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Gun Thread: Wacky Solar Eclipse Edition!
Homework Review So last week we had a homework assignment, which was to watch a short video on a concealed carry encounter between two drivers at an airport. The video is below in case you missed it last week.
Two guys, Cab Guy and Gun Guy are driving around at an airport when a traffic fracas occurs. Gun Guy says Cab Guy cut him off and stopped blocking the lane in an aggressive or threatening manner. That's when Cop Guy gets involved. Cab Guy claims Gun Guy brandished a firearm during the encounter, while Gun Guy claims he only waved a cased weapon at Cab Guy. Cop Guy asks Cab Guy to describe the weapon which he explains was a black pistol, and that's what was eventually found to be in the case. Throughout the encounter, Gun Guy insists the weapon was a cased the entire time, and Cab Guy insists he saw a gun. Gun Guy tells Cop Guy he thinks the way Cab Guy blocked his travel lane suggested the encounter might escalate further, and waved the cased weapon to deter Cab Guy. Ultimately Gun Guy is cuffed and hauled off to jail. With me so far? Rules for Discussion
I hate to include this since 99.8% of all y'all are cool, but for the remaining .2%; feel free to offer your opinion on the encounter in the video, but keep in mind that it is only your opinion. If you disagree with someone, do so politely and respectfully. If you are unsure what politely and respectfully mean, either err on the side of extreme niceness or keep your opinion to yourself. Q: Weasel, are you kidding? Can't we behave like assholes to one another?
A: Please, and I'm asking nicely to set a good example, do not. Points for Discussion
- Was Gun Guy in the right, or a complete retard?
- Was Cab Guy a retard, or completely blameless?
- How about Cop Guy, was the decision to make an arrest justified?
- Should waving a pistol case or pistol rug be considered brandishing?
- Is brandishing a firearm ever a good idea? Looking forward to a polite and respectful discussion in the comments.
Fundamentals Review
Did you really think I wasn't going to include fundamentals? For week three, let's review the topics we have covered so far, stance and grip. First we have shooting stance
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Musical Interlude
Here is The Marshall Tucker Band in 1973 with Can't You See in honor of the Sun being devoured by the Moon.
Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video continues the series on finding a carry gun.
The cigar company known as My Father is an operation run by Jaime Garcia, and his father, a very prominent Cuban expat cigar figure, Jose "Pepin" Garcia. The son blended a new cigar as a tribute to his father on the sly, but was found out, and when the blend was well received, a new brand was born, named My Father, as that tribute Jaime had intended all along. The father/son pair blends some of the most highly regarded cigars on the market today. My Father's "The Judge" is a nice looking dark brown stick (in this case the corona gorda size, 5-5/8 X 46). Wrapper is from Ecuador, rest of it from Nicaragua. The burn was even and the draw was a bit tight but OK. I got a smooth earthy richness throughout, with a hint of sweetness recurring. Most rate this cigar as full bodied, but for me it was more medium-full, if on the full end of that category. Overall a very nice cigar. It's not one to burn while doing yard work (or sizing 30-06 brass) - they go for $9, and up, online. But they seem well worth the price.Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you very much!
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Bang
Posted by: Skip at April 07, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)
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Who was Bing Bang Benny?
Posted by: Ciampino - It's a choo-choo train at April 07, 2024 07:00 PM (qfLjt)
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Bangbamboom
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 07:00 PM (NxC5+)
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Good evening horde. Thanks Weasel.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:00 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Gunthusiasts, assemble.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:03 PM (R7l+6)
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Supposed to be %90 eclipse here, if cloud cover helps. Have 2x stained glass pieces to see through.
On topic, getting nicer out I need to find a place to try my homemade black powder with my Brown Bess
On topic, getting nicer out I need to find a place to try my homemade black powder with my Brown Bess
Posted by: Skip at April 07, 2024 07:03 PM (fwDg9)
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Messenger bag. Now that’s scary dome kind!
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 07:03 PM (NxC5+)
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Howdy Weasel! Hello Hordelings!
Posted by: Doof at April 07, 2024 07:04 PM (a1415)
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Weaslbeenz are the perfect transition from the food thread to the gun thread
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:05 PM (R7l+6)
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I assembled it but I'm missing a screw, heh heh.
Posted by: Ciampino - The Internet of Cats at April 07, 2024 07:05 PM (qfLjt)
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They must be washing dishes downstairs. This why we use paper plates, people.
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 07:06 PM (NxC5+)
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Ciampino, no one will notice.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:07 PM (R7l+6)
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I have not fully done my homework, but I think Gun Guy was the ahole. There are some legal fine points, no doubt, but waving a cased gun seems as though it could easily meet whatever the definition of brandishing is.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 07:07 PM (oBPoz)
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9 Weaslbeenz are the perfect transition from the food thread to the gun thread
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:05 PM (R7l+6)
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Are you going to shoot the cook?
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:05 PM (R7l+6)
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Are you going to shoot the cook?
Posted by: Ciampino - The Internet of/for Cats at April 07, 2024 07:08 PM (qfLjt)
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2024 07:09 PM (Wnv9h)
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When the guy in the car said he didn't know what kind of gun was in the case, I did not bother watching any further. The guy obviously knew nothing about guns and should not have been "brandishing" it in any way. It was loaded. You should never Brandish a loaded gun. That is pretty much rule number 1.
I didn't need know anything else about the kerfuffle.
I didn't need know anything else about the kerfuffle.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 07:10 PM (t/2Uw)
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thanks, again Weasel!
Gun guy was a tool and a fool. Busy airport, one needs to understand things are chaotic and pulling out a gun because you got cut off, no bueno.
I've been in a situation where I thought I might be attacked, but, the gun did not come out. I made sure my weapon was ready to hand but, I darn sure didn't wave it around. Now, had the guy gotten out of his vehicle, yeah, he'd have seen a 1911 and been invited to get back into his vehicle.
"disparity of force, younger fitter guy probably 30 years younger than myself.
Gun guy was a tool and a fool. Busy airport, one needs to understand things are chaotic and pulling out a gun because you got cut off, no bueno.
I've been in a situation where I thought I might be attacked, but, the gun did not come out. I made sure my weapon was ready to hand but, I darn sure didn't wave it around. Now, had the guy gotten out of his vehicle, yeah, he'd have seen a 1911 and been invited to get back into his vehicle.
"disparity of force, younger fitter guy probably 30 years younger than myself.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:10 PM (tT6L1)
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Ciampino, absolutely not. To know this guy is to love him.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:11 PM (R7l+6)
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Brandishing your gun in a minor disagreement is 100% a retard move imo.
Posted by: polynikes at April 07, 2024 07:11 PM (AIm4E)
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I haven't fired a shot since October last year. Life has gotten in the way.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2024 07:11 PM (QNSds)
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Great, the week I finally have a range report, there was homework. So, range report first....TRex and I took our new gubs to the range with the MGC, and yes, we had a specific plan. Fundamentals. My agenda was stance, breathing, and trigger control. And for the first time ever, I felt like I belonged at the range. There were some strays (one even found its way into the bullseye in a smaller target!) but 95% of my shots wound up in the center target – in the black and in the red. I’ve never had this type of success. And I will admit, it’s addictive. So, our plan is to hit the range at least twice a week. Now I gotta go buy more ammo….
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Here. Fashionably late.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 07:12 PM (0KnEB)
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Last week: No range visit. Weather was completely horrible. At the last minute, it appeared that there was a brief window of non-horrible weather, but the range was entirely booked for that window. Should have gotten up earlier.
This week: range visit. I now have groups that get past my shame threshold, and am on to the hard work of stopping my bad habits. I know from straight razor shaving that this takes a long time, and it's not something I can practice at home. I never flinch when dry-firing. I will beat this, through sheer dogged persistence.
Complicating this session was that my brand-new pistol malfunctioned after a couple of mags, with the slide frozen about 1/2" short of full return and, I am pretty sure, a round in the chamber. I plan to take it to a professional. Online searches tells me I am far from the first to have this problem with this pistol. Annoying.
This week: range visit. I now have groups that get past my shame threshold, and am on to the hard work of stopping my bad habits. I know from straight razor shaving that this takes a long time, and it's not something I can practice at home. I never flinch when dry-firing. I will beat this, through sheer dogged persistence.
Complicating this session was that my brand-new pistol malfunctioned after a couple of mags, with the slide frozen about 1/2" short of full return and, I am pretty sure, a round in the chamber. I plan to take it to a professional. Online searches tells me I am far from the first to have this problem with this pistol. Annoying.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 07:13 PM (oBPoz)
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Thanks for the thread, Weasel.
Posted by: scampydog at April 07, 2024 07:13 PM (K4lvp)
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SGammo tells me ammo prices are going up May 1.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 07:14 PM (oBPoz)
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RIRed, you are NOT excused.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:14 PM (R7l+6)
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Before I forget, we'll be thinking of you tomorrow Nurse. Safe travels and may the event bring every happiness to all of you!
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Another convert to WeaselDoctrine! Focus on fundamentals and the groups take care of themselves.
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Another convert to WeaselDoctrine! Focus on fundamentals and the groups take care of themselves.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:15 PM (JwHpX)
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If he did wave his case I probably would have thought ' Why are you waving your purse at me ?'
Posted by: polynikes at April 07, 2024 07:15 PM (AIm4E)
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Finally, at least before the homework, hello and thanks Weasel. Sent you an email when you get a chance.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I was in the area for the last total eclipse. It was pretty cool. Everything got dark, the streetlights came on, and every dog started howling ("I'm a dog, I can't be expected to deal with this!").
I got some pictures of the event, but they really don't show anything distinct.
PS: I think Car Guy was wrong to flash the gun. But jail? I don't know about that. Maybe Cab Guy was a Muslim or an illegal, which already means the law doesn't apply to them.
I got some pictures of the event, but they really don't show anything distinct.
PS: I think Car Guy was wrong to flash the gun. But jail? I don't know about that. Maybe Cab Guy was a Muslim or an illegal, which already means the law doesn't apply to them.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 07, 2024 07:15 PM (CHHv1)
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RIRed, you are NOT excused.
Posted by: Ben Had
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RIRed, when Ben goes for coffee we will glue the feet of his chair to the floor. And empty the stapler on his seating chart.
Posted by: Ben Had
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RIRed, when Ben goes for coffee we will glue the feet of his chair to the floor. And empty the stapler on his seating chart.
Posted by: scampydog at April 07, 2024 07:17 PM (K4lvp)
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30 Finally, at least before the homework, hello and thanks Weasel. Sent you an email when you get a chance.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I know I owe you several!
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I know I owe you several!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:18 PM (JwHpX)
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Gun Guy was an idgit, but the incident serves as a reminder, or object lesson, or whatever you want to call it. I have really worked over the years to control my temper, and there have been times that I have been nearly provoked enough to draw a weapon. Nearly. Until I took a half second to reflect on what a bad idea that would be. It is never worth it unless you are dead certain that you are in physical danger and there is no alternative.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 07, 2024 07:19 PM (3rnQf)
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Aww, Ben Had!
I have multiple excuses. Best one is I have ribs on the grill.
Second best is I took a brief nap and set my alarm for 7.
I could go on.
I have multiple excuses. Best one is I have ribs on the grill.
Second best is I took a brief nap and set my alarm for 7.
I could go on.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 07:19 PM (0KnEB)
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Really, really serious about guns and ammo as well. How about a carbine ? Or a lever-action pistol caliber ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:19 PM (npuy0)
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- Was Gun Guy in the right, or a complete retard?
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R*tard, clearly; he should have had a 'silver' handgun in a black case.
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R*tard, clearly; he should have had a 'silver' handgun in a black case.
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 07:20 PM (vtyCZ)
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Weasel in box is full. Try again later.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:20 PM (R7l+6)
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I'll bite on the homework.
Gun guy was premature and escalated rather than de-escalated the situation. He was cut off in traffic, but cab guy had not directed a threat towards gun guy. A court would say that gun guy did not have a reasonable belief that he was in danger of bodily harm. A court would look at the context and say that being cut off in traffic at an airport does not warrant deadly force.
Gun guy had the opportunity to de-escalate and withdraw. Better to avoid a gub-related situation altogether than fight about who was right later.
Gun guy lost his credibility when he claimed to wave a bag but not a gun. Seems unlikely that he brandished a gub bag to send a message of deterrence.
Depending on state law, gun guy is legally permitted to have a gub in a bag in his car.
Cab guy likely didn't help things either. He could have diffused the situation. However, in a courtroom, a jury would determine whether he saw a gub or a gub bag but would give him some benefit of the doubt.
A LEO doesn't know whether the intent was road rage or deterrence, but will be skeptical that waving a gun at an airport is a good idea to de-escalate a situation.
Gun guy was premature and escalated rather than de-escalated the situation. He was cut off in traffic, but cab guy had not directed a threat towards gun guy. A court would say that gun guy did not have a reasonable belief that he was in danger of bodily harm. A court would look at the context and say that being cut off in traffic at an airport does not warrant deadly force.
Gun guy had the opportunity to de-escalate and withdraw. Better to avoid a gub-related situation altogether than fight about who was right later.
Gun guy lost his credibility when he claimed to wave a bag but not a gun. Seems unlikely that he brandished a gub bag to send a message of deterrence.
Depending on state law, gun guy is legally permitted to have a gub in a bag in his car.
Cab guy likely didn't help things either. He could have diffused the situation. However, in a courtroom, a jury would determine whether he saw a gub or a gub bag but would give him some benefit of the doubt.
A LEO doesn't know whether the intent was road rage or deterrence, but will be skeptical that waving a gun at an airport is a good idea to de-escalate a situation.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:20 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Does anyone here have any experience with the Beretta Px4 Storm 40 Compact? It is advertised as having a low recoil due to the rotating barrel. The reviews I have seen say it's a good shooter.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM (QB+5g)
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My son asked about home defense. I like my old Remington WingMaster and 870 pumps, but I hear newer ones have quality issues so maybe a Mossberg?
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM (wBaIH)
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Brandishing any type of firearm is never a good idea, unless you intend to use it. This is why we keep our finger off of the trigger unless necessary.
Posted by: jackcoke at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM (EFQuV)
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The eclipse madness has begun here in NE Texas. Every single hotel room, camp ground spot and day pass for the State Park has been sold. Walmart was insane this morning, the line for the self checkouts was curled back past the carts almost to the door coming in. Traffic is horrendous and it is also Trade Days. We are staying home as much as possible.
Hopefully it doesn't end like the Day of the Triffids movie.
Hopefully it doesn't end like the Day of the Triffids movie.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM (QNSds)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM (HlyYF)
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RIRed, ribs on the grill and not sharing is 50 demerits.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:22 PM (R7l+6)
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No firing guns this week, but did fire some grassland at the farm.
Plenty of excitement since the embers jumped a 50' fire break and we had to pounce on the spot fire. (Good thing my posse were all Republicans that were quite practiced at pouncing!)
Still in a two year drought, so hopefully some prescribed burns and some rain will make it safe to shoot again in the near future.
Plenty of excitement since the embers jumped a 50' fire break and we had to pounce on the spot fire. (Good thing my posse were all Republicans that were quite practiced at pouncing!)
Still in a two year drought, so hopefully some prescribed burns and some rain will make it safe to shoot again in the near future.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 07, 2024 07:22 PM (HlyYF)
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Range report:
Hit the range to shoot a 500 yard match. Progressive targets, 10" 8" 5" and 2". All were on a bar close enough one could easily hit the wrong target. Shots needed to be made in order, left to right, large to small with points assigned based on hits,. Shoot the sequence then put round on the 2" until the round count limit is reached.
(Only one who showed, which was a bummer because it was fine shooting weather yesterday) Anyway, the I managed to get the wind doped out fairly quickly, But, first shot I put on the 5" target made it go away. Nothing like a "no doubt" impact. The 2" target was a swinger and I hit it square. That thing spun like a top on the cross bar. I managed to hit it 3 out of 4 before I was done. Though, truth be told, one of the hits on the 2" was me missing my first shot at the 5" target.
From there moved out to 1,000 yards. I could hit the 10" but the 5" target at 1,000 yards defeated me. Oh well. Fine day of shooting, though.
Hit the range to shoot a 500 yard match. Progressive targets, 10" 8" 5" and 2". All were on a bar close enough one could easily hit the wrong target. Shots needed to be made in order, left to right, large to small with points assigned based on hits,. Shoot the sequence then put round on the 2" until the round count limit is reached.
(Only one who showed, which was a bummer because it was fine shooting weather yesterday) Anyway, the I managed to get the wind doped out fairly quickly, But, first shot I put on the 5" target made it go away. Nothing like a "no doubt" impact. The 2" target was a swinger and I hit it square. That thing spun like a top on the cross bar. I managed to hit it 3 out of 4 before I was done. Though, truth be told, one of the hits on the 2" was me missing my first shot at the 5" target.
From there moved out to 1,000 yards. I could hit the 10" but the 5" target at 1,000 yards defeated me. Oh well. Fine day of shooting, though.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:23 PM (tT6L1)
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Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea.
This has been an INCREDIBLY gubby week for us here at casa blaster. We are just home from the biweekly DMV MGC range day and MiniMoMe.
We talked a LOT about weasel, btw.
It was all good, really.
This has been an INCREDIBLY gubby week for us here at casa blaster. We are just home from the biweekly DMV MGC range day and MiniMoMe.
We talked a LOT about weasel, btw.
It was all good, really.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:23 PM (IFNME)
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I have multiple excuses. Best one is I have ribs on the grill.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 07:19 PM
Ribs on the grill? You are excused! Can't waste tasty victuals.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 07:19 PM
Ribs on the grill? You are excused! Can't waste tasty victuals.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 07, 2024 07:24 PM (HlyYF)
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No brandishing. It never ends well.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 07, 2024 07:24 PM (fPaY0)
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Gun guy was premature and escalated rather than de-escalated the situation. He was cut off in traffic, but cab guy had not directed a threat towards gun guy.
How many people buy a compound sliding mitre saw ... and think about if they really should cut that 4x4, on three different planes ?
Seriously. If you feel that things are going to end in you taking an ass beating ? Why not use the gun ? If you drive, day in and out, with no thought about taking an ass beating ? Why have the gun ?
Or just link, wireless, to Andrew Branca. So he can tell you to either take the ass beating, or not.
How many people buy a compound sliding mitre saw ... and think about if they really should cut that 4x4, on three different planes ?
Seriously. If you feel that things are going to end in you taking an ass beating ? Why not use the gun ? If you drive, day in and out, with no thought about taking an ass beating ? Why have the gun ?
Or just link, wireless, to Andrew Branca. So he can tell you to either take the ass beating, or not.
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:24 PM (npuy0)
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Hello, Weasel! Limited participation for me tonight. I flew back from HI yesterday and am still feeling the jet lag. And I have to go to work tomorrow.
Grateful, congratulations on your progress! Yes, it takes more than a few rounds, but it really does feel good to put the holes where you want them in the paper.
Grateful, congratulations on your progress! Yes, it takes more than a few rounds, but it really does feel good to put the holes where you want them in the paper.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:24 PM (yRXSd)
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Mister Scott, I purposely planned not to have to go back to town until Wednesday.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:24 PM (R7l+6)
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Umm, I wrote down my answer for the homework and then my dog ate it.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:25 PM (IFNME)
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Off to chew ribs. I’ll save some, Ms. Had.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (0KnEB)
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Mister Scott, I purposely planned not to have to go back to town until Wednesday.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:24 PM
That was my plan as well until the flapper in the wife's toilet decided to fail. Went to try and get a spare at Walmart this morning....no friggin way. Turned the water off to the toilet and will try again tomorrow at 0600 when they open the doors.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:24 PM
That was my plan as well until the flapper in the wife's toilet decided to fail. Went to try and get a spare at Walmart this morning....no friggin way. Turned the water off to the toilet and will try again tomorrow at 0600 when they open the doors.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (QNSds)
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No brandishing. It never ends well.
Really ? So you can't show the gun to the car-jacker ? Because it won't bully him into maybe not pulling on your neck and dragging you out ?
I get it. This is the "never show a gun unless you mean to use it" line. Do you really think, every time you show it, that you'll have to use it ?
Really ? So you can't show the gun to the car-jacker ? Because it won't bully him into maybe not pulling on your neck and dragging you out ?
I get it. This is the "never show a gun unless you mean to use it" line. Do you really think, every time you show it, that you'll have to use it ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
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We talked a LOT about weasel, btw.
It was all good, really.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:23 PM (IFNME)
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I bet it was!
It was all good, really.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:23 PM (IFNME)
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I bet it was!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (JwHpX)
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I'm tardy and I didn't do the homework. But I did go to the range!
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (wQXfi)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:28 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM (wBaIH)
Mossberg 500 or 590A1. If they're reliable enough for the USN and USMC, they ought to be good enough to get the job done for you. Lots of trigger time from the USMC in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other unpleasant vacation spots over the last 25 years.
