Gun Thread: End of April Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving hell did it get to be the end of April Gun Thread? Next thing you know it will be the first Gun Thread of May! I am writing this earlier than my usual panicked last minute effort because someone whose initials are Weasel are heading to the farm-o on Thursday morning, and not returning home until sometime on Sunday. I'm having a second organic tree farming building constructed and need to finalize site preparations, and maybe get some shooting fundamentals practice accomplished too. Hear that? Shooting fundamentals practice.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Last week we had a homework assignment. Did you do the homework? Did you watch the short video and come to the thread tonight prepared to discuss your thoughts with the group? Completing homework comprises 35% of your Gun Thread grade, so please tell me you watched the video, because failure to complete assignments on time can result in an unfavorable note being placed into your permanent record. Below is the video.

The video is from an attorney in WA who gives the legal perspective on what you can and cannot do when your car is surrounded by a mob of peaceful protestors. Your assignment was to place yourself in the driver's situation and decide what you would have done a) without first watching lawyer-guy, and 2) what if anything you might have done differently after watching lawyer-guy.

There was also a Bonus Question: Do you know the relevant law(s) in your state? How does it differ from what was described in the video?

Rather unfortunately I think the likelihood of our seeing these situations again will only go up in the upcoming summer and fall months. I very truly believe it's a very good idea to think of these sort of scenarios, and what your reaction might be in advance. The best way to avoid a situation like this is to never get into the situation in the first place but that isn't always possible. Angry mobs can and do spring up spontaneously, and you might find yourself in the middle of one despite your best efforts otherwise.

I have one word for you all and that is situational awareness. I do not want to be overly melodramatic here, but your door locks and rolled-up windows are not going to always protect you, particularly from a determined attack. Be aware of problematic activity in your area and avoid it. Whenever you are out and about, be constantly aware of your current situation and constantly update your best avenue of escape using your own basis for threat assessments. Whenever that threat assessment goes up, use the route of escape by executing the escape plan as soon as possible. Picking up a pack of Camels and a Slim-Jim isn't worth becoming the subject of a mob's attention. The instant something seems wrong, un-ass the area as quickly as possible, and at all costs avoid what happened to the guy in the video who was boxed in with nowhere to go.

Now, on to the discussion. What do all y'all think?

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2024 NoVAMoMe

04/28/24 Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to register for the event. Have you registered? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of registration?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated opening of 2024 NoVAMoMe registration is upon us! That's right, registration for the event of the season is open, which means you can register to attend! You see, in order to attend, you must first register, and then wait for June 8th, and then attend! It's really more of an application to attend based on whether we like you or not, but what have you got to lose?!

Q: Weasel, your world frightens and confuses us. How do we, how do you say, register for the NoVAMoMe?
A: Welp, it's pretty darn easy!

First, check your calendars for June 8th, 2024, and cancel anything already planned. Good so far? Then simply send an email to WeaselBell Productions expressing your interest, then sit back and anxiously wait for a reply. Our pal and most delightful 'ette and MoMe Hostess Extraordinaire bluebell will review your application and relevant permanent record notations to decide if you're NoVAMoMe material. If you're one of the chosen, you'll get a reply with a link and secret password to the registration site containing all the pertinent details. Look these over and complete the simple registration form, following the PayPal link provided at the end of the form to make your payment. The $30 pp fee covers appetizers, dinner (BBQ Chicken, hamburdogs, sides, and dessert) plus an unlimited amount of fun! Since we must guarantee a headcount to the caterer, all registrations must be made online by May 26th. We are not accepting payment for registration at the door. You do not need a PayPal account to register and can pay with any major credit card.

A NoVAMoMe PSA from our pal bluebell

Hi folks - just a quick PSA. If you write for info about the MoMe, please give us a few words in the body of the email just so I know you are a Moron and not a spammer (moron). I do receive spam on this email account because it's sitting right here in my nic, so that's why I'm asking. I don't want to give our details to a spammer. Also, once registered, remember to check your spam folder if you don't receive a confirmation email.
Thanks.
bluebell

Seriously, just send an email, go to the site with the password provided, fill out the simple form, and make your payment. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
Due to popular demand, we are again conducting a separate raffle for a Dream Date with Weasel This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo!

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!

Q: Weasel, anything else for 2024?
A: Why I'm glad you asked! There are in fact TWO things to mention for 2024.

First, we are again having a pre-party get-together the afternoon/evening before the main event. Details at the registration site.

Dos, we are again offering a NoVAMoMe commemorative mug for 2024 available only to NoVAMoMe participants!

We sincerely hope you can join the festivities. I promise you this event is as laid back and non-anxiety inducing as humanly possible, and nothing makes me happier than to meet new people who have been reluctant to join in the past. If sitting on the sidelines and just observing is your thing, you can do just that with zero pressure from anyone. I hope some of the past NoVAMoMe participants will jump in and share their thoughts on the event to inspire the scairdy-cat lurkers out there to throw caution to the wind and sign up!

That's it, people. Email WeaselBell Productions today!

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Range Report
First up our pal Blake shares the details of a competition range trip!

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There are targets out there somewhere!

Saturday, March 23, I made it to my second silhouette match. But, the day before, I hit the range to check the zero stop I'd recently set up on my scope and practice that which Weaselsan Gunsei mentioned the previous week: fundamentals. (zero stop was spot on)
The first couple of shots were just bad, on my part, then I finally got settled in and put three shots in two holes. After that, I lost it for a shot, put one just high and left, settled back in and put another shot touching the first three.
From there, I moved to some different ammo and put three shots in basically two holes, show in the upper left target. (the ammo is some custom ammo I purchased for use in our local 1,000 yard match. I think it passes muster)
Now, on to the silhouette match: I first shot this match 3 months ago or so and didn't do all that well, which is to be expected. The match consists of 5 half size silhouettes at 200. 300, 400 and 500 meters for a total of 20 possible points. These are not big targets. The turkeys at 200 meters, are maybe 6" tall x 4" wide. The rams, at 500 meters are 6" tall but a bit wider, maybe 10". And it's not enough to just hit a target. The target needs to be knocked completely off the rail they are standing on. One thing I did have in my favor was my range book. In the course of my first match I noted the appropriate MOA elevation adjustment for each distance, which turned out to be spot on. Anyway, after everything was said and done, I went 5 for 5 and 200 and 400 meters, 4 for 5 at 500 meters. Unfortunately, 300 meters had me for lunch and I only got 2 out of 5. Drat.
One thing which caught be off guard was my new bipod. It turns out it was a bit taller than the previous one I had and my rear bag couldn't make up the height enough to bring the muzzle down on to the target. Now, I could have adjusted by moving the legs on the bipod to the forward 45 degree angle, but, I decided against it because I've never used or practiced with that set up. Instead, I used my hand on the bag to get the rifle high enough to be on target. Which was another lesson learned and necessitates further practice trips to the range.

Darn.

This, people, is how you become a better shooter. Very nicely done Blake!

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What to Do
After a self-defense shooting.

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Buy Ammo

Georgia Arms is having a sale: 10% off storewide and free shipping on orders more than $250.

Sounds like a deal to me.

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Fundamentals Study Topic
How to Hold a Pistol While Wearing a 40mm Rolex GMT Master! Carefully, people. Carefully!

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Dr. Frank Baxter!

It's about time we had some Dr. Frank!

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Jules Verne's From the Earth to the Moon!

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Musical Interlude
Here is John Paul Jones on the lap steel with When the Levee Breaks

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! Here is another installment in the "finding the perfect carry gun" series.

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Cigar of the Week

This week our pal Diogenes scores with this excellent review of the La Gloria Cubana Classic

The first thing you notice about this cigar is how hard it is to the touch, it felt almost like a cardboard tube. That always makes me wonder if it is going to be a difficult cigar to smoke, hard to draw and hard to keep lit. Not the case here. The Classic has an Ecuadoran Sumatra wrapper, a Nicaraguan binder plus a Dominican/Nicaraguan filler. Their web site calls this a medium bodied cigar and I concur. I found it to be a pleasant smoke with a spicy start followed by flavors of chocolate and leather. The middle third provided a very smooth and relaxing tobacco flavor. The cedar finish is noteworthy and very pleasant. Cigar Aficionado gives it a very respectable 92 rating. I liked this cigar. Nothing fancy, nothing outrageous. Just a good peasant smoke and depending on where you shop, a reasonable value.

Excellent, Diogenes! Thank you very mucho!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal ShortBusRider. Will you look at that smile!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

2 Here!

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 07:01 PM (HDGM5)

3 I willowed the food thread. Oh well. The margarita I just finished was fabulous.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 28, 2024 07:01 PM (2NHgQ)

4 Yah!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:01 PM (aD39U)

5 Good evening horde! Congrats Blake! Well done.

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 07:01 PM (IQ6Gq)

6 Woohoo!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 28, 2024 07:02 PM (W/lyH)

7 She is way to young for a crew size weapon

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2024 07:02 PM (fwDg9)

8 A: "We have no large rifle primers."

Jeopardy Q: What does a LGS employee get asked the most?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 28, 2024 07:03 PM (WNIIx)

9 Whew!
All youse hordemates who went overboard on the beans in the last thread, please stand downwind.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 28, 2024 07:03 PM (W/lyH)

10 I am so itching to try my home made black powder, just no place easy to try it.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2024 07:03 PM (fwDg9)

11 Durn, skip.
Burgers coming off grill, but I’ll be back.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 07:04 PM (HDGM5)

12 New to me rifle this week. I found a sporterized 1903A3 with an unmolested barrel for $329. I have box of 03 military parts and a new C stock so I mated all together and have a 03A4-gery now. Wrong scope obviously (and old Banner II 3x-9x which will stay on it for a while).

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:04 PM (aD39U)

13 Nice shooting, blake!

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 07:05 PM (HDGM5)

14 Weasel, your tractor thanks you.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 07:06 PM (LfcYE)

15 I was pleased.to see that I was mostly in compliance with the attorney's advice in the homework. Weasel is wise...it could very much come down to situational awareness. If you get in that mess, forget about the damage to the car. It's gonna happen. Now, keep your wits and work your way out.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 28, 2024 07:08 PM (W/lyH)

16 How to Hold a Pistol While Wearing a 40mm Rolex GMT Master!

Would any self-respecting GT Commentator want to be seen by range babes wearing such a non-girthy watch?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 28, 2024 07:08 PM (2+Ukn)

17 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 07:09 PM (yRXSd)

18 The Spawn had her State Competition last weekend. She put up some pretty good times.
She has put so many rounds through her competition pistol it literally fell apart when she was have a fun competition on the dueling tree last week. We sent the upper back to the manufacturer last Tuesday and they already have a replacement in the mail.
We are now taking donations to fund her Nationals trip in July. 😎🤗

Posted by: lin-duh at April 28, 2024 07:10 PM (d2Zdq)

19 Saw Led Zeppelin twice within 2 weeks.
Thanks for clip Weasel

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2024 07:10 PM (fwDg9)

20 Howdy Ed L. Howdy all!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:10 PM (JwHpX)

21 lin-duh, count me in.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 07:11 PM (LfcYE)

22 When we moved from the North to SC in early summer 2021, we drove down I-95 from CT to mid-VA and got off to avoid Richmond.

Richmond used to be a must-visit attraction, but with the BLM festivities unimpeded by the police, we said "fuuuuuck that."

Will never visit NYC, DC, Shitcago or Philly again, ever. They are foreign lands from my memories.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at April 28, 2024 07:12 PM (wBaIH)

23 Time to eat, be back later.

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 07:12 PM (DXbAa)

24 Afternoon, Gun Thread peeps! Lurker Osprey and myself had a productive afternoon yesterday adding incremental %age to an 80% lower for his pending AR15 build. My little mini-mill did fine at drilling a mess of 1/8" holes in aluminum, although chip clearance was an issue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2024 07:13 PM (8zz6B)

25 The homework assignment depends on what State you live in. There are basically two kinds of States in these United States at this point.....Free States and Slave States.

If you live in a blue State you are living in a slave state and you are a subject to the whims of the King of that State. If you try to exercise your constitutional right of freedom of travel you will be punished as the State sees fit.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 07:14 PM (QNSds)

26 Greetings Weasel and Horde.
Thanks for the gun thread. I ran across an oddity recently.
The Seattle cops had done a drug bust, for a change. Weapons seized included a, "Bow Gun". Curious, I looked into this thing since it wasn't a crossbow. It's an air rifle that propels a crossbow bolt. Not cheap either. The bolts are hollow and you select the tip for it yourself. Amazon sells them as does Cabela's on line. The usually well versed guys at my local one had never heard of these things.
Has anyone encountered one of these in the wild?

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, McFailure wing of the Uniparty at April 28, 2024 07:16 PM (Zlkmi)

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Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 07:14 PM (QNSds)
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The bonus question was whether you know the laws in your state.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:16 PM (JwHpX)

28 Hello Weasel, and greetings to all the horde...

Wow, Blake, that is mighty impressive. Even your "not so decent fundamentals." Congrats!

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 07:16 PM (IQ6Gq)

29 Howdy Grateful!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM (JwHpX)

30 FIRST!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM (f0/sc)

31 * waves to Grateful and TRex*

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM (LfcYE)

32 Howdy, all!

Our homework assignment reinforced my aversion to large cities with their ubiquitous peaceful protests. I much prefer living where two vehicles reaching a 4-way stop simultaneously constitute a traffic jam, and the only demonstration to be encountered is the local 4H club having a car wash.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM (3rnQf)

33 I did some shooting this weekend with my H&K VP9 with a red dot. It is a few years old, so it doesn't have the factory cutout for the red dot. That means it sits higher on the slide and I can't co-witness.

I tried some speed drills (nothing crazy) and found that I was so distracted by trying to find the red dot that I lost trigger discipline and fired low enough that I immediately stopped.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM (d9fT1)

34 Range Report:
I found it! The node for my reload of .308, that is.
A respectable .850 from a gas gun. Loads on either side were 1.2 and 1.4”
Weird thing is the bad loads were single digit standard deviation and teens for extreme spread.
The magic load was 24 SD and 36 ES.
168 grain Sierra Match King, XX.X grains Varget, Winchester LRP.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 07:19 PM (HDGM5)

35 Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!

I went to the range yesterday AND today. Practicing FUNdamentals.

