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MORNING RANT - The Rolling Implosion of Higher Education: Men Adapting Just Fine; Will Women Be Hit Hardest?

With universities having evolved into outrageously expensive left-wing indoctrination camps, and with the perceived value of a sheepskin plummeting, college enrollment is declining, driven by a significant decline in young men attending college.

The men will be fine, in fact most will thrive without acquiring tuition debt and exposure to the hateful racial obsession of college life. I’m actually more concerned about the career prospects for women in a post-university future.

First, here is what Pew Research is reporting:

“Fewer young men are in college, especially at 4-year schools” [12/18/2023]

College enrollment among young Americans has been declining gradually over the past decade. In 2022, the total number of 18- to 24-year-olds enrolled in college was down by approximately 1.2 million from its peak in 2011.

Most of the decline is due to fewer young men pursuing college. About 1 million fewer young men are in college but only 0.2 million fewer young women. As a result, men make up 44% of young college students today, down from 47% in 2011, according to newly released U.S. Census Bureau data.

Today, men represent only 42% of students ages 18 to 24 at four-year schools, down from 47% in 2011.

An interesting point is that the potential pool of 18 to 24 year-old college students has not declined, it’s simply that fewer young men are paying for the privilege of being hated on at an indoctrination camp.

The decline in young college enrollment since 2011 is not driven by a drop in the overall number of 18- to 24-year-old high school graduates. That number has modestly increased since 2011. Instead, the falling share of young high school graduates who are enrolling in college is causing the decline. And the drop has been greater among young men than women.

Today, only 39% of young men who have completed high school are enrolled in college, down from 47% in 2011. The rate at which young female high school graduates enroll has also fallen, but not by nearly as much (from 52% to 48%).

The oft-cited statistics regarding the impact of college degrees on income are an example of conflating correlation with causation. Individuals with initiative, problem solving skills, and leadership ability have historically been pushed into the college track. It’s those characteristics that advanced their careers, not the Business Management class they attended as a hungover 20-year-old college student.

In my family there are several men with those characteristics who never attended college, and who have had incredibly successful careers. One is a man who became a real estate developer. His first job out of high school was food prep in a restaurant’s kitchen, but everywhere he worked he exhibited leadership and a great work ethic, propelling him upward. Another family member started working as a small engine mechanic out of high school. He is now the successful owner of a company doing defense contracting. A college degree was not necessary for these hard-working, motivated men, and it might have held them back if it had steered them into a corporate cubicle.

There is a man I met who owns an appliance repair business, who had a brilliantly simple and well executed plan to become a successful business owner, without incurring debt, all while receiving a paycheck. Through personal experience with a broken appliance, he learned that there was a lengthy wait to get a service call due to a shortage of appliance repairmen in our city. So, he took a position as an apprentice with a local appliance repair business, then soon became a capable tech who was fully in charge of repair visits for his employer. After less time than it takes to get a college degree, and with experience on a wide variety of appliances, he then hung out his own shingle and signed on with a prominent home warranty company as an authorized provider. The home warranty business sent him all the business he could handle, and soon he was hiring techs and training apprentices.

The success of these men is all well and good, but what about women who want careers that don’t require college degrees? While trades are lucrative for men, women are generally not drawn to them, and there don’t seem to be as many high-paying opportunities for women without degrees as there are for men.

As I wrote about a few months ago, fields that women are drawn to such as social work and speech pathology not only require a degree, but they effectively require a Masters Degree.

This is all a racket and a scam that mainly preys on young women and enriches the universities. In fact, every single person I’ve know that has followed these 6 or 7 year degree plans is female. I am not disputing that these are legitimate academic fields and respectable careers (although the radical left’s takeover of their accrediting agencies has certainly tarnished their image in my eyes) but there is no reason that it takes 6 or more years of schooling to become a social worker. If architects and RNs can practice with a bachelor’s degree or less, so can a speech pathologist.

It would be good for some conservative political leaders at the state level to try to bust the alliance between the university cartel and the licensing organizations for these fields. It would also be doing society a favor if women pursuing a career in fields like these didn’t have to be subjected to woke indoctrination to get their licenses.

The rejection of the “the college path” by so many young men is good news for the country. They don’t need a degree, and they will thrive and prosper while starving the beast of tuition money. I also hope that as universities continue to lose power and respectability that more career paths open up for women without degrees.

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Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM




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1 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at January 19, 2024 11:00 AM (1Yy3c)

2 Top ten?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:01 AM (9yWhg)

3 The men will be fine, in fact most will thrive without acquiring tuition debt and exposure to the hateful racial obsession of college life. I’m actually more concerned about the career prospects for women in a post-university future.


Learn to weld.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2024 11:01 AM (oWBqB)

4 Huh. I'm in early.

Posted by: ....and here we go at January 19, 2024 11:02 AM (SNVFk)

5 "Racket and scam.". Yep.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 19, 2024 11:03 AM (as3uC)

6 Let's hope YouTube star isn't what everyone is banking on.

We know AI is taking over the influencer game.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 19, 2024 11:03 AM (rJ7Hd)

7 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 19, 2024 11:04 AM (T4tVD)

8 Also....

New witnesses have come forward telling DailyMail.com that Haley's denials of two alleged 2008 affairs are false, and that the supposed trysts were brazen and widely known among South Carolina politicos.

Will Folks, 49, and Larry Marchant, 61, both signed affidavits in 2010 alleging they had a sexual relationship with the then-South Carolina lawmaker, before she went on to become governor.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 19, 2024 11:04 AM (rJ7Hd)

9 So, these degrees will be useless for women and they will become housewives?

*ducks and runs out of the room*

And top twenty sponge.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 19, 2024 11:04 AM (ufFY8)

10 I’m actually more concerned about the career prospects for women in a post-university future.


Where will they go for their MRS degrees?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:04 AM (9yWhg)

11 Higher education IS a racket.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 19, 2024 11:05 AM (Q4IgG)

12 If you don't go to college, you'll live in a TV box under a bridge.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 19, 2024 11:05 AM (WVAwc)

13 Because it's all "Daddy's money".

Fathers wore willing to fund their useless daughters.

"Maybe she'll find a husband".

Son's get: "I had three jobs to get me through school. Ate raw Ramen..."

Sons: "Fuck that!"

Posted by: pawn at January 19, 2024 11:06 AM (QB+5g)

14 Only 44% of college attendees are men. MRS degree seekers hardest hit.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 19, 2024 11:06 AM (fs1hN)

15 Bring back de textile plants for de wimmens.

Posted by: BignJames at January 19, 2024 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

16 Today, only 39% of young men who have completed high school are enrolled in college, down from 47% in 2011. The rate at which young female high school graduates enroll has also fallen, but not by nearly as much (from 52% to 48%).
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That's a staggering decline in so short a time.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:06 AM (z8vUP)

17 OK, but of the men that do attend college, how many of them are now non-white?

Was reading a WSJ article this morning about the three Palestinian college student shot in Vermont. The three grew up on the West Bank, attended the Ramallah Friends school together, and are currently attending Brown, Trinity, and Haverford. Wonder how much of the costs are covered by scholarships?

But remember, our kids have "white privilege" while these three guys are allegedly oppressed. The one who spoke with the media has an American mom who married a Palestinian and decided to raise her kid in Ramallah. All of this educational privilege doesn't square with the sob stories we've been hearing, especially since 1/7.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2024 11:07 AM (NKqpy)

18 Lots of unmotivated young men and women out there. They don't won't to work hard to be successful. With a degree or without. Not even joining the military which unfairly was considered a last resort years ago.

Posted by: nckate at January 19, 2024 11:07 AM (EPm6B)

19
Let's hope YouTube star isn't what everyone is banking on.

___________

I'm told you can be a millionaire with a side hustle in digital marketing. Or something like that.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:07 AM (MoZTd)

20 The hawt women will be just fine, either as "influencers," models, or trophy wives.

And the Grace Hooper-types who truly have a technical/scientific bent.

The Trigglypuffs, however...


Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:07 AM (9yWhg)

21 College isn't going to get cheaper.

Everything gets more expensive. It never goes in the other direction.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 19, 2024 11:08 AM (rJ7Hd)

22 A degree in engineering, law, and hard science have some practical value.

The others, not so much.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 19, 2024 11:08 AM (ufFY8)

23 I meant Grace "Hopper," not "Hooper."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:08 AM (9yWhg)

24 16 Today, only 39% of young men who have completed high school are enrolled in college, down from 47% in 2011. The rate at which young female high school graduates enroll has also fallen, but not by nearly as much (from 52% to 48%).
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That's a staggering decline in so short a time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:06 AM (z8vUP)

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How will they get propogandized now?! There should be a law!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:08 AM (GBKbO)

25 I’m actually more concerned about the career prospects for women in a post-university future.


Where will they go for their MRS degrees?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus


Nursing school.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2024 11:08 AM (oWBqB)

26 what pole dancing isn't respectable anymore?

Posted by: ....and here we go at January 19, 2024 11:08 AM (SNVFk)

27 Almost as if men realized that going into debt for a place that hates you is not a good idea any more.

I really hope that a lot of colleges die off from all of this and something better rises up from the ashes.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 19, 2024 11:09 AM (lXCUP)

28 27 Almost as if men realized that going into debt for a place that hates you is not a good idea any more.

I really hope that a lot of colleges die off from all of this and something better rises up from the ashes.
Posted by: NR Pax at January 19, 2024 11:09 AM (lXCUP)

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They'll make it up by enrolling Chinese spies at full tuition rates.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (GBKbO)

29 The success of these men is all well and good, but what about women who want careers that don’t require college degrees? While trades are lucrative for men, women are generally not drawn to them, and there don’t seem to be as many high-paying opportunities for women without degrees as there are for men.
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Most of the same opportunities are there. As you say, women generally don't like them. Most women *could* be appliance repair techs or the like, but most also don't want to be. That's also okay - men and women are different, despite what the teachers say.

The limits aren't synthetic.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (z8vUP)

30 So the problem you run into here is that you have a cohort of feminist young women with a ton of debt that believe a man without a college degree is below them

And a cohort of young men with little debt but no interest in wifing up and financing these young feminist's debt.

So the women claim "there are no good men" and the men claim "there are no good women" and from both of their perspectives they are right...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (ibTVg)

31 In fact, every single person I’ve know that has followed these 6 or 7 year degree plans is female.

After they finish their residencies, they'll become board-certified Doctors of Human Resources.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (JzFC4)

32 I'd also say that companies aren't desperate to pay Americans more than they would pay someone in India or China.

So the blue collar jobs are still a struggle, which traditionally served as a haven for the folks who aren't college bound.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (rJ7Hd)

33 29 Most of the same opportunities are there. As you say, women generally don't like them. Most women *could* be appliance repair techs or the like, but most also don't want to be. That's also okay - men and women are different, despite what the teachers say.

The limits aren't synthetic.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (z8vUP)

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The only reason women don't pursue appliance tech career paths is because of the implicit sexism of the appliance tech patriarchy that denies them opportunities.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:11 AM (GBKbO)

34 A great many colleges should be burned to the ground with the faculty chained to the floor.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 19, 2024 11:11 AM (WVAwc)

35 This is partly why the vast majority of single women blindly vote Democrap. It's not just that they've been subject to so many years of brainwashing. But when they graduate with one of these wipe-your-ass-with-it degrees, they soon find out there's little demand for it. So they get on their knees for Uncle Sugar Sam.

Oh and have you seen some of these "pathology" degrees? They're pure made-up bullshit and utterly worthless as any kind of paying career. They're solely designed to fleece dippy naive teenage girls into spending (or their parents spending) tons of money on worthless garbage.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:11 AM (iFTx/)

36 I ought self-endow a "Chair" at some University, and offer a degree in "Studies" studies.

"I hereby confer on you, missy, this heah Bachelorette Degree in Studies Studies, cum Loudly!"

But to flip the coin, there's be actual, rigorous classwork to be done, as the major would be dedicated to furnishing 'em with the knowledge, logic, skills and tools to DE-BUNK every common liberal trope, and then some.

Turn out a few years worth of Gradu-'ettes, who can kick leftard ass from one side of the campus, to the other.

Of COURSE, they'd have to get a minor in Effective Marksmanship and SafelyHandling All Common Firearms.

But, the sheepskin *would* be emblazoned "Studies Studies". Just to fuck with the Academic Elites.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Daffy at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (e6UQI)

37 told you can be a millionaire with a side hustle in digital marketing. Or something like that.

"side hustle"

Is that term relatively popular now?
I have been hearing it more and more, and I hate it. The word 'hustle' as it is used connotes shady, sketchy, activity to me rather than industriousness or energy a la "Charlie Hustle" Pete Rose. (Although given his gambling, is sort of ironic.)

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (ufFY8)

38 ... and it might have held them back if it had steered them into a corporate cubicle.

------------

* A young ShainS has entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (2SW0p)

39 It’s a shame IMHO. I went to a state university back in the day and I look back on those years as some of the best of my life. That college was liberal but nothing like what goes on today on campus. It was an awesome place. Oh…. for my career as an engineer there is no substitute for a university degree…. My first few years in industry all I did was a lot of computing (simulation) that was really no different than a complicated homework problem from my time at college. I could not have performed my job without that degree

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (1jdMT)

40 35 This is partly why the vast majority of single women blindly vote Democrap. It's not just that they've been subject to so many years of brainwashing. But when they graduate with one of these wipe-your-ass-with-it degrees, they soon find out there's little demand for it. So they get on their knees for Uncle Sugar Sam.