Mossberg 500 or 590A1. If they're reliable enough for the USN and USMC, they ought to be good enough to get the job done for you. Lots of trigger time from the USMC in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other unpleasant vacation spots over the last 25 years.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:29 PM (yRXSd)
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Gub things that happened this week. Chronologically or as I remember them.
1. Monday we got home from Easter in South Carolina. We had visited the PSA mothership in West Columbia and bought some ammo (a case of 9mm) and some Sig mags. Yes mentioned in the Easter gun thread but we actually got home with the ammo and mags in this week, so it counts.
1. Monday we got home from Easter in South Carolina. We had visited the PSA mothership in West Columbia and bought some ammo (a case of 9mm) and some Sig mags. Yes mentioned in the Easter gun thread but we actually got home with the ammo and mags in this week, so it counts.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:29 PM (IFNME)
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41 My son asked about home defense. I like my old Remington WingMaster and 870 pumps, but I hear newer ones have quality issues so maybe a Mossberg?
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM
Lots of 870s at the pawn shops around my area. I already have two that have been handed down to me. My oldest one is from the 1950's and the action is still silky smooth.
Lots of them in the pawn shops look like they have been in an attic for 40 years. Should still be fine guns if not stored in humid conditions.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM
Lots of 870s at the pawn shops around my area. I already have two that have been handed down to me. My oldest one is from the 1950's and the action is still silky smooth.
Lots of them in the pawn shops look like they have been in an attic for 40 years. Should still be fine guns if not stored in humid conditions.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 07, 2024 07:29 PM (HlyYF)
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Range(?) report, from Easter:
Really more just plinking in the garden.
We set some water bottles and an empty cracker box across the stream, and took turns testing our ARs. SiL managed to shoot one of the bottles into a tree. And then she shot it out of the tree. That was probably the most exciting part of it.
Of the 12 bottles we set out, four were completely unharmed by the end, and there were not nearly enough holes in the cracker box.
One of these days we might have to spring for proper targets.
Really more just plinking in the garden.
We set some water bottles and an empty cracker box across the stream, and took turns testing our ARs. SiL managed to shoot one of the bottles into a tree. And then she shot it out of the tree. That was probably the most exciting part of it.
Of the 12 bottles we set out, four were completely unharmed by the end, and there were not nearly enough holes in the cracker box.
One of these days we might have to spring for proper targets.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at April 07, 2024 07:29 PM (YDkn3)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM (T4tVD)
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Ed, many thanks. Much of this is due to your patient teaching. I am saving the target to show you in person next time we meet!
BTW, TRex chose the Sig 226 MK 25.....so you taught him well!
BTW, TRex chose the Sig 226 MK 25.....so you taught him well!
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I haven't had a pig to shoot in 6 months.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM (R7l+6)
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I get it. This is the "never show a gun unless you mean to use it" line. Do you really think, every time you show it, that you'll have to use it ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
Don't make weasel tap the sign.
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
Don't make weasel tap the sign.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM (IFNME)
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FF has seen fit to redact all of the videos. Bless their rabid little hearts.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM (eGNbo)
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Gub!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM (V8he0)
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Mossberg 500 or 590A1. If they're reliable enough for the USN and USMC, they ought to be good enough to get the job done for you.
In my day, you got the Remington 700 - no question. With the slug barrel. Now ? I'd get the Mossberg 590 Marine.
In my day, you got the Remington 700 - no question. With the slug barrel. Now ? I'd get the Mossberg 590 Marine.
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:31 PM (npuy0)
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If you are about to be car-jacked you are reasonably in fear of your life and can therefore draw, imo.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 07, 2024 07:31 PM (fPaY0)
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@practical, two different scenarios. If I'm puling out a gun to fend off a car jacker and they run off, while what I did could be construed as "waving" I was planning to pull the trigger, period.
Some guy cuts me off in traffic? I'm not pulling out my gun for that.
Some guy cuts me off in traffic? I'm not pulling out my gun for that.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:31 PM (tT6L1)
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The guy did not know what kind of gun it was. Who carries around a gun in a car and doesn;t know what kind of gun it is. Had he ever even fired it? It was loaded and I also don;t believe it was in the bag. His story makes no sense.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 07:31 PM (t/2Uw)
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I just watched the latest Space X launch. It's incredible that they can now throw nearly a dozen satellites into orbit and retrieve the primary launch vehicle in less than 10 minutes.
Genius engineering at work.
Genius engineering at work.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 07, 2024 07:31 PM (BpYfr)
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Gun guy was very stupid.
Posted by: fd at April 07, 2024 07:31 PM (vFG9F)
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57 Really ? So you can't show the gun to the car-jacker ? Because it won't bully him into maybe not pulling on your neck and dragging you out ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM
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A car-jacking in progress is an imminent threat. An angry cab driver at distance is a different fact pattern.
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM
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A car-jacking in progress is an imminent threat. An angry cab driver at distance is a different fact pattern.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
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2. After buying ammo, I bought more ammo. Needed some 9mm frangible because we are going to this steel shoot competition thing! So 500 rounds of that. For now....
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:33 PM (IFNME)
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67 I haven't had a pig to shoot in 6 months.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM
Word travels fast about your place in the feral hog community!
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM
Word travels fast about your place in the feral hog community!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 07, 2024 07:33 PM (HlyYF)
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Sigh. I failed to do the homework, as well. What a slacker I am.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 07:34 PM (V8he0)
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Pillage Idiot, hugs.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 07:35 PM (R7l+6)
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Hi Ben Had! How are things in TX?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:35 PM (tT6L1)
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Blake, just the pistol. It's absolutely beautiful. Pics will be on a future GT. (Excuse my brevity, I'm on my swing and trying to type on the phone and I'm too 29 to be good at that. More after the sun goes down)
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 07:35 PM (wQXfi)
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Hugs right back at ya!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 07, 2024 07:35 PM (HlyYF)
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 07:37 PM (wQXfi)
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BTW, TRex chose the Sig 226 MK 25.....so you taught him well!
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM (IQ6Gq)
That's great! Did he get one w/ a threaded barrel?
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:30 PM (IQ6Gq)
That's great! Did he get one w/ a threaded barrel?
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:37 PM (yRXSd)
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The cab driver (cab driver!) was not about to carjack the guy in the middle of a busy airport.
The bottom line for me is that you should not carry a gun unless you know how to use it. This guy did not know what kind of gun was in the case. You cannot convince me he had ever been to a range, had any idea what could have happened while waving around a loaded gun. Even if it was inside the case, it could have gone off and injured himself, the cab driver or an innocent bystander. Brandishing, waving around a gun is never NEVER what one should do.
The bottom line for me is that you should not carry a gun unless you know how to use it. This guy did not know what kind of gun was in the case. You cannot convince me he had ever been to a range, had any idea what could have happened while waving around a loaded gun. Even if it was inside the case, it could have gone off and injured himself, the cab driver or an innocent bystander. Brandishing, waving around a gun is never NEVER what one should do.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 07:37 PM (t/2Uw)
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3. The steel shoot competition thing! It was Wednesday! sra blaster and I participated, and TRex and Grateful came out to cheer us on, and see what it was about.
I am going to write it up for gun thread material and provide more detail. But BLUF: We scored...poorly. And we had a ton of fun!
Adrenaline and movement affect how you shoot. That is all.
I am going to write it up for gun thread material and provide more detail. But BLUF: We scored...poorly. And we had a ton of fun!
Adrenaline and movement affect how you shoot. That is all.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:38 PM (IFNME)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 07:38 PM (V8he0)
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Great job, grateful. Remember, you'll look back fondly on those days when you thought a 50 round box of pistol ammo was sufficient for your needs.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:39 PM (tT6L1)
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Re brandishing: the way I understand it, if you even think the law is going to get involved, you better not show any firearms unless it is clear it is shoot or die. This is even more pronounced anywhere outside a very red rural small town. And the law will try much harder to sink a gun owner than an obvious criminal or thug wannabe. Have the firearm but work harder on looking like "difficult target with not much reward" to discourage attempts and try to not lose your temper at Cab Guy types when carrying
Posted by: azjaeger at April 07, 2024 07:39 PM (3/XaG)
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SID, thanks so much. It was mentioned today that I should take the concealed carry class (!?) and all I could think about was your recounting of your CC experience, lol.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:39 PM (IQ6Gq)
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86 That's great! Did he get one w/ a threaded barrel?
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:37 PM
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Couldn't buy one with that spec, but it is in the Sig catalog and is on the list...
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:37 PM
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Couldn't buy one with that spec, but it is in the Sig catalog and is on the list...
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:39 PM (IQ6Gq)
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A car-jacking in progress is an imminent threat. An angry cab driver at distance is a different fact pattern.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
I see this, here, especially. Is this how you do it ? Do you have that tool, next to you, yet go through some protocol where you judge - based upon immediate danger and possible legal outcomes based upon Andrew Branca or your own reading - where the worst outcome is worse than your own internal calculations about possible judgements versus immediate personal danger ?
Or do you just grab hold of the tool, and say "No". We've hit a red line. Regardless of discussion. We've hit a "No.".
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
I see this, here, especially. Is this how you do it ? Do you have that tool, next to you, yet go through some protocol where you judge - based upon immediate danger and possible legal outcomes based upon Andrew Branca or your own reading - where the worst outcome is worse than your own internal calculations about possible judgements versus immediate personal danger ?
Or do you just grab hold of the tool, and say "No". We've hit a red line. Regardless of discussion. We've hit a "No.".
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:40 PM (npuy0)
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Great job, grateful. Remember, you'll look back fondly on those days when you thought a 50 round box of pistol ammo was sufficient for your needs.
Posted by: blake
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When I bought the p365 I thought it would be the only gun I'd ever own...
Posted by: blake
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When I bought the p365 I thought it would be the only gun I'd ever own...
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 07:40 PM (wQXfi)
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Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:38 PM (IFNME)
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Competition will make you a better shooter. No question about it.
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Competition will make you a better shooter. No question about it.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM (JwHpX)
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I carry 24/7, no matter what. I always have my situational awareness on point and head on a swivel. I always remove myself from any shade ball situation, especially when driving, which looks to be a bad scene or may go south at any moment. Avoid, avoid, avoid unless your are forced to act but removing yourself from a situation is always in your best interest. Some one cuts you off, get away from them. Some one blows their horn because you made a sudden move, tell them "God Bless" and get away from them. Let the other guy go first even if it's your turn, no big deal.
Leave your ego at home, you won't miss it.
Leave your ego at home, you won't miss it.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM (R/m4+)
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What happens if you brandish an Replica or an Air Soft?
Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM (QB+5g)
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90, yes Blake, that happened today! Back to the ammo store....
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I got video now.
Indians regard the truth as a very precious thing; therefore they use it sparingly.
Indians regard the truth as a very precious thing; therefore they use it sparingly.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 07, 2024 07:43 PM (eGNbo)
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Competition will make you a better shooter. No question about it.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM
This is wisdom.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM
This is wisdom.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2024 07:43 PM (Wnv9h)
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"What happens if you brandish an Replica or an Air Soft?"
If the cops see you, you will get shot.
If the cops see you, you will get shot.
Posted by: fd at April 07, 2024 07:44 PM (vFG9F)
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4. We got our scores from the shoot on Thursday. sra blaster wants to watch some Steel Challenge videos on Youtube. NOTE: Steel Challenge is a sanctioned event with rules and stuff that are different from what our range does for Steel Shoot. For example, they shoot from static positions. But still, it was interesting to watch.
I shot a PSA Dagger with a dot, sra blaster shot my recently de-dotted P226 with iron sights (well iron and tritium). Watching the videos, and reviewing our competition, she realized everyone was shooting with dots, and she was not....
I shot a PSA Dagger with a dot, sra blaster shot my recently de-dotted P226 with iron sights (well iron and tritium). Watching the videos, and reviewing our competition, she realized everyone was shooting with dots, and she was not....
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:45 PM (IFNME)
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When I bought the p365 I thought it would be the only gun I'd ever own...
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 07:40 PM (wQXfi)
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The only reason to divest of a firearm is to acquire a different firearm.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 07:40 PM (wQXfi)
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The only reason to divest of a firearm is to acquire a different firearm.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:45 PM (tT6L1)
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Range report:
Today's meeting of the DMV MGC was missing Ed L(due to his jet lag) but the rest of were there. I missed the last session so was anxious to get back to the firing liine. We had 3 lanes for 7 people sohad plenty of time to shoot and unlike the last couple of times, got on lanes without having to wait.
I mostly shot my old G48 and the new pretty lavender G48MOS. Wanted to see if there was any difference in t he feel. Not really. I shot a little better with the old gun but soon evened out. Plan is to buy the Holosun I want for the new one at the gun show in two weeks.
Then I pulled out the Kimber and proceeded to make one big hole in the paper i the middle of the target. I love that gun.
Today's meeting of the DMV MGC was missing Ed L(due to his jet lag) but the rest of were there. I missed the last session so was anxious to get back to the firing liine. We had 3 lanes for 7 people sohad plenty of time to shoot and unlike the last couple of times, got on lanes without having to wait.
I mostly shot my old G48 and the new pretty lavender G48MOS. Wanted to see if there was any difference in t he feel. Not really. I shot a little better with the old gun but soon evened out. Plan is to buy the Holosun I want for the new one at the gun show in two weeks.
Then I pulled out the Kimber and proceeded to make one big hole in the paper i the middle of the target. I love that gun.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 07:46 PM (t/2Uw)
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Weasel's gun thread homework.
I got 2 minutes into that video and CCW dude is dead wrong.
I've encountered numerous people who think that a CCW is permission to wave the fucking thing in everyone's face when confronted with normal daily interactions. A lot of them think they are quasi cops too. You usually know they are carrying within 30 seconds of talking to them.
"I've got my CCW!... blah blah blah."
I've carried for 30 odd years and the running total on the number of people who have found that out for wrong reasons is ZERO. Very few of my friends know. I simply don't talk about it. I'm glad I have never had to pull and hope it stays that way forever.
Damn sure never going to try and win a traffic spat with it.
Probably get laughed at anyway.. "What you gonna do with that little thing?".
I carry a folding 5 shot .22WMR North American Arms single action revolver. It's about the size of a Gerber utility plier. Slips into the side pocket on cargo pants real good.
I got 2 minutes into that video and CCW dude is dead wrong.
I've encountered numerous people who think that a CCW is permission to wave the fucking thing in everyone's face when confronted with normal daily interactions. A lot of them think they are quasi cops too. You usually know they are carrying within 30 seconds of talking to them.
"I've got my CCW!... blah blah blah."
I've carried for 30 odd years and the running total on the number of people who have found that out for wrong reasons is ZERO. Very few of my friends know. I simply don't talk about it. I'm glad I have never had to pull and hope it stays that way forever.
Damn sure never going to try and win a traffic spat with it.
Probably get laughed at anyway.. "What you gonna do with that little thing?".
I carry a folding 5 shot .22WMR North American Arms single action revolver. It's about the size of a Gerber utility plier. Slips into the side pocket on cargo pants real good.
Posted by: Reforger at April 07, 2024 07:46 PM (B705c)
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IIRC a youth was brandishing some kind of fake gun at a park some years ago and got himself shot and killed by the cops.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 07:47 PM (wQXfi)
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@blaster, "outlaw" or club matches tend to be a lot more fun, because they don't adhere as closely to the rules.
One a club goes full on match rules, fun sort of takes a back seat.
One a club goes full on match rules, fun sort of takes a back seat.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:47 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM (QB+5g)
Cops will arrest you if you don't get turned into Swiss cheese first by the first cops arriving to the scene. Minimum charges (I think) would be disorderly conduct, if the DA is feeling generous.
Cops will arrest you if you don't get turned into Swiss cheese first by the first cops arriving to the scene. Minimum charges (I think) would be disorderly conduct, if the DA is feeling generous.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:48 PM (yRXSd)
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Folks, Weasel used polite and respectful bolded three times.
Pro tip: This is a subtle hint that not being polite and respectful will irritate Weasel even more than wearing a big watch.
#DoNotIrritateWeasel
Pro tip: This is a subtle hint that not being polite and respectful will irritate Weasel even more than wearing a big watch.
#DoNotIrritateWeasel
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 07:48 PM (a3Q+t)
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I mean if he brandished like Gun Guy did. Is it a crime?
Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:49 PM (QB+5g)
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I thought Gun Guy used very poor judgment and found his claim to have displayed the cased pistol not credible. Being cut off and blocked is potentially an issue, although it seems like something that could happen at an airport very easily. If it was a threat, Gun Guy was at the wheel of a very devastating weapon. Much better to sit there and wait and see. No problem having the pistol handy, although as others have pointed out, Gun Guy didn't even know what kind of pistol it was. It seems unlikely that he would be able to put it to good use under pressure. He also seemed to know a lot about how things work at the Tarrant County Jail. I'm not sure what to make of that. In any case, he chose poorly. The cops may have done him a favor by way of a Reality Check.
Posted by: IronDave at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM (k3crU)
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@pawn, most, of not all, jurisdictions take a very dim view of brandishing firearms.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM (tT6L1)
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Ben I watch lots of videos on Hog Hunting, if your damn near out of them that's a good thing. But until totally eradicated they will be back
Posted by: Skip at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM (JwHpX)
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This is wisdom.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2024 07:43 PM
I believe The Style Guide recommends "There is iron in the words of Weasel for all Morons to see."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2024 07:43 PM
I believe The Style Guide recommends "There is iron in the words of Weasel for all Morons to see."
Posted by: Duncanthrax Ten Bears at April 07, 2024 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)
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an evil omen bringing death, destruction and disasters
First, omens don't *bring* disaster, they foretell them. They're coming whether the omen exists or not.
Second, if you haven't seen the other omens already, the eclipse isn't going to really grab your attention. Death, destruction and disaster is already here.
Third, I won't say anymore because we try to keep politics off this thread.
First, omens don't *bring* disaster, they foretell them. They're coming whether the omen exists or not.
Second, if you haven't seen the other omens already, the eclipse isn't going to really grab your attention. Death, destruction and disaster is already here.
Third, I won't say anymore because we try to keep politics off this thread.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 07:53 PM (69JzL)
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Pro tip: This is a subtle hint that not being polite and respectful will irritate Weasel even more than wearing a big watch.
#DoNotIrritateWeasel
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 07:48 PM
*applies calipers to watch*
Weasel dimensions are not wrong.
#DoNotIrritateWeasel
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 07:48 PM
*applies calipers to watch*
Weasel dimensions are not wrong.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2024 07:53 PM (Wnv9h)
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An Air Soft is not considered a firearm as far as I know.
Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:53 PM (QB+5g)
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Well hopefully up and out early as a long commute to want to get done work asap and bre home by 3pm if not 2:30.
Have a great evening everyone
Have a great evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at April 07, 2024 07:53 PM (fwDg9)
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75 I just watched the latest Space X launch. It's incredible that they can now throw nearly a dozen satellites into orbit and retrieve the primary launch vehicle in less than 10 minutes.
Genius engineering at work.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 07, 2024 07:31 PM (BpYfr)
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It is amazing.
I was curious as to the reason we were not shown the second stage firing up and going into orbit. Usually we don't get to see the payload insertion because, I presume, some sort of trade secret (really!), but to switch the viewers off even before that is paranoid. We have seen orbital insertion of payloads before and it's cool.
Genius engineering at work.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 07, 2024 07:31 PM (BpYfr)
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It is amazing.
I was curious as to the reason we were not shown the second stage firing up and going into orbit. Usually we don't get to see the payload insertion because, I presume, some sort of trade secret (really!), but to switch the viewers off even before that is paranoid. We have seen orbital insertion of payloads before and it's cool.
Posted by: Ciampino - Orbital insertion - a needle in the eye at April 07, 2024 07:53 PM (qfLjt)
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- Was Gun Guy in the right, or a complete retard? --- Dumb
- Was Cab Guy a retard, or completely blameless? --- JackAss
- How about Cop Guy, was the decision to make an arrest justified? technically, yes - jackass? yes
- Should waving a pistol case or pistol rug be considered brandishing? a case or a rug is an object
- Is brandishing a firearm ever a good idea? Nope (what is brandishing)
Just finished the video.
The old man seems familiar with the arrest/bonding system. I would have thought 'get the lawyer/bondsman right now and get me out.
- Was Cab Guy a retard, or completely blameless? --- JackAss
- How about Cop Guy, was the decision to make an arrest justified? technically, yes - jackass? yes
- Should waving a pistol case or pistol rug be considered brandishing? a case or a rug is an object
- Is brandishing a firearm ever a good idea? Nope (what is brandishing)
Just finished the video.
