THE MORNING RANT: Rivian’s Trajectory Has Hit Its ‘Gradually, Then Suddenly’ Moment; Other EV Follies and Failures

Well, I didn’t plan to do another EV roundup so soon, but the collapse of everything EV - other than Tesla’s boutique niche - has accelerated since my last roundup a couple weeks ago.

Above all else, Gov. Brian Kemp’s billion-dollar taxpayer boondoggle in Georgia has apparently hit its ”gradually, then suddenly” moment. I’ve been discussing Rivian’s hype and struggles for a couple years. The excuse of “supply chain issues” can no longer mask the consumer rejection and failed business plan of Rivian.

As I’ve written about previously, Gov. Kemp (R) committed $1.5 billion of Georgia taxpayer money in 2021 to persuade Rivian to build a plant east of Atlanta that would allegedly create 7,500 new jobs and manufacture up to 400,000 EVs per year. Construction on the plant was supposed to commence in 2023, but it has been pushed back and has still not begun. The state, however, has spent a great deal of taxpayer money doing grading and roadwork for this plant that almost certainly won’t be built.

The most recent news from Rivian has been horrific.

The failing EV manufacturer lost another $5.4 billion in 2023, including $1.5 billion in just the 4th quarter. That comes out to a loss per unit sold of $108k on both an annual and quarterly basis. Rivian is reporting a lower “gross” loss of $43k per vehicle, which doesn’t include all the overhead expenses that are also consuming its cash, but that is even worse because it means that there is no sales volume for Rivian that is profitable, and that each incremental sale means another $43k of cash gets burned.

Rivian is now slashing employment, which is not what a company in growth mode does.

“Rivian’s Q4 net loss narrows to $1.52 billion as it cuts staff by 10% and forecasts flat 2024 production” [Automotive News – 02/24/20204]

It’s interesting that the headlines are parroting Rivian’s announcement that its Q4 loss “narrowed” to $1.52 billion, when the loss actually increased from a $1.37 billion loss in Q3. The “narrowing” is compared to the loss in Q4 of the prior-year.

Electric vehicle startup Rivian Automotive reported a fourth-quarter net loss of $1.52 billion compared with a $1.72 billion loss in the same quarter a year earlier.
Rivian said it doesn't expect production to increase significantly this year compared with last year. Rivian also said it is cutting staff. “Today, Rivian also announced it is reducing its salaried workforce by approximately 10 percent,” the company said.

Rivian’s existing plant in Normal, IL has a manufacturing capacity of 150k units per year, but it manufactured just 57k vehicles in 2023, which was 7k more than there was demand for, since it only delivered 50k EVs.

The company was expected to produce 81,700 vehicles in 2024, according to eight analysts polled by Visible Alpha, Reuters said. Rivian produced 57,232 vehicles last year.

At these sales and manufacturing volumes, there is zero need for a new factory in Georgia. Of course, at these sales volumes and losses per unit, there won’t be a going concern named Rivian that could even occupy a factory in Georgia.

Cash and cash equivalents at the end of the September quarter were $7.94 billion, compared with $9.26 billion in the preceding three-month period.

$7.9 billion won’t go far when you’re losing $5.4 billion per year. Unsurprisingly, Rivian’s stock price is hitting all time lows. It has plunged 91% since Rivian’s IPO in 2021.

Elon Musk is helpfully offering his thoughts on Rivian’s death spiral…

“Elon Musk says Rivian needs to ‘cut costs massively’ and its execs should ‘live in the factory’ for the struggling Tesla rival to survive” [Fortune – 02/22/2024]

There is a lot of chatter about Rivian needing to be acquired by Tesla or a legacy automaker before it goes bankrupt, but Tesla doesn’t need a money-losing EV line, and GM and Ford are already proficient at losing money on EVs without Rivian in their stable of marques.

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Ford Has Stopped Shipments of its Slow Selling EV Pickup Truck

Meanwhile, with Ford’s F150 ~~Conflagration~~ Lightning electric pickup trucks gathering dust at dealerships and piling up on storage lots all over Michigan, Ford has suddenly announced a suspension of new shipments of its unwanted EV. Automotive journalists have been peppering Ford with questions as to why this is happening. The answers have been either vague or humorous.

“Ford halted shipments of 2024 F-150 Lightning due to ‘headlight issues’” [Detroit Free Press – 02/26/2024]

“Headlight issues.” Uh huh. I believe that Ford’s failed Edsel venture was also due to “headlight issues.” Likewise, when Ford killed off the Mercury brand a few years ago it was due to “headlight issues.”

Ford spokeswoman Emma Bergg told the Free Press that Ford stopped shipping the Lightning on Feb. 9 as part of quality control protocols, after beginning delivery in January on schedule.

Ford may be stopping shipments of its electric truck due to “headlight issues,” but strangely enough, the ones on the lot have not been recalled to have their “headlight issues” fixed. In fact, although there is a “stop ship” in place, there is not a “stop sale.” You are still welcome to buy an F150 Lightning that is already on a dealer lot, irrespective of its “headlight issues.”

"This is not a stop sale," [Ford Spokesman Emma] Bergg said. "Stop ship is part of the built-in manufacturing process. It's all quality control."

Call me cynical, but it almost sounds like Ford is drowning in a glut of unsellable electric pickups, and “headlight issues” is a euphemism for consumer rejection.

And speaking of Ford’s explosively exciting electric pickup, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration just issued a new recall on 2023 model F-150 Lightnings, due to – what else – a risk of battery fires.

NHTSA Recall Ford Lightning Battery Fire.JPG

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Mercedes Backing Off Its All-EV Pledge

Mercedes had announced, to much praise and acclaim a few years ago, that it would sell only electric vehicles by 2030. I know of at least one sale it lost because of that announcement. When it was time to replace my wife’s Alabama-built Mercedes not too long ago, we ruled out another Mercedes, in part because of Mercedes’ all-EV pronouncement.

Mercedes is now backtracking on that promise…

“Mercedes-Benz Walks Back 2030 Deadline for Full Electrification” [Edmunds – 02/28/2024]

Three years ago, Mercedes-Benz said that by 2030, the brand with the three-pointed star would only sell EVs or PHEVs.
In its fourth-quarter earnings statement, Mercedes predicts that just 50% of its sales will be all-electric, and CEO Ola Källenius told Reuters: “It’s not going to be 100% in 2030, obviously …
Instead, Mercedes says that “customers and market conditions will set the pace of the transformation.” In 2024, at least, “market conditions” aren’t looking great for EVs.

I wonder how many other loyal customers Mercedes ran off with that ridiculous, virtue-signaling promise to stop selling the product that its loyal customers were buying.

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The EV Manufacturer Dead Pool

While Rivian’s impending demise is the most prominent EV failure with the most political baggage, there are a few other once-high-flying EV manufacturers which may fail first…

Fisker’s stock traded at $29 per share just 3 years ago but it’s now trading at just 50 cents per share, as it has seemingly hit the end of the road.

“EV Maker Fisker Reports Bleak Outlook in 2023 Earnings Call” [Car & Driver – 3/02/2024]

The electric-vehicle startup manufacturer Fisker announced a bleak outlook in an earnings call, with the company citing "substantial doubt about Fisker's ability to continue as a going concern."

Meanwhile, luxury EV manufacturer Lucid’s stock has dropped from $55 per share to $3 per share as it is laying off employees and seeing its very low sales volume trend even lower.

“Lucid Motors sold just 6,001 cars in 2023” [Tech Crunch – 01/11/2024]

Lucid Motors delivered only 6,001 of the 8,428 cars it built last year, as it continues to struggle to generate demand for its luxury electric sedans. The Saudi-backed company limped to the finish of 2023, building just 2,391 cars and delivering 1,734 in the fourth quarter — down 31% and 10%, respectively, from the fourth quarter of 2022.
The disappointing sales figures cap a tough year for Lucid. The company laid off nearly 20% of its workforce (around 1,300 people), reduced its production targets multiple times and lost its chief financial officer. Lucid CEO Peter Rawlinson said on multiple occasions that his startup was struggling to find buyers.

With the bloom off the EV rose, Apple has learned that electric vehicles occupy a lane in which it cannot compete. As I discussed in my most recent article at The Pipeline, Apple is pulling the plug on its EV project, having wasted billions of dollars learning that a self-driving, electric vehicle is not just another electronic device.

“Apple to Wind Down Electric Car Effort After Decadelong Odyssey” [MSN – 02/28/2024]

Apple Inc. is canceling a decadelong effort to build an electric car, according to people with knowledge of the matter, abandoning one of the most ambitious projects in the history of the company.

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Buy a Car, Get a ~~Check~~ Bag of Rice

Enough about EVs for today. Let’s close with a great auto dealership sales promotion.

When I was kid, Joe Garagiola was all over the TV pushing Chrysler products with the “Buy a car, get a check” promotion. Burnsville Toyota in Minnesota has a similar promotion for the large Hmong population it serves…

Let’s finish up with Mr. Garagiola his own self…

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 Morning, fellow deplorables!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 04, 2024 11:00 AM (u73oe)

2 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

3 Called em. Now to the content.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 04, 2024 11:01 AM (u73oe)

4 Lum'd nood.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

5 Rivvian!

Posted by: Gabby Johnson at March 04, 2024 11:01 AM (bo7UB)

6 *Points and laughs at Sponge*

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 04, 2024 11:01 AM (u73oe)

7 It's come to this AFTER Detroit laidoff most of their ICE car designers

Thanx Joe Biden

Posted by: SMOD at March 04, 2024 11:03 AM (RHGPo)

8 back to the content, I always like Buck's EV discussions

Posted by: DanMan at March 04, 2024 11:03 AM (8uzBS)

9 "Above all else, Gov. Brian Kemp’s billion-dollar taxpayer boondoggle in Georgia has apparently hit its ”gradually, then suddenly” moment. "

I also predicted this would be an utter failure from the first time I heard about it.

Lunkhead will be gone soon and we are stuck with the bill.

Posted by: fd at March 04, 2024 11:03 AM (vFG9F)

10 We're making Hmongous deals here at Burnsville Toyota

Posted by: Burnsville Toyota at March 04, 2024 11:03 AM (bo7UB)

11 So Biden has headlight issues?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the Struggle to maintain Moron standards at March 04, 2024 11:03 AM (PkYxy)

12 I saw this recently.

It's YOUR fault these people are starving. You darned MAGA luddites:

"As electric vehicle demand slows, workers caught in the middle face an uncertain future

Thousands of workers face layoffs or transfers as automakers scale back on their lofty EV ambitions.

...Hundreds of workers at electric vehicle battery plants have also been laid off in recent months in Michigan, Georgia and California. North Carolina-based Albemarle, which supplies battery makers with lithium, also said in January it was cutting an unspecified number of jobs due to changing market conditions."

https://tinyurl.com/ym6u4knw

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:03 AM (Yui9f)

13 BMW is building a battery mfg plant about a mile from my house....don't know anything about their EV sales.

Posted by: BignJames at March 04, 2024 11:03 AM (AwYPR)

14 See? This is why we need to make MORE EVs!!! This Buck Throckmorton LOVES them!

Posted by: U.S. Auto Industry at March 04, 2024 11:04 AM (m6dV4)

15 Back in the cold war era the US tried to show its superiority to communism by presenting how it was making products that people, normal people, wanted and that would make their lives better.

Heck, on a personal level I once interviewed a professor that had moved to the US from China and asked her what surprised her the most now living in our country and her answer was, "Supermarkets - all this food available for normal people at reasonable costs!"

Soviet America has flipped this on its head. The government directly makes life worse for its citizens while the corporations it collaborates with seek to only offer products people do not want.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:04 AM (ibTVg)

16 SPONGE!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 04, 2024 11:04 AM (5sOEG)

17 lol, 100lbs of rice if you buy an EV. Should be 100 pounds of C4 to blow the piece of shit to hell.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 04, 2024 11:04 AM (VwHCD)

18 Consult your doctor to see if Rivian is right for you. Do not take Rivian if you are allergic to Rivian.

"Rivian, Rivian, Riii-vian!"

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM (T+Iwg)

19 Then: Learn to code MAGAts!

Now: It's YOUR fault these people are starving. You darned MAGA luddites

Posted by: The left at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM (ibTVg)

20 When I was kid, Joe Garagiola was all over the TV pushing Chrysler products with the “Buy a car, get a check” promotion. Burnsville Toyota in Minnesota has a similar promotion for the large Hmong population it serves…

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IIRC there's a dealership in SC that gives an AR with purchases. I think I've seen one out west that gives a hunting rifle.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM (Yui9f)

21 Rivian also faces a yuge securities class action for its lies and delusional hype in connection with its IPO and other stock sales

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM (iFTx/)

22 If I don't get a flaming skull throats may get cut

Posted by: Buck Joefiden at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM (ULGTk)

23 ive seen 3 of them here in OK in the last 7-10 days

Posted by: BruceWayne at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM (CIS44)

24 Clearly, the auto industry mis-heard the story about EVs.

Joe Biden meant "Extra Value" cars

Posted by: BearManPig at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM (RHGPo)

25 A few weeks ago Mercedes Benz CEO backtracked on his pledge that the company will be a 100% electric vehicle maker by 2030.

Now it's, "eh, maybe not so much."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM (bo7UB)

26 "“Elon Musk says Rivian needs to ‘cut costs massively’ and its execs should ‘live in the factory’ for the struggling Tesla rival to survive”

Whatever you think about Musk, this guy knows how to get it done. It won't save Rivian at this point though. The execs will take the money and run.

Posted by: fd at March 04, 2024 11:06 AM (vFG9F)

27 EV's blow. They've known this for 100 years.

Same with ethanol. They knew that shit was unusable in the late 1800's.

We are continually lied to and screwed by our 'intellectual betters.'

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)

28 Yep, news shows Tesla driven through rails, off freeway crashed on freeway below, hard to extinguish fire. 🔥

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the Struggle to maintain Moron standards at March 04, 2024 11:06 AM (PkYxy)

29
Cue Jennifer Granholm stamping her foot and calling everybody idiots.

Posted by: Auspex at March 04, 2024 11:07 AM (j4U/Z)

30 I've never heard of EV manufacturers Fisker and Lucid. (Sounds like a firm of slip-and-fall injury lawyers.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:07 AM (J2vNu)

31 I do not understand why those who want EVs don't push hybrids as a halfway house. The general principled does work (see submarines), and it'd be closer to what they want. Is it just that they are all-or-nothing?

Posted by: Eeyore at March 04, 2024 11:07 AM (1bNHn)

32 As I’ve written about previously, Gov. Kemp (R) committed $1.5 billion of Georgia taxpayer money in 2021 to persuade Rivian to build a plant east of Atlanta that would allegedly create 7,500 new jobs and manufacture up to 400,000 EVs per year.

One could make a strong case that these sort of government hand outs our elected officials make all the time are just slightly more complex bribery.

Vote for me plebes and I will give you a job*

Quid pro quo is it not?

*With the taxpayer's own money of course

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:07 AM (ibTVg)

33 *Points and laughs at Sponge*

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 04, 2024 11:01 AM (u73oe)

What ARE you, my mom?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

34 This is an Overton opportunity btw.

People will cheer that they don't have to buy EVs as V8s and V6s are outlawed and they are forced to buy 3 and 4 cylinders.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:07 AM (Yui9f)

35 Nice rant, Buck. Always appreciate the light you shine on this stuff

Posted by: Doof at March 04, 2024 11:07 AM (JunzL)

36 Rivian is headquartered in Irvine CA, IIRC.

I see one on the street every now and again. Weird-looking things.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 04, 2024 11:08 AM (bo7UB)

37 Yep, news shows Tesla driven through rails, off freeway crashed on freeway below, hard to extinguish fire. 🔥
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the Struggle to maintain Moron standards at March 04, 2024 11:06 AM (PkYxy)

Hey. At least they got to go out Dukes of Hazard style. Having that shit torch your house by simply parking it in the garage REALLY sucks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

38 I wonder what the government/fleet purchases of EVs is compared to the total person off the street purchases. I vaguely recall Rivian may have been part of a bidding process for EVs for the Post Office that was many thousands of units.

Without the central planning purchases, they may be even less popular than it appears.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (z+89e)

39 "I've never heard of EV manufacturers Fisker and Lucid. (Sounds like a firm of slip-and-fall injury lawyers.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius"

I know where there are 3 first gen Fiskers sitting in a corner gathering dust. They look cool but there is zero support for them so nobody will buy them.

