Supreme Court Seems Ready to Overturn 9th Circus' Judge-Made Law That Homeless People Are Allowed to Sleep On the Streets (At Least Until Cities Build Free Houses for Every Single Homeless Person)

One (1) aspect of the downfall of California isn't actually Gavin Newsom's doing, unbelievably enough. Cities on the west coast allow permanent homeless encampments because the leftwing circus called the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decided to make up their own laws and imposed the rule that homeless people must be permitted to camp wherever they like, until and unless governments create housing for all of them.

The Supreme Court is finally getting around to reviewing this lawless ruling.

The U.S. Supreme Court appears to be leaning towards supporting an Oregon city's crackdown on public sleeping, a decision that could have far-reaching implications for the escalating homelessness crisis under the Biden administration. The case, which challenges lower court rulings that deemed it "cruel and unusual" to fine or jail individuals sleeping on public land if no shelter is available, could redefine how cities and states manage the growing number of people living in tents, cars, and on the streets.
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The Supreme Court's more liberal justices have suggested that the city's law amounts to unlawfully targeting individuals simply because they are homeless. Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
However, the court's conservative justices have questioned where the line should be drawn between someone's conduct, which can be legally punished, and a status they are unable to change, which cannot be punished. They also suggested that homelessness is a complex policy problem and questioned whether courts should be responsible for managing it.

The conservative justices seemed especially receptive to this obviously-true notion that judges shouldn't be writing the laws.

I just left the U.S. Supreme Court, where I've asked the Court to restore the ability of local communities to clear homeless encampments from our public spaces. Based on this morning's oral argument, the Court appears poised to do just that.

Half the unsheltered homeless in the… pic.twitter.com/NdlCfmiuHo
— Kevin Kiley (@KevinKileyCA) April 22, 2024

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:25 PM

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1 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 23, 2024 12:26 PM (Wnv9h)

2 Sponge!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:26 PM (WFCe+)

3 Afternoon, ace.

I'll go get 'em.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 23, 2024 12:26 PM (Wnv9h)

4 hey yo

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 23, 2024 12:26 PM (CIS44)

5 Now do squatters.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:27 PM (di6C2)

6 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 23, 2024 12:27 PM (Wnv9h)

7 Part of the downfall of California isn't actually Gavin Newsom's doing, unbelievably enough. Cities on the west coast allow permanent homeless encampments because the leftwing circus called the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decided to make up their own laws and imposed the rule that homeless people must be permitted to camp wherever they like, until and unless governments create housing for all of them.

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It's a good thing California and the other states in the Ninth Circuit came together through the representatives and affirmed this as something the people wanted.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:27 PM (GBKbO)

8 Even if they do, there will still be tens of thousands of homeless people living on the streets because the democrats keep giving them ever increasing amounts of free $hit.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2024 12:27 PM (QNSds)

9 At least Illegals get nice hotel rooms to trash

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2024 12:27 PM (lJSJs)

10 "unsheltered homeless"

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (9Ct69)

11 I don't have much faith in the Court of John Roberts.

Posted by: Brewingfrog at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (xZMnq)

12 The conservative justices seemed especially receptive to this obviously-true notion that judges shouldn't be writing the laws.

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I look forward to this conservative victory followed by the manic desire by every Republican to run from it while Democrats fundraise off of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (GBKbO)

13 "The conservative justices seemed especially receptive to this obviously-true notion that judges shouldn't be writing the laws."

Ha!

Posted by: CJ Johnny Roberts at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (+YRf1)

14 9th Circuit should be broken into multiple ones. Totally uneven distribution of the circuits today.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (N1tpc)

15 Bums.

Say it with me.

Bums.

People don't run out of homes. They run out of relationships.

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (9Ct69)

16 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
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These people are retards, right?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (HnUIn)

17 16 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
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These people are retards, right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (HnUIn)

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Sotomayor? Likely.
KJB? Most likely.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:29 PM (GBKbO)

18 >>>The Bods is up.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:26 PM (WFCe+)

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Good thing that I can read "moron".

Posted by: Turn 2 at April 23, 2024 12:29 PM (JfxgE)

19 Ready and willing!

Posted by: Water Cannons at April 23, 2024 12:29 PM (w9Wax)

20 I look forward to this conservative victory followed by the manic desire by every Republican to run from it while Democrats fundraise off of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (GBKbO)
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The big question is what does IC/DC think of it?

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:29 PM (krQz2)

21 However, the court's conservative justices have questioned where the line should be drawn between someone's conduct, which can be legally punished, and a status they are unable to change, which cannot be punished. They also suggested that homelessness is a complex policy problem and questioned whether courts should be responsible for managing it.
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What are the "statuses they are unable to change?"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:29 PM (HnUIn)

22 You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach
.......

you run over them by accident in your 4 wheeler.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:29 PM (v0R5T)

23 Homeless people should be allowed to homestead in some of the million+ acres of BLM land out west.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 23, 2024 12:29 PM (N1tpc)

24 They are obstructing pathways and such.
Clear them out.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (ufFY8)

25 These people are retards, right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (HnUIn)

Well, also evil commies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (di6C2)

26

But wha bot blat wimmin

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (et1vG)

27 It seems like cities could dodge this if they wanted to.

Stop enforcing "public sleeping" or "homelessness" laws. Start enforcing the old 19th-century (probably) vagrancy laws.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (HnUIn)

28 they will overturn in some fashion that doesn't mean shit

this court is afraid to anything after Dobbs

Posted by: yikes at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (us2H3)

29 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
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These people are retards, right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (HnUIn)
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You can't sleep on a beach past closing time.

Wise latina...

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (krQz2)

30 27 It seems like cities could dodge this if they wanted to.

Stop enforcing "public sleeping" or "homelessness" laws. Start enforcing the old 19th-century (probably) vagrancy laws.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (HnUIn)

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"It is a human right to have no money."
-The 9th Circuit, probably

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

31 > These people are retards, right?

Yes.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (KKwfp)

32 Not to worry, Oregon Democrats put the 9th Circuit's Boise decision into state law, so even if the Supreme Court reverses Boise, Oregon is still stuck with it.

The joys of living in a one-party state...

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (YAtuc)

33 The Supreme Court's more liberal justices have suggested that the city's law amounts to unlawfully targeting individuals simply because they are homeless. Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."

How about loitering? You good with that? For days and weeks at a time? How about shitting in public? Creating hazmat situations?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (WFCe+)

34 I wish scotus would let it stand. Let California burn.

Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (Y6Wgg)

35 You can see how willing a society is to commit suicide by how it treats its homeless and mentally ill (BIRM). A sane society that wants to live keeps the mentally ill off the streets and locks them in asylums if necessary. That's better not only for society, but for the mentally ill as well. A society that wants to destroy itself allows -- even encourages -- these lunatics to wander among us committing violent and disgusting acts.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (iFTx/)

36 EVERYWHERE you find these people is a shit filled trash dump and an incubator for disease. They are a threat to public health and should be dealt with as such.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (pohLc)

37 Round them up and put them all on an island like we do wild horses around here

Posted by: nckate at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (4bYb7)

38 I thought that homeless encampments on public streets denied safe access for wheelchair/other physically compromised people.
This issue was brought up about a year ago and I thought it would get traction. It is only being used, I think, by the Biden administration as an excuse to get the NYPD squad cars off the sidewalks last night.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (F6UFz)

39 You can't sleep on a beach past closing time.

Wise latina...
Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:30 PM (krQz2)

https://tinyurl.com/yeynu659

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (di6C2)

40 The fact that the supreme court has to spend its time on issues like this is frightening in itself.

We have states abrogating federal law, federal agencies violating their own laws, and states refusing to comply with the US constitution, and they have to spend time deciding things like this?

What a joke.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (lTGtQ)

41 Judge Dredd has other ideas about writing his own laws.

See, this is how many of the black robed petty tyrants see themselves; omnipotent purveyors of laws.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (Q4IgG)

42 The 9th circuit really needs to be broken into 2 or 3 more circuits. Give the 4 Pacific states to the 9th and put the remaining states in the other circuit (s)

Posted by: Beartooth at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (XT+5H)

43 Dear Lord, that video has a pay phone in it.

Different world.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (di6C2)

44 Will this deal with the people living in broken down RVs everywhere too? Or is it just the Bidenville tent complexes in question?

Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (KKwfp)

45 I can't wait for Newsom to declare CA to be a homeless sanctuary, that SCOTUS can enforce their rulings with their armies, and that they will be doing everything possible to increase the homeless population in CA because Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (GBKbO)

46 Stop giving them anything.

"15 days to stop the spread"

Problem solved.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (ufFY8)

47 Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."

How about defecation and urination, also biological necessities?

And Kagan's supposed to be the "smart one" of the Marxist wing.

Posted by: spindrift at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (OguvZ)

48 Good thing that I can read "moron".
Posted by: Turn 2

Thank you. Damn fat thumbs on a phone keyboard.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (WFCe+)

49 See, this is how many of the black robed petty tyrants see themselves; omnipotent purveyors of laws.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (Q4IgG)

No where near as cool, though.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (di6C2)

50 There is a video out there if a person driving through Oakland.
It's insane.

Shanties made of scraps filling the median and right-of-ways, trash filling the gutters and piled everywhere, burnt out and partially stripped vehicles abandoned in several spots.

Indistinguishable from the worst of the third-world slums.

You will never see that reported on any major media.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (yikga)

51 It's a tad irritating that bums sleeping on the beach is more important than pistol braces.

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (9Ct69)

52 It would be interesting if the population of San Fran fell by half overnight. I'm not sure where they'd go, though. TBH, I don't care, as long as it isn't to NoVa, which it might well be.

OTOH, I doubt that the local government will ban public sleeping.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (CsUN+)

53 The logical conclusion of Kagan and Sotomayor's argument is, I think, anarchy. No laws would be allowed.

Posted by: WisRich at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (G0vdT)

54 34 I wish scotus would let it stand. Let California burn.
Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:31 PM (Y6Wgg)
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I don't disagree in theory. But that madness will spread if not checked. What happens in CA never stays in CA. Better to nip it in the bud.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (iFTx/)

55 ... Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public." ...
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Voiding one's bladder and bowels is also a "biological necessity." I guess laws against shitting in the street are unacceptable, too, right?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:33 PM (HnUIn)

56 Hawley is my Senator, and a good one.

Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2024 12:33 PM (PCK5/)

57 50 There is a video out there if a person driving through Oakland.
It's insane.

Shanties made of scraps filling the median and right-of-ways, trash filling the gutters and piled everywhere, burnt out and partially stripped vehicles abandoned in several spots.

Indistinguishable from the worst of the third-world slums.

You will never see that reported on any major media.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (yikga)

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Better or worse than Hoovervilles?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:33 PM (GBKbO)

58 The Bods is up.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:26 PM (WFCe+)

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Good thing that I can read "moron".
Posted by: Turn 2 at April 23, 2024 12:29 PM (JfxgE)

Considering that Ace is having quite a few GAINNZ, we might as well start calling him "The Bods."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at April 23, 2024 12:33 PM (Q0kLU)

59 ...the leftwing circus called the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decided to make up their own laws and imposed the rule that homeless people must be permitted to camp wherever they like, until and unless
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Seems that law is applied more liberally in some places and not enforced at all in others.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 23, 2024 12:33 PM (HzSHM)

60 The logical conclusion of Kagan and Sotomayor's argument is, I think, anarchy. No laws would be allowed.

Posted by: WisRich at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (G0vdT)
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Ya gotta have anarchy.

