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French President Macron: We Must Do "Whatever It Takes" to Rescue Ukraine's Failing Effort Against Russia, and "Nothing Is Ruled Out"
Via Jazz Shaw-- what a great idea!
Macron didn't actually say "send troops to Urkaine." But "whatever it takes" and "nothing is ruled out" means, well, he's not ruling out sending NATO troops to fight Russia directly. Via Politico, which is Axios for YA readers. (Axios is Politico for Kidz.)French President Emmanuel Macron on Monday night said "nothing is ruled out" when it comes to sending Western troops to help Ukraine. He warned the situation on the ground was so critical, and the stakes for Europe were so high, that much more effort was needed to fight back Russia's invasion. "Whatever it takes": "We're at a critical point in the conflict where we need to take the initiative," Macron said after hosting European leaders at the Elysée Palace for a summit on Ukraine. "We're determined to do whatever it takes for as long as it takes."Macron more like Crackron amirite Jazz Shaw's article discusses what would happen if France, unilaterally, sends troops to Ukraine. That seems to be a highly fantastical scenario, but if France did go to war with Russia, and Russia attacked France, that would invoke NATO's Article V and compel the US to come to France's defense. Or, more likely: It would result in Article V being officially repudiated. From the foul, corrupt AP: Germany and Poland immediately said "Count us out."
BRUSSELS (AP) -- European military heavyweights Germany and Poland affirmed Tuesday that they would not be sending troops to Ukraine, after reports that some Western countries may be considering doing so as the war with Russia enters its third year. The head of NATO also said the U.S.-led military alliance has no plans to send troops to Ukraine, after other central European leaders confirmed that they too would not be providing soldiers. The Kremlin, meanwhile, warned that a direct conflict between NATO and Russia would be inevitable if the alliance sends combat troops. "In this case, we need to talk not about probability, but about the inevitability (of conflict)," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.The New York Times reported Sunday that the CIA built 12 secret spy bases in Ukraine.
On Sunday The New York Times published an explosive and very belated full admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine wartime decision-making, but has established and financed high tech command-and-control spy centers, and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago. Among the biggest revelations is that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine's intelligence services has "transformed" the former Soviet state and its capabilities into "Washington's most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today." This has included the agency having secretly trained and equipped Ukrainian intelligence officers spanning back to just after the 2014 Maidan coup events, as well constructing a network of 12 secret bases along the Russian border--work which began eight years ago. These intelligence bases, from which Russian commanders' communications can be swept up and Russian spy satellites monitored, are being used launch and track cross-border drone and missile attacks on Russian territory.The full NYT article is here, through an archive.
... "Without them [the CIA and elite commandoes it's trained], there would have been no way for us to resist the Russians, or to beat them," according to Ivan Bakanov, former head of the SBU, which is Ukraine's domestic intelligence agency.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:15 PM (YofvK)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:16 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at February 27, 2024 02:17 PM (MqAPT)
Posted by: Octochicken at February 27, 2024 02:17 PM (oCS0o)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:18 PM (YofvK)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:18 PM (GYIa4)
He can talk the talk but can he walk the walk.
Asswipe.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 27, 2024 02:18 PM (2ijlT)
Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2024 02:19 PM (rEVVF)
Posted by: Luxembourg at February 27, 2024 02:19 PM (YofvK)
Posted by: brak at February 27, 2024 02:19 PM (AR07F)
-- Some famous guy
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (eaI2m)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (llON8)
Looks like Conklin's screwed the pooch. Have Ward send in the Asset.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (/HDaX)
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Here's a crazy idea...Why don't you and everyone else that wants to send troops don a uniform, strap on a helmet, and pick up a gun and lead them from the front?
You know, like a *real* leader does?
Instead, you and your cowardly mates will shiver in your fancy mansions, stealing the money that goes to fund the war.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (7fElN)
TBF, winter is a ways away.
Posted by: Napoleon at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (l8gTz)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (YofvK)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: Emperor Franz Joseph at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (ssz2a)
Posted by: Ralph at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (0eQDK)
Posted by: Octochicken at February 27, 2024 02:17 PM (oCS0o)
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More precisely, everyone but HIM.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 27, 2024 02:21 PM (7fElN)
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Laws/treaties that no one would actually follow should probably just be repealed, you know?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:21 PM (GBKbO)
Is Putin going to sends his troops into Poland next?
Because the Poles hate the Russians more than the Ukrainians, and they have a much better army.
Oh...wait! He is going to bypass Poland and go straight to Berlin and Paris!
It's such sh*t. Russia's supply lines are short and they are still having trouble. Imagine a 500 KM supply line with Polish air assets knocking the snot out of everything with wheels or tracks along that entire 500 KM.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 27, 2024 02:21 PM (gSZYf)
Posted by: DOYLE at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (Z8Yh2)
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (YofvK)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
"Ha ha! Now what's OrangeManBad going to do?!" -- future DU Interception from our Intrepid Liaison
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (llON8)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (xcrUy)
Posted by: Alec Leamas at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (ssz2a)
Posted by: Ralph at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (0eQDK)
Only if Macron thinks he's the emperor.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (ynpvh)
TBF, winter is a ways away.
Posted by: Napoleon at February 27, 2024 02:20 PM (l8gTz)
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Don't worry, by the time the finish debating, arguing, and organizing their "army," winter will be well and truly here again.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (RHGPo)
It's such sh*t. Russia's supply lines are short and they are still having trouble. Imagine a 500 KM supply line with Polish air assets knocking the snot out of everything with wheels or tracks along that entire 500 KM.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 27, 2024 02:21 PM (gSZYf)
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He'll be in DC by Spring!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (krQz2)
Prostate issues may make that a long tape.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:23 PM (ynpvh)
France is entitled to do what it sees fit about Macron's opinions and hierarchy.
If this is Macron's position and France as a country agrees with him, let France take action to realize its desired outcome. Let France send her own sons to Ukraine. Let France launch her own fleet to the Black Sea. Let France fire her own nukes at Russia.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:23 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (xcrUy)
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Because the American IC ran a color revolution there in 2014, built a bunch of biolabs, and has been using it as a funnel for corruption ever since.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:23 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (xcrUy)
10% for the big guy!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 27, 2024 02:23 PM (llON8)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at February 27, 2024 02:23 PM (17s+e)
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We don't want your f***ing war
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (geLO
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Pretty sure that's now considered racist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:23 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (xcrUy)
It's the
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (ynpvh)
"Just after."
So soon after the coup, that they arrived 12 months before it happened!
Posted by: PFC Obvious at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (XxqJv)
IIRC Germany is heavily reliant on Russia for fuel. Which is dumb, but there you go.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (l8gTz)
I don't think the Baguette Bop is going to intimidate anyone.
Posted by: scampydog at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (2bFN5)
Posted by: Cosda at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (Zw+it)
Posted by: TC at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (cHOHf)
Posted by: A. Schicklegruber at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (eaI2m)
Trust the science.
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (YofvK)
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Coup , Coup!
--The Chickens
Posted by: runner at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (V13WU)
IIRC Germany is heavily reliant on Russia for fuel. Which is dumb, but there you go.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (l8gTz)
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Trump told them to stop being so reliant on Russia for fuel, so they had no choice but to become more reliant on Russia for fuel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Kindltot at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (D7oie)
IIRC Germany is heavily reliant on Russia for fuel. Which is dumb, but there you go.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (l8gTz)
Another thing OrangeManBad was wrong about.
Oh wait....
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (llON8)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (Akjoo)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (xcrUy)
Posted by: Emmanuel Macron at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (N66D6)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (llON8)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at February 27, 2024 02:23 PM (17s+e)
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They've already done that. The invasion by Charles was every bit as successful as the invasion by Napoleon.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (tT6L1)
We know what they have with the Bidens, and my guess is on some GOPe as well
Posted by: realityman at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (liB0E)
Posted by: Cosda at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (Zw+it)
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There's a long civil war going on in the Republic of Congo right now.
