THE MORNING RANT: With “Natural Asset Companies,” Eco-Communists & Wall Street Have Created a New “Investment” to Seize Productive Lands

Although we’ve had a few victories against the left’s radical agenda recently (such as states protecting children from the transgender industry, auto manufacturers backing off of EVs, Ivy League presidents resigning in disgrace, and even the abandonment of the word “Latinx”

we can never stop to enjoy a victory because the left’s battle on modern civilization has many fronts, and they are always finding new ways to attack liberty, prosperity, and traditional western values.

In the words of Michael Walsh, “They never stop, they never sleep, they never quit.”

The enviro-communists are teaming up with Wall Street to develop a new financial instrument called a Natural Asset Company. NACs are designed to protect “climate” and “biodiversity” by acquiring the rights to natural assets - both publicly and privately owned - and then taking them out of formerly productive uses such as agriculture or energy production. It’s almost as if the “sagebrush rebellion” of the Reagan era, which sought to privatize federal lands, has been hijacked by communists.

Even more disturbing, the NACs are a new form of corporate entity that doesn’t even strive for profit, because they have also created a new type of accounting that doesn’t involve traditional revenue. Rather than a Profit & Loss Statement, there is a “Statement of Ecological Performance” which will “account for the flow of ecosystem services in financial terms,” whatever that means.

Carol Roth tweeted out an exceptional thread explaining the whole situation. I am printing it below in its entirety.

Below that I will link to some hopeful news on this battle front – red states are already fighting back to protect their citizens and the resources of their states from the communists in Wall Street clothing.

Long/Important thread on Natural Asset Companies:

Natural Asset Companies are worse than ESG on steroids-- imagine Wall Street or even foreign countries having control over our food, energy and water
— Carol Roth (@caroljsroth) January 3, 2024

Long/Important thread on Natural Asset Companies:
Natural Asset Companies are worse than ESG on steroids-- imagine Wall Street or even foreign countries having control over our food, energy and water.
A new type of company called a Natural Asset Company (NAC) is pushing for control of America’s natural resources. The NYSE is currently trying to get the SEC to approve it and unleash it on public investors. Your urgent help is needed to comment and spread the word.
For background: it is very hard and out of the ordinary to create a new type of company, particularly one that qualifies for listing on the largest stock exchange in the world.
The NAC designation was created by Intrinsic Exchange Group (IEG), which includes folks from various environmental/ecology backgrounds. Their website is sketchy about who is supporting them, but several sites have reported support from the Rockefeller Foundation + others.
Their new company idea is to allow NACs to buy the ability to control or “manage” productive public & private land/other natural resources. Their stated purpose is not to make a profit or be productive, but to protect, conserve, restore and preserve these natural “assets”.
NACs could offer $ to the federal govt (owns about 30% of US land) to manage lands that produce/cultivate food, water, timber, energy, etc, then decide the current activity is bad for the environment + take them out of productive use in the name of “restoration/conservation”.
NACs = ESG on steroids..
Where do NACs get their $? IEG pitched the NYSE, who became their partner. The NYSE took a, “small minority interest in IEG and one seat on IEG's board of directors,” and the NYSE is now petitioning the SEC to allow for NACs to be publicly listed and traded.
As a former i-banker, I can tell you there is a very clear reason that a company goes public. It is to broadly access capital to provide both funding for growth and liquidity for existing investors. Companies are supposed to have strong merits and provide a path to growth for public investors in exchange. It is a rigorous and costly process both to become public and to stay public, and it is not for every business.
These NACs are a bastardization of that purpose. They aren’t seeking to manage resources to improve their earnings potential, rather they would often be seeking to remove the productivity of assets in the name of some type of "climate justice".
Not only could NACs impact our ability to generate + access energy, critical minerals, water + food, but it could also put those decisions in the hands of institutions, such as foreign govts, which could invest in these NACs and have de facto control over America’s resources.
This entire scheme stinks to high heaven and is fraught with myriad potential conflicts and bad outcomes. It also came about in a way that raises red flags.
In addition to coming up w/a new company type out of thin air, IEG’s CEO said they invented a new type of accounting! “We created a new accounting system, which we called Statements of Ecological Performance, which account for the flow of ecosystem services in financial terms.”
If making up a new accounting standard with ecology as a base doesn’t raise a red flag, I am not sure what will. It is also noted that IEG’s Ecological Performance Reporting Framework is based upon a UN framework, something that doesn’t raise a lot of confidence.
This is an effort by climate cultists and social engineers to get around the legal system to push their agenda. The IEG CEO has said as much, stating, “We were looking for a private-sector approach that wasn’t dependent on policy, it wasn’t dependent on traditional taxes, regulation or philanthropy to price in these assets and give investors the opportunity to invest directly in nature, whether that’s for climate or biodiversity.”
What to do? Call all your representatives + state officials quickly, as the SEC is set to decide on this in a couple of weeks. Tell them to put pressure on the SEC to not allow File No. SR-NYSE-2023-09; don't allow the NYSE to list Natural Asset Companies.
You can also contact the SEC directly to weigh in here. Again, you must include File No. SR-NYSE-2023-09 in the email subject or on any paper drafts. More information on the rule is here.
You don’t want Wall Street, university endowments or even a foreign government to control our natural resources. Help make sure that NACs are kept as merely a crazy idea and not a reality.

The good news is that the Attorney Generals in most red states are already pushing back.

“Republican states unleash effort opposing SEC climate rule creating new type of company” [Fox Business – 01/09/2024]

In a public comment letter Tuesday, the officials — led by Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes and Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach — called for the SEC to rescind its proposal enabling the formation of so-called natural asset companies (NAC). They argued NACs may pose a threat to national security and subordinate the interests of millions of Americans "to the aims of environmental activists as well as to United Nations policies and mandates."
"NACs rely on unproven models focused not on returns and value for investors but rather restrictions of legal and productive use of natural resources, with dollars deployed in amorphous and undefined categories such as ‘natural assets’ and ‘ecosystem services,’" Reyes continued. "While masquerading as a novel tool for the public good, NACs are a brutish vehicle to accomplish an activist political agenda."

It can’t be stressed enough that while national politics matter, it is at the state level we can win and push back against the left. A conservative Republican state Attorney General is so much more important to our cause than any GOP Senator. This is an impressive list of states whose AGs are engaged in this battle:

In addition to Utah and Kansas, attorneys general from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia and Wyoming also signed onto the effort Tuesday.

South Dakota, Georgia, and North Carolina are conspicuously absent from that list.

Securities that don’t produce a return for their investors don’t sound like a good investment, but this involves communist accounting, which is somehow endorsed by the New York Stock Exchange. Once the “natural asset rights” are sold to communists and foreign investors, cash profit doesn’t even matter, as their “investment goal” will have already been realized.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2024 11:01 AM (QakWV)

2 And dutifully called as always

Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2024 11:02 AM (QakWV)

3 gotta hope this fails!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at January 12, 2024 11:02 AM (WsTvr)

4 Communism is a luxury only the wealthiest can afford.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 12, 2024 11:03 AM (rSl/w)

5 Even more disturbing, the NACs are a new form of corporate entity that doesn’t even strive for profit, because they have also created a new type of accounting that doesn’t involve traditional revenue. R

Sounds excellent! Sign me up! I'm tired of having all this money lying around my house, cluttering it up.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:03 AM (CsUN+)

6 They want lots of people killt.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 12, 2024 11:03 AM (R4t5M)

7 They'll need "experts", I'm sure.

Posted by: BignJames at January 12, 2024 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

8 A lot to get through, but seems the Deep State is expanding to grab more real-estate

Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (QakWV)

9 In some respects, this sounds similar to the World Wildlife Fund and other NFPs that take land out of use in order to preserve it for wildlife habitat. I'm okay with that, and I really don't think there are enough idiots out there who would view NACS as a real investment. You want to give to a charity to preserve habitat? Give to WWF.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (CsUN+)

10 NACs are designed to protect “climate” and “biodiversity” by acquiring the rights to natural assets - both publicly and privately owned - and then taking them out of formerly productive uses ...
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Ordinarily, this would be the opposite of investment. If you buy a productive asset and *remove* it from production, you are wasting your money (unless there's a good reason, like the price crashes or the commodity is no longer useful, etc.) and therefore you are spending and destroying your money, not investing it.

There are only two ways I can see this as being an "investment:"
1. It is to acquire and hold assets for later sale on the hope of appreciation (e.g., speculation) - except that they are creating their own scarcity by doing so, and manipulating the market (possibly illegally).
2. It is to reduce production in areas where you own other production capacity, so as to drive the cost of the commodity and increase your profits - which is also a brazen manipulation (and probably illegal).

So you're burning up you investors' capital while calling it an "investment" (fraud), or you're openly and nakedly manipulating markets (fraud).