Gubby goodness to come.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 07:22 PM (IFNME)

36 Greetings everyone.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 28, 2024 07:22 PM (CHHv1)

37 Range time? Yes indeed. But for the first time ever, went to an outdoor range rather than our usual indoor range. So, now the outdoor range is my favorite due to the natural lighting. Soooo much easier to use the iron sights. Thus, if I ever need to use my gub I hope it's an outdoor situation. Continued working on those fundamentals Weasel focuses on...and what do you know? Made some significant progress this week. I'm even starting to really like this!

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 07:22 PM (IQ6Gq)

38 Nice shooting there Blake. Will you be making the targets cry in October at the MoMe? ;-)

Weasel, love the John Paul Jones clip. Just the other week I was watching a YT video about the lap steel guitar and how to play. Fascinating instrument.

lin-duh, love hearing how Spawn is really getting into the sport. I assume she loves the handgun more than the long gun right now.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 07:23 PM (f0/sc)

39 I usually plan my day on where, when and how I am going places, doing the routes in my head and alternate routes if need be due to accidents, illegal police checkpoints or possible Mau Mau action. I also tend to my business quietly will avoiding any large crowds, gatherings or dirty hippies rushing to some concert by some has been musicians. Like the man said, "Situational Awareness" 24/7. It may save your life one day.

If you do get stuck with a rampaging crowd, you can pretend to blend in or hide but if your in a vehicle my advice is to do what you have to do and worry about the law later.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 07:24 PM (R/m4+)

40 The bonus question was whether you know the laws in your state.
Posted by: Weasel

You should file a restraining order against yourself.

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:24 PM (RjBju)

41 Hi Weasel!

I did my homework.

Since I live and work in a blue city, I am constantly aware of people around me. When I drive, I am looking for anything unusual. I would NEVER drive in some areas of town.

May 1st is MayDay, usually open season for disrupting traffic downtown. Unfortunately, it's also my day to work at our northern location, forcing me to drive through the city. Getting to work will not be an issue. Getting home makes me nervous.

I am not afraid to push someone out of my way, with my car, who is trying to make me stop. I will not be bullied.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 07:24 PM (NY5LD)

42 I tried some speed drills (nothing crazy) and found that I was so distracted by trying to find the red dot that I lost trigger discipline and fired low enough that I immediately stopped.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM (d9fT1)

Yes I have moved off my dots on everything stance and it now reads: dots on everything made for dots.

The adapter plates do work but I have become dis-enamored of them.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 07:26 PM (IFNME)

43 We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox.
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Be careful or people will think your date is actually courting!

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 28, 2024 07:26 PM (vtyCZ)

44 Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 07:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Nicely done!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:26 PM (JwHpX)

45 31 * waves to Grateful and TRex*

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM
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We're on hugging terms. *hugs* Good to virtually see you.

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

46 Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:24 PM (RjBju)
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You know, I've heard that somewhere before!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:27 PM (JwHpX)

47 Going to the range yesterday and today seriously depleted the ammo in our lager. Think I will probably take advantage of that Georgia Arms sale....

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 07:27 PM (IFNME)

48 33 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM

I really think that if a gun was not built to accept a red dot you should not mount one.
Unless you have the skill necessary to cut away the section of the slide where one would put the red dot.

Just my 10 cents worth ( adjusted for Bidenomics)

Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 07:28 PM (f0/sc)

49 For handguns dots are the way to go, but you have to train or you are bot going to be any good.

Easy to train getting the dot to the target at home.

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:28 PM (RjBju)

50 You know, I've heard that somewhere before!
Posted by: Weasel

It was definitely a wtf moment when I read that.

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:29 PM (RjBju)

51 Haven't been through Richmond since we'll before BLM riots, but have always driven straight through Richmond on I95 without a problem

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2024 07:29 PM (fwDg9)

52 Darn! The IMFDB, Internet Movie Firearms Database doesn't have an Earth to the Moon entry!

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 28, 2024 07:30 PM (vtyCZ)

53 Those young jackasses must be so proud. From what I could tell, the driver of the vehicle they were harassing was not in his first, or even his second, youth.

In the jurisdiction where that incident took place, right now, one is going to jail if they start shooting.

I'm not going to say anything further, because, well, it wouldn't be prudent.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 07:30 PM (tT6L1)

54 It was definitely a wtf moment when I read that.
Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:29 PM (RjBju)
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Small world!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:31 PM (JwHpX)

55 --
Small world!
Posted by: Weasel

Indeed!

It would seem the intwrnets are not as big as we thought they were

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:32 PM (RjBju)

56 Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 07:24 PM (NY5LD)
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Howdy and thanks for turning in your homework, nurse!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:32 PM (JwHpX)

57 Thanks again for the thread, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)

58 I really need to comment on this particular group of morons. I had never fired a gub in my life, and when we finally got out of LA County, CA I swore I would learn how to. The people I have met have been so very generous with their time, experience, advice, and equipment. And then there are those who will take the time to seriously meet you where you are at in your journey...they listen to what you say, and when you express having a problem with something, will stop you, explore that, and help you find a solution. They will realize when you are attempting something for the first time that a verbal explanation may not be enough, and provide you a visual learning example. Who will center your focus on what is important and what is not. For this, and for so much more, mere words of thanks seem insufficient. But I am not a person who forgets kindness, and will readily pay it back one day

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 07:33 PM (IQ6Gq)

59 19 Saw Led Zeppelin twice within 2 weeks.

Well, if you'd fixed their fridge properly the first time...

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 28, 2024 07:34 PM (CHHv1)

60 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and dog-ate-my-homework contrite greetings to our host Weasel.

I would probably have tried reversing out of the situation in which the elderly gent found himself enmeshed, but in all case I'd keep moving. Stopping just invites them to break your windows and pull you out of the car.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 28, 2024 07:34 PM (v23vE)

61 28, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)

58 I really need to comment on this particular group of morons. I had never fired a gub in my life, and when we finally got out of LA County, CA I swore I would learn how to. The people I have met have been so very generous with their time, experience, advice, and equipment. And then there are those who will take the time to seriously meet you where you are at in your journey...they listen to what you say, and when you express having a problem with something, will stop you, explore that, and help you find a solution. They will realize when you are attempting something for the first time that a verbal explanation may not be enough, and provide you a visual learning example. Who will center your focus on what is important and what is not. For this, and for so much more, mere words of thanks seem insufficient. But I am not a person who forgets kindness, and will readily pay it back one day
Posted by: Grate

Guns are only a small part of robbing banks

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:34 PM (RjBju)

62 I wish I knew more about guns.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 28, 2024 07:34 PM (ENQN6)

63 No range report and I did not do my homework.

I am in the same situation the nurse ratched is in, work in a large BLUE city (NYC) but live in one of the safer boroughs.
I am required to go into the office 3 days a week. When I do I am always keeping my head on a swivel. And thankfully, I have not taken the subway for any reason for quite a few years. Want to keep that trend going

It is possible for me to get a conceal carry thanks to NYSRPC vs Bruen, but in NYC one of the things they want now is all my social media ID's. I will never give government permission to poke around in my postings.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 07:35 PM (f0/sc)

64 Hi Grateful!

If your prime motivation for becoming a firearm owner is to use one for self defense, I encourage you to also take your EMPTY pistol and practice around the corners and hallways in your home leading to the front door. Or back door. Practice going around a corner and raising your firearm. Is there a kitchen island you can scoot around? How about stairs?

I have also practiced at the range in low light. Meaning, I don't turn on the light at the station and I wear sunglasses. I can still see, of course, but low light is something to adjust to.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 07:35 PM (v3rPo)

65 The Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus had their annual rally at the State Capitol Saturday. Many of the Minnesota gun owners disagree with the new state ruling that says guns kept in your car can be considered carrying in public.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 28, 2024 07:36 PM (ENQN6)

66 Bonus answer: We would never have anything nasty happen in Ohio, because ORC Section 3761.12 doesn't allow it:

No person shall unite with two or more others to commit a misdemeanor while wearing white caps, masks, or other disguise.

Take that, Andy and Brandy Tifa!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 28, 2024 07:37 PM (v23vE)

67 A little while ago I said make sure to buy mags and said that one of the pain points of owning Sigs is that they want $50 ea for their mags and you just have to live with that.

So someone (who will gratefully remain unnamed) told me about their online gun shop that had some P320 mags for half price. Sure enough it was a deal.

Another funny thing that Sig has done with the P320 line - they have a zillion models to appeal to whatever you want - and they have ingeniously made two different sorts of magazines - one is compatible with one type of grip module, and one is compatible with a different type of grip module (one mag has a flat floorplate, one has a floorplate with "wings"). My P320 has the wing type. Guess what the half price mags did not have?

That's on me - BUT life is not all bad. I wanted a flared magwell for the P320 because it is my "competition" gun and its just as expensive to put a flared magwell on it as it is to put a Wilson Combat grip module on. So I got the new grip module (cause Wilson Combat!) and it works with the half -price Legion Mags with the flat floorplate. So win-win!

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 07:37 PM (IFNME)

68 Scoob gets an F in homework.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:37 PM (JwHpX)

69 It is possible for me to get a conceal carry thanks to NYSRPC vs Bruen, but in NYC one of the things they want now is all my social media ID's. I will never give government permission to poke around in my postings.
Posted by: S

Never ever brbd the knee. Besides you are going to move out of staye

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:38 PM (RjBju)

70 nurse, you just brought up a most important point. Lighting. A red dot in dark conditions is much different than daylight. Situational awareness also encompasses hearing

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 07:39 PM (LfcYE)

71 68 Scoob gets an F in homework.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:37 PM

Story of my life........sigh

Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 07:39 PM (f0/sc)

72 Hi fellow gun enthusiasts

Kind of tired tonight so not sure how long I will stay but wanted again to remind everyone that if you are coming to the NoVaMoMe and want to shoot with the MGC on Sunday, send me an email.
Had a bit of a disappointment yesterday. Blaster was kind enough to install the Holosun on my new Glock48mos. The sight is fantastic and very accurate but the Glock kept stovepiping. No matter what ammo we tried it kept happening. Blaster has been working on it and hopefully will figure out what is wrong but I only got to shoot a few rounds.
The bright spot was a surpressed rifle that Ed brought and was a dream to shoot.
He can give the details as I should probably write stuff down being 29 and all.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 07:40 PM (t/2Uw)

73 It is possible for me to get a conceal carry thanks to NYSRPC vs Bruen, but in NYC one of the things they want now is all my social media ID's. I will never give government permission to poke around in my postings.

Is that being challenged? It certainly should be since the only possible reason for it is to make a subjective judgement of "fitness" which, if I understand correctly, Bruen explicitly forbids.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)

74 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

militia /mə-lĭsh′ə/
noun
An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.
A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 28, 2024 07:41 PM (ENQN6)

75 64/ Thanks Nurse, that is outstandingly smart advice. And I will start that this week.

Hope your week goes well, and you stay safe.

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 07:41 PM (IQ6Gq)

76 By the way, I got a surprise from Kimber this last week. I purchased a Kimber KDS9c a three weeks ago or so, and, because my purchase fell within a certain date range, Kimber is sending me two more magazines and some extra grippy grips.

Cannot complain, at all.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)

77 The Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus had their annual rally at the State Capitol Saturday. Many of the Minnesota gun owners disagree with the new state ruling that says guns kept in your car can be considered carrying in public.
Posted by: rhennigantx

But you can still carry it offbody, like in the box in came from the factory in, and presumably put into the car the ferry it home?
Or do you have to put it on the dashboard now so it's not conceiled?

/snark, everyone knows they are trying a general ban...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 28, 2024 07:42 PM (cOq4q)

78 Fortunately, where I currently live, a mob surrounding some cars would get lit up in a hurry.

A good 35% of the people in this area carry at all times.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 07:43 PM (tT6L1)

79 The sight is fantastic and very accurate but the Glock kept stovepiping. No matter what ammo we tried it kept happening.

Perhaps because you've changed the mass of the slide? I would have thought Glock would have made the tolerances wide enough to account for it since it is the MOS model after all. You may need to switch to a lighter recoil spring.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 07:44 PM (/y8xj)

80 Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:24 PM (RjBju)

Situational awareness was in full play in 1992, as I lived and worked in LA during the riots. Working nights at the VA. Unbelievable times, which I hope never to experience again.

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 07:44 PM (IQ6Gq)

81 73 Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 07:40 PM

I do not think it is being challenged yet. Remember, NYS went out of its way to not follow the ruling with their updated conceal carry license scheme. Tried to make virtually the entire State a "sensative location"

NYC is almost as bad as they do not follow NYS laws and make up their own

Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 07:45 PM (f0/sc)

82 I wish I knew more about guns.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 28, 2024 07:34 PM (ENQN6)

Start collecting and you can be as boring as a stamp or coin collector. You have to learn when people's eyes start glazing over that you have gone too deep into the variants of a particular weapon.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:46 PM (aD39U)

83 RI Red, grateful, Trex Scuba, thank you for the compliment.

Mega thanks goes to Weasel, though, for his insights when I've had question about stuff.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 07:46 PM (tT6L1)

84 Glock48mos. The sight is fantastic and very accurate but the Glock kept stovepiping. No matter what ammo we tried

Stock mags?

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:46 PM (RjBju)

85 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 07:40 PM (t/2Uw)
---
Concentrate on locking your wrists.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:46 PM (JwHpX)

86 Signing up for and participating in IDPA is also very helpful. Moving with a pistol and having a sense of urgency, gives the tiniest hint of what actual stress under the pressure of a home invasion would be.

You have to move, safely, turn, aim, shoot and move again. Your heart is thumping and your ears are ringing (even with protection). It doesn't matter if you are the slowest person on the course. Point is, you did it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 07:46 PM (CPhFx)

87 Ooh, ooh, dream Weasel
I believe you can get me through the fight
Ooh, ooh, dream Weasel
I believe we can make my grouping tight

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 28, 2024 07:47 PM (vtyCZ)

88 I carry to lock my gate at night. I carry the shotgun so any body driving by gets a warning. Ignore the dog, beware of the owner

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 07:47 PM (LfcYE)

89 Remember, NYS went out of its way to not follow the ruling with their updated conceal carry license scheme. Tried to make virtually the entire State a "sensative location"

Yeah, it's the old "And how many divisions has the Supreme Court?" problem. Under a President Bob, they would have a few.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 07:48 PM (/y8xj)

90 Situational awareness was in full play in 1992, as I lived and worked in LA during the riots. Working nights at the VA. Unbelievable times, which I hope never to experience again.
Posted by: Gr

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:48 PM (RjBju)

91 Point is, you did it.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 07:46 PM (CPhFx)
---------------

doesn't matter if you've been shooting IDPA for a while, either. First stage when that buzzer goes off the adrenaline dump still gets you.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 07:48 PM (tT6L1)

92 87 Ooh, ooh, dream Weasel
I believe you can get me through the fight
Ooh, ooh, dream Weasel
I believe we can make my grouping tight

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 28, 2024 07:47 PM

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL There is an ear worm for ya!!!!!

