NBC "News" Poll of Iowa Caucusgoers: Nearly Half of Nikki Haley's Supporters Will Vote for Joe Biden in General Election<br>And My Last Words On Trump (For a While)

NBC "News" Poll of Iowa Caucusgoers: Nearly Half of Nikki Haley's Supporters Will Vote for Joe Biden in General Election
And My Last Words On Trump (For a While)

Nikki Haley is a Deep State/Democrat plant?!! No way, dude!

Most likely Republican Iowa caucusgoers say they'll vote for former President Donald Trump in the general election if he's the GOP nominee, regardless of the candidate they're supporting on caucus night.
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That is, except supporters of former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, with nearly half of them -- 43% -- saying they'd vote for Democratic President Joe Biden over Trump.

Bill Kristol urged his fellow Democrats to vote for Haley -- and continue voting for Haley in the primaries, throughout "the winter and spring."

Note the Deep Staters and Democrats do not urge Republicans to vote for DeSantis to stop Trump. They view DeSantis as even worse -- Trump's policies being advanced by a guy who actually knows what the fuck he's doing.

This puts a lie to the claim of NeverTrumpers that they only oppose Trump due to his characterological and moral defects. They could have supported a man without such defects; instead, they always support liberal fake Republican. Proving that their opposition to Trump is actually largely just based on a rejection of Trump's policies.

But they don't want to admit that, because they're too busy trying to convince Republicans to vote for Democrats. They can't admit their real objection to Trump is that he's too conservative for them.

This also puts the lie to anyone who claims, like Sponge does, that anyone who champions DeSantis over Trump does so only because they're "liberal Democrats" who "support the Deep State" and whatever bullshit cope Sponge is making up in his ignorant, cult-member head.

No, some people, like me, have always been strong, enthusiastic supporters of the Trump ideology -- or at least what Trump claims his ideology is -- but have decided that Trump is simply too detested a figure, and too incompetent at persuading the unpersuaded or working the bureaucracy, to ever actually advance the Trump ideology.

You guys know that of the 1800 mile long Mexican border, Trump built a mere fifty miles of the much-heralded fence that Mexico is, one day, in theory, going to pay for? And he also "repaired" and even "fortified" another 200 miles.

So out of a 1800 mile long border, he, at his most charitable estimation, built/repaired 250 miles.

This is not "success," guys.

I know, I know -- "The Democrats opposed him!" Yes, of course they did. In every contest, the opposing team, get this, opposes you.

Just as Republicans are (weakly) opposing Biden.

But the idea that the other team was opposing you is not an excuse for failure. Real leaders find a way to win, despite the opposition.

On issue after issue, Trump makes a declaration on Twitter that he forgets about five minutes later to go fucking golfing and never checks up to see if his subordinates are actually advancing his (claimed) goals.

For some of us: We've had enough failure. We were told "We're going to have so much winning, we'll be tired of all the winning."

Instead, we've had failure after failure after electoral loss and electoral loss, and we've decided: Enough. Fucking enough. We've had so much losing, we are tired of all the losing.

So that's the real reason that former Trump supporters are now former Trump supporters.

Or, you know, you can just lie and claim that our objection to Trump's many failures is just that we're "Trump haters" and "secret Democrats" or "globalists" or whatever small-brained retards like Sponge say.

Is no one allowed to every point out the guy sure loses a lot? Is that just some kind of religious anathema now?

So anyway, Trump won. And this will be cause for great celebrations -- which overlook the fact that Trump's ability to win a majority of the minority of Republican primary voters has not been in much doubt.

The real question -- and I don't even think it's a question -- is whether he can win in a general election, not just a primary in which his supporters form a majority.

I say he can't, based on 2018, 2020, and 2022, with most of the most-Trump-associated candidates losing very winnable races due to the public's antipathy towards Trump.

Some people seem to believe in the Underpants Gnomes' plan for Trump's sudden rise to popularity:

1. Trump wins primaries (again)

2. ???

3. The public suddenly decides it likes Trump and his negatives fall from 53% to 35%, somehow

If there's a plan for Step 2, there, please clue me in. Because as far as I can see, this whole play relies entirely on prayers and hopes.

But I guess we've collectively chosen to roll the dice on whether a 78-year-old man who is also declining mentally and has the second-worst approval numbers in presidential history can finally win a second election.

I think people have a bad case of "Beautiful Loser" syndrome -- they want to lose, so that the world unmasks itself and shows that it's not worthy of them. The GOPe used to have this; I think there's a swath of the party that has it now. The world can either finally agree with you or else it will condemn itself as unworthy, and some are just fine with either outcome.

I'm not. I'm not okay with the world just proving it's just as rotten as I always expected. I want to win. I think we absolutely need to win, as in our fucking lives depend on it, and we cannot fuck around with thrice-loser waiting for him to finally get his shit together at age 78.

I do not believe America will survive a loss in 2024.

Say goodbye to the Supreme Court for just a start. And after that -- it all goes.

But the party seems to have made its choice, and I will not stand in your way. I think you've chosen failure, loss, and a catastrophic end to this country, but whatever, I guess I'm just a pro-liberal globalist who is Gay like Ron DeSanctimonious.

And I only oppose Trump because I'm a "hater," and not for any of the clear reasons I have consistently expressed. You can ignore everything I say just because I'm a "hater" and all my thoughts are tainted and twisted by this "hate."

Good luck.

So that's my piece. I will not rub it in your face, but I will tell you I believe you have chosen catastrophically, and even though you're probably saying right now "If we lose in 2024, it's no big deal anyway, because the left was in control anyway," I absolutely, 100% guarantee you you will think it's a big deal after the loss.

Those are my last words for a while. You can reject them as you like, but if you attempt to bully me and use SJW tactics to shut up dissenters by personally attacking me for my opinion, I will fucking ban you and I will bring my own SJW intimidation tactics to you. Fair is fair.

Now, you can say I'm butthurt and assmad, and there's some truth to that. But only some. Because my real problem is this: We just gave away the White House from 2025 to 2029.

Meanhwhile, Rachel Maddow and CNN are having normal ones.

MSNBC host @maddow says NBC and other mainstream news networks have decided not to show Trump’s victory speech. CNN had him on briefly but then cut away and replaced him with @jaketapper who says “caucus goers believe the lie.” pic.twitter.com/dnUHEB1wqH
— Michael Shellenberger (@shellenberger) January 16, 2024

Obama strategist @davidaxelrod recognizes that Trump was disciplined and strategic.

Axelrod and Obama have both been telling and leaking their concerns about Biden to the media. pic.twitter.com/txWIY4Ojbo
— Michael Shellenberger (@shellenberger) January 16, 2024

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 04:09 PM

Comments

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1 Does corpulent Cap'n Bill have an audience?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:09 PM (yyfQG)

2 Huh. I was first.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:10 PM (yyfQG)

3 And second

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:10 PM (yyfQG)

4 Trump rocks! Party on, dudes!

Posted by: chance99 at January 16, 2024 04:10 PM (qx/bC)

5 I know that Georgia is in the Caucasus?

But Iowa?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:12 PM (9yWhg)

6 Does corpulent Cap'n Bill have an audience?
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:09 PM (yyfQG)

Door Dash loves him. Also the Toe.

Posted by: LASue at January 16, 2024 04:12 PM (llS7k)

7 Nood called

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:12 PM (yyfQG)

8 Biden/Haley Unity Ticket 2024 -- Two Grifters for the Price of One!

Posted by: ShainS at January 16, 2024 04:12 PM (mXvMQ)

9 Keep polishing that turd known as Nikki Haley, NBC.

Keep polishing.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2024 04:13 PM (515bZ)

10 3 And second

And third.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:13 PM (9yWhg)

11 The steal is going to be obvious and out in the open...again.

It doesn't matter who Republican voters nominate.

The left has crossed the Rubicon and they will not cede power. The GOPe just wants to keep its place at the table.

So, Star Trek...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:13 PM (GBKbO)

12 Trump will be the nominee if they don't murder him.

Prepare.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 16, 2024 04:13 PM (aD39U)

13 Nimrata's a democrat.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 16, 2024 04:13 PM (Rbu5d)

14 Haley playing nice incase deep state needs another dallas.

Posted by: raimondo at January 16, 2024 04:13 PM (s2fJr)

15 So, Star Trek...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

McCoy/Scotty, 3024!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (9yWhg)

16 Garbage people.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (R4t5M)

17 Well said, agree 95%.
It's not 100% as I'm not a cultist.

Posted by: Candidus at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (hB3qM)

18 And the sponge takes a wringing out.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (pohLc)

19 ace, I have never figured out how what you argue against Trump wouldn't also be an argument against Desantis. I may be slow, but then I might just not be getting the connection.

Desantis may not be as good as they say, either. It is a risk no matter what the throw is. The hardest thing to predict is the future. Personally, I have been predicting that before it all shakes down Janet Yellen will be sitting at the Resolution desk

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (D7oie)

20 Retardo!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (R4t5M)

21 13 Nimrata's a democrat.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 16, 2024 04:13 PM (Rbu5d)

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Nikki Haley is a Republican in good standing like Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, and Kevin McCarthy.

It is those who oppose the uniparty who are RINOs.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (GBKbO)

22 Haley's supporters would vote for Biden even if she was the nominee, and everyone knows it.

Posted by: CppThis at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (PZvjL)

23 Those are my last words for a while. You can reject them as you like, but if you attempt to bully me and use SJW tactics to shut up dissenters by personally attacking me for my opinion, I will fucking ban you and I will bring my own SJW intimidation tactics to you. Fair is fair.

***
Um, what???

Posted by: LASue at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (llS7k)

24 No one believes for a second this is ace’s last shot at trump. No one.

Posted by: Blutarski at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (Fwuhb)

25 The polling data you are looking at is produced by the same people who fortified the election last time.

You can't seriously believe that 2020 democrat vote totals were cast by real people.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (lTGtQ)

26 Did the Republican door hit Bill where the good Lord split him?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (yyfQG)

27 Trump, day one, is a lame duck 78 year old whom the GOP hates. You can't really expect him to accomplish much, at least domestically.

But world peace, the sole responsibility for which is given to the President, is within his grasp! Abraham Accords redux!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (TsIY/)

28 I like how they were able to call the results within an hour. No stopping counts. No waiting for days or weeks. Well done Iowa.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (MeG8a)

29 I would never be a victim of Nikki Haley's GILFy charms. I'm looking more in the MILFy side of the generational spectrum.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (J3ryZ)

30 All 12 of them - I have the sads.

And Kristol has NEVER been conservative in the least bit so he can go fork himself with a barbed wire covered pineapple filled with C4.... Again.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (Z8Mzy)

31 Nimrata will never be the first US female President.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (Rbu5d)

32 >>>11 The steal is going to be obvious and out in the open...again.

It doesn't matter who Republican voters nominate.

WRONG. There is only one (1) man the left KNOWS it can steal an election from, and get away with it.

They do not know they can steal it from a non-Trump candidate without provoking a national upheaval.

But Trump? They know they can steal it from Trump without provoking a civil war.

And we're now re-nominating that man, who could do nothing about the last steal.

And we'll just tell each other "well it didn't matter anyway" as we blow the next election.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:16 PM (KRtlO)

33 “caucus goers believe the lie.”

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I don't believe Republican caucus goers believe that Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation.

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 16, 2024 04:16 PM (i7Q7S)

34 I'm voting for whoever the R nominee is as long as they aren't Haley or Christie. I do wish DeSantis ran a better campaign than he has, but if either he or Trump are the nominee I'm voting for them.

Posted by: arminius at January 16, 2024 04:16 PM (Dpgtk)

35 28 I like how they were able to call the results within an hour. No stopping counts. No waiting for days or weeks. Well done Iowa.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (MeG8a)

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Caucuses are all about where people are standing in a room.

A bunch of people standing in the Trump corner, literally standing, across the state, probably made it real obvious.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:16 PM (GBKbO)

36 Also, kumbayah.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:16 PM (TsIY/)

37 there's nothing we can do now ace

the ball is rolling down the hill too fast, it's too big, I don't even think the Left is in control here

people think you can go back in time

Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 16, 2024 04:16 PM (AcWfM)

38 What has Therick been up to lately?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (yyfQG)

39 Ace, I don’t particularly disagree with anything you just said. That being said, how does ANYONE overcome the entrenched fraud mechanisms in the large Democrat-run cities? For me, I am voting for Trump as a protest to the system even though I believe there is no chance for any him or any other candidate that opposes the Uniparty machine. I can certainly understand your position though.

Posted by: Open Channel D at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (Sa0Uq)

40 Janet Yellen will be sitting at the Resolution desk

Yellen at the resolution desk would be 640x480 at best.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (2ocoG)

41 Great leaders find a way to win. That's what Trump did with the military override to start building the wall in order to get around Hawaii judges. That's also why Trump won last night despite being outspent and that famed "infrastructure" the Desantis team said they had.

People said they would commit to caucus and put it on paper. Paper! That means it's official, right?! Where's the winning? What has Desantis done about immigration? Sent some people to Cape Cod or the Hamptons one time, never again.

This is an article that needs to be read and possibly article'd here for all the Desantis fans about how off base the entire campaign was. And Ryan Girdusky hates Trump as much as Ace does.

https://thespectator.com/ politics/told-ron-desantis-campaign-2024/

Never let women run your campaign, in now way is trannies more important than immigration. Fucking duh.

Posted by: UwU_Power at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (RegV4)

42 32 WRONG. There is only one (1) man the left KNOWS it can steal an election from, and get away with it.

They do not know they can steal it from a non-Trump candidate without provoking a national upheaval.

But Trump? They know they can steal it from Trump without provoking a civil war.

And we're now re-nominating that man, who could do nothing about the last steal.

And we'll just tell each other "well it didn't matter anyway" as we blow the next election.
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:16 PM (KRtlO)

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Why would Democrats fear sending out hundreds of thousands of illegal ballots in PA again if DeSantis were the nominee? They did it in 2020 and 2022, and no one said anything. The courts were on their side.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (GBKbO)

43 Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many of those who voted for Haley in the primary were actually Democrats playing at Operation Chaos.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (CsUN+)

44 But the party seems to have made its choice, and I will not stand in your way. I think you've chosen failure, loss, and a catastrophic end to this country, but whatever, I guess I'm just a pro-liberal globalist who is Gay like Ron DeSanctimonious.

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This sounds like someone who believes that the election last time was legitimate, and the next one will be as well, which is an extremely naive view in my opinion.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (lTGtQ)

45 Remember. Stalin came out of the Caucases.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (9yWhg)

46 I'm out. See ya's later.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (BdMk6)

47 @11

>>The steal is going to be obvious and out in the open...again.

True, but as I noted, the only play is to see if Team Trump can leverage the three states he "lost" in 2020 that are controlled by ostensible Republicans, that would be VA, GA and NV, that would get him to exactly 270 ECV and the presidency.

I would give right the f**k up on PA, MI and WI, those states have bolstered their cheating systems and are off the table.

It's dicey, but that's the needle that has to be thread.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (XV/Pl)

48 Holy Cow !

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (V13WU)

49 And then there are those who look at '18, '20, and '22 and wonder why anyone actually believes this "process" is any less fake than pro wrestling.

I'd like to be wrong, but I feel as if this is a waste of time. No matter who you theoretically support.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (OUMaO)

50 In before the Trump Wars!

Wait ...

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (aD39U)

51 I like how they were able to call the results within an hour. No stopping counts. No waiting for days or weeks. Well done Iowa.

It's easy when nobody flushes a toilet.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (2ocoG)

52 Janet Yellen will be sitting at the Resolution desk

Yellen at the resolution desk would be 640x480 at best.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (2ocoG)
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She's so short, all you would see is white hair. Pretty funny idea, really.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (TsIY/)

53 people think you can go back in time
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Ace certainly did, in an earlier thread.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (9yWhg)

54 On a lighter note, it's my birthday and it seems to be time to start drinking. See you later, my Horde friends!

Posted by: LASue at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (llS7k)

55 Did the Republican door hit Bill where the good Lord split him?
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM

Well to be fair to the good Lord, he had a big target.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (SzI2j)

56 "characterological"???

Boss, you coulds stopped after the first nine. The next eight did nothing to clarify your meaning.

Posted by: creeper at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (cTCuP)

57 One click on the dial from Jonah...one small click.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (xaNfJ)

58 19 ace, I have never figured out how what you argue against Trump wouldn't also be an argument against Desantis. I may be slow, but then I might just not be getting the connection.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (D7oie)

Yeah, this is fundamentally a problem with the pro-DeSantis argument. How DeSantis would do things differently is kind of just hand-waved. Being less bombastic doesn't suddenly make the GOPe on board with limiting illegal immigration.

Our biggest problem is that a GOP legislature is not particularly supportive of right-wing goals, if not actively obstructing them.

The electability argument for proposed alternative candidates I always found dubious, and polling no longer really supports it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (eYoxG)

59 >>>5 The polling data you are looking at is produced by the same people who fortified the election last time.

Can I look at the VOTES in 2020, 2022, and 2024, or am I just buying into liberal polling narratives if I notice we keep losing on election day?

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (KRtlO)

60 OrangeManBad is 78 not 72.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (8kRtb)

61 i meant, 2018, 2020, and 2022

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (KRtlO)

62 Remember. Stalin came out of the Caucases.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (9yWhg)

yes he did !

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (V13WU)

63 Is this a joke?

You think he couldn't do it because Democrats opposed him?

FUCKING MCCONNELL AND PAUL RYAN FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL AGAINST HIM. They fought harder against him securing the border than they ever did against Democrats. They refused to fund the wall and actively fought any attempt to build it.

Getting ~250 miles secured when BOTH PARTIES were against you is actually more than could have reasonably expected, particularly because his policies outside the wall did significantly decrease the illegal flow.

McConnell has always wanted an open border, and acting like it was purely the Democrats is just bullshit.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (AjL/0)

64 She's so short, all you would see is white hair. Pretty funny idea, really.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (TsIY/)

In the chain of succession she is right before Merrick Garland

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (D7oie)

65 I know, I know -- "The Democrats opposed him!" Yes, of course they did. In every contest, the opposing team, get this, opposes you.
_________________

But also "The Republicans opposed him!" Yes, of course they did. In every contest you expect the opposing team to oppose you. You don't expect YOUR team to oppose you, too.

It'd be like being a QB and the offensive line doesn't for you, at all. Every pass you have to run for your life.

Posted by: Publius Quinctilius Varus at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (pNm1M)

66 montec, thanks, I corrected that. I saw someone lese point that out

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (KRtlO)

67 Looking forward to voting for DeSantis in the primary if he's still in by the time we have our primary . And then looking forward to voting against Biden. It's about all the proactive actions I can take within the law.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (/2Hy+)

68 True, but as I noted, the only play is to see if Team Trump can leverage the three states he "lost" in 2020 that are controlled by ostensible Republicans, that would be VA, GA and NV, that would get him to exactly 270 ECV and the presidency.

VA's possible. GA definitely isn't, it's run by, basically, Adam Kinzinger if he wasn't a theater kid.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (2ocoG)

69 I say let Trump keep running and draw all the fire.

Since they seem intent on destroying him they can lob all their ammo at him.

Maybe DeSantis will take less damage then.

Once Trump is out all the guns will be turned on him.

I doubt he will survive it.

Posted by: Just Lily at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (vivhj)

70 43 Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how many of those who voted for Haley in the primary were actually Democrats playing at Operation Chaos.

probably most of them

and it didn't work!

today honesty we should be happy about this! they really did try to put her in second!

if it had worked, oh the Narrative today!

so it failed, which is always a smile (or should be, come on guys!) and now Ron has to stay in the race. he just has to, as a buffer. she would LOVE him to drop out (or her leftist backers would).

now what I am praying for... maybe our two guys (who I think are both good guys!) here get smart and talk to each other. maybe they work something out.

Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (AcWfM)

71 can somebody give me the condensed version of whatever Ace is trying to get across?

Posted by: DanMan at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (8uzBS)

72 Sullen and unfriendly

Posted by: I can get this at home from my teenagers at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (386nB)

73 Now, you can say I'm butthurt and assmad

Paging Pete Buttigieg...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (9yWhg)

74 Insane or convinced he can be reprogram reality ?

@ericswalwell 2h
Trump got smoked last night in Iowa. Follow@SimonWDC
for details. Bottomline: more people live in my suburban hometown than the number that voted for Trump last night (just over 50k). And nearly half the voters voted against him. Show me the headlines if this happened to Biden.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (IG4Id)

75 On a lighter note, it's my birthday and it seems to be time to start drinking. See you later, my Horde friends!
Posted by: LASue at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM

Happy 29th!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (SzI2j)

76 >>>But also "The Republicans opposed him!" Yes, of course they did. In every contest you expect the opposing team to oppose you. You don't expect YOUR team to oppose you, too.

and what was he able to do about that?

This does not mean that his failures are secret successes.

Yes, he has a personality that causes people to despise him. This is not an advantage.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (KRtlO)

77 Regardless of what ace says or thinks about Trump, NO ONE--not ONE SINGLE PERSON--has provided any actual, tangible evidence that any of his competitors has a viable game plan to 1) win the primaries, 2) win the general election, 3) demolish the Deep State on Day 1, and 4) Make America Great Again.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (BpYfr)

78 In the chain of succession she is right before Merrick Garland
Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (D7oie)
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well, that took the smile right off my face.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (TsIY/)

79 Yeah, this is fundamentally a problem with the pro-DeSantis argument. How DeSantis would do things differently is kind of just hand-waved. Being less bombastic doesn't suddenly make the GOPe on board with limiting illegal immigration.

As was pointed out yesterday, if DeSantis really was the choice of the GOPe, why were they all backing Nikki?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (CsUN+)

80 It'd be like being a QB and the offensive line doesn't for you, at all. Every pass you have to run for your life.

lol yeah I saw that last night in Tampa

Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (AcWfM)

81 I like how they were able to call the results within an hour.

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yes ! very efficient !

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (V13WU)

82 They do not know they can steal it from a non-Trump candidate without provoking a national upheaval.

But Trump? They know they can steal it from Trump without provoking a civil war.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:16 PM (KRtlO)

I hadn't considered it from this angle before.

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (Sf2cq)

83 No yellow….

or brown.

Posted by: Hunter at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (NH1wh)

84 Yes, he has a personality that causes people to despise him. This is not an advantage.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (KRtlO)

I think you're wildly optimistic about the political preferences of Republican politicians.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (eYoxG)

85 Although I suppose there is value in forcing them to do it.

Making it clear to every last person with even half-open eyes what the situation truly is.

There's value to making it obvious. And to see who might actually stand with us.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (OUMaO)

86 Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (KRtlO)

Yes, looking at empirical evidence is the sign of a globalist, don'tchyaknow.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (bh2Xq)

87 Ace, I agree with your take. I am still of mind that RDS is the best option for the country. Yea, I'll vote for Trump. I don't hate him. But I don't get a good feeling about the odds with Trump.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (SzI2j)

88 I am listening to what a sis saying with an open mind. I was not a Trump supporter until he was the nominee and voted more against Hillary than for Trump. My observation when Trump became president was that he tried hard to keep his promises. That meant something to me. Also, I believe he did a good job in many ways as president. So now I am inclined to support him. but even if I didn’t, what avenue is open to me to support someone else? I am trying to figure out what it is that Ace thinks we should do as opposed to supporting Trump.

Posted by: LMD at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (BGW2E)

89 Um, what???
Posted by: LASue at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (llS7k)

I think ace is threatening to unleash the dreaded drum circle.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (di6C2)

90 Another disappointed Rob (drubbed by 30) supporter. What are the five phases of grief: anger, lashing, projecting, etc.

Even the piece was misleading, talk about bird brain and then . . . Trump.

Maybe Rob should run Florida or something . . . I heard insurance rates are going to the moon . ..

