THE MORNING RANT: Cox Media Promoted to Advertisers That It Is Eavesdropping on Private Conversations Via Cell Phone Microphones

For those of us capitalists who used to assertively defend corporations from the left, the 21st century takeover of corporate America by executives pushing a hard-left agenda has been disheartening.

Even more disheartening is that the ethical behaviors and codes of conduct that both the right and the left once demanded of corporations have been tossed aside. In today’s business climate, so long as a corporation is conspicuously advocating for cultural Marxism, its managers and executives feel empowered to abandon any pretext of ethical behavior.

Cox Media Group (“CMG” was recently exposed for promoting its ability to eavesdrop on private conversations via the microphones on cell phones and smart devices, and to use that information to sell targeted advertising.

Specifically, CMG boasted of its ability to engage in “Active Listening” on behalf of advertisers, so that "the whispers of consumers become a tool for you to target."

It made this claim in a since-deleted post at its CMG Global Solutions website. CMG’s claim that it could “actively listen” in this way disputes the tech industry’s repeated assertions that our phones and devices are not monitoring our personal conversations.

Cox Media Group is a subsidiary of the Cox Enterprises empire, which includes Cox Cable, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Cox Automotive (Auto Trader, Kelley Blue Book) and dozens of TV and radio stations.

In boasting to potential advertisers about its ability to eavesdrop on private conversations, Cox Media has engaged in one of two egregious ethical behaviors. It either:

1) Lied to advertisers about its ability to eavesdrop on targeted consumers.

2) Eavesdropped on consumers without consent.

Being a left-wing media operation, Cox did what you would expect it to do when caught in unethical behavior - it simply deleted the information it had previously published and went into denial mode.

Several non-Cox publications have documented this story.

“Are Marketers Using Smartphones to Listen to Your Conversations to Target Ads? Yes, Cox Media Group Says in Materials Deleted From Its Website” [Variety – 12/15/2023]

It’s been a long-held suspicion by many people: that smartphones and smart speakers are listening in on their private conversations for various reasons.
Now one company — Atlanta-based Cox Media Group — has revealed that yes, your devices are listening to you. Indeed, CMG touted its ability to identify “relevant conversations via smartphones, smart TVs and other devices” using AI to let local businesses target ads to those people.
“It’s True. Your Devices Are Listening to You,” said a page on the CMG Local Solutions site, which has since been pulled down. “With Active Listening, CMG can now use voice data to target your advertising to the EXACT people you are looking for.”

Although that original post has since been deleted by Cox, it has been archived and can be found here.

At the bottom of this post I will print the full text of Cox Media’s now-deleted admission of eavesdropping.

Cox has subsequently issued a formal denial of engaging in the actions it previously boasted about. However, Cox also seems to be insinuating that it does receive information from other parties that are gathering information from cell phone microphones.

In a statement released Friday, Cox Media Group said that its businesses “do not listen to any conversations or have access to anything beyond a third-party aggregated, anonymized and fully encrypted data set that can be used for ad placement.”
According to the company, CMG Local Solutions’ access to advertising data based on voice and other data is collected by third-party platforms and devices “under the terms and conditions provided by those apps and accepted by their users.”

Like most everyone, there have been numerous occasions in which I’ve received online ads for products I don’t use, but which came up in a conversation. If I start getting diaper ads after a co-worker mentions the task of diaper changing, I’ve been assured this is just the algorithms doing their thing, not because my device heard the word diaper. I’ve been skeptical, and Cox seems to be admitting now that eavesdropping is happening, and that the information gathered from eavesdropping is made into a product that is being sold.

Congress has previously looked into this, and Apple specifically denied that its iPhones are listening in on surrounding conversations.

“Apple says it doesn’t listen in on consumers, despite concerns” [Fox Business – 8/08/2018]

Apple told U.S. lawmakers Tuesday that despite privacy concerns, its iPhones do not listen to users without their consent.
Last month, House members Greg Walden, Marsha Blackburn, Gregg Harper and Robert Latta wrote to Apple CEO Tim Cook and Alphabet CEO Larry Page citing their concerns about reports that smartphones are listening to users’ conversations without being triggered with a ‘Hey, Siri,” or ‘Okay, Google.’
Apple responded with a letter of their own debunking the reports, while adding it does not allow third-party apps to listen in either.

That seems quite clear and explicit.

Or is there some wiggle room for parsing the meaning of does not allow third-party apps to listen in either.

Apple also said that Siri does not record audio while waiting for commands or does not share any spoken words. The company said it explicitly requires its users to approve microphone access and that apps must display a clear signal that they are listening.

Cox Media has acknowledged that it is buying information from third parties who are eavesdropping on cell phone conversations. Whatever consent consumers may give phone apps for microphone access when the app is being used should not be a license to bug all conversations in a consumer’s house.

Congress needs to subpoena some tech and media executives to explain why Cox media is gaining access to information obtained from private conversations.

*****

Here is the shocking full text of Cox Media’s promotion of its ability to listen to private conversation via cell phone microphones:

Imagine a world where you can read minds.
One where you know the second someone in your area is concerned about mold in their closet, where you have access to a list of leads who are unhappy with their current contractor, or know who is struggling to pick the perfect fine dining restaurant to propose to their discerning future fiancé.
This is a world where no pre-purchase murmurs go unanalyzed, and the whispers of consumers become a tool for you to target, retarget, and conquer your local market.
It's not a far-off fantasy-it's Active Listening technology, and it enables you to unlock unmatched advertising efficiency today so you can boast a bigger bottom line tomorrow.
Do we need a bigger vehicle? I feel like my lawyer is screwing me. It's time for us to get serious about buying a house—No matter what they're saying, now you can know and act.
A marketing technique fit for the future. Available today.
Machine learning algorithms are improving and introducing a new era for advertising. Our Active Listening tech gives you a weekly roster of qualified customers who have voiced their need for your service or product. We then upload the list to your preferred advertising platforms so you can target ads to the right people at the right time.
Tapping into the power of intent improves relevance and increases ROI
Reactive advertising is no longer enough to get ahead. Embracing predictive and proactive strategies is the key to growth.
Active Listening gives organizations clarity into the most effective channels and timing for their advertising efforts. By incorporating and analyzing customer data gleaned from conversations happening around smart devices, we can pinpoint where and when customers are most likely to engage with ads. When you have this information in reach, you have the power to deploy targeted campaigns at opportune moments on the platforms where your audience spends their time. The results? Maximized visibility and impact.
Whether you're a scrappy startup or a Fortune 500, Active Listening makes the unreachable in-reach.
How does it all work?
Advertise to the exact people who need your services.
CMG can customize your campaign to listen for any keywords/targets relevant to your business. Here is how we do it:
Create personas
We flesh out comprehensive buyer personas by uploading past client data into the platform.
Identify keywords
We identify top-performing keywords relative to the type of customer you are looking for.
Transparent tracking
We set up tracking via pixels placed on your site so we can track your ROI in real-time.
Leverage AI
AI lets us know when and what to tune into. Our technology detects relevant conversations via smartphones, smart TVs, and other devices.
Analyze consumer behaviors
As qualified consumers are detected, a 360 analysis via AI on past behaviors of each potential customer occurs.
Create a list
With the audience information gathered, an encrypted evergreen audience list is created.
Target, retarget, transcend
We use the list to target your advertising via many different platforms and tactics, including:
Streaming TV/OTT
Streaming Audio
Display Ads
Paid Social Media
YouTube
Google/Bing Search (PPC)
Don't leave money on the table-claim your territory now!
Our technology provides a process that makes it possible to know exactly when someone is in the market for your services in real time, giving you a significant advantage over your competitors. Territories are available in 10 or 20-mile radiuses, but customizations can be made for regional, state, and national coverage.
Active Listening FAQs:
Is Active Listening Legal?
We know what you're thinking. Is this even legal? The short answer is: yes. It is legal for phones and devices to listen to you. When a new app download or update prompts consumers with a multi-page terms of use agreement somewhere in the fine print, Active Listening is often included.
How Does Active Listening Technology work?
Our technology is on the cutting edge of voice data processing. We can identify buyers based on casual conversations in real time. It may seem like black magic, but it's not-it's AI. The growing ability to access microphone data on devices like smartphones and tablets enables our technology partner to aggregate and analyze voice data during pre-purchase conversations.
The result? Advertising efficiency and timing taken to a new level. We set specific keywords relevant to your product and service so we know who needs you, why they do, and where we can target them. With this unprecedented understanding of consumer behavior, we can deliver personalized ads that make your target audience think: wow, they must be a mind reader.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

Comments

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1 1st?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:02 AM (9yWhg)

2 "You know what's terrible? River rafting."

"Funny...I just got an ad on Facebook for river rafting."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:02 AM (GBKbO)

3 Yesss!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:02 AM (9yWhg)

4 What a bunch of dicks!

Posted by: Obvious Joke at January 05, 2024 11:03 AM (JCZqz)

5 So, Faraday Cages...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2024 11:03 AM (zZu0s)

6 Also, T-Mobile's new ToS says they will report you to the Feds if your texts contain "Hate Speech".

Posted by: XTC at January 05, 2024 11:04 AM (sm6Pk)

7 Yet another data point that Cox is an aptly named company.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 05, 2024 11:05 AM (dZVON)

8 6 Also, T-Mobile's new ToS says they will report you to the Feds if your texts contain "Hate Speech".
Posted by: XTC at January 05, 2024 11:04 AM (sm6Pk)

Nice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2024 11:05 AM (zZu0s)

9 They all do it. If the productive free you’re the product.

Posted by: Montec at January 05, 2024 11:05 AM (bWsRe)

10 I'm no big city lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it's a basic premise of contract law that you can't create a contract around illegal activity.

Eavesdropping is illegal. It doesn't matter if you consent (or were defrauded or coerced into consent) or not. Therefore the entire contract is void.

Or not. What the hell do i know.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2024 11:05 AM (9UlRk)

11 Marketers weren't the primary product for wiretapping services without a warrant. Government was. Count on it.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 05, 2024 11:05 AM (qPw5n)

12 customer, not product. *sighs*

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 05, 2024 11:05 AM (qPw5n)

13 They aren't listening for just ads either.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM (W/lyH)

14 Also, T-Mobile's new ToS says they will report you to the Feds if your texts contain "Hate Speech".

Posted by: XTC at January 05, 2024 11:04 AM (sm6Pk)

Going on your "permanent record".

Posted by: BignJames at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM (AwYPR)

15 Big Brother is listening

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM (fwDg9)

16 Biden Admin Wants To Promote Green Energy By Destroying 4 Hydroelectric Dams

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What have the hydroelectrics done for us lately?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM (FVME7)

17 All of your devices are spying on you. Your cell phones in particular are packed with spyware. It's just a question on if the government feels like paying attention to you.

Oh and definitely get rid of the Amazon Alexa apps. Or...just be comfortable with folks being able to listen to what you say at all times.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM (xcxpd)

18 I wonder if they see my butt pics?

Posted by: Brie Larson at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM (53oGX)

19 Tell us something we don't know. Fuckers should be sued out of business

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM (WF/xn)

20 Commies are paranoid. They know you don't like the shit they are doing. But they do it anyway. They have to know everything about everybody to stomp out whatever the resistance to their fucked up ideas.

Nothing is safe. They are pigs.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 05, 2024 11:08 AM (R4t5M)

21 I wonder if they see my butt pics?
Posted by: Brie Larson

There was a butt in those?

Posted by: Cox at January 05, 2024 11:08 AM (9yWhg)

22 5 So, Faraday Cages...
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2024 11:03 AM (zZu

Faraday phone bags.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2024 11:08 AM (W/lyH)

23 I've been putting off buying some faraday bags for entirely too long. And I know better, too. That's the sad thing.

Posted by: Bert G at January 05, 2024 11:08 AM (VARTN)

24 18 I wonder if they see my butt pics?
Posted by: Brie Larson at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM (53oGX)

They see the pics but not the butt

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 05, 2024 11:09 AM (AN/rm)

25 Ive been getting in the habit of leaving the phone in the other room or in the car when Im out. Just check on it one an hour or so. The less Im around that thing the better...

Posted by: ET at January 05, 2024 11:09 AM (nMVgS)

26 When a new app download or update prompts consumers with a multi-page terms of use agreement somewhere in the fine print, Active Listening is often included.

"We buried the approval in there somewhere!"

Posted by: spindrift at January 05, 2024 11:09 AM (AA8bA)

27 Biden Admin Wants To Promote Green Energy By Destroying 4 Hydroelectric Dams

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What have the hydroelectrics done for us lately?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 05, 2024 11:07 AM

I can recommend a damn or two in China....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 05, 2024 11:10 AM (Wnv9h)

28 Brie Larson

Ya need to enlarge your plank butt first.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 05, 2024 11:10 AM (u82oZ)

29 My wife and I have seen this sort of behavior from our Samsung phones on AT&T. We'll be talking about something, maybe what goes with this or that wine or perhaps what sort of bird we saw.

The first thing that will come up in a "suggestions" app will be what goes with this or that wine. Or a "suggested" link to some avian site.

Turning off this shit is damn near impossible or it make your phone tediously difficult to use for everyday tasks.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 05, 2024 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

30 I have seen this happen a few times: I mention to my wife that I might be thinking about getting a pellet grill, and maybe an hour later I am getting ads for pellet grills on my startup page. Weren't even on the phone, just chatting in the living room.

It's creepy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at January 05, 2024 11:11 AM (xPJvm)

31 Not only does your cell phone track you but there are people who do crimes and photograph themselves while doing them. Oddly, no DA bothers to press charges.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 05, 2024 11:11 AM (LVNnd)

32 "Looking Lonely, Cold, and Homeless" - Disheveled Ex-NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio Spotted

Photo:

http://tinyurl.com/fj25d4e4

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 05, 2024 11:11 AM (FVME7)

33 I have seen this happen a few times: I mention to my wife that I might be thinking about getting a pellet grill, and maybe an hour later I am getting ads for pellet grills on my startup page. Weren't even on the phone, just chatting in the living room.