Why don't we have to spend billions of dollars to one side in that conflict?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (GBKbO)
No internet again at home
Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2024 02:19 PM
If you have Comcast it's most likely water in some nearby connection. Been a hell of a winter for rain.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (nIvob)
Posted by: Mark1971 at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (xPl2J)
LOL
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:18 PM (GYIa4)
The only European military that could be considered "heavyweight" right now is Poland.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (wtvvX)
Sincerely, French Muskins
Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (oyVa+)
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The Biden administration gave the UN migration agency nearly $1.3 billion in 2023, which it uses to help migrants on their journey to enter the US illegally.
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Mark1971 at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (xPl2J)
Correct. Doesn't require, but given the mental midgets who run that criminal organization, all but guarantees it.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (dGCAG)
LOL
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Do NOT underestimate us!!
Posted by: Luxembourg at February 27, 2024 02:19 PM (YofvK)
Pfft...
Posted by: Dutchy of Grand Fenwick at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (TTAGa)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (dGCAG)
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"This is my war!"
-General in NATO
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (xcrUy)
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France does not speak for the West.
Neither does the United Kingdom.
Neither does Germany.
Neither, anymore, does the United States.
But let's be real about what Macron is saying: he is saying that United States will invade Ukraine. That's what "The West" means. In a way, there was a time when that would be justifiable, as there was a time when we were the imperial hegemon.
We are still that hegemon, but we are no longer rich, productive or competent enough to sustain the position. There is a real chance that the position formally - insofar as this kind of thing is *ever* "formal" - ends over Ukraine. We either overrule our imperial provinces in Europe and refuse to engage (in which case, Ukraine will fall) or we agree with them, engage directly, and lose due to incompetence on the front and unrestricted attack at home, largely cyber but not exclusively (in which case, Ukraine will fall).
The third option - that we engage and win - is possible but not very likely. We've already drained both the treasury and the armory.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (oyVa+)
LOL
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:18 PM (GYIa4)
The only European military that could be considered "heavyweight" right now is Poland.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (wtvvX)
"Hey, I'm a heavy weight"-Alexander "Bearclaw" Vindman
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (ynpvh)
They understand that proxy wars have happened in past, even with Russians fighting USA directly, but never on US or Russian soil. By making it "Russia" they intended to scare off NATO troops from getting too directly involved.
Posted by: PFC Obvious at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (XxqJv)
Come on all a' you big strong men
Uncle Sam needs your help again
He's go himself in a terrible jam
way out yonder in old U-Kran
and it's 1,2,3 what are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn
Next stop is Z-Man Land!
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (geLO8)
The frogs got kicked out of a number of west African colonies er.. "allied" countries last year, guess he's looking for a new project.
Of course, farmers blocking roads and Algerians torching cars outside Paris is more than le grande armiee could take on.
Posted by: Auspex at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 27, 2024 02:21 PM (gSZYf)
The EU is talking about buying artillery shells from India because they sent all of theirs to Ukraine. I suspect that the Russians would win eventually. But, and this is a crucial but, Russia appears to have honestly stated their complaints and goals at every stage of this adventure. If people could get over their belief that Russia wants to conquer Europe and is this backward country ready to fall to the martial prowess of the west, we might could have peace.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (GYIa4)
Sounds like that is gonna cost Us another 100 billion
Posted by: It's me donna at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM (Akjoo)
220 Billion / 221 Billion - Whatever it takes
Posted by: Doof at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (JunzL)
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The Biden administration gave the UN migration agency nearly $1.3 billion in 2023, which it uses to help migrants on their journey to enter the US illegally.
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:26 PM (krQz2)
When has a national government EVER used its revenue to pay for a multi-national invasion of its OWN country?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (llON8)
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That's about as clear as it gets.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (pVWRI)
Fair enough.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (l8gTz)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (NtVYv)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * ab irato at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (LJCgz)
Posted by: Zombie Tip O'Neil at February 27, 2024 02:28 PM (HRQvT)
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:29 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 27, 2024 02:29 PM (oyVa+)
When the army was massing on the Ukraine border Macron called Putin to say WTF and Putin blew smoke up his ass.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 27, 2024 02:29 PM (nIvob)
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So, as most people suspected, we've been in the "military advisor" stage for three years, along with bleeding out the US military and federal budget to sustain the conflict.
About time to engage directly, I suppose.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:29 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2024 02:29 PM (fwDg9)
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No 10% for the big guy.
Posted by: Cosda at February 27, 2024 02:29 PM (Zw+it)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:30 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (l8gTz)
Was. -- totally not the US military blowing up the Nordstream pipeline
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:30 PM (GYIa4)
Posted by: Hillary's Screaming Liver at February 27, 2024 02:30 PM (uo9+F)
Whatever it takes, le Bitches! And by that, what I mean, is you all act and take the consequences and pay the bills, while I sit here and spank the bishop...
Posted by: Zombie Charles de Gaulle at February 27, 2024 02:30 PM (HRQvT)
1. Haha this didn't happen conspiracy theorist dummy
2. Stop saying this happened or we'll punish you
3. Maybe this could have happened, and if it did, it was a good thing
4. Obviously we had to do this for National Security you dummy. Who are you rooting for anyway? Give us a medal.
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at February 27, 2024 02:30 PM (5C4od)
WHAT ARE YOU DOING, Bill Gates?!
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:31 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at February 27, 2024 02:31 PM (uo9+F)
By whom? Biden? Biden would like nothing better than to be "forced" into escalating, thus bringing NATO's proxy war against Russia out of stealth mode and into the open.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 27, 2024 02:31 PM (klJTj)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 27, 2024 02:31 PM (zjgNU)
Posted by: ShainS -- Laken Riley (Business is business, and it's a murder most foul) at February 27, 2024 02:31 PM (anmER)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (tT6L1)
The reason they are fighting so hard to keep pouring money and weapons into that shit hole and fighting to keep Trump out is to cover up for what the CIA has been doing in Ukraine and other countries for years. The uniparty’s decades long foreign policy failure is at risk and that policy makes a lot of people rich.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (x8HvX)
Uh-oh
Well, it appear that leftists of a more rabid nature aren't too happy with the likes of Stein, and they're demanding that the phrase "rest in power" be reserved for black people only.
.. sounds more applicable to the homeless guy in town who tried to cut copper wire out of an energized power transformer. Don’t believe he was black.
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (krQz2)
Can Germany put 40 aircraft in the air? Or muster a 100 tanks to the front lines?
I am thinking not.
Posted by: Booger at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:30 PM (HnUIn)
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"THIS is what we've been training for all our lives!" -- Various 4-star generals in the Pentagon pushing armies around their little Risk game board.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (l8gTz)
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This is one of the reasons that Biden hasn't actually destroyed American energy production to the degree that the cabal envisioned on the eve of the administration.
This is also one of the reasons for the agitation around banning gas appliances in the United States.
If we're to maintain our hegemony, we have to plug the energy hole in the distant provinces - even if it means exporting fuel to such a degree that it requires a combination of both rationing (e.g., banning gas appliances) and high prices at home.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (Akjoo)
Posted by: Wally at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (1cH+f)
Posted by: sven at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (X0I7i)
Posted by: 18-1 at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: brak at February 27, 2024 02:19 PM (AR07F)
______________________________
It's a trap!!! (Napoleon doing a General Ackbar voice...which I kinda want to see)
Posted by: Orson at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (dIske)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 27, 2024 02:31 PM (zjgNU)
"We have ALWAYS been at war with Russia!"--Biden Admin, Channeling George Orwell's book.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Zombie Charles de Gaulle at February 27, 2024 02:30 PM (HRQvT)
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Seine-sitivity training first, Pierre.
Posted by: scampydog at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (2bFN5)
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Rape-fan Jill Stein.
