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Supreme Court Hears Huge Case About Government's Expansive Reading of the Law; Have Claimed That Hundreds of J6 Protesters, and Trump Himself, Broke Law by "Obstructing" Counting of Votes

Another made-up Trump Only legal doctrine.

Conservatives appear "skeptical" of the government's claim that this law -- which forbids the destruction or alteration of official documents -- can be stretched and twisted to cover protesters objecting to a rigged election.

]The Supreme Court's conservative majority appeared skeptical of the Justice Department's position during oral arguments over whether a federal obstruction law can be used to prosecute some of the rioters involved in the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol.

While the court's three-justice liberal wing signaled support for the charge, the court's conservative majority raised a series of questions about its potential scope and whether it would criminalize other conduct, such as protests.

How the Supreme Court defines how the obstruction law can be used related to the Capitol attack could impact hundreds of criminal cases, even the pending case against former President Donald Trump, who is also charged with obstructing an official proceeding.

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During over 90 minutes of arguments, most justices signaled concern with how the Justice Department is using the law, which was enacted by Congress more than two decades ago. Critics claimed the felony charge, which carries a prison sentence of up to 20 years, was intended to prevent evidence tampering -- not an insurrection.

This is CNN, of course. Obviously the J6 lawyers did not claim "we're innocent because this was just an insurrection." That's CNN's lying spin.

Check out this CNN spin-- it's sad that this is a "technical," dispassionate argument about what the law is, instead of a Pageantry of Bloody Shirts and Hurt Feelings like the J6 committee put on:


Mostly absent from oral arguments Tuesday was recognition of the traumatic and deadly events that took place just across the street from the Supreme Court three years ago. Instead, the discussion turned largely on a technical debate about the meaning of the words in the law -- in particular, the word "otherwise."

That 2002 law makes it a felony to "corruptly" alter, destroy or mutilate a record with the intent of making it unavailable for use in an "official proceeding," or to "otherwise" obstruct, influence or impede such a proceeding. Capitol riot defendant Jospeh Fischer, who brought the case to the high court, argued that, taken together, the law was geared toward prohibiting records destruction. But the Justice Department said it encompassed a wider range of actions -- including physical intrusion -- that would obstruct a proceeding.

There was a heavy dose of "whataboutism" from the conservative justices, who repeatedly brought up left-wing protests while pressing both sides about which conduct they believed would be covered by the felony obstruction law.

LOL. Pointing out that the law has only been mutilated to charge The Regime's enemies, while its own street paramilitaries are spared, protected, and even paid off by friendly regime governments, is "whataboutism."


Justice Samuel Alito mentioned the disruptions at the Golden Gate Bridge on Monday, when protesters, angry about Israel's war against Hamas, blocked rush-hour traffic.


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A decision against the government could reopen some 350 cases in which defendants have been charged with "obstructing" an official proceeding by pushing their way into the Capitol in 2021. The charge can tack up to 20 years onto a prison sentence.

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"Tell me why I shouldn't be concerned about the breadth of the government's reading, just relying on corrupt intent and the Nexus requirements?" Barrett said, referring to two elements of the crime that Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar has said would limit prosecutors' use of the charge to very particular circumstances.

While Barrett did not speak for most of the arguments, she had an extended exchange with Prelogar that shed light on how she was thinking about the case. She offered an alternative January 6 scenario wherein the rioters never actually breached the Capitol but the Electoral College certification vote was still stopped.

In other words, she was asking if the government can charge someone who had not committed any crime with "obstructing an act of government" if their lawful protests nevertheless cause the delivery of state election certifications.

This is a question that is asking, basically, "Aren't you just criminalizing dissent?"



Barrett also picked up on other conservatives' inquiries over hypothetical scenarios of political demonstrations that interrupt official proceedings in which prosecutors, under the Justice Department's reading, could bring the challenge.

"Do you think it's plausible that Congress would have written the statute that broadly?" the justice asked.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh, often a key vote in high-profile cases, threw cold water on the government's position by noting the defendant was charged with six other crimes related to the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.

Gorsuch wanted to know if the government held the position that, if protesters protesting the treatment of the J6 protesters felt "flustered" and thus impaired in their ability to make their case, they too could be charged under the Regime's expansive "obstruction" reading.


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And Chief Justice John Roberts appears focused on whether the provision in question should be connected to the types of crimes that tamper with evidence.


The Supreme Court has rejected a past attempt to read the law beyond its obvious meaning. (It was specifically passed to punish the document-shredding parties by Enron.)


One past Supreme Court case that the Justice Department must contend with, as it tries to sway the justices to sign off on the use of the obstruction charge for January 6 rioters, is a precedent sometimes referred to as "the fish case."

In the 2015 case, a commercial fisherman was catching undersized red grouper off the coast of Florida, then had them tossed back into the Gulf of Mexico, attempting to prevent federal authorities from catching his illicit fishing practices.

Whether he could face the obstruction charge came down to court's determination that fish were a "tangible object."

The court's decision: No, the fish weren't. The fisherman hadn't obstructed.