Posted by: Scoob at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (/ypIK)

91 I mean, Ron DeSantis can't cobble together a winning strategy to win a GOP Primary against, "THE MOST HATED MAN IN ELECTORAL POLITICS," but he's going to merk The Meat Puppet and his merry Junta?

Looks like someone has been painting shelves in an unventilated room again.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (XV/Pl)

92 Trump, day one, is a lame duck 78 year old whom the GOP hates. You can't really expect him to accomplish much, at least domestically.

But world peace, the sole responsibility for which is given to the President, is within his grasp! Abraham Accords redux!
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:15 PM (TsIY/)

I thought lame ducks were able to accomplish more, because they not bound by the constraint of having to placate the mob to get re-elected.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (tkR6S)

93 59 Can I look at the VOTES in 2020, 2022, and 2024, or am I just buying into liberal polling narratives if I notice we keep losing on election day?
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (KRtlO)

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In 2016, we learned that Detroit just makes up numbers for what's in a ballot box. Nothing's changed.

In 2022, PA sent out 250,000 mail in ballots illegally, and no one stopped it. They were just out there to be cured. The AG over the state who refused to prosecute that crime is not governor. In 2020, Alito told PA to follow the law, they didn't, and SCOTUS did nothing in response.

In 2022, AZ's signature verification was so bad that a federal court ruled that it was out of alignment with the law. Hobbes was able to retain her governor win, for some reason.

In the GA voter fraud cause, it's come out that 170,000 ballots were probably outright fake in the 2020 election.

The left knows there's no ceiling on the cheat anymore because the worst they get is a wristslap from the courts after the fact.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (GBKbO)

94 I find it enfuriating that Corpulent Cap'n tries to prevent himself as a man of good character.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (yyfQG)

95 19 ace, I have never figured out how what you argue against Trump wouldn't also be an argument against Desantis. I may be slow, but then I might just not be getting the connection.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (D7oie)

To me, the difference is this. Trump makes a few "controversial-according-to-the-media" announcements on Twitter, but assumes his flunkies will figure out how to do it. If it gets blocked by the courts, then he rants on Twitter more. He isn't patient enough to figure out government procedure, so he doesn't dot the i's and cross the t's on executive orders, and they get rejected in the courts.

For Desantis, he announces a "controversial-according-to-the-media" policy after making sure his right-hand men and women have done their homework. He then follows up to make sure said policy is carried out. Finally, when challenged in court, because he and his team have done their homework, they generally prevail. Finally, he investigates exactly what his powers are in his office and how to properly use them (see how he kicked out certain State Attorneys who refused to prosecute FL laws).

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (a/dOO)

96 I don't believe you can waive your hand at Trump's primary win in Iowa and say it's meaningless. It isn't and at that margin it's clear he not only will be the nominee but a majority of the party is behind him. The real question is what happens with the Independent vote? They are growing as a group and many of them won't vote for Trump. Most of them in Iowa voted for Vivek. But in exit polling a lot of them said they would not vote for Trump. Right there is your math problem.

The beginning of Trump's victory speech and parts of the end were good. Reconcile the party. Focus on the issues. The middle was a lot of Shady Oaks Rest Home meandering through- I have no idea what.

The good news is people have had enough of Democrats. The bad news is whether that loathing alone will be enough to win.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (bNcG+)

97 Ace, but seriously... tell me how you really feel. LOL.

I have one word for all those people that they'll even let Trump get close to winning again:

Colosio

Posted by: SkinnerVic at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (QV2fW)

98 72 can somebody give me the condensed version of whatever Ace is trying to get across?
Posted by: DanMan at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (8uzBS)

1. He thinks DeSantis would be a more effective president.
2. He thinks DeSantis is more electable.
3. Fuck you Sponge.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (eYoxG)

99 19 ace, I have never figured out how what you argue against Trump wouldn't also be an argument against Desantis. I may be slow, but then I might just not be getting the connection.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2024 04:14 PM (D7oie)

The basic argument for DeSantis over Trump is threefold:
1. He's got people that he worked with in Florida to get stuff done, whereas with Trump it was all EOs and his staff regularly screwed around with him. Basically the pragmatic/empirical argument, and the one I identify with most strongly.
2. His public persona is less incendiary. I know it sounds like a stupid point, but American elections basically a popularity contest and votors have a proven history of getting butthurt over stupid stuff.
3. Covid. What happened in 2020 caused a lot more lasting financial and emotional damage to real people than, say, dudes in wigs using the wrong bathroom. This one's kind of a corollary of point #1.

Voters also have a famously short memory so Trump could pull off a general election victory, but he's going to have to not randomly piss everyone off for six months. Time will tell if he's able to do that.

Posted by: CppThis at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (PZvjL)

100 81 It'd be like being a QB and the offensive line doesn't for you, at all. Every pass you have to run for your life.

lol yeah I saw that last night in Tampa
Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (AcWfM)

That sounds like Dan Marino, John Elway and Warren Moon.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (di6C2)

101 What happened to the leggy girl in the sidebar ad?

I want leggy girl back!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (9yWhg)

102 I'm an OnlyTrumper. Why, because we on this blog all know that the 2020 election was stolen. Stolen. We also know that the vaunted Republicans that should have given not $5 billion, but $50 billion to build Trump's wall thought that was too much money. Now, there's a way to get around them, but that would involve...becoming a dictator. Which Trump emphatically was not.

So, yes. He didn't get his wall because McCarthy, Scalise, McConnell and Ryan didn't want him to. Three out of those four, however, had no problem giving a foreign country $150 billion (and counting!) that we'll never see again. So no, that's not on Trump.

Now, I like Heavy D. I really, really do. He's the best governor in the USA, and he should have had a glide path to become POTUS in 2028. Not 2024, 2028. Why? Because there is no way that a guy that's busy running one of the largest states in the Union has the time to recruit the 1000? 2000? people to ride herd over the Deep State. And guess what? Neither does Trump. Why? Well, that's the job of the GOP/RNC, and they have no interest in doing so.

So, in a sense, I agree with you. Trump, by himself, won't get it done. But nobody would.(cont)

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (NyJoo)

103 Other than, "he's not Biden", which would apply equally well to Nikki Haley, can anyone come up with a compelling reason to want Donald Trump as president?

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (bh2Xq)

104 >>U.S. Customs and Border Protection offers an interactive map of the massive construction project along the southern U.S. border with Mexico. As of Jan. 5, CBP reports that a total of 452 miles of border wall system have been completed with more than 681,000 tons of steel and 971,000 cubic yards of concrete.

You can look at the map here
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http://tinyurl.com/27387jtp

Over 400 miles of old wall had to be replaced because it was completely ineffective. The number of miles of new wall is a lot closer to 500 miles than 200.

A lot the 1800 miles was never intended to have a wall because it is so inaccessible as to not be necessary according to the Border Patrol.

In addition, all of the panels to finish the planned construction were purchased and have been sitting in the dessert because Biden refused to finish the wall. Instead Biden has been selling it off for pennies on the dollar as scrap.

So those are the real facts. But it doesn't matter. Bide was determined to not follow the law and let in million of illegals wall or no wall. When you allow a criminal puppet to steal, and yes they stole it, the election and he acts in criminal ways that is not the fault of his predecessor.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (ZLI7S)

105 >>>>You think he couldn't do it because Democrats opposed him?

FUCKING MCCONNELL AND PAUL RYAN FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL AGAINST HIM. They fought harder against him securing the border than they ever did against Democrats. They refused to fund the wall and actively fought any attempt to build it.

and... he lost.

And he has no plan for beating them this time.

You're giving me the reasons for his failures -- he failed to persuade even his own party members -- as if these reasons excuse the failures.

I know you'll just say "Well he had the Florida legislature," but DeSantis found a way to actually implement his agenda. Trump has repeatedly failed to do this.

One of his big "victories" was a tax cut for the rich and for corporations. Whoop de doo. Every Jeb type Republican delivers us such "victories."

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:24 PM (KRtlO)

106 can somebody give me the condensed version of whatever Ace is trying to get across?
Posted by: DanMan at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (8uzBS)

ace feels it is ill advised and further warns that no one should dick with him, because he has the banhammer.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 16, 2024 04:24 PM (D7oie)

107 And then there are those who look at '18, '20, and '22 and wonder why anyone actually believes this "process" is any less fake than pro wrestling.

I'd like to be wrong, but I feel as if this is a waste of time. No matter who you theoretically support.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (OUMaO)
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Both pro wrestling and pro boxing have more integrity than our current voting system.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 16, 2024 04:24 PM (BpYfr)

108 Shouldn't people of good character and wisdom have, at minimum, one redeeming quality?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:24 PM (yyfQG)

109 We do not have an infinity of choices. If DeSantis had shown better chops as a campaigner, he might well have won Iowa. I find it hard to imagine he has a better chance in the General than Trump, but for different reasons.

Posted by: Splunge at January 16, 2024 04:25 PM (BAbpt)

110 FUCKING MCCONNELL AND PAUL RYAN FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL AGAINST HIM. They fought harder against him securing the border than they ever did against Democrats. They refused to fund the wall and actively fought any attempt to build it.
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This.

Consider what Trump DID accomplish without a scintilla of help: Abraham Accords, forcing NATO to pony up what they'd promised to do, holding Mexico's feet to the fire re illegal immigration, holding China's feet to the fire re unfair trade (in both case by imposing tariffs), finishing off ISIS, opening a dialogue with North Korea, presiding over a thriving economy (pre-Covid, which was not his fault) with record low unemployment, to name a few things off the top of my head.

For any other President, accomplishing even ONE of those things would have had him lionized (if he were a Democrat).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:25 PM (pNm1M)

111 I would support any legitimate GOP candidate, which in my world, it's DeSantis or Trump. I think the rest of these clowns are, well, clowns.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 16, 2024 04:25 PM (zgZzy)

112 DeSantis' victory speech was a bunch of rote cliches. I like the policies. But oof. Painful to listen too.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:25 PM (bNcG+)

113 I don't know that there's anything left to say, really. This was a failure by not only the GOP leadership but the rank-and-file. Offered the choice of Ronald Reagan, they opted instead for Jerry Springer. What enthusiasm I had for the election is now gone, since we're locked into four more years of Democratic/Uniparty rule.

Trump can have my vote in November. And I hope he chokes on it.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:25 PM (g0Y4p)

114 Can I look at the VOTES in 2020, 2022, and 2024, or am I just buying into liberal polling narratives if I notice we keep losing on election day?

Posted by: ace

By all means, look at the votes. Explain to me how Milwaukee, Madison, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Maricopa county all had in excess of 90% turnout, and their urban precincts had over 80% democrat votes, when that was not repeated anywhere else, and has never occurred, anywhere, in the history of elections. Oh, and coincidentally, those were all the locales where vote counting was stopped simultaneously, and restarted in the middle of the night, with only democrats allowed in.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 16, 2024 04:25 PM (lTGtQ)

115 >>>The basic argument for DeSantis over Trump is threefold:

and:

4. DeSantis does not have the nuclear hate that Trump does. Trump supporters just refuse to believe the constantly-verified number that about 52% of the public hates Trump.

5. The left stole an election from Trump and GOT AWAY WITH IT CLEAN. They have no guarantees they can get away with it with DeSantis. But with Trump -- they know they can get away with it, because THEY ALREADY DID.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (KRtlO)

116 >>So that's my piece. I will not rub it in your face, but I will tell you I believe you have chosen catastrophically, and even though you're probably saying right now "If we lose in 2024, it's no big deal anyway, because the left was in control anyway," I absolutely, 100% guarantee you you will think it's a big deal after the loss.

What if we're right and you're wrong? DeSantis spent $100 million and lived in Iowa for almost a year and he couldn't close the deal. He didn't even come close. He got blown out in a historic loss.

How does that prove he is a superior general election candidate when he can't even win the base?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (ZLI7S)

117 104 Other than, "he's not Biden", which would apply equally well to Nikki Haley, can anyone come up with a compelling reason to want Donald Trump as president?
Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (bh2Xq)

I kinda liked 3% unemployment and $2.50 gas and 3% mortgages and 2% inflation.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (8kRtb)

118 To hell with rearranging, we are just dry humping the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (di6C2)

119 Looking forward to voting for DeSantis in the primary if he's still in by the time we have our primary . And then looking forward to voting against Biden. It's about all the proactive actions I can take within the law.

[i[]To me, the difference is this. Trump makes a few "controversial-according-to-the-media" announcements on Twitter, but assumes his flunkies will figure out how to do it. If it gets blocked by the courts, then he rants on Twitter more. He isn't patient enough to figure out government procedure, so he doesn't dot the i's and cross the t's on executive orders, and they get rejected in the courts.

For Desantis, he announces a "controversial-according-to-the-media" policy after making sure his right-hand men and women have done their homework. He then follows up to make sure said policy is carried out. Finally, when challenged in court, because he and his team have done their homework, they generally prevail. Finally, he investigates exactly what his powers are in his office and how to properly use them (see how he kicked out certain State Attorneys who refused to prosecute FL laws).

Completely agree with both of these.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (CsUN+)

120 I thought lame ducks were able to accomplish more, because they not bound by the constraint of having to placate the mob to get re-elected.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (tkR6S)
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That's a new view to me. Right or wrong, I believe the common consensus is the opposite.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (TsIY/)

121 time to start drinking

Words to live by.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (yNjpK)

122 Yeah Ace, I'm going to call you out on your cheapshot at President Trump in this critique of Nikki Haley. If Desantis is so awesome and "knows what the fuck he's doing," then how come he was all comfy with the Bushes and big donor set of the GOPe this past year, leading up to Iowa? Those are the same bunch pushing Haley. Guess it depends on which suit he's wearing today, huh?
Someone really needs to wrench the liquor cabinent key out of your fingers and hide it. But hey, it's your article man so be as petulant as you want.
At least you and I can agree that Haley would be a terrible choice for president.

Posted by: Tracy at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (qV0gS)

123 But they don't want to admit that, because they're too busy trying to convince Republicans to vote for Democrats. They can't admit their real objection to Trump is that he's too conservative for them.
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Let that sink in.

Donald freaking Trump - who is, essentially, a 1970s Democrat - is too conservative for the GOP and its pundit class.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (C19Uv)

124 We do not have an infinity of choices. If DeSantis had shown better chops as a campaigner, he might well have won Iowa. I find it hard to imagine he has a better chance in the General than Trump, but for different reasons.
Posted by: Splunge at January 16, 2024 04:25 PM (BAbpt)
__________________

I like DeSantis, and what he's done, but in the general election he'd be beaten like a red-headed stepchild. The MSM alone would make mincemeat out of him.

How do I know he'd get whomped? The Democrats aren't even bothering now to attack him.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (pNm1M)

125 Shouldn't people of good character and wisdom have, at minimum, one redeeming quality?
Posted by: Northernlurker

Seems entirely subjective. Those Democrat Underground comments not only insist that BiteMe is a good and wise person but that he's hyper-competent and in good health, when in fact that's obvious horseshit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (IG4Id)

126 So, Ace, honest question.

If it comes down, again, to Trump v. Biden, would you actually prefer Biden?

And please don't call me names, and I support your right to support whomever you wish. But it sounds like you're trending in that direction.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (9yWhg)

127 Trump is a 78-year-old guy, who kinda sorta failed and is widely hated.

Haley is a younger woman who kinda, sorta succeeded.

DeSantis is a guy who 100% succeeded.

Guess which one we want for president?

Posted by: Garbled memo at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (8E/8X)

128 Thanks Red Turban. I gave up trying to follow it.

Posted by: DanMan at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (8uzBS)

129 Ace, I for one agree with everything you said about Trump. At this point I will vote a straight Republican ticket, so I will vote for him again if he's the candidate, but I just don't think he can win again.

I actually think he could win in a fair fight, but no way can he get a steal-proof victory. Which is what it takes for a Republican to win. Democrats well commit election fraud and sleep peacefully, serene in the thought that crimes in the service of the liberal cause are virtuous.

DeSantis would crush Biden in a fair fight and might be able to get a steal-proof victory.

Posted by: mr_jack at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (3wEtx)

130 Just listened to Tucker's takedown of Nikki, pretty funny

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (fwDg9)

131 What happened to the leggy girl in the sidebar ad?

I want leggy girl back!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM

You want leggy girl. You'll get toenail fungus.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (SzI2j)

132 Much like John Bolton, Nikki Haley peaked out at United States ambassador to the United Nations. Everything after that is just a blowhard looking for recognition.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (J3ryZ)

133 >>> We also know that the vaunted Republicans that should have given not $5 billion, but $50 billion to build Trump's wall thought that was too much money.

No, many voted against that because Trump made a deal for mass amnesty to get that money.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (KRtlO)

134 If Desantis is so awesome and "knows what the fuck he's doing,"
_______________

Unfortunately, that characterization does not extend to campaigning.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (pNm1M)

135 Beautiful Loser is a great song. Should've gotten more play.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (Cuhby)

136 "Guess which one we want for president?"

Asa!

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (i7Q7S)

137 >>>I'm an OnlyTrumper. Why, because we on this blog all know that the 2020 election was stolen. Stolen.

I would more or less agree. I'd like to think Trump would do exactly what Biden did, tossing people into jail, but I doubt he will do that. Hell, he still wants the FBI HQ in D.C.

To me that's a red flag.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (zgZzy)

138 I think DeSantis would be a better President than Trump, but I cannot understand why he is doing so poorly in the polls.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (pohLc)

139 126 I like DeSantis, and what he's done, but in the general election he'd be beaten like a red-headed stepchild. The MSM alone would make mincemeat out of him.

How do I know he'd get whomped? The Democrats aren't even bothering now to attack him.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (pNm1M)

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I think DeSantis would have real trouble brining in the somewhat apolitical, partyless working class voters that seem so attached to Trump.

I think that's the only major argument against DeSantis from an electability point of view, assuming elections are fair, that is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (GBKbO)

140 Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (8kRtb)

2020 had 3% unemployment? And before you say, "Oh, COVID WASN'T HIS FAULT!!!!"

- Even if it wasn't, it just shows how fickle and easily washed away economic success can be. Trump left no lasting economic legacy.

- Trump went well in on the lockdowns, so while COVID wasn't his fault, his response to it certainly was.

He also signed the bill that expanded the left's "early vote" shenanigans, which is why I roll my eyes when people complain about 2020 being "rigged." Hey, maybe Trump shouldn't have helped 'em, then?

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (bh2Xq)

141 Trump's policies being advanced by a guy who actually knows what the fuck he's doing.
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Who? Where? Ron Tintin?

If you can't run a winning campaign, you can't say you, " know what the fuck you're doing."

Ron has only himself to blame. He chooses the staff. He chooses his issues. He chooses which shows to go on. He chooses where to burn his $100 million.
But blaming Trump votes is more soothing.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (PFILT)

142 Trump can have my vote in November. And I hope he chokes on it.
Posted by: Dr. T

You sound nice.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (9yWhg)

143 I think the point is if you want things bad enough you find a way to get them done. The border wall is a perfect example. Trump demurred to Congress and never looked for a way around them. He just let it lie and posted a bunch of rants on Twitter. Look at Biden for the converse. They are totally abusing federal law to open the border and flood the country. DHS and DoJ are using funds and resources to buttress their subversion. They are getting it done despite what Congress is doing. There's a lot Trump could have done on the border to fight for his policies. He didn't do it. That's a fact.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (bNcG+)

144 News Media had led me to believe that since 50% voted for Trump, the other 50% was neverTrumpers.
43% of 14% is.... much, much less than 50%.

Posted by: Gerald Magnuson at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (HyD1b)

145 Yes, he has a personality that causes people to despise him.

But that's not why the GOP opposed Trump while he was in office. They opposed him for the same reason Democrats did: Trump is too conservative for the GOP, particularly on issues like immigration.

Posted by: this isn't about personality at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (pjs7m)

146 How does that prove he is a superior general election candidate when he can't even win the base?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (ZLI7S)

It's not DeSantis' fault he had to deal with a bunch of cultists who refused to hear a single word uttered against their lord and savior.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (g0Y4p)

147 Kristol should just admit he's all for sending our best young men to fight and die in pointless wars.

That's Kristol's oeuvre, justifying the endless war deep state.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (tT6L1)

148 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (pNm1M)

Trump already was whomped. This isn't speculation; the last election was Trump vs. Biden, and Trump lost by a greater popular vote disparity than Romney vs. Obama.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (bh2Xq)

149 >>>If it comes down, again, to Trump v. Biden, would you actually prefer Biden?

As many here are fond of saying: I don't think it matters. Trump will lose anyway.

>>>And please don't call me names, and I support your right to support whomever you wish. But it sounds like you're trending in that direction.

I am allowed to say what the Trump people always say when I point out that Trump's numbers are very low, so they should vote for someone with higher numbers: "I don't think it matters anyway, the election is already over."

If Trumpers can say it -- I hear it 30 times a day -- then I can say it.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (KRtlO)

150 And so it begins.

Posted by: Kosh B'Gosh at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (63Dwl)

151 DeSantis would not have to begin his agenda with a NeverDestantis position by his opponents. He has been in Congress and knows how it operates. He likely would not have an adversarial relationship with most of his administration appointees. But he also knows he will have tough opposition to a conservative agenda and will be able to use a GOP House majority to his advantage better than Trump ( if we can maintain it) .

Just an opinion that we will never know if correct because Trump will more than likely be the nominee.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (/2Hy+)

152 I know, I know -- "The Democrats opposed him!" Yes, of course they did. In every contest, the opposing team, get this, opposes you.

The bigger issue was more than half of the elected Republicans also opposed him.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (JCZqz)

153 DeSantis would crush Biden in a fair fight and might be able to get a steal-proof victory.
Posted by: mr_jack at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (3wEtx)
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So the poll numbers are totally off-base? I know polls are crap at the margin, but numbers like his are impossible to manipulate.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (pNm1M)

154 The saddest thing to accept is that the country is already lost. It doesn't matter who we support or vote for; there's no winning combination, no "right" answer. It's like the Romans wondering in 475 AD "who can we choose as Emperor to turn things around?" Well it's too late, all the important choices were made years ago. After November, the country will start to break up. Not all at once, but it will be irreversible when it happens.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (wVarQ)

155 5. The left stole an election from Trump and GOT AWAY WITH IT CLEAN. They have no guarantees they can get away with it with DeSantis. But with Trump -- they know they can get away with it, because THEY ALREADY DID.

Ace, can you expand on this? Has any candidate given a plausible strategy on what they would have done differently? We had Georgia kicking out election observers and pulling out hidden boxes of ballots on camera. The Republican Governor said “no problem.” Who can change that? How?

Posted by: Kratwurst at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (nIRE6)

156 104 Other than, "he's not Biden", which would apply equally well to Nikki Haley, can anyone come up with a compelling reason to want Donald Trump as president?
Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (bh2Xq)

Trump is the most effective administrator the US has had in decades, despite heavy in-party opposition. He's very sensible on foreign policy including the US's relative position(which is broadly not the case for our political class).

His record on deregulation is usually unnoticed but actually pretty great and a meaningful part of his economic program.

But realistically none of that would fix the US's cultural decline or permanently impede the progress of the Democrats in trying to destroy everything.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (eYoxG)

157 How do I know he'd get whomped? The Democrats aren't even bothering now to attack him.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Or they know for certain they can take the election away from Trump. Either or.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (IG4Id)

158 Let that sink in.

Donald freaking Trump - who is, essentially, a 1970s Democrat - is too conservative for the GOP and its pundit class.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:27 PM (C19Uv)

There's a lot going into this. I think there is still a major cultural revulsion (that the adherents believes EVERYONE shares to the same degree) that gets rolled in to the policy preferences. Some are stronger for one element or the other, but it all is bound up in a snarl. And the policy stuff is looked at with a jaundiced eye because it is assumed to have negative motives, due to the revulsion.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (di6C2)

159 In before the Sponge Wars!

Posted by: ShainS at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (tK0ya)

160 As was pointed out yesterday, if DeSantis really was the choice of the GOPe, why were they all backing Nikki?
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Because "vag". They are trying to fracture the gope women off of Trump. When they get disappointed by trumps nomination they'll vote for Oprah when she takes over for sleepy joe.