Oh and have you seen some of these "pathology" degrees? They're pure made-up bullshit and utterly worthless as any kind of paying career. They're solely designed to fleece dippy naive teenage girls into spending (or their parents spending) tons of money on worthless garbage.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:11 AM (iFTx/)

=========

As I put it a few weeks ago:

Colleges are finishing schools for girls before they go off and marry the government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (GBKbO)

41 I know this is off-topic, but something that never gets mentioned re: more women in college is medical school.
I know more than a few women (daughters of friends, etc.) who attended medical only to quit when they were near completion of residency (one actually quit on the last day "I don't think I want to be a doctor") or only a few years into practicing medicine to raise their family.

There is nothing wrong with the choice to raise a family (it's admirable, even, given today's feminism demonizes it); however, there is a finite number of medical school spots, and taking one of those spots and then almost immediately abandoning is selfish and damaging to healthcare (creates need for foreign doctors). But grrrrrll power, amirite!?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (NKqpy)

42 It's a shame our universities are trash. They were instrumental in the rise of American power, and it sucks that they gotta be razed to their perfidious cobbles and converted into training grounds for Cossack knouters and their trusty rape dogs, but it is what it is.

*shrugs*

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (0FoWg)

43 The weekend is coming, if I can get home

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (JFSTn)

44 Put another way, credentialism is dying, because it's turning out that so many of our credentialed "elites" are complete idiots and/or selfish, amoral jackasses gaming the system. In that regard, the Claudine Gay incident continues to pay huge dividends.

http://tinyurl.com/2hfkudfy

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:13 AM (CsUN+)

45 That's a staggering decline in so short a time.

It also, amusingly, means that a lot of private colleges are practicing affirmative action towards males.

College admissions departments believe that as you start getting close to 60% female, a lot of women start not wanting to attend, so they go to great lengths to keep the sex ratio more even.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 19, 2024 11:13 AM (YAtuc)

46 Nursing school.

Once you start noticing "nurse with multiple kids by different fathers, some of whom are Tyrone or Paolo", you can't unsee it. For some reason nursing has become the go-to career for women who find TikTok and OnlyFans not attention-whorey enough. And that's why the dancing nurses were a thing in 2020.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:13 AM (2ocoG)

47 College educated women will very definitely hook onto a man with no degree. As long as he isn't white.

Posted by: nckate at January 19, 2024 11:13 AM (EPm6B)

48 Most women *could* be appliance repair techs or the like, but most also don't want to be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)


When I was a kid, our TV repair "man" was a woman. She was the wife of the guy who owned the appliance store where we had bought the TV. Large-spreading woman with a huge toolbox. She'd sit down on the floor in front of the tube and go to work. Seemed to know what she was doing, too.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:13 AM (9yWhg)

49 Worked with a brilliant engineer; could do mech, electrical, FW...
No college degree.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:13 AM (ynpvh)

50 told you can be a millionaire with a side hustle in digital marketing. Or something like that.

"side hustle"

Is that term relatively popular now?
I have been hearing it more and more, and I hate it. The word 'hustle' as it is used connotes shady, sketchy, activity to me rather than industriousness or energy a la "Charlie Hustle" Pete Rose. (Although given his gambling, is sort of ironic.)

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (ufFY

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Agreed. I prefer "side gig."

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 11:13 AM (2SW0p)

51 Looking back, education would have been a good racket for me. One could go to class hungover and still be a top student in your class, lots of chicks to poke, and once you graduate, you would be rapidly steered to administration. You would be a principal in five years, a superintendent in ten.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 19, 2024 11:13 AM (aD39U)

52 And...the answer to all of this is in one sense simple - just get Uncle Sugar out of colleges and setting HR compliance requirements.

Without Uncle Sugar's dollars colleges will go back to offering degrees worth money, and without HR compliance crap companies will ditch DIE type employees.

But there are so many people who are financially dependent on this pipeline that few if any politicians are willing to talk about it let alone do anything...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:14 AM (ibTVg)

53 I really hope that a lot of colleges die off from all of this and something better rises up from the ashes.
____

Come see our catalog of online degrees!

Posted by: University of Phoenix at January 19, 2024 11:14 AM (fs1hN)

54 but what about women who want careers that don’t require college degrees?

Ahem, we OWN the world's oldest profession...

Posted by: K. Harris at January 19, 2024 11:14 AM (kNrsK)

55 40 35 This is partly why the vast majority of single women blindly vote Democrap. It's not just that they've been subject to so many years of brainwashing. But when they graduate with one of these wipe-your-ass-with-it degrees, they soon find out there's little demand for it. So they get on their knees for Uncle Sugar Sam.

Oh and have you seen some of these "pathology" degrees? They're pure made-up bullshit and utterly worthless as any kind of paying career. They're solely designed to fleece dippy naive teenage girls into spending (or their parents spending) tons of money on worthless garbage.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:11 AM (iFTx/)

=========

As I put it a few weeks ago:

Colleges are finishing schools for girls before they go off and marry the government.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (GBKbO)
______________

Or try their hand at the yacht-girl life . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:14 AM (iFTx/)

56 I do not have a college degree, I'm not an idiot I did graduate 18th in my class and wanted to be a music teacher, but my Mother thought I'd be better securing reliable employment learning to be a secretary. That parlayed to HR/accounting, etc. in the manufacturing and construction trades. I make more than alot of college degreed people. Now I do a little of everything including project engineer, bid coordinator, submittal and closeout admin along with the HR and accounting. I have always worked for smaller contractors or manufacturers for 40 plus years. Not sure if these jobs are as needed for girls as they were back in the day, but I do know that men do not know how to construct business correspondence and do general paperwork.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 19, 2024 11:15 AM (DBrN4)

57 54 but what about women who want careers that don’t require college degrees?

Ahem, we OWN the world's oldest profession...

Posted by: K. Harris at January 19, 2024 11:14 AM (kNrsK)

She gets down on her knees often, but not to pray...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:15 AM (ynpvh)

58 Dunno about adaptability of the sexes. My grandmothers both rolled with some damn hard punches. My wife, who I thought was fairly competent, gets flustered by some simple failures and gives up. I suspect how you're raised matters more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 19, 2024 11:15 AM (xcxpd)

59 Great subject Buck.
Saw all of this in the classes I taught at the University where I don't teach anymore. Further, within the Business School, now the majority of professors are women, and/or Chinese. As you might expect fully a third of the majors among my students were in the HR track.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 19, 2024 11:15 AM (W/lyH)

60 well ... heh

I have two boys and a girl in college all STEM (real STEM) majors

eldest has been doing paid internships and externships since sophomore year - she can actually code

she says now that college was semi-useless and I definitely can see that with CS. you move so quickly in that field and the profs tend to be slower; the students teach each other/themselves. but you need the connections from college, supposedly.

the easiest path for an alternative is associates/expedited CS degrees for those smart enough to want them. or you could combine CS/MS if you needed more than a year or two in college for whatever reason

she makes enough currently to cover her college costs and is hoping she'll roll into a job that will pay for a masters

none of her friends - all of whom are going for a masters! - will be doing that. just off for that social work degree

Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 19, 2024 11:15 AM (AcWfM)

61 If the job can be done on a PC sitting in front of the worker, it really doesn't matter where in the world that PC is located and to a getting lesser degree all the time, who is sitting there.

Posted by: pawn at January 19, 2024 11:15 AM (QB+5g)

62 You're all raycisss. Afrochemistry is so a thing.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:16 AM (CsUN+)

63 The rejection of the “the college path” by so many young men is good news for the country. They don’t need a degree, and they will thrive and prosper while starving the beast of tuition money. I also hope that as universities continue to lose power and respectability that more career paths open up for women without degrees.
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Reality will impose itself and force a new approach. Women will reject college, too, and probably fairly soon. There's a phenomenon that tends to happen as the sex ratio in enrollment shifts like it is doing right now: female enrollment drops shortly after. Except for girls' schools, women generally don't want to go to colleges without men. For all the progressiveness, women still want to meet men and college isn't a bad place to do that. Or, rather, it wasn't.

The number of women explicitly pursuing an "MRS" degree has declined, but that doesn't mean they don't still want to look for men. Without them, college has decreasing value in terms of secondary benefits.

If the phenomenon of declining female enrollment following declining male enrollment holds, the colleges are in for a world of hurt.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:16 AM (z8vUP)

64 Dunno about adaptability of the sexes. My grandmothers both rolled with some damn hard punches. My wife, who I thought was fairly competent, gets flustered by some simple failures and gives up. I suspect how you're raised matters more.

In your wife's case are people bailing her out when she gives up?

It is a natural reaction to let someone just fix things for you if you know they will...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:16 AM (ibTVg)

65 Colleges are finishing schools for girls before they go off and marry the government.


yes, or stay in academia - that's why so many admins now

Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 19, 2024 11:16 AM (AcWfM)

66
A great many colleges should be burned to the ground with the faculty chained to the floor.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner


This will end when the last Grievance Studies professor is strangled with the guts of the last Vice Chancellor for Climate and Diversity.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:17 AM (MoZTd)

67 62 You're all raycisss. Afrochemistry is so a thing.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:16 AM (CsUN+)

Can you rephrase that using ebonics?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 19, 2024 11:17 AM (xcxpd)

68 34 A great many colleges should be burned to the ground with the faculty chained to the floor.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 19, 2024 11:11 AM (WVAwc)


Can we get some cameras in the room to record their last minutes? Seriously; I'll throw money at the GoFundMe.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 19, 2024 11:17 AM (lXCUP)

69 There is a new type of University opening up in response these perverse incentives, dedicated to a classical liberal arts education (University of Austin) and a Catholic themed engineering education (Catholic Institute of Technology).

U Austin is enrolling their first class in the fall, and will be staffed by heterodox intellectuals and expelled apostates from some of the (formerly) great US universities - Barry Weiss, Michael Shellenberger, Niall Ferguson, Ayan Hirsi Ali; advised by Tyler Cowen, Robert George, David Mamet, Glenn Loury.

Posted by: Candidus at January 19, 2024 11:17 AM (xHAJg)

70 In your wife's case are people bailing her out when she gives up?

It is a natural reaction to let someone just fix things for you if you know they will...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:16 AM (ibTVg)

Well she has me so....yeah, probably.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 19, 2024 11:17 AM (xcxpd)

71 I think women are coddled in college. They're told how stronk they are. Brow beaten into believing a lot of the leftist bullshit. Yet, when faces with real world employment opportunities everything they've been led to believe isn't necessarily true.

It may very well be in some job markets, but not everywhere.

Must be heartbreaking to realize you've spent a decade of your worthless life becoming less marketable than the severely retarded and physically handicapped idiot getting a plush gig at the FAA.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (Q4IgG)

72 And another part in all this...end H1Bs and you will FORCE American companies to go back to a serious internship/apprenticeship program.

But...why hire an inexperienced American when you get get an Indian with a nominal 5-10 years of experience for a third of the American's salary?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (ibTVg)

73 The limits aren't synthetic.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (z8vUP)

Correct. Which is why I'm not sure most women *could* be appliance techs and such just like most can't actually pass the requirements for police and fire even when they want to. Along with the differences in how the brain works between sexes, upper body strength is still necessary for a lot of the work in trades.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (nC+QA)

74 As I wrote about a few months ago, fields that women are drawn to such as social work and speech pathology not only require a degree, but they effectively require a Masters Degree.
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Part of it is that it's a racket. Degree inflation and credentialism enabled by strong sales of these programs demand more of the same.

The other part is institutional lust to turn out automata to go push the boundaries further along in the real world.

As TJM (I think, I could be misremembering) put it, "colleges are finishing schools that prepare girls to marry the government."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (z8vUP)

75 Also worth a mention is the nature of schools K-12 is not conducive to male learning. They are designed around females.

Posted by: Inogame at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (53oGX)

76 UNH is cutting bigly rn

it's actually a good, reasonably priced, not very overly fancy place

with solid profs

I think they're just being smart but they are indicative of what's coming for even flagships

Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (AcWfM)

77 67 62 You're all raycisss. Afrochemistry is so a thing.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:16 AM (CsUN+)

Can you rephrase that using ebonics?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 19, 2024 11:17 AM (xcxpd)

There were only 49 Contestants at the Miss USA Ebonics competition...Nobody wanted to wear a sash that said "Idaho"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (ynpvh)

78 We're losing an enormous amount of especially men to the high school to prison pipe line.

Posted by: torabora at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (OUiUM)

79 Degree inflation is real.
I wanted to get a masters in nursing and be a nurse practitioner. I graduated with a BS in Nursing and was ready to go for the NP masters when the Universities all decided to *require* at least a Doctorate without any government (State or Fed) demand. The existing Master NP instructors decide since other healthcare specialties had all transitioned to Dhd and Phd nursing should as well.
I attended a intro at 2 universities and both said they expected me to work as a Masters NP and would sign a paper pledging I would go on for the Dhd.
I did no go on for the Doctorate and didn't become a NP.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (367Nm)

80 I know more than a few women (daughters of friends, etc.) who attended medical only to quit when they were near completion of residency (one actually quit on the last day "I don't think I want to be a doctor") or only a few years into practicing medicine to raise their family.

Harvard Medical School explicitly discriminated against women in the 1940's, because their alumni records showed that almost all their male graduates were working as physicians until retirement age, but a substantial faction of their female graduates either weren't practicing medicine at all, or were doing it part-time.

