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Gun Thread: End of February Edition!

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Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving hell did it get to be February 25th? Cold weather be damned, I'm headed to WeaselAcres this coming weekend as long as it's not precipitating!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Hearing Protection

From the Gun Thread Archives we have:

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The question of what kind of hearing protection I use comes up from time to time, and typically goes something like this:

Q: Weasel, what type of hearing protection do you use?
A: Ear plugs.

For the many thousands of hours I have spent shooting, I have found plain ol' ear plugs work the best for me, and contrary to WeaselWoman's opinion, I still have a large percentage of my hearing intact. Over the years I have probably collected every type of hearing protection known to mankind, but still just use the plain ol' cheap-o earplug.

Ear muffs are a popular solution, and I have used them in the past at indoor handgun ranges, but find they make my ears hot and sweaty, and who the ever-loving hell wants hot and sweaty ears? That's almost as bad as having socks that are too tight. Also, when shooting a rifle, I find my cheek weld to the stock causes the ear pad to lift up ever so slightly which pretty much defeats the purpose of wearing them in the first place.

I have also had sort of expensive custom ear plugs made in the past. These are the type where you take a mold of your ear holes at home, then send them away to have the finished product made. My experience with these has been they work a little too well and I can't hear shit while wearing them on the firing line. Sure, they block the high impulse of sound from the shot, but also block out all other sounds as well. Little things like people yelling "Cease Fire!", and "Weasel, the match is over!". I want the sound from the shot to be attenuated, but other sound to make it through, like hawt range babes asking for my phone number.

Back in the olden days when I was able to go to my farm, I'd often be shooting a handgun one minute, then a rifle next, and a sub-machine gun after that making switching back and forth impractical. The jumbo bag of ear plugs is a perfect solution and at less than 25 cents per pair, are a real bargain. At that price point, they're cheap enough to pass out to people who may have forgotten their own, even if you don't particularly like them.

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One item I am in the process of evaluating is the ISOtunes Pro 2.0, not as much for shooting but rather when driving around on the tractor. The ISOtunes product is designed as a hearing safety product first, with the added feature of pairing with your phone for calls and also listening to music while you work. While I don't want any distractions while shooting, I am confident these would work just fine purely as earplugs. These also allow me to hear my phone for incoming calls from the hawt range babes when running the tractor and implements. They're nicely made and the Pro 2.0 model runs a little over $100.

So how about you all? What are you using? Plugs, earmuffs, or both?

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Restoration Madness
Recently, I included some restoration videos with the observation that some might be a wee tad disingenuous. I am not saying this about any of the videos in particular, only that it's said to happen. What do you think of this one as a restoration candidate?

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Our pal Gref was kind enough to send us this video, and adds;

None were infantry rifles, but the Army assigned them rifle series designations. All were either marksmanship training rifles, aircrew survival rifles, or sub-caliber anti-tank gun sighting and training rifles. The M3, M10, and M11 designations were not used.

Thanks Gref!

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Cold Weather Shooting

With most of the country in the deep freeze of February, seems like a good time to look at how cold temps affects your rifle.

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Zip Ties and Valve Springs
Here is a look at the development of our pal the zip tie.

And this is pretty cool; slo motion video of valve springs at 8500 rpm.

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Invasion of the Saucer Men!

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Musical Interlude

Here is a 10 hour recording of a hotel AC unit.

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Gun Basics 101
Possibly a new video from the She Equips Herself gal! Have I linked this one before?

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Cigar of the Week

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This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the Aladino corojo

"Aladino is a brand of Julio Eiroa, a major figure both as a grower and blender in the Honduran tobacco industry. The stick reviewed here is a Honduran puro, all the leaf in the filler, binder and wrapper grown in Honduras, and all corojo leaf.

A nice looking medium-brown cigar, the Aladino corojo (toro size) has good construction, is light in the hand, and burns evenly with only a few touch-ups needed. This cigar received high ratings from the big reviewers of such things. Unlike them, I did not get much of the Mediterranean spice notes they mention, though the earthiness and leather did come through. Passing hints of sweetness and some kind of spice, as well. It was medium bodied for me. Those who are fond of corojo, which is a feature of many highly regarded Nicaraguan sticks, would probably find this cigar interesting and worth a try. Online one can find this cigar for around $8 and up."

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

For all you vegan hunters out there, this week's mailbag entry is for you from our pal Misanthropic Humanitarian. Great one!

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Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 BANG!!!

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 25, 2024 07:00 PM (f0/sc)

2 Bang!

Posted by: Jamaica at February 25, 2024 07:00 PM (IG7T0)

3 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)

4 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at February 25, 2024 07:01 PM (fwDg9)

5 Top 200!

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:01 PM (mdc3p)

6 NYC has the pushiest people

Posted by: Jamaica at February 25, 2024 07:01 PM (IG7T0)

7 Here!
RMBS, did your trigger finger and thumb ever thaw out?

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:02 PM (2hOms)

8 I think I'm going to place an order with the CMP. Any recommendations on Service Grade M1s vs Field Grade?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 07:03 PM (aD39U)

9 Q: Weasel, what type of hearing protection do you use?
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WHAT??

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 07:04 PM (2yu8s)

10 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:04 PM (yRXSd)

11 What Weasel said about ear muffs. I have a pair when I shoot handguns. It is noise cancelling so I can hear what is going on around me. When I shoot rifle I like wearing ear buds. They too are noise cancelling but I am not sure about battery life. I cannot change the batteries on these and I will be looking into other brands.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 25, 2024 07:05 PM (f0/sc)

12 Howdy horde. Now to the content...

Posted by: TRex at February 25, 2024 07:05 PM (IQ6Gq)

13 I have never liked ear plugs at work or shooting. I have ear cups for both, but then not a rifle shooter so they are not a problem.

Posted by: Skip at February 25, 2024 07:05 PM (fwDg9)

14 Cold Weather Shooting
With most of the country in the deep freeze of February, seems like a good time to look at how cold temps affects your rifle.


Cold weather shooting? Holy shitballs. It was 16 degrees at our Micro NHMoMe yesterday.

Still, mission accomplished. Scope mounted, zero obtained, zero stop set.

Many thanks again to RI Red for his time, talent and tools.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

15 Grump, get the best you can afford. They ain’t making them anymore.

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:06 PM (2hOms)

16 find they make my ears hot and sweaty,
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Jungle Lobe!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 07:06 PM (2yu8s)

17 RMBS, did your trigger finger and thumb ever thaw out?
Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:02 PM


Slowly. Distilled Kentucky antifreeze may have helped a bit.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)

18 Is the Big Project finished? Will the Gun Thread Staff, a.k.a. FSJ, now be available to answer the Gun Thread questions that have piled up over the last few weeks?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 07:06 PM (a3Q+t)

19 7 RMBS, did your trigger finger and thumb ever thaw out?

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:02 PM

Does this mean RMBS has a brand spanking new scope on his rifle? How is it?

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 25, 2024 07:07 PM (f0/sc)

20 find they make my ears hot and sweaty,
===
Jungle Lobe!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 07:06 PM


I laughed way too hard at that.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:07 PM (Wnv9h)

21 Nice background clutter for the cigar pic.

I'm about to leave the house for dinner but wanted to throw this out and I'll read the whole thread later. It's NRA voting time again and Firearms Coalition actually has some recommendations this year instead of their usual "It's rigged; don't bother." For my part, I will be following their picks. And I am sorely tempted to write in "Weasel, Appomattox, VA" and "Jim SND, Galveston, TX."

Posted by: Oddbob at February 25, 2024 07:07 PM (sNc8Y)

22 Does this mean RMBS has a brand spanking new scope on his rifle? How is it?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 25, 2024 07:07 PM


Why, yes. Yes, it does. Love it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:07 PM (Wnv9h)

23 I see lots of these so badly rusted they look like they should be sent to the scap yard videos. Mostly WWII scavengers finding weapons in bunkers and creeks.

Posted by: Skip at February 25, 2024 07:08 PM (fwDg9)

24 WHAT??
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 07:04 PM


He said "Crocs wearers are deaf."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 07:08 PM (a3Q+t)

25 Why did the vegan "hunter" need a gun?

Was it to shoot rabbits and varmints that eat his food?

In that case, wouldn't it be more ethical to just put the rabbits and the veggies together in a stew?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:09 PM (HlyYF)

26 Service Grade muzzles will gauge “3 or less” and the throat erosion will gauge less than 5.

Field Grade muzzles may gauge “3 or more” and the throat erosion will gauge less than 6.

My current M1s that I bought on the secondary market throat gauged 1 and zero respectively so I might be spoiled.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 07:09 PM (aD39U)

27 I think I'm going to place an order with the CMP. Any recommendations on Service Grade M1s vs Field Grade?

Unless the extra $100 is a deal-breaker, get the Service Grade.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (sNc8Y)

28 The best thing about "Invasion of the Saucer Men" is the title. Everything is basically pretty meh.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (CHHv1)

29 He said "Crocs wearers are deaf."
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HUH??

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (2yu8s)

30 RMBS, can’t wait to shoot that rifle. An inheritance worth honoring by making tiny groups. When water doesn’t freeze.
I sadly admit I did not shoot aspirins today. But I did bank some honey dew time.

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (2hOms)

31 *waves to Weasel, Forest Gump style*

Posted by: Doof at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (RFPHU)

32 Cold weather shooting? Holy shitballs. It was 16 degrees at our Micro NHMoMe yesterday.

Still, mission accomplished. Scope mounted, zero obtained, zero stop set.

Many thanks again to RI Red for his time, talent and tools.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:05 PM


Were any aspirins indiscriminately slaughtered after the scope was zeroed?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (HlyYF)

33 I have used [ear muffs]..., but find they make my ears hot and sweaty
It's the range babes that are supposed to make you hot and sweaty, Weasel.

(I use both electronic muffs and ear plugs. Just like when I started flying in T-37 Noisemakers - a helmet AND ear plugs.)

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:11 PM (mdc3p)

34 Invasion of the Saucer Men with The Joker

Posted by: Skip at February 25, 2024 07:11 PM (fwDg9)

35 Unless the extra $100 is a deal-breaker, get the Service Grade.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (sNc8Y)


Thanks. That's the way I'm leaning.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 07:11 PM (aD39U)

36 BBL -- off to watch the Cold Weather Shooting video, with the subtitles on.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 07:12 PM (2yu8s)

37 8 I think I'm going to place an order with the CMP. Any recommendations on Service Grade M1s vs Field Grade?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 07:03 PM (aD39U)


Definitely Service Grade, if your budget allows.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:12 PM (5fDan)

38 RMBS, can’t wait to shoot that rifle. An inheritance worth honoring by making tiny groups. When water doesn’t freeze.
I sadly admit I did not shoot aspirins today. But I did bank some honey dew time.
Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM


It'll be my pleasure. That's a fun rifle to shoot.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:12 PM (Wnv9h)

39 I have been testing the Axil ear buds, and the issue for me is that one ear fits great, while the other one definitely does not. Maybe that ear is a mutant, but I am constantly fiddling with it. On the plus side, they are comfortable, and seem to do a good job when they are seated correctly.

The perfect solution is a custom molded base with the electronics embedded in it. That, I would spend real money on!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2024 07:12 PM (gSZYf)

40 Holy shitballs, gubthreaders, and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2024 07:13 PM (IFNME)

41 Oh, crap! It's 37:07 minutes long.

See you alot later!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 07:13 PM (2yu8s)

42 Hearing protection: I double-up with both ear plugs and earmuffs on indoor ranges. Double-up protection isn't strictly needed when everyone around you is shooting pistol caliber ammo, but get put in the lane next to the guy shooting a 12 gauge or .308 sometime. You'll be glad you have both in, because that's when you'll need them most.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:13 PM (yRXSd)

43 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:05 PM

Were any aspirins indiscriminately slaughtered after the scope was zeroed?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM


7.62 v. aspirin? Hmm.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:13 PM (Wnv9h)

44 Oh, you want REALLY hot, sweaty, and cauliflower ears?
Wear your dang helmet (instead of your comfy Davey Clark headset) for a 10 hour flight from Alaska to Maine while scanning for emergency fields the whole way.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:14 PM (mdc3p)

45 We rode motorcycles for long distances and found 'sparkplugs' by molex up be the best rare plugs for is. I use them inside and out and am very pleased.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 25, 2024 07:14 PM (IBIxQ)

46 Howdy, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks to our dojomeister Weasel for once again bringing the goods on Sunday evening.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 25, 2024 07:15 PM (v23vE)

47 7.62 v. aspirin? Hmm.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:13 PM


When you care to send the very best!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:16 PM (HlyYF)

48 Take those zukes to church and put them in church families vehicles. You know it’s right.

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 07:16 PM (DXbAa)

49 I thought it was range babes get all hot and sweaty over a five-shot string in the black?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 07:16 PM (a3Q+t)

50 Bose noise cancelling products work exceptionally well. Not cheap, but good.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 25, 2024 07:16 PM (MeG8a)

51 Were any aspirins indiscriminately slaughtered after the scope was zeroed?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (HlyYF)

PI, we would have, but both the aspirins and the tums were home in their warm bottles. Meanwhile, my nose was running and drops were freezing on the tools.
But it was fun.