A 5-4 majority of the Supreme Court that included Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the leader of the court's liberal wing at the time, and Justice Samuel Alito, a stalwart conservative, said a "tangible object" included items "used to record or preserve information," such as a document -- not a fish.

Even Roberts appeared skeptical of the government stealing bases to mean whatever they need it to mean:


But Roberts focused on another way of the reading the law, as influenced by the words before it. And in this case, those words deal with evidence tampering -- not riots.

Roberts said the DOJ shouldn't read the two provisions as though they are standing alone.

"You can't just tack it on and say, 'Look at it as if it's standing alone,'" Roberts said. "Because it's not."

What he's talking about one part of the law specifying that it's criminalizing the destruction or alteration of documents, and another clause speaking more broadly of "otherwise" obstructing the production of documents. He's saying you can't just split the broader-sounding clause off from the other clause -- the first clause announces that this law is about shredding documents. You can't take that "otherwise" to mean the law can be mutated to take any form a Democrat prosecutor wants it to mean.


The government admitted that before the white-hot need to Get Trump, Imprison His Supporters for Any Reason, this law had never, ever been used except to criminalize the alteration of official documents.


Justice Clarence Thomas quizzed the lawyer representing the Justice Department about whether the government has ever used the law this way before.

"There have been many violent protests that have interfered with proceedings," Thomas said. "Has the government applied this provision to other protests in the past?"

The question appeared to be a skeptical one, suggesting that the Justice Department might be applying the 2002 law at issue in the case in a way that's not uniform. Some conservatives have argued the Justice Department is treating Capitol rioters far harsher than people arrested at protests in 2020, for instance.

What crazies some conservatives are.


Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar said that the Justice Department has consistently applied the law beyond evidence tampering but seemed to acknowledge there was a direct parallel to another case.

She may claim that, but from what I can tell, she offered not a single example of the law being applied to a riot.

Update:

My favorite part of the questioning was Gorsuch asking if pulling a fire alarm to interrupt congressional action was also covered and could result in up to 20 years in prison?

How you doin' Jamal?



Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:33 PM




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1 Sheesh First

Posted by: zooomzooom at April 16, 2024 05:34 PM (rfnUk)

2 @1 It's a miracle!

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at April 16, 2024 05:35 PM (zdLoL)

3 These guys go to the right parties, or something

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at April 16, 2024 05:37 PM (as3uC)

4 I just have a feeling we're doomed doomed doomed.

Posted by: kathysaysso at April 16, 2024 05:37 PM (yACxx)

5 Remember, government doesn't really care if they lose this case. They've already won the process.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 16, 2024 05:37 PM (tT6L1)

6 So, I guess Supreme Court Justices need, what, exactly?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at April 16, 2024 05:38 PM (as3uC)

7 Supreme Court Hears Huge Case About Government's Expansive Reading of the Law; Have Claimed That Hundreds of J6 Protesters, and Trump Himself, Broke Law by "Obstructing" Counting of Votes

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I'm still mainly interested in the timing of the protest.

So many pro-Trump folks went over before the speech (that they'd travelled hundreds of miles to hear) was finished, and they started shaking fences at the exact time needed for Nancy Pelosi to call the House into order under an emergency scenario.

Meaning no new motions could be heard or discussed. During a time when representatives would likely want to discuss some important matters relating to the election.

Amazing how that worked out, wasn't it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie has 2020 hindsight at April 16, 2024 05:39 PM (Gakra)

8 I seem to remember violence and intimidation of the Senate Judiciary Committee, including an "occupation" of the Senate Office building, during the confirmation proceedings for JUSTICE FUCKING KAVANAUGH HIMSELF WHO IS ON THIS COURT, which ACTUALLY DID INTIMIDATE JEFF FLAKE AND OTHERS INTO DELAYING THE COMMITTEE VOTE, and that no one was charged for that.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 16, 2024 05:39 PM (ssz2a)

9 zooomperson, I nooded for you because...it's going to take a few minutes to crowbar a couple of those guys apart down there.

Let them all come and witness your glory.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at April 16, 2024 05:40 PM (zdLoL)

10 I love how no one seems to remember the leftard riots from Trump's win in November 2016 past his inauguration two months later in 2017. Never gets brought up. Never gets talked about. They burned buildings, overturned cars, blocked traffic, beat people up, and injured police officers.

It's as if it never happened.

Posted by: ... at April 16, 2024 05:40 PM (lX8VI)

11 also name field change

Posted by: Moron Robbie supports women working until they're 80 years old. You go, girls! at April 16, 2024 05:40 PM (Gakra)

12 *drums fingers*

Probably best to sit this one out.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 16, 2024 05:40 PM (di6C2)

13 This is a question that is asking, basically, "Aren't you just criminalizing dissent?"


You're new here, right?

Posted by: The DOJ at April 16, 2024 05:40 PM (+myjY)

14 My favorite part of the questioning was Gorsuch asking if pulling a fire alarm to interrupt congressional action was also covered and could result in up to 20 years in prison?