Nice on andycanuck!

Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 07:49 PM (f0/sc)

93 Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 28, 2024 07:47 PM (vtyCZ)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 07:49 PM (JwHpX)

94 Sharon,
I believe you are limp wristing.

My G42 will do the same thing if I am not locking my wrist and gripping tightly.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 07:49 PM (CPhFx)

95 A little gunsmithing question for the assembled Gun-horde. As swa mentioned above her G48 has a little trouble. Everybody says about Glocks "well they just work" and this little guy just doesn't. Since the Holosun was just added that became a possible culprit and we considered new springs etc. but it is now ruled out. The reason why the gun isn't extracting right is that the extractor has something wrong with it (I know this seems, err, fundamental, but there it is.)

Here is what I can see without any disassembly beyond field strip - the extractor which is an itty bitty piece of metal on the breech block is loose. Looking at other Glocks, there is a rod in the slide that pushes against the extractor, I take it that this rod is spring loaded as the extractor has to move to extract. On swa's pistol there is a gap between the rod and the extractor and when the slide is back the extractor moves freely. This is definitely not the way it should be.

I am thinking maybe the rod needs lube (hey this is a family gun thread!) - hoping that it is just that simple. Anyone ever seen this? It is decidedly un-Glocklike.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 07:49 PM (IFNME)

96 Ben Had, hugs to you! I will be sending you an email this week, as TX is just around the corner!

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 07:49 PM (IQ6Gq)

97 Situational awareness was in full play in 1992, as I lived and worked in LA during the riots. Working nights at the VA. Unbelievable times, which I hope never to experience again.
Posted by: Gr

If I did hate then I would hate minnesota more than illinois nazis

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:50 PM (RjBju)

98 Minor range report: I headed out with the trusty rifle to see if I could figure out where things went south the preceding week. Unfortunately, the weather didn't cooperate so I was unable to really do any serious work with the rifle. I decided to skip the match the next day, which really hurt, because, naturally, it was perfect shooting weather.

Ah well, I managed to complete a small project for the lovely Mrs. Blake, so, Saturday wasn't a complete waste.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 07:51 PM (tT6L1)

99 Andy, hah!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 07:52 PM (tT6L1)

100 100!

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 07:52 PM (IQ6Gq)

101 Blake,
You are the bee's knees. I really hope you are in TX this fall.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 07:52 PM (CPhFx)

102 Re the glock, which holosun did you go with?

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:53 PM (RjBju)

103 I am thinking maybe the rod needs lube (hey this is a family gun thread!) - hoping that it is just that simple. Anyone ever seen this? It is decidedly un-Glocklike.

I have not personally seen that but anything is possible. I would say disassemble the slide (I'm sure there are Youtube vids) check for a broken spring and clean out the hole in the plunger rides in. Put a drop of lube on the plunger when you reassemble. And yes, it is un-Glocklike. If you don't get an easy fix, call their customer support.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 07:53 PM (/y8xj)

104 Sharon,
I believe you are limp wristing.

My G42 will do the same thing if I am not locking my wrist and gripping tightly.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 07:49 PM

Agree. That exact same thing happened with my wife when we got the Glock 42 just as they came out. She was the first to shoot it and was constantly experiencing stovepipes. I thought, OK here we go all of those articles I read about the G42 being garbage were correct.

I loaded two mags and fired them off without a hitch. Once we changed her grip she never had a problem again.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 07:53 PM (QNSds)

105 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 07:40 PM (t/2Uw)

Sharon, that rifle was the B&T SPR 300 PRO. This is an integrally suppressed bolt action rifle chambered in .300 Blackout. B&T claims that when using subsonic ammo, this is the quietest centerfire rifle in the world. Those of us on the outdoor range would agree that if it isn't the quietest, it's right at the top of the heap. At 100 yards, the impacts of the bullets on steel drown out the noise of the shot, which is about the same as a BB gun. If you've got the cash and time for the paperwork for two NFA stamps (SBR and suppressor), this is definitely something worth looking into. I think it's nice for rifle newbies because you don't need hearing protection to shoot the rifle. There's no muzzle flash, and the recoil is very controllable.

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 07:53 PM (yRXSd)

106 Perhaps because you've changed the mass of the slide? I would have thought Glock would have made the tolerances wide enough to account for it since it is the MOS model after all. You may need to switch to a lighter recoil spring.

Posted by: Oddbob

It was especially frustrating because this Holoson MRS Carry is made specifically for the G48mos, G43x mos and Hellcat models. Your suggestion did come up and I happen to have a lighter spring because I changed the spring in my old G48. However Blaster thinks he's found an issue unrelated to the sight so still working on it.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 07:54 PM (t/2Uw)

107 I hate Illinois Nazis.

Posted by: Jake Elwood at April 28, 2024 07:54 PM (IQ6Gq)

108 We also ruled out limp wristing. This was the first thing we said to Sharon and the gun behaved the same for me and my wrists aren't limp (SHUT IT!)

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 07:54 PM (IFNME)

109 107 I hate Illinois Nazis.
Posted by: J

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:55 PM (RjBju)

110 Have any of you morons ever sold a pew pew thru guns.com?

I sent them a pic of a gun I'm wanting to sell and they sent me a laughable offer.

I was pretty taken aback by how low their offer was. I get they need to make money off the deal but they low-balled the shiz out of it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 28, 2024 07:55 PM (rJ7Hd)

111 Have you removed the holosun and had the same stovepiping?

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:56 PM (RjBju)

112 It is not limp wristing because it happened no matter who was shooting it. I have been shooting a G48 all along and have shot this gun before the sight was attached wthout a problem.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 07:56 PM (t/2Uw)

113 I have not personally seen that but anything is possible. I would say disassemble the slide (I'm sure there are Youtube vids) check for a broken spring and clean out the hole in the plunger rides in. Put a drop of lube on the plunger when you reassemble. And yes, it is un-Glocklike. If you don't get an easy fix, call their customer support.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 07:53 PM (/y8xj)

I are an engineer but not a gunsmith and its not my gun so I don't want to get too deep into the workings of the gun - if it isn't readily solvable with some lube I recommend swa send it back to Glock.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 07:57 PM (IFNME)

114 They told you
@lecternleader
“stole” the lectern.

They had the footage that proved he didn’t.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 28, 2024 07:57 PM (ENQN6)

115 It is not limp wristing because it happened no matter who was shooting it. I have been shooting a G48 all along and have shot this gun before the sight was attached wthout a problem.
Posted by: s

Which holosun?

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM (RjBju)

116 Has there been any discussion of the ATF making private party sales effectively illegal starting May 11th?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM (aD39U)

117 I was pretty taken aback by how low their offer was. I get they need to make money off the deal but they low-balled the shiz out of it.

Except for a relatively limited number of particularly desirable collectables, we are mostly fooling ourselves when we think our guns are "investments." You might consider either selling it person-to-person locally or try Gunbroker.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM (/y8xj)

118 116 Has there been any discussion of the ATF making private party sales effectively illegal starting May 11th?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM (aD39U

No, but I'd like to. Insane.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 28, 2024 07:59 PM (3CVIc)

119 No, but I'd like to. Insane.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 28, 2024 07:59 PM (3CVIc)

Indeed. Even selling you weapon to an FFL can get you ten years in the slam.

Madness.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:00 PM (aD39U)

120 The Holosun MRS Carry green dot made specifically for the G48MOS, G43xMOS and the Hellcat.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:00 PM (t/2Uw)

121 Posted by: blaster

*types*
*considers Sra Blaster's accuracy *
*deletes*

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 08:00 PM (8UU5N)

122 Better hot the hay.
Hope everyone has a great evening

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2024 08:01 PM (fwDg9)

123 For those who haven't read all the comments - the issue with the G48 not extracting correctly is with the extractor - it clearly has some defect as the extractor is wiggly when the slide is locked back.

Hopefully its something easy. It was disappointing to see a nice setup (well if lavender is your color) not working.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:01 PM (IFNME)

124 Thanks, Nurse. The only thing, I think, that might keep me from TX is the eye surgery my wife is getting this year. If the surgery happens well before TX or after, attending TX shouldn't be an issue.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 08:01 PM (tT6L1)

125 Sharon, have you ever thought about trying a revolver?

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 08:01 PM (LfcYE)

126 Has there been any discussion of the ATF making private party sales effectively illegal starting May 11th?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM (aD39U

How in the world do they think they're going to enforce it?

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 28, 2024 08:01 PM (3rnQf)

127 Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 07:49 PM (IFNME)

That lines up with what I saw with the gas patterns on the stove piped casings that I picked up off the ground after you cleared the jam. Shouldn't there be some play in the extractor? It has to grab the cartridge rim, after all. But I'm not convinced that extractor looseness is a good thing.

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 08:01 PM (yRXSd)

128 Hi Ben Had!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 08:03 PM (tT6L1)

129 Calling it an evening. Thanks for everything Weasel.

Sharon, hope it is a quick fix for your Glock and you are soon back at the range making the targets shudder.

Night everyone, have a great week!!

Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 08:04 PM (f0/sc)

130 How in the world do they think they're going to enforce it?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 28, 2024 08:01 PM (3rnQf)

With enthusiasm, I fear.

Thanks to John Cornyn, btw. He sponsored the bill the ATF is "interpreting".

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:04 PM (aD39U)

131 Has there been any discussion of the ATF making private party sales effectively illegal starting May 11th?

Thank you, John Cornyn. Per a video I watched (maybe Wm Kirk, the guy in the car video above) one of the things that AFT will use to "presume" that you're a dealer and not just selling off a private collection is if you sell multiple of the same model and caliber of gun. What would you call someone who owns more than one of a particular model of gun? Oh right, a collector.[/c]

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:04 PM (/y8xj)

132 /c? Stupid fingers.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:04 PM (/y8xj)

133 Texas can do way better than John Cornyn.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:05 PM (aD39U)

134 Blake, love your report, and nice shootin'. Your "not so decent" is my "effing awesome."

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 28, 2024 08:05 PM (wQXfi)

135 It is under warranty. It is almost brand new. It's just I was so psyched. The G48 model is MY gun. Every time I pick it up I hit the target.It fits my hand perfectly. I had seen this green dot at a Gun show and have been lusting after it ever since. I could not put it on my G48 because it was just didn;t make sense so I bought this model. You can imagine hwo diappointing it was when a model that performed every time I picked it up did something my old model never did.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:05 PM (t/2Uw)

136 Well, time to wander.

Later!

Thanks again, weasel, for everything!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2024 08:05 PM (tT6L1)

137 Have any of you morons ever sold a pew pew thru guns.com?
I sent them a pic of a gun I'm wanting to sell and they sent me a laughable offer.
I was pretty taken aback by how low their offer was. I get they need to make money off the deal but they low-balled the shiz out of it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 28, 2024 07:55 PM (rJ7Hd)

Negative...They do move a lot of weapons so I would imagine they buy low.

I have used Gunbroker and GunSpot to much success though the years for selling. You can research other sellers and see what they are asking and why and then decide where your weapon fits in in comparison for a selling price.

Here is GunSpot's link...https://gunspot.com/

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 08:06 PM (R/m4+)

138 blake, hugs to you and hope you are well. May all the stars align so we have you in October.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 08:06 PM (LfcYE)

139 Adios blake!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 08:06 PM (JwHpX)

140 Screw is hitting ejector spring

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:06 PM (RjBju)

141 That lines up with what I saw with the gas patterns on the stove piped casings that I picked up off the ground after you cleared the jam. Shouldn't there be some play in the extractor? It has to grab the cartridge rim, after all. But I'm not convinced that extractor looseness is a good thing.
Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 08:01 PM (yRXSd)

Yes your observation on the casings was a good one. I can see working the slide that sometimes the extractor sticks out and sometimes it correctly seats. My guess would be that when the extractor sticks out there isn't a good seal on the chamber and that leads to the burn marks on the casing. But when the extractor seats correctly it ejects correctly and no burn marks.

The rod that butts up against the extractor would hold in place all the time and it is not doing that now.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:06 PM (IFNME)

142 Has there been any discussion of the ATF making private party sales effectively illegal starting May 11th?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM

That rule will be put on hold once it appears in the Federal register. GOA has already said they will challenge it and they have a very strong case for it to be over turned based on the heller decision. Historically citizens have never been mandated to *get permission* to sell their personal firearms.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 08:06 PM (QNSds)

143 Sharon, have you ever thought about trying a revolver?

Or a muzzle loader? Maybe a heavy stick?

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:08 PM (RjBju)

144 How in the world do they think they're going to enforce it?[/i

Beats us.

Randy Weaver, David Koresh, Bryan Malinowsky.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:08 PM (/y8xj)

145 Good evening to all and thank you Weasel!

Posted by: Coelacanth at April 28, 2024 08:08 PM (ELycN)

146 I worry that I am a prime candidate for a visit from the ATF having more than once purchased multiple examples of the same weapon. If they sift records I might look like a gun smuggler.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:09 PM (aD39U)

147 Here is GunSpot's link...https://gunspot.com/
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 08:06 PM (R/m4

Thanks! I will check them out.

They wanted to give me 800 for a retail 1600
Dollar gun that's never been fired.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 28, 2024 08:09 PM (3CVIc)

148 Crap, three tag fails in a row. Time out for me.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:09 PM (/y8xj)

149 Posted by: Coelacanth at April 28, 2024 08:08 PM (ELycN)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 08:09 PM (JwHpX)

150 How in the world do they think they're going to enforce it?[/i

You go first

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:09 PM (RjBju)

151 Looking at a diagram of Glock slide parts, there is an extractor depressor plunger and an extractor depressor plunger spring. I am sure that is the "rod" that butts up against the extractor and it is spring loaded as I suspected.

