Biden's Frenz in Iran Direct Their Proxy Armies to Kill At Least Three American Servicemen; Deathcount Likely to Grow

The Iranian terror mullahs are our Partners in Peace (TM). That's what Obama and Val Jarrett have decided. And the decrepit idiot Joe Biden is too weak to question them.

Three U.S. service members were killed and at least 25 others were injured in a drone attack on an outpost in northeast Jordan near the Syrian border, U.S. Central Command confirmed on Sunday.
But a senior U.S. defense official told Fox News the injury toll could rise to higher than 25 Americans. Most, if not all, of those injured and killed were Army soldiers based in northern Jordan near the Syrian border at a base known as Tower 22, which has been in support of the counter-ISIS mission for year, the official said.
Some of the 25-plus injured have been medically evacuated from the base, likely to Landstuhl in Germany, according to the official. It is not clear if they were hit while sleeping in the residential compound at the base. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is actively engaged in discussions taking place at the White House about how to respond.

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The White House said President Biden was briefed Sunday morning by Austin, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, and Principal Deputy National Security Advisor Jon Finer about the attack, which marked a significant escalation as it's the first time U.S. troops have been killed by enemy fire in the Middle East since the Israel-Hamas war began on Oct. 7.

Yes, but they have been frequently -- nigh constantly -- fired upon and targeted by Iran's proxy terror groups, and the US media has refused to cover this, as they know it makes Biden look both impotent and foolish, given that he still thinks Iran is his Partner in Peace (TM).

The media Just Wants to Inform the Public (TM).

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Biden blasted "radical Iran-backed militant groups" in reacting to the attack.
"Today, America's heart is heavy. Last night, three U.S. service members were killed -- and many wounded -- during an unmanned aerial drone attack on our forces stationed in northeast Jordan near the Syria border," he said. "While we are still gathering the facts of this attack, we know it was carried out by radical Iran-backed militant groups operating in Syria and Iraq."

Maybe your next care package to Iran should be $8 billion instead of $10 billion, just to show how peeved you are.

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In the wake of the attack, Republicans condemned Biden's perceived inaction so far and some went further, accusing the president of appeasing Iran.
"Iran's proxies have launched over 150 attacks on US troops since October, as the Iran-backed Houthis attack global shipping, and Iran-backed Hezbollah and Hamas attack our ally Israel. The Biden administration's failed Middle East policy has destroyed our deterrence against adversaries in the Middle East. We need a major reset of our Middle East policy to protect our national security interests and restore deterrence," House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said.

Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani

Biden and Obama have helped to fund the Iran proxies who killed our troops.
Obama even sent them millions in cash.
What do we call that?

Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre on the three US troops kiIIed in Jordan:

"We lost 3 folks who are military folks… fighting on behalf of the administration" pic.twitter.com/QKW92wGj1s
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 29, 2024

Holy s**t, looks like Biden's Dementia Stutter has gone viral:

JUST IN: Karine Jean-Pierre sounds worse than Biden, struggles to pronounce her words as she tries offering condolences to 3 troops killed in Jordan.

Is she on drugs?

“What I will say, our deepest, uh, obviously our deepest condolences, uh, go out and our health, heartfelt… pic.twitter.com/RF0Em7GdOh
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) January 29, 2024

Jim Hanson points out that Biden has given a lot (most?) of our precision guided munitions to Ukraine so our ability to strike Iran is compromised.

I'm curious to see what MAGA says about this. MAGA is made up of two different impulses, and sometimes the same people expressing contradictory impulses just hours apart:

First, there's the hardcore pacifist/isolationist impulse, which has hardened from a mere guidance to an absolute doctrine.

There there's the Make the Rubble Bounce contingent.

I do not know which of these doctrines is supposed to be the MAGA foreign policy. They are both advanced with vigor at different times. Trump, of course, will embrace one or the other at different times.

Trump surrogate Richard Grennell is blaming Biden for the attacks. But he's not blaming Biden for his weakness, but rather for his "war mongering:"

Richard Grenell
@RichardGrenell
2 Navy Seals and 3 US soldiers have been killed in the last week because Joe Biden gave Iran billions of dollars in sanctions relief, credit and cash.
It's people like @RonFilipkowski who give Joe Biden aid and comfort in times like this by ignoring his disastrous war mongering.

I know Tucker Carlson is now claiming that unspecified "interests" in the US want a war with Iran that no one else does and will not stop until they get it.

But it sure seems to me like Iran wants a war, and that the impulse to "blame America first" is now becoming a major part of what is called "America First." (Or America Only, as some call it.) This is/was a common claim on the left, that all aggression by foreign regimes is/was always due to America pushing/manipulating the foreign attackers into it. And it now seems to be a major -- perhaps dominant -- strain of thought on the MAGA right as well.

I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:10 PM

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1 Good afternoon Ace

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2024 12:10 PM (fwDg9)

2 yep

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 29, 2024 12:11 PM (R4t5M)

3 "We lost 3 folks who are military folks… fighting on behalf of the administration"

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When they tell you, listen.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:12 PM (k1AR8)

4 SPONGE!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:12 PM (xcxpd)

5 A vision of things to come. Expect drone attacks to be the car bomb of the 80's.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:12 PM (xcxpd)

6 Raggity Karine maybe the job of lies daily is getting to her.

Na, Leftists lie with the ease you breath

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2024 12:13 PM (fwDg9)

7 Yo, Ace! How's it goin', Bro?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 12:13 PM (9yWhg)

8 Kalorama's plan is to force us all under Islam one way or another.

It's just a matter of if we're gonna be speaking Arabic (Sunni) or Farsi (Shi'a).

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:13 PM (UnA8+)

9 Giuliani better be careful, or there'll be a court fining him $280 million for defamation of character and public endangerment, or something.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 29, 2024 12:14 PM (bhRsz)

10 SIX BILLION DOLLARS!

Posted by: It's Shower Time, Ashley! at January 29, 2024 12:14 PM (YAtuc)

11 Mebbe just before we launch another sandbox adventure we claw those billions back.

Just a thought. I know. Crazy take, right?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 29, 2024 12:14 PM (IG4Id)

12 >>>>I know Tucker Carlson is now claiming that unspecified "interests" in the US want a war with Iran

Can't wait for Carlson's softball interview with Ilhan Omar.

Posted by: Mark1971 at January 29, 2024 12:14 PM (xPl2J)

13 now, speaking for MAGA...anyone who kills any of our people, they get killed 10 times over. Revenge and do not fuck with us.

That is not open for negotiation. But after payback, yeah I'm ok with pulling back and bunkering up. I'd rather see US troops securing our border rather than Jordan's.

But I expect drone attacks there, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:15 PM (xcxpd)

14 I'm curious to see what MAGA says about this. MAGA is made up of two different impulses, and sometimes the same people expressing contradictory impulses just hours apart:

First, there's the hardcore pacifist/isolationist impulse, which has hardened from a mere guidance to an absolute doctrine.

There there's the Make the Rubble Bounce contingent.

I do not know which of these doctrines is supposed to be the MAGA foreign policy...

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I'll bite:

This didn't happen under Trump, it can be assumed for a reason.

Also I'm fine with being an isolationist until it's time to make the rubble bounce, then leaving unless more rubble needs bouncing. I reject 20 year wars to hand over a country to the Muslim military groups who are unable to secure and occupy it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:15 PM (k1AR8)

15 "We lost 3 folks who are military folks… fighting on behalf of the administration"

OUT: POTUS
IN: POSUS

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:15 PM (wtvvX)

16 Biden's hasn't hit back for this one yet because DoD can't find a semi-worthwhile target that's totally unoccupied, so no Iranians will get a scratch, let alone get killed. If that occurs, the Iranians might stop sending 10% of their oil revenues to the Big Guy.

Posted by: Gref at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (5fDan)

17 But it sure seems to me like Iran wants a war

Nah, Iran is publicly denying that they did it.

They'll let their proxies humiliate the Great Satan, while denying responsibility.

Posted by: ARC of History! at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (YAtuc)

18 Jim Hanson points out that Biden has given a lot (most?) of our precision guided munitions to Ukraine so our ability to strike Iran is compromised.

The link contains only an assertion, but no real evidence. Do you have another source that backs up this startling claim?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (CsUN+)

19 "Fighting on behalf of the administration " doesn't seem right.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (Gf82x)

20 It's like we are teetering on a precipice leading straight to hell.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (R4t5M)

21 15 "We lost 3 folks who are military folks… fighting on behalf of the administration"

OUT: POTUS
IN: POSUS
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:15 PM (wtvvX)

POAUS? President of the Administration of the United States?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (xcxpd)

22 Watch - Biden ain't gonna do shit, except make loud threats no one believes.

Just like the Texas standoff - Biden ain't gonna do sit, except make loud threats no one believes.

Just like in his dispute with the Israeli Govm't about war strategy - Biden ain't gonna do sit, except make loud threats no one believes.

At least the Houthi situtiaon is a minor break in the pattern; someone else ordered at least some minimum action, but Biden is still gonna make sure it's too half hearted to have any effect, and then he'll make loud threats no one believes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (i9ffA)

23 Those moslems are our friends are our friends and will get a Biden! Listen Fat! Those moslems and with their help we willed or worse. My worse. My worse. My word as and with their help we willed or worse. My word as are our friends a Biden! Those our friends are our friends a lot of americans kill get a Biden! Listen Jack!

Posted by: Joe Biden's Gibberish at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (Dc73h)

24 The military contractors couldn't get Putin to bite in Ukraine, so they'll try him through Iran.

Eventually one is bound to work and we can get that long-term war money flowing again.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (k1AR8)

25 I think Trump's foreign policy would go along the lines of saying to Iran "nice oil exporting infrastructure you have there, it'd be a shame if anything happened to it".

Posted by: MichiCanuck at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (Cwy/S)

26 13 now, speaking for MAGA...anyone who kills any of our people, they get killed 10 times over. Revenge and do not fuck with us.

That is not open for negotiation. But after payback, yeah I'm ok with pulling back and bunkering up. I'd rather see US troops securing our border rather than Jordan's.

But I expect drone attacks there, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:15 PM (xcxpd)

Border Wall made out of reinforced enemy BONES, please.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (UnA8+)

27 >>>This is/was a common claim on the left, that all aggression by foreign regimes is/was always due to America pushing/manipulating the foreign attackers into it. And it now seems to be a major -- perhaps dominant -- strain of thought on the MAGA right as well.

The chief difference I would suggest between the two is that the MAGA right typically makes a clear distinction between American troops as such, and the neocon globalists said to be using them as cannon fodder; whereas for the Left, there's always been a great deal of unfocused hatred for the military rank-and-file as well as the establishment.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (bhRsz)

28 Jim Hanson points out that Biden has given a lot (most?) of our precision guided munitions to Ukraine so our ability to strike Iran is compromised.

He should have stuck to making puppets.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (R4t5M)

29 Is Lloyd Austin back at his post?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (Gf82x)

30 i I couldn't decide on squat or shit, and it came out sit. I wanna blame autocorrect.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (i9ffA)

31 Border Wall made out of reinforced enemy BONES, please.

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ooohh, newsletter please.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (k1AR8)

32 16 Biden's hasn't hit back for this one yet because DoD can't find a semi-worthwhile target that's totally unoccupied, so no Iranians will get a scratch, let alone get killed.

are there no baby milk factories?

Posted by: anachronda at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (oY6Yp)

33 I’d be ok with bombing the fuck out of all of irans oil refineries and their nuclear sites in a Black Friday event but that’s just me

Posted by: Mr pink at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (Xxfsx)

34 You should always be a pacifist party if your leadership has no intention of ever winning a war and your borders are wide open.

With wide open borders, a military puts you in GREATER danger because we piss off more people who can walk across.

Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (jleHU)

35 "First, there's the hardcore pacifist/isolationist impulse, which has hardened from a mere guidance to an absolute doctrine.

There there's the Make the Rubble Bounce contingent."

There are times for hardcore isolation and there are times to make the rubble bounce.

If other people are attacking you unprovoked, Make The Rubble Bounce after which you go back to hardcore isolation until the next time someone attacks you unprovoked.

Make the Rubble Bounce clearly enough, and people will be less willing to entice you out of your hard core isolation.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (ou9hh)

36 The CIA's proxies Iran's proxies have launched over 150 attacks on US troops since October

I do wonder why we have three soldiers on the Jordan-Syria border. Sleeping in a tent.

Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (wKqZM)

37 I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

The one thing that I am certain of is that a major war under Droolin' Joe's leadership will be a complete and utter disaster.

So yeah, I'm pacifist, until when and if we get competent leadership.

Posted by: ARC of History! at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (YAtuc)

38 "Fighting on behalf of the administration " doesn't seem right.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (Gf82x)

Agreed.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (AiZBA)

39 This drone that hit Tower 22, why not call it a cruise missile? Because that is what it was. Direct lineal descendant of the Nazi V1.

And KJP is stuttering and stammering because even she knows she is lying transparently.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (tkR6S)

40 My doctrine would be hit it and quit it. Decimate then stay the fuck out. Repeat as needed.

Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (ZGGD+)

41 What infuriates me is how utterly destined this moment was. By passively allowing Iran's puppets to rain explosives down on our soldiers, it was just a matter of time until the Fuzzies got lucky.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (CwhoI)

42 I reject 20 year wars to hand over a country to the Muslim military groups who are unable to secure and occupy it.

yes but think of all those giant defense contracts

Posted by: Uniparty at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (25k9m)

43 The cost of these drones hitting our troops is cheap, and the cost in shooting them down is expensive. Bring back Wild Weasel strikes on their launch sites. YGTBSM, motto of the Weasels.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (0EOe9)

44 I was against Ukraine because it was an insane war against a near peer. And that there were no good guys.

The Iranians have never been good guys. But we should be measured.

Take out all their military assets spread about with the precision munitions- oops. We don’t have that since we fought a useless war in Ukraine.

Posted by: Justin Pinochet Castreau at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (V8yYW)

45 Whooda thunk that releasing billions of dollars to one of the biggest supporters of religious terrorism would yield more terrorism and an upgrade in weapons?

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (krQz2)

46 Fortunately, our borders are secure and, in fact, closed -- the Biden* Administration told me so, repeatedly -- so we don't have to worry about any serious threat of retaliatory domestic terrorist attacks unleashed by agents of Iran who just walked into the U.S. from Mexico. Bombs away!

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (qUkBO)

47 I don't know that MAGA or whatever is all that inconsistent with foreign policy. "Don't start new wars" would preclude sending pallets of cash to Iran, who is regularly starting wars. That's the bedrock principle as far as I can tell. Since the Meat Puppet just can't quit sending money to his bosses, new wars will be everywhere and sending troops to "make the rubble bounce" will be like bailing the ocean with a spoon. You have to stop the idiot before anything can be fixed. Trump did not get major forces out of Iraq on Day 1 in 2016. His administration did seem to understand how to avoid Afghanistan 2022. You can have both No New Wars and deterrence if you do it correctly, and 2016-2020 foreign policy is a pretty good example as far as this (at the time) military wife is concerned.

Posted by: Catherine at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (ZSsrh)

48 Hit Kharg Island. Repeat.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (CsUN+)

49 12 >>>>I know Tucker Carlson is now claiming that unspecified "interests" in the US want a war with Iran

Can't wait for Carlson's softball interview with Ilhan Omar.
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 29, 2024 12:14 PM (xPl2J)

Sometimes Tucker has really weird blinders on - the Biden admin is desperate to avoid a war this election season, so desperate that Iran smells the flop sweat and is saying "heh heh heh, we can get away with anything we want right now."

And they are.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (i9ffA)

50 I'm MAGA but I agree with Ace here. There is a definite pacifist pulse who likes to say stupid things like "war mongering."

As a MAGA person I'm perfectly ok with f'ing up Iran good and hard. No war is needed, just a good old Regan throttling will do the trick.

Posted by: Sandy Vigilante at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (wvn6O)

51 Border Wall made out of reinforced enemy BONES, please.
Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (UnA8+)

endorsed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (xcxpd)

52 But I expect drone attacks there, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:15 PM (xcxpd)

Drone attacks? Are you insane?

Even as we speak Senate Leadership is amending the "Don't Say Border" bill to double the amount of cash allocated for Ukraine AND sending a matching amount to Iran. Nothing can secure Our Precious Democracy like sending huge cash prizes to our enemies and the irrelevant.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (GYIa4)

53 Make the Rubble Bounce clearly enough, and people will be less willing to entice you out of your hard core isolation.
Posted by: FeatherBlade

Well said!

Posted by: Justin Pinochet Castreau at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (V8yYW)

54 Kalorama is a funny name for a fancy neighborhood. Sounds like a cheap amusement park.

Posted by: Bumper Cars, FTW at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (V5BDR)

55 I reject 20 year wars to hand over a country to the Muslim military groups who are unable to secure and occupy it.

yes but think of all those giant defense contracts
Posted by: Uniparty

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Anyone who still believes the U.S. did ANYTHING other than that in Iraq and Afghanistan is deluded.

We secured those nations for al-Qaeda because al-Qaeda wasn't strong enough to do it themselves. The end.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (k1AR8)

56 31 ooohh, newsletter please.
Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (k1AR

I'm going to make Vlad III of Wallachia look like a prancing gay piker.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (UnA8+)

57 David Fraud says that giving more money to Ukraine and Israel would have kept soldiers stationed in Jordan, hit from Iraq, safe.

David Fraud still might claim the moniker conservative, but "More Money Fixes Everything" has never been a conservative message that I remember.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (krQz2)

58 "Senator, I want to see the cinders dance".

General Curtis LeMay

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (0EOe9)

59 Jimmy and misunderstandings clash (Seinfeld)...

Ace and strawmen clash, too.

There are few voices for absolute and total isolation and few for hardcore actions.

Trump's asset IS his wild, unpredictable statements. The enemy doesn't know what he will do, so they will do nothing...which is what played out in his first term largely. And if they did do something, they got whacked decisively (Solemani, Russian mercenaries).

I have no reason to believe the second term would differ markedly from the first.

Posted by: Lex at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (fMN7A)

60 The Obama and Biden administrations are providers of material aid and support to state sponsors of terrorism. Barry and Joe should be serving multiple life sentences in Florence ADX, at a minimum. Fuck those guys and fuck mop-head's bullshit "condolences."

Posted by: They're worse than traitors at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (pKFK0)

61 I think the Iranian impulse right now is to continue poking the US until it gets more cash and/or the US disowns Israel over the Hamas ordeal.

IMO a proper response would be to sink the Iranian "cargo ship" that's been converted to a covert intelligence platform that the IRGC is using to assist the Houthi's in their attacks on maritime shipping. That's where this shit started.

Then, sink the rest of the Iranian Navy. We did it before. And it quieted down the mullahs for a while.

But, the bottom line here is that Iran sees a weak US unable to respond to the Houthi's they're supporting. A ragged bunch of monkeys with missiles. So Iran will continue to poke the US and learn from it what our responses are and how we then react. Those lessons are valuable for the mullahs.

And lastly, there are factions inside the administration and outside it that want to appease Iran.

It will not end with a tit-for-tat back and forth between US forces and the Iranians.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (Q4IgG)

62
"I do wonder why we have three soldiers on the Jordan-Syria border. Sleeping in a tent.
"

Because the local US guys in charge, deliberately and with malice aforethought, disobeyed Trump's order to remove US personnel from the area.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (ou9hh)

63 51 Border Wall made out of reinforced enemy BONES, please.
Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (UnA8+)

I'd settle for just a wall of skulls.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (wtvvX)

64 18 Jim Hanson points out that Biden has given a lot (most?) of our precision guided munitions to Ukraine so our ability to strike Iran is compromised.