Posted by: It's a women's culture now at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (386nB)

161 Like nearly all of the always online DeSantis people, who Tucker nailed the description of, what you see here is someone who has now morphed into "I want so badly to see Trump lose so that I can write a week worth of posts on how the guy that ran the worst campaign since Jeb! would have won!"
Remember the predictions from these people...

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (xaNfJ)

162 If Desantis is so awesome and "knows what the fuck he's doing," then how come he was all comfy with the Bushes and big donor set of the GOPe this past year, leading up to Iowa? Those are the same bunch pushing Haley.

Asked and answered. The GOPe thought they could co-opt DeSantis, found out they were wrong, and moved to Haley.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (CsUN+)

163 >>DeSantis is a guy who 100% succeeded.

DeSantis has governed in a ruby red state with a legislature that not only rubber stamps anything he wants they are often ahead of him and Ron gets the credit. He was also gifted a great economy that was humming long before Ron left DC to head home. I know cause I worked there.

Comparing the easy job of governing in Tallahassee to DC is a joke. I think Ron would get eaten alive.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (ZLI7S)

164 You'd think Jeb 2.0 supporters would be cheering today-- they have more than doubled the number of delegates for their $100 million this time.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (PFILT)

165 And it's obvious why the Democrats fought tooth and nail to stop that border fence and as soon as Trump was gone tore it down and opened the border, even having border guards guide the illegals in and shipped them around the country.

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (fwDg9)

166 Let's pretend for a minute that we're not frightened of being called conspiracy theorists simply for vocalizing reasonable questions. Could we start asking the reasonable question of why every establishment shill whether Dem, RINO, or MSM is so irrationally and hyperbolically terrified of Trump and not other GOP, not even Cruz or DeSantis, while us commoners watch in mystified bewilderment at their histrionics? What's the grand secret all these establishment shills and elites share which leads them to accuse a former president of rape, murder, treason, despotism, and nuclear Armageddon on the daily? Why didn't they go this nuts over Romney or Bush? Heck, why did Bush and Romney join them?

I'm about to join the tinfoil hat crowd on this topic because no "conventional" answer makes any sense.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (TY5tw)

167 This isn't speculation; the last election was Trump vs. Biden, and Trump lost by a greater popular vote disparity than Romney vs. Obama.
Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (bh2Xq)
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Neither Trump nor Biden was on the last ballot.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (pNm1M)

168 In the middle of the biggest steal in presidential history, as well as the fakest 'insurrection' I've ever seen, every single Republican should have stood behind Trump and supported him in every fight he's had over the last three years. They certainly couldn't be bothered to defend the guy while he was GEOTUS and being 'impeached' every other day. They let the guy twist in the wind at almost every opportunity.

So, IMO, there should not have even been a primary. Give it to Trump, and have the entire GOP apparatus fight not only for his freedom, but ours for a change.

Trump was responsible for Gov DeSantis. We forget that Andrew Gillum came less than 200,000 votes for locking up FL. To me, that was the single most important election in my lifetime. Without DeSantis running FL, the COVID lie would have been spread without a single state successfully defying it. That's certainly on DeSantis, but that couldn't have happened without Trump. One look at Heavy D's campaign this year will tell you that he needed Trump.

And this is the thanks that DJT gets? Ron thinking that he can step over Trump's political corpse and think that he can stroll into the White House? No way.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (NyJoo)

169 > The left stole an election from Trump and GOT AWAY WITH IT CLEAN. They have no guarantees they can get away with it with DeSantis. But with Trump -- they know they can get away with it, because THEY ALREADY DID.

I've seen some very small victories where courts have decided that things we knew were illegal then were, in fact, illegal. Things like ballot collection boxes.

I don't think there have been enough fixes to keep the left from stealing the Presidency again.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (Odg76)

170 You sound nice.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (9yWhg)

Oh, gee. Did I give you that impression? I do apologize.

To clarify:

Trump is, in my opinion, a stupid selfish asshole who would rather burn the party and the country down than hand the reins to someone who might possibly be more viable.

Better?

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (g0Y4p)

171 @140

>> I think DeSantis would be a better President than Trump, but I cannot understand why he is doing so poorly in the polls.

I don't know how many times this has to be repeated but there was no rationale for Ron or anyone else to run for POTUS while Trump was on the field.

Everyone knows the election was stolen, most people want to see Trump get a second shot at righting that wrong, and they are going to give him that shot.

The only question right now is how much money the consultants and whale donors want to launder and or waste.

That's it, there is nothing else to figure out.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (XV/Pl)

172 und so beginnt es

Posted by: Dieser Typ, der immer denkt, es fängt an at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (aD39U)

173 Ace, I don’t particularly disagree with anything you just said. That being said, how does ANYONE overcome the entrenched fraud mechanisms in the large Democrat-run cities? For me, I am voting for Trump as a protest to the system even though I believe there is no chance for any him or any other candidate that opposes the Uniparty machine. I can certainly understand your position though.

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This is pretty much where I'm at. Although, I don't know who I will vote for in the primary...DeSantis or Trump. Neither leave me feeling like we have a chance. DeSantis isn't taking hold (so it seems) and Trump has endless issues/problems relating to actually being able to get reelected. It sucks all around. Because I agree with Ace on 2024. This is it. And everything seems insurmountable.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (mupln)

174 I do not believe America will survive a loss in 2024.

Say goodbye to the Supreme Court for just a start. And after that -- it all goes.
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The only angle I see to prevent the destruction you're predicting is in the executive. Destruction of various agencies, down to the foundation stones. That is where the Court could, possibly, come in by declaring the destruction of agencies as legal.

But I kind of doubt that it would, even with its current semi-conservative composition. While there have been some very good SCOTUS decisions over the past few years, the Court also abdicates on or just avoids a lot of issues, and I don't see that changing. Now moving it from semi-conservative and timid to progressive and ambitious will accelerate destruction to be sure, but I don't think that SCOTUS is all that strong an ally.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (C19Uv)

175 153 DeSantis would not have to begin his agenda with a NeverDestantis position by his opponents. He has been in Congress and knows how it operates. He likely would not have an adversarial relationship with most of his administration appointees. But he also knows he will have tough opposition to a conservative agenda and will be able to use a GOP House majority to his advantage better than Trump ( if we can maintain it) .

Just an opinion that we will never know if correct because Trump will more than likely be the nominee.
Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (/2Hy+)

Theoretically DeSantis could run in 2028, but unless he revamps his approach I'd expect another candidate to win the primary.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (eYoxG)

176
REJECTED
Supreme Court declines school's appeal on transgender bathroom order

this is the Roberts court shying away from icky controversial cases

Posted by: Don Black at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (geLO8)

177 >>>> >>> No, some people, like me, have always been strong, enthusiastic supporters of the Trump ideology -- or at least what Trump claims his ideology is -- but have decided that Trump is simply too detested a figure, and too incompetent at persuading the unpersuaded or working the bureaucracy, to ever actually advance the Trump ideology.
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Sounds like you read my buddy's emails. He can't get past his own cultural distaste for Trump to see that a majority of Americans are with Trump 100%. And they will be with Trump come hell or high water.

Every person that voted for Trump in 2020, if they are alive, will vote for him again. And I dare say, more have joined the Trump train. Every time they persecute him sympathy goes up. Every time they persecute him sympathetic voters overlook his coarse faux pas.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (jaRIy)

178 72 can somebody give me the condensed version of whatever Ace is trying to get across?
Posted by: DanMan at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (8uzBS)

Someone who has screaming orgasms with large women in the Macy's Big and Tall shouldn't be President Of The United States.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (515bZ)

179 Easier said than done, but

Every. Incumbent. Out.

These RINOs need to be banished.

LIVs need to get it good and hard so they can wake the fuck up.

Sadly, if the godless commie Dems win again, we Al will get it good and hard, and it might be too late.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (ufFY8)

180 Too many people confuse ability to campaign and ability to govern. The two are not correlated necessarily.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (8kRtb)

181 Trump lost by a greater popular vote disparity than Romney vs. Obama.
Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (bh2Xq)

Correction - greater ballot disparity

Posted by: A dude in MI at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (/6GbT)

182 At least Abbot bussed 100k illegals to chicago ... desantis? 1 bus full to Martha's Vinyard then put a lid on it like someone we know.

Posted by: ET at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (Ujnjg)

183 In before the Sponge Wars!
Posted by: ShainS

Is Tessa Fowler's shower routine involved in this?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (9yWhg)

184 148. Or lined his pockets with Murdoch $$$...rofl

Posted by: GOP sux at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (Zzbjj)

185 It is true, they learned they can pretty much do anything to Trump and be effectively. Dump him from twitter, impeach him three times, dump him from ballots 2024 across the board. WHy ? Because Trump is ineffective. Sure, he mouths off, but real steps ? Not so much. ANd they know that. In GA, Mark Meadows has a more effective team of lawyers than Trump - the guy running for president. It was Meadows' people who dug up Fani Willis' corruption and kickback schemes. The case was going for how long ? And it might be Meadow who will be heard by the US supreme court. Conversely, I believe DeSantis is an effective, smart fighter. He took on a behemoth called Disney. He did well.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (V13WU)

186 157 5. The left stole an election from Trump and GOT AWAY WITH IT CLEAN. They have no guarantees they can get away with it with DeSantis. But with Trump -- they know they can get away with it, because THEY ALREADY DID.

Ace, can you expand on this? Has any candidate given a plausible strategy on what they would have done differently? We had Georgia kicking out election observers and pulling out hidden boxes of ballots on camera. The Republican Governor said “no problem.” Who can change that? How?
Posted by: Kratwurst at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (nIRE6)

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Trump's legal team went "all of the above" in terms of trying to fight the changes illegally implemented in places like PA, MI, and AZ. They were told to point sound before, during, and after.

This tells me that Democrats are simply too good at the whole, "ask forgiveness not permission" game because the courts (in the most forgiving of interpretations) do not want to muddy a political process at that scale by involving themselves in it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (GBKbO)

187 nobody wins more electorally and gets more shit done on conservative policy than DeSantis

he's young, has no drama, has good favorability numbers

and yet the retard GOP primary voters are going to renominate the same 78 year old (which neutralizes the age issue with Biden) that can't hire competent people, got absolutely boatraced by the bureaucracy and deep state right under his nose as President, and keeps losing elections every since 2016. Not to mention he might be (wrongly) imprisoned before election day and will be blowing all his campaign cash on legal bills.

And nobody drives up Democrat turnout like Trump.

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes This at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (V6W16)

188 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (eYoxG)

"Trump is the most effective administrator the US has had in decades"

Was the wall built?

Was the swamp drained?

How many of his own personnel choices has he gone on the warpath against? How many of his own cabinet members?

Shouldn't even an adequate administrator not hate more than 90% of who he hires, let alone the best one?

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (bh2Xq)

189 Could we start asking the reasonable question of why every establishment shill whether Dem, RINO, or MSM is so irrationally and hyperbolically terrified of Trump and not other GOP, not even Cruz or DeSantis, while us commoners watch in mystified bewilderment at their histrionics?
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Because he's an outsider, and bids fair to call "time" on a lot of the shenanigans that have been going on with Dems, RINOs, and MSM. He is not of The Body, and so must be crushed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (pNm1M)

190 If Trump wins, i do think he will be at least as good as he was 16-20. DeSantis might be almost as good, but not quite, mainly because voting for him will look like a capitulation to the Left who lied/cheated/stole to remove Trump the first time. Those Lefties then know we won't fight back and just do the same thing to President DeSantis 24-28 if he lasts that long. In a free and fair election I think Trump could beat anyone currently running even if every court case Trump is currently engaged in goes against Trump. Undoubtedly there's someone printing fraudulent PA, MI, WI, GA ballots with either BIDEN or NEWSOM already written on them. Printing them is easy, being caught with them is different. How much do the Democrats have to pay Ruby Freeman and Shae Moss not to go running to the press?

Posted by: hurricane567 at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (uPraa)

191
Win or lose, the civil suits, state and federal indictments and mostly peaceful bonfires outside the houses of people who support Trump are just starting up.

What kind of country do you imagine that we live in anymore?

Posted by: Auspex at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (j4U/Z)

192 I'm not going to decry someone else's stance on Trump, but I will point out why I am now more in favor of him than I was in 2016:
- He's (still) a giant middle finger to the establishment
- He actually won in 2020. Stealing the election from him was stealing it from us.
- The Abraham accords
- Embassy to Jerusalem
- Strong economic improvement across the board under him. Best economic improvement for minorities in history.
- People afraid he's going to take revenge against his political enemies if elected... That's actually why I'm voting for him!
- Roe V. Wade is no more because of Trump
- Zero new military actions or interventions. Only president in my lifetime to do this.
- Massive deregulation
- US became energy independent under Trump
- Significantly remade the federal judiciary
- Actually built more than 400 miles of the border wall
- Withdrew from the Iran Nuclear deal
...
I think a lot is getting overlooked...that list could be more than twice as long, but in particular, I want Trump back in office more because I want to send the message to Deep State, Media and the NeverTrumpers that we were serious, we won't be ignored, and we cannot be bullied...

Posted by: neverBiden at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (eIGHH)

193 96.
Imagine that Trump in 2016 had Republicans in control of the house and the senate. Also that the majority of these Republicans in both houses were more conservative not the Rino types we have now in Congress.

Then imagine that there are more registered Republicans in the USA than Democrats and Independents.

That's what DeSantis has in Florida.

Posted by: Floridachick at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (iOWvC)

194 165 DeSantis has governed in a ruby red state with a legislature that not only rubber stamps anything he wants they are often ahead of him and Ron gets the credit. He was also gifted a great economy that was humming long before Ron left DC to head home. I know cause I worked there.

Comparing the easy job of governing in Tallahassee to DC is a joke. I think Ron would get eaten alive.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (ZLI7S)

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DeSantis' greatest achievement was cleaning up Broward County's election machinery.

I'd love to see him do that to Fulton County. I'm unclear how he can, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (GBKbO)

195 As was pointed out yesterday, if DeSantis really was the choice of the GOPe, why were they all backing Nikki?
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Because "vag". They are trying to fracture the gope women off of Trump. When they get disappointed by trumps nomination they'll vote for Oprah when she takes over for sleepy joe.

I THINK this comment is facetious, but if not, I don't understand it at all.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (CsUN+)

196 Trump can win. If he changes his tone as he did last night until he drifted off into lala land, and reconciles the party while focusing on the issues, especially immigration he will win. But he has the self control of an 8 year old. So we will see

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (bNcG+)

197 Salty Ace today. Very salty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:34 PM (xcxpd)

198 One of his big "victories" was a tax cut for the rich and for corporations. Whoop de doo. Every Jeb type Republican delivers us such "victories."

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:24 PM (KRtlO)
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This, I disagree with. Mixed in with rate reductions was the SALT limitation, which hit wealthy taxpayers pretty hard. It's been a long time since I saw a distribution chart of the benefits by income category, but I believe wealthier taxpayers paid more (not less) after his package went through, and middle income taxpayers got the real benefit.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (40F+c)

199 >>>> Theoretically DeSantis could run in 2028, but unless he revamps his approach I'd expect another candidate to win the primary.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (eYoxG)
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He allowed himself to be seduced by the GOPe this time.
Next time the only argument will be the price.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (jaRIy)

200 Does corpulent Cap'n Bill have an audience?
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:09 PM

Right here, baby. Right here.

Posted by: The Lido Deck at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (a3Q+t)

201 Democrats opposed him? You know who else opposed him in securing the things that republican voters want? Republican fucking congressmen! There's your fucking problem, America. The guys who are supposed to be for us are against us. And that ain't Trump's fault. Did Trump appoint Lankford to be a senator from Oklahoma, or did Oklahomans vote into office the guy who just teamed up Schumer to formally bless the illegal alien invasion? Did Trump appoint Mitt Shitt to be senator from Utah, or did Utahans choose the guy who is daily posting advice for how Democrat Party members can succeed against Trump?
How has the Schumer-Lankford border deal been presented on this website? I dunno, I haven't seen one word about it on this blog. But if I'm looking for opinions about comic book movies and how stupid Donald Trump is, well this is the place for that.

Posted by: Smell my hole at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (KD4v2)

202 Can't say I like Sponge being called out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (xcxpd)

203 "I know, I know -- "The Democrats opposed him!" Yes, of course they did. In every contest, the opposing team, get this, opposes you."

Democrat opposition wasn't the problem. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell were the problem. Funny that you failed to mention that.

Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (2VXbz)

204 Also, nobody is "terrified" of Trump, certainly not the left. Don't confuse hatred with fear; I assume most people here hate Kamala Harris. Do you fear her? That's the left with Trump.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (bh2Xq)

205 "Trump is the most effective administrator the US has had in decades"

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You seem to have forgotten the Fauci/Birx press conferences...

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (i7Q7S)

206 32 ....
WRONG. There is only one (1) man the left KNOWS it can steal an election from, and get away with it.

They do not know they can steal it from a non-Trump candidate without provoking a national upheaval.
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As I've said, I agree with most of what you say, if not quite so vehemently, but the above I just don't get. I can't see any reason to think it'd be that much tougher to "fortify" against DeSantis (who is literally Hitler, also), than Trump.

It might be different if we could see a candidate with a first rate organization, one whose team can handle this. I don't see that anywhere.

It also weakens your case to ignore wholly Trump's achievements. While none of his 3 choices is at the Thomas-Alito level, they are all better than Roberts and Kennedy. And those two are not the worst we've gotten from Republicans.

And then there is the handling of foreign policy. The contrast there is stark, and might be the one lever that could lift Trump to victory. I'm not optimistic, but I don't (quite) despair.

Posted by: Eeyore at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (1bNHn)

207 I will vote for whoever ends up on the R ticket. Unless it is hitler. I will not vote for hitler.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (V13WU)

208 I think the reason that Trump did so well in Iowa last night is because people know the 2020 election was stolen, and are pissed.

Revenge is a good motivator.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (lTGtQ)

209 You sound nice.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (9yWhg)

Oh, gee. Did I give you that impression? I do apologize.

To clarify:

Trump is, in my opinion, a stupid selfish asshole who would rather burn the party and the country down than hand the reins to someone who might possibly be more viable.

Better?
Posted by: Dr. T

The Republican Party is already burning to the ground. And was, pre-Trump. And as for the country, the United States has been Centralia, Pennsylvania for a long time. To paraphrase Billy Joel, "Trump didn't start the fire."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (9yWhg)

210 The left stole an election from Trump and GOT AWAY WITH IT CLEAN. They have no guarantees they can get away with it with DeSantis. But with Trump -- they know they can get away with it, because THEY ALREADY DID.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (KRtlO)

This is the main point for me. I think the Democrats probably can get away with stealing the election from DeSantis. But I know they can get away with it from Trump. Because they did it before, and Trump has not given even the slightest hint of a whiff of a suggestion that he has any idea of doing anything to prevent it from happening again.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (YQ4mh)

211 Yeah, I mean Trump is the only Republican who can govern. No governor could possibly do that job. After Trump, we might as well burn down the planet. There is no future.

Good grief. Do you realize how stupid you sound?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (bNcG+)

212 I'm generally with you, ace, but I'll never criticize a man for going golfing.

Posted by: Wally at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (hqVaF)

213 this is the Roberts court shying away from icky controversial cases
Posted by: Don Black at January 16, 2024 04:32 PM (geLO

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Profiles in Courage. /spit

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (pNm1M)

214
But that's not why the GOP opposed Trump while he was in office. They opposed him for the same reason Democrats did: Trump is too conservative for the GOP, particularly on issues like immigration.
Posted by: this isn't about personality at January 16, 2024 04:29 PM (pjs7m

Dems and GOPe despise Trump because he didn't initiate wars, help push cultural decline, and welcome invaders. Trump was trying to do what was good for America, not facilitate the nefarious plans of elitists.

Posted by: Emmie at January 16, 2024 04:37 PM (Sf2cq)

215 There's now no doubt that Trump will be the GOP nominee. That should have an effect on the Lawfare against him. If it doesn't it will only make him stronger.

The big issue will be Immigration which is creating a coalition that crosses traditional lines. It can adversely affect Black turnout and even Hispanic turnout, which in effect is half a vote for us.

DeSantis listened to his consultants who convinced him it was his moment. Consultants needed a payday. So Ron missed what many of us still don't see. Trump is leading a movement. "The mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" movement. Numbers go up every day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdQCPlAZjbY

Trump can win by winning states he "lost" last time. He was so close in places last time that the Left had to add more manufactured votes after midnight.

Or the Steal this time will need to be so ginormous as to show manifest error. e.g. more votes than those registered. If so, it will have momentous consequences. Developing ...

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 16, 2024 04:37 PM (Gse2f)

216

This tells me that Democrats are simply too good at the whole, "ask forgiveness not permission" game because the courts (in the most forgiving of interpretations) do not want to muddy a political process at that scale by involving themselves in it.

Exactly. They've got it mastered. There is no path to 270. And the GOP is fine with that. Failure theater. We'll get them next time. Be sure to donate.

Posted by: brak at January 16, 2024 04:37 PM (AR07F)

217 "I'm not. I'm not okay with the world just proving it's just as rotten as I always expected. I want to win. I think we absolutely need to win, as in our fucking lives depend on it, and we cannot fuck around with thrice-loser waiting for him to finally get his shit together at age 78."

Amen, Ace. Right now, Trump has not shown he has a path to win the general. Nor is he putting in the work (for those that think he has a prayer in VA...which he does not...where's the ground work going on RIGHT NOW to get it done? It's not here. Maybe it's in NY or PA, which are gonna have to sub in for the VA loss. If it's not today, it better be there starting tomorrow)...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2024 04:37 PM (exHjb)

218 211 I think the reason that Trump did so well in Iowa last night is because people know the 2020 election was stolen, and are pissed.

Revenge is a good motivator.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (lTGtQ)

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I'm just hoping the people are willing to do more than sit back and watch as a couple of election workers feed the same ballots through the machine hundreds of times each.

Sitting back and watching didn't work last time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:37 PM (GBKbO)

219 I think whatever happens is out of my hands. Out of most of our hands. I think people behind the scenes are negotiating with the real power brokers and the results may be surprising. You don't think Trump wouldn't bargain with bushies, intel types to get a better shot? Intel could drop the biden syndicate and their obama managers like flies. That sort of leverage is useful to them, yes, but maybe they want to shift power to keep the grift spread around. Anybody's guess.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 16, 2024 04:37 PM (Y6IkP)

220 Trump will receive enough votes to win the electoral college for a third straight presidential election. Whether we still have actual elections remains to be seen.

Posted by: sgr at January 16, 2024 04:37 PM (XRPjt)

221 Politics has become a religion for too many people. That never ends well.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 16, 2024 04:38 PM (sAmhv)

222 If you are going to appeal to Desantis as a former congressman, you will need to examine his voting record while he was there.

Pretty sure you will find he voted with Ryan nearly 100%.

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2024 04:38 PM (RVloE)

223 How has the Schumer-Lankford border deal been presented on this website? I dunno, I haven't seen one word about it on this blog. But if I'm looking for opinions about comic book movies and how stupid Donald Trump is, well this is the place for that.
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You should learn to read, because Ace went off the rails ranting about it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:38 PM (40F+c)

224 211 I think the reason that Trump did so well in Iowa last night is because people know the 2020 election was stolen, and are pissed.

Revenge is a good motivator.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (lTGtQ)

It's the only reason I'm supporting Trump over DeSantis.
Well that and Trump has won and been President. But mostly I'm voting for revenge.

This is an Oligarchy, not a Republic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:38 PM (xcxpd)

225 Trump has not given even the slightest hint of a whiff of a suggestion that he has any idea of doing anything to prevent it from happening again.
___________

I don't know if he has a plan, but if he does, he'd be an idiot to disclose it.