The old man seems familiar with the arrest/bonding system. I would have thought 'get the lawyer/bondsman right now and get me out.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 07, 2024 07:55 PM (eGNbo)
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I never get tired of watching the launches and especially the booster recovery. That is just so cool.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:55 PM (JwHpX)
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All I will say is that it is a very good idea to restrain oneself with regards to the road rage stuff. It rarely ends well.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (V8he0)
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Rule 1: Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. (2) Rule 2: Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (t/2Uw)
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5. Friday night we are watching some videos on full size pistols with dots and she sees a P320 RX and says that looks promising. We search for them and the P320 RXZP full size is on sale at Cabelas for a very reasonable price. What time is it? Can we go to the range and rent a P320 and then we can go to Cabela's and buy one. Well, we always have to buy two. So we will get two, is that okay?
Ummm... - she says, hey, if we get two, that doesn't count against the P226 RXP Legion that you want, we can just get it later. So, fellas, let me say, if your wife says let's buy a gun, the answer is yes, right? If she says let's buy two guns, the answer is still yes. If your wife says let's buy THREE guns, well, the answer remains yes.
Ummm... - she says, hey, if we get two, that doesn't count against the P226 RXP Legion that you want, we can just get it later. So, fellas, let me say, if your wife says let's buy a gun, the answer is yes, right? If she says let's buy two guns, the answer is still yes. If your wife says let's buy THREE guns, well, the answer remains yes.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (IFNME)
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121 I was curious as to the reason we were not shown the second stage firing up and going into orbit. Usually we don't get to see the payload insertion because, I presume, some sort of trade secret (really!), but to switch the viewers off even before that is paranoid.
Posted by: Ciampino - Orbital insertion - a needle in the eye at April 07, 2024 07:53 PM
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This happens at customer request. Not a SpaceX issue. Typically, the customers making such requests are national intelligence in nature.
Posted by: Ciampino - Orbital insertion - a needle in the eye at April 07, 2024 07:53 PM
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This happens at customer request. Not a SpaceX issue. Typically, the customers making such requests are national intelligence in nature.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I was curious as to the reason we were not shown the second stage firing up and going into orbit. Usually we don't get to see the payload insertion because, I presume, some sort of trade secret (really!), but to switch the viewers off even before that is paranoid. We have seen orbital insertion of payloads before and it's cool.
Posted by: Ciampino - Orbital insertion - a needle in the eye
You are not allowed to see the alien work force activity required to separate the second stage!
Posted by: Ciampino - Orbital insertion - a needle in the eye
You are not allowed to see the alien work force activity required to separate the second stage!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (hOUT3)
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This week was Subgun, SBR and F/A week. Everything ran fine, the Sten, the AR9, the MK 760, the PPs 43C and the X16, all accurate 25 to 50 yards and no issues. The only issue was my old Olympic 9mm upper which I wanted to run F/A with my Olympic F/A AR lower just did not want to run F/A. It uses a Sten magazine insert and Sten mags which runs fine in semi but no go in F/A. I might have to play around with it buffer wise and see if I am getting a bit of a bolt bounce as the Olympic 9mm bolt is weighted but sure doesn't want to run F/A. I also shot my first Glock ever this week, my friend's Glock 19 Gen 3 with a new trigger and sights. Sweet pistol, may have to get one. Really nice set up and shot well.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (R/m4+)
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If it was a threat, Gun Guy was at the wheel of a very devastating weapon.
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Posted by: IronDave at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM (k3crU)
This
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Posted by: IronDave at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM (k3crU)
This
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 07, 2024 07:57 PM (fPaY0)
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Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 07:53 PM (69JzL)
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I figured someone would take that a little too literally.
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I figured someone would take that a little too literally.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:57 PM (JwHpX)
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I mean if he brandished like Gun Guy did. Is it a crime?
Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:49 PM (QB+5g)
Back in my college days, there were some guys who lived in an off campus apartment who cruised around shooting battery operated water guns at cars (which looked like TEC-9s) that cut them off or honked at them. Someone called 911 on them after having an encounter w/ them. An hour later, the guys were back at their apartment yukking things up over some beers when a volley of CS grenades came through their windows, followed by the sheriff's and state police SWAT teams wielding M-16s and MP-5s. Even though the guns weren't real, the DA hit them with multiple charges of assault and battery for their antics. I think they were fortunate to survive the experience without having holes shot in them by SWAT.
Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:49 PM (QB+5g)
Back in my college days, there were some guys who lived in an off campus apartment who cruised around shooting battery operated water guns at cars (which looked like TEC-9s) that cut them off or honked at them. Someone called 911 on them after having an encounter w/ them. An hour later, the guys were back at their apartment yukking things up over some beers when a volley of CS grenades came through their windows, followed by the sheriff's and state police SWAT teams wielding M-16s and MP-5s. Even though the guns weren't real, the DA hit them with multiple charges of assault and battery for their antics. I think they were fortunate to survive the experience without having holes shot in them by SWAT.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:57 PM (yRXSd)
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You are not allowed to see the alien work force activity required to separate the second stage!
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Tractor-beams!
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Tractor-beams!
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 07:59 PM (vtyCZ)
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If you threaten someone with a rubber knife that's probably a crime too.
Posted by: fd at April 07, 2024 07:59 PM (vFG9F)
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I meant to add: even more amazing is that tail-end landing, jjust like all rockets in SciFi stories. I guess nobody told SpaceX that 'it would be almost impossible so let's not go there'.
If you read the blurb, a small satellite only sets one back at about $500,000 - that's dirt cheap. NASA would probably do it for $10M.
I meant to add: even more amazing is that tail-end landing, jjust like all rockets in SciFi stories. I guess nobody told SpaceX that 'it would be almost impossible so let's not go there'.
If you read the blurb, a small satellite only sets one back at about $500,000 - that's dirt cheap. NASA would probably do it for $10M.
Posted by: Ciampino - Orbital insertion - a needle in the eye. at April 07, 2024 07:59 PM (qfLjt)
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Was it that obvious?
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM
You are a subtle man, Weasel, befitting an Honorary Texan, and I hoped to aid and assist some of our Yankee brethren and sisteren in avoiding the deployment of New York City brashness that might accidentally occur, resulting in a misunderstanding.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM
You are a subtle man, Weasel, befitting an Honorary Texan, and I hoped to aid and assist some of our Yankee brethren and sisteren in avoiding the deployment of New York City brashness that might accidentally occur, resulting in a misunderstanding.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 07:59 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:00 PM (JwHpX)
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Gun adjacent report, or, the "I failed physics " report:
Finally got the new shed installed and started moving stuff into it. In the process the large standing tool chest needed to be moved. I though, "Nah, no need to lock, only moving it out a little bit."
4" inches into swinging the chest out a couple of feet it stopped, the drawers did not and a quantity of brass and lead I store in the toolbox wound up on the floor. Along with some tools.
Ah, well, the tool box needed to be cleaned out anyway, I just wanted to wait at least another 10 years.
Finally got the new shed installed and started moving stuff into it. In the process the large standing tool chest needed to be moved. I though, "Nah, no need to lock, only moving it out a little bit."
4" inches into swinging the chest out a couple of feet it stopped, the drawers did not and a quantity of brass and lead I store in the toolbox wound up on the floor. Along with some tools.
Ah, well, the tool box needed to be cleaned out anyway, I just wanted to wait at least another 10 years.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:00 PM (tT6L1)
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Just bought a S&W Shield Plus in 30 Super Carry. They were practically giving it away. Also got a P-07. That was what i wanted the 30 SC was an impulse buy.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 07, 2024 08:01 PM (b4o9z)
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In my job, I train all the new Drivers in the operation of 14 passenger Transit vans. We cover the Galveston Cruise Ship Terminals, EVERY area hotel, and both Hobby Airport (HOU) and Bush Intercontinental Airport (IAH).
One thing I hammer home to the drivers, is that if someone "cuts you off" in traffic, they're not cutting YOU off, in traffic. In fact, they don't KNOW you, and couldn't give a damn if they did.
What happened, simply, is they mindlessly cut off a WHITE VAN of some kind, and which kind, they haven't a care. Including for the passengers you might be transporting at the time. What they didn't do, is cut YOU off, in traffic.
In other words, Leave Your Ego in the company parking lot, and always remember. Your first responsibility is to the safety of your passengers, and not YOUR tender feelings.
Same when in your private vehicle. The selfish driver just doesn't CARE about YOU, or they wouldn't have been driving according the rules of Asshole 101.
Now, should they go further, and TARGET your vehicle with continued, OVERT aggression, that's a whole 'nuther thing. And even then. De-escalate, Disengage, DETOUR!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
One thing I hammer home to the drivers, is that if someone "cuts you off" in traffic, they're not cutting YOU off, in traffic. In fact, they don't KNOW you, and couldn't give a damn if they did.
What happened, simply, is they mindlessly cut off a WHITE VAN of some kind, and which kind, they haven't a care. Including for the passengers you might be transporting at the time. What they didn't do, is cut YOU off, in traffic.
In other words, Leave Your Ego in the company parking lot, and always remember. Your first responsibility is to the safety of your passengers, and not YOUR tender feelings.
Same when in your private vehicle. The selfish driver just doesn't CARE about YOU, or they wouldn't have been driving according the rules of Asshole 101.
Now, should they go further, and TARGET your vehicle with continued, OVERT aggression, that's a whole 'nuther thing. And even then. De-escalate, Disengage, DETOUR!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 07, 2024 08:01 PM (e6UQI)
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Ummm... - she says, hey, if we get two, that doesn't count against the P226 RXP Legion that you want, we can just get it later. So, fellas, let me say, if your wife says let's buy a gun, the answer is yes, right? If she says let's buy two guns, the answer is still yes. If your wife says let's buy THREE guns, well, the answer remains yes.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (IFNME)
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You, sir, seem to have married well!
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (IFNME)
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You, sir, seem to have married well!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:01 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:00 PM (tT6L1)
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Ha! I was at WeaselAcres this weekend with WBG clearing a spot for Shed #2!
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Ha! I was at WeaselAcres this weekend with WBG clearing a spot for Shed #2!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:02 PM (JwHpX)
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The whole idea of waving a cased pistol is kinda absurd. How does anyone know what it is? "Hey, that guy is waving a box at us. Should we be scared?" Maybe if you threatened the person, "Hey, I've got a gun in this box, so you better watch out!" Which is on the same level as brandishing.
One of the things about carrying (for me) is that I know I'm capable of just ridding my life of any particular a**hole. But I also know (aside from that being wrong, morally) it would just bring down a heap of trouble on my head. And a lot more powerful a**holes would then come visit me. This is not conducive to a pleasant life. I don't like prison food that much, though the time in solitary might be kinda nice for us loners. And, I know that getting into any kind of altercation could bring the firearm into play such that I will be visited by those powerful a**holes. So, it becomes even more important to take a deep breath and contemplate whether any particular problem is worth shooting. And I contemplate other ways to make a**holes suffer for their sociopathy.
One of the things about carrying (for me) is that I know I'm capable of just ridding my life of any particular a**hole. But I also know (aside from that being wrong, morally) it would just bring down a heap of trouble on my head. And a lot more powerful a**holes would then come visit me. This is not conducive to a pleasant life. I don't like prison food that much, though the time in solitary might be kinda nice for us loners. And, I know that getting into any kind of altercation could bring the firearm into play such that I will be visited by those powerful a**holes. So, it becomes even more important to take a deep breath and contemplate whether any particular problem is worth shooting. And I contemplate other ways to make a**holes suffer for their sociopathy.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:02 PM (69JzL)
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ICYMI - Elon gave a Starship update yesterday at Boca Chica. More launches coming! He also talked a lot about humans as a multiplanetary species and the chances of life on other planets. The video is about 44 minutes.
https://tinyurl.com/3pr7d46c
https://tinyurl.com/3pr7d46c
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:02 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Blake, life is good on the farm. MoMe mode is cranking up.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (R7l+6)
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (ENQN6)
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...the eclipse in fact portend great misery and suffering, what precautions are you taking??
It is!!!
Much misery and suffering.
I am out of Buffalo Trace and the Class VI is as well. But being a good guy, I prepared and have sufficient stocks of Irish and scotch to see me through this heavenly event.
It is!!!
Much misery and suffering.
I am out of Buffalo Trace and the Class VI is as well. But being a good guy, I prepared and have sufficient stocks of Irish and scotch to see me through this heavenly event.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (W/lyH)
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I've carried for 30 odd years and the running total on the number of people who have found that out for wrong reasons is ZERO. Very few of my friends know. I simply don't talk about it. I'm glad I have never had to pull and hope it stays that way forever.
Posted by: Reforger at April 07, 2024 07:46 PM (B705c)
Excellent and absolutely correct Reforger.
Posted by: Reforger at April 07, 2024 07:46 PM (B705c)
Excellent and absolutely correct Reforger.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 08:04 PM (R/m4+)
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134 If you threaten someone with a rubber knife that's probably a crime too.
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Look out, mo-fo! O' I blunt you!
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Look out, mo-fo! O' I blunt you!
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:04 PM (vtyCZ)
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Howdy, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special sun-is-going-away-what-evil-magic-is-this greeting to our host who is never eclipsed, Weasel.
Homework response, written over the past week ...
The guy who brandished the gun is absolutely, unambiguously in the wrong in that situation. What the Uber driver saw or did is irrelevant - the man who got arrested was never at risk of death or serious bodily injury in the eyes of a reasonable observer. Getting cut off or stopped in airport traffic is irritating, and cars can be deadly weapons -- but in no way does this situation seem to justify pulling, displaying, or implying a threat with his gun.
Maybe an unpopular opinion here on the AoSHQ Mothership (where commentors seem to prefer individual freedom, rather than regulation), but -- if one does not have the emotional maturity and self-control to realize that a gun is not the solution to every trivial irritant in life, one should probably not possess nor carry a gun. I hope that most in the gun community are mature enough to self-regulate in this regard, but last week's video proved that's not true.
Homework response, written over the past week ...
The guy who brandished the gun is absolutely, unambiguously in the wrong in that situation. What the Uber driver saw or did is irrelevant - the man who got arrested was never at risk of death or serious bodily injury in the eyes of a reasonable observer. Getting cut off or stopped in airport traffic is irritating, and cars can be deadly weapons -- but in no way does this situation seem to justify pulling, displaying, or implying a threat with his gun.
Maybe an unpopular opinion here on the AoSHQ Mothership (where commentors seem to prefer individual freedom, rather than regulation), but -- if one does not have the emotional maturity and self-control to realize that a gun is not the solution to every trivial irritant in life, one should probably not possess nor carry a gun. I hope that most in the gun community are mature enough to self-regulate in this regard, but last week's video proved that's not true.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:05 PM (v23vE)
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This happens at customer request. Not a SpaceX issue. Typically, the customers making such requests are national intelligence in nature.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Yes it is a customer thing but SpaceX itself, when it ia its own customer, doesn't show us the satellites being inserted. What can an industrial spy get from the brief outside view anyway? Probably already have that from insider-spying.
This happens at customer request. Not a SpaceX issue. Typically, the customers making such requests are national intelligence in nature.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 07:56 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Yes it is a customer thing but SpaceX itself, when it ia its own customer, doesn't show us the satellites being inserted. What can an industrial spy get from the brief outside view anyway? Probably already have that from insider-spying.
Posted by: Ciampino - Orbital insertion - a needle in the eye. at April 07, 2024 08:05 PM (qfLjt)
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After reading the ThreeBody Problem, I feel reluctant to let other species know we are here.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 08:05 PM (t/2Uw)
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The worst thing you could possibly do is to brandish a gub-shaped sammich.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:06 PM (V8he0)
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So, a cigar question which the picture brings to my mind...
What caliber of cartridge would be necessary to slip over the end of any particular cigar? Maybe to make a snuff device, or to rig up a cartridge cigar cutter, or just a cartridge-based cigar band. At what caliber would it become a "cigarillo"?
What caliber of cartridge would be necessary to slip over the end of any particular cigar? Maybe to make a snuff device, or to rig up a cartridge cigar cutter, or just a cartridge-based cigar band. At what caliber would it become a "cigarillo"?
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:06 PM (69JzL)
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Just a thought … I will never post a sign like the one at the end of the thread. Why give away any advantage of surprise by notifying the aggressor that you can defend yourself? Nope. Surprise is the best practice in this case. Never give away information you don't need to give away.
Posted by: Dr_No at April 07, 2024 08:07 PM (ayRl+)
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The worst thing you could possibly do is to brandish a gub-shaped sammich.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:06 PM (V8he0)
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Hey, let's not forget that gun shaped pop tart!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:06 PM (V8he0)
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Hey, let's not forget that gun shaped pop tart!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:07 PM (tT6L1)
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For the homework - really couldn't watch the video. I don't see how being cut off by a car in any way justifies waving a gun. Now, hypothetically I may or may not have honked extensively after being cut off once in my life but it just boggles my mind that the gun guy felt using his gun in that situation was sensible and going to achieve what he wanted.
Posted by: Iris, Team Hedgehog at April 07, 2024 08:07 PM (n3DL0)
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146 Chipotle worker shot in guacamole dispute.
https://tinyurl.com/mvahyxf6
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (ENQN6)
Never shoot a man till you guacamole in his huarache's.
https://tinyurl.com/mvahyxf6
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (ENQN6)
Never shoot a man till you guacamole in his huarache's.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 07, 2024 08:07 PM (ENQN6)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:07 PM (JwHpX)
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Back. Those were some mighty fine ribs if I do say so myself. And I do.
Range report!
I put another 50 rounds of .308 down range, getting, my red dot and my backup sights working.
Yes, by the end of the day, both would ring the 300 yard gong.
Now, if UPS would just find my Optics Planet package, all would be good.
Range report!
I put another 50 rounds of .308 down range, getting, my red dot and my backup sights working.
Yes, by the end of the day, both would ring the 300 yard gong.
Now, if UPS would just find my Optics Planet package, all would be good.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 08:08 PM (0KnEB)
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6. It was too late Friday to go to the range, so we went Saturday am early and rented a P320 and shot it. And thence to Cabela's where we purchased two - count them - two Sig Sauer P320 RXZPs. Virginia has a one handgun a month law but if you have a CWP then it does not apply.
The RXZP is a full size regular P320 - not an X-Series - that comes equipped with an optic cut slide (obviously) and a Romeo Zero Pro. The RXP models (P320, P226, P229) come with a Romeo One Pro. The Zero Pro is a grown up version of the Zero that they make for the micro's - I have a Zero on my P365 XL. The Zero Pro differs from the One Pro in that the body is polymer rather than aluminum. I learned a LOT about different iterations of the P320. There is much to know.
The RXZP is a full size regular P320 - not an X-Series - that comes equipped with an optic cut slide (obviously) and a Romeo Zero Pro. The RXP models (P320, P226, P229) come with a Romeo One Pro. The Zero Pro is a grown up version of the Zero that they make for the micro's - I have a Zero on my P365 XL. The Zero Pro differs from the One Pro in that the body is polymer rather than aluminum. I learned a LOT about different iterations of the P320. There is much to know.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:09 PM (IFNME)
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I haven't fired a shot since October last year. Life has gotten in the way.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2024 07:11 PM (QNSds)
Oof. I feel for ya. Please find enough time to get away (important part) and do some brass-copper therapy.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2024 07:11 PM (QNSds)
Oof. I feel for ya. Please find enough time to get away (important part) and do some brass-copper therapy.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:09 PM (69JzL)
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I hope that most in the gun community are mature enough to self-regulate in this regard, but last week's video proved that's not true.
One incident does not support that statement.
One incident does not support that statement.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:10 PM (V8he0)
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The guy is too dumb to own a gun. There's a lot of people like that though. Whatever. The chance of running into someone with a gun is what keeps people from squatting in your house while you are sleeping upstairs.
Posted by: fd at April 07, 2024 08:12 PM (vFG9F)
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with the slide frozen about 1/2" short of full return and, I am pretty sure, a round in the chamber.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 07:13 PM (oBPoz)
Important safety bit: Always drop the mag, then cycle the slide. If it won't cycle, then LOCK THE SLIDE BACK when you put it away for taking it home or to a gunsmith. Maybe even put a gunlock through the mag well/breech to prevent the slide from accidentally closing on the round in the chamber.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 07:13 PM (oBPoz)
Important safety bit: Always drop the mag, then cycle the slide. If it won't cycle, then LOCK THE SLIDE BACK when you put it away for taking it home or to a gunsmith. Maybe even put a gunlock through the mag well/breech to prevent the slide from accidentally closing on the round in the chamber.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:12 PM (69JzL)
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145 ...MoMe mode is cranking up.
And we are soooo looking forward to it! I'm sure it'll be here before we know it, and that's how each year seems to go nowadays....
And we are soooo looking forward to it! I'm sure it'll be here before we know it, and that's how each year seems to go nowadays....