The link contains only an assertion, but no real evidence. Do you have another source that backs up this startling claim?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (CsUN+)

I assume 'Newsweek' will be acceptable to you?
http://tinyurl.com/24r23ekf

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (xcxpd)

65 Let the flame wars commence...

Posted by: The MAGA Right at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (V8he0)

66 Although as far as wanting a war - Lindsey Graham is like an evil but ridiculous jack in the box who, everytime something like this happens, pops his head up on a spring and starts chirping "WAR! WAR! WAR!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (i9ffA)

67 "I'm curious to see what MAGA says about this. MAGA is made up of two different impulses, and sometimes the same people expressing contradictory impulses just hours apart."

I have a very simple impulse that has never wavered: if you intentionally harm any American anywhere in the world, we kill you and everyone you acted with. Every last one. No remorse, or pity, or fear.

I still can't believe all those American citizens were killed on 10-7 (and supposedly some are still kept hostage) and we didn't do a single motherfucking thing in response. Oh wait, we did: we tried to get Israel to back off its war against these animals.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (iFTx/)

68 "This didn't happen under Trump, it can be assumed for a reason.

Also I'm fine with being an isolationist until it's time to make the rubble bounce, then leaving unless more rubble needs bouncing. I reject 20 year wars to hand over a country to the Muslim military groups who are unable to secure and occupy it"

On the money.

Posted by: DOYLE at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (Z8Yh2)

69 I wonder how many thousands of people in jihadist terror cells have been infiltrated into the United States through the wide-open border?

Thanks to Droolin' Joe, Iran now has the capability to launch mass terror attacks in the United States in response to any American military action.

Posted by: ARC of History! at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (YAtuc)

70 Migosh. Almost time for lunch. I got busy doing some actual work and lost track of time.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (J2vNu)

71 As a MAGA person I'm perfectly ok with f'ing up Iran good and hard. No war is needed, just a good old Regan throttling will do the trick.
Posted by: Sandy Vigilante

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This. I'm thinking of that MMA fighter that is standing up against the gay/tranny stuff right now.

Live and let live, but you touch America's children and we destroy you.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (k1AR8)

72 55 We secured those nations for al-Qaeda because al-Qaeda wasn't strong enough to do it themselves. The end.
Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (k1AR

Don't pay attention to all that Saudi Money in the Bush family's bank accounts.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (UnA8+)

73 I'm going to make Vlad III of Wallachia look like a prancing gay piker.

I assume he has his own pink frother.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (CsUN+)

74 Expect drone attacks to be the car bomb of the 80's.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:12 PM

"This generation's PTSD brought to you by Best Buy."*

*Shamelessly stolen from Brandon Herrera.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (jA9ul)

75 Iran has been thirsting for an actual war with the United States for *decades.* We've ignored them, mostly, and they have been largely ineffectual in causing mass mayhem (with notable exceptions like Beirut).

They WANT a war of annihilation because they believe it will usher in the End Times of their mad religion, where they will win in the end.

They will not stop until someone makes them stop. If not us, then China, Russia or India... China and Russia are only on their side (such as it is) because Iran is firmly against us. They'd have a very different response if/when Iran starts attacking their direct interests.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (7fElN)

76 Kalorama is a funny name for a fancy neighborhood. Sounds like a cheap amusement park.
Posted by: Bumper Cars, FTW at January 29,

Sounds like a restaurant serving fat people who want to get fatter.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (Gf82x)

77 The third Obama term has slouched us into confrontations the administration is not prepared for and has no strategy to deal with. I think that is what pisses MAGA off.

When Trump came into office he had a plan for ISIS, another confrontation Obama slouched us into and had no strategy to deal with. That plan was to turn Raqqa and many other towns and villages in ISIS territory into parking lots. It worked. The media here at home mostly ignored it. The world noticed.

Posted by: deepelemblues at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (z9n5F)

78 What do we call that?

Protecting our precious democracy!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (TTak+)

79 63 I'd settle for just a wall of skulls.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (wtvvX)

Can't sharpen skulls into points to impale heads on.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (UnA8+)

80 Kalorama is a funny name for a fancy neighborhood. Sounds like a cheap amusement park.
Posted by: Bumper Cars, FTW

Klownorama.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (9yWhg)

81 Barry and Joe should be serving multiple life sentences in Florence ADX, at a minimum.

Hell, send 'em to GITMO.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (wtvvX)

82 >I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

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We keep fucking around in the affairs of the entire world and then act shocked that some in the world takes a poke back when we are incredibly weak? And then the answer is to go back to 2002 GOPe warmongering bullshit?

How about we mind our own business, use our military to defend our own border, and stop giving away our hard-earned treasure to the GAE MIC? But I guess that makes me a faggot pacifist.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (LVjoG)

83 Skulls for the Skull Throne!

Posted by: Warrior of Khorne at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (pKFK0)

84 52 But I expect drone attacks there, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:15 PM (xcxpd)

Drone attacks? Are you insane?

Even as we speak Senate Leadership is amending the "Don't Say Border" bill to double the amount of cash allocated for Ukraine AND sending a matching amount to Iran. Nothing can secure Our Precious Democracy like sending huge cash prizes to our enemies and the irrelevant.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (GYIa4)

You know, I wonder myself sometimes. Hard to say in Clown World what is insane.

Also starting to hate Democracy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (xcxpd)

85 "Fighting on behalf of the administration " doesn't seem right.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (Gf82x)
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She's getting lambbasted for that Orwellian speech on X.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (krQz2)

86 Although as far as wanting a war - Lindsey Graham is like an evil but ridiculous jack in the box who, everytime something like this happens, pops his head up on a spring and starts chirping "WAR! WAR! WAR!!!"

Another reason to be pacifist - if Miss Lindsey is for it, it is a bad idea.

Posted by: ARC of History! at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (YAtuc)

87 The Junta says it is being cautious in its response to attacks on our forces using Iranian-supplied weapons, to avoid escalation leading to a wider conflict.

Fine, fine. But the Iranians aren't playing by that rule, Joe. (types/deletes)

Posted by: Gref at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (5fDan)

88 Besides I'm not a Republican. And I thought ace wasn't either, or was that just talk?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (LVjoG)

89 We needed a fourth war. The other three aren't using enough ammunition.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 29, 2024 12:25 PM (25sND)

90 Border Wall made out of reinforced enemy BONES, please.
Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (UnA8+)

I'd settle for just a wall of skulls.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM

How about an OP of skulls atop a wall of bones?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2024 12:25 PM (jA9ul)

91 >>I have a very simple impulse that has never wavered: if you intentionally harm any American anywhere in the world, we kill you and everyone you acted with. Every last one. No remorse, or pity, or fear.

You left out their Family.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 12:26 PM (mdhFC)

92 the "Don't Say Border" bill

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hahahaha

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:26 PM (k1AR8)

93 I'm going to make Vlad III of Wallachia look like a prancing gay piker.
Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:21 PM (UnA8+)

He was a piker.

Posted by: Literally at January 29, 2024 12:26 PM (pKFK0)

94 The border is wide open and Iran likely has dozens if not hundreds of terrorists in place ready to level American cities. If that is the case and it most likely is, "we" have lost long before the kinetic action starts although it would be VERYH briefly precious to watch the unhinged war cucks' faces as skyscrapers implode.

There is no military solution now. None.

The enemy is D.C.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 29, 2024 12:26 PM (KSNKu)

95 74 Expect drone attacks to be the car bomb of the 80's.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:12 PM

"This generation's PTSD brought to you by Best Buy."*

*Shamelessly stolen from Brandon Herrera.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2024 12:23 PM (jA9ul)

He's running for Congress. I don't know if I want him to win or lose, there. I'd miss his gun meme reviews.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:27 PM (xcxpd)

96 We have been "helping" the Muslim world since the Bush the elder era....

Literally since ~ 1991.

That is over 30 years with lots of treasure and blood lost, when is it "enough?"

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:27 PM (X0I7i)

97 I learned that we have Troops stationed in Jordan this weekend... this was news to me.

My MAGA lens wants to know why, and where the Jordanian Troops are?

I'd also like to know why Iran seems to be asking for conflict, this does not completely compute because they seemed to be getting stuff for nothing from Pres fingerbang-shitdiaper.

Is this Clinton/Obama faction infighting?

Honestly, as depleted our forces are becoming, I'm hardpressed to believe Iran thinks they can get over on us, not without significant cost.

I'm just trying to understand.

Posted by: Inogame at January 29, 2024 12:27 PM (53oGX)

98 Did the Iranians generate the rage from Joe that MAGA does?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:27 PM (Gf82x)

99 ""Fighting on behalf of the administration " doesn't seem right."

But accurate ... the administration serves ? China and/or globalists, not USA.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 29, 2024 12:27 PM (Cus5s)

100 I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

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I’ll follow Trump, he seems to have good instincts.

Having said that I wonder what Ace said about Reagan after the Beirut attack that kills hundreds?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 29, 2024 12:27 PM (a5v4x)

101 I assume 'Newsweek' will be acceptable to you?
http://tinyurl.com/24r23ekf

I assume you read your own link:

Many NATO countries were said to have already had weapons stockpiles that did not meet the bloc's targets prior to Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine nearly a year ago, according to the report from Reuters.

Reuters also quoted an unnamed European diplomat who said: "If Europe were to fight Russia, some countries would run out of ammunition in days."...According to Reuters, many officials from NATO countries had "considered wars of attrition with large-scale artillery battles a thing of the past." Therefore, multiple NATO countries had let their stockpiles decrease even before Russia launched its prolonged conflict.

Ammunition and artillery, not guided systems, although it mentions HIMARS later in the article, again in reference to other countries.

At no point does it refer to US stockpiles, only those of NATO allies.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (CsUN+)

102 Also starting to hate Democracy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:24 PM (xcxpd)
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The Lord never promised us it would work out. Not Democracy, not a Republic, not a Constitutional Republic, which Aristotle ~2400 years ago called a "polity". (Which means there are constitutional republics that didn't make the cut.)

Adams predicts what would keep our country up right: a religious and moral people.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (krQz2)

103 >>>Yo, Ace! How's it goin', Bro?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Pretty good except for it being monday. How about for you?

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (KRtlO)

104 40 My doctrine would be hit it and quit it. Decimate then stay the fuck out. Repeat as needed.
Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (ZGGD+)

nckate for Defense Secretary! Words of wisdom, there.

Posted by: Hit It and Quit It at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (V5BDR)

105 Fighting on behalf of the administration " doesn't seem right.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (Gf82x)

Tanks in the streets of DC around election time.

Posted by: Last Days of the Republic at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (i228p)

106 Any military action while the border is open is a non-starter for me. It all proves the military is captured. No honor to be found.

I see all these yuoung men around the city, and my heart breaks. Their leaders don't give two shits about them.

Posted by: DOYLE at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (Z8Yh2)

107 91 >>I have a very simple impulse that has never wavered: if you intentionally harm any American anywhere in the world, we kill you and everyone you acted with. Every last one. No remorse, or pity, or fear.

You left out their Family.
Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 12:26 PM (mdhFC)

And burning their village, town, or city of origin to the ground.

Posted by: If you're gonna do vengeance do it right at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (pKFK0)

108 I have a very simple impulse that has never wavered: if you intentionally harm any American anywhere in the world, we kill you and everyone you acted with. Every last one. No remorse, or pity, or fear.
...
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (iFTx/)

Endorsed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (xcxpd)

109 90 Border Wall made out of reinforced enemy BONES, please.
Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:17 PM (UnA8+)

I'd settle for just a wall of skulls.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM

How about an OP of skulls atop a wall of bones?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2024 12:25 PM (jA9ul)

As long as the skulls are decorated Dia de Los Muertos style.

To be inclusive.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (wtvvX)

110 OT:
Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (i7Q7S)

111 Imagine how many will die when the steal gives Biden another four years.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (d2bW3)

112
They're not saying MAGA killed Beau, but MAGA killed Beau.

Posted by: Auspex at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (j4U/Z)

113
I'll bite:

This didn't happen under Trump, it can be assumed for a reason.

Also I'm fine with being an isolationist until it's time to make the rubble bounce, then leaving unless more rubble needs bouncing. I reject 20 year wars to hand over a country to the Muslim military groups who are unable to secure and occupy it.

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So ace, where do you stand on pointless showboating and useless trillion dollar wars for nothing?

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (k1AR8)

114 He's running for Congress. I don't know if I want him to win or lose, there. I'd miss his gun meme reviews.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:27 PM

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I'd miss regular gun meme reviews and Darwin awards. On the other hand, I'd love watching him on the House floor responding to anything AOC and/or the Squat ever says.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (jA9ul)

115 Communications expert KJP (DEI hire). Cannot stand ten seconds of her, but this was jaw-dropping.

Posted by: JM in Ill - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (2Wpl3)

116 I'm curious to see what MAGA says about this. MAGA is made up of two different impulses, and sometimes the same people expressing contradictory impulses just hours apart

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Are these actually contradictory? I mean, I can see how they could be contradictory, but the impression I always got was that they're expressing two parts of the same kind of sentiment. The "isolationist" part is not to get drawn into wars where we send lots of American soldiers to die for nebulous victory conditions, and the "make the rubble bounce" part is what we should be doing instead of putting boots on the ground. The idea would be that the response to aggression is swift, decisive, and done in the way that minimizes loss of American lives. The goal would be to kill the person responsible (preferably, the person directly responsible, and a few members up the chain of command of him as well for good measure).

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (fKIdX)

117 he "Don't Say Border" bill

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hahahaha

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:26 PM (k1AR

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Yeah that a good one.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (krQz2)

118 >> I learned that we have Troops stationed in Jordan this weekend... this was news to me.

We have to be there to fight against ~~ISIL~~ ...er, ~~ISIS~~ the Maverick Liberation Front.

Thanks John McCain.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (mdhFC)

119 You left out their Family.

Israel notes that although 10% of UNRWA employees belong to Hamas or other terrorist organizations, 50% have a close relative belonging to Hamas or other terrorist organizations.

It's the Hunter Biden approach - support Hamas by paying out lots of money to close relatives of Hamas members.

Posted by: ARC of History! at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (YAtuc)

120
As I put forth this morning, it's the right war at the worst possible time.

Our military is woefully ill-prepared, morale is in the shitter and we have not set out to actually win a war by utterly crushing the enemy since 1945.

Plus, the Junta in DC is doing all it can to prop up Iran. How the hell can we in good conscience send troops there given all of this, plus the x factors of China and the rest of the world going up in flames?

Ugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (x0n13)

121 When the evil republican party gives Joedolph the power to defend US troops, Joedolph will defend US troops. So you see it is the ultra far right MAGAs that actually caused this.

Joedolph wants to fix this if only he could.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 29, 2024 12:30 PM (17s+e)

122 Joe can't block Iranian oil shipments or the price of fuel will go back up.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2024 12:30 PM (aD39U)

123 110 Posted by: Jay in PA at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (i7Q7S)

They have a special Whore Island Pen somewhere I guess...

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:30 PM (X0I7i)

124 How about an OP of skulls atop a wall of bones?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2024 12:25 PM (jA9ul)

As long as the skulls are decorated Dia de Los Muertos style.

To be inclusive.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM

I'll allow it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2024 12:30 PM (jA9ul)

125 Blood for the Blood God!

Posted by: Khornate fanatic and supporter of strong border policy at January 29, 2024 12:30 PM (pKFK0)

126 We pick on Biden for good reason. After all, how many old-age home Residents have the goal of starting WW3?

But lets not forget Jake Sullivan, Antony "Winkin" Blinken and the Foggy Bottom Boyz (featuring Victoria "Color Revolution" Nuland).

These folks are just plain evil.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 29, 2024 12:30 PM (TW+5E)

127 I'm curious to see what MAGA says about this. MAGA is made up of two different impulses, and sometimes the same people expressing contradictory impulses just hours apart

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Oh! You mean it's not just monolithic, whatever-dear-leader-says?

...

Imagine that.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:30 PM (krQz2)

128 OT:
Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison

Good. That's surprising.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:31 PM (CsUN+)

129 I do not know which of these doctrines is supposed to be the MAGA foreign policy. They are both advanced with vigor at different times. Trump, of course, will embrace one or the other at different times.

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I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

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I don't think it's a binary choice -- it's contextual, it depends upon a number of factors (Who's the Enemy?, Is the Enemy Running the U.S. Policy and Decision-Making?, What are the Objectives, Risks, Costs, et. al.?).

Posted by: ShainS -- Civil War 2: 10th Amendment Revolution Boogaloo at January 29, 2024 12:31 PM (1u0wM)

130 Out: Trump's Covid response bad!
In: Trump's anti forever war response bad!

I don't get it--Ron is out of the race.
He's probably going to be the VP.
This is an election year, you win by beating your opponent with any issue that gains traction, regardless of consistency.

But Muh Principles!
That's never won an election and never will.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (qJx+G)

131 Joedolph wants to fix this if only he could.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 29, 2024 12:30 PM (17s+e)
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But he needs ... some kind of ... enabling act.

Yeah, that's it, enabling.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (krQz2)

132 115 Communications expert KJP (DEI hire). Cannot stand ten seconds of her, but this was jaw-dropping.
Posted by: JM in Ill - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 29, 2024 12:29 PM (2Wpl3)

She smoked a fat doober from Obama's Maui-wowie.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (x0n13)

133 "I do not know which of these doctrines is supposed to be the MAGA foreign policy."

From what I can tell, MAGA is against the Ukraine war (instigated by Biden regime), and sees the bigger enemy is China (Biden's friend, and puppet master?).

Trump pushed for Europe to put more money into their own defense, and was more directly against China, for Taiwan. Peace through strength imo, is not pushing into every conflict, or creating conflicts.

My guess is the globalists want USA to fight the others to the death, and the WEFers will then rise from the ashes, or some such.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (Cus5s)

134 ‘ Are we now officially a pacifist party?’
Me? No, not all. I am focused about exclusively on the death struggle with the left for this country. Anything external to that unless it endangers us or our friends directly can’t be a priority right now.
Plus I think it is immoral to send our military into harm’s way under FJB and company’s direction.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (jbnUc)

135 And burning their village, town, or city of origin to the ground.
Posted by: If you're gonna do vengeance do it right at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (pKFK0)

And salt the earth, so no crop will grow.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (tkR6S)

136 IF we are going after the Iranians...

I say we start with John Kerry.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (mdhFC)

137 First, there's the hardcore pacifist/isolationist impulse, which has hardened from a mere guidance to an absolute doctrine.
________

Ace, is it accurate to run pacifist and isolationist together? I mean, Jefferson said "friends of liberty everywhere, but guarantors of only our own." Which did not exclude going after the Barbary Pirates when they attacked our shipping.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (Dm8we)

138 Are these actually contradictory? I mean, I can see how they could be contradictory, but the impression I always got was that they're expressing two parts of the same kind of sentiment.

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That's my thought, too. Similar to real life, I'm a quiet guy that mostly wants to be left alone and enjoy life. Don't mess with my family and I'm one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. If something changes it's not because I wanted it to.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (k1AR8)

139 He's probably going to be the VP.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (qJx+G)
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I would bet that the people of Florida wouldn't take that news too kindly.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (krQz2)

140 Yo, Ace! How's it goin', Bro?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Pretty good except for it being monday. How about for you?
Posted by: ace

Not bad, thanks. Still unemployed, but I've got a promising lead to work for a staffing company who would farm me out on temporary gigs as a "consultant" to various companies. I'm thinking it over, trying to figure out what questions I need to ask. It looks like it would work out, but I don't want to jump into anything without doing my due diligence.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (9yWhg)

141 85 "Fighting on behalf of the administration " doesn't seem right.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (Gf82x)
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She's getting lambbasted for that Orwellian speech on X.

that'll learn her.