"By the way, Krauts, we're going to land on Normandy on June 6th, so there!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:38 PM (pNm1M)

226 I don't know how many times this has to be repeated but there was no rationale for Ron or anyone else to run for POTUS while Trump was on the field.

Oh, okay, but only because you say so.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:38 PM (CsUN+)

227 So that's my piece. I will not rub it in your face, but I will tell you I believe you have chosen catastrophically, and even though you're probably saying right now "If we lose in 2024, it's no big deal anyway, because the left was in control anyway," I absolutely, 100% guarantee you you will think it's a big deal after the loss.
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It will be, and will be primarily because of the SCOTUS, and foreign/trade policy. I don't think it's all that important otherwise. The Congress plays pretend and the executive agencies run the show as they see fit, and that won't change unless a revolutionary gets into the Oval and goes scorched earth.

That isn't Trump. He is, effective or not, a reformer. He is not and never has been a revolutionary, and that is a problem if you're expecting him to "drain the swamp" or somesuch. The Party controls so much that it is immune to attempts at reform. A scorched-earth ballbreaker is needed, and there isn't one in the field. On paper, Ramaswamy came closest to that.

On the plus side, continued failure of attempted reform will make a nullification crisis more likely.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (C19Uv)

228 I wish Ron DeSantis would come back to Florida and govern. I voted for him to govern in Florida.

I am also sad he listened to the wrong people. He was a shoo-in in 2028 for the Republican nomination if he had continued to do well in Florida, and helped Trump. I believe Trump would have endorsed him for 2028.

Now? His rising star has fallen. And, it is a darned shame.

Posted by: Ann at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (4neFu)

229 But yeah, I want to win. Which at this point does not look too promising. But you never know. It all depends on when they will pull Biden.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (V13WU)

230 I oppose Trump now because he immediately pivoted on his main campaign promise to focus on other matters , he allowed BLM and Antifa to run wild, he abdicated his last year to Fauci , he failed at election integrity reform and he fell into the obvious trap that was the useless J6 rally that served no purpose but to stroke his ego.

That said he was still a million times better than Hillary and the same with Biden. But I believe DeSantis is the better choice so I support him until he's not running.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (/2Hy+)

231 >>>Ace, can you expand on this? Has any candidate given a plausible strategy on what they would have done differently?

Simple: The steal requires not just the steal but the unanimous agreement among the Establishment Regime class to pretend the steal didn't happen.

They unanimously agreed to do this with Trump. They got away with it.

Now, if they do that to DeSantis too, the Republican members of the Establishment Regime class are going to have to ask themselves: Wait, doesn't this just mean the left will steal EVERY election from the GOP, and not just the ones I *AGREE* should be stolen?

The Regime has no guarantee, not even close to it, that they could steal an election from DeSantis and have the unanimous Code of Silence necessary to get away with it.

As I said, they know they can get away with it with trump. They already got away with it. They know Trump is so hated that they will have a massive Regime majority in favor of stealing the election again.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (KRtlO)

232 213 This is the main point for me. I think the Democrats probably can get away with stealing the election from DeSantis. But I know they can get away with it from Trump. Because they did it before, and Trump has not given even the slightest hint of a whiff of a suggestion that he has any idea of doing anything to prevent it from happening again.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (YQ4mh)

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Trump has a plan, at least as he's described publicly. It's not a great plan, essentially amounting to ballot harvesting more where it's legal. It won't be enough to counter Detroit saying there are 2000 ballots in a box with 10 in a precinct with 50 people and the courts saying it's okay.

However, no other GOP candidate has really embraced the idea of the 2020 election being anything but clean enough. If more than 50% of the GOP base (as seen in polls, spit) think the 2020 election was stolen, do you appeal to them by just approaching 2020 like it was fine?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (GBKbO)

233 164 If Desantis is so awesome and "knows what the fuck he's doing," then how come he was all comfy with the Bushes and big donor set of the GOPe this past year, leading up to Iowa? Those are the same bunch pushing Haley.

Asked and answered. The GOPe thought they could co-opt DeSantis, found out they were wrong, and moved to Haley.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (CsUN+)

The GOPe was happy co-opting DeSantis to the point that the Trump believers would lose their enthusiasm for him. That done, they moved onto their real first choice - Darling Nikki.

Co-opting DeSantis would have been a nice bonus for them. They were happy not having two viable Trumpists running this year.

I always said that if Trump was Moses, DeSantis was Joshua. The GOPe couldn't have that in 2024.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (NyJoo)

234 think DeSantis would be a better President than Trump, but I cannot understand why he is doing so poorly in the polls.
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Hey I liked.scott walker and Bobby Jindal. It's hard to go from nowhere to president in one easy step without the media running interference. Trump have 30 years of building a brand. People knew who he was. The low info people knew him. A.lot of people hate him because he beat Hillary. A lot of people love him for that. Its not nothing. Florida gov is not nothing either, but it's no magic bullet...IYKWIMAITTYD

Posted by: JEB at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (386nB)

235 >>DeSantis would not have to begin his agenda with a NeverDestantis position by his opponents. He has been in Congress and knows how it operates.

It has nothing to do with knowing how Congress operates. If DeSantis put on his lifts and asked Mitch real nicely to approve a border wall funding Mitch would tell him to go shit in his hat. But we don't have to worry about that cause Ron won't ask.

They don't hate Trump because of his personality. Look who we are talking about. The biggest collection of scumbags, crooks, creep, pedophiles, narcissists, blowhards and degenerates. That's Congress. And you think they are offended by Trump? Please.

They hate Trump cause he wants to enact policies they hate. Policies I like. He also does things like 5 Middle East peace deals they've been telling us for years was impossible and it makes it look easy. And he won't start a war to fund the military industrial complex that feeds Congress.

You either want to change what is happening in DC or you want to elect a go along manager. Ron isn't changing squat.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (ZLI7S)

236 I don't care who wins, I just hope both sides have fun.

Posted by: An idiot at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (IX0Yg)

237 How has the Schumer-Lankford border deal been presented on this website? I dunno, I haven't seen one word about it on this blog. But if I'm looking for opinions about comic book movies and how stupid Donald Trump is, well this is the place for that.
Posted by: Smell my hole at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (KD4v2)

https://bityl.co/Nc1B

Fool.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (aD39U)

238 I seldom comment on political threads (OT comments aside), but there is one thing that gets to me: Trump is only two years younger than the shuffling bumblefuck currently haunting the White House.

Hell. that's all I got.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (T/Lqj)

239 I do not believe there will be elections in 2028 under any scenarios.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (wVarQ)

240 Why would Democrats fear sending out hundreds of thousands of illegal ballots in PA again if DeSantis were the nominee? They did it in 2020 and 2022, and no one said anything. The courts were on their side.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:17 PM (GBKbO)

They cheated against W, they cheated against McCain, they cheated against Romney, and they will cheat against the nominee in 2024.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (eoQWY)

241 I will vote for whoever ends up on the R ticket. Unless it is hitler. I will not vote for hitler.

Second look at Mussolini?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (CsUN+)

242 I don't know if he has a plan, but if he does, he'd be an idiot to disclose it.

"By the way, Krauts, we're going to land on Normandy on June 6th, so there!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:38 PM (pNm1M)

He does not have a plan, and everybody knows it.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (bh2Xq)

243 Ace, I think, when it comes to the PDT presidency, you're overlooking the RINO in the room: Paul Ryan.

He, more than any single person, is responsible for the disasters which followed. Ryan not only refused to work with PDT, he purposely tanked the off year elections.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (tT6L1)

244 FFS, they'd steal it from DeSantis if they needed to, but they wouldn't need to because Ron wouldn't get the turnout Trump will. And it's obviously moot because DeSantis won't be the nominee.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (Gse2f)

245 Huh, so we've been saving the Angel Candidate in the original packaging?
Don't want to spoil the "mint condition" grading?

Cause out here, there are actual candidates actually running.
One is winning and the rest are losing. Badly.

That is not a cult.

That is, "how the fuck are the rest so stupid, they can't beat the old, multi-election failure?"

ItS A cULt!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (PFILT)

246 And nobody drives up Democrat turnout like Trump.

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes This

And by turnout, you mean fraudulent ballots that were turned in, as opposed to real voters, right?

If you seriously believe that 12-15 million of those democrat ballots weren't fake, you are deluded.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (lTGtQ)

247 The idea that DeSantis is the choice of GOPe is so preposterous that every time one of you says it I keep waiting for the punchline.

They hate DeSantis, because they know he is an effective, disciplined, smart executive who achieves conservative results.

They hate Trump because he is a vulgarian who may cost them their seat.

Posted by: Candidus at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (hB3qM)

248 >can somebody give me the condensed version of whatever Ace is trying to get across?
Posted by: DanMan at January 16, 2024 04:20 PM (8uzBS)

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Trump supporters have chosen poorly, so don't be surprised next year when the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Posted by: Don Black at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (geLO8)

249 PDT can't win in 2024. OK
Facts so far in evidence. DeSantis hasn't achieved 25% popularity.
You can't run in the general without getting on the ticket.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (1SWZx)

250 With you on this. Desantis was the right's best choice for the general but it's looking increasingly grim for his campaign. Can't fault people for their loyalty to Trump, but what the left knows and the right doesn't is that it's more important to win than be right.

Posted by: Bell the Cat at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (70CDr)

251 Democrats have been rigging elections for more than a hundred years (remember Tammany Hall). Democrats have controlled Chicago, Philadelphia, New Orleans, New York, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. for decades. They maintain control by rigging every election. Democrats have been pushing for the types of changes that allow them to influence national elections and Covid gave them the excuse. 100 million mail-in ballots allowed them to utilize their well-oiled machinery to get 81 million votes for Biden. Everything is still in place for 2024.

Posted by: iandeal at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (eVfbG)

252 I'm looking forward to all the J6 commercials the Dem's will run, starting the day after Trump secures the nomination.

If you what you've seen so far is unhinged, just wait.

Good times, Good times.

Posted by: WisRich at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (G0vdT)

253
This is the main point for me. I think the Democrats probably can get away with stealing the election from DeSantis. But I know they can get away with it from Trump. Because they did it before, and Trump has not given even the slightest hint of a whiff of a suggestion that he has any idea of doing anything to prevent it from happening again.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (YQ4mh)

I'd find that more persuasive if DeSantis actually used that as a talking point. Trump at least talks about it as an issue. DeSantis doesn't even give the impression he recognizes it as an actual challenge he'd face.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (eYoxG)

254 Only commented on maybe 1-2 posts in ten years of reading, but you summed up my thoughts exactly on Trump and no amount of "its time to come together and get behind our lord and savior Trump" is going to get me to vote for him (he doesn't need or want my vote anyway according to his cult members). Everyone wants to see scorched earth...well we are going to see it when Trump loses the general and Dems control every aspect of our lives.

Posted by: SideFx at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (1hiZs)

255 186 In before the Sponge Wars!
Posted by: ShainS

Is Tessa Fowler's shower routine involved in this?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (9yWhg)

Busty

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (xcxpd)

256 >>>225 If you are going to appeal to Desantis as a former congressman, you will need to examine his voting record while he was there.

Pretty sure you will find he voted with Ryan nearly 100%.

lol, and Ryan voted with Trump about 96% of the time. So is Trump a Ryan-bot?

Liz Cheny voted with Trump 96% of the time. Is Trump a Cheney Girl?

Jesus, the pure weapons-grade cope.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (KRtlO)

257 They view DeSantis as even worse -- Trump's policies being advanced by a guy who actually knows what the fuck he's doing.
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Except for running a campaign for President, that is. Is that the *only* exception to DeSantis' otherwise brilliant execution ?

Seems to me a guy you claim "kNoWs wHat tHe fUck hE's dOinG" would have some inkling of how to run a political campaign without tanking his own numbers, no ?

The race started with Trump at 46 and DeSantis at 31. Now its Trump at 60 and DeSantis at 15. What a PHENOMENAL job by the genius from Florida.

Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (m2gys)

258 DC wants Trump to run.
They will bash DeSantis over abortion.
Haley is an approved R Club candidate whose job it is to drag the party left.
They stole it once, they will steal it again.

Posted by: Jamaica at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (Eeb9P)

259 This is the main point for me. I think the Democrats probably can get away with stealing the election from DeSantis. But I know they can get away with it from Trump. Because they did it before, and Trump has not given even the slightest hint of a whiff of a suggestion that he has any idea of doing anything to prevent it from happening again.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 04:36 PM (YQ4mh)

Yeah, but who cares? He won *checks notes* 51% of Republicans last night!! And Meatball Ron wears lifts!! Eleventy!!!!

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (g0Y4p)

260 DeSantis is term limited in Fl, isn't he ? this is his last term. so how long does he have as a gov ? 3 more years ? 2 ?

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (V13WU)

261 This fallacy that Trump should have been left unopposed in the primary is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. People need to see and hear other candidates. The party needs to build a bench. Whether Trump wins or not, our future will depend on others. I'm tired of candidates and presidents trying to build their legacy by foisting their choice on the voters. That's what got us here. I think we're smart enough to figure out on our own who will be beat for our country.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:42 PM (bNcG+)

262 The DeSantis crowd is never gonna hire you, you're way too profane and embarrassing.

Posted by: GOP sux at January 16, 2024 04:42 PM (Zzbjj)

263 It's also my opinion that it is Trump that should have decided not to run. Not DeSantis or any of the other GOP candidates.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:42 PM (/2Hy+)

264 wow your last words on Trump are as bad as all the other rants you have gone on ... he DID stem illegal immigration ... was it because of the Wall ? obviously not ... the PURPOSE of building more wall was to stem illegal immigration ... NOT TO BUILD X MILES of A WALL to make you check off a campaign promise ... and for a GUY WHO KNOWS WHAT HE is doing ... DeSantis sure fails as a campaigner ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at January 16, 2024 04:42 PM (DBAaD)

265 @229

>>Oh, okay, but only because you say so.

Yeah, that rationale got 21pct in Iowa and barely beat Nikki Haley.

We'll see what happens in NH, but I got a feeling Stilts is going to get smoked there too and on Super Tuesday and be out of the race by March, then he can go back to Florida and duke it out with Scott or Rubio for one of their seats.

This infatuation with this MIC/YALE/Harvard Cypher escapes me.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 04:42 PM (XV/Pl)

266 on most issues, Paul Ryan was a doctrinaire fiscal Republican, and garrett thinks it's susssspicioussss that another fiscal Republican voted similarly to Ryan most of the time.

And note this was *before* the major schisms in the party came to the fore.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:42 PM (KRtlO)

267 I saw a an exit poll breakdown by age in Iowa. The older the voters the more Trump got support. 17-25 (it’s 17 because you can caucus as long as you’re 18 on Election Day) Trump didn’t win. DeSantis did and Vivek was in 2nd. Trump was in third. But 17-25 year olds made up just 8% of caucus goers.

The Iowa caucus skews old and old Republicans love Trump. Last night was not anywhere near representative of the general electorate.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (8kRtb)

268 >> This tells me that Democrats are simply too good at the whole, "ask forgiveness not permission" game because the courts (in the most forgiving of interpretations) do not want to muddy a political process at that scale by involving themselves in it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (GBKbO)
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Then a situation must be created where the judges (looking at SCOTUS among others) who don't become involved become soiled.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (jaRIy)

269 think the Democrats probably can get away with stealing the election from DeSantis. But I know they can get away with it from Trump.
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To steal it from DeSantis they'll need 55 million votes. To steal it from Trump they need 85 million.
It's getten stolen either way.

Posted by: JEB at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (386nB)

270 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (PFILT)

"But Trump is winning the primary! So he's a winner!"

How many times do people have to learn the lesson that winning a primary means absolutely nothing if you get crushed in the general? Yeah, Trump and his candidates win primaries, and then have a 0% success rate with the general public.

Doug Mastriano won a commanding primary victory (thanks to Trump's endorsement in part). Look what happened to him.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (bh2Xq)

271 205 Can't say I like Sponge being called out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (xcxpd)

Sponge is a big boy, but to be fair, ace is using sponge as a wobbie for every commenter who has ever annoyed him, every new nic that has tried to rile him up and set us as blood enemies against each other. People gleefully swallow that shit without thinking 'do I know this guy? Why the fuck do I care what HE thinks? He seems to be taking the opposition opinion but being deliberately inflammatory. No matter, I will take his argument and energy and reflect it back at the commenters I have known for years who 'agree' with him but who did not come at me the same way! Profit!'

Now, to be fair, other nics have been doing the exact same to Trumpfan nics and people have responded the same.

Weird, it is almost like either people like drama and/or it is a concerted effort to get us to draw knives on each other. No matter, carry on.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (di6C2)

272 SideEx, they do already.

Posted by: Jamaica at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (Eeb9P)

273 They unanimously agreed to do this with Trump. They got away with it.

Now, if they do that to DeSantis too, the Republican members of the Establishment Regime class are going to have to ask themselves: Wait, doesn't this just mean the left will steal EVERY election from the GOP, and not just the ones I *AGREE* should be stolen?

The Regime has no guarantee, not even close to it, that they could steal an election from DeSantis and have the unanimous Code of Silence necessary to get away with it.

As I said, they know they can get away with it with trump. They already got away with it. They know Trump is so hated that they will have a massive Regime majority in favor of stealing the election again.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (KRtlO)

This - 100%. DeSantis has FRIENDS in the R party...and fellow govs who wouldn't stand by. Trump has...no one...we all know his backers aren't backing him, but their own political life...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (exHjb)

274 The GOPe was happy co-opting DeSantis to the point that the Trump believers would lose their enthusiasm for him. That done, they moved onto their real first choice - Darling Nikki.

I usually agree with you, at least to some extent, but not here. Your scenario makes no sense. If DeSantis, who at the time was rising like a rocket, gave them what they wanted, they'd have stuck with him. Nikki was nowhere (and still is).

You don't jump out of a Ferrari to jump onto a decelerating bus.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (CsUN+)

275 Trump allowed himself to be punked more than once by every leftist in DC, by that little bitch Pelosi, but I never heard him trash her, as much as he trashed DeSantis.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (V13WU)

276 I would just like to offer a thought: were Trump to step aside, whoever replaced him on the ticket would get the same boatload-level of shit from the Left

it's not like blue voters are gonna say 'oh- Haley's the nominee? Well, by GUM, let's give her a fair hearing.'

Posted by: Don Black at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (geLO8)

277
Donor money went to Nikki because DeSantis is dead in the water.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 16, 2024 04:44 PM (jaRIy)

278 It's all somewhat moot, isn't it? That is, Trump is the nominee (at least if the neo-liberal Haley as catspaw in a democrat plot doesn't hang on long enough and Trump doesn't go to jail and thus leave her as the only option, as Tucker recently outlined as "the plan"). DeSantis had a chance to define and sell himself and failed. He can't keep up with Haley's money-machine so his days are probably numbered.

We have Trump or we have nothing.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 16, 2024 04:44 PM (tf4XU)

279 Haley/DeSantis 2024!!!

Posted by: JROD at January 16, 2024 04:44 PM (IlL6s)

280 Well I knew this thread on my favorite Smart Military blogsite was coming and it was just a matter of how much blood would hit the walls.

I'll just say this. Nothing is set. Events and actions will determine what happens. The equation is dynamic.

Assuming the outcome of next November as an inevitable loss is defeatist attitude. We don't even know who the candidates will be with absolute certainty. Our representation in the necessary evil of government is always a choice of the lesser of two evils. That never changes.

Check Scott Pressler's tweets for more. That guy gets it.

Good people will disagree about who is better on policy and who is more electable but our duty to country, that quaint notion we used to call "patriotism" should drive us to oppose the rot

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 16, 2024 04:44 PM (OZjDX)

281 >>>We'll see what happens in NH, but I got a feeling Stilts is going to get smoked there too

Trump is hugely fat and has tits so big he could fuck them now (if he had the dick to go with his big bitchtits).

So you know, maybe you guys who think Trump is Thunderlips, the World's Most Desirable Man, can cool it with your denigration of DeSantis for merely being 5'11" (per his military records -- or are they in on it too?)

What did Trump's military records list as his official height? Oh just kidding, he had flat feet, doncha know.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:45 PM (KRtlO)

282 Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (m2gys)

Donald Trump got smoked by Joe Biden in 2020. And before you whine that it was rigged - an actual winner doesn't find himself in situations where he's crying about being cheated out of victory.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:45 PM (bh2Xq)

283 I'd only clarify that 26 REPUBLICAN congressmen/women opposed the wall. And we're not just talking about the usual squishes. Included were Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Roy Blunt, Mike Lee.... and others from the Senate. On the House side, 14 REPUBLICANS shot it down making sure 2/3 was unachievable to override.

But, hey, I agree with you, Ace. Trump is damaged goods who has difficulty determining loyalty, and a singular lack of finesse.

Posted by: Orson at January 16, 2024 04:45 PM (dIske)

284 Trump supporters don't seem to realize that he is the Republican party's Hillary Clinton. Not in terms of achievements. Yes, I will certainly agree that he had some impressive achievements while in office. However, you also need to concede that his lack of discipline cost him a lot of additional, longer-lasting achievements because they were self-inflicted injuries (not following proper procedures for E.O.s).

So how is he a Hillary? Because nothing inspires Dems and tons of independents to get out and vote than to have his name on the ballot, just as the distaste of Hillary inspired a ton of Republicans and independents to vote against her in 2016.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 16, 2024 04:45 PM (a/dOO)

285
Ace:

I totally get what you're saying and in many ways I cannot argue your points. But that said, either the reaction of the media to Trump's win is merely insanity or it's revelatory of a fear on their part. Or both. But, if you're correct, then it's completely irrational on their part.

No matter what, this country is at perhaps the final inflection point before it's gone for good. Split up? Totally conquered by the Left?

Time will tell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 16, 2024 04:45 PM (x0n13)

286 of course you can point out Trump loses alot ... So what ? Ted Williams failed 60% of his at bats in his best year ... DeSantis is just getting started with his losing ... and not just alot ... IN EVERY STATE including Florida he is losing ... like 100%

Posted by: The Dark Lord at January 16, 2024 04:45 PM (DBAaD)

287 171 > The left stole an election from Trump and GOT AWAY WITH IT CLEAN. They have no guarantees they can get away with it with DeSantis. But with Trump -- they know they can get away with it, because THEY ALREADY DID.
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What the actual fuck ? Trump increased his vote total from 2016 to 2020 by over 15%. What the hell does the election thievery in Atlanta, Madison, Philly, Phoenix, etc. even had to do with Trump and why on Earth would you imagine that it would be any different with DeSantis on the ballot ?!?!

You're DELUSIONAL

Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (m2gys)

288 I am also sad he listened to the wrong people. He was a shoo-in in 2028 for the Republican nomination if he had continued to do well in Florida, and helped Trump. I believe Trump would have endorsed him for 2028.

Now? His rising star has fallen. And, it is a darned shame.
Posted by: Ann at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (4neFu)

Unless, you know, Trump lost this year and decided it was still his turn in '28, or decided Don Jr. was his successor, or did whatever Lindsey Graham and the Murdochs told him to do.

But what are the chances of *that*....

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (g0Y4p)

289 The Iowa caucus skews old and old Republicans love Trump. Last night was not anywhere near representative of the general electorate
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In a sense yes. But young folks aren't going to turn out for sleepy Joe. Of course he's not counting on actual voters.

Posted by: Voting machines a cia cottage industry at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (386nB)

290 2020 had 3% unemployment? And before you say, "Oh, COVID WASN'T HIS FAULT!!!!"

- Even if it wasn't, it just shows how fickle and easily washed away economic success can be. Trump left no lasting economic legacy.

- Trump went well in on the lockdowns, so while COVID wasn't his fault, his response to it certainly was.