Which is it?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (Zp1WF)

11 Speaking of EV's - a doubledecker EV bus caught on fire in rush-hour traffic in London this morning.

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (e3ey0)

12
Power outage. Again. Biden America.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (J7HXY)

13 I don't see it as a huge problem. When the Burning Times come, if you sit on the land, provided you have enough guns, you own it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (tkR6S)

14 If making up a new accounting standard with ecology as a base doesn’t raise a red flag, I am not sure what will. It is also noted that IEG’s Ecological Performance Reporting Framework is based upon a UN framework, something that doesn’t raise a lot of confidence.
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Yesterday's made up bullshit is tomorrow's GAAP.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:06 AM (Zp1WF)

15 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 12, 2024 11:06 AM (T4tVD)

16 "NACs rely on unproven models focused not on returns and value for investors but rather restrictions of legal and productive use of natural resources, with dollars deployed in amorphous and undefined categories such as ‘natural assets’ and ‘ecosystem services,’" Reyes continued. "While masquerading as a novel tool for the public good, NACs are a brutish vehicle to accomplish an activist political agenda."
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Why does Reyes hate our Earth-Mother so much?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (Zp1WF)

17 It's for "justice"...as long as its for the "greater good" we should be fine with it.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (GTqXr)

18 11 Speaking of EV's - a doubledecker EV bus caught on fire in rush-hour traffic in London this morning.
Posted by: Defenestratus at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (e3ey0)

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"Stiff upper lip, my dear boy. Stiff upper lip."
-The bus driver, burning to death

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (GBKbO)

19 You want to give to a charity to preserve habitat? Give to WWF.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (CsUN+)

and the wrestling shows are entertaining, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (tkR6S)

20 ...imagine Wall Street or even foreign countries having control over our food, energy and water.

They must of grabbed the Hostess Cupcake brand because I loved those things and now they give me the shitz.
Bastards!

Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (W/lyH)

21 Check this out. This is the net worth of several presidents from Ronald Reagan to Donald Trump. Only one of these men actually lost net worth during his presidency. Get a load of how much Bill Clinton made in particular:

http://tinyurl.com/mwm45r5n

Posted by: Beverly at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (Epeb0)

22 They want lots of people killt.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

It's difficult for even the dumbest of skeptics to come to any other conclusion.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (IG4Id)

23 Securities that don’t produce a return for their investors don’t sound like a good investment, but this involves communist accounting, which is somehow endorsed by the New York Stock Exchange. Once the “natural asset rights” are sold to communists and foreign investors, cash profit doesn’t even matter, as their “investment goal” will have already been realized.
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Look, Buck, we can't make an environmental omelette without breaking a few human eggs!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (Zp1WF)

24 Speaking of natural assets...and an upright bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfANFQOLGKA

Posted by: Braenyard at January 12, 2024 11:08 AM (fEezT)

25 So you're burning up you investors' capital while calling it an "investment" (fraud), or you're openly and nakedly manipulating markets (fraud).

Which is it?

I mean, it isn't like they're hiding that an "investor" shouldn't expect financial returns. If you want to put your money in something like this, I'm not sure why it's a problem. It's when they're buying public lands that things get dicey.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:08 AM (CsUN+)

26 >Power outage. Again. Biden America.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (J7HXY)

Just got mine back after a three-day outage. Peco can suck a bag of dicks.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 12, 2024 11:09 AM (GTqXr)

27 Just take the word "investment" out of the equation entirely and call it what it is: Resorce Hoarding

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:09 AM (9UlRk)

28
"Stiff upper lip, my dear boy. Stiff upper lip."
-The bus driver, burning to death
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:07 AM (GBKbO)

"just because there was no driver on the top."

Name the song/singer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:09 AM (tkR6S)

29 What's so bad about carbon?

Posted by: It's everywhere at January 12, 2024 11:09 AM (NBVIP)

30 >>>Rather than a Profit & Loss Statement, there is a “Statement of Ecological Performance” which will “account for the flow of ecosystem services in financial terms,” whatever that means.
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How much has Vanguard and BlackRock invested in them.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 12, 2024 11:09 AM (fEezT)

31 Even more disturbing, the NACs are a new form of corporate entity that doesn’t even strive for profit, because they have also created a new type of accounting that doesn’t involve traditional revenue. Rather than a Profit & Loss Statement, there is a “Statement of Ecological Performance” which will “account for the flow of ecosystem services in financial terms,” whatever that means.

They better be ready to pay metric shitloads of property taxes.

Because county taxing authorities don't give a shit about your wants. Only theirs.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 12, 2024 11:10 AM (oWBqB)

32 When a large business buys a smaller competitor with the intent to shut it down, it usually sparks an antitrust investigation.

Posted by: Wally at January 12, 2024 11:10 AM (hqVaF)

33 29 What's so bad about carbon?
Posted by: It's everywhere at January 12, 2024 11:09 AM (NBVIP)

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The poors are made up of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:11 AM (GBKbO)

34
The enviro-communists are teaming up with Wall Street to develop a new financial instrument called a Natural Asset Company. NACs are designed to protect “climate” and “biodiversity” by acquiring the rights to natural assets - both publicly and privately owned - and then taking them out of formerly productive uses such as agriculture or energy production.

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Paging Mr. Henry George. Mr. Henry George to the white courtesy phone, please.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2024 11:11 AM (J7HXY)

35 ::peeks from behind curtain::

Posted by: Bill Gates at January 12, 2024 11:11 AM (KTgT6)

36 They better be ready to pay metric shitloads of property taxes.

Because county taxing authorities don't give a shit about your wants. Only theirs.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 12, 2024 11:10 AM (oWBqB)
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How long 'til they say, "hey, we're clearly non-profits?"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:11 AM (Zp1WF)

37 So you're burning up you investors' capital while calling it an "investment" (fraud), or you're openly and nakedly manipulating markets (fraud).

Which is it?
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Neither. It's fascism. It's the 'industrial' super-state seizing all aspects of society for the benefit of a few.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (IG4Id)

38 "Stiff upper lip, my dear boy. Stiff upper lip."
-The bus driver, burning to death

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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http://tinyurl.com/3zffw8pr

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (X4yCj)

39 31 They better be ready to pay metric shitloads of property taxes.

Because county taxing authorities don't give a shit about your wants. Only theirs.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 12, 2024 11:10 AM (oWBqB)

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Posit:

The SEC will write a rule that makes it illegal to tax these corporate entities. It will be blatantly unconstitutional. It will kick around the courts for a few years before SCOTUS just punts and it goes into effect anyway.

Discuss.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (GBKbO)

40 Ugh. Just ugh.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (9yWhg)

41 35 ::peeks from behind curtain::

Posted by: Bill Gates
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You always were a little shit.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (fEezT)

42 They better be ready to pay metric shitloads of property taxes.

Because county taxing authorities don't give a shit about your wants. Only theirs.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 12, 2024 11:10 AM (oWBqB)

And if you buy agricultural land, and don't farm it, usually the tax breaks go away.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (tkR6S)

43 Echoing comments above, there's not enough virtue signalling dumb money for this to get off the ground.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2024 11:13 AM (Gse2f)

44 Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (GBKbO)

Who controls the deed? The state? The county? Who is the authority who can say "this real estate transaction is not valid. You own nothing. Good day, sir."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:13 AM (9UlRk)

45 Let's check in with our stronk Gope Leadership that is Fighting So Hard For You (TM).

Johnson- Let's give Dems everything they want and continue trillion dollar deficits.

McConnell- Let's give Dems everything they want on illegals and tens of billions more for Ukraine.

Trump- Let's give Dems more abortion and forgive Bud Light.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at January 12, 2024 11:14 AM (IM8Vv)

46 We need to get out of the UN, and kick it out of the country.

If I were a presidential candidate, this would be a major part of my platform.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:14 AM (9yWhg)

47 Discuss.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (GBKbO)

business as usual

Posted by: BignJames at January 12, 2024 11:14 AM (AwYPR)

48 And if you buy agricultural land, and don't farm it, usually the tax breaks go away.

I own some timber land and get a small tax break for it. But the real gold is that I get the state farm bureau's glossy quarterly news brochure chock full of interesting, well-written articles.

*bursts into flame*

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:14 AM (CsUN+)

49 South Dakota, Georgia, and North Carolina are conspicuously absent from that list.

And Massachusetts is predictably absent.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 12, 2024 11:15 AM (Wnv9h)

50 Neither. It's fascism. It's the 'industrial' super-state seizing all aspects of society for the benefit of a few.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (IG4Id)
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Sure. But this aggregation of capital to purchase productive assets for the purpose of removing them from production is insane and possibly illegal because it is openly and blatantly manipulative of the wider market.

An honest government would at least look into it. We don't have one of those, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:15 AM (Zp1WF)

51 We need to get out of the UN, and kick it out of the country.

If I were a presidential candidate, this would be a major part of my platform.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Decades ago this should have been done. Raze the whole fucking thing.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 12, 2024 11:15 AM (R4t5M)

52 49 South Dakota, Georgia, and North Carolina are conspicuously absent from that list.

And Massachusetts is predictably absent.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 12, 2024 11:15 AM (Wnv9h)

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As is Rhode Island, which is to be expected since Rhode Island does not actually exist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:16 AM (GBKbO)

53 Sure. But this aggregation of capital to purchase productive assets for the purpose of removing them from production is insane and possibly illegal because it is openly and blatantly manipulative of the wider market.

An honest government would at least look into it. We don't have one of those, though.

Sure, but I think this is less of a threat than people think, at least until proven otherwise. My hair status is calm and not on fire, at least for now.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:16 AM (CsUN+)

54 Decades ago this should have been done. Raze the whole fucking thing.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

Yep.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:16 AM (9yWhg)

55 I would encourage all leftists to put all of their monies into Natural Asset Companies.

Every last fucking cent.

Sell your homes, your EV's and liquidate everything to buy into this shit.

Do it. Do it now.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 12, 2024 11:16 AM (Q4IgG)

56
...state farm bureau's glossy quarterly news brochure chock full of...
scantily clad farmer's daughters.

