THE MORNING RANT: New Year’s Update on Electric Vehicles, the Blood Diamonds of the Climate Cult

Welcome to 2024! Since New Year’s Day one year ago, the “electric vehicle transition” has gone from being a foregone conclusion to being a rolling failure. Auto manufacturers who bought into the hype are looking at a catastrophic financial miscalculation, and typical car drivers have gone from being curious (at best) to being generally negative about purchasing EVs. I believe that the conservative media’s pushback against EVs has had a considerable impact.

In other words, 2023 was a very good year – a year in which we turned opinion against electric vehicles. The people who want a boutique, status-symbol EV can continue to buy Teslas. (But can we please kill off the taxpayer subsidies for Tesla?) For all the rest, let 2024 be the year when legacy automakers throw in the towel on the eco-communist EV experiment.

For today, let’s do our periodic update on the EV Follies…

“Ford cutting 2024 F-150 Lightning production plans by half, suppliers told; The news comes amid an industrywide pullback in EV investment due to slower-than-expected sales growth.” [Automotive News – 12/11/2023]

Ford Motor Co. is dialing back planned output of the electric F-150 Lightning pickup by half next year because of "changing market demand," a steep pullback of a high-profile nameplate the automaker spent most of this year working to build in larger numbers.

Although I’ve enjoyed writing about how emphatically consumers have rejected Ford’s flagship EV, in fairness I should point out that the Ford F150 ~~Conflagration~~ Lightning is a spectacularly awful vehicle. Aside from its tendency to burst into flames, it performs poorly at towing, hauling for distance, and operating in the cold – the basic functionalities that are expected of a pickup truck.

The buried lede in this story isn’t that Ford is cutting weekly production of its electric pickup from 3,200 units per week to 1,600 units per week, rather it’s that Ford’s executives still think there is a market that will absorb 1,600 of these abominations per week.

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An electric vehicle enthusiast at Motor Trend magazine learned just how awful the EV experience can be when he and his wife had to jump in their Ford F150 Lightning and race 600 miles for a family emergency. 600 miles is at best a 10-hour drive for me in my gasoline-powered car, including gas and restroom stops. This unfortunate couple could not reach their destination in one day.

“Our Last Ford F-150 Lightning EV Pickup Road Trip Was a Nightmare” [Motor Trend – 12/22/2023]

The author of this piece points out that although Ford touts a range of 320 miles for the Lightning, it had only twice exceeded 200 miles on a charge.

We were tired and angry. Angry at the situation. Angry at Electrify America for being so historically and uniquely awful at its one job. Angry at the Ford Nav system for sending us to a charging station that, given available data, it could have known was, at best, a huge gamble on a holiday weekend.
We spent 25 minutes charging back up to 64 percent and weighing our options. We could keep pushing at this glacial pace, arriving just before dawn. Or we could find a hotel along the route with a charger, grab a couple hours of sleep, and plan on arriving at sun-up.

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It’s not just Ford that can’t sell its EVs. Half of Buick dealers would rather surrender their franchises than have to sell General Motors’ atrocious EV offerings.

“GM buys out nearly half of its Buick dealers across the country, who opt to not sell EVs” [Detroit Free Press – 12/20/2023]

GM’s awful executives, with little understanding of automobiles or their customers’ preferences, think they can simply dictate what consumers should buy. GM dealers, who actually understand automobiles and what their customers want, know better.

General Motors said nearly half its Buick dealers took buyouts this year rather than invest in selling and servicing electric vehicles as the automaker's brands transition to all electric by 2030.
That means GM will end 2023 with about 1,000 Buick stores nationwide, down 47% from where it started the year.

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General Motors is rolling out an electric version of its popular Chevrolet Blazer sport utility. Well, it’s trying to, but not very successfully.

“2024 Chevy Blazer EV sales are already halted over software issues” [Elektrek – 12/26/2023]

Dozens of potential customers will have to keep waiting.

After opening order requests for the 2024 Blazer EV in early September, Chevy is halting sales less than four months later. Chevy confirmed it was temporarily pausing sales to fix the software quality.

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In England, where the government is trying to mandate that consumers buy EVs, the consumers are refusing to play along, so auto manufacturers are having to adjust.

“Audi hits brakes on EV rollout as enthusiasm wanes” [The Telegraph – 12/18/2023]

Audi will hit the brakes on its rollout of electric car models as consumer enthusiasm wanes in the face of high prices compared to petrol models.
Sales of EVs plummeted by 17% from November last year, according to the statistics published by industry group the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders.