Otherwise you got fascism.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:33 PM (krQz2)

61 53 The logical conclusion of Kagan and Sotomayor's argument is, I think, anarchy. No laws would be allowed.
Posted by: WisRich at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (G0vdT)

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Well, except made up rules around NDAs.

Those get enforced with the full might of the federal government through local DA offices.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (GBKbO)

62 One of the things I think about here is how cities have effectively created the concept of public spaces. It exists in all sorts of laws, and has essentially corrupted the way humans interact, to the point where this is where we are.

Suppose you own a business, or you own buildings in which your rent space so others can operate businesses...

Who owns the sidewalk? Who owns the parking spaces in front of your building?

Seems to me much of this could be fixed if we simply started with the premise cities don't own the "public" spaces, except maybe... MAYBE the roads.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (B3xLp)

63 Seems that law is applied more liberally in some places and not enforced at all in others.
Posted by: Braenyard

Like near the ballpark but only around the AllStar game

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (CIS44)

64 wonder if the wide latina and the dammit doll have ever had sex ??

maybe on Soto but a definite no on Kagan

Posted by: yikes at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (us2H3)

65 The State of Oregon is about to regulate the Willamette River, which flows through the center of Portland, under the Clean Water Act, because there is so much trash in the river.

You'll never guess who is generating all the trash.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

66 "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
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Shitting is a biological necessity. If I chose to shit on Kagan's front porch or on the public sidewalk in front of her house, she'd be calling the cops.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (woPEM)

67
It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public.

Remember that guy who said he couldn't breathe?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (63Dwl)

68 There is a video out there if a person driving through Oakland.
It's insane.

Shanties made of scraps filling the median and right-of-ways, trash filling the gutters and piled everywhere, burnt out and partially stripped vehicles abandoned in several spots

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Also a video from Orange County of a guy biking with million dollar condos on e side and shantytowns on another. California is Brazil .

Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (Y6Wgg)

69 At least Illegals get nice hotel rooms to trash

Yes, but I've heard that room service is distinctly sub-par.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (CsUN+)

70 Hey, since I live in an apartment, do I get to stay here rent free??

I got to live somewhere. Well, is that the way it works?

Posted by: dantesed at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (Oy/m2)

71 51 It's a tad irritating that bums sleeping on the beach is more important than pistol braces.
Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (9Ct69)

I have to admit, the short barreled rifle stuff vs pistols has never made sense to me. Throw suppressors onto that pile.

Everything seems to be born of ignorance. It's like Hillary after the Vegas shooting/massacre where she said 'imagine if this guy was using a suppressor!?' You do realize it is not a video game, right?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (di6C2)

72 Shanties made of scraps filling the median and right-of-ways, trash filling the gutters and piled everywhere, burnt out and partially stripped vehicles abandoned in several spots.

Indistinguishable from the worst of the third-world slums.

You will never see that reported on any major media.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (yikga)

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Better or worse than Hoovervilles?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Ever see the pictures of the signs posted on the edges of towns?

"Keep on moving. We can't take care of our own people".

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (WFCe+)

73 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach,"
........

Give that lady another burrito.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (v0R5T)

74 However, the court's conservative justices have questioned where the line should be drawn between someone's conduct, which can be legally punished, and a status they are unable to change, which cannot be punished. They also suggested that homelessness is a complex policy problem and questioned whether courts should be responsible for managing it.
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What are the "statuses they are unable to change?"

They have no desire to work, and that hasn't changed.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (CsUN+)

75 Has there ever been a time when the Supreme Court didn't overturn the 9th Circus Court?

/only half-joking

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (/JOu+)

76 Perfect timing. Everything breaks and mad men are driving with heavy metal on the 8 track. Cranked up to 11.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (J8LnB)

77 Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
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These people are retards, right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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So shitting in public is also ok under this logic.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (diynw)

78 You'll never guess who is generating all the trash.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

Christian Nationalists?

Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (Y6Wgg)

79 52 It would be interesting if the population of San Fran fell by half overnight. I'm not sure where they'd go, though. TBH, I don't care, as long as it isn't to NoVa, which it might well be.

OTOH, I doubt that the local government will ban public sleeping.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 12:32 PM (CsUN+)

We give the homeless single adults very little, even in NoVa...that's why they don't come here.

Most benefits are volunteer-oriented (like donated sandwiches for lunch from Church volunteers) - they don't get any cash from the state or locality.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (exHjb)

80 lower court rulings that deemed it "cruel and unusual" to fine or jail individuals sleeping on public land

I'm old enough to remember when that was called vagrancy, and you did get jailed, fined and/or given a police escort out of town.

Posted by: Dave's not here, man at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (raPis)

81 "However, the court's conservative justices have questioned where the line should be drawn between someone's conduct, which can be legally punished, and a status they are unable to change, which cannot be punished."

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Sleeping all over cities like invading locusts *is* conduct and -- by their own statement -- can be legally punished. A status they are unable to change would be having black hair or green eyes. Homelessness can be changed if one takes advantage of all the free programs that exist to lift you out of it.

Ergo, round 'em up and ship 'em out.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (J2vNu)

82 There is a video out there if a person driving through Oakland.
It's insane.
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Oakland has had professional sports teams since I was a kid. Now, all their teams are moving to Vegas, which shows that the city isn't even safe for professional sports anymore.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (krQz2)

83 I have to admit, the short barreled rifle stuff vs pistols has never made sense to me. Throw suppressors onto that pile.
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Remember when (R)s controlled the House and Senate with the most conservative president in 100 years?

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (9Ct69)

84 ...while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity.

Oh, so I guess Supreme Court justices *are* biologists when it suits them to be.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (/y8xj)

85 "Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. "

Naw. Just murder them.

Posted by: fd at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (vFG9F)

86 @7

>>It's a good thing California and the other states in the Ninth Circuit came together through the representatives and affirmed this as something the people wanted.

"The People," haven't really mattered to the ruling class for at least the last 25 years, maybe longer.

I mean, California Pols have been trying to figure out how to get around Prop 13 since forever.

I'm legit surprised California hasn't sued the people claiming Prop 13 is an unconstitutional limiting of the states taxing authority.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (XV/Pl)

87 But the 10-20 new illegals will still be allowed to VOTE, right?

Or not even to show up to vote, just have their ballots cast (by Dems with long lists), since they are already (illegally) registered to vote.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (Cus5s)

88 73 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach,"
........

Give that lady another burrito.
Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (v0R5T)

With churros…

Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (PCK5/)

89 82 Oakland has had professional sports teams since I was a kid. Now, all their teams are moving to Vegas, which shows that the city isn't even safe for professional sports anymore.
Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (krQz2)

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With two already gone and the third still not 100% done (only about 90% done), the Oakland government is STILL doing nothing to try and make the A's want to stay.

The A's are moving to Sacramento for 2 years before their facilities are ready in Las Vegas.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (GBKbO)

90 You'll never guess who is generating all the trash.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

Christian Nationalists?
Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (Y6Wgg)
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So, the FIB?

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (krQz2)

91 You'll never guess who is generating all the trash.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

Quakers?

Posted by: dantesed at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (Oy/m2)

92 People don't run out of homes. They run out of relationships.
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Not one person homeless long-term today is there because of a single bad break.

They are there from a lifetime of bad choices.

But the myth of somehow someone losing everything in a stroke of bad luck won't die.
And is exploited ruthlessly by liberals to fund expansion of government programs.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (yikga)

93 Wait, does a SCOTUS Justice honestly believe babies can be arrested?

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (9Ct69)

94 So shitting in public is also ok under this logic.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 23, 2024 12:35 PM (diynw)
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Actually, Either Alito or Gorsuch made that exact argument, albeit with more gentile language.

Posted by: WisRich at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (G0vdT)

95 My read of the tea leaves based on what the judges were asking and saying isn't as optimistic as being reported here. The three liberals were all-in on the Ninth Circuit Madness. Shocker. That's three votes right there.

Even the conservative judges seemed willing to acknowledge some phony line between conduct, which can be punished, and some kind of "status" they supposedly can't change, which cannot be punished. That's not a good sign coming from judges that should kick this stupid Ninth Circuit madness right to the curb.

I expect this will be 5-4. Just not sure in which direction.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (iFTx/)

96 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach,"

That's okay.

"Things change, see. They don't sleep anymore on the beach."

https://youtu.be/7EGTD7azzWk

Posted by: mikeski at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (DgGvY)

97 The principle of Anatole France and The Bridges may be mooted by the concept of our bridges falling down all over the place.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (zdLoL)

98 83 Remember when (R)s controlled the House and Senate with the most conservative president in 100 years?
Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:36 PM (9Ct69)

=======

Perfect opportunity for Congress to bring all of those hidden, ready-made statutes that they've been promising for decades.

All right, Paul Ryan, let's get this party started!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (GBKbO)

99 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 23, 2024 12:27 PM (Wnv9h)

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I initially read that as "The Otters."

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (/JOu+)

100 Crowder did a good segment this morning on the squatters on college campi.

You know who's funding these groups? Why, the oligarchs of Qatar.

Weird.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (B3xLp)

101 @16

>>These people are retards, right?

Her yes, but generally, you're dealing with a class of people who contort logic, meaning, clear text, etc. in an effort to advance their agenda.

It's like charging someone for fraud with no victim.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (XV/Pl)

102 Actually, Either Alito or Gorsuch made that exact argument, albeit with more gentile language.
Posted by: WisRich at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (G0vdT)

Genteel? I am assuming they weren't Jewish already.

j/k from the pedantic jackass

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (di6C2)

103 65 The State of Oregon is about to regulate the Willamette River, which flows through the center of Portland, under the Clean Water Act, because there is so much trash in the river.

You'll never guess who is generating all the trash.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

They don't have Wa Chang (sp) down in Albany to blame anymore

Posted by: Beartooth at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (XT+5H)

104 Handicapping the SC… has become quite the rage.

Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (PCK5/)

105 wonder if the wide latina and the dammit doll have ever had sex ??

maybe on Soto but a definite no on Kagan
Posted by: yikes at April 23, 2024

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So you're saying that at least one of them wears comfortable shoes and has softball equipment in her car?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (J2vNu)

106 My mere presence will solve your all of this problems.

Posted by: Xi Jinping, General Secretary, CCP at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (w9Wax)

107
Genteel? I am assuming they weren't Jewish already.

j/k from the pedantic jackass
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (di6C2)
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Oops, thanks for the correction.

Posted by: WisRich at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (G0vdT)

108 104 Handicapping the SC… has become quite the rage.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (PCK5/)

Our version of Kremlinology.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (di6C2)

109 From what I've seen, the homeless are indistinguishable from pigs.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (pohLc)

110 Crowder did a good segment this morning on the squatters on college campi.

You know who's funding these groups? Why, the oligarchs of Qatar.

Weird.
Posted by: BurtTC

Isn't that where the Pali hierarchy lives?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (WFCe+)

111 Perfect opportunity for Congress to bring all of those hidden, ready-made statutes that they've been promising for decades.