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:17 PM (2hOms)

52 I use Macks wax earplugs. Generally sold 3 pair to a pack. You get three or four uses out of each pair. Most drug stores (Walgreens, CVS, even local) carry them.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 25, 2024 07:17 PM (0EOe9)

53 Managed to get a good bit of range time this week, and in the process rediscovered what a joy it is to shoot my Commander-size 1911 in 9mm. Smooth, crisp trigger, decent sights, a grip that feels like it was custom made for my hand, and negligible recoil. I'm going to have to include it in my rotation more often. Just a fun to shoot gun!

On the downside, my FN Reflex, which has had more than a thousand rounds through it without a hiccup, is suddenly experiencing light primer strikes. It's not the ammo - I tested the same lot through my Commander and it ran fine. I noticed that the primer strikes are slightly off center, which leads me to believe the firing pin may not be going completely into battery before striking the round. Maybe some crud in the firing pin channel? I'm going to disassemble the gun and give her a thorough cleaning and lubrication to see if that's the problem. Anyone have any advice or experience with light primer strikes?

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 07:17 PM (PWe8a)

54 Looking at that cigar picture...
How do they taste when touched here and there with Hoppes?

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:18 PM (mdc3p)

55 7.62 v. aspirin? Hmm.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:13 PM

When you care to send the very best!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:16 PM


I suppose you might as well take out the entire direction.

As The Fat Electrician put it, if you're on the left, that just won't be a thing anymore. There is no left. You have to make 3 rights. Not only are you dead, you've inconvenienced everyone else, dick.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)

56 Oh, you want REALLY hot, sweaty, and cauliflower ears?
Wear your dang helmet (instead of your comfy Davey Clark headset) for a 10 hour flight from Alaska to Maine while scanning for emergency fields the whole way.
Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:14 PM


What are we, chopped suey?

Posted by: Chinese balloons at February 25, 2024 07:19 PM (a3Q+t)

57 Yesterday, I went with friend and occasional lurker Osprey to the Phoenix Gun show. He managed to buy a Springfield SA-35. I bought some odds and ends.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2024 07:19 PM (tkR6S)

58 Hearing Protection

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This expert says progressives have better hearing than conservatives because cons are older and are gun nuts.

http://tinyurl.com/yc8p2553

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 25, 2024 07:20 PM (FVME7)

59 But it was fun.
Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:17 PM


Yes, it was. And the ride up to the snowy mountains of NH was great. Looking forward to June-ish. I have issues with that ram.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:20 PM (Wnv9h)

60 For sra blaster's elder sister's birthday, a firearm was acquired. This is not legal advice, but I will point you to an article about firearms as a gift:

http://tinyurl.com/26pd5thw

S&W M&P 9mm EZ. It is definitely easy to rack the slide. It's a good shooter, too.

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2024 07:20 PM (IFNME)

61 On the downside, my FN Reflex, which has had more than a thousand rounds through it without a hiccup, is suddenly experiencing light primer strikes. It's not the ammo - I tested the same lot through my Commander and it ran fine. I noticed that the primer strikes are slightly off center, which leads me to believe the firing pin may not be going completely into battery before striking the round. Maybe some crud in the firing pin channel? I'm going to disassemble the gun and give her a thorough cleaning and lubrication to see if that's the problem. Anyone have any advice or experience with light primer strikes?

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 07:17 PM


Was it bitterly cold? Lubricants change properties when it gets cold enough. Might change strikes?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:20 PM (HlyYF)

62 Little things like people yelling "Cease Fire!", and "Weasel, the match is over!"

I call bogus.

The match isn't over until Weasel says it is.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 07:21 PM (a3Q+t)

63 Brief break for Sunday night tacos..

BBRB.

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 07:21 PM (2hOms)

64 Good evening. Congrats on the new scope, RMBS. Will we get to see the rifle much colorful language was expended on in TX this year?

Speaking of Garand, range report to follow.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:22 PM (tT6L1)

65 39 I have been testing the Axil ear buds, and the issue for me is that one ear fits great, while the other one definitely does not. Maybe that ear is a mutant, but I am constantly fiddling with it. On the plus side, they are comfortable, and seem to do a good job when they are seated correctly.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2024 07:12 PM (gSZYf)


I have the Axil ear buds as well, and they're sufficient for an outdoor range (such as the TxMoMe rifle range, where I tried to lose them last fall -- Grateful bailed me out, for which I am eternally grateful) or an indoor range with handguns only. I have to augment the Axils with earmuffs if people are shooting 5.56 or 7.62 rifles indoors, though.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 25, 2024 07:23 PM (v23vE)

66 Cold weather and AR-15/M-16 ballistics: I've read and heard that the early AR-15s had a 1 in 14 twist to their rifling. This twist was why the 55 grain M193 5.56mm round gained a reputation as a man-stopping round. At this twist rate, the M193 round wrought enormous damage on impact, causing massive fragmentation wounds internally at close range. But when tested in cold weather conditions, the 1 in 14 twist rate had problems maintaining its zero. The US Army and Colt changed the twist rate to the 1 in 12 rate seen in the XM-16E1 and M-16A1 to solve this problem.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:24 PM (yRXSd)

67 Evening all!

Posted by: Ooohm at February 25, 2024 07:25 PM (C7Yya)

68 Running commentary: The SCAR really made the target plate/s sing.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 07:25 PM (2yu8s)

69 A bit of a product recommendation: 1791 holsters.
I ordered one because it had a 3-way set-up. You could wear it horizontally (SoB), or OWB with a cant, or IWB with a clip.

It is a hard leather holster molded for your weapon (sorta). The leather is thick all around, with the leather for the belt slide being just as thick and stiff. But it will give and mold to your weapon. Mine fits both my 1911 GI with rail and my 1911 Officer.

They give you instructions on how to get it to mold better for your weapon (that include putting your gun in the freezer if things are too tight).

The only problem I had with my 1911 GI was it seemed to leave some residue on my gun. I solved that by a good wipe-down with a silicone cloth. That worked perfectly.

1/2

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:26 PM (mdc3p)

70 Ooohm,Good to see you. Hope you are well.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 25, 2024 07:27 PM (J4YJJ)

71 Good evening. Congrats on the new scope, RMBS. Will we get to see the rifle much colorful language was expended on in TX this year?

Speaking of Garand, range report to follow.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:22 PM


God willing, the RMBS Mom and I will be in Corsicana this year. My favorite Model 70 will be traveling with me. Now that I have glass and mounts that can actually reach out without having to rely on the reticle, good things should happen.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:27 PM (Wnv9h)

72 Was it bitterly cold? Lubricants change properties when it gets cold enough. Might change strikes?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:20 PM (HlyYF)

Nope, mid to high forties.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 07:28 PM (PWe8a)

73 "slo motion video of valve springs at 8500 rpm."

Whatever floats your valve.

Posted by: AI Commentator at February 25, 2024 07:28 PM (vFG9F)

74 I've read and heard that the early AR-15s had a 1 in 14 twist to their rifling. This twist was why the 55 grain M193 5.56mm round gained a reputation as a man-stopping round. At this twist rate, the M193 round wrought enormous damage on impact, causing massive fragmentation wounds internally at close range.
Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:24 PM


The 20" barrel added some velocity, and the bullet was marginally stable at that twist rate. Even in the very early '70s, the scuttlebutt was that it could blow an arm clean off.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 07:28 PM (a3Q+t)

75 I had a to make a difficult decision this last week: Shoot a 500 meter silhoette match or shoot a 2 gun.

Hah, no, wasn't really much of a decision. I shot the 2 Gun because I wanted to run the Garand. And the Garand ran flawlessly, unlike the guy running the rifle. 1st stage was the best, 4 steel for rifle, 50, 100, 200 and 300. For some reason, the steel at 200 yards laughed at me, while I was able to get the required two shot on target at 300 yards with 3 rounds expended. From there, transition to pistol, move up, shoot 4 targets from behind cover. I had a great time and one of the guy actually thanked me for showing up with the Garand. He remained thankful, I'm sure, because I came in second to his first place finish. Great time, all around.

One other note: The guys running the match took video of my first stage so they could show it was possible to hit steel at 300 yards with iron sights.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:29 PM (tT6L1)

76 I use noise-cancelling ear muff protectors for all my shooting. My ear canals are to small to get a foam ear bud into the canal and stay in. The foam ear buds on a band that goes around the neck just don't seal adequately on me. I've tried every brand and model there is.

I've had significant hearing loss over the past 7 or 8 years, from aging and from a few instances of my right-side muff riding-up on the rifle stock without my knowledge. Then having a fellow to my right fire a very high velocity rifle with a gawd-awful muzzle brake that sends a lot of the sound sideways.

I think I will have to try the large, moldable plastic plugs (used by some swimmers to keep water out), that fill the entire outer ear area leading to the entrance of the ear canal. With ear muffs on top.

Or maybe I just need some of the pros at a TxMoMe show me what I'm doing wrong with the different types of foam plugs.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:30 PM (5fDan)

77 Why that holster? Well, I've been thinking about car carry. How do I put my pistol in a more advantageous position than buried-by-seatbelt? So I got an Aliengear seat strap system. It's made for their Cloak system (which I have in my box), but you have to get the right back side to it. So I went with this instead. I got it on sale for about $40 from Midway. They're currently $52 on "special order" there.

When I checked the holster against the strap set, I realized the part to hold the holster would barely, but exactly, fit the width of it. With the aid of a screwdriver to lift the leather of the belt slide, it went in nice and snug.

I've been letting the holster just sit and make friends with my 1911 GI with rails before I install it on the seat. We'll see how well it holds a pistol then.


The inside of the holster is the rough side of the leather, not fancy smooth stuff.

But I would give the 1791 holster folks a look for other holsters in the future, definitely. It seems like a good product for a reasonable price.

2/2

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:31 PM (mdc3p)

78 I had a great time and one of the guy actually thanked me for showing up with the Garand. He remained thankful, I'm sure, because I came in second to his first place finish. Great time, all around.



Nice.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 07:31 PM (aD39U)

79 One other note: The guys running the match took video of my first stage so they could show it was possible to hit steel at 300 yards with iron sights.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:29 PM


Very nice!!!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:31 PM (HlyYF)

80 Not exactly firearms but military weapons.

Harrison Faulkner
@Harry__Faulkner
Justin Trudeau has announced that Canada will be spending $4 million on “Gender-inclusive demining for sustainable futures in Ukraine”.

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That's a dangerous job. Those gender-inclusive mines have preferred pronoun triggers.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 25, 2024 07:32 PM (FVME7)

81 CMP M-1? Definitely your first one should be a Service grade, for the history attached and the higher probability of it being accurate.
Your next one should be one of the rebuilt, refinished models with a brand new barrel that you can shoot the bejeebus out of without worry that you are erasing a little bit of history with each shot.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 25, 2024 07:32 PM (P9kBh)

82 Good evening Weasel and Horde! No range time this week, too many other demands interfering. Is it spring yet?

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)

83 Harrison Faulkner
@Harry__Faulkner
Justin Trudeau has announced that Canada will be spending $4 million on “Gender-inclusive demining for sustainable futures in Ukraine”.

-
That's a dangerous job. Those gender-inclusive mines have preferred pronoun triggers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 25, 2024 07:32 PM


W.T.A.F?!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)

84 Hearing protection: I went to a hearing specialist and had molds made for my ear. Due to apparent deformities in my ears, foam ear plugs fall out. And, as weasel mentioned, muffs do not work well with a rifle.