He also signed the bill that expanded the left's "early vote" shenanigans, which is why I roll my eyes when people complain about 2020 being "rigged." Hey, maybe Trump shouldn't have helped 'em, then?
Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:28 PM (bh2Xq)

2017-2019 was objectively the best economy of my lifetime and I’m in my 40s. I simply said that’s a reason to vote for him. I agree he did mucho stupidity shit in 2020 with Covid.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (8kRtb)

291 Yeah. Ryan was an integral part of Trump achieving any of his agenda...

Jesus. Do you even read the shit you post?

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (RVloE)

292 You can't run in the general without getting on the ticket.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 16, 2024 04:40 PM (1SWZx)
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*whistle* Five yard penalty for arguing using facts.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (40F+c)

293 "I believe wealthier taxpayers paid more (not less) after his package went through, and middle income taxpayers got the real benefit." Posted by: Huck Follywood

yeah, I forget details, but I recall seeing it was the first time (in a long time) that the middle/lower class had their incomes improve, instead of being flat or declining.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (Cus5s)

294 277 Nova

So, you're admitting that your grifter pals in the RePUBEiCON party are IN on the steal?

Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (2VXbz)

295 269 @229

>>Oh, okay, but only because you say so.

Yeah, that rationale got 21pct in Iowa and barely beat Nikki Haley.

We'll see what happens in NH, but I got a feeling Stilts is going to get smoked there too and on Super Tuesday and be out of the race by March, then he can go back to Florida and duke it out with Scott or Rubio for one of their seats.

This infatuation with this MIC/YALE/Harvard Cypher escapes me.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 04:42 PM (XV/Pl)

NH is white and liberal and allows Ds to vote R...of course, Nikki will do well. More interesting will be if that set up and Trump's lack of ground game, even with the Never Nikki group, gets Nikki a win there...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (exHjb)

296 DeSantis is the guy who used his state constitution to go around the legislature to get things done. He directly removed prosecutors and went after school districts who flaunted the law. You'll have to remind me where Trump did anything remotely resembling that. Good Lord, he made excuses for not removing Fauci, etc.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (bNcG+)

297 "As I said, they know they can get away with it with trump. "

The Overton window has been moving on this. More than half the country now believes that 2020 was stolen, IIRC the polls I saw.

ANd people are waking up to Biden & Co being an existential threat to their safety and prosperity

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (Gse2f)

298 I feel like a Peter Clemenza quote is in order..

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (aD39U)

299 How many times do people have to learn the lesson that winning a primary means absolutely nothing if you get crushed in the general?'

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stolen !1 eleventy 1!!

which is nonsense if your supported candidate loses and Rs not supported by you win - all on the same ticket as it happened in GA

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (V13WU)

300 I think I'll just say OMB and TDG for these threads.

Orange Man Bad (of course)

Tiny DeSantis Good (I'm working on it)

Posted by: And here we go at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (SNVFk)

301 @285

>>What did Trump's military records list as his official height? Oh just kidding, he had flat feet, doncha know.

Did the uber eats guy forget your box wine, meow.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (XV/Pl)

302 Having played footsie with the idea that 2020 was stolen, Ace now goes back to the Hotair clan and says how fed up he is that Trump keeps losing. Either Ace believes 2020 was rigged or he doesn’t. He acted like he did, but now blames trump for having an election rigged against him, but they certainly wouldn’t do that to desantis dontcha know. Even though by Ace’s own account its the policies not the persona that they hate, and desantis has the same policies. But they won’t rig it against desantis. Because reasons. In my opinion that it’s why Ace can’t admit that it was rigged now, because that makes DeSantis (who is still
Polling behind Biden in GE matchups) an irrelevant candidate, which he is because he’s run a pretty bad campaign, he misread his lane, listened to bad advisors and yet we’re all supposed to look past that (and his drastic pro life stance that we’ll hear about all season) and will him to a non rigged victory. He didn’t even have to win Iowa he just had to not lose by the biggest margin in history. But he didn’t and he only has himself to blame. Now I guess we’ll have to deal with the return of Allahpundit, eeyore trolling through another election season.

Posted by: JM at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (b1HmG)

303 So how is he a Hillary? Because nothing inspires Dems and tons of independents to get out and vote than to have his name on the ballot, just as the distaste of Hillary inspired a ton of Republicans and independents to vote against her in 2016.
Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 16, 2024 04:45 PM (a/dOO)

2016 Republican turnout wasn't particularly grand. It's 2020 where the numbers got really wild(which is contrary to general history and the tendency to notice that the Republican candidate, once in office, wasn't Hitler after all).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (eYoxG)

304 299 NH is white and liberal and allows Ds to vote R...of course, Nikki will do well. More interesting will be if that set up and Trump's lack of ground game, even with the Never Nikki group, gets Nikki a win there...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (exHjb)

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No. NH allows unaffiliated to vote in either party's primary. Affiliated voters can only vote in their own party's primary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (GBKbO)

305 This fallacy that Trump should have been left unopposed in the primary is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Clearly you do not understand the concept of lese majeste.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (CsUN+)

306 Jesus could run for Republican President and the Marxists still would fraud the election so they don't lose

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (fwDg9)

307 Posted by: Smell my hole at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (KD4v2)

I like it when people score an own goal. It's funny.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (/2Hy+)

308 people think you can go back in time
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Ace certainly did, in an earlier thread.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:18 PM (9yWhg)

It was deja-vu all over again !

Posted by: JT at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (T4tVD)

309 Ace, I fear that you are right. I hope for all our sakes that you're not.

I similarly believe that DeSantis would make a better president in a lot of ways including getting good policies put into place and stopping the Dems.

I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination. After last night, the 2020 rematch looks locked in. Fingers crossed we get a better result this time.

Posted by: Jill at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (A8Rd5)

310 In fairness to Ace, the one part of his rant that hasn't been addressed it just how much things are going to hurt if a Republican Candidates don't win the Presidency and/or Congress in 2024. I think that is the thing he is most angry about, he's legit worried about what could be coming down the road.

In Ace's mind, Trump NEEDS to win, otherwise we are looking at some nasty conditions.

Posted by: You may have missed Ace's point at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (Tu5Ig)

311 Let the T D S flow through you.

Posted by: garrett at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (RVloE)

312 How DeSantis would do things differently is kind of just hand-waved. Being less bombastic doesn't suddenly make the GOPe on board with limiting illegal immigration.
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Oh, you must have missed the soaring oratory of Ron the Great, swaying reluctant RINOs to pass his agenda?

Right. You didn't cause he didn't.

All the "stuff" Ron got done was rammed through by the R majority in the legislature.
Not one item required deployment of his bully pulpit to pass.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (PFILT)

313 Steal the election is stealing the election it doesn't matter who the candidate is. Steal it once, steal it again.
Stealing the election is like stealing a purse. If you steal a purse at Saks you can steal a purse at Macy's.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (jaRIy)

314 This busty brunette in the pool is resigned to a very long and contentious year:
http://tiny.cc/ppg6wz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (C19Uv)

315 I don’t mind the age thing. I’d rather have a 78 year old than a 35 year old, all things being equal. And I’m closer to 35 than 78.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (8kRtb)

316 275 205 Can't say I like Sponge being called out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (xcxpd)

Sponge is a big boy, but to be fair, ace is using sponge as a wobbie for every commenter who has ever annoyed him, every new nic that has tried to rile him up and set us as blood enemies against each other. People gleefully swallow that shit without thinking 'do I know this guy? Why the fuck do I care what HE thinks? He seems to be taking the opposition opinion but being deliberately inflammatory. No matter, I will take his argument and energy and reflect it back at the commenters I have known for years who 'agree' with him but who did not come at me the same way! Profit!'

Now, to be fair, other nics have been doing the exact same to Trumpfan nics and people have responded the same.

Weird, it is almost like either people like drama and/or it is a concerted effort to get us to draw knives on each other. No matter, carry on.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (di6C2)

This is going to be a very bad year, isn't it?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (xcxpd)

317 >>>s. But that said, either the reaction of the media to Trump's win is merely insanity or it's revelatory of a fear on their part

they hate him and sure, they have some fear, but you delude yourself into thinking "If these irrational people, who have mental breakdowns every fucking week about some new fear, fear Trump, it must mean Trump is a really good candidate who can win."

The right does a lot of this -- deciding that if the left, which is stupid and gay, thinks something, THAT MUST BE CORRECT. Boy, we sure do think leftists are smart, to so frequently say "if the left thinks it, it must be true, because they're always right"

Yes they fear the POSSIBILITY of a trump win, but they also fear fucking global warming that actually causes global cooling. They fucking all had a nervous breakdown in 2016 -- I am not exaggerating; they all had a viral nervous breakdown they passed from one to the other through viral fear -- so no, I don't take their fear of Trump to be proof that Trump is really popular.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (KRtlO)

318 DeSantis has governed in a ruby red state

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:31 PM (ZLI7S)

You're better than this. Yes, getting national-level things done in Congress will be more difficult than getting state-level things done in Florida. But acting like Florida is the political equivalent of Wyoming is even more absurd. Florida turned "ruby red" AFTER they experienced DeSantis and AFTER he cleaned up the election system. DeSantis won his 2018 election by 0.4% in what was the quintessential purple state. These are actually the reasons that DeSantis supporters think he stands half a chance of doing something as President. Not because it's a slam dunk, but because he actually did succeed and build popularity from a difficult position and actually did clean up an election system. That's better than failing to do either. I have no problem voting for Trump, but I am disappointed that the swipes against him by Trump and his supporters are so similar in type and quality to the Democrat attacks.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (YQ4mh)

319 I worry after, DeSantis and Vivek have been trashed by many republican "influencers"..."they" will have a Bernie Bro , or a F I B, kill Trump (unless China gets him first) and we will only have Nikki considered a legit candidate....and no one will vote for him.
What do we do then? vote for RFK jr? sigh

Posted by: ziggggeeee at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (AsMdZ)

320 I don't know if he has a plan, but if he does, he'd be an idiot to disclose it.

"By the way, Krauts, we're going to land on Normandy on June 6th, so there!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 16, 2024 04:38 PM (pNm1M)

Exactly. And if he has a plan, and says so, without disclosing all the details, the Usual Suspects will just claim that he is bullshitting, and has no plan. He has to play his cards close to his vest.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (tkR6S)

321 265 This fallacy that Trump should have been left unopposed in the primary is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. People need to see and hear other candidates. The party needs to build a bench. Whether Trump wins or not, our future will depend on others. I'm tired of candidates and presidents trying to build their legacy by foisting their choice on the voters. That's what got us here. I think we're smart enough to figure out on our own who will be beat for our country.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:42 PM (bNcG+)

Ordinarly, I would enthusiastically agree with you. This, however, is a special circumstance.

THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN. This is not the case of Daley fixing Chicago for JFK. The entire Democratic Party was in on this. It was institutionalized, and they called in all their markers to pull this off.

This is now an existential fight for Republicans. If the Dems could pull this off, every election going forward is compromised. So, for the purposes of survival, the GOP should have, as a unit, pulled all their resources to send one, unified message to America. Never Again. Instead, they'd rather lose their best vote getter for someone TBD.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (NyJoo)

322 317 All the "stuff" Ron got done was rammed through by the R majority in the legislature.
Not one item required deployment of his bully pulpit to pass.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (PFILT)

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Because the R majority in the FL legislature is larger and generally more conservative than Republicans in Congress?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

323 The Iowa caucus skews old and old Republicans love Trump. Last night was not anywhere near representative of the general electorate.
Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:43 PM (8kRtb)

I noticed that, and it made me feel a little better. But is there a primary state that skews young enough to make a difference?

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (g0Y4p)

324 293 The Iowa caucus skews old and old Republicans love Trump. Last night was not anywhere near representative of the general electorate
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In a sense yes. But young folks aren't going to turn out for sleepy Joe. Of course he's not counting on actual voters.
Posted by: Voting machines a cia cottage industry at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (386nB)

Smoking Trump with 18-29s is exactly how Joe won last time...it's like a VA race - you can lose them 60-40, or 80-20. One way, you can still win - the other way, you automatically lose...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2024 04:50 PM (exHjb)

325 However, you also need to concede that his lack of discipline cost him a lot of additional, longer-lasting achievements because they were self-inflicted injuries (not following proper procedures for E.O.s).
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I remember when the recieved wisdom of the political class was that George w Bush didn't fight back enough at his critics.

Good times. Good times....

Posted by: Where's my political FABIO!!!!! at January 16, 2024 04:50 PM (386nB)

326 On a lighter note, it's my birthday and it seems to be time to start drinking. See you later, my Horde friends!
Posted by: LASue at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM

Happy 29th!
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 16, 2024 04:21 PM (SzI2j)

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at January 16, 2024 04:50 PM (T4tVD)

327 321 275 205 Can't say I like Sponge being called out.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:35 PM (xcxpd)

I AM SPONGE!

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 04:50 PM (NyJoo)

328 Trump is Thunderlips

Trump is in the WWE Hall of Fame. So, pretty close really.

Posted by: brak at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (AR07F)

329 ace:

"Note the Deep Staters and Democrats do not urge Republicans to vote for DeSantis to stop Trump. They view DeSantis as even worse -- Trump's policies being advanced by a guy who actually knows what the fuck he's doing."

Exactly!

Posted by: Flt93_Militia at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (4MpQe)

330 >>They hate Trump because he is a vulgarian who may cost them their seat.

A vulgarian. LOL.

Yea, the oh so suave and distinguished members of Congress are really offended by a guy like Trump.

Hey remember when Ted Kennedy killed woman? Congress called him the Liberal Lion of the Senate. Then made waitress sandwiches. Half of them beat the hell out of the S&P every years cause they are also the smartest stock pickers in the world!

They hate Trump cause they know he won't play their game.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (ZLI7S)

331 I lived through the "Reagan is too old, senile, and wants to blow up the world" panic of '79 on. I missed the Goldwater prequel.

I therefor dismiss the electability arguments since the more conservative and sane a candidate is, the worse he will be attacked. DeSantis may be a cleanish slate now, but who knows what the Left will turn up and how that attack will turn out. Trump is battle tested.

I also dismiss the competence and ability to focus arguments since I have been let down too many times and Trump accomplished more than any other promising "conservative". I respect DeSantis and kind of prefer him, but I am also not convinced that skill in FLA is a good measure of skill in DC.

So I am ambidextrous.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (iCfpR)

332 Happy birthday, LASue. Don't let the zombies get you!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (C19Uv)

333 This is me holding up my sign, then I'll go back to using it as a shield/club in case things get sporty:

Trolls aside, everyone here is a moron. I'd hate to see blood in the water shed by people on the same side. I'm not here to tell you what to do, I'm only responsible for my own words but try to remember: we're all morons and all on the same side.

Now, fuck the Deep State. Fuck the Democrat Marxists. Buy ammo, food, water and look after one another.

War.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (xcxpd)

334 298 277 Nova

So, you're admitting that your grifter pals in the RePUBEiCON party are IN on the steal?
Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 04:46 PM (2VXbz)

I hate RINOs...but I know they exist.

And Trump destroys all Repubs while being friendly to Dems...so if you torch your friends and cozy up to your enemies, who's gonna back you when times get tough for you - no one, as Trump has seen.

I mean, DeSantis gets big props for being one of the few to protect Trump - why do you think Trump moved to Florida?

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (exHjb)

335 I still think the deep state will take out both Biden and Trump before election time.
Because why wouldn't they? They're already saying they will.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (MeG8a)

336 I really hate this stupid Rush Limbaugh "they'll tell you who they fear" meme.

It credits the left as being geniuses. It claims the left are geniuses, and we should just figure out what the left is thinking, and then base our plans on the left's thinking, because they're so smart and informed and have perfect information.

If the left is really so smart we should be copying their homework, why oppose them? They're the smart ones. We should just do what they say.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (KRtlO)

337 And Ace, you need to stop with the insanity. The chances Trump was not going to be the nominee were ZERO. And those chances went down precipitously once Ron DeSantis tremendous ability to "get things done" were applied to
establishing an effective campaign organization.

I mean, assume a fantasy imagination for a moment and DeSantis DID win the primary AND the general - his ability to put together an organization CLEARLY indicates that a DeSantis "administration" would be nothing but Bush, McCain, McCarthy, Paul Ryan, and Romney retreads. GOP establishment failure theater all the way down. They'd literally change NOTHING.

Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (m2gys)

338 If you think Democrats will play nice with DeSantis or another Republican is elected, you're a moron.

Posted by: snowball_santa at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (rIlbl)

339 Thank God for the Morning Report! What a shitshow.

Be sure to hit the tip jar you piece of shit Trump supporting cocksuckers!

Posted by: JROD at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (IlL6s)

340 338 War.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (xcxpd)

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Prometheus?

(I mentioned it.)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (GBKbO)

341 It might take to have Trump run so the Marxists have over the top in your face fraud

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (fwDg9)

342 Ace, can you expand on this? Has any candidate given a plausible strategy on what they would have done differently? We had Georgia kicking out election observers and pulling out hidden boxes of ballots on camera. The Republican Governor said “no problem.” Who can change that? How?

There's an entire book that's an insider account of how Rudy Giuliani refused to fight the steal and told Trump not to let anyone else do it either, even though there was pretty solid proof available.

I don't know that actually fighting it then would've helped, but I do know that not fighting it definitely hurt.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (2ocoG)

343 Alternate theory - They were pushing Ron D harder than our VPs mouth can take em but then saw they HAD to go to Haley because Ron couldn't draw flies?

I guess we just all imagined it when there was a big establishment reset meeting afterward all the usual suspects were parroting Nikki-mentum!

Ron was plan A.
Haley is plan B.

Both failed.

Posted by: Inogame at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (53oGX)

344 Is Tessa Fowler's shower routine involved in this?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:33 PM (9yWhg)

Busty
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Uber-Busty

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (9yWhg)

345 No. NH allows unaffiliated to vote in either party's primary. Affiliated voters can only vote in their own party's primary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (GBKbO)

Interesting. Tucker has it wrong then.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (tf4XU)

346
I rarely contribute to threads like this because they generate more heat than light. But let me dip a toe.

Let's assume Trump drops dead tomorrow. Do the Democrats suddenly drop all their overheated rhetoric, their insane accusations, their destructive practices?

I think we all know the answer.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (MoZTd)

347 This is going to be a very bad year, isn't it?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:49 PM (xcxpd)

Eh, probably. It also serves to get the NTers (for whatever reason) to not engage intellectually with the stolen election arguments because -he really did lose, because it confirms my biases, no matter what I saw with my own eyes. It wouldn't have mattered if Trump was just not so repellant, yada yada.

Psy op horseshit works. Tribalism works.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (di6C2)

348 If DeSantis runs such an abysmal Presidential campaign, how the fuck will he run the country? Oh but THEN he'll put all the right people in place. Sure.

Posted by: And here we go at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (SNVFk)

349 Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (m2gys)

"They'd literally change NOTHING."

So...the Trump Administration?

That's another thing: Why even want Trump to win? All these "anti-establishment" people are saying that I have to vote for Trump just because he's a Republican and Biden is a Democrat, which is about as establishment as reasoning as you can get.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (bh2Xq)

350 319 This busty brunette in the pool is resigned to a very long and contentious year:
http://tiny.cc/ppg6wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (C19Uv)

Big Mommy Milker Energy

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (xcxpd)

351 A friend of a friend told a colleague that Nikki Haley is the dirtiest of dirty whores.

Posted by: Marooned at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (kt8QE)

352 341 If the left is really so smart we should be copying their homework, why oppose them? They're the smart ones. We should just do what they say.
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (KRtlO)

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Our Intrepid DU guy occasionally brings quotes from our friends across the aisle that do the same thing.

I think it's just tea leaf reading from partisans/ideologues while trying to figure out the future. Common behavior across all political divides.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (GBKbO)

353 I'm going to bow out of this thread with the following: the 2020 election reminded me my Lord and savior is Jesus Christ, not the resident of the White House.

This is something I completely forgot when PDT was elected.

Catch all of you in the next thread and God bless.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (tT6L1)

354 The saddest thing to accept is that the country is already lost. It doesn't matter who we support or vote for; there's no winning combination, no "right" answer. It's like the Romans wondering in 475 AD "who can we choose as Emperor to turn things around?" Well it's too late, all the important choices were made years ago. After November, the country will start to break up. Not all at once, but it will be irreversible when it happens.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 16, 2024 04:30 PM (wVarQ)

A few years before that a Burgundian princelet became the head of the Roman military and thus head of the Empire in all but title. Then his older brother died and he was heir to the small area around Switzerland that they held so he went back home to become King. Becoming head of Rome wasn't worth it any more and it only was two more years before everyone abandoned the pretense in 476

Posted by: Oldcat at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (eoQWY)

355 "Note the Deep Staters and Democrats do not urge Republicans to vote for DeSantis to stop Trump. They view DeSantis as even worse -- Trump's policies being advanced by a guy who actually knows what the fuck he's doing."

Exactly!
Posted by: Flt93_Militia at January 16, 2024 04:51 PM (4MpQe)
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Right!!! EXCEPT - run a competent campaign for President

THAT he outsources to idiots, apparently. But trust us, he's otherwise totally competent.

Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (m2gys)

356 I would love to be wrong, but it strikes me as hopelessly naive to believe that the Republican Party would stand up for DeSantis when the election is stolen from him anymore than they stood up for Trump.

Posted by: Open Channel D at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (Sa0Uq)

357 Go long on canned food stuff.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (eItmL)

358 Didn't DeSantis win the election not just in "Ruby Red Florida' but in strongly Democrat Palm Beach County?

Oh yeah, he did. He did flip one of the bluest counties in the country.

I guess he's just lucky having that ruby red legislature behind him!

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (KRtlO)

359 All the "stuff" Ron got done was rammed through by the R majority in the legislature.
Not one item required deployment of his bully pulpit to pass.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (PFILT)

Wow! That must mean he had nothing to do with it, not that he found it more productive to work behind the scenes than to scream on Twitter! You sure have opened my eyes!

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (g0Y4p)

360 That the highly praised Pompeo by the Trump supporters ( who is now part of the group of declared traitors) when asked if he was going to support Trump's 2024 run answered ' Oh God No ' tells me insider knowledge is something we don't want to know about Trump.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (/2Hy+)

361 @335

>>Hey remember when Ted Kennedy killed woman?

Teddy and Chris Dodd sandwiched a female paige and their good friends across the aisle guffawed.

Oh and Madison Cawthorne says Congress is full of homos, pervs and pedophiles and is hounded out of office.

Say, where is that list of Congressman and Senators who got their little indiscretions paid for and papered over on the taxpayers dime?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (XV/Pl)

362 96
For Desantis, he announces a "controversial-according-to-the-media" policy after making sure his right-hand men and women have done their homework.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 16, 2024 04:23 PM (a/dOO)
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But, ...., what if those RH men and women turn out to be just like Trump's - "yes sir" and then do nothing or the opposite behind his back. Sure he'll check up but then what? The job is still not done. Also remember The Turtle McConnell who never recessed the Senate so that Trump couldn't make recess appointments? How would Ron fight his own party?

Posted by: Ciampino - Polls are utter rubbish. Do not quote then to support your argument at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (qfLjt)

363 350 No. NH allows unaffiliated to vote in either party's primary. Affiliated voters can only vote in their own party's primary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:47 PM (GBKbO)

Interesting. Tucker has it wrong then.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (tf4XU)

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It helps to look up the rules oneself. This stuff isn't hidden in a cabinet behind a sign that says, "beware of the leopard."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (GBKbO)

364 Ace: personally attacking me for my opinion, I will fucking ban you...

Also Ace: or whatever small-brained retards like Sponge say.

Interesting? Seems tad harsh to me.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (ju2Fy)

365 Smoking Trump with 18-29s is exactly how Joe won last time.
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If you think 81 million people voted for Joe Biden, when only 69 million voted for jugears. I can't help you.

Posted by: Where's my political FABIO!!!!! at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (386nB)

366 There's an entire book that's an insider account of how Rudy Giuliani refused to fight the steal and told Trump not to let anyone else do it either, even though there was pretty solid proof available.