Posted by: fd at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (vFG9F)

40 Yeah those shitty little headlights crap out the minute you get engulfed in flames.

What the hell.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (vBBFa)

41 Watching Dune 2 on Friday, enduring the barrage of ads before the movie…two commercials for EVs. Eye roll.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (m6dV4)

42 There was an interesting article today quoting Elon about the fact that if AI meets expectations, in 2025 there won't be enough power to run all the necessary chips. Thus, the implosion of the EV tulip craze may in fact have saved AI.
https://tinyurl.com/44ccjuej

"Then, the next shortage will be electricity. They won't be able to find enough electricity to run all the chips. I think next year, you'll see they just can't find enough electricity to run all the chips.
"The simultaneous growth of electric cars and AI, both of which need electricity, both of which need voltage transformers – I think, is creating a tremendous demand for electrical equipment and for electrical power generation."

I suppose that's a good thing, because it requires the PTB to actually confront reality, instead of continuing to huff unicorn flatulence. Apparently we have only one guy who can do the math.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (CsUN+)

43 I do not understand why those who want EVs don't push hybrids as a halfway house. The general principled does work (see submarines), and it'd be closer to what they want. Is it just that they are all-or-nothing?

The point of electric cars isn't to take an ICE from everyone that has one and replace it with an EV.

The point is to take most of the ICE cars away leaving a few for the elites, then EVs for the next class down serving them, and nothing for normal people.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (ibTVg)

44 Car show guy on Saturday told of a guy paying $148,000 for an EV. The guy sold said vehicle, after putting 1,500 miles on it for 66,000 and was lucky to get it

Posted by: Ben Had at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (m1Uxm)

45
I see one on the street every now and again. Weird-looking things.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 04, 2024 11:08 AM (bo7UB)

They're hideous.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

46 If I don't get a flaming skull throats may get cut
Posted by: Buck Joefiden at March 04, 2024 11:05 AM

Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: SGT Hulka at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (5sOEG)

47 Fisker is the Saab of Saturn.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (Yui9f)

48 They have headlight problems cause they can't see moving forward. Bad dum tiss!

Posted by: ICU at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (C9box)

49 Rivian...

Isn't that the one with the oval headlights?

And you can pop them out to use as hand held flashlights, or something.

Ugly as home made sin.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (a1415)

50 It's weird how EV proponents never fully considered the engineering and infrastructure challenges awaiting them

giant poisonous death batteries
a national government that wants to cripple the generation of electricity
and a driving public that doesn't want to buy what you're selling

didn't see that coming, huh

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (oCjPU)

51 I saw my fist and only Tesla truck on the freeway a few weeks ago. It looks like it was designed on Minecraft.

Tesla will probably sell a ton of them.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (bo7UB)

52 "Headlight issues".

This is a hanging curveball for Joe Mannix!

Posted by: Doof at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (JunzL)

53 There is a drone photo of hundreds of Ford vehicles parked in the now graveled over site of the McClouth Steel mill in downriver Detroit. I am wondering if it’s the EV trucks with the broken headlights, lol.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (1q8Fq)

54 Car show guy on Saturday told of a guy paying $148,000 for an EV. The guy sold said vehicle, after putting 1,500 miles on it for 66,000 and was lucky to get it
Posted by: Ben Had at March 04, 2024 11:09 AM (m1Uxm)

The value of an EV drops 50% the minute you sign on the bottom line.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)

55 9-0!!! Who cares about battery cars?

Posted by: Don Draper at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (5WIwh)

56 I was on the fence about buying a Chrysler, but the endorsement of L. Ray Bird convinced me.

Posted by: Impudent Warwick at March 04, 2024 11:11 AM (f/6Wb)

57 9-0!!! Who cares about battery cars?
Posted by: Don Draper

THE COURT IS ILLEGITMATE
-100% DU

Posted by: BruceWayne at March 04, 2024 11:12 AM (CIS44)

58 It's weird how EV proponents never fully considered the engineering and infrastructure challenges awaiting them

Because they are not going to replace America's 280M mostly ICE cars with 280M EV cars.

The plan is to replace the the current fleet with 10-20M EVs.

Not politically connected? Then you don't need personal transportation plebe. You will own nothing and like it. Or else.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:12 AM (ibTVg)

59 I thought Fisker made scissors.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:12 AM (fs1hN)

60 I have an issue: the word "issue" and the word "problem" are not synonymous. An issue is something controversial, about which people disagree. A problem is something not functioning as intended.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:12 AM (CsUN+)

61
This is a hanging curveball for Joe Mannix!
Posted by: Doof at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (JunzL)

Headlights.

https://is.gd/CQ6dKI

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)

62 Meanwhile, with Ford’s F150 Conflagration Lightning electric pickup trucks gathering dust at dealerships and piling up on storage lots all over Michigan, Ford has suddenly announced a suspension of new shipments of its unwanted EV.

Just like the EV graveyards in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxfOmJGeFc

Posted by: lost in space at March 04, 2024 11:12 AM (DbPG1)

63 I've never heard of EV manufacturers Fisker and Lucid.

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Lucid puts out an extremely expensive EV sedan that boasts more than 1000 hp. Ridiculous torque in that thing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 04, 2024 11:12 AM (bo7UB)

64 I do like that the US auto manufacturers, when CAFE was passed, were so fat and lazy that they 1) they were able to easily meet the standards (showing they knew they were selling shit) and 2) decided they'll continue course of bribing politicians rather than a multi-decade long effort to repeal the unconstitutional law.

Suddenly, CAFE is impossible to meet without huge EV sales.

And since they bribed so many Democrats for so long, they have no politicians who will support them.
Except Trump.
And better dead than MAGA, amiright?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 04, 2024 11:13 AM (zyRe5)

65 Rice Burner, indeed.

Posted by: XTC at March 04, 2024 11:13 AM (UnA8+)

66 Every EV maker has gone belly-up. Why, the public does NOT want them and there are a thousand reason why they do not want them.

Posted by: vic at March 04, 2024 11:13 AM (A5THL)

67 I do not understand why those who want EVs don't push hybrids as a halfway house

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because it's a religion.

Hybrids still use fuel. They were outright rejected because of that. It's why the Volt (generator charging battery driving wheels, no range limits) was soundly rejected by the cult.

There can be no in-between

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:13 AM (Yui9f)

68 I can see Toyota and Ferrari surviving, not too many other manufacturers have much hope unless they reverse course immediately.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 04, 2024 11:14 AM (sSF0X)

69 That Rivian plant in Normal, IL… used to be a Mitsubishi plant and quite successful. Had a relative who worked there for decades… when Mitsubishi left so did lots of jobs. Sad really…. My relative moved away from Illinois as a result and is now in a red southern state…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 04, 2024 11:14 AM (4Fb0A)

70 I went to car show recently, about 1/2 the size of previous car shows I went to before the Covid Deception Era. Many EVs were on display, few ICE cars.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:14 AM (fs1hN)

71 60 I have an issue: the word "issue" and the word "problem" are not synonymous. An issue is something controversial, about which people disagree. A problem is something not functioning as intended.

Thus, a "headlight issue" means people agree or disagree about whether it should function.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:14 AM (CsUN+)

72 Sue Ellen Mischke had to stop going braless because of "headlight" issues...

Posted by: Muldoon at March 04, 2024 11:14 AM (991eG)

73 Elon Musk Claims AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025.

Posted by: BearManPig at March 04, 2024 11:14 AM (RHGPo)

74 sorry to OT

just got an email from Kroger encouraging me to celebrate Women's History Month (March) by buying women-funded and created brands

guess I need to drag my Women's History Month decorations out of the basement

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (oCjPU)

75 Trump’s Promise – Retribution or Revenge?

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I'll take six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (FVME7)

76 Volvo is all in on EV's.

This doesn't bode well for them.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (a1415)

77 "Then, the next shortage will be electricity. They won't be able to find enough electricity to run all the chips.

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o_O

We can't run a laptop but we're going to plug these EVs in.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (Yui9f)

78 "Every EV maker has gone belly-up. Why, the public does NOT want them and there are a thousand reason why they do not want them.
Posted by: vic "

Tesla is surviving better than I thought they would.

Posted by: fd at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (vFG9F)

79 And since they bribed so many Democrats for so long, they have no politicians who will support them.
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I'm sorry this happened to you.
-Sen. Hawley

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (fs1hN)

80 There is one good thing about the EV craze: the Chinese invested many metric buttloads of money in them, and now have vast acres of cars they can't sell.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (CsUN+)

81 I suppose that's a good thing, because it requires the PTB to actually confront reality, instead of continuing to huff unicorn flatulence.

When has that ever happened in real life?

Posted by: Oddbob at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (sNc8Y)

82 Rivian is reporting a lower “gross” loss of $43k per vehicle, which doesn’t include all the overhead expenses that are also consuming its cash, but that is even worse because it means that there is no sales volume for Rivian that is profitable, and that each incremental sale means another $43k of cash gets burned.
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Losing $43k per vehicle?

The damn things cost between $78k and $100k per Edmunds (before credits or rebates and the like). So they're taking a 50% loss on each unit. It's even worse if their special-purpose Amazon delivery vans are included, since those are fleet vehicles at a lower unit price.

That is one hell of a spread and if it can't be brought down to earth and brought down pronto - like within the next 12 months - Rivian is a dead letter. The losses accumulate so hugely with every unit sold that there's no way to pretend without *incredibly* credulous investors willing to shovel money into a furnace - and those are getting harder to come by.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (HnUIn)

83 EV = Ephemeral Vehicle (Value)

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (lZVy/)

84 Car show guy on Saturday told of a guy paying $148,000 for an EV. The guy sold said vehicle, after putting 1,500 miles on it for 66,000 and was lucky to get it

Posted by: Ben Had

Sounds like a Porsche Taycan. There's a huge glut of them unsold and the instant depreciation is a well known and a big factor.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (hCzfy)

85 49 Rivian...

Isn't that the one with the oval headlights?

And you can pop them out to use as hand held flashlights, or something.

Ugly as home made sin.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (a1415)

American car buyers have a long history of appreciating vertical oval elements on the front of their cars.

Posted by: Impudent Warwick at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (f/6Wb)

86 65, LoL, thread winner.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (1q8Fq)

87 73 Elon Musk Claims AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025.

See my #42.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (CsUN+)

88 This is a hanging curveball for Joe Mannix!
Posted by: Doof at March 04, 2024 11:10 AM (JunzL)

Headlights.

https://is.gd/CQ6dKI
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)

Wow. That is NOT an ugly woman!

Posted by: Doof at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (JunzL)

89 "I'll take six of one, half a dozen of the other."

Give me a baker's dozen of both.

With sprinkles.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (a1415)

90 >> So Biden has headlight issues?

Well, he usually looks like a deer in one.

Posted by: Aviator at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (jNav6)

91 Elon Musk Claims AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025.

When SF passed a regulation banning gas stoves a number of celebrity chefs were given waivers so they could have new ones installed.

I would guess if Google or MS demand more power they will get the Democrats allowing them to build new power facilities. Remember the left believes in nothing but power and the tech oligarchs hold a lot of sway within the junta...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (ibTVg)

92 It doesn't get much mention, but a huge nationwide evaluation was done on the practicality of EV versus ICE, and ICE won.

The study ended in 1910.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (sSF0X)

93 Lunch soon, I love stories with happy endings so can't wait

Posted by: Skip at March 04, 2024 11:16 AM (552nR)

94 Mannix needs to make us aware of women who have headlight issues.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 04, 2024 11:17 AM (ufFY8)

95 There is a lot of chatter about Rivian needing to be acquired by Tesla or a legacy automaker before it goes bankrupt, but Tesla doesn’t need a money-losing EV line, and GM and Ford are already proficient at losing money on EVs without Rivian in their stable of marques.
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Yeah, there's only one way a buyout happens: with a "government backstop" and some extras tossed in during the closed-door deal-making. I doubt Rivian is important enough - or has contributed generously enough tot he Party - to justify that kind of action.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:17 AM (HnUIn)

96 73 Elon Musk Claims AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025.
Posted by: BearManPig at March 04, 2024 11:14 AM (RHGPo)

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If you ever watched The Matrix you already know where this is headed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 04, 2024 11:17 AM (bo7UB)

97 The electric-vehicle startup manufacturer Fisker announced a bleak outlook in an earnings call, with the company citing "substantial doubt about Fisker's ability to continue as a going concern."
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Real companies have earnings calls.

Fake companies have losses calls.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:17 AM (HnUIn)

98 I went to car show recently, about 1/2 the size of previous car shows I went to before the Covid Deception Era. Many EVs were on display, few ICE cars.
Posted by: Chuck Martel

-

Part of it is the psy-op of trying to convince buyers that OTHER buyers want them so they should, too. Another part, tied to the first one, is that the manufacturers have gone all in* on investing in EVs and EV sales. They need buyers to agree. But buyers don't.

* because of government legislation regarding emissions

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:18 AM (Yui9f)

99
Puppet Show

And

EV Sales

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 04, 2024 11:18 AM (u73oe)

100 If you ever watched The Matrix you already know where this is headed.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at

Do you see?
-Morpheus

Posted by: BruceWayne at March 04, 2024 11:18 AM (CIS44)

101 73 Elon Musk Claims AI will run out of electricity and transformers in 2025.
Posted by: BearManPig at March 04, 2024 11:14 AM (RHGPo)
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I saw that. Interesting take. Really puts Lib's in a dilemma: Biased AI for all vs Solar/wind Power.

Posted by: WisRich at March 04, 2024 11:18 AM (G0vdT)

102 "American car buyers have a long history of appreciating vertical oval elements on the front of their cars."

Futuristic horse collars.

Folks are instinctively drawn to them

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:18 AM (a1415)

103 Who could have foreseen this failure? In a way all of us are to blame.

Posted by: Gov. Lunkhead Kemp at March 04, 2024 11:18 AM (jbnUc)

104 Every EV maker has gone belly-up. Why, the public does NOT want them and there are a thousand reason why they do not want them.
Posted by: vic

Apparently you don't read Ars Technica. Those folks are positive the current collapse of EVs is due to Maga people in flyover states committing insurrection against Gaia and that all we need to do is put up more solar panel farms.

Posted by: lost in space at March 04, 2024 11:19 AM (DbPG1)

105 Ugly as home made sin.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

No accounting for taste.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 04, 2024 11:19 AM (IG4Id)

106 Lucid CEO Peter Rawlinson said on multiple occasions that his startup was struggling to find buyers.
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LOL. Yeah. Buyers for the cars or buyers for the company - I am not sure which he means - are in the same place: fantasy land.

If you're going to be a boutique, low-volume carmaker, you can't put up unit losses like these outfits are chalking on the board.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:19 AM (HnUIn)

107 Just got a letter from the dealership that sold me my truck.

Said they could get me into a new truck with the same payment and that they wanted to buy my 2019 from me.

I cannot imagine the length of a contract I'd be signing to get my 2019 payment to even out with a new truck, but it's possible Halley's Comet would pass twice in the time span.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 04, 2024 11:20 AM (KbCG3)

108 Morning.

Rivians are ugly, ugly cars.

I am rarely see one on the road but when I do they're very often being towed.

Did I mention they're ugly?

Posted by: Robert at March 04, 2024 11:20 AM (1Yy3c)

109 Apparently you don't read Ars Technica. Those folks are positive the current collapse of EVs is due to Maga people in flyover states committing insurrection against Gaia and that all we need to do is put up more solar panel farms.
Posted by: lost in space at March 04, 2024 11:19 AM (DbPG1)

"Doc. It really hurts where I continually hit myself in the hand with a hammer."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

110 How much total energy is saved by using an electric car if the battery can't be charged unless it is kept in a heated garage?

How will the road system be paid for if electric cars become dominant? Now the roads are mostly paid for by taxes on gasoline and diesel (59% of California's Transportation Department funding is from fuel taxes).

On average, electric cars are much heavier than ICE cars (about 4,000 pounds compared to about 3,200 pounds) and thus create more wear on the road. Also, the extra weight means that guardrails and other safety features will need to be reinforced to contain electric cars.

Posted by: Hank Archer at March 04, 2024 11:20 AM (FrXDI)

111 >>> when Ford killed off the Mercury brand a few years ago it was due to “headlight issues.”
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There was a time when Mercury was FoMoCo's most beautiful cars and hot. You could buy a huge Marauder off the showroom floor that would cruise at 127.

CAFE killed beautiful cars and part of the American dream.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (bs59e)

112 lol, 100lbs of rice if you buy an EV. Should be 100 pounds of C4 to blow the piece of shit to hell.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 04, 2024 11:04 AM (VwHCD)

Glad to see you're feeling better !