Posted by: anachronda at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (oY6Yp)

142 I am always comforted to be guided and educated by Haitian Lesbian White House spokesperson of color on the goings on of my country.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (pZ64F)

143 Ace,

The Biden junta is already planning how to avoid responsibility for Iran's act of war. The drooling retard called the Iran proxies "radical," which gives them an out. They will claim that they are not under Iran's control and they acted without approval.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (gSZYf)

144 MTG said (this is not current) she knows 5 Pubbies that will vote/want war with Iran.

War with Iran is fine, they've been asking for it since their IED's were discovered being used in the sandbox years ago.
HOWEVER, this administration is not the administration to run a war. As Trump said about another group, take them and take their oil.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (rCHWE)

145 Is Jordan being Iran's little bitch? What are they doing about bombs being flung into their country?

Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (ZGGD+)

146 128 Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:31 PM (CsUN+)

He leaked the tax data of over 1000 people all of which were designed to help the democrats.

So every year he goes to prison "bought" the mules 200 files.

The "prosecutors" sought this sweetheart deal for him, the judge said the sentence is a joke.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (X0I7i)

147
I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

We loved Bolton until we didn't.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (63Dwl)

148 'Soldiers' KJP, not 'Folk', you ignorant slut.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (XeU6L)

149 How do we even know who the enemy is anymore?

The Demoncrats and the Bushies have made such a mess of things around the world that every other country is kind of JUSTIFIED as seeing us as the bad guys.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (UnA8+)

150 >>>They have a special Whore Island Pen somewhere I guess...
Posted by: sven

Three Mile Island

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (d2bW3)

151 Identification, friend or foe (IFF) problem

The U.S. failed to stop a deadly attack on an American military outpost in Jordan because the enemy drone approached its target at the same time a U.S. drone was also returning to base, U.S. officials said Monday.

The return of the U.S. drone led to some confusion over whether the incoming drone was friend or foe, officials have concluded so far.

The enemy drone was launched from Iraq by a militia backed by Tehran, U.S. officials said. The outpost, Tower 22, sits in Jordan, hard on the borders of Iraq and Syria.

Posted by: SMOD at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (RHGPo)

152 Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison

He also stole the tax records of thousands of other people, and handed them all to left-wing media outlets.

I'm sure he has been promised a pardon after the election.

Posted by: ARC of History! at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

153 104 40 My doctrine would be hit it and quit it. Decimate then stay the fuck out. Repeat as needed.
Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 12:19 PM (ZGGD+)

nckate for Defense Secretary! Words of wisdom, there.
Posted by: Hit It and Quit It at January 29, 2024 12:28 PM (V5BDR)

You know, it's funny, I was gonna say Truman had the right idea...surgical should be the last of our desires b/c they are ALL our enemy in Iran...just like all of Japan was our enemy in 1945...

But this is why I'm not in charge...not sure how to square my own faith with my thoughts...but my thoughts would end this...

And I'm another who wonders why the hell we were in Jordan in the 1st place...where else do we have troops as sitting targets that we don't know about? Are they sitting there to hope that Iran does start the war enough we have to join it?

Posted by: Nova Local at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (exHjb)

154 We loved Bolton till his idiocy was exposed.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (rCHWE)

155 Although as far as wanting a war - Lindsey Graham is like an evil but ridiculous jack in the box who, everytime something like this happens, pops his head up on a spring and starts chirping "WAR! WAR! WAR!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (i9ffA)

A Greasy Weasel.

Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2024 12:35 PM (AwYPR)

156 I don't get it--Ron is out of the race.
He's probably going to be the VP.
This is an election year, you win by beating your opponent with any issue that gains traction, regardless of consistency.

But Muh Principles!
That's never won an election and never will.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (qJx+G)

It's hilarious that you think DeSantis will probably be Trump's VP. Neither man wants anything to do with the other, and I doubt there's anything that could induce DeSantis to be his running mate.

More to the point, as both are Florida residents, it would raise some constitutional issues and possibly endanger the state's 30 electoral votes.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 29, 2024 12:35 PM (bhRsz)

157 The Demoncrats and the Bushies have made such a mess of things around the world that every other country is kind of JUSTIFIED as seeing us as the bad guys.
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Maybe we are the baddies?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 12:35 PM (pZ64F)

158 I wouldn't consider myself a pacifist but, we should bring all of our troops back to American soil, with the warning that any attack on US interests will be met with IMMEDIATE and OVERWHELMING response. You attack us, we will LEVEL YOUR CAPITOL. If they aren't a nation state, we will carpet bomb their AO until their "host" country takes effective and immediate actions against them. If the host country fails to take action, we level their Capitol.

Posted by: TC at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (FjlUt)

159 I am focused about exclusively on the death struggle with the left for this country. Anything external to that unless it endangers us or our friends directly can’t be a priority right now.

+1000

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (V8he0)

160 America is not pacifist it's tired of losing.
Trump took care of this business effectively without fanfare.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (rCHWE)

161 Remember if you are a serviceman that the Biden junta will throw your life away for nothing.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (ibTVg)

162 'Soldiers' KJP, not 'Folk', you ignorant ~~slut~~ C*NT.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (XeU6L)

FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (gSZYf)

163 Look, Joe, just send them a couple of billion $, in cash, on pallets. They'll come around...for a while.

Posted by: Barky at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (XeU6L)

164 You’d have to have a hole in your head to join the military today. The purge of straight white men is doing them a big favor.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (F9jE7)

165 6 Raggity Karine maybe the job of lies daily is getting to her.

Na, Leftists lie with the ease you breath
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2024 12:13 PM (fwDg9)

"The lies are easy. It's the speaking part that's tough." - People in this administration

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (KbCG3)

166 I could hear more about Whore Island....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (xcxpd)

167 Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:31 PM (CsUN+)

He leaked the tax data of over 1000 people all of which were designed to help the democrats.

So every year he goes to prison "bought" the mules 200 files.

The "prosecutors" sought this sweetheart deal for him, the judge said the sentence is a joke.

I did not know that. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (CsUN+)

168 Personally:

As long as the uniparty is in control, not really a fan of boots on the ground anywhere - don't trust them to do the same thing that already happened in Afganistan and Iraq. Overly restrictive RoE, and national building can go fuck themselves.

That being said I'm all for rubble bouncing as long as we actually target things that matter. No warnings, No empty warehouses, send a bomb into the mullah's homes.

IF Trump wins, I could support limited ground troop involvement, but again, only long enough to get in, break things and kill people, and get out.

Posted by: Ryan Frank at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (fgmuN)

169 I am focused about exclusively on the death struggle with the left for this country. Anything external to that unless it endangers us or our friends directly can’t be a priority right now.

Yep.

The biggest danger heritage Americans face is from their OWN government. Certainly not Vlad or even Winnie the Xi

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (ibTVg)

170
I don't get it--Ron is out of the race.
He's probably going to be the VP.

But Muh Principles!
That's never won an election and never will.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 29, 2024 12:32 PM (qJx+G)

I hope not, unless Trump has a terminal illness. Ron is doing a great job in Florida and will run for President in 2028

Posted by: JM in Ill - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (2Wpl3)

171 >>>Are these actually contradictory? I mean, I can see how they could be contradictory, but the impression I always got was that they're expressing two parts of the same kind of sentiment. The "isolationist" part is not to get drawn into wars where we send lots of American soldiers to die for nebulous victory conditions, and the "make the rubble bounce" part is what we should be doing instead of putting boots on the ground.

Tucker Carlson takes the position that it's only "interests" in America that "want a war with Iran that no one else does," and further, that we shouldn't even support Israel because that increases the chances we will be drawn into a war with Iran.

This is full-blown pacificism/Ron Paul Isolationism (with that peculiar anti-Israel bend). This is not "well it depends." This is announcing that anything Iran does is due to provocation by the US and that we should not attack them under any circumstances.

Did Iran kill our soldiers in Jordan? Well then we shouldn't have had soldiers in Jordan. We were provoking Iran by having them there. It's really due to our provocations that they attacked us.

and this is what a LOT of MAGA people are saying now.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (KRtlO)

172 I say we start with John Kerry.

Kerry spent the four years of the Trump Administration advising and meeting with the Iranians explaining how to thwart Trump's policies.

He deserves a prison cell.

Posted by: ARC of History! at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (YAtuc)

173 Although as far as wanting a war - Lindsey Graham is like an evil but ridiculous jack in the box who, everytime something like this happens, pops his head up on a spring and starts chirping "WAR! WAR! WAR!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 29, 2024 12:22 PM (i9ffA)

You've got guns! Use them! On those horrid protestors! Eeeeek!!!

Posted by: Lindsey Graham (F-AG) at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (pKFK0)

174 159 I am focused about exclusively on the death struggle with the left for this country. Anything external to that unless it endangers us or our friends directly can’t be a priority right now.

+1000

Posted by: Notorious BFD
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How we deal with other nations is an expression of who is in control of this nation.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (rCHWE)

175 Even back in the 1790's and 1800's, foreign policy went back and forth. Adams, for example, created the Navy which was designed from the start to protect America's commerce abroad. Jefferson then used that very Navy to attack the Barbary pirates in their lair for interfering with American shipping. This was despite the fact that otherwise Jefferson pursued neutrality between France and Great Britain and spent little on more ships for the Navy.

The key to MAGA foreign policy is US interests are considered first. Not Europe's, China's, Russia's, etc. So, Afghanistan occupation was not in the US national interest as the occupation cost a lot with minimal benefits to the US as far as safety. Ditto for Syria and in both cases, the major threat was allowing immigration from these terrorists countries--not so much the countries themselves.

Simply put, the GWOT overstretched the US to try to guarantee safety to other countries everywhere which is an impossible task. Even NATO has long been an overstretch along with Korea given that both of these entities are capable of defending themselves and US support necessarily will not be with ground troops but logistics, air, and space.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (ZcPYF)

176 He's running for Congress. I don't know if I want him to win or lose, there. I'd miss his gun meme reviews.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:27 PM (xcxpd)

I believe he has stated that he won't run for re-election. His goal appears to be to get rid of the anti-2A assbag who currently represents that district.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (GYIa4)

177 OT: Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison
Posted by: Jay in PA

Good, but we're talking Club Fed, right?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (IG4Id)

178 20 years I thought I was a soldier. Now I find out from none other the KJP itself that I was jump plain folk.
Huh?
Who knew?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (W/lyH)

179 Why would a sensible policy be one of the other, Ace?

Tucker calling Graham and Cornyn fucking lunatics was warranted. You don't start dropping bombs until you know exactly what's going on. And when those two say something a prudent person would research the opposite.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (JeYYB)

180 IF Trump wins, I could support limited ground troop involvement, but again, only long enough to get in, break things and kill people, and get out.

If it isn't worth level bombing the enemy's cities and infrastructure for a couple of weeks it isn't worth a single ground pounder's life.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (ibTVg)

181 It's hilarious that you think DeSantis will probably be Trump's VP. Neither man wants anything to do with the other, and I doubt there's anything that could induce DeSantis to be his running mate.

Agree. I can't see those two working together.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (CsUN+)

182 166 I could hear more about Whore Island....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (xcxpd)

Me too.

Posted by: Sterling Archer at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (pKFK0)

183 First, there's the hardcore pacifist/isolationist impulse, which has hardened from a mere guidance to an absolute doctrine.

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This is me. I give zero fucks about the rest of the world. They hate me, fine. Let them kill each other, why should I step in and help one side or the other.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (F9jE7)

184 Unlike the Ukes and other 'allies' you don't see the Iranians embezzling our money the Biden Junta sends them

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (pa+NK)

185 94 The border is wide open and Iran likely has dozens if not hundreds of terrorists in place ready to level American cities. If that is the case and it most likely is, "we" have lost long before the kinetic action starts although it would be VERYH briefly precious to watch the unhinged war cucks' faces as skyscrapers implode.

There is no military solution now. None.

The enemy is D.C.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 29, 2024 12:26 PM (KSNKu)

Honestly, if our enemies are doing it right they wouldn't directly attack cities... they would directly attack infrastructure.
Power generation, transmission lines.

Cities without power would deteriorate into GAZA within 48 hours.

Posted by: Inogame at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (53oGX)

186 Aljazeera News (and many other outlets), Jan 27, 2024
Israel War on Gaza:
‘War criminal’: Arab Americans rebuff Biden campaign outreach over Gaza
US Arab officials in the swing state of Michigan say they will not discuss 2024 elections with a ‘genocide unfolding’ in Gaza.

The word (folk lore) on the street seems to be many voted for FJB because he was decent and not a war monger, but for Russia! which is OK. They want more TPS (total protected status) for more nations, with many more people to be able to come to the US for a better life. Ergo, quit fueling war so Fed $ can be distributed to their many causes including more open borders.

It's good jobs don't ya know?

Posted by: L - Confident they're working on new 'rope-a-dope' techniques for the Presidential election at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (GshMh)

187 Given the fecklessness of America's response, I fully expect more attacks and deaths.

It is kind of shocking China has not yet moved on Taiwan, too.

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 29, 2024 12:39 PM (i7Q7S)

188 when I ask if this is what people really believe or if this is just some stupid internet rhetorical positioning, I get Moron Robbie asking me if I support "trillion dollar shooting wars."

See, that's strawmanning my position. But I am NOT strawmanning the neo-isolationists -- the neo-isolationists ARE ACTUALLY SAYING that we must never get into conflicts with foreign countries and if we do, it's due to the Deep State deliberately bringing us into conflict.

Again, THAT IS NOT A STRAWMAN. That is the actual position advanced by Tucker Carlson and others.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:39 PM (KRtlO)

189 147 We loved Bolton until we didn't.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 29, 2024 12:33 PM (63Dwl)

Mattis was supposed to the Ultimate Killing Machine.

Until he turned out to be another cvck.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:39 PM (UnA8+)

190 Trump took care of this business effectively without fanfare.

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JackStraw posted a link to a comedian talking about this a few days ago. Best Trump impersonation I've ever seen. I'll try to find it

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:39 PM (k1AR8)

191 You need an F - 16 for your vote to count.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 29, 2024 12:39 PM (J8LnB)

192 In the latest reinforcement of the country's reputation for rampant corruption, Ukraine's SBU intelligence agency says it has uncovered a $40 million embezzlement scheme in which a defense firm agreed to supply the country's army with 100,000 mortar rounds -- but never delivered even one.

The mortar-shell scheme goes back to a contract signed in August 2022. That was just six months after Russia invaded in February of that year. “However, [Lviv Arsenal] never sent a single round to our country, while moving the money into the shadows,” the SBU said in its statement. The shadowy destinations reportedly included a Balkan bank account.

Posted by: SMOD at January 29, 2024 12:40 PM (RHGPo)

193 OT:
Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison

= =

This is about getting to me...

Posted by: The guy who turned in Hunter's laptop at January 29, 2024 12:40 PM (AD14M)

194 But Muh Principles!
That's never won an election and never will.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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The ghost of Barry Goldwater, Robert A. Taft Jr., etc. agree.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2024 12:40 PM (ZcPYF)

195 I know Tucker Carlson is now claiming that unspecified "interests" in the US want a war with Iran that no one else does and will not stop until they get it.

I haven't seen much of that. The official line in the media is "pay no attention to the dead military 'folks'", and Kurt Schlichter was told by liberals on Twitter to enlist if he's so hot about attacking Iran.

On the other hand, the media and other officials of the Uniparty *are* very hot to trot against Russia. News stories that unnamed experts say we need forced conscription for bodies to throw at a world war against Putin appeared in Europe and Australia this weekend.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 29, 2024 12:40 PM (2ocoG)

196 KJP has no teleprompter or script in front of her. Like another (in) famous public figure we knew from 2008-2016, she can't speak off-the-cuff.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 29, 2024 12:40 PM (J2vNu)

197 OT: Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison
Posted by: Jay in PA

Good, but we're talking Club Fed, right?

9 AM gourmet Breakfast

10 AM-noon: Morning golf

Noon gourmet lunch

1-2 PM Beejer and/or sexing

3-4 PM Nap

4-5 PM Rant on the intertubes

5-6 PM Gourment Dinner

6-10 PM: TV

10-12 PM: Ranting on the intertubes

Midnight-on: Sleepy Time

Posted by: THe miscreants itinerary at January 29, 2024 12:40 PM (ibTVg)

198 "War is a racket."
-- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC, 2-time MOH awardee

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (a3Q+t)

199 It seems to me military service in the Biden era is a mistake.

Posted by: Don at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (yy2s0)

200 167 Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (CsUN+)

It's all good, I am in from the field and feel great as the surgery heals up.

Any non communist whose "sacred honor compels them to vote for Biden" is dead to me and they can go fuck themselves.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (X0I7i)

201 The enemy is D.C.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 29, 2024 12:26 PM (KSNKu)
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I would add Manhattan, Chicago, San Fran (Silicon Valley), Hollywood and most likely Houston.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (pZ64F)

202 52 But I expect drone attacks there, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:15 PM (xcxpd)

Drone attacks? Are you insane?

Even as we speak Senate Leadership is amending the "Don't Say Border" bill to double the amount of cash allocated for Ukraine AND sending a matching amount to Iran. Nothing can secure Our Precious Democracy like sending huge cash prizes to our enemies and the irrelevant.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 29, 2024 12:20 PM (GYIa4)

Of course. Their intent is to make Republicans vote against the bill because it is exactly the border 'fix' Biden wants, sinking it. Then the Democrat-Media Complex will scream every day to November that Trump told MAGA Republicans to vote NO, so the border continues to be an electoral political weapon for MAGA. The Complex will also scream that MAGA does not want to fund the Ukrainians because Putin owns Trump. The Complex will also say or insinuate Trump is an Anti-Semite who wants Hamas to win.

All straight out of the Democrat Playbook.

Posted by: Gref at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (5fDan)

203 ‘ Are we now officially a pacifist party?’

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In hindsight, it seems weirdly internally inconsistent to, as a general rule, assert that the federal government's actions in one sector (economics) is probable to make things worse rather than improve them and that we therefore should require a very high bar of scrutiny for actions taken in that venue, while at the same time having a relatively low bar for military action that the same government would take.

If I'm pacifist, it's a reflection of my lack of faith in the competency of the government.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (fKIdX)

204 >>>179 Why would a sensible policy be one of the other, Ace?
Tucker calling Graham and Cornyn fucking lunatics was warranted.

HE'S DOING A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

Either you're not listening, or you're not taking him seriously when he says the things he says.

Attacking Graham and Cornyn I am down for. But he's doing more than attacking them for their warmongering excesses -- he's endorsing his own excesses, by committing to a Ron Paul isolationist position, where even merely supporting an ally with loans and arms is unbearably increasing the chances we'll send "boots on the ground to Gaza" by some trivial 0.00001% chance.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (KRtlO)

205 He also stole the tax records of thousands of other people, and handed them all to left-wing media outlets.

I'm sure he has been promised a pardon after the election.

Posted by: ARC of History! at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

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He'll be given a show on MSLSD with co-anchor multi-millionaires Hunter Biden and E. Joan Carroll.

Posted by: ShainS -- Civil War 2: 10th Amendment Revolution Boogaloo at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (1u0wM)

206 The return of the U.S. drone led to some confusion over whether the incoming drone was friend or foe, officials have concluded so far.