Someone upthread suggested it might be a broken spring and could be but I hope it isn't. I am hoping it's just some crud in there binding it up.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:10 PM (IFNME)

152 Ben Had, I like shooting revolvers just fine but I really like my Glock. I also like rifles. I also have a Kimber that I love to shoot but like Nurse has found what she is most comfortable shooting, that is how I feel about the Glock.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:11 PM (t/2Uw)

153 The Armed Attorneys on Youtube dedicated three videos to having Emily's bodacious tatas explain the potential for abuse of the new rule.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM (aD39U)

154 146 I worry that I am a prime candidate for a visit from the ATF having more than once purchased multiple examples of the same weapon. If they sift records I might look like a gun smuggler.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:09 PM (aD39U)

Yeah I am sure I am on the radar because I always have to (GET TO!) buy two.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM (IFNME)

155 Screw is hitting ejector spring

The right screw

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM (RjBju)

156 Someone upthread suggested it might be a broken spring and could be but I hope it isn't. I am hoping it's just some crud in there binding it up.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:10 PM

The Glock slide is very easy to disassemble. If you have one of those guides it is a price of cake. Just remember there are tiny springs in there that have a mind of their own when set free.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM (QNSds)

157 154 Yeah I am sure I am on the radar because I always have to (GET TO!) buy two.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM
***
Smiley face emoji.

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 08:14 PM (IQ6Gq)

158 The Armed Attorneys on Youtube dedicated three videos to having Emily's bodacious tatas explain the potential for abuse of the new rule.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM

She could make a fortune with an only fans page.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 08:15 PM (QNSds)

159 This was first hit on Google.

I have a G33 that had the slide milled for an RMR, now the extractor plunger rod is stuck, it won't come out. Since I was cautious using the proper length screw to mount the RMR I suspect either poor milling causing metal burrs or a gob of locktite is stopping the rod from coming out, I can move it back about an 1/8" of an inch, so far the ejector works fine. Anyone have a recommendation to dissolve locktite or otherwise to get the rod out?

Huh. It isn't locktite, but we had to use longer screws on the Holosun because the ones that hold the cover plate on aren't long enough. Maybe related.

BRB

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:15 PM (IFNME)

160 Except for a relatively limited number of particularly desirable collectables, we are mostly fooling ourselves when we think our guns are "investments." You might consider either selling it person-to-person locally or try Gunbroker.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM (/y8xj)

I understand that you'll be fortunate to get 50% of a gun's nominal value (Blue Book is the usual standard) when selling it. That's because the middleman buying it has to pay for all their overheads (building, employee wages, utilities, etc.) out of the price they'll sell it for. The $$ you get is what's left over after those fixed costs get covered.

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 08:15 PM (yRXSd)

161 N, you don;t know me. The reason I go to the range on a regular basis, come here and hang out with a bunch of people who really know what they are doing is because I take all this seriously.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:15 PM (t/2Uw)

162 An Alert you don't see too often around here:
Four zebras have escaped their trailer and are running lose near I-90 at North Bend WA. (About 20 miles east of Seattle)
Safari anyone?

Posted by: Diogenes at April 28, 2024 08:16 PM (W/lyH)

163 Situational awareness?

Youngest daughter went out to eat with a bunch of friends last night before prom. They all left the table at the same time to go through the buffet. When it was time to pay, her credit card had been stolen from her purse that she left at the table.

The only good news, is that after I hung up from the phone call, my wife said; "I know, I know, she gets it from me."

Situational awareness can be taught, but I think it is mostly a mindset. I have worked on it with multiple family members and made very little progress.

Sigh.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:16 PM (HlyYF)

164 150th!

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:16 PM (1zxQh)

165 N, you don;t know me. The reason I go to the range on a regular basis, come here and hang out with a bunch of people who really know what they are doing is because I take all this seriously.
Posted by: s

And?

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:16 PM (RjBju)

166 Ha! Nope.
But I'm here.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:17 PM (1zxQh)

167 Yeah I am sure I am on the radar because I always have to (GET TO!) buy two.
Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM (IFNME)

Surplus especially. When something first starts coming in, it is cheap and plentiful and usually the best examples, and just when people start getting interest in buying them, there are no more, so load up if you can afford it.

That's how someone could end up with five M39 Finnish Mosins *cough*cough*.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:18 PM (aD39U)

168 Has there been any discussion of the ATF making private party sales effectively illegal starting May 11th?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM (aD39U)

I was talking to a friend of mine on Friday who lost his FFL last year due to "zero" tolerence for clerical errors, etc, and he said that they are trying to use this for those who sell firearms "for profit" without being an FFL.

I said I didn't know but will research.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 08:18 PM (R/m4+)

169 Let's all be cool.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 08:19 PM (JwHpX)

170
Eromero, you have mail.

I'm traveling back to Longview in early June.

Posted by: BifBewalski at April 28, 2024 08:20 PM (MsrgL)

171 143 Sharon, have you ever thought about trying a revolver?

Or a muzzle loader? Maybe a heavy stick?

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:08 PM

Sharon is such a physically intimidating person, all she really needs to do is flex and give them the stink-eye to make hardened criminals flee in terror.

{{{{swa}}}}

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:21 PM (HlyYF)

172 I kick myself for not buying K98s when they first came in in large quantities, ditto the M38 version, and the K31s when the older minty walnut stocked ones were $300.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:21 PM (aD39U)

173 Sharon, welcome to Gun Owner’s World. Some just work perfectly. Some don’t.
I was thinking my new AR10 was in the latter category. After 256 rounds I finally found the load that proved me wrong.
But, I tell ya, for a month I was in the dumps.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 08:22 PM (nCaYE)

174 and the stupid reason that I demurred was fear of caliber creep.

*kicks self yet again*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:22 PM (aD39U)

175 This was first hit on Google.

I have a G33 that had the slide milled for an RMR...

Thank you for that. I don't (currently) own a MOS Glock but a G-19 has been on The List for a couple of years now. It'll be something to keep in mind.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:22 PM (/y8xj)

176 Has there been any discussion of the ATF making private party sales effectively illegal starting May 11th?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 07:58 PM (aD39U)

I was talking to a friend of mine on Friday who lost his FFL last year due to "zero" tolerence for clerical errors, etc, and he said that they are trying to use this for those who sell firearms "for profit" without being an FFL.

I said I didn't know but will research.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 08:18 PM

Not sure about now but back in the day there were a ton of guys getting Class III licenses just so they could buy surplus guns and sell them to their buddies.

That was 40+ years ago when there was surplus stuff advertised all over the place. You could get stuff back then $40-50 cheaper than gun store if you had a Class III and bought in bulk. You could buy a case of surplus SMLE Mark III's cheap and sell them to your buddies.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 08:25 PM (QNSds)

177 {{{Pillage Idiot}}}
{{{RI Red}}}

Virtual hugs til I can give you one IRL.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:27 PM (t/2Uw)

178 Umm...

So I start loosening the screw on the Holosun on the side where the extractor plunger is and when I get past the tension I watch that plunger rod go forward right up against the extractor. Locking the slide back, the extractor is not floppy.

Which is interesting - had I removed the sight and shot it it would have worked perfectly and the sight itself would have looked like the culprit.

Instead, it was me!

DOH! Now to locate the correct length screws in here that will affix the sight in place and NOT pin the extractor plunger down!

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:27 PM (IFNME)

179 christmas, just got in from the forests, shot&beer time if ever there was; raining on me most of the afternoon up in Chequamwegon NF, golly ...

hiked my (metaphorical) ass off, but gosh what a day of reveling in the purely physical joy of being here, still alive, walking through the forests. (ecen if it was raining at varied intensity since before noon-ish even.

woohoo, innit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:28 PM (tQtDb)

180 Hi GWB

So glad you are coming to the MoMe and going to party with the MGC. Might be a smaller group so more range time.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (t/2Uw)

181 Rescinding FFLs for tiny, inconsequential clerical errors is just back door gun control.

Just like the counties that say they are "may issue", and comply with the 2nd amendment, yet haven't issued a permit to a private citizen for decades.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (HlyYF)

182 Blaster, I’ve mounted scope rings and other stuff and eventually found the machine screws to be just too long. Usually after much swearing and range time.
Now when I assemble I try to anticipate that stuff.
Operative word being “try”.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (nCaYE)

183 BTW the Holosun is the EPS Carry which is I think basically a 407k with enclosed emitter and the solar backup.

A VERY nice piece of kit.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (IFNME)

184 Which is interesting - had I removed the sight and shot it it would have worked perfectly and the sight itself would have looked like the culprit.

Instead, it was me!

DOH! Now to locate the correct length screws in here that will affix the sight in place and NOT pin the extractor plunger down!

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:27 PM (IFNME)

Alls well that ends well.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (aD39U)

185 Most folks don't realize how the ATF works. They do not go out "looking" for this or that gun "violation" but work off of tips and complaints. They do not have the personal to go around patrolling for Joe Blow who drilled a 3rd hole or Jane Glasspipe who made a oil filter silencer, but they do respond to the Ken or Karen who call shit in because Sam sold this or that and Ken or Karen lost the sale or the idiot at the public range who has to show everyone his Glock switch. Under Joe Biden, they also work the political angle of fear and intimidation with changing the laws and regs on a whim so no one knows the skinny.

Which is why you never see the ATF in Da Hood. Folks there be keeping their mouths shut and the democrat party shields them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (R/m4+)

186 of interest to those interested in a passable budget Glock-17 clone...

BCA came out recently with the Grizzly 9mm which is according to reports as good for the price as the PSA dagger....

happy shooting

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:32 PM (X0I7i)

187

So I start loosening the screw on the Holosun on the side where the extractor plunger is and when I get past the tension I watch that plunger rod go forward right up against the extractor. Locking the slide back, the extractor is not floppy.

Which is interesting - had I removed the sight and shot it it would have worked perfectly and the sight itself would have looked like the culprit.

Instead, it was me!

DOH! Now to locate the correct length screws in here that will affix the sight in place and NOT pin the extractor plunger down!

Posted by: b
Screw is hitting ejector spring

The right screw
Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM (RjBju)

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:33 PM (RjBju)

188 OMG
Blaster I love you! In a sisterly kind of way but enthusiastically.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:33 PM (t/2Uw)

189 185 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (R/m4+)

"OR" they correctly consider the weapons the gangbanger use to be "vital and necessary professional tools for a valued democrat donor class."

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:33 PM (X0I7i)

190 Now to locate the correct length screws...

I presume you could just take a file to the tip of the screw you have. And yeah, I'm the guy that totally would have used Loctite on that bugger without checking first.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:33 PM (/y8xj)

191 Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:27 PM (IFNME)

Problem solved (hopefully)?

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 08:33 PM (yRXSd)

192 homework?
jeesh, di'nt do it, whatever it was ...

thought about busting a few caps out in the wilderness
(I've done it on other occasions)
but ... naah ... just kept on truckin' ...

but hey, "keep in shape" is on that list of things to do, too, innit?
did that like hell today!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:34 PM (tQtDb)

193 I worry that I am a prime candidate for a visit from the ATF having more than once purchased multiple examples of the same weapon. If they sift records I might look like a gun smuggler.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:09 PM (aD39U)
Apparently if you are a buyer, there is no problem. The ATF is after the seller. And when I asked up thread how they think they are going to enforce it: as the Armed Attorneys said, "Nobody talks, everybody walks."

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 28, 2024 08:34 PM (3rnQf)

194 Homework:
The problem with his analysis is that ALL THE ACTIONS leading up to reaching into the car actually lead up to the act of trying to touch your person - in the eyes of a reasonable person in 2024. PERIOD.

But ESPECIALLY when the mob is a terrorist one. If they're chanting for Antifa or Hamas, they are, BY DEFINITION, terrorists. (This conclusion is based on their actions in ALL previous mobs - including use of molotov cocktails, pulling people out of cars to beat them (before 2020, anyone remember a man named Reginald Denny?), even shooting people.)
1/2

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:35 PM (1zxQh)

195 177 {{{Pillage Idiot}}}
{{{RI Red}}}

Virtual hugs til I can give you one IRL.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:27 PM

I think I asked before(?), but if I can get my wife down to the TXMoMe can you shoot with her at the pistol range?

She is not scared of guns (she has shot my 12-gauge), but is not very good at deliberate, repetitive endeavors.

Also there seems to be a fine line between advice and criticism from her Idiot husband. Whereas, she is just fine learning from everyone else!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:35 PM (HlyYF)

196 176 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 08:25 PM (QNSds)

The current Biden games will be aimed at C and R license holders as well given inherently it is a small time transaction dealer license to allow a collector to grow their collection.

I am now glad I did not get my C and R in the 90s.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:35 PM (X0I7i)

197 Screw is hitting ejector spring

The right screw
Posted by: N

Credit where due. You called it.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:36 PM (/y8xj)

198 I worry that I am a prime candidate for a visit from the ATF having more than once purchased multiple examples of the same weapon. If they sift records I might look like a gun smuggler.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:09 PM (aD39U)
Apparently if you are a buyer, there is no problem. The ATF is after the seller. And when I asked up thread how they think they are going to enforce it: as the Armed Attorneys said, "Nobody talks, everybody walks."
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 28, 2024 08:34 PM (3rnQf)

I more worry that they will want to know if I still have them. Then I will end up on a Youtube video.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:36 PM (aD39U)

199 Thanks for the La Gloria cigar review. I have that one in a sampler pack waiting to move on deck into the regular wine/humidor. On a lark got a box of another La Gloria cigars for $40. Don't recall offhand the series but it was an oscuro wrapper (very tasty) and came in a red 'hatbox'.

Today tried a La Palina El Diario (toro). Very good construction, firm stick, very good draw and burn. Susposed to be full body. Despite 93 rating I thought it was a bit flat, but stuck with it to the end.Never did get 'apple' out of it. A lot of leather and a hint of pepper.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 28, 2024 08:36 PM (cOq4q)

200 200!

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)

201 172 I kick myself for not buying K98s when they first came in in large quantities, ditto the M38 version, and the K31s when the older minty walnut stocked ones were $300.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:21 PM (aD39U)
I was in WalMart the day they quit black rifles. There were 3 Colt ARs in the lazy susan at $700 apiece. I told the salesperson I'd be right back to get them in a few minutes and when I got back with a toolbox to carry them, they were gone.