Posted by: FIFY at January 12, 2024 11:17 AM (NBVIP)

57 They better be ready to pay metric shitloads of property taxes.

Because county taxing authorities don't give a shit about your wants. Only theirs.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 12, 2024 11:10 AM (oWBqB)

And if you buy agricultural land, and don't farm it, usually the tax breaks go away.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM

As blue state legislatures rush to rewrite the property tax laws to exempt land owned by NACs....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 12, 2024 11:17 AM (Wnv9h)

58 Delaware (where most large companies are incorporated) now authorizes "public benefit companies", which don't have to solely strive for profit. Half way to a non-profit. There have been few takers.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2024 11:17 AM (Gse2f)

59 >>>And if you buy agricultural land, and don't farm it, usually the tax breaks go away.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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A lot of places have sanctuary exemptions.
The ag man comes and does an evaluation. It usually necessitates clearing invasive plants, creating habitats for threatened native species, buffer zones at the roads. It's not difficult if you want to maintain your exemption.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 12, 2024 11:17 AM (fEezT)

60 Sure, but I think this is less of a threat than people think, at least until proven otherwise. My hair status is calm and not on fire, at least for now.
Posted by: Archimedes

Didn't you just burst into flame?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:17 AM (9yWhg)

61 An honest government would at least look into it. We don't have one of those, though.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:15 AM (Zp1WF)

Sell the land and pocket the money. I

Posted by: MAC V SOG at January 12, 2024 11:17 AM (P4Pk9)

62 Greedy corporations stealing The Land from the natives.

Disgusting.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:18 AM (9UlRk)

63 And if you buy agricultural land, and don't farm it, usually the tax breaks go away.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Toot sweet. And 100 acres sitting fallow is now taxed at whattever the rate is on $700,000.
(Market value of $7000/acre)

So when you hit 1,000 acres, you're being taxed on $7 million dollars with not tax breaks.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 12, 2024 11:18 AM (oWBqB)

64 That "trillion dollar coin" idea may not be so whacko after all.

Posted by: BignJames at January 12, 2024 11:18 AM (AwYPR)

65 The Nature Conservancy has been doing that kind of shit for years!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...liberal esthete at January 12, 2024 11:19 AM (5ghi+)

66 Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM (GBKbO)

You're not the boss of me.

Posted by: spindrift at January 12, 2024 11:19 AM (AA8bA)

67 Sure, but I think this is less of a threat than people think, at least until proven otherwise. My hair status is calm and not on fire, at least for now.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:16 AM (CsUN+)
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It all comes down to how much capital they can aggregate. In the current environment of rising interest rates and greater costs, the amount of capital they can aggregate is likely shrinking. There are some stupendously rich people and governments that are surely on board, but there's also likely no way to make this a profitable exercise (or at least, not profitable enough to offset its opportunity cost). That doesn't really matter today, but it is starting to matter more.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:19 AM (Zp1WF)

68 Natural Resources Defense Council, May '21

Soon after taking office, President Biden issued an executive order to tackle the climate crisis domestically and abroad. In it, he established a national goal to conserve at least 30 percent of U.S. lands and freshwater and 30 percent of U.S. ocean areas by 2030, in an initiative commonly referred to as 30x30.
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"...and abroad." Like Ukraine?

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear. They only have to outrun us - for now at January 12, 2024 11:19 AM (GshMh)

69 "'Someday this war's gonna end'. That'd be just fine with the boys on the boat. They weren't looking for anything more than a way home. Trouble is, I'd been back there, and I knew that it just didn't exist anymore."

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 11:19 AM (pZ64F)

70 Thanks for covering & focusing attention on this this, Buck -- Karol Markowicz & Glenn Beck have been all over this of late.

This will fast-track their psychopathic dream of seizing private property and starving "We the Chattel (TM)" [Out: We The People].

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 12, 2024 11:19 AM (ZG6kI)

71 >>And if you buy agricultural land, and don't farm it, usually the tax breaks go away.

Declare it prime environmental sanctuary and sell credits to developers in other states. 30 acres of overgrown low lands in municipal settings = 200 luxury condos on a hill in Colorado.

Posted by: DanMan at January 12, 2024 11:20 AM (8uzBS)

72 We may have a Dem governor but Kris Kobach is one of the best AGs out there.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 12, 2024 11:20 AM (L8hCM)

73 If the land is being used for agriculture then keep using it and when they complain about it tell them to get fucked

Posted by: MAC V SOG at January 12, 2024 11:20 AM (P4Pk9)

74 BTW, Black Rock tried to do something similar with housing and commercial real estate. They've taken an absolute beating as a result.

Blackstone is the latest victim of the weakening commercial real estate market

http://tinyurl.com/yxe8ps6t

They've also lost a ton of money in other ESG investments.

http://tinyurl.com/8rprzmcx

These are not supermen.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:21 AM (CsUN+)

75 My hair status is calm and not on fire, at least for now.
Posted by: Archimedes

Sheesh. Hair. Luxury!

Mrs D gave me a fuzzy hat and said be happy with that.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2024 11:21 AM (W/lyH)

76 Buck next will be advocating for selling off National Parks

Posted by: Paul banned at January 12, 2024 11:21 AM (+7y2Y)

77 Prolapse Paul!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 12, 2024 11:22 AM (R4t5M)

78 Posted by: Paul banned at January 12, 2024 11:21 AM (+7y2Y)

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Do you know how much Western land is owned by the federal government?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

79 Communism is a luxury only the wealthiest can afford.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 12, 2024 11:03 AM (rSl/w)

some animals are more equal tovarisch.

and they must have some natural space to unwind from the rigors of leadership away from the masses of unwashed....

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 12, 2024 11:22 AM (nXhwP)

80 58 Delaware (where most large companies are incorporated) now authorizes "public benefit companies", which don't have to solely strive for profit. Half way to a non-profit. There have been few takers.
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Big Business did this in the 50s. It was the first corporate form of affirmative action. Please note, that by 1969 the Yankee Exodus began and has not stopped. Killing yourself for good intentions really sucks.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 11:22 AM (pZ64F)

81 Buck next will be advocating for selling off National Parks

Reading comprehension not your strong suit I see.

Posted by: Halfhand at January 12, 2024 11:22 AM (KTgT6)

82 ...state farm bureau's glossy quarterly news brochure chock full of...
scantily clad farmer's daughters.

I wish. If it were so, I might actually open it before roundfiling it.

Didn't you just burst into flame?

I did, but for a different reason. Also, I got better.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

83 SEC head Gary Gensler is a conniving little shit. ex-Goldman -- once in, never out. He's been pushing for the SEC's horrendous Climate Change proposal which is already DOA. Like this Natural Asset Company idea, I suspect it's to distract from other chicanery

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2024 11:23 AM (Gse2f)

84
Blackstone is the latest victim of the weakening commercial real estate market

_____________

If we don't bail them out, Grandma's pension will vanish.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2024 11:23 AM (MoZTd)

85 >South Dakota, Georgia, and North Carolina are conspicuously absent from that list.

Can't speak for SD & GA, but NC is absent because we have a communist Democrat (BIRM) AG (who is running for Gov).

While we are a red state, we've been electing Dems to statewide office for a while, but it's been changing, these seem to be the last gasps - and the COVID refugees from the northeast have been helping. We will also gain probably +4 Republicans (not that it matters much...) to Congress next year because the state court pushed a Dem redistricting map. Rs took over the state supreme court last year (elections for judges here) and reversed it, so 2024 will have the new maps.

Posted by: Memories at January 12, 2024 11:23 AM (mwcEF)

86 82 Didn't you just burst into flame?

I did, but for a different reason. Also, I got better.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

======

So, you're no longer flamin'?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:24 AM (GBKbO)

87 Am not a fan of co-existing with commies. 2024 or bust.

Posted by: mossomo at January 12, 2024 11:24 AM (pky95)

88 The SEC will write a rule that makes it illegal to tax these corporate entities. It will be blatantly unconstitutional. It will kick around the courts for a few years before SCOTUS just punts and it goes into effect anyway.

Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Point understood, but the SEC is a quasi-governmental organization - technically not a branch of the Federal government. It would have to, under normal circumstances that we don't live in anymore, come from the IRS or another agency that would somehow force the states to recognize the NACs as federally sponsored entities - even then it should take legislation for that to work .

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:24 AM (IG4Id)

89 Do you know how much Western land is owned by the federal government?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

The universe of things that Kurt doesn't know is damn near infinite.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:24 AM (aD39U)

90 So they're just going to piss away money? I don't think this would last all that long.

Posted by: Obscure at January 12, 2024 11:24 AM (EuuuN)

91 ... ~~Karol Markowicz~~ is & Glenn Beck have been all over this of late.

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Ugh, it was Carol Roth -- as Buck references above.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 12, 2024 11:24 AM (ZG6kI)

92 If we don't bail them out, Grandma's pension will vanish.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2024 11:23 AM (MoZTd)

And then they'll be force fed Alpo and thrown off a cliff.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 12, 2024 11:24 AM (R4t5M)

93 So, you're no longer flamin'?

Flamin' or A flamin'....

Big difference

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:25 AM (CsUN+)

94 The road to a 500 million world population. Only need to kill about 7.5 billion of us...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:25 AM (ynpvh)

95 So they're just going to piss away money? I don't think this would last all that long.
Posted by: Obscure at January 12, 2024 11:24 AM (EuuuN)

On the plus side, it's anti-inflationary.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (aD39U)

96 Carol Walsh tweeted out an exceptional thread explaining the whole situation. I am printing it below in its entirety.

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Carol Roth, Buck -- you likely had Michael's last name on your brain.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (ZG6kI)

97 What do they need a new form of corporate structure for? Any form of company or trust can own land. Many companies already do, including REITs which are specifically designed to manage real estate.