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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88 The steel shoot competition thing! It was Wednesday! sra blaster and I participated, and TRex and Grateful came out to cheer us on, and see what it was about.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:38 PM
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We were pleased to be there and we learned a ton by watching. The instructors were very accommodating.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 07:38 PM
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We were pleased to be there and we learned a ton by watching. The instructors were very accommodating.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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150 yes, my friend, I second your opinions. Very well said.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: fd at April 07, 2024 08:14 PM (vFG9F)
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We're cranking up for TX already? It's only January..no, wait, Feb...what do you mean it's April all ready?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:15 PM (tT6L1)
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Afterthought: the cop ran the gun did he run the drivers and their vehicles through the computer?
Posted by: Braenyard at April 07, 2024 08:15 PM (eGNbo)
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Or a lever-action pistol caliber ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:19 PM (npuy0)
A .357 lever-action is on my wish list, to go with my .357 pistols. (And a nicer pistol is on my wishlist, too.)
If I do a PCC, though, it will be 9mm or .45. And probably AR-based.
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:19 PM (npuy0)
A .357 lever-action is on my wish list, to go with my .357 pistols. (And a nicer pistol is on my wishlist, too.)
If I do a PCC, though, it will be 9mm or .45. And probably AR-based.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:15 PM (69JzL)
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>>> 146 Chipotle worker shot in guacamole dispute.
https://tinyurl.com/mvahyxf6
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (ENQN6)
I didn't know Robert O'Rourke was working at Chipotle.
https://tinyurl.com/mvahyxf6
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (ENQN6)
I didn't know Robert O'Rourke was working at Chipotle.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 07, 2024 08:16 PM (llON8)
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Virginia has a one handgun a month law but if you have a CWP then it does not apply.
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Oh, there's a motivator to take that class....
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Oh, there's a motivator to take that class....
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
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IMHO, and I could be wrong:
Gun guy is in the wrong. Never pull a weapon unless you are willing to use it. Getting cutoff in traffic is not a reason to use deadly force.
Off to read the comments to see how wrong I am!
Gun guy is in the wrong. Never pull a weapon unless you are willing to use it. Getting cutoff in traffic is not a reason to use deadly force.
Off to read the comments to see how wrong I am!
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at April 07, 2024 08:17 PM (UWRAE)
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Hopefully it doesn't end like the Day of the Triffids movie.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM (QNSds)
I would feel fairly safe. All the vegans, OTOH....
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2024 07:21 PM (QNSds)
I would feel fairly safe. All the vegans, OTOH....
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:18 PM (69JzL)
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Brandishing a imitation firearm is a misdemeanor in CA. I don't see anything for other states.
Posted by: pawn - Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 08:18 PM (QB+5g)
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Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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That's weird. Spouses commenting from the same ISP via different computers?? Pardon my curiosity.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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That's weird. Spouses commenting from the same ISP via different computers?? Pardon my curiosity.
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:19 PM (vtyCZ)
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Guess I'm in the minority here. I still fully believe that the vast majority of law-abiding citizens who happen to own/carry firearms are not at all fairly represented by isolated anomalies such as this. Please feel free to let me know where I have misinterpreted the meaning here.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:19 PM (V8he0)
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We're cranking up for TX already? It's only January..no, wait, Feb...what do you mean it's April all ready?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:15 PM
Weasel helpfully titled 4 of March's Gun Threads with "First/Second/Third/Third" of March Edition.
You're lucky Weasel isn't as easily disappointed as Ace is.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:15 PM
Weasel helpfully titled 4 of March's Gun Threads with "First/Second/Third/Third" of March Edition.
You're lucky Weasel isn't as easily disappointed as Ace is.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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143 The whole idea of waving a cased pistol is kinda absurd. How does anyone know what it is? "Hey, that guy is waving a box at us. Should we be scared?" Maybe if you threatened the person, "Hey, I've got a gun in this box, so you better watch out!" Which is on the same level as brandishing.
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Our legal system is twisted. I bet that if you did that with an empty box you would still be arrested. That should never happen as it gives credence to the gun grabbers' contention that guns should always be locked up but it's OK to wave a 2x4 or point with a screwdriver.
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Our legal system is twisted. I bet that if you did that with an empty box you would still be arrested. That should never happen as it gives credence to the gun grabbers' contention that guns should always be locked up but it's OK to wave a 2x4 or point with a screwdriver.
Posted by: Ciampino - Knife or screwdriver or icepick? at April 07, 2024 08:21 PM (qfLjt)
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7. That brings us to today at the range. First, let me note we went to the range THREE times this week. I am going to have to go on subscription for ammo I think. We took the new to us P320s to the range. I had zeroed the dots with a boresight laser -or so I thought. At the range, this did not seem to work out in practice. And this was a bit bad news - Sig did not include the correct sized allen wrench to adjust the sights. The smaller of the two included I THOUGHT was turning but it did not actually engage the adjustement screws. We burned up a lot of ammo trying to get the dots on target. Well, a bad day shooting is better than a good day at work I guess.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:21 PM (IFNME)
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Posted by: Dr_No at April 07, 2024 08:07 PM (ayRl+)
Armed Attorneys had an episode a while back along these lines. It really doesn't pay to advertise on a shirt, a bumper sticker, or a sign that you are willing to use deadly force. If the worst case happens and you end up in front of a jury for a shooting incident, they might just decide that you were not only willing to use a gun, but perhaps EAGER to use it.
Armed Attorneys had an episode a while back along these lines. It really doesn't pay to advertise on a shirt, a bumper sticker, or a sign that you are willing to use deadly force. If the worst case happens and you end up in front of a jury for a shooting incident, they might just decide that you were not only willing to use a gun, but perhaps EAGER to use it.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 07, 2024 08:22 PM (3rnQf)
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Thank you for your responses. I would give the boy my shotguns, but I can't see swinging those 26" barrells around the house. Assume it's the same with most pawn shop guns. So a Mossberg tactical is probably the best option.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at April 07, 2024 08:22 PM (wBaIH)
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Why does that Brazilian Judge have to look like a Bond villian?
Also when will Justin Trudeau take a 23 and me challenge with a relative of Fidel Castro to prove that he is not related and his uncanny resemblance to Fidel is just another Festivus miracle?
Also when will Justin Trudeau take a 23 and me challenge with a relative of Fidel Castro to prove that he is not related and his uncanny resemblance to Fidel is just another Festivus miracle?
Posted by: Rhubarbra Walters at April 07, 2024 08:22 PM (0pLZt)
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178 Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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That's weird. Spouses commenting from the same ISP via different computers?? Pardon my curiosity.
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:19 PM
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Doesn't every married couple sit on the couch each Sunday night posting on the AoS gub thread with their own computers? You should hear what we say about y'all that we don't type.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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That's weird. Spouses commenting from the same ISP via different computers?? Pardon my curiosity.
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:19 PM
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Doesn't every married couple sit on the couch each Sunday night posting on the AoS gub thread with their own computers? You should hear what we say about y'all that we don't type.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:23 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Just a thought … I will never post a sign like the one at the end of the thread. Why give away any advantage of surprise by notifying the aggressor that you can defend yourself? Nope. Surprise is the best practice in this case. Never give away information you don't need to give away.
And if you had to use deadly force behind those gates, the local Persecutor would absolutely bring images of that sign into the court-room to convince a jury that you were looking for reasons to gun someone down.
And if you had to use deadly force behind those gates, the local Persecutor would absolutely bring images of that sign into the court-room to convince a jury that you were looking for reasons to gun someone down.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 07, 2024 08:23 PM (4HcMG)
Posted by: fd at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (vFG9F)
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165 Important safety bit: Always drop the mag, then cycle the slide. If it won't cycle, then LOCK THE SLIDE BACK when you put it away for taking it home or to a gunsmith. Maybe even put a gunlock through the mag well/breech to prevent the slide from accidentally closing on the round in the chamber.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:12 PM (69JzL)
Tried that. The slide is locked hard into position about 1/4"-1/2" behind its normal forward position. It will not move at all, not even a little.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:12 PM (69JzL)
Tried that. The slide is locked hard into position about 1/4"-1/2" behind its normal forward position. It will not move at all, not even a little.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (oBPoz)
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169 "146 Chipotle worker shot in guacamole dispute."
Did they cut off his guac?
Posted by: fd at April 07, 2024 08:14 PM (vFG9F)
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You mean they left him his mole?
Did they cut off his guac?
Posted by: fd at April 07, 2024 08:14 PM (vFG9F)
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You mean they left him his mole?
Posted by: Ciampino - I like my mole iced please. at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (qfLjt)
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113 @pawn, most, of not all, jurisdictions take a very dim view of brandishing firearms.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
Some jurisdictions were know to charge CCP holders with brandishing if someone got a peek or if it printed too obviously.
I think historically or 'traditionally' this was not a problem as long as you had a CCP because open carry was 'traditional' but conceiled carry was viewed as something nefarious.
Now we have some odd cases where a state has no-permit conceiled carry but very limited open carry and, depending on jurisdiction, will tag you for brandishing if someone gets an upskirt peek and don't like the hardware.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
Some jurisdictions were know to charge CCP holders with brandishing if someone got a peek or if it printed too obviously.
I think historically or 'traditionally' this was not a problem as long as you had a CCP because open carry was 'traditional' but conceiled carry was viewed as something nefarious.
Now we have some odd cases where a state has no-permit conceiled carry but very limited open carry and, depending on jurisdiction, will tag you for brandishing if someone gets an upskirt peek and don't like the hardware.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (cOq4q)
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146 Chipotle worker shot in guacamole dispute.
https://tinyurl.com/mvahyxf6
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (ENQN6)
Most ghetto denizens go to these places have no other places to eat, cannot or do not cook and are Hangry as they do not understand why or how the food is prepared yet there it is.
Like UnFrozen Caveman Lawyer...fast food frightens and confuses them, so as a last resort they turn violent.
https://tinyurl.com/mvahyxf6
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 07, 2024 08:03 PM (ENQN6)
Most ghetto denizens go to these places have no other places to eat, cannot or do not cook and are Hangry as they do not understand why or how the food is prepared yet there it is.
Like UnFrozen Caveman Lawyer...fast food frightens and confuses them, so as a last resort they turn violent.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (R/m4+)
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@blaster, let me know if your ammo subscription offers an "ammo of the week" or "ammo of the month" selection.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (tT6L1)
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Virginia has a one handgun a month law but if you have a CWP then it does not apply.
Virginia's understanding of "shall not be infringed"
Virginia's understanding of "shall not be infringed"
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 07, 2024 08:26 PM (4HcMG)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 07, 2024 08:27 PM (sAmhv)
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Now we have some odd cases where a state has no-permit conceiled carry but very limited open carry and, depending on jurisdiction, will tag you for brandishing if someone gets an upskirt peek and don't like the hardware.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (cOq4q)
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Years ago, there was an incident in FL where a cop went from 0 to full freak out because a guy he pulled over for expired plates had his gun show for just a moment.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (cOq4q)
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Years ago, there was an incident in FL where a cop went from 0 to full freak out because a guy he pulled over for expired plates had his gun show for just a moment.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:28 PM (tT6L1)
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8. I also had dusted off my 3d printed blaster's blasters Model 001. I had gone through several iterations and I made some "improvements" in the printing process that turned the Glock-ish pistol into a jam-o-matic, with about every third round being a soft strike on the primer. I disassembled the gun and reassembled it on one of my previous iteration printed frames and took it to the range to see if it worked better. It did! So yet another gub.
We're gonna need a bigger safe. No, really.
We're gonna need a bigger safe. No, really.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:28 PM (IFNME)
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In States with castle doctrine in force I presume one would be OK.
In States with castle doctrine in force I presume one would be OK.
Posted by: Ciampino - I like my mole frozen please. at April 07, 2024 08:28 PM (qfLjt)
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Virginia's understanding of "shall not be infringed"
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God bless the Commonwealth on acknowledging this Natural Right.....
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God bless the Commonwealth on acknowledging this Natural Right.....
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
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What she said...
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:29 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Doesn't every married couple sit on the couch each Sunday night posting on the AoS gub thread with their own computers?
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The family that prays and sprays together stays together??
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The family that prays and sprays together stays together??
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:29 PM (vtyCZ)
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Well, folks, once again noone have commented on the backdrop in the picture of the Cigar of the Week.
Last week, as you undoubtedly remember, the backdrop was a blueprint of the .45 ACP brass cartridge, the official cartridge of the TXMoMe, and often referred to around here as "G*d's Caliber".
This week, your assignment is to determine the cartridge designation of the brass underneath this week's Cigar of the Week.
Hint: Putting on some lace-edged panties may help get you in the proper frame of mind.
Last week, as you undoubtedly remember, the backdrop was a blueprint of the .45 ACP brass cartridge, the official cartridge of the TXMoMe, and often referred to around here as "G*d's Caliber".
This week, your assignment is to determine the cartridge designation of the brass underneath this week's Cigar of the Week.
Hint: Putting on some lace-edged panties may help get you in the proper frame of mind.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 08:29 PM (a3Q+t)
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So you can't show the gun to the car-jacker ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
This guy wasn't a car-jacker.
This is the "never show a gun unless you mean to use it" line. Do you really think, every time you show it, that you'll have to use it ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
If I pull it, I am doing so because the next step will be to use it. In many cases there will be no hesitation between that step and the next. In some cases, the next step will be unnecessary because the bad guy decides it's not worth it. But I do not draw my weapon unless I think it will be necessary. (BTW, this is one argument for things like pepper spray - it's a method to disrupt the escalation so, maybe, you don't have to draw a firearm.)
And, it won't be necessary if there's no threat of "grave bodily harm or death." This is what's key to the idea of "brandishing." Brandishing is when you don't really have that threat against you yet you decide to wave your gun around as a power play to win the argument.
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
This guy wasn't a car-jacker.
This is the "never show a gun unless you mean to use it" line. Do you really think, every time you show it, that you'll have to use it ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
If I pull it, I am doing so because the next step will be to use it. In many cases there will be no hesitation between that step and the next. In some cases, the next step will be unnecessary because the bad guy decides it's not worth it. But I do not draw my weapon unless I think it will be necessary. (BTW, this is one argument for things like pepper spray - it's a method to disrupt the escalation so, maybe, you don't have to draw a firearm.)
And, it won't be necessary if there's no threat of "grave bodily harm or death." This is what's key to the idea of "brandishing." Brandishing is when you don't really have that threat against you yet you decide to wave your gun around as a power play to win the argument.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:29 PM (69JzL)
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201 Doesn't every married couple sit on the couch each Sunday night posting on the AoS gub thread with their own computers?
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The family that prays and sprays together stays together??
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:29 PM
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As long as they have sufficient ammo supplies.
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The family that prays and sprays together stays together??
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:29 PM
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As long as they have sufficient ammo supplies.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:30 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I think my best bet now is to gracefully return to lurker mode. Thanks so much for the gub, Weasel.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:30 PM (V8he0)
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Mossberg 500 or 590A1.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:29 PM (yRXSd)
I will vouch for my Mossberg - never a problem. Unlike my Honcho.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 07:29 PM (yRXSd)
I will vouch for my Mossberg - never a problem. Unlike my Honcho.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:31 PM (69JzL)
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Virginia's understanding of "shall not be infringed"
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 07, 2024 08:26 PM (4HcMG)
Oh lort you should see the pile of crap our recently Democrat controlled legislature passed this legislative season - thankfully our Governor vetoed all of the thirty-something bills they sent up.
I know, no politics, but vote like it matters. Because it just might!
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 07, 2024 08:26 PM (4HcMG)
Oh lort you should see the pile of crap our recently Democrat controlled legislature passed this legislative season - thankfully our Governor vetoed all of the thirty-something bills they sent up.
I know, no politics, but vote like it matters. Because it just might!
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:32 PM (IFNME)
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159 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:05 PM (v23vE)
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Couldn't have said it better.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:07 PM (JwHpX)
{blush}
What got cut off: Maybe police should publicize more badgecam / cruisercam videos of this type to raise awareness of what's not OK and the consequences thereof. (Not sure what the answer is here, but it's certainly not more laws.)
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Couldn't have said it better.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:07 PM (JwHpX)
{blush}
What got cut off: Maybe police should publicize more badgecam / cruisercam videos of this type to raise awareness of what's not OK and the consequences thereof. (Not sure what the answer is here, but it's certainly not more laws.)
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:32 PM (v23vE)
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163 I hope that most in the gun community are mature enough to self-regulate in this regard, but last week's video proved that's not true.
One incident does not support that statement.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:10 PM (V8he0)
True, NBFD. That was an undue generalization on my part.
One incident does not support that statement.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:10 PM (V8he0)
True, NBFD. That was an undue generalization on my part.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:33 PM (v23vE)
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I know, no politics, but vote like it matters. Because it just might!
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:32 PM (IFNME)
We Virginians were a hair's breadth away from being effectively disarmed.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:32 PM (IFNME)
We Virginians were a hair's breadth away from being effectively disarmed.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at April 07, 2024 08:34 PM (hOUT3)
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40 Does anyone here have any experience with the Beretta Px4 Storm 40 Compact? It is advertised as having a low recoil due to the rotating barrel. The reviews I have seen say it's a good shooter.
Anyone?
Posted by: pawn
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Pawn,
The PX4 is an excellent and well built firearm with some quirks that some do not like. Unless you obtain a rare police service continuous fire model or the less rare DAO, you have a double action/single action pistol with a safety/decocker. Then it gets a bit funky--you can easily change your DA/SA to a decocker only with no safety (it won't stay down), you can change the large winged safeties which can be quite irritating when carrying for low profile, and so on.
The recoil impulse is different and PX4 due to the rotating barrel have less muzzle rise and it is subsequently easier to keep on your sights in continuous fire. And yes, it does downrate the recoil of a 40 to about that of a 9 in the same size frame. Don't expect it to reduce the recoil of a 40 Compact to a 9mm Service Weight pistol.
If you move fast while Beretta is still making them (their new series is the APX), you can turn one into a race gun.
Anyone?
Posted by: pawn
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Pawn,
The PX4 is an excellent and well built firearm with some quirks that some do not like. Unless you obtain a rare police service continuous fire model or the less rare DAO, you have a double action/single action pistol with a safety/decocker. Then it gets a bit funky--you can easily change your DA/SA to a decocker only with no safety (it won't stay down), you can change the large winged safeties which can be quite irritating when carrying for low profile, and so on.
The recoil impulse is different and PX4 due to the rotating barrel have less muzzle rise and it is subsequently easier to keep on your sights in continuous fire. And yes, it does downrate the recoil of a 40 to about that of a 9 in the same size frame. Don't expect it to reduce the recoil of a 40 Compact to a 9mm Service Weight pistol.
If you move fast while Beretta is still making them (their new series is the APX), you can turn one into a race gun.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:34 PM (G0ieF)
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168 150 yes, my friend, I second your opinions. Very well said.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
Thank you, ma'am! Hope all is well in your area of responsibility.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
Thank you, ma'am! Hope all is well in your area of responsibility.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:35 PM (v23vE)
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We Virginians were a hair's breadth away from being effectively disarmed.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at April 07, 2024 08:34 PM (hOUT3)
And they won't quit trying.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at April 07, 2024 08:34 PM (hOUT3)
And they won't quit trying.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 07, 2024 08:36 PM (3rnQf)
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I learned a long time ago not to react to traffic issues with a middle finger. Mrs. Red was an ER nurse at the time and would come home and tell me the results of incidents.
When I started carrying, I got even more cautious. Now, I either ignore or give a chef’s kiss.
When I started carrying, I got even more cautious. Now, I either ignore or give a chef’s kiss.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 08:36 PM (0KnEB)
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On topic - Wife and I will be taking a beginner pistol course in 2 weeks. They wanted to merge it in with cpl class, but we declined for now as she nor I really want to do that atm.
Off topic - L O L at the conspiracy nutjobs regarding the eclipse tommorrow. I guess they are going to spray along the path of total and totally dont wear the glasses(maybe the glasses make the planes invisible?)
Off topic - L O L at the conspiracy nutjobs regarding the eclipse tommorrow. I guess they are going to spray along the path of total and totally dont wear the glasses(maybe the glasses make the planes invisible?)
Posted by: a dude in MI at April 07, 2024 08:37 PM (+I6Y/)
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yes, my friend, I second your opinions. Very well said.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
Thank you, ma'am! Hope all is well in your area of responsibility.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:35 PM
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Just asked. Yep, all good. I've got a good source.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
Thank you, ma'am! Hope all is well in your area of responsibility.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:35 PM
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Just asked. Yep, all good. I've got a good source.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Points for Discussion
- Was Gun Guy in the right, or a complete retard?
- Was Cab Guy a retard, or completely blameless?
- How about Cop Guy, was the decision to make an arrest justified?
- Should waving a pistol case or pistol rug be considered brandishing?
- Is brandishing a firearm ever a good idea?
Posted by: Weasel
1) Gun guy: fool.