Since Harvard only had a limited number of positions in med school, they opted to favor the demographic group most likely to use their skills.

My ophthalmologist retired in her 30's, after she had her second kid.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (YAtuc)

81 I really hope that a lot of colleges die off from all of this and something better rises up from the ashes.

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Nah. They set out to wreck the country. Mission accomplished. The country they left behind is incapable of repairing the damage they helped inflict so industriously.

But I'm okay with that. Take what you can get. I'm happy with just the ashes. Well, that and co-eds and professors with haunted visages, furtively darting between the heaps of ashes, in their forlorn, doomed effort to evade the knouters and the rape dogs.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (0FoWg)

82
Dunno about adaptability of the sexes. My grandmothers both rolled with some damn hard punches.

Her Majesty got abandoned by her adulterous, alcoholic ex and had to work hard to rebuild her life while trying to raise a daughter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (MoZTd)

83 Well she has me so....yeah, probably.

At various points in my life I've had female partners running through the same pattern and letting them almost fail and then finally achieve it on their own fixes the issue.

They aren't going to like you for a while though...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (ibTVg)

84 We're losing an enormous amount of especially men to the high school to prison pipe line.
Posted by: torabora

Do you have any stats on your 'pipe line' that do not include inner city youths?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (367Nm)

85 Another example of the rot:
Scholars call for ‘social justice’ in civil engineering courses

Given the choice, how many of these "scholars" would choose the bridge built by DEI majors over that built by CEs?

http://tinyurl.com/2pxfhep7

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (CsUN+)

86
This is all a racket and a scam that mainly preys on young women and enriches the universities. In fact, every single person I’ve know that has followed these 6 or 7 year degree plans is female.


"WUT?"

-- 'Jill',
esteemed holder of a doctorate in colours, shapes and numbers

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:20 AM (xG4kz)

87 Safe travels Skip !

Posted by: JT at January 19, 2024 11:20 AM (T4tVD)

88 But I'm okay with that. Take what you can get. I'm happy with just the ashes. Well, that and co-eds and professors with haunted visages, furtively darting between the heaps of ashes, in their forlorn, doomed effort to evade the knouters and the rape dogs.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (0FoWg)
++++
There's a screenplay hiding in there.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:20 AM (z8vUP)

89 In college, you learn the theory...
In the workplace, you learn reality.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:20 AM (ynpvh)

90 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:20 AM (xG4kz)

That's DOCTOR Jill!

Posted by: DOCTOR Jill at January 19, 2024 11:21 AM (53oGX)

91 24 16 Today, only 39% of young men who have completed high school are enrolled in college, down from 47% in 2011. The rate at which young female high school graduates enroll has also fallen, but not by nearly as much (from 52% to 48%).
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That's a staggering decline in so short a time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:06 AM (z8vUP)
___________

I'd like to see year-by-year. I'll bet most of the collapse happened during the Covid insanity.

Also: this tracks high school graduates. Have there been more HS graduates during this period such that even if the same number went on to college there would be a percentage decline?

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:21 AM (iFTx/)

92 88 But I'm okay with that. Take what you can get. I'm happy with just the ashes. Well, that and co-eds and professors with haunted visages, furtively darting between the heaps of ashes, in their forlorn, doomed effort to evade the knouters and the rape dogs.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (0FoWg)
++++
There's a screenplay hiding in there.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:20 AM (z8vUP)

I'd pay to watch that

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 19, 2024 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

93 Yup.


1960-2010 No College is not an option
>2010 No College is a great option

Unless you are studying Physics, avoid.

Posted by: scottst at January 19, 2024 11:22 AM (qcvs8)

94 There's a screenplay hiding in there.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:20 AM (z8vUP)

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A Cossack and His Dog

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2024 11:22 AM (0FoWg)

95 Also: this tracks high school graduates. Have there been more HS graduates during this period such that even if the same number went on to college there would be a percentage decline?
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:21 AM (iFTx/)
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The quote indicates that it does. It's a percentage HS graduate males who go on to college, not an absolute number of males going to college or college admission mix.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:22 AM (z8vUP)

96 she says now that college was semi-useless and I definitely can see that with CS. you move so quickly in that field and the profs tend to be slower; the students teach each other/themselves. but you need the connections from college, supposedly.

That's 100% true. Programming moves so fast that either you know how to code (in which case specific languages/platforms/operating systems are something you can/must learn on the fly) or you don't. I'm a self-taught programmer with no degree and I've done fine for decades now. But I got my foot in the door due to connections I had and it would've been much more difficult otherwise.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:22 AM (2ocoG)

97 82
Dunno about adaptability of the sexes. My grandmothers both rolled with some damn hard punches.

Her Majesty got abandoned by her adulterous, alcoholic ex and had to work hard to rebuild her life while trying to raise a daughter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (MoZTd)

Maternal Grandmother was abandoned by her husband (he ran off with another woman). Had 4 living children at the time. Did marry eventually, but taking care of 4 kids alone in Mexico in the late 40's early 50's? Not fun.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:22 AM (ynpvh)

98 74 As TJM (I think, I could be misremembering) put it, "colleges are finishing schools that prepare girls to marry the government."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:18 AM (z8vUP)

=======

You best remember it was me!

It's the only good thing I've ever written.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:23 AM (GBKbO)

99 Oh and have you seen some of these "pathology" degrees? They're pure made-up bullshit and utterly worthless as any kind of paying career. They're solely designed to fleece dippy naive teenage girls into spending (or their parents spending) tons of money on worthless garbage.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:11 AM (iFTx/)

---------------

When you meet young female college graduates, ask them "What grievance is your degree in?"

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 11:23 AM (WSnku)

100 <1960 College is not an option

Posted by: scottst at January 19, 2024 11:23 AM (qcvs8)

101 Take what you can get. I'm happy with just the ashes. Well, that and co-eds and


I first read that as "just the asses".

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at January 19, 2024 11:23 AM (ufFY8)

102 Low and mid-level managers in government is where they settle. It's been for decades and will continue to be so.


Posted by: L - Confident they're working on new 'rope-a-dope' techniques for the Presidential election at January 19, 2024 11:24 AM (GshMh)

103 85 Another example of the rot:
Scholars call for ‘social justice’ in civil engineering courses

Given the choice, how many of these "scholars" would choose the bridge built by DEI majors over that built by CEs?

http://tinyurl.com/2pxfhep7

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:19 AM (CsUN+)


Well, Whitey has to pay for his sins, so their bridges should be build like shit.--DEI (DIE) CE major

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:24 AM (ynpvh)

104 Of course, this means that student loans are now a feminist issue, since most of the people who took out six-figure loans for worthless degrees are women.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 19, 2024 11:24 AM (YAtuc)

105
It's a sad fact of life - and it's impossible to gainsay it - most women aren't cut out for the seriously hard grind, the amount of effort and the sacrifices they need to make in order to reach the top. They may say they want to be Jessica Pearsons, but deep down they want to be Suzy Homemaker.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:24 AM (MoZTd)

106 Another example of the rot:
Scholars call for ‘social justice’ in civil engineering courses
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Hey, we got this covered.

Posted by: Florida International University at January 19, 2024 11:24 AM (XeU6L)

107
Another example of the rot:
Scholars call for ‘social justice’ in civil engineering courses


Let's ask the 'pancaked people' victims of the Florida International University pedestrian bridge how enthused they'd be at the prospects of this coming true, shall we?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:24 AM (xG4kz)

108 That's 100% true. Programming moves so fast that either you know how to code (in which case specific languages/platforms/operating systems are something you can/must learn on the fly) or you don't. I'm a self-taught programmer with no degree and I've done fine for decades now. But I got my foot in the door due to connections I had and it would've been much more difficult otherwise.


thanks for confirming! meanwhile she got in for CS whereas the boys could not and had to switch in later. this has been a very frustrating situation (assuming quotas like DEI for CS) for young men who are way past where she was in HS. I know a few who just didn't go to college because of this, the rest are trying to transfer midway or switch into CS but it's very hard. I guess you wait for the girls to give up on it lol.

Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 19, 2024 11:25 AM (AcWfM)

109 Very few people who I was friends with in college are doing what they were educated for. But they did benefit from the network of being in our circle of friends.

We would have still benefited if we’d met without going to college, but of course we wouldn’t have; we would have each had a completely different circle of friends. All of our lives would have been unimaginably different, so I can’t even begin to speculate on it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2024 11:25 AM (EXyHK)

110 "there is no reason that it takes 6 or more years of schooling to become a social worker."

yeah, I knew of few women that took that route, and are probably still making good money at some state/city job. Or maybe they retired after 20 years and are making a big pension.

And at least with teachers, every extra class they take in "continuing ed" gets rewarded with higher pay (even if it is some trash social engineering crap). And everyone (at least the leftists) loves those guaranteed good income, big bennies, early retirement state jobs.

Those extra ten million illegals are gonna need a lot more social workers to take care of them.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 19, 2024 11:25 AM (Cus5s)

111 103
Well, Whitey has to pay for his sins, so their bridges should be build like shit.--DEI (DIE) CE major
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:24 AM (ynpvh)

And you get a bridge collapse, and you get a bridge collapse, and also you!!
Florida International University style bridge collapses for all!

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 19, 2024 11:26 AM (N39Ws)

112 86
This is all a racket and a scam that mainly preys on young women and enriches the universities. In fact, every single person I’ve know that has followed these 6 or 7 year degree plans is female.

"WUT?"

-- 'Jill',
esteemed holder of a doctorate in colours, shapes and numbers

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:20 AM (xG4kz)

Heh. Saw a commercial for some show for Sigmund Freud where the police come to Sigmund Freud with a hurt woman who is dying.
Sigmund: "What do you want me to do?"
Police: "You're a doctor; help her!"
Sigmund: "I'm not THAT kind of doctor!"
::: woman dies :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

113 It's a sad fact of life - and it's impossible to gainsay it - most women aren't cut out for the seriously hard grind, the amount of effort and the sacrifices they need to make in order to reach the top. They may say they want to be Jessica Pearsons, but deep down they want to be Suzy Homemaker.

One part of this is that while the media and the educational establishment like to profile the lives of famous corporate execs...no one talks about the 80 hour work weeks to get there.

Most people, men OR women do not want that sort of life. But out of the people that do almost all of them are men...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ibTVg)

114 101 Take what you can get. I'm happy with just the ashes. Well, that and co-eds and


I first read that as "just the asses".
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at January 19, 2024 11:23 AM (ufFY

I would also pay to see that....and have

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 19, 2024 11:26 AM (xcxpd)

115
In short, most women want to end up on third base without having to hit a triple.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (MoZTd)

116 112 Heh. Saw a commercial for some show for Sigmund Freud where the police come to Sigmund Freud with a hurt woman who is dying.
Sigmund: "What do you want me to do?"
Police: "You're a doctor; help her!"
Sigmund: "I'm not THAT kind of doctor!"
::: woman dies :::
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

========

*gropes body a little bit...for science*
-Freud

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)

117 93 Yup.


1960-2010 No College is not an option
>2010 No College is a great option

Unless you are studying Physics, avoid.

Posted by: scottst at January 19, 2024 11:22 AM (qcvs

You really can't get a job in Physics unless you have a PHd...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (ynpvh)

118 Ahem.

Posted by: OnlyFans at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (NBVIP)

119 My 15-year-old nephew has already told his parents he's not going to college.

He's also learning to weld.

My sister and her husband are beyond thrilled.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (KbCG3)

120 Imagine what civilization (if there is one) is going to look like in about 50 years... here in the US.

- Nothing is going to be built that works
- What is working can't be maintained
- The insane running amok
- Quality of life probably lower than most 3rd world shitholes

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (Q4IgG)

121 One part of this is that while the media and the educational establishment like to profile the lives of famous corporate execs...no one talks about the 80 hour work weeks to get there.

Most people, men OR women do not want that sort of life. But out of the people that do almost all of them are men...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ibTVg)
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80 hours average, maybe. Lots of much heavier weeks than that.
Not too mention the travel. If you want that kind of position and money, you'd better be ready to be on the road a lot.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (z8vUP)

122 I'm a self-taught programmer with no degree and I've done fine for decades now. But I got my foot in the door due to connections I had and it would've been much more difficult otherwise.

Right. My degree is completely unrelated to programming. But my first job was programming—sort of—because of my circle of friends. I suspect that I would not have been able to get the job without having a degree in something (the job was at a private university). But it was what I’d taught myself that kept me in the field until I retired and allowed me to create my own opportunities as the field changed.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (EXyHK)

123 119 My 15-year-old nephew has already told his parents he's not going to college.

He's also learning to weld.

My sister and her husband are beyond thrilled.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (KbCG3)

=======

Just make sure he knows that if he finds $2 million in the expanse of Texas near the Mexican border after a cartel bloodbath to just let the money lie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

124 as a guy sitting back in the cheap seats...
I went through college between 1982 to 1986. Worked the whole time. Looking back it was very cheap but back then I didn't think so. I bet I didn't spend more than $500-$600/semester all in books + tuition. Say $600 x 2 semesters/year x 5 years = $6k for my engineering degree.
Just looked up same costs assuming 4 years at $16,211/year = $64,844

This is for University of Houston, a state college. using their calculator.

Posted by: DanMan at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (8uzBS)

125 30 So the problem you run into here is that you have a cohort of feminist young women with a ton of debt that believe a man without a college degree is below them

And a cohort of young men with little debt but no interest in wifing up and financing these young feminist's debt.