Huh?
A clever enemy?
What do you know. I bet the US drone was on a regular, thus predictable, schedule too.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (W/lyH)

207 Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison

That's pretty surprising. Last I'd heard Merrick Garland had greased the skids for him to just get probation or something.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (2ocoG)

208 There is no reason to believe the guy who stole and leaked the tax returns will serve more than 18 months.

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (i7Q7S)

209 That being said I'm all for rubble bouncing as long as we actually target things that matter. No warnings, No empty warehouses, send a bomb into the mullah's homes.

IF Trump wins, I could support limited ground troop involvement, but again, only long enough to get in, break things and kill people, and get out.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (fgmuN)

Any attack on Iran that does not include detonating a nuke at the bottom of that damfool well in the "holy" city of Qom is an insufficient attack.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (tkR6S)

210 198 Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (a3Q+t)

It helps having a brother on the hill.

//Commie Curious same Smedley Butler

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (X0I7i)

211 But it sure seems to me like Iran wants a war, and that the impulse to "blame America first" is now becoming a major part of what is called "America First."
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What I seem to be seeing is people reflexively dunking on Haley/Graham/whomever and not thinking any farther than that. Some will insist that this wouldn't have happened if Trump was in office, and completely overlook the implication that what would have prevented it is Iran's worry that Trump might hit them back hard enough to care.

I think part of it is the weird pacifist libertarians thinking this is somehow their moment that they can win if they can just keep people from noticing that Iran is engaging in a war with us by the means they have available to them.

Posted by: Methos at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (Dnobf)

212 Neocons have been salivating at an Iran war for 25 years. Biden will finally give it to them. That’s what NeverTrunp is ultimately all about. Forever war and the profits that come from it.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (F9jE7)

213 I have been enjoying the attentions of my mother's bull. He is rougher than my dad, but it's still fun!

Posted by: Ace dreams of John McCain at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (pIKd9)

214
1. I'm FOR helping Ukraine with Russia--even though a lot of this is Zelensky's making, outlawing the cultural language (Russian) of 90% of the South. But I'm FOR supporting him in the way we would a non-NATO member. This idea that we have to shovel bundles of money (much of which is probably be laundered and shipped back to DC), is ludicrous.

2. Israel should continue to eradicate Hamas. You don't interrupt someone while they are Finding Out. And I think we should continue to aid Israel in reasonable measures.

3. We've spent a lot of time giving up the lives of young men with not much to show for it.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (krQz2)

215 167 Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:31 PM (CsUN+)

He leaked the tax data of over 1000 people all of which were designed to help the democrats.

So every year he goes to prison "bought" the mules 200 files.

The "prosecutors" sought this sweetheart deal for him, the judge said the sentence is a joke.

I did not know that. Thanks for the info.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (CsUN+)
_______

I think 5 years was the maximum for the counts he was allowed to plead to. The problem was the prosecution allowed him to plead to only one or two counts, and let him walk on all the others. They had this cocksucker dead to rights across the board on serious crimes. And they let him off easy. He's an Approved Criminal, you see.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (iFTx/)

216 I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

I don't know about pacifist. I'd like us to become a "mind our own fucking business" coupled with FAFO. And if some country decides to find out... crush them mercilessly. Our aim should be at least 10% of the population or 40% of the political leadership dead within 72 hours. IF we have to hit people, we should hit them so hard that a hundred years from now publicly suggesting that you should fuck around with the US would get your ass kicked.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (GYIa4)

217 Ace, the proper position is this: we bring our troops home. We go on about our business and stop meddling with other countries. However, if we get messed with, whatever country allowed the bad actors to train feels the full fury of our armed forces.

Our current foreign policy is such a mess we have troops in harms way around the world, and, for what reason? Are they there to draw fire so as to create yet another excuse for massive American involvement?

Trying put the onus on MAGA to sort out a situation they didn't create isn't necessarily the right argument.

*not sure this sound reasoning but, what the heck.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (tT6L1)

218 I thought I was a soldier. Now I find out from none other the KJP itself that I was just plain folk.
Huh?
Who knew?
Posted by: Diogenes
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I know, right? A friendly handwave is the same as a salute.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (XeU6L)

219 I'm definitely not for endless wars. I think Iraq and Afghanistan taught me good and hard that "exporting democracy" is a futile endeavor.

What I am in favor of however, is the complete and utter annihilation of our enemies so that even the thought of messing with us causes pangs of anxiety in capitals around the globe. I'm through with the notion of "nation building". The doctrine should be "if you take even a single American life, be it soldier or civilian - the entire political leadership of those responsible will cease to exist."

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (WZ/rU)

220 Haven't been impressed with Carlson's reaction to 10/7 - we should support Israel.

I think we should be asking why we have troops in Jordan, does Jordan actually do anything that helps us or its it another middle east shithole that we are just fucking around in that will stab us in the back at the first opportunity?

Having said that, if we don't get much out of being there I'm all for pulling out and again, bombing the ever loving shit out of something that actually matters in Iran. Which Biden won't.

Posted by: Ryan Frank at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (fgmuN)

221 No other president in the history of our United States has had to face more dangerous threats from outside forces that imperil all of us. Our hats are off to you along with our humble thanks.

Posted by: 100% of the media at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (7YG60)

222 208 Posted by: Jay in PA at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (i7Q7S)

He will most likely be at a Club Fed statistically for ~ 15-21 months depending on whether the maid makes his bed so a quarter bounces off....

I hate these people.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (X0I7i)

223 Again, THAT IS NOT A STRAWMAN. That is the actual position advanced by Tucker Carlson and others.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:39 PM (KRtlO)

I'm finding very few causes outside of our borders that I believe Americans who are not me should die for.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (KbCG3)

224 That base exists to support the undeclared mission to secure the Syrian oilfields. Literally nobody voted for that and if a vote was put up it would lose badly. Yet now we have to go to war with Iran because they attacked a base that should not even exist. I'm done playing that game. If I thought we'd actually fully go to war with Iran and subjugate them at the level we did Germany and Japan after WWII which would require us to totally destroy the country and kill millions (like we did in WWII) I'd consider it. I''m definitely not going for another half-ass Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan.

Posted by: Big E at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (AK7iE)

225
Whether we're now isolationist or rubble-bouncers, I'm sick and tired of hearing about how the ROE is basically "You can only kill them if they kill you first".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (n+4am)

226 164 You’d have to have a hole in your head to join the military today. The purge of straight white men is doing them a big favor.
Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (F9jE7)

They are not joining. The Navy has lowered standards; now you don't even need a GED or HS Diploma. And it shows, with far fewer white men among the ranks, traditionally the majority of our military.

Posted by: JM in Ill - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (e/bEd)

227 when I ask if this is what people really believe or if this is just some stupid internet rhetorical positioning, I get Moron Robbie asking me if I support "trillion dollar shooting wars."

See, that's strawmanning my position. But I am NOT strawmanning the neo-isolationists -- the neo-isolationists ARE ACTUALLY SAYING that we must never get into conflicts with foreign countries and if we do, it's due to the Deep State deliberately bringing us into conflict.

Again, THAT IS NOT A STRAWMAN. That is the actual position advanced by Tucker Carlson and others.
Posted by: ace

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I apologize for posting a strawman. It wasn't my intent since we literally watched the U.S. surrender two trillion dollar twenty year wars. That's literally how we know war now. I wasn't intending to present a strawman.

We're seeing it in Ukraine as we speak, and we don't have a dog in that fight or any declaration of war or even a NATO connection. Years and years and years, with more years to go, all to launder money.

I was just asking your position knowing that's how the U.S. "fights" wars now.

I'm of the "kill people and families and go home" threat mindset myself

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (k1AR8)

228 "Our military is woefully prepared, morale is in the shitter and we have not set out to actually win a war by utterly crushing the enemy since 1945."

I'm growing tired of a great deal of this as well. We have an extremely well prepared, professional military thanks to 20+ years of war. Argument for another day. That military has crushed the enemy, twice in Iraq, and the DoS along with various administration setting unrealistic ROE's and no end game, lost the "peace". I don't think there's any question that on some sectors Democrats have destroyed morale with their social policies but there's a good portion of the tip of the sword that doesn't give a fuck. They do what they do, regardless. Is there a vacuum in leadership at the GO level? Yes, but that didn't happen overnight and frankly Trump let that ride. In terms of recruiting, well the pool of recruits sucks. Worse then ever there are more in that pool who wouldn't even make it to MEPS. Granted, some of that wouldn't be an issue if they had better numbers from veterans families, but the overall pool of slovenly fat, lazy people is really what ultimately is the problem.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (Uh2jt)

229 5 years which turns to 9 months with good behavior in a Club Fed. Followed by a $3M book deal.

That’ll teach others not to leak tax documents!!!

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (F9jE7)

230 198 "War is a racket."
-- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC, 2-time MOH awardee
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He also discovered Stonewall Jackson's amputated arm and gave it a military funeral with full honors. He was a Marine.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (pZ64F)

231 198 "War is a racket."
-- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC, 2-time MOH awardee
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (a3Q+t)

Right up until WW 2, which he also considered a 'racket'. Smedley didn't take Nazi Germany or Russia seriously.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (xcxpd)

232 Ran out of room, so

ace, how would you handle this conflict?

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:44 PM (k1AR8)

233 Fighting on behalf of the administration " doesn't seem right.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 29, 2024 12:16 PM (Gf82x)

It's the same as pledging a blood-oath to der Fuhrer.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2024 12:44 PM (BdMk6)

234 On the other hand, the media and other officials of the Uniparty *are* very hot to trot against Russia. News stories that unnamed experts say we need forced conscription for bodies to throw at a world war against Putin appeared in Europe and Australia this weekend.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 29, 2024 12:40 PM

I have it on very good authority that Russia has been funding some of the pro-Palestinian protests, and I'm asking the FBI to investigate fully this perfidy!!!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) at January 29, 2024 12:44 PM (a3Q+t)

235 - the neo-isolationists ARE ACTUALLY SAYING that we must never get into conflicts with foreign countries and if we do, it's due to the Deep State deliberately bringing us into conflict.

Again, THAT IS NOT A STRAWMAN. That is the actual position advanced by Tucker Carlson and others.
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:39 PM (KRtlO)

Simple position:
Did you kill Americans?
- No - ignore the conflict - it's not worth killing Americans when we have little or no interest
- Yes - send the country back to the Stone Ages with nukes, assassinate all leadership (if you missed) and torture and string up the perps who killed the Americans putting their heads on posts. Then go home in the week, leaving it all as a warning - one of those "Don't Mess with Texas" ones...

Again, this is why I don't do defense...but I was the military, and this seems on point. We defend the United States and its people...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 29, 2024 12:44 PM (exHjb)

236 I don't know about pacifist. I'd like us to become a "mind our own fucking business" coupled with FAFO. And if some country decides to find out... crush them mercilessly. Our aim should be at least 10% of the population or 40% of the political leadership dead within 72 hours. IF we have to hit people, we should hit them so hard that a hundred years from now publicly suggesting that you should fuck around with the US would get your ass kicked.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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General Andrew Jackson endorses your policy.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2024 12:44 PM (ZcPYF)

237 Most of my foreign policy politics positions over the decades have resulted in tragic failure, so I'll sit this one out.

Posted by: gp Would Like The Number For Corporate Please at January 29, 2024 12:44 PM (MvF+J)

238 Of course. Their intent is to make Republicans vote against the bill because it is exactly the border 'fix' Biden wants, sinking it. Then the Democrat-Media Complex will scream every day to November that Trump told MAGA Republicans to vote NO, so the border continues to be an electoral political weapon for MAGA.

I have my doubts that Biden blaming MAGA for the situation at the border will work. Sure, a few of the Dem faithful will pretend they believe it, but it's just too absurd for most people.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:45 PM (CsUN+)

239 A lot of us have wizened up about "American war policy."

Especially those of us with skin in the game. Going to foreign countries to fight bullshit wars while losing our limbs our minds or our lives doesn't have the support it used to.

And for what? To have our shelters be given to illegals? Money that was earmarked for services going to illegals?

Yeah, we've gotten just a bit smarter.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 29, 2024 12:45 PM (JeYYB)

240 I give zero fucks about the rest of the world. They hate me, fine. Let them kill each other, why should I step in and help one side or the other.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (F9jE7)

Have the courage of your convictions: stop conducting commerce that depends on world trade routes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2024 12:45 PM (gSZYf)

241 Any attack on Iran that does not include detonating a nuke at the bottom of that damfool well in the "holy" city of Qom is an insufficient attack.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (tkR6S)

Qom on, feel the noiz!

Posted by: 80's metal at January 29, 2024 12:45 PM (pKFK0)

242 Honestly, if our enemies are doing it right they wouldn't directly attack cities... they would directly attack infrastructure.
Power generation, transmission lines.

Cities without power would deteriorate into GAZA within 48 hours.
Posted by: Inogame at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (53oGX)

They would go against the softest targets possible, of course, that would cause the most mayhem. Make that "will" because they've had two years to get into place.

Keeping sea lanes open actually is a legitimate use of force, but does anyone think if things start to go "boom" in the homeland, which almost is guaranteed, Joe and Kamala won't in a nanosecond be on the deck of an Iranian battleship signing a surrender agreement?

This can't even be fought in a realistic way given what has happened at the border unless there is a willingness to sacrifice numerous American civilians--which most likely is there.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 29, 2024 12:45 PM (KSNKu)

243 You can't spell 'disingenuous asshole' without the letters a-c-e.

needs remedial

Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2024 12:45 PM (AwYPR)

244 Marcus T

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Boeing made good planes 20 years ago. Now they’re falling from the sky due to DEI. The military is not immune from this phenomenon.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (F9jE7)

245 215 Posted by: Elric Blade at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (iFTx/)

Correct, and all served concurrently thus literally he "bought" 200 files per "year" functionally this was a DOJ "blame laundering."

It may as well have been an op.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (X0I7i)

246 What I am in favor of however, is the complete and utter annihilation of our enemies so that even the thought of messing with us causes pangs of anxiety in capitals around the globe.

= =

THIS.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (AD14M)

247 >>>I apologize for posting a strawman. It wasn't my intent since we literally watched the U.S. surrender two trillion dollar twenty year wars. That's literally how we know war now. I wasn't intending to present a strawman.

I mean, obviously I am against what you're talking about. But the neo-isolationists actually mean what they say: If Iran attacked our troops in Jordan -- who were there with the permission of the Jordan government -- well that's on us, and we should just take our lumps and get our troops out of Jordan.

I am not endorsing a warmongering extremist position like Graham's "let's have all the wars."

But the neo-isolationists are in fact endorsing a hardcore, all the way on one side of the spectrum position of absolute pacificism, *except* if the homeland is attacked. if our foreign bases are attacked -- well, just dismantle the foreign bases.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (KRtlO)

248 151 Identification, friend or foe (IFF) problem
Posted by: SMOD at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (RHGPo)

Whew! See? Our bad. No need to do anything.

Posted by: Auspex at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (j4U/Z)

249 I just realized the term 'Club Fed' dates me back to the eighties. I'm still 29, just so e'rryone know, though.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (IG4Id)

250 I would also say the first moment you don't do what we say you lose every bit of money we give you.

But again, it's likely all money laundering. I'm beginning to appreciate that probably none of that is actual aid.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (k1AR8)

251 218 I thought I was a soldier. Now I find out from none other the KJP itself that I was just plain folk.
Huh?
Who knew?
Posted by: Diogenes
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I know, right? A friendly handwave is the same as a salute.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (XeU6L)

Don't...give them ideas, please

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (xcxpd)

252 Where the Deep State's agenda and that of the "elected" party diverge, there is conflict.

The Deep State didn't instigate hostilities with Iran. Iran instigated hostilities with the US. I'm dubious they even conceive what a "Deep State" is. The entire Islamic world is hell bent on destroying everyone else so they can achieve paradise. Iran is poking around the edges to see what our response(s) are to various attacks.

They're learning. Planning.

The joke of a US administration that on one hand gives the mullahs billions of dollars and on the other hand has warfighters stationed in countries around Iran can't possibly be taken seriously in Tehran.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (Q4IgG)

253 Have the courage of your convictions: stop conducting commerce that depends on world trade routes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2024 12:45 PM (gSZYf)

Pretty sure my Chinese and European made things will get to me just fine without spending $5t on a war with Iran. Can we stop this 2003 thinking please?

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (F9jE7)

254 When it comes to foreign unnecessary wars put me in the Pacifist column

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (n2vyf)

255 many people here are expressing the "Jacksonian" position where we are slow to war but when we go, we go full force and without pity.

BUT THAT IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE NEO-ISOLATIONISTS. They are no war, no retaliatory strikes, in any circumstances, except direct attack/invasion on the mainland.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (KRtlO)

256 Right up until WW 2, which he also considered a 'racket'. Smedley didn't take Nazi Germany or Russia seriously.
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Well Smedley wasn't a European. We ended up allied with Russia. It was a very smart thing to do given the Russians/Soviets did most of the dying in Europe. We did the same with China, too, and Chinese did most of the dying. Schmartz.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (pZ64F)

257 You can't spell 'disingenuous asshole' without the letters a-c-e.
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I don't c it.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (krQz2)

258 >>You can't spell 'disingenuous asshole' without the letters a-c-e.

You should have thrown a 'cocksucker' in there.

Live and learn.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (mdhFC)

259 Leave this here

KJP: The three soldiers killed over the weekend “were fighting on behalf of this administration.”

Gotcha there Rastafarian Raggedy Ann

Not Fighting to Defend this Country.

Another reason why recruiting and retention are in the toilet.
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Addendum - fvck all you shit weasels starting with Gen. Miley and going all the way to the top.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (lpPTQ)

260 Any attack on Iran that does not include detonating a nuke at the bottom of that damfool well in the "holy" city of Qom is an insufficient attack.

Incorrect. That would simply create a larger well for the 13th Imam to hide in.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (CsUN+)

261 [cut]
Posted by: Ace dreams of John McCain at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM

I'm not seeing a 'c'. Are you seeing a 'c'?

Perhaps you need to 'c' an opthomologist?

[Don't cut and paste troll droppings] [CBD]

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (a3Q+t)

262 I was just asking your position knowing that's how the U.S. "fights" wars now.

I'm of the "kill people and families and go home" threat mindset myself
Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (k1AR

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Right there with you.

But we don't fight wars like you've described, hence our hesitation about...any war.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (JeYYB)

263 David Frum says it's our fault because we didn't love Biden enough.

David Frum
@davidfrum
Americans have been killed by an Iranian drone attack on the 100th day of the House Republican blockade of an emergency defense bill.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (FVME7)

264
Kharg Island, Iran. Blow some stuff up so they can't export oil for a couple weeks to months. Let 'em know we can do it again and again and again. If they behave they get some money, if they don't behave their oil is useless.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (nIvob)

265 When you try to capture the Ron Paul vote, you have to realize you're also capturing the Goldbug Paulnuts.

Posted by: Wally at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (hqVaF)

266 >>>Attacking Graham and Cornyn I am down for. But he's doing more than attacking them for their warmongering excesses -- he's endorsing his own excesses, by committing to a Ron Paul isolationist position, where even merely supporting an ally with loans and arms is unbearably increasing the chances we'll send "boots on the ground to Gaza" by some trivial 0.00001% chance.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (KRtlO)
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I haven't listened to all of Tucker's presentations; however, I'm not sure that that is Tucker's position. I haven't heard anything that radical from him.
It is an untenable position.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:49 PM (rCHWE)

267 BUT THAT IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE NEO-ISOLATIONISTS. They are no war, no retaliatory strikes, in any circumstances, except direct attack/invasion on the mainland.
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (KRtlO)
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I think we're saying we repudiate that position.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2024 12:49 PM (tT6L1)

268 It isn't pacifism, it *is* distrust of the current administration and the DEIpartment of DEIfense to respond competently.