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 08:37 PM (NxC5+)

202 The important thing to remember is that even in freedom oriented states like tax there are Communist DAs such as the twink in office in Travis County. Remember the Army Sergeant that defended himself against a hostile mob (and one joker in particular)? What became of him?

He was one county away from not being prosecuted.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 08:37 PM (uTTG7)

203 I just finished a Brick House Maduro. Big sucker!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 08:37 PM (JwHpX)

204 Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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You're en fuego!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 08:38 PM (JwHpX)

205 Also there seems to be a fine line between advice and criticism from her Idiot husband. Whereas, she is just fine learning from everyone else!

I will pay someone else to tell my wife exactly what I would tell her. It's better for everyone that way.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:38 PM (/y8xj)

206 Pillage Idiot, we have a lone target set up for .people that would like individual instruction.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 08:38 PM (LfcYE)

207 Weasel, I’m finally to the next step of seating depth. I’m finding, though, that all commercial loading is right to magazine length , approx 2.810.
I wonder if seating deeper is going to be effective. I’m already up to 2625 fps, though I see no primer or case issues.
Gas gun in this caliber is new ground for me.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 08:38 PM (nCaYE)

208 202 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 08:37 PM (uTTG7)

Not justifying the travesty done to the GI, one lesson I was taught in the army was always know where your ass is holding your legs....

He had to have known he was in Travis County and in TC antifa is king.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:39 PM (X0I7i)

209 I presume you could just take a file to the tip of the screw you have. And yeah, I'm the guy that totally would have used Loctite on that bugger without checking first.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:33 PM (/y8xj)

May need to do that. There is not an alternate set of screws in the box that are the same diameter/pitch and shorter length other than the screws that held down the optic cover plate and those are too short.

Oh, and N wins the prize for gunsmithing by using the Force here on the gub thread.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:39 PM (IFNME)

210 203 I just finished a Brick House Maduro. Big sucker!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 08:37 PM

I hope you had the appropriate Commodores song playing in the background!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:39 PM (HlyYF)

211 HOMEWORK:
And nowhere in there does he mention the felony of Illegal Detention. That is a VIOLENT felony. It's the equivalent of KIDNAPPING. At the moment they try to prevent him (specifically - not just some mob of idiots sitting in the road) from going anywhere in a violent fashion, IMO, in most jurisdictions, he is authorized lethal self-defense. Car or gun.

Also, what he neglected to mention is that when the dude was pepper sprayed - on offense, not defensively - he had been assaulted with a deadly weapon. The person who sprayed him had NOT been attacked. Therefore the incapacitation that method causes is a lethal attack, itself. (Read Branca.)

At THAT point, IMO, he is authorized deadly force to escape. The fact there is a vehicle blockade at the other end of that block makes it absolutely true they are attempting to illegally detain him in a violent fashion, and every single person attacking my vehicle is going to suffer violence to their person at that point.
2/2

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:40 PM (1zxQh)

212 Remember the Army Sergeant that defended himself against a hostile mob (and one joker in particular)? What became of him?

https://nationalcenterforpolicedefense.com/ case-file/case-file-sgt-daniel-perry-austin-tx/ (delete space after com/)

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:41 PM (/y8xj)

213 Pillage Idiot, I would be delighted. If you need help convincing her to come to Texas, I can tell her about my first trip which was not that long ago. Feel free to share my email and maybe we can talk before October.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:41 PM (t/2Uw)

214 So, on a more serious note,

Range report:
Before the focus started, I got to fire MAE's 9mm carbine for a few rounds. Very fun, but I was a bit low at 25 yards. *sigh*

Then focused and did one handed drills, five rounds at a time, right at center mass , left headshots at seven yards.

I shot better left handed than right (I'm left handed but shoot right as I'm right eye dominate). It's a challenge to reload one handed.

I did practice racking a slide one handed at home. No rounds of course. I found the best way for me, if I had shoes on, was to use the grooves in my undersoles to grab the slide from the top.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 08:42 PM (AdqK9)

215 206 Pillage Idiot, we have a lone target set up for .people that would like individual instruction.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 08:38 PM

Thanks! She is also a semi-newbie because her trips to the range are few and far between.

P.S. {{{Ben}}}

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:42 PM (HlyYF)

216 Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 08:38 PM (nCaYE)
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Most of my experience is with bolt guns. Guys shooting AR platforms are usually not using magazines. Depending on available case volume remaining you might test seating them deeper. It's possible you will find another good harmonic node in there somewhere.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 08:42 PM (JwHpX)

217 RI Red, glad you found a load you like for your AR-10. It's really a great platform and just enjoyable to shoot.

Posted by: ck at April 28, 2024 08:43 PM (nMOLw)

218 BTW, the dude selfie'ing(?) and saying "Get him!" is committing incitement of riot and murder and is the ringleader of the kidnap mob. He deserves the death penalty if anyone was even harmed, in my opinion. Find that man and throw him in prison for the rest of his short life. He is a terrorist.

Arm up, people, and armor up, if this starts happening in your AO.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:43 PM (1zxQh)

219 211 Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:40 PM (1zxQh)

While I agree with you, and Branca and I have had extensive communications I have to admit that like Branca I am troubled at the Apple River trial up in Wisconsin.

Unless the DA and jury were THAT angry at the guy lying initially about the nature of the incident an obvious self-defense stabbing got turned into a murder one conviction.

The evidence, and the testimony should have led to a different outcome, I strongly suspect there is a coordinated attack on the right to self-defense underway by the Soros gang.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:43 PM (X0I7i)

220
Credit where due. You called it.
Posted by: Oddbob

Fwiw, I do not know dick about guns, but I know a guy that knows everything about guns. and the was what he said.

Interestingly he knows nothing about women. Everything about guns, nothing abiut women.

Not to say that anybody really understands women.

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:44 PM (RjBju)

221 will pay someone else to tell my wife exactly what I would tell her. It's better for everyone that way.
Posted by: Oddbob

OB, I’m trying to come up with this business plan. I would be wealthy.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 08:44 PM (nCaYE)

222 So, in summation, Washington Law dude is wrong because he's not viewing the whole picture, and he's not looking at the entirety of the law. (At least, not in my AO.)

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:44 PM (1zxQh)

223 I will pay someone else to tell my wife exactly what I would tell her. It's better for everyone that way.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:38 PM

You are a wise man!

You probably also do NOT have a waffle iron scar some where on your scalp.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:45 PM (HlyYF)

224 lol, lin-duh; I have shot a couple of things off my Main 1911 (the nickel Combat Commander) over the years ... the front sight came off once on the range (dint notice until I got home @cleaning time; replaced with the aftermarket specials) ; and later I lost the Plunger Tube Assembly off the left side ... that was on family land so I was able to go back and find it ... and re-rivet it in place (heartfelt thanks!).

stuff happens, amirite?

innit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:45 PM (tQtDb)

225 Congrats Blaster. I think you've earned an unofficial AoS Glock armorer badge. Well done.

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 08:45 PM (IQ6Gq)

226 218 Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:43 PM (1zxQh)

In a felony murder state he could and should be charged if anyone were killed in a legal self-defense incident during the commission of the crime.

The riots being essentially "made the new normal" since inauguration 2017 has led to a situation where democrat DAs are making sincere and SERIOUS assertions that some citizens have some "right to crime."

The breakdown of the rule of law will not lead anywhere good for anyone.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:45 PM (X0I7i)

227 Rescinding FFLs for tiny, inconsequential clerical errors is just back door gun control.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (HlyYF)

Correct. My friend has been contacted by GOA and they are interested in his case as he's 70 and has been a seller of firearms for over 40 years with a clean record prior to Joe's election.

Also, the ATF has been known to change their forms on a whim, give a 20 minute class to those interested, then expect someone to be squared away on filling out the new adjusted forms. More federal bureaucratic horse shit.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 08:46 PM (R/m4+)

228 >>> Also there seems to be a fine line between advice and criticism from her Idiot husband. Whereas, she is just fine learning from everyone else!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot

Hah!
Offered wifey to take lessons at the range. They offer classes just for women by women...or men.

Nah...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 28, 2024 08:47 PM (cOq4q)

229 A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.
The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 28, 2024 07:41 PM (ENQN6)

IIRC further defined in TX as all able bodied males 17-45.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 08:47 PM (uTTG7)

230 ohmygoshgolly i could sure use a cigar about now ...

someone up to cram one into their usb port?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:47 PM (tQtDb)

231 230 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:47 PM (tQtDb)

Call me, on the line you can call me-call me anytime....

//William from Hot Springs dressed as Debbie Harry

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:48 PM (X0I7i)

232 osted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:35 PM

If you would like Ms PI to get individual instruction,in Corsicana, I would recommend either Steck or weasel buddy Geoff. They are both extremely knowledgeable, patient and kind.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 08:49 PM (dIrwU)

233 213 Pillage Idiot, I would be delighted. If you need help convincing her to come to Texas, I can tell her about my first trip which was not that long ago. Feel free to share my email and maybe we can talk before October.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:41 PM

Awesome, and thanks!

(I think your first trip was my first trip. Did NaCly and I take you and friends back to the airport on your first trip?)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:49 PM (HlyYF)

234 TRex, isn't it amazing that we know people this smart about this stuff? I swear that the Aceof Spades blog is self selecting for people who know what they are doing. What they know does not always apply directly to day to day life but it sure is interesting.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:50 PM (t/2Uw)

235 "Arm up, people, and armor up"

this, no s#i7

add to the list, buy plate carriers and modern helmets

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:50 PM (tQtDb)

236 48 33 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 07:18 PM

I really think that if a gun was not built to accept a red dot you should not mount one.
Unless you have the skill necessary to cut away the section of the slide where one would put the red dot.

Just my 10 cents worth ( adjusted for Bidenomics)

Posted by: Scuba Dude

Not the only concern, semi autos are built around specific recoil springs and slide weight for whatever cartridge bullet and powder combo it was designed for. (Foreign 9mm are often designed around the 9 mm NATO load which is a fairly warm 124 gr load). Domestic wondernines from the likes of Smith for a long while were designed around the 115 gr. Most domestic and foreign will happily feed 147 gr.

When you monkey though with the slide weight by removing part of the metal to put red dots on, it will change the recoil impulse unpredictably.

Long and short, put red dots on newish firearms where the work is already done by the mfg. for maximum reliability.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 08:51 PM (tHT/j)

237 (I think your first trip was my first trip. Did NaCly and I take you and friends back to the airport on your first trip?)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot

Yes! You were riding shotgun. (-:

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:51 PM (t/2Uw)

238 Weasel and ck, thx.
Lots of case volume left, and of course I can’t leave well enough alone. There surely has to be another node out there.
BTW, I forgot one important piece - I adjusted the gas block finally. The result was very good. The brass went to about 3:30, did not get dinged and was very consistent.
One click above locking back on a single round in the mag. New stuff to me.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 08:52 PM (nCaYE)

239 What to Do
After a self-defense shooting.

******

Buy Ammo

I like that juxtaposition, Weasel. After a defensive shooting, buy more ammo.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 08:52 PM (1zxQh)

240 lol, no, i need it to just miraculously appear to gimme Plausible Deniability when Mrs Eez catches me smokin' it out on the deck in the rain ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:52 PM (tQtDb)

241 lol

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:53 PM (tQtDb)

242 Correct. My friend has been contacted by GOA and they are interested in his case as he's 70 and has been a seller of firearms for over 40 years with a clean record prior to Joe's election.

Also, the ATF has been known to change their forms on a whim, give a 20 minute class to those interested, then expect someone to be squared away on filling out the new adjusted forms. More federal bureaucratic horse shit.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 08:46 PM

My experience is based on one Dallas ATF agent that was returning my stolen property. He said that they have so many complaints about FFL dealers that they don't have to go looking for anything. They have more work just following up complaints than they can handle.

Granted that was one ATF agents word to me and I am in no way defending the agency and I do not know if it is true or not. Just putting my personal experience out there.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2024 08:53 PM (QNSds)

243 6 minutes until Legal Sunset ... insofar as I was on the road b4 sunrise ... actually hit the trail at sunrise this morning, not that you could tell through the overcast ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:55 PM (tQtDb)

244 133 Texas can do way better than John Cornyn.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2024 08:05 PM (aD39U)

The sad thing is that I can remember when he was reliably conservative. I’ll never support term limits - that only encourages laziness and apathy, both of which are lethal to our system - but he should have left in 2014 or 2020 with a legacy reasonably intact.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 08:55 PM (uTTG7)

245 Steck was my first instructor and she is great. I would act more as encouraging sympathetic ear.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:55 PM (t/2Uw)

246 221 will pay someone else to tell my wife exactly what I would tell her. It's better for everyone that way.
Posted by: Oddbob

OB, I’m trying to come up with this business plan. I would be wealthy.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 08:44 PM

Kind of a reverse "Strangers on a Train". Instead of husbands swapping to murder the other guy's wife, they swap to teach the other guy's wife.

Of course, the wives also get a chance to teach the other lady's husband to dispel some bit of male dumbassery!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 08:56 PM (HlyYF)

247 Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 08:51 PM (tHT/j)

Putting a red dot on and getting a finicky eater of ammo in return as part of the package is not what I'd call a winning combination.

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 08:56 PM (yRXSd)

248 Well, this is disappointing about the screws - the ones packaged with the Holosun are about 3 mm too long (at least on the right hand side where the extractor plunger is).

And I have some small machine screws that are correct diameter and pitch, that happen to be 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 in length. The 3/8 is too short and the 1/2 is too long.

Grr.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:56 PM (IFNME)

249 Can't be said often enough, Thank you each and every one of you that attend a MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 08:57 PM (LfcYE)

250 But I'm not convinced that extractor looseness is a good thing.
Posted by: Ed L
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It isn't. Extractor springs have to be very strong which is often why it is a pita to remove them and you always use safety glasses when doing so.

On occasion, they can break on removal and that spring strength can propel the pieces at a mite high velocity.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 08:58 PM (tHT/j)

251 Good evening everyone. Thank you Weasel.

I have a hypothetical Q for you all: Would there be any valid reason for a weapon that was seized during an investigation to be eventually returned to the owner in a cleaned (by the investigating LE Agency) state? I can't think of one.

