Is Judge Aileen Cannon Going to Throw Out the Charges of Illegal Retention of Classified Documents Based Upon the DOJ's "Selective Prosecution"?<br>Update: Nope. Motion Denied.

Is Judge Aileen Cannon Going to Throw Out the Charges of Illegal Retention of Classified Documents Based Upon the DOJ's "Selective Prosecution"?
Update: Nope. Motion Denied.

What terrible timing for me.

@Breaking911
·
42s
BREAKING: Former President Trump's request to dismiss charges in classified documents case rejected by Florida judge

I did say, "I'm skeptical." Thanks to weft-cut loop.

There was a hearing in the Trump documents case.

Former President Donald Trump and his lawyers are in court trying to convince a federal judge in Florida Thursday to dismiss special counsel Jack Smith's classified documents case against him.
Judge Aileen Cannon is hearing arguments on two motions filed by Trump, one that says the former president is shielded from prosecution by a federal recordkeeping law, and another that claims one of the charges presents numerous open legal questions.
It's the second hearing in as many weeks when Trump's team and prosecutors in Smith's office are facing each other in Cannon's courtroom.
The first half of the hearing addressed the Trump motion that argued the statute under which he's been charged is unconstitutionally vague.
One of Judge Cannon's main concerns seemed to be whether this motion is premature, and she pointed out that "declaring a statute unconstitutionally vague is an extraordinary step."
"Why are we having this as applied discussion now given the chance of disputed facts," she asked. She pointed out that the superseding indictment does not take the position that Trump's documents were personal, and Trump is now claiming that he had deemed them personal records before he left office.

I think what she's saying is why are we debating the law, when we can have a determination on the facts, and if the facts say the documents are indeed personal, then we do not need to rule on whether the law is unconstitutional or not.

Cannon was also fixated on the timeline of when Trump's alleged lawful retention of the documents was complete, asking whether that was on Jan. 20, 2021. She explained that a theory in the indictment is that Trump's possession of the documents was authorized while he was president, but his possession became unauthorized the moment the presidency ended. She asked Trump's attorney, "When does it become unauthorized?
Trump lawyer Emil Bove replied that charges under Statute 793 of the Espionage Act should be dismissed because the government cannot establish his lack of authorization. Trump's very removal of the records constituted an act of designating them to be personal records, he argued.
Trump's lawyers and the prosecutors for the special counsel's office argued over the meaning of "unauthorized" and how it should be applied. Judge Cannon seemed to defend the prosecution's use of dictionary definitions of the term in their motions. She asked Bove, "If I deny your motion, how would you put forward jury instructions on the definition of unauthorized?"
...
In addition, he said it was clear Trump knew it was illegal to handle classified documents because of comments he has made about Hillary Clinton. While she was secretary of state, she used a private email server, and during her presidential campaign, the FBI examined whether classified information was mishandled, improperly stored or transmitted on her personal email server. The bureau found no charges were appropriate.

Note that-- the prosecution is bringing up the non-prosecution of Hillary Clinton as a reason to prosecute Trump.

...
In one of several motions to dismiss filed late last month, Trump argued that the case should be tossed because as president, he had "unreviewable discretion" to make any document personal in nature. His attorneys contend that the Presidential Records Act "preclude[d] judicial review" over his recordkeeping.
"President Trump was still the President of the United States when, for example, many of the documents at issue were packed (presumably by the GSA), transported, and delivered to Mar-A-Lago," Trump's team argued in its filing. Past precedent should have prevented prosecutors from opening a criminal investigation in the first place, they said, which would also disqualify the obstruction charges he faces.

So that's CBS "News," painting the best possible case for Jack Smith.

But Julie Kelly reports the judge had some very pointed questions for Very Special Prosecutor Jack Smith. Which CBS "News" apparently did not think worth mentioning.

Things like the judge repeatedly invoking the phrase, "selective prosecution," and also noting that documents become illegal to retain when a president or vice-president leaves office.

Julie Kelly
@julie_kelly2

NEW: From FLA courthouse in Trump's classified documents case with a prediction.
Robert Hur report and testimony is the biggest elephant in the room. The term "arbitrary enforcement" used frequently by both the defense and Judge Aileen Cannon.
Cannon hammered the fact no former president or vice president has been charged under Espionage Act for taking and keeping classified records including national defense information--which represents 32 counts against Trump in Jack Smith's indictment.
Prediction: Cannon won't dismiss the case based on the motions debated today--vagueness of Espionage Act and protection under the Presidential Records Act.
But it's very likely she will dismiss the case based on selective prosecution, a motion still pending before her.

Julie Kelly
@julie_kelly2
Without saying so directly, what Judge Cannon suggested is that any former president or vice president who took unauthorized records and failed to return them to the proper authority committed a crime the day he left office.
Also important to note that Judge Cannon, who is pretty measured in comparison to most judges, made these points in a rather heated fashion. She is very aware of the double standard at play in the non-prosecution of Joe Biden.

I'm skeptical. Jack Smith will claim that the DOJ did, eventually, appoint a special prosecutor to look into Biden's illegal retention of classified documents. He just gave Biden a pass on the proven crime because Biden will Plead Senility.

But then, the judge does note the crime occurred the day Biden left office. Present-day senility does not erase the past-day criminal state of mind. Biden knew what he was doing was illegal -- he called the documents "classified" when he said he "found the classified stuff" in his basement -- and he did it anyway.

In more Coupist Lawfare news, Soros DA Alvin Bragg's insane case against Trump in basketcase shithole New York City will be delayed because Bragg says he's discovered 73,000 pages of new documents and he has to search them for MOAR CRIMES.

The trial was slated for March 25 but will now be delayed.

Ed Morrissey wonders why Bragg would attempt to delay the trial:

This is curious. The new documents came from the DoJ, but this is an old case for them. They looked into the alleged hush-money payments as a potential crime a couple of years ago and declined to pursue the campaign-finance case, for good reason. They tried John Edwards in almost exactly the same situation and got an embarrassing loss for their trouble.
It doesn't sound credible that Bragg has only now gotten a look at these documents.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:13 PM

Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1 st

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 14, 2024 05:13 PM (DRSnL)

2 It's possible.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 14, 2024 05:14 PM (QNSds)

3 73 thousand pages of "evidence" regarding a payoff to Stormy Daniels ? WTF ? One might think this stuff is being manufactured

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:16 PM (Akjoo)

4 Just here to congratulate Halfrican on his prescience.

I nominate Halfrican for Willow part 2.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Anti-Marxist, buy ammo at March 14, 2024 05:16 PM (xcxpd)

5 Our judicial system: As, or less, credible than pro wrestling?

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at March 14, 2024 05:16 PM (OUMaO)

6 I got the magic. BLACK MAGIC.

Or half black magic. YMMV.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at March 14, 2024 05:17 PM (YR5Xh)

7 You say arbitrary, I say selective.

Posted by: huerfano at March 14, 2024 05:17 PM (qeiBW)

8 Aileen Dover

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 14, 2024 05:18 PM (NtVYv)

9 Mike Pence had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
Hillary Clinton had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
Joe Biden had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
D.J.Trump had documents he was authorized to have legally.
Prosecution. FBI RAID at Mar-a-Lago.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, home of the $22 burrito at March 14, 2024 05:18 PM (MeG8a)

10 Maybe we got a Judge with a brain ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 14, 2024 05:18 PM (NtVYv)

11 Either that or ace is a racist and doesn’t want me to comment on a hours old hundreds of comments thread.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at March 14, 2024 05:19 PM (YR5Xh)

12 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert at March 14, 2024 05:19 PM (8HPDt)

13 None of the rules apply because Trump said pussy.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 14, 2024 05:19 PM (sfObP)

14 Test

Posted by: Jewells45fuckcancer at March 14, 2024 05:19 PM (iF0sF)

15
I'm just waiting for the Trump team to subpoena Jack Smiths phone records and find Monica Lewinksy visiting him nightly between 3:00 am and 3:07 am.