The most likely options for this gang of midwits is either A. Launch some of our few remaining precision guided munitions into empty buildings or B. Occupy Yemen for 20 years, waste trillions of dollars, squander thousands of young lives before handing it back to the Houthis plus billions in abandoned military hardware.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at January 29, 2024 12:49 PM (9yUzE)

269 OT:
Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison

Good. That's surprising.
Posted by: Archimedes

The 5 years was for getting caught, they give corp board membership for doing their bidding without getting caught.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 29, 2024 12:49 PM (rNG1c)

270 Cities without power would deteriorate into GAZA within 48 hours.
Posted by: Inogame at January 29, 2024 12:38 PM (53oGX)

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Gaza is not so bad. It's a strip 25-miles long and 7-12 miles wide.

And it's got 36 hospitals!

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:49 PM (krQz2)

271 "War is a racket."
-- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC, 2-time MOH awardee
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He also discovered Stonewall Jackson's amputated arm and gave it a military funeral with full honors. He was a Marine.
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (pZ64F)
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Most of the Marines i know are pretty even handed about stuff.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (W/lyH)

272 255 many people here are expressing the "Jacksonian" position where we are slow to war but when we go, we go full force and without pity.

BUT THAT IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE NEO-ISOLATIONISTS. They are no war, no retaliatory strikes, in any circumstances, except direct attack/invasion on the mainland.
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (KRtlO)

Okay, so we're not them...and Tucker is.
That said, I think Trump (who I don't like on many things) has my position, and it's not something I worry about with him - he gets foreign policy (stay the f out, unless you're gonna kick down the door, shoot the dog, castrate and hang up the cheating spouse, and then smoke a cigar after - yes, I decided to channel Ace's picturesque style)...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (exHjb)

273 The argument that without forever war we can’t have commerce is like the left’s argument that without illegals farms can’t operate.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (F9jE7)

274 The Obama Administration did zero when Russia invaded Crimea and basically took Georgia by force. They were resoundingly criticized at the time, and one might argue it invited further invasions by Russia, including in Ukraine. "Sanctions" people bleated, were weak and ineffectual. So- that's now the MAGA position? What Obama did and I guess the "neocons" criticized him for?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (Uh2jt)

275 The Babylon Bee is fired up today, with an article headline of "Biden Cleverly distracts from Civil War By Starting World War". But my favorite might just be "Biden Says Texas Has Till End Of Day To Remove Razor Wire Or Else Frinlerbagsuzzit Dorblelerg"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (iB/PB)

276 But we don't fight wars like you've described, hence our hesitation about...any war.

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This.

I don't agree with pacifism and the "neoisolationism" whatever, but if the choice is not engaging in a 20 year $3T war that kills 5000 Americans and cripples 100K more or going to war because defense contractors need to maintain their books, I'm fine with the former.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (k1AR8)

277 Identification, friend or foe (IFF) problem

Perhaps the drone used the wrong pronouns.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (CsUN+)

278 273 The argument that without forever war we can’t have commerce is like the left’s argument that without illegals farms can’t operate.
Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (F9jE7)

The navy for that matter is the branch that is mostly neglected though that's their specific role.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (eYoxG)

279 Tucker has been spending a bit too much time with the likes of Douglas Macgreggor.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 12:51 PM (mdhFC)

280 "David Frum
@davidfrum
Americans have been killed by an Iranian drone attack on the 100th day of the House Republican blockade of an emergency defense bill."

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Yes. Because as we all know, we go from bill passage right to "drone defense system" that prevents all deaths in a week.

It both funny and sad people like this are viewed as having wisdom by the smart set.

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 29, 2024 12:51 PM (i7Q7S)

281 A YT channel (maybe Preston Stewart) makes the point that Iran is making war on the US, on Iran's terms. And the US keeps hitting proxies.

Sounds like a correct assessment. Hey, Obama, make sure we keep sending pallets of cash.

Posted by: JM in Ill - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 29, 2024 12:51 PM (o5jjM)

282 Addendum - fvck all you shit weasels starting with Gen. Miley and going all the way to the top.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (lpPTQ)

Anna Puma Johnson is right!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:51 PM (xcxpd)

283
BUT THAT IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE NEO-ISOLATIONISTS. They are no war, no retaliatory strikes, in any circumstances, except direct attack/invasion on the mainland.
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (KRtlO)

If that's actually the position, I'll take your word for it. I guess I'm guilty of interpreting things some people say in a way that aligns with my own preferences when I'm not paying attention that closely.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 29, 2024 12:51 PM (fKIdX)

284 David Frum says it's our fault because we didn't love Biden enough.

David Frum
@davidfrum
Americans have been killed by an Iranian drone attack on the 100th day of the House Republican blockade of an emergency defense bill.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (FVME7)
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He's on to the Money Fixes Everything brand of politics.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:51 PM (krQz2)

285 As a guy who was in the Army before and during the Sandbox Wars, I'm not a big fan of our wartime strategies. Using a 20 million dollar bomb to kill a few guys here and there in targeted strikes has been a fairly crappy warfighting tactic. Winning hearts and minds was bogus for us too.
I lost friends in those two wars and it very much upsets me that those that lost their lives in Afghanistan died in vain. Twenty Years there just to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. We have absolute trash military leadership. People should have court martialed.
I'm more reserved about what our military should be used for. If they want to bomb more than an aspirin factory in retaliation I say go ahead. But war? If we aren't going to commit to total war then its not even worth putting boots on the ground.

Posted by: Spiff The Spaceman at January 29, 2024 12:51 PM (evaxF)

286 Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 29, 2024 12:43 PM (KbCG3)

Wow, you don't want your kids killed for that embezzler, Zelensky? Ice cold.

Posted by: GOP sux at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (Zzbjj)

287 I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

Shrub and Obama used American troops incompetently - getting them killed to no end.

Biden has as well and seems open to using those troops against heritage Americans.

Pacifist isn't the right word to react to this, but I sure as hell don't want American servicemen being used in this way.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (ibTVg)

288 166 I could hear more about Whore Island....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:36 PM (xcxpd)
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Whore Island is where the "All You Can eat Carne Asada and Blow Jobs Boat" docks.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (17s+e)

289 We spent a fortune and killed thousands of American kids in Iraq. For what? Abso-fucking-lutely nothing. And now here we are 20 years later and it’s the same arguments for doing it again in Iran.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (F9jE7)

290 Uh, how are we in Jordan without a Declaration of War, or some Use of Force bill from Congress?

Jordan did not invite us, and they are NOT an Al Q ally (so WOT use of force does not work).

Or, after 20 years in countries, does the UN Charter just not apply to use... you know, the one that says we are not supposed to INVADE UN Member States?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (xaFKb)

291 255 many people here are expressing the "Jacksonian" position where we are slow to war but when we go, we go full force and without pity.

BUT THAT IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE NEO-ISOLATIONISTS. They are no war, no retaliatory strikes, in any circumstances, except direct attack/invasion on the mainland.

-- Okay, then we aren't in agreement with the neo-isolationists then. Now what?

Posted by: Ryan Frank at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (fgmuN)

292 Who are these neo-isolationists?
This is a new political group that I'm not aware of.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (rCHWE)

293 274 The Obama Administration did zero when Russia invaded Crimea and basically took Georgia by force. They were resoundingly criticized at the time, and one might argue it invited further invasions by Russia, including in Ukraine. "Sanctions" people bleated, were weak and ineffectual. So- that's now the MAGA position? What Obama did and I guess the "neocons" criticized him for?
Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (Uh2jt)

Bush also stands in line for some blame, at least for Georgia.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (xcxpd)

294 "We lost 3 folks who are military folks… fighting on behalf of the administration"

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It is very reassuring that thanks to DEI, people with this level of brain power now put bolts on 737's.

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (i7Q7S)

295
David Frum
@davidfrum
Americans have been killed by an Iranian drone attack on the 100th day of the House Republican blockade of an emergency defense bill.

LOL.. An "emergency" defense bill sending billions.... to Ukraine.... Some defense of America

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (n2vyf)

296 No other president in the history of our United States has ~~had to face more dangerous threats from outside forces that imperil all of us~~ been as focused on what ice cream he will have for lunch. Our hats are off to you along with our humble thanks.
Posted by: 100% of the media at January 29, 2024

***
FTFY, Media

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (J2vNu)

297 Can we stop this 2003 thinking please?

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (F9jE7)

This is simply ignorant. World trade depends on safe shipping lanes. No way around that. If you want the Chinese to control those lanes, then you will get your wish if we withdraw completely.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2024 12:53 PM (gSZYf)

298 Identification, friend or foe (IFF) problem
Posted by: SMOD

There's a bad IFF problem in DC.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at January 29, 2024 12:53 PM (FVME7)

299 OT:
Man who stole and leaked Trump tax records sentenced to 5 years in prison

Good. That's surprising.
Posted by: Archimedes

May his cell mate be lonely.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 29, 2024 12:53 PM (N39Ws)

300 Whore Island is where the "All You Can eat Carne Asada and Blow Jobs Boat" docks.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (17s+e)

*buys ticket*

I do like carne asada and BJs...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:53 PM (xcxpd)

301 274 The Obama Administration did zero when Russia invaded Crimea and basically took Georgia by force. They were resoundingly criticized at the time, and one might argue it invited further invasions by Russia, including in Ukraine. "Sanctions" people bleated, were weak and ineffectual. So- that's now the MAGA position? What Obama did and I guess the "neocons" criticized him for?
Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (Uh2jt)

Georgia is still an independent country and was invaded to prevent their joining NATO.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (eYoxG)

302 People should have court martialed.

Remember the only officer court martialed for the abject failure in 'Stan was the guy that said the military leadership should be held accountable for the failure.

They did court martial a bunch of grunts though for killing jihadis and famously one for stopping a "friendly" jihadi from raping a boy.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (ibTVg)

303 There's a bad IFF problem in DC.

No there isn't, assume all are enemy until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (lpPTQ)

304 supporting an ally with loans and arms is unbearably increasing the chances we'll send "boots on the ground to Gaza" by some trivial 0.00001% chance.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:41 PM (KRtlO)
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My thinking is: We do not trust our government not to look for ways to make a bad situation worse. How often do we send arms and money without military advisors? The fecklessness of our foreign policy has brought us to this point.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (tT6L1)

305 289 We spent a fortune and killed thousands of American kids in Iraq. For what? Abso-fucking-lutely nothing. And now here we are 20 years later and it’s the same arguments for doing it again in Iran.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM (F9jE7)

We recently had a discussion of how to create apathy. You do it by ensuring that no matter how hard they try, you never let any accomplishment stand.

I give you the History of the US Military, since WW2.

And then they wonder why so many Vets are angry, and depressed... and they can't meet recruitment quotas.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (xaFKb)

306 But the neo-isolationists are in fact endorsing a hardcore, all the way on one side of the spectrum position of absolute pacificism, *except* if the homeland is attacked. if our foreign bases are attacked -- well, just dismantle the foreign bases.
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (KRtlO)

There are rare instances where an ally being attacked is a direct threat to the homeland but when has that been the case recently?

Again, this is simply jerking off since we do not have control of our borders and any sort of retribution on the homeland is possible. Maybe the point of that is to facilitate an attack on the homeland as a causus belli for war. It wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (KSNKu)

307 Incorrect. That would simply create a larger well for the 13th Imam to hide in.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (CsUN+)

No, you'd get a big crater, that would be largely filled with fallback breccia. And then the D9's could push what left of the city into it, to fill it up level with the surrounding terrain.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (tkR6S)

308 It's simple.

If you aren't going to bomb them back into the Stone Age, don't go to war.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (UnA8+)

309 >>>I think we're saying we repudiate that position.

some of you are. Some people are calling me a McCain fan for repudiating the Ron Paul absolute isolationism position.

Do you read the comments? You should. There are at least six people in the comments endorsing this position. And this is Tucker Carlson's position, who has a lot of sway in MAGA.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (KRtlO)

310 Okay, so we're not them...and Tucker is.
That said, I think Trump (who I don't like on many things) has my position, and it's not something I worry about with him - he gets foreign policy (stay the f out, unless you're gonna kick down the door, shoot the dog, castrate and hang up the cheating spouse, and then smoke a cigar after - yes, I decided to channel Ace's picturesque style)...

Posted by: Nova Local
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You forgot, take their stuff.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (rCHWE)

311 Many rightwingers now share a deep distrust of the state with the radical “ancap” contingent of the Libertarian Party. Trumpian antipathy to the state (which is fake) appears of a piece with their position.

Posted by: Randolph Bourne at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (ogTiX)

312 Found comedian talking about Trump. It's not really tilted one way or the other, but the impersonation is fantastic.

Well worth the watch.

http://tinyurl.com/ylwzlro2

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (k1AR8)

313 I don't think you can pigeonhole people into being pacifists, neo-isolationists, warmongers, or whatever. Certainly not politicians who change their stance at the drop of 100 dollar bill. It's just more triangulation and pandering to whomever is waving more money in their faces.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (Q4IgG)

314 I will never understand why Obama and Biden were so hell bent on appeasing Iran and willing to take such political heat.

Usually liberals arent hard to figure out, they're in the business of buying votes. But what voter base were they going after with pallets of cash for Iran?

I just have to assume they hate America and want our enemies stronger.

Posted by: Blago at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (wMRY8)

315 Can we stop this 2003 thinking please?

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (F9jE7)

This is simply ignorant. World trade depends on safe shipping lanes. No way around that. If you want the Chinese to control those lanes, then you will get your wish if we withdraw completely.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2024 12:53 PM (gSZYf)

Houthis should be put out of business...permanently...shouldn't take more than a week...w/no boots on ground.

Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (AwYPR)

316 147 We loved Bolton until we didn't.

I celebrate his entire catalog.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (25k9m)

317 Georgia is still an independent country and was invaded to prevent their joining NATO.

Ummmm.....

Unless this was intentional, in which case, well done.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (CsUN+)

318 Tell me. Who are these neo isolationists?

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (rCHWE)

319 248 151 Identification, friend or foe (IFF) problem
Posted by: SMOD at January 29, 2024 12:34 PM (RHGPo)

Whew! See? Our bad. No need to do anything.

Posted by: Auspex at January 29, 2024 12:46 PM (j4U/Z)

Real-time command our approaching drones to do a mission-unique maneuver every time one is returning to base. At a distance that permits base defenses to effectively engage an enemy drone pacing the returning drone. IFF by different means. Did the base or higher commanders use or think about using this technique?

Posted by: Gref at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (5fDan)

320 260 Incorrect. That would simply create a larger well for the 13th Imam to hide in.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:48 PM (CsUN+)

Also, a covert mission into the KSA to destroy the Ka'aba.

If the Moon Rock goes away, then Big Mo the Pedo Prophet is shown to be full of shit.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (UnA8+)

321 Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (Uh2jt)

Georgia is still an independent country and was invaded to prevent their joining NATO.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (eYoxG)

More, Georgia was invaded as we had US Special Forces there doing 'exercises'.

What would be our reaction if they sent Spetznatz to Mexico???

Actually... at this point, as they would not like the Cartels, it might not be a bad thing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (xaFKb)

322 I'm sick of a ruling class that thinks they're clever enough to do gunboat diplomacy from luxury yachts.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (VoAdT)

323 >> I will never understand why Obama and Biden were so hell bent on appeasing Iran and willing to take such political heat.

Obama hates America and Great Britain. Also, Whitey.

Biden, is merely towing the line to cover for his petty corruption.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (mdhFC)

324 If we hadn't got involved in WW1, it probably would have ended with stalemate or a German victory, which in either case would have left Germans in a much better position to contain or even destroy the Bolsheviks. Plus, no Hitler.

So as is so often the case, it's all Wilson's fault.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (Dm8we)

325 And then they wonder why so many Vets are angry, and depressed... and they can't meet recruitment quotas.
Posted by: Romeo13

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The craziest part to me is that they're missing targets by so much that they won't even release the numbers, in this economy

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (k1AR8)

326 Gaylord and Joey both view the US as too powerful so anything that weakens the US is okay.

Remember Gaylord wanted a multi-polar world order.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (lpPTQ)

327
We recently had a discussion of how to create apathy. You do it by ensuring that no matter how hard they try, you never let any accomplishment stand.

—

Ok what was accomplished in Iraq? Other than Dick Cheney’s friends getting wealthy.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (F9jE7)

328 "The "prosecutors" sought this sweetheart deal for him, the judge said the sentence is a joke."

I would just like to point out that the judge is not party to the prosecution's plea deal, so once the defendant pleads guilty in open court, the judge can sentence him to the maximum penalty allowed by law, regardless of the deal.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (ou9hh)

329 309 Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (KRtlO)

There is a middle road.

We can avoid the EVERY WAR EVERYWHERE (while we allow unfettered wave migration to kill our own proles!) and "NO WAR EVER ANYWHERE! (not even our own borders!) extremes.

The thing is a nation that makes the majority of its best military age sons the villains of their own life story may not be worth defending.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (X0I7i)

330 301 274 The Obama Administration did zero when Russia invaded Crimea and basically took Georgia by force. They were resoundingly criticized at the time, and one might argue it invited further invasions by Russia, including in Ukraine. "Sanctions" people bleated, were weak and ineffectual. So- that's now the MAGA position? What Obama did and I guess the "neocons" criticized him for?
Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (Uh2jt)

Georgia is still an independent country and was invaded to prevent their joining NATO.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (eYoxG)

It's smaller than it used to be. And it's been quiet, both Russian successes. Georgia used to be a growing ally of the West. Not no more. And Marcus is right about Crimea and Georgia operations embolding Russia.

Now the US of A fucked around quite a bit in Russia's backyard, that is true. Basically we're terrible allies and terrible people as a nation (if not individuals)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:58 PM (xcxpd)

331 328 Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 29, 2024 12:57 PM (ou9hh)

Quite.

It. Was. An. Op.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 12:58 PM (X0I7i)

332 315
Houthis should be put out of business...permanently...shouldn't take more than a week...w/no boots on ground.
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (AwYPR)

This is something that amazes me. Most technologically advanced country in the world. Can't we track the path missiles or even drones take and know where they launched from? Then why can't we make those locations disappear?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 29, 2024 12:58 PM (N39Ws)

333 All too often, "American Interests," overseas are just the business profits of those who own the politicians, and not the interests of Americans.

Posted by: davidt at January 29, 2024 12:58 PM (SYTee)

334 >>>Shrub and Obama used American troops incompetently - getting them killed to no end.
Biden has as well and seems open to using those troops against heritage Americans.
Pacifist isn't the right word to react to this, but I sure as hell don't want American servicemen being used in this way.

well yes, but this illustrates what I meant (and didn't express clearly) when I said this was going from a "guidance" to a "doctrine."

Yes, i undestand the feeling that the Deep State is very bad at waging war and we shouldn't give them the keys to the car when they're drunk, which is always. I endorse, 100%, the skepticism of the Deep State's claims for the need of war, and expecially their claims of their capability of waging war.

But that's what I mean by a "guidance' -- something we must bear in mind when making decisions.

But the New Isolationists like Tucker Carlson aren't taking this as a guidance, but as an absolute doctrine: No war, ever, not even less-than-war things like airstrikes or giving support to allies, because that increases the chances of being drawn into a war by 0.0001%, and that's too great a risk.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:58 PM (KRtlO)

335 I think we're saying we repudiate that position.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2024 12:49 PM (tT6L1)

Is it a necessary predicate to pudiate the position first, or can you skip straight to repudiation?

Posted by: English can be confusing sometimes at January 29, 2024 12:58 PM (pKFK0)

336 271 "War is a racket."
-- Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler
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He was a Marine.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Most of the Marines i know are pretty even handed about stuff. Posted by: Diogenes
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Smedley was very familiar with the Banana Republic Wars where the US Marines were used willy nilly to support the likes of United Fruit Company and US investors that loaned money to various Banana Republics in the Caribbean.