All right, Paul Ryan, let's get this party started!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
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Except, if Tucker's right. They kowtow to the unelected IC because they don't want kiddie porn put on their computers and be arrested for it.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (krQz2)

112
They don't have Wa Chang (sp) down in Albany to blame anymore
Posted by: Beartooth at April 23, 2024

***
Everybody Wa Chang tonight!

Posted by: The Eighties at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (J2vNu)

113 Ben Shapiro is very angry at Pfizer, after 2 years.

https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/
1782475393448149429

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (cf/0E)

114 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. "
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Wtf is this DEI imbecile even talking about? This woman is dumber than a pile of bricks that's been fucked by retards.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (iFTx/)

115 Prop 13 will be gone within 10 years. Only people who want to keep it are old white home owners. They’re dying off. Their replacements loathe it.

I’m kinda surprised it hasn’t been nukes yet.

Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (Y6Wgg)

116 In other news, in accordance with the new mobilization law, the Ukrainian embassy in Warsaw is now refusing to renew the passports of Ukrainian men of military age living in Poland. The men will have to return to Ukraine to get their passports renewed, and of course will be drafted into the army the moment they return to Ukraine.

If the Russian government has a sense of humor, it would start offering Russian passports to the people that the Ukrainian government is denying passports to.

I wonder how many takers they would get?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (YAtuc)

117 Not one person homeless long-term today is there because of a single bad break.

They are there from a lifetime of bad choices.

But the myth of somehow someone losing everything in a stroke of bad luck won't die.
And is exploited ruthlessly by liberals to fund expansion of government programs.

I know you're wrong, because everyone of the people begging in a busy intersection has a placard that explains what bad break brought them to their current state.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (CsUN+)

118 From what I've seen, the homeless are indistinguishable from pigs.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

Pigs prefer to stay clean.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (WFCe+)

119 These homeless camp problems are the end result of California's 15 year de-incarceration efforts emptying jails and prisons coupled with the decriminalization of drug related crimes.

OK. Then what?

They simply moved the problem from the prison yard to the public square.

Any new housing facilities built with rehabilitation services in mind will have to be run like de-facto jails and prisons, anyway.

Posted by: Andrew at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (l3I0j)

120 They are there from a lifetime of bad choices.

But the myth of somehow someone losing everything in a stroke of bad luck won't die.
And is exploited ruthlessly by liberals to fund expansion of government programs.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (yikga)

Perhaps so, but damn near every one of them was raised in a hellish situation, abused and neglected in ways most people wouldn't have survived.

I'm not excusing behavior, just noting the problem doesn't start when some moron decides as an adult (or teen) they're going to be a menace to society. It starts earlier, usually way earlier.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (B3xLp)

121 Of this you may be assured-whatever sex was had by them was awkward, and unpleasant… Too mean?

Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (PCK5/)

122 Suppose you own a business, or you own buildings in which your rent space so others can operate businesses...

Who owns the sidewalk? Who owns the parking spaces in front of your building?

Seems to me much of this could be fixed if we simply started with the premise cities don't own the "public" spaces, except maybe... MAYBE the roads.

There's actually clear law on who owns the sidewalks, depending on the municipality. In my town, for example, the city owns the sidewalk, but homeowners and businesses are responsible for basic maintenance like weeding. Repairs are the responsibility of the city.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (Odg76)

123 >>One (1) aspect of the downfall of California isn't actually Gavin Newsom's doing, unbelievably enough.

Except he spent $25 billion and was unable to create enough shelter space. Also he continues to pay them benefits. Also he allows -- encourages and facilitates -- drug use. And crime.

This is not a housing problem.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (fkLbR)

124 109 From what I've seen, the homeless are indistinguishable from pigs.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (pohLc)
___________

"Fuck you!"

-- Pigs

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (iFTx/)

125 By the way homeless is not accepted PC language anymore. It’s unhoused bow.

I still prefer drug addicted bum.

Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (Y6Wgg)

126 A few years ago, a friend of ours saw a 'homeless' person outside a McDonald's, begging for money. She offered to buy her a meal instead, and asked her why she was homeless. She (a 16 yo) said her parents wouldn't let her boyfriend stay with them, so she is living with her boyfriend in the woods out in a tent.

Basically, her desire to fuck him was greater than her desire for shelter. Ridiculous.

This is only a single data point, but there are idiots like this, along with the truly mentally ill, and drug addicts (i.e. bums) that have burned every friendship and relationship.

I only have a modicum of sympathy for the clinically mentally ill.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (ufFY8)

127 Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."

so...shitting in the streets is ok, too?

Posted by: BignJames at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (AwYPR)

128 123 Except he spent $25 billion and was unable to create enough shelter space. Also he continues to pay them benefits. Also he allows -- encourages and facilitates -- drug use. And crime.

This is not a housing problem.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (fkLbR)

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He also promises free healthcare to everyone, including illegal immigrants.

Incentives don't matter, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (GBKbO)

129 All those homeless encampments need is an HOA. That'll square things right the fuck up....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (DIB8X)

130 9th Circuit should be broken into multiple ones. Totally uneven distribution of the circuits today.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (N1tpc)

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True. Just looked at a map, and it's totally out-of-proportion to today's population in The West (it was established in 1891) and covers a total of nine states, two territories, and with 29 active judgeships.

[Map:] http://tiny.cc/5q2uxz

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (/JOu+)

131 Babies are always shitting in public. Arrest them all.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (v0R5T)

132
But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public.

With or without a mask?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (63Dwl)

133 So shitting in public is also ok under this logic.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

Actually, Either Alito or Gorsuch made that exact argument, albeit with more gentile language.
Posted by: WisRich

And since baring one's body is necessary to piss, shit, bathe, or wash your clothes, there's an emanating penumbra here that should void all public indecency laws.

Posted by: mikeski at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (DgGvY)

134 Better or worse than Hoovervilles?
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If Hoovervilles were filled with illiterate lay-abouts having no intention of getting a job ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (yikga)

135 Isn't that where the Pali hierarchy lives?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (WFCe+)

Hmmm, you know, I think you might be right about that.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (B3xLp)

136 Who owns the sidewalk? Who owns the parking spaces in front of your building?
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Well, the status quo suggests it's almost the state that owns them, although the people of the municipality pay taxes for them, and should be able to control them, which means electing to keep them free of homeless, if so choosing.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (krQz2)

137 Any new housing facilities built with rehabilitation services in mind will have to be run like de-facto jails and prisons, anyway.

Posted by: Andrew at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (l3I0j)

This is a good point, but you assume that their purpose is rehabilitation instead of just releasing them back onto the streets unaltered.

Remember, if your driving impulse is that racism caused all of these people to be put in prison in the first place, you also do not believe that there is anything that needs to be changed or rehabilitated about them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (di6C2)

138 These are worse than the Hoovervilles. At heart, most of the homeless seem to be horders. And there is so much cheap junk in our society, that it's easy for them to drag around a lot of it. During the Hooverville days, folks didn't have much.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (4gmNz)

139 I ordered it a month ago but I still haven't got my weapon that fires 800 rounds a second

Posted by: yikes at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (us2H3)

140 But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public.

With or without a mask?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Dayum. That mic drop left a pothole.

Posted by: mikeski at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (DgGvY)

141 @113

>>Ben Shapiro is very angry at Pfizer, after 2 years.

>>Ben Shapiro admitting we were lied to by everyone including Pfizer, the government & the scientists compiled with new clips of him shaming people for asking questions

I mean, we knew this was a fraud from jump street, people like Shapiro, Alex Marlow, et al, were not just accepting of this but were malevolent against those who were calling bullsh*t on this.

Or alternatively....

Publius is owed an apology.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (XV/Pl)

142 Justice Kagen, eliminating waste is a biological necessity too, so by your reasoning, the homeless can line up to take dumps on your front walk and there is nothing you can do to stop them.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 23, 2024 12:44 PM (k4RKV)

143 Are there no workhouses for these people?

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:44 PM (krQz2)

144 Paul and Sid hardest hit.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 23, 2024 12:44 PM (CIS44)

145 There is always a pervasive penumbra around any homeless encampment…

Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2024 12:44 PM (PCK5/)

146 115 Prop 13 will be gone within 10 years. Only people who want to keep it are old white home owners. They’re dying off. Their replacements loathe it.

I’m kinda surprised it hasn’t been nukes yet.
Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (Y6Wgg)
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P13 is a state constitutional amendment, IIRC, which makes it harder to nuke. But otherwise I tend to agree with you.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:44 PM (iFTx/)

147 Ordinarily I'd agree let California burn, but the 9th Circus ruling covers a lot of other states, including not-batshit crazy Idaho, Montana and Alaska who are also bound by this ruling.

Posted by: the dandy at April 23, 2024 12:44 PM (w83EC)

148 The A's are moving to Sacramento for 2 years before their facilities are ready in Las Vegas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (GBKbO)

Missed opportunity. They should move to Wyoming.
*says Wyoming A's out loud with emphasis on the G*
*giggles*

Posted by: Doof at April 23, 2024 12:45 PM (gtY/l)

149 >>One (1) aspect of the downfall of California isn't actually Gavin Newsom's doing, unbelievably enough.

Except he spent $25 billion and was unable to create enough shelter space. Also he continues to pay them benefits. Also he allows -- encourages and facilitates -- drug use. And crime.

This is not a housing problem.

I have a genius solution. The right of way for the high speed trains (which will never be finished) is just sitting there unused. We should build a linear city a la Saudi Arabia, and put the bums there.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 12:45 PM (CsUN+)

150
139 I ordered it a month ago but I still haven't got my weapon that fires 800 rounds a second
Posted by: yikes at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (us2H3)

I got the upgrade with the 1000 bullets per second capability. It also came with a free thing that goes up.

Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:45 PM (Y6Wgg)

151 They are there from a lifetime of bad choices.

But the myth of somehow someone losing everything in a stroke of bad luck won't die.
And is exploited ruthlessly by liberals to fund expansion of government programs.

I know you're wrong, because everyone of the people begging in a busy intersection has a placard that explains what bad break brought them to their current state.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024

***
I'm reminded of the street corner guy I saw as I drove through Venice, CA, in 2014. His sign read "Spaceship Broken, Please Help."

If he'd been on my side of the street, I'd have given him a buck for entertaining me for a moment.

Posted by: The Eighties at April 23, 2024 12:45 PM (J2vNu)

152 There's actually clear law on who owns the sidewalks, depending on the municipality. In my town, for example, the city owns the sidewalk, but homeowners and businesses are responsible for basic maintenance like weeding. Repairs are the responsibility of the city.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 12:41 PM (Odg76)

Funny how cities don't really exist, as entities with rights and autonomy. We've devolved into believing such things as "the city owns..."

No, people own things. But we've decided to make the state an entity that operates like a person, and that is one of the fundamental reasons we are where we are.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:46 PM (B3xLp)

153 All those homeless encampments need is an HOA. That'll square things right the fuck up....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working
.......

Sorry, your tent is the wrong color. And you're behind in dues.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:46 PM (v0R5T)

154 Not one person homeless long-term today is there because of a single bad break.

They are there from a lifetime of bad choices.