Oh, no reason, just asking. . .

Posted by: Tonypete at April 28, 2024 08:59 PM (WXNFJ)

252 @246, lol, tryna imagine a red dot on a j-frame ...

meh, it's what i know, it's what i do, what can i say, j-frame .38 rules!

*** (imho) ***

might be good, it would just about double the volume ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:59 PM (tQtDb)

253 249 Can't be said often enough, Thank you each and every one of you that attend a MoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 08:57 PM (LfcYE)
Thank you, RancherBob, and CowhorseQueen!

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 09:00 PM (NxC5+)

254 Hello Weasel, I’ve missed the last two or three gub threads.. seems as though life gets in the way, horse shows and grand baby far away!
Good news, I might be semi on time next week.
I promise to turn in all of my late homework.

Hope every one is well.

Posted by: Rancherbob at April 28, 2024 09:00 PM (21WHr)

255 TP, cleaned to get a good rifling example?

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 09:01 PM (nCaYE)

256 He had to have known he was in Travis County and in TC antifa is king.
Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:39 PM (X0I7i)

That makes total sense. Unless he was from somewhere else and doesn’t know the ins and outs of the state. I have always been a TX resident and ever since the evil twink became DA (I got nauseating texts from his campaign that prove to me dude’s a Communist) I have limited my visits to Travis County.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 09:01 PM (uTTG7)

257
Too Large and Too Small are the Two Standard Sizes of everything.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 09:01 PM (tQtDb)

258 Posted by: Rancherbob at April 28, 2024 09:00 PM (21WHr)
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Howdy, RB! Sounds like you have your hands full!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:02 PM (JwHpX)

259 RancherBob!

Howdy Sir! Did I hear Grandbaby?????

My Marine got married a couple weeks ago in SoCal. They are going to wait a couple years to make me a grandma. So they say.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 09:03 PM (bOZwV)

260 Putting a red dot on and getting a finicky eater of ammo in return as part of the package is not what I'd call a winning combination.
Posted by: Ed L
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As I get older, I get more crotchity and follow the KISS standard on firearms for serious social work occasions. It is generally easier to work with what the manufacturer did than to go off on adding accessories. That is often how a nice, boring, reliable Glock turns into a malfunction junction.

Fitting parts is finicky and adapting things like screws etc. for accessories are often rather nightmarish. This is even more true when dealing with antiques with parts that can be made of unobtanium.

If you must alter a firearm to make it yours, always work on the least expensive and easily obtained part--not something like a revolver frame or slide/bolt/receiver. Then if you bugger it up, you can get a replacement easily.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:04 PM (tHT/j)

261 g'night everyone, and, as always, thank you, Weasel!

gonna make that txmomee one of these years!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 09:04 PM (tQtDb)

262 If you would like Ms PI to get individual instruction,in Corsicana, I would recommend either Steck or weasel buddy Geoff. They are both extremely knowledgeable, patient and kind.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 08:49 PM

Excellent idea!

I was very impressed with Steck, but have not met Geoff yet.

I think Step One is to get Ms PI to enjoy shooting a pistol. I think sharon is a joy to listen to on the gub thread as a lady shooter that picked up the hobby at just past age 29.

If we can get Ms PI to like it, THEN we can get some serious technical training. (I also need that. I am pretty sure I am the worst pistol shot of anyone on the gub thread ... including the people that don't shoot!)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 09:04 PM (HlyYF)

263 232 If you would like Ms PI to get individual instruction,in Corsicana, I would recommend either Steck or weasel buddy Geoff. They are both extremely knowledgeable, patient and kind.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 08:49 PM
***
Can confirm. Both helped us. Grateful and I still talk about gub grip lessons from Weasel Buddy Geoff. Fundamentals for the win!

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 09:04 PM (IQ6Gq)

264 256 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 09:01 PM (uTTG7)

He was at Fort Cavazos then Hood, used to be part of the in brief to the 1st Cav was a warning that the Killeen red light district, some Waco locals, and Austin could all cause headaches for different reasons.

Killeen has cleaned up the area around the base a lot in the last 25 years, Waco is Waco and Austin has gotten if anything worse.

Guy's conviction was an absolute miscarriage of justice, but it was pretty plain as day that BLM riot inc was a silently authorized activity by the Austin County DA and law enforcement complex.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:05 PM (X0I7i)

265 Omg. You have no idea…..have you met my wife??????

Posted by: Rancherbob at April 28, 2024 09:05 PM (21WHr)

266 257
Too Large and Too Small are the Two Standard Sizes of everything.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 09:01 PM (tQtDb)

This is about me, isn’t it?

Posted by: The Quartermaster at April 28, 2024 09:06 PM (uTTG7)

267 stuff happens, amirite?
innit?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 08:45 PM (tQtDb)

Worstest disassembly I had was I was shooting a Norinco SKS with a spike bayonet when the bayonet decided to leave the rifle and make a new home in my thigh. The screw that held the bayonet to the folding mechanism had decided to come loose.

I check that screw anytime I shoot any SKS so I don't get SKS Thigh.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 09:06 PM (R/m4+)

268 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 09:04 PM (HlyYF)
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You and WBG could easily pass as twin brothers. It's a little spooky.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:06 PM (JwHpX)

269 249 Can't be said often enough, Thank you each and every one of you that attend a MoMe.
*****Can't be said often enough, Thank you all for hosting, scheduling, organizing, etc a MoMe. We truly appreciate it.

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 09:07 PM (IQ6Gq)

270 I have a hypothetical Q for you all: Would there be any valid reason for a weapon that was seized during an investigation to be eventually returned to the owner in a cleaned (by the investigating LE Agency) state? I can't think of one.

Oh, no reason, just asking. . .
Posted by: Tonypete
=========
Depending on where you live, the boys in blue often view confiscated firearms as their toys and perks of the job and sometimes it takes lots of time and effort up to hiring an attorney to get it back.

Other times, they are indifferent to storage and you get one back that is filthy, rusted, and engraved all over with id marks if the item was seized for a case.

Moral is, don't use expensive firearms that you cannot afford to replace for serious social work purposes.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:07 PM (tHT/j)

271 She is way to young for a crew size weapon
Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2024 07:02 PM (fwDg9)

Not according to the sign on my gun closet. It points out that small children are not cut out for individual firearms, based on recoil and sheer size. But crew-served weapons are ideal, since they don't require direct strength to lift to fire, and they enhance cooperation with team skills.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:07 PM (1zxQh)

272 Guy's conviction was an absolute miscarriage of justice, but it was pretty plain as day that BLM riot inc was a silently authorized activity by the Austin County DA and law enforcement complex.
Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:05 PM (X0I7i)

To me it was telling that the Austin PD detective on the case testified on behalf of the DEFENSE at the trial.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 09:08 PM (uTTG7)

273 Cindy Lou Who, rockin' an M2.

Nice.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 28, 2024 09:08 PM (Wnv9h)

274
Worstest disassembly I had was I was shooting a Norinco SKS with a spike bayonet when the bayonet decided to leave the rifle and make a new home in my thigh. The screw that held the bayonet to the folding mechanism had decided to come loose.

I check that screw anytime I shoot any SKS so I don't get SKS Thigh.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 09:06 PM (R/m4+)
'Well, Mr. Guy, what brings you to the emergency room today?'

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 09:09 PM (NxC5+)

275 Great advice about what to say - and not say - after a self-defense shooting.

Actually, the best advice for any encounter with police where you might be arrested: Do not try to talk your way out of it; you won't. Say, "I want to talk to a lawyer" and shut up.

You might want to explain, you might spend a night in jail, but Zip It. Your story can wait.

For a great video: https: //tinyurl.com/ybdaxykp

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at April 28, 2024 09:10 PM (DzTZg)

276 You and WBG could easily pass as twin brothers. It's a little spooky.

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:06 PM

Just my luck that mad gun skilz are not also encoded into our DNA!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 09:10 PM (HlyYF)

277 Nite Sock!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:10 PM (JwHpX)

278 Not according to the sign on my gun closet. It points out that small children are not cut out for individual firearms, based on recoil and sheer size. But crew-served weapons are ideal, since they don't require direct strength to lift to fire, and they enhance cooperation with team skills.
Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:07 PM

I'm always surprised by how many people don't realize this.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 28, 2024 09:10 PM (Wnv9h)

279 If we are talking MoMe,

PNWMOME is left sidebar. Please email MAE. If you don't, I will harass you personally.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 09:10 PM (8LHLV)

280 Okay it isn't just me....

So I have a g48 mos with the chpws plate and he 507k. The 48 just got back from Glock warranty and the extractor depressor plunger has been replaced (almost 100% sure it’s my fault from inserting too long of a screw). Anyways how do make sure the screw is the right length so this doesn’t happen again.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:10 PM (IFNME)

281 272 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 09:08 PM (uTTG7)

Rank and file cops are not necessarily on board with the "kept monsters" tactics that the democrats are all in on, but the Soros DAs and the chiefs must be or the results would be different.

This case and the Apple River one have me doing serious soul searching on what best practices are in democrat dominated juridsctictions.

You could not pay me to do personal protection work in Illinois right now.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:11 PM (X0I7i)

282 Evenin'

(Goes back lurking)

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 28, 2024 09:12 PM (sAmhv)

283 Also:

I have a G43X MOS and have an EPS Carry on it. The EPS Carry will come with a plate and screws. Use the shortest screw size and you will need to file down the screw that goes in the right mounting hole above the extractor. File, test, repeat

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:12 PM (IFNME)

284 Congrats, Nurse R. I think I knew that but did not grok it.
Jr and DILIT continue to frustrate my plans to be a grampa who actually recognizes his grand offspring.
Although,DILIT had a trip down to CT and got hit on (deservedly - she was lookin’ good.) because she didn’t have a ring on. Jr said on the phone that they’d have to do something about that.
D’oh.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 09:12 PM (nCaYE)

285 I have a hypothetical Q for you all: Would there be any valid reason for a weapon that was seized during an investigation to be eventually returned to the owner in a cleaned (by the investigating LE Agency) state? I can't think of one.

Oh, no r

It was used by the cops to murder somebody before they returned it to you?

Toss it now

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 09:13 PM (RjBju)

286 Can't be said often enough, Thank you each and every one of you that attend a MoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 08:57 PM (LfcYE)

Thank you, Ben Had!

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 09:13 PM (yRXSd)

287 PNWMOME is left sidebar. Please email MAE. If you don't, I will harass you personally.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 09:10 PM

I think you should have posted one of your range report targets along with your comment.

Pretty sure that would result in 100% compliance!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 09:13 PM (HlyYF)

288 507K is a different model. FYI

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 09:13 PM (t/2Uw)

289 222 So, in summation, Washington Law dude is wrong because he's not viewing the whole picture, and he's not looking at the entirety of the law. (At least, not in my AO.)
Posted by: GWB
======
Criminal law is state specific and you not only have to know the statute but the caselaw which can get a bit problematic. Also very useful to know the jury instructions for that particular jurisdiction as that is what the jury will hear.

If you can still find it, Mitch Vilos and his son produced a 50 state summary of the statute, caselaw, and the jury instructions (Self Defense Law for the 50 States) on self defense and that is well worth perusing as the author is a well known Utah Attorney focusing on trial law and a member/attorney of the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Also has about six editions on his Utah specific guide to firearm laws of that state.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:13 PM (tHT/j)

290 I have a G43X MOS and have an EPS Carry on it. The EPS Carry will come with a plate and screws. Use the shortest screw size and you will need to file down the screw that goes in the right mounting hole above the extractor. File, test, repeat

Posted by: b

The right side?

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 09:14 PM (RjBju)

291 oh and I think the EPS Carry is more like the 507k than 407k.

It is nice with the 32 MOA circle and 2 MOA dot and swa sprang for the green dot because it did not clash with the lavender.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:14 PM (IFNME)

292
You could not pay me to do personal protection work in Illinois right now.
Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:11 PM (X0I7i)

No kiddin. My routine trips to the DC area have stopped so there is one less thing for me to worry about in that regard. No having to go to MD or DC for any reason for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 09:15 PM (uTTG7)

293 Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:12 PM (IFNME)

Sounds like a PITA. Might be the only way to be sure what you did works, though.

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 09:15 PM (yRXSd)

294 Can't be said often enough, Thank you each and every one of you that attend a MoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 08:57 PM

Ben Had, thank you all so much for hosting these great events!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 28, 2024 09:15 PM (Wnv9h)

295 The right side?
Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 09:14 PM (RjBju)

Correct - the right side as you are looking at it while holding it - the side with the extractor. That's where the extractor depressor plunger is.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:16 PM (IFNME)

296 You would think that a sight made specifically for the G48 MOS and G43x MOS would have the right size screws. The MRS Carry replaced the 507K.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 09:16 PM (t/2Uw)

297 It's also $100 more than the 507K.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 09:17 PM (t/2Uw)

298 Screw is hitting ejector spring

The right screw
Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 08:12 PM (RjBju

Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 09:17 PM (RjBju)

299 Worstest disassembly I had was I was shooting a Norinco SKS with a spike bayonet when the bayonet decided to leave the rifle and make a new home in my thigh. The screw that held the bayonet to the folding mechanism had decided to come loose.

I check that screw anytime I shoot any SKS so I don't get SKS Thigh.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Take some nail polish or liquid paper and put that across the screw and the surrounding retainer. Easy to tell if the screw has moved. I use that for technique for gas block retaining screws, etc. Both nail polish and liquid paper stick well and are easy to remove if you need to.

Nail polish also works as a quasi easy to remove threadlocker if you don't have purple loctite or its variant around.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:17 PM (tHT/j)

300 one of the things they want now is all my social media ID's.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at April 28, 2024 07:35 PM (f0/sc)

"I ain't got none" is the right answer. (And do NOT ever keep an app for one on your phone! Use the browser exclusively, and always use private browsing mode.)

Hope you're feeling better.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:17 PM (1zxQh)

301 300!