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (lTGtQ)
I have a Zippo if you need one, Jill.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (2ijlT)
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"Just after."
So soon after the coup, that they arrived 12 months before it happened!
Posted by: PFC Obvious at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (XxqJv)
This multiverse stuff really screws with the timelines.
I just wanna know if the Dr. Who who showed up there was male or female or both.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
YOU THINK UKRAINE IS WEAK?
- guy on the subway
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (CIS44)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (x8HvX)
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A reason, perhaps. Certainly not THE reason.
The various reasons all sum up to a complex of absolute power and staggering amounts of money. Ukraine is but one facet on their shitty gemstone.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Admiral Painter at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (og5mY)
Posted by: TC at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (cHOHf)
Go ahead ... knock it off, I dare ya ...
http://tinyurl.com/5t3t2vz9
Posted by: zombie Robert Conrad at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (TTAGa)
Uh-oh
Well, it appear that leftists of a more rabid nature aren't too happy with the likes of Stein, and they're demanding that the phrase "rest in power" be reserved for black people only.
.. sounds more applicable to the homeless guy in town who tried to cut copper wire out of an energized power transformer. Don’t believe he was black.
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (RHGPo)
To the Left:
1) Jewish Genocide: Good. Their Colonizers!
2) Eradicating Terrorists: Bad! Genocide! See #1.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (ynpvh)
F*** that
Can Germany still fit in its uniform..
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Jay in PA at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (i7Q7S)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 27, 2024 02:31 PM (zjgNU)
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"As in Ukraine now -- elections must be suspended, non-approved opposition political parties criminalized, their leaders tossed in prison as we must all support our Wartime Dear Leader!"
Posted by: ShainS -- Laken Riley (Business is business, and it's a murder most foul) at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (anmER)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (2ijlT)
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You're a threat to democracy!
Posted by: Anonymouse at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Beartooth at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (LjgPm)
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (5C4od)
Posted by: The Pimp Hand of Reality at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (8vxoL)
Posted by: runner at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (Akjoo)
BOHICA
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (UiZw0)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (RHGPo)
was when he was done.
Posted by: TC at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (cHOHf)
Posted by: Crazy at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (aChE0)
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Rape-fan Jill Stein.
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (krQz2)
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Jill Stein had the power to dismantle Democratic Power, at least in Michigan, when her lawsuit in 2016 unveiled evidence that Detroit simply made up vote numbers.
But she dropped the suit.
She is controlled opposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (GBKbO)
"Going to war without France is like going hunting without an accordion" - Norman Schwarzkopf
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., the. at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (XeU6L)
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Why would anyone be obligated to help France when they're the aggressor?
Make your bed and lie in the ashes, frogs.
Posted by: Methos at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (Dnobf)
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"Just after."
So soon after the coup, that they arrived 12 months before it happened!
Posted by: PFC Obvious at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (XxqJv)
This multiverse stuff really screws with the timelines.
I just wanna know if the Dr. Who who showed up there was male or female or both.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (dGCAG)
Hemaphroditic Doctor Who? He can cut off his dick and balls and be a REAL GIRL!
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: Scorpions at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (jVWL+)
"We", huh? You go first.
How do you translate "Fortunate Son" into French?
Posted by: Chuck C at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (xttsV)
Posted by: Wally at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (1cH+f)
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (5C4od)
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France is a real country. It's probably the most real country in Western Europe, with the UK just behind it. France has real industries, real resources, real population, real national and cultural pride. France can muster an army, arm it and move it to Ukraine.
And if they think they need to do so, let them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:36 PM (HnUIn)
The French sank the Rainbow Warrior.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 27, 2024 02:36 PM (6OrcJ)
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Trump told the frumpy old lady running Germany to her face this was idiotic.
But, no worries, norms restored!
Posted by: Jay in PA at February 27, 2024 02:36 PM (i7Q7S)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:36 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (lTGtQ)
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Mitterrand.
Posted by: President Charlie Foxtrot at February 27, 2024 02:36 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 02:36 PM (pohLc)
About time to engage directly, I suppose.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:29 PM (HnUIn)
Reportedly (a loaded term), Bakanov's teams have been carrying out bombing and other raids into Russia since shortly after 2014. The CIA has, seemingly, been at war with Russia for a while now.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:36 PM (GYIa4)
Never thought I'd live to see the day.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (RHGPo)
was when he was done.
Posted by: TC at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (cHOHf)
And crispy.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Lance McCormick
Germany is finished as a country. They are Wiley Coyote having run off of a cliff. Not only did Russian natural gas power their country, it was the feedstock for their fertilizer and plastics industries. They are not pulling out of this death spiral unless the Russian gas is turned back on.
Which is why the Nordstream was blown up. To ensure that Germany could not back out.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., the. at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (XeU6L)
Gawd the media is stupid. The Ukes let the IC in and they created listening posts. Just like in the cold war days. Big whoop.
But it sounds so cool to say "spy bases!"
Posted by: Diogenes at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at
Well I Never How Dare You!!!
-Angela Merkel
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (CIS44)
it's true
he left the White House in January 2021 and it's been chaos ever since
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (geLO8)
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"Just after."
So soon after the coup, that they arrived 12 months before it happened!
Posted by: PFC Obvious at February 27, 2024 02:24 PM (XxqJv)
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It's probably true, though. Before the coup, they would have been working in the shadows, setting up parallel structures and running their own shadow organizations to execute the color revolution playbook, exerting influence and spreading cash around outside of the government IC channels in Ukraine.
Post-coup, of course, it could come out of the shadows and operate directly through the puppet.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: south pacific islanders at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (hSwza)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (RHGPo)
An entrepreneur who was at least expending a little effort.
Posted by: Auspex at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: runner at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (RHGPo)
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At least, not before shorting the wires.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (DeFcY)
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Didn't Beau Biden die on the front lines there?
Posted by: Jay in PA at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (i7Q7S)
The French have nukes, do they not?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (9yWhg)
They do. As long as some Frenchmen don't go into the hospital thinking they would've fit nicely in their rectums.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Beartooth at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (LjgPm)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Scorpions
Well, the Russians loved their children enough to stop sending them over to our pedos, so ...
Posted by: Not Sting at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (xttsV)
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I have a Zippo if you need one, Jill.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:33 PM (aD39U)
The unicorns dance as the world burns...
Or, life has officially become a Monty Python movie.
LONG LIVE (or die) the PALESTINIAN FRONT OF JUDEA!
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:39 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:25 PM
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While they--literally-- laughed at Trump.
Fyck em.
Posted by: Bigsmith at February 27, 2024 02:39 PM (6BaUT)
Posted by: Jay in PA at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (i7Q7S)
Several times.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 02:39 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: Som of Dad at February 27, 2024 02:39 PM (8JB5s)
The CIA worked with 5 Eyes and Ukraine to run the Russia collusion hoax. The dirty secrets of a lot of western countries are buried in Ukraine. Ukraine was a perfect spot to do all sorts of things they couldn’t do at home.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2024 02:39 PM (x8HvX)
Let France go to war with Russia.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 27, 2024 02:39 PM (5aQ9M)
Can Germany still fit in its uniform..
German Polizei and SOF are filled with strapping lads I wouldn't want to upset. Still, I don't know if they can field a good army or not.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (6OrcJ)
1. Provoke Russia into a war.
2. Slap economic sanctions on Russia.
3. Russia will immediately collapse.
4. Pick up the pieces of Russia for profit.
Obviously, the Plan is not going well.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (P9kBh)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (di6C2)
Posted by: Braenyard at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (5aQ9M)
It's not that popular to begin with. There hasn't been an attack on America. It's easier to say "send money" than "send troops".
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (GBKbO)
Uh-oh
Well, it appear that leftists of a more rabid nature aren't too happy with the likes of Stein, and they're demanding that the phrase "rest in power" be reserved for black people only.
.. sounds more applicable to the homeless guy in town who tried to cut copper wire out of an energized power transformer. Don’t believe he was black.