In a very very high percentage of cases, people who are homeless long term are some combination of crazy and drug addicted. As cities have become much softer on homeless people, you see more people who are only drug addicted.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 12:46 PM (Odg76)

155 German MG-42?.

Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2024 12:46 PM (PCK5/)

156 Missed opportunity. They should move to Wyoming.
*says Wyoming A's out loud with emphasis on the G*
*giggles*

Posted by: Doof at April 23, 2024 12:45 PM (gtY/l)
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"The Rainbow" is their team colors.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (krQz2)

157 Hobo hunts back on?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (50n2b)

158 Drunk illegals driving pickups are putting a big dent in the traffic light hobos around here

Posted by: nckate at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (4bYb7)

159 How about shitting in public? Creating hazmat situations?

We can state unequivocally that this is also a protected biological necessity.

Posted by: San Francisco Health Dept. at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (ueHpO)

160 Ordinarily I'd agree let California burn, but the 9th Circus ruling covers a lot of other states, including not-batshit crazy Idaho, Montana and Alaska who are also bound by this ruling.
Posted by: the dandy at April 23, 2024 12:44 PM (w83EC)

Would any of those states enact laws like this though?

Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (Y6Wgg)

161 By the way homeless is not accepted PC language anymore. It’s unhoused bow.

I still prefer drug addicted bum.

Posted by: Montec at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (Y6Wgg)

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"They're dignified sparks of divinity and acts of love CHOOSING and EXPERIENCING the homelessness lifestyle, h8r!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (/JOu+)

162 Handicapping the SC… has become quite the rage.
Posted by: tubal

History repeats. Have a look at the Book of Judges.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (lTGtQ)

163 Sounds like the bums are going to feel a SCROTUS smacking their asses very soon. Time to cut them off from any welfare benefits and SSDI as well.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (aFNOf)

164 Babies are always shitting in public. Arrest them all.
Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (v0R5T)

Like the meme I saw the other day: Babies are allowed to kick pregnant women all the time, but when I do it.....

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:48 PM (B3xLp)

165 Sorry, your tent is the wrong color. And you're behind in dues.
Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:46 PM (v0R5T)
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You had a guest in your cardboard box and didn't inform the association.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:48 PM (krQz2)

166 From what I've seen, the homeless are indistinguishable from pigs.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (pohLc)

I'm willing to eat pigs because they're not riddled with disease....

That's a pretty big difference.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 23, 2024 12:48 PM (N1tpc)

167 How about shitting in public?

Tee-Hee!

Posted by: Smelly Sea Lions on the dock at April 23, 2024 12:48 PM (w9Wax)

168 These homeless camp problems are the end result of California's 15 year de-incarceration efforts emptying jails and prisons coupled with the decriminalization of drug related crimes.

Posted by: Andrew
__________

Some considerable part of it is also due to the way the disability act has been interpreted by scotus. The mentally ill have to be treated in the least restrictive setting, resulting in mass closures of institutions since the 90s.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 23, 2024 12:48 PM (diynw)

169 I know you're wrong, because everyone of the people begging in a busy intersection has a placard that explains what bad break brought them to their current state.
Posted by: Archimedes

--

First shift collecting tax free cash.

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:48 PM (9Ct69)

170 We should send all the homeless to Mexico. They owe us.

Posted by: brak at April 23, 2024 12:49 PM (AR07F)

171 well, I'm really old, so I'm conflicted with the shitting in public thingy

and I'm too proud to wear a diaper

Posted by: yikes at April 23, 2024 12:49 PM (us2H3)

172 Even if they do, there will still be tens of thousands of homeless people living on the streets because the democrats keep giving them ever increasing amounts of free $hit.
Posted by: Mister Scott

Late; but, this.
You reward with money the behavior you want to continue and increase.
Now do welfare to single mothers based on number of children.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 23, 2024 12:49 PM (He0D6)

173 OK, here me out; make a deal that for every homeless person and illegal alien we send Ukraine, Ukraine gets $1,000 from the US.

Since most of the recent illegals seem to be military-age males, Ukraine shouldn't have much of a problem with it.

We just have to make sure all the absentee ballots get 'lost in transit' like US military votes seem to be, and we're golden!

Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at April 23, 2024 12:50 PM (a9CYf)

174 Legal shitting in public would reduce the amount of "close calls".

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:50 PM (krQz2)

175 With or without a mask?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (63Dwl)

I saw a pic the other day, an org where the ladies tend to be in charge. The group of workers were all smiling. Except one.

Well, she might have been smiling, but she was the one wearing a mask. In 2024. I do at least appreciate you self-identifying as one of those people. The others might be, but you wouldn't know until you got too close.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:50 PM (B3xLp)

176 You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach…

…but walking on the beach without a mask, they’re totally liable for that.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 23, 2024 12:50 PM (EXyHK)

177 What are the "statuses they are unable to change?"

They have no desire to work, and that hasn't changed.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Under existing court decisions, one cannot be punished for something like homosexuality (which the courts have falsely decided based on bad science that one is born into it) despite it having some components that constitute action. So homelessness per se cannot be made illegal by a city but camping outside in public and private areas can be because they are not in effect necessary. Add in mental illness of street people where the Court decisions in the 70's opened the floodgates and you get our current crisis.
Classic example where the individualism of the 70's creates a tragedy of the commons in cities.

Gets complicated but I suspect that the 9th is going to get overruled here. Street druggies will be the hardest hit--they either have to clean up and live in shelters, spend time in the graybars motel, or leave to other destinations that will tolerate their druggie ness and mental illness components.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 12:50 PM (cViPl)

178 Afternoon Ace. Overturning Boise is the first step in many. There are any number of consent decrees that require people to be housed. That's one of the problem that NYC is facing when dealing with illegals. There are any number of Fed judges who treat these decrees like their private fiefdoms (Garafus in NY is one) . Get congress to do something and remove the issue from the cts

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2024 12:50 PM (Wjvnb)

179 Missed opportunity. They should move to Wyoming.
*says Wyoming A's out loud with emphasis on the G*
*giggles*

Posted by: Doof at April 23, 2024 12:45 PM (gtY/l)
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"The Rainbow" is their team colors.
Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:47 PM (krQz2)

Puts a whole new spin on the spring training schedule for when pitchers and catchers report

Posted by: Doof at April 23, 2024 12:51 PM (gtY/l)

180 152 There's actually clear law on who owns the sidewalks, depending on the municipality. In my town, for example, the city owns the sidewalk, but homeowners and businesses are responsible for basic maintenance like weeding. Repairs are the responsibility of the city.
Posted by: bonhomme
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We are the public, we own the public property. We employ bureaucrats and vote officials to administrate our property.
It's gotten out of hand.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 23, 2024 12:51 PM (HzSHM)

181 Meanwhile, at Harvard.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1779983231120552054

Imagine SNL doing this. Way way back when they were truth speaking to power, they might have. Ackroyd and Belushi would have killed it.

But today, in this version of Orwell's 1984 we live in, SNL would never ever.

Orwell had it arriving 40 years earlier than it actually did.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at April 23, 2024 12:51 PM (KiBMU)

182 Everything seems to be born of ignorance. It's like Hillary after the Vegas shooting/massacre where she said 'imagine if this guy was using a suppressor!?' You do realize it is not a video game, right?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

She imagines that people would be dropping dead for no apparent reason because gun shots would not be heard...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 23, 2024 12:51 PM (50n2b)

183 Perhaps so, but damn near every one of them was raised in a hellish situation, abused and neglected in ways most people wouldn't have survived.

-

And almost always known to the system/state at a young age, and instead of being helped they're pushed through high school with fingers crossed that they don't do anything too bad before they're 18.

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:51 PM (9Ct69)

184 #137.
I agree.
I was just trying to think how it might work in a rational and clear eyed world.
The real powers that be see these issues as vague abstractions.
Too many of the parties involved in the homeless industrial "delivery service" blob organizations are lazy, dimwitted, entitled.....and and more that a few are corrupt.

Posted by: Andrew at April 23, 2024 12:51 PM (l3I0j)

185 The A's are moving to Sacramento for 2 years before their facilities are ready in Las Vegas.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:37 PM (GBKbO)

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They should change their name to the Delta Smelts ... or better yet, the Hypomesus Transpacifici.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (/JOu+)

186 A few years ago, a friend of ours saw a 'homeless' person outside a McDonald's, begging for money. She offered to buy her a meal instead, and asked her why she was homeless. She (a 16 yo) said her parents wouldn't let her boyfriend stay with them, so she is living with her boyfriend in the woods out in a tent.

Basically, her desire to fuck him was greater than her desire for shelter. Ridiculous.

I've offered to buy meals for many homeless people. They nearly universally reject the offer. They want money.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (Odg76)

187 As long as this doesn't affect that nice cardboard box I have my eye on in the alley downtown for retirement.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (lRKQc)

188 They are there from a lifetime of bad choices.

But the myth of somehow someone losing everything in a stroke of bad luck won't die.
And is exploited ruthlessly by liberals to fund expansion of government programs.

I know you're wrong, because everyone of the people begging in a busy intersection has a placard that explains what bad break brought them to their current state.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024
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They are almost all -- like 95% -- mentally ill, and many of them seriously and violently so. I did lots of pro bono legal work when I was at the big firm, and it was a lot of leftwing pro-homeless shit (that's just the nature of the beast).

My pro bono clients were all fucked in the head. Some were relatively intelligent so long as they dutifully took their meds. But they rarely did. And they usually disappeared after a while, never to be seen again.

There's nothing that anyone can do for them. They are mentally ill and no force on Earth can change that.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (iFTx/)

189 Well, the status quo suggests it's almost the state that owns them, although the people of the municipality pay taxes for them, and should be able to control them, which means electing to keep them free of homeless, if so choosing.
Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (krQz2)

Point being, we've been conditioned to believe "the state owns."

A truly free people would recognize the absurdity of such a thing right away.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (B3xLp)

190 We should send all the homeless to Mexico. They owe us.
Posted by: brak at April 23, 2024 12:49 PM (AR07F)
......

and all the sodomites to Puerto Vallarta.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (v0R5T)

191 I know you're wrong, because everyone of the people begging in a busy intersection has a placard that explains what bad break brought them to their current state.

Posted by: Archimedes

I was approached by a guy riding a scooter in a grocery store parking lot...gave me his sad tale...asked if I could help him out. I said I didn't have any cash. No problem! He had a card reader for his phone.

Posted by: BignJames at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (AwYPR)

192 Gets complicated but I suspect that the 9th is going to get overruled here. Street druggies will be the hardest hit--they either have to clean up and live in shelters, spend time in the graybars motel, or leave to other destinations that will tolerate their druggie ness and mental illness components.
Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024

***
Like I said, Rowdy, head 'em up and move 'em out!

Posted by: Gil Favor at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (J2vNu)

193 Why isn't my house free? I already pay taxes, why do I have to make a house payment too? Why do I need to pay for own phone? Food?....

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (cKlsY)

194 Sotomayor asks if unhoused people should 'kill themselves' if they have no place to sleep.

Thank you Justice Sotomayor for your compassion. For saying what must be said. They should simply cease to be according to repub lawmakers. So the short answer is 'yes'.

'Outlaw public sleeping and the homeless will magically go away!' Sure they will. There are folks in our country who drool at the thought of killing homeless and illegal residents. You know, the 'good MAGAts'.