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 09:17 PM (IQ6Gq)

302 296 You would think that a sight made specifically for the G48 MOS and G43x MOS would have the right size screws. The MRS Carry replaced the 507K.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 09:16 PM (t/2Uw)

You would! Looking at the forums it seems that if you purchase the mounting plate separately it comes with the correct length screws. So many combinations.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:18 PM (IFNME)

303 Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
If I die before I wake

Y'all can fight over the AR with the NV scope

Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 09:18 PM (LfcYE)

304 Drat. *kicks dirt*

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 09:18 PM (IQ6Gq)

305 Drat. *kicks dirt*
Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 09:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
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That's going to leave a mark!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:19 PM (JwHpX)

306 289 Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:13 PM (tHT/j)

It is always a good idea to study the states from their own point of view, and to buy a self-defense experienced lawyers' briefing on how the area DAs and local culture approach the matter.

There is a wide valley in the understanding of self-defense theory as a whole but also the particulars of the body of law's interpretations between for example Ohio (where I was raised, and worked in protection) and here in Louisiana where I now live and do contractor work not related to personal protection.

Ohio because of case law had to make tacit deep changes to the notion of "duty to retreat" and wound up defining "stand your ground" theory much more explicitly than Louisiana had to.

Turns out that is because in Louisiana damn near universally it is an understood that nobody has a duty to retreat in their home, nor their vehicle and so there was no schizoid case law (other than NOLA which may as well be its own state in some ways) so the new law was much more linear and direct on constitutional carry and SYG.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:20 PM (X0I7i)

307 Y'all can fight over the AR with the NV scope
Posted by: Ben Had at April 28, 2024 09:18 PM (LfcYE)

Ben Had, have I talked to you about Gun Trusts and estate planning?
Especially where the beneficiary would be, uhh, moi?

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 09:20 PM (nCaYE)

308 Moral is, don't use expensive firearms that you cannot afford to replace for serious social work purposes.
Posted by: whig

But what do I practice with? Why ever own anything nice?

I have thought about this. My SA EMP Ronin can be replaced. I (maybe to my kids) cannot. I'd rather lose a firearm than my life.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 09:21 PM (ueXh5)

309 292 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 28, 2024 09:15 PM (uTTG7)

The BosWash corridor has entered the show trial stage of the commie festivities...

No such thing as a fair trial anymore.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:22 PM (X0I7i)

310 the Glock kept stovepiping.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 07:40 PM (t/2Uw)

You using 115 grain or 124 grain 9mm? I have to use 124 in my 1911 to keep it from having problems if it isn't perfectly clean.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:22 PM (1zxQh)

311 Ok, 9:22 thank you time!

Thank you!

I appreciate you all being here and hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:22 PM (JwHpX)

312 We were making some sport of $1500 handguns last week and I thought about it - there is SIGNIFICANT difference between a $400 1911 and a $1500 one.

But I don't think there is that big a difference at least performance wise in a $400ish AR15 and one at $1500.

James at TFP TV likes to rip on PSA but he did a test with a $400ish PSA rifle and one of his preferred Gucci guns and he was mad that he got better groups with the PSA....

Message: don't let price keep you from owning an AR15.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:23 PM (IFNME)

313 Thx, Weasel. Great as usual. Highlight of the Week. Or is that Highlights For Children?

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 09:24 PM (nCaYE)

314 That's interesting about purchasing the plate separatly. When I picked up the Glock and mentioned the Holosun, the guy behind the counter who was carrying a Glock said they had ordered a special plate for it which was why I thought it did not include the mounting plate.He wanted $50 but I think they are $25 on Amazon. I could get one pretty quick if that makes things easier.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 09:24 PM (t/2Uw)

315 90 I have a G43X MOS and have an EPS Carry on it. The EPS Carry will come with a plate and screws. Use the shortest screw size and you will need to file down the screw that goes in the right mounting hole above the extractor. File, test, repeat

Posted by: b

The right side?
Posted by: N at April 28, 2024 09:14 PM (RjBju)
Two firearm slides pre-drilled and tapped for optics, FN45 and G43X. Would not attempt that job on my own.

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 09:24 PM (NxC5+)

316 Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:22 PM (1zxQh)

Blaster/Sharon: Didn't we try both 115 and 124 grain ammo and get stovepipe rounds from both?

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 09:24 PM (yRXSd)

317 Big thanks to you as well, Weasel.
Enjoy the Gun Thread, lots.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 28, 2024 09:25 PM (qae4Z)

318 312 Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:23 PM (IFNME)

He also glumly acknowledged that BCA is not bad....

I am quite happy with my side-charging 223 Wylde BCA upper KP-15 lower rifles.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:25 PM (X0I7i)

319 I (maybe to my kids) cannot. I'd rather lose a firearm than my life.
*******
You are irreplaceable to more than your kids....

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 09:25 PM (IQ6Gq)

320 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 09:25 PM (yRXSd)

321 Blaster, same for an AR 10, as I am finding out.
Good battle rifle for great price.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 09:26 PM (nCaYE)

322 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 28, 2024 09:25 PM (qae4Z)
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Thanks. Happy to hear that!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:26 PM (JwHpX)

323 Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:23 PM (IFNME)

+1

Posted by: Ed L at April 28, 2024 09:26 PM (yRXSd)

324 I'd rather lose a firearm than my life.

Absolutely true but I still would carry the Kimber that I bought myself and could replace if I had to instead of my dad's Colt.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 09:27 PM (/y8xj)

325 Thanks Weasel.
Tonight was amazing not only because of help solving the issue with my gun but the support and symapthy from the group here.
Thanks to all of you too.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 09:27 PM (t/2Uw)

326 Message: don't let price keep you from owning an AR15.
*******
Amen brother!

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 09:28 PM (IQ6Gq)

327 311 Ok, 9:22 thank you time!

Thank you!

I appreciate you all being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:22 PM (JwHpX)

Thank you, Weasel. In a world of constant change, always great to see the Gub Thread pop up every Sunday.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 28, 2024 09:28 PM (v23vE)

328 But what do I practice with? Why ever own anything nice?

I have thought about this. My SA EMP Ronin can be replaced. I (maybe to my kids) cannot. I'd rather lose a firearm than my life.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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I view self defense weapons as tools---they get scuffed up, etc. and quite often I buy them used cop guns for the purpose as they are already broken in and another scratch or two or a worn finish doesn't cause anguish over a new scratch.

I have range queens and safe queens of firearms that mean something to me personally but since I can afford not to, I don't carry those for personal protection nor have them at my bedside.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:28 PM (tHT/j)

329 321 Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 09:26 PM (nCaYE)

The AR-10 was probably the best battle rifle NATO had so of course it was never widely adopted....

the ram line on the recoil impulse makes it without a doubt the smoothest aiming and maintaining 7.62*51 system we had, very amenable to walking fire for suppression as well.

Remember the trials where it lost to the M-14 were set up to have one platform replace the Garand AND the BAR....

the AR-10 is as good a walking weapon as the BAR.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:29 PM (X0I7i)

330 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 28, 2024 09:28 PM (v23vE)
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Thanks S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:29 PM (JwHpX)

331 We tried multiple grains and brand of ammo and it made no difference. It made no difference who shot it. I think it turns out to be a problem with the right side screw that came with the Holosun and not the gun.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 09:30 PM (t/2Uw)

332 Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:20 PM (X0I7i)
Is that little German place still open outside Ft. Polk?

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 09:31 PM (NxC5+)

333 I have range queens and safe queens of firearms that mean something to me personally but since I can afford not to, I don't carry those for personal protection nor have them at my bedside.
Posted by: whig

Understood.

I hope they get out of the safe and are loved and fired and loved some more.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 09:32 PM (qJ19H)

334 332 Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 09:31 PM (NxC5+)

I don't think so, if you mean the one by gate 6 across from Sam's Place.

Covid killed a lot of right outside the gate business.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:32 PM (X0I7i)

335 Might be a smaller group so more range time.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:30 PM (t/2Uw)

The range time is a bonus. It's the people that make it worthwhile, no matter how crowded the lanes are.

(And I say that as a misanthrope in my regular life.)

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:33 PM (1zxQh)

336 Take some nail polish or liquid paper and put that across the screw and the surrounding retainer. Easy to tell if the screw has moved. I use that for technique for gas block retaining screws, etc. Both nail polish and liquid paper stick well and are easy to remove if you need to.
Nail polish also works as a quasi easy to remove threadlocker if you don't have purple loctite or its variant around.
Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:17 PM (tHT/j)

Oh, excellent idea!

Thanks whig!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2024 09:33 PM (R/m4+)

337 For the record, the gub thread post count has exceeded the food thread count. Bullets > beans.

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 09:34 PM (IQ6Gq)

338 Btw, Godzilla, the original, is on comet tv.

May have to take a hitch out to the beach though. It's cloudy with a few breaks and windy and 51. Love it!

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 09:34 PM (8GAR9)

339 328 But what do I practice with? Why ever own anything nice?

I have thought about this. My SA EMP Ronin can be replaced. I (maybe to my kids) cannot. I'd rather lose a firearm than my life.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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I view self defense weapons as tools---they get scuffed up, etc. and quite often I buy them used cop guns for the purpose as they are already broken in and another scratch or two or a worn finish doesn't cause anguish over a new scratch.

I have range queens and safe queens of firearms that mean something to me personally but since I can afford not to, I don't carry those for personal protection nor have them at my bedside.
Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:28 PM (tHT/j)
Pre-owned Glocks. Word.

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 09:35 PM (NxC5+)

340 Also has about six editions on his Utah specific guide to firearm laws of that state.
Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:13 PM (tHT/j)

I find it fascinating that States have their own 2 Amendment laws when none are allowed for in the Constitution - and most criminal statutes are governed by the bill of rights as well, not by the political whims of state politicians. These aren't just things that individual state legislatures can ignore...but they do apparently.

The point of joining these United States, was that the laws and rights of citizens of that union were going to be the same in, say, New York, as they are in Utah or So. Carolina. The reason for that was so a lawyer from Kentucky would also have a clue what was legal in NY or CA. The fact that this is not the case is what is wrong with the judicial procedures that differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

Posted by: Boswell at April 28, 2024 09:35 PM (K+UlC)

341 Just talked to Ms PI. She got a big grin when I described the quality of the 'ettes she would meet at the TXMoMe!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 09:37 PM (HlyYF)

342 And I have some small machine screws that are correct diameter and pitch, that happen to be 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 in length. The 3/8 is too short and the 1/2 is too long.

Grr.
Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 08:56 PM (IFNME)

Run 2 nuts onto the 1/2" screw, lock them together leaving 1/16" of the screw sticking out, and file or grind off the stub. Running the nuts off again will true the thread.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2024 09:39 PM (8zz6B)

343 Understood.

I hope they get out of the safe and are loved and fired and loved some more.

Posted by: nurse ratched
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Got to get back up to speed at the range first with carry weapons . I have lots of medical issues that would bore most folks to tears when discussing them but it makes recoil management difficult and peripheral neuropathy caused by inflammatory arthritis leads me to have heavy but smooth triggers as a result. Also use a crush grip as well due to neuropathy. You sacrifice bleeding edge accuracy but right now, reloading with speedloaders in a revolver is a no go so semi auto it is.

I literally cannot 'feel' a light trigger anymore which makes any glass break type triggers dangerous to me for carry.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:41 PM (tHT/j)

344 Holy shitballs, I almost missed the gub! Good evening to Weasel and the Gub Horde.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 28, 2024 09:41 PM (mH6SG)

345 Thanks horde for another gub thread. I learned stuff (mostly to be skeptical about screwing with glocks). Thanks to Weasel for the continual reminders on fundamentals. I know what I need to work on.

Best wishes to Armorer Blaster. I hope good gub karma finds you.

Posted by: TRex at April 28, 2024 09:41 PM (IQ6Gq)

346 Remember the trials where it lost to the M-14 were set up to have one platform replace the Garand AND the BAR....
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That reminds me, I was rewatching Kelly's Heroes yesterday and the Corporal called it a B-A-R instead of saying 'bar', that I use whenever I read it.

Is doing the separate letter pronunciation the accepted [military] usage?

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 28, 2024 09:41 PM (vtyCZ)

347 OK all y'all. It was a long weekend and I'm pooped. Have a nice week!

Posted by: Weasel at April 28, 2024 09:42 PM (JwHpX)

348 334 332 Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 09:31 PM (NxC5+)

I don't think so, if you mean the one by gate 6 across from Sam's Place.

Covid killed a lot of right outside the gate business.
Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:32 PM (X0I7i)
I remember some 20 years ago my buddy there in Leesville backed his trailer hitch 2.5" ball into the cyclone fence at Las Margaritas and drove off with about twenty feet's worth of fence shooting sparks all over the pace. Good times.

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 09:42 PM (NxC5+)

349 Run 2 nuts onto the 1/2" screw, lock them together leaving 1/16" of the screw sticking out, and file or grind off the stub. Running the nuts off again will true the thread.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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You are an amazing fount of knowledge and I always learn something from your posts.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:42 PM (tHT/j)

350 PI, just warn her that lots of hugs are threatened.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 09:42 PM (nCaYE)

351 I presume you could just take a file to the tip of the screw you have.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 08:33 PM (/y8xj)

That was my first thought. But then you have to take it out, file it a bit, put it back in, run the slide, then take it out again, file it a bit more, put it back in, run the slide....

Better to look for screws, so you just have to take it out, put in the new screw, run the slide, take that screw out, put a new one in, run the slide....

And, yeah, I probably would have used Loctite on just that screw, too.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:44 PM (1zxQh)

352 The fact that this is not the case is what is wrong with the judicial procedures that differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Posted by: Boswell at April 28, 2024 09:35 PM (K+UlC)

I wonder exactly when the First Ten Amendments became the First Ten Suggestions?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at April 28, 2024 09:44 PM (hOUT3)

353 Is doing the separate letter pronunciation the accepted [military] usage?
Posted by: andycanuck
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There is not. Browning Automatic Rifle is the civilian name for whatever model number etc. that the Army gave it and BAR could be whatever your trainer or sgt preferred.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:44 PM (tHT/j)

354 Okay gubthread look what you have done.

I did the file and test, file and test method and y'all fixed it.

I was first tempted to take a dremel to the screw but the margin is so narrow here on the correct length that I just took a hand file to it. A few cycles of file and test and it is the correct length to hold down the sight and clear the extractor plunger.

Insert thumbs up emoji here!

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:46 PM (IFNME)

355 "It's the people that make it worthwhile "

innit?

there you have it, in a nutshell.