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (RHGPo)
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Cornel West
@CornelWest
Let us never forget the extraordinary courage and commitment of brother Aaron Bushnell who died for truth and justice! I pray for his precious loved ones! Let us rededicate ourselves to genuine solidarity with Palestinians undergoing genocidal attacks in real time!
Posted by: ShainS -- Laken Riley (Business is business, and it's a murder most foul) at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (anmER)
The French are willing to spend the last American taxpayer dollar and fight to the last Ukrainian.
I don't know if this war is over who gets to supply Europe with energy, but it is being used to supplant Russia as the provider. I'm sure it's a coinky dink that Hunter worked for a Ukrainian energy firm and that pipeline got cut nice and early.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (z+89e)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 27, 2024 02:37 PM (lTGtQ)
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That's all icing on the cake. Germany is finished anyway.
German industry has been scrambling to move the hell out of Germany since the war began. The German automakers are doubling down in foreign countries. The German chemical manufacturers are building vast industrial complexes in foreign countries. They know the risks, and are moving at breakneck speed to get the hell out of Germany while there's still a chance to have a going concern on the other side of this. They aren't evacuating Germany, but they're building out enormous external capacity and diversifying as quickly as possible and at tremendous expense. The US has been a *huge* beneficiary of this.
But even so, the war has only been a catalyst for that. Germany is demographically a dead man walking, and the New Germans aren't up to the task.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (HnUIn)
I'm not sure that will play out like they expect.
Posted by: Chuck C at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (xttsV)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (RHGPo)
The CIA and Poroshenko actually pulling off a coup in Ukraine and replacing the elected leadership there though is just "one of those things that happen"
Posted by: 18-1 at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: vic at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (A5THL)
- They are competitor in energy supply to Europe. Russia wants dominance
- They are competitor in grain supply to Europe.
- Industry/business. They have (had) a lot and oligarchs were making bank. Russian oligarchs wanted control and wanted to keep EU and US oligarchs from eating their lunch.
- They are integral to Russian empire. (glory, etc.)
- They are very close culturally and it does not help to show Russians that there is another way. Moscow is doing great, but outside the ring roads they have been living off glory and honor. You don't want those people seeing how badly they are doing compared to other "russians" who broke off. Because of the close ties there are a lot of family and business contacts.
Ukraine is important to NATO because
- corruption. It feeds the blob. It justifies the blob.
Posted by: PFC Obvious at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (XxqJv)
@CornelWest
Let us never forget the extraordinary courage and commitment of brother Aaron Bushnell who died for truth and justice! I pray for his precious loved ones! Let us rededicate ourselves to genuine solidarity with Palestinians undergoing genocidal attacks in real time!
Posted by: ShainS -- Laken Riley (Business is business, and it's a murder most foul) at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (anmER)
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Hear that, Michigan Muslim voters?
Cornel West is the only presidential candidate for you.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Beartooth
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I agree. Macaroni doesn't want what happened in Brussels in Paris.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (17s+e)
I said it at the time. Russia had no reason to blow up their own pipeline. But WE did. Frankly, the Globalists in Germany did.
Posted by: The Pimp Hand of Reality at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (8vxoL)
To think this whole thing in Ukraine was kicked off when Joe said the US wouldn't (paraphrasing) really do much if Russia made a "small" incursion.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM
Something similar happened prior to Iraq invading Kuwait.
But prior to Biden saying that, early in 2021 Kamala went to Ukraine and talked up Nato membership for them. Which was roughly equivalent to Putin traveling to Cuba and talking about arming them with some nukes that could hit DC in mere minutes.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (nIvob)
Let France go to war with Russia.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 27, 2024 02:39 PM (5aQ9M)
NOT RECOMMENDED
Posted by: Short Guy in a Uniform at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: Braenyard at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (5aQ9M)
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Maybe they can partition Germany at war's end.
Posted by: ShainS -- Laken Riley (Business is business, and it's a murder most foul) at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (anmER)
Posted by: brak at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (AR07F)
@CornelWest
Let us never forget the extraordinary courage and commitment of...
yada yada yada, communist boilerplate
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Booger at February 27, 2024 02:32 PM (aD39U)
Supposedly, the Russians have destroyed a slew of Leopard tanks. Almost certainly older models but still.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (GYIa4)
Hey, an accordion is a handy tool for killing birds and having them fall to the ground.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: pookysgirl can't even remember the euphemisms anymore at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (+KgIs)
Presumably by "we" he means the US, led by our senile Vegetable-in-Chief, our diversity hire SecDef (where is he now, anyway? Does anyone know?), and our "diverse" "gender-fluid" military?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Moe Putin at February 27, 2024 02:42 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: SMOD
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Equiped with the dreaded MkII manure-spreaders.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., the. at February 27, 2024 02:43 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Chuck C at February 27, 2024 02:35 PM (xttsV)
Sadly Eurocopters don't sound like Hueys.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 27, 2024 02:43 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Wally at February 27, 2024 02:43 PM (1cH+f)
Would that include doing something to appease the masses like, say, no more third world immigration, ever? Defending your own borders/country might warm them a little up to defending Ukraine's.
I'll bet that would be ruled out.
Posted by: Ripley at February 27, 2024 02:43 PM (JojsZ)
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 27, 2024 02:43 PM (BZNNK)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:44 PM (xcrUy)
Would that include doing something to appease the masses like, say, no more third world immigration, ever? Defending your own borders/country might warm them a little up to defending Ukraine's.
I'll bet that would be ruled out.
Posted by: Ripley at February 27, 2024 02:43 PM (JojsZ)
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Would that include stealing elections?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:44 PM (GBKbO)
If they were, we'd have been stuck in Africa with France a few months ago. Same reason why both Iraq Wars weren't NATO actions.
NATO is a defensive alliance...at least, it's supposed to be.
Posted by: Malicious Compliance at February 27, 2024 02:44 PM (OBuuS)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 02:44 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: The Crimean War at February 27, 2024 02:44 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 27, 2024 02:45 PM (OZjDX)
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at February 27, 2024 02:45 PM (uo9+F)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, ra
already on it, boss!
-Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Phoenix, Vegas
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:45 PM (CIS44)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at February 27, 2024 02:45 PM (uo9+F)
The Maillard reaction.
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (xcrUy)
1. Provoke Russia into a war.
2. Slap economic sanctions on Russia.
3. Russia will immediately collapse.
4. Pick up the pieces of Russia for profit.
Obviously, the Plan is not going well.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 27, 2024 02:40 PM (P9kBh)
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There was a decent chance of that plan working and it nearly did work as the Ruble began to collapse along with Russian exports.
Two things queered the deal: the demand for energy at all costs, particularly from China and South Asia, and Anton Siluanov.
Anton Siluanov is the Russian finance minister, and it's possible that he actually saved Russia in the first month or two of the war. He arrested the collapse of the Ruble and staved off hyperinflation by essentially laundering the currency through gold, limited to Russian citizens. This caused massive repatriation of Rubles, quelled the panic among the masses, and halted the collapse. It took a huge amount of Russian gold to do it - and it's the kind of bold, ultra-high-risk gamble that can only work once - but it did work.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (HnUIn)
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Unrelated question:
Do you remember how long ago you started commenting? I was just curious how long you've been around as a contrast to us losing other regulars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (GBKbO)
WHAT ARE YOU DOING, Bill Gates?!
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 02:31 PM (krQz2)
Temps in the Midwest this week are gonna look like someone who just saw a state trooper on the interstate.
Posted by: Octochicken at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (oCS0o)
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at February 27, 2024 02:45 PM (uo9+F)
Ouch. Nice burn, Brah.