2) Cap guy: bigger fool.
3) Cop guy: our finest wasn't sent.
4) Waving a potential weapon is escalating: bad move.
5) See number 4.
- Was Gun Guy in the right, or a complete retard?
- Was Cab Guy a retard, or completely blameless?
- How about Cop Guy, was the decision to make an arrest justified?
- Should waving a pistol case or pistol rug be considered brandishing?
- Is brandishing a firearm ever a good idea?
Posted by: Weasel
1) Gun guy: fool.
2) Cap guy: bigger fool.
3) Cop guy: our finest wasn't sent.
4) Waving a potential weapon is escalating: bad move.
5) See number 4.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 07, 2024 08:38 PM (N+fj3)
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9. Today's DMV MGC was very auspicious - in the assembled body, women outnumbered the men.
We determined this without a biologist present but we did have a medical professional who vouched for this observation.
But this is important - this is what weasel has wrought. All 4 of the ladies involved have been plied with weasel's ministrations of the gun-ly type. He's made a bunch of gun nuts and they are good shooters. swa, Iris, grateful, srra blaster - always keep in mind, do not make them mad.
We determined this without a biologist present but we did have a medical professional who vouched for this observation.
But this is important - this is what weasel has wrought. All 4 of the ladies involved have been plied with weasel's ministrations of the gun-ly type. He's made a bunch of gun nuts and they are good shooters. swa, Iris, grateful, srra blaster - always keep in mind, do not make them mad.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:39 PM (IFNME)
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De-escalate, Disengage, DETOUR!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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Dolly Parton
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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Dolly Parton
Posted by: Braenyard at April 07, 2024 08:39 PM (eGNbo)
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*delurking for a moment*
True, NBFD. That was an undue generalization on my part.
Didn't mean to be contentious, SP. Your post was spot-on and I very much appreciate your comments here at AoS. I guess it was just that last sentence that I took a bit of exception to. I am sure we all know what you were trying to convey. *fist bump*
True, NBFD. That was an undue generalization on my part.
Didn't mean to be contentious, SP. Your post was spot-on and I very much appreciate your comments here at AoS. I guess it was just that last sentence that I took a bit of exception to. I am sure we all know what you were trying to convey. *fist bump*
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:40 PM (V8he0)
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214 I couldn't agree with you more. Less is more in this case, I don't need prove I'm right. Just get me home in one piece and without incident. Unless it escalates and there is an imminent threat, then the least amount of force needed to ensue my safety.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:41 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Or do you just grab hold of the tool, and say "No". We've hit a red line. Regardless of discussion. We've hit a "No.".
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:40 PM (npuy0)
Ahhh, this is where the "wargaming" comes into your carry routine. This is where you spend time thinking about possible scenarios and how you can react. Guy screaming "Aloha snackbar!" with a machete raised over his head, and he turns and starts toward you... you draw and fire. And you get that sort of "trigger" or "red line" set in your head. (This is how REALLY STUPID people pulling practical jokes get shot.) Guy walks determinedly towards your car while you're at a stop light? Lock the doors, make sure your firearm is accessible, and begin evaluating whether you can escape in traffic. Then the guy turns out to be really insistent that you have a flat tire and he thinks you're going to get hurt - so you can stand down. Or he rears back to smash the window and you escalate by escaping or by firing. Or, just maybe he indicates his ill intent a little earlier, and you can raise your weapon so it can be seen (and aimed at him - you're not doing a display of belligerence, but one of intent).
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:40 PM (npuy0)
Ahhh, this is where the "wargaming" comes into your carry routine. This is where you spend time thinking about possible scenarios and how you can react. Guy screaming "Aloha snackbar!" with a machete raised over his head, and he turns and starts toward you... you draw and fire. And you get that sort of "trigger" or "red line" set in your head. (This is how REALLY STUPID people pulling practical jokes get shot.) Guy walks determinedly towards your car while you're at a stop light? Lock the doors, make sure your firearm is accessible, and begin evaluating whether you can escape in traffic. Then the guy turns out to be really insistent that you have a flat tire and he thinks you're going to get hurt - so you can stand down. Or he rears back to smash the window and you escalate by escaping or by firing. Or, just maybe he indicates his ill intent a little earlier, and you can raise your weapon so it can be seen (and aimed at him - you're not doing a display of belligerence, but one of intent).
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:42 PM (69JzL)
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Range report, part deux:
I installed the new PMAG all-plastic mlok bipod. I like. Easy to install, easy to operate, light. Looks good, too.
I installed the new PMAG all-plastic mlok bipod. I like. Easy to install, easy to operate, light. Looks good, too.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 08:42 PM (0KnEB)
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Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:39 PM (IFNME)
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Aw, shucks. Thank you. I wish I could take credit but they did the work!
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Aw, shucks. Thank you. I wish I could take credit but they did the work!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:42 PM (JwHpX)
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Just asked. Yep, all good. I've got a good source.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Makes sense, sir. (Unless you're just stealing Grateful's wifi and that's why your hashes match... :grin
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 08:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Makes sense, sir. (Unless you're just stealing Grateful's wifi and that's why your hashes match... :grin
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:42 PM (v23vE)
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Just vacuumed my vehicle... .22 rounds are small and get everywhere...
Posted by: lin-duh at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (K2iv3)
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Leave your ego at home, you won't miss it.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM (R/m4+)
The amazing part is how much better that makes things, even if there's no gun involved....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM (R/m4+)
The amazing part is how much better that makes things, even if there's no gun involved....
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (69JzL)
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Schnorflepuppy, how are things in your part of the world? Always brings a smile to my face to see your name pop up in the comments.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Maybe an unpopular opinion here on the AoSHQ Mothership (where commentors seem to prefer individual freedom, rather than regulation), but -- if one does not have the emotional maturity and self-control to realize that a gun is not the solution to every trivial irritant in life, one should probably not possess nor carry a gun.
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Nah, you are fine. It is the other SOBs online at various forums, not this the gun thread that would roast you.
Simply put, far too many people do not associate 'rights' with duties in exercising the rights. Basically, the nature of the 2nd Amendment is a negative on government action to prevent one from owning or using a firearm. But, rights become circumscribed when dealing with other individuals. The first amendment does not protect a person from being charged with assault by threatening to kick someone's ass; the second amendment does not protect you from being charged for brandishing aka causing the reasonable apprehension that you might use deadly force of a firearm for a mere traffic argument.
In general, if you cannot control your anger at life's frustrations--guns will not improve your condition and may quite likely make it worse.
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Nah, you are fine. It is the other SOBs online at various forums, not this the gun thread that would roast you.
Simply put, far too many people do not associate 'rights' with duties in exercising the rights. Basically, the nature of the 2nd Amendment is a negative on government action to prevent one from owning or using a firearm. But, rights become circumscribed when dealing with other individuals. The first amendment does not protect a person from being charged with assault by threatening to kick someone's ass; the second amendment does not protect you from being charged for brandishing aka causing the reasonable apprehension that you might use deadly force of a firearm for a mere traffic argument.
In general, if you cannot control your anger at life's frustrations--guns will not improve your condition and may quite likely make it worse.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (G0ieF)
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For Ciampino et alia:
Farzad @farzyness 21h
Here's an edit of @elonmusk's recent talk at @SpaceX.
This version boosts audio quality and removes pauses & dead space, saving time by 40%.
Thank you @DavidCarbutt_ for the work!
https://tinyurl.com/p6ahcev4
27:32 minutes
Farzad @farzyness 21h
Here's an edit of @elonmusk's recent talk at @SpaceX.
This version boosts audio quality and removes pauses & dead space, saving time by 40%.
Thank you @DavidCarbutt_ for the work!
https://tinyurl.com/p6ahcev4
27:32 minutes
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:44 PM (vtyCZ)
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The recoil impulse is different and PX4 due to the rotating barrel have less muzzle rise and it is subsequently easier to keep on your sights in continuous fire. And yes, it does downrate the recoil of a 40 to about that of a 9 in the same size frame. Don't expect it to reduce the recoil of a 40 Compact to a 9mm Service Weight pistol.
If you move fast while Beretta is still making them (their new series is the APX), you can turn one into a race gun.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:34 PM (G0ieF)
Excellent advice as usual. Beretta makes good stuff and takes a different approach at times. Everyone hated the CX4 Storm until they didn't. They have been around a long time and know what they are doing when it comes to stuff that goes bang bang.
Beretta 38/42. A man can dream.
If you move fast while Beretta is still making them (their new series is the APX), you can turn one into a race gun.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:34 PM (G0ieF)
Excellent advice as usual. Beretta makes good stuff and takes a different approach at times. Everyone hated the CX4 Storm until they didn't. They have been around a long time and know what they are doing when it comes to stuff that goes bang bang.
Beretta 38/42. A man can dream.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 08:44 PM (R/m4+)
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True, NBFD. That was an undue generalization on my part.
Didn't mean to be contentious, SP. Your post was spot-on and I very much appreciate your comments here at AoS. I guess it was just that last sentence that I took a bit of exception to. I am sure we all know what you were trying to convey. *fist bump*
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:40 PM (V8he0)
All good, sir, and no offense taken. That's why I enjoy the Gub Thread and events like TxMoMe -- they give me a chance to put my thoughts out there and have congenial folk like y'all help me refine them.
Didn't mean to be contentious, SP. Your post was spot-on and I very much appreciate your comments here at AoS. I guess it was just that last sentence that I took a bit of exception to. I am sure we all know what you were trying to convey. *fist bump*
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:40 PM (V8he0)
All good, sir, and no offense taken. That's why I enjoy the Gub Thread and events like TxMoMe -- they give me a chance to put my thoughts out there and have congenial folk like y'all help me refine them.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:45 PM (v23vE)
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What happens if you brandish an Replica or an Air Soft?
Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM (QB+5g)
The police or the concealed carrier shoots you, same as if it were a real pistol. Or they arrest you for brandishing. Because brandishing isn't "he showed me a gun," it's "he threatened me with a gun." And the law says someone on the muzzle end can't be expected to tell if it's real (or loaded) or not.
Posted by: pawn-(short-lived) Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 07:41 PM (QB+5g)
The police or the concealed carrier shoots you, same as if it were a real pistol. Or they arrest you for brandishing. Because brandishing isn't "he showed me a gun," it's "he threatened me with a gun." And the law says someone on the muzzle end can't be expected to tell if it's real (or loaded) or not.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:45 PM (69JzL)
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So, a cigar question which the picture brings to my mind...
What caliber of cartridge would be necessary to slip over the end of any particular cigar? Maybe to make a snuff device, or to rig up a cartridge cigar cutter, or just a cartridge-based cigar band. At what caliber would it become a "cigarillo"?
Posted by: GWB
Check out the Babaloo cigar link up top. I just did...
Top of their page they have a link to cigar sizes with a brief intro and nice graphic.
TLDR - 50 Beowolf is too small for most - Ring 50 is 50/64s of an inch.
BUT - A lot of options for making a round punch.
What caliber of cartridge would be necessary to slip over the end of any particular cigar? Maybe to make a snuff device, or to rig up a cartridge cigar cutter, or just a cartridge-based cigar band. At what caliber would it become a "cigarillo"?
Posted by: GWB
Check out the Babaloo cigar link up top. I just did...
Top of their page they have a link to cigar sizes with a brief intro and nice graphic.
TLDR - 50 Beowolf is too small for most - Ring 50 is 50/64s of an inch.
BUT - A lot of options for making a round punch.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 08:45 PM (cOq4q)
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10. Because we need to be able to re-zero the dots on the P320s we brought out our iTarget which is a laser dry fire system that automatically scores for you. If you count the range set up in our house now then we went to the range 4 times!
Actually useful, but since sra blaster wants to be able to do multi target engagement she is looking at the Mantis Academy which is a product promoted by Stav at SEH. But saves on ammo!
Have I mentioned I love this woman? I love this woman.
Actually useful, but since sra blaster wants to be able to do multi target engagement she is looking at the Mantis Academy which is a product promoted by Stav at SEH. But saves on ammo!
Have I mentioned I love this woman? I love this woman.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:45 PM (IFNME)
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Just vacuumed my vehicle... .22 rounds are small and get everywhere...
Posted by: lin-duh at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (K2iv3)
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How is Spawn doing? Matches going well?
Posted by: lin-duh at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (K2iv3)
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How is Spawn doing? Matches going well?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:46 PM (tT6L1)
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Pawn,
"If you move fast while Beretta is still making them (their new series is the APX), you can turn one into a race gun. Posted by: whig"
To explain, you can buy polished and prepped hammer assemblies for the PX4 along with lighter springs that substantially bring down the already smooth initial Double Action shot from a little less than ten pounds down to something around 7-8 lbs for the first shot and the single action second and additional shots are an extremely smooth 4 lbs trigger pull or so.
"If you move fast while Beretta is still making them (their new series is the APX), you can turn one into a race gun. Posted by: whig"
To explain, you can buy polished and prepped hammer assemblies for the PX4 along with lighter springs that substantially bring down the already smooth initial Double Action shot from a little less than ten pounds down to something around 7-8 lbs for the first shot and the single action second and additional shots are an extremely smooth 4 lbs trigger pull or so.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:47 PM (G0ieF)
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228 Schnorflepuppy, how are things in your part of the world? Always brings a smile to my face to see your name pop up in the comments.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
Unfortunately, my mom passed a couple weeks ago, and the family and I are traveling to the funeral this week. She was only 82 but suffered from dementia, and wasn't really coherent the last couple of times we visited, including last December. She and my dad are now back together, probably arguing about football.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
Unfortunately, my mom passed a couple weeks ago, and the family and I are traveling to the funeral this week. She was only 82 but suffered from dementia, and wasn't really coherent the last couple of times we visited, including last December. She and my dad are now back together, probably arguing about football.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:47 PM (v23vE)
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range report - #1 goal was to shoot the Highway Patrolman. Wait, that came out wrong... let me rephrase... to shoot the S&W model 28 that I just bought. But I also took my beloved 1911 and the P365 to try and stay in practice.
I shot the 1911 first and after a couple of flyers, dialed it in to my satisfaction at 7 yards.
The model 28 is beautiful. It's big and heavy but feels *right* in my hands. First 6 shots (starting out with .3
went right down Broadway. I set it down and had a little moment of all the feels, as the kids used to say. I regret not taking a photo of that target, as I lost a little bit of focus after that. It was really happy with the .38 I had. I put 5 rounds of .357 through - the empty chamber definitely helps me catch myself flinching - and had one that didn't go bang the first time. I use .357 very sparingly (and was short on time) so I didn't try again.
I started off spot on with the P365, but started to flinch on the last mag. I guess if the SHTF it's better to be on target with your first shots anyway rather than my usual of "Hey bad guy, can you hold still for a minute til I can get my shit together?"
I shot the 1911 first and after a couple of flyers, dialed it in to my satisfaction at 7 yards.
The model 28 is beautiful. It's big and heavy but feels *right* in my hands. First 6 shots (starting out with .3
went right down Broadway. I set it down and had a little moment of all the feels, as the kids used to say. I regret not taking a photo of that target, as I lost a little bit of focus after that. It was really happy with the .38 I had. I put 5 rounds of .357 through - the empty chamber definitely helps me catch myself flinching - and had one that didn't go bang the first time. I use .357 very sparingly (and was short on time) so I didn't try again.
I started off spot on with the P365, but started to flinch on the last mag. I guess if the SHTF it's better to be on target with your first shots anyway rather than my usual of "Hey bad guy, can you hold still for a minute til I can get my shit together?"
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 08:48 PM (wQXfi)
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Now we have some odd cases where a state has no-permit concealed carry but very limited open carry and, depending on jurisdiction, will tag you for brandishing if someone gets an upskirt peek and don't like the hardware.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (cOq4q)
The rule was when I did my CCW way the hell back when (94) was 'nobody ever sees this gun again'. They changed it since but somebody being able to describe your gun got you in deep shit back then. Wasn't really a law before that, I was one of the first in NV to get license.
That's when I realized the definition of License is 'something that was previously a right, that you now have to pay the government to exercise.'
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (cOq4q)
The rule was when I did my CCW way the hell back when (94) was 'nobody ever sees this gun again'. They changed it since but somebody being able to describe your gun got you in deep shit back then. Wasn't really a law before that, I was one of the first in NV to get license.
That's when I realized the definition of License is 'something that was previously a right, that you now have to pay the government to exercise.'
Posted by: Reforger at April 07, 2024 08:49 PM (B705c)
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Really ? So you can't show the gun to the car-jacker ?
Posted by: Practical
Car jackers have already shown intent to harm.
You're not brandishing you're defending yourself.
Posted by: Practical
Car jackers have already shown intent to harm.
You're not brandishing you're defending yourself.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 07, 2024 08:49 PM (N+fj3)
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233 What happens if you brandish an Replica or an Air Soft?
Posted by: pawn
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Replicas are supposed to have day glo orange tips to denote that they are not real. That being said, stupid yutes and criminals often hide the orange and use them for crime and mayhem.
But the ride through the criminal justice system is the same as if you used a real pistol. Lots of caselaw on this.
It also may give someone else--the po po or an armed citizen justification to ventilate the carrier of the fake pistol.
Posted by: pawn
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Replicas are supposed to have day glo orange tips to denote that they are not real. That being said, stupid yutes and criminals often hide the orange and use them for crime and mayhem.
But the ride through the criminal justice system is the same as if you used a real pistol. Lots of caselaw on this.
It also may give someone else--the po po or an armed citizen justification to ventilate the carrier of the fake pistol.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:50 PM (G0ieF)
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Some 'road rage' people have a trigger-finger temper (see what I did? ) and whether you ignore their protestations or show them a middle finger (or even better the "va fa 'n culo", a favorite amongst Italians - it's what DonLeMon likes) done with the forearm and a chopping other hand, they will take umbrage and want to escalate if you are deemed an easy target.
Posted by: Ciampino - the trebuchet is awkward to aim at April 07, 2024 08:51 PM (qfLjt)
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Schnorflepuppy, my sincere condolences. It's so hard when the second parent dies. But focus on all of your happy memories, and the fact she is reunited with your father. And that one day you will all be together again. In the meantime, I'll hold you and your family tight in thought and prayer.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
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If I pulled my carry every time some driver did something stupid by me I'd have to go to the doctor for tennis elbow. Other Houston drivers here can attest to that.
Posted by: polynikes at April 07, 2024 08:51 PM (AIm4E)
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good job, SiD. Sounds like a great range trip.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:52 PM (tT6L1)
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S'puppy, so sorry for your loss. Hugs to you and yours.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 08:52 PM (wQXfi)
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Gun Guy didn't even know what kind of pistol it was.
Posted by: IronDave at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM (k3crU)
This is coming up a LOT. (Because it's pertinent.) If you can't even tell me off the top of your head what caliber the weapon is, OR the make, then I have to assume you have so many guns you don't what you're carrying on any particular day or you only have the one gun and you are entirely unfamiliar with it.
I am not a fan of some of the rules about concealed carry out there, actual or proposed. Except one: go get some training, dude. First, on the legalities of carrying a firearm and using it. ANY of the CCW classes would have informed him what he did was a no-no. Second, if you buy ammo for the gun and practice with it, you're going to know what it is and how it operates.
I guarantee this guy's fundamentals weren't any good.
Posted by: IronDave at April 07, 2024 07:51 PM (k3crU)
This is coming up a LOT. (Because it's pertinent.) If you can't even tell me off the top of your head what caliber the weapon is, OR the make, then I have to assume you have so many guns you don't what you're carrying on any particular day or you only have the one gun and you are entirely unfamiliar with it.
I am not a fan of some of the rules about concealed carry out there, actual or proposed. Except one: go get some training, dude. First, on the legalities of carrying a firearm and using it. ANY of the CCW classes would have informed him what he did was a no-no. Second, if you buy ammo for the gun and practice with it, you're going to know what it is and how it operates.
I guarantee this guy's fundamentals weren't any good.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:52 PM (69JzL)
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236 Just vacuumed my vehicle... .22 rounds are small and get everywhere...
Posted by: lin-duh
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Don't plan on visiting any secure area like a prison, military posts, or jail without checking for every little bullet. Fed Reserve buildings have particularly tight security even if you have the permission to park in their deck for events. Wife has to go now and again to the local Fed Reserve and they will confiscate even pepper spray, knives, etc.
Bad ju ju.
Posted by: lin-duh
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Don't plan on visiting any secure area like a prison, military posts, or jail without checking for every little bullet. Fed Reserve buildings have particularly tight security even if you have the permission to park in their deck for events. Wife has to go now and again to the local Fed Reserve and they will confiscate even pepper spray, knives, etc.
Bad ju ju.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:53 PM (G0ieF)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:53 PM (JwHpX)
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If I pulled my carry every time some driver did something stupid by me I'd have to go to the doctor for tennis elbow. Other Houston drivers here can attest to that.