How you doin' Jamal?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 05:41 PM (LkLld)

15 Bread and circuses...FFS, there was no insurrection.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 16, 2024 05:42 PM (YRsIm)

16 11 also name field change
Posted by: Moron Robbie supports women working until they're 80 years old. You go, girls! at April 16, 2024 05:40 PM (Gakra)

I saw something yesterday where someone was pointing out that it was always a woman talking about being a CEO or some other ultra important position and also being able to balance being a mother or whatever.

Not many saying 'I am a garbage lady and also a mother.'

Or 'I work the rigs in the gulf of Mexico and also have a family!'

Or 'I go under the mountains of West Virginia and mine coal to put food on the table for my three kids.'

Note: I am not saying that women do not do these jobs, I am saying the type of women who do, probably do not spend any time on twitter. They have enough on their plate to be going on with.

So, why do the CEOs?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 16, 2024 05:44 PM (di6C2)

17 My favorite part of the questioning was Gorsuch asking if pulling a fire alarm to interrupt congressional action was also covered and could result in up to 20 years in prison?

How you doin' Jamal?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 05:41 PM (LkLld)

Hypothetically speaking, would the FBI and the DOJ have grounds to investigate the 2020 Board of Elections returns in Wayne County, MI and Fulton County, GA under this law?

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 05:45 PM (rj6Yv)

18 Note: I am not saying that women do not do these jobs, I am saying the type of women who do, probably do not spend any time on twitter. They have enough on their plate to be going on with

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No, it's a pretty safe assumption.

Feminism generally stops where the HVAC ends and when the dinner check comes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at April 16, 2024 05:46 PM (MFZft)

19 Roberts will force an opinion which offers relief only to a limited number of defendants. ACB and Kav will go along. It will be enough, sadly.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 16, 2024 05:47 PM (aVudl)

20 This is a question that is asking, basically, "Aren't you just criminalizing dissent?"



They better be careful. If they are going to criminalize descent, all they leave us is our revolutionary right to shoot them.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 05:47 PM (/SITW)

21 I love pretending that I might vote with the conservatives. Lucy and that football have nothing on me, baby.

Posted by: John "Pocket Pool" Roberts at April 16, 2024 05:48 PM (woPEM)

22 >>Hypothetically speaking, would the FBI and the DOJ have grounds to investigate the 2020 Board of Elections returns in Wayne County, MI and Fulton County, GA under this law?

If the parties were reversed I have no doubt they would try it.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 05:48 PM (LkLld)

23 Going to be 6-3, or 5-4, against the government. Kavanaugh might go soft. If it finds in favor of Fischer the media and Dems will have a head exploding experience. Praying for heads exploding

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 16, 2024 05:48 PM (nYX8q)

24 So, what about Hillary Clinton wiping her server? Deleting emails? Was it the FBI who destroyed their cellphones? Those are flagrant examples of destruction of records.

Posted by: Ciampino - what's good for the gander at April 16, 2024 05:49 PM (qfLjt)

25 I can't wait for them to come for us. Send more feds.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at April 16, 2024 05:50 PM (FRT/w)

26 Reuters is reporting that Biden isn't going to cut off Iranian oil exports . The ideologues in this administration are anti semites through and through

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 16, 2024 05:50 PM (nYX8q)

27
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the 'fish case' - and losing the battle. Anyone other then an idiot takes that grouper home and eats it that night.

Butter and lemon.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 16, 2024 05:50 PM (RKVpM)

28 Yes, the corrupt government's trumped up case withers under the slightest scrutiny.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 16, 2024 05:51 PM (pohLc)

29 Joe and The Junta's modus operandi is expansive reading of laws to gain political power by buying votes and punishing political opponents.

Posted by: Gref at April 16, 2024 05:52 PM (5fDan)

30 >>> So, why do the CEOs?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 16, 2024 05:44 PM (di6C2)


Because they're Boss Women minmaxing their character.

Posted by: banana Dream at April 16, 2024 05:52 PM (Y6IkP)

31 >>>My favorite part of the questioning was Gorsuch asking if pulling a fire alarm to interrupt congressional action was also covered and could result in up to 20 years in prison?

How you doin' Jamal?

darn, I meant to link that, but somehow the CNN "reporters" completely missed that.

Posted by: ace at April 16, 2024 05:52 PM (KRtlO)

32 >>>My favorite part of the questioning was Gorsuch asking if pulling a fire alarm to interrupt congressional action was also covered and could result in up to 20 years in prison?

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Was it haha that's a funny joke or did anyone actually discuss it?

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at April 16, 2024 05:53 PM (MFZft)

33 Going to be 6-3, or 5-4, against the government. Kavanaugh might go soft. If it finds in favor of Fischer the media and Dems will have a head exploding experience. Praying for heads exploding
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 16, 2024 05:48 PM (nYX8q)

The Feds are trying to soft-pedal the prosecution of the person attempting to kill Supreme Court justices. My money is on Iron Law.