Posted by: Aaron Bushnell at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Northernlurker
--
[tries to imagine a conversation between Barky and West]
[brain seizes up]
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., the. at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at February 27, 2024 02:34 PM (5C4od)
There's also a bunch of countries between them and Russia. When there's a crowd between you and the big guy (apologies to Biden) it's easy to run your mouth.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (GYIa4)
Cornel West is the only presidential candidate for you.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (GBKbO)
This
Stein and West don't need to peel off that many votes to deliver MI to Trump. And that would be game, set, match
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (5C4od)
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2024 02:38 PM (dGCAG)
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I look forward to their deployment of the Elite Suicide Squad.
"That showed 'em, huh?"
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at February 27, 2024 02:47 PM (DeFcY)
Similar to...
The left: Trump is literally Hitler. And there is nothing, nothing off the table from stopping a literal Hitler from coming to power.
Also the left: How dare you accuse us of stealing an election...what kind of people do you think we are?!?
Posted by: 18-1 at February 27, 2024 02:47 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:44 PM (xcrUy)
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Charter members of Club 85.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:47 PM (5G/3e)
Do you remember how long ago you started commenting? I was just curious how long you've been around as a contrast to us losing other regulars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (GBKbO)
Are you suggesting our membership has an expiration date?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:47 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2024 02:47 PM (fwDg9)
Germany was always on the fence since Germany struck a grand bargain with Russia where Germany would broker Russian gas. That meant that what was good for Russia was good for Germany. They did not want this war, and they did not want Ukraine undercutting their market in Russian gas.
IMHO, Germany also understood that Ukraine had (had) an impressive industrial *potential* that could undermine German industry. (Poland too, but Poland was cut out of the gas loop. The purpose of Nordstream was to leave Poland high and dry.)
I think Germany got made a pig by events. They wanted Ukraine under Russian boot, but their bullshit upended everything and they had no gas, a public fearful of Russian aggression, and Europe figuring out the game.
I believe (IMHO) that the USA was behind the propaganda for the war, in part to undermine (fuck) Germany and make them pay for siding with the Russian in the gas/grain war against Europe.
Posted by: PFC Obvious at February 27, 2024 02:47 PM (XxqJv)
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at February 27, 2024 02:48 PM (X4yCj)
France has nuclear weapons. Go for it, Macron.
Posted by: Lithiated gp For Healthful Glow at February 27, 2024 02:48 PM (MvF+J)
Stein and West don't need to peel off that many votes to deliver MI to Trump. And that would be game, set, match
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (5C4od)
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Meh.
In 2016, Stein's lawsuit showed conclusively that Detroit just made up numbers no matter what was in the ballot boxes. Stein dropped the lawsuit.
Democrats control MI elections. They won't let go. Stein is controlled opposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:48 PM (GBKbO)
Turning the color of burnt toast doesn't count I guess.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 27, 2024 02:48 PM (cf/0E)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (HnUIn)
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It will be interesting to see how Germany shapes itself demographically in a generation or two.
The Muslim minority may rapidly grow to become the majority, but they are not exactly the most productive citizens, so how will they feed themselves when there are no more Germans to leech from?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 27, 2024 02:48 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: The Pimp Hand of Reality at February 27, 2024 02:41 PM (8vxoL)
It always helps to ask: Is this thing they're doing, is it compatible with an effort to reduce the world's poopulation by 90%?
I can't remember the last time I said no to that question.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2024 02:48 PM (dGCAG)
What have we learned, over and over again, the last couple decades ? NOBODY has the ability or will to project power, including occupation as well as combat, on much of a scale for very long anymore.
No - Russia is not going to march across Europe - as much as my Boomer Cold War Dad likes to rant about. Because Russia can't.
Posted by: The Pimp Hand of Reality at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (8vxoL)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (2ijlT)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (GYIa4)
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It's like Pee Wee Herman talking tough standing behind Mike Tyson.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (5G/3e)
Do you remember how long ago you started commenting? I was just curious how long you've been around as a contrast to us losing other regulars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, ragi
My dad, Aviator, has been around FOREVER, tho he doesnt comment much. I first commented election night 2020, lurked a bit before that.
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (CIS44)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Is there some inverse MENSA organization?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., the. at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (XeU6L)
Are you suggesting our membership has an expiration date?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:47 PM (aD39U)
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Cardboard memberships fray easily in certain weather conditions.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Wally at February 27, 2024 02:43 PM (1cH+f)
West is one sick evil Fucher
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (NtVYv)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (CIS44)
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*thumbs up*
Just curious. Thanks!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (GBKbO)
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Germany doesn't have the logistical support to field an army. They did this by design. They figured if they had to fight another war they would likely be fighting on their homeland. The rest of NATO was happy to accept that stance.
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 27, 2024 02:50 PM (hWxEy)
Do you remember how long ago you started commenting? I was just curious how long you've been around as a contrast to us losing other regulars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:46 PM (GBKbO)
Are you suggesting our membership has an expiration date?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:47 PM (aD39U)
Carousel ...
Posted by: browndogs pawnstone just turned yellow at February 27, 2024 02:50 PM (TTAGa)
http://tiny.cc/qs54xz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:50 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at February 27, 2024 02:45 PM (uo9+F)
Ouch. Nice burn, Brah.
Posted by: Aaron Bushnell
Are you done?
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at February 27, 2024 02:50 PM (uo9+F)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Is there some inverse MENSA organization?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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Oh, wait, that's it. And, I may be a member.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., the. at February 27, 2024 02:50 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (5G/3e)
You bithes berr leave Pee Wee alone !
Posted by: Mike Tythn at February 27, 2024 02:50 PM (NtVYv)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (GBKbO)
One word: Platinum Membership.
We get ampersands and can say blazer.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:51 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 27, 2024 02:48 PM (7fElN)
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Let's face it, we've got our own problems with parasites here. (Looks at EBT and SNAP.)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:51 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: The Pimp Hand of Reality
I see what you did there, even if you didn't.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2024 02:51 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:52 PM (CIS44)
Posted by: JackStraw at February
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There was an article at ZH that CIA established 12 'offices' in Ukraine years ago. Ukraine, grand central station for spies, grifters, bio labs, chem labs, and money exchange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HfkSzsyh1E
Posted by: Braenyard at February 27, 2024 02:52 PM (5aQ9M)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 27, 2024 02:52 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:51 PM (5G/3e)
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And our demographics and economy are far better than Germany's....
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 27, 2024 02:52 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: bonhomme at February 27, 2024 02:52 PM (6OrcJ)
I like this though. She will siphon a lot of votes from Biden.
Yeah man like free Palestine dude, totally.
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:52 PM (YofvK)
The gaul of this fucking guy.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (aD39U)
I'm working real hard on not caring about anything that is happening out of my immediate control, there's just no future in that at all.
my opinions don't enter into TPTB's calculations even a little bit.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (QwWES)
http://tiny.cc/qs54xz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:50 PM (HnUIn)
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I suppose I could take one for the team and try to cheer her up...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., the. at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (XeU6L)
http://tiny.cc/qs54xz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:50 PM (HnUIn)
"trim" ...
Jeebus man, she's Biafran.
Somebody feed that poor girl a cheeseburger
Posted by: browndogs paws the food cabinet at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (TTAGa)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (aD39U)
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Heh. I was waiting for it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (CIS44)
Are you the first 2nd-gen Hordeling??
Posted by: Doof at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (JunzL)
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Darwin smiles.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: bonhomme at February 27, 2024 02:52 PM (6OrcJ)
She needs a belt.
Posted by: Kindltot at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (YofvK)
my opinions don't enter into TPTB's calculations even a little bit.
I recall Biden during the election saying something to the effect of "I don't need the votes of undecided voters"
Posted by: 18-1 at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (aD39U)
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Heh. I was waiting for it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (HnUIn)
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I'd like to hear his Brie-llant plan.
Posted by: scampydog at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (2bFN5)
Posted by: 18-1 at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (ibTVg)
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He was right.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: browndogs paws the food cabinet
Looks like she's angling for a hot dog.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (9yWhg)
Is that what they say after 20 year old gang bangers gun each other down?