Posted by: JT at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (T4tVD)

113 "Headlight Issues" means "we can't see a road ahead" for these vehicles.

Posted by: Electric Eye at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (R9HmT)

114
Carly Simon had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/yevekam4

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (oCjPU)

115 The old expression 'deader than a wedge' keeps coming to mind.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (m1Uxm)

116 Buy a Car, Get a ~~Check~~ Bag of Rice
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You'll know the end is near for EVs when the promotion becomes "buy a car, get a second car." These types of promotions are real, and happen when there's a serious inventory dislocation and tremendous need for incentive.

I can think of two. One was in the 70s, when a dealer selling one of the land boats (Cadillac, I think) would toss in a Fiat 500 when you bought one. Great marketing gimmick, since the put the 500 (mostly) in the trunk of the big car.

Another was in the late aughts or early tens, when Ford would toss in a bottom-spec/fleet-spec Focus if you bought one of the gigantic SUVs (Excursion or Expedition).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (HnUIn)

117 I went to car show recently, about 1/2 the size of previous car shows I went to before the Covid Deception Era.
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At risk of suffering whatever punishment awaits re-posting one's own post above, but we're past 100 posts and YOLO.

I'm going to experimentally start referring years in Covid Deception Era, with 2020 as year 1. So we are now in year 4 CDE.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:22 AM (fs1hN)

118 ++++
LOL. Yeah. Buyers for the cars or buyers for the company - I am not sure which he means - are in the same place: fantasy land.

If you're going to be a boutique, low-volume carmaker, you can't put up unit losses like these outfits are chalking on the board.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:19 AM (HnUIn)

Let's all know that he isn't going away poor after everything crashes.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

119 ++++
Yeah, there's only one way a buyout happens: with a "government backstop" and some extras tossed in during the closed-door deal-making. I doubt Rivian is important enough - or has contributed generously enough tot he Party - to justify that kind of action.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:17 AM (HnUIn)

Don't be so hasty. With Sam Bankman Fried otherwise occupied, the Dems will need some way to launder money this election cycle. Donations from thousands of UAW EV autoworkers would do that nicely.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at March 04, 2024 11:22 AM (z+89e)

120 32 As I’ve written about previously, Gov. Kemp (R) committed $1.5 billion of Georgia taxpayer money in 2021 to persuade Rivian to build a plant east of Atlanta that would allegedly create 7,500 new jobs and manufacture up to 400,000 EVs per year.

One could make a strong case that these sort of government hand outs our elected officials make all the time are just slightly more complex bribery.

Vote for me plebes and I will give you a job*

Quid pro quo is it not?

*With the taxpayer's own money of course
Posted by: 18-1
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Yet I see some folks here that think Kemp is just totes wonderful becuz Covid and Orange Man bad despite going to the WEF for the last two years and participating in the notorious Sea Island confab over a year ago.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:22 AM (bk5GW)

121
Linda Ronstadt had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/tmh4n66b

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:22 AM (oCjPU)

122 Apparently you don't read Ars Technica. Those folks are positive the current collapse of EVs is due to Maga people in flyover states committing insurrection against Gaia and that all we need to do is put up more solar panel farms.
Posted by: lost in space at March 04, 2024 11:19 AM (DbPG1)
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I don't, but I don't doubt it. I doubt it so little that I won't bother to verify it.

Everything is my fault. I'm used to it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (HnUIn)

123
On average, electric cars are much heavier than ICE cars (about 4,000 pounds compared to about 3,200 pounds) and thus create more wear on the road.

I was reading one traffic engineer's response to the point that Rome's roads lasted so much longer then ours do.

His argument was we have much heavier vehicles then they did. Now, you'd think almost 2K years of tech would be more then able to handle that but...whatever. To your argument if we in turn add another 25% of weight to the roads how much worse will they be?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (ibTVg)

124 Fake companies have losses calls.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

"Its a write-off, Jerry; they just write it off !"

Posted by: JT at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (T4tVD)

125
"The simultaneous growth of electric cars and AI, both of which need electricity, both of which need voltage transformers – I think, is creating a tremendous demand for electrical equipment and for electrical power generation."

Posted by: Archimedes

Next cry "Fusion forever"!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (3LUnX)

126 114
Carly Simon had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/yevekam4
Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (oCjPU)

And a bigass mouth.

Posted by: Bigmouth Billy Bass at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

127 114
Carly Simon had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/yevekam4
____

I did not know that. I was distracted by her wide fish mouth issues.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (fs1hN)

128 Another was in the late aughts or early tens, when Ford would toss in a bottom-spec/fleet-spec Focus if you bought one of the gigantic SUVs (Excursion or Expedition).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (HnUIn)

Kia has run that one a few times

Posted by: A dude in MI at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (/6GbT)

129 "Carly Simon had headlight issues "

I was in Junior High when that album came out.

Oh boy...how we all stared at that album cover..

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (a1415)

130 Rivvian!
Posted by: Gabby Johnson at March 04, 2024 11:01 AM (bo7UB)

Well, that thar is some authentic frontier jibberish!

Posted by: Johnson Johnson at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (/HDaX)

131 Yet I see some folks here that think Kemp is just totes wonderful

Really? Who?

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

132 Chaos At Georgia Six Flags As Violent Mob Invades - Ends In Shootout With Police

This is the real reason why we can't have nice things...

While Democrat politicians continue to claim that crime in the US is going down, violent mob actions similar to what happened at the Georgia Six Flags have been rising steadily in the past few years. Why don't crime stats reflect this? Because progressive city governments rarely prosecute the people involved. Low prosecution numbers lead to low convictions and low reported crime rates.

Posted by: BearManPig at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (RHGPo)

133 "Bad Cop" Biden Trots Out "Bad Cop" Harris To Issue Biting Criticism Of Israel & 'Inhumane' Conditions In Gaza

Her call for 6-week ceasefire comes as Israelis boycott Cairo talks

Posted by: SMOD at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (RHGPo)

134
Jill St John had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/bvaj2k5c

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (oCjPU)

135 Merc's were just re-badged Fords with 10c of upgrades that priced out at $4000 on the sticker.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 04, 2024 11:24 AM (IG4Id)

136 On average, electric cars are much heavier than ICE cars (about 4,000 pounds compared to about 3,200 pounds) and thus create more wear on the road. Also, the extra weight means that guardrails and other safety features will need to be reinforced to contain electric cars.
Posted by: Hank Archer
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The new Tesla pickup is a particularly bad offender being both porky and able to go right through a lot of safety barriers.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:24 AM (bk5GW)

137 Speaking of cars and government regulations, don't believe the lie that people no longer wanted manual transmissions.

I've mentioned it here before, but there's an annual purchase rate of 1.7% of manual transmission passenger vehicles. There are more manuals on the road being driven by normal people in daily life than there are EVs. Not business, just passenger vehicles that folks choose to purchase.

Manual transmissions were killed off not only because of MPG estimates (lot easier to guess fleet MPG with everything being auto), but government noise regulations as well:

"Drive-by noise regulations affect gear-ratio selection, for example. As a hypothetical, if a car has to be below a certain noise threshold at 35 mph, you can simply program the car to use a higher gear. In a manual car, you obviously can’t."

https://tinyurl.com/yvqkexfv

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:24 AM (Yui9f)

138 Volvo is all in on EV's.

This doesn't bode well for them.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024

***
EVs? In Sweden?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:24 AM (J2vNu)

139 EV clusterfuck at the hog trough may even exceed the Obama solar power plundering of our children's future.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:25 AM (pUIaK)

140 I should stop

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:25 AM (oCjPU)

141 Chaos At Georgia Six Flags As Violent Mob Invades - Ends In Shootout With Police

This is the real reason why we can't have nice things...

Damn Amish.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:25 AM (CsUN+)

142 ... To your argument if we in turn add another 25% of weight to the roads how much worse will they be?
Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (ibTVg)
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Probably not much, since it's tiny compared to heavy truck weight.

But it's murder on the pocketbook. EVs chew through tires like they're going out of style. You can help this by buying EV tires (much stronger and heavier-duty), but the upfront cost of that is much higher (they're expensive) and you'll still go through them a lot faster.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:25 AM (HnUIn)

143 "Linda Ronstadt had headlight issues "

Yup....dat one too!.

At that age....even the crack of dawn.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:25 AM (a1415)

144 How will the road system be paid for if electric cars become dominant? Now the roads are mostly paid for by taxes on gasoline and diesel (59% of California's Transportation Department funding is from fuel taxes).

GPS tracking of every mile you drive and charge you for one. Which of course will be public information. The divorce attorneys are going to love this.

Posted by: lost in space at March 04, 2024 11:25 AM (DbPG1)

145 Joe Xiden hit hardest ...

****

Folks, this was a lay up. I realize it's Monday, but c'mon.

You missed a chance to dance on his EV grave

Posted by: browndog wonders where his next treat is coming from at March 04, 2024 11:25 AM (TTAGa)

146 Chaos At Georgia Six Flags As Violent Mob Invades - Ends In Shootout With Police

--

(holds index card up to forehead)

Georgia attorneys!

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:26 AM (Yui9f)

147
***
EVs? In Sweden?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:24 AM (J2vNu)

But they're wearing lederhosen!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)

148 The new Tesla pickup is a particularly bad offender being both porky and able to go right through a lot of safety barriers.
Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:24 AM (bk5GW)
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Hmmmmmm.

So it'll be the platform of choice for technicals making marauding runs into the suburbs?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:26 AM (HnUIn)

149 On the bright side, covid panic is still selling well, at least among the Party faithful.

Posted by: Ripley at March 04, 2024 11:26 AM (JojsZ)

150 132 Chaos At Georgia Six Flags As Violent Mob Invades - Ends In Shootout With Police

This is the real reason why we can't have nice things...

While Democrat politicians continue to claim that crime in the US is going down, violent mob actions similar to what happened at the Georgia Six Flags have been rising steadily in the past few years. Why don't crime stats reflect this? Because progressive city governments rarely prosecute the people involved. Low prosecution numbers lead to low convictions and low reported crime rates.
Posted by: BearManPig
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Money quote from Fox 5 story,
"Park guests reported chaos and panic on opening day at Six Flags Over Georgia. Between 500-600 people ran through the park fighting, leading to an exchange of gunfire right outside the property.

According to the GBI, Cobb County police fired shots after an attempt to remove the group from the property led some of the teens to shoot at police."
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Dystopia anyone?

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:26 AM (bk5GW)

151 NY Post: Bud Light’s Dylan Mulvaney fiasco cost Anheuser-Busch more than $1B in sales last year

In North America, organic revenue — seen as the best measure of operating performance — nosedived a staggering $1.4 billion in 2023, “primarily due to the volume declined of Bud Light,” according to CNN, citing the brewer’s fourth-quarter earnings report

https://tinyurl.com/2vh4mcnj

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (iFTx/)

152 I was reading one traffic engineer's response to the point that Rome's roads lasted so much longer then ours do.

His argument was we have much heavier vehicles then they did. Now, you'd think almost 2K years of tech would be more then able to handle that but...whatever. To your argument if we in turn add another 25% of weight to the roads how much worse will they be?
Posted by: 18-1

*cough cough*

Steel rims on heavy oak wagons vs rubber tires.

*cough Blow me cough*

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (JpKTL)

153 Chaos At Georgia Six Flags As Violent Mob Invades - Ends In Shootout With Police

It was a mostly peaceful day at Six Flags for some of our wonderful newcomers until police brutality and love for guns ruined everything

Posted by: The same line in Newspeak at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (ibTVg)

154 Manual transmissions were killed off not only because of MPG estimates (lot easier to guess fleet MPG with everything being auto), but government noise regulations as well:
____

I'll add that to my list of things that the hateful government bureaucrat overlords have done to reduce joy among the serfs they rule over. I'd love a manual transmission in my car.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (fs1hN)

155 Volvo is all in on EV's.

This doesn't bode well for them.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (a1415)
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It's okay, we'll make it up on Polestar sales!

Posted by: Volvo's Chinese Masters at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (HnUIn)

156 Just got a call from Val Jarrett. She want's to know if I'm interested in a come back,, you know,, a second term. I might just do it!

LETS DANCE!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NiG7moDHJqE

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (X4yCj)

157 "Linda Ronstadt had headlight issues "

Yup....dat one too!.

At that age....even the crack of dawn.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:25 AM (a1415)

Had a crush on her as a yute, but MAN did they ruin her.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (Zz0t1)

158 134
Jill St John had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/bvaj2k5c
Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (oCjPU)

Jacob Dylan also had headlight issues.

No pics.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (KbCG3)

159 EV's can't fail fast enough. They need to, otherwise the mandates will roll out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (xcxpd)

160 NY Post: Bud Light’s Dylan Mulvaney fiasco cost Anheuser-Busch more than $1B in sales last year

Really? Ladyboys usually only cost me about $20.

Posted by: David French at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (ibTVg)

161 The bulk of Rivian production wasn't even passenger vehicles.

It's all of those Amazon electric delivery vans. And if they can't make a profit making a bulk purchase, interior-less van which is generic as a bar of soap, well, the answer is right there.

One of the car magazines had a review of the $180k Lucid luxury car. +1,000 hp, and a supposed 400 mile range.

If you can find a place to charge it, that is. They haven't yet converted over to the Tesla Standard for chargers, so, they're the odd duck, and that's only going to further contribute to their demise.

Mostly, the Lucid is seen as a Status Signalling Device, in places like La Jolla, Beverly Hills, Hollyweird and other CA snobberies.

Not too many people in the real world drive one. But then again, not too many people drive a Bently, either.

And at least the Bently uses a gasoline engine. Like a Real Car Should.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (e6UQI)

162 re: Six Flags over Georgia:

"According to the investigation, the “unruly crowd” was made up of 500 to 600 people...

“It was a real big group of kids. I[’ve] never seen a group of kids like that outside of high school you know?” Justice said."

https://tinyurl.com/ynzad5pb

Paging Mr. Derbyshire. Mr. Derbyshire, you have a call holding on line two, please.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (Yui9f)

163 Just like the EV graveyards in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxfOmJGeFc
Posted by: lost in space

The difference is all those EVs in Chinese graveyards were registered, not just sitting on lots unsold.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (3LUnX)

164 Manual transmissions get better mileage than autos. Most of my cars have been manual. More efficient and generally safer.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (pLpIR)

165 Hmmmmmm.

So it'll be the platform of choice for technicals making marauding runs into the suburbs?
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Yes or people wanting to live in urban shitholes due to its bullet resistant armored glass plus stainless steel body resistant to molotovs and bullets.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (bk5GW)

166 If you ever watched The Matrix you already know where this is headed.
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Which was just about the stupidest part of the series that got increasingly stupider.

The human body, at peak output, can barely power a 100 watt light bulb.
A fuel source? By AI that has no "earf first!" BS preventing it from massive nuke power plants? So, so so stupid.

Now, if you had the humans as computers, where the AI is using the brains as its processing chips? That could make sense.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (DN9nX)

167 EV's can't fail fast enough. They need to, otherwise the mandates will roll out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (xcxpd)
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What on earth makes you think that abject market failure and the collapse of large chunks of the industry will prevent mandates?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (HnUIn)

168 Buy a Car, Get a ~~Check~~ Bag of Rice

Back in the '80s, I think, some camera store had a promotion where if you bought some ungodly-expensive Leica lens, they threw in a VW Fox. Which seems like a punishment rather than an incentive, but there you go.

Posted by: spindrift at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (La/vm)

169 So it'll be the platform of choice for technicals making marauding runs into the suburbs?
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Yes or people wanting to live in urban shitholes due to its bullet resistant armored glass plus stainless steel body resistant to molotovs and bullets.
Posted by: whig a

as long as it doesnt rain.

Posted by: BruceWayne at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (CIS44)

170 "Drive-by noise regulations affect gear-ratio selection, for example. As a hypothetical, if a car has to be below a certain noise threshold at 35 mph, you can simply program the car to use a higher gear. In a manual car, you obviously can’t."

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:24 AM (Yui9f)

They may have my stick-shift when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (T+Iwg)

171 Jennifer Granholm was the worstt by governor we ever had in Michigan, and now her protege ( Gretchen witmer) is being talked about for VP. These women are dangerous.