Posted by: polynikes at April 07, 2024 08:51 PM (AIm4E)
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California, where it's normal for someone to pull into 65mph traffic doing 40, even though the on ramp is half a mile long.
Posted by: polynikes at April 07, 2024 08:51 PM (AIm4E)
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California, where it's normal for someone to pull into 65mph traffic doing 40, even though the on ramp is half a mile long.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:53 PM (tT6L1)
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248 Gun Guy didn't even know what kind of pistol it was.
Posted by: IronDave
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Likely that the guy was lying. Unfortunately by Scotus giving the ok for cops to lie to people, people assume that is justifiable to lie to police as well. That can get you into trouble--best to keep one's mouth shut or politely decline to answer.
Posted by: IronDave
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Likely that the guy was lying. Unfortunately by Scotus giving the ok for cops to lie to people, people assume that is justifiable to lie to police as well. That can get you into trouble--best to keep one's mouth shut or politely decline to answer.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:54 PM (G0ieF)
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11. The Sig "modular system" thing. We have P365s that we got kind of early on. "Grip modules" seemed like just a way for Sig to separate you from your money - they were expensive, like almost the cost of another gun. Didn't seem like much of a benefit to move your FCU to another grip module.
But now it seems Sig and the after market have really gotten with the program. For example, I was looking at a flared magwell for the P320, and they are like $85 plus or minus. But I can get an entire Wilson Combat grip module with a moderately flared magwell and other improvements for just $67.50! Or I can move into the P320 X-Five (which is more of a competition gun) grip module for just over $100.
They have started a whole nother rabbit hole for me to go down....
But now it seems Sig and the after market have really gotten with the program. For example, I was looking at a flared magwell for the P320, and they are like $85 plus or minus. But I can get an entire Wilson Combat grip module with a moderately flared magwell and other improvements for just $67.50! Or I can move into the P320 X-Five (which is more of a competition gun) grip module for just over $100.
They have started a whole nother rabbit hole for me to go down....
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:54 PM (IFNME)
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16 When the guy in the car said he didn't know what kind of gun was in the case, I did not bother watching any further. The guy obviously knew nothing about guns and should not have been "brandishing" it in any way. It was loaded. You should never Brandish a loaded gun. That is pretty much rule number 1.
I didn't need know anything else about the kerfuffle.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 07:10 PM (t/2Uw)
I agree, Sharon. What kind of knucklehead doesn’t know what kind of firearm they’re carrying? That kind. Unlike you, I watched it to the end. I didn’t much like the other driver either. Reminds me why I stay away from airports.
I didn't need know anything else about the kerfuffle.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 07:10 PM (t/2Uw)
I agree, Sharon. What kind of knucklehead doesn’t know what kind of firearm they’re carrying? That kind. Unlike you, I watched it to the end. I didn’t much like the other driver either. Reminds me why I stay away from airports.
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 08:54 PM (NxC5+)
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Thank you whig.
I understand about the quirks and figure some mods will be involved. I want to upgrade to a 40 but age is getting to me.
I understand about the quirks and figure some mods will be involved. I want to upgrade to a 40 but age is getting to me.
Posted by: pawn - Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 08:54 PM (QB+5g)
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Beretta 38/42. A man can dream.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Hope your dreams come true HB Guy. If they do, you have write a range report to share with us--it is only fair.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Hope your dreams come true HB Guy. If they do, you have write a range report to share with us--it is only fair.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:56 PM (G0ieF)
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Unfortunately, my mom passed a couple weeks ago, and the family and I are traveling to the funeral this week.
So very sorry to hear that. Prayers up, amigo.
So very sorry to hear that. Prayers up, amigo.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:57 PM (V8he0)
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They have started a whole nother rabbit hole for me to go down....
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:54 PM (IFNME)
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Or, you could stick with a double stack pistol and since the magazine narrow at the top, the flared magwell isn't really necessary.
You've already mentioned your wife is okay with gun purchases....
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 08:54 PM (IFNME)
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Or, you could stick with a double stack pistol and since the magazine narrow at the top, the flared magwell isn't really necessary.
You've already mentioned your wife is okay with gun purchases....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 08:57 PM (tT6L1)
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230 For Ciampino et alia:
Farzad @farzyness 21h
Here's an edit of @elonmusk's recent talk at @SpaceX.
This version boosts audio quality and removes pauses & dead space, saving time by 40%.
Thank you @DavidCarbutt_ for the work!
https://tinyurl.com/p6ahcev4
27:32 minutes
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:44 PM (vtyCZ)
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Thank you very much. Very thoughtful of you.
Farzad @farzyness 21h
Here's an edit of @elonmusk's recent talk at @SpaceX.
This version boosts audio quality and removes pauses & dead space, saving time by 40%.
Thank you @DavidCarbutt_ for the work!
https://tinyurl.com/p6ahcev4
27:32 minutes
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 08:44 PM (vtyCZ)
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Thank you very much. Very thoughtful of you.
Posted by: Ciampino - the trebuchet is awkward to aim? at April 07, 2024 08:59 PM (qfLjt)
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Weasel, are we going to have homework every week?
Cuz the cat already ate mine.
Cuz the cat already ate mine.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 08:59 PM (0KnEB)
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244 Schnorflepuppy, my sincere condolences. It's so hard when the second parent dies. But focus on all of your happy memories, and the fact she is reunited with your father. And that one day you will all be together again. In the meantime, I'll hold you and your family tight in thought and prayer.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
Thank you, ma'am.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 08:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
Thank you, ma'am.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:59 PM (v23vE)
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Just vacuumed my vehicle... .22 rounds are small and get everywhere...
Posted by: lin-duh
Don't drive your car to Mexico.
Posted by: lin-duh
Don't drive your car to Mexico.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 07, 2024 09:00 PM (N+fj3)
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Hope your dreams come true HB Guy. If they do, you have write a range report to share with us--it is only fair.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:56 PM (G0ieF)
Hahaha...you and me both. The last one I saw in MeatSpace went for....$35,000.00.
One day the Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:56 PM (G0ieF)
Hahaha...you and me both. The last one I saw in MeatSpace went for....$35,000.00.
One day the Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 09:01 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 07, 2024 09:01 PM (vtyCZ)
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I get it. This is the "never show a gun unless you mean to use it" line. Do you really think, every time you show it, that you'll have to use it ?
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
In my jurisdiction, brandishing is a felony. If you pull your weapon, you might as well use it.
Posted by: Practical at April 07, 2024 07:27 PM (npuy0)
In my jurisdiction, brandishing is a felony. If you pull your weapon, you might as well use it.
Posted by: Outside of Life at April 07, 2024 09:01 PM (89Sog)
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Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:47 PM (v23vE)
S-puppy, my condolences. It's a tough time, but do make sure you (or your family members) take care of the financial and legal stuff as quickly as you can. You'll be glad you did later on. And don't forget that someone will have to file 2024 taxes for her at about this time next year.
S-puppy, my condolences. It's a tough time, but do make sure you (or your family members) take care of the financial and legal stuff as quickly as you can. You'll be glad you did later on. And don't forget that someone will have to file 2024 taxes for her at about this time next year.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 09:01 PM (yRXSd)
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I understand about the quirks and figure some mods will be involved. I want to upgrade to a 40 but age is getting to me.
Posted by: pawn
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I understand, I have used the PX4 Compact in 9mm for carry for the last several years. Due to neuropathy dulling the sensations to my fingers, I went to a heavier trigger instead of the lighter striker fired models.
I can't 'feel' a good trigger nowadays so simply aim for smoothness. You get that with the Beretta PX4. And fwiw, it passed an over 100k round NATO firing tests for use as Italy's sidearm.
That puts reliability up with Chuck Taylor's beloved Glock 17 original model that is way up there in round count.
Posted by: pawn
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I understand, I have used the PX4 Compact in 9mm for carry for the last several years. Due to neuropathy dulling the sensations to my fingers, I went to a heavier trigger instead of the lighter striker fired models.
I can't 'feel' a good trigger nowadays so simply aim for smoothness. You get that with the Beretta PX4. And fwiw, it passed an over 100k round NATO firing tests for use as Italy's sidearm.
That puts reliability up with Chuck Taylor's beloved Glock 17 original model that is way up there in round count.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:02 PM (G0ieF)
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Empty brass in your car in Mass - presumption you are a gangbanger.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:02 PM (0KnEB)
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IMHO, and I could be wrong:
Gun guy is in the wrong. Never pull a weapon unless you are willing to use it. Getting cutoff in traffic is not a reason to use deadly force.
Off to read the comments to see how wrong I am!
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr
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Living in Florida getting cut off is a daily occurrence. People move here from all fricken over. And bring their local (bad) habits with them.
The good ones just slowly change lanes forcing you to slow down or get sideswiped. Hard to get too excited when there's a good chance both of you are armed.
Gun guy is in the wrong. Never pull a weapon unless you are willing to use it. Getting cutoff in traffic is not a reason to use deadly force.
Off to read the comments to see how wrong I am!
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr
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Living in Florida getting cut off is a daily occurrence. People move here from all fricken over. And bring their local (bad) habits with them.
The good ones just slowly change lanes forcing you to slow down or get sideswiped. Hard to get too excited when there's a good chance both of you are armed.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 09:02 PM (cOq4q)
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I figured someone would take that a little too literally.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:57 PM (JwHpX)
Your friendly test guy here to make sure that happens.
But it speaks to a bit of human nature that we often discuss: failure of humans to get causation right.
If black cats portend evil (an "omen"), then you kill all the black cats and no evil befalls you. And the rest of us facepalm and say "That's not how this works!" If you kill all the black cats, then you won't ever see the evil coming - but coming it is, anyway.
Directly to this, a mayor in one of the Upper Midwest states has people asking him to stop the eclipse, because of all the problems it will bring to the town (which is close to the totality track) with all the people coming to visit. Causation is NOT a strong suit of some people in this town.
Now, apply that to things like our homework....
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 07:57 PM (JwHpX)
Your friendly test guy here to make sure that happens.
But it speaks to a bit of human nature that we often discuss: failure of humans to get causation right.
If black cats portend evil (an "omen"), then you kill all the black cats and no evil befalls you. And the rest of us facepalm and say "That's not how this works!" If you kill all the black cats, then you won't ever see the evil coming - but coming it is, anyway.
Directly to this, a mayor in one of the Upper Midwest states has people asking him to stop the eclipse, because of all the problems it will bring to the town (which is close to the totality track) with all the people coming to visit. Causation is NOT a strong suit of some people in this town.
Now, apply that to things like our homework....
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:02 PM (69JzL)
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247 S'puppy, so sorry for your loss. Hugs to you and yours.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 08:52 PM (wQXfi)
Thank you, SiD!
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 08:52 PM (wQXfi)
Thank you, SiD!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:02 PM (v23vE)
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250 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:47 PM (v23vE)
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Condolences, amigo.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:53 PM (JwHpX)
Thanks, Weasel.
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Condolences, amigo.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 08:53 PM (JwHpX)
Thanks, Weasel.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:03 PM (v23vE)
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I know we don't have sign ups yet forthe NoVaMoMe, but just a remiinder that we will again try and accomodate anyone who wants to shoot on Sunday. And have dinner at our favorite place in Manassas.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 09:03 PM (t/2Uw)
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My question about brandishing an imitation firearm was prompted by the my curiosity about what would happen if gun guy had just waved a toy or even a cardboard cutout, What would the police do based on the law?
It's a misdemeanor in CA but apparently only there.
It's a misdemeanor in CA but apparently only there.
Posted by: pawn - Champion of Reality at April 07, 2024 09:03 PM (QB+5g)
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257 Unfortunately, my mom passed a couple weeks ago, and the family and I are traveling to the funeral this week.
So very sorry to hear that. Prayers up, amigo.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:57 PM (V8he0)
Thank you, NBFD.
So very sorry to hear that. Prayers up, amigo.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:57 PM (V8he0)
Thank you, NBFD.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:04 PM (v23vE)
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I guarantee this guy's fundamentals weren't any good.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:52 PM (69JzL)
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I believe I heard him say it was a 9mm. That's good enough as he mentioned it had been someone else's gun (Dad?).
I guarantee this guy's fundamentals weren't any good.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 08:52 PM (69JzL)
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I believe I heard him say it was a 9mm. That's good enough as he mentioned it had been someone else's gun (Dad?).
Posted by: Ciampino - he said she said at April 07, 2024 09:04 PM (qfLjt)
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I just thinking: gun brandishing guy didn't know what kind of gun it was? Sounds like a recipe for someone taking the gun away from him and showing the former owner how it works.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (tT6L1)
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Weasel, are we going to have homework every week?
Cuz the cat already ate mine.
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What he said....
Cuz the cat already ate mine.
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What he said....
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: polynikes at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (AIm4E)
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good job, SiD. Sounds like a great range trip.
Posted by: blake
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It was good. I like this range. I'd like to have local buddies ( I had awesome shooting buddies in Wyo), but getting used to going alone. My outings are pretty random lately, so I'm not making progress. But I don't think I'm regressing too badly. I've got lazy about dry fire drills at home, too. It's weird when you have an 84 year old with dementia living with you...
Posted by: blake
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It was good. I like this range. I'd like to have local buddies ( I had awesome shooting buddies in Wyo), but getting used to going alone. My outings are pretty random lately, so I'm not making progress. But I don't think I'm regressing too badly. I've got lazy about dry fire drills at home, too. It's weird when you have an 84 year old with dementia living with you...
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (wQXfi)
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Gun Guy is lying. He brandished the pistol, not the case.
What would be the point of brandishing a case? It looks like a purse.
What would be the point of brandishing a case? It looks like a purse.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at April 07, 2024 09:06 PM (ZgT0x)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 09:06 PM (tT6L1)
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225 Makes sense, sir. (Unless you're just stealing Grateful's wifi and that's why your hashes match...)
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:42 PM
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She's stealing my wifi, but that's OK. She knows how to wield a medical stapler which counts for a lot in this house.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:42 PM
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She's stealing my wifi, but that's OK. She knows how to wield a medical stapler which counts for a lot in this house.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 09:06 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Night, blake!
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:07 PM (wQXfi)
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I find brass in my washign maching/dryer all the time.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 07, 2024 09:07 PM (b4o9z)
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The model 28 is beautiful. It's big and heavy but feels *right* in my hands. First 6 shots (starting out with .3 went right down Broadway. I set it down and had a little moment of all the feels, as the kids used to say. I regret not taking a photo of that target, as I lost a little bit of focus after that. It was really happy with the .38 I had. I put 5 rounds of .357 through - the empty chamber definitely helps me catch myself flinching - and had one that didn't go bang the first time. I use .357 very sparingly (and was short on time) so I didn't try again.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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SiD, Great range report. FWIW, you might try some of the heavier bullet loads in 357 Magnum--less bark and flash with same deadly results. Hornady XTP or Winchester Silvertip at 140 gr Or if you can find some, Corbon makes some dandy 100 gr Powr'ball and 110 gr hollow point ammo that is light recoiling, not as noisy but blasts off in a 4 inch barrel to around 1500-1600fps. Very accurate ammo--almost laserlike.
I load for my own 357's and I usually use Titegroup and aim for around 1250-1300 fps instead of the bleeding edge bark and bite of the 125 gr. Hollow Point defense ammo.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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SiD, Great range report. FWIW, you might try some of the heavier bullet loads in 357 Magnum--less bark and flash with same deadly results. Hornady XTP or Winchester Silvertip at 140 gr Or if you can find some, Corbon makes some dandy 100 gr Powr'ball and 110 gr hollow point ammo that is light recoiling, not as noisy but blasts off in a 4 inch barrel to around 1500-1600fps. Very accurate ammo--almost laserlike.
I load for my own 357's and I usually use Titegroup and aim for around 1250-1300 fps instead of the bleeding edge bark and bite of the 125 gr. Hollow Point defense ammo.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:07 PM (G0ieF)
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Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
Prayers for you and your family.
May you begin to remember her in her prime.
Prayers for you and your family.
May you begin to remember her in her prime.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 07, 2024 09:08 PM (N+fj3)
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285 I find brass in my washign maching/dryer all the time.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
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When reloaders talk about tumbling brass, few dare use the washing machine to do it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
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When reloaders talk about tumbling brass, few dare use the washing machine to do it.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:08 PM (G0ieF)
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@duncanthrax how are we doing vs that poncey food thread count?
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM (IFNME)
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find brass in my washign maching/dryer all the time.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 07, 2024 09:07 PM (b4o9z)
Mrs. Red hands me .22 rounds from the laundry.
They usually work, too.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 07, 2024 09:07 PM (b4o9z)
Mrs. Red hands me .22 rounds from the laundry.
They usually work, too.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM (0KnEB)
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Weasel, are we going to have homework every week?
Cuz the cat already ate mine.
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What he said....
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Well none for this week!
Cuz the cat already ate mine.
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What he said....
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Well none for this week!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM (JwHpX)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM (t/2Uw)
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Sid, good for you! To go on your own to a new range, new equipment, etc - that is impressive. And I fully appreciate the hesitation to dry fire with your roomie. No upside there. So glad the new gub met exprectations
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM (IQ6Gq)
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It's weird when you have an 84 year old with dementia living with you...
Posted by: screaming in digital
Has to be hard, my mother is about the same age and has had dementia for about 5 years now. Fortunately she is in a good care home in my sister's home town and I deal with the paperworks, docts, etc via long distance.
Posted by: screaming in digital
Has to be hard, my mother is about the same age and has had dementia for about 5 years now. Fortunately she is in a good care home in my sister's home town and I deal with the paperworks, docts, etc via long distance.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:10 PM (G0ieF)
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I just thinking: gun brandishing guy didn't know what kind of gun it was? Sounds like a recipe for someone taking the gun away from him and showing the former owner how it works.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (tT6L1)
If he needs a gun, he'll just take it.
https://tinyurl.com/3phr3wbt
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (tT6L1)
If he needs a gun, he'll just take it.
https://tinyurl.com/3phr3wbt
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 09:11 PM (R/m4+)
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Weasel, I'm going to sign off early tonight. Jet lag is making my brain less coherent quickly, as evidenced by my lack of posts tonight. See you next week!
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 09:11 PM (yRXSd)
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Mrs. Red hands me .22 rounds from the laundry.
They usually work, too.
Posted by: RI Red
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I understand the need for clean ammo but that is taking it a bit too far.
They usually work, too.
Posted by: RI Red
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I understand the need for clean ammo but that is taking it a bit too far.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:11 PM (G0ieF)
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296 Weasel, I'm going to sign off early tonight. Jet lag is making my brain less coherent quickly, as evidenced by my lack of posts tonight. See you next week!
Posted by: Ed L
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Take care and some melatonin. Helps with the jet lag.
Posted by: Ed L
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Take care and some melatonin. Helps with the jet lag.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:11 PM (G0ieF)
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It was good. I like this range. I'd like to have local buddies ( I had awesome shooting buddies in Wyo), but getting used to going alone. My outings are pretty random lately, so I'm not making progress. But I don't think I'm regressing too badly. I've got lazy about dry fire drills at home, too. It's weird when you have an 84 year old with dementia living with you...
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (wQXfi)
There's a fair number of Morons in the Upcountry but I don't know if any are shooters. We need a MoronMatch.com for just shooting.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:05 PM (wQXfi)
There's a fair number of Morons in the Upcountry but I don't know if any are shooters. We need a MoronMatch.com for just shooting.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 09:12 PM (IFNME)
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266 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 08:47 PM (v23vE)
S-puppy, my condolences. It's a tough time, but do make sure you (or your family members) take care of the financial and legal stuff as quickly as you can. You'll be glad you did later on. And don't forget that someone will have to file 2024 taxes for her at about this time next year.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 09:01 PM (yRXSd)
Thanks, Ed. Luckily, my brother is an estate planner and is handling the details. The only decisions we had to make with either of my folks was in regard to burial -- something I'm seriously considering pre-arranging for my wife and me just to lower the stress level when the time comes.
S-puppy, my condolences. It's a tough time, but do make sure you (or your family members) take care of the financial and legal stuff as quickly as you can. You'll be glad you did later on. And don't forget that someone will have to file 2024 taxes for her at about this time next year.
Posted by: Ed L at April 07, 2024 09:01 PM (yRXSd)
Thanks, Ed. Luckily, my brother is an estate planner and is handling the details. The only decisions we had to make with either of my folks was in regard to burial -- something I'm seriously considering pre-arranging for my wife and me just to lower the stress level when the time comes.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:12 PM (v23vE)
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252 248 Gun Guy didn't even know what kind of pistol it was.
Posted by: IronDave
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Likely that the guy was lying. Unfortunately by Scotus giving the ok for cops to lie to people, people assume that is justifiable to lie to police as well. That can get you into trouble--best to keep one's mouth shut or politely decline to answer.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:54 PM (G0ieF)
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As far as I know you can lie to the local cops, it's the feds that will arrest you for that. Of course if you do lie to the local cops and they find out then anything else you say in your defense may get disregarded unless corroborated.
