. he needs to fire everyone in the DOJ, right down to the secretaries, mailroom and janitors.

Posted by: Ciampino - Vitreous Humour is funny glass #203 at April 25, 2024 07:10 PM (qfLjt)

70 It is rare to see judges when they end up on the SC stay conservative. Alito and Thomas now, as well as Scalia are exceptions. Earl Warren was the Republican governor of Cali who was a appointed by Ike.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 25, 2024 07:11 PM (aX7Uj)

71 This barrett broad is shaping up as a disappointment

She started hanging out with her beach friends again.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 25, 2024 07:11 PM (mH6SG)

72 It really needs to be stressed that
- Until FDR decided he was better than 150 years of tradition, we did not need a law restricting terms to two.
- Until Gore took a win-at-any-cost position in FLA, it was understood that a sore loser, or a sore winner, would be a disaster for the country.
- Until biden took a Stalin-esque position toward Trump, it was also understood that such a prosecution would cause great damage to the country.

The Democrats are pure Left, and the Left just wants power and to destroy civilization. They are children. The world will burn, including them. They must be destroyed. I suggest nukes.

(Same with filibuster, same with illegal voting, same with shutting down dissent,.....)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 25, 2024 07:11 PM (B+Em3)

73 Scalia in a skirt she aint.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 25, 2024 07:08 PM (aVudl)

She was nominated for all the wrong reasons. Female, short judicial record and, strangely, because she's Catholic.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 07:11 PM (BhMhR)

74 There was a time when the election was done on election night...
Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2024 07:07 PM (FQmDC)

There was a time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:12 PM (PQ4m2)

75 She was nominated for all the wrong reasons. Female, short judicial record and, strangely, because she's Catholic.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 07:11 PM

And Kennedy was almost not nominated because he was a Catholic. There was an entire segment of the voting public back then that thought a Catholic could never win a national election.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 07:13 PM (QNSds)

76 @73

>>because she's Catholic.

She was nominated to complete the group who were a lock to overturn Roe.

That's it.

Her ideology is too scattered otherwise but she did over turn Roe.

So, there's that.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 25, 2024 07:13 PM (XV/Pl)

77 and let Baseball and the Yankees break my heart.

The Yankees have won nearly a 1/4 of all World Series Played.

Heartache? Pfft

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Mets fans with two measly World Series, who should have won at least 3 more and don't get me started on Bobby Bonnilla.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 25, 2024 07:09 PM (XV/Pl)

I have high standards, what can I say LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:13 PM (PQ4m2)

78 @67 July 1st until 2035 is Bobby Bonilla day

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 25, 2024 07:14 PM (aX7Uj)

79 Well, you trust the corrupt, weaponized SS Stormtroopers, so why not trust the DOJ?

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at April 25, 2024 07:14 PM (FRT/w)

80 >>Just saw a video of one of the leaders of the Columbia gaggle saying Zionists and white supremacists deserve to be killed. I'm neither, but I'm pretty sure he means me.

I've about had my fill of racist black supremacists.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2024 07:14 PM (LkLld)

81 Also if Congress has immunity on speech then the President needs the same level of immunity on speech.
I liked the idea of taking Obama to court on murder charges. Try him in a court not sympathetic to Dems.

Posted by: Ciampino - Vitreous Humour is funny glass #204 at April 25, 2024 07:15 PM (qfLjt)

82 Meh Bonilla with his deferred money gets all the hate what about Jason Bay?

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2024 07:15 PM (FQmDC)

83 Ya have never and will never see the 3 left wing amigos break rank on anything important

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:15 PM (PQ4m2)

84 "This barrett broad is shaping up as a disappointment"

She's been know as amy conjob barrett for some time now.

Posted by: Outside of Life at April 25, 2024 07:15 PM (89Sog)

85 Unless a president has complete immunity then our system of government is broken and lost. Each new administration will be imprisoning the previous one, and it will be never ending.

Its the Ukrainian way.

The guy that won the last mostly free election imprisoned his opponent.

The guy Obama installed in the coup then tried to jail that guy who fled.

Then when lil Z "won" he tried to have that guy jailed...but he also fled. Lil Z did pardon the CIA stooge after the war with Russia started though...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 25, 2024 07:17 PM (ibTVg)

86 Hot Air: Big Sister Returns: Criticism of My Work Is a Dire Threat to Democracy

https://tinyurl.com/mwwavt7z

These fucking people never get tired, do they?