Posted by: Chillin the most at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (0uQp2)

172 EVs? In Sweden?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Ok, hear me out, lots of 0's from Dubai.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (IG4Id)

173 151 NY Post: Bud Light’s Dylan Mulvaney fiasco cost Anheuser-Busch more than $1B in sales last year

In North America, organic revenue — seen as the best measure of operating performance — nosedived a staggering $1.4 billion in 2023, “primarily due to the volume declined of Bud Light,” according to CNN, citing the brewer’s fourth-quarter earnings report

https://tinyurl.com/2vh4mcnj
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (iFTx/)

The face that launched a billion in losses.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (KbCG3)

174 PJM: Shocking Video Shows Teens Licking and Sucking Toes at School Event

https://tinyurl.com/575w4nyd

Via Stephen Green

Posted by: Robert at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (1Yy3c)

175 Rivians are ugly, ugly cars.

I am rarely see one on the road but when I do they're very often being towed.

Did I mention they're ugly?
Posted by: Robert at March 04, 2024

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Most cars' front ends echo the human face, with two eyes (headlights) and a mouth (grille), and the badge or some icon as the nose. Rivians do not look like the human face, but more like a comic-strip vision of a surprised person. Or a shocked one.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (J2vNu)

176 Actually saw a Rivian on the road last week. An SUV type, looked a little like a Ford Flex. Was running, and not on fire.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 04, 2024 11:30 AM (tkR6S)

177 >>Between 500-600 people ran through the park fighting

People. Would there by any chance be any distinguishing characteristics of these people?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 11:30 AM (LkLld)

178 The failing EV manufacturer lost another $5.4 billion in 2023, including $1.5 billion in just the 4th quarter. That comes out to a loss per unit sold of $108k on both an annual and quarterly basis.

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Isn't it time for a multi-trillion dollar feral government bailout for these "Too Big To Bail" EV Grifters?

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 11:30 AM (KAi4A)

179 People. Would there by any chance be any distinguishing characteristics of these people?
____

Would you accept 'youths'?
-Media

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (fs1hN)

180 Manual transmissions get better mileage than autos. Most of my cars have been manual. More efficient and generally safer.

Posted by: Thomas Paine

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Ah, but that's the thing. You as a driver can choose to stay in 3rd gear on a fun road, while the auto with 10 gears will constantly search for improved MPG without the teensiest concern for annoyances or driving enjoyment.

And then the engine will shut off when you reach the stop sign.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (Yui9f)

181 Actually saw a Rivian on the road last week. An SUV type, looked a little like a Ford Flex. Was running, and not on fire.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 04, 2024 11:30 AM (tkR6S)
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Except that the Flex, while boxy and odd looking, is also very cool. I understand that I am entirely in the minority on this, but I always thought the Flex had something of an "X Factor." I can't explain it, I just like them and always have. It is exactly what it is and makes no bones about it.

Rivians, on the other hand, are uglier than hammered sin.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)

182 Futuristic horse collars.

Folks are instinctively drawn to them

*snort*

Posted by: Impudent Warwick at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (f/6Wb)

183 "Chaos At Georgia Six Flags As Violent Mob Invades - Ends In Shootout With Police "

I didn't think riot season had started here yet. Must be global warming.

I had a season pass for a couple years but will never set foot in their parks again. They refuse or can't control the yutes, probably out of fear, ruining it for normal people with kids.

Posted by: Ripley at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (JojsZ)

184 Now, if you had the humans as computers, where the AI is using the brains as its processing chips? That could make sense.

My observation of most people suggests this would not work.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (CsUN+)

185 Carly Simon had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/yevekam4
Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (oCjPU)

And a bigass mouth.
Posted by: Bigmouth Billy Bass at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

Yeah, but imagine what she could do with that mouth!!!???

Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (W/lyH)

186 The human body, at peak output, can barely power a 100 watt light bulb.
A fuel source? By AI that has no "earf first!" BS preventing it from massive nuke power plants? So, so so stupid.

Now, if you had the humans as computers, where the AI is using the brains as its processing chips? That could make sense.

Read an argument the other day that the AI in the Matrix was using humans to generate content to keep improving its models. I see in the real world we have a conflict with the AI companies wanting access to more and more human generated content...so that would be believable. Perhaps Morpheus and co misunderstood what sort of "powering" the AI was getting from its subjects...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (ibTVg)

187 lol, 100lbs of rice if you buy an EV. Should be 100 pounds of C4 to blow the piece of shit to hell.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 04, 2024 11:04 AM (VwHCD)

If you buy a water buffalo, they give you a barrel of 91 octane.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (tkR6S)

188 Yeah, but imagine what she could do with that mouth!!!???
Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (W/lyH)
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I don't need to imagine. I leave that shit for John Lennon.

Posted by: Mick Jagger at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (HnUIn)

189 185 Carly Simon had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/yevekam4
Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (oCjPU)

And a bigass mouth.
Posted by: Bigmouth Billy Bass at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

Yeah, but imagine what she could do with that mouth!!!???
Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (W/lyH)

Eat corn on the cob vertically?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (KbCG3)

190 Manual transmissions get better mileage than autos. Most of my cars have been manual. More efficient and generally safer.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

That may have been true at some point in the past, it's not now. Also, you can't pop a clutch and beat automatic in a 1/2 mile any more.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (IG4Id)

191 The Flex and the Honda... What was their extremely boxy SUV from the Fit era (also a fantastic car/design for maximizing space) were both really great cars for folks that needed a do-everything car but didn't want a truck.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (Yui9f)

192 Yeah, but imagine what she could do with that mouth!!!???
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Agree, she did sing pretty well.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (fs1hN)

193 EVs? In Sweden?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:24 AM (J2vNu)

But they're wearing lederhosen!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:26 AM

Ja, for sure, from Sweden.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (5sOEG)

194 EVs? In Sweden?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024
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But they're wearing lederhosen!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024

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Don't forget colorful ski-sweater patterns on the upholstery

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (J2vNu)

195 173 151 NY Post: Bud Light’s Dylan Mulvaney fiasco cost Anheuser-Busch more than $1B in sales last year

In North America, organic revenue — seen as the best measure of operating performance — nosedived a staggering $1.4 billion in 2023, “primarily due to the volume declined of Bud Light,” according to CNN, citing the brewer’s fourth-quarter earnings report

https://tinyurl.com/2vh4mcnj
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:27 AM (iFTx/)

The face that launched a billion in losses.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 04, 2024 11:29 AM (KbCG3)
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Yea. Although I continue to believe what really got the boycott fired up was that obnoxious incompetent twat Alisha something-or-other who publicly shat all over Bud Light's customer base.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (iFTx/)

196 Buy a Car, Get a Check Bag of Rice

Back in the '80s, I think, some camera store had a promotion where if you bought some ungodly-expensive Leica lens, they threw in a VW Fox. Which seems like a punishment rather than an incentive, but there you go.
Posted by: spindrift

Back in the 80's, a bank, iirc, in Colorado, gave you a high end rifle if you dropped a $5k cd with them.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (JpKTL)

197
Loni Anderson had serious headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/wuhztepu

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (oCjPU)

198 Ford would toss in a bottom-spec/fleet-spec Focus if you bought one of the gigantic SUVs (Excursion or Expedition).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (HnUIn)

My oldest is going to be driving soon - that sort of deal would be nice right about now.

Posted by: Impudent Warwick at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (f/6Wb)

199 "According to the GBI, Cobb County police fired shots after an attempt to remove the group from the property led some of the teens to shoot at police." "

Let us go back in time.

Back almost exactly one year.

https://tinyurl.com/3kh57nch

And apparently, an earlier shooting with fatalities on opening weekend, a year before that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (a1415)

200 Except that the Flex, while boxy and odd looking, is also very cool. I understand that I am entirely in the minority on this, but I always thought the Flex had something of an "X Factor." I can't explain it, I just like them and always have. It is exactly what it is and makes no bones about it.

Rivians, on the other hand, are uglier than hammered sin.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)

The Flex had decent power, LOTS of interior room and handled really well, being low to the ground and a wide footprint.

It should couldn't overcome the curse of the Family Truckster.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

201 179 People. Would there by any chance be any distinguishing characteristics of these people?
____

Would you accept 'youths'?
-Media
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (fs1hN)

Did you say Yoots?

Posted by: The Honorable Chamberlain Haller at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (TTAGa)

202 135 Merc's were just re-badged Fords with 10c of upgrades that priced out at $4000 on the sticker.

Posted by: weft cut-loop
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There was a time when the Big 3's lineup of cars were distinctly different. Not certain about Chrysler but Ford and Chevy had different plants and engineers and designers that competed with each other within the company.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (bs59e)

203 One more reason I will.continue to keep my diesel truck
Friend loaned me a gas Suburban while my truck was being pained. I can drive my truck for a month on what it cost me to put a half a tank of gas in that gas guzzler.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (m1Uxm)

204 The EV companies going bankrupt presents another problem for EV owners. They can't get replacement parts and service is almost impossible. Sanctimony and virtue signaling go boink when faced with reality.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (58LrU)

205 "Chaos At Georgia Six Flags As Violent Mob Invades - Ends In Shootout With Police "

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Say, remember that Alabama urban band director that decided he would fight the cops and got tased after he insisted on staying for 20 minutes after the *away* game was over and having his band blare out their songs in the stadium/neighborhood of their urban opposition?

I wonder if those cops knew something he hadn't considered?

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (Yui9f)

206 I don't get it. Government interference in the market NEVER goes wrong like this!!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 04, 2024 11:35 AM (N1tpc)

207 183 "Chaos At Georgia Six Flags As Violent Mob Invades - Ends In Shootout With Police "

I didn't think riot season had started here yet. Must be global warming.

I had a season pass for a couple years but will never set foot in their parks again. They refuse or can't control the yutes, probably out of fear, ruining it for normal people with kids.

Posted by: Ripley
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Six Flags would do better for its brand by closing the Atlanta park or moving it well away from the urban area.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:35 AM (bk5GW)

208 I hear Ford's coming out with a new transmission called SCOTUS...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (IG4Id)

209 One more reason I will.continue to keep my diesel truck
Friend loaned me a gas Suburban while my truck was being pained. I can drive my truck for a month on what it cost me to put a half a tank of gas in that gas guzzler.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (m1Uxm)

Wait.....You're getting Ole' Blue painted?!?!?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)

210 Woohoo! The Washington State guv'ner is about to sign into law the State's tattletale law. If you've been butt hurt by someone and that causes you harm, you can call the hot line and without even revealing your name, they will come and arrest the miscreant, who then faces a $100k fine and five years in prison.
Fuckin' state Stasi.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (W/lyH)

211 A ton of auto manufacturers came and went in the 1910s and 1920s. Granted they didn’t get billions from tax payers. But still the pattern was similar. Lots of entrants in the market lots of failure until a handful of companies became dominant.

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (bWsRe)

212 The above is why I practice truth telling. Because lying gets easier and easier.

I know think of Ford and the Government as 14 year old teenage boys who lie.

Posted by: DOYLE at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (Z8Yh2)

213
Ann Margret had headlight issues (while visiting Stonehenge, apparently)
https://tinyurl.com/3nus3b7d

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (oCjPU)

214 Yea. Although I continue to believe what really got the boycott fired up was that obnoxious incompetent twat Alisha something-or-other who publicly shat all over Bud Light's customer base.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (iFTx/)

She could've groveled and it wouldn't have mattered to me.

When you put that thing on a can and accompany it with, "Celebrating 365 days of womanhood," or whatever it was, you've lost me. You don't get to insult the women in my life like that.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (KbCG3)

215 That may have been true at some point in the past, it's not now. Also, you can't pop a clutch and beat automatic in a 1/2 mile any more.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 04, 2024 11:32 AM (IG4Id)
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Yeah. Modern automatics with lots of gears, electronic control and integration into the management system more than offset the weight penalty when it comes to efficiency.

The downside is that they're shockingly expensive when they fail. An old-fashioned 4-speed automatic gearbox with overdrive is downright cheap to replace in comparison. The full freight on a replacement for one of those - the new transmission and all the labor to replace it - is often meaningfully less than just the new transmission on one of the newer systems. They sure are efficient and smooth and great at delivering power, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (HnUIn)

216 Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (fs1hN)

Did you say Yoots?
Posted by: The Honorable Chamberlain Haller
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It's pronounced "Mardle". No relation to that "Mar-Tell" guy.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (fs1hN)

217 What on earth makes you think that abject market failure and the collapse of large chunks of the industry will prevent mandates?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:28 AM (HnUIn)

Mandates ?

As in "that's a MAN Baby !"

Posted by: JT at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (T4tVD)

218 By what contortion of logic is the President not 'an officer of the United States' ?
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Going back to basics - President is analogous to 'King' - He is the fvcking government.
He may not be able to dictate law or judge cases like an absolute monarch, and not King for life, but he is the government.

The cheap about Trump persecution will fall for similar reasons - a forth tier 'prosecuter' cannot prosecute the King as all the power flows from the King to his officers.

State suits? Supremacy- Cannot sue the Federal Government w/o it's permission (petition Ok under the 1st).

Silly crap the perv judge has been pulling? Violation of civil rights under color of law. The law was written for judges like that.
Trump, when elected, can order his imprisonment until trial for just that. Then trial in four years, sentence with labor to pay off (x4) what he illegally fined citizen Trump...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (pUIaK)

219 6 flags moving in on Chuck E Cheese for Xtra curriculars?

Posted by: A dude in MI at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (/6GbT)

220 Say, remember that Alabama urban band director that decided he would fight the cops and got tased after he insisted on staying for 20 minutes after the *away* game was over and having his band blare out their songs in the stadium/neighborhood of their urban opposition?

I wonder if those cops knew something he hadn't considered?
Posted by: Nikki Haley's

Yes, that was in Birmingham which has horrendous problems with 'yutes' shooting each other for whatever 'dis' respect they claim.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (bk5GW)

221 Back in the 80's, a bank, iirc, in Colorado, gave you a high end rifle if you dropped a $5k cd with them.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (JpKTL)

I believe Michael Moore covered this, sort of, in one of his award-winning documentaries.

Posted by: Impudent Warwick at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (f/6Wb)

222 It should couldn't overcome the curse of the Family Truckster.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
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I always viewed the Flex as something like the true contemporary station wagon.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (HnUIn)

223 Off topic but I went over to Facebook and looked at my local propaganda rags website. The usual leftist suspects are losing their marbles in the comment section . Cue Nelson Muntz

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (58LrU)

224

Flash bang.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (J8LnB)

225 There was a time when the Big 3's lineup of cars were distinctly different. Not certain about Chrysler but Ford and Chevy had different plants and engineers and designers that competed with each other within the company.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024

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GM's divisions competed and tried new features to appeal to the public. It was Oldsmobile, not Cadillac, that I think pioneered the "twilight sentinel" headlight deal most cars have now, where the lights remain on for a time after you shut the engine off so as to light your way to your front door.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (J2vNu)

226 I went to the Six Flags over Georgia when I was a kid . Don't remember any shootouts.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM (MNhXM)

227 Ann Margret had headlight issues (while visiting Stonehenge, apparently)
https://tinyurl.com/3nus3b7d
Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:36 AM (oCjPU)
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She could do some stone etching if she'd like.

Posted by: WisRich at March 04, 2024 11:38 AM (G0vdT)

228 The "headlight issue" Ford is refering to is the 'deer in the headlights' look that has been seen in the sales meetings.

Posted by: ed in texas at March 04, 2024 11:38 AM (aRhta)

229 One more reason I will.continue to keep my diesel truck
Friend loaned me a gas Suburban while my truck was being pained. I can drive my truck for a month on what it cost me to put a half a tank of gas in that gas guzzler.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (m1Uxm)

Your truck was being pained ?

Was Yoko singing to it ?

Posted by: JT at March 04, 2024 11:38 AM (T4tVD)

230 What I don't understand about EV's is why do they all have that smug-dorky look like a Prius? Can't they just make them look normal? Tesla Model S looks pretty cool but the rest of their line still look like a slightly less annoying Prius. WTF?

Posted by: Ripley at March 04, 2024 11:39 AM (JojsZ)

231 200 Except that the Flex, while boxy and odd looking, is also very cool. I understand that I am entirely in the minority on this, but I always thought the Flex had something of an "X Factor." I can't explain it, I just like them and always have. It is exactly what it is and makes no bones about it.

Rivians, on the other hand, are uglier than hammered sin.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)

The Flex had decent power, LOTS of interior room and handled really well, being low to the ground and a wide footprint.

It should couldn't overcome the curse of the Family Truckster.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
_______

Dumb name too. The "Ford Flex"? What idiot came up with that? The same clown who came up with the Ford (anal) Probe those years ago?