I don't know that actually fighting it then would've helped, but I do know that not fighting it definitely hurt.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (2ocoG)

Sounds like bullshit. There was a pretty extensive legal effort and Giuliani was pretty involved and active through the whole affair.

Given the method used to shut it down, that is simply shutting it out of courts entirely, I don't think there's much that can be done on the legal team side of things. You'd need different judges.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (eYoxG)

367 286 Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:41 PM (m2gys)

Donald Trump got smoked by Joe Biden in 2020. And before you whine that it was rigged - an actual winner doesn't find himself in situations where he's crying about being cheated out of victory.
Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:45 PM (bh2Xq)
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Go the fuck away, troll. Anyone peddling that idiocy here is a braindead mouthbreather.

Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (m2gys)

368 I rarely contribute to threads like this because they generate more heat than light. But let me dip a toe.

Let's assume Trump drops dead tomorrow. Do the Democrats suddenly drop all their overheated rhetoric, their insane accusations, their destructive practices?

I think we all know the answer.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (MoZTd)

You are a wiser man than I, Hadrian. I have typed deleted a lot so far.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (di6C2)

369 This busty brunette in the pool is resigned to a very long and contentious year:
http://tiny.cc/ppg6wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (C19Uv)

She makes me feel condescended to.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (yyfQG)

370 361 I would love to be wrong, but it strikes me as hopelessly naive to believe that the Republican Party would stand up for DeSantis when the election is stolen from him anymore than they stood up for Trump.
Posted by: Open Channel D at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (Sa0Uq)

THIS. 1000X THIS.

DeSantis is Not of the Body. They aren't supporting that guy. At all.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (NyJoo)

371 Bill Kristol is an "ex-Republican?"
Don't care except I hope he finally found a shirt that fits.

Posted by: wth at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (v0R5T)

372 E. Jean Carroll case: Two potential jurors say they believed the 2020 presidential election was stolen

its not the ones who answer truthfully I worry about. It's the sniveling cowards who sit there and lie, knowing they are i the tank for the asshat. NY could easily have 20% magats floating around in jury pools, and not all of them will be honest during questions.

They should be able to check their voting history and check social media. Keep MAGA off the jury.

two of them. you'd think it was 10 of them the way the media covers only them. these are the fringe, not the mainstream. there is hope in that.

maybe they just really don't want to serve on the jury?

All of the election deniers have no evidence. They’re perpetrating a complete fiction and a fairy tale. More in the media should ask, “Where is the evidence”?

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (JCZqz)

373 This busty brunette in the pool is resigned to a very long and contentious year:
http://tiny.cc/ppg6wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

She's giving me that "come hither" look.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (9yWhg)

374 Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (g0Y4p)

Florida is just wasting money having a Governor !!!

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (/2Hy+)

375 Damn ace, stop posting during "that time of the month."

Posted by: Andy Latimer at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (UL4/r)

376 Ron is really low class. If he raped someone it'd probably be in a Dillard's.

Posted by: I'm Just Here For The Violence at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (pjs7m)

377 >>>363 You can't spell 'disingenuous little shit' without the letters a-c-e.

Posted by: Ace dreams of John McCain

you're a stupid, insignificant troll, and one of the many, many small, meaningless men who feel "large in the power of Trump," and have ignored you offering the same insult for two days because you are such a loser scumbag with so little of your own life to be proud of.

But rock on, Trump Hero Worshipper Who Is Way, WAAAYYY Too Old to Still be Worshipping Heroes.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

378 If Republicans want the Democrats to pick their candidate so that the election won't matter, then Brown Hillary is your gal.

Posted by: leber at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (rovGg)

379 329. Nova

No, Trump lost in 2020 because 5 Districts decided to "count" votes North Korea style. And I find it hilarious that you DeSantis folks think Mr. "Five Week Abortion Ban" would stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning in the Abortion Barbie Mecca commonly referred to as VA! Or PA and MI for that matter.

Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (2VXbz)

380 Yeah, the wall is why Ann Coulter hates Trump now.

And the only possible Step 2 I see is that Biden continues to f**k up the country and the world so bad that even moderate Dems will vote for Trump. For me I would have preferred DeSantis, but Trump is the offer on the table. Biden or Trump? No contest.

Posted by: PJ at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (G1dq6)

381 "press 'popcorn' twice for single bag microwave popcorn, press stop when popping decreases to two or three per second."

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (/HDaX)

382 379 They should be able to check their voting history and check social media. Keep MAGA off the jury.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (JCZqz)

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Trump supporters have no place in any government function at all, huh?

That's pretty exclusionary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (GBKbO)

383 Interesting? Seems tad harsh to me.
Posted by: olddog
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Keep it up and you get a helicopter ride from ace airlines.

Posted by: Where's my political FABIO!!!!! at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (386nB)

384 Go the fuck away, troll. Anyone peddling that idiocy here is a braindead mouthbreather.

Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (m2gys)

Donald Trump was so incompetent, he lost re-election to the worst Democratic campaign in my lifetime (save Hillary's).

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (bh2Xq)

385 364 Didn't DeSantis win the election not just in "Ruby Red Florida' but in strongly Democrat Palm Beach County?

Oh yeah, he did. He did flip one of the bluest counties in the country.

I guess he's just lucky having that ruby red legislature behind him!
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (KRtlO)

Was that in his first run? I recall that being very close, and the man doesn't get to be President for 4 years and clean up elections before running in the general.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (eYoxG)

386 Those are my last words for a while. You can reject them as you like, but if you attempt to bully me and use SJW tactics to shut up dissenters by personally attacking me for my opinion, I will fucking ban you and I will bring my own SJW intimidation tactics to you. Fair is fair.
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What the fuck does this gay shit even mean ?

Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (m2gys)

387 >>> Great leaders find a way to win. That's what Trump did with the military override to start building the wall in order to get around Hawaii judges.

FWIW
Trump stood up a Corps of Engineers Division to build the wall. The Division had multiple Districts* within it. They had shitloads of staff, contracts, and materials in the pipeline when the coup-coup was staged. Rather than looking towards national security the Junta had terminated all these contracts (and paid all unrealized profits), sold the materials as scrap, and stood down the Division.

*Trivia Time - The most famous District of them all?

Manhattan District, from which the Manhattan Project was named.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (cOq4q)

388 Only one path forward to unite a fractured party.

A Romney /Jeb ticket.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (8kRtb)

389 Prometheus?

(I mentioned it.)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:52 PM (GBKbO)

God, I hate that movie.
I hate the characters, I hate the Alien tie in, I hate the hard core athletics mere moments after a cesarian operation, I hate the rolling donut of doom, I hate 'drop and roll to the right 3 times to be safe from said rolling donut of doom. And so much more.

Michael Fassbender was good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (xcxpd)

390 The left has really done a number on Trump. Now everyone thinks he's a disreputable, corrupt insurrectionist. As if he took illegal drugs and will be excluded from the Presidents' Hall of Fame. He is the embodiment of the patriarchy, the one person in the world whom it is OK to hate and despise. He's not our type, dear.
Even though I enjoy caviar and truffles (but not every day, alas), I liked it when there were hamburgers in the White House. Besides, hamburgers with truffles can be pretty good.
The left can do this to absolutely anyone. It controls all the glossy magazines etc. and is coordinated. If DeSantis had been chosen, worse would have been done to him, including accusations of sexual harassment, binders full of women, and whatnot.
Distancing oneself from Trump does not help. It just shows a lack of imagination, plus perhaps another quality that starts with c. Americans have been browbeaten into submission.
Again, it does not help. Even though you never say or write MAGA nowadays, they'll still have you classified as one of those disreputable MAGA types.

Posted by: PG at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (gQbO4)

391 391 Was that in his first run? I recall that being very close, and the man doesn't get to be President for 4 years and clean up elections before running in the general.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (eYoxG)

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I want DeSantis' team to clean up Philadelphia. That'd be great.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (GBKbO)

392 >>>and be out of the race by March, then he can go back to Florida and duke it out with Scott or Rubio for one of their seats.
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That'll be a hard pull. Rubio's got the ethnic attraction and gentle appearing Scott's tough and smart.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (jaRIy)

393 Does corpulent Cap'n Bill have an audience?
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 16, 2024 04:09 PM (yyfQG)

Door Dash loves him. Also the Toe.
Posted by: LASue at January 16, 2024 04:12 PM (llS7k)
.....

also shirt button replacers.

Posted by: wth at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (v0R5T)

394 No they hate Trump because he often sounds like a self ingratiating used car salesman. When people check the receipts, they realize they didn't get most of what they paid for. Now people are hungry for change and to get things done. They want someone with a lot of potential to execute on their promises, not someone who's mostly good at long winded I, me ,mine diatribes. DeSantis has been very good at getting things done. He's a horrible speaker. I'm thinking maybe that's a plus. Vivek was quick on his feet and pretty consistent with what he stated. He wasn't afraid to take people on. Those are both good qualities, not something to scoff at and be addressed with ad homonyms because you're too shallow to respond in a material thoughtful way.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (bNcG+)

395 If you think 81 million people voted for Joe Biden, when only 69 million voted for jugears. I can't help you.
Posted by: Where's my political FABIO!!!!! at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (386nB)

Well the Democrats certainly don't believe it. No need to ban him from the ballot if he's just going to lose and everybody loves old Joe and prices aren't rising and we aren't in the middle of WWIII and losing it badly.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (eoQWY)

396
She's giving me that "come hither" look.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

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No, she's giving that look to Chad with the Gulfstream and the million-dollar expense account. Unless you're Chad, good fellow you are, she's telling you to get lost.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (MoZTd)

397 371 Smoking Trump with 18-29s is exactly how Joe won last time.
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If you think 81 million people voted for Joe Biden, when only 69 million voted for jugears. I can't help you.
Posted by: Where's my political FABIO!!!!! at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (386nB)

I think more people voted for Biden than we think...heck, they actually just did a deep dive in a VA NoVa County and found out they UNDERcounted BIDEN by 2K votes...and this was an audit of the votes...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (exHjb)

398 Our biggest problem is that a GOP legislature is not particularly supportive of right-wing goals, if not actively obstructing them.

The electability argument for proposed alternative candidates I always found dubious, and polling no longer really supports it.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 04:19 PM (eYoxG)

Somehow being able to only garner a fifth of the base translates into better electability slips right past me until you remember they will just break out the tried and true lesser of two evils and a non vote is just as good as a dem vote tripe... because they really do want 2004 back...

Posted by: Inogame at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (53oGX)

399 395 God, I hate that movie.
I hate the characters, I hate the Alien tie in, I hate the hard core athletics mere moments after a cesarian operation, I hate the rolling donut of doom, I hate 'drop and roll to the right 3 times to be safe from said rolling donut of doom. And so much more.

Michael Fassbender was good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (xcxpd)

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But the smoke machines! God, I love how Ridley uses those smoke machines!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (GBKbO)

400 "Jesus could run for Republican President and the Marxists still would fraud the election so they don't lose"

Well, maybe anybody except Jesus. I mean next time he comes, it will be in power. Any day now .... better than SMOD.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (Cus5s)

401 >>>Let's assume Trump drops dead tomorrow. Do the Democrats suddenly drop all their overheated rhetoric, their insane accusations, their destructive practices?

I think we all know the answer.

no, but you guys continue pushing the same meme: That there is NOTHING at all toxic or dislikable about Trump's personality -- nothing! He's as loveable as a puppy! -- and so the hate the left has for him naturally, easily shifts to DeSantis upon the snap of fingers.

Nonsense. Nonsense. Trump goes out of his way to disgust people. You guys applaud, because you say he's "infuriating the right people," but this is a Trump-only thing. No one except Trump enjoys playing the wrestling heel.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (KRtlO)

402 Posted by: Ace dreams of John McCain at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (OjHyA)

Uh.....your new around here........

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (eItmL)

403 If more than 50% of the GOP base (as seen in polls, spit) think the 2020 election was stolen, do you appeal to them by just approaching 2020 like it was fine?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:39 PM (GBKbO)

This ^^

Ron let it slip (yes, out of context) that there is an idea that the Meat Puppet won. I would still vote for him if he had pulled his campaign's head out of its ass after that fiasco. But that was a big middle finger to all of the people that still have their Trump signs up in their yards. Those people are why Trump beat Hilary, and they don't come cheap.

Posted by: Catherine at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (ZSsrh)

404 >>Florida turned "ruby red" AFTER they experienced DeSantis and AFTER he cleaned up the election system. DeSantis won his 2018 election by 0.4% in what was the quintessential purple state.

One of these things is not like the other. Yes, Ron got rid of the criminals in Dade County but what that exposed is that state has always been more Republican than some of the previous voting showed. He didn't make the state more Republican, he allowed it to be shown. Good for him. And he never would have been in the job if Trump hadn't pushed him over the top. He would have lost to a gay crackhead. His last election was against a serial party switcher who barely campaigned and got almost zero party support.

So let's stop pretending that Ron is some electoral dynamo. He spent a year and $100 million trying to win Iowa and he get smoked. No matter how many times DeSantis supporters claim that Ron inspires all kind of voters there is absolutely no evidence that is true. He's going to take 3rd in NH and 3rd in SC and if he stays in long enough he will lose Florida to Trump.

Ron is a nice guy and a good governor. The people, not just here but across the country, want Trump. That's reality.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (ZLI7S)

405 Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 04:54 PM (NyJoo)

Hey, I kind of like my new hash. A pity it probably won't be there for long.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (NyJoo)

406 If DeSantis runs such an abysmal Presidential campaign, how the fuck will he run the country? Oh but THEN he'll put all the right people in place. Sure.
Posted by: And here we go at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (SNVFk)

Once more for the learning-challenged: it is not DeSantis' fault that a large chunk of GOP voters are idiots who refuse to even consider looking at anyone else, because Trump is Jesus and has a Reckoning planned for November. Or something.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (g0Y4p)

407 Though I would like to be able to vote for DeSantis I think he should drop out after SC if he doesn't get within 10 points of Trump there and in NH.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (/2Hy+)

408 As long as the GOP allows states to mail out ballots to all registered voters, they will lose those states. It is illegal to do so but in 2020 they did it anyways.

Posted by: TheITGuy at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (bsV7y)

409 The left has really done a number on Trump. Now everyone thinks he's a disreputable, corrupt insurrectionist. A
Posted by: PG at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (gQbO4)

Ironically, Leftists love disreputable, corrupt insurrectionists without exception.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (eoQWY)

410 Remember we'll all be on the same side when they start rounding us up for the camps.

Posted by: brak at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (AR07F)

411
Trump supporters have no place in any government function at all, huh?

That's pretty exclusionary.
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Right. We can do without 74 million voting aged americans.

Posted by: These are real people, not made up ballots at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (386nB)

412 Ron has more passionate supporters on the internet than in real life.

That is the beginning of the reason he was never going to win.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 04:59 PM (PFILT)

413 5. The left stole an election from Trump and GOT AWAY WITH IT CLEAN. They have no guarantees they can get away with it with DeSantis. But with Trump -- they know they can get away with it, because THEY ALREADY DID.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (KRtlO)

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I'm thinking they blew their load with this tactic in 2020, and in 2024 even normies won't be falling for the banana in the tailpipe again.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at January 16, 2024 04:59 PM (YynD5)

414 Ace, I prefer Trump as a candidate, but I can't imagine how anyone can pretend that you and the AOS regulars here for DeSantis are anything but thoughtful and independent patriots. Much respect for you always!

Posted by: Jewish Odysseus at January 16, 2024 04:59 PM (bvp+i)

415 Biggest mistake Trump made was signing that Omnibus bill right before they stole the election from him.
I really wanted a government shutdown. Still do.

Posted by: wth at January 16, 2024 04:59 PM (v0R5T)

416 No way.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (ytSiK)

417 >>>And I find it hilarious that you DeSantis folks think Mr. "Five Week Abortion Ban" would stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning in the Abortion Barbie Mecca commonly referred to as VA! Or PA and MI for that matter.

So Trump is NOT the Pro-Life Warrior that many of his supporters claim he is...? Better tell them, because they're convinced he's totally committed to the pro-life cause.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (KRtlO)

418 I want DeSantis' team to clean up Philadelphia. That'd be great.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (GBKbO)

They may have to use nuclear force.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (aD39U)

419 413 I'm thinking they blew their load with this tactic in 2020, and in 2024 even normies won't be falling for the banana in the tailpipe again.
Posted by: Brisco County Sr at January 16, 2024 04:59 PM (YynD5)

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They did it a whole bunch in 2022, too. 250,000 illegal mail in ballots in PA alone. Illegal levels of signature verification in AZ. Detroit still just making up results.

Dear lord, I do hope the American people decide that that's enough. It'd be a nice change of pace, but I suspect we're going to be seeing just further accelerated migrations out of blue states.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (GBKbO)

420 408 As long as the GOP allows states to mail out ballots to all registered voters, they will lose those states. It is illegal to do so but in 2020 they did it anyways.
Posted by: TheITGuy at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (bsV7y)

And thus why both candidates got tons more votes...Trump didn't get more popular in 2020...it was just WAY easier to vote for him...

Biden may have had fraud in certain states, but he also just had voters able to also vote easily for him thanks to new absentee and mail in laws for Covid...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (exHjb)

421 There is a reason I stay out of the politics threads. No Moron is convinced by another Moron's comments about a candidate. It leads to bad blood and often flounces. This site is a gem and pissing on each other is detrimental to the blog and fellow Morons.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (5FnZt)

422 Trump is going to kill the down ticket like he did 2018, 2020, and 2024.

Coattails? More like banana peels.

Posted by: WisRich at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (G0vdT)

423 The left stole an election from Trump and GOT AWAY WITH IT CLEAN. They have no guarantees they can get away with it with DeSantis. But with Trump -- they know they can get away with it, because THEY ALREADY DID.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:26 PM (KRtlO)
.......

Newsom will show no mercy.

Posted by: wth at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (v0R5T)

424 355 319 This busty brunette in the pool is resigned to a very long and contentious year:
http://tiny.cc/ppg6wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 16, 2024 04:48 PM (C19Uv)

Big Mommy Milker Energy
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (xcxpd)

Young fool.

http://tinyurl.com/24c2y5x5

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (di6C2)

425 "We can do without 74 million voting aged americans."

Working on it boss.

Posted by: WEF at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (VMFAF)

426 "There was a pretty extensive legal effort and Giuliani was pretty involved and active through the whole affair."

Trump's team had a plan but it was based on framing his case to SCOTUS as a state v. state complaint so that SCOTUS had original jurisdiction. But then they got blocked at the courthouse door on a 7 to 2 vote. Can you guess the two?

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (Gse2f)

427 The people, not just here but across the country, want Trump. That's reality.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (ZLI7S)

No. YOU want Trump. Most people do not, as evidenced by Trump and his candidates getting smoked for three election cycles in a row, soon to be four.

If winning a primary meant that "the people" wanted you, go tell Kari Lake, Blake Masters, Dr. Oz, Herschel Walker, Doug Mastriano, Tim Michel, John Gibbs, Sarah Palin, and a cavalcade of other Trump losers the good news.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (bh2Xq)

428 353 If DeSantis runs such an abysmal Presidential campaign, how the fuck will he run the country? Oh but THEN he'll put all the right people in place. Sure.

Posted by: And here we go at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (SNVFk)

I have some top secret inside knowledge that is about to blow your mind: Donald Trump is really popular among Republicans.

What? I know, right? Just crazy. But it's true. So actually, failing to beat Trump in a Republican primary is NOT proof that one is an incompetent idiot. It's also not nearly as relevant to being effective implementing policy in office as, say, demonstrating effectiveness implementing policy in office. Trump gets a lot of heat, but I have to say, his own supporters don't represent him very well.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (YQ4mh)

429 Trump is, in my opinion, a stupid selfish asshole who would rather burn the party and the country down than hand the reins to someone who might possibly be more viable.

I find those terms...acceptable. Considering all the shit he's going through, when he could have just lain low and disappeared...he obviously wants it, and will fight for it. He fights dirty, too, which is good, because it's not going to be a fair fight.

On paper, I think DeSantis would be a better president. I kind of (still) feel the same about Ted Cruz. Both, however, have some weird charisma issue that turns lots of normies off. Unfortunately, most Americans are dumb and shallow, and that hurts both of them severely in national, general elections. Again...Trump increased his vote total by around 18% between 2016 and 2020, with a respectable amount coming from minority voters the DNC depends on. I don't fully understand how or why, but it's real, and it matters.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (JCZqz)

430 399 395 God, I hate that movie.
I hate the characters, I hate the Alien tie in, I hate the hard core athletics mere moments after a cesarian operation, I hate the rolling donut of doom, I hate 'drop and roll to the right 3 times to be safe from said rolling donut of doom. And so much more.

Michael Fassbender was good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (xcxpd)

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But the smoke machines! God, I love how Ridley uses those smoke machines!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (GBKbO)

Ridley Scott knows how to point a camera. It's very visually appealing. But from a character and storytelling viewpoint....grrr.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (xcxpd)

431 Trump supporters have no place in any government function at all, huh?

That's pretty exclusionary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (GBKbO)

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Degradation. Exclusion. Intolerance.

Posted by: ShainS at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (N5BZT)

432 If you think 81 million people voted for Joe Biden, when only 69 million voted for jugears. I can't help you.

—-

In my very red county turnout in 2020 was 68% vs 61% in 2016. Turnout increased everywhere. Comparing 2020 with 2008 is silly.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (8kRtb)

433 hallelujah it's 39° F outside

30 degrees warmer than yesterday
the truck and the house plumbing survived the cold

Posted by: Don Black at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (geLO8)

434 The rules for 2020 general election (and this 2022-24) where funded and signed for by Trump himself.

Mail in Ballots? Dems were ready with the machine for that.

Trump and the RNC? Told people not not use MIB and ballot harvesting was a joke and non existent. Trump then tells voters not to vote in highly contested Senate races.

He helped create the machine, fund it and bring the monster to life....then cried about it.

Won't be any different in 2024. I haven't heard diddly about the Right and specifically the Trump campaign actually doing anything in this regard.

If that's the case.....game over.

Posted by: SomeGuy at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (u0VgJ)

435 430 Ridley Scott knows how to point a camera. It's very visually appealing. But from a character and storytelling viewpoint....grrr.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (xcxpd)

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If we could return to a time when elections meant things, would you watch Prometheus and write a positive review?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (GBKbO)

436 I want DeSantis' team to clean up Philadelphia. That'd be great.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (GBKbO)

They may have to use nuclear force.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (aD39U)

Acceptable.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (g0Y4p)

437 Young fool.

http://tinyurl.com/24c2y5x5
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (di6C2)

Those eyes....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (xcxpd)

438 Trump is a unique, god-like figure. Nobody can match him.

The hate for Trump will be transferred to any other candidate.

One of these is not like the other.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (bNcG+)

439
How has the Schumer-Lankford border deal been presented on this website? I dunno, I haven't seen one word about it on this blog.

It was. You missed it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (63Dwl)

440 I'm 100% with ace. While I voted for Orangeman twice, and I will again if I'm forced to - I'm not pleased about it. I'd really rather have someone who has a proven record of advancing our agenda... granted in a friendly environment but advancing it nonetheless.

Trump... he just trips over his own dick too much. It's always one step forward (SCOTUS confirmations), and either one (lack of border wall) or two steps back (COVID response).

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (QJFbp)

441 >>>414 Ace, I prefer Trump as a candidate, but I can't imagine how anyone can pretend that you and the AOS regulars here for DeSantis are anything but thoughtful and independent patriots. Much respect for you always!

thank you. I just don't think Trump can win, and unlike some, I am not cool with the idea that "when they steal the election from trump a SECOND time, then they'll REALLY have unmasked themselves!"

We've had 63 million unmaskings. There is little to be gained from fresh unmaskings. Certainly it's not worth giving an elecition away to get more unmaskings.