So the women claim "there are no good men" and the men claim "there are no good women" and from both of their perspectives they are right...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (ibTVg)
_________

I think never before in history have the sexes and their motivations/goals been more out of synch than now, and it's only going to get worse. This is partly why birth rates for pretty much every first-world country have fallen so much.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (iFTx/)

126 115
In short, most women want to end up on third base without having to hit a triple.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (MoZTd)

I recently saw a video of a woman who was addressing comments on a previous video she made calling her out for picking up after her husband.

For about a minute, she went on about how her husband provides everything for their family and literally built their house. She capped it off by saying that he does things she is literally incapable of, so yeah, washing a few of his dishes isn't really that big of a deal.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 19, 2024 11:29 AM (KbCG3)

127 More plumbers, welders, electricians, carpenters and mechanics

Fewer philosophers, political science majors, journalists, gender studies and art historians

Posted by: Don Black at January 19, 2024 11:29 AM (geLO8)

128 it sucks that they gotta be razed to their perfidious cobbles and converted into training grounds for Cossack knouters and their trusty rape dogs, but it is what it is.

*shrugs*
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (0FoWg)


Can you ever *really* trust a rape dog, though?

Posted by: spindrift at January 19, 2024 11:29 AM (AA8bA)

129 A feminist complaint I've heard of late is that men have an advantage in the corporate world because they can find stay at home wives that will take care of everything outside of the corporate job.

And...they aren't wrong in this. But they don't understand the point they are making.

1) Women, generally, do NOT want stay at home husbands taking care of the non-work stuff.

2) Those successful male corporate types are a partnership. They and their wives are not competing with each other because the whole battle of the sexes thing is stupid. Men and women are supposed to work together as a family.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:29 AM (ibTVg)

130 116 112 Heh. Saw a commercial for some show for Sigmund Freud where the police come to Sigmund Freud with a hurt woman who is dying.
Sigmund: "What do you want me to do?"
Police: "You're a doctor; help her!"
Sigmund: "I'm not THAT kind of doctor!"
::: woman dies :::
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

========

*gropes body a little bit...for science*
-Freud

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)

"She had a fixation with her Father"--Freud

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:30 AM (ynpvh)

131
Most people, men OR women do not want that sort of life. But out of the people that do almost all of them are men...
Posted by: 18-1


I see periodic laments about the paucity of Division I coaches who are women, or why there aren't any woman umpires. Well, a Division I coach works about 90 hours a week. And to be an umpire at the lower levels is to endure working conditions that would shame a chicken processing plant.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:30 AM (MoZTd)

132 As I put it a few weeks ago:

Colleges are finishing schools for girls before they go off and marry the government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (GBKbO)

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"This is another reason why we need to import tens of millions of third world illegal alien 'children' -- to help take care of all these barren women and their cats in old age!"

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 11:30 AM (C+z+B)

133 Just make sure he knows that if he finds $2 million in the expanse of Texas near the Mexican border after a cartel bloodbath to just let the money lie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

First thing he'd do is put it on SnapChat.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 19, 2024 11:31 AM (KbCG3)

134 With universities having evolved into outrageously expensive left-wing indoctrination camps, and with the perceived value of a sheepskin plummeting, college enrollment is declining, driven by a significant decline in young men attending college.
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College-for-everyone, it is believed, was created when they banned IQ tests for employment (racist). College was a very expensive, very time-consuming IQ test.

These days, with colleges teaching rote anti-intelligence, it's probably a reverse indicator of abstract thinking capability.

Face it, the creedal statement that I am either racist or anti-racist and must not think other is good for rote thinkers. So rote thinkers will succeed in a college environment.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2024 11:31 AM (krQz2)

135 123 119 My 15-year-old nephew has already told his parents he's not going to college.

He's also learning to weld.

My sister and her husband are beyond thrilled.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 19, 2024 11:27 AM (KbCG3)

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Just make sure he knows that if he finds $2 million in the expanse of Texas near the Mexican border after a cartel bloodbath to just let the money lie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

Airholes are only for whales and dolphins.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:31 AM (ynpvh)

136 120 Imagine what civilization (if there is one) is going to look like in about 50 years... here in the US.

- Nothing is going to be built that works
- What is working can't be maintained
- The insane running amok
- Quality of life probably lower than most 3rd world shitholes
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Also see: Idiocracy

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 19, 2024 11:31 AM (fs1hN)

137 133 Just make sure he knows that if he finds $2 million in the expanse of Texas near the Mexican border after a cartel bloodbath to just let the money lie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

First thing he'd do is put it on SnapChat.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 19, 2024 11:31 AM (KbCG3)

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Chigurh is gonna have no trouble tracking that kid down.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)

138 Just make sure he knows that if he finds $2 million in the expanse of Texas near the Mexican border after a cartel bloodbath to just let the money lie.

Alternatively, he could wrap aluminum foil around the container in which he found the money.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:32 AM (CsUN+)

139 I have 2 nephews, both doing quite well. They are white, married, no college degrees, trade schools. They both own their homes free of mortgages. No college debt. One owns 2 rental houses and lives in a very nice condo.
I am proud to have had them consult me about the direction of their careers after they got out of high school.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 19, 2024 11:32 AM (MeG8a)

140 One part of this is that while the media and the educational establishment like to profile the lives of famous corporate execs...no one talks about the 80 hour work weeks to get there.

I was once in an administrative proceeding involving an utility.

The CEO of the utility got to work at 4 AM, and had been doing so for decades.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 19, 2024 11:32 AM (YAtuc)

141 138 Just make sure he knows that if he finds $2 million in the expanse of Texas near the Mexican border after a cartel bloodbath to just let the money lie.

Alternatively, he could wrap aluminum foil around the container in which he found the money.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:32 AM (CsUN+)

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That might have helped, but his goose was cooked as soon as he decided to do the right thing and give the dying guy some water.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO)

142 In college, you learn the theory...
In the workplace, you learn reality.
Posted by: jim


And usually, the two never meet.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2024 11:33 AM (oWBqB)

143 96
That's 100% true. Programming moves so fast that either you know how to code (in which case specific languages/platforms/operating systems are something you can/must learn on the fly) or you don't. I'm a self-taught programmer with no degree and I've done fine for decades now. But I got my foot in the door due to connections I had and it would've been much more difficult otherwise.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:22 AM (2ocoG)

When I went to school (Associates) for CS, it was all about COBOL and Fortran (I know I'm showing my age). Never touched those languages after graduation. Found my initial niche with IBM midrange servers, then ERP systems, then database development, now in management.

I'll gladly hire a person who understands technology with a legitimate hunger to learn and to do. Screw the degree.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 19, 2024 11:33 AM (N39Ws)

144 142 In college, you learn the theory...
In the workplace, you learn reality.
Posted by: jim


And usually, the two never meet.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2024 11:33 AM (oWBqB)

Truer words never spoken.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 19, 2024 11:33 AM (N39Ws)

145 Today, only 39% of young men who have completed high school are enrolled in college, down from 47% in 2011. The rate at which young female high school graduates enroll has also fallen, but not by nearly as much (from 52% to 48%).
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That's a staggering decline in so short a time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:06 AM


This is the power of math, people!

Posted by: Silvia Tilly at January 19, 2024 11:34 AM (xttsV)

146 College has become a very (very) expensive anti-indicator of abstract thinking capability--except in STEM.

Posted by: Axeman at January 19, 2024 11:34 AM (krQz2)

147 8
There are probably 10 reasons I could list for not voting for Nikki Haley before I get to her extramarital affairs.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 19, 2024 11:34 AM (jbnUc)

148 A feminist complaint I've heard of late is that men have an advantage in the corporate world because they can find stay at home wives that will take care of everything outside of the corporate job.

And...they aren't wrong in this. But they don't understand the point they are making.

1) Women, generally, do NOT want stay at home husbands taking care of the non-work stuff.

2) Those successful male corporate types are a partnership. They and their wives are not competing with each other because the whole battle of the sexes thing is stupid. Men and women are supposed to work together as a family.


Division of labor, mfer, do you speak it?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:34 AM (CsUN+)

149 Time for morning stuff. Wash dishes, feed the cats, take my meds, wake the wife...
A good day to you all.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2024 11:35 AM (ynpvh)

150 Many schools offer financial aid and scholarships that are only for women. (In other words, they discriminate against men.)
Given that women now outnumber men in the colleges and universities - can we have male only scholarships now?
Failing that, can we at least end the sex discrimination?
-Yeah, I know. Keep dreaming.

Posted by: Chemist at January 19, 2024 11:35 AM (HJMJw)

151 We need engineers.

Posted by: Industry at January 19, 2024 11:35 AM (NBVIP)

152 131
Most people, men OR women do not want that sort of life. But out of the people that do almost all of them are men...
Posted by: 18-1

I see periodic laments about the paucity of Division I coaches who are women, or why there aren't any woman umpires. Well, a Division I coach works about 90 hours a week. And to be an umpire at the lower levels is to endure working conditions that would shame a chicken processing plant.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:30 AM (MoZTd)
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A family friend was going that road: NFL referee. He never got past the HS level despite being a good ref and putting in very long hours for 3-4 years. It's a grueling job, he took huge abuse from parents upset with his calls, and he was paid very little. In order to make the pros, he would have had to spend years as a college ref. He said "no mas."

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:35 AM (iFTx/)

153 There are a lot of folks out there that abandoned their Physics PhD's when they saw what the job market really looked like. Recent PhDs that I Knew were battling each other for jobs teaching algebra to nursing students at Mt. Saint Jackoff College. These were high energy particle guys. It's either that or go to work in the weapons industry.

I left with my Masters and went into Engineering where I have done really well and stayed out of Defense.

Posted by: pawn at January 19, 2024 11:36 AM (QB+5g)

154 College-for-everyone, it is believed, was created when they banned IQ tests for employment (racist). College was a very expensive, very time-consuming IQ test.

The Left also believes in college for everyone, because college employs millions of Leftists, and they want everyone to go through the college indrocination sessions.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 19, 2024 11:36 AM (YAtuc)

155
In short, most women want to end up on third base without having to hit a triple.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


You should view a few of the train crash interviews of young lovelies who rate themselves as "10"s and what their standards are for any young man to date them.

At least a six figure income, fellers, and no fatties, shorties, or non-degreed guys.

Welcome to the World of Enduring Disappointment!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:36 AM (xG4kz)

156 2) Those successful male corporate types are a partnership. They and their wives are not competing with each other because the whole battle of the sexes thing is stupid. Men and women are supposed to work together as a family.
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We may have reached peak civilization in the 50's. No, it wasn't perfect, but most 'progress' since then has been a regression from a civilized society.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 19, 2024 11:36 AM (fs1hN)

157 From Insty:
Under these regulations, faculty performance and tenure will also be evaluated based on professors’ commitment to and promotion of these government-mandated viewpoints. As our client, Reedley College professor Bill Blanken, said, “I’m a professor of chemistry. How am I supposed to incorporate DEI into my classroom instruction? What’s the ‘anti-racist’ perspective on the atomic mass of boron?”

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:36 AM (CsUN+)

158 Just looked up same costs assuming 4 years at $16,211/year = $64,844

This is for University of Houston, a state college. using their calculator.
Posted by: DanMan at January 19, 2024 11:28 AM (8uzBS)
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I went to a private college. Mid aughts. It struck me as - and was - catastrophically expensive. I had a fair amount of financial aid, but it was *still* a shit-ton of money. I walked out the door there with $38k in debt. It's a damn good thing that I didn't work in my field of study.

But anyway, it's so much worse now that's inconceivable to me how the doors on the place are still open. Full price (tuition, books, fees, room and board, etc.) :

My last academic year: $39,000*
Current academic year: $69,000

* The college's website doesn't go back this far (hooray! I'm a fogey!), so that is from memory. It was somewhere between $38k and $40k. It has gone up by almost 75% in under two decades.

It wasn't worth what I paid for it at the time. It is so far beyond "not worth it" now that I can't fathom how it has avoided an Antioch situation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:36 AM (z8vUP)

159 "This is another reason why we need to import tens of millions of third world illegal alien 'children' -- to help take care of all these barren women and their cats in old age!"
Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 11:30 AM (C+z+B)

That's what the German government told their people they were doing. Suddenly the old people who worked, and now expect some of that being taken care of, are finding themselves on the streets while the "caregivers" are given their homes. Almost as if 'a government that can give you everything, can also take everything away'. Strange, that.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 19, 2024 11:37 AM (nC+QA)

160 1) Women, generally, do NOT want stay at home husbands taking care of the non-work stuff.

He was boring, so I divorced him.

Posted by: Women! at January 19, 2024 11:37 AM (YAtuc)

161
We need engineers.
Posted by: Industry


So we can fire them.

Posted by: MBAs at January 19, 2024 11:37 AM (MoZTd)

162 I agree with the upthread comment re: the mix of who is in schools right now. I bet the percentage of white male US citizens in school has dropped like a stone.

We're picking on social work master's degrees but we should save some hate for Education master's degrees too.