It's creepy.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at January 05, 2024 11:11 AM (xPJvm)

Shit happens.

Posted by: Traeger at January 05, 2024 11:12 AM (R4t5M)

34 Pretty sure this has happened to me a few times. Either this or there are a hell of a lot of coincidences in the Matrix.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:12 AM (uKeRS)

35 2 "You know what's terrible? River rafting."

"Funny...I just got an ad on Facebook for river rafting."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:02 AM (GBKbO)

I'd raft down a river with Marilyn Monroe, if given the chance.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 05, 2024 11:13 AM (xcxpd)

36 30 I have seen this happen a few times: I mention to my wife that I might be thinking about getting a pellet grill, and maybe an hour later I am getting ads for pellet grills on my startup page. Weren't even on the phone, just chatting in the living room.

It's creepy.
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Have you tried stating you have been thinking about getting a nasty whore who do nasty things and see what happens?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 05, 2024 11:13 AM (LVNnd)

37 I don't remember mentioning toe fungus and yet ...

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 05, 2024 11:13 AM (aD39U)

38 Cell phone spying: We used to play a game when having a group business lunch, of all talking about the same product or item, and then check back later to see how many of us received an ad about it. Usually half or better.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:14 AM (lTGtQ)

39 Cox? Yuck! ...er...

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:14 AM (991eG)

40 -----------------
Have you tried stating you have been thinking about getting a nasty whore who do nasty things and see what happens?
Posted by: Pudinhead

BIAB.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 05, 2024 11:14 AM (R4t5M)

41 Pudinhead

What ads did you get after that?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 05, 2024 11:14 AM (u82oZ)

42 35 I'd raft down a river with Marilyn Monroe, if given the chance.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 05, 2024 11:13 AM (xcxpd)

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In Game Theory, do you go for Marilyn or Jane Russell?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

43 Do not adjust the horizontal.

Do not adjust the vertical.

Big Gender Neutral Sibling will take care of you.

Posted by: Just Lily at January 05, 2024 11:15 AM (+YwOR)

44 G'rump928(c)

Us saying the Leftists are parasites drives ace's ad empire.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 05, 2024 11:15 AM (u82oZ)

45 Singles in my area over 50.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 05, 2024 11:15 AM (R4t5M)

46 Apple told U.S. lawmakers Tuesday that despite privacy concerns, its iPhones do not listen to users without their consent.

That is a bald faced lie.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:15 AM (lTGtQ)

47 It was right there on page 43 in the third service agreement update you agreed to, with your pushing the "I approve" button. We can eavesdrop on everything ... you agreed. (and we have certain rights over your first born child as well, from footnotes on page 7

Posted by: illiniwek at January 05, 2024 11:15 AM (Cus5s)

48 "without their consent"

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Consent = using the phone, ipad, etc.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:16 AM (9cE5Q)

49 The Republican Party would have been better off kicking out the corporatists and keeping the Birchers.

And when I say corporatists, I mean those GOPe who are liberals in every way but carry a Bible with them like an Easter Sunday hat to show everyone how moral they are.
The NeverTrump, the glossy magazine writers, the guest editorials in the NYT, the soft-hand girly men who ran in terror on J6.

That is the largest source of their hatred of Trump-- he's kicked over the cardboard box the corporatists and their whores were using for their 3-card Monty

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 05, 2024 11:16 AM (TzW+Y)

50 In Game Theory, do you go for Marilyn or Jane Russell?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

Neither. Go for the brunette in the corner who cooks well.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 05, 2024 11:16 AM (xrlnV)

51 I won't carry a cell phone. I get made fun of for that pretty regularly. I know four ways to tie a necktie. But Polliwog says I'm a drunk.

Cox was founded by the Dem candidate who ran against Harding. Harding ran a newspaper in Marion Ohio; Cox ran one in Dayton. It takes some of these issues a long time to work themselves out.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 05, 2024 11:16 AM (FCs/J)

52 So within minutes of commenting "Cox Yuck!" I get an add for Transportation Sec'y Buttigieg.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:16 AM (991eG)

53 "Apple told U.S. lawmakers Tuesday that despite privacy concerns, its iPhones do not listen to users without their consent."

And how many users read all the 57 paragraphs of tiny-print boiler-plate in the license agreement that they sign, eh?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 11:16 AM (tkR6S)

54 Holy cow. I was just talking about this with my wife the other day. We were talking about going to a large farm store near us after Christmas to get a new tank de icer and some specialty feeds. At that same time I was using Facebook to keep up with my oldest who was at boy scout camp. I rarely get on Facebook. The only ads I saw on Facebook were for that store and the brand of fees we were talking about. The second time I had friend come out and do some electrical work for us since he's an electrician. He probably spent 3 hours at the house and we talked about the business. After that I saw ads for trades schools and the IBEW. I hate Facebook.

Posted by: Mishdog at January 05, 2024 11:16 AM (jU8BU)

55 Have you tried stating you have been thinking about getting a nasty whore who do nasty things and see what happens?
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 05, 2024 11:13 AM (LVNnd)

Phone tells me Maria is only 4 miles away and wants to "date" me.

Posted by: Isthmus Be My Lucky Day! at January 05, 2024 11:17 AM (V5BDR)

56 Butt plugs. Butt. Plugs Butt plugs

Enjoy your new ads!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:17 AM (uKeRS)

57 I remember exactly the first time this happened to me. I had a phone conversation with my wife about having dinner at Moe’s. Later that day I was looking at Facebook and what did I see? An ad for Moe’s. That freaked me out.

Posted by: Rse at January 05, 2024 11:17 AM (nos7q)

58 57 I remember exactly the first time this happened to me. I had a phone conversation with my wife about having dinner at Moe’s. Later that day I was looking at Facebook and what did I see? An ad for Moe’s. That freaked me out.
Posted by: Rse at January 05, 2024 11:17 AM (nos7q)

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Did it welcome you to Moe's?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:18 AM (GBKbO)

59 Here's a list of cougar whores in my area. Don't recognize any of them.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 05, 2024 11:18 AM (R4t5M)

60 56 Butt plugs. Butt. Plugs Butt plugs

Enjoy your new ads!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:17 AM (uKeRS

Bikinis bikinis bikinis.

Not the atoll!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 05, 2024 11:18 AM (xrlnV)

61 This is not surprising - hasn't everyone had an instance where you were, say, discussing someone's upcoming/recent trip to Italy and then within an hour you start getting ads for vacationing in Italy? I've had this with items, too, after discussing baking then I start getting ads for bakeware and baking books.

Sad that this isn't more shocking, but I'm guessing Cox and others have been doing this for years now.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2024 11:18 AM (izj35)

62 I have seen this happen a few times: I mention to my wife that I might be thinking about getting a pellet grill, and maybe an hour later I am getting ads for pellet grills on my startup page. Weren't even on the phone, just chatting in the living room.

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The really fun ones are when you are discussing some obscure tool or service, services that most people who couldn't tell you what a hot water heater is don't ever talk about or even know exists, and ads for the product show up later that day without you searching or the like.

It's been happening for a least a decade. The "algorithms" are good, but they're not that good.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:18 AM (9cE5Q)

63 Hydro power is the cleanest power there is. It’s endless and pollution free and efficient.

But the left wants to destroy it because a fish may be inconvenienced.

Posted by: Montec at January 05, 2024 11:18 AM (YofvK)

64 The media wants understanding for the tranny school shooter.

http://tinyurl.com/2azpyndk

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 05, 2024 11:19 AM (FVME7)

65 Congress needs to subpoena some tech and media executives to explain why Cox media is gaining access to information obtained from private conversations and then put them up against the wall.

I mean, that's what totalitarian fascists do, right?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:19 AM (CsUN+)

66 "Transparent tracking

We set up tracking via pixels placed on your site so we can track your ROI in real-time."

I find this interesting. It means Cox *also* knows way more about the advertisers than they probably should as well. If they aren't already government controlled it won't be long until they are. No way one of the three-letter agencies doesn't take advantage of all that info.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 05, 2024 11:19 AM (nC+QA)

67 Oh and definitely get rid of the Amazon Alexa apps. Or...just be comfortable with folks being able to listen to what you say at all times.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

And get rid of your Samsung television, all models now come with listening devices you cannot turn off. Perhaps other brands as well. Also avoid any 'smart' appliances

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:19 AM (lTGtQ)

68 AlaBAMA

A wise man. You eat 3 meals or so a day. Less if you are an IMF type.

After the first day of marriage, it is rare to conduct spousal maintenance 3 times a day.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (u82oZ)

69 61 This is not surprising - hasn't everyone had an instance where you were, say, discussing someone's upcoming/recent trip to Italy and then within an hour you start getting ads for vacationing in Italy? I've had this with items, too, after discussing baking then I start getting ads for bakeware and baking books.

Sad that this isn't more shocking, but I'm guessing Cox and others have been doing this for years now.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2024 11:18 AM (izj35)

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The ads I get are hilariously all wrong. YouTube is just generic stuff and seems to be the cheapest ads bought on particular channels instead of anything directed at me. Google ads are, at best, recent Amazon searches.

It may help that I don't have any social media aps on my phone, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (GBKbO)

70 I want to sincerely apologize to the Horde. I'm the one who mentioned toenail fungus online and now we all have to suffer for it.

Posted by: Formerly Fun Guy at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (V5BDR)

71 They all do it. If the productive free you’re the product.
Posted by: Montec

But it's not. I want my $1200 back for their Smartphone then.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (GIBR7)

72 Just saw the vid of Vivek interview with NBC. This was after his WaPo journolist encounter.

Holy Smokes!

She was having a meltdown, almost yelling over him as he was trying to answer her questions.

Just Wow.

Posted by: WisRich at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (G0vdT)

73 I'd raft down a river with Marilyn Monroe

That will get you an ad for Mitchum deodorant.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (FCs/J)

74 Have you tried stating you have been thinking about getting a nasty whore who do nasty things and see what happens?
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 05, 2024 11:13 AM (LVNnd)

Phone tells me Maria is only 4 miles away and wants to "date" me.

Well, unless it specifies that she's a horny MILF, I wouldn't fall for it.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

75 I want to sincerely apologize to the Horde. I'm the one who mentioned toenail fungus online and now we all have to suffer for it.
Posted by: Formerly Fun Guy

Taint nothing.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (GIBR7)

76 I've told this story before, but a good friend of mine worked for a state AG and they were involved in a lawsuit regarding Google

The lawyers involved in the case would not allow phones in the conference room whenever they had discussions in their own offices about the Google case because they felt that Google could listen in. These are not tin foil hat crazies, just from what they uncovered in their lawsuit, they felt it was a real possibility.

I dont care what these companies say, we are being monitored. Just too many coincidences.

The sad part is, I think most people don't even care.

Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 11:21 AM (qV4tc)

77 @49

>>The Republican Party would have been better off kicking out the corporatists and keeping the Birchers.

The GOP stopped being a legitimate political party sometime in the 30's, they had a revival in the mid 90's that lasted about a decade and crashed and burned sometime in the mid-aughts.

It's a sh*t party that cannot be salvaged and needs to be replaced by any means necessary.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 05, 2024 11:22 AM (rc3Z7)

78
The ads I get are hilariously all wrong.

You aren't interested in toenail fungus?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:22 AM (CsUN+)

79 So the imbecilic media is saying transsexuals are ticking bombs and very dangerous.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 05, 2024 11:22 AM (AN/rm)

80 Don't forget geo fencing, which is sort of an electronic dragnet.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 05, 2024 11:22 AM (MeG8a)

81 78
The ads I get are hilariously all wrong.

You aren't interested in toenail fungus?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:22 AM (CsUN+)

========

Well, except that one.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

82 68 AlaBAMA

A wise man. You eat 3 meals or so a day. Less if you are an IMF type.

After the first day of marriage, it is rare to conduct spousal maintenance 3 times a day.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (u82oZ

I must confess I stole it from a Beautiful Mind wherein the father of game theory explained how to improve said odds.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (xrlnV)

83 So that explains those new ads for "hookers and blow" after reading AoS comments out loud?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (SKGR3)

84 Just saw the vid of Vivek interview with NBC. This was after his WaPo journolist encounter.

Link? That should be fun.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

85 I get the oddest ads on YouTube. First off about 1/4 are in Spanish even though I speak no Spanish. And then random shit like ads for restaurant management services or my favorite, some obscure nursing school. I think I broke the algorithm.

Posted by: Montec at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (YofvK)

86 @70 I want to sincerely apologize to the Horde.

I'm not holding this against you. I've read the confessionals on the ONT. There is nothing that has not been called down.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (FCs/J)

87 Turning off this shit is damn near impossible or it make your phone tediously difficult to use for everyday tasks.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 05, 2024 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

Yes. Every time Inspector has to do anything with my phone he asks "*Why* is *everything* shut off!?" I'm sure it isn't accidental that opting out of surveillance makes the phone much less convenient to use.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (nC+QA)

88 @72

>>Just Wow.

Well yeah, they are not reporters, they are simply Donk/leftist apparatchik's masquerading as "journalists."

There was a point I thought her head was going to explode Scanners Style.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (rc3Z7)

89 So, Faraday Cages...
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Faraday phone bags.
Posted by: Diogenes

I have one of those that my company cell phone lives in when I'm not actually charging time to the company. I work from home, and they do NOT have my permission to lurk

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (5BP4B)

90 Story from more than a few years ago about a prof making an example in class of needing a jeep to go on a safari in Africa. Soon after that she started getting advertisements from Jeep and for trips to Africa.

This is NOT new, and has been going on for a LONG time. I suspect that the so-called "Patriot Act" was a huge boost in these efforts.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (ynpvh)

91 I'm not sure their algorithms are quite up to snuff. I mentioned "insurrection" and got an add for Viagra.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:24 AM (991eG)

92 So long as everybody can get their greasy little fingers on a brand new Stanley cup for ladies...no one will care

Posted by: Mishdog at January 05, 2024 11:24 AM (jU8BU)

93 So that explains those new ads for "hookers and blow" after reading AoS comments out loud?

And what the hell is the deal with the otters and anal sex?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:24 AM (CsUN+)

94 The ads I get are hilariously all wrong.

Motherfvcker! I didn't say taint pics!