This seems more like a broker scam to pimp a "new" form of investment to generate commissions.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (iFTx/)

98 Do you know how much Western land is owned by the federal government?
____

I'm still hoping a Western state governor, with the full backing of the state legislature, re-appropriates Federal lands in their state. Using state LEO if necessary to retain state control.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (fs1hN)

99 Huh, just heard that Fox News has cancelled all Mike Lindell My Pillow commercials from it's channel. Mike Gallagher just announced it.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (DBrN4)

100 93 So, you're no longer flamin'?

Flamin' or A flamin'....

Big difference

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:25 AM (CsUN+)

Flammable vs inflammable. Discuss.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (ynpvh)

101 Speaking of this, what is the current situation in Sri Lanka? Weren't they hanging politicians there last year?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (aD39U)

102 I'd be perfectly OK with selling off National Parks, or at least large parts of them. Or open them up to carefully-managed resource extraction. Most National Parks, both in the USA and Canada, are vastly larger than they need to be to protect the iconic features that led to them being made Parks in the first place.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (tkR6S)

103 Didn't Glenn Beck die three times last year?

Posted by: Hard to keep up at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (NBVIP)

104 What do they need a new form of corporate structure for? Any form of company or trust can own land. Many companies already do, including REITs which are specifically designed to manage real estate.

This seems more like a broker scam to pimp a "new" form of investment to generate commissions.

Agree. The angle may be tax breaks for charity. It's hard to say.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (CsUN+)

105 I've read a lot about how the likes of Bill Gates and China are buying up a lot of farmland. Perhaps they are trying to take it out of production, but I look at it this way: if things get really shirty, the American people have ways of forcibly taking all that farmland back.

Posted by: RebeccaH at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (Nvors)

106 99 Huh, just heard that Fox News has cancelled all Mike Lindell My Pillow commercials from it's channel. Mike Gallagher just announced it.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (DBrN4)

Well, he supported Trump and Fox hates Trump.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (ynpvh)

107 Huh, just heard that Fox News has cancelled all Mike Lindell My Pillow commercials from it's channel. Mike Gallagher just announced it.

Isn't he about 90% of their ad revenue? That should work out well for Fox.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (CsUN+)

108 This, this is the kind of thing that wants me to see Wall Street and DC carpet bombed for 24 hours straight.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (OUMaO)

109 This seems more like a broker scam to pimp a "new" form of investment to generate commissions.
Posted by: Elric Blad

Locking up natural resources is more than just 'for commission.' A lot of people could be killed.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (IG4Id)

110 I don't see how this even legal. It will take somebody with deep pockets to sue the sh&t out of them.

Posted by: vic at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (A5THL)

111 *Flammable vs inflammable. Discuss.*

You're not the boss of me.

Posted by: Like someone else said at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (NBVIP)

112 Huh, just heard that Fox News has cancelled all Mike Lindell My Pillow commercials from it's channel. Mike Gallagher just announced it.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (DBrN4)

Don't think I saw one yesterday....anywhere.

Posted by: BignJames at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (AwYPR)

113 Natural Asset Companies are another scam developed by the left. All of their scams are designed to shift money into their pockets, but they're leftists and have no fucking idea how markets work.

None whatsoever.

The entire concept is hopelessly asinine. People who "invest" in this scam are going to lose. It's why I encourage every leftist to "go all in."

All that's needed is for Jim Cramer to push it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (Q4IgG)

114 104 What do they need a new form of corporate structure for? Any form of company or trust can own land. Many companies already do, including REITs which are specifically designed to manage real estate.

This seems more like a broker scam to pimp a "new" form of investment to generate commissions.

Agree. The angle may be tax breaks for charity. It's hard to say.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (CsUN+)
_____________

Possibly, but charitable companies and trusts already exist and can own land (and many do). Something smells about this, and it's not just the object of taking land out of circulation.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

115 What do they need a new form of corporate structure for? Any form of company or trust can own land. Many companies already do, including REITs which are specifically designed to manage real estate. ...
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (iFTx/)
++++
There are two problems with REITs:
1. They aren't nearly corrupt enough
2. The investor in a REIT has an expectation of returns

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:30 AM (Zp1WF)

116 108 This, this is the kind of thing that wants me to see Wall Street and DC carpet bombed for 24 hours straight.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 12, 2024 11:29 AM (OUMaO)

Joke Punchline: "You threw the wrong Bitch of the train."

Those are just the edifices. You need to reach the actual controllers of the knobs and their minions.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:30 AM (ynpvh)

117 "They want lots of people killt.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory"

I think they will be satisfied with people being to weak, fat and lazy to have and raise kids. Which is kind of where we are now.

Posted by: Ripley at January 12, 2024 11:30 AM (JojsZ)

118 They're going to do their best to shut up the OrangeManBad supporters.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 12, 2024 11:30 AM (R4t5M)

119 Perhaps Lindell can sell Relief Factor.

Posted by: Just give it three weeks at January 12, 2024 11:30 AM (NBVIP)

120 I'd be perfectly OK with selling off National Parks, or at least large parts of them. Or open them up to carefully-managed resource extraction. Most National Parks, both in the USA and Canada, are vastly larger than they need to be to protect the iconic features that led to them being made Parks in the first place.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

I wouldn't want a CCP company running anything in the US.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (IG4Id)

121 I'd be perfectly OK with selling off National Parks, or at least large parts of them. Or open them up to carefully-managed resource extraction. Most National Parks, both in the USA and Canada, are vastly larger than they need to be to protect the iconic features that led to them being made Parks in the first place.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Agreed. And we have too many of them anyway.

In fact, I'd be in favor of a Constitutional amendment prohibiting the Federal government from owning any land outside of DC.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (9yWhg)

122 Having solved all of NYC's other problems, Mayor Adams has now ventured into cutting edge medicine.

Vegan NYC Mayor Under Fire After He Advocates Ditching Diabetes Medication

http://tinyurl.com/bdd8w22e

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (CsUN+)

123 ... rather they would often be seeking to remove the productivity of assets in the name of some type of "climate justice".

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FOOD JUSTICE >>>>>>> CLIMATE JUSTICE

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (E9yPw)

124 The entire concept is hopelessly asinine. People who "invest" in this scam are going to lose. It's why I encourage every leftist to "go all in."

All that's needed is for Jim Cramer to push it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer

Institutional investors. Blackrock and the like. Which means you and I will wind up bankrolling this abomination. Guaranteed.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (OUMaO)

125 I wonder if these corporations could buy enough land to matter.

They could, however, win the rigged bids for resources on Federal land, and then never develop or utilize them.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (aD39U)

126 51 We need to get out of the UN, and kick it out of the country.

If I were a presidential candidate, this would be a major part of my platform.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Decades ago this should have been done. Raze the whole fucking thing.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 12, 2024 11:15 AM (R4t5M)

Even better, dismantle the UN building brick by brick, and ship it to the prime seaside land in Gaza to be rebuilt.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 12, 2024 11:32 AM (v23vE)

127 117 "They want lots of people killt.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory"

I think they will be satisfied with people being to weak, fat and lazy to have and raise kids. Which is kind of where we are now.

Posted by: Ripley at January 12, 2024 11:30 AM (JojsZ)

I have ancestors that wore kilts. Does that count?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:32 AM (ynpvh)

128 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 12, 2024 11:32 AM (vf0Uk)

129 120 I'd be perfectly OK with selling off National Parks, or at least large parts of them. Or open them up to carefully-managed resource extraction. Most National Parks, both in the USA and Canada, are vastly larger than they need to be to protect the iconic features that led to them being made Parks in the first place.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

I wouldn't want a CCP company running anything in the US.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (IG4Id)

Mexico requires voter ID to vote.
Mexico does not allow foreigners to own land.

At least 2 things Mexico has right.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:32 AM (ynpvh)

130 I wouldn't want a CCP company running anything in the US.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (IG4Id)

Well, then, they need to be prevented from running anything in the private sector.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (tkR6S)

131 Maybe states should also set up a special very high tax for NACs with property within the state boundry.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (fs1hN)

132 121 I'd be perfectly OK with selling off National Parks, or at least large parts of them. Or open them up to carefully-managed resource extraction. Most National Parks, both in the USA and Canada, are vastly larger than they need to be to protect the iconic features that led to them being made Parks in the first place.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Agreed. And we have too many of them anyway.

In fact, I'd be in favor of a Constitutional amendment prohibiting the Federal government from owning any land outside of DC.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (9yWhg)

DC is already a clown zone. Does that count as a park?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (ynpvh)

133 NACs are designed to protect “climate” and “biodiversity” by acquiring the rights to natural assets - both publicly and privately owned - and then taking them out of formerly productive uses ...

I'd like to point out that not only is this evil, it's stupid. When the SHTF no one is going to care that you're idiot club has a piece of paper which says you own this chunk of quality farmland. Or ranchland. Or whatever.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (GYIa4)

134 Those are just the edifices. You need to reach the actual controllers of the knobs and their minions.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

They become harmless if nobody is willing to work for/with them anymore.

Hard to be an evil overlord if ya got no minions...