Posted by: Jay in PA at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (i7Q7S)
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:49 PM (CIS44)
Are you the first 2nd-gen Hordeling??
Posted by: Doof
Hah if true thats gotta be worth at least a laminated membership
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (CIS44)
Obama's team is working with both sides of this war to enrich themselves.
Posted by: Rbastid at February 27, 2024 02:55 PM (8PXuB)
German Polizei and SOF are filled with strapping lads I wouldn't want to upset. Still, I don't know if they can field a good army or not.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 27
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As long as they get their beer breaks and do not fight at night.
That was their ROE in Iraq/Afghanistan.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 27, 2024 02:55 PM (5aQ9M)
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:55 PM (geLO8)
Nope. Not even a little.
But I pay attention all the same. Being ahead of the shit storm, even by a week or so, will be helpful. You don't have to outrun the bear.
Posted by: The Pimp Hand of Reality at February 27, 2024 02:55 PM (8vxoL)
Google G-Suite is *not* enterprise software and it's astounding to me that big companies pretend it is.
It must be hilariously cheap.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:55 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 27, 2024 02:55 PM (oyVa+)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:55 PM (9yWhg)
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It’s like how if some Indian tribe has a poem about the moon nobody can go to the moon.
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:55 PM (YofvK)
Posted by: Doof
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Unpossible. 29 year olds don't have kids old enough to comment here!
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 27, 2024 02:56 PM (1eY81)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:56 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 27, 2024 02:56 PM (1eY81)
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Junior hordelings are universally a precocious bunch.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:56 PM (HnUIn)
In 2016, Stein's lawsuit showed conclusively that Detroit just made up numbers no matter what was in the ballot boxes. Stein dropped the lawsuit.
Democrats control MI elections. They won't let go. Stein is controlled opposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:48 PM (GBKbO)
I mean, Trump still won, so that's kind of my point.
Don't know about controlled opposition, but I definitely believe she was paid off to call off her suit so that the Hillary campaign could trigger a recount but they fucked up the timing if I recall.
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at February 27, 2024 02:56 PM (5C4od)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at February 27, 2024 02:56 PM (CwhoI)
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at February 27, 2024 02:57 PM (uo9+F)
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Eh. It's dumb and semantically meaningless. They can have it.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at February 27, 2024 02:57 PM (DeFcY)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: wth at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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http://tinyurl.com/7tr34t9x
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (XeU6L)
In WWI, they hung by their finger nails, but returned to true form in WWII, again getting their asses kicked in record time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Jay in PA at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (i7Q7S)
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They don't.
Progs do.
"Rest in Power" was a big meme after RBG finally got around to dying.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (U8kCF)
*is fairly certain that won't use Oracle at all on this project*
*meets error that no one else seems to have*
*ponders if should pipe up about this or just let it slide because, again, pretty sure not going to use Oracle for this client*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (RHGPo)
I don't think so TBH - they haven't gone back to Georgia for example.
Taking territory full of (by then) gay national socialists who hate you isn't "winning"
Posted by: 18-1 at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (geLO8)
The French. Cowardly, yet opinionated. Arrogant, yet foul-smelling. Anti-Israel, Anti-American, and, of course, as always, Jew-hating.
Paris. The city of whores. Dog feces on every corner. And effite men yelling anti-Semantic remarks at children. The real creme de la creme of world culture.
With all that’s going on in the world, isn’t it about time we got back to hating the French?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Mail Order Brides by Miklos (se habla Ukrainsksi) at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (v+0wn)
*is fairly certain that won't use Oracle at all on this project*
*meets error that no one else seems to have*
*ponders if should pipe up about this or just let it slide because, again, pretty sure not going to use Oracle for this client*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
Thats something you only bring up in the slim chance you have to use it
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (CIS44)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
The Germans, French, and Russians were pretty much equally responsible for starting that war.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (9yWhg)
Remember when Russia said something like this and people were like "Putin wants to nuke us!"
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (xhfG9)
Posted by: France and Germany at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (cHOHf)
If Russia was really trying, it would not be entering its 3rd year. It is all an op.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (2ovLw)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (GBKbO)
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Keep mum. With the staggering Oracle licensing costs, there are probably some serious kickbacks and your bosses won't appreciate the counterpoint...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (63Dwl)
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Which means ... uh ... jump in any time here.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (QwWES)
In WWI, they hung by their finger nails, but returned to true form in WWII, again getting their asses kicked in record time.
They lost fighting against Germany...then they lost fighting with Germany.
At least Italy only lost once when they flipped...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (CIS44)
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*update, someone else has this same problem*
*sweet*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Don Black
I think Anthony Oliver sang something about that
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (CIS44)
So RFK, west, stein, etc will be irrelevant it seems,
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (YofvK)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (2ovLw)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 27, 2024 03:01 PM (oyVa+)
Posted by: jhawk90 at February 27, 2024 03:01 PM (ggOdn)
Posted by: BruceWayne at February 27, 2024 03:01 PM (CIS44)
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at February 27, 2024 03:01 PM (tXFoB)
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
He should be divided into three parts.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (63Dwl)
How very Carolinian.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 03:01 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (9yWhg)
It was going to be glorious fun! Like camping and a picnic!
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (pohLc)
So RFK, west, stein, etc will be irrelevant it seems,
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (YofvK)
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Also, 3rd party candidates have this real tendency to vastly underperform their polls.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: dagny, first of her name
Pre-dating? What you make them fill out a form before you'll go out with them? How much do you make, what kind of car do you drive, that sort of thing?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (9yWhg)
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Yep. My point was the French portray themselves as the innocent victims of German aggression, but they themselves were eager to fight. For a while.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (5G/3e)
The Austrians were eager as well for a scrap against Serbia, since they had their big brother Germany to protect them from Russia. Eagerness abounded in 1914.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (CwhoI)
Yea, this is way bigger than garden variety corruption. NATO doesn’t bring us to edge of WWIII to cover up the Biden crime family.
They would risk just about anything to hide the treasonous bullshit corrupt western intel agencies have been doing with the blessing of their equally corrupt governments. They already proved that with the China virus.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (x8HvX)
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (RHGPo)
Well, at least someone is doing something to address the starving children.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (2ovLw)
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Their grammar is all messed up!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (DeFcY)
Please go to the window and collect your Uranium winnings.
PS, thought France was still not part of NATO
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (uTCCp)
Posted by: Don Black at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (geLO
So spend more money to fight inflation? Great plan
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (5C4od)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (YofvK)
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Yep, but you missed the British.
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (hWxEy)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Doof at February 27, 2024 02:53 PM (JunzL)
Yondah lies da castle of his fahdah.
Posted by: Auspex at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Octochicken at February 27, 2024 02:17 PM (oCS0o)
He will fart in their general direction.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (VwHCD)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (YofvK)
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That's Big Lettuce's fault because Republicans won't pass the immigration bill to allow in more workers.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (aD39U)
Not so much hate as pity, I would think.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (sRfrW)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (uTCCp)
Noob.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 27, 2024 03:00 PM (2ovLw)
Lmao. I remember saying I couldn't capitalize because I was holding a baby. The baby is 6'2" and a Jr at Penn State. Still laugh over taking Gabe remotely seriously.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at February 27, 2024 03:03 PM (U8kCF)
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To spy in Americans
Posted by: ... at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (cYzkI)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 02:59 PM (GBKbO)
Murphy says that you will reach a critical point in your project where you will need to use Oracle and everyone will go "hey you have Oracle use that!" and then you mention the error and they say "you should have brought that up earlier."
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (xhfG9)
Posted by: ... at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (cYzkI)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (aD39U)
Oddly enough, the illegal persecution of conservatives and President Trump also spans three different US presidents.
Posted by: Egd at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (wruIt)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (xhfG9)
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I just test the software! I don't do real investigations into data!