I said toothpicks!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2024 11:24 AM (GIBR7)

95 >>> Apple told U.S. lawmakers Tuesday that despite privacy concerns, its iPhones do not listen to users without their consent.

Hey Siri...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 05, 2024 11:24 AM (SKGR3)

96 What good is AI if it can’t come up with an inconvenienced fish pun?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (uKeRS)

97 84 Just saw the vid of Vivek interview with NBC. This was after his WaPo journolist encounter.

Link? That should be fun.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

http://tinyurl.com/ybwr6awz

Posted by: WisRich at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (G0vdT)

98 I've got all the toenail fungus I need, and then some.

Don't need any more.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (9yWhg)

99 I'd raft down a river with Marilyn Monroe, if given the chance.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side

River of No Return

http://tinyurl.com/5yhts9ee

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (FVME7)

100 So that explains those new ads for "hookers and blow" after reading AoS comments out loud?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (SKGR3)

2 more ads:
-Bang local whores now!
-Take a tour of our luxurious rehab facility.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (R4t5M)

101 Have you tried stating you have been thinking about getting a nasty whore who do nasty things and see what happens?
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 05, 2024 11:13 AM (LVNnd)

Phone tells me Maria is only 4 miles away and wants to "date" me.

Well, unless it specifies that she's a horny MILF, I wouldn't fall for it.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

Now that I think about it, every time I comment on a Joe Mannix babe, I get requests for hot European babes on LinkedIn.
NTTAWWT

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (c70gW)

102 Actually, I'd believe that Apple doesn't allow listening in - Apple has positioned itself as the tech company that cares about privacy, and blocks trackers from following you from web page to web page on Apple computers, for example.

Android phones, yeah.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 05, 2024 11:26 AM (YAtuc)

103 89 So, Faraday Cages...
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

Faraday phone bags.
Posted by: Diogenes

I have one of those that my company cell phone lives in when I'm not actually charging time to the company. I work from home, and they do NOT have my permission to lurk

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (5BP4B)

More than a decade ago, if I wanted a private conversation, I'd take the battery out of my cell phone (and so would the other parties). Cell phone Mfgs have made that nigh impossible. Was it cost, or was it kowtowing to the Gov't? Hard to tell, but in an age where I now believe the CIA killed President Kennedy (and may have been involved in RFK's death), I tend to bend more on the conspiratorial end of things; it's the Gov't until proven otherwise.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

104 You know you can make a very nice cell phone wallet out of lead curtain liner and be free of being tracked, rite?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 05, 2024 11:26 AM (LVNnd)

105 Story from more than a few years ago about a prof making an example in class of needing a jeep to go on a safari in Africa. Soon after that she started getting advertisements from Jeep and for trips to Africa.

This is NOT new, and has been going on for a LONG time. I suspect that the so-called "Patriot Act" was a huge boost in these efforts.
Posted by: jim

Then Apple seriously needs to fix Siri. Stupid bint can't voice to text a simple sentence without screwing it up.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2024 11:26 AM (GIBR7)

106 >>After that I saw ads for trades schools and the IBEW. I hate Facebook.

I read a while back (over a year ago, so no link handy) that facebook had created an app toolkit. This was people could easily create a new app (streamlined code) that would meet the Apple and Google app store requirements. Seems like a handy toolkit, right? Except buries withing that standardized appcode facebook had included permission to sending all the app's users info. Every app created using this facebook app tooklit is feeding facebook data.

So keep this in mind when people say that because they don't have facebook that facebook isn't tracking them. Oh h#ll no, facebook is mining all sorts of apps and Lord knows how many other online resources, making partnerships with other companies that collect your data to share it, etc.. Think if we truly understood how much facebook and google were tracking we'd start thinking the unib0mber wasn't so crazy about his tech fears. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2024 11:26 AM (izj35)

107 91 I'm not sure their algorithms are quite up to snuff. I mentioned "insurrection" and got an add for Viagra.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:24 AM (991eG)

Insurrection, erection. Same difference to the FIB.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

108 So if I don't use Cox's cell phone service I should be good? I only have a land line with them and of course wifi and cable.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 05, 2024 11:26 AM (DBrN4)

109 Faraday phone bags.
Posted by: Diogenes

Faraday messenger bags for Ace and Garrett.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:27 AM (9yWhg)

110 109 Faraday phone bags.
Posted by: Diogenes

Faraday messenger bags for Ace and Garrett.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:27 AM (9yWhg)

========

I think they prefer European carryalls.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)

111 >>Hydro power is the cleanest power there is. It’s endless and pollution free and efficient.

But the left wants to destroy it because a fish may be inconvenienced.

It shows you how evil they are.
We could eliminate the impact on Migrating Fish Species with a modest investment in ladders and alternative paths.

But we don't.
...because it is not about the fish and it never was.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:27 AM (BvmRf)

112 More than a decade ago, if I wanted a private conversation, I'd take the battery out of my cell phone (and so would the other parties). Cell phone Mfgs have made that nigh impossible. Was it cost, or was it kowtowing to the Gov't? Hard to tell, but in an age where I now believe the CIA killed President Kennedy (and may have been involved in RFK's death), I tend to bend more on the conspiratorial end of things; it's the Gov't until proven otherwise.
Posted by: jim

Since all the conspiracy theories have come true, we are no longer called conspiracy theorists.

We are now called Spoiler Alertists.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (GIBR7)

113 The yuutes don’t care about this. Their entire lives are online and open to the world.

Posted by: Montec at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (YofvK)

114 Apple told U.S. lawmakers Tuesday that despite privacy concerns, its iPhones do not listen to users without their consent.

I suppose if "their" refers to Apple, that statement is not a lie.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (lTGtQ)

115 How the hell is a fish going to use a ladder?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (uKeRS)

116 Whenever I bring this obvious thing up with people, they think I'm being paranoid.

And yet, here we are.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (OUMaO)

117 Yea Siri is off on my phone. Not sure if that even helps but I'll make it as hard on them as I can.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (SzI2j)

118 Faraday phone bags.
Posted by: Diogenes

Faraday messenger bags for Ace and Garrett.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:27 AM (9yWhg)

========

I think they prefer European carryalls.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

With Bluetooth butt plugs?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (GIBR7)

119 >>Faraday messenger bags for Ace and Garrett.

Don't lump in with that queerbait and his fashion choices!

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (BvmRf)

120 100 So that explains those new ads for "hookers and blow" after reading AoS comments out loud?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (SKGR3)

2 more ads:
-Bang local whores now!
-Take a tour of our luxurious rehab facility.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (R4t5M)

-get to know Hunter Biden personally

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (eYoxG)

121 18 I wonder if they see my butt pics?
Posted by: Brie Larson

Still searching for evidence...

Posted by: James-Webb Telescope at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (JCZqz)

122 Now that I think about it, every time I comment on a Joe Mannix babe, I get requests for hot European babes on LinkedIn.
NTTAWWT
Posted by: Diogenes

We can only imagine what kinds of ads Mannix himself gets.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:29 AM (9yWhg)

123 I tend to believe Apple here but not for the reasons you might think, it's not that they don't want to record live conversations but that their tech for this is pure fucking ass garbage.

It's basically Siri trying to listen in on anything you say and getting 90% of it wrong. Useless not only for us but for them as well.

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - National Divorce NOW at January 05, 2024 11:29 AM (VTu1l)

124 For those of y'all wondering, no, garrett ain't goofing...this time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_ladder

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at January 05, 2024 11:30 AM (OUMaO)

125 I need to start talking about a Beneli M4 for half price.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:30 AM (uKeRS)

126 I'm still amazed there hasn't been a lawsuit from privacy concerns at doctors offices, boardrooms, depositions, trials, etc.

I'm betting no one has standing.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:30 AM (9cE5Q)

127 I guarantee you somewhere deep in the terms of service you sign with the click of an OK button when setting up your phone is an explicit legal phrase that says you're ok with your phone listening to you.

Thusly making what they said to congress true. Its just that most users don't know they've made that legally binding agreement.

Posted by: FrozenTech at January 05, 2024 11:30 AM (ESZMY)

128 It’s endless and pollution free and efficient.

That sounds just like the incel TVA PR guy in Wild River.
No, any single source of energy that's suddenly pushed ape-shit on everybody is going to do a lot of damage. The towns and forests that end up at the bottom of hydro reservoirs yield up pollution quietly and slowly for centuries. Fine, if you bought in and sold out. Not so pretty if your land was seized.

There is a nice "efficiency" to fascism and Stalinism. Lots of dams.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 05, 2024 11:30 AM (FCs/J)

129 Actually, I'd believe that Apple doesn't allow listening in - Apple has positioned itself as the tech company that cares about privacy, and blocks trackers from following you from web page to web page on Apple computers, for example.

Android phones, yeah.

Posted by: The ARC of History!

The game I referenced above included both Android and Apple phones, and both systems produced ads based on the conversations.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:30 AM (lTGtQ)

130 How the hell is a fish going to use a ladder?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (uKeRS)

First, he gets off his bicycle ...

Posted by: spindrift at January 05, 2024 11:31 AM (AA8bA)

131 Speaking of LinkedIn, that place gets more retarded by the day. Nothing but endless hot takes by “thought leaders” and retarded CEOs.

Posted by: Montec at January 05, 2024 11:31 AM (YofvK)

132 "They all do it"

Doesn't make it right.
How do you justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior and claim any moral high ground?

I'm sick of the "everyone does it" excuse for being amoral.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 05, 2024 11:31 AM (ZbASP)

133 They kited a small rally for Biden this morning. Jeebus, I hate Manhattan.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 05, 2024 11:31 AM (LVNnd)

134 123 It's basically Siri trying to listen in on anything you say and getting 90% of it wrong. Useless not only for us but for them as well.
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - National Divorce NOW at January 05, 2024 11:29 AM (VTu1l)

========

It came out over the last couple of years that Amazon was losing billions of dollars on Alexa because it was a massive data mining operation that took a lot of processing power and led to little to now actual economic benefits.

I really get the sense that data scientists are in love with getting data, no matter what, and then getting terrible results that are statistically significant but ultimately useless. My dad, a world-renown statistician and experimental designer, has similar opinions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:31 AM (GBKbO)

135 >>For those of y'all wondering, no, garrett ain't goofing...this time.

I am not.

You want to have an impact on Migratory Fish?
Nullify the treaties with Natives for their industrial harvesting under subsistence rules.
That would be the single biggest benefit you could achieve with absolutely no overhead costs.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:32 AM (BvmRf)

136 Whatever evil you think Big Tech is up to is too tame.

Recall the comment the other day from an alleged insider at FB, alerting that FB is using AI to build a replica of you. Perfectly mimicking your posting patterns, style, topics tone, etc.
To the point that no one will be able to tell it wasn't you.

I pointed out it allows them to keep you "active" and while you're secretly locked up.

But there's another use-- the same Big Tech that censored free speech with no qualms?
They will not hesitate to insert "hate speech" into your feed upon the mention by their assigned Our Democracy Kommissar that you are a "bad person."

How are you going to prove you didn't drop a N-bomb rant and threaten to shoot Dear President Harris?

Get off social media.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 05, 2024 11:32 AM (TzW+Y)

137 And besides just tracking us for commercial ad reasons, BigGov also tracks everything.

It used to be BigGov had too much data, so they lost things they could have caught. But with more AI and faster computing, they can ferret out more detail.

Question is whether they are looking for China spies/invaders, or are they concentrating on listing and tracking patriotic Americans that might resist "Deepstate's" overthrow of the republic.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 05, 2024 11:32 AM (Cus5s)

138 Link? That should be fun.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

http://tinyurl.com/ybwr6awz

When will these pinheads learn? Taking on a man who is manifestly much, much smarter than you is a mistake, no matter how many "gotcha" questions you have on your little clipboard.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:32 AM (CsUN+)

139 "10 I'm no big city lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it's a basic premise of contract law that you can't create a contract around illegal activity.

Eavesdropping is illegal. It doesn't matter if you consent (or were defrauded or coerced into consent) or not. Therefore the entire contract is void."

I’m no big city lawyer either but that’s my understanding as well. For instance your landlord can’t write a lease stipulating that if you’re late for rent he can sell your daughter to a human trafficker. I’ve always thought that the way to get at Facebook and Google was to challenge these ridiculous ToS contracts that no one but lawyers would begin to understand. Or not. What do I know.

Posted by: Ann UK/FR at January 05, 2024 11:32 AM (8+yzp)

140 SO THAT'S how we get toenail fungus ads!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Archer at January 05, 2024 11:32 AM (gmo/4)

141 So do any of the Horde here have some wisdom about rooting an Android phone so as to delete all the Google apps built into it? I mean, ALL of them. I bought new phone, a Titan Pocket, and I like it quite well, but I have not activated any of the Google shit, and it constantly beeps at me to say shit like "NFA won't work if you don't allow Google Play Services."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 11:32 AM (tkR6S)

142 A few short years ago, listening would have required a small army of listeners/transcribers. Now, with speech-to-text capability (e.g., TV captions), no army is needed.

Oh, Brave New World! What have we created?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 05, 2024 11:33 AM (QaUG6)

143 Speaking of LinkedIn, that place gets more retarded by the day. Nothing but endless hot takes by “thought leaders” and retarded CEOs.

Posted by: Montec

It is crashing both intellectually and financially.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:33 AM (lTGtQ)

144 People on our side love to talk about the benefits of having been a "high trust society." And it IS plausible. At least, until one starts to wonder if that really means "a society of suckers".