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 07:17 PM (BhMhR)

87 The left will stick a reliable vote mediocrity or crony on the court , the right is too split to ever manage it. Since as we know a good chunk of the GOP plays for the other team.

Posted by: steevy at April 25, 2024 07:17 PM (FQmDC)

88 Ya have never and will never see the 3 left wing amigos break rank on anything important

Barrett and Roberts seem to be their own bloc.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 25, 2024 07:17 PM (i7drE)

89 My thought has been the Supreme Court isn't a Law rule review anymore its a political organization.

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2024 07:18 PM (fwDg9)

90 @82

>>Meh Bonilla with his deferred money gets all the hate what about Jason Bay?

Jason Bay simply disintegrated, the Bonilla thing was a Special Kind of Stupid and Greed.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 25, 2024 07:18 PM (XV/Pl)

91 My opinion is that any justice voting opposite of Thomas and Alito are provably wrong. And when Thomas and Alito disagree I look to the sky to see if SMOD is approaching.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 07:20 PM (MNhXM)

92 OT
Daily owl

https://IMGur.com/ESYOr6N

https://IMGur.com/a/oEtfZFC

The last owl has left the nest. If you look at the nest pic in the tree closely you can see one of the baby owls watching me.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 25, 2024 07:20 PM (I6U7D)

93 Ever since Roberts slinked away from the Government Healthcare and turned it into a political decision that was when I decided the Supreme Court is wasted

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2024 07:21 PM (fwDg9)

94 And there's still the massive issue of whether Jack Smith was properly appointed.

Others suggest that this is the narrowest ruling, which gets rid of this for now.
A favorite tactic of the Court.

If they rule he's not an officer, he had indicted ultra vires and the charges are void.
The DOJ would have to start from scratch.
And this time with a grand jury in FL.
Not their hand-picked drooling lackeys in DC.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 25, 2024 07:21 PM (yikga)

95 Korsuch was Korsuck for a while there. He has the potential to screw us too.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 07:22 PM (MNhXM)

96 Ever since Roberts slinked away from the Government Healthcare and turned it into a political decision that was when I decided the Supreme Court is wasted

I've worked on the theory that Roberts votes to save the image of the court. I'll die convinced that Obama was ready to defy the Supremes over ObamaCare - so Roberts caved.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 25, 2024 07:23 PM (i7drE)

97 Remember when the SCOTUS said that student loan forgiveness was unconstitutional and Brandon did it anyway? Good times.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2024 07:25 PM (2UnvF)

98 Barbara Lagoa should have been on SC, rather than ACB. PDT should have listened to Gov Ron. No young kids, great personal story, true conservative.

Posted by: EveR at April 25, 2024 07:26 PM (Z/h4+)

99
don't get me started on Bobby Bonnilla.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

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Financially it actually was a net plus for the Mets. The Mets didn't have $5 million to spare at the time. Waiting 10 years and getting 25 years of payments probably cost Bonilla several million dollars.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 25, 2024 07:27 PM (ro5Z0)

100 Korsuch was Korsuck for a while there. He has the potential to screw us too.
Posted by: polynikes at

Gorsuch is there to bury Chevron which he will. So from a certain point of view acb and gorsuch will have done their jobs.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 25, 2024 07:28 PM (MGB5H)

101 Legal Insurrection: Scientists Sign Declaration Proclaiming Fish, Lobsters, Octopi, and Insects Have “Consciousness”

https://tinyurl.com/3f9xkfr3

Lobsters may have some level of consciousness but the important thing to remember they're delicious when steamed and dipped in butter.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 07:28 PM (BhMhR)

102 Remember when the SCOTUS said that student loan forgiveness was unconstitutional and Brandon did it anyway? Good times.

Yep. The horse is out of the barn. Its ironic - Roberts will be remembered as the chief justice that presided over the irrelevency of the court - exactly what he tried to avoid.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 25, 2024 07:28 PM (i7drE)

103 Ever since Roberts slinked away from the Government Healthcare and turned it into a political decision that was when I decided the Supreme Court is wasted

Posted by: Skip at April 25, 2024 07:21 PM

Kelo vs. The City of New London was the last straw on common sense from SCOTUS. Never before has the government been able to seize private property and gift it to a private entity.

". . . nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 07:28 PM (QNSds)

104 ". . . nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Posted by: Mister Scott

Hey I've read that somewhere before.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 25, 2024 07:29 PM (MGB5H)

105 Lobsters may have some level of consciousness but the important thing to remember they're delicious when steamed and dipped in butter.
Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 07:28 PM (BhMhR)

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I once got my own post for a comment about lobsters.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2024 07:30 PM (2UnvF)

106 Looking back at the CO insurrection decision.
All the legal experts said CO had it right.

None of them caught the justices question on how this doesn't result in a patchwork of inconsistent laws.
With various states denying candidates for any reason.

And this is the big thing that they all missed:
When the Justice asked how CO's position would prevent endless future litigation. Ending up again at their court.

And that was the question again today:
How do we rule that doesn't result in endless future litigation?
Especially if they grant limited immunity how does that not mean constant recrimination suits each arguing this act is like the act the Court said doesn't have immunity.
Even frivolous claims which will endlessly tie the president up in litigation.

Meaning, the only safe ruling is absolute immunity with the people deciding if it was criminal via impeachment and removal.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 25, 2024 07:32 PM (yikga)

107 Kosher Lobster are the best, but Mamma Mia, are they expensive

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:33 PM (PQ4m2)

108 Justice Sonia Sotomayor said "A stable democratic society, needs the good faith of its public officials."

In what way are these charges "good faith"? They seem like a gross misuse of power by a rogue attorney.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at April 25, 2024 07:33 PM (nLFEI)

109 Why are we even talking about Trump getting elected. Even if he does, impeachment and the Dems/GOP will block everything he tries to do.

It's just a soap opera. America is gone. We can only hope to find a refuge to live our lives peacefully till we die.

Posted by: Just sayin at April 25, 2024 07:33 PM (4gQRD)

110 101 Legal Insurrection: Scientists Sign Declaration Proclaiming Fish, Lobsters, Octopi, and Insects Have “Consciousness”

https://tinyurl.com/3f9xkfr3

Lobsters may have some level of consciousness but the important thing to remember they're delicious when steamed and dipped in butter.
Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 07:28 PM

I will remember this study when they are trying to force us all to eat bugs.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 25, 2024 07:33 PM (I6U7D)

111 Note the contradiction here -- they're saying that we cannot have a blanket rule that anything a president does is presumptively legal. They just want a blanket rule that anything a DOJ does is presumptively legal.

So long as that DOJ is headed by a Democrat, of course.

An admirably concise and cogent description of the Deep State's outlook.

Posted by: Paco at April 25, 2024 07:34 PM (njExo)

112 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 07:28 PM (QNSds)

One turncoat caused that. Thanks Souter and the people who recommended him.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 07:34 PM (MNhXM)

113 Babylon Bee>>>>>>>>> The Onion

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 25, 2024 07:35 PM (wz9M6)

114 One turncoat caused that. Thanks Souter and the people who recommended him.

Bush the Elder ?

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 25, 2024 07:35 PM (i7drE)

115 Kosher Lobster are the best, but Mamma Mia, are they expensive

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:33 PM (PQ4m2)

Should I take the yarmulkas off before cooking?

Posted by: Just sayin at April 25, 2024 07:35 PM (4gQRD)

116 I want to live in a world where electricity generated by clean nuclear energy powers my fridge full of fresh lobster.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 07:36 PM (BhMhR)

117 It's just a soap opera. America is gone. We can only hope to find a refuge to live our lives peacefully till we die.
Posted by: Just sayin at April 25, 2024 07:33 PM (4gQRD)

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Then give up and quit.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2024 07:36 PM (2UnvF)

118 Octopus are pretty smart and there is some evidence they have emotions but lobsters are dumber than a bag of hammers.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2024 07:36 PM (LkLld)

119 Kosher Lobster are the best, but Mamma Mia, are they expensive

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:33 PM (PQ4m2)

Should I take the yarmulkas off before cooking?
Posted by: Just sayin at April 25, 2024 07:35 PM (4gQRD)

Absolutely, it is against the law to boil a lobster with it's Kippah on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 25, 2024 07:37 PM (PQ4m2)

120 Gorsuch is there to bury Chevron which he will. So from a certain point of view acb and gorsuch will have done their jobs.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 25, 2024 07:28 PM (MGB5H)

We will see. I ain’t counting my chickens though I think you are probably right.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 07:37 PM (MNhXM)

121 Its the Ukrainian way.

The guy that won the last mostly free election imprisoned his opponent.

The guy Obama installed in the coup then tried to jail that guy who fled.