These guys and girls are all so dirty it's amazing they can point fingers at anyone.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 14, 2024 05:20 PM (RKVpM)

16 Ed Morrissey wonders why Bragg would attempt to delay the trial:

Edwards was a Democrat so he got a pass. Trump in New York City? Fuhgeddaboudit.

Posted by: WisRich at March 14, 2024 05:20 PM (G0vdT)

17 Bragg is fucking someone in the office and needs to cover it up before the trial begins.

Posted by: Montec at March 14, 2024 05:20 PM (4+s9S)

18 I thought it was Port Au Prince City.

Posted by: fd at March 14, 2024 05:20 PM (vFG9F)

19 I'm hoping this selective prosecution thing becomes a trend. While I'd like true and fair application of the law, I'll take improper application as long as it's consistent, regardless of the accused's demographics. I posted a similar issue DU was freaking out about last week:

Dangerous precedent: Charges Against Two White Nationalists Are Dismissed as 'Selective Prosecution'.A federal judge on Wednesday dismissed riot charges against two members of a neo-Nazi street gang who had attacked counterprotesters at several pro-Trump rallies in California in 2017, saying that the government had behaved improperly by neglecting to bring charges against left-wing activists who had also acted violently at the same events.

While Judge Carney acknowledged that he found the ideas that the movement promoted “reprehensible,” he also said it was “constitutionally impermissible” to bring charges against one group, but not the other, based on politics alone.

You can imagine the outcry of California Lefties lol

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 14, 2024 05:20 PM (JCZqz)

20 Democrats have made laws fungible. But only when it suits them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 14, 2024 05:20 PM (Q4IgG)

21 Stephen Green: Woke Sonja Looks Like Something Red Sonja Wouldn't Hesitate to Kill

https://tinyurl.com/62fybvxf

Via, uh...Stephen Green. At Instapundit.

Scroll down to see the poster art. Just...kind of ridiculous.

Posted by: Robert at March 14, 2024 05:20 PM (8HPDt)

22 Or should that be New Port Au Prince City?

Posted by: fd at March 14, 2024 05:21 PM (vFG9F)

23 16 Ed Morrissey wonders why Bragg would attempt to delay the trial:

He wants it closer to the election ?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:21 PM (Akjoo)

24 9 Mike Pence had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
Hillary Clinton had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
Joe Biden had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
D.J.Trump had documents he was authorized to have legally.
Prosecution. FBI RAID at Mar-a-Lago.
________

Norms restored.

Posted by: National Review at March 14, 2024 05:21 PM (APVL9)

25 Come on Aileen !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 14, 2024 05:21 PM (NtVYv)

26 > In addition, he said it was clear Trump knew it was illegal to handle classified documents because of comments he has made about Hillary Clinton.

SHE. WAS. SecState.

She had no declassification authority.

Additionally, she clearly evaded proper classified document handling protocols by having an off the books server maintained and housed by people who had no business handling classified docs.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 14, 2024 05:22 PM (Odg76)

27 Barky's records are sealed for another 5 years or so.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 05:22 PM (6ZY4c)

28 What is fine and unremarked about for any other president is illegal for Trump. The Orange Man statute.

Posted by: steevy at March 14, 2024 05:22 PM (FQmDC)

29 Hillary Clinton was getting classified documents faxed to her residence from her "insiders" in the State Dept, and they stripped off the "Classified" headers before they sent them to Hillary.
And this was clearly a crime and a conspiracy to evade National Security laws. Hillary was NOT the President, who DOES have authority to de-classify documents based on his own judgement and decisions. The Secretary of State does not. And she stored them on an unsecured server, which was probably hacked into by Russian and Chinese Intel operators.
No prosecution. HUH??

And Alvin Braggs is a stupid douchebag.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at March 14, 2024 05:22 PM (vcOmj)

30 Any port in a Stormy? This stiff writes itself. Who needs AI?

Posted by: 80's music fan at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM (as3uC)

31 That's just that Podunk state of Florida!

Posted by: The Lawfare State of New York at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM (krQz2)

32 I am going to predict that the 73k pages came from the RNC.

Posted by: Jamaica at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM (IG7T0)

33 and also noting that documents become illegal to retain when a president or vice-president leaves office.

Ignoring the VP part, I don't buy this for a second. Every president has retained notes on confidential information. If post-presidency triggers an imaginary clause in the records acts, then every fucking one could have been prosecuted. Which is just stupid on its face.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM (IG4Id)

34 Scroll down to see the poster art. Just...kind of ridiculous
_____

The actress looks like she may be only 105 lbs, soaking wet.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM (APVL9)

35 Note, a Special Counsel was hired BEFORE any charges were filed.

In other words, he was hired specifically to go after Trump... so how is that NOT selective Prosecution?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:24 PM (xaFKb)

36 This stiff writes itself. Who needs AI?
Posted by: 80's music fan at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM (as3uC)
---
Apparently, it doesn't spell itself.

Posted by: Axeman at March 14, 2024 05:24 PM (krQz2)

37 Note about Red Sonja , she was never a Robert E Howard Conan character. She was brought into the Conan Hyborian age by Marvel comics. Loosely based on a character in one of Howard's historical fiction stories about the Siege of Vienna.

Posted by: steevy at March 14, 2024 05:24 PM (FQmDC)

38 30 Any port in a Stormy? This stiff writes itself. Who needs AI

Autocorrect? Where were you when I needed you?

Posted by: 80's music fan at March 14, 2024 05:24 PM (as3uC)

39 Who wants to forever be known as the partisan judge who convicted a front-running candidate?

Yeah, I get it, plenty would jump at the chance, bit history will not be kind.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at March 14, 2024 05:24 PM (DsA2n)

40 Ignoring the VP part, I don't buy this for a second. Every president has retained notes on confidential information. If post-presidency triggers an imaginary clause in the records acts, then every fucking one could have been prosecuted. Which is just stupid on its face.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

A lot of that "stuff" ends up in Presidential Libraries, in file cabinets that are only available to "scholarly researchers".

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at March 14, 2024 05:24 PM (vcOmj)

41 32 I am going to predict that the 73k pages came from the RNC.
______

From John McCain's garage.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 14, 2024 05:25 PM (APVL9)

42 Note, a Special Counsel was hired BEFORE any charges were filed.

In other words, he was hired specifically to go after Trump... so how is that NOT selective Prosecution?
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:24 PM (xaFKb)
---
They ignored that with the more legit appointment of Mueller, though.

They're supposed to be investigating a crime, not a person in search of a crime.

Posted by: Axeman at March 14, 2024 05:25 PM (krQz2)

43 I am going to predict that the 73k pages came from the RNC.
______

From John McCain's garage.
Posted by: Chuck Martel

He's still dead, I think.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at March 14, 2024 05:25 PM (vcOmj)

44 Yeah, I get it, plenty would jump at the chance, bit history will not be kind.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at March 14, 2024 05:24 PM (DsA2n

Not when we rewrite it

Posted by: Historians who rated the Presidents and put Biden at 22 and Trump last at March 14, 2024 05:25 PM (Akjoo)

45 I am going to predict that the 73k pages came from the RNC.

Posted by: Jamaica at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM (IG7T0)

-------------

Out: Montezuma's revenge.
In: Ronna Romney's revenge.