Just like when Agolf Shitler wanted to outlaw Covid-19 testing to make the numbers better. Typical Rethuglican pretzel logic.

more housing is needed. half way housing and facilities should be available. it's inhumane how we treat are fellow citizens who have problems. shame on us

tax the predatory billionaire club

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 23, 2024 12:53 PM (v0TuC)

195 There's actually clear law on who owns the sidewalks, depending on the municipality. In my town, for example, the city owns the sidewalk, but homeowners and businesses are responsible for basic maintenance like weeding. Repairs are the responsibility of the city.
Posted by: bonhomme

"Monopoly" taught me that it may be my property, but the city controls it and takes my money for them to upgrade it.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 23, 2024 12:53 PM (fkLbR)

196 We need moar Trank in the streets. Self solving problem.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 23, 2024 12:53 PM (aFNOf)

197 Are there no workhouses for these people?
Posted by: Axeman

Trailers for sale or rent
Rooms to let, fifty cents
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain't got no cigarettes
Ah, but two hours of pushing broom
Buys a eight by twelve four-bit room

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 12:54 PM (WFCe+)

198 I was approached by a guy riding a scooter in a grocery store parking lot...gave me his sad tale...asked if I could help him out. I said I didn't have any cash. No problem! He had a card reader for his phone.
Posted by: BignJames at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (AwYPR)

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O_o

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 23, 2024 12:54 PM (DRSnL)

199 63 Seems that law is applied more liberally in some places and not enforced at all in others.
Posted by: Braenyard

Like near the ballpark but only around the AllStar game
Posted by: BruceWayne
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I live in a town of ~150k. The weather is easy/pleasant, there are no urban campers.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 23, 2024 12:54 PM (HzSHM)

200 A few years ago, a friend of ours saw a 'homeless' person outside a McDonald's, begging for money. She offered to buy her a meal instead, and asked her why she was homeless. She (a 16 yo) said her parents wouldn't let her boyfriend stay with them, so she is living with her boyfriend in the woods out in a tent.

Basically, her desire to fuck him was greater than her desire for shelter. Ridiculous.

This is only a single data point, but there are idiots like this, along with the truly mentally ill, and drug addicts (i.e. bums) that have burned every friendship and relationship.

I only have a modicum of sympathy for the clinically mentally ill.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (ufFY

_________

That girl's story is almost certainly complete bullshit. But otherwise I agree.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:54 PM (iFTx/)

201 When I was living in Tampa, buddies and I grabbed lunch at this pizza place and ordered too much. Took some to go in a clear plastic container.

Homeless dude shouts to me, "You ain't going to eat all that."

I looked at the box and shouted back, "You're right."

Handed him the box and he was shocked (and happy).

I was shocked that he actually accepted the food and didn't ask for cash instead.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 23, 2024 12:54 PM (KbCG3)

202 176 You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach…
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One does however arrest those using drugs, defecating, and having sex on the beaches.

One does not preclude the other which is the silliness of modern leftism. There is literally no boundary that they are willing to accept for their peeps but every calumny and punishment that can be conjured by government for the 'squares'.

Idiotic beautiful loser sentiments where a drugged out zombie is worth more than a poor sob taxpayer struggling to keep a roof over his head, his kids from being transed at the public school, and keeping from being assaulted by bums when he goes to work. Asshole leftism that applies the punishment to those that the upper class deems deplorable and uses the various criminals, illegals, and mentally ill to do it.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 12:54 PM (cViPl)

203 Under existing court decisions, one cannot be punished for something like homosexuality (which the courts have falsely decided based on bad science that one is born into it) despite it having some components that constitute action. So homelessness per se cannot be made illegal by a city but camping outside in public and private areas can be because they are not in effect necessary. ...
Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 12:50 PM (cViPl)
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That was my suspicion. That is also insane. Whether you have a house or not is not some natural phenomenon, and is not intrinsically part of your makeup with no ability to change it. Willingness may be - usually is - lacking, or possibly even means, but it is not an immutable natural fact.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:54 PM (HnUIn)

204 From what I've seen, the homeless are indistinguishable from pigs.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 12:39 PM (pohLc)

I'm willing to eat pigs because they're not riddled with disease....

That's a pretty big difference.
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A wild pig can be captured and rehabilitated with a diet of corn to return the meat to edible.

Your average hobo is inedible, tough and stringy, and even the value of the pelt has significantly declined as the hide cannot be rendered and tanned due to poor diet, drug addiction and diseases endemic to the herds.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024 12:55 PM (yikga)

205 194 more housing is needed. half way housing and facilities should be available. it's inhumane how we treat are fellow citizens who have problems. shame on us

tax the predatory billionaire club
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 23, 2024 12:53 PM (v0TuC)

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1. Why isn't California filled with free housing for everyone? There are no Republicans anymore. Why aren't you mad at CA Democrats for failing to bring about utopia?

2. I don't object anymore. Do it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 12:55 PM (GBKbO)

206 And almost always known to the system/state at a young age

We create the solutions that create the problems that we solve. Surprisingly, it's quite lucrative!

Posted by: The System at April 23, 2024 12:55 PM (FrKFd)

207 And almost always known to the system/state at a young age, and instead of being helped they're pushed through high school with fingers crossed that they don't do anything too bad before they're 18.
Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:51 PM (9Ct69)

Not only that, but large swaths of these very same people are now celebrated, to the point where you aren't allowed to point out the flaws of their actions.

So here we are.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:55 PM (B3xLp)

208 This busty bikini brunette fled California because she doesn't like dodging shit, vagrants and the associated jetsam and flotsam of failed blue governance - but she increasingly wonders if she'll have to completely expatriate:
http://tiny.cc/nr2uxz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (HnUIn)

209 Basically, her desire to fuck him was greater than her desire for shelter. Ridiculous.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (ufFY
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Maslow's triangle ain't so sciency after all.

Gays have been spurning family that doesn't totally let them "express themselves" for decades.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (krQz2)

210 It's almost like shuttering all of the mental asylums was a bad idea.

Huh, weird.

Posted by: ballistic at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (oqH4h)

211 Meanwhile, at Harvard.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1779983231120552054

Posted by: Mr Gaga at April 23, 2024 12:51 PM (KiBMU)

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DANG

ace has got to see that

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (9Ct69)

212 There's nothing that anyone can do for them. They are mentally ill and no force on Earth can change that.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (iFTx

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WROOOOOOONG!!!!!

Ever heard of gender afirming care????

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (cKlsY)

213 Too bad the solicitor answering the questions posed by the two dumbass SCOTUS judges couldn't just laugh out loud, and call them out on their dumbassery. It should be OK for dumbassery to be pointed out and laughed at when it occurs.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (DIB8X)

214 Since when have we stopped calling them Urban Outdoorsmen?

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (ZV+pB)

215 ROF MG-42 was 1200-1500 RPM. So was the rate of fire for the aircraft version of the Browning 1919 30 or AN/M2 machine gun.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 12:57 PM (pohLc)

216 Hobos love free pizza.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:57 PM (v0R5T)

217 a sous vide hobo is considered a delicacy in many countries

taste a lot like dog

Posted by: Bammy at April 23, 2024 12:57 PM (us2H3)

218 One does not preclude the other which is the silliness of modern leftism. There is literally no boundary that they are willing to accept for their peeps but every calumny and punishment that can be conjured by government for the 'squares'.

"You can smoke the Baloney Pony at a bus stop, but light up one Marlboro, and...!"

Posted by: Andrew Dice Clay at April 23, 2024 12:57 PM (FrKFd)

219 They are almost all -- like 95% -- mentally ill, and many of them seriously and violently so. I did lots of pro bono legal work when I was at the big firm, and it was a lot of leftwing pro-homeless shit (that's just the nature of the beast).

My pro bono clients were all fucked in the head. Some were relatively intelligent so long as they dutifully took their meds. But they rarely did. And they usually disappeared after a while, never to be seen again.

There's nothing that anyone can do for them. They are mentally ill and no force on Earth can change that.

You can do something about it, but we choose not to. Involuntary commitment used to be a thing, and panhandling, sleeping in parks, and public defecation were not.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 12:57 PM (CsUN+)

220 206 And almost always known to the system/state at a young age

We create the solutions that create the problems that we solve. Surprisingly, it's quite lucrative!
Posted by: The System

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As a bonus, all those workers are their workforce for controlling elections.

This system could not exist without printing a lot of money.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 23, 2024 12:58 PM (fkLbR)

221 208 This busty bikini brunette fled California because she doesn't like dodging shit, vagrants and the associated jetsam and flotsam of failed blue governance - but she increasingly wonders if she'll have to completely expatriate:
http://tiny.cc/nr2uxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

She appears to be assessing my net worth in that photo -or- possibly checking out the bulge in my shorts. Would hit.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 23, 2024 12:58 PM (aFNOf)

222 Stephanie in that Camzyos commercial is strangely fascinating, showing her rack and ass while doing yoga on a bright blue mat.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at April 23, 2024 12:58 PM (ufFY8)

223 Why isn't my house free? I already pay taxes, why do I have to make a house payment too? Why do I need to pay for own phone? Food?....
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (cKlsY)

Exactly. If the government can just print money, why do I have to pay for anything, especially taxes?

In a free society, such things as mandatory confiscation of wealth by a government would seem to be insane.

Oh wait, I think I found the problem.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 12:58 PM (B3xLp)

224 131 Babies are always shitting in public. Arrest them all.
Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 12:43 PM (v0R5T)

So is Jerry Nadler. Recall his "oh shit" moment standing near the mic at a press conference.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 23, 2024 12:59 PM (N39Ws)

225 There's nothing that anyone can do for them. They are mentally ill and no force on Earth can change that.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 12:52 PM (iFTx

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WROOOOOOONG!!!!!

Ever heard of gender afirming care????
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (cKlsY)
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Death cures all things.

Posted by: Canada at April 23, 2024 12:59 PM (krQz2)

226 Asshole leftism that applies the punishment to those that the upper class deems deplorable and uses the various criminals, illegals, and mentally ill to do it.

Solzhenitsyn described a very similar system among the zeks in the gulag. Actual criminals were used as the shock troops to beat down and intimidate the politicals.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 01:00 PM (CsUN+)

227 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
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These people are retards, right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

If the baby wakes up and starts taking hits off of a meth pipe, hassles people for money, robs local businesses for drug/booze money, leaves needles and trash all over the area because they can't be bothered to find a trash can, gets in bum fights with other babies...yes, we arrest the baby.

Posted by: Cheri at April 23, 2024 01:00 PM (oiNtH)

228 Under existing court decisions, one cannot be punished for something like homosexuality (which the courts have falsely decided based on bad science that one is born into it) despite it having some components that constitute action. So homelessness per se cannot be made illegal by a city but camping outside in public and private areas can be because they are not in effect necessary. ...
Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 12:50 PM (cViPl)

So if someone is a homicidal lunatic through no fault of their own, there is nothing to be done about them?