Robert Heinlein, an Annapolis grad and former naval officer, expressed his opinion of the era as the Navy and Marines were subject to the President's commands to protect and defend American interests abroad while the US Army belonged to Congress (as in being involved in a major ground war). Nowadays, include the USAF also as a light on the ground force subject to Presidential command short of declaring war.

Unfortunately, the US Army and its reserve components provide a temptation to invade and occupy rather than raid foreign countries and we have used it to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, etc. without declaration of War. Invading and occupying indicate total war is needed, not calibrated strikes and that should require a formal declaration of war.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2024 12:58 PM (ZcPYF)

337 The Obama Administration did zero when Russia invaded Crimea and basically took Georgia by force. They were resoundingly criticized at the time, and one might argue it invited further invasions by Russia, including in Ukraine. "Sanctions" people bleated, were weak and ineffectual. So- that's now the MAGA position? What Obama did and I guess the "neocons" criticized him for?
Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 12:50 PM (Uh2jt)
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It's ironic. Because a Brookings institute 2012 article clearly shows that Obama came into office thinking that the Republicans were "unnecessarily provoking" Putin. That's what all the "Reset Button" was about, the "Silicon Valley in Russia" investment encouragement, the removal of technology embargos.

+ 8 Years, Putin is the DC caricature for All Bad Things.

Even in 2012 the Brookings Institute praised Obama for seeing Putin as a "rational world leader". This is after Russia's annexation of Georgia.

This is why it's hard to buy the DNC on "Russia hacking"--because Hillary and Obama totally enabled it, because oppositional politics made them decry the Republicans as too mean to Putin!

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (krQz2)

338 This is simply ignorant. World trade depends on safe shipping lanes. No way around that. If you want the Chinese to control those lanes, then you will get your wish if we withdraw completely.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Yep. It wasn't the British Army that created the British Empire.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (9yWhg)

339 Also, a covert mission into the KSA to destroy the Ka'aba.

Sell the bits to the faithful

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (lpPTQ)

340 313 I don't think you can pigeonhole people into being pacifists, neo-isolationists, warmongers, or whatever...
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ace is, and I want to know who he is talking about so that I may see for myself. But he won't answer, directly, the question.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (rCHWE)

341 317 "Georgia is still an independent country and was invaded to prevent their joining NATO."

Ummmm.....

Unless this was intentional, in which case, well done.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (CsUN+)

Georgia is literally an independent country, Russia did not annex it.

If your position is that being unable to make their own choices in regards to NATO makes them not independent, well neither is Germany then. Most countries aren't in a position to make decisions in a vacuum. Russia also isn't able to join NATO even if they wished to.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (eYoxG)

342 Iran really is about the easiest case imaginable. Their economy is totally dependent on a single commodity, which exits their country via a single choke point, and can be utterly obliterated with standoff weapons, totally destabilizing an already unstable country. No servicemen need be put in peril.

Will they try to respond? Probably, but they are already.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (CsUN+)

343 "Georgia is still an independent country and was invaded to prevent their joining NATO.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 29, 2024 12:54 PM (eYoxG)"

lol. Sure it is. That's why they are fighting with the Russians in Ukraine and there are unmarked graves and disappearances. It's also the same strategy Russia has been trying elsewhere. There was no way they would let Crimea turn into a place where Western assets would park. They also didn't want NATO in Ukraine, but that's largely a straw man. The fact is that every time Putin needed to be "re-elected" he went for the invasion and nationalism card. Mostly because he learned nobody would stop him. Here we are.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (Uh2jt)

344 318 Tell me. Who are these neo isolationists?
Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (rCHWE)

Use this handy chart to identify a neo isolationist...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (xcxpd)

345 Yeah, endless amounts of money, military resources into the Ukraine but now or ever will it be The Model of Democracy. (More of a pig in a poke, imho.)

The nation building BS is simply not working anywhere.

Posted by: L - Confident they're working on new 'rope-a-dope' techniques for the Presidential election at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (GshMh)

346 I want to go on record as saying we should've gone over the MOMENT American hostages were announced and started killing the **** out of everyone and everything until they were released or their bodies were released.

Bunker buster bombs, the works. You have the amount of time it takes for our jets to reach you and then you're out of time.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (k1AR8)

347 >>>There is a middle road.

yes i agree, but that is not the position of the New Isolationists like Tucker Carlson and quite a few MAGA influencers. Their position is that the "middle road" is just as much a road to war as the belligerent warmongering of Lindsay Graham, and only the pacificist road can avoid war.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:00 PM (KRtlO)

348 Houthis should be put out of business...permanently...shouldn't take more than a week...w/no boots on ground.
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (AwYPR)

Shut your filthy whore mouth!! It will take at least 8 years and 300k American servicemen in Yemen.
- American Defense Contractors

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:00 PM (F9jE7)

349 If we hadn't got involved in WW1, it probably would have ended with stalemate or a German victory

I think stalemate.

Both armies were exhausted.

The Germans were pulling their Eastern units to the western front for a final attempt to win. If that stalls out then faced with on going blockade and no real way to win I expect that eventually you end up with some sort of negotiated peace.

Perhaps the Germans get some (ultimately worthless) African colonies in return for keeping the commies down in Russia and that keeps them busy for a couple of generations...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 01:00 PM (ibTVg)

350 Oh, so this is MAGAs fault?

*takes notes*

To be fair to ace, I have no fucking clue which I want on a given day. 'Let it all burn' or 'fuck you, next asshole.'

Right now, my first thought was 'Why do we have people in Jordan?'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson work phone at January 29, 2024 01:00 PM (d2oaP)

351 I'm afraid if Biden goes to war it will be because he thinks it will help his re-election...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:00 PM (n2vyf)

352 There’s no middle of the road. Because middle of the road is “just the tip”. And we know how that goes.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:01 PM (F9jE7)

353 Found comedian talking about Trump. It's not really tilted one way or the other, but the impersonation is fantastic.

Well worth the watch.

http://tinyurl.com/ylwzlro2
Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering

Ahh, the good old days.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at January 29, 2024 01:01 PM (FVME7)

354 The people in charge right now are grossly incompetent and likely to get us into yet another overseas war, even while we are under invasion from the south.

Until those folks are out of power, I favor a limited face-saving response only.

Posted by: Ex GOP at January 29, 2024 01:01 PM (qS8WV)

355 I'll wait until some of those mid-east, military-aged illegals coming across our borders decide to start the mass killings of Americans, and then see who supports foreign wars.

IOW, through our "kinder, gentler" wars that seem so popular since Vietnam, our enemies have been given the keys of this country to wage their foreign war here.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2024 01:01 PM (BdMk6)

356 344 318 Tell me. Who are these neo isolationists?
Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 12:56 PM (rCHWE)

Use this handy chart to identify a neo isolationist...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM (xcxpd)

They know kung fu, but won't go anywhere with it.

Posted by: Red pill, blue pill, gimme pills at January 29, 2024 01:01 PM (pKFK0)

357 333 All too often, "American Interests," overseas are just the business profits of those who own the politicians, and not the interests of Americans.
Posted by: davidt
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Free access to the seas and trade between countries not at war has been an American foreign policy constant since the Founding regardless of party. Invading and occupation of countries other than in a total war situation aka WWII is not. To the extent Smedley was discussing rackets, it was that US military forces were occupying places like Haiti to ensure US investors got their Haitian bond interest payments.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (ZcPYF)

358 No war, ever, not even less-than-war things like airstrikes or giving support to allies, because that increases the chances of being drawn into a war by 0.0001%, and that's too great a risk.
Posted by: ace

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Interestingly, that ties into my "Bunker buster bombs, the works. You have the amount of time it takes for our jets to reach you and then you're out of time" comment above.

The reason we are where we are now is because it wasn't handled in a timely manner. They wouldn't even acknowledge that U.S. hostages existed.

The motivation is why.

I think it's because they want another forever war.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (k1AR8)

359 The left sees the military as disposable world police.
The GOPe sees the military as disposable profit centers.

So, until that changes, the one and only safe place for our troops is at home.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (qJx+G)

360 The Germans did a pretty good job of sucking America into WWI with the infamous Z telegram suggesting to Mexico they attack the US.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (lpPTQ)

361 I will never understand why Obama and Biden were so hell bent on appeasing Iran and willing to take such political heat.

Usually liberals arent hard to figure out, they're in the business of buying votes. But what voter base were they going after with pallets of cash for Iran?

I just have to assume they hate America and want our enemies stronger.
Posted by: Blago
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I do not disagree, except that Biden hasn't the insight or intellectual capacity to consider *anything* beyond immediate political or cash reward. No MENSA card in his wallet. He is archetypical of the useful idiot.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (XeU6L)

362 It's smaller than it used to be. And it's been quiet, both Russian successes. Georgia used to be a growing ally of the West. Not no more. And Marcus is right about Crimea and Georgia operations embolding Russia.

Now the US of A fucked around quite a bit in Russia's backyard, that is true. Basically we're terrible allies and terrible people as a nation (if not individuals)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 12:58 PM (xcxpd)

Russia's sphere has been shrinking for the last few decades and they're now having to play second fiddle to China.

If they were to lose say, all their Central Asia dependencies and then reclaim a sliver of them, that is not an advance. That is a decline.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (eYoxG)

363 > This is something that amazes me. Most technologically advanced country in the world. Can't we track the path missiles or even drones take and know where they launched from? Then why can't we make those locations disappear?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
_______________

We can. But don't. Someone has to give the order to do that. They haven't. For reasons....

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (Q4IgG)

364 All roads lead to war. It is an inevitable fact of the human condition. There will always be some asshole who wants what the asshole next door has- or to keep him from doing something or because of something he did.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson work phone at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (d2oaP)

365 “A sizable majority of the public supports Texas’s construction of a wall along its border with Mexico and feels that President Joe Biden’s efforts to stop it are the first step toward civil war.”

Posted by: SMOD at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (RHGPo)

366 All is well, Lloyd Austin is back on the job!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (63Dwl)

367 347 Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:00 PM (KRtlO)

Ordinarily after success (or failure) the US military takes a decade or so off to realign with lessons learned.

We are pretending every military action for the last 30 years was such a win we do not need to realign.

You do not go to Bozo the Clown for Brain Surgery, hire a plumber to entertain a kids party, nor task a neuro-surgeon with plumbing your home...

the US government is singularly not fit to purpose.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (X0I7i)

368 I thought tucker hated trump and anything trump related

Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (ZGGD+)

369 If we hadn't got involved in WW1, it probably would have ended with stalemate or a German victory, which in either case would have left Germans in a much better position to contain or even destroy the Bolsheviks.

Had the Germans won outright, I think there still would've been a war between US and them. They would have gobbled up most, if not all, of the British and French colonial empires and become a global nuisance that would've needed to be dealt with eventually.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (9yWhg)

370 360 The Germans did a pretty good job of sucking America into WWI with the infamous Z telegram suggesting to Mexico they attack the US.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (lpPTQ)

Germans suck at diplomacy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (xcxpd)

371 8 Years, Putin is the DC caricature for All Bad Things.

Over the last 10 years DC has become the gay version of Vlad. If it wasn't so depressing it would be comical.

From imprisoning political dissidents to having troublesome figures having convenient deaths to having politically connected oligarchs the Biden junta has little room to criticize Vlad...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (ibTVg)

372 as for "salivating for war with Iran" --

Iran has been paying terrorists to kill Americans for fifty years. They're also building a nuclear bomb, which they intend to use. (Or they will at least threaten to use it, to stop anyone from retaliating against their terror campaigns.)

To just say "oh the Deep State has been salivating for war with Iran for 25 years' is doing exactly what I'm accusing the neo-isolationists of -- excusing the vicious attacks by a hostile foreign regime and claiming the only conflict here is due to what Americans are doing.

We used to mock this position before and especially after 9/11, now many of us are embracing it. If some foreign terrorists kill us, well, you know -- what did we do TO THEM to bring this on ourselves?

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (KRtlO)

373 Many rightwingers now share a deep distrust of the state with the radical “ancap” contingent of the Libertarian Party. Trumpian antipathy to the state (which is fake) appears of a piece with their position.
Posted by: Randolph Bourne at January 29, 2024 12:55 PM (ogTiX)
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I would never identify myself as a "rightwinger", but as a person of the Non-left, I find myself nearly to the same level of distrust as Glen Greenwold, and people like Assange.

I think I was too skeptical against the IC-alarmists and not skeptical enough against the IC.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (krQz2)

374 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

375 351 I'm afraid if Biden goes to war it will be because he thinks it will help his re-election...
Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:00 PM (n2vyf)

And that's probably truly the reason for Tucker's position...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (exHjb)

376 He is archetypical of the useful idiot.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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I'll rephrase that, he is the ultimate useful idiot, even more so than Barky.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (XeU6L)

377 Yep. It wasn't the British Army that created the British Empire.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Word.

Posted by: Alfred Thayer Mahan at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (CsUN+)

378 The US could put word out don’t fuck with us or you’ll find out. And nobody would fuck with us. Instead the word is fuck with us and you’ll get a harshly worded letter in response.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (F9jE7)

379 We are pretending every military action for the last 30 years was such a win we do not need to realign.

One of the big lessons of the Uke war is "if you can see it you can kill it".

Is our military paying attention at all to this? Because I don't see the shift in resources you would expect...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (ibTVg)

380 IOW, through our "kinder, gentler" wars that seem so popular since Vietnam, our enemies have been given the keys of this country to wage their foreign war here.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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It comes from the idiocy that all immigrants want to be Americans which treats people like potatoes. There is a corollary that all people in the world wish to live in a democracy which is also bullshit which led to pointless democracy building exercises in cultures antithetical to democratic governance. Hubris from the successful conduct of WWII and rebuilding Germany and Japan.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (ZcPYF)

381 >>This is something that amazes me. Most technologically advanced country in the world. Can't we track the path missiles or even drones take and know where they launched from? Then why can't we make those locations disappear?

There is an Iranian Ship parked in the middle of the Red Sea and it is coordinating / triangulating / targeting for the Houthis.

The fact that it is not on the BOTTOM of the Red Sea tells you all you need to know about our Military Leadership.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (mdhFC)

382 And that's probably truly the reason for Tucker's position...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (exHjb)

I'm thinking you're right

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (n2vyf)

383 Putin is the elected leader of Russia, but he is certainly not our friend. You don't keep advancing your interests by invading other countries and folding them into your own then expect to be called something magnanimous. That said, there is a relationship to be maintained and Democrats along with DoS have destroyed that trust to make him the bogeyman for everything. We have a lot in common with the Russian people and the fact the people running out foreign policy have destroyed our relationship for their politics is beyond understanding.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (Uh2jt)

384 "Jim Hanson points out that Biden has given a lot (most?) of our precision guided munitions to Ukraine so our ability to strike Iran is compromised."

Hot rocks need only so much precision.

Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (/Ce2o)

385 The acts, stunts, and proclamations of the Biden administration is merely Barack Obama's Fundamental Transformation Part Two.

Posted by: Jim at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (zhWvq)

386 374 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

Yes.

Posted by: Nova Local at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (exHjb)

387 I'll wait until some of those mid-east, military-aged illegals coming across our borders decide to start the mass killings of Americans, and then see who supports foreign wars.

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Ace, that's a good story if you haven't seen it.

A Muslim just released from 12 years in prison for terrorism, arms dealing, all the normal stuff was interviewed crossing the border and told the person (paraphrased) "You're not smart enough to know who I am, but soon you'll know my name"

http://tinyurl.com/ym2hh9we

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (k1AR8)

388 Russia's sphere has been shrinking for the last few decades and they're now having to play second fiddle to China.

If they were to lose say, all their Central Asia dependencies and then reclaim a sliver of them, that is not an advance. That is a decline.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (eYoxG)

Yeah, they're a regional power with nukes, just like Russia had been prior to post-war expansion. (minus the nukes, you know what I mean)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (xcxpd)

389 We lost 3 folks who are military folks… fighting on behalf of the administration"

Unbelievably bad even for KJP. Incoherent and ultimately wrong. This tells you all you need to know about their feelings regarding our military members. Let's not forget the 11 killed during the disastrously Afghanistan pull-out. Fighting on behalf of the administration?

Posted by: Cheri at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (oiNtH)

390
Iran really is about the easiest case imaginable. Their economy is totally dependent on a single commodity, which exits their country via a single choke point, and can be utterly obliterated with standoff weapons, totally destabilizing an already unstable country. No servicemen need be put in peril.

Will they try to respond? Probably, but they are already.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 12:59 PM

Yup, this has been known for half a century or more. Anna almost assuredly knows the name of the prominent Republican Senator, and former USAF, who offered to lead the first flight battalion against Kharg Island.

AuH20?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (nIvob)

391 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

It might be malaria...

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (lpPTQ)

392 I thought tucker hated trump and anything trump related

Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (ZGGD+)
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1. Tucker is given to emotional expressions at times.
2. He did at the time he said it.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (krQz2)

393 36...I do wonder why we have three soldiers on the Jordan-Syria border. Sleeping in a tent.

Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (wKqZM)

Maybe they complained about the tranny infiltration of their company. Maybe they voted republican last election. Maybe...

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (Rbu5d)

394 We built a very large BioLab in Georgia very near the Russian/Georgia border. It was so big and expensive it dwarfed Georgia's Defense Budget. The US Army pays for most of its operations to this day. NeoCons have been poking the Bear for some time. Oddly, NeoCon kids don't fight the wars their parents start.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (pZ64F)

395
Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

Yes.
Posted by: Nova Local at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (exHjb)

Yes.. Sounds like flu or the dreaded covid which is basically the same thing.

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (n2vyf)

396 We are in the midst of a major change in war-making, with Iran behind much of it:

Proxies with access to accurate ballistic missies
In expensive drones of all sizes, capable of swarning attacks
Fire and forget, proliferation of mobile launchers, underground launcher
Defensive weapons that cost a million per shot
Major navies (US, UK, India) stymies

Where will be in another ten or twenty years?

Posted by: JM in Ill - Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (wGK1C)

397 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

It might be malaria...
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (lpPTQ)
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Does hot iron take care of chills?

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (krQz2)

398 Iran has been paying terrorists to kill Americans for fifty years

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Fine. Still no reason to spend trillions of dollars and killing/maiming tens of thousands of American kids.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (F9jE7)

399 >>>Oh, so this is MAGAs fault?

I'm not saying it's MAGA's fault, I'm saying MAGA should stop to think about what it really wants, instead of sleepwalking into a Ron Paul absolute pacifism position because some influencers are very loud on the subject.

I mean, does everyone believe EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE now of what they used to? If so, and you've thought about this and decided to flip 180 degrees and embrace the "America is the cause of all world conflict" position -- fine, you thought through it and made a choice.

I don't think most people have thought about this or what they really believe. I think most people are just repeating memes on the interent and converting themselves to full neo-isolationism without ever really debating it with themselves.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (KRtlO)

400 374 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

You are sick. Get fluids in you + pain killers and go to bed. Heal up and feel better soon, man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (xcxpd)

401 “A sizable majority of the public supports Texas’s construction of a wall along its border with Mexico and feels that President Joe Biden’s efforts to stop it are the first step toward civil war.”