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (8Skhk)

46 Mike Pence had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
Hillary Clinton had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
Joe Biden had documents he shouldn't have had legally. No prosecution.
D.J.Trump had documents he was authorized to have legally.
Prosecution. FBI RAID at Mar-a-Lago.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, home of the $22 burrito at March 14, 2024 05:18 PM (MeG8a)

But don't worry! They're just going after ORANGE MAN BAD, not you, Average Citizen!

Posted by: pookysgirl should not need a sarc tag at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (dtlDP)

47 32 I am going to predict that the 73k pages came from the RNC.
Posted by: Jamaica at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM (IG7T0)
----------

Which leads to me to ask: What possibly can be in ADDITIONAL 73,000 pages of documents regarding a two-bit stripper.

Posted by: WisRich at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (G0vdT)

48 Trump kept documents that implicated the coup and deep state members.

They had to get them back.

Posted by: polynikes at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (MNhXM)

49 If this is so, the loons at democrat underground will be most hilarious. It will be another Merry Fitzmas fizzle.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (17s+e)

50 They're supposed to be investigating a crime, not a person in search of a crime.
Posted by: Axeman

Show me the man, and I will show you the crime ---

Stuff that Joe Stalin probably said...in Russian.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (vcOmj)

51 I owe Eric Idle a quarter. Stormy, stiff, any port in a Stormy. Nundge, nudge, wink, wink.

Posted by: 80's music fan at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (as3uC)

52 As The Third World Turns

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (qUkBO)

53
Maybe it's not Monica Lewinsky who visits Jack Smith nightly for seven minutes, but Dylan Mulvaney.

All I know is the finger pointers are getting fvcked over pretty thoroughly. It's probably Jack's turn.

Some shady shit went down in Europe. Somebody knows the details. I'm sure George Soros knows.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (RKVpM)

54 How about Ronna Romney?

Posted by: Jamaica at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (IG7T0)

55 A President's power, in regards to classification, is plenary. As President, Trump could wave his hand at a room full of documents and declare them declassified and they would be. That's a power of a President. It is not a power of a Vice President or of a Secretary of State.

The Trump case is crap and throwing in VP Biden and SOS Hillary is comparing apples to dog shit.

Posted by: geoffb at March 14, 2024 05:27 PM (r//c2)

56 I'm thinking it would be better for Trump if the judge didn't throw out the Florida case. Having two federal cases at once is throwing a wrench into Smith's goal of starting the DC case as fast as he can, which is where Trump is in more jeopardy because of the jury pool.

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 14, 2024 05:27 PM (xPl2J)

57 Show me the man, and I will show you the crime ---

Stuff that Joe Stalin probably said...in Russian.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (vcOmj)
---
Actually Berea did say that.

Posted by: Axeman at March 14, 2024 05:27 PM (krQz2)

58 From John McCain's garage.
Posted by: Chuck Martel

He's still dead, I think.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at March 14, 2024 05:25 PM (vcOmj)

-------------

You're mocking the man while his funeral isn't even over yet?

/That's cold ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:28 PM (8Skhk)

59
35 Note, a Special Counsel was hired BEFORE any charges were filed.

Comrade please
Lavrenti Beria

Posted by: steevy at March 14, 2024 05:29 PM (FQmDC)

60 WHATABOUTISM!

Posted by: Axeman at March 14, 2024 05:29 PM (krQz2)

61 If the people prosecuting alleged criminals are themselves actual criminals...

Posted by: davidt at March 14, 2024 05:29 PM (SYTee)

62 The answer to Bragg's behavior is pretty simple.

There once was a court jester who the king got sick of and decided to cut off his head. The jester said, "If you give me one month, I can teach your prize horse to sing!" The king thought, heck, what is the downside? It's probably bullhshit, but what if he can do it?

So, the jester was placed in the stable with the horse. The Jester's friend asked him, can you really make the horse sing? He answered, 'Probably not. But in a month the king might die, I might escape, or maybe I can even make the horse sing!"

Bragg doesn't have a case. Rather than have the public cut his head off for wasting everyone's time, he "finds" more documents to review. Will he find anything? Probably not. But Trump could die, something else might change, or he might make the horse sing.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at March 14, 2024 05:29 PM (mvURQ)

63 This is what happens when you get trials out of DC and NY

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:30 PM (Akjoo)

64
I am going to predict that the 73k pages came from the RNC.

Posted by: Jamaica at March 14, 2024 05:23 PM

Delivered by FTD with a $5,000 floral arrangement?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 14, 2024 05:30 PM (RKVpM)

65 From John McCain's garage.
Posted by: Chuck Martel

He's still dead, I think.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at March 14, 2024 05:25 PM (vcOmj)
---

That would be the end of his funeral if he wasn't.

Posted by: Axeman at March 14, 2024 05:30 PM (krQz2)

66 A lot to read, will be back

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 05:30 PM (fwDg9)

67 Giant farting sound

@Breaking911
·
42s
BREAKING: Former President Trump's request to dismiss charges in classified documents case rejected by Florida judge

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM (IG4Id)

68 Also Trump is guilty of "something" because of the audio [IIRC] of him saying something like "look at this -- Top Secret" [that was probably just the file folder] while Joey showed literal Top Secret contents to his hagiographer and that's fine.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM (2yu8s)

69 You're mocking the man while his funeral isn't even over yet?

/That's cold ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:28 PM (8Skhk)
-------------

Rumor has it he was laid in his coffin with a picture of Donald Trump, a copy of Moby Dick, and with his thumb pointing down.

Posted by: WisRich at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM (G0vdT)

70 BREAKING: Former President Trump's request to dismiss charges in classified documents case rejected by Florida judge
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM (IG4Id)

Well, Damn

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM (Akjoo)

71 Didn't Trump also issue some EO on his way out that basically said "whatever I take is now declassified"?

If Trump ever gets another bite at the apple, he just needs to basically pardon everyone he ever came in contact with his entire life (including himself) and formally declassify everything he ever handled.

As far as I know, A Sec of State like Hillary doesn't have the same declassification authority the President does. But why on Earth would they want to inject that because it was textbook mishandling of classified material and zero charges.

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM (wMRY8)

72 Simple question, has there ever been anyone, in the history of this country, who has been prosecuted in so many jurisdictions at once, as Trump?

How can he defend himself, or face his accusers, with so many court cases going on at once?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (xaFKb)

73 "But then, the judge does note the crime occurred the day Biden left office. "

Technically, the crime occurred the day that Biden removed the classified documents from an approved facility to his private residence. That may have coincided with the end of his term as VP, but the act of removing them is where he broke the law.

If Biden started stuffing his garage full of classified docs a year into his term as VP, he broke the law then while he was still in office.

Posted by: Semper Why at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (nKug+)

74 More context:

@TomFitton
Judge Cannon just denied for now ("without prejudice") President Trump's request to dismiss charges based on "unconstitutional vagueness." The Court ruled Trump might be able to raise the issue again later in the proceedings:

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (IG4Id)

75 why would Bragg delay the trial ??

Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (V13WU)

76 The 73k are all about RNC shit posting about Trump's deal and sabotaging candidates and other assorted shit those fuckers have been up to. Bragg put on his Hoover hat and set himself to suck.

Posted by: Jamaica at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM (IG7T0)

77 You will NEVER convince a progressive that Trump is not literally satan.

Trump could save their children from a house fire and they would still hate him.

There is NOTHING, NOTHING that will change their point of view.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM (sfObP)

78 This is what happens when you get trials out of DC and NY
Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:30 PM (Akjoo)
---
Judges outside of NY and DC: YGTBFKMWTS.

Trump keeps losing the "90 felonies!" that made him infamous.