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 05:53 PM (rj6Yv)

34 If this decision goes against the gubmint, Joe's "Stallin'" Biden will attempt to pack the court with Hawaiians.

Posted by: Joe Mama at April 16, 2024 05:53 PM (lZVy/)

35 What I recall is that the 'interruption' occurred during the CHALLENGES / objections to the certification of the electoral college count, an interruption which BENEFITTED the deep state. I'm forgetting what that that component of the process is formally called, and I'm wondering if the timing of the 'letting them in' was intentional.

Isn't this germane to the facts of the case? Doesn't this factoid have some SWAY to the outcome of the proceedings here? I'm not hearing this brought up (or am I overlooking that it was?).

Posted by: geewhiz at April 16, 2024 05:53 PM (65K9+)

36 Kafka just called from beyond the grave.

"You tried to convict a guy over fish? You mean I wasn't insane enough in Metamorphosis?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2024 05:55 PM (g0rWy)

37 Democrats are just making sure that the wrong people don't get to vote. If that means jailing them all so be it.

Posted by: Decaf at April 16, 2024 05:55 PM (unUNN)

38 After the DC riots, Trump went to the church across the street and gave a speech. The pastor later explained that he wasn't one of those deplorable MAGA types. One would hope he saved an ounce of his vitriol for the people who tried to burn his church down, but alas.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 16, 2024 05:56 PM (cf/0E)

39 Jamal needs to be in jail not the J6 people.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2024 05:56 PM (g0rWy)

40 sockChange

Posted by: DaveA at April 16, 2024 05:58 PM (PMJuY)

41 See what could be the result with another 2 Cultural Marxists on the Court, this would be a slam dunk against Trump

Posted by: Skip at April 16, 2024 05:58 PM (fwDg9)

42 Jamal needs to be in jail not the J6 people.
Posted by: Anna Puma


Every BLM rioter should still be pounding big rocks into little ones. Let's start with those first.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 16, 2024 05:58 PM (IG4Id)

43 If there is any upside to this totalitarian insanity, people will realize the legal system is just as corrupt and despicable as every other government institution, from the military to disability examiners. The USSC may want to staunch the bleeding, but it is unlikely Americans will have their faith in any aspect of this degraded system restored. That may seem small ball but it how actual reform and dismantling have to start.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 16, 2024 05:58 PM (KSNKu)

44 It's weird how Kavanagh didn't take the opportunity to ask, what if protesters gain access to the Capitol and prevent a confirmation hearing, is that obstruction?

The vote to limit it to financial crimes it will be 7-2; Kagan and Jumanji.

Extending the ruling to throw out all J6 and charges against Trump will be 5-4.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 16, 2024 06:01 PM (yikga)

45
Grouper are a deep south fish so residents of diminutive northern states are less likely to be as outraged over Supreme Court decisions about them.

Yet those same states get two Senators who can little appreciate grouper wrapped in aluminum foil and saturated in lemon and butter and baked at 350 degrees for 45 minutes.

This is why CW 2.0 is not only likely but desirable.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 16, 2024 06:02 PM (RKVpM)

46 Biden's handlers are playing for time. They need the war to drag to prevent an Israeli victory and as a bribe to Michganistan to stay D until Iran wins.
I am assuming that if Biden gets another term, Iran has been told Israel is screwed.

Posted by: Jamaica at April 16, 2024 06:02 PM (IG7T0)

47 The SCROTUMs will shit the bed.

Repeat.

The SCROTUMs will shit the bed.

Over.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 16, 2024 06:04 PM (R/m4+)

48 Life in post-judicial Amerikka.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 16, 2024 06:04 PM (Q4IgG)

49 Mmmmmmmm.........grouper.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 16, 2024 06:04 PM (R4t5M)

50 Obstructing the counting of votes. So the dude who plugged the toilet in Atlanta is looking at what? 20 years?

Fuvking guv'mint.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2024 06:04 PM (W/lyH)

51 The Cocktail Communists at Google took over offices in California, New York, and Seattle to protest the yoga rooms being shut down and because the company will not pay for their suicide vests also they can blow up a few synagogues.

https://tinyurl.com/77puaah7

Posted by: Lost in Space at April 16, 2024 06:05 PM (IwS0P)

52 After every book I have on Jan 6, most likely the plan to stop a recount was the Deep State/ Marxists plot to make Jan6 their vote stop and blame others for it.

Posted by: Skip at April 16, 2024 06:05 PM (fwDg9)

53 >>Was it haha that's a funny joke or did anyone actually discuss it?

It was more of a shot across the bow that didn't really get much discussion. But I think it's safe to say Gorsuch is not supporting the government.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 06:05 PM (LkLld)

54 38 After the DC riots, Trump went to the church across the street and gave a speech. The pastor later explained that he wasn't one of those deplorable MAGA types. One would hope he saved an ounce of his vitriol for the people who tried to burn his church down, but alas.
Posted by: BourbonChicken



TBF, that was an Episcopal Church. They're barely Christian anymore. It is an historical landmark. It's 18th Century era.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 16, 2024 06:06 PM (sAmhv)

55 54 38 After the DC riots, Trump went to the church across the street and gave a speech. The pastor later explained that he wasn't one of those deplorable MAGA types. One would hope he saved an ounce of his vitriol for the people who tried to burn his church down, but alas.
Posted by: BourbonChicken

Wouldn't want to offend BLM or Antifa

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2024 06:07 PM (Akjoo)

56 If Fischer wins, how long does it take everyone else to get their habeas/post-conviction petitions heard and ruled on? How many of those motions and/or hearing dates get "eaten" by the filing system?