Then when lil Z "won" he tried to have that guy jailed...but he also fled. Lil Z did pardon the CIA stooge after the war with Russia started though...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 25, 2024 07:17 PM (ibTVg)

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They are supposed to learn from us not we from them.

Posted by: Decaf at April 25, 2024 07:37 PM (unUNN)

122 People seem to forget that Bill Clinton fired a cruise missile at a baby food factory to make it look like he was doing something during the Balkan war. How many did he off with that while getting blown in the Oval? Obama droned multiple civilians. Does each one warrant a separate trial? Based on this logic, sure does!

If only the red states had some AGs with balls who would go after these clowns instead of always letting things go one direction.

Posted by: Mr. Fabulist at April 25, 2024 07:37 PM (kIwCj)

123 >>One turncoat caused that. Thanks Souter and the people who recommended him.

Bush the Elder ?
Posted by: Its Always Been This Way

Him and the DC Dicksips.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 25, 2024 07:37 PM (IG4Id)

124 Justice Sonia Sotomayor said "A stable democratic society, needs the good faith of its public officials."
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So is the wide Latinx now voting Republican?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 25, 2024 07:37 PM (YqDXo)

125 I once got my own post for a comment about lobsters.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2024 07:30 PM

And yet no post love for your OnlyFans career. Sad.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 25, 2024 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)

126 I'm always a little suspicious of those who say we should just give up and allow the tyrants to take over.

Posted by: Emmie at April 25, 2024 07:38 PM (Sf2cq)

127 Babylon Bee>>>>>>>>> The Onion
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 25, 2024 07:35 PM (wz9M6)

The Bee has great headlines, but the articles can be really hit or miss.

There was a time when The Onion was can't miss.

Posted by: Robert at April 25, 2024 07:38 PM (BhMhR)

128 Next year Trump should empty out the DOJ and State, everyone else will fall into line.

Posted by: Decaf at April 25, 2024 07:38 PM (unUNN)

129 nood

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 25, 2024 07:39 PM (IG4Id)

130 People seem to forget that Bill Clinton fired a cruise missile at a baby food factory to make it look like he was doing something during the Balkan war. How many did he off with that while getting blown in the Oval? Obama droned multiple civilians. Does each one warrant a separate trial? Based on this logic, sure does!

If only the red states had some AGs with balls who would go after these clowns instead of always letting things go one direction.

Posted by: Mr. Fabulist at April 25, 2024 07:37 PM

Well first he would have had to order that missile fired when he was in a red state for jurisdictional issues to apply. Trump was in DC so everything he did is/was fair game for the democrats.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 07:39 PM (QNSds)

131 DC DickSips should be the new name for the Redskins.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 25, 2024 07:39 PM (i7drE)

132 Then give up and quit.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2024 07:36 PM (2UnvF)

So tell me what to do Duke. I have bought a place outside of cities for security and peace , and of course vote harder. What else?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 25, 2024 07:39 PM (4gQRD)

133 And yet no post love for your OnlyFans career. Sad.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 25, 2024 07:38 PM

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Both were hilarious though.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 25, 2024 07:39 PM (2UnvF)

134 114 One turncoat caused that. Thanks Souter and the people who recommended him.

Bush the Elder ?
Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 25, 2024 07:35 PM (i7drE)

Again I rarely give credit or place blame on a President ( Republican) . Most names are recommended to them and in the best light.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 07:39 PM (MNhXM)

135 Legal Insurrection: Scientists Sign Declaration Proclaiming Fish, Lobsters, Octopi, and Insects Have “Consciousness”

Notice that they didn't say anything about leftists.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 25, 2024 07:40 PM (YqDXo)

136 a bag of hammers.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 25, 2024 07:36 PM

I'm interested!

Posted by: Paul P. at April 25, 2024 07:40 PM (a3Q+t)

137 I have bought a place outside of cities for security and peace , and of course vote harder. What else?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 25, 2024 07:39 PM

Practice bass ukulele solos.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 25, 2024 07:42 PM (a3Q+t)

138 So tell me what to do Duke. I have bought a place outside of cities for security and peace , and of course vote harder. What else?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 25, 2024 07:39 PM (4gQRD)

I think he is saying don’t give up , not that you have to do something. When an opportunity presents itself then you can make that choice. Not giving up is 99% of the battle. But I understand it’s tempting to do. I’ve been on the brink multiple times.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 07:43 PM (MNhXM)

139 Legal Insurrection: Scientists Sign Declaration Proclaiming Fish, Lobsters, Octopi, and Insects Have “Consciousness”

I declare two of the four have a preferred place on my dinner plate. Octopi and bugs are safe - for now.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 25, 2024 07:44 PM (i7drE)

140 Practice bass ukulele solos.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 25, 2024 07:42 PM (a3Q+t)

LMAO! Sage advice. I'm also practicing cowbell.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 25, 2024 07:44 PM (4gQRD)

141 But I really liked the point that, if they rule a president can be criminally changed once he leaves office, why would any President voluntarily leave?