I know Trump supporters feel outrage at how he was treated, and I understand that, 100%. IF THIS WERE A MOVIE, THE PERFECT ENDING WOULD BE TRUMP COMING BACK AND GETTING HIS JUST VENGEANCE.

But this is NOT a movie.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (KRtlO)

442 406 If DeSantis runs such an abysmal Presidential campaign, how the fuck will he run the country? Oh but THEN he'll put all the right people in place. Sure.
Posted by: And here we go at January 16, 2024 04:53 PM (SNVFk)

Once more for the learning-challenged: it is not DeSantis' fault that a large chunk of GOP voters are idiots who refuse to even consider looking at anyone else, because Trump is Jesus and has a Reckoning planned for November. Or something.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (g0Y4p)

If he can't persuade people who are more predisposed to hear him due to similarity in policy preferences, how is he supposed to persuade people who are predisposed to ignore him?

It'd be one thing if DeSantis were demonstrating noteworthy results in his primary campaign, but he isn't. So far he just looks like an ordinary also-ran and isn't demonstrating significant campaigning skills.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (eYoxG)

443 >>> Biggest mistake Trump made was signing that Omnibus bill right before they stole the election from him.
I really wanted a government shutdown. Still do.
Posted by: wth at January 16, 2024 04:59 PM (v0R5T)

Trump will always negotiate. Art of the deal and all that.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (Wabrb)

444 As I said last night, DeSantis won my precinct (heavily Republican area) but Trump won the precinct caucusing next to us, and they were about half the size. DeSantis and Haley's surrogate speakers threw some barbs at Trump, while basically trying to out-MAGA him. My mom's precinct went for Trump, but she had a similar experience and said it felt like an NRA meeting with all the shooting. :-P

Posted by: pookysgirl, with dispatches from the Hawkeye Caucii at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (dtlDP)

445 Once more for the learning-challenged: it is not DeSantis' fault that a large chunk of GOP voters are idiots who refuse to even consider looking at anyone else, because Trump is Jesus and has a Reckoning planned for November. Or something.
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Not a compelling endorsement for the gov. I dont strongly dislike him, as much as I see him as a tool in the hands of a hysterical mob. Much like Trump. Except Trump is a flaming torch, and Ron is a shovel. A little dull, but if you swing it just right, it will cut.

Posted by: These are real people, not made up ballots at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (386nB)

446 I would love to be wrong, but it strikes me as hopelessly naive to believe that the Republican Party would stand up for DeSantis when the election is stolen from him anymore than they stood up for Trump.
Posted by: Open Channel D
This ^^^
I love DeSantis. And I think he's a great governor.
But in my opinion, it's laughable to think they wouldn't dare steal the election from him like they did Trump.
What's gonna stop them?
Same as last time. Nothing.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (dr4Q1)

447
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (KRtlO)

___________

*polite cough*

Without going into detail, my feelings about Trump are not all that far from yours.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (MoZTd)

448 Florida has no income tax and, after the latest bond repayment a couple weeks ago, has the lowest debt per capita of the fifty states. Even compared to Obama's 57 states, Florida is best.

I like this.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (40F+c)

449 @409

>>Those people are why Trump beat Hilary, and they don't come cheap.

If Ron had simply said, yes the 2020 election was stolen, because Democrats are filthy thieves, they tried to steal my election, and we stopped them and fixed our processes, Trump can't do this but I can, and this how.... and we're building that wall, and we're sending these wetbacks home and a f**k Zelensky and McConnel too and yada yada yada.

He'd probably have my vote and lot of other peoples votes, but he's trying to triangulate and parse and that's not a good look.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (XV/Pl)

450 435 430 Ridley Scott knows how to point a camera. It's very visually appealing. But from a character and storytelling viewpoint....grrr.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 05:01 PM (xcxpd)

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If we could return to a time when elections meant things, would you watch Prometheus and write a positive review?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (GBKbO)

I also want a puppy. I get clean elections and a puppy and I'll write a positive review of Prometheus with minimal sarcasm.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (xcxpd)

451 So will the Never Trumpers support the steal in 2024 just to be "right"?

Posted by: pawn at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (QB+5g)

452 I'm with you Ace. I wish things were different but wishing is useless, just like the Republican party has proved to be.

Posted by: Wicklow at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (uH65w)

453 Just remembering all those posts between '16 and '20 that said "I'm almost getting tired of winning so much..."

Posted by: neverBiden at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (eIGHH)

454 I think we all know the answer.

no, but you guys continue pushing the same meme: That there is NOTHING at all toxic or dislikable about Trump's personality -- nothing! He's as loveable as a puppy! -- and so the hate the left has for him naturally, easily shifts to DeSantis upon the snap of fingers.

Nonsense. Nonsense. Trump goes out of his way to disgust people. You guys applaud, because you say he's "infuriating the right people," but this is a Trump-only thing. No one except Trump enjoys playing the wrestling heel.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (KRtlO)

Ace, you're right on this score. Trump's 'obnoxity' is baked in his cake. I know a lot of Republicans in CT who like Darling Nikki because they think that she's Trump without the rough edges. Seriously. I, of course see the opposite, but I do hear this from people. Obstensively conservative people.

That said, I struggle to see where Trump is really obnoxious, rather than how the MFM projected his tweets. In live press conferences - and he had many of them - he gave back what he was getting from the press, but he was never boorish. I think that was a media construction that people bought into.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (NyJoo)

455 441 I know Trump supporters feel outrage at how he was treated, and I understand that, 100%. IF THIS WERE A MOVIE, THE PERFECT ENDING WOULD BE TRUMP COMING BACK AND GETTING HIS JUST VENGEANCE.

But this is NOT a movie.
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (KRtlO)

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I simply don't think Democrats will let go of power, no matter who is up.

I'll vote for DeSantis in the NC primary, though, and we'll see if it matters at all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (GBKbO)

456 410 Dr. T

"It is not DeSantis' fault that a large chunk of GOP voters are idiots"

So pinky up and establishment of you. You'd fit right in at a Bush family cocktail party.

Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (2VXbz)

457 What the fuck does this gay shit even mean ?
Posted by: deadrody at January 16, 2024 04:56 PM (m2gys)

Pretty clear to me . I guess you're trying to test it.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (/2Hy+)

458 Thing is, if Dems just "stay home", their ballots may magically appear anyway, sometime after midnight.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (Cus5s)

459 Those eyes....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 05:02 PM (xcxpd)

Ewa Sonnet.

And before you ask: Yes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (di6C2)

460 Removed the DeSantis sign from the lawn today. Have fun following Trump off the cliff, again.

Posted by: Strelnikov at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (Jg3Pb)

461 There is a reason I stay out of the politics threads. No Moron is convinced by another Moron's comments about a candidate. It leads to bad blood and often flounces. This site is a gem and pissing on each other

And that's what makes it fun!

Now, about that Lincoln fellow...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (9yWhg)

462 450 I also want a puppy. I get clean elections and a puppy and I'll write a positive review of Prometheus with minimal sarcasm.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (xcxpd)

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*gets back to work on time machine*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (GBKbO)

463 >>Once more for the learning-challenged: it is not DeSantis' fault that a large chunk of GOP voters are idiots who refuse to even consider looking at anyone else, because Trump is Jesus and has a Reckoning planned for November. Or something.

Once more for the condescending douchebags, maybe you're wrong and people have examined potential candidates as much as you have, weighed their positives and negatives, and came to a different conclusion than you.

I don't know when DeSantis supporters decided they were the authority and anyone who disagreed with them is a braindead cultist but you might want to consider that you are your candidates worst enemy when you act that way. Some of you couldn't sell water in the Sahara Desert.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (ZLI7S)

464 Ron is a nice guy and a good governor. The people, not just here but across the country, want Trump. That's reality.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 04:58 PM (ZLI7S)

Change "people" to "Republicans" and I agree with you. I don't think it's debatable. I do think it is a bit of a longshot for Trump to win the *general* election (including the certainty of the Democrats stealing the election again like 2020 if they need to).

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (YQ4mh)

465 So DeSantis is a walking dead man, even though he's perfect in every way. Trump on the other hand is a disgusting, low rent prick but he's walking all over Desantis and packs stadiums with a bunch of stupid retarded supporters. Like me. I'm OK with that. When DeSantis has to crawl back to Florida, these threads will be the reason I have a Schadenboner.

Posted by: And here we go at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (SNVFk)

466 I simply don't think Democrats will let go of power, no matter who is up.

It's not a matter of party. It's a matter of generation. Always has been.

Posted by: By The Time I Get to Phoenix at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (z1SBr)

467 A forgettable back-bencher who was invisible by both media and merit during his tenure in Congress suddenly now knows how DC operates and will whip them to his will?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (PFILT)

468 > I'm thinking they blew their load with this tactic in 2020, and in 2024 even normies won't be falling for the banana in the tailpipe again.

ace has a followup that explains further. The presidential theft required GOP cooperation. We already know the GOP will cooperate to steal the Presidency if the candidate is Trump. With a different candidate, it's possible the GOP doesn't cooperate.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (Odg76)

469 If it only were the last. It isn't.

Posted by: DOYLE at January 16, 2024 05:06 PM (Z8Yh2)

470 >>> But this is NOT a movie.
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 05:03 PM (KRtlO)

It's a Shakespearean tragedy. All the characters do all the bad things they were foreshadowed to do but the audience hates.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 16, 2024 05:06 PM (Wabrb)

471 Ace is trying, Ringo. He's trying REAL HARD to be the shepherd.

Posted by: Elephantiasis GOP at January 16, 2024 05:06 PM (9vfvx)

472 Dr. T

"It is not DeSantis' fault that a large chunk of GOP voters are idiots"

So pinky up and establishment of you. You'd fit right in at a Bush family cocktail party.
Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (2VXbz)

Except they wouldn't let him in.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 16, 2024 05:06 PM (eoQWY)

473
And now, to throw water on a grease fire that already had gasoline thrown on it...

I don't think the 2022 losses were a Trump thing. I think the Dobbs decision played a huge role. I've read at least one hard pro-lifer (can't remember who, and the article might even have been at LifeNews) who looked at all the results and came to that conclusion. He said pro-lifers underestimated or misunderstood American resistance to severe restrictions on abortion. So I'm not blaming Trump for down-ballot losses.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at January 16, 2024 05:06 PM (ueFIi)

474 Nood

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 16, 2024 05:07 PM (R4t5M)

475 R's need minority voters and traditional D working class whites to show up and vote. They will only do this in large enough numbers to make a difference if Trump is on the ticket. Every ballot marked by a real voter can't be used to cheat. Or at least I hope so.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 16, 2024 05:07 PM (fs1hN)

476 @471

>>Ace is trying, Ringo. He's trying REAL HARD to be the shepherd.

So who's the bad man and who's the righteous man in this scenario.

But more importantly, where is the bad mother f**ker wallet?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 16, 2024 05:07 PM (XV/Pl)

477 But rock on, Trump Hero Worshipper Who Is Way, WAAAYYY Too Old to Still be Worshipping Heroes.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 04:55 PM (KRtlO)

Ace, I apologize. I banned the troll before I saw that you wanted to bat him around a bit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 16, 2024 05:07 PM (gSZYf)

478 When DeSantis has to crawl back to Florida, these threads will be the reason I have a Schadenboner.

Posted by: And here we go at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (SNVFk)

What about when Trump is invariably found guilty on the 90 or so felonies they've indicted him for? Will you have a Schadenboner then?

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 05:07 PM (bh2Xq)

479 But they don't want to admit that, because they're too busy trying to convince Republicans to vote for Democrats. They can't admit their real objection to Trump is that he's too conservative for them. -ace-

This guy Trump, he's no conservative by any stretch.
He's an America-first populist, which is why to actual conservatives he seems all over the board with no idealogical roots.
They hate that he thinks of Americans and not just the super rich ones first.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 16, 2024 05:08 PM (FCbAQ)

480 Trump will be the nominee if they don't murder him.

Prepare.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

This is a distinct possibility.

And....another thing. I think Ron DeSantis is a fine guy and could be a pretty good President. His problem has been his poor campaigning.

But...it won't make any difference. DeSantis, Trump, Ron Reagan...at this point, the thing is just broken.
People that have "hope" that Trump "WILL FIX THINGS" are probably going to be massively disappointed.
This is not just "losing", as Ace is telling it.
The table is broken. There is no winning here. With anybody. The Republic is dead. We live in a populist-fascist-corporatist oligarchy. Some of the institutions and parts of the country still sort of work, but hey, they're working on that too. The immigrant invasion is meant to turn Texas Democrat (again) forever...and it might just work. And that's just for starters.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 16, 2024 05:08 PM (vcOmj)

481
He said pro-lifers underestimated or misunderstood American resistance to severe restrictions on abortion. So I'm not blaming Trump for down-ballot losses.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at January 16, 2024 05:06 PM (ueFIi)

___________

So, let's ask the Democrats: what restrictions are acceptable?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 16, 2024 05:08 PM (MoZTd)

482 Well, maybe anybody except Jesus. I mean next time he comes, it will be in power. Any day now .... better than SMOD.
Posted by: illiniwek

Man, considering DU thinks Trump will bring a Christo-Facist theocracy, I can't imagine how they'd feel about the second coming.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 16, 2024 05:08 PM (JCZqz)

483 417 >>>And I find it hilarious that you DeSantis folks think Mr. "Five Week Abortion Ban" would stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning in the Abortion Barbie Mecca commonly referred to as VA! Or PA and MI for that matter.

So Trump is NOT the Pro-Life Warrior that many of his supporters claim he is...? Better tell them, because they're convinced he's totally committed to the pro-life cause.
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (KRtlO)

I'm an anti-abortion absolutist, but there is no way that this country will turn against the practice. Dobbs did the right thing to turn this back to the states, but this will end up shaking out that we look like France. 15 week limit. That's going to be what most of the country does, on average. Trump is just looking at reality. His political instincts on this - like on many things - is better than the vast majority of right-wing politicians and consultants.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 16, 2024 05:08 PM (NyJoo)

484 Joe Biden has been greatly jealous of John McCain and rightly so. When Joe passes he'll be lucky to get cremated, last rites and tossed into the Delaware Bay.

Commander will probably eat his essence and shit him out on the north lawn of the White House.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (J3ryZ)

485 I remember when Castro nationalized private property. I was too young to understand what was happening then but remember the anger and despair of the adults in my family. I was confused. Later in life it all made sense.

Above sad times came back to me yesterday as I read in conservative news that Biden was allowing his junta to take over patents in the USA.

Posted by: Floridachick at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (iOWvC)

486 I don't know when DeSantis supporters decided they were the authority and anyone who disagreed with them is a braindead cultist but you might want to consider that you are your candidates worst enemy when you act that way. Some of you couldn't sell water in the Sahara Desert.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (ZLI7S)

I didn't say anyone, idiot. Some Trump supporters are perfectly reasonable about their choice, and that's fine.

But if all you have to argue with is Ron's cowboy boots, or something equally stupid, you deserve everything that comes your way.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (g0Y4p)

487 >The hate for Trump will be transferred to any other candidate.
Posted by: Marcus T
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this is what I'm saying

WHOEVER is the eventual R nominee WILL get the Emmanuel Goldstein treatment, same as Trump

Even if that person were to win, their presidency would be beset by saboteurs every day, day after day

Posted by: Don Black at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (geLO8)

488 I think somebody is courting a very liberal who wears 5" heels with stocking seamed up the back.

http://tinyurl.com/yyj3583h

Posted by: Braenyard at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (jaRIy)

489
Ace,

Here's the thing about DeSantis-

If he can't get past Trump, if he can't defeat Trump, how is he going to win the general election?

He never provided his answer to Trump. He never made a believable argument to the majority of Republican voters that he could implement Trump's policies better than Trump.

His campaign mishandled DeSantis.

The smart thing would be to go for Veep. RDS didn't do that.

Then the next smart thing would've been to campaign while he was providing leadership in enacting in law and using his Gov't powers to promote conservative policy all through the election cycle. RDS didn't do that. He backed off enacting conservative policy.

I would've been fine with RDS as the candidate but he didn't do what he needed to do to get past Trump and win the nom. That's our system.

Unless Trump was supposed to step aside, and let RDS walk into the nom.

Anyway, this isn't against you, Ace. I simply remain unconvinced that someone who couldn't win against Trump could win in the general election.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (nFnyb)

490 The ongoing election at the southern border is all that matters and ever has mattered. People from abroad are voting with their feet and the entirety of Republican congressional leadership is fully onboard. This was true before Trump, true during his presidency, and true after his presidency.

The United States is a full-blown police state now, but it will be able to hold "elections" once those invaders are registered. Even a Nikki Haley will be allowed to win now and then.

Trump's biggest mistake was not pulling the plug on the GOP in November 2020. Even if he were somehow to win and have a Republican congressional super majority, there is no fucking way a GOP Congress would lift a finger to stop the Great Replacement. This was true in 2000 and is true today.

Ron DeSantis is a great governor of the State of Florida.

He would be a great president of the Republic of Florida.

That sort of thinking is necessary, and thinking the United States can be salvaged in any cognizable and decent form is truly magical. Wasting years in Republican politics should make that painfully apparent.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 16, 2024 05:10 PM (KSNKu)

491 465 Trump on the other hand is a disgusting, low rent prick but he's walking all over Desantis and packs stadiums with a bunch of stupid retarded supporters. Like me. I'm OK with that.
Posted by: And here we go at January 16, 2024 05:05 PM (SNVFk)

Right. But will you be OK with it when Biden or Newsom win in 2024 and the packed stadium with Trump supporters is your last memory of hope for the country? I hope you are right that Trump can win the general election and that he will be more effective in office as a Day One lame duck than he was in his first term. But I don't love those odds.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 05:10 PM (YQ4mh)

492
Post-2024:

Puerto Rican and DC statehood
Climate Crisis National Emergency
Reparations
Currency and savings nationalization

Am I leaving anything out?

Trump being marched down Pennsylvania Ave naked?

Posted by: Auspex at January 16, 2024 05:10 PM (j4U/Z)

493 So pinky up and establishment of you. You'd fit right in at a Bush family cocktail party.
Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 05:04 PM (2VXbz)

Except they wouldn't let him in.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 16, 2024 05:06 PM (eoQWY)

Uh, good?

Posted by: Dr. T at January 16, 2024 05:10 PM (g0Y4p)

494 >>Change "people" to "Republicans" and I agree with you. I don't think it's debatable. I do think it is a bit of a longshot for Trump to win the *general* election (including the certainty of the Democrats stealing the election again like 2020 if they need to).

I completely disagree with the idea that somehow the scumbags in DC hate Trump because they think he is vulgar. They hate him because he is not one of them, has no real party puppet strings on him, and wants to do things they do not like. Have you noticed that there are very few people in DC right now even pretending to be concerned about the border after 10 million invaders have landed?

Poll after poll, even Democrat ones, are showing that Trump is pulling in all sorts of new voters. Minorities, younger people, of course blue collar. Despite what is said here Trump is the one expanding the party.

And if Ron is going to run on a similar platform as Trump, things I want, then they will do to him exactly what they did to Trump. The caught everyone off guard in 2020. Nobody is sleeping on it now. Cheating is going to be a lot harder this year and it's going to have to be a lot bigger cause Biden has a record and it blows.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 05:11 PM (ZLI7S)

495 He said pro-lifers underestimated or misunderstood American resistance to severe restrictions on abortion. So I'm not blaming Trump for down-ballot losses.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at January 16, 2024 05:06 PM (ueFIi)

___________

So, let's ask the Democrats: what restrictions are acceptable?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 16, 2024 05:08 PM (MoZTd)

Not sure how pro-abortionists disgust led to polls not working, courts refusing to see fraud evidence, but sure, whatever. Dems will always hate Reps saving the country. They hate DeSantis too, but like usual Trump is taking all the enemy fire right now. They will have lawyers for him too.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 16, 2024 05:11 PM (eoQWY)

496 Here's the thing about DeSantis-

If he can't get past Trump, if he can't defeat Trump, how is he going to win the general election?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (nFnyb)

This one is so easy, even I can take it: Because Trump is way, way, WAY more popular with Republican primary voters than Biden is with general election voters.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 05:12 PM (YQ4mh)

497 I completely disagree with the idea that somehow the scumbags in DC hate Trump because they think he is vulgar. They hate him because he is not one of them, has no real party puppet strings on him, and wants to do things they do not like.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 05:11 PM (ZLI7S)

They used to love him because they thought he WAS one of them, and showed him their true selves and their secrets.

Then he sided with the American people over them, and that they can never forgive.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 16, 2024 05:13 PM (eoQWY)

498 They caught everyone off guard in 2020. Nobody is sleeping on it now. Cheating is going to be a lot harder this year and it's going to have to be a lot bigger cause Biden has a record and it blows.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 05:11 PM (ZLI7S)

I am going to try to take this on faith, because it's what I want to believe. I'm just not there yet.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 05:13 PM (YQ4mh)

499 The Audacity of Cope.

Posted by: ShainS at January 16, 2024 05:13 PM (5zVRM)

500 and we're building that wall, and we're sending these wetbacks home and a f**k Zelensky and McConnel too and yada yada yada.
......

I would vote really hard for that, but I'm still not Sending Money.

Posted by: wth at January 16, 2024 05:14 PM (v0R5T)

501 They hate that he thinks of Americans and not just the super rich ones first.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 16, 2024 05:08 PM (FCbAQ)

Except when he wanted to use eminent domain to take someone's home in order to build a parking lot.

He is a populist who will move toward what his populist base wants more often than not even if that's not his natural position. I like that as long as his 'base' remains conservative for the most part.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 05:14 PM (/2Hy+)

502 They did it a whole bunch in 2022, too. 250,000 illegal mail in ballots in PA alone. Illegal levels of signature verification in AZ. Detroit still just making up results.

Dear lord, I do hope the American people decide that that's enough. It'd be a nice change of pace, but I suspect we're going to be seeing just further accelerated migrations out of blue states.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM (GBKbO)

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After 2022 I've noticed more normies accepting the possibility of election theft. A brain-dead Fetterman and a dead-fish Hobbs will do that. Not to mention Biden in general.

Posted by: Brisco County Sr at January 16, 2024 05:14 PM (Y0wT4)

503 Ace, I agree 100% with your post. That is why I voted for De Santis. Late to the party, dollar short kinda thing.

Posted by: Grandpa bullet point at January 16, 2024 05:14 PM (s9TOl)

504 No one except Trump enjoys playing the wrestling heel.

==
I too recall the days when people said W needed to be more aggressive in defending himself. It's always something too hot too cold never just right. Goldilocks syndrome.

You are who you are, and decorum doesn't win arguments or elections. And when you are arguing with people who don't argue fair, you better get loud and noticed.

Posted by: YMMV at January 16, 2024 05:14 PM (386nB)

505 473
And now, to throw water on a grease fire that already had gasoline thrown on it...

Propane.......get your propane here!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 16, 2024 05:15 PM (eItmL)

506 479....

It's quite illuminating observing you and your pals in the NeverTrump crowd barely being able to contain your glee imagining Trump being convicted on charges you know damn well are BS. Just like you realize J6 political prisoners are just that, but you'd toss them under the bus in a nanosecond if continued exploitation of their "crimes" can be leveraged against evil Orange Man Bad.

Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 05:15 PM (2VXbz)

507 They hate him because he's not Ivy League.

Posted by: By The Time I Get to Phoenix at January 16, 2024 05:13 PM (z1SBr)

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He can't be bought.

Unlike some others in the race ...

Posted by: ShainS at January 16, 2024 05:15 PM (5zVRM)

508 Here's the thing about DeSantis-

If he can't get past Trump, if he can't defeat Trump, how is he going to win the general election?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (nFnyb)

My similar take is if it's true that Trump was prevented by DC to implement a lot of his agenda how is he going to do it the second time around.