I would like to know when the first education degree was issued. It has to be sometime in the late 1900's. It's a mystery how anyone learned anything before we had people graduating with education degrees.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 19, 2024 11:37 AM (z/ifB)

163 I'm really tired of the deification of STEM, though. Yes, these are good, useful, practical fields that we need.

But not everyone is cut out for them. I know I'm not. I'm a white male, and I can barely make a paper airplane,

And, as the past few years have shown us, a knowledge of non-technical fields (like history) can also be useful and practical in days of civilizational collapse and general loss of knowledge.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:38 AM (9yWhg)

164 159 That's what the German government told their people they were doing. Suddenly the old people who worked, and now expect some of that being taken care of, are finding themselves on the streets while the "caregivers" are given their homes. Almost as if 'a government that can give you everything, can also take everything away'. Strange, that.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 19, 2024 11:37 AM (nC+QA)

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"You told us to do something. We did something. Now, get fucked."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:38 AM (GBKbO)

165 Can you ever *really* trust a rape dog, though?

Posted by: spindrift at January 19, 2024 11:29 AM (AA8bA)

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"You can't trust a raped dog. Ask me how I know ..."

-- F. Joe Mugabe's German Shepherd "Commander"

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 11:38 AM (C+z+B)

166 "1) Women, generally, do NOT want stay at home husbands taking care of the non-work stuff."

Were our situations reversed, Mrs fd would have fired me the first day for loading the dishwasher the wrong way.

Posted by: fd at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (vFG9F)

167 As I wrote about a few months ago, fields that women are drawn to such as social work and speech pathology not only require a degree, but they effectively require a Masters Degree.
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I think part of that racket is to provide more University faculty job. That's where you can actually make real money in that particular field.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (fs1hN)

168 College-for-everyone, it is believed, was created when they banned IQ tests for employment (racist). College was a very expensive, very time-consuming IQ test.

It's not just IQ, though. It's also perseverance, resilience, and adaptability; traits which many of today's yutes utterly lack.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (CsUN+)

169 This busty brunette with extremely generous sideboob desperately hopes to evade the knouters and rape dogs:
http://tiny.cc/xim7wz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (z8vUP)

170
That might have helped, but his goose was cooked as soon as he decided to do the right thing and give the dying guy some water.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra


It was waiting to do so for around twelve hours that was his big mistake.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:40 AM (xG4kz)

171 When I went to school (Associates) for CS, it was all about COBOL and Fortran. Never touched those languages after graduation.

Where I went to school, the computer science department was all about PL/I, which was never a thing anywhere, as far as I can tell.

I heard they later switched to Pascal, well after the rest of the industry had given up on it as the next big thing.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2024 11:40 AM (EXyHK)

172 169 This busty brunette with extremely generous sideboob desperately hopes to evade the knouters and rape dogs:
http://tiny.cc/xim7wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (z8vUP)

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Spaghetti arms. She doesn't even lift, bro.

3/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:41 AM (GBKbO)

173 Really nasty shit society wise is baked in the cake at this point. The collapse of higher education in the USA will be like a wrecking ball going forward. If you think things are fucked up now, just wait.

Males in school for decades have been basically viewed as defective females by legions of neurotic wack jobs in “education”. In recent years they have found some respite by wearing female clothes and encouraged to mutilate their genitals, but this is not a viable long term solution or strategy.

It’s sort of interesting to watch a civilization get murdered before your eyes, in a train wreck sort of way. I no longer GAF, and just laugh.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2024 11:41 AM (2bEw1)

174 We need more women doctors. Like me.

Posted by: Jill Biden at January 19, 2024 11:41 AM (NBVIP)

175
Were our situations reversed, Mrs fd would have fired me the first day for loading the dishwasher the wrong way.
Posted by: fd at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (vFG9F)


Impossible actions

- Exceeding the speed of light
- Creating or destroying energy
- Husband loading the dishwasher to wife's satisfaction

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:41 AM (MoZTd)

176 You should view a few of the train crash interviews of young lovelies who rate themselves as "10"s and what their standards are for any young man to date them.

At least a six figure income, fellers, and no fatties, shorties, or non-degreed guys.


Spoiler alert: I've seen a few of those, and none of them are 10s. Few are even 5s.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:42 AM (2ocoG)

177 I'm really tired of the deification of STEM, though. Yes, these are good, useful, practical fields that we need.

But not everyone is cut out for them. I know I'm not. I'm a white male, and I can barely make a paper airplane,

And, as the past few years have shown us, a knowledge of non-technical fields (like history) can also be useful and practical in days of civilizational collapse and general loss of knowledge.


As a STEM guy, I can say you're absolutely right. The problem is that in STEM, if you can't do it, you wash out. In many other fields, you can bumble along and get a degree. Sure, you didn't learn anything, and you're unemployable, but you have that degree.

The stars in non-STEM fields work their asses off.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:42 AM (CsUN+)

178 MORNING RANT - The Rolling Implosion of Higher Education: Men Adapting Just Fine; Will Women Be Hit Hardest?

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Name one paid job that men can do that women can't do.

Name one paid job that women can do that men can do.

Now, same question, but unpaid. See if you can think of one thing that women can do that men can't. Not even the maintenance. Just the one task.

There's a hint at how feminism screwed women, and culture, and the western world, up so badly if people would only be honest with themselves about the simple things.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 11:42 AM (+RC1q)

179 176 Spoiler alert: I've seen a few of those, and none of them are 10s. Few are even 5s.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:42 AM (2ocoG)

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I doubt they're even that high.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (GBKbO)

180 Were our situations reversed, Mrs fd would have fired me the first day for loading the dishwasher the wrong way.

I just did a blog post referencing Bill Cosby’s “chocolate cake for breakfast” bit.

“…which is where I wanted to go in the first place.”

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (EXyHK)

181 Alternatively, he could wrap aluminum foil around the container in which he found the money.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:32 AM (CsUN+)

Or change the container.

During disaster relief for the 2004 tsunami I travelled with a guy who was carrying about $35k in cash. He had it in a worn out brown paper bag. I went from first being stunned at the idea to being convinced that was a damn clever way to disguise what he had.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (z/ifB)

182 172 169 This busty brunette with extremely generous sideboob desperately hopes to evade the knouters and rape dogs:
http://tiny.cc/xim7wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (z8vUP)

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Spaghetti arms. She doesn't even lift, bro.

3/10

Would not bang.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:41 AM (GBKbO)
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I dunno, bro. I'm getting some weird tranny vibes from that "girl." Would not bang.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (iFTx/)

183 Impossible actions
- Exceeding the speed of light
- Creating or destroying energy
- Husband loading the dishwasher to wife's satisfaction
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:41 AM (MoZTd)
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The fundamental problem in the dishwasher loading conflict is the approach. If you have the same approach, you can find a median point that is mutually acceptable.

But if one of you favors just-in-time dishwasher loading and the other favors capacity-optimized loading, you will be in permanent conflict if the duty is to be shared.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (z8vUP)

184 Dangit.

"Name one paid job that women can do that men CAN'T do."

But you know that.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (+RC1q)

185
How about instead of academic tenure, every year colleges and universities put all their faculty in an arena, with a smattering of young 'uns just out of school, and they engage in a melee?

Those who survive get to teach for the following year. Those who do not, do not.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (xG4kz)

186 181 Or change the container.

During disaster relief for the 2004 tsunami I travelled with a guy who was carrying about $35k in cash. He had it in a worn out brown paper bag. I went from first being stunned at the idea to being convinced that was a damn clever way to disguise what he had.
Posted by: TexasDan at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (z/ifB)

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Nah, that wouldn't have helped. The transponder was in a bundle of cash.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:44 AM (GBKbO)

187 Ahem.

Women, AND MINORITIES, hardest hit.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 19, 2024 11:44 AM (IGztl)

188 183 The fundamental problem in the dishwasher loading conflict is the approach. If you have the same approach, you can find a median point that is mutually acceptable.

But if one of you favors just-in-time dishwasher loading and the other favors capacity-optimized loading, you will be in permanent conflict if the duty is to be shared.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (z8vUP)

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Dolley cooks. I clean. I don't critique her cooking. She doesn't critique my dishwasher loading system.

Then...we bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:44 AM (GBKbO)

189 We need engineers.
Posted by: Industry


...to train their $9/hr replacements.

Posted by: Also Industry at January 19, 2024 11:45 AM (Cu3kj)

190 Now, same question, but unpaid. See if you can think of one thing that women can do that men can't. Not even the maintenance. Just the one task.
____

Men can get pregnant and were always able to since the dawn of humankind.
-Newspeak dictionary, current edition

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 19, 2024 11:45 AM (fs1hN)

191 Another example of the rot:
Scholars call for ‘social justice’ in civil engineering courses
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Hey, we got this covered.
Posted by: Florida International University


As funny as this joke is, the actual responsible party was FIGG Bridge Group, motto: "Building Bridges as Art"(instead of, you know, as bridges).

Posted by: Chuck C at January 19, 2024 11:45 AM (xttsV)

192 175
Were our situations reversed, Mrs fd would have fired me the first day for loading the dishwasher the wrong way.
Posted by: fd at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (vFG9F)

Impossible actions

- Exceeding the speed of light
- Creating or destroying energy
- Husband loading the dishwasher to wife's satisfaction
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:41 AM (MoZTd)
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I can load a perfect dishwasher, bruh! I have to. I live alone and have been for 20+ years. You become really really self-sufficient during that time. You have to.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

193
- Husband loading the dishwasher to wife's satisfaction
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


That I load it, set it running, and unload the cleaned items is satisfaction enough for Mrs. Krebs.

We do not agree on how best to load the beastie ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:45 AM (xG4kz)

194 Dolley cooks. I clean. I don't critique her cooking. She doesn't critique my dishwasher loading system.

We're the opposite. It's not that hard for a couple to figure out what works best for them. I don't need some ideological zealot trying to do it for me.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:46 AM (CsUN+)

195 The thing is that men, generally, do everything better than women, when women do something better than men it is because men are not doing that thing

Posted by: N at January 19, 2024 11:46 AM (RjBju)

196
My last academic year: $39,000*
Current academic year: $69,000

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Went to two private schools roughly equivalent in cost (also relied heavily on grants, scholarships, loans, and had to work):

[Annual Tuition, Room & Board:]
1980:
1985: > $15,000

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 11:46 AM (C+z+B)

197 I'm really tired of the deification of STEM, though. Yes, these are good, useful, practical fields that we need.

But not everyone is cut out for them. I know I'm not. I'm a white male, and I can barely make a paper airplane,

-

Did you notice that "studies" degrees started appearing once everyone was supposed to get student loans - sorry, "go to college" - and women that never even had the slightest interest in putting a piece of Lego onto another piece of Lego were being pushed into STEM fields?

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 11:46 AM (+RC1q)

198 Spoiler alert: I've seen a few of those, and none of them are 10s. Few are even 5s.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:42 AM (2ocoG)
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All women are 10s. Every women is highly desirable and attractive. Women usually self-rate and peer-rate at or near 10 (unless the person being rated is both outside the group and also a genuine 10, in which case she is rated lower so as to enable in the inflated ratings inside the group and for non-group sub-10s to remain consistent).

Since all women are perfect, their standards for mates are correspondingly exceedingly high.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:46 AM (z8vUP)

199 Name one paid job that men can do that women can't do.

The local Kroger chain had a strike, in part because "men were making more money on average than women".

It turned out that the reason for that was that the highest paid job in the store was the guys unloading the delivery trucks in the middle of the night.

Hard, physical labor, graveyard shift only.

Women weren't interested in that job, for some reason.

Posted by: Women! at January 19, 2024 11:47 AM (YAtuc)

200
* 1980: Less than $7,000
1985: More than $15,000

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 11:47 AM (C+z+B)

201 I worked in a place populated by academics. PhD's, Masters and whatnot. Scientists. Researchers. All bent on saving the planet.

Some of the most arrogant people on the planet.

Also some of the most clueless people on the planet.

Many were unable to perform any sort of menial task like changing the toner in a printer, replacing a light in a ceiling fixture, changing a flat tire and so on. I don't mean they didn't want to do those things. I mean they honestly didn't know how.

Advanced degrees do not translate into "smart" people.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 19, 2024 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)

202
FIGG Bridge Group


And the victims that they pancaked were referred to as
"FIGG-y pudding"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 11:47 AM (xG4kz)

203 198 All women are 10s. Every women is highly desirable and attractive. Women usually self-rate and peer-rate at or near 10 (unless the person being rated is both outside the group and also a genuine 10, in which case she is rated lower so as to enable in the inflated ratings inside the group and for non-group sub-10s to remain consistent).

Since all women are perfect, their standards for mates are correspondingly exceedingly high.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:46 AM (z8vUP)

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I've never seen a dude have a sign on his desk that said, "You are beautiful," or even a more masculine equivalent like, "You are butch," or "You are swole," or whatever.

I have seen such signs on many women's desks. It's weird that women have such issues with self___, but I'm not sure it's society's fault.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:48 AM (GBKbO)

204 A lot of the time I wonder why people even get married.

Posted by: nckate at January 19, 2024 11:48 AM (EPm6B)

205 46
'And that's why the dancing nurses were a thing in 2020.’

Surely those were just a narcissistic minority of nurses.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 19, 2024 11:48 AM (jbnUc)

206
Dating apps:

No men under 6", a genetic trait you have zero control over = fine

No women over 150lbs, a trait based entirely on self-control and activity level = misogynistic

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 11:49 AM (+RC1q)

207
We both cook, but if I'm cooking I tell Her Majesty to stay out of the kitchen. Because if she ever says, "Let's work as a team," it means I'll be doing whatever she says.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:49 AM (MoZTd)

208 204 A lot of the time I wonder why people even get married.
Posted by: nckate at January 19, 2024 11:48 AM (EPm6B)

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Dolley's hot and we bang.