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)

232 200 Except that the Flex, while boxy and odd looking, is also very cool. I understand that I am entirely in the minority on this, but I always thought the Flex had something of an "X Factor." I can't explain it, I just like them and always have. It is exactly what it is and makes no bones about it.

Rivians, on the other hand, are uglier than hammered sin.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Read PJ O'Rourke's review of the Flex.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024 11:39 AM (bs59e)

233 "Ah, but that's the thing. You as a driver can choose to stay in 3rd gear on a fun road, while the auto with 10 gears will constantly search for improved MPG without the teensiest concern for annoyances or driving enjoyment. "

Mrs VIA's little 2013 Miata with the 6 speed auto does not have a setting for sport.

But....it knows.

You tickle it with the go peddle and brake enough, and it changes everything about how the transmission shifts. Including holding gears longer, and downshifting when you brake hard for a turn.

Shifts as well as I can, and almost exactly the same way that I would,

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:39 AM (a1415)

234 225 There was a time when the Big 3's lineup of cars were distinctly different. Not certain about Chrysler but Ford and Chevy had different plants and engineers and designers that competed with each other within the company.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024

They competed with each other to make the biggest pieces of shit possible. If the transmission died before 50k miles you won. I guess?

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:39 AM (bWsRe)

235
Dumb name too. The "Ford Flex"? What idiot came up with that? The same clown who came up with the Ford (anal) Probe those years ago?
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)

The Probe with the 24v V-6 was a pretty sweet ride. Just, their thought it would replace the Mustang, was a really really stupid one.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)

236 You missed a chance to dance on his EV grave

Posted by: browndog

Pretty sure old Joe Xiden is alive and well and posting prolifically. Though not in this thread.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (hCzfy)

237 People. Would there by any chance be any distinguishing characteristics of these people?
Posted by: JackStraw
=======
'Yutes' of a particular demographic that will never be mentioned in a news story.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (bk5GW)

238 Speaking of headlights, can we get a ban on headlights that produce enough light to blind drivers in the other lane?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (ibTVg)

239 210 Woohoo! The Washington State guv'ner is about to sign into law the State's tattletale law. If you've been butt hurt by someone and that causes you harm, you can call the hot line and without even revealing your name, they will come and arrest the miscreant, who then faces a $100k fine and five years in prison.
Fuckin' state Stasi.
_____

Red States need to start creating hostage rescue teams that go into these fascist states like Washington to exfiltrate their citizens who fall afoul of these evil laws. If you are a Washington resident though, tough luck.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (fs1hN)

240 Worth a mention...
Hunter Biden was "gifted" a Fiskar car, when they were a major "Social Symbol" and re-selling for nearly double the sticker price because of rarity and Bling factors.
From the same Chinese "Client" that also slipped him several loose diamonds to recruit him(because he is SUCH a well known and competent Lawyer)
He drove it only a couple of times, gave it back to them and asked for a Porsche instead, they immediately got him a Porsche...and he immediately posted video of him driving it at over 100mph while smoking crack.

Posted by: birdog at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (SFGDK)

241 EV's. The mood rings of the 20's.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (4p0Xq)

242
I've owned more than a dozen cars in my life and the 2014 Ford Flex is the best of the bunch.

The electric bust has happened after Ford dissolved the power train and engine development divisions. I don't see them being in business by 2030.

Posted by: Auspex at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (j4U/Z)

243 imprisonment until trial for just that. Then trial in four years, sentence with labor to pay off (x4) what he illegally fined citizen Trump...

STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the Struggle to maintain Moron standards at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (PkYxy)

244 EV's. The mood rings of the 20's.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (4p0Xq)

More like the 'pet rock.'

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (Zz0t1)

245 https://images.app.goo.gl/nfW1zTiUwjGYjq1m8

Liz Claman has massive headlight issues when she was hot.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (ufFY8)

246
“Lucid Motors sold just 6,001 cars in 2023” [Tech Crunch – 01/11/2024]

------------

Please tell me that their business plan was titled "Lucid Dreaming." Lie to me if you must ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (4jl6/)

247 241 EV's. The mood rings of the 20's.
----------------------
Moar like flaming Pet Rocks.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (FmapG)

248 People. Would there by any chance be any distinguishing characteristics of these people?
____

Would you accept 'youths'?
-Media
Posted by: Chuck Martel

Did you say Yoots?
Posted by: The Honorable Chamberlain Haller

And yet somehow, these jamokes are 'underserved'. Undeserved, wide-ranging benefits, if you ask me.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (nCaYE)

249 150
‘ led some of the teens to shoot at police." ’

Ha. That takes me back. I remember my teen years. We’d all get together and fire at some cops.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (jbnUc)

250 Headlights schmeadlights, trying being stuck in traffic behind an Escalade. I'd like to shoot the entire production team due to the tailights. Not one of them thought they tailights might be an issue in traffic.

Posted by: DOYLE at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (Z8Yh2)

251 This busty brunette in a dress is still on the fence when it comes to EVs:
http://tiny.cc/91y5xz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (HnUIn)

252 38 Speaking of headlights, can we get a ban on headlights that produce enough light to blind drivers in the other lane?
Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (ibTVg)

How about my light bar ?

Posted by: Jeep or sooper pickup at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (/6GbT)

253 Back in the 80's, a bank, iirc, in Colorado, gave you a high end rifle if you dropped a $5k cd with them.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 04, 2024 11:33 AM (JpKTL)

I believe Michael Moore covered this, sort of, in one of his award-winning documentaries.
Posted by: Impudent Warwick

Michigan. Gift certificate at sporting goods store.
They advertised 'free gun' but it was really a gift cert you could put towards whatever

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (pUIaK)

254 You missed a chance to dance on his EV grave

Posted by: browndog
-

Pretty sure old Joe Xiden is alive and well and posting prolifically. Though not in this thread.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor

--

?

He's posted twice in this thread already.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (Yui9f)

255 226 I went to the Six Flags over Georgia when I was a kid . Don't remember any shootouts.
Posted by: Burnt Umber
========
When you went, it wasn't "Vibrant" is my guess.

To misquote Yogi, Nobody goes there anymore; it is too crowded with yutes fighting.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (bk5GW)

256 I for the life of me will never understand why anyone buys a UAW made car/truck. Glutton for punishment maybe?

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (bWsRe)

257 Flex, something that looks cool out of a cartoon but is flexable to use as an SUV except that it had a low, high center and was less than 4' between the wheel wells. Didn't meet full size SUV specs.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (bs59e)

258 The electric bust has happened after Ford dissolved the power train and engine development divisions. I don't see them being in business by 2030.
Posted by: Auspex at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (j4U/Z)

Military time ?

Posted by: JT at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (T4tVD)

259 Didn't Rivian lose a significant number of engineers and executives last year? I mean, Rivian's demise has been going on for a while.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 04, 2024 11:43 AM (Q4IgG)

260 Flex, something that looks cool out of a cartoon but is flexable to use as an SUV except that it had a low, high center and was less than 4' between the wheel wells. Didn't meet full size SUV specs.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (bs59e)
++++
It was never supposed to. It was a station wagon, not an SUV.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:43 AM (HnUIn)

261 The Left are cognitive dissonance zombies.

They insist States do not have the right to enforce their borders from an illegal immigrant invasion but do believe states have the the right to usurp the Federal government contrary to specific language in the constitution.

Same example can be used on their positions on sanctuary cities and cooperation with ICE.

They are all psychopaths. Everyone of them.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 11:43 AM (MNhXM)

262 Sponge, painted. minor body work and a new headliner.
Looks brand new!

Posted by: Ben Had at March 04, 2024 11:43 AM (m1Uxm)

263
Michigan. Gift certificate at sporting goods store.
They advertised 'free gun' but it was really a gift cert you could put towards whatever
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (pUIaK)

Nah. Didn't he do "Bowling for Columbine" where he lied and played up that rifle giveaway up by removing it from the box after getting it and acting a fool leaving the bank?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:44 AM (Zz0t1)

264 Sponge, painted. minor body work and a new headliner.
Looks brand new!
Posted by: Ben Had at March 04, 2024 11:43 AM (m1Uxm)

Can't wait to see it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:44 AM (Zz0t1)

265 “Lucid Motors sold just 6,001 cars in 2023” [Tech Crunch – 01/11/2024]

-

All the non-Tesla EV sales added together don't reach the level of the Honda Civic annual sales.

Tesla is a luxury car / statement. Those folks are cross shopping Porsche Cayennes, not Accords.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:44 AM (Yui9f)

266 210 Woohoo! The Washington State guv'ner is about to sign into law the State's tattletale law. If you've been butt hurt by someone and that causes you harm, you can call the hot line and without even revealing your name, they will come and arrest the miscreant, who then faces a $100k fine and five years in prison.

have they considered just setting up post boxes with rotating blue lights upon them so people can anonymously deposit denunciations?

Posted by: montag at March 04, 2024 11:44 AM (sGtp+)

267 This EV disaster for the state of Georgia made me laugh so heartily, especially since Governor Brian Kemp pissed away 1.5 billion of his state's tax dollars. That's some well deserved karma. Eat a bucket of shit, Kemp!

Posted by: Tracy at March 04, 2024 11:45 AM (VcOSm)

268 It was never supposed to. It was a station wagon, not an SUV.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:43 AM (HnUIn)

Didn’t it have 3rd row seats though? That’s where the suv/wagon DMZ is. If it has a 3rd row it’s a suv.

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:45 AM (bWsRe)

269 235
Dumb name too. The "Ford Flex"? What idiot came up with that? The same clown who came up with the Ford (anal) Probe those years ago?
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)

The Probe with the 24v V-6 was a pretty sweet ride. Just, their thought it would replace the Mustang, was a really really stupid one.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
________

I was a sales manager in a Ford store at the time and had one as a demo. It was a nice car, and ahead of its time in terms of features and styling. The Mazda MX6 sister car was nice as well. But the marketing was terrible, the name was crap, and small, sporty, 2-seat cars were falling out of favor.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

270 This busty brunette in a dress is still on the fence when it comes to EVs:
http://tiny.cc/91y5xz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (HnUIn)

Great googily boobigly.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

271 How soon before they have a Cash For Clunkers for EV's?

I point and laugh.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 04, 2024 11:45 AM (/SHEi)

272 Woohoo! The Washington State guv'ner is about to sign into law the State's tattletale law. If you've been butt hurt by someone and that causes you harm, you can call the hot line and without even revealing your name, they will come and arrest the miscreant, who then faces a $100k fine and five years in prison.
Fuckin' state Stasi.
_____

Red States need to start creating hostage rescue teams that go into these fascist states like Washington to exfiltrate their citizens who fall afoul of these evil laws. If you are a Washington resident though, tough luck.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 11:40 AM (fs1hN)
***

Setting up the Resistance will be fun.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 11:46 AM (W/lyH)

273 Folks around here just love to put those damn Harbor Freight light bars on their stuff.

Down low...up high...one even sheet metal screwed one across the hood of their Ford Focus.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:46 AM (a1415)

274 >>126 114 Carly Simon had headlight issues
https://tinyurl.com/yevekam4
Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (oCjPU)

And a bigass mouth.
Posted by: Bigmouth Billy Bass at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

All I could look at was her freakishly long hand. That's some Slender Man shit.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 04, 2024 11:46 AM (IGKzA)

275 Didn’t it have 3rd row seats though? That’s where the suv/wagon DMZ is. If it has a 3rd row it’s a suv.
Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:45 AM (bWsRe)
++++
Odd distinction. Minivans have a third row. So did some older station wagons (usually two seats facing the rear window).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:47 AM (HnUIn)

276 Woohoo! The Washington State guv'ner is about to sign into law the State's tattletale law. If you've been butt hurt by someone and that causes you harm, you can call the hot line and without even revealing your name, they will come and arrest the miscreant, who then faces a $100k fine and five years in prison.

have they considered just setting up post boxes with rotating blue lights upon them so people can anonymously deposit denunciations?
Posted by: montag at March 04, 2024 11:44 AM (sGtp+)
***

The first version of the Bill had a payment for very conviction. $2000 to the person who reported it.
They took that our in the second version. Too obvious.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 11:47 AM (W/lyH)

277 http://tiny.cc/91y5xz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM (HnUIn)

Dammit, no matter how I tilt my phone I still can't see up her skirt.

Posted by: Robert at March 04, 2024 11:47 AM (1Yy3c)

278 https://tinyurl.com/yevekam4
Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:21 AM (oCjPU)

And a bigass mouth.
Posted by: Bigmouth Billy Bass at March 04, 2024 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

All I could look at was her freakishly long hand. That's some Slender Man shit.
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 04, 2024 11:46 AM (IGKzA)

Her face reminds me of Stuffy Steffy (Jacqueline McInnes-Wood).

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (ufFY8)

279 What the world needs is another Aztek.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (FmapG)

280 When I think of Carly Simon all I can picture is a bottle of Heinz Ketchup being poured slowly.

All those over 29 will know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (MNhXM)

281 How soon before they have a Cash For Clunkers for EV's?

I point and laugh.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 04, 2024 11:45 AM (/SHEi)

It'll be a Change for Clunkers.

Posted by: JT at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (T4tVD)

282 EV's. The mood rings of the 20's.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (4p0Xq)

I guess they'll all come in blue.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 04, 2024 11:49 AM (VwHCD)

283 Yeah the old 80s box wagons had those weird bench things in the way back. But I’m talking actual seats. To me and/w with 3rd row seating isn’t a thing. Im a yuuuge wagon fan. BMW 5-series, Audi Avant and allroad, MB e-class, all wicked awesome wagons. And weirdly enough Buick makes a really cool looking one, not sure what it’s called. But I’ve seen one around town and was like whaaaa? That’s a Buick? So kudos to GM for that one.

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:49 AM (bWsRe)

284 ++++
It was never supposed to. It was a station wagon, not an SUV.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
----------------------------

Standard station wagons had 4' between the wheel wells.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024 11:49 AM (bs59e)

285 Rolling Stone
@RollingStone
EXCLUSIVE: Under Donald Trump, the White House Medical Unit was “like the Wild West.” The place was “awash in speed” and Xanax, and senior and mid-level staff had easy access to powerful stimulants and sedatives.

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The Biden White House, on the other hand, pure as the driven snow.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 04, 2024 11:49 AM (FVME7)

286 All those over 29 will know what I'm talking about.
Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (MNhXM)

It's making me wait.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 04, 2024 11:49 AM (ufFY8)

287 How soon before they have a Cash For Clunkers for EV's?

I point and laugh.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Instead of sand in the crankcase it will be salt water in the battery.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:49 AM (pUIaK)

288 238 Speaking of headlights, can we get a ban on headlights that produce enough light to blind drivers in the other lane?

Maybe 30 years ago I remember some news-type show sneering at drivers in Russia, who used only their parking lights at night "because they think the headlights might shine in someone's eyes and cause an accident."

Ahead of their time, those Russkies.

Posted by: Impudent Warwick at March 04, 2024 11:51 AM (f/6Wb)

289 279 What the world needs is another Aztek.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (FmapG)

ZOD would agree ...

Posted by: browndog knapping obsidian blades at March 04, 2024 11:51 AM (TTAGa)

290 This news makes my headlights go on.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 04, 2024 11:51 AM (w6EFb)

291 There’s also the Panamera Tourismo, which is wagon-esque option. Looks kinda weird at first but it’s grown on me.

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:51 AM (bWsRe)

292 The Flex is the Kaboom of station wagons. It tells the world you have given up and are ready for mom jeans and a life of celibacy and despair.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (LkLld)

293 133 "Bad Cop" Biden Trots Out "Bad Cop" Harris To Issue Biting Criticism Of Israel & 'Inhumane' Conditions In Gaza

Her call for 6-week ceasefire comes as Israelis boycott Cairo talks
Posted by: SMOD
--
Of course, FJB had his kids' Jewish in-laws & partially Jewish grandchildren to use for past votes. (Not to mention Hunter's Jewish tattoo matching what's her name's - the one who had the boy - after she & Hunter were reported to have married. Yay!)

And so, Crazy K plays her part as she was always intended to play:
Kamala Harris Facebook
June 1, 2020
If you’re able to, chip in now to the Minnesota Freedom Fund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota.
---
How dare neither ALL Hamas hostages wouldn't be released nor would Sinwar be turned over to the IDF! (Not one box of cereal should be dropped until, imho.)