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (OUMaO)

135 I guess Lindell found out about it last night and will be doing a video or something about it. He is on Newsmax so he's still got that. Personally I'm sick of the Relief Factor, Relaxium, fruits and veggies commercials myself.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (DBrN4)

136 115 What do they need a new form of corporate structure for? Any form of company or trust can own land. Many companies already do, including REITs which are specifically designed to manage real estate. ...
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (iFTx/)
++++
There are two problems with REITs:
1. They aren't nearly corrupt enough
2. The investor in a REIT has an expectation of returns
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:30 AM (Zp1WF)
______________

True, but #2 is just because REITs are traditional investments. You can easily set up a REIT -- or any other form of structure -- that specifically promotes itself as doing exactly that NACs do. Any "investors" in that REIT will have no expectation of profit and will be motivated by whatever evil motivation there would be to invest in NACs.

Something else is afoot . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (iFTx/)

137 They won't stop. They are evil to the core. They think they should be in control. They think they should have all the power. They think their way is the ONLY way and you should be re-educated or enslaved if you don't agree. They are the Devil incarnate.

They must be stopped and their ideas destroyed. For the benefit of humanity.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 12, 2024 11:34 AM (vf0Uk)

138 Don't think I saw one yesterday....anywhere.
Posted by: BignJames

Saw My Pillow ads on Newsmax yesterday.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 12, 2024 11:34 AM (ViCCR)

139 ...state farm bureau's glossy quarterly news brochure chock full of...
scantily clad farmer's daughters.
Posted by: FIFY at January 12, 2024 11:17 AM (NBVIP)

who knew Mannix was a publisher?

is he zombie hugh heffner?

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 12, 2024 11:34 AM (nXhwP)

140 131 Maybe states should also set up a special very high tax for NACs with property within the state boundry.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (fs1hN)

Just tax them for their unrealized gains, like the left wants to do to the rest of us.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:34 AM (ynpvh)

141 I guess Lindell found out about it last night and will be doing a video or something about it. He is on Newsmax so he's still got that. Personally I'm sick of the Relief Factor, Relaxium, fruits and veggies commercials myself.

I find that not watching Fox greatly reduces the irritation he causes.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:35 AM (CsUN+)

142 I wonder if these corporations could buy enough land to matter.

They could, however, win the rigged bids for resources on Federal land, and then never develop or utilize them.

Posted by: G'rump928(c)

I suspect that's the play. How much oil/shale producing land is Fed owned? Isn't that how FJB's been fucking with petrochem production?

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 12, 2024 11:35 AM (OUMaO)

143 The entire concept is hopelessly asinine. People who "invest" in this scam are going to lose. It's why I encourage every leftist to "go all in."

All that's needed is for Jim Cramer to push it.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

It's a lot worse than just a bad investment scheme. It has to the potential for another Holodomor.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:35 AM (IG4Id)

144 "In fact, I'd be in favor of a Constitutional amendment prohibiting the Federal government from owning any land outside of DC.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus"

No way they are giving up Area 51. Where would they put all those ufo and alien remains? One of those storage places?

Posted by: Ripley at January 12, 2024 11:35 AM (JojsZ)

145 ... but it could also put those decisions in the hands of institutions, such as foreign govts, which could invest in these NACs and have de facto control over America’s resources.

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Decisions by American presidents & other bought-and-paid-for pols in the hands of foreign governments?

While, I NEVER ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 12, 2024 11:35 AM (E9yPw)

146 134 Those are just the edifices. You need to reach the actual controllers of the knobs and their minions.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

They become harmless if nobody is willing to work for/with them anymore.

Hard to be an evil overlord if ya got no minions...

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (OUMaO)

evil overlords can always regroup and rebuild. Just like the weeds in my lawn, if I'm not on top of them, they take over.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:35 AM (ynpvh)

147 I think all the western states have at least half the land owned by the Feds. (Not sure about CA). I believe NV is 80%. They should be considered territories, not sovereign states.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 12, 2024 11:36 AM (L8hCM)

148 No way they are giving up Area 51. Where would they put all those ufo and alien remains? One of those storage places?

Posted by: Ripley

Ahem. "Ehrlenmyer Flask".

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 12, 2024 11:36 AM (OUMaO)

149 141 I guess Lindell found out about it last night and will be doing a video or something about it. He is on Newsmax so he's still got that. Personally I'm sick of the Relief Factor, Relaxium, fruits and veggies commercials myself.

I find that not watching Fox greatly reduces the irritation he causes.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2024 11:35 AM (CsUN+)

If you're allergic to FOX stop using FOX immediately.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:36 AM (ynpvh)

150 Power outage. Again. Biden America.

That article WeirdDave linked on the ONT last night about the wholesale replacement of competence with diversity is definitely relevant.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 12, 2024 11:37 AM (2ocoG)

151 True, but #2 is just because REITs are traditional investments. You can easily set up a REIT -- or any other form of structure -- that specifically promotes itself as doing exactly that NACs do. Any "investors" in that REIT will have no expectation of profit and will be motivated by whatever evil motivation there would be to invest in NACs.

Something else is afoot . . . .
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (iFTx/)
++++
Yes, of course. The "something else" is probably a market manipulation, if I had to guess. Take production capacity offline so as to drive up the price and increase the value of your holdings in other enterprises engaged in that production (or just pure buy-and-hold speculation, but you get the added benefit of moving the market and tightening it).

If something else *weren't* afoot, then it would be - as you pointed out - a REIT. I think it is probably an open manipulation exercise hiding behind climate virtue to keep the regulators and political class away from the obvious, "whoa, hold on a second here" reaction.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:37 AM (Zp1WF)

152 "You'll own nothing, and be happy" - German control freak Klaus Schwab

Behold, all the noble interests taking on the burden of property and unhappiness for us proles!

Posted by: callsign claymore at January 12, 2024 11:37 AM (JcnCJ)

153 No way they are giving up Area 51. Where would they put all those ufo and alien remains? One of those storage places?
Posted by: Ripley

If they wanna keep it, they can lease it from the state (Nevada?) where it's located.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:37 AM (9yWhg)

154 152 "You'll own nothing, and be happy" - German control freak Klaus Schwab

Behold, all the noble interests taking on the burden of property and unhappiness for us proles!

Posted by: callsign claymore at January 12, 2024 11:37 AM (JcnCJ)

Him first

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (ynpvh)

155 147 I think all the western states have at least half the land owned by the Feds. (Not sure about CA). I believe NV is 80%. They should be considered territories, not sovereign states.
____

I'm guessing if you exclude Fed land in NV, it might be the size of a RI or two.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (fs1hN)

156 Him first
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (ynpvh)
++++
No way. He's a genius master of the universe leader in the ruling class. Peasant rules don't apply to him.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (Zp1WF)

157 No way they are giving up Area 51. Where would they put all those ufo and alien remains? One of those storage places?
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The warehouse where the Arc of the Covenant is stored. I think its in Newark, NJ.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (pZ64F)

158 If they wanna keep it, they can lease it from the state (Nevada?) where it's located.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:37 AM (9yWhg)

Next, on Storage Wars...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (tkR6S)

159 156 Him first
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (ynpvh)
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No way. He's a genius master of the universe leader in the ruling class. Peasant rules don't apply to him.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (Zp1WF)

Remove ownership? Him first.
Reduce world population? Him first.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2024 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

160 Hey, Mike. Call us.

Posted by: Balance Of Nature at January 12, 2024 11:39 AM (NBVIP)

161 whoa, hold on a second here" reaction.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:37 AM (Zp1WF)

"How can we set up a fake REIT to launder money and manipulate markets?"

"I'unno. Just wave your arms around and yell 'CLIMATE' until the idiots think it's their idea."

"See, this is why you get the Big Bucks, boss."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:39 AM (9UlRk)

162 143 Holodomor 2.0 is the plan. That's why the EU / WEF maniacs are trying to kill farming in The Netherlands, Germany, and Ireland.

Posted by: callsign claymore at January 12, 2024 11:40 AM (JcnCJ)

163 "You'll own nothing, and be happy" - German control freak Klaus Schwab

People keep taking pictures of him out in public in a Speedo. I wish he owned more clothes, because brain bleach is back-ordered.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 12, 2024 11:40 AM (2ocoG)

164 "How can we set up a fake REIT to launder money and manipulate markets?"

"I'unno. Just wave your arms around and yell 'CLIMATE' until the idiots think it's their idea."

"See, this is why you get the Big Bucks, boss."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:39 AM (9UlRk)
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LOL. This is my reaction to it. Sure, there are other benefits - increasing foreign ownership, transfer of assets to bad actors, etc. - but I suspect it's probably primarily a market manipulation scheme.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:40 AM (Zp1WF)

165 North Carolina AG is leftwing Dem Josh Stein, so I don't think he'd be signing on to this effort.

Posted by: go get your fuckin shine box at January 12, 2024 11:41 AM (kvDvI)

166 Collectivism is a cancer

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 12, 2024 11:41 AM (xcxpd)

167 The more paper you have, the easier it is to make fake paper.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:42 AM (9UlRk)

168 "South Dakota, Georgia, and North Carolina are conspicuously absent from that list [of AG's fighting against the establishment of NAC's]."