Posted by: Axeman at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM (krQz2)

79 75 why would Bragg delay the trial ??
Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (V13WU)

To get the trial closer to the election ?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM (Akjoo)

80 Also Trump is guilty of "something" because of the audio [IIRC] of him saying something like "look at this -- Top Secret" [that was probably just the file folder] while Joey showed literal Top Secret contents to his hagiographer and that's fine.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s)

____

Honestly though, I will never understand why Trump doesn't get that he's constantly being recorded. You would think someone that had a reality TV show understood he's always on a hot mic.

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM (wMRY8)

81 So much bullshit to fill every hour of every day. Remember when Trump colluded with Russia to steal an election? No?

Posted by: ... at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM (lX8VI)

82 If Trump ever gets another bite at the apple, he just needs to basically pardon everyone he ever came in contact with his entire life (including himself) and formally declassify everything he ever handled.

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM

Pretty sure that joe biden has already done that for him, his family and most of his business associates. All that needs to be done is for him to sign them and put them in the public register on his way out in January 2025.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 14, 2024 05:34 PM (QNSds)

83 >>>18 I thought it was Port Au Prince City.

ha-HA, ha-HA!

Posted by: Will Smith at March 14, 2024 05:34 PM (KRtlO)

84 I feel every morning I looking at the mirror I see my white face knowing that I being targeted by my government because of my race. I think climate change will be far from people worries because we headed toward becoming Haiti. We need to pray.

Posted by: Grandpa bullet point at March 14, 2024 05:34 PM (s9TOl)

85 If Biden started stuffing his garage full of classified docs a year into his term as VP, he broke the law then while he was still in office.
Posted by: Semper Why at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (nKug+)

They found stuff from when he was a SENATOR.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:34 PM (xaFKb)

86 Simple question, has there ever been anyone, in the history of this country, who has been prosecuted in so many jurisdictions at once, as Trump?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (xaFKb)
---
He is Emmanuel Goldstein.

Posted by: Axeman at March 14, 2024 05:35 PM (krQz2)

87 The big problem to me is Barky holding millions of documents in a unsecured warehouse in Chicago awaiting his library extravaganza building which is probably no more any further than it was 3 years ago.

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 05:35 PM (fwDg9)

88 why would Bragg delay the trial ??
Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (V13WU)

To get the trial closer to the election ?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM

Which begs the question, what if Trump wins? Constitutional crisis here we come.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 14, 2024 05:35 PM (QNSds)

89 Pretty sure that joe biden has already done that for him, his family and most of his business associates. All that needs to be done is for him to sign them and put them in the public register on his way out in January 2025.
Posted by: Mister Scot
___

I guess that makes Biden smarter than Trump. It was so obvious, especially after J6, that everyone was going to be dragged through the legal ringer. But he never got around to it.

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:35 PM (wMRY8)

90 Honestly though, I will never understand why Trump doesn't get that he's constantly being recorded. You would think someone that had a reality TV show understood he's always on a hot mic.
Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM (wMRY

Pretty funny how Attorney Client privilege, and Executive Privilege, go out the window for Trump.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:36 PM (xaFKb)

91 Posted by: nurse ratched at March 14, 2024 05:33 PM (sfObP)

Yeah. Well. Fuck those assholes. I’m over leftists and liberals. They vote for the complete destruction and ruination of the West and America specifically.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at March 14, 2024 05:36 PM (YR5Xh)

92 Bragg doesn't have a case. Rather than have the public cut his head off for wasting everyone's time, he "finds" more documents to review. Will he find anything? Probably not. But Trump could die, something else might change, or he might make the horse sing.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at March 14, 2024 05:29 PM (mvURQ)

--------------

Heh Nice analogy, which will allow me to remember the fable.

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:38 PM (8Skhk)

93 They found stuff from when he was a SENATOR.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:34 PM (xaFKb)
==================
Papers he couldn't legally possess even then.

Presumably he removed them from a classified briefing, probably from a scif, and snuck them to his office. A crime to remove, a crime to possess and a crime to keep in his garage.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 05:38 PM (IIZXh)

94 I wish the Judge had taken a couple of weeks for her decision on this

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:38 PM (Akjoo)

95 oh, the sad update...

Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 05:38 PM (V13WU)

96 Any chance that PDT could actually win this case?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 05:39 PM (6ZY4c)

97 96 Any chance that PDT could actually win this case?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 05:39 PM (6ZY4c)

Not optimistic

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:39 PM (Akjoo)

98 Presumably he removed them from a classified briefing, probably from a scif, and snuck them to his office. A crime to remove, a crime to possess and a crime to keep in his garage.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 05:38 PM (IIZXh)

Then showed them to an author who was writing about him... so... knowledge of his crime, plus sharing of classified material...

He KNEW he had them, and KNEW they were classified, yet did not turn them back in.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:39 PM (xaFKb)

99 What terrible timing for me.
---
You'll get over it.

Or you could bring back Lamont.

Posted by: Axeman at March 14, 2024 05:40 PM (krQz2)

100 Did she rule on the Selective Prosecution? Does not sound like it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:41 PM (xaFKb)

101
(Biden)
They found stuff from when he was a SENATOR.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:34 PM

A Senate position he recently campaigned for in Pennsylvania. I did *not* have that on my Bingo card.

I'm slipping it appears.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 14, 2024 05:41 PM (RKVpM)

102 96 Any chance that PDT could actually win this case?
Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 05:39 PM (6ZY4c)

Not optimistic
Posted by: It's me donna
___

Trump on tape bragging that what he has is illegal? Its that 4D chess we've always been hearing about.

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:41 PM (wMRY8)

103 What terrible timing for me."

It may come up again

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 14, 2024 05:41 PM (NtVYv)

104 Presumably he removed them from a classified briefing, probably from a scif, and snuck them to his office.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 05:38 PM (IIZXh)
---
* lays a finger aside his nose *

Posted by: Sandy Burgler at March 14, 2024 05:42 PM (krQz2)

105 Seems like the presidential records act will have to be decided by SCOTUS? But Cannon is a disappointment. I'm sure she felt some pressure from The Powers That Be.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 14, 2024 05:42 PM (Cus5s)

106 >>> In addition, he said it was clear Trump knew it was illegal to handle classified documents because of comments he has made about Hillary Clinton. While she was secretary of state...

Ludicrous. Any authority Hillary may have had for holding anything classified flowed through POTUS. Trump was the actual with full power and authority of the Federal Guvment (Executive Brach). And I would go as far as saying that includes Supremacy and Sovereignty.
IOW -
POTUS can keel people for shits and giggles and Impeachement is the only remedy (or not be re-elected).

The fvcking Peoria Dog Catcher has no authority over POTUS...
But it is nice for the Prosecutors to argue that Hillary was de facto guilty of espionage.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 14, 2024 05:43 PM (cOq4q)

107 Yeah. Well. Fuck those assholes. I’m over leftists and liberals. They vote for the complete destruction and ruination of the West and America specifically.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at March

Problem is,
They comprise 40% of the country.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 14, 2024 05:43 PM (sfObP)

108 You're mocking the man while his funeral isn't even over yet?

/That's cold ...

The man died with two middle fingers extended. It's a miracle they could close the lid.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 14, 2024 05:43 PM (cf/0E)

109 William Conrad is a judge??

Posted by: dantesed at March 14, 2024 05:43 PM (88xKn)

110 But Cannon is a disappointment. I'm sure she felt some pressure from The Powers That Be.
Posted by: illiniwek

She might be suffering from Robert's Syndrome; split the baby to maintain some vain appearance of impartiality and Legacy of Dah Court.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (IG4Id)

111 The big problem to me is Barky holding millions of documents in a unsecured warehouse in Chicago awaiting his library extravaganza building which is probably no more any further than it was 3 years ago.

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 05:35 PM (fwDg9)

------------

Yeah, that treasonous asshole never comes up (phrasing)?