The custom ones have been worth every penny I spent.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)

85 Mimes to Ukraine? Don’t that beat all?

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 07:33 PM (DXbAa)

Posted by: Marcel Marceau at February 25, 2024 07:34 PM (aD39U)

87 My ear canals are to small to get a foam ear bud into the canal and stay in.

Or maybe I just need some of the pros at a TxMoMe show me what I'm doing wrong with the different types of foam plugs.
Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:30 PM


I'm not one of the pros, but have you tried rolling one end of the foam ear bud into cone shape, and putting that end into your ear?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 07:34 PM (a3Q+t)

88 *waves to Weasel, Forest Gump style*
Posted by: Doof at February 25, 2024 07:10 PM (RFPHU)

Don't step off into the water. It's cold out there.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:34 PM (mdc3p)

89 Harrison Faulkner
@Harry__Faulkner
Justin Trudeau has announced that Canada will be spending $4 million on “Gender-inclusive demining for sustainable futures in Ukraine”.

-
That's a dangerous job. Those gender-inclusive mines have preferred pronoun triggers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 25, 2024 07:32 PM


On reflection...the Iranians could give some advice on how to use those danger haired they/thems in a mine clearing role.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 07:34 PM (Wnv9h)

90 Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 07:17 PM (PWe8a)

Have you tried different brands/types of ammo? Different manufacturers will use different primers. Those primers can vary in their hardness. Also, have you tried defense loads in addition to practice ammo? Primers can differ in their hardness. Harder primers require more force to set off. I noticed that you ran the same ammo in your Colt Commander and it ran fine. As a single action weapon, that Colt might deliver more force to its hammer strike on the primer than your FN Reflex. I'm not sure if the FN Reflex is hammer or striker fired.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:35 PM (yRXSd)

91 85 Mimes to Ukraine? Don’t that beat all?
Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 07:33 PM (DXbAa)

Posted by: Zombie Marcel Marceau at February 25, 2024 07:36 PM (PiwSw)

92 I've found magnum primers often work better when using a ball powder.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 07:36 PM (a3Q+t)

93 Double-up protection isn't strictly needed when everyone around you is shooting pistol caliber ammo...
Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:13 PM (yRXSd)

Unless I'm there shooting my derringer with .357.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:36 PM (mdc3p)

94 I found a Franklin BFSIII Binary Trigger Pack in a G3/PTR 91 style SEF housing mounted and ready to swap in on my PTR 91 or Cetme Model C.

Good price and the fella who had it liked it and said he just couldn't get the cadence down to get the rapid fire he was looking for.

Should be fun to play with and see what it can do.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 25, 2024 07:37 PM (R/m4+)

95 Don't step off into the water. It's cold out there.
Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:34 PM


Stepping off into cold water can really affect your social life.

Posted by: George Constanza at February 25, 2024 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)

96 87 My ear canals are to small to get a foam ear bud into the canal and stay in.

Or maybe I just need some of the pros at a TxMoMe show me what I'm doing wrong with the different types of foam plugs.
Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:30 PM

I'm not one of the pros, but have you tried rolling one end of the foam ear bud into cone shape, and putting that end into your ear?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 07:34 PM (a3Q+t)


Yes, I have always done that, with a variety of foam plugs. No joy. Doctors have told me for as long as I can remember I have very small, and twisty, ear canals. The right side is the worst of the two.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:38 PM (5fDan)

97 Justin Trudeau has announced that Canada will be spending $4 million on “Gender-inclusive demining for sustainable futures in Ukraine”.

In my opinion this is either a scam, and no mines will ever be cleared in Ukraine, or it is a good faith effort and the guys running it figured they had to stuff the gender bullstuff in there to get funding from the Canukistan government.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 25, 2024 07:38 PM (P9kBh)

98 You'll be glad you have both in, because that's when you'll need them most.
Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:13 PM (yRXSd)
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AR-15 with a muzzle brake.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:39 PM (tT6L1)

99 Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:35 PM (yRXSd)

Thanks, Ed L. I ran out of time, but next trip I intend to try some different defensive loads and a couple of different brands of FMJ to see if the Reflex is getting choosy on the ammo it is fed. BTW, the Reflex is hammer fired, which is one of the reasons I have liked it (up to now).

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 07:39 PM (PWe8a)

100 T-Rex and I double up on ear protection...already have lost hearing due to all of his auto racing events, can't afford to lose any more. And indoor ranges can be very loud.

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 07:39 PM (IQ6Gq)

101
Don't step off into the water. It's cold out there.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:34 PM


deep, too

Posted by: AltonJackson's Obligatory Punchline Delivery Service at February 25, 2024 07:39 PM (kQ2Qm)

102 Yes, I have always done that, with a variety of foam plugs. No joy. Doctors have told me for as long as I can remember I have very small, and twisty, ear canals. The right side is the worst of the two.
Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:38 PM (5fDan)
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When I had my custom hearing protection made, the guy who did the work said similar about me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:40 PM (tT6L1)

103 Wisdom of the horde request:
I have been told I have cataracts and need new lenses. If anyone has done this did you get near far or both?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 25, 2024 07:40 PM (IBIxQ)

104 Gub! Thanks Weasel, although the musical interlude was rather monotonous. I kept waiting for the guitar solo but no dice. Sigh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 25, 2024 07:41 PM (V8he0)

105 My little brother is going to start going concealed carry.

He is a big guy. He wears baggy shorts most of the year except for business situations.

What is the starting recommendation for holster and carry position?

(S&W Shield 2.0 9mm)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:41 PM (HlyYF)

106 it was possible to hit steel at 300 yards with iron sights.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:29 PM (tT6L1)

Very nice, indeed.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:42 PM (mdc3p)

107 That's a dangerous job. Those gender-inclusive mines have preferred pronoun triggers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 25, 2024 07:32 PM (FVME7)

And there's big buck paychecks going to the people doing that work, whether they're dog handlers for mine/UXO sniffing dogs, EOD guys disarming munitions, or ex-combat engineers trying to suss out the minefield patterns (if any). In Afghanistan, the lowest paying job in this field for Western contractors started at $150K per year with a $50k bonus at the end of your year in country.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:42 PM (yRXSd)

108 Guy did a fantastic job on that revolver, every time I watch these rusted weapons returned to working order I am amazed.
Would love to try to make wood grips for one.

Posted by: Skip at February 25, 2024 07:43 PM (fwDg9)

109 GWB. I'll second your endorsement of the 1791 holsters. I've got a "pancake" version for my Taurus Total Titanium 85, .38 snubbie.

Heavy, stiff leather, primo fit and workmanship. Reasonably priced.

Rarely used for CCW though. Needs a bit more "rake" to the cant angle, to better "hide" the grip against the waist. As it is now, the grip "prints" to the rear, out under the kidney, just a bit.

For me, the Golden Era of factory leather, was Bianchi Holsters, before Safariland was ever a glimmer in someone's imagination. Now though, the PRIMO stuff is Triple K, out of San Diego, CA. Gonna cost ya though. Their stuff is top notch. And so are their prices.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 25, 2024 07:45 PM (e6UQI)

110 My latest acquisition is a Tisas “Aviator” in .45 ACP. It is a two-toned Lightweight Commander clone, and it is a bargain. My first thought, when I opened the box at the shop, was, “Is it 1980 again?” The Aviator looks like a lightly customized Colt of that era, with a white-colored frame, tall sights, and black rubber grips. The sights are nicely visible, and the trigger is surprisingly good.
I dashed off to the local shooting spot as the sun was setting and ran two magazines of factory 230 gr. FMJ through it, with no malfunctions. The sights were on target at 25 yards and accuracy looks promising. I'm happy I got it, as it takes me back to my younger days, when me and Ronald Reagan were beating the Russians, girls had big hair, and V-8 engines made 200 horsepower.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 25, 2024 07:47 PM (P9kBh)

111 Good evening fellow enthusiasts.
Picked up my new Glock on Friday but won;t get to shoot it til next weekend. I really really want to put one of the new holosuns but apparently the one I want is tp of the line and over $400. Still going to do it but might wait and see if I can get a deal at the gun show but it's not il mid April.
Once I put the sight on it , I think it will be easier to lock it back and rack it. It has a pretty small profile so I think will fit in a holster. The guy at the Gun store had a Glock with that sight on it and it was hardly visible.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 07:47 PM (t/2Uw)

112 One thing which was kind of amusing to me: Yelling, "Hit" or "Impact" when a round from the 30.06 hit steel seemed unnecessary.

The 200 yard plate danced so much once I connected I sort of wonder if that contributed to subsequent misses. (of course, I had plenty of misses before I got one round on target, but, still)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:48 PM (tT6L1)

113 Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 25, 2024 07:38 PM (P9kBh)

$4M should get you a squad sized element (10 people), their equipment, and various support elements (dogs, food, shelter, marking flags, etc.) for a year's worth of work. It's not nothing, but it's not a game changer given how many mines and munitions both sides have tossed around.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:49 PM (yRXSd)

114 105 My little brother is going to start going concealed carry.

He is a big guy. He wears baggy shorts most of the year except for business situations.

What is the starting recommendation for holster and carry position?

(S&W Shield 2.0 9mm)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:41 PM (HlyYF)


PI, I'm similarly a big guy with the same gun. I have a PHLster Enigma system connected to a Dark Star Gear kydex holster, and I carry AIWB (between 11 and 1 o'clock depending on whether I have to sit for a long time). The baggy shorts should not cause a problem. The Enigma removes the need to attach the holster to your belt or pants, so I can carry wearing drawstring shorts with no issues.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 25, 2024 07:49 PM (v23vE)

115 Picked up my new Glock on Friday but won;t get to shoot it til next weekend.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 07:47 PM


Congrats!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:49 PM (HlyYF)

116 What is the starting recommendation for holster and carry position?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:41 PM (HlyYF)

I would suggest a "belly band" style holster. If he wears shorts a lot, no belted holster is going to work in those situations. One advantage of a belly band is you can adjust just exactly where you're carrying the weapon. If you get one that has LOTS of different pockets, you have your pick of where to put spare mags, flashlights, etc.

I would consider wearing a t-shirt under that belly band. Most of them are pretty good at keeping moisture out of the holster area and all, but some guns stick up above the band and might rub on your skin or get sweat all over your grip.

If he doesn't mind different holsters for different dress, the big question on shoulder holsters is, does he ALWAYS wear a sport coat? And NEVER take it off? Otherwise, he needs to carry IWB tucked or OWB with a decently long shirt over top of it.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:50 PM (mdc3p)

117 Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 07:39 PM (IQ6Gq)

If you're willing to go NFA, there are these useful devices called silencers and suppressors that can help reduce noise from gunshots.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:50 PM (yRXSd)

118 with a $50k bonus at the end of your year in country.
Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:42 PM (yRXSd)

And a BIG bottle of nerve pills.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:51 PM (mdc3p)

119 Pillage Idiot, I should also mention that I was a bit freaked out by AIWB at first, specifically where the barrel was pointing, so I keep my thumb safety on my Shield engaged while carrying and before reholstering. It adds a step to my drawstroke, but I've practiced disengaging the safety while drawing, both dry fire and live fire, enough that I'm comfortable with it.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 25, 2024 07:51 PM (v23vE)

120 Thanks Schnorflepuppy. I will have him look at that option.

When I say "bigger", he is a little more "rounded" than you are.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:52 PM (HlyYF)

121 103 Wisdom of the horde request:
I have been told I have cataracts and need new lenses. If anyone has done this did you get near far or both?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 25, 2024 07:40 PM (IBIxQ)


This is of interest to me as well because I have a loved one who is probably a candidate.

Posted by: Emmie at February 25, 2024 07:52 PM (Sf2cq)

122 I would consider wearing a t-shirt under that belly band. Most of them are pretty good at keeping moisture out of the holster area and all, but some guns stick up above the band and might rub on your skin or get sweat all over your grip.

If he doesn't mind different holsters for different dress, the big question on shoulder holsters is, does he ALWAYS wear a sport coat? And NEVER take it off? Otherwise, he needs to carry IWB tucked or OWB with a decently long shirt over top of it.
Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:50 PM (mdc3p)


Same recommendation for the PHLster Enigma - I wear a T-shirt underneath it to keep the grip of my gun from abrading my skin.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 25, 2024 07:53 PM (v23vE)

123 Posted by: Jim at February 25, 2024 07:45 PM (e6UQI)

There are a bunch of smaller guys, too, who seem to do good work. I'm saving some pennies for one that wraps around your belt, designed for vehicle carry (so sideways, across your front, about where the seatbelt is supposed to sit).