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Consumers are a lot smarter than the maleducated elites who are trying to micromanage our lives and mandate that we buy EVs. Unlike internal combustion (ICE) vehicles, battery powered cars have a short, finite lifespan. This is because of the 5-figure cost to replace its battery in a decade or less. With a value that rapidly approaches $0, EVs depreciate much faster than ICE vehicles, which makes the ownership experience of an EV much higher than that of an ICE car.

Consumers understand that they don’t want to find themselves in the position of trying to sell a 6 or 7-year old EV that is close to worthless, thus they don’t want to put themselves in the position of ever owning a 6 or 7 year old EV, which creates a real problem for those trying to unload 3-year old EVs.

“No one wants to buy used EVs and they’re piling up in weed-infested graveyards” [Fortune – 12/22/2023]

Consumers buying new EVs tend to lease them, leaving the problem of unloading the unwanted off-lease EVs to the manufacturer. Perhaps I’ll take a look someday at how auto manufacturers are reserving for the huge hit they’re going to take on their off-lease EVs, if they’re reserving at all.

Or maybe they’ll just ask for another government bailout in the name of “free enterprise.”

Drivers don’t want to buy used electric vehicles, and that’s undermining the market for new ones, too.
In the $1.2 trillion secondhand market, prices for battery-powered cars are falling faster than for their combustion-engine cousins.
“There isn’t used-car demand for EVs,” said Matt Harrison, Toyota Motor Corp.’s chief operating officer in Europe. “That’s really hurting the cost-of-ownership story.”

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Range anxiety is a way of life for those who find themselves behind the wheel of an EV for anything more than just a short daily commute with a charger waiting at home. Cold weather makes the range situation even worse.

How much worse? How about 30% worse.

“Winter & Cold Weather EV Range” [Recurrent Auto – 11/15/2023]

Do electric cars have less range cold temperatures? Yes, the 18 popular EV models that we analyzed had an average of 70.3% of their range in freezing conditions, but each model performs differently as our chart illustrates.

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Something I’ve considered writing about is how the hassle of certain luxury products serves as a barrier that preserves exclusivity and keeps “lower status” people away, and specifically how that relates to the hassle of the EV experience.

The high-end lifestyle full of servants, attendants, lack of self-parking, etc. has been pure torture to me in my limited exposure to it. When traveling, I don’t want to valet my car or have to call room service for a cup of coffee. I just want to park right outside and be able to get a cup of coffee from an urn in the lobby.

David Blackmon captured exactly that issue in this Substack column of his, explaining why the “luxury” hassle of EVs is such a powerful deterrent for the masses. He specifically focuses on how Tesla will send out a consultant to teach you how to charge your car, whereas most of us don’t want to need training to learn how to fuel up our car.

“So Hard to Understand Why People Won't Buy These EVs - Or is it, Really?” [Energy Transition Absurdities - David Blackmon - 12/19/2023]

When an American goes out to buy a gas-powered car, one thing he or she is not thinking about is ‘how can I know where to get gasoline, and how do I put it into my car so it will run?” Pretty much everyone, especially in America, knows where the gasoline is, how to buy it at the pump or inside the convenience store at the counter, and how to turn on the pump and pump the gas into the tank.

That’s right: Knowing how, when, where and why to charge your Tesla’s battery is such a complicated topic that the carmaker employs actual charging consultants with whom you can schedule appointments to figure it all out.
Consumers in America crave simplicity in their lives.
Anything that makes their lives more complicated than they already are automatically has a strike against their buying it, especially when it’s a luxury item like an EV. The simple fact is that, for the vast majority of consumers, owning an EV makes their lives much more complicated than they already are, and who needs that?

As Mr. Blackmon concludes, “Trust me: No one really wants to have a Tesla charging consultant anywhere in their lives.”

Correct, an EV charging consultant is a prestigious inconvenience for those who seek the exclusivity of the luxury lifestyle. It’s simply a hassle that the rest of us can avoid by not driving an EV.

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Leftist elites have a peculiar tolerance for strip mining and child labor, so long as it’s blessed by the high priests of The Sustainable Organic Church of the Carbon Apocalypse, and so long as it occurs in third world countries where the child laborers are not white.

The Heartland Institute continues to do its excellent work exposing this human rights nightmare.

“EV Industry Built on Child Labor-Fueled Mines” [Heartland Daily News – 12/12/2023]

The invaluable Steve Milloy of Junk Science has a great analogy. ”EVs are like ‘blood diamonds.’”