The Clinton Presidential Trailer Park & Massage Parlor >
The Obama Presidential Outhouse

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (zmr+E)

112 She might be suffering from Robert's Syndrome; split the baby to maintain some vain appearance of impartiality and Legacy of Dah Court.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (IG4Id)

Which is destroying any credibility the court system has left.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (xaFKb)

113 Ponder what will happen if a judge dismissed any case charging DJT, they will be shunned from Democrats society and no doubt will have their home protested at for some time

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (fwDg9)

114 I'd think there'd be some fauxcons who don't like Donald Trump but DO like the rule of law.

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (rWwta)

115 Selective prosecution is a tough argument. Essentially you're saying you did it but no one else is ever prosecuted for it. Judges have to make a lot of findings to show why the prosecutors are biased . Judges unfortunately like their jobs and even trump appointments don't like rocking the boat. My bet however is after hearing witnesses during the trial Cannon will dismiss the case.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 14, 2024 05:45 PM (CAwN0)

116 What terrible timing for me.

...

Maybe the judge's questions tell Trump's lawyers which direction to go though?

Posted by: TexasDan at March 14, 2024 05:45 PM (z/ifB)

117 speaking of rulings when is that Judge gonna rule on Fani and Loverboy ?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:46 PM (Akjoo)

118 He KNEW he had them, and KNEW they were classified, yet did not turn them back in.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:39 PM (xaFKb)
====================
Forgot about that. Any enlisted man would be serving 20 years.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (i/oCU)

119 I'd think there'd be some fauxcons who don't like Donald Trump but DO like the rule of law.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (rWwta)
******
Hatred of Trump trumps the rule of law.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (NpAcC)

120 @realDonaldTrump
32m
The things that took place at the Manhattan D.A.’s office, in conjunction with people from the DOJ put in charge of “getting TRUMP,” are truly a sight to behold. They illegally withheld thousands of pages of documents. Then you have the really shady “Pomerantz” issue, and wow, people have never seen anything like this one. This will make Fani and her “lover” look like small potatoes!!!

Posted by: IrishEi at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (5GDFY)

121 And that 40% controls the 1% of agitators.

We cannot win. If we sink to their level, we will certainly be prosecuted.

If we remain above it, we lose.

Until we are willing to say "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" we are doomed.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (sfObP)

122 Butterball Reiner is getting ready to threaten the judge.

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (rWwta)

123 At one point PDT said he knew it all. He was referring to all the information of the Clinton/ fbi cabal. I am going to take his saying this is illegal as having proof of what they had done to him.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (6ZY4c)

124 William Conrad is a judge??

Posted by: dantesed at March 14, 2024 05:43 PM (88xKn)

-------------

Wrong Cannon, it's Judge Dyan Cannon (AKA Whipper Cone on Ally McBeal).

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (zmr+E)

125 @TomFitton
Judge Cannon just denied for now ("without prejudice") President Trump's request to dismiss charges based on "unconstitutional vagueness." The Court ruled Trump might be able to raise the issue again later in the proceedings:
---
But wouldn't he have to develop evidence to support that?

I think, from what she said, is there was no case law or examples before her either way.
Judges always deny those.
But if Trump's team was listening, she told them what she will need to grant the motion.

Gonna be tricky though, getting DOJ officials to say, we never prosecute these.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 14, 2024 05:48 PM (yikga)

126 Selective prosecution is a tough argument. Essentially you're saying you did it but no one else is ever prosecuted for it. Judges have to make a lot of findings to show why the prosecutors are biased . Judges unfortunately like their jobs and even trump appointments don't like rocking the boat. My bet however is after hearing witnesses during the trial Cannon will dismiss the case.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 14, 2024 05:45 PM (CAwN0)
---
Remember when Bill Clinton perjured himself and the argument "NO ONE ever gets prosecuted for perjury!"?

Looks like Starr had a shot then.

Posted by: Sandy Burgler at March 14, 2024 05:48 PM (krQz2)

127 Show me the man, and I will show you the crime ---

Stuff that Joe Stalin probably said...in Russian.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at March 14, 2024 05:26 PM (vcOmj)

No man, no problem

-- V. I. Lenin

Posted by: Kindltot at March 14, 2024 05:49 PM (D7oie)

128 >>> speaking of rulings when is that Judge gonna rule on Fani and Loverboy ?
Posted by: It's me donna

Oh, that?
Everybody does that, nobody has been punished for it.
Cannot be selective.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 14, 2024 05:50 PM (cOq4q)

129 If Trump ever gets another bite at the apple, he just needs to basically pardon everyone he ever came in contact with his entire life (including himself) and formally declassify everything he ever handled.

As far as I know, A Sec of State like Hillary doesn't have the same declassification authority the President does. But why on Earth would they want to inject that because it was textbook mishandling of classified material and zero charges.
Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM (wMRY

———

The effect of this persecution is to force a President to declassify everything he touches. That’s the only way to shield himself from prosecution. Probably also pardon himself.

Hell it would probably be a good idea for a President Trump to issue a pardon to himself at the end of every day.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 14, 2024 05:50 PM (2fIO4)

130 But wouldn't he have to develop evidence to support that?

==

above : "Prediction: Cannon won't dismiss the case based on the motions debated today--vagueness of Espionage Act and protection under the Presidential Records Act.

But it's very likely she will dismiss the case based on selective prosecution, a motion still pending before her."

Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 05:51 PM (V13WU)

131 "As far as I know, A Sec of State like Hillary doesn't have the same declassification authority the President does."

This is correct. SecState does have some declassification authority, but it extends as a power of POTUS with restrictions. In short, SecState can declassify stuff but has to go through the procedures established at State. Same goes for all the other agency heads with original classification authority using their own procedures.

Posted by: Semper Why at March 14, 2024 05:52 PM (nKug+)

132
At one point PDT said he knew it all. He was referring to all the information of the Clinton/ fbi cabal. I am going to take his saying this is illegal as having proof of what they had done to him.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM

Hillary, in an email to the DNC admitted that if Trump wins, 'We're all gonna swing' or words very closely to that effect.

I'm going out on a limb here, but guessing she's not talking about a 'key party' where everyone goes home with someone other then their spouse.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 14, 2024 05:52 PM (RKVpM)

133 @126 Clinton never argued selective prosecution. Starr was the prosecutor and got the conviction. People do get convicted of perjury quite frequently.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 14, 2024 05:52 PM (CAwN0)

134 Gonna be tricky though, getting DOJ officials to say, we never prosecute these.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 14, 2024 05:48 PM (yikga)

Don't use DOJ statements... case records are public property.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:52 PM (xaFKb)

135 I'd think there'd be some fauxcons who don't like Donald Trump but DO like the rule of law.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (rWwta)
******
Hatred of Trump trumps the rule of law.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (NpAcC)

--------------

Derangement has no boundaries, and so perfectly dovetails with the Leftist Death Cult Ethos.

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:53 PM (zmr+E)

136 The american legal system at all levels is like the rest of the country.

Broke, corrupt and lacking even basic common sense when it comes to the simplest of issues.

Gnats on a dog's dick have better sense.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 14, 2024 05:53 PM (R/m4+)

137 speaking of rulings when is that Judge gonna rule on Fani and Loverboy ?
Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 05:46 PM (Akjoo)
******
Suppose to be by Friday.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 14, 2024 05:53 PM (NpAcC)

138 Hillary, in an email to the DNC admitted that if Trump wins, 'We're all gonna swing' or words very closely to that effect.