I'll keep your recommendations in mind, too, as I continue my Adventures In Holsters!

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:53 PM (mdc3p)

124 Gref, I had these custom ones done at one of the gunshows. They make a mold of your ear canal so they are unique. Cost me $75. Ed L uses them too. The guy took the imprint and I went back about 45 minutes later and picked them up. I can't use the foam ones either.
maybe Ed can explain what they're made of.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 07:54 PM (t/2Uw)

125 ...Have you tried different brands/types of ammo? Different manufacturers will use different primers. Those primers can vary in their hardness. ...

Starline has new caveat for AR compatible brass - basically DO NOT USE sensitive primers. Floating pin, slamming the bolt home on a chambered round, BOOM, etc.
They only recommend the service grade primers (#41 etc).

Any suggestions on INSENSITIVE primers?
I believe I have seen Rem #1-1/2 recommended for revolvers only...
Any known for being hard?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 25, 2024 07:54 PM (cOq4q)

126 Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:51 PM (mdc3p)

And no overdosing on the coffee in the morning.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:55 PM (yRXSd)

127 Ear pro:
Outdoor just use the earplugs

Indoor I double up earplugs and muffs

I have the same issue while shooting rifles, ear muffs are a no go for that.

Posted by: PMRich at February 25, 2024 07:55 PM (eh5ud)

128 120 Thanks Schnorflepuppy. I will have him look at that option.

When I say "bigger", he is a little more "rounded" than you are.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:52 PM (HlyYF)


The "roundness" can cause printing. PHLster also sells a kit with various wedges that can be attached to the barrel end of the holster to mitigate printing.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 25, 2024 07:56 PM (v23vE)

129 given how many mines and munitions both sides have tossed around.
Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:49 PM (yRXSd)

The Russkies and the Eastern Europeans (Serbs, Bosniaks, Croats, particularly) seem to really love the things. There was an observation post in Bosnia we used to practice controlling air, and you didn't want to toss so much as a bottle down the slopes, lest you get the locals over-excited.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:56 PM (mdc3p)

130 I have a ttgunleather IWB and spare mag carrier. I highly recommend their stuff.

I'm planning to get one of their comp cut holsters so I can get away from the cheap plastic one I used when shooting pistol competitions.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:57 PM (tT6L1)

131 102 Yes, I have always done that, with a variety of foam plugs. No joy. Doctors have told me for as long as I can remember I have very small, and twisty, ear canals. The right side is the worst of the two.
Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:38 PM (5fDan)
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When I had my custom hearing protection made, the guy who did the work said similar about me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:40 PM (tT6L1)


I should have done this long ago. Oh, well. I do need to get hearing aids. When I go in for that I will ask about custom-molded sound-blocking plugs for shooting.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:57 PM (5fDan)

132 Well, time to wander, Have a good one!

Thank again, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 25, 2024 07:58 PM (tT6L1)

133 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 07:54 PM (t/2Uw)

Sorry, sharon, I can't explain what they are other than that they're made of some foam type material and that they work pretty well.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 07:58 PM (yRXSd)

134 Range trip today. Summary: I still suck, but just a bit less than last time. Grip is still not still sorted out, mostly because I have a grip safety to contend with, and that complicates things. I'll get there.

Meanwhile, Mrs. Splunge is, FOR THE MOMENT, shooting better than I am. I assure you, and her, that this is a temporary situation.

For ear protection, we're using electronic muffs. Not being able to hear Mrs. Splunge is not an option, apparently, even if we're on the range.

Posted by: Splunge at February 25, 2024 07:58 PM (oBPoz)

135 Thanks GWB.

He runs about 10 degrees hotter than normal people, so under jacket is not an option.

His usual attire is a big golf shirt. Because of his build, it does have space off of his body as it gets down to the waistband on the sides and back.

(Sorry about the poor framing of the questions. I do not CC, so it is a blind leading the blind situation.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:59 PM (HlyYF)

136 Any suggestions on INSENSITIVE primers?
I believe I have seen Rem #1-1/2 recommended for revolvers only...
Any known for being hard?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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CCI M41 small rifle and CCI M34 large rifle primers are milspec as far as primers go. Fully suitable for semi auto and full auto rifles.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 07:59 PM (7oVvH)

137 117
Ed, I'm ok with the pistols, it's the rifles that ensure that I use molded earplugs and muffs.

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 08:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

138 Dinner bell just rang.

If anyone adds any more holster/carry advice for beginners I am planning to come back and read the whole thread.

Thanks for the gub thread, Weasel-san!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 08:01 PM (HlyYF)

139 I do need to get hearing aids.
Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 07:57 PM (5fDan)

A lot of the professional hearing aids (ones that insurance will pay for, minus your copay) are custom-molded. And they should block sound when turned entirely off - ask about that. You might need special ones that do that, but they are out there, I'm sure.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:02 PM (mdc3p)

140 I should be more specific. Both the CCI 34 and 41 have thicker metallic cups that make it much more resistant to a floating firing pin slam firing the cartridge whether in battery or not.

The Brisance, which is the sensitivity and explosiveness of the primer compound is similar to CCI's regular primers.

It it not the sensitivity of the primer compound you want on semi auto, full auto rifles but the harder primer cup. Some foreign imported primers may or may not have a harder primer cup but that can be a hit or miss proposition.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:02 PM (7oVvH)

141 I live across the street from the world's smallest Target store. I was there yesterday when a man came up to me, said he was in Asset protection and I had to evacuate the store. He said leave the items in my basket and proceed to the front and out the door. No alarms sounding. All shoppers and employees filed out as well. I waited around out front for awhile and about 20 minutes later, a single cop showed up. Iheard them say that they had searched everywhere but the bathrooms. The cop refused to go in and called for backup. My guess is someone tried to rob the store or shoplift something expensive.
The bottom line to me was, if it was a dangerous situation, the cops wouldhave been no help at all.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:04 PM (t/2Uw)

142 Posted by: Jim at February 25, 2024 07:45 PM (e6UQI)

The best holster that I have was custom made for me by High Noon Holster Company of Miami twenty-five years ago. The leather is still as supple as the day I got it. Even more, I guess, since it's had all those years to mold itself to the gun.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 08:05 PM (PWe8a)

143 Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 07:56 PM (mdc3p)

In addition to the mines (many of the "butterfly" anti-personnel type that look like children's toys), there are the dud cluster munitions to worry about too. The dud rate for Russian cluster munitions was known to be as high as 25-30% based on experience in Afghanistan. For old munitions dragged out of storage, I expect that rate to be significantly higher. By contrast, Western cluster munitions had a dud rate of about 5-10% in Operation Desert Storm. The newer cluster munitions have a dud rate around 1% based on experience in OIF.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:05 PM (yRXSd)

144 (Sorry about the poor framing of the questions. I do not CC, so it is a blind leading the blind situation.)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 07:59 PM (HlyYF)

You asked it just fine. I happen to still be on the leading edge of the Perfect Holster search, myself. I have 2 belly-band style holsters - 1 that is a bunch of pockets (some generic holster-shaped), and one the is designed to hold IWB holsters by sliding the clip over the belly band. They both work to varying degrees.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:05 PM (mdc3p)

145 Wisdom of the horde request:
I have been told I have cataracts and need new lenses. If anyone has done this did you get near far or both?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 25, 2024 07:40 PM


I've had mine done. I was nearsighted, and was told that that could be corrected. I asked if I need reading glasses, and the answer was basically "Well, duh."

I asked about one normal, one near, and was told that wouldn't be a good idea. I went with nearsighted so that I could read without glasses (which the nurse quietly said afterwards was the right pick). Pick what is most important for you and your lifestyle, and be aware you'll probably need some kind of glasses for whichever you don't pick.

Depending on the cloudiness of the membrane sac holding the lenses, you may need a hole burned through them with a laser. That's quick and easy.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 08:05 PM (a3Q+t)

146 Schnorflepuppy, are you coming to VaMoMe or Corsicana this year?

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)

147 Sharon, thanks for tip about molded-plug hearing protector makers at gun shows. I now very rarely go to gun shows. I can't recall any such outfits at past shows in my area, but perhaps I'll go to the next one to see if one of those outfits is there.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 08:07 PM (5fDan)

148 Anyone have any advice or experience with light primer strikes?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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You are most likely right about crud in the striker channel--a nasty combination of brass fragments, burnt and unburnt powder granules, and sometimes oil can make a nasty sludge there. It can be a striker spring though or even a damaged striker.

If you have a spare striker spring, might be a good time to replace it when you have it opened for surgery. As far a replacement springs, Gunsprings dot com is one source, Midway and Brownells sometimes have them in stock and sometimes not.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:07 PM (7oVvH)

149 Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:05 PM (yRXSd)

Yep. And they want to change our available weapons because someone else makes lousy weapons.

It's like the Saturday Night Special debate, but global.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:08 PM (mdc3p)

150 PI, there was a holster seller at the last gun show I went to and he was terrific. He had a holster for my glock, showed how it could be adjusted and we talked about the best place for a petite person like me to carry it. They were mostly leather, reasonable priced. I felt a lot more educated after that. I will definitely go back when I've got the Glock outfitted. that's the other item for the April gun show.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:08 PM (t/2Uw)

151 I don't need hearing aids, yet.

But I wish some of yaz bunfasictches would TYPE LOUDER, dammit!

/s


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 25, 2024 08:10 PM (e6UQI)

152 Back from tacos. Mrs. Red continues to make it hard for me to carry IWB - DunlopDisease. My belly dun lopped over my belt.

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 08:10 PM (2hOms)

153 Gref, if you shoot me an email, I'll take a picture of mine and the name of the guy who did them. Maybe he can direct you. They really are terrific.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:11 PM (t/2Uw)

154 But I wish some of yaz bunfasictches would TYPE LOUDER, dammit!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at February 25, 2024 08:10 PM


WHAT???

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 08:11 PM (a3Q+t)

155 I wish I knew more about guns.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 25, 2024 08:12 PM (ENQN6)

156 Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 08:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

Understood. Unless you're shooting .22LR or .300 Blackout subsonic loads, even suppressed rifles will still need double hearing protection. Suppressors/silencers can do a lot of things, but they can't alter the fact that bullets moving faster than the speed of sound will create a sonic boom that will force you to don hearing protection.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:12 PM (yRXSd)

157 146 Schnorflepuppy, are you coming to VaMoMe or Corsicana this year?
Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)


Plotting out my Corsicana strategy, ma'am. Not sure about NoVaMoMe.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 25, 2024 08:12 PM (v23vE)

158 >>> I should be more specific. Both the CCI 34 and 41 have thicker metallic cups that make it much more resistant to a floating firing pin slam firing the cartridge whether in battery or not.

Starline's advisory is 90% there to saying only use #34 or #41.
Guessing they known there are others with harder cups but don't go there.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 25, 2024 08:12 PM (cOq4q)

159 147
We got our molded ear plugs at an auto race vendor row. They offered them for airplanes, auto races, and guns.

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

160 I wish I knew more about guns.
Posted by: rhennigantx at February 25, 2024 08:12 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

Posted by: GySgt. Hartmann at February 25, 2024 08:15 PM (a3Q+t)

161 Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:07 PM (7oVvH)

Thanks, Whig. I'm going to disassemble it down to what I'm comfortable with and give it a Sorcerer's Apprentice cleaning.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 08:15 PM (PWe8a)

162 >>> Starline's advisory is 90% there to saying only use #34 or #41.
Guessing they known there are others with harder cups but don't go there.

Follow-up

458 SOCOM is most definitely an AR-15 round but use Large Pistol primers. So... what to use?

Not like primers have trade-marks on them to just look at foctory ammo and use what they use.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 25, 2024 08:16 PM (cOq4q)

163 Is there a date for the NoVaMoMe? I have to go to a reunion in Ct in June and I am so hoping it's not hte same weekend.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:16 PM (t/2Uw)

164 Sharon, are you doing any rifle shooting?

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 08:16 PM (2hOms)

165 74 I've read and heard that the early AR-15s had a 1 in 14 twist to their rifling. This twist was why the 55 grain M193 5.56mm round gained a reputation as a man-stopping round. At this twist rate, the M193 round wrought enormous damage on impact, causing massive fragmentation wounds internally at close range.
Posted by: Ed L
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The AR-15 cartridge was developed from the triple deuce varminting cartridge aka 222 Remington. Varminting typically use a bit lighter bullets so the twist rate was 1:14. Later cold weather tests in Alaska indicated that the 1:14 was not optimal so they switched to the 1:12.