Please let it continue to be so!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (xcrUy)
Posted by: Jay in PA at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (i7Q7S)
Progs do.
"Rest in Power" was a big meme after RBG finally got around to dying.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (HnUIn)
The Human Torch wannabe was definitely a prog. He called out a prog cause, and people found his Reddit account which is even proggier than you'd expect from Reddit.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (U8kCF)
Posted by: runner at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Wally at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (1cH+f)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 03:02 PM (pohLc)
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The French, getting ready for war, looked for their red pantaloons (c'est France!), not being too clued in on the idea of camouflage.
And speaking of pathetic French bellicosity, have you ever read the lyrices of La Marseillaise? Yow. Bloodthirsty in the extreme. Gotta hand it to the French: they talk a good game.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (5G/3e)
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 21h
JUST IN - Macron does not rule out sending troops to Ukraine: "We will do whatever it takes to ensure that Russia cannot win this war."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 8h
JUST IN - Russia will go to war with NATO if troops are deployed to Ukraine, says the Kremlin — Telegraph
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 8h
JUST IN - Germany's Scholz rejects Macron's comments: "There will be no ground troops from NATO or EU countries in Ukraine."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 7h
JUST IN - NATO chief Stoltenberg rebuffs Macron's comments: "There are no plans for NATO combat troops on the ground in Ukraine."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 5h
UPDATE - Poland, Czech Republic against sending ground troops to Ukraine — dpa
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (2yu8s)
Posted by: Jay in PA at February 27, 2024 02:54 PM (i7Q7S)
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They don't.
Progs do.
"Rest in Power" was a big meme after RBG finally got around to dying.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (HnUIn)
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And culturally appropriated from the Black Panthers.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (snyZJ)
Posted by: Wally at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (1cH+f)
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Was she deadlifting?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (5G/3e)
But if it weren't for their help at Yorktown, you would all be loyal subjects of Charlie today.
Posted by: G. Washington at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (QzndM)
Posted by: Miss Lindsey! at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (YAtuc)
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Yep, but you missed the British.
Posted by: Pudinhead
Eh, the Brits weren't part of the shit that went down right after the Archduke was killed. They only got involved later because of France and Belgium.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (9yWhg)
JUST IN - NATO chief Stoltenberg rebuffs Macron's comments: "There are no plans for NATO combat troops on the ground in Ukraine."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 5h
UPDATE - Poland, Czech Republic against sending ground troops to Ukraine — dpa
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (2yu8s)
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It's like Biden's staff cleaning up after him.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Skip at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (YofvK)
Can't decide if I should be singing "JunzL Love" or "Welcome to the JunzL".
Posted by: Doof at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (JunzL)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (uTCCp)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at February 27, 2024 03:05 PM (snyZJ)
To be fair, everyone on the progressive stack understands that the real leaders of progressivism are white women.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at February 27, 2024 03:04 PM (U8kCF)
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Is France even in NATO? I thought De Gaulle pulled France out. Or are they back in now?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:07 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at February 27, 2024 03:07 PM (snyZJ)
Breaking911 @Breaking911 20h
TRUDEAU: "We know that Russia must win this war."
http://tinyurl.com/ce3bjn44
10 seconds
BTW...
Breaking911 @Breaking911 1h
BREAKING: U.S. Army cuts force by 24K amid recruiting struggles
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 27, 2024 03:07 PM (2yu8s)
No, just a moron scan.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at February 27, 2024 03:07 PM (U8kCF)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (YofvK)
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It's kinda like the loaves and fishes, except this time with EBT cards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: goozer at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (5aMWQ)
Breaking911 @Breaking911 1h
BREAKING: U.S. Army cuts force by 24K amid recruiting struggles
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 27, 2024 03:07 PM (2yu8s)
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I'm really wondering how the elites think they can rule us if they can't even staff an army.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (uTCCp)
Doubtful... or you'd see a million Chinese and North Korean troops there, too. China most certainly is acutely aware of a destabilized Western neighbor. And all those new "security agreements". If EU nations actually sent troops... China would go nuts.
If it's AFU soldiers, give them what they need. The US has given an outsized portion already, including cash grants to keep their economy afloat. I support sending US gear to Ukraine... let the EU pay the bill. In reality, the US should be picking up 15% ish of the war bill. MAX. It's called NATO, not the USATO.
If that had been the attitude 80 years ago, we'd all be speaking German now.
There was no NATO in WW2. NATO exists NOW as an alliance of nations pooling resources for defense. EU nations have become complacent allowing the US to pick up most of the military costs of readying a defense. Looks like that's changing now. That's a good thing.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (ycI94)
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at February 27, 2024 03:07 PM (U8kCF)
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Full-body? Brain? Hand? What kind of scan are we talking about?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (HnUIn)
Her tampons? Too close to dinnertime for that imagery.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (CwhoI)
It sounded good on paper – at least it did to the bureaucrats agitating for it.
But according to local officials, “it’s an environmental disaster.”
“I’ve been around natural disasters all of my life, and I’ve never seen anything like this,” Siskiyou County Supervisor Ray Haupt recently told the Globe. “The river is essentially dead, as is everything in it.”
Posted by: SMOD at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (RHGPo)
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BunzL in the JunzL
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Posted by: Don Black
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Must be those New Neighbors he let cross the border.
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A gratis carpet-fuzz membership, at the least.
Posted by: Axeman at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (krQz2)
written during the Revolution...bloodthirtsy was the definitely the mood
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This guy loves Trump, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (GBKbO)
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They will fall back on a reserve position.
It starts with a "D" and ends with "raft."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Citizen Cake
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If the Brits would have stated forcefully at the beginning of the crisis that they would be in if there was war, then it never would have happened.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (BZNNK)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 27, 2024 02:58 PM (XeU6L)
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I am quietly snickering like a kid in church joking with my brother, hoping Dad does not hear. (I'm at work)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (xPJvm)
We'll staff it with illegals.
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (J2vNu)
written during the Revolution...bloodthirtsy was the definitely the mood
Posted by: brak at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (AR07F)
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I once had a French teacher bemoan the warmongering of the American national anthem.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (GBKbO)
Wife and I wanted to get the kids a puppy for Christmas but it didn't work out. We held off (which was great because we had some unexpected expenses) but lately I'd been thinking our house could use a little something.
I didn't exactly pray on it but certainly put it out there.
Welp, saint of a woman from our church posted that her dog had puppies that were now available. For free.
We snatched one up. Eight weeks old. He's a ton of fun. Now if you'll excuse me, I need a nap.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Citizen Cake
I'm fine with it.
Posted by: King Charles III at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (uTCCp)
It starts with a "D" and ends with "raft."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (HnUIn)
2 soldiers, 1 weapon.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (xPJvm)
So why are you complaining?
Posted by: Miss Lindsey! at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (YAtuc)
Posted by: Citizen Cake
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If the Brits would have stated forcefully at the beginning of the crisis that they would be in if there was war, then it never would have happened.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 27, 2024 03:09 PM (BZNNK)
They didn't even know which side they were going to come in on until all the other alliances had sorted themselves out, so a bit troublesome that.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (GBKbO)
The appalling stupidity is that they alienated the very group that signs up for service.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (pohLc)
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They jumped back in after the Soviet Union collapsed.
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (hWxEy)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (9yWhg)
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Balance of power, old chap, what?
Besides, Britain is a naval power, not a land power, and only had a small - make that very small - standing army, just enough to keep the fuzzies in line in their colonies.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 03:11 PM (YofvK)
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Don't do it !
---Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia
Posted by: runner at February 27, 2024 03:11 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (hWxEy)
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Ah, OK. Thanks. So they got back once the threat had passed. Typical.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:11 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 03:12 PM (YofvK)
I just saw an article saying Macy's in San Francisco's Union Square will be shutting its doors for good. Nothing to do with crime however, just Macy's closing some stores around the country (*riiiiight* in Dr. Evil voice).