Posted by: IronDave
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Likely that the guy was lying. Unfortunately by Scotus giving the ok for cops to lie to people, people assume that is justifiable to lie to police as well. That can get you into trouble--best to keep one's mouth shut or politely decline to answer.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:54 PM (G0ieF)
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As far as I know you can lie to the local cops, it's the feds that will arrest you for that. Of course if you do lie to the local cops and they find out then anything else you say in your defense may get disregarded unless corroborated.
Posted by: Ciampino - he said she said they said at April 07, 2024 09:13 PM (qfLjt)
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Time to hit the rack. Thanks, Weasel, once again for a great thread.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 07, 2024 09:13 PM (3rnQf)
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Has to be hard, my mother is about the same age and has had dementia for about 5 years now. Fortunately she is in a good care home in my sister's home town and I deal with the paperworks, docts, etc via long distance.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:10 PM (G0ieF)
You are not alone. That's where we are with sra blaster's mother. It's tough.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:10 PM (G0ieF)
You are not alone. That's where we are with sra blaster's mother. It's tough.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 09:13 PM (IFNME)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:13 PM (JwHpX)
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the vast majority of law-abiding citizens who happen to own/carry firearms are not at all fairly represented by isolated anomalies such as this.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:19 PM (V8he0)
I tend to agree. But I've known LOTS of "Bubbas" in my life. They do exist. And we need to account for them in our discussions of rights and responsibilities. And a lot of that accounting (I think for folks here, anyway) goes to "Let's get these people to not be stupid by interacting with them and trying to teach them a better way."
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 08:19 PM (V8he0)
I tend to agree. But I've known LOTS of "Bubbas" in my life. They do exist. And we need to account for them in our discussions of rights and responsibilities. And a lot of that accounting (I think for folks here, anyway) goes to "Let's get these people to not be stupid by interacting with them and trying to teach them a better way."
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:14 PM (69JzL)
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Anyone in Ohio know Vance Outdoors? I ordered a bunch of 30 SC ammo from them bc it was really cheap and now their website is down and I'm getting worried.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 07, 2024 09:14 PM (b4o9z)
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279 Beretta's worst gun is their .22 Neos.
I need to sell mine but I'd feel guilty it's so bad.
Posted by: polynikes
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Both Sig and Beretta had problems with their 22 pistols and that was primarily a chamber issue with some American ammo (CCI Stingers are one of them but others can be an issue). There are actually two different 22 LR chambers floating around out there that have different specs. One is a match type and I think the other is called sporting chamber or something like that.
With your Neon, try plain ole ugly and dirty Remington Thunderbolt and it just might do fine.
I need to sell mine but I'd feel guilty it's so bad.
Posted by: polynikes
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Both Sig and Beretta had problems with their 22 pistols and that was primarily a chamber issue with some American ammo (CCI Stingers are one of them but others can be an issue). There are actually two different 22 LR chambers floating around out there that have different specs. One is a match type and I think the other is called sporting chamber or something like that.
With your Neon, try plain ole ugly and dirty Remington Thunderbolt and it just might do fine.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:14 PM (G0ieF)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:15 PM (JwHpX)
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306 Anyone in Ohio know Vance Outdoors? I ordered a bunch of 30 SC ammo from them bc it was really cheap and now their website is down and I'm getting worried.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
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I've never done business with them.
Try checking some of the big forums like The High Road, the Firing Line, or AR15 dot com. I think some subforums deal with vendor problems.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
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I've never done business with them.
Try checking some of the big forums like The High Road, the Firing Line, or AR15 dot com. I think some subforums deal with vendor problems.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:15 PM (G0ieF)
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Rhomboid!
Damnit!
Your reviews are starting to impact my cigar budget.
But in a good way as so far, money well spent.
Damnit!
Your reviews are starting to impact my cigar budget.
But in a good way as so far, money well spent.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 07, 2024 09:16 PM (W/lyH)
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I wonder what was the immigration status of the Uber driver?
Posted by: Ciampino - he said she said they said - sheesh pronouns at April 07, 2024 09:16 PM (qfLjt)
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SiD, Great range report. FWIW, you might try some of the heavier bullet loads in 357 Magnum--less bark and flash with same deadly results. Hornady XTP or Winchester Silvertip at 140 gr Or if you can find some, Corbon makes some dandy 100 gr Powr'ball and 110 gr hollow point ammo that is light recoiling, not as noisy but blasts off in a 4 inch barrel to around 1500-1600fps. Very accurate ammo--almost laserlike.
I load for my own 357's and I usually use Titegroup and aim for around 1250-1300 fps instead of the bleeding edge bark and bite of the 125 gr. Hollow Point defense ammo.
Posted by: whig
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I bought the cheapest .357 I found on PSA - it is Armscor 158 gr. Making note of these recommendations. I don't plan to shoot this gun often, and will primarily shoot .38 but I do like a little bigger boom now and then. Also will stock some defense ammo, although I'm not sure if this gun should be part of my defense strategy. BTW my 28 has a 6 inch barrel.
I load for my own 357's and I usually use Titegroup and aim for around 1250-1300 fps instead of the bleeding edge bark and bite of the 125 gr. Hollow Point defense ammo.
Posted by: whig
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I bought the cheapest .357 I found on PSA - it is Armscor 158 gr. Making note of these recommendations. I don't plan to shoot this gun often, and will primarily shoot .38 but I do like a little bigger boom now and then. Also will stock some defense ammo, although I'm not sure if this gun should be part of my defense strategy. BTW my 28 has a 6 inch barrel.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:17 PM (wQXfi)
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Ed L, you were missed today.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 09:17 PM (t/2Uw)
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Ok, 9:17 Thank you time!
Thank you!
Man tonight went by fast. Thanks all for being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Thank you!
Man tonight went by fast. Thanks all for being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:17 PM (JwHpX)
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@duncanthrax how are we doing vs that poncey food thread count?
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM
FT count is currently 263, so for this week, Weasel can put his feet up and smoke 'em if he's got 'em.
(Chef Weasel was mentioned to CBD as a resource to help resolve an issue CBD posted. They're probably chatting on the secret CoB backchannel as we type.)
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM
FT count is currently 263, so for this week, Weasel can put his feet up and smoke 'em if he's got 'em.
(Chef Weasel was mentioned to CBD as a resource to help resolve an issue CBD posted. They're probably chatting on the secret CoB backchannel as we type.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 09:17 PM (a3Q+t)
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Prayers for you and your family.
May you begin to remember her in her prime.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 07, 2024 09:08 PM (N+fj3)
Thank you, AZ!
May you begin to remember her in her prime.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 07, 2024 09:08 PM (N+fj3)
Thank you, AZ!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:18 PM (v23vE)
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You are not alone. That's where we are with sra blaster's mother. It's tough.
Posted by: blaster
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At a certain point though, you have to laugh or you would cry at the various stories that start coming back at you. My mother goes back and forth in sort of a time machine spinning out old memories and then making up a new narrative to explain what happened. Thus, a recent stay in rehab became a trip to Europe at a hotel and so on.
Posted by: blaster
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At a certain point though, you have to laugh or you would cry at the various stories that start coming back at you. My mother goes back and forth in sort of a time machine spinning out old memories and then making up a new narrative to explain what happened. Thus, a recent stay in rehab became a trip to Europe at a hotel and so on.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:18 PM (G0ieF)
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Tried that. The slide is locked hard into position about 1/4"-1/2" behind its normal forward position. It will not move at all, not even a little.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (oBPoz)
/cringeface/
Yeah, I would go straight to the gunsmith with that one, stating "unclean loaded weapon" the whole way. Yikes.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (oBPoz)
/cringeface/
Yeah, I would go straight to the gunsmith with that one, stating "
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:18 PM (69JzL)
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If anyone follows NASCAR, Beretta and Norma Precision Ammo sponsors Jeb Burton in the Xfinity series. I think the connection comes through Ward Burton who is quite the outdoorsman.
First time I can recall seeing a firearm maker or ammo producer as a race car sponsor.
First time I can recall seeing a firearm maker or ammo producer as a race car sponsor.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 09:19 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thanks Weasel for all you do which goes far beyond the Gun Thread.
Have a good week all.
Have a good week all.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 09:19 PM (t/2Uw)
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Have a great week, Weasel. The sun will rise (and set) tomorrow. Heh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 09:19 PM (V8he0)
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292 {{{S'puppy}}}
Til I can give you a real hug.
May his memory be a blessing.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM (t/2Uw)
Thank you, Sharon!
Til I can give you a real hug.
May his memory be a blessing.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 09:09 PM (t/2Uw)
Thank you, Sharon!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:19 PM (v23vE)
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if someone gets an upskirt peek and don't like the hardware.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (cOq4q)
Oh, you naughty man, you!
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 08:25 PM (cOq4q)
Oh, you naughty man, you!
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:19 PM (69JzL)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:19 PM (JwHpX)
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Whig, hope all is well with you. I’m now on a .308 kick and just fire-formed a bunch of brass.Used the tumbler, too, instead of the washing machine.
Going back and doing concentricity, neck thickness, etc.Then going to start doing some load ladders . Shot a bunch of 150s today,but without optics it was just going for hitting steel at distance.
Still, I’m getting used to the AR10 platform. Comfortable, but the ability to just keep shooting is going to be expensive. But that’s why we reload!
Going back and doing concentricity, neck thickness, etc.Then going to start doing some load ladders . Shot a bunch of 150s today,but without optics it was just going for hitting steel at distance.
Still, I’m getting used to the AR10 platform. Comfortable, but the ability to just keep shooting is going to be expensive. But that’s why we reload!
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:20 PM (0KnEB)
Posted by: Diogenes at April 07, 2024 09:20 PM (W/lyH)
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There's a fair number of Morons in the Upcountry but I don't know if any are shooters. We need a MoronMatch.com for just shooting.
Posted by: blaster
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Yes, I've been in touch with a few. I think we could round up a smallish group for shootin' and eatin' but I am never gonna have my shit together enough to plan anything.
Posted by: blaster
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Yes, I've been in touch with a few. I think we could round up a smallish group for shootin' and eatin' but I am never gonna have my shit together enough to plan anything.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:21 PM (wQXfi)
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306 Anyone in Ohio know Vance Outdoors? I ordered a bunch of 30 SC ammo from them bc it was really cheap and now their website is down and I'm getting worried.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 07, 2024 09:14 PM (b4o9z)
They're legitimate. I bought from them many years ago, before I unfortunately discovered my love of canoeing. They have a couple brick 'n mortar locations in or near Columbus, and the one I visited is usually insanely busy.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 07, 2024 09:14 PM (b4o9z)
They're legitimate. I bought from them many years ago, before I unfortunately discovered my love of canoeing. They have a couple brick 'n mortar locations in or near Columbus, and the one I visited is usually insanely busy.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:21 PM (v23vE)
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test
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 09:22 PM (NxC5+)
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Greetings from San Antonio.
Back from dinner and hitting the sack early to hopefully find a clear spot tomorrow to see the eclipse.
Back from dinner and hitting the sack early to hopefully find a clear spot tomorrow to see the eclipse.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM (9SHQM)
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Well, folks, once again noone have commented on the backdrop in the picture of the Cigar of the Week.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 08:29 PM (a3Q+t)
Dude! I most certainly did! *hands you a better pair of reading glasses*
I didn't comment on what caliber the brass in that picture was because it's all empty - so it doesn't really matter until you reload, or it relates to the size of the cigar (as *I* asked about).
Honestly, I'm hurt, man.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 08:29 PM (a3Q+t)
Dude! I most certainly did! *hands you a better pair of reading glasses*
I didn't comment on what caliber the brass in that picture was because it's all empty - so it doesn't really matter until you reload, or it relates to the size of the cigar (as *I* asked about).
Honestly, I'm hurt, man.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM (69JzL)
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What happens if you brandish an Replica or an Air Soft?
Posted by: pawn
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What about a Byrna?
https://byrna.com
What happens if you brandish an Replica or an Air Soft?
Posted by: pawn
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What about a Byrna?
https://byrna.com
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM (63Dwl)
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Enjoyed the Gun Thread, thanks Weasel.
P.S.
I was never any good and turning in homework... I looked at the problem, figured out the answer and never turned it in, drove the teachers nuts.
It didn't do much for me grades either.
P.S.
I was never any good and turning in homework... I looked at the problem, figured out the answer and never turned it in, drove the teachers nuts.
It didn't do much for me grades either.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 07, 2024 09:24 PM (N+fj3)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:24 PM (JwHpX)
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Everybody crazy bout a smooth black cat.
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 09:25 PM (NxC5+)
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Greetings from San Antonio.
Back from dinner and hitting the sack early to hopefully find a clear spot tomorrow to see the eclipse.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM
Be sure to try the breakfast tacos!
Back from dinner and hitting the sack early to hopefully find a clear spot tomorrow to see the eclipse.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM
Be sure to try the breakfast tacos!
Posted by: Dr. Jill at April 07, 2024 09:25 PM (a3Q+t)
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I'm not going to the range tomorrow while the eclipse is occurring in my area. Because my ballistic app doesn't say how many clicks down I need to use to compensate for the upward gravitational force of the combined Sun AND Moon. I'd be wasting ammo.
;-)
;-)
Posted by: Gref at April 07, 2024 09:26 PM (5fDan)
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Everybody crazy bout a smooth black cat.
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 09:25 PM
I rate this statement as true.
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 09:25 PM
I rate this statement as true.
Posted by: Ace of Spades Ben Had, the Official Cat of the 2019 TxMoMe at April 07, 2024 09:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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Greetings from San Antonio.
Back from dinner and hitting the sack early to hopefully find a clear spot tomorrow to see the eclipse.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM
Came this close >< to flying down there earlier this week. Granddaughter #2 was playing in her high school regional soccer match. They won.
Back from dinner and hitting the sack early to hopefully find a clear spot tomorrow to see the eclipse.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM
Came this close >< to flying down there earlier this week. Granddaughter #2 was playing in her high school regional soccer match. They won.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 07, 2024 09:26 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:26 PM (JwHpX)
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I'm not going to the range tomorrow while the eclipse is occurring in my area. Because my ballistic app doesn't say how many clicks down I need to use to compensate for the upward gravitational force of the combined Sun AND Moon. I'd be wasting ammo.
;-)
Posted by: Gref
That alignment might pull them right up to the stratosphere!
;-)
Posted by: Gref
That alignment might pull them right up to the stratosphere!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 07, 2024 09:27 PM (N+fj3)
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328
I bought from them many years ago, before I unfortunately discovered my love of canoeing.
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You know, if you used outriggers then y'all wouldn't be having all these capsizing accidents with those silly canoes!
/s
I bought from them many years ago, before I unfortunately discovered my love of canoeing.
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You know, if you used outriggers then y'all wouldn't be having all these capsizing accidents with those silly canoes!
/s
Posted by: Ciampino - At how many pronouns are we? at April 07, 2024 09:28 PM (qfLjt)
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I've been waiting for the eclipse since 1991 so of course I am going to try and see it tomorrow. Now, whether or not the clouds steal it from me is an open question.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 07, 2024 09:29 PM (9SHQM)
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Lunar Density Altitude!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:26 PM (JwHpX)
Oh, crap, another variable we gotta keep track of on the rifle range? I was just getting over cosines...
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:26 PM (JwHpX)
Oh, crap, another variable we gotta keep track of on the rifle range? I was just getting over cosines...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:29 PM (v23vE)
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So after the gun thread we're going to iTarget some more.
Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2024 09:30 PM (IFNME)
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I bought the cheapest .357 I found on PSA - it is Armscor 158 gr.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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The 357 really begins to shine longer than 5 inches. Try the Winchester Silvertip Defense 145 Grain or the Hornady Critical Duty 135 Grain Hornady FlexLock Polymer for self defense. A bit over a dollar a round but excellent.
158 gr bullets were the original load for the 357 Magnum but police found it over penetrated and did not perform as well as they liked and it has substantial recoil. Does well for hunting purposes though or even heavier to the 180 gr bullets.
Police switched to the 125 gr Semi jacketed hollow points and hit the speed pedal to where these are blasting out at about 1450-1500 fps with a lot of muzzle blast. This is what made the 357's rep in cop circles for stopping criminals but it was hard on the guns back then.
The midweights have the right combination at 135-140 or so at a bit less speed for self defense.
Corbon is worth a call too. They went through an ownership change but for the NJ peeps, the Powrball complies with NJ ban on hollowpoints. Their lightweight 357 at 110 grain is close to what the old Treasury Dept. 38 Spc ++ was.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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The 357 really begins to shine longer than 5 inches. Try the Winchester Silvertip Defense 145 Grain or the Hornady Critical Duty 135 Grain Hornady FlexLock Polymer for self defense. A bit over a dollar a round but excellent.
158 gr bullets were the original load for the 357 Magnum but police found it over penetrated and did not perform as well as they liked and it has substantial recoil. Does well for hunting purposes though or even heavier to the 180 gr bullets.
Police switched to the 125 gr Semi jacketed hollow points and hit the speed pedal to where these are blasting out at about 1450-1500 fps with a lot of muzzle blast. This is what made the 357's rep in cop circles for stopping criminals but it was hard on the guns back then.
The midweights have the right combination at 135-140 or so at a bit less speed for self defense.
Corbon is worth a call too. They went through an ownership change but for the NJ peeps, the Powrball complies with NJ ban on hollowpoints. Their lightweight 357 at 110 grain is close to what the old Treasury Dept. 38 Spc ++ was.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:30 PM (G0ieF)
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You know, if you used outriggers then y'all wouldn't be having all these capsizing accidents with those silly canoes!
/s
Posted by: Ciampino - At how many pronouns are we? at April 07, 2024 09:28 PM (qfLjt)
Clearly you have never seen me interact with watercraft ...
/s
Posted by: Ciampino - At how many pronouns are we? at April 07, 2024 09:28 PM (qfLjt)
Clearly you have never seen me interact with watercraft ...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:31 PM (v23vE)
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Scoobs, San Anton is one of my favorite places. Or it used to be till it was overrun.
Great jazz and blues down on the River Walk.
Great jazz and blues down on the River Walk.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:34 PM (0KnEB)
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BTW,
SiD,
Robert K. Campbell is a former SLED officer and detective in S. Carolina that is now a full time gunwriter (editor at Gun Tests and Gun Digests and has some excellent books out there).
If you can hook up with him possibly through range friends of friends, he would be an awesome resource. He literally wrote books on the the Handgun in Self Defense and particularly the 1911 and the 357 Magnum revolvers.
SiD,
Robert K. Campbell is a former SLED officer and detective in S. Carolina that is now a full time gunwriter (editor at Gun Tests and Gun Digests and has some excellent books out there).
If you can hook up with him possibly through range friends of friends, he would be an awesome resource. He literally wrote books on the the Handgun in Self Defense and particularly the 1911 and the 357 Magnum revolvers.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:34 PM (G0ieF)
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Simply put, far too many people do not associate 'rights' with duties in exercising the rights.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (G0ieF)
They want license, not freedom.
And these duties (responsibilities) are not "infringements" but the sort of thing that are part of living with other people. I can brandish my gun all I want if the only potential threats I have to deal with are bears and moose (fat lot of good it will do me). But we handle life in a certain way because we live among other people - and that applies to our freedoms, too.
And, I think everyone here understands that - even the ones who get a bit ... brash in their talk.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 08:43 PM (G0ieF)
They want license, not freedom.
And these duties (responsibilities) are not "infringements" but the sort of thing that are part of living with other people. I can brandish my gun all I want if the only potential threats I have to deal with are bears and moose (fat lot of good it will do me). But we handle life in a certain way because we live among other people - and that applies to our freedoms, too.
And, I think everyone here understands that - even the ones who get a bit ... brash in their talk.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:35 PM (69JzL)
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335 Everybody crazy bout a smooth black cat.
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 09:25 PM (NxC5+)
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I love black cats and white cats and combos. Currently I have 5 black cats - Cole and his Mom Luna, Salem, Biscuits and Chunkers. No white ones at the moment. Two Tuxedos.
Posted by: Eromero at April 07, 2024 09:25 PM (NxC5+)
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I love black cats and white cats and combos. Currently I have 5 black cats - Cole and his Mom Luna, Salem, Biscuits and Chunkers. No white ones at the moment. Two Tuxedos.
Posted by: Ciampino - They all say Meeaw to the Horde at April 07, 2024 09:35 PM (qfLjt)
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This is the first homework assignment I ever turned in on time and complete.
I had it done five days in advance with a minor edit on the bus to school.
My mom probably had a tear in her eye and has no idea why.
I had it done five days in advance with a minor edit on the bus to school.
My mom probably had a tear in her eye and has no idea why.