And also never forget, "The Hamas-led attacks in southern Israel on October 7 targeted Israelis, but migrant workers in Israel were also killed and taken hostage. Their families are grieving for them halfway around the world in Thailand, Nepal, the Philippines, and Cambodia." HRW dot org. Nov 3, 2023

Posted by: L - We're done for now. We just don't have the guts to turn off the lights on the show at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (GshMh)

294 Rolling Stone
@RollingStone
EXCLUSIVE: Under Donald Trump, the White House Medical Unit was “like the Wild West.” The place was “awash in speed” and Xanax, and senior and mid-level staff had easy access to powerful stimulants and sedatives.

Projection.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (Rls1J)

295 What the world needs is another Aztek.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Aztec inspired the style of the Tesla truck.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (pUIaK)

296 I've never heard of EV manufacturers Fisker and Lucid. (Sounds like a firm of slip-and-fall injury lawyers.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:07 AM (J2vNu)

They also sell scissors and try to convince you not to run with them.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (D7oie)

297 276 Woohoo! The Washington State guv'ner is about to sign into law the State's tattletale law. If you've been butt hurt by someone and that causes you harm, you can call the hot line and without even revealing your name, they will come and arrest the miscreant, who then faces a $100k fine and five years in prison.

have they considered just setting up post boxes with rotating blue lights upon them so people can anonymously deposit denunciations?
Posted by: montag at March 04, 2024 11:44 AM (sGtp+)
***

The first version of the Bill had a payment for very conviction. $2000 to the person who reported it.
They took that our in the second version. Too obvious.
Posted by: Diogenes
======
I have two words for that law: Malicious compliance.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (bk5GW)

298 Heh! EV’s. Piss poor investment. I bought a mint Savage model 99 in 300 Savage Saturday. $1100. Two guys tried to buy it before I left the gun show. As investments go, I think I will do better than the virtue signaling imbeciles buying EV’s.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (kzHlT)

299 The Flex is the Kaboom of station wagons. It tells the world you have given up and are ready for mom jeans and a life of celibacy and despair.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (LkLld)
++++
No wonder I like them so much. They're the final part.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (HnUIn)

300 This sin't good.

Houthi rebels have actually sunk a freighter.

Ratchet goes *Click* one more time.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (a1415)

301 What the world needs is another Aztek.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Oh come on, have a heart!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (nCaYE)

302 279 What the world needs is another Aztek.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (FmapG)
__________

We talked about that once before in the comments. The Aztek is a legendary ass-fucking clusterfuck of a car and product launch.

But . . . the concept car was pretty cool and the idea of the car -- a small, SUV-ish, kinda sporty car -- ended up being a huge market segment. It's what's now known as "crossovers."

Pontiac should have had a big hit on their hands. Instead they fucked a pig.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:53 AM (iFTx/)

303 Gov. Newsom announces new Hate Hotline so informants can report their neighbors to the state

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G-E-S-T-A-P-O!!! Gestapo! Gestapo! Gestapo!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 04, 2024 11:53 AM (FVME7)

304 The smaller clearance on the wheel wells lost them a piece of the market, the home handyman. When looking for a family car he would pass the Flex up on that alone.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024 11:53 AM (bs59e)

305
"headlight issues” is a euphemism for consumer rejection.

Hey, Ford, my eyes are up here.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 04, 2024 11:53 AM (xG4kz)

306 @RollingStone
EXCLUSIVE: Under Donald Trump, the White House Medical Unit was “like the Wild West.” The place was “awash in speed” and Xanax, and senior and mid-level staff had easy access to powerful stimulants and sedatives.

Projection.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (Rls1J)
++++
It's probably true.

It was also probably true under Obama. And Biden. And Bush 43.

It's also probably true in every other office, too.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (HnUIn)

307 Six Flags would do better for its brand by closing the Atlanta park or moving it well away from the urban area.
Posted by: whig

I watched some of those videos this morning. Feral behavior doesn't even begin to describe what was going on. I would close the park down and relocate. Every time the locals scream about this being discriminatory, play these videos.

Posted by: Cheri at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (oiNtH)

308 Biden's Disapproval Rating Soars To 59%, Finally Leads Trump (52%) by 7%

Posted by: SMOD at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (RHGPo)

309 204 The EV companies going bankrupt presents another problem for EV owners. They can't get replacement parts and service is almost impossible. Sanctimony and virtue signaling go boink when faced with reality.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 04, 2024 11:34 AM (58LrU)

Even now, when you can get parts and service, it's gonna cost you ($42k for a fender bender):

https://tinyurl.com/yc3dec6m

I've talked to this guy in real life, so I'm convinced it happened. And, yes, his truck is ugly, even after a $42,000 makeover.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (v23vE)

310 Ace must be working on a flaming scrotum for the SCROTUS Decision.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (pUIaK)

311 292 The Flex is the Kaboom of station wagons. It tells the world you have given up and are ready for mom jeans and a life of celibacy and despair.
Posted by: JackStraw
======
I view vehicles as transportation not as a personal identity.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (bk5GW)

312 Instead, Mercedes says that “customers and market conditions will set the pace of the transformation.” In 2024, at least, “market conditions” aren’t looking great for EVs.

What customer and market conditions were in place when you decided to go all EV? Show your work.

Posted by: olddog in mo at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (ViCCR)

313 https://images.app.goo.gl/nfW1zTiUwjGYjq1m8

Liz Claman has massive headlight issues when she was hot.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 04, 2024 11:41 AM (ufFY

---------------

[A blast from the past:]

After videos & stills appeared of Finland's party-girl PM Sanna Marin a couple of years ago, my comment was --

Old & Busted: Heads of State.
New Hotness:Headlights of State.

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 11:55 AM (RanBs)

314 Yeah the Aztek could have been a home run for GM. Every other car on the road today has the general body type of the Aztek. It was the OH crossover. They just uglified the shit out of it for some reason.

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:55 AM (bWsRe)

315 Same example can be used on their positions on sanctuary cities and cooperation with ICE.

They are all psychopaths. Everyone of them.
Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 11:43 AM (MNhXM)

It is "the will to Calvinball"

Posted by: Kindltot at March 04, 2024 11:55 AM (D7oie)

316 When I was working in a traveling band I rented a Flex. 6 guys plus luggage and instruments, no problem. I loved it. Wasn't good with gas but split 6 ways it was OK.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 04, 2024 11:55 AM (MeG8a)

317 Except that the Flex, while boxy and odd looking, is also very cool. I understand that I am entirely in the minority on this, but I always thought the Flex had something of an "X Factor." I can't explain it, I just like them and always have. It is exactly what it is and makes no bones about it.

Rivians, on the other hand, are uglier than hammered sin.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)

I share your appreciation of the Flex, and once considered buying one, but I am spoiled by owning Suburbans. The Rivian I saw last week overtook us on the 202 freeway, and I was riding shotgun, so did not get a look at its front. The rear was unremarkable.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 04, 2024 11:55 AM (tkR6S)

318 Flash bang.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at March 04, 2024 11:37 AM

QUACK BANG

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (zPD+C)

319 I watched some of those videos this morning. Feral behavior doesn't even begin to describe what was going on. I would close the park down and relocate. Every time the locals scream about this being discriminatory, play these videos.
Posted by: Cheri

Now imagine how these yutes behave in schools, rec centers, etc. Trayvon was into the same shit in high school and moving them around doesn't change the kid.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (bk5GW)

320 And weirdly enough Buick makes a really cool looking one, not sure what it’s called. But I’ve seen one around town and was like whaaaa? That’s a Buick? So kudos to GM for that one.
Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024

***
The Envision or Enclave, I think. The Encore is that little thing that looks like an athletic shoe on wheels.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (J2vNu)

321 My first car was a 9 year old 1967 Fairlane SW.

It got totaled when two chicks were talking to each other a slammed into my rear at full speed. I saw them coming in my rear view mirror and braced for impact.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (MNhXM)

322 On average, electric cars are much heavier than ICE cars (about 4,000 pounds compared to about 3,200 pounds) and thus create more wear on the road. Also, the extra weight means that guardrails and other safety features will need to be reinforced to contain electric cars.
Posted by: Hank Archer at March 04, 2024 11:20 AM (FrXDI)

...

Every parking garage is designed for 50 psf "live load".

There was a glitch in the matrix for a couple years where you were technically allowed to reduce that to 30 psf, if you were an ignoramous.

4000 lbs is probably still not an issue; even sedans probably cover about 80 square feet (checking--Prius is 73 sq ft so close). But it does push things up to the limit.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (z/ifB)

323 I watched some of those videos this morning. Feral behavior doesn't even begin to describe what was going on. I would close the park down and relocate. Every time the locals scream about this being discriminatory, play these videos.
Posted by: Cheri at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (oiNtH)
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Where can I find the videos.

Posted by: WisRich at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (G0vdT)

324 I share your appreciation of the Flex, and once considered buying one, but I am spoiled by owning Suburbans. The Rivian I saw last week overtook us on the 202 freeway, and I was riding shotgun, so did not get a look at its front. The rear was unremarkable.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 04, 2024 11:55 AM (tkR6S)
++++
The front is the nightmare.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (HnUIn)

325 299 The Flex is the Kaboom of station wagons. It tells the world you have given up and are ready for mom jeans and a life of celibacy and despair.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (LkLld)
++++
No wonder I like them so much. They're the final part.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
-----------------------

Our world. OK. appointment is calling, y'all have fun.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (bs59e)

326 What the world needs is another Aztek.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (FmapG)

***

Neighbor lady (prolly 29X4) has one and she plies the roadways around here at between 20 to 25 mph creating havoc wherever she is. The car is an unsightly orange to boot. Dreadful and annoying

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (ZV+pB)

327
Gee, why is it that the Hmong never nade themselves a pestilent nuisance in Minnesota?

Could it be the absence of Ice Lamb from their culture?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM (xG4kz)

328 "Biden's Disapproval Rating Soars To 59%, Finally Leads Trump (52%) by 7%"

Cherry on top would be the SC just releasing a statement saying that Biden's most recent student loan forgiveness plan is illegal.

Hey...a guy can wish, right?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:57 AM (a1415)

329 Gov. Newsom announces new Hate Hotline so informants can report their neighbors to the state

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G-E-S-T-A-P-O!!! Gestapo! Gestapo! Gestapo!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 04, 2024 11:53 AM (

Gestapo right there!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 04, 2024 11:58 AM (zPD+C)

330 "Bad Cop" Biden Trots Out "Bad Cop" Harris To Issue Biting Criticism Of Israel & 'Inhumane' Conditions In Gaza

Her call for 6-week ceasefire comes as Israelis boycott Cairo talks
Posted by: SMOD

Hamas launches thousands of mortars, rockets and artillery at Israel. They attack and kill over a thousand in a most brutal and vicious fashion. They take several hundred hostages, including Americans.
What does this administration do?
Demand a ceasefire.
Trash Israel.
Send aid to Hamas to include parachuting it is because Hamas was stealing the aid trucks when they entered Gaza. (Parachuting hides the theft.)
Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 11:58 AM (W/lyH)

331 This sin't good.

Houthi rebels have actually sunk a freighter.

Ratchet goes *Click* one more time.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (a1415)

Yeah, the Rubymar (I think) it has been listing, drifting, and taking water for a couple weeks now.

The What's Going On With Shipping guy has been covering this since it happened.

Bulk carrier (which is weird, because relatively low value) going to (?) Saudi Arabia(?). The Houthis lost their Iranian recon ship, so they are shooting at anything.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 04, 2024 11:58 AM (ufFY8)

332 >>I view vehicles as transportation not as a personal identity.

The automotive industry does not. They've been selling cars as personal identifiers for decades.

I was just kidding about the Flex. Friend of mine's parents had one and it was a nice cruiser for them but by and large people buy cars based on emotion as much as practicality.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 11:58 AM (LkLld)

333 BMW is building a battery mfg plant about a mile from my house....don't know anything about their EV sales.

--

Drove past it on Saturday. It is gargantuan. I mean, it's a massive, massive plant. Kinda mind-boggling.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 04, 2024 11:58 AM (mupln)

334 What customer and market conditions were in place when you decided to go all EV? Show your work.

Posted by: olddog in mo at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (ViCCR)

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* Extraordinary Popular Delusions, the Madness of Crowd, and Mass Formation Psychosis have entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 11:58 AM (RanBs)

335 Buick TourX is the wagon. It’s weird I never see it advertised. So typical of GM. They have a legit good looking car but nobody knows about it.

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:59 AM (bWsRe)

336 Astroworld ( six Flags) was overwhelmed with gangs also towards the end. They just leveled it and it turned into an outdoor concert area where the gangs and yutes continued to make trouble.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 11:59 AM (MNhXM)

337 Booming economy, no wars, low crime, preventing illegals...

What did people disapprove of Trump about to have him at levels similar to this intentional trainwreck Biden has managed?

(yes I know he said pussy)

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:59 AM (Yui9f)

338 *Madness of Crowds

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 11:59 AM (RanBs)

339 306 @RollingStone
EXCLUSIVE: Under Donald Trump, the White House Medical Unit was “like the Wild West.” The place was “awash in speed” and Xanax, and senior and mid-level staff had easy access to powerful stimulants and sedatives.

Projection.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (Rls1J)
++++
It's probably true.

It was also probably true under Obama. And Biden. And Bush 43.

It's also probably true in every other office, too.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (HnUIn)
____________

100% true across the board in every government office and agency. Government and politics is Hollywood for ugly people. There's just as much drugs and half-whores and yacht girls and will-suck-for-career-advancement in government as there is in Hollywood.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:59 AM (iFTx/)

340 I was just kidding about the Flex. Friend of mine's parents had one and it was a nice cruiser for them but by and large people buy cars based on emotion as much as practicality.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 11:58 AM (LkLld)
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I've only bought one brand-new car. I bought it based on market conditions and selected the one I liked best, but where I could also drive ruthless deal.

It'll probably be the onyl new car I ever own.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 11:59 AM (HnUIn)

341 The Flex is the Kaboom of station wagons. It tells the world you have given up and are ready for mom jeans and a life of celibacy and despair.
Posted by: JackStraw

There is a channel on youtube called savagegeese.

When they don't like a car their takedowns are truly hilarious and right along the lines of JS's take.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 04, 2024 12:00 PM (z/ifB)

342 What customer and market conditions were in place when you decided to go all EV? Show your work.

-

The government, led by California's unelected CARB, required it.

Next question.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:00 PM (Yui9f)

343 After the Fani defense team objected to her having to explain why she was talking to Wade at 1:30 AM. The judge overrules the objection, and says to Merchant: rephrase your question.

Merchant "What you talking about Willis?"

Fani: "We were talking about African politics.

Merchant: "So you're saying this was a Dijbouti call?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at March 04, 2024 12:00 PM (CecP5)

344 Ha. That takes me back. I remember my teen years. We’d all get together and fire at some cops.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 04, 2024 11:42 AM

Same, hey guys, let's go fishing, look at Mike's dads playboy and then go shoot at the cops!

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 04, 2024 12:00 PM (4p0Xq)

345 RollingStone
EXCLUSIVE: Under Donald Trump, the White House Medical Unit was “like the Wild West.” The place was “awash in speed” and Xanax, and senior and mid-level staff had easy access to powerful stimulants and sedatives.

But only one administration had cocaine and weed just lying around the White House.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (MNhXM)

346 >>I've only bought one brand-new car. I bought it based on market conditions and selected the one I liked best, but where I could also drive ruthless deal.

It'll probably be the onyl new car I ever own.

That's getting to be more of the norm but look around at all the guys driving their mid-life crisis. There isn't a hint of practicality about a 60 year old driving an 911 or a Vette.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (LkLld)

347 Keep covering EVs. Ford lost $4.7 billion on them last year and expects to lose $5 billion on EVs this, though Ford makes a profit overall. When I had a nice home in Florida, I saw a lot of Teslas - but they were in two-car garages with an ICE car.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (kII8+)

348 Where can I find the videos.
Posted by: WisRich

Here is one, goes to instagram. Much of the news footage does not include the behavior but is focusing on the shooting of the 15 yr old that was with a group shooting at police after being kicked out of the park.

https://tinyurl.com/2vj7tzy7

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (bk5GW)

349 310
‘ flaming scrotum’
Great Balls of Fire!

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (jbnUc)

350 I recently purchased a 2024 car. Not gonna say what because I don't need a debate. Staggering amount of electronics. Such as adaptive intelligent cruise control. Amazing stuff.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (MeG8a)

351 Buick TourX is the wagon. It’s weird I never see it advertised. So typical of GM. They have a legit good looking car but nobody knows about it.
Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024

***
I beleive that was the last non-SUV they made -- the successor to the Regal (which was a fun car, esp. in GS form. They just never let the public know about it).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (J2vNu)

352 Same, hey guys, let's go fishing, look at Mike's dads playboy and then go shoot at the cops!
Posted by: Minnfidel

don't forget the knife fights. just boys being boys.