It was not so much the barrel twist that gave the early ARs its rep but the use of 55 gr boattail bullets at 3000 fps. The bullets keyhole on striking the target because they were ass heavy like the British 303 Mark VII and VIII cartridges.

Drop the velocity or use flat based bullets, the keyhole effect is marginalized. You can still get massive fragmentation using target bullets
For the most part, 1:9 or 1:8 are adequate replacements as the 1:7 actually overstabilizes the bullet but was developed by the Belgians for a specific cartridge (can't remember exactly for what).

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:17 PM (7oVvH)

166 Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:08 PM (mdc3p)

When $*@%# starts getting real, expect the 1997 Cluster Munitions Convention to become the "Cluster Munitions Suggestion." Note that this US and Russia never signed this in the first place.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:17 PM (yRXSd)

167 I carry a G17 Gen 4 at work, and next qualification we are allowed to shoot our personal firearm. I will be shooting Mrs. E’s G17, the custom target gun.

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 08:19 PM (DXbAa)

168 Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:17 PM (7oVvH)

Thanks for clearing up the picture on that history, Whig.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:20 PM (yRXSd)

169 Whig,
I haven't forgotten your kind offer re questions on ammunition. This week has just been over the top on things that weren't even on the list....but I will post some elementary questions soon. Thanks.

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)

170 Sharon, are you doing any rifle shooting?

Posted by: RI Red

Not really. I loved the little bit I got to do in Texas. Every now and again one shows up at our biweekly meetups, usually via Ed or Blaster, but the longest indoor range is 50 yds.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:20 PM (t/2Uw)

171 Thanks, Whig. I'm going to disassemble it down to what I'm comfortable with and give it a Sorcerer's Apprentice cleaning.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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No problem. You already reached the most probable solution yourself but while you disassemble it, take the opportunity to check the other parts for wear and I generally replace springs before I have to if I am going to the trouble of disassembling the slide etc. Sometimes I replace pins as well.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:21 PM (7oVvH)

172 Is there a date for the NoVaMoMe?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:16 PM (t/2Uw)

Bluebell, are you there?

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:21 PM (yRXSd)

173 169 Whig,
I haven't forgotten your kind offer re questions on ammunition. This week has just been over the top on things that weren't even on the list....but I will post some elementary questions soon. Thanks.
Posted by: Grateful
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You can ask questions whatever or whenever. Doesn't have to be the gun thread if I am commenting on another thread. Generally don't appear on the ONT thread though.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:23 PM (7oVvH)

174 Wisdom of the horde request:
I have been told I have cataracts and need new lenses. If anyone has done this did you get near far or both?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 25, 2024 07:40 PM (IBIxQ)

The basic el-cheapo fixed-focus lenses, optimized for distance, which is what you get for "free" under Canada's Medicare plan. I asked the eye surgeon, who is definitely not a Proggie, about it, and he said that the "pseudo-adaptive" lenses are a PITA, and some people never adjust to them. And the "adaptive" lenses, which hook into your cornea muscles, so that they change focus at will like your natural lenses do, are very expensive, and don't always work right. For the basic lenses, they have the surgery down to a fine art, and it is quick, and painless, and recovery time is very brief. If the light is good, I can read a newspaper without reading glasses at about a foot's distance. For extensive reading, or close fine work, I use 1.25 diopter dollar-store readers. I am completely delighted with the results.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2024 08:24 PM (tkR6S)

175 Bluebell, if you need any help with NoVAMoMe, just let me know.

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 08:25 PM (IQ6Gq)

176 holster and carry position?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot



If it is beneath a jacket or heavy shirt holster is the best and most comfortable way to run a holster.

If it is going to be without a heavy oversomething then aiwb.

Everything else is second best.

Posted by: N at February 25, 2024 08:27 PM (RjBju)

177 Thanks for clearing up the picture on that history, Whig.
Posted by: Ed L
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It used to take a 20 inch barrel to reach 3000 fps in the 60's with the powders available. Now you can reach it in a 16 inch with no problem. The M193 is a decent anti personnel round if they are not wearing body armor at normal self defense ranges for civilians.

Rather than the heavy bullets that the Spec Ops and other military marksmen use, I prefer to go up a caliber and use a Grendel or a 6.8 Spc rifle--heavier bullets and better performance beyond the 300 yard or so mark. Some good hunting rounds developed for hog hunting in the 6.8 SPC. The Grendel though seems to be fading in favor the 6mm ARC and the .224 Valkerie appears mostly dead so I would grab brass and reloading equipment for that if you have one.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:27 PM (7oVvH)

178 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:20 PM (t/2Uw)

Sharon, don't undersell yourself too much. You took my H&K MR556A1 (aka civilian H&K 416) with a Trijicon ACOG and got regular headshots on the steel target at Weasel Acres after I zeroed it. That was around 100 yards.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:28 PM (yRXSd)

179 and give it a Sorcerer's Apprentice cleaning.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 08:15 PM (PWe8a)

You're going to put it in your sink and let the water run until it flows out your kitchen window? Interesting technique....

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:28 PM (mdc3p)

180 CBD, as you will have seen here in the thread, many options for custom earplugs, a lot of the guys where I shoot matches have 'em. I've always been fine with conventional plugs (the orange plastic soft ones with baffles), or muffs. Indoors, like Ed L, I always double up (though haven't shot indoors in a few years).

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:28 PM (GcNJ2)

181 Holster for a newer CCW

Seems we all end up getting a variety before deciding what works best for us individually.

If he goes with a standard belt mounted holster make sure to get a new belt - one that has extra stiffening just for carrying a gun. Regular belts are not stiff enough and tend to roll with the added weight.

Personally I run OWB and just always wear untucked short sleeve button up shirts. Sometimes it’s best to tailor the shirts to be straight cut to not look like a slob all the time.

Posted by: PMRich at February 25, 2024 08:29 PM (eh5ud)

182 Good review rhomboid!
*adds the Aladino to shopping list*

Posted by: Diogenes at February 25, 2024 08:29 PM (W/lyH)

183 Grump, impressed to see you adding to the M1 collection.

Do I recall correctly that it already includes one a them eye-talian M1s by Beretta?

Memory serves poorly but I think both my Service Grades had throat/muzzle numbers of 3 and under when sent by CMP.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:30 PM (GcNJ2)

184 I've fired what I recall as being the M-8, but in retrospect, it may have been the M-9. It was just part of a familiarization course of Infantry weapons in an Army school. Both were used with the 106 recoilless rifle, which was actually a 105mm shell. They called it a 106 to distinguish it from the 105 howitzer the Arty guys used.

Posted by: javems at February 25, 2024 08:31 PM (8I4hW)

185 I wish we had more opportunity to shoot outdoors.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:31 PM (t/2Uw)

186 Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:27 PM (7oVvH)

Whig, I'll probably stick w/ 5.56mm because of logistics. 5.56mm is a lot easier to get than the alternatives. Also, caliber creep costs $$ not just for ammo and the rifles, but the magazines, cleaning tools, glass, and more.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:32 PM (yRXSd)

187 Starline's advisory is 90% there to saying only use #34 or #41.
Guessing they known there are others with harder cups but don't go there.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Russian and some other East European makes of ammo come from military ammo plants and use hard military type primers (usually Berdan and not conventionally reloadable).

Other than those, you would do best going to a dedicated reloader subforum on The High Road, Firing Line, etc. I also remember that Cast Boolits has a reloading for military rifles subsection. All of them would be glad to discuss what primers worked for them. Milsurp dot com or Gunboards dot com are more collector sites but you might find a reloader or two there willing to discuss primers.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:32 PM (7oVvH)

188 I use CCI #34s (or the Tula NATO 7.62 - evil russki stuff) in my M1 food.

For the 30 carbine I actually go with regular small rifle primers. The carbine's action isn't nearly as energetic or violent as its bigger brother M1, so I've never worried about it or had a problem. I even messed up and used small pistol primers in about 40 rounds a while back. No problems, but some primers were pierced or nearly so.

I laid in big pile of Federal small pistol for my revolvers, especially the snubs. Famous for easier ignition.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:33 PM (GcNJ2)

189 You're going to put it in your sink and let the water run until it flows out your kitchen window? Interesting technique....
Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:28 PM (mdc3p)

Yeah, pretty much, except substituting Hoppe's #9 for water, and a toothbrush instead of Mickey's sentient mop.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 08:34 PM (PWe8a)

190 Also, when shooting a rifle, I find my cheek weld to the stock causes the ear pad to lift up ever so slightly which pretty much defeats the purpose of wearing them in the first place.
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This. I blame a large part of my recent degradation in hearing to firing an AK-47 about 10 years ago. Big guy, short stock. Loud ka-boom.
Just to be certain as to what happened, I very carefully did it again. Had bad hearing before, terrible after.

Posted by: From about that Time at February 25, 2024 08:34 PM (4780s)

191 I wish we had more opportunity to shoot outdoors.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:31 PM (t/2Uw)

I do too. My best current option is to go down to NC and use one of the state ranges down there. The one I went to (after I found the right turn-off) was nicely kept up and run.

Outdoor ranges in this area tend to be clubs with high membership fees.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:35 PM (mdc3p)

192 Rather than the heavy bullets that the Spec Ops and other military marksmen use, I prefer to go up a caliber and use a Grendel or a 6.8 Spc rifle--heavier bullets and better performance beyond the 300 yard or so mark. Some good hunting rounds developed for hog hunting in the 6.8 SPC. The Grendel though seems to be fading in favor the 6mm ARC and the .224 Valkerie appears mostly dead so I would grab brass and reloading equipment for that if you have one.
Posted by: w


You're not wrong, however, if you were just going to have a gun a 5.56 would be better than the newer and or bigger guns.

Posted by: N at February 25, 2024 08:35 PM (RjBju)

193 153 Gref, if you shoot me an email, I'll take a picture of mine and the name of the guy who did them. Maybe he can direct you. They really are terrific.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:11 PM (t/2Uw)

Sent - thanks!

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 08:36 PM (5fDan)

194 Whig, I'll probably stick w/ 5.56mm because of logistics. 5.56mm is a lot easier to get than the alternatives. Also, caliber creep costs $$ not just for ammo and the rifles, but the magazines, cleaning tools, glass, and more.
Posted by: Ed L
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Understandable. If you were going to pick an intermediate upper that fit on the AR lower, I would suggest the 6.8 SPC as it is suitable for hunting deer in most of the country and has a good reputation with the hunting ammo around with being a good cartridge for hog hunting.

I built a Grendel and 6.8 back in the days of the Obama panics simply so I could still shoot. Everyone bought up 5.56 and brass was non-existent. That is the same reason I put adjustable gas blocks on all builds since then as well--easier on the brass and better if you have to fire ammo with different power profiles in a scarcity.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 08:37 PM (7oVvH)

195 blake, I'm impressed (with the 300-yd M1 strike).

Not sure I've even ever fired at that range at a target. I know the 200-yd plate has given me trouble at the action rifle match when using the M1. Oddly, back when I always shot a Mosin at that match, I'd regularly hit the 200-yd plate with 1 or 2 tries.