Posted by: Reforger at April 07, 2024 09:36 PM (B705c)
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Dude! I most certainly did! *hands you a better pair of reading glasses*
I didn't comment on what caliber the brass in that picture was because it's all empty - so it doesn't really matter until you reload, or it relates to the size of the cigar (as *I* asked about).
Honestly, I'm hurt, man.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM
Ok, you get credit for *noticing* the background picture, but some analysis would have informed you the opening of the brass will be ~ .356", and from there you could determine what, if any, cigar products it would encompass.
I didn't comment on what caliber the brass in that picture was because it's all empty - so it doesn't really matter until you reload, or it relates to the size of the cigar (as *I* asked about).
Honestly, I'm hurt, man.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:23 PM
Ok, you get credit for *noticing* the background picture, but some analysis would have informed you the opening of the brass will be ~ .356", and from there you could determine what, if any, cigar products it would encompass.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)
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I appreciate all of your responses and participation in the Gun Guy video. I like being able to have a thoughtful exchange of ideas in our little corner of the internet. As I run across additional thought provoking topics, we can do it again if all y'all enjoyed it!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:38 PM (JwHpX)
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Tried that. The slide is locked hard into position about 1/4"-1/2" behind its normal forward position. It will not move at all, not even a little.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (oBPoz)
Did you try the 'forward assist' by smacking the slide with your palm?
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (oBPoz)
Did you try the 'forward assist' by smacking the slide with your palm?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 09:39 PM (cOq4q)
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'm not going to the range tomorrow while the eclipse is occurring in my area. Because my ballistic app doesn't say how many clicks down I need to use to compensate for the upward gravitational force of the combined Sun AND Moon. I'd be wasting ammo.
Posted by: Gref at April 07, 2024 09:26 PM (5fDan)
Just aim for the belt buckle. It will drop in there somewheres.
Posted by: Gref at April 07, 2024 09:26 PM (5fDan)
Just aim for the belt buckle. It will drop in there somewheres.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 07, 2024 09:39 PM (R/m4+)
357
If you can hook up with him possibly through range friends of friends, he would be an awesome resource. He literally wrote books on the the Handgun in Self Defense and particularly the 1911 and the 357 Magnum revolvers.
Posted by: whig
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Currently I have zero local range friends. But there is a gun school nearby that offers many kinds of classes - the one I am really interested in is cleaning and maintenance. So that might be an opening for me to make some connections. I'm terrible at this sort of thing but I do have some guns now that are pretty good conversation starters.
Posted by: whig
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Currently I have zero local range friends. But there is a gun school nearby that offers many kinds of classes - the one I am really interested in is cleaning and maintenance. So that might be an opening for me to make some connections. I'm terrible at this sort of thing but I do have some guns now that are pretty good conversation starters.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:39 PM (wQXfi)
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325 Whig, hope all is well with you. I’m now on a .308 kick and just fire-formed a bunch of brass.Used the tumbler, too, instead of the washing machine.
Going back and doing concentricity, neck thickness, etc.Then going to start doing some load ladders . Shot a bunch of 150s today,but without optics it was just going for hitting steel at distance.
Still, I’m getting used to the AR10 platform. Comfortable, but the ability to just keep shooting is going to be expensive. But that’s why we reload!
Posted by: RI Red
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Settling into retirement by getting rid of a lot of my professional work and library for the last 30 years of so this week. Still seeing loads of docs but some light at the end of the tunnel there.
My AR10 was built just prior to my health downturn 4-5 years ago and haven't got the wring it out much. Had to get RCBS Small Base Dies though for reloading 308 and case life is a bit of a worry right now due that that fact.
The small base dies made it much easier on reloading 5.56 range brass when I was firing a lot of that. I always hated the ex military brass floating around that was fired through SAWs as they tended to blow out the cases a bit.
Going back and doing concentricity, neck thickness, etc.Then going to start doing some load ladders . Shot a bunch of 150s today,but without optics it was just going for hitting steel at distance.
Still, I’m getting used to the AR10 platform. Comfortable, but the ability to just keep shooting is going to be expensive. But that’s why we reload!
Posted by: RI Red
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Settling into retirement by getting rid of a lot of my professional work and library for the last 30 years of so this week. Still seeing loads of docs but some light at the end of the tunnel there.
My AR10 was built just prior to my health downturn 4-5 years ago and haven't got the wring it out much. Had to get RCBS Small Base Dies though for reloading 308 and case life is a bit of a worry right now due that that fact.
The small base dies made it much easier on reloading 5.56 range brass when I was firing a lot of that. I always hated the ex military brass floating around that was fired through SAWs as they tended to blow out the cases a bit.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:40 PM (G0ieF)
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Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:39 PM (wQXfi)
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Excellent idea, especially since I can get my shit together enough to do that in TX!
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Excellent idea, especially since I can get my shit together enough to do that in TX!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:41 PM (JwHpX)
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355 Tried that. The slide is locked hard into position about 1/4"-1/2" behind its normal forward position. It will not move at all, not even a little.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM
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Did you try brandishing a gun bag at it? I hear that sometimes works to resolve problems.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM
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Did you try brandishing a gun bag at it? I hear that sometimes works to resolve problems.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 09:41 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Late to the party...
He's an idiot. But...the cops overstepped, because it was a "he said/he said," rather than any evidence that he did brandish.
I do believe the Uber driver though.
There is no way on God's green earth that I would draw my firearm unless I was in fear for my life; and the next step would be aiming it at someone.
Part of the social compact that is sadly breaking down in this country is that confrontation should be minimized unless there is no other option. The brandisher had a bunch of options, including the time-honored tradition of flipping the guy the bird and leaning on his horn. And then dropping it!
He's an idiot. But...the cops overstepped, because it was a "he said/he said," rather than any evidence that he did brandish.
I do believe the Uber driver though.
There is no way on God's green earth that I would draw my firearm unless I was in fear for my life; and the next step would be aiming it at someone.
Part of the social compact that is sadly breaking down in this country is that confrontation should be minimized unless there is no other option. The brandisher had a bunch of options, including the time-honored tradition of flipping the guy the bird and leaning on his horn. And then dropping it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 07, 2024 09:41 PM (gSZYf)
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can = can't.
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:42 PM (JwHpX)
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SiD, what state did you move to? I should know, but…
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:42 PM (0KnEB)
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354 I appreciate all of your responses and participation in the Gun Guy video. I like being able to have a thoughtful exchange of ideas in our little corner of the internet. As I run across additional thought provoking topics, we can do it again if all y'all enjoyed it!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:38 PM (JwHpX)
The video and the homework were good thought exercises for practical applications of our collective chosen hobby/vocation/infatuation with shooty things.
As to Gun Guy, "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others."
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:38 PM (JwHpX)
The video and the homework were good thought exercises for practical applications of our collective chosen hobby/vocation/infatuation with shooty things.
As to Gun Guy, "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others."
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:42 PM (v23vE)
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OK, it's that time to start sorting things for the coming week...thanks Weasel for the thread and for all the comments....yes, Ed L., we did miss you - but look forward to catching up...special hugs to Schnorflepuppy this week, and for as long as you need them...and special thanks to all for accepting me into the group and teaching you as much as you have. It is appreciated more than you will ever know.
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 09:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
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SiD, what state did you move to? I should know, but…
Posted by: RI Red
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South Carolina, too small to be an independent republic, too large to be an insane asylum.
Posted by: RI Red
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South Carolina, too small to be an independent republic, too large to be an insane asylum.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:44 PM (wQXfi)
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Currently I have zero local range friends. But there is a gun school nearby that offers many kinds of classes - the one I am really interested in is cleaning and maintenance. So that might be an opening for me to make some connections. I'm terrible at this sort of thing but I do have some guns now that are pretty good conversation starters.
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Good thought on the cleaning and maintenance classes. Gun folks are friendly folks aside from a few sour ones at gunstores or ranges from time to time. As my health went south, I spent more time with docs just trying to keep working during the last ten years so pretty much put me outside the shooting community. I met a lot of folks through working with the state gun rights group and we had some big successes in GA.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Good thought on the cleaning and maintenance classes. Gun folks are friendly folks aside from a few sour ones at gunstores or ranges from time to time. As my health went south, I spent more time with docs just trying to keep working during the last ten years so pretty much put me outside the shooting community. I met a lot of folks through working with the state gun rights group and we had some big successes in GA.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:44 PM (G0ieF)
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355 Tried that. The slide is locked hard into position about 1/4"-1/2" behind its normal forward position. It will not move at all, not even a little.
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (oBPoz)
Did you try the 'forward assist' by smacking the slide with your palm?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 09:39 PM (cOq4q)
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Sheesh guys what's wrong with the true and tried Moron method, The Hot Iron?
Posted by: Splunge at April 07, 2024 08:24 PM (oBPoz)
Did you try the 'forward assist' by smacking the slide with your palm?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 09:39 PM (cOq4q)
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Sheesh guys what's wrong with the true and tried Moron method, The Hot Iron?
Posted by: Ciampino - It needs a good whack with a tire iron at April 07, 2024 09:44 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:44 PM (JwHpX)
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356 'm not going to the range tomorrow while the eclipse is occurring in my area. Because my ballistic app doesn't say how many clicks down I need to use to compensate for the upward gravitational force of the combined Sun AND Moon. I'd be wasting ammo.
Posted by: Gref
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Tracers work awesome in the dark for that.
Posted by: Gref
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Tracers work awesome in the dark for that.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:45 PM (G0ieF)
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SiD, I’m thinking the Grand Duchy of New Hampshire has a good sound to it.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:46 PM (0KnEB)
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can = can't.
Posted by: Weasel
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There is WAY too much going on at the MoMe that is more fun than cleaning gubs. It's probably not realistic. As much I as need to continue my gub education, I'd rather take a break and spin around the dance floor with Salty Dog or anyone else crazy enough to risk his toes.
Posted by: Weasel
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There is WAY too much going on at the MoMe that is more fun than cleaning gubs. It's probably not realistic. As much I as need to continue my gub education, I'd rather take a break and spin around the dance floor with Salty Dog or anyone else crazy enough to risk his toes.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:46 PM (wQXfi)
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Scoobs, San Anton is one of my favorite places. Or it used to be till it was overrun.
Great jazz and blues down on the River Walk.
Sadly, Jim Cullum's Landing has been gone for years if that's the place you're remembering.
Great jazz and blues down on the River Walk.
Sadly, Jim Cullum's Landing has been gone for years if that's the place you're remembering.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 07, 2024 09:46 PM (sNc8Y)
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No range time for me this week. But did buy some gub raffle tickets. Local HS trap team fundraiser.
Posted by: scampydog at April 07, 2024 09:47 PM (41CYW)
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Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:46 PM (wQXfi)
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We'll figure something out!
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We'll figure something out!
Posted by: Weasel at April 07, 2024 09:47 PM (JwHpX)
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Complicating this session was that my brand-new pistol malfunctioned after a couple of mags, with the slide frozen about 1/2" short of full return and, I am pretty sure, a round in the chamber. I plan to take it to a professional. Online searches tells me I am far from the first to have this problem with this pistol. Annoying.
Posted by: Splunge
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Smart to take it to a pro. Messing around with a stuck slide with a live chamber in the pipe can get exciting without the right tools and very good backstop and hearing protection.
It could be bad out of spec round though as the quality of a lot of range ammo has seeming declined for a lot of brands.
Posted by: Splunge
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Smart to take it to a pro. Messing around with a stuck slide with a live chamber in the pipe can get exciting without the right tools and very good backstop and hearing protection.
It could be bad out of spec round though as the quality of a lot of range ammo has seeming declined for a lot of brands.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:48 PM (G0ieF)
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354 I appreciate all of your responses and participation in the Gun Guy video. I like being able to have a thoughtful exchange of ideas in our little corner of the internet. As I run across additional thought provoking topics, we can do it again if all y'all enjoyed it!
Posted by: Weasel
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Yes we can. Would enjoy.
Posted by: Weasel
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Yes we can. Would enjoy.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:49 PM (G0ieF)
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Whig, good luck with retirement. I know you have some health issues to deal with.
I tried retirement but only lasted three years.
Luckily, my health is pretty good and I like having a reason to get up in the morning and go to work.
It helps with my expensive hobbies, too.
Let’s see. I gave up golf and boats. Now I’m down to just shooting stuff. All is good.
I tried retirement but only lasted three years.
Luckily, my health is pretty good and I like having a reason to get up in the morning and go to work.
It helps with my expensive hobbies, too.
Let’s see. I gave up golf and boats. Now I’m down to just shooting stuff. All is good.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:49 PM (0KnEB)
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And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 07, 2024 09:50 PM (V8he0)
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Sadly, Jim Cullum's Landing has been gone for years if that's the place you're remembering.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 07, 2024 09:46 PM (sNc8Y)
That’s exactly what I was recalling!
Posted by: Oddbob at April 07, 2024 09:46 PM (sNc8Y)
That’s exactly what I was recalling!
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:51 PM (0KnEB)
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OK, thank you time. Thanks to Weasel as always. Thanks to the horde for sharing wisdom, stories, and giggles. Thanks to the DMV MGC. Thanks to Grateful for the wifi.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 09:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Luckily, my health is pretty good...
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:49 PM (0KnEB)
That's what all the aspirin is for?
Oh...wait...you shoot it...you don't take it!
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:49 PM (0KnEB)
That's what all the aspirin is for?
Oh...wait...you shoot it...you don't take it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 07, 2024 09:52 PM (gSZYf)
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Before this totally closes out...
Thanks, again, Weasel, for the Gun Thread, and to all the commenters for being some of the best folks.
Thanks, again, Weasel, for the Gun Thread, and to all the commenters for being some of the best folks.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:53 PM (69JzL)
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378 Whig, good luck with retirement. I know you have some health issues to deal with.
I tried retirement but only lasted three years.
Luckily, my health is pretty good and I like having a reason to get up in the morning and go to work.
It helps with my expensive hobbies, too.
Let’s see. I gave up golf and boats. Now I’m down to just shooting stuff. All is good.
Posted by: RI Red
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Thx--in my case, it was time to quit fighting it.
I tried retirement but only lasted three years.
Luckily, my health is pretty good and I like having a reason to get up in the morning and go to work.
It helps with my expensive hobbies, too.
Let’s see. I gave up golf and boats. Now I’m down to just shooting stuff. All is good.
Posted by: RI Red
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Thx--in my case, it was time to quit fighting it.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:53 PM (G0ieF)
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Good night folks.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2024 09:53 PM (G0ieF)
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Good evening all and have a great week!
Posted by: Coelacanth at April 07, 2024 09:54 PM (f1L9I)
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CBD, I’m starting to like this PSA firearm. Can’t wait for June!
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:54 PM (0KnEB)
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SiD, I’m thinking the Grand Duchy of New Hampshire has a good sound to it.
Posted by: RI Red
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Never been there, but would not mind going someday. Especially if there is lasagna.
Posted by: RI Red
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Never been there, but would not mind going someday. Especially if there is lasagna.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:54 PM (wQXfi)
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Thanks to Grateful for the wifi.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 09:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
You are a wise man!
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 09:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
You are a wise man!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at April 07, 2024 09:55 PM (hOUT3)
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but some analysis would have informed you the opening of the brass will be ~ .356", and from there you could determine what, if any, cigar products it would encompass.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)
Are you saying I should have done some MATH?! Because I know you wouldn't be asking me to do MATH on the Gun Thread.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2024 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)
Are you saying I should have done some MATH?! Because I know you wouldn't be asking me to do MATH on the Gun Thread.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 09:55 PM (69JzL)
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Mrs. Red is famous for her lasagna. And she’s not even Italian.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:55 PM (0KnEB)
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I enjoyed the homework. More the chance to have conversations about stuff. Lot of interaction on the thread tonight which alwasy makes it more fun.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 07, 2024 09:56 PM (t/2Uw)
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Thanks all for the kind words, and for the informative thread tonight! Traveling next weekend, but hope to be back on the 21st. (Holy flaming shitballs, that sounds like a long time in the future.)
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 07, 2024 09:56 PM (v23vE)
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390 For the record, absolutely no math required on the GT.....homework is enough!
Posted by: Grateful at April 07, 2024 09:57 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Weasel, another fine night. I’ve said it before, but Sunday nights are a highlight of my week.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:58 PM (0KnEB)
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Thank you Weasel and Horde. I say it every time but I just love spending Sunday evenings with you all. 12 hours til the Monday morning staff meeting... sigh
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:58 PM (wQXfi)
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388 SiD, I’m thinking the Grand Duchy of New Hampshire has a good sound to it.
Posted by: RI Red
Never been there, but would not mind going someday. Especially if there is lasagna.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:54 PM
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We've got lasagna in Virgina if you need to make a pit stop on the way to/from.
Posted by: RI Red
Never been there, but would not mind going someday. Especially if there is lasagna.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 07, 2024 09:54 PM
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We've got lasagna in Virgina if you need to make a pit stop on the way to/from.
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 09:59 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Weasel, another fine night. I’ve said it before, but Sunday nights are a highlight of my week.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:58 PM (0KnEB)
Ditto.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 09:58 PM (0KnEB)
Ditto.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2024 10:01 PM (69JzL)
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Ok, folks, just a few more posts till Weasel gets an A for participation.
Posted by: RI Red at April 07, 2024 10:01 PM (0KnEB)
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400! Done!
Posted by: TRex at April 07, 2024 10:01 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Smart to take it to a pro. Messing around with a stuck slide with a live chamber in the pipe can get exciting without the right tools and very good backstop and hearing protection.
It could be bad out of spec round though as the quality of a lot of range ammo has seeming declined for a lot of brands.
Posted by: whig
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I am a FAFO guy on the occasion this happened to me -
First Time - The previous round was a squib and barely made it past freebore and blocked the next round from chambering and at a point in the action where it didn't want to be ejected... dropped the mag and at home could put more force to eject (with barrel up and away... range rules barrels downrange at all times..). Once round was ejected and gun broken down I could see the squib and dropped a cleaning rod in and tapped it out.
Second Time - Light reloads with stiff recoil spring. Overall length was a bit long so some engagement of rifling keep the slide from closing. Forward assist worked here.
Take it to a smith... if you don't want to FAFO.
Smart to take it to a pro. Messing around with a stuck slide with a live chamber in the pipe can get exciting without the right tools and very good backstop and hearing protection.
It could be bad out of spec round though as the quality of a lot of range ammo has seeming declined for a lot of brands.
Posted by: whig
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I am a FAFO guy on the occasion this happened to me -
First Time - The previous round was a squib and barely made it past freebore and blocked the next round from chambering and at a point in the action where it didn't want to be ejected... dropped the mag and at home could put more force to eject (with barrel up and away... range rules barrels downrange at all times..). Once round was ejected and gun broken down I could see the squib and dropped a cleaning rod in and tapped it out.
Second Time - Light reloads with stiff recoil spring. Overall length was a bit long so some engagement of rifling keep the slide from closing. Forward assist worked here.
Take it to a smith... if you don't want to FAFO.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2024 10:01 PM (cOq4q)
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Particle are waves & waves are particles?
Some hippie in the 1960s had it figured out.
It's all vibes, maan!
Some hippie in the 1960s had it figured out.
It's all vibes, maan!
Posted by: mindful webworker - it's Science! at April 07, 2024 10:03 PM (YdVca)
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at April 07, 2024 10:04 PM (qPw5n)
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306 Anyone in Ohio know Vance Outdoors? I ordered a bunch of 30 SC ammo from them bc it was really cheap and now their website is down and I'm getting worried.
I bought a revolver from them a few years back. As far as I know they are a solid company. Probably just coincidence.
I bought a revolver from them a few years back. As far as I know they are a solid company. Probably just coincidence.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at April 07, 2024 10:18 PM (Pcf7q)
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Gun guy was very foolish. He carries a gun but does not know the law. That makes for a night in jail.
Posted by: MikeCLT at April 07, 2024 10:18 PM (FO8do)
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Bottom Line Up Front: Driver was wrong six ways from Sunday, should have just driven away.....As for the "description" of the firearm, it was black, so pretty much like 99.9% of all firearms?, so, I really couldn't take that as reliable eyewitness account...Life lesson, don't be an asshole...
Posted by: Sua Sponte at April 08, 2024 11:41 AM (VAFKP)
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1) Gun Guy is an idiot.
2) Stuck eject/chambering? Drop mag. Jam something in the weapon so it cannot come into battery and get it to a smith. The bad news is driving around with a loaded weapon on the way to the smith can get you in trouble w/o a ccw permit.
2) Stuck eject/chambering? Drop mag. Jam something in the weapon so it cannot come into battery and get it to a smith. The bad news is driving around with a loaded weapon on the way to the smith can get you in trouble w/o a ccw permit.
Posted by: Bonzo at April 08, 2024 02:49 PM (EBbHR)
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