The reason for that is the elements in our (South Dakota's) state government that are heavily invested in things like carbon capture, wind, and solar energy. Red states aren't immune to this kind of bullshit.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:42 AM (aCVzN)

169 The more paper you have, the easier it is to make fake paper.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:42 AM (9UlRk)
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We must have fake paper to prevent the scourge of deforestation!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:42 AM (Zp1WF)

170 The more paper you have, the easier it is to make fake paper.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:42 AM (9UlRk)

If you crumple an 8.5x11 sheet of paper enough, it turns into a tissue you can use for various things, if needed.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 12, 2024 11:42 AM (vf0Uk)

171 Something else is afoot . . . .
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (iFTx/)
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:: channels Sponge ::

You asked for it. Sort of:
https://youtu.be/p98PjtSfNWo

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:43 AM (Zp1WF)

172 South Dakota, Georgia, and North Carolina are conspicuously absent from that list.

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So is Arizona since stolen elections have consequences.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 12, 2024 11:43 AM (6ZZeJ)

173 169.

We could have had hemp paper (and I guess we still could) if not for the yellow-journalist panic from Hearst and Anslinger. And don't even get me started about how racist they were when it came to protecting Hearst's timber/pulp empire.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:43 AM (aCVzN)

174
You asked for it. Sort of:
https://youtu.be/p98PjtSfNWo
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:43 AM (Zp1WF)

Approved!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 12, 2024 11:43 AM (vf0Uk)

175 If you crumple an 8.5x11 sheet of paper enough, it turns into a tissue you can use for various things, if needed.
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You don't have shirt sleeves?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 11:43 AM (pZ64F)

176 170.

But you can't fold any sheet of paper more than 8 times, if you can even get that far. Try it sometime!

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (aCVzN)

177 Good News! It's -19 deg F right now and will be -32 deg F tomorrow. I was in Chicago a few years ago when this happened and seizing productive land was made easy but you had to deal with a stack of homeless corpses.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (J3ryZ)

178 Have you ever eaten a pine tree? Some parts are edible.

Posted by: Ewell Gibbons at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (NBVIP)

179 But you can't fold any sheet of paper more than 8 times, if you can even get that far. Try it sometime!
Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (aCVzN)
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Bullshit

Posted by: Hydraulic Press at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (Zp1WF)

180 Sounds like they want a publicly traded version of The Nature Conservancy.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (dZVON)

181 The reason for that is the elements in our (South Dakota's) state government that are heavily invested in things like carbon capture, wind, and solar energy. Red states aren't immune to this kind of bullshit.

I'm a big fan of setting things up to take money from the Communists but that ain't how you do it.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 12, 2024 11:45 AM (2ocoG)

182 Have you ever eaten a pine tree? Some parts are edible.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (NBVIP)

Chefs use coriander and rosemary in a lot of dishes.

Tasting the spices raw makes one get the sensation of eating a pine tree.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 12, 2024 11:45 AM (vf0Uk)

183 Have you ever eaten a pine tree? Some parts are edible.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (NBVIP)

That's nuts.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:45 AM (9UlRk)

184 179 But you can't fold any sheet of paper more than 8 times, if you can even get that far. Try it sometime!
Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (aCVzN)
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Bullshit
Posted by: Hydraulic Press at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (Zp1WF)

========

"Wait! I have an idea!"
*scribbles "Haunted Hydraulic Press" in the corner of a piece of paper, takes a very long line of coke, immediately has 17,000 words of next book done*
-Stephen King

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:45 AM (GBKbO)

185 179.

Try it. And then think about it: Every time you fold a piece of paper, its thickness effectively doubles. By the time you get to 8 folds, it then becomes like trying to fold a ream (256 sheets). It is physically impossible for any human being to fold one sheet of paper more than 8 times...

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (aCVzN)

186 Have you ever eaten a pine tree? Some parts are edible.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons

The bark is worse than the bite.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (IG4Id)

187 Have you ever eaten a pine tree? Some parts are edible.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons

I remember that ad. It was quite a pitch.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (9yWhg)

188 This blonde in gray is pretty sure this is all a depraved and nasty scam:
http://tiny.cc/4mf0wz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (Zp1WF)

189 This is definitely more on the Marxian side of the state controlling the "means of production".

It's funny that Marxism needs fascism to bootstrap it, though.

(If they are not pretty already the same thing in practice.)

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (krQz2)

190 Wait! I have an idea!"
*scribbles "Haunted Hydraulic Press" in the corner of a piece of paper, takes a very long line of coke, immediately has 17,000 words of next book done*
-Stephen King
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 12, 2024 11:45 AM (GBKbO)

The Smooshing? No... Permanent Press... no....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (9UlRk)

191 This blonde in gray is pretty sure this is all a depraved and nasty scam:
http://tiny.cc/4mf0wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (Zp1WF)

Those are some cruel shoes.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (aD39U)

192 181.

In practice, taking money from communists means accepting "generous" but temporary federal subsidies that always come with strings attached (cf. ethanol/corn, ca. 1986). Nobody who claims to dislike Joe Biden or the Biden-era EPA should be on board with this.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (aCVzN)

193 Q: Why are Helen Keller's fingers purple?

A: Because she heard it through the grapevine!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (Zp1WF)

194 188 This blonde in gray is pretty sure this is all a depraved and nasty scam:
http://tiny.cc/4mf0wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (Zp1WF)

Legs......

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (xcxpd)

195 Try it. And then think about it: Every time you fold a piece of paper, its thickness effectively doubles. By the time you get to 8 folds, it then becomes like trying to fold a ream (256 sheets). It is physically impossible for any human being to fold one sheet of paper more than 8 times...
Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (aCVzN)

You might not be able to fold a ream, but you can ream a fold.

Posted by: Achmed in the sheep meadow at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (tkR6S)

196 You'd be a sap to even try.

Posted by: Ewell Gibbons at January 12, 2024 11:48 AM (NBVIP)

197 This blonde in gray is pretty sure this is all a depraved and nasty scam:
http://tiny.cc/4mf0wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Wow. Busty and leggy, and a great smile. What's not to love?

(I know, I know. TJM will find something.)

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:48 AM (9yWhg)

198 Have you ever eaten a pine tree? Some parts are edible.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons
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Exactly. It's wasteful just to throw your tree out after Christmas.

Think of all the kids starving in Asia who would love to have that Christmas tree.

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:48 AM (krQz2)

199 191 This blonde in gray is pretty sure this is all a depraved and nasty scam:
http://tiny.cc/4mf0wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (Zp1WF)

Those are some cruel shoes.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (aD39U)

They're not for walking in

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 12, 2024 11:48 AM (xcxpd)

200 191 This blonde in gray is pretty sure this is all a depraved and nasty scam:
http://tiny.cc/4mf0wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:46 AM (Zp1WF

I'd hire her.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 12, 2024 11:49 AM (NvyWM)

201 Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP)

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CHOP? As in chop it off?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 12, 2024 11:49 AM (FVME7)

202 My bad. I was incorrect. A ream of paper is 500 sheets. But still, try folding half-a-ream. You can't. You won't. And that's why you can't fold a single piece of paper more than 8 times.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:49 AM (aCVzN)

203 You'd be a sap to even try.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons at January 12, 2024 11:48 AM (NBVIP)
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We've branched far from the topic.

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:49 AM (krQz2)

204 Have you ever eaten a pine tree? Some parts are edible.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons at January 12, 2024 11:44 AM (NBVIP)

I've had Zirbenschnaps, an eau de vie made from the sap in pine cones.

Which proves you can ferment just about anything you set your mind to.

Posted by: spindrift at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (AA8bA)

205 What about A1 paper?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (9yWhg)

206 She's got heels. And she knows how to use them.

Posted by: ZZ Top at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (NBVIP)

207 We've branched far from the topic.
Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:49 AM (krQz2)

I boughed out after one.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (9UlRk)

208 You'd be a sap to even try.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons at January 12, 2024 11:48 AM (NBVIP)

Don't needle me.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (aD39U)

209 195. You might not be able to fold a ream, but you can ream a fold.

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This simply must be in the running for comment of the year '24, and we're not even halfway through January. LOLOL

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (aCVzN)

210 A proper response to these malevolent entities involves rounding them up (physically removing them from their operational areas and setting them in an open field for an undetermined amount of time. Humiliation is a great asset for control.

But physically removing them from any influence is paramount, no amount of debate is going to have the lightest effect, brute force is all that works. Plus preventing any further ascendance to power.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (KATBx)

211 You might not be able to fold a ream, but you can ream a fold.
Posted by: Achmed in the sheep meadow at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (tkR6S)
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But the sheep aren't going to trust you afterward.

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (krQz2)

212 Are these NAC's an outgrowth or evolution of conservation land trusts, or rather a parallel?

It sounds like the main difference is whether the acreage is privately owned or publicly owned.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 12, 2024 11:51 AM (991eG)

213 195. You might not be able to fold a ream, but you can ream a fold.
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This simply must be in the running for comment of the year '24, and we're not even halfway through January. LOLOL
Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (aCVzN)
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Yup. High-freaking-larious!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:51 AM (Zp1WF)

214 It's funny that Marxism needs fascism to bootstrap it, though.

(If they are not pretty already the same thing in practice.)
Posted by: Axeman

Marxism is the theology used to dupe the left into adopting legislation and diktat that always lead to a unannounced fascist state. The party elite live like fucking gentry. The only difference now is the 'elite' are trans-national.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:51 AM (IG4Id)

215 We've branched far from the topic.
Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:49 AM (krQz2)

I boughed out after one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (9UlRk)
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Phloem if they can't take a joke.

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:52 AM (krQz2)

216 212.