I'm going out on a limb here, but guessing she's not talking about a 'key party' where everyone goes home with someone other then their spouse.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at March 14, 2024 05:52 PM (RKVpM)

Yeah, this

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 14, 2024 05:53 PM (NtVYv)

139 Which begs the question, what if Trump wins? Constitutional crisis here we come.
Posted by: Mister Scott

I don't believe they will let him get to the oath of office.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM (IG4Id)

140 > If Trump ever gets another bite at the apple, he just needs to basically pardon everyone he ever came in contact with his entire life (including himself) and formally declassify everything he ever handled.
____________

I'm betting the deep state ignores him. Probably make another several attempts at impeachment or assassination.

We're way, way beyond anything even remotely "normal."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM (Q4IgG)

141 I think we on the right need to wake up to the very real, in fact likely possibility, that Trump will be found guilty on multiple charges throughout the country - by hook or by crook - by the time election day rolls around almost 8 months from today.

What do we do then? Does the SHTF then?

Posted by: Defenestratus at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM (EgAsg)

142 Have the Demoncrats ever denied that they're prosecuting Trump selectively?

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM (6z9Vj)

143 why in the world would Trump's lawyers attempt to declare " a statute unconstitutionally vague " ?? even the judge said it was "an extraordinary step." ? you know what ...never mind....

Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM (V13WU)

144 Do not expect the law to save us. We are so far down the tyranny road that we can't even see justice in the rearview mirror.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM (aD39U)

145 The effect of this persecution is to force a President to declassify everything he touches. That’s the only way to shield himself from prosecution. Probably also pardon himself.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken

____

And I'm firmly in the camp that I dont want anything "classified" anymore, anyway.

Open it all up.

During the Cold War, I understood this mentality, but the real enemy now is in the 10 mile square we call DC.

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:55 PM (wMRY8)

146 "Honestly though, I will never understand why Trump doesn't get that he's constantly being recorded. You would think someone that had a reality TV show understood he's always on a hot mic."

I don't think that's his problem. I think his problem stems from he's an outsider to government & politics. He doesn't know where the boundaries are, both legal and political. A lot of this crap is complicated enough that there is mandatory annual training to keep gov't employees from stepping across those boundaries. It's not simple and he's not used to it.

Posted by: Semper Why at March 14, 2024 05:56 PM (nKug+)

147 Have the Demoncrats ever denied that they're prosecuting Trump selectively?
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM (6z9Vj)

-------------------

Democrats want to save Haiti from becoming not just a shithole but a deadly shithole yet they are doing everything in their power to turn the US into same.

Posted by: Decaf at March 14, 2024 05:56 PM (unUNN)

148 I am ok with the act intact. Because in all likelihood all of them , and you too VP Cheney, kept tons of docs - all classified.

Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 05:56 PM (V13WU)

149 "Have the Demoncrats ever denied that they're prosecuting Trump selectively?"

Quite the opposite. They get electing promising to Get Trump. Dershowitz even wrote a book with the same name a few years back.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, home of the $26 burrito at March 14, 2024 05:57 PM (MeG8a)

150 If Trump ever gets another bite at the apple, he just needs to basically pardon everyone he ever came in contact with his entire life (including himself) and formally declassify everything he ever handled.
Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:31 PM (wMRY
===================
Or, and just raising some possible options he might have, he might take the Crassus approach, rename the Beltway as "the Appian Way", and crucify a few thousand DOJ/FBI/CIA/DIA types.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 05:57 PM (Fe+CB)

151 Hell it would probably be a good idea for a President Trump to issue a pardon to himself at the end of every day.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 14, 2024 05:50 PM (2fIO4)

------------

Heh, that would be some epic trolling & mockery.

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:57 PM (zmr+E)

152 why would Bragg delay the trial ??
Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 05:32 PM (V13WU)
_____________

One possibility: he knows he's on a loser, but wants to keep the issue alive into the election.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 14, 2024 05:57 PM (YqDXo)

153 Which begs the question, what if Trump wins? Constitutional crisis here we come.
Posted by: Mister Scott

I don't believe they will let him get to the oath of office.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM

That is what I am worried about. I understand that the election is many months away but right now Trump is leading in 9 out of 12 polls and biden's favoribility is sinking like a rock.

Desperate people generally do desperate things.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 14, 2024 05:57 PM (QNSds)

154 Dyan Cannon had some nice hooterage.

Posted by: Is it a boob thread yet? at March 14, 2024 05:58 PM (ZOAVo)

155 I have zero faith I would get a fair trail either.

Posted by: DOYLE at March 14, 2024 05:58 PM (Z8Yh2)

156 We have been getting thousands of Haitians a month for last 3 years

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 05:59 PM (fwDg9)

157 118 He KNEW he had them, and KNEW they were classified, yet did not turn them back in.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:39 PM (xaFKb)
====================
Forgot about that. Any enlisted man would be serving 20 years.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 05:47 PM (i/oCU)

Gen. Petraeus was pretty much crucified for showing a writer, some classified documents. Yes, he was Prosecuted.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 05:59 PM (xaFKb)

158 >>> Have the Demoncrats ever denied that they're prosecuting Trump selectively?
Posted by: Northernlurker

Many ran on it.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 14, 2024 06:00 PM (cOq4q)

159 Or, and just raising some possible options he might have, he might take the Crassus approach, rename the Beltway as "the Appian Way", and crucify a few thousand DOJ/FBI/CIA/DIA types.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 05:57 PM (Fe+CB)

-----------

"I am ~~Spartacus~~ Traitorous!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 06:00 PM (zmr+E)

160 Hillary, in an email to the DNC admitted that if Trump wins, 'We're all gonna swing' or words very closely to that effect.
___________________

Please, God, make it be so.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 14, 2024 06:00 PM (YqDXo)

161 based on how the Demofascists have treated the J6 political prisoners, it's pretty clear we are all headed for struggle sessions and re-education if the junta succeeds in stealing 2024.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 06:00 PM (Fe+CB)

162 Request to delay came from Trump, not Bragg. Bragg agreed.

Posted by: runner at March 14, 2024 06:01 PM (V13WU)

163 I suspect that had the Demoncrats responded rationally to Trump he may have governed as a moderate Democrat.

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 14, 2024 06:01 PM (6z9Vj)

164 And I'm firmly in the camp that I dont want anything "classified" anymore, anyway.

Open it all up.

During the Cold War, I understood this mentality, but the real enemy now is in the 10 mile square we call DC.
Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 05:55 PM (wMRY

A few years ago they accidentally declass'd some documents about the Marine Barracks bombing in 83... which told the real story off Iran's part in it.

It was out for about 3 days, then reclassified... you can't find it now anywhere.

Now, Iran is already an enemy... and any source or method would be 40 years old... yet.. they reclassified it because it made US look like crap... because we KNEW it was going to happen.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 06:02 PM (xaFKb)

165 I don't think that's his problem. I think his problem stems from he's an outsider to government & politics. He doesn't know where the boundaries are, both legal and political. A lot of this crap is complicated enough that there is mandatory annual training to keep gov't employees from stepping across those boundaries. It's not simple and he's not used to it.
Posted by: Semper Why

_____

I dont think anyone here would step on a rake as many times as Trump does.

Was there a good reason for him to brag in front of someone that what he had was classified and illegal for him to hold?

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 06:02 PM (wMRY8)

166 The Clinton Presidential Trailer Park & Massage Parlor >
The Obama Presidential ~~Outhouse~~ Bathhouse
Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 05:44 PM (zmr+E)

FIFY.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 14, 2024 06:02 PM (YqDXo)

167 I suspect that had the Demoncrats responded rationally to Trump he may have governed as a moderate Democrat.
Posted by: Northernlurker at March 14, 2024 06:01 PM (6z9Vj)
==============
in many ways, I think he still has that goal. His main domestic priority, though (my guess), is smaller federal government.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 14, 2024 06:03 PM (Fe+CB)

168 I don't believe they will let him get to the oath of office.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

*yeets shit everywhere*

*stomps feet*

This is what I've been saying for three years!