It's pretty awesome.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:49 AM (GBKbO)

209 As a STEM guy, I can say you're absolutely right. The problem is that in STEM, if you can't do it, you wash out. In many other fields, you can bumble along and get a degree. Sure, you didn't learn anything, and you're unemployable, but you have that degree.
Posted by: Archimedes


Yes, that's true.

I think the only STEM field I might have had any aptitude for would've been surveying. I loved geometry more than any other math class I ever had in high school, and am a geography and cartography nut. So that field might have worked for me. But I was so fixated on going to college to study history and foreign languages that I never even considered it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:50 AM (9yWhg)

210 We both cook, but if I'm cooking I tell Her Majesty to stay out of the kitchen. Because if she ever says, "Let's work as a team,"

Ha! As if that would ever happen.

My wife hates, hates, HATES to cook. This fact was not apparent to me before we married. It's a good thing I like to.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:50 AM (CsUN+)

211 - Husband loading the dishwasher to wife's satisfaction
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 19, 2024 11:41 AM (MoZTd)

With John (late, first) Husband it was the other way around. He grew up with a dishwasher and also had an exceptional sense of space, and what would fit. I *was* the dishwasher growing up and I have a generally poor sense of space so I was always causing him intense frustration until he decided just not to look any more.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 19, 2024 11:50 AM (nC+QA)

212 Where I went to school, the computer science department was all about PL/I, which was never a thing anywhere, as far as I can tell.

I heard they later switched to Pascal, well after the rest of the industry had given up on it as the next big thing.


Pascal was the universal language of the future in the late 70s and for all of the 80s, and it's what the Advanced Placement CS test used. Windows and the original Mac OS were designed to be programmed in Pascal, and you can still see those origins in the Windows APIs today.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:50 AM (2ocoG)

213 179 176 Spoiler alert: I've seen a few of those, and none of them are 10s. Few are even 5s.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:42 AM (2ocoG)

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I doubt they're even that high.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:43 AM (GBKbO)
_______

Some are attractive. The problem is they drastically over-value their "worth" on the dating market. Along the way, they will ignore or even ridicule the guys at their level. At some point, they will realize they're never going to land that rich, studly, perfect guy they thought they would. It will be too late by then. They'll be bitter, resentful crazy cat ladies.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:51 AM (iFTx/)

214 I wonder why people even get married.
Posted by: nckate



Because men are not allowed to pay for sex

Posted by: N at January 19, 2024 11:51 AM (RjBju)

215 So the problem you run into here is that you have a cohort of feminist young women with a ton of debt that believe a man without a college degree is below them

And a cohort of young men with little debt but no interest in wifing up and financing these young feminist's debt.

So the women claim "there are no good men" and the men claim "there are no good women" and from both of their perspectives they are right...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2024 11:10 AM (ibTVg)
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The biggest growing job cohort will be unmarried white women. Ms. Karen's so to speak. They will have differing desires and employers will have to decide if, as labor forces shrink, they are willing to adapt their work practices and benefit structures to accommodate their needs.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 19, 2024 11:51 AM (GZYu7)

216 213 Some are attractive. The problem is they drastically over-value their "worth" on the dating market. Along the way, they will ignore or even ridicule the guys at their level. At some point, they will realize they're never going to land that rich, studly, perfect guy they thought they would. It will be too late by then. They'll be bitter, resentful crazy cat ladies.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 19, 2024 11:51 AM (iFTx/)

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Hence, why they're never more than 3's.

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:52 AM (GBKbO)

217 TJM, how is Dolley's recovery from her procedure going?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:52 AM (9yWhg)

218
College-for-everyone, it is believed, was created when they banned IQ tests for employment (racist). College was a very expensive, very time-consuming IQ test.

I've seen public service spots on TV complaining that too many people are denied jobs because they don't have "the paper" (degree). They want employers to come up with a different method of determining who they hire.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 19, 2024 11:52 AM (63Dwl)

219 You should view a few of the train crash interviews of young lovelies who rate themselves as "10"s and what their standards are for any young man to date them.

At least a six figure income, fellers, and no fatties, shorties, or non-degreed guys.

Welcome to the World of Enduring Disappointment!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:


Welcome to the world of revolving baby daddies and "Up Next on Center Stage, Tifanee!"

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2024 11:52 AM (oWBqB)

220 The weekend is here!
Made it home faster than yesterday, not many on the road and those who are driving slowly

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2024 11:52 AM (fwDg9)

221 217 TJM, how is Dolley's recovery from her procedure going?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:52 AM (9yWhg)

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Thanks for asking.

She's fine. It was exploratory, not much more. She's largely just happy she gets to eat again

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

222 I've never seen a dude have a sign on his desk that said, "You are beautiful," or even a more masculine equivalent like, "You are butch," or "You are swole," or whatever.

I have seen such signs on many women's desks. It's weird that women have such issues with self___, but I'm not sure it's society's fault.

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If y'all haven't watched it, watch the girl motivation vs boy motivation on youtube. NSFW language so use captions if needed.

Girls: If you don't believe you are, think that you are. Repeat it in your head and it's going to manifest...

Boys: You could have done better today. Someone forgot that he was his family's last hope...

youtube.com/watch?v=0CUd7RVeH2c

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 11:53 AM (+RC1q)

223 I've seen public service spots on TV complaining that too many people are denied jobs because they don't have "the paper" (degree). They want employers to come up with a different method of determining who they hire.

Desirability = 1/#tattoos.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:53 AM (CsUN+)

224 >>As a STEM guy, I can say you're absolutely right. The problem is that in STEM, if you can't do it, you wash out. In many other fields, you can bumble along and get a degree. Sure, you didn't learn anything, and you're unemployable, but you have that degree.

Or you build bridges in Florida.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2024 11:53 AM (ZLI7S)

225 I'm really tired of the deification of STEM, though. Yes, these are good, useful, practical fields that we need.

The "DEI"fication is just that. Back in the day, I think I only had to take three bullshit courses, right at my limit. I wouldn't make it thru today's curriculum.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2024 11:54 AM (Cu3kj)

226 I've never seen a dude have a sign on his desk that said, "You are beautiful," or even a more masculine equivalent like, "You are butch," or "You are swole," or whatever.

I have seen such signs on many women's desks. It's weird that women have such issues with self___, but I'm not sure it's society's fault.


Unnecessary signs are a big woman thing. "GATHER" or "EAT" or "FOOD" in the kitchen, and the ever popular "IN THIS HOUSE WE BELIEVE MAPLE SYRUP GOES ON FRENCH TOAST".

Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 11:54 AM (2ocoG)

227 I've seen public service spots on TV complaining that too many people are denied jobs because they don't have "the paper" (degree). They want employers to come up with a different method of determining who they hire.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 19, 2024 11:52 AM (63Dwl)




IT'S A TRAP!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 19, 2024 11:54 AM (aD39U)

228 221 Good to hear.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:54 AM (9yWhg)

229 I wonder why people even get married.
Posted by: nckate

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Because men are not allowed to pay for sex
Posted by: N

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Remember when men were expected to bring all kinds of stuff into a marriage, to the point of dowries and such, just to get the opportunity to see a woman's knees?

Way to go, ladies.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 11:54 AM (+RC1q)

230 The answer to declining male enrollment in universities is very simple.

Push lesbianism relentlessly.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 19, 2024 11:55 AM (CHHv1)

231 Husband loading the dishwasher to wife's satisfaction
Posted by: Hadrian


That can be taken more than one way.
Because women are never satisfied.
Hence, Paolo.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2024 11:55 AM (oWBqB)

232 Where I went to school, the computer science department was all about PL/I, which was never a thing anywhere, as far as I can tell.

In one of my handful of attempts to go back to college and wrap up my B.S. degree (back in 90s), I went to a small university north of Charlotte NC. Their language of choice? ADA. On a DEC PDP. The head of the Comp Sci program? A "doctor" in psychology who went back to school for enough Comp Sci credits so she could teach and head up the department. Never worked in the real world.

We butted heads a lot through that 1 class. I kept challenging her on teaching ADA - since there are no major defense department installations near Charlotte. Teach C/C++ instead.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 19, 2024 11:55 AM (N39Ws)

233 A friend of mine told me that a few years ago, his oldest son came up to him and said "Dad, I was thinking about going into the Air Force for a few years instead of going straight to college. Is that OK?"

Co-worker said he was an adult, he could make those choices and that he'd support him. Internally he was saying "I don't have to pay for college!"

About 2-3 years later, the youngest son asked if he could do the same thing. Co-worker said he could make those choices and that he'd support him.

Oldest son is still in the Air Force.
Youngest son is working in elevator maintenance.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 19, 2024 11:56 AM (lXCUP)

234 If y'all haven't watched it, watch the girl motivation vs boy motivation on youtube. NSFW language so use captions if needed.


I used to be president of my daughter's crew team. When we hired coaches, it was made very clear to them that the coaching methods for boys and girls were very different.

Girls: Oh, that's wonderful. A great effort.
Boys: God, you sucked today. Grow a pair.

Both sexes preferred it that way. If you tried the boy's approach on the girls, you'd have destroyed the team.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 11:56 AM (CsUN+)

235 This busty brunette with extremely generous sideboob desperately hopes to evade the knouters and rape dogs:
http://tiny.cc/xim7wz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:39 AM (z8vUP)

nipples

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 19, 2024 11:56 AM (xcxpd)

236 Women, even powerful successful women rarely marry down, and always keep an eye out for marrying up. It's a biological thing about setting up her offspring in as good of a situation as possible. As fewer college graduate men are available, there just won't be as many women college graduates getting married.

The dems are losing (on trend if not absolutely in numbers) every major demo cohort out there except unmarried women. Its why they hit abortion as hard as they did, it is their play to these voter's need for a sugar daddy. Because many of them won't have sugar daddies in the future, and with all the psycho stuff they believe, even available men are going to be hesitant to latch on to one of them.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 19, 2024 11:56 AM (GZYu7)

237 I graduated with a degree in European history in 1985. That degree means you can into teaching, continue your education and go for the doctoral or go to law school. I chose law school. Worked out then as I went to a small law school whose tuition went from 7500 to 8500 to 9500 while I was there . The tuition is now $58k+. The education has gotten more leftist

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 19, 2024 11:57 AM (/Mbcg)

238 I always do the dishes. The Missus is cool with that, and does not criticize how I do it, because they all come out nice and clean. Why gripe about something that works?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at January 19, 2024 11:57 AM (xPJvm)

239 238 I always do the dishes. The Missus is cool with that, and does not criticize how I do it, because they all come out nice and clean. Why gripe about something that works?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at January 19, 2024 11:57 AM (xPJvm)

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Because it could be done better!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

240 I always do the dishes. The Missus is cool with that, and does not criticize how I do it, because they all come out nice and clean. Why gripe about something that works?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at January 19, 2024 11:57 AM (xPJvm)
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Because it's *wrong*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 19, 2024 11:58 AM (z8vUP)

241 As jobs continue to become more technically advanced you will need more education. Men can no longer depend on grunt work to survive. My brother runs a machine shop, a job that in the past could be taught to a HS dropout. Today he is struggling to find young men with the skills to learn how to run his CNC machines .
Maybe they don't need a college degree but they better go to a trade school .

Posted by: anon at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (RqMDa)

242 Two amusing stories this AM...Eric Holder says you can't elect Trump because he will weaponize the DOJ.. And to go along with that Garland wants a speedy trial for Trump ... No weaponization there

Posted by: It's me donna at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (n2vyf)

243 I graduated with a degree in European history in 1985. That degree means you can into teaching, continue your education and go for the doctoral or go to law school. I chose law school.


I'm a paralegal. I have worked with many lawyers who graduated in some obscure academic field (medieval literature, physical anthropology), and then decided to go to law school to earn a living. They can be really interesting people to talk to.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (9yWhg)

244 Because many of them won't have sugar daddies in the future

Single women view the government as their husband.

Posted by: Women! at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (YAtuc)

245 Women, even powerful successful women rarely marry down, and always keep an eye out for marrying up.

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Even?

Especially. I pity the poor average man who is making $80K and has a fiance suddenly double her 60K salary to $120K. Worse still $150K or more.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (+RC1q)

246 WHO TOLD YOU TO LOAD PLATES LIKE THAT? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (R4t5M)

247 Buck
Do you really think that there are going to be a large amount of job opportunities as a real estate developer!
That example seems to me to be an outlier.
At present college educated men earn almost twice as much as high school only grads, 57000vs 109000.
The average student debt at graduation is about 40000

Avg college grad earned 50000 first year out.
Most/many recent high school grads get minimum wage

Posted by: Paul banned at January 19, 2024 12:00 PM (SOEoh)

248 When I went to University, the rage was Object Oriented Programming and VAX/VMS and IP wasn't part of the TCPIP stack yet.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 19, 2024 12:00 PM (XV/Pl)

249 Moses said, "I lay before you a choice." Look up the rest.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 19, 2024 12:00 PM (as3uC)

250
Women just don't appreciate that stacking the dishes at exactly 82 degree angle expedites efficient cleaning and superior airflow doing the drying cycle. We shouldn't have to explain this to them.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 19, 2024 12:00 PM (nIvob)

251 My Husband wouldn't criticize the way I load the dishwasher because then he'd have to do it...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 19, 2024 12:01 PM (n2vyf)

252 I'm a paralegal. I have worked with many lawyers who graduated in some obscure academic field (medieval literature, physical anthropology), and then decided to go to law school to earn a living. They can be really interesting people to talk to.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (9yWhg)

*raises hand*

Tudor and Stuart Lit. I went to law school because I'm good at reading and writing.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 19, 2024 12:01 PM (N3zMI)

253 Posted by: Paul banned at January 19, 2024 12:00 PM (SOEoh)

So, the college educated men are getting the good degrees, then.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

254 Women just don't appreciate that stacking the dishes at exactly 82 degree angle expedites efficient cleaning and superior airflow doing the drying cycle. We shouldn't have to explain this to them.