As someone from a rural state, I can tell you that once the CRP (conservation reserve program) genie got let out of the bottle, it's become impossible to put back.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:52 AM (aCVzN)

217 I think the "goal" is ultimately to destroy the categories of public and private.

Nothing is public. Nothing is private. Everything within the State. Et cetera.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:52 AM (9UlRk)

218 My bad. I was incorrect. A ream of paper is 500 sheets. But still, try folding half-a-ream. You can't. You won't. And that's why you can't fold a single piece of paper more than 8 times.
Posted by: Gryph

We already know this. You're preaching to the quire.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:52 AM (9yWhg)

219 I just watched this video of Israel presenting it's case before the ICC. It is amazing. All 30 minutes of it.
http://tinyurl.com/4eaapmfj

Maybe could be posted in the sidebar.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 12, 2024 11:53 AM (t/2Uw)

220 I don't mind the My Pillow ads, it gives me a chance to pee. At least Newsmax still has them and all the afternoon talk shows on the radio. I buy alot of My Pillow stuff.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 12, 2024 11:53 AM (DBrN4)

221 You'd be a sap to even try.
Posted by: Ewell Gibbons at January 12, 2024 11:48 AM (NBVIP)

Don't needle me.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM (aD39U)

Just enough junk in her trunk.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at January 12, 2024 11:53 AM (ufFY8)

222 You might not be able to fold a ream, but you can ream a fold.
Posted by: Achmed in the sheep meadow at January 12, 2024 11:47 AM (tkR6S)
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But the sheep aren't going to trust you afterward.
Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:50 AM

Sheep lie!!!

- Just the punchline

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 12, 2024 11:54 AM (Wnv9h)

223 163 There's always the photo of him in that ridiculous academic garb straight outta Star Trek. No bleach required.

Posted by: callsign claymore at January 12, 2024 11:54 AM (JcnCJ)

224 I think we've beaten this ream of paper thing into a pulp.

Posted by: Oof! at January 12, 2024 11:54 AM (NBVIP)

225 My bad. I was incorrect. A ream of paper is 500 sheets. But still, try folding half-a-ream. You can't. You won't. And that's why you can't fold a single piece of paper more than 8 times.

Is this only for a standard (letter or A4) size piece of paper only? Because I imagine with a large enough piece of paper you could probably generate the leverage needed to get a ninth fold done.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 12, 2024 11:54 AM (dZVON)

226 218.

Ahhhh...you're pretty smart for a moron.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:54 AM (aCVzN)

227 We already know this. You're preaching to the quire.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:52 AM

*golf clap*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 12, 2024 11:54 AM (Wnv9h)

228 "But does anyone call me the paper folder? No, they feckin' don't!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:54 AM (9UlRk)

229 My bad. I was incorrect. A ream of paper is 500 sheets. But still, try folding half-a-ream. You can't. You won't. And that's why you can't fold a single piece of paper more than 8 times.
Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:49 AM (aCVzN)

You have converging limits. Every time you fold the paper, its thickness doubles, and hence its resistance to further folding. At the same time, every time you fold the paper, the length of the lever arms that you grasp to fold the paper is halved.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:55 AM (tkR6S)

230 225.

Depends on the thickness, not the size. Seriously, jokes aside, try it. You might be surprised.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:55 AM (aCVzN)

231 ...the abandonment of the word “Latinx”...

Darn. To think I never used it to begin with.

Yes, NAC's are dangerous.
Remember the govt floating the idea of WHO having control over health resources and policy a few years ago? Same type of thing. It didn't poll well, so they stopped talking about it. But I'm sure it didn't "go away."

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 12, 2024 11:55 AM (Rbu5d)

232 AOC Brutally Heckled in Her Own District

http://tinyurl.com/y63da84h

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Poor baby!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 12, 2024 11:56 AM (FVME7)

233 We already know this. You're preaching to the quire.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:52 AM (9yWhg)

Heh!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:56 AM (tkR6S)

234 You can fold a piece of paper as much as you like as long as it's an accordion fold.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:56 AM (9UlRk)

235 "Negrix" never really caught on, either.

Posted by: NAACP at January 12, 2024 11:56 AM (NBVIP)

236 229.

I think I mentioned that upthread, but that's essentially it. And the size of the paper itself doesn't matter. With a sufficiently large size of paper to begin with, you may get *to* eight, but with anything except *possibly* tissue paper, you won't get to nine.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:56 AM (aCVzN)

237 "The Science of paper-folding is settled!"
-- Neil Degrasse Tyson

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:56 AM (9yWhg)

238 But I'm sure it didn't "go away."
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker

Much like rust, they never sleep.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:57 AM (IG4Id)