Posted by: Eeyore at January 05, 2024 11:33 AM (1bNHn)

145 They should put in a system of tubes for the fish to swim in. Call it a fish internets.

Oh, probably shouldn’t use anything with “nets”. Might trigger the fish.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:33 AM (uKeRS)

146 >>I'm still amazed there hasn't been a lawsuit from privacy concerns at doctors offices, boardrooms, depositions, trials, etc.

You only had Privacy if you were a woman aborting a baby.

That was the ONLY Medical Privacy Law.
Everyone else goes on a list.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:33 AM (BvmRf)

147 Son of a bit...

So that's why I keep getting all these ads for penis shortening surgery.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2024 11:33 AM (ZLI7S)

148 I. Want. You. To. Spit. On it. Do. It. Baby.

Posted by: Hawkings Speak-n-Spell at January 05, 2024 11:34 AM (lGMgw)

149 Use it against them. I can't afford to throw much ace's way, but I visit expensive sites deliberately. Levenger. Scully & Scully. Ferragamo.

They turn up here sometimes, at least on my laptop.

Posted by: Wenda at January 05, 2024 11:34 AM (yKc/K)

150 97 84 Just saw the vid of Vivek interview with NBC. This was after his WaPo journolist encounter.

Link? That should be fun.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

http://tinyurl.com/ybwr6awz

Posted by: WisRich at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (G0vdT

Reporter a leftist beotch.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:34 AM (ynpvh)

151 >>Hydro power is the cleanest power there is. It’s endless and pollution free and efficient.

Quebec, British Columbia, Manitoba, Newfoundland/ Labrador, and Ontario wave hello.

Posted by: old chick at January 05, 2024 11:34 AM (sOete)

152 143 It is crashing both intellectually and financially.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:33 AM (lTGtQ)

========

Controlling the world through algorithms and servers feels like a bad idea from the start, but it seems to have been the operating mandate for our betters for at least a couple of decades.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:34 AM (GBKbO)

153 And if corporations are so brazenly open about using all our smart devices as listening tools, then it stands to reason that their full partners in the Intelligence Community are also doing the same — but not for ad revenue.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 05, 2024 11:34 AM (/QIWP)

154 {97} ... http://tinyurl.com/ybwr6awz

Posted by: WisRich at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (G0vdT)

Too much talking over each other, hurts my ears.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 05, 2024 11:35 AM (qPw5n)

155 Last month, House members Greg Walden, Marsha Blackburn, Gregg Harper and Robert Latta wrote to Apple CEO Tim Cook and Alphabet CEO Larry Page citing their concerns about reports that smartphones are listening to users’ conversations without being triggered with a ‘Hey, Siri,” or ‘Okay, Google.’
++++
It *has* to listen in order to "hear" the trigger.

If you say the trigger phrase and want the machine to respond to you, it has to be able to hear that you said that. In order to hear the trigger, it has to listen for it. To listen for it, it has to listen to everything.

The only way around that is to make the trigger *not* spoken, but touched (or similar). You have to press the "voice command" button to turn on the function. If you don't want to do that - or if it can't do that - then you have no choice but to have it listen all the time.

This is an unsolvable "problem" because it's a logical trap. The key problem is not that this is the reality, but that the purveyors of voice-controlled software do not ever disclose this and have no standards for what they do with non-triggering/non-triggered recordings it makes as a function of its operation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:35 AM (WkNQM)

156 Nullify the treaties with Natives for their industrial harvesting under subsistence rules.
Posted by: garrett

All the treaties with the Injuns should be nullified, the reservations abolished, and Federal recognition of the tribes withdrawn. Same for the Eskimos, Aleuts, and "Native" Hawaiians.

They're all citizens now. Let them put on their big-boy pants and act like it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:35 AM (9yWhg)

157 Cox Media has acknowledged that it is buying information from third parties who are eavesdropping on cell phone conversations. Whatever consent consumers may give phone apps for microphone access when the app is being used should not be a license to bug all conversations in a consumer’s house.
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The best answer - though it sucks if you use these functions - is to not use voice control. Ever. For anything. Do not turn it on in the first place. "Just say no."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (WkNQM)

158 115 How the hell is a fish going to use a ladder?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:28 AM (uKeRS)

Very carefully.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (ynpvh)

159 “Active listening technology”.

That spying dickwads.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (uKeRS)

160 Now that I think about it, every time I comment on a Joe Mannix babe, I get requests for hot European babes on LinkedIn.

I don't doubt it, but now I'm dying to know what happens when you quip about the Fen-Ladies. They must have a service, too.

Most of them are every bit as attractive as Fen lets on they are. I just want to hear what the come-ons sound like.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (FCs/J)

161 157 The best answer - though it sucks if you use these functions - is to not use voice control. Ever. For anything. Do not turn it on in the first place. "Just say no."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (WkNQM)

========

Seems paradoxical.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (GBKbO)

162 We know what you're thinking. Is this even legal? The short answer is: yes. It is legal for phones and devices to listen to you. When a new app download or update prompts consumers with a multi-page terms of use agreement somewhere in the fine print, Active Listening is often included.
++++
How delightfully blunt.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (WkNQM)

163 Later that day I was looking at Facebook and what did I see? An ad for Moe’s.

**********

Those who bought a meal at Moe's also purchased these items:

A meal at Larry's. A meal at Curly's

/Amazon

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (991eG)

164 I'm sorry but anyone who thinks Apple products do not do this because they have "positioned" themselves as the guardians of privacy has not been paying attention. They are exactly as compromised as any Android or Google product. They just charge you more for the privilege.

There are no guardians of our privacy.

You are on your own.

If you use anything at all you are compromised.

Period.

Posted by: Just Lily at January 05, 2024 11:36 AM (+YwOR)

165 123 I tend to believe Apple here but not for the reasons you might think, it's not that they don't want to record live conversations but that their tech for this is pure fucking ass garbage.

It's basically Siri trying to listen in on anything you say and getting 90% of it wrong. Useless not only for us but for them as well.

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - National Divorce NOW at January 05, 2024 11:29 AM (VTu1l)

Siri overheard my son making a joke and of its own volition spoke up saying, "Here are the locations of drug dealers"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

166 There is a Cox High School in Virginia Beach. Cheerleaders have a chant during football games-"Cox, Cox, We want Cox!"

Posted by: Backfield In Motion at January 05, 2024 11:37 AM (V5BDR)

167 Wait until you guys find out that the internet is listening to you too.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2024 11:37 AM (ZLI7S)

168 >>Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:35 AM (9yWhg)

No argument from me.

I wish the Natives would wise up and start using their treaties to benefit their tribes.
Why there aren't Concierge Hospitals and Oil Refineries all over their lands, makes no sense to me.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:37 AM (BvmRf)

169 The towns and forests that end up at the bottom of hydro reservoirs yield up pollution quietly and slowly for centuries. Fine, if you bought in and sold out.

Except for the fact that reservoirs for the big dams in the Pacific Northwest are in treeless areas without towns underwater.

Hint: before the dams controlled flooding on the Columbia, you didn't build towns next to the Columbia, because your town would end up under six feet of water once every ten years or so.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 05, 2024 11:37 AM (YAtuc)

170 28 Brie Larson
Ya need to enlarge your plank butt first.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

All joking aside, Brie isn't a bad looking girl, and there are some nice hindquarters shots of her out there.
http://tinyurl.com/2s479awp

I know we like to mock her, and that Spider-Man/Captain Marvel photo was hilarious, but she can look pretty hot. A bit of a chameleon, as her look can change drastically with hair and clothes.

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at January 05, 2024 11:37 AM (JF8rL)

171 So are they listening to govt employees with security clearances? That could be bad.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (uKeRS)

172 I really get the sense that data scientists are in love with getting data, no matter what, and then getting terrible results that are statistically significant but ultimately useless

****************

Yeah, i think if you really want to get a sense of who is ahead on this look at who is able to do live transcriptions and captioning with amazing accuracy for those who are hearing impaired. When live transcriptions are reliable and almost 100% accurate then you KNOW they're spying on your conversations

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - National Divorce NOW at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (VTu1l)

173 So do any of the Horde here have some wisdom about rooting an Android phone so as to delete all the Google apps built into it? I mean, ALL of them. I bought new phone, a Titan Pocket, and I like it quite well, but I have not activated any of the Google shit, and it constantly beeps at me to say shit like "NFA won't work if you don't allow Google Play Services."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

-

Other side of the same coin.

Lots of manufacturers don't allow the bootloader to be unlocked. Absolutely nothing for them to lose after the sale since the warranty is immediately void, but they prevent it. IIRC manufacturers like Motorola will allow you to request a bootloader unlock code for a couple of their models, but you get the pleasure of waiting a week to receive the automated response providing you with the code for the phone you paid for.

One has to assume your data is worth a LOT more than you having the phone you want.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (9cE5Q)

174 Not only does your cell phone track you but there are people who do crimes and photograph themselves while doing them. Oddly, no DA bothers to press charges.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Well, that's just because they're black.

(Channeling Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar")

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (/QIWP)

175 How many of you know your "it just works" I-phone takes photos of you regularly while you're using it? Sending it to Apple.

Recall the tech person who blocked all communications with Google, and their phone was basically a brick?

To be private in this digital world means you're going to have to pay to have bots insert so much garbage on you that the other bots can't make use of you.
While also paying for bots to filter and block for you so you're not flooded with attacks and solicitations.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (TzW+Y)

176 166 There is a Cox High School in Virginia Beach. Cheerleaders have a chant during football games-"Cox, Cox, We want Cox!"
Posted by: Backfield In Motion at January 05, 2024 11:37 AM (V5BDR)

==========

"It doesn't say Cox, unless I say it tastes like Cox."
-Dewey Cox, promoting his sausages

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (GBKbO)

177 If anyone is listening to me, they are very bored

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (pVWRI)

178 Mister. Trouser. Mouse. Is. Lonely.

Posted by: Hawkings Speak-n-Spell at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (lGMgw)

179 Just saw the vid of Vivek interview with NBC. This was after his WaPo journolist encounter.

Link? That should be fun.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

http://tinyurl.com/ybwr6awz
Posted by: WisRich at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM (G0vdT)

Gotta love the way Vivek handles these lying, ignorant yahoos with microphones.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (nFnyb)

180 Siri overheard my son making a joke and of its own volition spoke up saying, "Here are the locations of drug dealers"...

*************

LOL

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - National Divorce NOW at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (VTu1l)

181 Don't order the cream pie at Moe's!

Posted by: Champeen Pie Thrower at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (V5BDR)

182 So presumably, this is enabled via Cox's own apps. I don't see how Cox could legally listen in via the microphone permissions of non-Cox apps, unless Cox has cross-licensing agreements with them. Apple and Google and Amazon say they themselves do not engage in such cross-licensing, and there is reason to believe that (why give away their own competitive advantage?).

But this does not mean no other app does. Plenty of voice-enabled shit out there that is authorized by the user and then cross-links to other services, the OS provider be damned. Once you say yes, you've said yes.

This is probably spying on Cox customers they enticed with voice control of their cable box and streaming apps.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (WkNQM)

183 151 >>Hydro power is the cleanest power there is. It’s endless and pollution free and efficient.

Quebec, British Columbia, Manitoba, Newfoundland/ Labrador, and Ontario wave hello.

Posted by: old chick at January 05, 2024 11:34 AM (sOete)

Truly solar powered.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

184 I tend to think the real danger is not (yet) normal people, but high profile ones that could be targeted.

I 100% believe Big Tech could figure out say who an advisor to Trump was and start monitoring them. Create a data file that just has everything. Whether that's Facebook, Apple, Google, TikTok, etc. All without a warrant. And just an insider passes that on to the FBI, the Democrat party, NSA, etc.

Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (qV4tc)

185 Shouldn’t be too hard to say if a user says Hey Siri, start recording. Otherwise don’t record.

Posted by: Montec at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (YofvK)

186 This is no surprise to me. Almost 50 years ago, we at Western Electric and Bell Labs were working on having the then, 'dumb' phones, pick up and pass along conversations within the phone's 'hearing'. Everything was already there (microphone, amplification devices, etc.)

Sure, activating the disconnect device turned it all off.

Or did it?

Posted by: Tonypete at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (IaTa3)

187 Actually, I'd believe that Apple doesn't allow listening in - Apple has positioned itself as the tech company that cares about privacy, and blocks trackers from following you from web page to web page on Apple computers, for example.

Android phones, yeah.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 05, 2024 11:26 AM (YAtuc)

Check out some Ewetoob vids by a guy named Rob Braxton. He has no good to say about Apple in that regards.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (tkR6S)

188 How the hell is a fish going to use a ladder?

******

It will just scale it.

Duh!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (991eG)

189 Then Apple seriously needs to fix Siri. Stupid bint can't voice to text a simple sentence without screwing it up.

A true paranoiac would say they want you to shout it several times to make sure they know exactly what you're saying, and more importantly, your level of passion about it.

Me: Alex, what is toenail fungus?
Alexa: I'm sorry, I didn't get that.
Me: Alex, what is toenail fungus?
Alexa: I'm sorry, I didn't get that.
Me: Damnit, ALEXA, WHAT IS TOENAIL FUNGUS???

*Amazon: he really cares about toenail fungus, or he'd have just given up. We'd better send him some ads about it.*

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (CsUN+)

190 >> If anyone is listening to me, they are very bored

They are hearing a lot of Pinball Callouts from my phone:

"Ooooh, Nice Organ!"

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:40 AM (BvmRf)

191 Link? That should be fun.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

http://tinyurl.com/ybwr6awz
Posted by: WisRich at January 05, 2024 11:25 AM

The lady would hardly give him a word, it wasn't an interview but he schooled her. I do like many things he says for sure.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 11:40 AM (SzI2j)

192 If you say the trigger phrase and want the machine to respond to you, it has to be able to hear that you said that. In order to hear the trigger, it has to listen for it. To listen for it, it has to listen to everything.

-

ding ding ding

And once everyone has accepted that, then just move to the advertising element. Same as location tracking. No one thinks twice about that any longer.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:40 AM (9cE5Q)

193 the "everyone does it" excuse for being amoral is overused by those who wake up on the beach with no memory of how they got there, and don't know if that light is an M or a W.