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 14, 2024 06:04 PM (sfObP)

169 I'm going out on a limb here, but guessing she's not talking about a 'key party' where everyone goes home with someone other then their spouse.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Those are my favorite!

Posted by: William C at March 14, 2024 06:04 PM (nIRE6)

170 Actually he had the right to possess said documents

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 14, 2024 06:05 PM (PXvVL)

171 My view, stated a few times is Trump wins the Marxists will try and start riots to screw his administration
The Marxists pull another Coup D'etat we are in for the Gulags to open

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 06:05 PM (fwDg9)

172 Blago, would you entertain my thoughts at 123?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 06:05 PM (6ZY4c)

173 How long does the Presidential Records Act extend? Ask Lyndon Banez Johnson whose boxes of classified documents are gathering dust at the LBJ Library in OhStink, TexAss.

Posted by: Marooned at March 14, 2024 06:06 PM (kt8QE)

174 We have been getting thousands of Haitians a month for last 3 years

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 05:59 PM

And we are not getting their best. I was stationed at GITMO back in 93 when the Haitians did their boat lift and they all tried to get to Florida. The Navy and Coast Guard rounded up tens of thousands of Haitians fleeing the country on boats, rafts and other floaty things and brought them to GITMO. The majority of them were infected with HIV and we put them in a tent city on the old airfield. After about a year we flew every single last one of them to Florida during the night. It was a mess.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 14, 2024 06:06 PM (QNSds)

175

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 14, 2024 06:06 PM (R/m4+)

176 "During the Cold War, I understood this mentality, but the real enemy now is in the 10 mile square we call DC."

No. Just... no.

I don't want to downplay the problems in DC right now, but this is not the way. The classification system exists for a reason and it would probably be a fatal mistake to just chuck all of it. It covers a lot of things that we as a country are going to need in the future. Things that need to be a surprise.

Posted by: Semper Why at March 14, 2024 06:06 PM (nKug+)

177 171 My view, stated a few times is Trump wins the Marxists will try and start riots to screw his administration
The Marxists pull another Coup D'etat we are in for the Gulags to open
Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 06:05 PM (fwDg9)

Dems are already saying that if Trump wins, they will ask the House not to seat his Electors...

You know... just like Trump asked which is somehow an insurrection.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 06:06 PM (xaFKb)

178 I saw one of them in cold case

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 14, 2024 06:07 PM (PXvVL)

179 Ace -

She only denied his motion on constitutional vagueness grounds. The motion on selective enforcement of the Presidential Records Act is still live and has not been ruled on.

Posted by: Stephen at March 14, 2024 06:07 PM (bNOZJ)

180 Do not expect the law to save us. We are so far down the tyranny road that we can't even see justice in the rearview mirror.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 14, 2024 05:54 PM (aD39U)

------------

Out: "We're not voting or suing our way out of this."
In: "They will no longer allow us to vote or sue our way out of this."

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 06:07 PM (zmr+E)

181 As stated, no President has ever had documents denied

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 06:07 PM (fwDg9)

182 172/123 - but did he Know it or just infer it?

Posted by: Kratwurst at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (nIRE6)

183 It was passed in 1979 so lbj would have beem dead for 6 years

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (PXvVL)

184 Disclose.tv @disclosetv 3h
JUST IN - American Airlines Boeing 777 is forced to make an emergency landing at LAX after a "mechanical problem" — Daily Mail

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (2yu8s)

185 Without saying so directly, what Judge Cannon suggested is that any former president or vice president who took unauthorized records and failed to return them to the proper authority committed a crime the day he left office.
_________

How does this not apply to *biden?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (Q4IgG)

186 They know that all of these cases aren't going to result in conviction so they want to keep them in process through the election.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (7oaOA)

187 "I dont think anyone here would step on a rake as many times as Trump does."

You're probably right.

Posted by: Semper Why at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (nKug+)

188 I don't want to downplay the problems in DC right now, but this is not the way. The classification system exists for a reason and it would probably be a fatal mistake to just chuck all of it. It covers a lot of things that we as a country are going to need in the future. Things that need to be a surprise.
Posted by: Semper Why at March 14, 2024 06:06 PM (nKug+)

The problem is not that we have a classified system, but how it is used. We still have classified documents about the Kennedy assassination. Our government uses the system to hide stuff from the Electorate... not just from our enemies.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (xaFKb)

189 184 Disclose.tv @disclosetv 3h
JUST IN - American Airlines Boeing 777 is forced to make an emergency landing at LAX after a "mechanical problem" — Daily Mail
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (2yu8s)

I'm starting to think sabotage

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 06:09 PM (Akjoo)

190 He returned the document in question

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 14, 2024 06:09 PM (PXvVL)

191 Talked to my lib neighbor about why he's moving out of state, which he said he would never do. His answer was that during COVID, he started thinking about how authoritarian the government had become, but ultimately his politics kept him from really making that an issue. He figured being on the right "side" of the politics his family would be OK. The. He started watching the AG prosecute Trump for what he termed a "non crime", go after people who didn't go "green", beef producers and down the line. His epiphany was realizing these people have no boundaries and if they can go after Trump by corrupting the law and judiciary they could do it to anyone. That and the massive illegal immigration influx were the final straws.

I saw this morning the number one state that people are leaving is NY, and that rate has only accelerated.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 14, 2024 06:09 PM (82U+n)

192 Disclose.tv @disclosetv 3h
JUST IN - American Airlines Boeing 777 is forced to make an emergency landing at LAX after a "mechanical problem" — Daily Mail
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (2yu8s)
......

What fell off this time?

Posted by: wth at March 14, 2024 06:10 PM (v0R5T)

193 Kratwurst, he knew it. Not wishful thinking but there is enough documented evidence to prove it.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 06:10 PM (6ZY4c)

194 The irony of the rake thing.

Posted by: DOYLE at March 14, 2024 06:11 PM (Z8Yh2)

195 185 Without saying so directly, what Judge Cannon suggested is that any former president or vice president who took unauthorized records and failed to return them to the proper authority committed a crime the day he left office.
_________

How does this not apply to *biden?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (Q4IgG)

Because banana republic.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 14, 2024 06:11 PM (rJ7Hd)

196 He wants to delay the trial because they want it hanging over Trump's head for their idiot voters, but understand that actually finding him guilty in this laughable case would simply fuel his support.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at March 14, 2024 06:12 PM (AjL/0)

197 I don't want to downplay the problems in DC right now, but this is not the way. The classification system exists for a reason and it would probably be a fatal mistake to just chuck all of it. It covers a lot of things that we as a country are going to need in the future. Things that need to be a surprise.
Posted by: Semper Why

____

I respectfully disagree. I'm far more afraid of what my own government is doing in secret than any foreign power.

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 06:12 PM (wMRY8)

198 >>> 188 I don't want to downplay the problems in DC right now, but this is not the way. The classification system exists for a reason and it would probably be a fatal mistake to just chuck all of it. It covers a lot of things that we as a country are going to need in the future. Things that need to be a surprise.
Posted by: Semper Why at March 14, 2024 06:06 PM (nKug+)

The problem is not that we have a classified system, but how it is used. We still have classified documents about the Kennedy assassination. Our government uses the system to hide stuff from the Electorate... not just from our enemies.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (xaFKb)

istr an incident in late WWII where the Brits had an oopsie and sank a US ship practicing for D-Day, killing 700+ sailors, which was classified for 70-odd years. Why? Probably because some fcknugget retard fourth son of a "noble" caused the mistake.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 14, 2024 06:13 PM (llON8)

199 No. Just... no.

I don't want to downplay the problems in DC right now, but this is not the way. The classification system exists for a reason and it would probably be a fatal mistake to just chuck all of it.