239 @realMikeLindell
3m
Fox News Cancelled MyPillow!
~~~~~

And the transformation of Fox is now complete.

Posted by: IrishEi at January 12, 2024 11:57 AM (BTgIn)

240

Rice University is offering a course specifically to address black chemistry and chemical education while promising to touch on "inequities" in the scientific field.

Rice, the more than 120-year-old university in Houston, Texas, lists CHEM 125 001 "Afrochemistry" on its course catalog for the 2024 spring semester.

http://tinyurl.com/mw5v48vv

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 12, 2024 11:57 AM (63Dwl)

241 Marxism is the theology used to dupe the left into adopting legislation and diktat that always lead to a unannounced fascist state. The party elite live like fucking gentry. The only difference now is the 'elite' are trans-national.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2024 11:51 AM (IG4Id)
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Ideally they are different though. When looked at as optimistic plans.

Marxism wants to do away with the state and have every body living without compulsion. It just needs, for a time, the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" to put its affairs in order before the state itself drinks the hemlock.

Fascism comes from Gentile's Concrete Idealism, and really is a cooperation model of which the state is he central conductor for the goals of the People.

Neither of them actually operate as drawn up.

Reality drags them both to the same center. The "provisional" state never really goes away. The cooperation model requires incrementally more compulsion, and with each wave of compulsion the State grows in real power, and more ambitious people enter the state simply *because* of that coercive power, and you get more realized compulsion.

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:58 AM (krQz2)

242 Rand Paul Exposes Nikki Haley as Globalist on New "Never Nikki" Website

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Welcome to the party, pal!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 12, 2024 11:58 AM (FVME7)

243 125 I wonder if these corporations could buy enough land to matter.

They could, however, win the rigged bids for resources on Federal land, and then never develop or utilize them.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 12, 2024 11:31 AM (aD39U)

They'd eventually go bankrupt unless it's really a laundering scheme to get those resources to someone who'd make use of them.

As an exercise in cornering the market I don't think these particular goods are very susceptible to that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 12, 2024 11:58 AM (eYoxG)

244 240.

"Afrochemistry?" What in the fresh hell is that? SMDH

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:58 AM (aCVzN)

245 Will FOX cancel Bud Light?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 11:59 AM (pZ64F)

246 They're literally, officially treating being black as a disability.

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:59 AM (9UlRk)

247 "Afrochemistry?" What in the fresh hell is that? SMDH
Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 11:58 AM (aCVzN)
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The study of the combustion properties of tires that are set alight for the purpose of area denial in South Africa civil unrest?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:59 AM (Zp1WF)

248 Huh, just heard that Fox News has cancelled all Mike Lindell My Pillow commercials from it's channel. Mike Gallagher just announced it.

Isn't he about 90% of their ad revenue? That should work out well for Fox.
Posted by: Archimedes

FNC's lip-gloss budget hardest hit.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:59 AM (9yWhg)

249 We've branched far from the topic.
Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 11:49 AM (krQz2)
*
I boughed out after one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024
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Phloem if they can't take a joke.
Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024

***
In school I knew a girl who played the xylemphone.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 12, 2024 11:59 AM (J2vNu)

250 Thanks Shain. I corrected Carol Roths last name.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at January 12, 2024 11:59 AM (+EZU4)

251 Is this only for a standard (letter or A4) size piece of paper only? Because I imagine with a large enough piece of paper you could probably generate the leverage needed to get a ninth fold done.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 12, 2024 11:54 AM (dZVON)

Give me a large enough piece of paper and a place to stand and I will fold the Earth.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 12, 2024 12:00 PM (eYoxG)

252 Will FOX cancel Bud Light?
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 11:59 AM (pZ64F)

NEVER!!!!

- - - Fox Executives Crossdressing

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 12, 2024 12:00 PM (vf0Uk)

253 "Afrochemistry?" Recipes for purple drank?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 12:00 PM (9yWhg)

254 Oh yeah? And when you fucksticks sell those public lands I'm gonna get my cut of the proceeds, right? At least a tax cut? Nah. I didn't think so.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 12, 2024 12:01 PM (0FoWg)

255 FNC's lip-gloss budget hardest hit.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 11:59 AM (9yWhg)

Sweet merciful fuck no i heard they're down to their last three tanker trailers.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 12:01 PM (9UlRk)

256 This blonde in gray is pretty sure this is all a depraved and nasty scam:
http://tiny.cc/4mf0wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024
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I'd hire her.
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 12, 2024

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Looks like Rebecca Romjin (sp?).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 12, 2024 12:01 PM (J2vNu)

257 I think I mentioned that upthread, but that's essentially it. And the size of the paper itself doesn't matter. With a sufficiently large size of paper to begin with, you may get *to* eight, but with anything except *possibly* tissue paper, you won't get to nine.

Brittney Gallivan got to 12. But she did use tissue paper.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 12, 2024 12:01 PM (dZVON)

258 AOC Brutally Heckled in Her Own District

http://tinyurl.com/y63da84h

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Poor baby!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 12, 2024 11:56

I doubt she knows how to handle a heckler.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 12, 2024 12:01 PM (NvyWM)

259 You can fold a piece of paper as much as you like as long as it's an accordion fold.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 11:56 AM (9UlRk)
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But the fold method being described is geometric, and an accordion fold is additive.

However, theoretically you can fold the paper again, in the geometric model. But given a finite length of paper and a finite size for the "slats" of the fold, you will run out of paper, which then only starts a semi-geometric series, as you try to "accordion" fold from the other direction.

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 12:02 PM (krQz2)

260 10...So you're burning up you investors' capital while calling it an "investment" (fraud), or you're openly and nakedly manipulating markets (fraud).

Which is it?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:05 AM (Zp1WF)

Definitely fraud. But as Mr asperin upthread said, "they want lots of people killt..

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 12, 2024 12:02 PM (Rbu5d)

261 Purple Drank is Afrochemistry.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 12, 2024 12:02 PM (R4t5M)

262 Give me a large enough piece of paper and a place to stand and I will fold the Earth.
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But can you fold space? I think not.

Posted by: Spacing Guild at January 12, 2024 12:02 PM (fs1hN)

263 AOC has been laying low these past weeks. I wonder why?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 12:02 PM (pZ64F)

264 171 Something else is afoot . . . .
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 11:33 AM (iFTx/)
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:: channels Sponge ::

You asked for it. Sort of:
https://youtu.be/p98PjtSfNWo
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 12, 2024 11:43 AM (Zp1WF)
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Underrated song!

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 12, 2024 12:02 PM (iFTx/)

265 248.

Cable networks no longer rely on ad revenue for continued existence. Every time a satellite channel goes blank because of "negotiations," it's a deadline that has passed for franchise fee increases. Cable companies tend to be less transparent; they just accept the fee increases and up your bill every year.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (aCVzN)

266 Comic Legend George Carlin’s Daughter Slams AI-Generated Comedy Special Imitating Her Late Father

http://tinyurl.com/5xsu7pbb

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It's a new day. Now there's a different set of seven words you can't say on television.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (FVME7)

267 Only -16 here today. Gonna get colder over the next three days. Probably Trump's fault.

Posted by: free tibet at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (iNp3L)

268 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (QakWV)

269 AOC has been laying low these past weeks. I wonder why?
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 12:02 PM (pZ64F)

Hay fever.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (9UlRk)

270 AOC has been laying low these past weeks. I wonder why?
Posted by: Pudinhead at January

Laying low or lying low?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (NvyWM)

271 AOC Brutally Heckled in Her Own District
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From the river to the sea
let AOC's big juicy booty be free!

Posted by: Spacing Guild at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (fs1hN)

272 Didn't see you upthread, Bulgar.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (R4t5M)

273 But what I really want to know is, if you fold a page from the script of Prometheus eight times, does it make the story good?

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Nick Saban for President! at January 12, 2024 12:03 PM (OUMaO)

274 254.

Know your role, prole.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 12:04 PM (aCVzN)

275 Getting a lot of emails from vendors in the lower 48 closing for winter storms today.
Stay safe morons.

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at January 12, 2024 12:04 PM (VMFAF)

276 Just tried it. Even six folds ends up with something that really cannot be described as a "fold".

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 12:04 PM (krQz2)

277 Glenn Beck has Carol Roth on his show every week. She was on just an hour ago.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 12, 2024 12:04 PM (63Dwl)

278 AOC has been laying low these past weeks.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Did she ever marry that guy? That could be the reason she's "lying low," IYKWIMAITYD.

Except when she's got a prayer breakfast to go to.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 12:04 PM (9yWhg)

279 276.

It's hard to even get to six with something like card stock.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 12:05 PM (aCVzN)

280 Nood. Racial grievances.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 12, 2024 12:05 PM (GYIa4)

281 It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2024

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I've got another half hour or so

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 12, 2024 12:05 PM (J2vNu)

282 29 What's so bad about carbon?
Posted by: It's everywhere at January 12, 2024 11:09 AM (NBVIP)

It's that we're made of it. It's the "we" they don't like, not carbon.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 12, 2024 12:05 PM (Rbu5d)

283 >>>They're literally, officially treating being black as a disability.

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Warai-otoko

>Black folks don't deserve special merit. They need to man up and get to work. And the womens need to get back in the kitchen and make sammiches for the men.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 12, 2024 12:05 PM (J3ryZ)

284 Laying low or lying low?
Posted by: Northernlurker

"Lying." Intransitive.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 12, 2024 12:06 PM (9yWhg)

285 241 Marxism's talking points about economics, class, dialectical materialism and such are for the proles.

Marxism is a brutal power grab, and the inner circle know it.

Marx himself was a satanist. Ex-political prisoner Richard Wurmbrand documents that in "Marx and Satan."

Posted by: callsign claymore at January 12, 2024 12:06 PM (JcnCJ)

286 Kanye West Sued for Allegedly Punching “Fan” Asking For an Autograph

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In fairness, he's out of his freaking mind and has been for a long, long time.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 12, 2024 12:06 PM (FVME7)

287 Liberal Teacher Tells Students It’s "Offensive" to Identify as Straight

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So just watch it! Keep that dirty secret of yours in the closet!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 12, 2024 12:08 PM (FVME7)

288 Watch how they work Eminent Domain into this scheme. And, whenever someone on Wall Street says it is not designed to make a profit.....THEY ARE LYING.

Keep a close eye on Davos...they are going to have panels which don't advertise this specific program, but they will outline compartmentalized steps to achieve it.

Posted by: Orson at January 12, 2024 12:09 PM (dIske)

289 288.

Carbon capture firms exercising eminent domain up here in South Dakota have a bunch of our landowners up in arms. And I'm hoping those firms fail miserably. They have the support of our state senate and governor though, so it might get pushed through. Our PUC and county governments have held firm so far.

Posted by: Gryph at January 12, 2024 12:10 PM (aCVzN)

290 99 Huh, just heard that Fox News has cancelled all Mike Lindell My Pillow commercials from it's channel. Mike Gallagher just announced it.
Posted by: Jaimo at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (DBrN4)

I think it's time for new sheets.
We got new pillows (from him) a couple months ago.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 12, 2024 12:15 PM (Rbu5d)

291 Be what you want to be! All the colors of the rainbow!

Except straight and white.

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 12:15 PM (krQz2)

292 The warehouse where the Arc of the Covenant is stored. I think its in Newark, NJ.
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 12, 2024 11:38 AM (pZ64F)

Nah. That was destroyed in the '67 riots. I remember them well.....**breaks into song**

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at January 12, 2024 12:15 PM (iODuv)

293 Huh, just heard that Fox News has cancelled all Mike Lindell My Pillow commercials from it's channel. Mike Gallagher just announced it.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 12, 2024 11:26 AM (DBrN4)

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They did that before, didn't they? Because of his "election denial".

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 12:16 PM (krQz2)

294 103 Didn't Glenn Beck die three times last year?
Posted by: Hard to keep up at January 12, 2024 11:27 AM (NBVI

From net zero, the ozone layer and [checks notes] ninjas.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 12, 2024 12:17 PM (Rbu5d)

295 "Saying you're straight implies other people are 'crooked'!" is probably the line of "argument" they are using.

Posted by: Axeman at January 12, 2024 12:17 PM (krQz2)

296
Give me a large enough piece of paper and a place to stand and I will fold the Earth.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 12, 2024 12:00 PM (eYoxG)

Archemides just burst into flames again.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 12, 2024 12:23 PM (FCbAQ)

297
Archemides just burst into flames again.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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It's time for common sense parabolic mirror control!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 12, 2024 12:32 PM (XeU6L)

298 Late but:

Buy land at a discounted price because it is publicly owned land and the government would simply never allow you to obtain permits to develop it, at say, $1,000 per acre

However, technically the parcel is zoned for potential development, even if low density.

Have it appraised as if hypothetically developable based on its actual zoning, say $5,000 per acre

Put a conservation easement on it prohibiting its development and have it appraised subject to the easement, say $1,000 per acre

Tax break, $4,000 per acre and the land is preserved

If you want to get really clever, do the above but also carvel out some frontage parcels or otherwise valuable development parcels and sell them off. As a fringe benefit these carved out sale parcels are more valuable since they are now surrounded by land which is forever undevelopable.

Sound crazy? What if you have a few crooked appraisers and well placed IRS and government apparatchiks who will wink and whisk all this through?

Posted by: RM at January 12, 2024 12:57 PM (urbih)

299 And if you buy agricultural land, and don't farm it, usually the tax breaks go away.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2024 11:12 AM

As blue state legislatures rush to rewrite the property tax laws to exempt land owned by NACs....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 12, 2024 11:17 AM (Wnv9h)
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Which means blue states will continue to lose revenue, and jobs, and people, ... and eventually votes.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 12, 2024 01:30 PM (GZYu7)

300 I've long advocated that aside from secured military bases, territorial coastal waters, and the federal reserve which is Washington D.C. all other federal lands should be turned back to the States. Let the States manage their lands instead of, as is in the Western States, being held hostage to the idiocy of politics emanating from D.C. Even the Indian Reservation system could use a wholesale re-think, if not an outright abandonment.

Screw Teddy Roosevelt with his "national parks" idea. That should never have been allowed.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 12, 2024 02:27 PM (TOe+Q)

301 Many Eco-Freaks reject the idea of Private Property and thinks it should all be under Government Control and some even claim the Earth Owns Us and were its Children

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 12, 2024 04:25 PM (wGqjj)

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