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 01:00 PM (CsUN+)

229 There's nothing that anyone can do for them. They are mentally ill and no force on Earth can change that.

You can do something about it, but we choose not to. Involuntary commitment used to be a thing, and panhandling, sleeping in parks, and public defecation were not.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 12:57 PM (CsUN+)
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Correct. I meant there is nothing that can be done to help them. They are forever fucked up and need to be locked away.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (iFTx/)

230 They just will not fit in. I kinda get it - except for the entire sleeping on a bench outside part.

So what do you do ? I honestly do not know. They are Feral Humans. And we could deal with that - except I'm a Feral Human if you ask some here. And so are many of you.

I dunno'.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (YuQUY)

231 226 Asshole leftism that applies the punishment to those that the upper class deems deplorable and uses the various criminals, illegals, and mentally ill to do it.

Solzhenitsyn described a very similar system among the zeks in the gulag. Actual criminals were used as the shock troops to beat down and intimidate the politicals.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 01:00 PM (CsUN+)

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The Testament of Dr. Mabuse is the movie of our times!

"The ultimate purpose of crime is to establish the endless empire of crime. A state of complete insecurity and anarchy, founded upon the tainted ideals of a world doomed to annihilation. When humanity, subjugated by the terror of crime, has been driven insane by fear and horror, and when chaos has become supreme law, then the time will have come for the empire of crime."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (GBKbO)

232 We need a better way of selecting jurists and an easier one to get rid of them:

NYC Man Convicted Over Gunsmithing Hobby After Judge Says 2nd Amendment 'Doesn't Exist in This Courtroom'
"She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"
https://tinyurl.com/2kn5dnbt

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (IG4Id)

233 Your average hobo is inedible, tough and stringy, and even the value of the pelt has significantly declined as the hide cannot be rendered and tanned due to poor diet, drug addiction and diseases endemic to the herds.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024

***
I could have taught these people so much; but noooo . . .

Posted by: Zombie Jame Gumb, aka Buffalo Bill at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (J2vNu)

234 Columbia U admits defeat. They announced all classes will be remote for the rest of the school year.

http://tiny.cc/9s2uxz

Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (Odg76)

235 I only have a modicum of sympathy for the clinically mentally ill.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 23, 2024 12:42 PM (ufFY
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It's the courts - again - Only a few decades ago the courts made it virtually impossible to permanently commit a person to a controlled environment. We called the asylums and they were mostly a self supporting place where people who could not manage their lives were placed. Placed there for their benefit and society's.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 23, 2024 01:02 PM (HzSHM)

236 If the homeless are essentially babies, can we late term abort them? Or retroactively?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 01:02 PM (pohLc)

237 When I was living in Tampa, buddies and I grabbed lunch at this pizza place and ordered too much. Took some to go in a clear plastic container.

Homeless dude shouts to me, "You ain't going to eat all that."

I looked at the box and shouted back, "You're right."

Handed him the box and he was shocked (and happy).

I was shocked that he actually accepted the food and didn't ask for cash instead.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

I would have poured it out on the pavement and stomped it into a paste.

Yeah. I'm a dick.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 01:02 PM (WFCe+)

238 "She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"
https://tinyurl.com/2kn5dnbt
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (IG4Id)
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Overturn every single conviction where she was the judge.

All of them. She is clearly running an unconstitutional and dishonest court, and everything she has adjudicated is tainted.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 01:02 PM (HnUIn)

239 16 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
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These people are retards, right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:28 PM (HnUIn)

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Yes, that's right.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 23, 2024 01:02 PM (JeYYB)

240 Columbia U admits defeat. They announced all classes will be remote for the rest of the school year. ...
Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (Odg76)
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I hope they get sued. They're not providing the service they agreed to provide when they accepted the payment.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (HnUIn)

241 This busty bikini brunette fled California because she doesn't like dodging shit, vagrants and the associated jetsam and flotsam of failed blue governance - but she increasingly wonders if she'll have to completely expatriate:
http://tiny.cc/nr2uxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (HnUIn)

Yacht girl. Wouldn't touch me with a 10-foot pole.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (Q0kLU)

242 Death cures all things.
Posted by: Canada
Give a cold hobo a blanket and he'll be warm for the night. Light him/her on fire and they'll be warm for eternity.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (aFNOf)

243 234 Columbia U admits defeat. They announced all classes will be remote for the rest of the school year.

http://tiny.cc/9s2uxz
Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (Odg76)

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So, Hamas protestors are as bad as covid or worse than covid, I guess.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

244 This busty bikini brunette fled California because she doesn't like dodging shit, vagrants and the associated jetsam and flotsam of failed blue governance - but she increasingly wonders if she'll have to completely expatriate:
http://tiny.cc/nr2uxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 12:56 PM (HnUIn)

She's very pretty, but someone told her she needed to fill her chest with sand.

Sorry, those lopsided fake bags are not attractive, honey.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (B3xLp)

245 These people are retards, right?

DEI hire and an AWFL, so yeah pretty much

Posted by: brak at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (AR07F)

246 That was my suspicion. That is also insane. Whether you have a house or not is not some natural phenomenon, and is not intrinsically part of your makeup with no ability to change it. Willingness may be - usually is - lacking, or possibly even means, but it is not an immutable natural fact.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Scotus created much of the homelessness crisis when they made it difficult to treat the mentally ill if they were not willing to be treated. The folks that like them some drugs to 'party' are also to blame and the whole whattaboutism about alcohol compared to illegal drugs is annoying.

Running natural experiments allowing people with mental illness to treat themselves with the drugs du jour and live how they want to live in public places or squatting on private property results in the same mess in cities that Britain got into after the Enclosures Act and gin.

In some ways, our path is worse than theirs in that we enable by direct government spending to make the situation worse in our cities for citizens which makes them unlivable unless you have the means to screen them out of your life via politics or wealth.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (cViPl)

247 NYC Man Convicted Over Gunsmithing Hobby After Judge Says 2nd Amendment 'Doesn't Exist in This Courtroom'
"She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"
https://tinyurl.com/2kn5dnbt

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (IG4Id)
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Judge is the least representative, least "democratic" method of government.

"No on is above the law", but the "Supreme Law of the Land" ... "doesn't exist in [her] court".

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 01:04 PM (krQz2)

248 >Columbia U admits defeat. They announced all classes will be remote for the rest of the school year.

What about labs and suchlike?

Posted by: mr tmz at April 23, 2024 01:04 PM (rJ48h)

249 Agolf Shitler?

Is that supposed to be Trump?

Would have been more appropriate for the DogEater ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 23, 2024 01:04 PM (/JOu+)

250 Give a cold hobo a blanket and he'll be warm for the night. Light him/her on fire and they'll be warm for eternity.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (aFNOf)
++++
If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a night.
If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 01:04 PM (HnUIn)

251 Yacht girl. Wouldn't touch me with a 10-foot pole.

S'okay, because she has resting boat face.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 01:04 PM (CsUN+)

252 NYC Man Convicted Over Gunsmithing Hobby After Judge Says 2nd Amendment 'Doesn't Exist in This Courtroom'
"She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"
https://tinyurl.com/2kn5dnbt
Posted by: weft cut-loop

I read this last night and there was not enough info. It seems the guy *did* violate the law, and the lawyer was going for a nullification defense -- which is legal, but most judges are hostile to. It seems the judge was warning against using such a defense. I was tired when I read it though, so I may have missed a bit.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 23, 2024 01:04 PM (fkLbR)

253 Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 23, 2024 12:40 PM (cf/0E

Shapiro is a putz. Anyone who believed they came up with an mrna vaccine after complete failure for 20 years is an idiot.

Posted by: Dandalo at April 23, 2024 01:05 PM (VtYZF)

254 what was the hatching chickens thin again? Beuller?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at April 23, 2024 01:05 PM (as3uC)

255 Death cures all things.
Posted by: Canada
Give a cold hobo a blanket and he'll be warm for the night. Light him/her on fire and they'll be warm for eternity.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 23, 2024 01:03 PM (aFNOf)
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And might even warm their neighbors a tad.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 01:05 PM (krQz2)

256 65 The State of Oregon is about to regulate the Willamette River, which flows through the center of Portland, under the Clean Water Act, because there is so much trash in the river.

You'll never guess who is generating all the trash.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2024 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

MAGA?

Posted by: Inogame at April 23, 2024 01:05 PM (53oGX)

257 >> Would any of those states enact laws like this though?

Anchorage has been frustrated at every turn trying to clear out homeless encampments thanks to this ruling and the ACLU.

Posted by: the dandy at April 23, 2024 01:05 PM (w83EC)

258 If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a night.
If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 23, 2024 01:04 PM (HnUIn)

Solid reasoning right there.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 01:05 PM (pohLc)

259 This busty bikini brunette fled California because she doesn't like dodging shit, vagrants and the associated jetsam and flotsam of failed blue governance - but she increasingly wonders if she'll have to completely expatriate:
http://tiny.cc/nr2uxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
.......

She looks bored.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 01:06 PM (v0R5T)

260 Had a homeless guy turn down a sandwich once because it was not on whole grain bread. "White bread is poison, man!" Unsurprisingly this was in Eugene, Oregon.

Posted by: MammaB at April 23, 2024 01:06 PM (UTs2h)

261 And almost always known to the system/state at a young age

We create the solutions that create the problems that we solve. Surprisingly, it's quite lucrative!
Posted by: The System

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Yep. And the problem can't be solved without resulting in massive unemployment. Think of all the social work degrees, books, programs, court related systems, secondary and tertiary support systems, etc. that are completely reliant on just that tiny little element of "kids in trouble."

Nothing can be fixed without people losing their jobs, so nothing will be fixed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 01:06 PM (9Ct69)

262 These people are retards, right?
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Ideology over reality always makes one foolish. The leftist lawyer perspective is never right reasoning but Marxism. The decision is whether the person before the court is the oppressed or the oppressor. Oppressors get the chair, the oppressed get whatever they want from the court.

Nasty process that does not resemble the rule of law in the least.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 01:06 PM (cViPl)

263 Columbia U admits defeat. They announced all classes will be remote for the rest of the school year.

Gonna be a lot of perfect scores this year in the law school!

Posted by: Mail-In Papers and Tests at April 23, 2024 01:06 PM (FrKFd)

264 Columbia U admits defeat. They announced all classes will be remote for the rest of the school year.

http://tiny.cc/9s2uxz
Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM

Shut it down. Repurpose the land. A landfill would be more useful.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 23, 2024 01:07 PM (Wnv9h)

265 Anchorage has been frustrated at every turn trying to clear out homeless encampments thanks to this ruling and the ACLU.
Posted by: the dandy at April 23, 2024

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Anchorage? The vagrants would all freeze come October, if not earlier. Problem solved.

Posted by: Zombie Jame Gumb, aka Buffalo Bill at April 23, 2024 01:07 PM (J2vNu)

266 So what do you do ? I honestly do not know. They are Feral Humans. And we could deal with that - except I'm a Feral Human if you ask some here. And so are many of you.

I dunno'.
Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (YuQUY)

My thing is, you can be as feral as you like. On your own private property. What you don't have the right to do is impose it on the rest of us, in our homes, on our land, around our businesses.

Which is why the state being perceived as the "owners" of all public land creates the problem for the rest of us, because the state owns these people too, so you just have to deal with it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2024 01:07 PM (B3xLp)

267 "Judge Sotomayor..."

Oh, another absolutely retarded comment is coming out of her pie hole? Who cares?