Posted by: Octochicken at April 16, 2024 06:07 PM (oCS0o)

57 It was more of a shot across the bow that didn't really get much discussion. But I think it's safe to say Gorsuch is not supporting the government.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 06:05 PM (LkLld)

A Supreme Court decision on this case around June? Or sooner?

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 06:07 PM (rj6Yv)

58 But you have to read the Pravda-Americana on this.

They know the Court is no way upholding this.
They slather so very much honey on that bitter pill.

The same people who told everyone for weeks that the CO SOS had a reasonable interpretation of the 14th will, once again, be shocked by the outcome.

IIRC, this statute is the only felony any of the J6 are charged with?

Meaning the Republicans in the last Congess, on the way out the door, gave the DOJ an extra billion to prosecute ... misdemeanors.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 16, 2024 06:07 PM (yikga)

59 *looks at sundial on wrist*

And it's only Tuesday.

Fuuuuuuucccckkkk...

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at April 16, 2024 06:08 PM (MvA9C)

60 The three Lib Broads on the Court are always on the wrong side

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2024 06:09 PM (Akjoo)

61 The real questions are:
Is Sonia going commando under her robes?
Can somebody bribe her with a burrito?

Posted by: wth at April 16, 2024 06:10 PM (v0R5T)

62 And so begins the real and determined effort to pack the Supreme Court. Who knows what subversive methods they're dreaming up.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at April 16, 2024 06:10 PM (DsA2n)

63 Beautiful evening out thar.

Posted by: JT at April 16, 2024 06:11 PM (T4tVD)

64 Hiya

Posted by: JT at April 16, 2024 06:11 PM (T4tVD)

65 62 And so begins the real and determined effort to pack the Supreme Court. Who knows what subversive methods they're dreaming up.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at April 16, 2024 06:10 PM (DsA2n)

If Biden is re-installed then I fully expect them to attempt it

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2024 06:11 PM (Akjoo)

66 Meaning the Republicans in the last Congess, on the way out the door, gave the DOJ an extra billion to prosecute ... misdemeanors.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 16, 2024 06:07 PM (yikga)

Misdemeanors? At the very least, immediate release for time served. And who writes the opinion?

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 06:11 PM (rj6Yv)

67 >>A Supreme Court decision on this case around June? Or sooner?

My understanding is late June, early July.

If they decide against the government this could blow a big hole in Jack Smith's prosecution of Trump in DC.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 06:12 PM (LkLld)

68 If they decide against the government this could blow a big hole in Jack Smith's prosecution of Trump in DC.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 06:12 PM (LkLld)

If they don't will it bolster it ?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2024 06:13 PM (Akjoo)

69 If I understand events at the SC today, the non Communist sympathizing justices were not for jailing US citizens for exercising their Constitutional rights and their common law rights to behave like jackasses no matter how much all of this gives the Communists gas.

Posted by: Lost in Space at April 16, 2024 06:13 PM (IwS0P)

70 As I have been saying for years, this all ends in bloody civil war.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 16, 2024 06:14 PM (pohLc)

71 This is why CW 2.0 is not only likely but desirable.
Posted by: Divide by Zero


I'm about ready to play Fallout 5.0.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 06:14 PM (/SITW)

72 They soooooo want a response.
A serious response.


Patience....

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2024 06:14 PM (W/lyH)

73 The Nijisanji meme of 'sink the yacht' needs to be applied to this government.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2024 06:16 PM (g0rWy)

74 They soooooo want a response.
A serious response.


Patience....
Posted by: Diogenes


They only think they want to response.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 06:16 PM (/SITW)

75 If the Hamas terrorism support team can keep this up until the D's convention in Chicago things are going be lit. Probably literally.

Posted by: Lost in Space at April 16, 2024 06:16 PM (IwS0P)

76
I can catch fresh flounder, fresh blue crab in 'jersey waters, wrap the two together and add a little cheese and lemon and butter, or have a slab of grouper from the state of the DeSanctimonious one.

Tough call. Definitely 5-4 decision.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 16, 2024 06:17 PM (RKVpM)

77 My understanding is late June, early July.

If they decide against the government this could blow a big hole in Jack Smith's prosecution of Trump in DC.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 06:12 PM (LkLld)

I'm thinking of the J6 defendants who committed suicide, or whose lives were destroyed by "the process" of trial and imprisonment.