Just saying.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 05, 2024 11:40 AM (FCs/J)

194 184 I tend to think the real danger is not (yet) normal people, but high profile ones that could be targeted.

I 100% believe Big Tech could figure out say who an advisor to Trump was and start monitoring them. Create a data file that just has everything. Whether that's Facebook, Apple, Google, TikTok, etc. All without a warrant. And just an insider passes that on to the FBI, the Democrat party, NSA, etc.
Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (qV4tc)

That is traditionally the threat of espionage. Generally the masses are too much of a data burden, but you can track and blackmail people in positions of leadership.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 05, 2024 11:40 AM (eYoxG)

195 "Eavesdropping is illegal. It doesn't matter if you consent (or were defrauded or coerced into consent) or not. Therefore the entire contract is void."

I’m no big city lawyer either but that’s my understanding as well. For instance your landlord can’t write a lease stipulating that if you’re late for rent he can sell your daughter to a human trafficker. I’ve always thought that the way to get at Facebook and Google was to challenge these ridiculous ToS contracts that no one but lawyers would begin to understand. Or not. What do I know."

The legal argument is that by accepting the terms of service (which you can read and are generally instructed to (the whole "Must scroll through before clicking ok" was designed specifically to make the argument that the terms were presented to you) do so, the recording is not eavesdropping, because they told you they were going to do it.

The fact that you neglected to read said notice, is not their fault.

It may, or may not be a flimsy argument, but it will remain until someone *does* pony up the money to take it to court.

Posted by: FrozenTech at January 05, 2024 11:41 AM (ESZMY)

196 Shouldn’t be too hard to say if a user says Hey Siri, start recording. Otherwise don’t record.
Posted by: Montec at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (YofvK)

The phone has to be listening in order for it to hear you say "Hey Siri". And it has to process what it hears, in order to "know" that you said "hey Siri" and didn't just fart through a kazoo instead.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 11:41 AM (tkR6S)

197 Siri has to be the most useless feature ever. I actually like Apple products for the most part, but it does give me some level of confidence that I am not in danger considering how Siri cannot help with the most basic tasks possible.

Unless they are purposely gimping Siri to give us a false sense of security.

Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 11:41 AM (qV4tc)

198 So do any of the Horde here have some wisdom about rooting an Android phone so as to delete all the Google apps built into it? I mean, ALL of them. I bought new phone, a Titan Pocket, and I like it quite well, but I have not activated any of the Google shit, and it constantly beeps at me to say shit like "NFA won't work if you don't allow Google Play Services."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Uh...Android is a Google joint. They literally do what Microsoft got slapped down for doing back in the day and nobody says boo. So good luck with that.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at January 05, 2024 11:41 AM (OUMaO)

199 The best answer - though it sucks if you use these functions - is to not use voice control. Ever. For anything. Do not turn it on in the first place. "Just say no."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

I wouldn't have any of these things in my house, siri or alexis, or whatever. I cannot imagine people who haven't read 1984 and don't see what is coming.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:41 AM (lTGtQ)

200 I've been off since Quick Hits so some of the stuff may be old news, in which case my apologies.

Starsky & Hutch actor David Soul dies aged 80

HTTPS://t.ly/aP4XY

Posted by: Ciampino - I never understood the advantage of ethnic diversity ... at January 05, 2024 11:42 AM (qfLjt)

201 Shemp did not own a restaurant, but was the bartender at the Black Pussy Cafe at the New Old Lompoc House.

Posted by: Egbert Souse' at January 05, 2024 11:42 AM (V5BDR)

202 OMG I at that ONE thing the doctors said not to! So to counter it I had one teaspoon before bed.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 11:42 AM (SzI2j)

203 I realize Alexa listens and whatever. The benefit is worth a few ads.

Posted by: Montec at January 05, 2024 11:42 AM (YofvK)

204 and didn't just fart through a kazoo instead.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

So, you were at that party too! We should have chatted.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 05, 2024 11:42 AM (IaTa3)

205 In Game Theory, do you go for Marilyn or Jane Russell?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

Real life? Russell all the way. The movie versions...that's tougher. Movie Marilyn is sexier and usually nicer. Jane's seen some shit and it left scars.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 05, 2024 11:42 AM (xcxpd)

206 70
'mentioned toenail fungus ’
I understand toenail fungus can develop into disfiguring toe infections.

Oops! Darn it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 05, 2024 11:43 AM (jbnUc)

207 Link? That should be fun.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

http://tinyurl.com/ybwr6awz

When will these pinheads learn? Taking on a man who is manifestly much, much smarter than you is a mistake, no matter how many "gotcha" questions you have on your little clipboard.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:32 AM (CsUN+)

There's a reason she's using both a clipboard full of questions and an earphone, and-

it ain't because she has a high IQ.

Maybe she should let her Google phone ask questions for her.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 05, 2024 11:43 AM (nFnyb)

208 I've been off since Quick Hits so some of the stuff may be old news, in which case my apologies.

Starsky & Hutch actor David Soul dies aged 80

HTTPS://t.ly/aP4XY
Posted by: Ciampino

Damn. 😢

Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2024 11:43 AM (GIBR7)

209 Truly solar powered.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

I suppose clean and renewable are only in fashion as needed.

Posted by: old chick at January 05, 2024 11:43 AM (sOete)

210 195...

It may, or may not be a flimsy argument, but it will remain until someone *does* pony up the money to take it to court.

Posted by: FrozenTech at January 05, 2024 11:41 AM (ESZMY)

You have to agree to it or don't get the service you want in some cases.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:43 AM (ynpvh)

211 I 100% believe Big Tech could figure out say who an advisor to Trump was and start monitoring them. Create a data file that just has everything. Whether that's Facebook, Apple, Google, TikTok, etc. All without a warrant. And just an insider passes that on to the FBI, the Democrat party, NSA, etc.
Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (qV4tc)
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Big Tech is the far bigger threat. The advertising is creepy and awful and hugely invasive and exposes you to legal liability (I am sure Cox doesn't fight subpoenas), but it is likely not actively dangerous.

Big Tech is. Amazon and Google and Apple may not sell their pre/post-trigger audio streams to third parties for advertising, but you can be damn sure that they analyze them and build a dossier. Should anyone want that dossier - a political or industrial rival, an intelligence agency, etc. - it is certainly available.

The entire thing of, "we don't sell stream analysis to third parties" by the system vendors is entirely beside the point. They have it (they have to, for it to work), and they'll use it for their own purposes and those purposes will be counter to yours.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:44 AM (WkNQM)

212 10 Facts about Toe Fungus

#7 will surprise you

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 05, 2024 11:44 AM (aD39U)

213 I'm out. Wife is awake. have a good day folks.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM (ynpvh)

214 They're all citizens now. Let them put on their big-boy pants and act like it.

Prior to the First World War, almost all American Indians were not American citizens (a few tribes got citizenship by treaty).

You were either a US citizen or a citizen of your tribe (the Sioux Nation for example), and there was a procedure if you wanted to become an American citizen and stop being a citizen of your tribe.

Then in the First World War, Indians weren't subject to the draft, but volunteered in large numbers, and died disproportionally, and there was a move to give them all US citizenship.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM (YAtuc)

215 I really get the sense that data scientists are in love with getting data, no matter what, and then getting terrible results that are statistically significant but ultimately useless. My dad, a world-renown statistician and experimental designer, has similar opinions.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

********

The James Monroe- You have hit the nail on the head.

Analytics: drowning in a sea of data, so much data that it cannot differentiate anything useful.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM (991eG)

216 Get Toenail Fungus by Using this One Weird Trick

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM (BvmRf)

217 I wouldn't have any of these things in my house, siri or alexis, or whatever. I cannot imagine people who haven't read 1984 and don't see what is coming.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
___

I don't understand it either. I was made a "villain" because I made my kids get rid of their Alexa pods. There was a scandal where it was revealed that Amazon was recording some people. Oops, I'm sure it was a one time event.

The problem is, younger generations are so used to being monitored (since they post everything on social media anyway) that they just aren't bothered by it like older people are. I would say an overwhelming majority of people under 35 recite the mantra "I dont care because I'm not doing anything wrong"

Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM (qV4tc)

218 We'll look into this but first, you will ... Mike Johnson

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (eYF7X)

219 Real life? Russell all the way. The movie versions...that's tougher. Movie Marilyn is sexier and usually nicer. Jane's seen some shit and it left scars.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Jane was apparently a devout Christian. Once Robert Mitchum teased her about it, given the movie roles she played. She replied "Christians can have big boobs, too."

Jane Russell was a horrible actress. Great to look at, but a horrible actress.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (9yWhg)

220 This busty brunette in a white dress thinks that we're so far over the "creepy line" that it is no longer visible:
http://tiny.cc/5assvz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (WkNQM)

221 How the hell is a fish going to use a ladder?

******

It will just scale it.

Duh!
Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (991eG)
***

Or put on those tine shoes and trout around it.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (W/lyH)

222 And how many users read all the 57 paragraphs of tiny-print boiler-plate in the license agreement that they sign, eh?

The consent they’re talking about is not in the crazy boiler-plate that everyone has to “agree” to. Any third-party app (and apparently even Apple ones, although obviously they are in a position to bypass it), the first time they try to access the microphone (or location, or camera, or photos, or even permission to track the user across web sites) pops up a message that app companies really hate.

Minesweeper is trying to access your microphone. Approve/Deny

It’s very clear what’s being asked here. It’s gotten so “bad” that many apps now precede their attempt to access protected hardware with an explanation of why they (think they) need it.

Unlike the boilerplate, most apps will continue working just fine when refused access, for the simple reason that they don’t really need it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (EXyHK)

223 Lace wigs revealed to be a miracle cure for toenail fungus!

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (CsUN+)

224 >>This busty brunette in a white dress thinks that we're so far over the "creepy line" that it is no longer visible:
http://tiny.cc/5assvz

Damn!

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (BvmRf)

225 215 The James Monroe- You have hit the nail on the head.

Analytics: drowning in a sea of data, so much data that it cannot differentiate anything useful.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM (991eG)

========

His big thing was more about the quality of the data, though.

There's almost no effort to clean the data. It's just data, so it's good. Better to have 1 million lines of bad data than one hundred thousand lines of good data because cleaning up the data is too hard.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:47 AM (GBKbO)

226 Remember, we've been getting a glimpse of the upper ranks of corporations for the last few years. Lots of FBI and CIA. Remember how they were in crucial "veto" type positions in Facebook? I have no doubt that's how most major companies are set up now, with the understanding that it makes things run smoother if you allow this presence.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:47 AM (9cE5Q)

227 193 the "everyone does it" excuse for being amoral is overused by those who wake up on the beach with no memory of how they got there, and don't know if that light is an M or a W.

Just saying.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver

*snort*

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 05, 2024 11:47 AM (sX0a6)

228 Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM

Same here. My wife ordered one unbeknownst to me. I said no effing way. Back it goes. I won that battle.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 11:47 AM (SzI2j)

229 >>220 This busty brunette in a white dress thinks that we're so far over the "creepy line" that it is no longer visible:
http://tiny.cc/5assvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

I'll be in the rack for awhile.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 05, 2024 11:47 AM (eYF7X)

230 The problem at the consumer end, as I see it, and the simplest, isn't the apps. Or the operating systems. It's the hardware.

There needs to be, built every device with a microphone, a literal, physical ON/OFF switch. Physical. Not a button. Not a menu option. An actual sliding switch that controls the physical wires which connect the microphone to the device.

This should be mandatory for all devices sold that contain any sort of microphone. If Shure can do it, so can Motorola, Apple, LG, Sony, and Samsung.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 05, 2024 11:47 AM (/QIWP)

231 This busty brunette in a white dress thinks that we're so far over the "creepy line" that it is no longer visible:
http://tiny.cc/5assvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (WkNQM)

Large mole on her left arm, would not ba....
Oh.
Wait.
I sneezed on the screen earlier. Not a mole.
Never mind.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2024 11:48 AM (W/lyH)

232 Body hammers, leather hammers, brass hammers, ball peen hammers, upholstery hammers, various blacksmiths hammers, sledge hammers, roofing hammers, claw hammers, assorted mallets and clubs, hammers for children, hammers for the elderly, hammers forged in the heart of a neutron star, love hammers, stone hammers, crab hammers, pneumatic hammers, sexy sex hammers, hammers that keep you awake, hammers that put you to sleep, hammers with fiberglass handles, electric hammers, hammers larger than a man, carnival hammers, hammers too small to be seen by the naked eye, dulcimer hammers, hammers and eggs, steam hammers, water hammers.

Posted by: HAMMERS FOR SALE at January 05, 2024 11:48 AM (jfKqs)

233 220 This busty brunette in a white dress thinks that we're so far over the "creepy line" that it is no longer visible:
http://tiny.cc/5assvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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Fake eyebrows.

2/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:48 AM (GBKbO)

234 All these ads for me and I am only 29!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 11:48 AM (SzI2j)

235 And a related quote I just read last night:

“The dominant subject of our age has become neither reader nor writer but user, a figure conceived as a bundle of needs and impairments—cognitive, physical, emotional. Like a patient or child, the user is a figure to be protected and cared for but also scrutinized and controlled, submitted to research and testing.”—Ellen Lupton, thinking with type

Good book, so far, if you’re interested in the history of type. Not deep, but very comprehensive.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 05, 2024 11:48 AM (EXyHK)

236 Analytics: drowning in a sea of data, so much data that it cannot differentiate anything useful.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM (991eG)
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Knowledge comes from the synthesis of information which comes from analysis of data which comes from the collection of data.

Data on their own have no value, and treating data as truth without the subsequent analysis and synthesis stages (and having to be adequate) is no good. Worse than being misinformed, you'll be malinformed.