Posted by: Mr. Fabulist at April 23, 2024 01:07 PM (kIwCj)

268 Gee, what did we do before we allowed people to sleep on the streets?

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at April 23, 2024 01:08 PM (nLFEI)

269 Anchorage has been frustrated at every turn trying to clear out homeless encampments thanks to this ruling and the ACLU.

Just put grizzly bear bait in the homeless camps. Problem solved.

Posted by: brak at April 23, 2024 01:08 PM (AR07F)

270 Columbia U ~~admits defeat~~ announces surrender. They announced all classes will be remote for the rest of the school year.

Edited for accuracy.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (/y8xj)

271 You'll never guess who is generating all the trash.

The People of the Blue Tarp? Just wild speculation on my part.

Posted by: t-bird at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (FrKFd)

272 Gee, what did we do before we allowed people to sleep on the streets?

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at April 23, 2024 01:08 PM (nLFEI)
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Lynch black people. -- Democrats

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (krQz2)

273 We need a better way of selecting jurists and an easier one to get rid of them:

NYC Man Convicted Over Gunsmithing Hobby After Judge Says 2nd Amendment 'Doesn't Exist in This Courtroom'
"She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"
https://tinyurl.com/2kn5dnbt

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (IG4Id)

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Sounds just like Trump's asshat judge's take on The Donald's First Amendment rights.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (/JOu+)

274 NYC Man Convicted Over Gunsmithing Hobby After Judge Says 2nd Amendment 'Doesn't Exist in This Courtroom'
"She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"
https://tinyurl.com/2kn5dnbt
Posted by: weft cut-loop
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She should be disbarred from the bench and her law license put in the dock.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (HzSHM)

275 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."

I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen birdbaths that were deeper than this judicial "reasoning". But, if it gets them to make the right call, what do I know?

Posted by: Stu Podaso at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (2S68S)

276 Anchorage? The vagrants would all freeze come October, if not earlier. Problem solved.
Posted by: Zombie Jame Gumb, aka Buffalo Bill at April 23, 2024 01:07 PM (J2vNu)

Current temperature in Anchorage is 36F. It still freezes every night up there.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (pohLc)

277 This busty bikini brunette fled California because she doesn't like dodging shit, vagrants and the associated jetsam and flotsam of failed blue governance - but she increasingly wonders if she'll have to completely expatriate:
http://tiny.cc/nr2uxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
.......

She looks bored.
Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 01:06 PM

Yacht Thot.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 23, 2024 01:10 PM (Wnv9h)

278 Sotomayor is literally the dumbest person ever to grace the Supreme court. Kagen, I disagree with, but at least she isn't spouting nonsense. Sotomayor can't even get the law right.

I and I should know, because I'm, El Mariachi, Attorney at Law.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at April 23, 2024 01:10 PM (nLFEI)

279 234 Columbia U admits defeat. They announced all classes will be remote for the rest of the school year.

http://tiny.cc/9s2uxz
Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (Odg76)

Columbia U can ask them to leave, then have the cops put trespass orders on them. Get the fire department out and use the hoses to drive them away. (They all could use a bath anyways)

These are but a few ways Columbia U can deal with the situation.

But lets shut classes down. So much for R&D.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 23, 2024 01:10 PM (N39Ws)

280 "I live in a town of ~150k. The weather is easy/pleasant, there are no urban campers." Posted by: Braenyard

Powers That Be seem to want the illegals and druggies concentrated in Big Cities. For one, they can consolidate their mere presence for more US reps.

Two, they can steal their votes via the arcane theft machine that has been in operation for decades, after hours, every citizen (or non-citizen) will have a ballot cast for them.

Three ... they can ? collect graft from the cartels that are embedded deeper every day, in BigCity criminal gangs. Or is it the WEF and globalists organizing the invaders (like Soros and other "humanitarians")?

Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2024 01:10 PM (Cus5s)

281 73 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach,"

Governor Gavin COVID-idiot Newsom did. Go get another plate of greasy sopapillas, Wise Latinx.

Posted by: Gref at April 23, 2024 01:10 PM (5fDan)

282 272 Gee, what did we do before we allowed people to sleep on the streets?

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at April 23, 2024 01:08 PM (nLFEI)
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In the old days they had vagrant laws and the sheriffs would run them out of town

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2024 01:11 PM (Akjoo)

283 OT: I started watching The Sympathizer on Max last night, because the trailer has Robert Downey Jr in it, and he's usually pretty good. I didn't really know what it was about, but in the first 10 minutes or so, you figure out that it's another anti-Vietnam war, anti-America screed. I thought we were done with those decades ago (at least the former). Anyway, it received the click it deserved. Don't waste your time.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 01:11 PM (CsUN+)

284 Yep. And the problem can't be solved without resulting in massive unemployment. Think of all the social work degrees, books, programs, court related systems, secondary and tertiary support systems, etc. that are completely reliant on just that tiny little element of "kids in trouble."

Nothing can be fixed without people losing their jobs, so nothing will be fixed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Fairly easy to fix the situation but neither the courts nor the legislatures want to do it. First, reopen all the state hospitals and staff them properly. Second, mandatory drug treatment programs with lengthy probation terms on all drug offenses requiring mandatory drug testing at regular intervals or being treated behind bars.
Third, as in this case, allow cities and states to prevent druggies and mentally ill from taking over the streets and fund flophouses that take them in but require them to live by rules.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 01:11 PM (cViPl)

285 People who sleep outside don't just sleep outside.

They also piss and defecate outside.

Is public defecation a Constitutional right?

Sonya Sodatomato seems to think yes.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 23, 2024 01:12 PM (Y/3rm)

286 She should be disbarred from the bench and her law license put in the dock.

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Wow, that's a LOT nicer than what I was thinking should happen to a judge that is on record as saying the Constitution doesn't exist in her courtroom.

Posted by: Moron Robbie hypothesizes that bin Laden won the heck out of 9/11, didn't he? at April 23, 2024 01:12 PM (9Ct69)

287 275 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them. You don't arrest people who are sleeping on the beach," while Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."

People have to shit, it's a biological necessity, but we don't let them shit just anywhere. We also let babies shit their pants in public, but frown on when adults do it.

What a dumbass.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at April 23, 2024 01:12 PM (nLFEI)

288 Sotomayor is literally the dumbest person ever to grace the Supreme court. Kagen, I disagree with, but at least she isn't spouting nonsense. Sotomayor can't even get the law right.

Really? I'd have given the honor to Jumanji Not-a-Biologist.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 01:12 PM (CsUN+)

289 I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen birdbaths that were deeper than this judicial "reasoning". But, if it gets them to make the right call, what do I know?
Posted by: Stu Podaso at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (2S68S)
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That's what I mean. I'm not totally against her argument about "wise Latinas". But the problem is, in order to fill that role you have to be wise, not just a Latina.

Whether or not you can sleep on the beach is not some technical matter of law, but an easily accessible concept. So why is she not able to get it right. Sure, you can sleep on the beach...during hours that it is open. No beach that I know is open over night.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 01:13 PM (krQz2)

290 Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
.......

Unless it's Trump.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 01:13 PM (v0R5T)

291 So, is this the Supreme Court decision that's going to ignite the Dem base and get them to vote for Biden? It's getting close to summer after all.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 23, 2024 01:14 PM (BxvY+)

292 282 272 Gee, what did we do before we allowed people to sleep on the streets? Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at April 23, 2024 01:08 PM (nLFEI)
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In the old days they had vagrant laws and the sheriffs would run them out of town
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And they would take the hint, get a job, and find a place to live.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at April 23, 2024 01:14 PM (nLFEI)

293 So lets kick all the illegals out of the hotels and free housing and put the "homeless" there...

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2024 01:15 PM (Akjoo)

294 Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
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There's a scientific basis that justifies racism, e.g. survival of the tribe.

So that's where your logic leads .....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2024 01:15 PM (yikga)

295 "My thing is, you can be as feral as you like. On your own private property. "

If I want to walk around in a loincloth in my yard, who are you to criticize my culture?

Posted by: fd at April 23, 2024 01:15 PM (vFG9F)

296 Way yoo many fucking laws were broken hoing after this guy. People need to pay with their lives for this kind of constitutional overreach.

A Brooklyn man has been convicted of 13 weapons charges after having been arrested and charged in 2022 for building his own firearms. Dexter Taylor’s ordeal could become a landmark Second Amendment case in light of the Bruen ruling handed down in the same year.

Taylor, a 52-year-old New York native and a software engineer, discovered the world of gunsmithing years ago. He decided to take it up as a hobby and possibly turn it into a business later. However, when a joint ATF/NYPD task force discovered he was legally buying parts from various companies, they opened up an investigation that led to a SWAT raid and arrest.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 01:16 PM (WFCe+)

297 295 If I want to walk around in a loincloth in my yard, who are you to criticize my culture?
Posted by: fd at April 23, 2024 01:15 PM (vFG9F)

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Conan would not remain in his own yard. He would take his sword into your yard and conquer it with blood.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 23, 2024 01:16 PM (GBKbO)

298 272 Gee, what did we do before we allowed people to sleep on the streets? Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law

Hoped they hopped a train where the bulls would take them out with steel balls attached to chains?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 23, 2024 01:16 PM (aFNOf)

299 Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."

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Defecation is also a biological necessity. Your move, judge.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at April 23, 2024 01:16 PM (FOGs2)

300 Unleash the cannibals.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 01:16 PM (v0R5T)

301 "My thing is, you can be as feral as you like. On your own private property. "

If I want to walk around in a loincloth in my yard, who are you to criticize my culture?

Within limits. You can't walk around naked in your front yard.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 01:17 PM (CsUN+)

302 I’m just a caveman, but one thing I do know is that Sotomayor is a fucking retard.

Posted by: Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer at April 23, 2024 01:17 PM (u73oe)

303 Taking a leak is a biological necessity too. Taking a leak in a cemetery is free speech. Biological free speech.

Posted by: fd at April 23, 2024 01:17 PM (vFG9F)

304 287 275 Justice Sotomayor argued that "You don't arrest babies who have blankets over them

90% of the "un-housed" are druggies, alcoholic's or mental cases or all 3...Not a lot of Babies among them

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2024 01:17 PM (Akjoo)

305 Gee, what did we do before we allowed people to sleep on the streets?

we ran the drifters out of town and told them to get a haircut

Posted by: Sheriff Teasle at April 23, 2024 01:18 PM (AR07F)

306 In the old days they had vagrant laws and the sheriffs would run them out of town
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And they would take the hint, get a job, and find a place to live.
Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law
.......

or rob a stagecoach.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 01:18 PM (v0R5T)

307 Nothing can be fixed without people losing their jobs, so nothing will be fixed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

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This is only true because of which people would lose their jobs. The Dems have no problem with policies that put deplorablles out of work, or which crush the wages of non-government workers.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 23, 2024 01:18 PM (fkLbR)

308 Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."
.......

Unless it's Trump.
Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 01:13 PM (v0R5T)
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But nobody else would need to worry about that.