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Let’s finish up by with a reminder that part of the exclusive, luxury lifestyle as it relates to EVs, is that even the car fires are extra special, requiring much more manpower, danger, and water.

“Alabama firefighters use 36,000 gallons of water to put out 1 Tesla on Christmas” [CBS 42 – Birmingham – 12/26/2023]

Thousands of gallons of water and over 10 rescue organizations were used to put out a single fire from a Tesla vehicle in Alabama on Christmas.
In the Pine Level community, located an hour south of Birmingham, firefighters were called to a traffic accident at 11:14 p.m. Monday night, where a Tesla Model Y was found fully on fire. According to the Pine Level Fire Department, the fire required that the interstate be closed.

The header picture at the top of this post is the subject Tesla.

The department stated that two fire hoses were used, putting out 36,000 gallons of water before the fire had been fully extinguished. According to The Independent, a typical fire from a non-electric vehicle can be put out with less than 500 gallons of water.

I have heard from several firefighters (who I have previously quoted at Ace of Spades) discussing how much they detest electric cars, and how extraordinarily difficult and dangerous they are to extinguish when they catch fire.

“This was a first for Autauga County,” the department stated. “Electric vehicle fires are unusual and present unique challenges and dangers to firefighters.”

If you crave the exclusivity and boutique luxury of an EV, does it bother you that if you’re involved in a wreck, your product choice will compromise the safety of firefighters in a way that gas-powered cars don’t?

Related – this story is just now breaking and unfolding…

“Cargo ship carrying burning lithium-ion batteries reaches Alaska, but kept offshore for safety” [AP – 12/30/2023]

A large cargo ship with a fire in its hold is being kept 2 miles (3.22 kilometers) offshore of an Alaska port as a precaution while efforts are undertaken to extinguish the flames, the U.S. Coast Guard said Saturday.
The ship arrived Friday, but an order preventing the Genius Star XI from going close to shore was issued to “mitigate risks associated with burning lithium-ion batteries or toxic gasses produced by the fire,” Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Mike Salerno said in an email to The Associated Press.

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(h/t David Blackmon – https://blackmon.substack.com)

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I hope you all have a wonderful holiday that is free of hangovers and lithium fires. If black-eyed peas are going to be served at your house or football-watching parties, please feel free to share how they’ll be served. My go-to is simply canned black-eyed peas with pork and jalapenos, but if served straight, I’ll add some Louisiana hot sauce.

Happy New Year!

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 11:00 AM (fwDg9)

2 mentioned

Posted by: Ciampino - Insensitive? at January 01, 2024 11:00 AM (qfLjt)

3 what?

Posted by: Ciampino - I made up that joke in grade school. I did I did at January 01, 2024 11:01 AM (qfLjt)

4 Dutifully called, onto content

Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 11:01 AM (fwDg9)

5 See? WE NEED TO MAKE MORE EVs!!!

Posted by: U.S. auto industry at January 01, 2024 11:03 AM (Q9bls)

6 made Texas Caviar for the party last night.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 11:03 AM (R4t5M)

7 We were tired and angry. Angry at the situation. Angry at Electrify America for being so historically and uniquely awful at its one job

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Let it be noted that only 1% of all the vehicles on the road are EVs.

Imagine the joy when people are having to wait in line for three to five hours to charge.

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:04 AM (/F4Jb)

8 You’re supposed to eat seafood on New Year’s Day. For good luck.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (9yWhg)

9 Don’t worry. When the layoffs and factory closures inevitably happen, the usual suspects will whine about how we don’t make things in this country anymore and will promptly blame free trade, or absolutely anything else other than the stupid decisions of the auto industry.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (Q9bls)

10 We spent 25 minutes charging back up to 64 percent and weighing our options. We could keep pushing at this glacial pace, arriving just before dawn. Or we could find a hotel along the route with a charger, grab a couple hours of sleep, and plan on arriving at sun-up.

Or you could park it in a Walmart parking lot and rent a real car to make the rest of the trip. I guess it wasn't so much of an "emergency" after all, was it?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (sNc8Y)

11 You’re supposed to eat seafood on New Year’s Day. For good luck.

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Regional New Year's meals would be an interesting thread. Quick and easy space-filler, too.

CBD, you around?