Data scientists all too often stop at the "analysis" stage, and then decision-makers never bother converting the information into knowledge. That's hard and requires intelligence. Treat it as knowledge and let the machinery do it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (WkNQM)

237 @169 The literal ad jingle for Grand Coulee was by Pete Seeger and the Almanac Singers. A perfect example of the ape-shit I referenced. American Stalinism, straight up. You just grew up with it, so it seems natural to you.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (FCs/J)

238 One has to assume your data is worth a LOT more than you having the phone you want.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:38 AM (9cE5Q)

Pretty sure I can unlock the bootloader on this one, and as far as data goes, there is none, aside from about a dozen phone numbers in my contact list.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (tkR6S)

239 Ohhhhhh
Tomorrow Sundowner is coming to the birth of freedom to preach against anyone who is against the Marxists takeover
And on Jan 6

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (fwDg9)

240 Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 05, 2024 11:45 AM (YAtuc)

Yes, that's correct. They got citizenship in 1924.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (9yWhg)

241 Body hammers, leather hammers, brass hammers, ball peen hammers, upholstery hammers, various blacksmiths hammers, sledge hammers, roofing hammers, claw hammers, assorted mallets and clubs, hammers for children, hammers for the elderly, hammers forged in the heart of a neutron star, love hammers, stone hammers, crab hammers, pneumatic hammers, sexy sex hammers, hammers that keep you awake, hammers that put you to sleep, hammers with fiberglass handles, electric hammers, hammers larger than a man, carnival hammers, hammers too small to be seen by the naked eye, dulcimer hammers, hammers and eggs, steam hammers, water hammers.
Posted by: HAMMERS FOR SALE

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Dangit Paul, keep your sex stuff off the site.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (9cE5Q)

242 The economic sense of Leftists, in a one act ~~play~~ post:

It seems to me that it would help sales of EVs if there were more charging stations, especially on long stretches of road through farmlands and forests. Why couldn't property owners install (if they don't already have them) outdoor electrical outlets and charge, say, $5 for a measured amount of electricity? My sister-in-law's Prius charges up at my house twice a week, with no increase in my electric bill, so I think something like $5 or whatever would give the property owner a profit and would be attractive to someone like a farmer who might have room at the edge of her property for a car to pull over and charge up.

My husband and I have been investigating EVs and one thing we look for is range of mileage on a charge. If there were ample charging stations, the range would not be so important and might make many people more interested in going electric.

There's money to be made all around. Not only the property owner, but the state taxing authority, as well as some entrepreneuse who develops a self-serve charging station.

What do you all think?

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (JCZqz)

243 So are they listening to govt employees with security clearances? That could be bad.

US embassies have secure areas where you are not allowed to bring your cell phone, but have to leave it outside the secure area.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (YAtuc)

244 I'll be in the rack for awhile.

Posted by: Maj. Healey

Your obsession with Mike Johnson is getting out of hand...or perhaps in hand.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (CsUN+)

245 Big Tech is the far bigger threat. The advertising is creepy and awful and hugely invasive and exposes you to legal liability (I am sure Cox doesn't fight subpoenas), but it is likely not actively dangerous.

Big Tech is. Amazon and Google and Apple may not sell their pre/post-trigger audio streams to third parties for advertising, but you can be damn sure that they analyze them and build a dossier. Should anyone want that dossier - a political or industrial rival, an intelligence agency, etc. - it is certainly available.

The entire thing of, "we don't sell stream analysis to third parties" by the system vendors is entirely beside the point. They have it (they have to, for it to work), and they'll use it for their own purposes and those purposes will be counter to yours.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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I agree, and private companies actually have way more leeway than US government entities.

They can sell this data under the auspices of ad data to foreign entities that are just CIA assets offshore.

When all that IRS data was revealed (like Thiels Roth IRA) it was a private contractor that had the data.

Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (qV4tc)

246 I really get the sense that data scientists are in love with getting data, no matter what, and then getting terrible results that are statistically significant but ultimately useless. My dad, a world-renown statistician and experimental designer, has similar opinions.
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They are being driven by people who believe that with sufficient data you can predict the future.
That's what they are after in their hubris.

The most powerful AI is being used in the trading markets. And they are currently making billions ....

Which is hilarious cause they are blind to the flaws ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (TzW+Y)

247 This busty brunette in a white dress thinks that we're so far over the "creepy line" that it is no longer visible:
http://tiny.cc/5assvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (WkNQM)

Holy schnikes.

I'd invite her on my yacht.

Posted by: spindrift at January 05, 2024 11:50 AM (AA8bA)

248 BTW, has anyone noticed the facial similarity between Mike Johnson and Pierre Poilievre of Canada? It would be awesome to have both of them in power at the same time. It'd be like a pro wrestling tag team.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:50 AM (CsUN+)

249 Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

Posted by: Zombie Zappa at January 05, 2024 11:50 AM (o5xaO)

250 What do you all think?

***************

I think you're a fucking retard, Karen

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - National Divorce NOW at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (VTu1l)

251 188 How the hell is a fish going to use a ladder?

******

It will just scale it.

Duh!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 11:39 AM (991eG)
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In plaice or elsewhere?

Posted by: Ciampino - I use to wear kipper ties at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (qfLjt)

252 ... What do you all think?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (JCZqz)
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I think that you think infrastructure costs are non-trivial or non-existent, and that capacity is magic.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (WkNQM)

253 >>My sister-in-law's Prius charges up at my house twice a week, with no increase in my electric bill

That's not how it works, yo.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (BvmRf)

254 Pretty sure I can unlock the bootloader on this one, and as far as data goes, there is none, aside from about a dozen phone numbers in my contact list.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

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Go look at xdaforums. It's a great resource. I've done it a few times and never bricked anything. Just read and re-read. Lots of folks post videos these days to cross reference, too.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (9cE5Q)

255 Tomorrow Sundowner is coming to the birth of freedom to preach against anyone who is against the Marxists takeover
And on Jan 6
Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM

And so close to Proudboy month?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (SzI2j)

256
I got rid of Alexa even though I liked the convenience, because it was obvious it was listening and analyzing ever dang thing we said.

If you just mentioned something like. "Where are my running shoes?", I'd get running shoes online.

I still got ads but far fewer. And I have Siri on my iPhone. But-

once Apple started talking about their "privacy" dealio, I haven't really gotten any ads that I recognize as having come from recent conversations.

That's not saying they don't analyze speech, but if so, and they probably do, they're much more subtle about it these days.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (nFnyb)

257 252 ... What do you all think?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (JCZqz)
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I think that you think infrastructure costs are non-trivial or non-existent, and that capacity is magic.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (WkNQM)

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Well the building of the gas station didn't cost them anything. Why should the building of car chargers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (GBKbO)

258 This busty brunette in a white dress thinks that we're so far over the "creepy line" that it is no longer visible:
http://tiny.cc/5assvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:46 AM (WkNQM)

She's awfully cute to be running around with a body like that

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 05, 2024 11:52 AM (xcxpd)

259 >>Posted by: Zombie Zappa at January 05, 2024 11:50 AM (o5xaO)

Titties and Beer, Forever...RIP Frank

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:52 AM (BvmRf)

260 >>>an overwhelming majority of people under 35 recite the mantra "I dont care because I'm not doing anything wrong"

Posted by: Blago
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They don't understand that everything they do is wrong to somebody.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 05, 2024 11:52 AM (MHcHY)

261 It used to be that a warrant based on valid suspicion was required for a wiretap by a police agency, but now everyone is wiretapped by private corporations based on checking an electronic box that is required in order to use their service.

We certainly have come a long way.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:52 AM (lTGtQ)

262 They are being driven by people who believe that with sufficient data you can predict the future.
That's what they are after in their hubris.

I don't see the problem.

Posted by: Hari Seldon at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (CsUN+)

263 Someday Joe will get so angry during a speech his head will explode.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (AN/rm)

264 That's not how it works, yo.
Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (BvmRf)
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He probably means, "within the normal range."

What he doesn't say is:
1. Whether he actually knows what his average range is
2. Whether he controls for seasonality
3. What his baseline energy use is

If you are sucking down gobs of juice anyway, adding a Prius a couple of times a week might not move things out their normal band. If you're an energy miser, it definitely will. What's the baseline?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (WkNQM)

265 262 They are being driven by people who believe that with sufficient data you can predict the future.
That's what they are after in their hubris.

I don't see the problem.
Posted by: Hari Seldon at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (CsUN+)

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*waves seductively from the future*
-The Mule

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

266 South Bend, Indiana has a fish ladder.

Dates from way before Mayor Pete.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (9yWhg)

267 Like hanging a old school studio mic from the ceiling in every room in your house, the wires can be easily followed from mic to utility pole outside and down the street they go....

Sure, nobody is listening. Just ignore the obvious mic and talk about whatever.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (SKGR3)

268 It seems to me that it would help sales of EVs if there were more charging stations, especially on long stretches of road through farmlands and forests. Why couldn't property owners install (if they don't already have them) outdoor electrical outlets and charge, say, $5 for a measured amount of electricity?

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So after I get the permits and whatever business license I'm required to have, I can spend $5000 to install and then maintain and insure a remote electrical location annually.

So that four or five people will stop and charge their Prius each year.

Sign me up!

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (9cE5Q)

269 264 If you are sucking down gobs of juice anyway, adding a Prius a couple of times a week might not move things out their normal band. If you're an energy miser, it definitely will. What's the baseline?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM (WkNQM)

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Also, a Prius isn't a Tesla.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)

270 Uh...Android is a Google joint. They literally do what Microsoft got slapped down for doing back in the day and nobody says boo. So good luck with that.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at January 05, 2024 11:41 AM (OUMaO)

Android, as sold by Google is a Google product. But there are are open-source versions of it out there, with all the Google cruft removed. Lineage OS is one such. At its heart Android is a fork of Linux.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 11:54 AM (tkR6S)

271 I guarantee you somewhere deep in the terms of service you sign with the click of an OK button when setting up your phone is an explicit legal phrase that says you're ok with your phone listening to you.

The impenetrable tsunami of legalese that normal people (i.e. non-lawyers) are forced to agree to without any genuine expectation of reading, let alone understanding, is a problem and I have no idea what the solution might be.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 05, 2024 11:54 AM (sNc8Y)

272 Also, a Prius isn't a Tesla.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
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Right. The batteries are a lot smaller (less juice to charge them) because they can be.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:54 AM (WkNQM)

273 Someday Joe will get so angry during a speech his head will explode.

Luckily that would only be a flesh wound.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 11:55 AM (CsUN+)

274 >>He probably means, "within the normal range."

Sure. Drop 'discernible' in there and you are making sense.

But power isn't magically Free because you are charging an EV...'for Gaia!'.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:55 AM (BvmRf)

275 They don't understand that everything they do is wrong to somebody.

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And I think that's part of the "collect all data" push.

You're fine until you are under the microscope. Then there's 17GB of data that can be pulled up and examined for your past indiscretions.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:55 AM (9cE5Q)

276 97 84
Vivek impresses me in how he can keep his cool and insist on his message.
I would have lost my temper with that brainwashed little piggy much earlier.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 05, 2024 11:55 AM (jbnUc)

277 But power isn't magically Free because you are charging an EV...'for Gaia!'.
Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:55 AM (BvmRf)
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No, but don't expect them to realize that.

These people think electricity comes from the outlet and that food comes from the supermarket.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (WkNQM)

278 >>South Bend, Indiana has a fish ladder.

I think Mayp Pete had that replaced with a Corn Chute.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (BvmRf)

279 >>Would not bang.

Yes you would.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (ZLI7S)

280 The impenetrable tsunami of legalese that normal people (i.e. non-lawyers) are forced to agree to without any genuine expectation of reading, let alone understanding, is a problem and I have no idea what the solution might be.
Posted by: Oddbob

I really hate rattled-off disclaimers at the end of radio ads. Makes my head hurt.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (9yWhg)

281 Polliwog, you still around?

Posted by: Teej at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (9jZWY)

282 I am the eyes of Nostrildamus, all your ways are known to me.

Posted by: The Seer at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (V5BDR)

283 South Bend, Indiana has a fish ladder.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

The Extension service manages it.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (IaTa3)

284 264 If you are sucking down gobs of juice anyway, adding a Prius a couple of times a week might not move things out their normal band. If you're an energy miser, it definitely will. What's the baseline?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2024 11:53 AM

Know who else sucks down gobs of juice?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (SzI2j)

285 The National Security Agency hoovers up nearly all electronic communications. Phones (land, cell, sat), radio/wireless, and Internet. Everything is stored. It's likely how the FBI gets most of it's "evidence" for going after J6 protesters.

Just like Google. Search for a phrase that is unique to someone they're interested in, or a place/date that only a few people, including a potential target would have been at on a certain time/day.

It's unavoidable unless you're off grid and interact with nobody, ever.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (Q4IgG)

286 Know who else sucks down gobs of juice?
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (SzI2j)
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ME!

Posted by: The Atomic Tranny Dog Boy at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (WkNQM)

287 Android, as sold by Google is a Google product. But there are are open-source versions of it out there, with all the Google cruft removed. Lineage OS is one such. At its heart Android is a fork of Linux.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

And years from now we're going to be shocked -- shocked! -- that all these alternatives were part of the surveillance, the whole time. I'm that cynical, yes.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (/QIWP)

288 190 "Ooooh, Nice Organ!"
Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:40 AM (BvmRf)

Look Up.
Stop The Spider.

Posted by: XTC at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (sm6Pk)

289 Has Joe's head broken out into sunburn blisters?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (AN/rm)

290 Just saw the vid of Vivek interview with NBC. This was after his WaPo journolist encounter.

The funniest part of the WaPo thing was when he said how she was going to misframe it and then she did exactly what he'd predicted. If journalists had self-awareness they wouldn't be journalists.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (FD5dr)

291 I wonder if Mannix gets for pet-chimp accessories.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (9yWhg)

292 It's unavoidable unless you're off grid and interact with nobody, ever.

Did I call it, or what?

Posted by: Ted Kaczynski at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (CsUN+)

293 >>Look Up.
Stop The Spider.