Posted by: Kathy Hochey at April 23, 2024 01:18 PM (krQz2)

309 Taking a leak is a biological necessity too. Taking a leak in a cemetery is free speech. Biological free speech.

Anyway, Ted Kennedy didn't object.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2024 01:18 PM (CsUN+)

310 90% of the "un-housed" are druggies, alcoholic's or mental cases or all 3...Not a lot of Babies among them
Posted by: It's me donna
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Pretty much. Too many people though have the romantic idea about the homeless based on movies--not grubby reality.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 01:19 PM (cViPl)

311 303 Taking a leak is a biological necessity too. Taking a leak in a cemetery is free speech. Biological free speech.
Posted by: fd

Does this mean I can legally piss on John McCain's grave?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 23, 2024 01:19 PM (aFNOf)

312 This is like giving people (not even citizens) the "Right" to housing, to a job (only if they want one), to free food, to needles for their drug addictions ...

We are a nation of God given rights, which protect us from government (or other) overreach. But out current socialist government is now trying to become god for all people, and force the responsible to fund (by debt/inflation theft or tax) the crazies and irresponsible.

Citizenship has obligations ... it is not (supposed to be) a free ticket to ride and force others to provide care.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2024 01:19 PM (Cus5s)

313 Justice Kagan stated that "Sleeping is a biological necessity. It's sort of like breathing. ... But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."

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Defecation is also a biological necessity. Your move, judge.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at April 23, 2024 01:16 PM

You wouldn't arrest babies for pooping in public, would you?!

- Just-us Kagan

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 23, 2024 01:19 PM (Wnv9h)

314 "Conan would not remain in his own yard. He would take his sword into your yard and conquer it with blood.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda"

I'm more of a Tarzan type.

*ululates*

Posted by: fd at April 23, 2024 01:20 PM (vFG9F)

315 So, is this the Supreme Court decision that's going to ignite the Dem base and get them to vote for Biden? It's getting close to summer after all.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 23, 2024 01:14 PM (BxvY+)
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Maybe.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 01:20 PM (krQz2)

316 What about labs and suchlike?
Posted by: mr tmz

============

Just plagiarize something.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at April 23, 2024 01:21 PM (ny95y)

317 > In the old days they had vagrant laws and the sheriffs would run them out of town

Over 100 years ago when employment law and minimum wage and all that wasn't such a bitch, a lot of shops would hire vagrants to do menial tasks in exchange for a couple of meals. They'd come in, sweep up, move some boxes around, whatever, then get their bowl of soup. As long as you were "able-bodied" you could sustain yourself.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 01:21 PM (Odg76)

318 Conan would not remain in his own yard. He would take his sword into your yard and conquer it with blood.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda"
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I never picked up that vibe watching Late Night.

Posted by: Axeman at April 23, 2024 01:21 PM (krQz2)

319 "But I wouldn't expect you to criminalize breathing in public."

But you will have to pay a carbon tax, for every breath, unless you are a homeless degenerate, or have bought a carve out.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2024 01:22 PM (Cus5s)

320 "Does this mean I can legally piss on John McCain's grave?
Posted by: Maj. Healey "

If it's a biological necessity. You may want to get a note from your doctor.

Posted by: fd at April 23, 2024 01:22 PM (vFG9F)

321 Long ago if you were found sleeping under a bridge, YOU GOT ARRESTED.

Posted by: The Professor at April 23, 2024 01:22 PM (2OJI2)

322 295 "My thing is, you can be as feral as you like. On your own private property. "

If I want to walk around in a loincloth in my yard, who are you to criticize my culture?
Posted by: fd
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Laughing out loud from across the street.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 23, 2024 01:22 PM (HzSHM)

323 nood Dems

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2024 01:23 PM (v0R5T)

324 Taking a leak is a biological necessity too. Taking a leak in a cemetery is free speech. Biological free speech.
Posted by: fd

I was peeing outside the other day. Cow walks by, stops, lifts tail and starts peeing. I started crying. No way in hell could I keep up.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2024 01:23 PM (WFCe+)

325 Did you all see the hilarious ad from Newsom about Alabama abortion law ?Pregnant women who try to leave the State for their abortion are stopped by Police and made to take a pregnancy test....Made me laugh but I realized there are people out there dumb enough to believe it

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2024 01:23 PM (Akjoo)

326 the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decided to make up their own laws and imposed the rule that homeless people must be permitted to camp wherever they like, until and unless governments create housing for all of them.

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Ah.

Neat trick.

"Until you give us full Communism, our tranq-fueled zombies own the streets, bitchez!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 23, 2024 01:23 PM (0FoWg)

327 Over 100 years ago when employment law and minimum wage and all that wasn't such a bitch, a lot of shops would hire vagrants to do menial tasks in exchange for a couple of meals. They'd come in, sweep up, move some boxes around, whatever, then get their bowl of soup. As long as you were "able-bodied" you could sustain yourself.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 01:21 PM (Odg76)
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But two hours of pushin' broom
Buys an eight by twelve, four-bit room
I'm a man of means by no means
King of the road

Posted by: Roger Miller at April 23, 2024 01:23 PM (HnUIn)

328 312 This is like giving people (not even citizens) the "Right" to housing, to a job (only if they want one), to free food, to needles for their drug addictions ...

We are a nation of God given rights, which protect us from government (or other) overreach. But out current socialist government is now trying to become god for all people, and force the responsible to fund (by debt/inflation theft or tax) the crazies and irresponsible.

Citizenship has obligations ... it is not (supposed to be) a free ticket to ride and force others to provide care.
Posted by: illiniwek
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Perverted Marxist inversion of charity and good works using government and taxes to compel public society to allow the wastrels to what they need and the citizens to contribute taxes because they are able to do so.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 01:23 PM (cViPl)

329 "Defecation is also a biological necessity. Your move, judge.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at April 23, 2024 01:16 PM

You wouldn't arrest babies for pooping in public, would you?!

- Just-us Kagan
Posted by: RedMindBlueState"

You think like a lawyer. Ever thought of trying it?

Posted by: fd at April 23, 2024 01:24 PM (vFG9F)

330 This all boils down to an inability to admit the following

- drugs are bad and need to be prohibited by The State, since freedom and all that but if you are on drugs you become a burden to society.

- The welfare state is unworkable. It encourages what it tries to eliminate.

- Crime must be punished harshly. If not by community/family, then by criminal justice system.

These are anathema to the progressive project. they can never admit they are wrong.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 23, 2024 01:24 PM (fkLbR)

331 320 "Does this mean I can legally piss on John McCain's grave?
Posted by: Maj. Healey "
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If he's buried at Arlington be careful when you do.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 23, 2024 01:24 PM (HzSHM)

332 260 Had a homeless guy turn down a sandwich once because it was not on whole grain bread. "White bread is poison, man!" Unsurprisingly this was in Eugene, Oregon.
Posted by: MammaB at April 23, 2024 01:06 PM (UTs2h)

Maybe he just had trouble metalating Folic Acid due to MTHFR gene mutation...

Posted by: Inogame at April 23, 2024 01:24 PM (53oGX)

333 Over 100 years ago when employment law and minimum wage and all that wasn't such a bitch, a lot of shops would hire vagrants to do menial tasks in exchange for a couple of meals. They'd come in, sweep up, move some boxes around, whatever, then get their bowl of soup. As long as you were "able-bodied" you could sustain yourself.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2024 01:21 PM (Odg76)
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I don't like this kind of thing very much.

Posted by: The Tax Man at April 23, 2024 01:24 PM (HnUIn)

334 I lived in Seattle during the period it transitioned from a lovely loopy west coast into a giant shithole with a full compliment of homeless drug addicts administered by multi million (billion?) dollar bureaucracy.

My take away is one does not have right to be a drug addict and live and shit in public spaces, and all attempts to "solve" the homeless problem is giant waste of money.

Posted by: Lost in Space at April 23, 2024 01:25 PM (+zECz)

335 273 We need a better way of selecting jurists and an easier one to get rid of them:

NYC Man Convicted Over Gunsmithing Hobby After Judge Says 2nd Amendment 'Doesn't Exist in This Courtroom'
"She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'"
https://tinyurl.com/2kn5dnbt

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2024 01:01 PM (IG4Id)

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Sounds just like Trump's asshat judge's take on The Donald's First Amendment rights.
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 23, 2024 01:09 PM (/JOu+)

I'll wait for the legal experts to chime in, but this seems like grounds for appeal...

Posted by: Inogame at April 23, 2024 01:27 PM (53oGX)

336 327 Over 100 years ago when employment law and minimum wage and all that wasn't such a bitch, a lot of shops would hire vagrants to do menial tasks in exchange for a couple of meals. They'd come in, sweep up, move some boxes around, whatever, then get their bowl of soup. As long as you were "able-bodied" you could sustain yourself.
Posted by: bonhomme

Unions and the FDR administration collaborating with them believe in making labor expensive and preventing competition for it. One of the more idiotic perversion of labor economics and seen in places like California where the leg dictated the $20 buck minimum wage which will lead to job losses, business losses, etc. This is so the labor union contracts based on x dollars more than the minimum wage can increase.

Even the Soviets found that you cannot force people into doing economic activity for no benefit to themselves. Adam Smith solved that problem years ago with his two works---A Theory of Moral Sentiments that later led to his Wealth of Nations.--using people's self interest always works better than government diktats in the long run.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 01:28 PM (cViPl)

337 Maybe he just had trouble metalating Folic Acid due to MTHFR gene mutation...
Posted by: Inogame
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I doubt it. He was probably getting government assistance and spending it to get high because he could always scam free food.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 01:29 PM (cViPl)

338 330 This all boils down to an inability to admit the following

- drugs are bad and need to be prohibited by The State, since freedom and all that but if you are on drugs you become a burden to society.

- The welfare state is unworkable. It encourages what it tries to eliminate.

- Crime must be punished harshly. If not by community/family, then by criminal justice system.

These are anathema to the progressive project. they can never admit they are wrong.
Posted by: Gentlemen
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You, sir, are a realist and history bears out each and every one of your bullet points.

Posted by: whig at April 23, 2024 01:30 PM (cViPl)

339 "A Theory of Moral Sentiments that later led to his Wealth of Nations.--using people's self interest always works better than government diktats in the long run."

The Futurists seem to think robots and AI (as used by Google and the Central Planners) feel they can replace the old ways, with their NewThink and total control (including the courts, the IRS, the banks cancelling accounts, social credit score ... etc.).

The self interest will be turned toward surviving the government demands, without being cancelled. Or that seems to be the plan.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2024 01:33 PM (Cus5s)

340
If he's buried at Arlington be careful when you do.
Posted by: Braenyard

He's buried at the USNA in Annapolis. The warning remains.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 23, 2024 01:33 PM (xG4kz)

341 Suddenly I am singing Roger Miller's "King of the Road" in my head. One of two songs I've sung karaoke.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at April 23, 2024 01:37 PM (xPJvm)

342 LAST!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at April 23, 2024 01:37 PM (xPJvm)

343 Not quite!

Posted by: fd at April 23, 2024 02:32 PM (vFG9F)

344 It isn't the punishment for camping on sidewalks that the Circus declared to be "cruel and unusual," it is the criminalization of the activity that they say is cruel and unusual. Can't get more blatantly unconstitutional than that.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at April 23, 2024 02:45 PM (wh9C3)

345 How about the UN that would make fine Homeless Shelter for our Vets being evicted from their Apartment to make room for Migrants

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