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:06 AM (/F4Jb)

12 6 Texas caviar? Is that like the lighthouse in Dallas?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:07 AM (9yWhg)

13
Happy New Year to All, Morons and Ettes Everywhere and In All Alternate Universes, Even That One Where Peanut Butter and Grape Jelly Sandwiches Tastes Like a Pina Colada and Roast Beef Milkshake!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 01, 2024 11:08 AM (nFnyb)

14 You’re supposed to eat seafood on New Year’s Day. For good luck.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (9yWhg)

I'm having butter beans, mixed greens, ham and cornbread.

Posted by: BignJames at January 01, 2024 11:08 AM (AwYPR)

15 Give a man a wood fire and he'll.be warm for hours.
Give a man a lithium battery fire and he'll.be warm for a month

Posted by: Ben Had at January 01, 2024 11:08 AM (I6hse)

16 Pork loin and sauerkraut for me tonight.

Posted by: Tuna at January 01, 2024 11:08 AM (oaGWv)

17 I was in Los Angeles recently and saw a used car dealer that specialized in EVs. The lot was packed to the gills with Teslas.

That is a spectacularly risky business...I'll bet he buys them for so little that his inventory is essentially free.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 01, 2024 11:10 AM (gSZYf)

18 General Motors said nearly half its Buick dealers took buyouts this year rather than invest in selling and servicing electric vehicles as the automaker's brands transition to all electric by 2030.

That means GM will end 2023 with about 1,000 Buick stores nationwide, down 47% from where it started the year.

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The same thing happened at Ford. Half of the dealers are opting out of EVs.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 01, 2024 11:10 AM (PYJJG)

19 I Sing The Body Electric is on The Twilight Zone now.

Posted by: Eromero at January 01, 2024 11:10 AM (NxC5+)

20 EVs: The impractical, ineffective, unworkable solution to an imaginary problem.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:10 AM (FVME7)

21 EV's. You see? You see? EV's are stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 01, 2024 11:10 AM (R/m4+)

22 No black eyed peas here. Never have liked them.

I might make red beans and rice with sausage later though.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 01, 2024 11:10 AM (Q9bls)

23 I understand quite a few car dealerships under all brands are shuttering rather than sell EV's. The media makes it sound as if it was their choice.

I think otherwise. I think it's pre-planned to reduce the availability of traditional ICE vehicles and/or jack the prices up on them so they become nearly unaffordable (like many EV's) to the general public.

If your goal is to move towards the 15 minute city model and control how and where the public is permitted to move one of the things you'd need to do is remove the availability of personal transportation.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 01, 2024 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

24 I reading elsewhere in the infrastructure bill there's a provision that cars will mandated to be installed with spyware that will detect if you're driving drunk in 2026

Which totally wont be abused or utilized to disable your car because your carbon score is too high

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - National Divorce NOW at January 01, 2024 11:11 AM (VTu1l)

25 CBD, you around?

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:06 AM (/F4Jb)

Nope.

[Good idea...send me your region's entry!]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 01, 2024 11:11 AM (gSZYf)

26 That’s really hurting the cost-of-ownership story.

English, MF'er! Do you speak it?!?

Posted by: Jules Winfield at January 01, 2024 11:11 AM (/HDaX)

27 "Blood Diamonds of the Climate Cult"

Too true.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 01, 2024 11:11 AM (RIvkX)

28 Took a road trip when my truck was new, totally filled it might have made that 600 miles in 1 tank, get about 500 now on highway.

Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 11:12 AM (fwDg9)

29
Yeah, battery life in my area of SE PA makes it a no go. Basically, for about six months a year it's too cold. Not very often would it be too hot.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 11:12 AM (3qE2b)

30 We spent 25 minutes charging back up to 64 percent and weighing our options. We could keep pushing at this glacial pace, arriving just before dawn. Or we could find a hotel along the route with a charger, grab a couple hours of sleep, and plan on arriving at sun-up.

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Out: Hobson's choice

In: Idiot's choice

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:13 AM (FVME7)

31 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 01, 2024 11:13 AM (T4tVD)

32 >>Ford Motor Co. is dialing back planned output of the electric F-150 Lightning pickup by half next year because of "changing market demand,"

Fun fact: ana average of 28 cars are stolen from Denver International airport every day - and it's almost exclusively Ford F-150's. NOT the ev ones.
They are immediately transported to Mexico.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 01, 2024 11:13 AM (izj35)

33 19 I Sing The Body Electric is on The Twilight Zone now.
Posted by: Eromero at January 01, 2024 11:10 AM (NxC5+)

My fave? Why, none other than the source material for the opening of Anthrax’s “Intro to Reality”: “Death’s Head Revisited”.