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at February 27, 2024 03:07 PM
Radio today said they'll be closing 150 'underperforming' stores in the future.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 27, 2024 03:12 PM (nIvob)
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Media shit again, affecting the DUmmies.
Disclose.tv @disclosetv Feb 26
NEW - Several NATO and EU members are "considering sending troops to Ukraine" on a "bilateral basis."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv Feb 26
MORE - Slovakia's PM Robert Fico added, "I cannot say for what purpose and what they should be doing there," after making the claims.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 27, 2024 03:12 PM (2yu8s)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at February 27, 2024 03:13 PM (snyZJ)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 27, 2024 03:10 PM (eYoxG)
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How many times had Britain fought France historically? Round off to the nearest dozen or so. WWI was the first time (IIRC) that they were ever on the same side.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:13 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Citizen Cake
They may have not made tampons yet when she had that time of the month.
Posted by: Cheri at February 27, 2024 03:13 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: Doof at February 27, 2024 03:06 PM (JunzL)
Go with the one that let's you say "Ooo-weee-ooo-weee-O!
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2024 03:14 PM (xhfG9)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at February 27, 2024 03:13 PM (snyZJ)
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We only need to send them one advisor: "My advice is to settle this thing ASAP."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:14 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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There was never a chance of them coming in on the German side. Haldane went to Germany a couple of years before the war to unofficially sound them out on some kind of agreement, and it went nowhere.
They were coming in with France and Russia or staying neutral. Those were the only options.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 27, 2024 03:14 PM (BZNNK)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, raging against the bourgeois with Pasolini at February 27, 2024 03:08 PM (GBKbO)
Here's your mask.
Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2024 03:15 PM (xhfG9)
Posted by: Citizen Cake
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What is it with the commies and menstruation?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:15 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: brak at February 27, 2024 03:16 PM (AR07F)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at February 27, 2024 03:07 PM
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Now where are the vagrants and ghetto denizens going to do all their cost-free shopping?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:17 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: brak at February 27, 2024 03:16 PM (AR07F)
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Good point. Thank you. I'd forgotten about that.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:17 PM (5G/3e)
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Imperial China several times too.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 27, 2024 03:18 PM (2yu8s)
Crimean War
Posted by: brak
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And China in 1860.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 27, 2024 03:18 PM (BZNNK)
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 27, 2024 03:18 PM (BZNNK)
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Another good point. Thanks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:19 PM (5G/3e)
Sir Humphrey: Russians? Who's talking about the Russians?
Hacker: Well, the independent deterrent.
Sir Humphrey: It's to protect us against the French!
Hacker: The French?! But that's astounding!
Sir Humphrey: Why?
Hacker: Well they're our allies, our partners.
Sir Humphrey: Well, they are now, but they've been our enemies for the most of the past 900 years. If they've got the bomb, we must have the bomb!
Hacker: If it's for the French, of course, that's different. Makes a lot of sense.
Sir Humphrey: Yes. Can't trust the Frogs.
Hacker: You can say that again!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 27, 2024 03:20 PM (2yu8s)
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has sought to position himself as a potential mediator to end war between Ukraine and Russia.
In parts, "The head of state (Zelenskyy) noted in particular Saudi Arabia's strivings to help in restoring a just peace in Ukraine," the statement said. Saudi Arabia's leadership can help find a just solution."
The state-run Saudi Press Agency said that MBS had "affirmed the Kingdom's keenness and support for all international endeavors and efforts aimed at resolving the Ukrainian-Russian crisis."
"Zelenskyy's trip on Tuesday came as Kyiv's forces are slowly being pushed back in eastern Ukraine."
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Like the book, 1984, a different war scenario every other day.
Personally, I wish as much interest & involvement was shown giving Sinwar over to the Israelis, exactly where that gutless wonder belongs.
Posted by: L - We're done for now. We just don't have the guts to turn off the lights on the show at February 27, 2024 03:20 PM (GshMh)
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 27, 2024 03:18 PM (BZNNK)
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Another good point. Thanks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 27, 2024 03:19 PM (5G/3e)
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I only know that from one of the Flashman books.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 27, 2024 03:21 PM (BZNNK)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 27, 2024 03:22 PM (2yu8s)
Posted by: Montec
The command structure is very top-heavy, and it is expensive. Too many flag officers for the size of the force. Everybody gets a promotion!
And you get a star, and you get a star, and you get TWO stars!
And then all the hardware that has to be taken care of.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at February 27, 2024 03:26 PM (vcOmj)
The New York Times reported Sunday that the CIA built 12 secret spy bases in Ukraine.
Spy bases and covert bioweapons research through the good graces of Fookball Fauci.
Boy, Ukraine was a regular gubmint shitbirds' paradise, wasn't it?
And did not #FJB basically just invite Russia to come on over and snap up some Ukraine territory?
Tumbrels and pikes are the missing players for these times.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 27, 2024 03:26 PM (xG4kz)
BTW,
Bloomberg, June 21, 2022, 'Dubai Becomes New Switzerland for Traders of Russian Commodities'
Russian firms departing Geneva for the UAE's business capital as sanctions force a strategy rethink
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Humm. Perhaps Menendez was doing the lords & ladies work.
Posted by: L - We're done for now. We just don't have the guts to turn off the lights on the show at February 27, 2024 03:27 PM (GshMh)
Posted by: Clay at February 27, 2024 03:32 PM (HjYSl)
Posted by: Clay at February 27, 2024 03:32 PM (HjYSl)
They kept that railcar, just in case.....
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 27, 2024 03:37 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (xcrUy)
Him and Bearclaw Vindman.
Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at February 27, 2024 03:38 PM (MqAPT)
One potential October surprise is Biden sending US troops into the Uke war
Operation Beau Redux!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 27, 2024 03:47 PM (xG4kz)
Posted by: Alec Leamas at February 27, 2024 03:50 PM (ssz2a)
Jazz Shaw's article discusses what would happen if France, unilaterally, sends troops to Ukraine. That seems to be a highly fantastical scenario, but if France did go to war with Russia, and Russia attacked France, that would invoke NATO's Article V and compel the US to come to France's defense.
Or, more likely: It would result in Article V being officially repudiated.
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Actually, just like many NATO nations France already has sent troops to Ukraine. Russia has made it a practice to send some high value missiles or drones to blow up places where they hang out -- France was miffed when a cluster of them was in a hotel and Russia blasted a hole in their suites for them.
But these are unofficial troops and hush hush so we can pretend they aren't there.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 27, 2024 03:50 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Montec at February 27, 2024 02:22 PM (YofvK)
Also no longer worth a damn. They have send so many tanks to Ukraine they no longer have enough to train all the men, they have to rotate troops. All their artillery and ammo has already been shipped out.
Their special forces are good, but they aren't much better sitting in a trench catching shells and drones than their Ukrainian recruits.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 27, 2024 03:55 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at February 27, 2024 02:23 PM (17s+e)
They've done it before. Last time Charles XII fought them at Poltava in the Ukraine and had to flee to the Turks without his army and it took years for him to get back to Sweden.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 27, 2024 03:57 PM (eoQWY)
They understand that proxy wars have happened in past, even with Russians fighting USA directly, but never on US or Russian soil. By making it "Russia" they intended to scare off NATO troops from getting too directly involved.
Posted by: PFC Obvious at February 27, 2024 02:27 PM (XxqJv)
Several EU statemen have publicly stated that the West, guarantors that Ukraine would discuss the status of Donbas areas in 2014 as part of the Minsk accords and preserve ethnic Russian rights said that they had no intention of doing so and were just buying time to rearm Ukraine for conflict with these states and Russia.
Therefore the incorporation of these districts has reset the status, these states will be inevitably lost to Ukraine in any peace deal. Likely other Russian areas like the cities of Kharkov and Odessa will also be delivered to Russia, ending threats of NATO bases on the Black Sea.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 27, 2024 04:02 PM (eoQWY)
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