And what you said about the plates when hit by manly, adult calibers (ahemm). Standing joke, especially with the 100-yd plates - spotters/onlookers call out "hit", as the plate swings wildly around, or sometimes comes off the chains; my response .... "are you sure?". Meanwhile, those odd black plastic-y looking things with all kinds of scopes and stuff on them used by most of the guys - the 175- and 200-yd plates require binoculars, sometimes, to be sure about hits.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:37 PM (GcNJ2)

196 Thanks for the lenses help.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 25, 2024 08:39 PM (IBIxQ)

197 I use slim muffs for rifle and never have a problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:40 PM (GcNJ2)

198 And what you said about the plates when hit by manly, adult calibers (ahemm). Standing joke, especially with the 100-yd plates - spotters/onlookers call out "hit", as the plate swings wildly around, or sometimes comes off the chains; my response .... "are you sure?". Meanwhile, those odd black plastic-y looking things with all kinds of scopes and stuff on them used by most of the guys - the 175- and 200-yd plates require binoculars, sometimes, to be sure about hits.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:37 PM (GcNJ2)

Which is food for thought, if you ever find yourself faced with the necessity of taking out a jihadi behind the wheel of a "technical".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2024 08:42 PM (tkR6S)

199 Ed L at the last indoor range I belonged to, I would just step outside when an AR-10 or similar customer started shooting. Wait til he was done. Hearing protection via the ear does nothing about impulses that transmit via your bones and skull, which could be a thing with the really ridiculous stuff like an AR-10 next to you at an indoor range.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:43 PM (GcNJ2)

200 155 I wish I knew more about guns.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 25, 2024 08:12 PM (ENQN6)


I am in the Houston area. I would be happy to share my limited knowledge and take you along to my range. If you are interested, send an email to Weasel for forwarding to me.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 08:45 PM (5fDan)

201 AOP for penetration I'd go with good ol' Soviet surplus steel-core for the Mosin. When I first got my M1s I had an opportunity to pick up some black-tip (armor piercing) but passed, not seeing the point.

And fairly sure the worst enemy I'll ever face is own poor shooting at evil paper people, and evil steel plates.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:46 PM (GcNJ2)

202 Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:37 PM (GcNJ2)

Rhomboid, you might find the 9 Hole Reviews You Tube channel's experience using iron sights on the M1 Garand out to 500 yards of interest. On their "Speedway" course, they clear the targets out to 650 yards in under three minutes, again using iron sights only.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:46 PM (yRXSd)

203 I asked about one normal, one near, and was told that wouldn't be a good idea. I went with nearsighted so that I could read without glasses (which the nurse quietly said afterwards was the right pick). Pick what is most important for you and your lifestyle, and be aware you'll probably need some kind of glasses for whichever you don't pick.

Depending on the cloudiness of the membrane sac holding the lenses, you may need a hole burned through them with a laser. That's quick and easy.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 25, 2024 08:05 PM (a3Q+t)

I went with the lenses optimized for distance vision, because I wanted to be able to drive without the need of corrective lenses or prescription sunglasses. I keep the dollar store readers scattered around so there is always a pair handy if I need them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2024 08:47 PM (tkR6S)

204 BTW, Weasel, my second order at Midway was TWO sets of shooting rest bags. Good thing they didn't do shipping by weight on that box, as it was heavy. (They were doing free shipping at the time.)

I assume you put any handles on those down on the bench or to the side?

I am going full on for No Wobbly Sh*t! with my rifles.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:47 PM (mdc3p)

205 Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:43 PM (GcNJ2)

I've stepped back from the firing line for that reason too. If I was almost done, I'd pack it in a bit early. The muzzle blast indoors from .308 is really unpleasant to be around.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:49 PM (yRXSd)

206 The most accurate bullets I have found out of my 6.5 Creedmore are Hornady 140 gr bthp match bullets. At 100 yards they are consistently under 1 moa. Unfortunately they don't have nearly as good a ballistic coeficient as the 140gr ELDM bullets, and don't stay supersonic as far as one might hope. Do the rest of you get similar results?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at February 25, 2024 08:50 PM (CecP5)

207 Ed L, thanks (I think). Have seen the 9 Hole channel, have not checked it out in detail. Actually do recall the long range M1 session. Already getting concerned about my iron sight performance, that video was discouraging.

Have to make a point of 200-yd shots next time at the range. Range goes to 300, but not sure I want to inflict that much pain on myself.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:50 PM (GcNJ2)

208 AOP for penetration I'd go with good ol' Soviet surplus steel-core for the Mosin. When I first got my M1s I had an opportunity to pick up some black-tip (armor piercing) but passed, not seeing the point.

And fairly sure the worst enemy I'll ever face is own poor shooting at evil paper people, and evil steel plates.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:46 PM (GcNJ2)

Well, I sure don't plan on going to play where the technicals roam, not at my age, but both pedo Joe and Justin Castreau seem Hell-bent on importing the sort of demographic that makes use of such things. It's best to have some means of stopping them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2024 08:51 PM (tkR6S)

209 Also, I would recommend the "MidwayUSA AR-15 Bail Out Range Bag" if you want a decent bag for ... well, bugging out or the range. Room for 6 AR mags in outside pockets (the outside pouches will also fit AK-47 mags, based on reviews), one zippered pocket at each end that could probably double as more magazine pouches, and plenty of inside room with a velcro panel on the body side and MOLLE strips across the other side. I can fit a whole Mini-ammo can (MTM brand) in there with room to spare for more ammo. They are regularly on sale for $25-30.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:52 PM (mdc3p)

210 Oddbob, I usually try to use some gun stuff as background for the cigar pics. I assume the stuff in this week's pic was easily identifiable for many.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:53 PM (GcNJ2)

211 It's best to have some means of stopping them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2024 08:51 PM (tkR6S)

That's what my Beowulf is for.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 08:54 PM (mdc3p)

212 Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:50 PM (GcNJ2)

If you want to be humbled, take a look at the 1949 US Army rifle qualification standard in Appendix A of the 2009 paper, "Taking Back The Infantry Half-Kilometer." From a foxhole, behind cover, or through a window, soldiers had to hit targets up to 500 yards out with their M1 Garand. By comparison, today's rifle qualification w/ the M16/M4 only requires the soldier to reach out to 300 meters. And today's rifles all come w/ ACOGs as standard issue. The M1 relied on the Mark 1 Mod Zero eyeball alone.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:59 PM (yRXSd)

213 Outdoor ranges

Check to see if your state DNR has any ranges.

Ohio has about a dozen spread throughout the state. Some staffed, others not.
Costs $24 for a one year permit that you get via the DNR permitting website.
Do not have to be an OH resident if you live close enough to one to make it worthwhile.

Posted by: PMRich at February 25, 2024 08:59 PM (eh5ud)

214 184 I've fired what I recall as being the M-8, but in retrospect, it may have been the M-9. It was just part of a familiarization course of Infantry weapons in an Army school. Both were used with the 106 recoilless rifle, which was actually a 105mm shell. They called it a 106 to distinguish it from the 105 howitzer the Arty guys used.

Posted by: javems at February 25, 2024 08:31 PM (8I4hW)


I believe the Brits used a .50 machine gun with cartridges matched to the main gun's ballistics as the primary or backup ranging 'system' in Centurion tanks in the late 40s and early 50s. 84mm/20-pounder.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 08:59 PM (5fDan)

215 People firing rifles with muzzle breaks indoors can quickly clear the range. Full house 30 cal rounds and larger are also not that pleasant to be around.

Doubling up on ear protection is a must and I usually take the far right or far left position on the range.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:01 PM (7oVvH)

216 Time for me to call it a night.
Thanks to all for the advice, and thanks as always to Weasel for hosting the thread.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 25, 2024 09:02 PM (PWe8a)

217 Good luck with your pistol Van Owen.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:03 PM (7oVvH)

218 Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 08:59 PM (5fDan)

Both the Brits and Israelis used the ranging MG in their up-gunned 105mm Centurions well into the 1980s.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:03 PM (yRXSd)

219 Ed L, thanks for that info.

Years back I think I saw some studies on WWII combat in the ETO, rifle engagements (generally) were at fairly short ranges, far below 500 yds. Which makes sense. Apart from unrealistic scenarios (stationary man-sized target, stationary shooter, good set-up), difficult to imagine many shots would land at 500 yds in real life. Harassing fire, hitting vehicles or materiel, OK.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 09:03 PM (GcNJ2)

220 217 Good luck with your pistol Van Owen.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:03 PM (7oVvH)

+1 here.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)

221 And today's rifles all come w/ ACOGs as standard issue. The M1 relied on the Mark 1 Mod Zero eyeball alone.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 08:59 PM (yRXSd)


I thought the Army is now issuing AimPoint CompM4's as standard issue for M4 carbines. I'm probably wrong! I think the Marines still use ACOG as standard issue for their M4s.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 09:05 PM (5fDan)

222 I'm out too.
Spent some time chasing after my perpetual motion machine of a grandson today. Beat.
Love getting to hang out with all of you,
Have a good week. Report on the new lilac G48 next Sunday.
Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 09:06 PM (t/2Uw)

223 For the 30 carbine I actually go with regular small rifle primers. The carbine's action isn't nearly as energetic or violent as its bigger brother M1, so I've never worried about it or had a problem. I even messed up and used small pistol primers in about 40 rounds a while back. No problems, but some primers were pierced or nearly so.

I laid in big pile of Federal small pistol for my revolvers, especially the snubs. Famous for easier ignition.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Federal primers have more brisance and use a different formula than do other primers. Winchesters are often hotter in terms of brisance while Remington is generally the least. CCI is in the middle.

The major difference in pistol primers and rifle primers as you noted is the thickness of the metal cup that the primer compound is put in. Pistol primers have thinner cups.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:06 PM (7oVvH)

224 1791 makes good holsters, others are VersaCarry, TX 1836, TX Leather Company ,Galco and of course Bianchi. I’ve carried them all depending on firearm and clothing.

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 09:09 PM (NxC5+)

225 >>> today's rifle qualification w/ the M16/M4 only requires the soldier to reach out to 300 meters. And today's rifles all come w/ ACOGs as standard issue. The M1 relied on the Mark 1 Mod Zero eyeball alone.
Posted by: Ed L

It's almost a participation trophy.
Got 'Expert' or 37 of 40. M16-A2.

Three targets are at 300. Didn't shoot at any of them. Dropped the rest and left three unspent rounds at the line when my turn was done. Why shoot at 300 when I hitting 50/50. Saved extra rounds for the 250 targets where I was hitting 75% of the time.
The rest... pfft.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 25, 2024 09:09 PM (cOq4q)

226 Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 09:03 PM (GcNJ2)

Interestingly, the author of that paper argues that the 1949 marksmanship standard is a far more realistic application of combat rifle use than the current Army rifle qualification. The last rifle marksmanship qualification I went through (2011) had us shooting either from the foxhole, prone, or kneeling. No standing shots, or shots from behind things like windows or building corners. That paper is worth a read if you're interested in how the Army decided to go with the XM7 SIG Spear rifle.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:10 PM (yRXSd)

227 Grump, impressed to see you adding to the M1 collection.

Do I recall correctly that it already includes one a them eye-talian M1s by Beretta?

Memory serves poorly but I think both my Service Grades had throat/muzzle numbers of 3 and under when sent by CMP.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2024 08:30 PM (GcNJ2)



Sorry, I was watching the shoot out in Open Range.

Yes, I have a couple of H&R M1s, one rebarreled (the zero). The other has an original barrel but must have barely been shot.

That JRA BM59 is also very sweet. The Italians make good stuff.

I like the Cold War battle rifles but have gotten into the 5.56 stuff over the last few years.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:10 PM (3GvCN)

228 206 The most accurate bullets I have found out of my 6.5 Creedmore are Hornady 140 gr bthp match bullets. At 100 yards they are consistently under 1 moa. Unfortunately they don't have nearly as good a ballistic coeficient as the 140gr ELDM bullets, and don't stay supersonic as far as one might hope. Do the rest of you get similar results?
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe
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Rifles are particular in what bullets get maximum accuracy in a particular cartridge. I would actually call up the Hornady folks as they might be able to provide some guidance. Sometimes it even alerts the mfg that something is not right with a mfg lot or something.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:10 PM (7oVvH)

229 Report on the new lilac G48 next Sunday.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 09:06 PM (t/2Uw)

We need pictures!

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 09:12 PM (mdc3p)

230 And, as always, thanks, Weasel, for putting this together.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 09:14 PM (mdc3p)

231 On the 556 front, I finally got a new H&R receiver (formerly Nodak) from PSA for my last 70s era M16A1 parts kit. I can take the A2 receiver off it now so it will be more correctly retro.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:14 PM (3GvCN)

232 Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 09:05 PM (5fDan)

It's a mix of the two based on my personal observations. The Aimpoint is much better if you're doing things like clearing a building in an urban environment. Which I had to do in Baghdad a couple of times in 2007. But you need that ACOG if you want to reach out further than about 200 meters. I brought my own Aimpoint Comp M4S to Afghanistan in 2011-12. Without a LOT of practice with it, it was hard to get my rounds on target beyond 200 meters. It took me 3 tries to get through the rifle qualification course that day.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:15 PM (yRXSd)

233 “ People firing rifles with muzzle breaks indoors can quickly clear the range. Full house 30 cal rounds and larger are also not that pleasant to be around”

Formerly Point Blank, now Range USA - it depended on which facility you went to. Only one of the three in my area had a designated range for rifle (2 ranges w/ 10 lanes each setup)
Going to any other was a crap shoot as to what was going to be in the lane next to you.