Posted by: BruceWayne at March 04, 2024 12:02 PM (CIS44)

353 As far as I can tell, all the state of Georgia did was to give Rivian tax breaks. There was no cost, as such, ro the Georgia taxpayer.

Posted by: Patrick Carroll at March 04, 2024 12:02 PM (7Ozoq)

354 100% true across the board in every government office and agency. Government and politics is Hollywood for ugly people. There's just as much drugs and half-whores and yacht girls and will-suck-for-career-advancement in government as there is in Hollywood.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 11:59 AM (iFTx/)

Guarantee you that if you walk into your Congresscritter's office on any work day that at least one staffer will be hung over, and another will be stoned.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 12:02 PM (W/lyH)

355 Yeah the Aztek could have been a home run for GM. Every other car on the road today has the general body type of the Aztek. It was the OH crossover. They just uglified the shit out of it for some reason.
Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 11:55 AM (bWsRe)

It was designed and released under the CEO that was hired away from Bausch and Lomb, one of the very first high level CEOs hired because they were high level ceOs

On the other hand, the "U-Body" wheel base, and basic elements of the support were used in a number of other cars of the time like the Buick Rendevous which was much less ugly

Posted by: Kindltot at March 04, 2024 12:02 PM (D7oie)

356 I'm wondering what the best investments might be given a coming Trump victory in November. I suppose almost every sector of the economy and stock market will get a boost, but what "buy low now" opportunities look the best?

Posted by: Ordinary American at March 04, 2024 12:02 PM (eWDZa)

357 We should have a MoMe at Six Flags and show the world what Morons can do.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 04, 2024 12:02 PM (FmapG)

358 That's getting to be more of the norm but look around at all the guys driving their mid-life crisis. There isn't a hint of practicality about a 60 year old driving an 911 or a Vette.
Posted by: JackStraw

--

I think it's probably 60% old life crisis and 40% "I saved all this money and am going to die soon, so I'm going to enjoy a little bit of it."

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:02 PM (Yui9f)

359 The Flex is the Kaboom of station wagons. It tells the world you have given up and are ready for mom jeans and a life of celibacy and despair.
Posted by: JackStraw

Rather drive a Flex than a Miata or a Boxer.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 12:03 PM (MNhXM)

360 356 I'm wondering what the best investments might be given a coming Trump victory in November. I suppose almost every sector of the economy and stock market will get a boost, but what "buy low now" opportunities look the best?

actual, workable energy - oil and nat gas

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 04, 2024 12:03 PM (AcWfM)

361 350 I recently purchased a 2024 car. Not gonna say what because I don't need a debate. Staggering amount of electronics. Such as adaptive intelligent cruise control. Amazing stuff.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (MeG8a)

Real men don’t drive anything but cars with manual roll down windows, no A/c and everything analog!!!
- lots of peeps here

Posted by: Montec. at March 04, 2024 12:03 PM (bWsRe)

362 What the world needs is another Aztek.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 04, 2024 11:48 AM (FmapG)

***

Neighbor lady (prolly 29X4) has one and she plies the roadways around here at between 20 to 25 mph creating havoc wherever she is. The car is an unsightly orange to boot. Dreadful and annoying
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at March 04, 2024 11:56 AM

The car that was designed on a miter box. It looks like a Pinewood Derby car.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 04, 2024 12:04 PM (4p0Xq)

363 ‘ flaming scrotum’
Great Balls of Fire!
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM

Goodness, gracious.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 04, 2024 12:04 PM (zPD+C)

364
#SixFlagsSoWhite

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 04, 2024 12:04 PM (xG4kz)

365 >>Rather drive a Flex than a Miata or a Boxer.

I have no interest in a Miata but I would drive the crap out of Boxster. Awesome mid-engine design.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 12:04 PM (LkLld)

366 "Real men don’t drive anything but cars with manual roll down windows, no A/c and everything analog!!!"

You can buy those where?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 04, 2024 12:04 PM (MeG8a)

367 Booming economy, no wars, low crime, preventing illegals...

What did people disapprove of Trump about to have him at levels similar to this intentional trainwreck Biden has managed?

(yes I know he said pussy)

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 11:59 AM (Yui9f)

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Too much evil "White Privilege" and horrid American Exceptionalism for the self-loathing parasitoidal death cult that wants us all equal in misery & poverty.

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 12:04 PM (RanBs)

368
What did people disapprove of Trump about to have him at levels similar to this intentional trainwreck Biden has managed?

Honestly? The people that I know that don't like Trump are either:

1) Getting paid by the government and were worried that might end under Trump

2) Virtue signalling NPCs that echoed what the FNM told them

Posted by: 18-1 at March 04, 2024 12:04 PM (ibTVg)

369 I'm wondering what the best investments might be given a coming Trump victory in November. I suppose almost every sector of the economy and stock market will get a boost, but what "buy low now" opportunities look the best?
Posted by: Ordinary American at March 04, 2024 12:02 PM (eWDZa)

Home Depot will be good.
You can bet that if Trump wins the riots and city burning will be epic. Not to mention the Deep State sabotage of infrastructure.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 04, 2024 12:05 PM (W/lyH)

370 It Can be lunch time
As said I love stories with happy endings

Posted by: Skip at March 04, 2024 12:05 PM (552nR)

371 348 Where can I find the videos.
Posted by: WisRich

Here is one, goes to instagram. Much of the news footage does not include the behavior but is focusing on the shooting of the 15 yr old that was with a group shooting at police after being kicked out of the park.

https://tinyurl.com/2vj7tzy7
Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:01 PM (bk5GW)
__________

Three comments about the video:

1. Seems like it was a lot of girls fighting

2. Probably drug-fueled

3. Interesting that some of the comments were from black people and they were along the lines of "these people are savages, this is why I live in white areas"

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 12:05 PM (iFTx/)

372 This sin't good.

Houthi rebels have actually sunk a freighter.

Ratchet goes *Click* one more time.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 11:52 AM (a1415)

You know who this hurts the most? City of London is the center for most of the marine insurance. UK has trouble keeping their navy operational, and now they have to pay lots in damages.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 04, 2024 12:06 PM (D7oie)

373 I look for cars that I can drive and not drive for me. My wifes Tiguan is annoying as f*ck with all of the shit you have to disable before every drive.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at March 04, 2024 12:06 PM (ZV+pB)

374 Enjoy yer lunch Skip !

Posted by: JT at March 04, 2024 12:06 PM (T4tVD)

375 I recently purchased a 2024 car. Not gonna say what because I don't need a debate. Staggering amount of electronics. Such as adaptive intelligent cruise control. Amazing stuff.

Posted by: gourmand du jour

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You can't buy cars without it now. It's part of why they're so heavy.

The "adaptive cruise control" isn't for you. It's necessary/secondary for the required automatic emergency braking that the government requires.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:06 PM (Yui9f)

376 I am driving my 13 yo truck. Works great. I hate car payments.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 04, 2024 12:06 PM (NtVYv)

377 Are they mad that there were drugs, or are they mad that he shared the stash?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 04, 2024 12:06 PM (VoAdT)

378 I would love a Boxster, way easier to park than a truck, faster too

Posted by: Skip at March 04, 2024 12:06 PM (552nR)

379 3. Interesting that some of the comments were from black people and they were along the lines of "these people are savages, this is why I live in white areas"
____

Was that comment from Fani Willis?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 04, 2024 12:07 PM (fs1hN)

380 Home Depot will be good.
You can bet that if Trump wins the riots and city burning will be epic. Not to mention the Deep State sabotage of infrastructure.
----------------
Just buy plywood and Wasp Spray and one of those BBQ lighters.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 04, 2024 12:07 PM (FmapG)

381 I recently saw a Rivian truck here in Minnesota. I had never heard of them, so I had to look it up. Minnesota is a terrible place for an electric vehicle. I do see a bunch of Teslas too.

Posted by: JohnFNotKerry at March 04, 2024 12:07 PM (GIu0F)

382 "Rather drive a Flex than a Miata or a Boxer."

I happen to like Mrs VIA's Miata.
It's not a daily driver.
And it's not a Vette, or a Porche.

It's just a fun little car, with a smile on it's face if you look at it the right way..

We keep it in the garage next to her 65 Mustang.

Of course I drive the '06 Volvo wagon with 248,000 mies on it.

But, I do like to have options.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 12:07 PM (a1415)

383 "E-2 Brute"

~Julius Caesar playing battleship

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 04, 2024 12:07 PM (cf/0E)

384 Tesla had 35% growth in 2023
The Tesla Mod Y was the 2nd best selling passenger car in the USA.
It was outsold only by the much cheaper and smaller Toyota Rav 4
Last year EVs (not counting hybrids) were 8% of total US car sales.
In 2026 Honda will begin sales of its flagship model "Saloon" with recharge tines of 10 to 15 mins est MSRP 50K

Posted by: Paul banned at March 04, 2024 12:08 PM (7UxUQ)

385 I thought the Edsel failure was due to taillight issues?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 04, 2024 12:08 PM (fv27Y)

386 Interesting that some of the comments were from black people and they were along the lines of "these people are savages, this is why I live in white areas"
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 12:05 PM (iFTx/)

Yup...can't read, write or arithmetic but rioting comes natural.

Like it's part of the DNA. They are gleeful about it.

Feral Savages.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 04, 2024 12:08 PM (/SHEi)

387 >>I would love a Boxster, way easier to park than a truck, faster too

I had a 914 when I was living in Boston. It was like driving a go kart through a rally course and parking was way easier. And that wasn't a real Porsche although you wouldn't know it buy the maintenance bills.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 12:08 PM (LkLld)

388 Yeah, I loved my 2001 car, but 175k miles and thousands in repairs later I had to pull the trigger on a new.
I have no car payments now. I paid in full. That way you get to haggle.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 04, 2024 12:08 PM (MeG8a)

389 Rather drive a Flex than a Miata or a Boxer.

I have no interest in a Miata but I would drive the crap out of Boxster. Awesome mid-engine design.
Posted by: JackStraw

_

I've posted about it before, but the second-generation Mazdaspeed Miata is one of my favorite cars.

Factory turbocharged with performance similar to the 80s and 90s Mustang GTs (remember how everyone was nuts over those?), except in a perfectly balanced ~2000lb convertible.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (Yui9f)

390 I happen to like Mrs VIA's Miata.
It's not a daily driver.
And it's not a Vette, or a Porche.

It's just a fun little car, with a smile on it's face if you look at it the right way..

We keep it in the garage next to her 65 Mustang.

Of course I drive the '06 Volvo wagon with 248,000 mies on it.

But, I do like to have options.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 12:07 PM (a1415)

You should be more careful who you let take it for a spin!

Posted by: Doof at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (JunzL)

391 I forgot my fruit and yogurt

Posted by: Skip at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (552nR)

392 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 12:07 PM (a1415)

At least you can say 'it's my wife's car' when the dude at the grocery store hits on you.

Posted by: Burnt Umber at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (MNhXM)

393 along the lines of "these people are savages, this is why I live in white areas"
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 12:05 PM (iFTx/)

Saw a utube vid of a black guy reacting to Don Rickkes. Rickkes was at a roast, and he said, I paraphrase, "Black people are white people are the same at heart. You live in my neighborhood and I live in yours."

Then he turns to the person next to him and says in a stage whisper "Are you crazy?"

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (ufFY8)

394 353 As far as I can tell, all the state of Georgia did was to give Rivian tax breaks. There was no cost, as such, ro the Georgia taxpayer.
Posted by: Patrick Carroll

Umm, no. This is from the Georgia Govt specifically on incentives and what they expected to receive for taxpayer money being spent.

https://tinyurl.com/eebm5xcu

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (bk5GW)

395 The Probe with the 24v V-6 was a pretty sweet ride. Just, their thought it would replace the Mustang, was a really really stupid one.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

Jokingly called the "Mazstang"

(It was a Mazda)

Posted by: Oedipus at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (Z6vKV)

396 "I watched some of those videos this morning. Feral behavior doesn't even begin to describe what was going on. I would close the park down and relocate. Every time the locals scream about this being discriminatory, play these videos.
Posted by: Cheri at March 04, 2024 11:54 AM (oiNtH)
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Where can I find the videos.

Posted by: WisRich"

I have found only found one at TMZ. The MSM is hiding the action for some reason.

Posted by: Ripley at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (JojsZ)

397 285 Rolling Stone
@RollingStone
EXCLUSIVE: Under Donald Trump, the White House Medical Unit was “like the Wild West.” The place was “awash in speed” and Xanax, and senior and mid-level staff had easy access to powerful stimulants and sedatives.

Really? Who be those "sources" & their positioning on staff? And, wow, odd & convenient timing.

Yesterday, watched Cassidy Hutchinson on a CSPAN channel being 'interviewed' by Margaret Cleveland about her alleged book, 'Enough.' CH can just about chew gum without being prepped a multitude of times, imho, but she finally managed to get through a giggly story of also (along with Trump, Pence, and others) teetotaler Mark Meadows "accidentally" getting drunk on White Claws in a AM meeting at the White House. Oh what did those girls do,? ha, ha, ha!

That tale was reported, and then largely dismissed, about 6 months ago in the news.

I think the Rolling Stone got its White House "facts" wrong - wrong time, wrong President - once again.

Point and say back - Biden Administration's White House including family quarters!

Posted by: L - We're done for now. We just don't have the guts to turn off the lights on the show at March 04, 2024 12:09 PM (GshMh)

398 Rickles, you f-ing autocorrect.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 04, 2024 12:10 PM (ufFY8)

399 Oh good, Paul is here to handle the "zero knowledge about anything" side of the topic.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:10 PM (Yui9f)

400 All in favor of a weekly car thread, raise your hand!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 04, 2024 12:10 PM (MeG8a)

401 Every vehicle I’ve ever owned I’ve pulled the relay from the seat belt chime. I’m not anti seatbelt.. . At least not on freeways and state routes over 40.

Posted by: Rex B at March 04, 2024 12:10 PM (5h/8D)

402 guess I need to drag my Women's History Month decorations out of the basement
Posted by: Don Black

So, like, classic pin-ups from the 50s?

Posted by: mikeski at March 04, 2024 12:10 PM (40BmM)

403
... never heard of EV manufacturers Fisker and Lucid. (Sounds like a firm of slip-and-fall injury lawyers.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere

Fisker was going to convert the former GM assembly plant in Newport, DE to an electric vehicle assembly plant around a dozen or so years ago. Every level of gubmint was throwing loans and loan guarantees at it. #FJB was prominent among those tooting their own horns for this "accomplishment" ...

... which never happened. The facility was sold to some Chinese firm or another. Then amazon.com bought the property, cleared it and build one bigg ass distribution center there. Nary a peep about what happened to all the loaned money and guaranteed loaned money, of course.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 04, 2024 12:10 PM (xG4kz)

404 365 >>Rather drive a Flex than a Miata or a Boxer.

I have no interest in a Miata but I would drive the crap out of Boxster. Awesome mid-engine design.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 12:04 PM (LkLld)
_______

I'm on my 5th or 6th Boxster. I get a new one every 2-3 years. It's actually surprisingly useful too -- for a 2-seat sportscar -- because it has large front and rear trucks.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 12:10 PM (iFTx/)

405 Oh good, Paul is here to handle the "zero knowledge about anything" side of the topic.
Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:10 PM (Yui9f)
++++
In fairness, "Tesla does well while the rest of the market is on life support under the weight of market rejection" is very hard to grok.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 12:11 PM (HnUIn)

406 >>I've posted about it before, but the second-generation Mazdaspeed Miata is one of my favorite cars.

I have nothing against Miatas. Fun like cars, quite a few around here. I just love Porsches despite them being ridiculously impractical and expensive.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 12:11 PM (LkLld)

407 Rivian stock was trading at $129.25 on 11/8/21.
Today trades at $10.77. Quite the haircut!

Posted by: Lars at March 04, 2024 12:11 PM (kJH1Z)

408 I once knew a guy who had like 7 MX-5s (Miatas). At the same time.

I don't personally like them, but the people who do tend to become obsessed.