And yet, we find your dirty underwear on the floor instead of the nice basket we provided. We shouldn't have to explain this to you.

Posted by: Women, probably at January 19, 2024 12:01 PM (CsUN+)

255 *Why gripe about something that works?*

You know what you did.

Posted by: The Wife at January 19, 2024 12:02 PM (NBVIP)

256 Art history. Law school.

Posted by: nckate at January 19, 2024 12:02 PM (EPm6B)

257 251 My Husband wouldn't criticize the way I load the dishwasher because then he'd have to do it...
Posted by: It's me donna at January 19, 2024 12:01 PM (n2vyf)

Mrs OCiS criticized the way I did some of the chores. Guess which ones I don't do any more.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 19, 2024 12:02 PM (N39Ws)

258 I knew a guy who was in the Marines whose girlfriend told him she would never do his laundry for him.

So, one day, he made a point of putting all his clothes -- whites and colors -- all together in one load in her presence.

It worked. From then on, she did his laundry.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 12:02 PM (9yWhg)

259
So, the college educated men are getting the good degrees, then.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 12:01 PM (GBKbO

You mean they're not majoring in Lesbian basket weaving through the ages ?

Posted by: It's me donna at January 19, 2024 12:02 PM (n2vyf)

260 Prolapse Paul's mom beats his ass for loading the dishwasher wrong.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 19, 2024 12:02 PM (R4t5M)

261
Women just don't appreciate that stacking the dishes at exactly 82 degree angle expedites efficient cleaning and superior airflow doing the drying cycle. We shouldn't have to explain this to them.

Posted by: Divide by Zero


This is variant of the Christmas pony in the pile of horseshit joke, isn't it?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 12:03 PM (xG4kz)

262 College-for-everyone, it is believed, was created when they banned IQ tests for employment (racist). College was a very expensive, very time-consuming IQ test.

I've seen public service spots on TV complaining that too many people are denied jobs because they don't have "the paper" (degree). They want employers to come up with a different method of determining who they hire.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 19, 2024 11:52 AM (63Dwl)
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See Dobbs v Duke Power. College degrees became the get out of discrimination lawsuits free card after disparate impact became codified in law.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 19, 2024 12:03 PM (GZYu7)

263 245 Women, even powerful successful women rarely marry down, and always keep an eye out for marrying up.

I was never gonna marry down when it came to backbone or intellect. I didn't care about money, but I had a boyfriend who I knew would require me to make all the marital decisions and have the marital stable career. I moved on, and found someone better, now going on 2 decades. While I outearned my current spouse for awhile, I never out-intellected or out back-boned him, but we're peers...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 19, 2024 12:03 PM (exHjb)

264 I always like the "earned more after graduation" canard, especially if you think about someone getting into a good $40K (well, that's not good now that Biden has collapsed our economy, but you know what I mean) job right out of high school.

Oh no, he didn't earn that additional $10K each year or have the $65K student loan, and he also can retire at 48 and has five more years of compounded interest.

That whole approach is a psy-op by the same folks involved in the system to get student loans.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 12:03 PM (+RC1q)

265 My masters paid off, but I paid cash for it at $600 per hour. I was working 50-60 hour weeks while I did it. If I had to borrow for it, it might not.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 19, 2024 12:03 PM (lTGtQ)

266 question, article says AMERICAN kids are not going to college.... but colleges are still full... ergo, foreign kids?

I do know at UC Merced, the dorms are full of foreign kids. We seldom see them in town, and never out in the bars. Only College I've ever seen that did not have a series of bars right off campus.

Same with the 'Flight School' at old Castle Air Force Base. Teaches pilots to fly, all the way up to multi engine transports and such... all the students are foreign (we see them in their uniforms out in town every once in awhile).

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 19, 2024 12:04 PM (xaFKb)

267 I'm a paralegal. I have worked with many lawyers who graduated in some obscure academic field (medieval literature, physical anthropology), and then decided to go to law school to earn a living. They can be really interesting people to talk to.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (9yWhg)

*raises hand*

Tudor and Stuart Lit. I went to law school because I'm good at reading and writing.


My lawyer daughter got a undergraduate degree in International Relations. I was really nervous about that, but I needn't have been. She's a powerhouse, and parleyed that degree first into a consultant job and now into a hugely remunerative law job. It can be done, but as I said earlier, only if you're willing to put in the work and not be content to just do the minimum.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 19, 2024 12:04 PM (CsUN+)

268
Get this -- I am the one who puts the toilet seat down in our house. The missus doesn't because she does not want to bend down to lift it (back issues).

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 12:05 PM (xG4kz)

269 266 question, article says AMERICAN kids are not going to college.... but colleges are still full... ergo, foreign kids?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 19, 2024 12:04 PM (xaFKb)

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"This is library!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 19, 2024 12:05 PM (GBKbO)

270 Got my masters cuz my employer paid for it. Honestly, I learned nothing new with the MBA but I bill at a higher rate.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 19, 2024 12:05 PM (LVNnd)

271 I'm a paralegal. I have worked with many lawyers who graduated in some obscure academic field (medieval literature, physical anthropology), and then decided to go to law school to earn a living. They can be really interesting people to talk to.

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I'm assuming they graduated in the 80s and 90s when ANY college degree would get you in the door of a job and on your way to a good career.

If you go to college now you'd better know what you're going to do from the get-go, because you're wasting money if you're just going to get an art degree. Unless you're going to continue cashing those student loan checks until you're Dr Art Degree and working at Lowes where you could've started when you were 18 and already be a district manager with no debt.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 12:05 PM (+RC1q)

272 While I outearned my current spouse for awhile, I never out-intellected or out back-boned him, but we're peers...
Posted by: Nova Local


Yes. This is how it is done.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 12:05 PM (9yWhg)

273 Maybe they don't need a college degree but they better go to a trade school .

All my engineering degrees helped very little when becoming a machinist, later in life. Getting a two-year and interning were 100 times more useful and it was great.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2024 12:05 PM (CzZiU)

274 Just read about the Blackstone building in Manhattan with a 7.45 occupancy rate.

Why hasn’t liberal Blackstone offered it up to house those illegal immigrants or Adams pointing it out and asking them for the space?

Posted by: Titanium White at January 19, 2024 12:06 PM (MNhXM)

275 When I went to University, the rage was Object Oriented Programming and VAX/VMS and IP wasn't part of the TCPIP stack yet.

OOP is still a thing. And VAX/VMS lives on in that Windows NT (the basis of all current Windows versions) was designed by VMS's architect as the sequel to VMS.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 12:06 PM (2ocoG)

276 More snow than I anticipated. Should be relatively easy to push. May have to assemble the snow blower I bought in 2021. Still boxed behind the bikes.

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at January 19, 2024 12:06 PM (roPuI)

277 whites and colors -- all together

Segregationist!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 19, 2024 12:06 PM (2X1s9)

278 Prolapse Paul's mom beats his ass for loading the dishwasher wrong.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory


She wanted doggy. He wanted missionary.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2024 12:07 PM (oWBqB)

279 As jobs continue to become more technically advanced you will need more education. Men can no longer depend on grunt work to survive. My brother runs a machine shop, a job that in the past could be taught to a HS dropout. Today he is struggling to find young men with the skills to learn how to run his CNC machines .
Maybe they don't need a college degree but they better go to a trade school .

Posted by: anon at January 19, 2024 11:59 AM (RqMDa)
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This is why businesses are pushing local school systems to start pushing STEM, and quit creating the environment where the middle school kid self selects out of math and science. Factory jobs require some math ability, the ability to interface with PLC's and other tech. Because you don't need a degree to do these jobs, but you do need to have gotten an education.

Once in, if you have the knack, and desire, you can go to college to get more advanced technical knowledge. Hell they'll even help pay for it.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 19, 2024 12:07 PM (GZYu7)

280 and VAX/VMS and IP wasn't part of the TCPIP stack yet.
Posted by: Thomas Bender


What was the big-brain thinking on VAX terminals in which hitting the backspace key erased the entire line?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 19, 2024 12:07 PM (IG4Id)

281 Prolapse Paul's mom beats his ass for loading the dishwasher wrong.

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Forks and spoons down, knife blades facing up.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 12:07 PM (+RC1q)

282 I'm assuming they graduated in the 80s and 90s when ANY college degree would get you in the door of a job and on your way to a good career.

'89. Majored in linguistics. Joined the Navy after graduation and put my interest in foreign languages to use as a Russian interpreter/translator.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 12:07 PM (9yWhg)

283
Single women view the government as their husband.
Posted by: Women!


The Life of Julia

https://youtu.be/oqBjXP8RKho

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 19, 2024 12:08 PM (63Dwl)

284 Got my masters cuz my employer paid for it. Honestly, I learned nothing new with the MBA but I bill at a higher rate.

Posted by: Pudinhead


That's funny, my then employer not only would not pay, they fired me shortly after I graduated. Of course, I was not going to stay long term anyway.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 19, 2024 12:08 PM (lTGtQ)

285 OOP is still a thing. And VAX/VMS lives on in that Windows NT (the basis of all current Windows versions) was designed by VMS's architect as the sequel to VMS.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 12:06 PM (2ocoG)

With Microsoft more and more embracing Linux, I'd expect to see a MS-Windows released in the coming years that sits on top of the Linux kernel.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 19, 2024 12:08 PM (N39Ws)

286 Single women view the government as their husband.
Posted by: Women!

The only one most of them will ever have

Posted by: It's me donna at January 19, 2024 12:08 PM (n2vyf)

287 Single women view the government as their husband.



Bureaugamy

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 12:08 PM (9yWhg)

288 '89. Majored in linguistics. Joined the Navy after graduation and put my interest in foreign languages to use as a Russian interpreter/translator.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

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Yep. The only fields you really needed to focus on were specifics back then. Now you'd better know what you want unless you're a trust fund kid, because inflation worked with college degrees, too. No one cares that you graduated college now because people like Fanni and Trayvon have college degrees.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 12:09 PM (+RC1q)

289 When I went to University, the rage was Object Oriented Programming and VAX/VMS and IP wasn't part of the TCPIP stack yet.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 19, 2024 12:00 PM (XV/Pl)

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Loved the VAX/VMS OS back then (worked as a computer operator at a timeshare company in Silicon Valley while going to college).

Then we got a new system with BSD Unix, and I remember a coworker saying that UNIX would become the dominating operating system of the future ... at which I scoffed at the time.

He got the last laugh ...

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 12:09 PM (RG6Bq)

290 With Microsoft more and more embracing Linux, I'd expect to see a MS-Windows released in the coming years that sits on top of the Linux kernel.

Yeah. But until then it's funny that VMS vs. Unix is still the choice 40 years later.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2024 12:09 PM (2ocoG)

291
whites and colors -- all together

Segregationist!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards



"No, mix 'em up, mix 'em up. I'm tired of states' rights."

-- General George Thomas, when asked if the dead should be buried together according to what state they were from after the Battle of Nashville.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2024 12:09 PM (xG4kz)

292 Clearly, men are being denied an opportunity to get a higher education. Where is the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ when we have this clear discrimination ?

Posted by: SMOD at January 19, 2024 12:10 PM (RovqD)

293 Anyone even thinking of doing anything but laugh at any numbers which innumerate retard Paul presents should note that his super-accurate figures of the number of illegal parasite invaders Biden has let in jumped from 2 million to 3 million from one week to the next.

Posted by: spindrift at January 19, 2024 12:10 PM (AA8bA)

294 Got my masters cuz my employer paid for it. Honestly, I learned nothing new with the MBA but I bill at a higher rate.

Posted by: Pudinhead


That's funny, my then employer not only would not pay, they fired me shortly after I graduated. Of course, I was not going to stay long term anyway.
Posted by: Thomas Paine


My employer pays, but if you weren't already on the promotion to upper management track, you don't benefit from it by staying there. They feel they paid for it, they don't need to promote you over it.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 19, 2024 12:11 PM (oWBqB)

295 288 '89. Majored in linguistics. Joined the Navy after graduation and put my interest in foreign languages to use as a Russian interpreter/translator.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Bet you got a clearance as well. Those come in real handy.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 19, 2024 12:11 PM (LVNnd)

296 I take issue with ace's blue eyed nordic wench, a couple of the pictures of Sanchez look quite lovely.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 19, 2024 12:11 PM (zZu0s)

297 My two kids have STEM Masters degrees, are married, have a house and a child. Living the dream.

Posted by: SMOD at January 19, 2024 12:11 PM (RovqD)

298 As I wrote about a few months ago, fields that women are drawn to such as social work and speech pathology not only require a degree, but they effectively require a Masters Degree.

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Showing that women employment is heavily dependent on government spending. Look at any employment sector that women dominate and invariably government spending is a significant factor.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 19, 2024 12:11 PM (STS99)

299 Majored in linguistics. Joined the Navy after graduation and put my interest in foreign languages to use as a Russian interpreter/translator.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

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This explains many of your comments.