I've seen very little about the recent revelation that Biden sold off $300M worth of steel wall for $2M. I'd really like to hear his defense of that. If Trump wins, he'll just have to buy it all again.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (CsUN+)

402
Are they there to draw fire so as to create yet another excuse for massive American involvement?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2024 12:42 PM (tT6L1)

Unfortunately, that strategy has a long history in the US. Back in my Army days in the mid-80s, DoD formed the Infantry Division (Light) concept by taking a normal Infantry Division and stripping out virtually all of the supporting armor, weapons and vehicles. This made it "world-wide deployable" via 500 aircraft sorties. It also made the unit incapable of taking on anything more powerful that a local gendarmerie.

So you could put boots on the ground, but the heaviest weapons were a few TOW missile tubes and about 4-6 missiles per tube. In 6ID (L), we even had all of our 50 cal machine guns pulled, except a few units in the Division armory for training and Expert Infantry Badge testing.

We used to darkly joke that our job was to land in an enemy country and immediately get slaughtered so that the heavy armor could build up and counterattack in about 6 months to avenge our deaths.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (n+4am)

403 Why is it gauche to say you're a right-winger?

I'm a right-winger. No question.

I'm a conservative right-winger. Not a republican rightwinger that would mean I'm center-left.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (JeYYB)

404 374 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

My friend, we all know the answer to that.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (KbCG3)

405 Why wouldn't you expect neo-isolationism to grow after maximum interventionism was policy for a generation? Pendulum, dialectic, equal and opposite reaction, etc. Whether either policy is correct is kind of beside the point as to why preference for one or its opposite exists.

Posted by: deepelemblues at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (z9n5F)

406 Cheri

Narcissism run rampant. All the 'little' people are meaningless to them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (lpPTQ)

407 370 360 The Germans did a pretty good job of sucking America into WWI with the infamous Z telegram suggesting to Mexico they attack the US.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:02 PM (lpPTQ)

Germans suck at diplomacy.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

The stupid thing was that Zimmerman admitted in a press conference that he sent the telegraph and he sent a subsequent telegraph after the release of the first one urging the German minister to push Mexico, 'even now' to join up with the Central Powers and attack America.

Ironically, the NYT journalist at that press conference was a German spy and was frantically trying to prevent Zimmerman from admitting sending the telegraph as it collapsed domestic opposition to war who argued it was a British trick.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (ZcPYF)

408 387 A Muslim just released from 12 years in prison for terrorism, arms dealing, all the normal stuff was interviewed crossing the border and told the person (paraphrased) "You're not smart enough to know who I am, but soon you'll know my name"

http://tinyurl.com/ym2hh9we
Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (k1AR

At least he's not gay.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (UnA8+)

409 397 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

It might be malaria...
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (lpPTQ)
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Slap Hot Iron to it.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (pZ64F)

410 Why can't we just annihilate the degenerate Houthi cocksuckers without starting a war with Iran? It's the Houthis that are directly responsible for this, correct? So raze them to the ground. Put heads on pikes.

Iran will back off. And if they don't, then we can take it from there. Unlike some people here, I think Iran is a cowardly pussy state more interested in fucking goats and raping girls than fighting the USA. Sure, they fund proxy factions to attack us. But they are too cowardly to do it themselves. So wipe all their proxies off the Earth. At least start with that.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (iFTx/)

411 >>Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

If it is Disease 'X'...you would be wasting valuable time.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (mdhFC)

412 36...I do wonder why we have three soldiers on the Jordan-Syria border. Sleeping in a tent.

Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (wKqZM)

The phrase "staked goats" comes to mind. And it never should. American lives are worth far too much to be spent this way.

Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (/Ce2o)

413 379 Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (ibTVg)

I posited here decades ago that decommissioning ANY carriers was a stupid move because thanks to drone tech we could stifle the economy of any nation with suicide drones on a whim.

People do not listen to Sven.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (X0I7i)

414
I'm not saying it's MAGA's fault, I'm saying MAGA should stop to think about what it really wants, instead of sleepwalking into a Ron Paul absolute pacifism position because some influencers are very loud on the subject.

Well I for one am not going to make a decision on this until I hear from Nikki Haley !

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:07 PM (n2vyf)

415 thought tucker hated trump and anything trump related

Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (ZGGD+)
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1. Tucker is given to emotional expressions at times.
2. He did at the time he said it.
Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (krQz2)

Trump is an unreliable ally.

Posted by: Randolph Bourne at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (ogTiX)

416 If some foreign terrorists kill us, well, you know -- what did we do TO THEM to bring this on ourselves?

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (KRtlO)

I'd say 'rubble bounce, but no boots' is foremost in most on the right. But the Right or MAGA is not all one thing. I do not see many doing g the first causes bs of the left after 9/11, but I will admit this is the only left influenced blog I read.*

*dig I could not resist.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson work phone at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (d2oaP)

417 Iran has the GDP of Dallas-Ft Worth.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (aD39U)

418 Too many peeps on the right, especially older peeps are still stuck in a Cold War mentality. A mentality where we need to be involved in the goings on of every 3rd world shithole on the planet to contain communism or some such.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (F9jE7)

419 There are a lot of people in Russia who are not comfortable with the China relationship. They don't trust them, and they see it as a hit to their prestige and power. They're right. The Chinese are opportunistic and only forge these relationships with people they believe are weaker or malleable.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (Uh2jt)

420 Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
----------------------------

Take the rest of the day and some Ivermection paste along with Barnhardt's routine and two aspirin.

Maybe a toddy.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (rCHWE)

421 33 I’d be ok with bombing the fuck out of all of irans oil refineries and their nuclear sites in a Black Friday event but that’s just me
Posted by: Mr pink at January 29, 2024 12:18 PM (Xxfsx)

It's not just you.

Posted by: free tibet at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (iNp3L)

422 If some foreign terrorists kill us, well, you know -- what did we do TO THEM to bring this on ourselves?

Posted by: ace

--

Granted them free movement into the country through our southern border for one.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (k1AR8)

423 "I'm not saying it's MAGA's fault, I'm saying MAGA should stop to think about what it really wants, instead of sleepwalking into a Ron Paul absolute pacifism position because some influencers are very loud on the subject."

"Rubble don't make trouble" =/= pacifism.

Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at January 29, 2024 01:09 PM (/Ce2o)

424 Met a guy who was in Iraq. He was working behind the lines on a base. They were shelled constantly, and couldn't retaliate per their commanders. They also didn't receive a Combat medal for being in combat.....since technically they weren't in combat despite being shelled every day. Reminded me of Vietnam

Posted by: jeff at January 29, 2024 01:09 PM (ZiwLX)

425 389 We lost 3 folks who are military folks… fighting on behalf of the administration"

Unbelievably bad even for KJP. Incoherent and ultimately wrong. This tells you all you need to know about their feelings regarding our military members. Let's not forget the 11 killed during the disastrously Afghanistan pull-out. Fighting on behalf of the administration?

Posted by: Cheri at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (oiNtH)

The Junta collectively believes this:

A Democrat-run Executive Branch is the State. The State is a Democrat-run Executive Branch.

Posted by: Gref at January 29, 2024 01:09 PM (5fDan)

426 417 Iran has the GDP of Dallas-Ft Worth.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (aD39U)

It’s telling that when Biden have them $6b, it was a big deal for them. Whereas $6b is cushion change for America. Iran is a pissant country.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:09 PM (F9jE7)

427 Take the rest of the day and some Ivermection paste along with Barnhardt's routine and two aspirin.

Maybe a toddy.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 29, 2024 01:08 PM (rCHWE)

Have some chicken broth or beef broth if you have it

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:09 PM (n2vyf)

428 We used to mock this position before and especially after 9/11, now many of us are embracing it. If some foreign terrorists kill us, well, you know -- what did we do TO THEM to bring this on ourselves?

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (KRtlO)

I can't speak for others, but I probably come across as 'on the border' of the New Isolationists. For me? Its all about go hard, or go home. Total War, or stay out of it.

And for Total War, you need to have a public debate about said war, not a very few people able to invade foreign nations JUST LIKE THE CONSTITUTION SAID.

We have bankrupted ourselves by trying to Police the entire world, and NOT surprisingly, the world resents our Policing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 29, 2024 01:09 PM (xaFKb)

429 402 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (n+4am)

Now the 101st Airborne has stripped ~ 1/3 its airlift...

they have dune buggies with the blackhawk troop transport layout for passengers for "battle taxis."

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 01:10 PM (X0I7i)

430 haley bloviating on fox. Had to put music on to drown her out. Cannot get my hubby to stop watching fox.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 29, 2024 01:10 PM (2NHgQ)

431 "If some foreign terrorists kill us, well, you know -- what did we do TO THEM to bring this on ourselves?

Posted by: ace"

Not kill enough of them.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 01:10 PM (Uh2jt)

432 391 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

It might be malaria...

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:05 PM (lpPTQ)

It might be a tumor.

Posted by: Kid we all laughed at but should likely worry about at January 29, 2024 01:10 PM (KbCG3)

433 what did we do TO THEM to bring this on ourselves?

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (KRtlO)

Left the border wide open for them to enter, which is sort of what happened on 9/11? Crazy isolationist talk, I know.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 29, 2024 01:10 PM (KSNKu)

434 >>Cannot get my hubby to stop watching fox.

Try lingerie.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 01:10 PM (mdhFC)

435 418 Too many peeps on the right, especially older peeps are still stuck in a Cold War mentality. A mentality where we need to be involved in the goings on of every 3rd world shithole on the planet to contain communism or some such.
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Do you have any idea how many rice bowls are filled by endless war?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 01:11 PM (pZ64F)

436 So the military swears an oath of fealty to this administration and not an oath to support and defend the Constitution?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 29, 2024 01:11 PM (i3Uyc)

437 I don't want another Afghanistan/ Iraq...With this group I fear it would turn out worse.

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:11 PM (n2vyf)

438 Sven

But do the drones have the battery life to get to Tehran?

How about just a few SLCMs aimed at infrastructure needed to keep Tehran a functioning city?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (lpPTQ)

439 We have a lot in common with the Russian people and the fact the people running out foreign policy have destroyed our relationship for their politics is beyond understanding.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (Uh2jt)

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Some morons here have suspected & suggested that it was a result of Putin shutting down child adoption sex trafficking & slavery in Russia AND Ukraine.

[I've not researched issue, but "it tracks" with everything we now know about the Deep State and the open southern border.]

Posted by: ShainS -- Civil War 2: 10th Amendment Revolution Boogaloo at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (89+do)

440 Maybe a toddy.
Posted by: Braenyard

Whenever I had a bad cold when I was younger, that was a sign for me to head to a bar.

Not that I needed such a sign...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (9yWhg)

441 >>>Too many peeps on the right, especially older peeps are still stuck in a Cold War mentality. A mentality where we need to be involved in the goings on of every 3rd world shithole on the planet to contain communism or some such.

If Iran bombs our bases, are we "involved" then? Should we accept the attack without reprisal? Just pack up the base and bug out, what?

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (KRtlO)

442 I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

It could be me.

Posted by: Lupus at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (aD39U)

443 garrett. I'm 68 and have developed the Polish pudding bag physique. I'm not sure that would work. I did laugh at your suggestion, so thanks for that.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (2NHgQ)

444 So, I jumped in the shower after the chills set in, getting the water as hot as I could take it for 10 minutes. The chills are gone, but they could come back.

Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

Last time that happened to me, I took a hydroxychloroquine tablet. Fever ended.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (tkR6S)

445 I bought into all the propaganda in the 2000s. Fight them there so they don’t fight us here. They hate our freedom. All of it. And I hate myself for being so naive. Which is why I’m determined to not fall for it again and do all I can to speak out and call out the bullshit the same govt entities are once again spewing.

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (F9jE7)

446 I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

Who has called for pacifism? I'm one of the neo-isolationists, and I don't recall hearing a plea for Amish foreign policy.

I'm fine with retaliating for killed US servicemen. That question is separable from whether they should have been there as a matter of policy. I want out of NATO, for example, but I'd still kill anyone who harmed our servicemen in Europe.

But why would anyone trust an administration that is in bed with Iran and more concerned about DEI and LGBTQ stuff than military preparedness to mount an effective military response? Presumably, that out to factor into conservative decision-making. I'm not for throwing away lives pointlessly in half-hearted, feckless reprisal efforts.

Posted by: Does anyone have faith in Biden to respond appropriately? at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (L81HX)

447 All You Can eat Carne Asada
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 29, 2024 12:52 PM

I thought they called that area of the anatomy the "breakfast taco"?

Posted by: Dr. Jill at January 29, 2024 01:13 PM (a3Q+t)

448 Some morons here have suspected & suggested that it was a result of Putin shutting down child adoption sex trafficking & slavery in Russia AND Ukraine.

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The left LOVED Russia right up until they said "no, your gay men can't adopt our little boys any longer."

After that? They literally began trying to start nuclear war with them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:13 PM (k1AR8)

449 438 Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (lpPTQ)

Drones with conventional warheads are a different matter in the "nuclear brinksmanship game" than SLBMs.

It does not matter to me mind you, but the American left and the Soviets er "Russians and Chinese" BIRM get bothered.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 01:13 PM (X0I7i)

450 440 Maybe a toddy.
Posted by: Braenyard

Whenever I had a bad cold when I was younger, that was a sign for me to head to a bar.

Not that I needed such a sign..
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I'd recommend a quart of Hot and Sour Soup followed by Bourbon.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 01:13 PM (pZ64F)

451 So the military swears an oath of fealty to this administration and not an oath to support and defend the Constitution?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 29, 2024 01:11 PM (i3Uyc)

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Everything within the Junta. Nothing outside the Junta. Nothing against the Junta.

Posted by: ShainS -- Civil War 2: 10th Amendment Revolution Boogaloo at January 29, 2024 01:14 PM (89+do)

452 The average American has more to fear of the sociopathic gentry that rules the DotFed than those that rule the supreme council in persia. I will happily support another sandbox adventure right after we cure the first part.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 29, 2024 01:14 PM (IG4Id)

453 My bad.

I assumed you were 29.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 01:14 PM (mdhFC)

454 If some foreign terrorists kill us, well, you know -- what did we do TO THEM to bring this on ourselves?

After 9/11 the left was in shock. Not because the US was attacked but because a blue area was attacked. Michael Moore famously opined the jihadis should have targeted a state that voted for Shrub...

The jihadis scared them even that the left got on board with the WoT. Before David Brooks wanted to suck Obama's Chambers of Commerce...uh...admired his pants crease... Maureen Dodd wanted to play hide the military budget with Donald Rumsfeld.

Scared them until...2004 or so when the left then decided to make friends with the jihadis again...

If there is a terror attack from across our currently open board in a red area the FNM/left will argue it is well deserved. If it is a big one in a blue area they'll argue to expel/kill jihadis in mass.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 01:14 PM (ibTVg)

455
Some morons here have suspected & suggested that it was a result of Putin shutting down child adoption sex trafficking & slavery in Russia AND Ukraine.

Sort of on that topic. I watched Sound of Freedom last night... Made me cry. And the open border is making thousands of children victims thanks to Biden

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:14 PM (n2vyf)

456 If Iran bombs our bases, are we "involved" then? Should we accept the attack without reprisal? Just pack up the base and bug out, what?
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (KRtlO)

Why do we have that base there to begin with is a better question,

Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:14 PM (F9jE7)

457 Whenever I had a bad cold when I was younger, that was a sign for me to head to a bar.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (9yWhg)

Typhoid Mary

Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (AwYPR)

458 Every potential military deployment abroad has to be judged on its merits. There is no "one-size-fits-all" rule for going to war with another country short of invasion.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (9yWhg)

459 The Jordan drone attack was successful because of US military errors.

Posted by: Randolph Bourne at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (ogTiX)

460 441 If Iran bombs our bases, are we "involved" then? Should we accept the attack without reprisal? Just pack up the base and bug out, what?
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (KRtlO)

It's a "Shit or Get off the Pot" thing.

Either wipe them off the map, or don't send soldiers to die under rules of engagement that doesn't allow them to kill anyone.

Posted by: XTC at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (UnA8+)

461 All dildo launchers are primed and ready!!!

Now show me your war faces!!!

[entire squad drops to all fours with asses in the air]

Posted by: Admiral Levine at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (Zz86T)

462 I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.
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I'm even more isolationist/pacifist than Trump, as I wasn't so sure about the Soleimani assassination.

But I wasn't President, he was.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (krQz2)

463 441 Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (KRtlO)

Considering how Persian-centric the Ogabe gang is do you trust them not to blow a war with Iran on purpose to make them the new prestige power?

I am not sure anymore.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (X0I7i)

464 I said SLCM not SLBM

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (lpPTQ)

465 Yep, more and more convinced that isolationism might work. We have such a rich country with so many resources. I'm sure there's something we need from other countries, so we purchase those raw materials. Start manufacturing again. I'm over waging war for others, step up assholes and protect yourselves.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (2NHgQ)

466 >>>Who has called for pacifism? I'm one of the neo-isolationists, and I don't recall hearing a plea for Amish foreign policy.

um, no one said it, except, you know, Tucker Carlson, who thinks that supporting Israel brings us unbearably close to war, and who believes that the conflict with Iran is engineered by "interests" who want war with our good frenz in Iran.

I'm putting up a new post. I'm not going to argue with people who repeatedly refuse to read the words I say, or who just ignore those words so they can attempt to steamroll me with some bullshit rhetorical nonsnese.

How many times can you ask "WHO'S SAYING THAT?" and ignore that Tucker Carlson is saying it? And that Richard Grennell blames the attacks on Joe Biden's "warmongering," as if Biden baited Iran into the attacks with his belligerent actions?

If Biden is "too anti-Iran' for the neo isolationists, then literally, there is nothing IRan can do which would warrant a military response.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (KRtlO)

467 It has been reported that the enemy sent their drone to attack us as we were recovering our own drone and therefore our air defenses were deactivated.

Sounds like someone was watching our procedures. Complacency and routine in procedures can get you killed in a war zone. Signals intelligence once again is most important.

Posted by: Acher at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (GI94y)

468 Tucker who? Oh. the dude on youtube.

I feel shame I waded into this. I know better, but took the bait.

Posted by: DOYLE at January 29, 2024 01:16 PM (Z8Yh2)

469 The National File on Monday posted the contents of Ashley Biden’s diary.

The website crashed.

Posted by: SMOD at January 29, 2024 01:16 PM (RHGPo)

470 This ( Barky 3.0) administration loves Iran, they will not ever go to war against them.

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2024 01:16 PM (fwDg9)

471 Some morons here have suspected & suggested that it was a result of Putin shutting down child adoption sex trafficking & slavery in Russia AND Ukraine.

The first tank the Germans sent to the Ukes was painted bright pink and covered in gay flags.

If you go to leftwing forums they hate Vlad more for opposing "gay rights" then anything he has done in Ukraine or to his domestic political opposition.

Big Gay is one of the motivators for this war to continue.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2024 01:16 PM (ibTVg)

472 A war with Iran would endure a Biden reelection.
Maybe even Ace would bite for him

Posted by: Paul banned at January 29, 2024 01:16 PM (jL0DI)

473 >> literally, there is nothing IRan can do which would warrant a military response.

Finally you are coming around to our side.

Posted by: John Kerry at January 29, 2024 01:16 PM (mdhFC)

474 I'd recommend a quart of Hot and Sour Soup followed by Bourbon.
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 01:13 PM (pZ64F)

Endorsed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 29, 2024 01:17 PM (xcxpd)

475 Isolationism is doctrine for me. If the war ain't on our soil, I don't care to hear anything about it. The US is incapable of fighting a foreign war to a satisfactory conclusion of any kind. Our inevitable, generational defeats only serve to weaken and humiliate us, strengthen the victors, and embolden new enemies. No more of this. This is horseshit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 29, 2024 01:17 PM (0FoWg)

476 The first tank the Germans sent to the Ukes was painted bright pink and covered in gay flags.

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Dang

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:17 PM (k1AR8)

477 Spotted a headline that indicates a disruption in the force:

"China Evergrande Ordered to Liquidate. ‘Enough Is Enough,’ Court Says."