God Damn, I want a Scared Stiff so fucking badly.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (BvmRf)

294 You're fine until you are under the microscope. Then there's 17GB of data that can be pulled up and examined for your past indiscretions.
Posted by: Nikki Haley

I'm not sure 17GB would cover it. . .

Posted by: Tonypete at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (IaTa3)

295 Is AoS social media?...or anti-social media?

Posted by: BignJames at January 05, 2024 11:58 AM (AwYPR)

296 291 gets *ads*

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:58 AM (9yWhg)

297 Ive been seeing a lot of Teslas on the roads here which pisses me off to no end

These are $70,000 toys that masked fucktwits use to drive 3 blocks from their McMansions to Whole Foods to pick up their tofu

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - National Divorce NOW at January 05, 2024 11:58 AM (VTu1l)

298 That's what I want, to put $10K of equipment at the end of my driveway so some hippie can park there for four hours charging, and smoking weed the whole time.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:58 AM (lTGtQ)

299 As I keep reminding my neighbors, the cellular network operators log EVERYTHING.

Posted by: Halfhand at January 05, 2024 11:58 AM (o5xaO)

300 I know people are reluctant to give up their left/right paradigm, but that doesn't really fit anymore. Even to the extent it was gotten wrong as often as it was, that the arbitrary placing of "fascism" on the right was never accurate, it's even less so now.

This really is an elitist vs. common folk world, and it's a strain to keep suggesting these corporations are overrun with leftists. They're overrun by... use whatever term you want, fascism, classists, elitists, oligarchists... whatever works for you.

But it's not those evil "liberals" or even marxists anymore. This is the new world order, and the old terms don't mean a damn thing now.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2024 11:58 AM (dGCAG)

301 There is a Cox High School in Virginia Beach. Cheerleaders have a chant during football games-"Cox, Cox, We want Cox!"
Posted by: Backfield
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Here, we have two 'Cox Avenues'. They are referred to as 'Long Cox', and 'Short Cox'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 05, 2024 11:59 AM (XeU6L)

302 You're fine until you are under the microscope. Then there's 17GB of data that can be pulled up and examined for your past indiscretions.
Posted by: Nikki Haley

I'm not sure 17GB would cover it. . .
Posted by: Tonypete

That covers 2023.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2024 11:59 AM (GIBR7)

303 The National Security Agency hoovers up nearly all electronic communications. Phones (land, cell, sat), radio/wireless, and Internet. Everything is stored. It's likely how the FBI gets most of it's "evidence" for going after J6 protesters.

That was the premise of the show "Person of Interest". They had to keep pushing it farther out to make it fictional after discovering repeatedly what the government was already doing.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 05, 2024 11:59 AM (FD5dr)

304 The impenetrable tsunami of legalese that normal people (i.e. non-lawyers) are forced to agree to without any genuine expectation of reading, let alone understanding, is a problem and I have no idea what the solution might be.
Posted by: Oddbob

I really hate rattled-off disclaimers at the end of radio ads. Makes my head hurt.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (9yWhg)

Fortunately, there ain't no sanity clause.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 05, 2024 12:00 PM (AiZBA)

305 "When a new app download or update prompts consumers with a multi-page terms of use agreement somewhere in the fine print, Active Listening is often included"

And they say this like it's okay that they included this proviso in the terms of service.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 05, 2024 12:00 PM (ou9hh)

306 I'm not sure the handy tech we have been utilizing is worth the privacy invasion questions.
Those folks living off the gird might have the right idea after all.

Posted by: BrianinTn at January 05, 2024 12:00 PM (9YFSR)

307 >>>Starsky & Hutch actor David Soul dies aged 80

HTTPS://t.ly/aP4XY
Posted by: Ciampino - I never understood the advantage of ethnic diversity ... at January 05, 2024 11:42 AM (qfLjt)

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"Don't give up on me, baby..."

Posted by: Zombie David Soul at January 05, 2024 12:00 PM (JfxgE)

308 There's almost no effort to clean the data. It's just data, so it's good. Better to have 1 million lines of bad data than one hundred thousand lines of good data because cleaning up the data is too hard.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

*********

I agree entirely. Data obsession is a 'thing'.
Even "good" data can overwhelm its interpretation. I think a good example of this is continuous glucose monitoring devices. Many thousand data points each day, encouraging short term interventions (eat a cookie, take a dose of insulin) resulting in oversteering. Not only does this tend to drive the end-user insane, but it is ultimately no more useful than a Hgb A1c level every 3-6 months at monitoring hoow you are doing with your diabetes control.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 12:00 PM (991eG)

309 There needs to be, built every device with a microphone, a literal, physical ON/OFF switch. Physical. Not a button. Not a menu option. An actual sliding switch that controls the physical wires which connect the microphone to the device.

This should be mandatory for all devices sold that contain any sort of microphone. If Shure can do it, so can Motorola, Apple, LG, Sony, and Samsung.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 05, 2024 11:47 AM (/QIWP)

The Pinephone has those switches. For mic, cameras, modem, and wifi too. Unfortunately, I could not make it work even halfway reliably as a phone, and battery life was feeble at best. The available OS software and phone shells just are not up to snuff yet.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (tkR6S)

310 These are $70,000 toys that masked fucktwits use to drive 3 blocks from their McMansions to Whole Foods to pick up their tofu

To be fair, that's the best-case usage scenario for a BEV. Why waste gas doing that shit?

Posted by: Ian S. at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (FD5dr)

311 Here, we have two 'Cox Avenues'. They are referred to as 'Long Cox', and 'Short Cox'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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We also have the French Broad river. So, 'Take long Cox to the French Broad' is just conversation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (XeU6L)

312 293 God Damn, I want a Scared Stiff so fucking badly.
Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (BvmRf)

I am a filthy poor.

But if I wasn't, I'd want Xenon.

Posted by: XTC at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (sm6Pk)

313 Northernlurker hopefully
Stroking out on stage is on my bingo card

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (fwDg9)

314 >>Those folks living off the gird might have the right idea after all.

Their Loins are dangerously exposed.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (BvmRf)

315 So after I get the permits and whatever business license I'm required to have, I can spend $5000 to install and then maintain and insure a remote electrical location annually.

If there were really money to be made, then the power companies would already be installing those outlets, cutting the farmer out of the middle. But they aren't so what does that tell you, Ms. DU Smart Person?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (sNc8Y)

316 Did I call it, or what?
Posted by: Ted Kaczynski at January 05, 2024 11:57 AM (CsUN+)

That's the sad truth, you weren't completely wrong.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (dGCAG)

317 That's what I want, to put $10K of equipment at the end of my driveway so some hippie can park there for four hours charging, and smoking weed the whole time.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

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Great point. Folks are going to park there to smoke, screw, etc.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 12:01 PM (9cE5Q)

318 Even "good" data can overwhelm its interpretation. I think a good example of this is continuous glucose monitoring devices. Many thousand data points each day, encouraging short term interventions (eat a cookie, take a dose of insulin) resulting in oversteering. Not only does this tend to drive the end-user insane, but it is ultimately no more useful than a Hgb A1c level every 3-6 months at monitoring hoow you are doing with your diabetes control.

Interesting. Is that because the signal to noise is low, or that random, expected fluctuations in the measured quantity occur naturally.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 12:02 PM (CsUN+)

319 like a farmer who might have room at the edge of her property

as well as some entrepreneuse who develops a self-serve charging station.

I did laugh at the oh-so-desperate usage of a female pronoun and fake word to describe a female entrepreneur.

The premise is hilarious. You can recharge an EV on a standard outlet, just like you can also dig a canal with a spoon.

Posted by: spindrift at January 05, 2024 12:02 PM (AA8bA)

320 Polliwog, you still around?

Posted by: Teej at January 05, 2024 11:56 AM (9jZWY)

Yes. What's up?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 05, 2024 12:02 PM (nC+QA)

321 And people wonder why I refuse to have a smart phone.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 05, 2024 12:02 PM (ou9hh)

322 Nikki Cox, back in the day...Mmmmmmmmmmm...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 12:02 PM (9yWhg)

323 241 Body hammers, leather hammers, brass hammers, ......

Posted by: HAMMERS FOR SALE

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Dangit Paul, keep your sex stuff off the site.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (9cE5Q)
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Paul forgot the most important: Thor's Hammer.

Posted by: Ciampino - Iif I Had A Hammer at January 05, 2024 12:03 PM (qfLjt)

324 But it's not those evil "liberals" or even marxists anymore. This is the new world order, and the old terms don't mean a damn thing now.
Posted by: BurtTC

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You can't ignore though that the people running these operations are almost uniformly social marxists. Almost exclusively located in the Bay Area.

Isn't it funny that as soon as Twitter/X got a "non-leftist" person in charge, everything changed?

Posted by: Blago at January 05, 2024 12:03 PM (qV4tc)

325
I really hate rattled-off disclaimers at the end of radio ads. Makes my head hurt.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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For *any* pharamceutical.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 05, 2024 12:03 PM (XeU6L)

326 308 I agree entirely. Data obsession is a 'thing'.
Even "good" data can overwhelm its interpretation. I think a good example of this is continuous glucose monitoring devices. Many thousand data points each day, encouraging short term interventions (eat a cookie, take a dose of insulin) resulting in oversteering. Not only does this tend to drive the end-user insane, but it is ultimately no more useful than a Hgb A1c level every 3-6 months at monitoring hoow you are doing with your diabetes control.
Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 12:00 PM (991eG)

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One of my grad level stats professors showed us the huge data set from the Swedish health system that was used to answer some question about a predictive factor for the sex of a child at birth.

Statistically significant for sure, but the actual difference in the data was 50.1 vs. 49.9.

It was meaningless in terms of practical terms, but it met the statistical threshold for significance.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 12:03 PM (GBKbO)

327 >>But if I wasn't, I'd want Xenon.

That's a cool game. But you can get into a Xenon for like $2300.

A Scared Stiff is going to run you 7500+, these days. They didn't make many.
The other 2 Elvira machines have a huge population in comparison.
Though Elvira and the Party Monsters brings a premium, too.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 12:03 PM (BvmRf)

328 *pharmaceutical

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 05, 2024 12:03 PM (XeU6L)

329 I have Spectrum, so I'm safe.

*Horde falls down laughing

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 05, 2024 12:04 PM (MDua2)

330
That's what I want, to put $10K of equipment at the end of my driveway so some hippie can park there for four hours charging, and smoking weed the whole time.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2024 11:58 AM

Like dude, don't harsh my mellow. Weed be so strong 2 hits and it's time to crank up the Grateful Dead for everyone around to trip to. I won't pee on yur lawn, just the beautil flours that look thirsty.

Posted by: Aging Hippie at January 05, 2024 12:04 PM (3qE2b)

331 When I'm not using my phone it goes off and into a faraday envelope. I never say anything that I would not want anyone to hear within earshot of the infernal device.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 05, 2024 12:04 PM (eYF7X)

332 241 Body hammers, leather hammers, brass hammers, ......

Posted by: HAMMERS FOR SALE

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Dangit Paul, keep your sex stuff off the site.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (9cE5Q)
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What about the wife's rolling pin.
Also booze gets you hammered and it gets you the rolling pin.

Posted by: Ciampino - Iif I Had A Hammer. at January 05, 2024 12:04 PM (qfLjt)

333 319 like a farmer who might have room at the edge of her property

as well as some entrepreneuse who develops a self-serve charging station.

I did laugh at the oh-so-desperate usage of a female pronoun and fake word to describe a female entrepreneur.

The premise is hilarious. You can recharge an EV on a standard outlet, just like you can also dig a canal with a spoon.
Posted by: spindrift at January 05, 2024 12:02 PM (AA8bA)
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"entrepreneuse who develops a self-serve charging station" ... for what, her vibrator?

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 05, 2024 12:04 PM (iFTx/)

334 My husband and I have been investigating EVs and one thing we look for is range of mileage on a charge. If there were ample charging stations, the range would not be so important and might make many people more interested in going electric.

There's money to be made all around. Not only the property owner, but the state taxing authority, as well as some entrepreneuse who develops a self-serve charging station.

What do you all think?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 05, 2024 11:49 AM (JCZqz)

If the car had a range of 55 miles, and there were FREE chargers every 45 miles, you'd be deliriously happy, right? Because the time you waste waiting for it to charge is worthless. right?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 12:04 PM (tkR6S)

335 BTW Just glanced at the art thread below. What kind of acid trip was that?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 12:05 PM (SzI2j)

336 @268

>>I can spend $5000 to install and then maintain and insure a remote electrical location

Oh, it's going to cost you far more the 5k to install an EV charging station.

When all is said and done, it's going to be more along the lines of 25k, and you are not going to make it up in volume because how many cars will you be able to practically charge in a 24 hour period? 24?

I mean, how much can you make off of charging 24 cars?

Not much, which is why this entire Rube Goldbergian Monstrosity needs massive taxpayer subsidized inputs.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 05, 2024 12:05 PM (rc3Z7)

337 For those of us capitalists who used to assertively defend corporations from the left, the 21st century takeover of corporate America by executives pushing a hard-left agenda has been disheartening.

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There may have been some valid reason to be a corporate knob slobber if corporations were only concerned about maximizing profits but that valid reason hasn't existed for 30 years at least and never existed for MIC companies.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 05, 2024 12:05 PM (cMXNt)

338 Cannot even get Siri to answer to, "Hey, Stupid Cvnt"...
It responded, That I not nice.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 05, 2024 12:05 PM (SKGR3)

339 I really hate rattled-off disclaimers at the end of radio ads. Makes my head hurt.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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For *any* pharamceutical.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

*pharmaceutical
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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'...may cause fat-finger syndrome'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 05, 2024 12:05 PM (XeU6L)

340 335 BTW Just glanced at the art thread below. What kind of acid trip was that?
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 05, 2024 12:05 PM (SzI2j)

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WWI fucked up some heads, dude.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 12:05 PM (GBKbO)

341 This busty brunette in a white dress thinks that we're so far over the "creepy line" that it is no longer visible:
http://tiny.cc/5assvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix

She looks very Albanian. Lots of similar girls over in the Balkans. In fact, she kind of reminds me of the hot girl in a popular music video I saw playing over their in 2018. It's...weird.
http://tinyurl.com/mtscbfak

Posted by: Military Moron at January 05, 2024 12:06 PM (JF8rL)

342 There may have been some valid reason to be a corporate knob slobber if corporations were only concerned about maximizing profits but that valid reason hasn't existed for 30 years at least and never existed for MIC companies.