Posted by: ShainS at January 19, 2024 12:12 PM (RG6Bq)

300 Majored in linguistics. Joined the Navy after graduation and put my interest in foreign languages to use as a Russian interpreter/translator.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

I have always thought that learning a few foreign languages or learning to be a welder are the skills that would always keep you employed .

Posted by: Titanium White at January 19, 2024 12:12 PM (MNhXM)

301 My employer pays, but if you weren't already on the promotion to upper management track, you don't benefit from it by staying there. They feel they paid for it, they don't need to promote you over it.
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As a contractor you never think you will be with one firm more than 5 to 7 years at best. Next contract you get paid for it.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 19, 2024 12:12 PM (LVNnd)

302 why did I go to college at 25 in the early 80s you ask?

Because in 1982 the Plyler case was settled. That made it so we had to provide hospital, education and welfare bennies to ILLEGAL ALIENS that promptly destroyed my construction business!!!

Thanks Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: DanMan at January 19, 2024 12:12 PM (8uzBS)

303 Nood

Posted by: nckate at January 19, 2024 12:14 PM (EPm6B)

304 I like the unintended consequences, too.

Women and minorities get preferences, so the people who don't have to get even better and work even harder to get hired.

The white men that they hate are not just slightly better, but heads and shoulders better. Because they have to be. And their actions created that situation.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - Trump losing one massively (D) county by one vote proves that he can't beat Biden at January 19, 2024 12:14 PM (+RC1q)

305 Because you don't need a degree to do these jobs, but you do need to have gotten an education.

Whoa, there. Our job is to hand out diplomas. Go to community college if want a high school education, Mr. Einstein.

Posted by: Modern High School at January 19, 2024 12:14 PM (dKOCi)

306 Worked in a few office buildings with barely 25% occupancy, since Covid everyone seems to be working at home. And government jobs are pay without working.

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2024 12:14 PM (fwDg9)

307 My employer pays, but if you weren't already on the promotion to upper management track, you don't benefit from it by staying there. They feel they paid for it, they don't need to promote you over it.

Posted by: rickb223


Mine didn't like me spending weeknights and weekends not in the office. And then when I showed them that one of their star employees was falsifying quarterly numbers, they chose to keep the star.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 19, 2024 12:15 PM (lTGtQ)

308 Unfortunately gone are the days where you spent your entire career with one employer. People and employers have opted for the quick buck and less expensive labor respectively.

I love the idea of the 401k but it let a lot of employers off the hook for pension plans.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 19, 2024 12:18 PM (MNhXM)

309 Union jobs still demand the pensions though.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 19, 2024 12:19 PM (MNhXM)

310
fields that women are drawn to such as social work and speech pathology not only require a degree, but they effectively require a Masters Degree.

This is all a racket and a scam that mainly preys on young women and enriches the universities. In fact, every single person I’ve know that has followed these 6 or 7 year degree plans is female.


Because these academic "disciplines" are ruled over by lesbian gap-lappers, who are mainly interested in graduate degree programs as a means of increasing the size of their lesbian dating pool.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2024 12:20 PM (n+4am)

311 Bet you got a clearance as well. Those come in real handy.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Yep. Wasn't able to use it after my stint in the Navy, though, so it lapsed.

Bye for now, all. Off to shovel snow.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 19, 2024 12:21 PM (9yWhg)

312 There is nothing wrong with the choice to raise a family (it's admirable, even, given today's feminism demonizes it); however, there is a finite number of medical school spots, and taking one of those spots and then almost immediately abandoning is selfish and damaging to healthcare (creates need for foreign doctors). But grrrrrll power, amirite!?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (NKqpy)


The number of women I went to law school with who actually had a career in practicing law was probably less than 50%. The number who got married and stopped working was staggeringly high. The number who went into other careers also significant.

I'm willing to bet the same is true across almost every profession. Of course, this adds to the alleged "wage gap" between men and women, as does taking a few years off to raise children. But the left never lets facts get in the way.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at January 19, 2024 12:23 PM (ky+MF)

313 OOP is the way people who can't think logically are able to produce "code". Sadly a computer can only successfully run logical code. The "code" the programmer produces is reduced to logical code by a compiler so the computer can run it. If this strikes you as a ridiculous, error prone, way to do things, you would be correct.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at January 19, 2024 12:23 PM (CecP5)

314 Unfortunately gone are the days where you spent your entire career with one employer. People and employers have opted for the quick buck and less expensive labor respectively.

I love the idea of the 401k but it let a lot of employers off the hook for pension plans.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 19, 2024 12:18 PM (MNhXM)
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Pension plans are exceedingly expensive. 401ks are easier and certainly cheaper, easier and cheaper to comply with regulations, and provide better retirement money for people who never get vested in a regular pension.

It requires you put your own money in - so there is discipline required. But if you are smart, and no employer can force you into company stock anymore, no danger of default.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 19, 2024 12:26 PM (GZYu7)

315 I admit to being a college dropout (1980’s) which carried highly negative connotations then. Today I would encourage many to drop out and go to the library. It might have been Zappa who said the best education was experience and a book in a library - that college was a waste of time and money. I sometimes regret missing out on the campus experience and the relationships - but come to my senses. I look back and realize there is not a single person back then that I would likely have a personal or professional contact with today. Trade school and a job. Learn how to make or fix something and then scale it. College won’t do that for you.

Posted by: Java Joe at January 19, 2024 12:27 PM (WaLgG)

316 Majored in linguistics.
This explains many of your comments.

And yet and yet, the Moronry argued half the night
over how "toboggan" can be a name for a kind of hat.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 19, 2024 12:33 PM (zdLoL)

317 I worked in graduate ed, and a master's degree is a waste for a teacher, yet that was our biggest cohort. It's a scam: they can only get a raise if they get another degree, so they keep on getting one. And there is nothing about teaching skills in the program, it's all leftist pedagogy.

Big money maker for the college. Grad ed would collapse if employers stopped requiring one for promotions.

Posted by: PJ at January 19, 2024 12:35 PM (G1dq6)

318 I am not disputing that these are legitimate academic fields and respectable careers

Okay then, I'll do it so you don't have to. I do dispute that these are legitimate academic fields. In roughly the century-and-a-half that electrical engineering has existed as a discipline, we've gone from struggling to make a useful light bulb to carrying around little computers in our pockets, connected to a reputable worldwide communication network. In the last 150 years of medicine, we've gone from tentative acceptance of the Germ Theory of Disease to doing heart valve repair in utero.
Teaching and Social Work started out as their own disciplines around the same time frame. What have they accomplished? There's been no world-changing wizardry. Educators flit from fad to fad, each one producing results that are at best no better than before. Social workers are no better at fixing social dysfunction than they were 100 years ago.

Posted by: DaveL at January 19, 2024 12:36 PM (TSPhM)

319 Two of the best programmers I knew in my career did not go to college. One of them was my mentor. I went to college, but had a liberal arts degree - I never took a programming course, ever. In my experience, too, the people designing CS curriculae tend to do so based on the state of the art when they left business and went into academia, which means that what's being taught in those expensive colleges is largely obsolete. If asked, I'd tell a young person today to read books and get involved in open-source projects, and, ideally, find a mentor. There will always be a good job available to someone with skill and stick-to-it-iveness.

Posted by: Nemo at January 19, 2024 01:21 PM (S6ArX)

320 Retired now... but when I started a $DAYJOB a long time ago.. for the field I was in, college made a lot of sense. In fact, the first company I worked for more or less required a Master's Degree. It ended up worth it for me. I got at least $6000 more a year on my starting salary because of college without any "work" experience at all. I had debt from my undergrad stuff, but I managed to pay that off without too much burden. As an advisor once said to me, "They will pay you to get a Master's degree. In fact, don't go anywhere that won't pay you.". And, indeed, the university did, so no debt from that. But even for me, the only purpose of the degree set was to get the first "real" job position. Every other place I was at after that was all based upon experience with the degree losing its usefulness as time goes on. Today, in the field I worked, I would not necessarily recommend college unless it was needed as a check box to get the job. Experience, in almost any form, was more important. The value of college has certainly lessened, in my opinion, unless you are going to go into hard research or academia itself.

Posted by: B at January 19, 2024 01:25 PM (XsyPS)

321 The rejection of the “the college path” by so many young men is good news for the country. They don’t need a degree, and they will thrive and prosper while starving the beast of tuition money. I also hope that as universities continue to lose power and respectability that more career paths open up for women without degrees.

One downside of this is that in recent culture of the last few decades, many people met their future spouse in college. With less young men going to college, this will mean less young people are meeting their future spouses in college. Which I am sure the Marxist Left is in favor of, since they want an end to relationships and the nuclear family. They got this going a couple decades ago with the narrative that all college men are rapists, a message which obviously encourages women to stay away from men. And now they are programming women in college to hate men, indoctrinating women into the idea they should be married to their job and the government. Further eroding relationship and future family culture.

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Posted by: forge at January 19, 2024 03:39 PM (vY23i)

323 I know this is off-topic, but something that never gets mentioned re: more women in college is medical school.
I know more than a few women (daughters of friends, etc.) who attended medical only to quit when they were near completion of residency (one actually quit on the last day "I don't think I want to be a doctor") or only a few years into practicing medicine to raise their family.

There is nothing wrong with the choice to raise a family (it's admirable, even, given today's feminism demonizes it); however, there is a finite number of medical school spots, and taking one of those spots and then almost immediately abandoning is selfish and damaging to healthcare (creates need for foreign doctors). But grrrrrll power, amirite!?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2024 11:12 AM (NKqpy)

Sounds like a reason for the colleges to prefer men who will be donating to the school rather than the women who drop out.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 19, 2024 03:51 PM (eoQWY)

324 Teaching and Social Work started out as their own disciplines around the same time frame. What have they accomplished? There's been no world-changing wizardry. Educators flit from fad to fad, each one producing results that are at best no better than before. Social workers are no better at fixing social dysfunction than they were 100 years ago.
Posted by: DaveL at January 19, 2024 12:36 PM (TSPhM)

Women's Studies don't have a single unambiguous result that has gone out into the world and been universally accepted outside the field. Historians have it, chemists have it. Even Literature profs do. Not the recent polemic schools. This is why Hungary banned all of them from the country.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 19, 2024 03:56 PM (eoQWY)

325 etired now... but when I started a $DAYJOB a long time ago.. for the field I was in, college made a lot of sense. In fact, the first company I worked for more or less required a Master's Degree. It ended up worth it for me. I got at least $6000 more a year on my starting salary because of college without any "work" experience at all.
Posted by: B at January 19, 2024 01:25 PM (XsyPS)

I don't recall the author, and there may be several doing this in the 80s but in their near future they were naming higher education "schools" after corporations. So instead of having a uni as a middleman, Corps had their own higher education for what they wanted to teach.

I always thought this made sense, as in Computer Science most Unis are decades behind what languages are in use for teaching programming.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 19, 2024 04:00 PM (eoQWY)

326 I worked in graduate ed, and a master's degree is a waste for a teacher, yet that was our biggest cohort. It's a scam: they can only get a raise if they get another degree, so they keep on getting one. And there is nothing about teaching skills in the program, it's all leftist pedagogy.

Big money maker for the college. Grad ed would collapse if employers stopped requiring one for promotions.
Posted by: PJ at January 19, 2024 12:35 PM (G1dq6)

My mom got one of those "Masters" to get a substitute teacher credential. It was on the level of paper dolls and construction paper. She had been a history prof before marriage and kids for a little bit, so it taught her nothing but had to be done.

And El Ed majors were a joke at colleges.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 19, 2024 04:02 PM (eoQWY)

327 This is why businesses are pushing local school systems to start pushing STEM, and quit creating the environment where the middle school kid self selects out of math and science. Factory jobs require some math ability, the ability to interface with PLC's and other tech. Because you don't need a degree to do these jobs, but you do need to have gotten an education.

Once in, if you have the knack, and desire, you can go to college to get more advanced technical knowledge. Hell they'll even help pay for it.
Posted by: Black JEM at January 19, 2024 12:07 PM (GZYu7)

Too late, brick and mortar public and private schools are dead. They need to set up online or homeschooling courses so that sane parents can avoid the poison instead.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 19, 2024 04:08 PM (eoQWY)

328 1960-2010 No College is not an option
>2010 No College is a great option

Unless you are studying Physics, avoid.
Posted by: scottst at January 19, 2024 11:22 AM (qcvs

STEM is by no means immune to the destruction of learning and real science.

Physics is plagued by "theories" that are never discarded, just redone so we can't test them until we get better or larger accelerators. And if we prove them nothing will happen since for some reason all the new particles theorized don't do anything.

Then in Cosmology we have Dark Matter and Dark Energy that there isn't even a theory to prove or disprove. Or a test that would detect any in our neighborhood, but somehow far away they explain everything except when they dont.

And soon enough Afro-Astronomy will destroy them too as there are jobs to be secured.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 19, 2024 04:18 PM (eoQWY)

329 Let be honest, a bachelor's is a two-year degree, and a master's is another two-year degree.

One thing college has done is lard up on perquisites and on classes necessary to make "a well-rounded" student. You force engineers to take classes in the humanities. This is a colossal waste of everyone's time.

Try giving degrees to people taking classes in their major, and nothing else. The time to acquire proficiency in these fields would drop like a stone.

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