Especially knowing his most bitter enemies can now imprison him for life.
Or at the least bankrupt him defending endless frivolous criminal charges.
But worse, how about in office, frozen from making a gray area calls under that threat?
With the catch-22 that if he doesn't act, that could also be criminally charged?

They keep with the horror exaggeration of a president ordering the aasaination of a rival.
How about a president ordering the murder of Timothy McVeigh a week before Oklahoma City?
But national security prevents proof of why.
That's pure murder, right.
Or he passes the opportunity, McVeigh kills hundreds. And the IC leaks he refused to stop McVeigh.
Now he's criminally liable for those murders.

That's how fucking insane the left is to get Trump.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 25, 2024 07:44 PM (yikga)

142 I’ve been on the brink multiple times.

Posted by: polynikes at April 25, 2024 07:43 PM (MNhXM)

Well I donate locally and work for local candidates to keep my state red. And will vote Trump but, the presidency accomplishing a turnaround is for the country is pissing in the wind IMHO.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 25, 2024 07:47 PM (4gQRD)

143 I'm curious where in the Constitution the DOJ finds any authority to do anything at all?

Obama's DOJ advised Obama that it was fine to kill al-Awaki. The only one in that discussion that had any Constitutional power whatsoever was Obama.

Posted by: Tar Bae at April 25, 2024 07:54 PM (uR4Tu)

144 Just a SWAG here, but if a president while in office were found to have murdered an aide in the WH, no immunity. It is not a high crime and misdemeanor so not impeachable, but it sure ought to be subject to criminal prosecution.
OTOH, anything that can shoe-horned into a presidential official acts, even authorizing drone strikes on a known international terrorist despite his US citizenship, ought to fall within the core powers of the Article II presidency as commander-in-chief.
The problem is in where exactly to draw that line of distinction.

Posted by: Fritz at April 25, 2024 09:20 PM (vMtiO)

145 And Kennedy was almost not nominated because he was a Catholic. There was an entire segment of the voting public back then that thought a Catholic could never win a national election.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 25, 2024 07:13 PM (QNSds)

Actually, the entire Kennedy being Catholic thing was, many people were apprehensive about the Vatican controlling the presidency. I still remember the heated discussions about that.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at April 25, 2024 09:27 PM (iODuv)

146 Let's say Trump gets reelected for the third time.

Congress is sworn in before the President.

So Congress just declared Biden cheated oopsie and Trump was actually the President for the last four years so CANNOT have a third term so Biden wins the 2024 election
for his second first term.

Hey my stuff is better than their stuff any day.

Posted by: torabora at April 25, 2024 09:31 PM (j9uO3)

147 Being that the Pope is a raging commie rat and the current 'President' is a Catholic maybe we've been barking up the wrong tree and it's the POPE, not Obama, with his hand up Joetatoe's a55.

Posted by: torabora at April 25, 2024 09:35 PM (j9uO3)

148 Supreme Court Conservatives Seem to Favor Acknowledging Some Form of Presidential Immunity, At Least for "Official Acts" Undertaken as Part of the President's "Core Powers"

.. Barack Obama will sleep fine tonight

Posted by: Neo at April 25, 2024 11:30 PM (RovqD)

149 DOJ lawyer Michael Dreeben says it's perfectly fine for Obama to drone strike innocent civilians while arguing in favor of prosecuting Trump for "election interference."

Remarkable.

The comment came after Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh cornered Dreeben by asking him about presidential immunity and why Obama was never prosecuted.

Dreeben said the drone strikes were totally fine because the "Office of Legal Counsel looked at this very carefully."

.. I just love how there were multiple answers that said a POTUS could do despicable actions if reviewed in advance by inferior officers of the government.

It's like asking a child for permission.

Posted by: Neo at April 25, 2024 11:40 PM (RovqD)

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