Speaking of which, isn't it interesting that Biden and the EU are cutting Zelensky loose exactly at the same time that the Euros have finally agreed to send all of their F-16s to Ukraine and buy brand new F-35s?

Posted by: Ian S. at January 05, 2024 12:06 PM (FD5dr)

343 The National Security Agency hoovers up nearly all electronic communications. Phones (land, cell, sat), radio/wireless, and Internet. Everything is stored. It's likely how the FBI gets most of it's "evidence" for going after J6 protesters.

That was the premise of the show "Person of Interest". They had to keep pushing it farther out to make it fictional after discovering repeatedly what the government was already doing.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 05, 2024 11:59 AM (FD5dr)
***

Hi Bob!!!
Give my regards to all the guys in D Group!

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2024 12:07 PM (W/lyH)

344 To the Cox engineers: You were so worried about if you could do it, you spent no time wondering if you should do it.

Posted by: Zombie Michael Crichton at January 05, 2024 12:07 PM (886E0)

345 Go look at xdaforums. It's a great resource. I've done it a few times and never bricked anything. Just read and re-read. Lots of folks post videos these days to cross reference, too.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 11:51 AM (9cE5Q)

I have been reading there. I will probably wind up rooting it myself, but it's always nice to find someone else who has BTDT.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 12:07 PM (tkR6S)

346 >>She looks very Albanian.

Unless she's an Orphan, I'm out.

Fastest way to get tuned up by a half dozen Albanians wielding baseball bats is to bang an attractive Albanian chick (who is supposed to marry her cousin).

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 12:07 PM (BvmRf)

347 She looks very Albanian.

Hope she's not a Tiranny.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 12:07 PM (9yWhg)

348 Polliwog, did a bit of digging. You were correct on Succoth (Sukkot) being one of the 7 feasts.
I only knew it as Feast of Booths or Tabernacles.

Posted by: Teej at January 05, 2024 12:08 PM (9jZWY)

349 She looks very Albanian. Lots of similar girls over in the Balkans. In fact, she kind of reminds me of the hot girl in a popular music video I saw playing over their in 2018. It's...weird.

I so hate going overseas and seeing their music polluted with rap.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2024 12:08 PM (CsUN+)

350 Faraday bags are a terrible idea. Practice OpSec and hide in plain sight, if you really think you have anything to hide. Making your phone go completely dark intermittently just puts a giant "look closer at me" sign on your back, so that the odds of any human actually listening to you go from subatomic to just very very small.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2024 12:09 PM (9UlRk)

351 Fastest way to get tuned up by a half dozen Albanians wielding baseball bats is to bang an attractive Albanian chick (who is supposed to marry her cousin).
Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 12:07 PM

I have one or two in my parish. Smokin'. And married. And waaay younger than my 29 years.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 05, 2024 12:09 PM (Wnv9h)

352 Who eats a booth?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 12:09 PM (9yWhg)

353 .

NOOD

Dark Brandon Returns: Biden Slurs His Way Through Another Fearmongering Ad Campaign

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 05, 2024 12:09 PM (qPw5n)

354 >>When I'm not using my phone it goes off and into a faraday envelope. I never say anything that I would not want anyone to hear within earshot of the infernal device.

You just did.

The internet is the greatest listening device ever created. If the intel community wanted to create something better they would but they don't need to.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2024 12:09 PM (ZLI7S)

355 "entrepreneuse who develops a self-serve charging station" ... for what, her vibrator?

I glossed over that on first read. Does this person think that charging stations aren't self-serve? What, like New Jersey* or Oregon* where you pull up to a plug and someone comes out to tell you to stay in your car?

* list of non-self-service states may be out of date; it's been a long time since I was in either of those

Posted by: Oddbob at January 05, 2024 12:09 PM (sNc8Y)

356 336 @268

>>I can spend $5000 to install and then maintain and insure a remote electrical location

Oh, it's going to cost you far more the 5k to install an EV charging station.

When all is said and done, it's going to be more along the lines of 25k, and you are not going to make it up in volume because how many cars will you be able to practically charge in a 24 hour period? 24?

I mean, how much can you make off of charging 24 cars?

Not much, which is why this entire Rube Goldbergian Monstrosity needs massive taxpayer subsidized inputs.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 05, 2024 12:05 PM (rc3Z7)
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It costs $5k+ to install a single-user high-power indoor charging station in your home. Running high-power electric cable out in your yard (under the ground?) to a outdoor public station would cost easily 10x that, and it would take forever to get permits, etc. These DU retards seem to think you can just run a dirty old regular extension cord out to the end of your driveway, and that would be the "charging station."

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 05, 2024 12:09 PM (iFTx/)

357 Hope she's not a Tiranny.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2024 12:07 PM (9yWhg)

She would only say so under Durrës.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2024 12:10 PM (9UlRk)

358 331 When I'm not using my phone it goes off and into a faraday envelope. I never say anything that I would not want anyone to hear within earshot of the infernal device.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 05, 2024 12:04 PM (eYF7X)
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If you put it into the envelope but still on, and then dial its number, can you hear it ring? The microwave cavity is supposed to be a Faraday cage but phones ring in there.

Posted by: Ciampino - If I Had A Hammer. at January 05, 2024 12:10 PM (qfLjt)

359 "We could eliminate the impact on Migrating Fish Species with a modest investment in ladders and alternative paths.

But we don't.
...because it is not about the fish and it never was."

We ~have~. I don't think there's a dam in the west without some sort of fish ladder. They've got viewing windows in the ladders so that the fish counters can count the fish as they swim by.

But you're right. It's not about the fish. It's about immiserating everyone and making it harder to ship food (because guess what, those dams also frequently have locks for cargo ships to got through! That's the entire reason Lewiston Idaho, 300 miles inland, gets to call itself a seaport.)

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 05, 2024 12:10 PM (ou9hh)

360 >>Who eats a booth?

I'd eat Lisa Boothe.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 12:10 PM (BvmRf)

361 What do you all think?

The problem is not the availability of chargers, but the usefulness of them. If you have to charge while traveling, the vehicle has already failed.

Ignoring long-term battery unreliability and cost, a battery-powered vehicle isn’t a bad idea for a daily beater. In its ideal form it’s even a great idea: a car that means you never have to leave early to fill up with gas because the batteries have already charged up overnight.

But they’re not priced as daily beaters. Battery-powered vehicles are basically daily beaters at sports car prices. And once you factor in how crazily dangerous and unreliable modern high-capacity battery storage is, there really isn’t much use for them at all.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 05, 2024 12:10 PM (EXyHK)

362 One of my grad level stats professors showed us the huge data set from the Swedish health system that was used to answer some question about a predictive factor for the sex of a child at birth.

Statistically significant for sure, but the actual difference in the data was 50.1 vs. 49.9.

It was meaningless in terms of practical terms, but it met the statistical threshold for significance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 05, 2024 12:03 PM (GBKbO)
***

Colleague of mine was one of the developers of a system called StarLight. It is a 3-D representation of data and old technology now. Boeing used it for awhile to track parts and assemblies. It could show the relationships between the various parts that go into making an airplane. A 777 has about 600,000 individual parts that have to come together. Pretty impressive, and cool looking.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2024 12:10 PM (W/lyH)

363 I have been reading there. I will probably wind up rooting it myself, but it's always nice to find someone else who has BTDT.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

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If it's not giving too much away, what phones are you considering? I was looking at a Moto Pure and a Xiami (sp?) based on a couple of recent articles, but I'm not quite ready to bite the bullet on either one.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 12:11 PM (9cE5Q)

364 Posted by: Teej at January 05, 2024 12:08 PM (9jZWY)

For a while, the church I grew up in used to celebrate that instead of Haloween.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 05, 2024 12:12 PM (nC+QA)

365 Nikki is the new Kamala.

Nikki Haley
@NikkiHaley
We have to deal with the cancer that is mental health.

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And read the room. Today is toenail fungus day.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 05, 2024 12:13 PM (FVME7)

366 >>We ~have~. I don't think there's a dam in the west without some sort of fish ladder. They've got viewing windows in the ladders so that the fish counters can count the fish as they swim by.

Yes. But, they ALL need massive improvements to increase their effectiveness.

My point is that we have ways of mitigating the one concern that is most employed in the Anti-Dam Enviro Weenies.

If it were up to me, we would be impounding water in thousands of Valleys out West and installing small Hydro Projects in all of them.

Posted by: garrett at January 05, 2024 12:13 PM (BvmRf)

367 But they’re not priced as daily beaters. Battery-powered vehicles are basically daily beaters at sports car prices.

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This. There's a reason the buyers are all buying them as toys to drive when they're not using one of their other two or three actual cars. There's very little difference in buying one of them and buying a Corvette.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 12:13 PM (9cE5Q)

368 >>>She's awfully cute to be running around with a body like that

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 05, 2024 11:52 AM (xcxpd)
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Adulterating the body is adulterating the body.
She may as well have a nose ring.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 05, 2024 12:14 PM (MHcHY)

369 A farmer may well have the capacity to do quick charges, but last thing they would want is random people wandering around their property for an hour or two. The few dollars would not be worth the risk.

I have an idea ... develop a system that could use the energy rich fuels we have in the ground, and make engines that could take us much further than electric ... and we could even run the heater or AC as needed.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 05, 2024 12:14 PM (Cus5s)

370 They are being driven by people who believe that with sufficient data you can predict the future.

*******

When the NFL shows the minute-by-minute "probability" of a team's chance at winning a game it is hilariously funny as the probability goes up and down depending on score, field position, time left, and how many pieces of bacon the QB had for breakfast. The trailing team's chances dwindle towards zero as the clock winds down, until the 65 yard Hail Mary pass connects in the end zone and the probability jumps to 100% as the clock hits 0:00. That there is useful data analysis.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2024 12:15 PM (991eG)

371 These DU retards seem to think you can just run a dirty old regular extension cord out to the end of your driveway, and that would be the "charging station."
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 05, 2024 12:09 PM (iFTx/)

"DU retards" is a redundancy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 12:17 PM (tkR6S)

372 They are being driven by people who believe that with sufficient data you can predict the future.

Remember the New York Times election outcome tracker on election night 2016? Went from Hillary 100% to Trump 98% in like an hour.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 05, 2024 12:18 PM (FD5dr)

373 Adulterating the body is adulterating the body.
She may as well have a nose ring.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 05, 2024 12:14 PM (MHcHY)

I can deal with that. She's well built and easy on the eyes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 05, 2024 12:21 PM (xcxpd)

374 I agree entirely. Data obsession is a 'thing'.
Even "good" data can overwhelm its interpretation.. . . . Not only does this tend to drive the end-user insane, but it is ultimately no more useful than a Hgb A1c level every 3-6 months at monitoring hoow you are doing with your diabetes control.
Posted by: Muldoon

In that same vein, what is 'normal'? The average body temp is 98.6F. So? Every individual has his/her own normal. If that conflicts with what is chapter and verse, you get a talking to by every heath care practitioner that you run into.

The competent practitioners know this.

Alas, too damn few of them.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 05, 2024 12:22 PM (IaTa3)

375 If it's not giving too much away, what phones are you considering? I was looking at a Moto Pure and a Xiami (sp?) based on a couple of recent articles, but I'm not quite ready to bite the bullet on either one.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 12:11 PM (9cE5Q)

Well, last summer, I bought a Pinephone. Basic Linus smartphone that shipped with Kde Linux and the Plasma phone shell (i.e. the GUI). I stuck my SIM card in it, and it worked a little, right out of the box. Then I made the mistake of letting it do an auto-update via Wifi from my home internet connection. The effectively bricked it. It would boot, but the Gui was locked on the welcome screen.

I brought it down here, and downloaded Manjaro with the Phosh shell, and got it loaded by using an SD card. Again, it sort of worked, but dropped too many calls. Tried another OS, again no joy.

So I bought a Unihertz Titan Pocket from Amazon. It is similar to an old Blackberry, and has a physical QWERTY keyboard, which I like. Has not dropped calls. If I can shitcan the google spyware, it's a keeper.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2024 12:26 PM (tkR6S)

376 Good choice by them, Polliwog.
So nice that we can Tabernacle with our Lord in spirit now.
But sooo looking forward to being able to face to face.

Posted by: Teej at January 05, 2024 12:28 PM (9jZWY)

377 So I bought a Unihertz Titan Pocket
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oooh, interesting, thanks. I'll try to remember to pester you to see if you've had any luck.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - I bet you've already forgotten about Maui at January 05, 2024 12:36 PM (9cE5Q)

378 How about this, Cox? Jump in the lake. I said that out loud. Wait a minute, I don’t use Cox.

Posted by: Eromero at January 05, 2024 12:44 PM (ZXAG8)

379 "210 195...

It may, or may not be a flimsy argument, but it will remain until someone *does* pony up the money to take it to court.

Posted by: FrozenTech at January 05, 2024 11:41 AM (ESZMY)

You have to agree to it or don't get the service you want in some cases."

In most cases it’s after you’ve purchased the service or product. Again, I wonder if it would hold up in court in a case where your privacy is violated.

Posted by: Ann UK/FR at January 05, 2024 01:40 PM (8+yzp)

380 Here's a creepy one: I have a made up name for X (formerly Twitter) and one day I got an advertisement at my home addressed to that person!

Posted by: AnnaS at January 05, 2024 02:10 PM (FnSbk)

381 Yeah, that whole Pizzagate thing was so wrong! The elites are a bunch of sick pedophiles? What!? Unpossible!

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