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 06:17 PM (rj6Yv)

78 65 62 And so begins the real and determined effort to pack the Supreme Court. Who knows what subversive methods they're dreaming up.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at April 16, 2024 06:10 PM (DsA2n)

If Biden is re-installed then I fully expect them to attempt it
Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2024 06:11 PM (Akjoo)

It would have happened but/for Sinema and Manchin in 2021. I'm really shocked some combination of Romney, Murkowski, Collins didn't step up to the plate.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 16, 2024 06:17 PM (KSNKu)

79 Go with the fresh flounder.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 16, 2024 06:18 PM (Wnv9h)

80 I'm thinking of the J6 defendants who committed suicide, or whose lives were destroyed by "the process" of trial and imprisonment.
Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 06:17 PM (rj6Yv)

Some haven't had their trials yet I believe

Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2024 06:18 PM (Akjoo)

81 If Biden wins re-election I'm selling my two project cars and investing the money in other things IYKWIM.

Posted by: Erebus-ex-killer whale at April 16, 2024 06:18 PM (l3Uxg)

82 >>If they don't will it bolster it ?

It would likely leave the obstruction charges intact. But they are the heart of his case.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 06:18 PM (LkLld)

83 They only think they want to response.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 06:16 PM (/SITW)

First Tier: They figure they control the military. Game over.

Second tier: They control the military and no ROE. Game over.

Third Tier: The enemy gets a vote. And *types* *deletes*

Most people do not really think it through. So mostly first tier.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 16, 2024 06:19 PM (di6C2)

84 41 See what could be the result with another 2 Cultural Marxists on the Court, this would be a slam dunk against Trump

Posted by: Skip at April 16, 2024 05:58 PM (fwDg9)


With 5 Cultural Marxists on the Court, The Bill of Rights will be gutted as soon as the Lawfare Scumbags and Leftist Federal Judges contrive to get cases before the Court; the DeepState and Democrat Administrations will be given license to interpret laws however they wish as long as they claim they're doing it for social justice and equity; and, Section 1 of the 14th Amendment will be used as rationale for the Court ruling a whole lot of existing laws un-Constitutional and a whole lot of 'novel legal theories' Constitutional.

Leftist lawyers and judges would eventually become the de-facto US Government.

Eventually both Biden and Trump will campaign hard on the question of who gets to decide the makeup of the Court. Meaning the Democrats will fight as hard to keep the Senate in Democrat hands as they are to keep Trump out of the White House.

Posted by: Gref at April 16, 2024 06:19 PM (5fDan)

85 >>I'm thinking of the J6 defendants who committed suicide, or whose lives were destroyed by "the process" of trial and imprisonment.

All of the above.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 16, 2024 06:19 PM (LkLld)

86 I wonder how their response would be if a J6 defendant responded to every question with "fuck you, commie."?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 16, 2024 06:19 PM (pohLc)

87 I am so sick and tired of hearing that the 3 leftist judges on the court vote lock-step in every.single.fucking.case.


And no, don't tell me our side does the same. Because they don't.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at April 16, 2024 06:20 PM (BN9Gq)

88 Note that the examples she gave of using the "otherwise" were done in relation to criminal proceedings ALREADY underway.

She tried to say the DOJ has used this to prosecute obstruction of "official proceedings."
But, this is a criminal statute dealing with criminal prosecutions.

Glossing over that no where does it refer to government meetings.

What the press is hiding from the readers is that--equating yelling at a school board meeting to intimidation of a witness in a murder trial, because both are "obstructing official proceedings."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 16, 2024 06:21 PM (yikga)

89 Fresh caught flounder cooked on the fire right beside your beach chair is one of the best meals you'll ever have.

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at April 16, 2024 06:22 PM (MFZft)

90 I am so sick and tired of hearing that the 3 leftist judges on the court vote lock-step in every.single.fucking.case.


And no, don't tell me our side does the same. Because they don't.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at April 16, 2024 06:20 PM (BN9Gq)

Wasn't the CO Primary case (Trump's removal from the ballot) a 9-0 decision?

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 06:23 PM (rj6Yv)

91 If I only like white fish and not red fish, does that make me racist?

Posted by: Erebus-ex-killer whale at April 16, 2024 06:24 PM (l3Uxg)

92 The next federal "holiday" should be Buffalo Guy Day.

People can dress up as Buffalo Guy and bang Pelosi's large gavel while drinking beer and calling for the abolition of The Union.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 16, 2024 06:24 PM (R/m4+)

93 65 62 And so begins the real and determined effort to pack the Supreme Court. Who knows what subversive methods they're dreaming up.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at April 16, 2024 06:10 PM (DsA2n)

If Biden is re-installed then I fully expect them to attempt it
Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2024 06:11 PM (Akjoo)

I would be totally happy if Juneteenth were replaced with January 6.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 16, 2024 06:25 PM (KSNKu)

94 Ad on Twitter. Guess what kind of person is in the pic:

@AeromexicoUSA
Ad
Your safety is our top priority. Our advanced fleet and expert pilots will give you peace of mind while flying.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 16, 2024 06:26 PM (IG4Id)

95 The way I figure it Trump will be in court from now until about October 27th and unable to campaign except on the weekends. bragg is doing everything he can to delay and obfuscate Trump's "hush money" trial. Dismissing over half of the potential jurors on the first day and convincing the Judge that Trump needs to be in the courtroom every single day which is extremely unusual for this kind of case.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 16, 2024 06:26 PM (QNSds)

96 I never once destroyed or altered any documents, hard drives or cell phones.

Stop saying I did.