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at January 29, 2024 01:17 PM (/HDaX)

478 A war with Iran would endure a Biden reelection.
Maybe even Ace would bite for him
Posted by: Paul banned at January 29, 2024 01:16 PM (jL0DI)

You literally know nothing, Kurt.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2024 01:17 PM (aD39U)

479 Posted by: Does anyone have faith in Biden to respond appropriately? at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (L81HX)

Yup, the question becomes, why were they there? Why did we have a semi permanent presence in Jordan? A UN Member State.

UN Treaty says we can't invade Jordan. UN Treaty WAS ratified by the Senate, which therefore has the power of US Law per the Constitution.

So these Men were killed during an illegal operation. Their COMMANDERS, all the way up, are complicit in those deaths.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 29, 2024 01:17 PM (xaFKb)

480 464 Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:15 PM (lpPTQ)

Eh even an SLCM is "wahhh" but I get you.

The drones can do some amazing things, even more amazing when you right them off and just crash them into things.

The Kettering Aerial Torpedo finally made good.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (X0I7i)

481 Kyle was a pacifist until he shot three guys, killing two. He's back to being a pacifist again.

Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (ZGGD+)

482 If Iran bombs our bases, are we "involved" then? Should we accept the attack without reprisal? Just pack up the base and bug out, what?
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:12 PM (KRtlO)
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My first instinct was: find out where it came from and bomb the fuck out of it.

And then I thought of civilian casualties, and thought maybe we go the fliers route--but that's the thing about warfare that we have given them money to modernize, any alert for the citizens can clear out is an alert to the people who are your target.

I think it's a legitimate question of whether we should be in Jordan, even though I probably fall on the "Yes" side.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (krQz2)

483 >>I'd recommend a quart of Hot and Sour Soup followed by Bourbon.

Wor Wanton, Tea and Rock and Rye.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (mdhFC)

484 The first tank the Germans sent to the Ukes was painted bright pink and covered in gay flags.

Tell me it had Hello Kitty on it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (lpPTQ)

485 many people here are expressing the "Jacksonian" position where we are slow to war but when we go, we go full force and without pity.

BUT THAT IS NOT THE POSITION OF THE NEO-ISOLATIONISTS. They are no war, no retaliatory strikes, in any circumstances, except direct attack/invasion on the mainland.
Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:47 PM (KRtlO)

I would say, then, that you have your answer. While there may be an absolute isolationist group, most of us aren't in it. Being outside it, we cannot accurately speculate whether they mean what they're saying or not.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (GYIa4)

486 Anyway, I blame the Air Force.

*ducks*

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (Uh2jt)

487 Posted by: Spiff The Spaceman at January 29, 2024 12:51 PM (evaxF)

+++++

Thank you for your input and your service. And spot on.

Posted by: washrivergal at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (7YG60)

488 Kyle was a pacifist until he shot three guys, killing two. He's back to being a pacifist again.
Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (ZGGD+)
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Many a murderer has lived a "mostly peaceful" life.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (krQz2)

489 The Kettering Aerial Torpedo finally made good.

Yeah people forget the US built the first cruise missile. In World War I.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:19 PM (lpPTQ)

490 Anyway, I blame the Air Force.

*ducks*

The AF retired all its ducks long ago.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2024 01:19 PM (CsUN+)

491 Joe's not gonna do anything that hurts his re-election....

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:19 PM (n2vyf)

492 The first tank the Germans sent to the Ukes was painted bright pink and covered in gay flags.

Tell me it had Hello Kitty on it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (lpPTQ)

Unclear. But the Hugo Boss uniforms were to die for!!!

Posted by: Acher at January 29, 2024 01:20 PM (GI94y)

493 I can't wait for Haley to drop out so I don't have to listen to her anymore.

Jeez Nimrod, take a breath

Posted by: kactus at January 29, 2024 01:20 PM (rvLa4)

494 Sgt. York was a pacifist also.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:20 PM (lpPTQ)

495 Does hot iron take care of chills?

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:06 PM (krQz2)

No. But bourbon does!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2024 01:20 PM (gSZYf)

496 A good hot and sour soup. With the crunchies.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 29, 2024 01:20 PM (R4t5M)

497 I would say, then, that you have your answer. While there may be an absolute isolationist group, most of us aren't in it. Being outside it, we cannot accurately speculate whether they mean what they're saying or not.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (GYIa4)
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Good point.

And in the end, you just have to hope that if it's bad enough of a position, it might not have too many adherents in it's purest form.

Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:20 PM (krQz2)

498 489 Posted by: Anna Puma at January 29, 2024 01:19 PM (lpPTQ)

You also do not lower your EW screens near airfields if you are not planning on bringing them back.

No there are a lot of good reasons to go with drone swarm doctrine.

Posted by: sven at January 29, 2024 01:21 PM (X0I7i)

499 Joe's not gonna do anything that hurts his re-election....

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I'm hard pressed to think of anything that could.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:21 PM (k1AR8)

500 Despite the sarcasm, Mr. O' Spades, Iran is our friend.

Posted by: ValJar at January 29, 2024 01:21 PM (a3Q+t)

501 um, no one said it, except, you know, Tucker Carlson, who thinks that supporting Israel brings us unbearably close to war, and who believes that the conflict with Iran is engineered by "interests" who want war with our good frenz in Iran.

I'm putting up a new post. I'm not going to argue with people who repeatedly refuse to read the words I say, or who just ignore those words so they can attempt to steamroll me with some bullshit rhetorical nonsnese

Your post makes one mention of Tucker Carlson, Here's what you said:

I know Tucker Carlson is now claiming that unspecified "interests" in the US want a war with Iran that no one else does and will not stop until they get it.

So you didn't write the words you allege I did not read.

Posted by: Does anyone have faith in Biden to respond appropriately? at January 29, 2024 01:21 PM (L81HX)

502 also like six or more people are calling for full blown isolationism in this thread. So when you say "Who is calling for that," search for montec, "ace is a fan of McCain," and others.

This reminds me of Biden regulating gas stoves: Oh, no one wants to regulate your gas stoves (except for all of these people who want to regulate your gas stoves).

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 01:21 PM (KRtlO)

503 481 Kyle was a pacifist until he shot three guys, killing two. He's back to being a pacifist again.
Posted by: nckate
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Helluva point and absolutely correct.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2024 01:21 PM (ZcPYF)

504 Isolationism is not possible in today's world. One way or the other you are going to run into people who will try to disrupt the normal course of business. Just to let them "play through" is not an option, a chi dai il dito, si prende anche il braccio, or as we say give them an inch and they'll take a mile. And then some.

Posted by: runner at January 29, 2024 01:22 PM (V13WU)

505 We can't fight. fight.. The World Court will be after Us !

Posted by: It's me donna at January 29, 2024 01:22 PM (n2vyf)

506 Hong Kong has a Borsht recipe that is moar like a spicy beef stew soup. Its quite good and works wonders on colds. Good Eats.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 01:22 PM (pZ64F)

507 haley bloviating on fox. Had to put music on to drown her out. Cannot get my hubby to stop watching fox.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine

The same Haley that said that she trusts the jury that gave the $83m verdict against Trump re: Carroll. Bush, Hillary, Obama, Cheney are proud of her I'm sure.

Posted by: Cheri at January 29, 2024 01:22 PM (oiNtH)

508 Nood

Posted by: nckate at January 29, 2024 01:23 PM (ZGGD+)

509 Nude Something Something

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2024 01:23 PM (aD39U)

510 493 I can't wait for Haley to drop out so I don't have to listen to her anymore.

Jeez Nimrod, take a breath
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Haley dropping out means moar Taylor Swift.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 29, 2024 01:24 PM (pZ64F)

511 TJM, if you're still around the store bought hot and sour soup packs are pretty darn passable. Look in the oriental section (maybe the soup section near the powdered stuff) for a yellow pack. I don't remember the brand.

Boil it, stir, pour an egg in while stirring. Good to have on hand.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:24 PM (k1AR8)

512 BabylonBee: Biden Cleverly Distracts From Civil War By Starting World War

Posted by: SMOD at January 29, 2024 01:24 PM (RHGPo)

513 378 The US could put word out don’t fuck with us or you’ll find out. And nobody would fuck with us. Instead the word is fuck with us and you’ll get a harshly worded letter in response.
Posted by: Montec at January 29, 2024 01:04 PM (F9jE7)

The world needs to see the USA demonstrate what happens when they f*** around. The "find out" phase needs to be epic. Sadly, we don't teach our military to win any more. We hamstring ourselves with impossible ROE. We've become delusional in thinking that war can be sanitized, tidy, and neat, Precision guided everything so nobody gets hurt.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 29, 2024 01:24 PM (N39Ws)

514 497 I would say, then, that you have your answer. While there may be an absolute isolationist group, most of us aren't in it. Being outside it, we cannot accurately speculate whether they mean what they're saying or not.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 29, 2024 01:18 PM (GYIa4)
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Good point.

And in the end, you just have to hope that if it's bad enough of a position, it might not have too many adherents in it's purest form.
Posted by: Axeman at January 29, 2024 01:20 PM (krQz2)

One tactic I had to learn the hard way, was not to OPEN an argument or negotiation with the position I would actually like to arrive at... I had to go to almost stupid extremes, so the end result could be somewhere in the middle.

I welcome an actual debate on use of the Military between two diametrically opposed views, because right now I think we are WAY overextended. The Every War is a good War World Police crap is bankrupting us, and making enemies for us.

IMO we need to pull back. We need to find a balance.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 29, 2024 01:24 PM (xaFKb)

515 Everyone is a pacifist, until they get shot at. Although apparently to some in this thread, Tucker and COL MaGregor, it's not good enough until the enemy is on Pismo Beach.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2024 01:24 PM (Uh2jt)

516 Our financial system, our energy/tech infrastructure, nearly the whole economy cannot abide pacifism. Or even just a reactionary military stance. There has to be a constant level of fear among all other nations that if you mess with that, even a little, the penalty is annihilation.

That's just the way it is.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 29, 2024 01:24 PM (Y6IkP)

517 Kyle was a pacifist until he shot three guys, killing two. He's back to being a pacifist again.
Posted by: nckate
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Helluva point and absolutely correct.
Posted by: whig

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Threadwinner. Well done.

Posted by: Moron Robbie stands in support of afro-chemistry, afro-economics, and afro-engineering at January 29, 2024 01:24 PM (k1AR8)

518 until the enemy is on Pismo Beach

They always take a wrong turn there.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 29, 2024 01:25 PM (9yWhg)

519 @407 et al, always cracked me up that Zimmerman sent the telegram over a British run cable. The Brits held it for just right time

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 29, 2024 01:25 PM (hB1mF)

520 Should I just bite the bullet and take the rest of the day off from work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 29, 2024 01:03 PM

Noone have suggested he take the rest of the day, for a critical rewatching of Prometheus?

It's like I don't even know you people anymore.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2024 01:26 PM (a3Q+t)

521 What do we call that ?

A day ending in "Y" ?

Posted by: Next2Nothing at January 29, 2024 01:27 PM (tA1/w)

522 When Trump bombed that Iranian general, that seemed to work out pretty well. Let's do more of that. So let's retaliate, but let's do it in a way that both minimizes exposure of additional American lives and also with sufficient and immediate force that it'll make the whoever is left in the chain of command that we didn't kill the first go around isn't keen on getting his 72 virgins just yet.

If that's not an option, then fine. I'm an isolationist. But that's not because I think isolationism is the best policy, but because you've rejected my preferred policy proposal.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 29, 2024 01:28 PM (fKIdX)

523 190 that Trump impersonator might be the guy who shows up on Gutfeld's show occasionally. He's fantastic. Can't remember his name though, a little guy like Gutfeld however.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 29, 2024 01:29 PM (DBrN4)

524 Bunker busting bombs? As in Afghanistan?

How's it going to work I wonder as I read, "Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip" (Wikipedia). (Yes, I understand it as not an authoritive source.)

I'm more apt to agree with, 346 "I want to go on record as saying we should've gone over the MOMENT American hostages were announced and started killing the **** out of everyone and everything until they were released or their bodies were released." Posted by: Moron Robbie

Worked in military medical centers (just as a non-medical person) and have seen the terrible injuries (after and during medical treatment) suffered in combat by so many. And now it seems mostly NGOs step in for a lot of the heavy lifting helping those individuals.

I want to know how the hell our shores are now to be defended from the inside? Guess deplorables get to be back in style if/when the time comes.

Posted by: L - Confident they're working on new 'rope-a-dope' techniques for the Presidential election at January 29, 2024 01:29 PM (GshMh)

525
Yep, more and more convinced that isolationism might work. We have such a rich country with so many resources. I'm sure there's something we need from other countries, so we purchase those raw materials. Start manufacturing again. I'm over waging war for others, step up assholes and protect yourselves.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine

We'll have to do away with all the greenie/DEI crap for that to work.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 29, 2024 01:29 PM (63Dwl)

526 Kyle was a pacifist until he shot three guys, killing two. He's back to being a pacifist again.
Posted by: nckate
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Helluva point and absolutely correct.
Posted by: whig

I guess it is if you like cheap rhetorical points.

But if Kyle is really supposed to be an appropriate analogy, it seems reasonable enough to ask whether he should have ever left his home to be in another state in the first place. He could have saved himself a lot of trouble - including, at the hands of the public officials of the place he went to defend - if he'd have stayed at home.

Posted by: But making sensible cost/benefit decisions is now pacifism apparently at January 29, 2024 01:34 PM (L81HX)

527 Right. Biden is fucking things up right and left, but magically, somehow, this is a MAGA problem

FUCK OFF

Posted by: deadrody at January 29, 2024 01:34 PM (v3dj8)

528 Did Iran kill our soldiers in Jordan? Well then we shouldn't have had soldiers in Jordan. We were provoking Iran by having them there. It's really due to our provocations that they attacked us.

and this is what a LOT of MAGA people are saying now.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2024 12:37 PM (KRtlO)
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Are they ? Sorry, I'm not taking your word for it, frankly. I'm not sure we should have soldiers in Jordan, though I wouldn't say that's "provoking" Iran. Iran is provoked by our existence and emboldened by idiots like Biden, Obama, and Valerie Jarrett putting Iran's interests ahead of Americans.

The "MAGA" policy would be to elect someone the fuck besides Biden. How about that ?

Or are we pretending today that we're into a deep, thoughtful debate on the topic or some such bullshit ?

Posted by: deadrody at January 29, 2024 01:41 PM (v3dj8)

529 And I gotta say, you're embrace of "MAGA" just needs the "extremist" modifier and you'd sound just like Biden. If that's what you're going for, good for you, I guess.

Posted by: deadrody at January 29, 2024 01:42 PM (v3dj8)

530 I think this "pacifism" stuff is happening because a lot of ex-fans of Ron Paul got involved with the MAGA movement when Trump made "not getting us into a war" as one of the planks of his foreign policy.

The problem is that even in a direct attack by Iran against US shipping in the Red Sea, a lot of the Ron Paul guys are going to be saying things like "THE CIA ORDERED IRAN TO ATTACK THE US SO THE US CAN START ANOTHER WAR AS PART OF THE DEEP STATE PLOT."

Unfortunately, this kind of talk has started to seep into mainstream Republican thought. I have little doubt that if Trump is actually elected he won't let stuff like this stand, but until then we get to listen to ex-Ronulans postulate that China attacking Taiwan or Iran attacking US shipping is actually a deep state plot (despite the fact that it humiliates Biden and makes him look weak).

Posted by: Doomberg at January 29, 2024 01:43 PM (flevC)

531 462 I keep asking this: Are we now officially a pacifist party? We seem to have slouched into that position without much debate.

Let's take over Code Pink and park Cindi Sheehan outside Joey's beachfront garage in Deleware.

Posted by: Auspex at January 29, 2024 01:44 PM (j4U/Z)

532 I know this thread has been willowed, but let me just say that I think Ace is correct in identifying these two seemingly contradictory impulses. However, I submit to you that the traditional, America First policy that is consistent with these impulses is as follows:

We don't want to be pulled into bullshit conflicts in which we have very little real national interest, but if we DO decide to go to war, we want to make the rubble bounce.

This was the view of the majority of the body politic from the Civil War through WW2, and again from the end of Vietnam through the First Gulf War. We would do well to rediscover it.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at January 29, 2024 01:48 PM (5C4od)

533 The other issue, like with everything else, is a catastrophic loss of trust in our institutions. We trusted them on Iraq. Oops.

So when we ask "why are we in Jordan" and the Pentagon says "trust us, we need to be there," that shit don't fly anymore.

The job of the politicians is to explain to us why the Pentagon thinks we need to be there. If you can't do that because nobody believes anything you say because you are a proven liar, or you are a dementia patient who can't remember which flavor of jello you like best, let alone why we are in Jordan, well, it isn't very persuasive. And again, that is not OUR fault. It's the fault of the ruling class who has squandered our trust through their corruption and incompetence. It's up to them to earn it back, or better yet, go the fuck home and let somebody else try.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at January 29, 2024 02:01 PM (5C4od)

534 A lot of this "pacifism", as it's being called, exists because the people doing the heavy lifting in support of wars are tired of watching wars get started and then abandoned.

Much of it is really that simple.

Posted by: Harlock at January 29, 2024 02:03 PM (55KD0)

535 I recollecct that Washington (you know, the man) warning against foreign entanglements.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 29, 2024 02:04 PM (XeU6L)

536 Also, much of the skepticism about the current course that we're on is based on measurable things.

Forget the army of 1991, we don't have the military of 2003-2008.

Posted by: Harlock at January 29, 2024 02:07 PM (55KD0)

537 Suddenly it is being a pacifist to err on the side of not getting into a foreign war. Okay Ace.
How about we do some basics like stop funding our enemies and replenish our depleted arsenal, in addition to fix the recruiting issue due to DEI in the military before we go off to war? Is that being a pacifist Ace?
Funny Ace accusing "MAGA" (whatever that means) of inconsistency. This is basically just more whining about DeSantis losing.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at January 29, 2024 02:46 PM (xaNfJ)

538 Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is actively engaged in discussions taking place at the White House about how to respond.
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Can he pee on his own yet?

Posted by: wth at January 29, 2024 03:24 PM (v0R5T)

539 Time to pull out of the UN and make them solve their own Problems and Iran be set up as Terrorists sponsoring Nations in the UN

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 29, 2024 04:13 PM (wGqjj)

540 So now we have troops in Jordan, too. I wonder when our government was going to tell us.

Posted by: timactual at January 29, 2024 04:53 PM (WY0Ia)

541 First, there's the hardcore pacifist/isolationist impulse, which has hardened from a mere guidance to an absolute doctrine.

There there's the Make the Rubble Bounce contingent.

There's absolutely no need to make a distinction, Ace. A great many of us advocate for only defending America's direct interests and think that we should let most of the rest of the world fare for itself.

We also simultaneously believe that the moment America is attacked (or even our vital strategic interests - like shipping us our toys) we should go Total War on our enemy and ensure that 4 generations from now, those people are still telling their grandkids, "You do NOT want to f*** with the United States of America! That one patch out by the barns still glows because we did that before." Because then we can live in peace and not get involved in wars we shouldn't be involved in.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2024 08:22 PM (32nmx)

542 You know why the mussies don't mess with Russia. Because if one Russian was killed a thousand jihaddies and their entire families would meet Allah in hell. And the goat lovers know this.

On the other hand they know Biden-Obama are about as terrifying as Elmer Fuud.

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