I’m working and have no cable TV anyway so if it is shown I will not see it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 01, 2024 11:14 AM (Q9bls)

34 Last winter we had a weeklong stretch of minus 20 degrees (that's without windchill) days that never approached getting to zero. The local clown show news suggested that EV owners should have them in a heated garage. You know, that's completely better for Earf that way! No effing way would I own one as they are now. Look, if these companies want to make these shit products and people want to buy them, fine by me. But not ONE tax dollar should go to it. These cars don't cover their costs or even close to it. Charging stations etc. California can't even keep the lights on as it is.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:14 AM (4p0Xq)

35 For today, let’s do our periodic update on the EV Follies…

“Ford cutting 2024 F-150 Lightning production plans by half, suppliers told; The news comes amid an industrywide pullback in EV investment due to slower-than-expected sales growth.” [Automotive News – 12/11/2023]

Ford Motor Co. is dialing back planned output of the electric F-150 Lightning pickup by half next year because of "changing market demand,"

1) The sales growth was only slower than expected to those who put ideology ahead of market facts.
2) The "market demand" hasn't changed an iota. It was never there, despite your opinions that it should be.

Posted by: Gin and tonic at January 01, 2024 11:15 AM (CsUN+)

36 Out: Hobson's choice

In: Idiot's choice
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:13 AM

Sofie?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:15 AM (4p0Xq)

37 If I don't speed too much, I can get 500 miles/tank on the highway in my 5,000 lb. SUV. And refilling that tank takes me five minutes at any of the 115,000 gas stations in America.

But only 114,940 of them are available 24/7/365, so I guess that's a problem.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 01, 2024 11:16 AM (gSZYf)

38 You’re supposed to eat seafood on New Year’s Day. For good luck.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (9yWhg)

I’ve also heard black-eyed peas and/or collard green too. had to pass on the herring.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at January 01, 2024 11:16 AM (KwvbG)

39 Hobson’s Choice is a great movie.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:16 AM (9yWhg)

40 Consider many Totalitarian countries if they could have lithium mines would have prisoners mining it. Who gets it out of the ground isn't their concern.

Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 11:16 AM (fwDg9)

41 I don’t think I’d have an EV (even a Tesla, which are supposedly the best of the type) if it was gifted to me. I have this strange aversion to having my garage and house burned to the ground… I suppose it’s only a tiny probability but I’ve heard about cases of spontaneous combustion while charging….

In a sane world these companies would go out of business so I absolutely expect the government will continue to push EVs…. California I believe has outlawed the sale of ICE vehicles after 2028 (or is it 2030)…. Spent the holidays in SoCal and by the eyeball test the number of EVs on the road is still only single digits percentage (5% tops)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 01, 2024 11:17 AM (xT8gx)

42 EVs: The impractical, ineffective, unworkable solution to an imaginary problem.

Bingo.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 01, 2024 11:17 AM (V8he0)

43 Gin and tonic = Archimedes

When the layoffs and factory closures inevitably happen, the usual suspects will whine about how we don’t make things in this country anymore and will promptly blame free trade, or absolutely anything else other than the stupid decisions of the auto industry.

Don't worry, they'll be demanding, and will receive, another taxpayer-funded bailout.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 01, 2024 11:17 AM (CsUN+)

44 Panic!

New York Post
@nypost
Burning scented candles can be hazardous to your health — know and heed the warnings

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:17 AM (FVME7)

45 Excellent round up Buck. Read an article in NY Post in early December that said there had been 103 deaths in NYC fires. Of those 17 deaths were caused by lithium ion batteries from scooters and e-bikes. Dangerous things to keep near the door of your apartment.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 01, 2024 11:18 AM (Dod0N)

46 So Ford is dialing back production of EVs, but they are committed to ending production of ~~ICE~~ normal vehicles.

Their business plan seems to be a long, slow, bankruptcy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 01, 2024 11:18 AM (gSZYf)

47 1) The sales growth was only slower than expected to those who put ideology ahead of market facts.
2) The "market demand" hasn't changed an iota. It was never there, despite your opinions that it should be.

Posted by: Gin and tonic at January 01, 2024 11:15 AM (CsUN+)

Amazing that these people...auto ceos...listen to...Joe Biden.

Posted by: BignJames at January 01, 2024 11:18 AM (AwYPR)

48 Saw a Rivian YouTube review a few years ago from a guy who was a believer, he said he would do another a year later. Like to see how it's doing now.

Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 11:18 AM (fwDg9)

49 Panic!

New York Post
@nypost
Burning scented candles can be hazardous to your health — know and heed the warnings

See especially the Gwyneth Paltrow vag candle.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 01, 2024 11:19 AM (CsUN+)

50 Yeah, battery life in my area of SE PA makes it a no go. Basically, for about six months a year it's too cold. Not very often would it be too hot.

Posted by: Divide by Zero

I was involved in a corporate study of the practicality of EV across North America. Essentially, any area with a temperature range of 50f to 82f is acceptable, or in other words, Southern California and nowhere else.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 01, 2024 11:19 AM (PYJJG)

51 A huge lithium deposit was discovered in Nevada. We've imported hundreds of thousands of illegals and their children.

Coincidence?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 01, 2024 11:19 AM (tT6L1)

52 It's 20 below and you want to run your headlights AND your heater? Greedy bastard! BTW I spoke with a guy who lives here and he said the heaters make it "warmish" at best. Not to mention if you have to use the defrost on the rear windows it drops your range even more. I can't imagine getting stuck in traffic watching your battery drain and the panic if you're going to make it home. Shocker they aren't flying off the lot.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:20 AM (4p0Xq)

53 I've seen video from China showing hundreds of new EVs manufactured for local market being dumped.

The subsidy having been collected and with no willing purchasers, they are a soon-to-be classic of Socialist economic planning.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 01, 2024 11:20 AM (RIvkX)

54 Amazing that these people...auto ceos...listen to...Joe Biden.

I'm firmly of the opinion that the CEOs knew EVs were folly, but they really, REALLY want those government bailouts.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 01, 2024 11:21 AM (CsUN+)

55 A huge lithium deposit was discovered in Nevada. We've imported hundreds of thousands of illegals and their children.

Coincidence?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 01, 2024 11:19 AM

10% for the big guy!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:22 AM (4p0Xq)

56 I made Hoppin' John with black eyed peas yesterday as a side dish to BBQ ribs. I didn't quite realize just how much I'd end up with, so I'm going to be eating black eyed peas for the next several days... hopefully that means I'll have lots of good luck. Or indigestion. Maybe both.

Posted by: PabloD at January 01, 2024 11:22 AM (rgS2D)

57 >>We were tired and angry. Angry at the situation. Angry at Electrify America for being so historically and uniquely awful at its one job

Related - was chatting with a very Lefty co-worker last week about the 200+ whales that have dies on the east coast the past year. What whale deaths, she asked, why haven't I heard anything about this? When I explained that it was the offshore windfarm development (sonar to map the ocean floor disrupting them) she was mystified. How could this happen? Easy, people (like you, which I didn't add) want fossil fuel alternatives AND to save the whales -- but you can't have both, and so they cover it up so that no one experiences cognitive dissonance and subsequent thinking past feel-good slogans.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 01, 2024 11:22 AM (izj35)

58 Their business plan seems to be a long, slow, bankruptcy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 01, 2024 11:18 AM

Found On Road Dead

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:23 AM (4p0Xq)

59 Related - was chatting with a very Lefty co-worker last week about the 200+ whales that have dies on the east coast the past year. What whale deaths, she asked, why haven't I heard anything about this? When I explained that it was the offshore windfarm development (sonar to map the ocean floor disrupting them) she was mystified. How could this happen? Easy, people (like you, which I didn't add) want fossil fuel alternatives AND to save the whales -- but you can't have both, and so they cover it up so that no one experiences cognitive dissonance and subsequent thinking past feel-good slogans.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 01, 2024 11:22 AM (izj35)
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Now, imagine the outcry if oil platforms were being built and a bunch of whales died.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 01, 2024 11:23 AM (tT6L1)

60
I was involved in a corporate study of the practicality of EV across North America. Essentially, any area with a temperature range of 50f to 82f is acceptable, or in other words, Southern California and nowhere else.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 01, 2024 11:19 AM

So basically where Tesla manufactures them. Gee, that Musk guy is really lucky taking such a wild guess like that.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 11:23 AM (3qE2b)

61 The correct way to put out an EV fire is with a careful mix of asbestos, plutonium, dioxins, and aspartame.

Posted by: TikTok E Girl Butthole Salesman at January 01, 2024 11:24 AM (OiKEr)

62 Watching the Rose Parade reminds me of the one time I went in person 5 years ago today. Saw that awesome stealth flyover…… how soon, do you suppose, the military will have all-electric stealth fighters and bombers? They’d work really well! The electromagnetic emissions from the battery would not be an issue I’m sure….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 01, 2024 11:24 AM (xT8gx)

63 We were tired and angry. Angry at the situation. Angry at Electrify America for being so historically and uniquely awful at its one job

You're surprised that lefty "Studies" majors don't know squat about how to make things work in the real world? Then you're just as dumb as they are.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 01, 2024 11:24 AM (CsUN+)

64 The Marxists Church of Global Warming has many followers and those who are allies with Marxism and wouldn't want to upset the apple cart.

Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 11:24 AM (fwDg9)

65 An EV bike burst into flames on a Toronto subway car yesterday, seeing its owner hospitalized; and one NYC subway car recently. [I read one place it was a Pali supporter throwing it.]

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 11:24 AM (2yu8s)

66
Now, imagine the outcry if oil platforms were being built and a bunch of whales died.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 01, 2024 11:23 AM

Graft for Greta!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:25 AM (4p0Xq)

67 [Good idea...send me your region's entry!]

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I suspect we're pretty traditional for the South. Black eyed peas for luck (you'll get a Civil War argument started, too), greens for wealth, and hog jowls because they're delicious. Also I think health. "Jowls" comes across as disgusting, but it's one of the sweetest parts of the pig. Makes sense if you think about it since the cheek isn't used much. You wouldn't think it was disgusting if you were ordering guanciale at some $50/plate Italian restaurant.

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:25 AM (9cE5Q)

68 A genuiney third amendmenty issue.

Detroit Is Asking Residents to House Illegal Aliens

http://tinyurl.com/2cfpypmh

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:26 AM (FVME7)

69 >>Amazing that these people...auto ceos...listen to...Joe Biden.

Oh please, no. There's an almost 100% chance these CEOs are attending Davos and other globalist WEF/Aspen Institute conferences where they all coordinate among other big ceos (Google, Pepsi, whatever) and world leaders from around the globe how they will shape the future of transportation, etc..

Posted by: Lizzy at January 01, 2024 11:26 AM (izj35)

70 Watching the Rose Parade reminds me of the one time I went in person 5 years ago today. Saw that awesome stealth flyover…… how soon, do you suppose, the military will have all-electric stealth fighters and bombers? They’d work really well! The electromagnetic emissions from the battery would not be an issue I’m sure….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 01, 2024 11:24 AM

Long extension cord on a spool?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:26 AM (4p0Xq)

71 Several dozen marks, err, EV fans anxiously await the (re-badged 2023) 2024 Ford Lightnings.

Posted by: Oglebay at January 01, 2024 11:26 AM (ogTiX)

72 Trump Wishes Happy New Year to “Crooked Joe Biden and His Group of Radical Left Misfits & Thugs”

-
Bless his heart.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:27 AM (FVME7)

73 You're surprised that lefty "Studies" majors don't know squat about how to make things work in the real world?

--

Were there "studies" degrees prior to the late 80s/early 90s push to get everyone to ~~cash in student loan checks~~ sorry, "go to college"?

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:27 AM (9cE5Q)

74 A genuiney third amendmenty issue.

Detroit Is Asking Residents to House Illegal Aliens

http://tinyurl.com/2cfpypmh
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:26 AM

LOLGF. Too bad Detoilet bulldozed all those abandoned houses years ago.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:28 AM (4p0Xq)

75
EVs are the road guano that spread like wildfire through many otherwise functioning sectors of the economy.

"You'll grow to LOVE our smoldering piles!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 11:28 AM (xG4kz)

76 Did you know they used to send consultants out to show you how to use your Radar Range? That's right, a consultant for microwaves. My second husband talked about when his previous wife got one and someone came out to show her how to use it.

I hate electric cars. We've perfected ICE vehicles and the government needs to get out of the market place.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 01, 2024 11:28 AM (L8hCM)

77 The correct way to put out an EV fire is with a careful mix of asbestos, plutonium, dioxins, and aspartame.
Posted by: TikTok E Girl Butthole Salesman

I thought you threw global warmists on it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:29 AM (FVME7)

78 Trump Wishes Happy New Year to “Crooked Joe Biden and His Group of Radical Left Misfits & Thugs”

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Bless his heart.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:27 AM (FVME7)

That’s not even close to peak Trump trolling. He coulda done much better…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 01, 2024 11:29 AM (xT8gx)

79 You’re supposed to eat seafood on New Year’s Day. For good luck.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (9yWhg)

I’ve also heard black-eyed peas and/or collard green too. had to pass on the herring.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at January 01, 2024 11:16 AM (KwvbG)

Who keeps punching the peas in the eye ?