To be fair to both , one does not predict the other IMO.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 16, 2024 05:17 PM (/2Hy+)

509 Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 05:15 PM (2VXbz)

I guess all that footage of "J6 political prisoners" assaulting cops is imaginary, then.

And no, it wasn't a fed/antifa op: Several people who attacked cops were positively identified, and they were true-blue Trump supporters.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 05:17 PM (bh2Xq)

510 >>>>441
>

Hasn't there been some unprecedented growth in the polls the past 4-7 months for Trump? He's a known quantity, but gained at least 5 points almost everywhere, and more in the key swing states. I don't think the Democrat hysteria we've seen the past few months is insincere.
Even with the COVID measures in 2020, Trump took 75 million votes, 20% more than he got in 2016. I don't think DeSantis can do that, and I don't think pollster Richard Barris is incompetent when analyzing the battleground states.
IMHO, the most exceptional thing Trump has going for him is...HIS MONEY. What other Republican can casually throw tens of millions at lawyers every single year to fight back against the Democrats' concerted lawfare? I just see don't see DeSantis, or any other Republican, being able to keep up with it. It's horrible for our country, but the GOPe has allowed it to happen.

Posted by: Jewish Odysseus at January 16, 2024 05:18 PM (bvp+i)

511 A lot of Trump supporters are cult like. Not all,
Of course. But enough to make it impossible for anyone else to win. There is nothing DeSantis could say or do to convince these people Trump isn’t the best choice. This doesn’t mean DeSantis is a bad candidate or would make a bad president.

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 05:19 PM (8kRtb)

512
They hate him because he's not Ivy League.

==

1. Trump is Ivy League
2. Maybe he cannot be bought with money, and maybe not by the usual suspects, but he sure can be threatened into silence - like he was after J6

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2024 05:19 PM (V13WU)

513 A simple question.

Ace. What then, might be your reaction, should Trump actually win the General Election, and be sworn in as President, in January, 2025?

I'm not asking this out of antagonism, but in a more constructive sense. Should Trump succeed in assuming the mantle of Term Two, are we going to force the McConnels and Ryans of this world to turn-to and actually SUPPORT the man, or are we going to sit by passively, while they fuck over us, the President and the Nation, again?

Surest way to defeat, is if we're not prepared to win.

Too many (R)inos were NOT prepared for a Trump win in 2016. They had NO PLANS for what to do, if victorious. And besides, as stated aplenty, above...they were basically opposed to 95% of Trump's agenda, in the first place.

Me, I want to see a plan to LEVERAGE a Trump win. Even if it were DeSantis pulling out the win, we're going to need the Op Plan in place, HARD, from Day One.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 16, 2024 05:19 PM (e6UQI)

514 >>I didn't say anyone, idiot. Some Trump supporters are perfectly reasonable about their choice, and that's fine.

>>But if all you have to argue with is Ron's cowboy boots, or something equally stupid, you deserve everything that comes your way.

Gosh, that's so much better douchebag.

You are the one who refused to consider Trump. Has that occurred to you? I understand ace, he's always hated Trump. But some DeSantis supporters can't give a single policy reason you like Ron better because there isn't one. You just don't like Trump personally. As if he is going to come live in your guest bedroom.

You make up claims about electability that are just that, made up. We just saw who is more electable. Trump got more votes than DeSantis and Haley combined. You cannot win a national election if you can't win your own base and this cycle Ron cannot.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 16, 2024 05:20 PM (ZLI7S)

515 Trump is Ivy League,

Posted by: Montec at January 16, 2024 05:20 PM (8kRtb)

516 Here's the thing about DeSantis-

If he can't get past Trump, if he can't defeat Trump, how is he going to win the general election?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2024 05:09 PM (nFnyb)

This one is so easy, even I can take it: Because Trump is way, way, WAY more popular with Republican primary voters than Biden is with general election voters.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at January 16, 2024 05:12 PM (YQ4mh)

Not sure what your argument is here.

Trump is more popular with Republican primary voters.

And Biden is less popular than that with general election voters.

Not getting the logic.

In any event, this in no way proves DeSantis is the better candidate.

He shows he's the better candidate by defeating Trump in the primary, which he has not. ipso facto.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2024 05:20 PM (nFnyb)

517 494.

Lol

Try nationalization of all private property (not to their friends though) from those icky Christian whites heteros.

Appropriation of all retirement accounts

Destruction of the 2nd

Forget about the 1st.

Termination of parental rights.

And more. Much more that I don't even want to post. But lets just say that somewhere down the not too distant road there will be open season on whites conservatives Christians and Jews.

Posted by: Floridachick at January 16, 2024 05:20 PM (iOWvC)

518 While I consider him a good friend, I have a co-worker who secretly believes that Trump secretly has control of the military.

It's not a movie.
It's nightmare watching tyranny descend with no way to stop it.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at January 16, 2024 05:22 PM (l9Eke)

519 The table is broken. There is no winning here. With anybody. The Republic is dead. We live in a populist-fascist-corporatist oligarchy. Some of the institutions and parts of the country still sort of work, but hey, they're working on that too. The immigrant invasion is meant to turn Texas Democrat (again) forever...and it might just work. And that's just for starters.
==
It's the truth. Ugly. But if you aren't disaster planning, start. 2024 through 2034 is gonna suck. Then learn to speak Chinese if you are west of the rockies. Or get power armor and live in the plains wastelands...

Posted by: Fallout boy at January 16, 2024 05:23 PM (386nB)

520 It's horrible for our country, but the GOPe has allowed it to happen.
===
There is only one party and we and Trump are not in it.

Posted by: Fallout boy at January 16, 2024 05:26 PM (386nB)

521 394 When people check the receipts, they realize they didn't get most of what they paid for. Now people are hungry for change and to get things done. They want someone with a lot of potential to execute on their promises

Posted by: Marcus T at January 16, 2024 04:57 PM (bNcG+)
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ad hominem

Well if your argument is valid then why do these same voters keep re-electing the same POS to the Senate and House? Everyone knows that Trump was stymied by his own party. Don't they expect action from the guys they really elect directly?

Posted by: Ciampino - Polls are utter rubbish. Do not quote then to support your argument! at January 16, 2024 05:28 PM (qfLjt)

522 I don't disagree w/Ace's analysis; in fact, many of my conservative friends have said almost the exact same thing[except the ban "thing"]

But who Trump picks as VP will really inform how many white-wine-swilling suburban moms vote for him. Because that's the demo he's weakest in. He's doing better than 2020 everywhere else, and he can correctly lay the blame for today's economy on Biden's lap [think Clinton-Bush 19921].

And the border doesn't need to be Berlin-like along the whole length - just the part where it's walkable/driveable from a major entry point. Beyond that, not even Pancho Villa went [the Apache & Commanche did, but that's another discussion].

Trump isn't a religious thing for me - if we cannot discus his problems, how can we expect anything different from the last time? Ex.: his personnel selections were teh sux in many cases.

If it were only DeSantis, many conservatives would vote for him - I would. But many of the fire-breathers would sit the 2024 election out, consequences be damned. I'd guess that would be a push, and no net advantage for us or DeSantis.

Posted by: The Bartelist at January 16, 2024 05:28 PM (7Z2/3)

523 This one is so easy, even I can take it: Because Trump is way, way, WAY more popular with Republican primary voters than Biden is with general election voters.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA

That's an interesting hypothesis. It may even be true, or it may just be a rationale that fits your own thinking.

Politics and political choices are actually a lot more visceral than logical. A lot of people have been emotionally convinced that Trump is a vulgar, obnoxious blowhard, and basically a bad man.
Others think he could be the savior of the Republic.
I think neither. I think the country is already broken, and we are going through the motions, pretending there is still hope.
There is none, really. I don't preach despair or surrender, but don't try to convince yourselves that somehow this election will "make a difference".

Because it will not. DeSantis, Trump, whoever you want to run, is running against something so dark and malignant, that there is not really a mortal way to win this, short of an actual civil war, and there is a good chance that could make things much worse.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at January 16, 2024 05:29 PM (vcOmj)

524 And more. Much more that I don't even want to post. But lets just say that somewhere down the not too distant road there will be open season on whites conservatives Christians and Jews.

Posted by: Floridachick

But what about the Irish?

Posted by: Howard Johnson of Rock Ridge at January 16, 2024 05:32 PM (vcOmj)

525 Just to clarify. People here seem to forget that DeSantis would have never gotten past the Florida Governor's primaries had Trump not endorsed him. He was getting clobbered by a better funded and more well known, Adam Putman.

That being said, I still wish we had an outsider candidate with control of his emotions and a few more brain synapses.

Posted by: Orson at January 16, 2024 05:33 PM (dIske)

526 Terry 509...

You're a real piece of work. Out of the handful of J6 political prisoners who "assaulted cops", the vast majority of those folks committed the heinous crime of....wait for it....trespassing on public property. You know, just like your leftwing pals did during the Kavanaugh hearings, several of which actually assaulted a sitting US Senator. But of course, no charges were filed. And now your boys over at Justice are coming after folks who NEVER ENTERED THE CAPITAL! I mean, screw the first Amendment, right Terry? And, I guess you didn't catch the fact that the FBI admitted they had their people embedded within the crowd, some estimates placing the number at over 200 agents. And then there's the "mystery pipe bomber" that somehow can't be found despite placing those "devices" in the most surveilled area in the US. And, for some reason Terry, I bet you really get your rocks off when thinking about the two unarmed innocent women murdered by your fellow pals employed by the Capital Police Department. Witnessing Trump supporters getting whacked by the Feds is a real turn on for folks like you, huh Terry?

Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 05:36 PM (2VXbz)

527 If disinformation expert Ace doesn’t think Trump is the one to vote for over the field we can see you right now who does he think it should be?

Posted by: Susan D Harms at January 16, 2024 05:44 PM (FDFdw)

528 >>> So anyway, Trump won.

It's not over 'til it's over.

Posted by: m at January 16, 2024 05:44 PM (CQE5S)

529 I see the Trump supporters here have not heard of the words veto and bully pulpit.

Trump ran on building the wall. This was his signature issue. When McConnell and Ryan put the first omnibus bill on his desk for him to sign, he should have vetoed it and gone on a barnstorming tour demanding that Congress fund the wall and vetoing every appropriations omnibus that didn't contain wall funding. How do you think Reagan got a Democratic house to pass his tax cuts and defense spending? But Trump didn't. He never vetoed anything. He didnt actually care.

Meanwhile, DeSantis had his Republican legislature pass a crappy electoral map that gave Democrats way too many seats. Did he shrug his shoulders and say "Wilton is against me, what can I do?" No, he vetoed that crappy map and told them in no uncertain terms that they were going to pass the DeSantis map and that's final. And that's why the GOP has a congressional majority today.

Thus endeth the lesson.

Posted by: Keyser at January 16, 2024 05:45 PM (9ZGzn)

530 Posted by: PacosMojo at January 16, 2024 05:36 PM (2VXbz)

Yada yada yada. "Some people did bad stuff, and that wasn't cool, but MOST DIDN'T!"

Then of course, delusion-posting about 200 FBI agents. Then, shock that someone who rushed into a room full of cops waving guns around and telling people not to enter got shot.

Okay, then why didn't Trump, your glorious leader, whom no man is permitted to speak evil of, pardon them? His rally, his plan, his supporters, and he let them take the fall after they acted at HIS behest, all to insulate HIMSELF from the consequences of his own actions.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 05:47 PM (jWHWO)

531 More anger about people supposedly getting their jollies at the "J6 political prisoners" being tormented than at Trump actually causing them misery. Like what I or anyone has to say or think about them doesn't change their lives at all. What Trump did actually DID change their lives for the far worse.

Posted by: Terry at January 16, 2024 05:49 PM (jWHWO)

532 I agree with what Ace said in large part. However, I think his deep skepticism about Trump's ability to prevail in the GE is way overstated. It's also contrary to the polling data.

As for Trump's inability to follow through on his decisions, I remember Trump's time in office as a happier time for the nation-- if you look at what Trump did holistically.

Like Ace, I'd have preferred DeSantis, and for the same reasons Ace does. In my entire lengthy life, though, I can only think of a couple of times when my first choice for POTUS actually won. So, my expectations are low.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2024 05:49 PM (NLIak)

533
So Trump is NOT the Pro-Life Warrior that many of his supporters claim he is...? Better tell them, because they're convinced he's totally committed to the pro-life cause.
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2024 05:00 PM

Trump found some middle ground of 'hating it' - which I agree with completely - who the hell thinks it is a good thing? He wants to take credit for the end of Roe v Wade - which I agree with because it was bullshit - the right to 'privacy'? Who the hell thinks we have an ounce of privacy left when we have a cell phone five feet away? But now it's a 'states rights' issue which will divide the country even further. Not something I think is good. I don't see Trump trying to take credit for that. It's a cluster of f

To me the only answer is for true G-d fearing conservatives to accept that G-d won't judge them for the fact that women who want to kill their children exist, will always exist, and it's a useless battle to try to stop them. It's not you - the conservative - who will ultimately be judged, its the killer. You wanna fight on the state level, fine. But don't support candidates with a position which will only bite you in the buttocks. Render unto Caesar...

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 16, 2024 05:49 PM (nIvob)

534 The left knows there's no ceiling on the cheat anymore because the worst they get is a wristslap from the courts after the fact.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 16, 2024 04:22 PM (GBKbO)

There's a ceiling. The Left knows there's a ceiling, somewhere. What the Judiciary understands, and what most Americans don't understand, is that the resolution is in the political realm, not the judicial. And the matter will be dealt with ... politically.

Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2024 05:50 PM (rj6Yv)

535 I'm thinking they blew their load with this tactic in 2020, and in 2024 even normies won't be falling for the banana in the tailpipe again.
Posted by: Brisco County

The same normies that locked down for 2 weeks 50 times in a row, masked up, and vaxxed up? Things will realistically have to go hot to stop it, and that is not gonna happen. Normies are not lawless, and our commie enemy is, and has cover from the commies in the system.

Even if we encased the entire deep state in concrete in Yucca Mountain, there're still all the lawless free agent commies at the state level in at least 6 states.

It's hard to not be black pilled about the death rattles of America, but SMOD is probably our best hope.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at January 16, 2024 05:51 PM (mdz6j)

536 I feel about Haley like I felt about McCain (& I worked madly for his presidential campaign), is the race being thrown? That question haunted me but, in the end, I x'ed the card or whatever was going on in PA, then but vowed I wouldn't do it like that again.

I knew Trump would have one hell of the ride w/government, even as President. Upper echelons perfected revenge way before he arrived on the scene for they were long terrified of some Cabinet positions & all of Congress, especially Grassley. And of O, more so than any other President in decades, even though he had limited US Senate experience. Youth & 'cool' were in, esp. at the WH; cliques, partnerships & interest groups became almost one w/government.

PDT banished "should" stds, leaving the "shalls" as required by law. Bot responses to Federal Register postings were no more. Agencies, unions were to uphold their responsibilities; their rampant powers gone. (How the VA & others hated him, still do, but VA money wasn't "reallocated" into programs not Veteran related as it has been reported to be, i.e., now used for aiding illegal entry. NATO nations to pay fair share. An economy to lift all.

He had to go.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear. They only have to outrun us - for now at January 16, 2024 05:56 PM (GshMh)

537 Every single Trump-simp I know says:

1) Only Trump

But if Trump loses and catastrophically costs us the senate and house (to include the elimination of the filibuster), all of Trump cock-holsters will try to retreat to some form of dystopian Calvinism and say "no one could have won."

Ace is right. We are fucked. America is over because of this god-damned cult.

Posted by: Marleysghost at January 16, 2024 06:10 PM (uxXx0)

538 I think your analysis is correct.

Posted by: Bob Bailey at January 16, 2024 06:10 PM (oRB6t)

539 DeSantis turned out to be a dead fish, and Haley is a RINO opportunist. So you can gripe about Trump, but unless something happens...a personality transplant for DeSantis...Trump is it.

Posted by: Dantes at January 16, 2024 06:12 PM (PHlmZ)

540 "DeSantis turned out to be a dead fish, and Haley is a RINO opportunist. So you can gripe about Trump, but unless something happens...a personality transplant for DeSantis...Trump is it"

I'm sure the Branch Davidians thought that about David Koresh, too.

Posted by: Marleysghost at January 16, 2024 06:20 PM (uxXx0)

541 "On paper, I think DeSantis would be a better president. I kind of (still) feel the same about Ted Cruz. Both, however, have some weird charisma issue that turns lots of normies off."

Yes. he also leans into every accusation of extremism leveled at him, because escalation of rhetoric is his only tool.

Trump thinks this is the WWF.

When that motherfucker costs us EVERYTHING--I hope he fucking does go to prison, and has to watch tik-tok videos of Melania fucking other men.

Posted by: Marleysghost at January 16, 2024 06:32 PM (uxXx0)

542 I feel like I've been approaching the same idea, Ace. From his statements, he doesn't seem to have learned any lessons. He also hasn't done anything that turns public opinion in his favor and if we think that'll just go away because "Biden sucks more," so long America.

Although I do wish that more voters would get it into their heads that they also need to vote for people with MAGA/America First thinking into Congress as it is with those MFers we get all sorts of 'wonderful' globalist laws.

I'll be taking a strong look at the Libertarian candidates this turn although if they are open borders scam artists as some Ls are...well, it was a Republic and we couldn't keep it.

Posted by: Deseret Rebel at January 16, 2024 06:42 PM (no3nR)

543 I sorta concur that Trump is a weak candidate, but he's all we have. In this caustic system we're in, literally no one else can win. So pretend he wins, what are my expectations he will do anything more than blathering on Twitter and showing off his signature.? The only hope is that, he wins and we can get a couple of good replacements for Thomas and Alito.

Posted by: Jeff E at January 16, 2024 06:47 PM (lAjBs)

544 now this is the level of butthurt I was expecting.

bravo you lightweights. bravo.

Hey, there's still time to get behind nikki you fuckin losers!

Posted by: Clownshow at January 16, 2024 07:02 PM (euG9/)

545 More and more Trump accounts (and lonely little turds like Clownshow above) seem to be working overtime to just push every DeSantis voter away.

I can't believe Trump voters are stupid enough to think they'll win the election with only 70% of Republican viewers, but I can believe that most of these ardent Pro-Trump accounts are liberals trying to do everything possible to split the Republican vote,to make Joe win.

I mean if they are actually Trump voters then damn they are dumber and more delusional than i could have ever thought.

Posted by: Rbastid at January 16, 2024 07:39 PM (yRwlf)

546 ace: I agree with u 150%.

For example, what fucking idioyt goes all in backing a dumbfuck for senate that can;t speak, has mental issues, etc.? trump. But Herschel Walker was/is loyal!!!! And we lose AGAIN

Posted by: jb at January 16, 2024 07:59 PM (mIqQW)

547 Ace is right. DeSantis would be an upgrade over Trump in every way.

And yet the only thing Trump supporters have to say online is "DeSanctimonious is disloyal!" "He didn't wait his turn!" "He didn't stay in his lane!"

Trump is too toxic with independents (fairly or not) to win, and even if he got back in the White House he would immediately be a lame duck whom the permanent bureacracy could just resist and wait out. Personnel is policy, and Trump has shown doesn't have the attention span to actually see if his policies are being carried out by his appointees. "But this time he knows!" BS - he is who he is and will not change at almost 77 years old.

Posted by: DavidW at January 16, 2024 08:13 PM (Xj2Kn)

548 I have not commented in a long time Ace. And as much as it pains me to see our future in black and white, you are spot on. The last couple decent blocks of Jenga holding the whole thing up are about to be pulled out. You mentioned the supreme Court but when the machinery of our military system is fully turned against the American public like the FBI and doj have, we will be the last generation to know what freedom looked like. And for everybody who has a gun in their closet and thinks that is some bullwork against what's coming they are sadly mistaken.

Posted by: Conservative Shrug at January 16, 2024 08:25 PM (bkf/+)

549 "So out of a 1800 mile long border, he, at his most charitable estimation, built/repaired 250 miles."

The main problem is not who you support, the main problem is that you do not have a command of the facts. And as I tell clients: The difference between feelings and facts is data.

1) Even Al Jazeera reported that due to natural borders, and manmade border wall was not needed along the entire USA/ MEX border.

2) 1,000 miles of new/ replaced border wall was proposed.

3) A significantly better border wall design was developed: hardened steel-bollard Barriers, all-weather Access Roads, Perimeter lighting, Enforcement cameras, and other related technology.

4) Priority was given to problem areas and land already owned by the Federal govt: CA, AZ, NM.

5) ~450 miles of the new border wall design was constructed by EOY 2020.

What happened to you?

Posted by: that guy at January 16, 2024 08:26 PM (h5Avx)

550 “He should have been more persuasive!!!”

40% of the party will vote for Trump no matter what. That’s been the case since the revenge plot began in 2017.

So the Trump alternative had to run the table on just about every other Republican. An impossible task for even a perfect candidate.

So anyone making arguments that the other candidates have failed because, campaign manager, lack of persuasion, establishment plant, etc., is an actual fucking retard.

40% of the party is absolutely consumed with their God savior, and clutch their stupid fucking red hats with tears in their eyes when he drops low-effort insults of whoever he feels like that day. The retarded seals clap with glee as they repeat “DeSanctimonious” ad nauseam.

But it doesn’t matter anyway because the election is rigged.

Posted by: Cashin at January 16, 2024 09:43 PM (01zPI)

551 >>>and what was he able to do about that?

>>>This does not mean that his failures are secret successes.

>>>Yes, he has a personality that causes people to >>>despise him. This is not an advantage.
>>>ace

Yeah, it was totally not the GOP establishment that hates its own base and opposes what its voters want at every conceievable turn doing its best to stop his agenda. But continue to blame Trump's personality. They would do the same exact thing to Desantis.

You really are bad at this ace.

Posted by: ShadowsPawn at January 16, 2024 10:06 PM (lqLYa)

552 My reservations on DeSantis really come down to that he has not yet experienced and survived the Palin treatment, nor do I have any idea how he will respond when violence is done upon him or his family.

I remember how many Republican Representatives did not run for re-election after the baseball shooter. It helped us lose the House that cycle. The newsies talked politics, but the truth is, none of them went into politics to get shot at, and I can understand how many of them just decided it was time to quit if it was going to earn them a bullet.

Yeah, Stone and Loomer are a few nuts short a fruitcake, but both have had violence done to them, and have kept fighting.

When his wife is bleeding in a hospital from yet another left wing zealot who's being airbrushed from history, will deSantis? Maybe. Maybe not. But I'm not certain if he has even considered the possibility. Few even on either side have.

Posted by: Voyager at January 17, 2024 01:37 AM (S3d13)

553 Ace wants wants to blame Trump (and Democrats) for the wall not being built, but it was the Republican controlled Congress that obstructed, delayed, and blocked the work. I bet he’s cheering Abbott for assisting the Bidenistas in shuttling the invading army around the country too.

A wall is just a tool. Put a nail gun in the hands of Congressional Republicans and an hour later, you’ll find them with both feet and one hand nailed down. We need somebody with the will to lock the border down and kick out the invaders using every means available. That’s not Bushie controlled Ron!

Posted by: JustHereForTheDonuts at January 17, 2024 06:57 AM (Mx0nZ)

554 Totally get your point of view while disagreeing with a bit of it.

1. I think America was already lost in 2020
2. I think you're discounting how bad shit is going to get before Nov. Very very bad things are coming our way.
3. I do think we had a lot more winning with Trump than almost every predecessor but it would simply be a tit for tat argument.

I absolutely believe the country is unrecoverable at this point. So why Trump? Mostly as a "fuck you" to the Left and for the comedy.

But no one should be calling you any names, "hater" or otherwise, you've been a light in the darkness.

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NBC "News" Poll of Iowa Caucusgoers: Nearly Half of Nikki Haley's Supporters Will Vote for Joe Biden in General Election
And My Last Words On Trump (For a While)