& now rly g'night!

gotta be somewhat in shape (lol) for hiking tomorrow!

innit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 09:46 PM (tQtDb)

356 Long and short, put red dots on newish firearms where the work is already done by the mfg. for maximum reliability.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 08:51 PM (tHT/j)

Of course you are correct. But my problem was even more basic. The pistol behaved fine, but the eye-to-red-dot connection simply isn't intuitive for me, so I have to take attention away from other stuff to make it work. And if trigger discipline is one of those things? Then I should step back and reevaluate.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 09:46 PM (d9fT1)

357 PI, just warn her that lots of hugs are threatened.

Posted by: RI Red

Not a threat, a promise. (-:

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 09:46 PM (t/2Uw)

358 PIA,
As you well know, it is cathartic to be around happy, like minded folks who love life, love freedom and love America.

And good food and good drink and lots of laughter and hugs.

Hopefully that scoundrel NZFrank will also show up.....

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2024 09:47 PM (/kPV5)

359 352 The fact that this is not the case is what is wrong with the judicial procedures that differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Posted by: Boswell

Comes about because of federalism. And btw, the Bill of Rights actually protects these state powers to determine their own criminal laws via the Tenth Amendment.

What I get pissed off about is that big cities are suddenly not even following state law but inventing their own via selective prosecutions for people they want to punish and waving off prosecutions for those that politically the Dems do not want to punish like ordinary street criminals and illegals.

Vicinage is about the jury--not the prosecutor and leads directly to due process problems for individuals that are being martyred in urban districts because it is useful to the Dems. Laws are not being applied equally to similarly situated individuals.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:49 PM (tHT/j)

360 You are an amazing fount of knowledge and I always learn something from your posts.
Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:42 PM (tHT/j)

Gee, that's just mechanicing 101. "Always run a nut onto a screw you intend to cut, so the nut can clear the burr off the cut end." My Dad taught me that one when i was maybe 7 years old.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2024 09:49 PM (8zz6B)

361 & spot-on AOP!

(thumbs-up-emoji)

G'NIGHT!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 09:49 PM (tQtDb)

362 Insert thumbs up emoji here!

I love it when a plan comes together!

Posted by: Oddbob at April 28, 2024 09:50 PM (/y8xj)

363 346 Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 28, 2024 09:41 PM (vtyCZ)

https://youtu.be/QxMqWi-PV6k?si=-OfusrzYduL_NByB

B-A-R is how the war department referred to it in training films...

Soldiers being soldiers referred to it as either/or...

Ian McCollum and friends call it the B-A-R.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:50 PM (X0I7i)

364 Run 2 nuts onto the 1/2" screw, lock them together leaving 1/16" of the screw sticking out, and file or grind off the stub. Running the nuts off again will true the thread.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Was using that trick for some building hardware.

The nuts I used had sloppier tolerance than what the bolt had to go into. Hard to fine tune the threads with a needle file on about half of them (set of needle files - $5 at china freight).

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 28, 2024 09:51 PM (cOq4q)

365 I strongly suspect there is a coordinated attack on the right to self-defense underway by the Soros gang.
Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:43 PM (X0I7i)

Ya think?! Yeah, they want to take away the most fundamental right you have: the right to your own life. (They're also working on the right to property.)

Soft men... hard times a-coming.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:51 PM (1zxQh)

366 Of course you are correct. But my problem was even more basic. The pistol behaved fine, but the eye-to-red-dot connection simply isn't intuitive for me, so I have to take attention away from other stuff to make it work. And if trigger discipline is one of those things? Then I should step back and reevaluate.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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I have red dots on long arms but none on pistols simply because I am not particularly interested in shooting competitions where they shine or worrying about trying to shoot one MOA using a red dot with a 3 MOA pistol design for serious self defense work.

People have to do what works for them and for the situations that they plan to use the firearm.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:52 PM (tHT/j)

367 Nice shooting, Blake.

Posted by: scampydog at April 28, 2024 09:52 PM (41CYW)

368 The breakdown of the rule of law will not lead anywhere good for anyone.
Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 08:45 PM (X0I7i)

Excellent follow-up comment.
And, yes, my comments are based on people actually following the law. Plenty of folks in power NOT desiring to to do that, and lots of voters letting them.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:54 PM (1zxQh)

369 (They're also working on the right to property.)

Soft men... hard times a-coming.
Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:51 PM (1zxQh)

And unrealized gains...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at April 28, 2024 09:54 PM (hOUT3)

370 350 PI, just warn her that lots of hugs are threatened.

Posted by: RI Red at April 28, 2024 09:42 PM

She's already a "hugger".

Just need to make her even slightly a gun nut!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 09:54 PM (HlyYF)

371 Thanks, Sven, and Whig. [And the Forgotten Weapons guy!]

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 28, 2024 09:54 PM (vtyCZ)

372 Gee, that's just mechanicing 101. "Always run a nut onto a screw you intend to cut, so the nut can clear the burr off the cut end." My Dad taught me that one when i was maybe 7 years old.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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I use a die set plus a wide assortment of files including thread repair files, grinders, etc. for cutting and cleanup on screws if I begrudingly have to cut the sob but haven't really thought about your simpler way.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:55 PM (tHT/j)

373 365 Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:51 PM (1zxQh)

People are refusing to see that it MUST be coordinated behind the scenes because that means it MUST be dealt with.

Fooling yourself into thinking there is some demonic serendipity in the actions allows you to think "it will not happen here*" but the thing is the blue hellholes in red states constantly trying to make sh*t rulings to change the interpretation of the law outside the legislative process can work and will work on a long timeline unless it is knocked down by the State SC EVERY time.

*here being wherever

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 09:55 PM (X0I7i)

374 Just need to make her even slightly a gun nut!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 09:54 PM (HlyYF)

Taking her to Corsicana sounds like a good plan, then.

Posted by: blaster at April 28, 2024 09:55 PM (IFNME)

375 What they know does not always apply directly to day to day life but it sure is interesting.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 28, 2024 08:50 PM (t/2Uw)

This is about that "slap a hot iron on it" thing, isn't it?

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:55 PM (1zxQh)

376 People have to do what works for them and for the situations that they plan to use the firearm.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:52 PM (tHT/j)

Absolutely!

I have a red dot on this pistol just for shits-and giggles. It isn't a primary, or even secondary self-defense gun.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 09:56 PM (d9fT1)

377 371 Thanks, Sven, and Whig. [And the Forgotten Weapons guy!]
Posted by: andycanuck
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In the military as enlisted, I called items by whatever my sergeant and officers wanted me to call it.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:56 PM (tHT/j)

378 CBD, that's why I disinstalled the laser pointer on the P290 ... it was taking up milliseconds on my response time ... from where the sun now stands, I am all about getting The First Shot Off ... if a near miss oh well, next one will be better, one after that will be right on the spot ... j-frame's only got 5 but that's enough to do what's necessary ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 09:57 PM (tQtDb)

379 it will change the recoil impulse unpredictably.
Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 08:51 PM (tHT/j)

Not entirely unpredictable. But it involves a lot of math, and we don't do math around here.

And, I see my time is up before finishing the comments. I'll keep reading and respond willow-like to anything important. Thanks, again, Weasel, for this weekly Thread.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 09:58 PM (1zxQh)

380 Weasel, thanks for another good gub thread!

Morons and 'ettes, thanks for all of the help and support!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 09:58 PM (HlyYF)

381 I have a red dot on this pistol just for shits-and giggles. It isn't a primary, or even secondary self-defense gun.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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I have a red dot on a Winchester CMP Carbine. I didn't put it there but the person that I inherited it from did so I left it on there to respect their wishes and cowitnessed the red dot with the sights. But, I have the original parts to put back on it too.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:59 PM (tHT/j)

382 *fistbump* nurse

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 09:59 PM (tQtDb)

383 Was a pleasure as always making my cameo, I will be working the next rotation so I will be scarce thanks for the chat GWB and Whig- AOP, CBD, Weasel et al miss you as always.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2024 10:00 PM (X0I7i)

384

& g'night everyone, again!

see summayouse onna techthread, amirite?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 10:02 PM (tQtDb)

385 sock_rat_eez,

I think you are one of the few people here that shoots with a laser.

I have bad eyes and the laser makes it very easy to put the muzzle on the target. However, it is MUCH easier for me to create a stable shooting platform holding the gun at mid-chest rather than as high as my eye line.

Do you shoot the same (posture and hand position) with the laser as you do with sights?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 10:02 PM (HlyYF)

386 Not entirely unpredictable. But it involves a lot of math, and we don't do math around here.

And, I see my time is up before finishing the comments. I'll keep reading and respond willow-like to anything important. Thanks, again, Weasel, for this weekly Thread.
Posted by: GWB
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GWB, it is not just the weight but the distribution of that red dot and its mount's weight on the slide that can cause issues and even air resistance which makes it a problem that I would not want to mess around with on a firearm not designed for a red dot in the first place.

For us normal folks, you have to engage in trial and error playing with ammo loads and recoil springs to compensate for reliable operation.

I don't trust a pistol that I have to baby for serious defense work and I am willing to trade some degree of accuracy for dead solid reliability.

To me, match pistols and match barrels are for ranges and shooting competitions--not for when life and death is on the line. Some folks are willing to take that risk which is fine for them.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 10:03 PM (tHT/j)

387 Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 09:59 PM (tHT/j)

Oh hell...I LOVE red dots on carbines and rifles! For me it is effortless to find the dot as I shoulder the weapon. I think they are perfect for self defense applications for long arms. I even have one on a Mossberg 590, and it's great!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 10:03 PM (d9fT1)

388 I think you are one of the few people here that shoots with a laser.

I have bad eyes and the laser makes it very easy to put the muzzle on the target. However, it is MUCH easier for me to create a stable shooting platform holding the gun at mid-chest rather than as high as my eye line.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot

You are using the laser as an index which is what lasers were designed to do. They quite literally shine in application when a person is using non-standard firing positions where being able to line up the eyes and the front sight even for a 'flash' is not possible.

Just make sure though you know what the laser is zeroed for and the over under at different distances is with self defense ammo.

They also work great as a diagnostic for dry firing if all the usual precautions are followed for dry firing.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 10:06 PM (tHT/j)

389 Thanks again Weasel and horde...have a blessed week...

Posted by: Grateful at April 28, 2024 10:07 PM (IQ6Gq)

390 Oh hell...I LOVE red dots on carbines and rifles! For me it is effortless to find the dot as I shoulder the weapon. I think they are perfect for self defense applications for long arms. I even have one on a Mossberg 590, and it's great!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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I have them on my self defense AR's but prefer low 2.5-3 x prismatics for reaching out rather than additional magnifiers in front of the red dot. That never worked right for me.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 10:08 PM (tHT/j)

391 Ok, see folks next week if the creek don't rise.

Posted by: whig at April 28, 2024 10:08 PM (tHT/j)

392 PI, no, not really, I tried & quit the laser; thinking about it: (turn it on, pay attention in a emergent situation ...) was eating up too many therbligs .... in the situation where I will actualy draw & fire I want minimal dissonance; pull, fire, do OODA, proceed as seems necessary ... ... ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 10:10 PM (tQtDb)

393 whig,

Thanks for that advice!

Do you ever shoot with a laser considering you have some relevant medical issues?

I have a pretty severe central tremor. The laser is dancing on the target at the range! It is also dancing on the wall when I do dry fire.

I want to bring my pistol to the MoMe to observe the laser movement of good shooters prior to them even initiating the trigger squeeze.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 10:12 PM (HlyYF)

394 I have a pretty severe central tremor. The laser is dancing on the target at the range! It is also dancing on the wall when I do dry fire.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 10:12 PM (HlyYF)

Too much for pistol competitions?

Or too much for self defense?

That is a very big difference.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 10:14 PM (d9fT1)

395 PI, re-reading, bad eyes ... then you do whatever yo got to do to pur that flying chunk of lead where it belongs!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 10:14 PM (tQtDb)

396 when none are allowed for in the Constitution
Posted by: Boswell at April 28, 2024 09:35 PM (K+UlC)

Way wrong on that one. It wasn't until the 14th Amendment when the Bill of Rights became incorporated for all the states. The Constitution was intended only to apply to the federal gov't. It did not fundamentally restrict the states, except via Article IV, Section 4.

Posted by: GWB at April 28, 2024 10:15 PM (1zxQh)

397 jmj, g'night everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 10:15 PM (tQtDb)

398 Thanks sock.

I have the exact opposite experience. With the gun at mid-chest my eyes are scanning a large area around and behind the target.

When using the front sight, I certainly become somewhat tunnel-visioned as I hyperfocus to keep the sight on the target.

I am afraid to practice too much on my own, because I have quite the flare for developing bad habits that better athletes readily avoid.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 10:16 PM (HlyYF)

399 lol, 395, misspellings galore!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 10:17 PM (tQtDb)

400 Good night good people. Monday is at your door and drinking your milk and reading your newspaper.

Posted by: Eromero at April 28, 2024 10:21 PM (NxC5+)

401 Too much for pistol competitions?

Or too much for self defense?

That is a very big difference.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 28, 2024 10:14 PM

I am definitely working only on the second one!

There are lots of expert shooters among the Horde. They are very good at teaching expert technique.

I think I want training from one of the people that teaches the three worst shooting cops in each class, such that they can pass their certification test.

I have a poor-boy range at our farm that I can modify as needed. I just need to start with good enough habits such that I can be improved with more practice.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 10:22 PM (HlyYF)

402 PI, if i'm gonna give "advice" ... find someplace where you can "do your own thing" without anyone yelling at you about somebody's rules and just develop your own style & method.
putting lead downrange, on target is (in the real world) the only criterion by which we will, in the end, be judged.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 10:23 PM (tQtDb)

403 Thanks everyone for all of the help late in the thread.

ONT is up.

However, if anyone posts more advice here, I will come back and read it!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 10:24 PM (HlyYF)

404 Thanks sock!

We have a farm property where we can shoot pistol, or even long-range rifle.

I just hate going the wrong way on the learning curve!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 28, 2024 10:32 PM (HlyYF)

405 it's all the same learning curve, one way or the other, innit?

for my 0.02 you have the ideal situation for developing your individual defense-shooting approach ... my own concentration has been at the 21 - 23 foot "tueller drill" range ... pull-and-fire without engaging the sights ... but ymmv, and that's how it spozed to be, innit?

see you next thread!

thanks Weasel, and the whole Horde! G'night!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2024 10:53 PM (tQtDb)

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