Posted by: Hillary Jezebel Roadham at April 16, 2024 06:26 PM (vt7xw)

97 Imma celebrate June teefs the 6th

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at April 16, 2024 06:26 PM (MFZft)

98 All these Judges being Marxists has to mean Law schools are now indoctrination not actually law learning.

Posted by: Skip at April 16, 2024 06:26 PM (fwDg9)

99 If I only like white fish and not red fish, does that make me racist?
Posted by: Erebus-ex-killer whale at April 16, 2024 06:24 PM (l3Uxg)

Wild, native trout have orange-y flesh.

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 06:27 PM (rj6Yv)

100 Ad on Twitter. Guess what kind of person is in the pic:

@AeromexicoUSA
Ad
Your safety is our top priority. Our advanced fleet and expert pilots will give you peace of mind while flying.
Posted by: weft cut-loop


Pedro and hs burro?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 06:28 PM (/SITW)

101 96 I never once destroyed or altered any documents, hard drives or cell phones.

Stop saying I did.
Posted by: Hillary Jezebel Roadham at April 16, 2024 06:26 PM (vt7xw)

Or what?

Posted by: Future suicides at April 16, 2024 06:28 PM (8sMut)

102 If the Hamas terrorism support team can keep this up until the D's convention in Chicago things are going be lit. Probably literally.
Posted by: Lost in Space
--------

Well, Daley's baton-wielding cops will not be there, as they were last time. Say what you will about Daley et al, they were intolerant of the mob.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2024 06:28 PM (XeU6L)

103 And so begins the real and determined effort to pack the Supreme Court. Who knows what subversive methods they're dreaming up.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at April 16, 2024 06:10 PM (DsA2n)

If Biden is re-installed then I fully expect them to attempt it
Posted by: It's me donna at April 16, 2024 06:11 PM (Akjoo)

***
If Biden is re-installed, America dies.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2024 06:29 PM (W/lyH)

104 All these Judges being Marxists has to mean Law schools are now indoctrination not actually law learning.
Posted by: Skip at April 16, 2024 06:26 PM (fwDg9)

Yes...plaintiff attorneys are all big democrats and almost all defense attorneys are RHINO types who drive for dollars from one hearing, depo or conference to another and don't give 2 shits about The Constitution or your rights or The Law.

No conservatives to be found in the legal profession ham and eggers, paralegals, investigators or the side pieces and whores who make their living off of it.

The Law Skools ain't about The Law.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 16, 2024 06:29 PM (R/m4+)

105
Go with the fresh flounder.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 16, 2024 06:18 PM


You ever give a child the most amazing fishing trip of their life? Jersey waters, outgoing tide, the flounder are making their way back offshore in late August/Septemberish through a narrow channel. Every drift two or three caught - all ~two feet long. My nephew had the time of his life. I'm dropping the shorter ones off the stern of the boat so he won't notice as the cooler was overflowing.

I may have done a lotta stuff not so great in my life but I hope that kid will never forget that experience. He probably caught 40 flounder in an hours time.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 16, 2024 06:30 PM (RKVpM)

106 98 All these Judges being Marxists has to mean Law schools are now indoctrination not actually law learning.
Posted by: Skip at April 16, 2024 06:26 PM (fwDg9)


Critical Legal Theory, the father of Critical Race Theory and all other forms of Cultural Marxism, has been eating away at the system for almost half a century. The rot has been there a long time.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at April 16, 2024 06:30 PM (KSNKu)

107 If the Hamas terrorism support team can keep this up until the D's convention in Chicago things are going be lit. Probably literally.
Posted by: Lost in Space
--------

Well, Daley's baton-wielding cops will not be there, as they were last time. Say what you will about Daley et al, they were intolerant of the mob.
Posted by: Mike Hammer


I wonder if there is a way to goad the mob into acting?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 06:30 PM (/SITW)

108 When the RNC nominates Trump for president, will Trump be at the convention in person?

Posted by: mrp at April 16, 2024 06:31 PM (rj6Yv)

109 50 Obstructing the counting of votes. So the dude who plugged the toilet in Atlanta is looking at what? 20 years?

Fuvking guv'mint.