This is why we still get surveilled by our own damn government, using our own tax dollars.

Big Gov doesn't hold any secrets so damn great that the rest of us need beaten over the head with them, for our own good.

The classification system exists to allow DC to piss down our backs and tell us its raining.

Posted by: Stop It at March 14, 2024 06:13 PM (InBPA)

200 Remember when Bill Clinton perjured himself and the argument "NO ONE ever gets prosecuted for perjury!"?

Looks like Starr had a shot then.
Posted by: Sandy Burgler

There is case law Re: Willam Jefferson Clinton from the DC Circuit regarding recordings he made while president. Judge said "umm the President gets to decide what is personal or official".

Posted by: Miklos recalls that Willie kept the cassettes in his "sock drawer" at March 14, 2024 06:13 PM (v+0wn)

201 I think the plan is for a couple more GOP reps to resign, the speakership goes to Hakeem, soon.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, home of the $26 burrito at March 14, 2024 06:13 PM (MeG8a)

202 Unfortunately, trying to enlist my Congressman to take up my draft bill that requires government agencies to turn over requested documents on request from oversight committees has fallen on deaf ears.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 14, 2024 06:14 PM (6ZY4c)

203 I respectfully disagree. I'm far more afraid of what my own government is doing in secret than any foreign power.

Posted by: Blago at March 14, 2024 06:12 PM

Kind of leaning that way myself, but we can't just abandon everything that is classified. Weapons systems capabilities and the like need to stay classified. All of the other bull$hit needs some serious outside review, especially the patriot act spying stuff.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 14, 2024 06:14 PM (QNSds)

204 >>> 199
==
This is why we still get surveilled by our own damn government, using our own tax dollars.

Big Gov doesn't hold any secrets so damn great that the rest of us need beaten over the head with them, for our own good.

The classification system exists to allow DC to piss down our backs and tell us its raining.
Posted by: Stop It at March 14, 2024 06:13 PM (InBPA)

Don't be silly. MI6 spies on US citizens, and the CIA spies on Canadians, and.....

Posted by: Five Eyes at March 14, 2024 06:14 PM (llON8)

205 I respectfully disagree. I'm far more afraid of what my own government is doing in secret than any foreign power.

I do not respectfully disagree. I am tired ... long damn past tired ... of being told to keep my head down because those above me know better. Even when I see, every day, they don't have a fucking clue.

Posted by: Stop It at March 14, 2024 06:14 PM (InBPA)

206 Disclose.tv @disclosetv 3h
JUST IN - American Airlines Boeing 777 is forced to make an emergency landing at LAX after a "mechanical problem" — Daily Mail
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 14, 2024 06:08 PM (2yu8s)
......

What fell off this time?
Posted by: wth

At least things fall off our aircraft ON PURPOSE

Posted by: Aero Pinochet at March 14, 2024 06:15 PM (v+0wn)

207 Kind of leaning that way myself, but we can't just abandon everything that is classified

Why ? The Chinese already have the information anyway

Posted by: It's me donna at March 14, 2024 06:16 PM (Akjoo)

208 FIFY.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 14, 2024 06:02 PM (YqDXo)

---------------

Heh, thanks.

* Updates personal library of euphemisms to "Obama Presidential Bathhouse & Outhouse." *

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 14, 2024 06:16 PM (zmr+E)

209 Dyan Cannon had some nice hooterage.
Posted by: Is it a boob thread yet? at March 14, 2024 05:58 PM (ZOAVo)

In 1971

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 14, 2024 06:16 PM (NtVYv)

210 Martini Farmer - Or Barky?

Posted by: Skip at March 14, 2024 06:16 PM (fwDg9)

211 Nood

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 14, 2024 06:17 PM (u73oe)

212 Dyan Cannon had some nice hooterage.
Posted by: Is it a boob thread yet?

I could retire to Hootersville.

Posted by: Miklos would even have someone to speak Hungarian with at March 14, 2024 06:17 PM (v+0wn)

213 These deep state ass--clowns have twisted their prosecutorial arguments back and forth so many times only an esteemed jurist like Roberts or a wise latina Sotomayor or a pig ignorant affirmative action Jackson could discern what "justice" is is.

For every principle written into law there is an exception that serves the interests of the Democrats.

We don't have a legal system, we have a Calvinball exhibition cosplaying as a legal system.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 14, 2024 06:18 PM (LaNzR)

214 Out: "We're not voting or suing our way out of this."
In: "They will no longer allow us to vote or sue our way out of this."

Helpful Boomer, maybe with Red in their nic ...

"But here are the rules that say you must go to the camps. It's always been this way".

Posted by: Stop It at March 14, 2024 06:18 PM (InBPA)

215 istr an incident in late WWII where the Brits had an oopsie and sank a US ship practicing for D-Day, killing 700+ sailors, which was classified for 70-odd years. Why? Probably because some fcknugget retard fourth son of a "noble" caused the mistake.
---------
No.
Here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 14, 2024 06:21 PM (2yu8s)

216 I think Trump is better off if case is not dismissed.
This judge can keep the case running with small delays and prevent Jack Smith or Georgia from having a trial in August-January.

Posted by: MikeN at March 14, 2024 07:33 PM (XygMV)

217 The Kracken never appears. Just wisps of smoke, as if a Constitution is being burned to a crisp.

Posted by: jimmymcnulty at March 14, 2024 07:48 PM (zBVqU)

218 DOJ's position on the documents case was engineered by Obama's minions. Kneecap Biden but preserve legal position against Trump. With luck they take them both out.

Bragg's got problems. Lots. The Boss sees that. He's been moved to Plan C....

Posted by: Yossarian at March 14, 2024 07:54 PM (l6hYK)

219 FFS there is no compairison between Trump, Hillary or Joe Biden because the neither Hillary or Biden WERE NOT AND HAD NOT BEEN PRESIDENT with those documents.

The questions for this judge would be if Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama should be charged.... because that's the situation to compare.

Trump was president, taking documents, notes or having the government just pack them up and ship them to him is all the declassification he needs. end. period... stop.

Posted by: RealityMain at March 15, 2024 01:09 PM (R/wn6)

220 Lefturds believe the law is what they say it is. Bring on the Spanish Inquisition!

Posted by: Bill at March 15, 2024 02:31 PM (bXvrr)

221 "Big Gov doesn't hold any secrets so damn great that the rest of us need beaten over the head with them, for our own good."

You're not being beaten over the head with the "damn great" secrets. You're being beaten over the head with the petty, weasel secrets. The system is being abused. But the solution is not to chuck the system and let the chips fall where they may.

It's a Chesterton's Fence scenario. Can you explain why we have the classification system and extrapolate to the consequences of declassifying everything without exception?

Posted by: Semper Why at March 15, 2024 05:28 PM (nKug+)

222 This blog was... how do you say it? Relevant!!

Finally I have found something that helped me. Appreciate it!

Posted by: parenting.ra6.org at March 19, 2024 08:01 PM (Y0lrX)

Processing 0.04, elapsed 0.0477 seconds.
15 queries taking 0.0172 seconds, 231 records returned.
Page size 133 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.

Is Judge Aileen Cannon Going to Throw Out the Charges of Illegal Retention of Classified Documents Based Upon the DOJ's "Selective Prosecution"?Update: Nope. Motion Denied.

Comments

Is Judge Aileen Cannon Going to Throw Out the Charges of Illegal Retention of Classified Documents Based Upon the DOJ's "Selective Prosecution"?
Update: Nope. Motion Denied.