Never failed that when I took a less experienced person to the Dayton range - AK or an AR-10 gets put into the next lane. Even when I specifically told them that this is a newbie, please do not do put a high powered gun next to us.

Posted by: PMRich at February 25, 2024 09:16 PM (eh5ud)

234 My salmon dinner was tasty. Doggeh got the skin, and is happy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2024 09:18 PM (tkR6S)

235 Posted by: PMRich at February 25, 2024 09:16 PM (eh5ud)

Ugh. Not cool.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 09:18 PM (mdc3p)

236 Never failed that when I took a less experienced person to the Dayton range - AK or an AR-10 gets put into the next lane. Even when I specifically told them that this is a newbie, please do not do put a high powered gun next to us.
Posted by: PMRich
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Nasty problem at an indoor range and a good way to discourage new comers. The blast from a 308 in the adjacent firing position is enough to cause a flinch.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:19 PM (7oVvH)

237 Hey guys, howdy weasel!

I use the cheapo orange earplugs strung together with blue line as my ear protection. Seems to work just fine for me.

Range report, met MAE at our usual spot and for the first time in three weeks I didn't have a spawn with me to have to concentrate on, so I got to just focus and shoot for myself. I put 100 rounds through the Ronin and shot very well. I did about 50 rounds in a Mozambique drill and am getting better at holding my double taps in the 0 ring. Head shots all spot on.

Then I put 40 rounds through the Ruger Mark IV just for funzies. I love that pistol!

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 25, 2024 09:20 PM (55XrO)

238 Nasty problem at an indoor range and a good way to discourage new comers. The blast from a 308 in the adjacent firing position is enough to cause a flinch.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:19 PM (7oVvH)



My M44 will make people run away and that is bare barreled.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:21 PM (3GvCN)

239 Oh, and Mark brought a Henry single shot .556 rifle with him. How fun! Our indoor range only goes out to 25 yards, but still a hoot.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 25, 2024 09:21 PM (55XrO)

240 My M44 will make people run away and that is bare barreled.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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Equivalent to a 308 in blast with a relatively short (for a Mosin) barrel. Sov Bloc did not spend much on flash retardant either in their ammo which can give some spectacular fireballs on a darkened range.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:23 PM (7oVvH)

241 232 Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 09:05 PM (5fDan)

It's a mix of the two based on my personal observations. The Aimpoint is much better if you're doing things like clearing a building in an urban environment. Which I had to do in Baghdad a couple of times in 2007. But you need that ACOG if you want to reach out further than about 200 meters. I brought my own Aimpoint Comp M4S to Afghanistan in 2011-12. Without a LOT of practice with it, it was hard to get my rounds on target beyond 200 meters. It took me 3 tries to get through the rifle qualification course that day.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:15 PM (yRXSd)


Ed, thank you for your service.
And thanks for the knowledge and wisdom you share with us every week and at Mome's.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 09:25 PM (5fDan)

242 Thanks for hosting this thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:25 PM (yRXSd)

243 Nasty problem at an indoor range and a good way to discourage new comers. The blast from a 308 in the adjacent firing position is enough to cause a flinch.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:19 PM (7oVvH)


My M44 will make people run away and that is bare barreled.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:21 PM


Heh. Back in June, shooting next to my Model 70 Target in .308, with just a crowned barrel, Scoob's comment was something like "well, that's...concussive."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 25, 2024 09:25 PM (Wnv9h)

244 Ed, thank you for your service.
And thanks for the knowledge and wisdom you share with us every week and at Mome's.
Posted by: Gref
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Ditto.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:25 PM (7oVvH)

245 150 PI, there was a holster seller at the last gun show I went to and he was terrific. He had a holster for my glock, showed how it could be adjusted and we talked about the best place for a petite person like me to carry it. They were mostly leather, reasonable priced. I felt a lot more educated after that. I will definitely go back when I've got the Glock outfitted. that's the other item for the April gun show.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 25, 2024 08:08 PM


That is excellent advice, sharon.

He can stand there and try on 10 different ones and see if any feel decent.

I used to trust Cabela's for stuff like that. Now they employ people at the gun counter that know less than I do. (With a few experts sprinkled in.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 25, 2024 09:26 PM (HlyYF)

246 @ 244-
Amen.

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 09:27 PM (NxC5+)

247 My M44 will make people run away and that is bare barreled.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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Equivalent to a 308 in blast with a relatively short (for a Mosin) barrel. Sov Bloc did not spend much on flash retardant either in their ammo which can give some spectacular fireballs on a darkened range.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:23 PM (7oVvH)


From behind the stock it isn't bad but the first time I let someone else shoot it with me on the side the concussion was like a push in the chest. I was like Holy Crap!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:27 PM (3GvCN)

248 Heh. Back in June, shooting next to my Model 70 Target in .308, with just a crowned barrel, Scoob's comment was something like "well, that's...concussive."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Yes it would be. I have various forward compensators instead of muzzle breaks on some of my range toys so that the blast is not as bad from teh firing line.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:28 PM (7oVvH)

249 Agreed, thank you Ed for your service, and for the endless knowledge and wisdom you share with all of us.

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 09:29 PM (IQ6Gq)

250 Hi there, Grateful! How are you, lovely lady?

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 25, 2024 09:30 PM (55XrO)

251 From behind the stock it isn't bad but the first time I let someone else shoot it with me on the side the concussion was like a push in the chest. I was like Holy Crap!
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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The 7.62x54r is a potent round that has been around longer as a service cartridge than the 30-06.

Rimmed cartridges also give an extra margin of safety in old rifles by sealing the chamber at best and deflecting gas at worse.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:30 PM (7oVvH)

252 Sticky holsters are good as long as you don't mind having your piece pointed at either your junk or your femoral artery.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 25, 2024 09:31 PM (MeG8a)

253 Hi Nurse, I need to get your email so I can chat with you about Corsicana. Please ask Weasel to share?

Posted by: Grateful at February 25, 2024 09:32 PM (IQ6Gq)

254 Back from dinner. I cheated and scanned the thread while waiting for food so I'm current on about the first hour or so.

1) cataracts -- I had mine done about 5 years ago, went with the far distance fixed lenses and wear reading glasses like every other 29 year old guy. They have lenses that are supposed to focus like natural lenses but my ophthalmologist recommended against them because, besides being expen$ive and not covered by insurance, he said that about 25% of his patients who got them were dissatisfied.

2) holsters -- I second the recommendation for TT Gun Leather. Todd is a good guy and will work with you if you have special requests.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 25, 2024 09:32 PM (sNc8Y)

255 The 7.62x54r is a potent round that has been around longer as a service cartridge than the 30-06.


I have wondered it the surplus cans that I bought weren't a bit hot loaded since it was probably intended as MG ammo rather than for the Mosin.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:32 PM (3GvCN)

256 Should I buy or avoid a TriStar Viper G2?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 25, 2024 09:33 PM (0FoWg)

257 Saw an interesting rifle at the gun show yesterday. It was a Navy Arms 45-70 with an Enfield action.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 25, 2024 09:33 PM (tkR6S)

258 Just reading along and I see that comment from sharon(willow’s apprentice) about going back after getting the Glock outfitted…….. DUH PMRich you’re on the gun thread maybe someone here can help you!

Does anybody sell aftermarket Glock Gen 4 slide with optic cuts?
I can find Gen3 which technically fit, but they use different recoil springs and you end up with that ugly gap between the slide and dust cover

Posted by: PMRich at February 25, 2024 09:35 PM (eh5ud)

259 I have wondered it the surplus cans that I bought weren't a bit hot loaded since it was probably intended as MG ammo rather than for the Mosin.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Possible. Depends on the bullet weight as I think that the MG ammo used the heavier bullet around 180 gr while the infantry used the lighter 140 some odd grain bullets.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:35 PM (7oVvH)

260 That JRA BM59 is also very sweet. The Italians make good stuff.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:10 PM (3GvCN)

Concur. My BM 59 will hit from 100-600 yards just clicking the rear sight post to the desired range.

Runs flawlessly and is a blast to shoot at rapid fire drills.

It and it's magazines are built like a tank.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 25, 2024 09:36 PM (R/m4+)

261 Y'all have a good night and a good upcoming week.
I'll see y'all about. Night.

Posted by: GWB at February 25, 2024 09:37 PM (mdc3p)

262 257 Saw an interesting rifle at the gun show yesterday. It was a Navy Arms 45-70 with an Enfield action.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Navy Arms sold quite a few of them back in the day. Conversions of Siamese Mausers also worked as Thailand used an odd rimmed cartridge in their Japanese made Mausers (by license).

Not sure about the longevity of the Enfield butt stock though firing a 45-70 on a regular basis.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:38 PM (7oVvH)

263 PMRich, just type Glock Gen 4 aftermarket slides. A plethora, this will get you.

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 09:38 PM (NxC5+)

264 Possible. Depends on the bullet weight as I think that the MG ammo used the heavier bullet around 180 gr while the infantry used the lighter 140 some odd grain bullets.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:35 PM (7oVvH)


Hmm, well, these are the lighter rounds but without stripper clips so I wondered. I have heard that that is an issue with surplus Tokarev ammo.

I do have some brass Yugo 182g ammo that I shoot in my M39 to simulate the correct 'D' ammo it should be using.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:39 PM (3GvCN)

265 Does anybody sell aftermarket Glock Gen 4 slide with optic cuts?
I can find Gen3 which technically fit, but they use different recoil springs and you end up with that ugly gap between the slide and dust cover
Posted by: PMRich
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Yes they do. Try Aim Surplus or Midway USA for starters.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:39 PM (7oVvH)

266 RMBS, you’ll note I was standing behind you most of the time. The only time I got concussed was when using the spotting scope next to you.
But just part of the game.

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 09:39 PM (2hOms)

267 253 Hi Nurse, I need to get your email so I can chat with you about Corsicana. Please ask Weasel to share?
Posted by: Grateful

Will do!

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 25, 2024 09:40 PM (yfWdj)

268 My BM 59 will hit from 100-600 yards just clicking the rear sight post to the desired range.

Runs flawlessly and is a blast to shoot at rapid fire drills.

It and it's magazines are built like a tank.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 25, 2024 09:36 PM (R/m4+)


Plus, it's a beautiful rifle. Sexy almost.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:42 PM (3GvCN)

269 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 25, 2024 09:33 PM (0FoWg)

Looks like it's a Turkish made shotgun. Are you prepared to accept that QC on these things is hit and miss? That's OK for a range toy, but completely unacceptable if you're going to bet your life on it in a home defense or SHTF scenario. For a few $$ more, you could get a Mossberg 590, a shotgun tough enough to be USMC resistant. Marines have bet their lives for three decades on the reliability of the Mossberg 590 in Kuwait, Irag, Afghanistan, and a bunch of other places. Can the Tri-Star Viper G2 claim that?

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:43 PM (yRXSd)

270 Hmm, well, these are the lighter rounds but without stripper clips so I wondered. I have heard that that is an issue with surplus Tokarev ammo.

I do have some brass Yugo 182g ammo that I shoot in my M39 to simulate the correct 'D' ammo it should be using.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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Smokeless powder has stabilizers that eventually are used up---quicker if the ammo storage is hotter and wetter than spec'ed. Excessively handling can also lead to powder breakdown and change burn rates.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:44 PM (7oVvH)

271 Not sure about the longevity of the Enfield butt stock though firing a 45-70 on a regular basis.

Posted by: whig
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Larry Potterfield has a video out on reinforcing the neck.

Posted by: Braenyard at February 25, 2024 09:45 PM (vBg2o)

272 Ed L speaks the truth on Mossbergs. Tough and reliable.

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 09:45 PM (NxC5+)

273 Okay...speaking of holsters!

My H&K USP .40S&W is my bedside gun, and I mounted a light on it because I don't carry it. But because of the work I had done on it the trigger is wonderful, accuracy is much better, and the DA trigger is very manageable. So...I am considering using it as a (not the) carry piece.