Posted by: XTC at March 04, 2024 12:11 PM (UnA8+)

409 The final word.

Keith Olbermann⌚️
@KeithOlbermann
The Supreme Court has betrayed democracy. Its members including Jackson, Kagan and Sotomayor have proved themselves inept at reading comprehension. And collectively the "court" has shown itself to be corrupt and illegitimate.
It must be dissolved.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 04, 2024 12:11 PM (FVME7)

410 "You should be more careful who you let take it for a spin!"

And I've got my eye on you, too!

Go ahead, admit it.

It was a fun ride, wasn't it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (a1415)

411 The final word.

Did SCOTUS rule on Trump already?

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (CsUN+)

412 I have nothing against Miatas. Fun like cars, quite a few around here. I just love Porsches despite them being ridiculously impractical and expensive.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 04, 2024 12:11 PM (LkLld)
++++
The Fiat version of the Miata - the 128, I think - was apparently worse in every way except two: suspension and style.

And it worked. I nearly made a really stupid decision. The Fiat version of it just shouted my name every time I saw one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (HnUIn)

413 Three comments about the video:

1. Seems like it was a lot of girls fighting

2. Probably drug-fueled

3. Interesting that some of the comments were from black people and they were along the lines of "these people are savages, this is why I live in white areas"
Posted by: Elric Blade
=======
There is more out there but the local and mainstream media has a blackout on it. Better off looking at social media websites before it gets banned.

My guess is that this will get worse as far too many yutes are acting out actual crimes on social media because of the buzz from hits.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (bk5GW)

414 I've posted about it before, but the second-generation Mazdaspeed Miata is one of my favorite cars.
-

I have nothing against Miatas. Fun like cars, quite a few around here. I just love Porsches despite them being ridiculously impractical and expensive.
Posted by: JackStraw

-

It's funny because the Boxster - technically the reluctance to take one on - is what drove me to buy the Mazdaspeed.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (Yui9f)

415 Tesla made me some cash when idiots sold when Musk bought X.
I bailed when I made around 150k.

Posted by: rhennigantx at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (ENQN6)

416 Heh.

NY Post has picture of CO Secretary of State Jena Griswold looking like she's about to cry.

Posted by: WisRich at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (G0vdT)

417 guess I need to drag my Women's History Month decorations out of the basement
Posted by: Don Black

***

I put my Yard Jockeys away on Friday

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at March 04, 2024 12:13 PM (ZV+pB)

418 "Rather drive a Flex than a Miata or a Boxer.

I have no interest in a Miata but I would drive the crap out of Boxster. Awesome mid-engine design.
Posted by: JackStraw

I've posted about it before, but the second-generation Mazdaspeed Miata is one of my favorite cars.

Factory turbocharged with performance similar to the 80s and 90s Mustang GTs (remember how everyone was nuts over those?), except in a perfectly balanced ~2000lb convertible.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples"

Much prefer the styling my Z3 had. I would have loved to have the 330 HP M variant.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 04, 2024 12:13 PM (fv27Y)

419 She could've groveled and it wouldn't have mattered to me.

If within a week they had fired her and everyone else in the decision chain and donated a few million to groups fighting the tranny menace they could have recovered and probably increased market share.

They chose poorly.

Posted by: Chuck C at March 04, 2024 12:13 PM (yOPBE)

420 Did SCOTUS rule on Trump already?
Posted by: Archimedes
=======
Yes, Unanimous in result, 4 concurrences--1 useless one by ACB and three by the Dem judges wanting to keep a door open to punish 'insurrectionists' and implying Trump is one of them.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:14 PM (bk5GW)

421 The Fiat version of the Miata - the 128, I think - was apparently worse in every way except two: suspension and style.

-

The best way I heard it put:

For when you want the looks of a Miata, the reliabilty of a Fiat, and the parts and service of a Chrysler.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:14 PM (Yui9f)

422 Go ahead, admit it.

It was a fun ride, wasn't it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (a1415)

Yes it was. Can you convert it to a 5-speed manual transmission for my next visit??

Posted by: Doof at March 04, 2024 12:14 PM (JunzL)

423 Supreme Court rules unanimously for Trump in Colorado ballot disqualification dispute

https://tinyurl.com/4akj9jen

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 12:14 PM (CsUN+)

424 Probably drug-fueled

Unpossible. Drugs are awesome, dude.

Posted by: Stoner Dude at March 04, 2024 12:15 PM (yOPBE)

425 416 Heh.

NY Post has picture of CO Secretary of State Jena Griswold looking like she's about to cry.
Posted by: WisRich
=========
If her parents had spanked her more in her spoiled youth, she would learn the meaning of--if you don't stop sniveling I will give you something to cry about.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:15 PM (bk5GW)

426 Bongino worried that SCOTUS 9-0 ruling is a trap -- setting up a loss for Trump (and the nation and all other POTUSes) in the Presidential Immunity case.

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 12:15 PM (RanBs)

427 The best way I heard it put:

For when you want the looks of a Miata, the reliabilty of a Fiat, and the parts and service of a Chrysler.
Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:14 PM (Yui9f)
++++
Sounds about right. Except the looks part. That car *looked* fantastic.

But an all-around terrible idea, which is why I stopped myself from buying one. I was seriously tempted to make that very bad decision anyway, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 12:15 PM (HnUIn)

428 >@KeithOlbermann
>The Supreme Court has betrayed democracy. Its members including Jackson, Kagan and Sotomayor have proved themselves inept at reading comprehension. And collectively the "court" has shown itself to be corrupt and illegitimate.
>It must be dissolved.

Weird I'm agreeing with this lunatic. All except the last part. You don't have to dissolve what can be ignored.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 04, 2024 12:15 PM (cf/0E)

429 " Can you convert it to a 5-speed manual transmission for my next visit??"

No...

But the Vespa is up and running now.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 12:16 PM (a1415)

430 Women's History Month yard decorations

Regularly saw a taxidermy chicken with 3 breasts in a front yard.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the Struggle to maintain Moron standards at March 04, 2024 12:16 PM (PkYxy)

431 "I once knew a guy who had like 7 MX-5s (Miatas). At the same time.

I don't personally like them, but the people who do tend to become obsessed.

Posted by: XTC"

They had a Miata meet here in Asheville last year. Drove past one that had just been t-boned by a SUV and I think the guy was crying.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 04, 2024 12:16 PM (fv27Y)

432 Of all the electrics, I thought the Fisker looked the best.

That is about all I can say for it. It's still something as I hate almost all modern car designs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 04, 2024 12:16 PM (di6C2)

433 We stab each other as a way of greeting...

Posted by: LaKeeshala Jackson Jefferson at March 04, 2024 12:16 PM (ZV+pB)

434 Much prefer the styling my Z3 had. I would have loved to have the 330 HP M variant.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert

-

My other desire was an M coupe but I never could find one that wasn't ragged out or wildly overpriced. I never could pull the trigger on a 4 cylinder Z3 but I liked them. They just didn't feel as lively as the Mazda once I'd test driven one (they would likely trounce the non-turbo, though). Reliability was a thing for me, too.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:16 PM (Yui9f)

435 Nood

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 04, 2024 12:17 PM (u73oe)

436 Yesterday, watched Cassidy Hutchinson on a CSPAN channel being 'interviewed' by Margaret Cleveland about her alleged book, 'Enough.'
Posted by: L
======
You violated AOS guidelines. Cassidy is heretofore renamed Madison Cornbread by no less than Ace.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:17 PM (bk5GW)

437 Noodus SCOT-iana

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 04, 2024 12:17 PM (J2vNu)

438 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at March 04, 2024 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)

439 We stab each other as a way of greeting...

-

Remember about four or five years ago when that was real life?

Someone in the MSM was saying that black people stabbing each other was culturally normal.

Posted by: Nikki Haley's luxuriously hairy nipples - Alex Jones Was Right at March 04, 2024 12:17 PM (Yui9f)

440 >The Supreme Court has betrayed democracy. Its members including Jackson, Kagan and Sotomayor have proved themselves inept at reading comprehension. And collectively the "court" has shown itself to be corrupt and illegitimate.
>It must be dissolved.

Weird I'm agreeing with this lunatic. All except the last part. You don't have to dissolve what can be ignored.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 04, 2024 12:15 PM (cf/0E)
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I was eagerly awaiting the lunatic left's reaction. Their tears are sweet nectar.

Posted by: WisRich at March 04, 2024 12:17 PM (G0vdT)

441 Ace running a bit late. Must be hungover from all the celebratory drinking last night after Nikki won lol. Hopefully didn't drive the Vespa home drunk!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 04, 2024 12:17 PM (JCZqz)

442 If her parents had spanked her more in her spoiled youth, she would learn the meaning of--if you don't stop sniveling I will give you something to cry about.

Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:15 PM (bk5GW)

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Wifey's front license plate (in AZ you only get a rear plate from the state) on her Honda S2000 reads "NO SNIVELING."

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 12:18 PM (RanBs)

443 >@KeithOlbermann
>The Supreme Court has betrayed democracy. Its members including Jackson, Kagan and Sotomayor have proved themselves inept at reading comprehension. And collectively the "court" has shown itself to be corrupt and illegitimate.
>It must be dissolved.

*blinks rapidly*

*resumes lunch*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 04, 2024 12:18 PM (5sOEG)

444 "They had a Miata meet here in Asheville last year."

We want to do Tail of the Dragon this year when they hav the big Miata meet-up.

Hundreds of them.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 12:18 PM (a1415)

445 Where is Mr. Electric Vehicles to make his case after real world result are in?

He sure wasw certain two years ago... before sales happened. IIRC the Ford Lightening was going to be a four bagger in sales.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 04, 2024 12:18 PM (17s+e)

446 Hmm, just got an e-mail from Marriott inviting me to, and I quote "Enter the Taylor Swift".

Posted by: spindrift at March 04, 2024 12:18 PM (La/vm)

447 409
‘ Keith Olbermann’

Haha! Go have a rage stroke, you faggot.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 04, 2024 12:18 PM (jbnUc)

448 420 Did SCOTUS rule on Trump already?
Posted by: Archimedes
=======
Yes, Unanimous in result, 4 concurrences--1 useless one by ACB and three by the Dem judges wanting to keep a door open to punish 'insurrectionists' and implying Trump is one of them.
Posted by: whig at March 04, 2024 12:14 PM (bk5GW)
_________

Just a prelude for when they fuck him on the immunity claim . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 12:18 PM (iFTx/)

449 The thing about that $300 rebate ad is that 300 smackers was about a 10% discount off the purchase price. With a new base-model Corolla going for over $25,000, $300 is a pittance.

I remember clearly walking into a Nissan dealership with my dad in the mid-80s and him plunking down a check for $3000 for a brand new Sentra. The lard of regulations and ridiculous consumer expectations that's gotten us to a $25G tin can is off the charts.

Posted by: red speck at March 04, 2024 12:19 PM (0Id0S)

450 And it worked. I nearly made a really stupid decision. The Fiat version of it just shouted my name every time I saw one.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 04, 2024 12:12 PM (HnUIn)

The NBs (Second generation) were the best looking ones. The Fiat take fixed it's most glaring issues (the gaping mouth grill.) That was always the issue.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 04, 2024 12:19 PM (di6C2)

451 Ace running a bit late. Must be hungover from all the celebratory drinking last night after Nikki won lol. Hopefully didn't drive the Vespa home drunk!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 04, 2024 12:17 PM (JCZqz)

-----------

This means that Nikita's chances of being Trump's VP have surged from 90% to 98%!

Posted by: ShainS -- Neo-Dissident (A psychpathocracy, if you can keep it) at March 04, 2024 12:19 PM (RanBs)

452 I thought the Edsel failure was due to taillight issues?
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at March 04, 2024 12:08 PM (fv27Y)

It's biggest failure was that it was a new brand of low-end luxury car introduced in a recession year. The fact that it had a horribly ugly grille didn't help. Ford already had Mercury; if Edsel had sold well, it would have been by poaching Mercury's market share.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 04, 2024 12:19 PM (tkR6S)

453 446 Hmm, just got an e-mail from Marriott inviting me to, and I quote "Enter the Taylor Swift".
Posted by: spindrift at March 04, 2024 12:18 PM (La/vm)
________

"I've been trying to get in there for months now . . . ."

-- Travis Kelce

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 04, 2024 12:20 PM (iFTx/)

454 NOOD.

No Skull

*Down-twinkles*

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 04, 2024 12:20 PM (a1415)

455 74 sorry to OT

just got an email from Kroger encouraging me to celebrate Women's History Month (March) by buying women-funded and created brands

guess I need to drag my Women's History Month decorations out of the basement

Posted by: Don Black at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (oCjPU)
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You can drape said decorations over the Black History month ones ..... you still have those up, right?

Posted by: FIGG Bridge Engineers at March 04, 2024 12:22 PM (qfLjt)

456 I forgot my fruit and yogurt
Posted by: Skip

Wait! I thought we used pudding cups?

I am so confused.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 04, 2024 12:24 PM (nCaYE)

457 Cotton balls are to black history month as a dish drainer is to woman's history month.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 04, 2024 12:25 PM (17s+e)

458 Ace running a bit late. Must be hungover from all the celebratory drinking last night after Nikki won lol. Hopefully didn't drive the Vespa home drunk!

Posted by: Moron Analyst

It's primary election day tomorrow in TN. Should be interesting to see the numbers.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 04, 2024 12:25 PM (nCaYE)

459 Racers for Christ should've been enough faith based transportation.

Posted by: DaveA at March 04, 2024 12:26 PM (PMJuY)

460 80 There is one good thing about the EV craze: the Chinese invested many metric buttloads of money in them, and now have vast acres of cars they can't sell.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 04, 2024 11:15 AM (CsUN+)
----
And full of batteries that make disposal of the vehicles and batteries difficult.

Posted by: Ciampino - That FL pedestrian bridge at March 04, 2024 12:26 PM (qfLjt)

461 It's an insult to compare this to the Edsel. Edsel was nowhere near the flop we like to revel in. They sold moderately well even in their last year. Edsel was a marketing overreach: during the run-up, rumors were circulated that they would have some space age features (a diesel? two-stroke?), and got a lot of hopes up.
It was not the styling that made everyone laugh; it was the hype.

Mustang was the joke. They toured a mid-engine V-4 two seater, and delivered a Falcon in a deeply gapped party dress.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 04, 2024 12:26 PM (zdLoL)

462 350 I recently purchased a 2024 car. Not gonna say what because I don't need a debate. Staggering amount of electronics. Such as adaptive intelligent cruise control. Amazing stuff.
--------

Electronics ... Its all garbage.
It turns your car off at a red light automatically. The adaptive cruise control often detects cars in the adjacent lane and breaks ... dangerous. Keeps you too far from the car in front so people are always changing lanes in front of you causing you to slow more and more as more cars cut in front. Just two annoying problems. I could go on.

Posted by: ET at March 04, 2024 12:27 PM (vRBTe)

463 >>The Flex and the Honda... What was their extremely boxy SUV from the Fit era (also a fantastic car/design for maximizing space)

------------------------

Honda Element. Discontinued in 2011 due to poor sales. It was just a bit ahead of it's time, and boxy little cars started getting very popular shortly after that (Kia Soul etc). The Element is now becoming a cult vehicle, used ones in good shape fetch as much as they cost new.

Posted by: Bigsmith at March 04, 2024 12:45 PM (wEwRM)

464 VW is bringing back the International Harvester Scout as an EV only. Just broke ground on the factory in South Carolina. Designed and marketed for off road use. I guess there is a larger demand for driving into the wilderness and getting stranded than I would have thought.

Posted by: st7v7ns at March 04, 2024 01:30 PM (ki5na)

465 So I future plan my automobile purchases. Mainly because I do still finance (borrow) to buy the vehicle of my choice. I had been seriously considering an F150 (not the stupid EV Lightning, but a real ICE-powered truck).

I've since re-evaluated my position, and have been looking very seriously at the Toyota Tundra.

That also led me to discovering that Akio Toyoda was highly skeptical of the 100% EV market. Though Toyota did produce a "few" EV-rechargables, they mostly invested in delivering hybrids and "pluggable"-hybrids. With the way the market is going, Akio was probably the shrewdest man in the auto industry.

-SLV

Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at March 04, 2024 02:53 PM (e/Osv)

466 They want to force us to drive a Tinder Box on Four Wheels

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at March 04, 2024 04:14 PM (wGqjj)

467 Years ago, crossing the Navajo reservation, I listened to a local radio station where I dealer offered a free bale of hay with every test drive.

Posted by: STW at March 04, 2024 10:22 PM (W+9W5)

468 Outstanding post, Buck!!

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