Posted by: Diogenes
--------------------

I plugged the toilet
but I did not plug the vanity.
(and the colored girls sing)
he plugged the toilet
he plugged the toilet
but he did not plug the vanity

Posted by: Braenyard at April 16, 2024 06:31 PM (uyqzN)

110 People can dress up as Buffalo Guy and bang Pelosi's large gavel while drinking beer and calling for the abolition of The Union.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
--------

There's already Holiday music available, 'Buffalo Guy, Won't You Come Out Tonight'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2024 06:31 PM (XeU6L)

111 If the Hamas terrorism support team can keep this up until the D's convention in Chicago things are going be lit. Probably literally.
Posted by: Lost in Space


I remember Chicago '68.
They can make it even better, bigger, badder than before.
Come on Dems, you pussies!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 16, 2024 06:31 PM (W/lyH)

112 What the press is hiding from the readers is that--equating yelling at a school board meeting to intimidation of a witness in a murder trial, because both are "obstructing official proceedings."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 16, 2024 06:21 PM (yikga)

Soon, questioning your Congresscritter for any reason will be equated with obstructing official proceedings.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 16, 2024 06:32 PM (8sMut)

113 I may have done a lotta stuff not so great in my life but I hope that kid will never forget that experience. He probably caught 40 flounder in an hours time.
Posted by: Divide by Zero


Gig 'em!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 06:32 PM (/SITW)

114 I wonder if there is a way to goad the mob into acting?
Posted by: rickb223
-------
They are self-actuating psychotics. No goading required.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2024 06:33 PM (XeU6L)

115 Legal Insurrection.

Lockheed-Martin just won a lawsuit because the expert witness that was supposed to testify on how nasty the chemicals Lockheed-Martin produces are has been bounced from the case by the judge due to flagrant plagiarism.

This 'expert' is an Assistant Professor of Pathology for Harvard.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2024 06:34 PM (g0rWy)

116 Gig 'em!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 06:32 PM (/SITW)

My Dad was deadly with a gig. I was with him one night when he got 36 bullfrogs and missed only 2.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 16, 2024 06:34 PM (pohLc)

117 Soon, questioning your Congresscritter for any reason will be equated with obstructing official proceedings.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 16, 2024 06:32 PM (8sMut)
---
Because, you HATE AMERICA! -- Joe Scarintern

Posted by: Axeman at April 16, 2024 06:34 PM (krQz2)

118 Nood

Posted by: Cosda at April 16, 2024 06:34 PM (aDzty)

119 I wonder if there is a way to goad the mob into acting?

Just need one crazy screaming...

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 16, 2024 06:35 PM (g0rWy)

120 100 Ad on Twitter. Guess what kind of person is in the pic:

@AeromexicoUSA
Ad
Your safety is our top priority. Our advanced fleet and expert pilots will give you peace of mind while flying.
Posted by: weft cut-loop


Pedro and hs burro?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 16, 2024 06:28 PM (/SITW)

Probably not:

https://tinyurl.com/mupd5dkh

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 16, 2024 06:35 PM (di6C2)

121 Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 16, 2024 06:30 PM (RKVpM)

It was six decades ago and my Uncle Tom, an off the boat tali, would take me to Barnegat Inlet where I enjoyed that very experience. Wow. Thx

Posted by: 7 man at April 16, 2024 06:35 PM (Gfz8S)

122 The solicitor general sounds like a Karen. I'm surprised she wasn't talking through a mask

Posted by: Cory C at April 16, 2024 06:39 PM (Ii59e)

123
Posted by: 7 man at April 16, 2024 06:35 PM

Used to ride up to Barnegat Inlet and park with all the other boaters on a nearby island and build sand castles with my youngsters.

Maybe have a beer and a sandwich.

The 'before' times.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 16, 2024 06:40 PM (RKVpM)

124 Lockheed-Martin just won a lawsuit because the expert witness that was supposed to testify on how nasty the chemicals Lockheed-Martin produces are has been bounced from the case by the judge due to flagrant plagiarism.
-------

Involvement in liability cases will quickly convince one that an 'expert' can be found and hired to say *anything*.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 16, 2024 06:41 PM (XeU6L)

125 I am so sick and tired of hearing that the 3 leftist judges on the court vote lock-step in every.single.fucking.case.


And no, don't tell me our side does the same. Because they don't.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at April 16, 2024 06:20 PM (BN9Gq)
---
Cause-based vs. Principles-based.

When you're working for a cause, almost any decision can be made if it furthers the cause.

When you're considering various principles and weighing them all, it's all about which principles are being ignored.

The cause has one main input. Principles are numerous inputs. The cause wants the cause to win. Balance wins when we weigh principles.

Posted by: Axeman at April 16, 2024 06:41 PM (krQz2)

126 Just need one crazy screaming...
Posted by: Anna Puma
------

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Bill Ayers, SDS at April 16, 2024 06:42 PM (XeU6L)

127 Congress passed a flawed law ("otherwise"which the Regime stretched beyond intent or common sense. Just for Conservatives.

It's okay when the Left does it

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at April 16, 2024 06:46 PM (IUTn5)

128 "If they decide against the government this could blow a big hole in Jack Smith's prosecution of Trump in DC."

plus, Smith (and Mueller) were not legally (unconstitutional) appointed. Appointed by Garland, not the prez with approval of Congress.

https://tinyurl.com/mub6uarx
reason / Volokh Conspiracy

Posted by: illiniwek at April 16, 2024 06:54 PM (Cus5s)

129 The good guys need to win this one. Just not sure if Roberts, Kav and Coney have the balls they need to do the right thing.

Posted by: forheremenaremen at April 16, 2024 08:08 PM (AoBm8)

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