The problem is finding leather for it. Yes, that is certainly a First World Problem, but still!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2024 09:45 PM (gSZYf)

274 Larry Potterfield has a video out on reinforcing the neck.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Thanks. I'll have a look.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:46 PM (7oVvH)

275 The problem is finding leather for it. Yes, that is certainly a First World Problem, but still!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Custom is probably your best bet. H&K may have a company store that sells some as well.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:47 PM (7oVvH)

276 Just watched the cold weather shooting vid. As expected, the AKs operated flawlessly. AR safety selector and mag release buttons froze up.
I seem to recall M1 shooters in the Battle of the Bulge had to piss on their receivers/op rods to thaw them enough to shoot. Or maybe that was the Frozen Chosin in Korea.

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 09:48 PM (2hOms)

277 It and it's magazines are built like a tank.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 25, 2024 09:36 PM (R/m4+)

Plus, it's a beautiful rifle. Sexy almost.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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What the M14 should have been and that would have saved the US a bunch of money. Rifles designed by committee generally don't prosper.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:48 PM (7oVvH)

278 Head shots all spot on.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 25, 2024 09:20 PM (55XrO)


I did not know that Marijuana is legal in Washington!

Posted by: Emily Litella at February 25, 2024 09:49 PM (gSZYf)

279 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2024 09:45 PM (gSZYf)

CBD, you might have to take it to a holster maker and have a holster custom made for it. The combo of a light mounted on the pistol makes it hard to find an "off the shelf" solution.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:50 PM (yRXSd)

280 276 Just watched the cold weather shooting vid. As expected, the AKs operated flawlessly. AR safety selector and mag release buttons froze up.
I seem to recall M1 shooters in the Battle of the Bulge had to piss on their receivers/op rods to thaw them enough to shoot. Or maybe that was the Frozen Chosin in Korea.
Posted by: RI Red
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Can't really see why unless improperly lubed that the safety selector and the mag release would freeze up. You would need moisture to do that.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:51 PM (7oVvH)

281 Fair enough.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 25, 2024 09:52 PM (0FoWg)

282 Custom is probably your best bet. H&K may have a company store that sells some as well.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:47 PM (7oVvH)

Yeah...that's what I thought, but still.

My current carry holster is a custom piece from the Czech Republic. beautiful work, but slow...slow...slow!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2024 09:52 PM (gSZYf)

283 Whig, what made the BM-59 so much better?

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 09:54 PM (2hOms)

284 277 It and it's magazines are built like a tank.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 25, 2024 09:36 PM (R/m4+)

Plus, it's a beautiful rifle. Sexy almost.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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What the M14 should have been and that would have saved the US a bunch of money. Rifles designed by committee generally don't prosper.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:48 PM (7oVvH)


NIH Sydrome. Very common in the US military and its services, and in the aerospace industry. Especially against foreign designs.

NIH = Not Invented Here

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 09:55 PM (5fDan)

285 What the M14 should have been and that would have saved the US a bunch of money. Rifles designed by committee generally don't prosper.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:48 PM (7oVvH)

The Italians really did a nice job on the muzzle compensator they designed for the rifle. Really does a nice job of taming the 7.62 x 51 and I use a Schuster adjustable gas plug which helps even more in smoothing her out.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 25, 2024 09:55 PM (R/m4+)

286 Can't really see why unless improperly lubed that the safety selector and the mag release would freeze up. You would need moisture to do that.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024

Yeah, they poured water on them and let them freeze up..

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 09:56 PM (2hOms)

287 CBD, you might have to take it to a holster maker and have a holster custom made for it. The combo of a light mounted on the pistol makes it hard to find an "off the shelf" solution.

I just mentioned TT Gun Leather and I've told this story here before but it's relevant to this. His website listed a fit for my Sig P290 but not with the factory laser module. I called him up and asked if I sent him my module (just the module, not the whole gun), could he make a holster to fit. He did, and it came out perfect. You might ask if he could do the same with your light.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 25, 2024 09:56 PM (sNc8Y)

288 Need to say thanks to the horde before the ONT emerges. Have a great week. Can't say I understood everything but enjoyed being here. Cheers!

Posted by: TRex at February 25, 2024 09:57 PM (IQ6Gq)

289 Should I buy or avoid a TriStar Viper G2?
Posted by: Y


Avoid.

Why would you not just buy a Beretta, or, if you're trying to save $, a mossy?

They run forever.

Posted by: N at February 25, 2024 09:57 PM (RjBju)

290 CBD, my Crossdraw holster for driving took over a year.

Posted by: Eromero at February 25, 2024 09:57 PM (NxC5+)

291 Holsters are like work boots/shoes, kind of. Especially concealed carry.
You won't really know if they're wearable until you've worn them to work and had to be in them for a full shift.
With my usual carry piece I managed to find a good fit with only three purchases, which is all but miraculous. You just don't know how it will fit or ride until you actually carry for a while with it.
In this case I bought a discontinued Safariland model off eBay for cheap just to have 'an extra' and it unexpectedly turned out to be The One, and luckily it was from a police or security company trade-in so I was able to get another one from the same vendor as soon as I realized.

Posted by: LenNeal at February 25, 2024 09:57 PM (43xH1)

292 264 Possible. Depends on the bullet weight as I think that the MG ammo used the heavier bullet around 180 gr while the infantry used the lighter 140 some odd grain bullets.
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:35 PM (7oVvH)

Hmm, well, these are the lighter rounds but without stripper clips so I wondered. I have heard that that is an issue with surplus Tokarev ammo.

I do have some brass Yugo 182g ammo that I shoot in my M39 to simulate the correct 'D' ammo it should be using.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

G'rump928, I had it wrong and I apologize. It is the reverse for the Soviets unlike those in the West. The lighter ammo is indeed for machine guns aside from a lighter gallery load for training. The heavier bullets are for the rifles.

Bothered me enough to check. Link to wwII ammo data site http://tinyurl.com/nveyt49x

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:57 PM (7oVvH)

293 Whig, what made the BM-59 so much better?
Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 09:54 PM (2hOms)



It cost $42 to convert a M1 and they developed everything from idea to deployment in 5 years.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 09:57 PM (3GvCN)

294 ONT nood. Thanks again for a great thread!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 25, 2024 09:58 PM (v23vE)

295 The combo of a light mounted on the pistol makes it hard to find an "off the shelf" solution.

Posted by: Ed L at February 25, 2024 09:50 PM (yRXSd)

Absolutely! I have looked a probably 50 holster maker's websites with no luck. I know I can get one made, but I would love to buy a reasonably priced Kydex holster and see whether I want to carry it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2024 09:59 PM (gSZYf)

296 Yeah, they poured water on them and let them freeze up..
Posted by: RI Red
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That would do it.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:59 PM (7oVvH)

297 Whig, what made the BM-59 so much better?
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It looks cool to me!

JRA James River Armory
http://tinyurl.com/4bz73exh

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 10:00 PM (2yu8s)

298 Bothered me enough to check. Link to wwII ammo data site http://tinyurl.com/nveyt49x
Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 09:57 PM (7oVvH)



You are a conscientious fellow. That's why I like you and your encyclopedic knowledge.

You are the Anna Puma of firearms here.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 10:01 PM (3GvCN)

299 293 Whig, what made the BM-59 so much better?
Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 09:54 PM (2hOms)

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It cost $42 to convert a M1 and they developed everything from idea to deployment in 5 years.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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The M-14 was designed around the idea that it would replace the BAR as a squad rifle, be select fire, and be the primary infantry weapon.

It was a fine rifle but not suitable for select fire nor to replace the BAR.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 10:01 PM (7oVvH)

300 103 and 121,

I had cataract surgery in both eyes last fall. I opted for far vision so I need glasses for reading and the computer and any close work within about 18 inches. Fortunately, I have no trouble seeing the rear or front sights. The surgery also almost eliminated my astigmatism. Best eyesight I've had in over 60 years.

Posted by: JTB at February 25, 2024 10:02 PM (zudum)

301 Well, to our absent, hard-working, proprietor, thanks again for the GT.
As always, I learn something new every time, weasel.

Posted by: RI Red at February 25, 2024 10:02 PM (2hOms)

302 It looks cool to me!

JRA James River Armory
http://tinyurl.com/4bz73exh
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 10:00 PM (2yu8s)


That's the E model, basically a mag fed M1. I have the Italia (sp?) with the grenade launcher, bipod, and the long compensator/genade spout combo.

Same mags though.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 10:03 PM (3GvCN)

303 You are a conscientious fellow. That's why I like you and your encyclopedic knowledge.

You are the Anna Puma of firearms here.

Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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High praise indeed. Thanks. Sorry again about getting it wrong. Generally, in the West, heavier bullets were used in their machine guns due to the fact that heavier bullets resisted the wind better and were better at penetrating cover.

Soviets concluded differently at least as far as their 7.62x54r chambered ammo goes.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 10:04 PM (7oVvH)

304 This is mine

https://bityl.co/ONaB

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 10:04 PM (3GvCN)

305 That's the E model, basically a mag fed M1. I have the Italia (sp?) with the grenade launcher, bipod, and the long compensator/grenade spout combo.
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There are other versions on the product page with bipods like the Alpini Mountaineer version too.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 10:07 PM (2yu8s)

306 304 This is mine
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Very nice.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 10:08 PM (2yu8s)

307 The M-14 design was troubled and Springfield Armory was simply not able to manufacture the receivers fast enough and there were problems with receiver and bolt quality. Eventually, the program ended up using TRW and several others to make the receivers on a crash basis using early CNC machining. It was not fast enough to save the program from cancellation and replacement with the AR rifle.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 10:08 PM (7oVvH)

308 Goodnight folks.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 10:09 PM (7oVvH)

309 There are other versions on the product page with bipods like the Alpini Mountaineer version too.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 10:07 PM (2yu8s)


I would like to have an original pistol grip stock. The Italians made one like our M14E2.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 10:10 PM (3GvCN)

310 307 The M-14 design was troubled and Springfield Armory was simply not able to manufacture the receivers fast enough and there were problems with receiver and bolt quality. Eventually, the program ended up using TRW and several others to make the receivers on a crash basis using early CNC machining. It was not fast enough to save the program from cancellation and replacement with the AR rifle.

Posted by: whig at February 25, 2024 10:08 PM (7oVvH)


IIRC, Harrington and Richardson was the initial contractor for the bulk of M-14 production. They had too many problems and the Army switched to TRW as the production contractor.

Posted by: Gref at February 25, 2024 10:13 PM (5fDan)

311 Night, all.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 10:16 PM (2yu8s)

312 JRA James River Armory
http://tinyurl.com/4bz73exh
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 25, 2024 10:00 PM (2yu8s)



Thanks for that link. I have not been to JRA's site in a long time and I see that they will build out a parts kit for you with their receiver for a reasonable price. I have two kits in the attic (bought when they were real cheap and I wanted spare parts for the Italia that I had) and was thinking about just selling them because I didn't have receivers or barrels.

https://bityl.co/ONac

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 10:16 PM (3GvCN)

313 The 70s and 80s most arcade games were a quarter. Pinball or video. In the nineties is when they started requiring piles of quarters.

Posted by: Fisht at February 25, 2024 10:16 PM (BHEHK)

314 Looking at that restoration reminds me of the original hatchet that George Washington cut down the cherry tree with that I found in the dirt. After I replaced the extremely rusted head and rotted handle, it looks great!

Posted by: ERF at February 25, 2024 11:15 PM (qqD/x)

315 The American Rifleman on the BM59.

https://bityl.co/ONek

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 25, 2024 11:54 PM (3GvCN)

316 Camping and shewtin’ this weekend. I wanted to make sure my repairs on my 1866. Carbine replica were working - answer was yes indeed. Introduced a few folks to the possibilities of lever action and the 45-70…
Thanks as always, Weasel.

Posted by: Coelacanth at February 26, 2024 12:27 AM (0A/JS)

317 I like these ear buds very much. They have both hearing protection and enhancement plus blue tooth to your phone. They are always running specials of BOGO or 40% off around holidays. The enhancement works well for hunting.

https://goaxil.com/pages/xcor

I also like Decibulz percussive ear plugs. These stop the noise of the rifle but not the sultry cooings of hot range babes. $75. I used these when I was coaching my son’s clays team.


Hope this helps.

Posted by: MikeCLT at February 26, 2024 06:54 AM (rjIDp)

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