Posted by: JT at January 01, 2024 11:29 AM (T4tVD)

80 The correct way to put out an EV fire is with a careful mix of asbestos, plutonium, dioxins, and aspartame.
Posted by: TikTok E Girl Butthole Salesman

I thought you threw global warmists on it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:29 AM

Dead whales from the wind turbines. Winner winner!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 01, 2024 11:30 AM (4p0Xq)

81 75 Didn’t Napoleon have a problem with his smoldering piles at Waterloo?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:30 AM (9yWhg)

82 Why are they using water on electric fires?

Class C fire extinguishers are the ones that are used for electrical fires. These fire extinguishers contain non-conductive agents that do not conduct electricity and can safely extinguish fires involving energized electrical equipment. The most common types of class C fire extinguishers are carbon dioxide (CO2) and dry chemical.

Posted by: anon at January 01, 2024 11:30 AM (RqMDa)

83 Very nice roundup Mr. Throckmorton.

some points.
- I don't get the child labor issue. What do people think those kids would do without cobalt to mine? It's not like s-x slavery where you can try to eliminate the demand. The driver here is the kids need to eat. Take away the cobalt mines and they move on to gleening garbage dumps.
- As an engineer I always figured the fire problem would be easy to solve with some special hardware. I recently saw some Euro country using some kit very close to what I envisioned. No data on how it works but it is basically an open top dumpster that you stick the car in and fill it with water. The shipping problem is harder to solve.
- The DOE has a great comparison between EV and ICE on a special website. They claim EV is up to 100% efficient. (it used to say 101) because they count the regenerative braking as new input. This makes my engineering skin crawl. Anyway, I always thought is it was ripe for public ridicule. Shouldn't be too hard to find with a search. Data comes out of the national labs, so that's an added bonus.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 11:30 AM (94ziK)

84 Re: electric fighter aircraft - I have a mental picture of a fighter hooking up to a converted KC-135 and the HUD says "13% charged: estimated time to 85% = 3 hours."

Posted by: PabloD at January 01, 2024 11:30 AM (rgS2D)

85 51 A huge lithium deposit was discovered in Nevada. We've imported hundreds of thousands of illegals and their children.

Coincidence?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 01, 2024 11:19 AM (tT6L1)

If I'm not mistaken it's on government land. That makes it a Prevailing Wage job site. No need for any illegal labor. People will bend over backwards to land those jobs.
Silver Peak (a functional Lithium mine) is also PW. Loader operators making $60 per hour and shit. Most commute from Vegas and live in shitty trailers during the week.

Posted by: Reforger at January 01, 2024 11:31 AM (kTely)

86
I wonder where raptor chutney sales wound up in the hierarchy of holiday food products' commerce?

Truly, the blessings of greening an economy are many and legendary!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 11:32 AM (xG4kz)

87 Buck, that reminds me:

"Study: All Those EVs Save America 2 Days of Gas per Year"

http://tinyurl.com/ytng2lsq

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:32 AM (9cE5Q)

88 That's KBB, too. That's not some anti-EV Nazi Christian Nationalist site.

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:32 AM (9cE5Q)

89 The most common types of class C fire extinguishers are carbon dioxide (CO2) and dry chemical.

Posted by: anon

So, if you put out a fire, you are contributing to global warming. Brilliant.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 01, 2024 11:33 AM (PYJJG)

90
Your work to cover these boondoggles is a thing of beauty, Buck! Thank you!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 11:33 AM (xG4kz)

91 Oh, and the KBB "two days of gas" counts hybrids.

The EVs alone aren't saving sh*t.

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:34 AM (9cE5Q)

92 I love the fact that I can hop in my 20-year-old ICE, drive for a few hours, fill up the tank in 5 minutes, then drive for a few more hours, and then reach my destination.

I don't have to plan out my "charging breaks." I can pull in at any of a thousand gas stations within a 300 mile radius in order to fill up and then hit the road again.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 01, 2024 11:34 AM (BpYfr)

93 I just did something I never do, I responded to a comment on X. I responded to Adam Kinzinger's comment about Trump not being a Christian by saying I take it for granted that he's praying for Trump.
I doubt he sees it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 01, 2024 11:34 AM (zYoUB)

94 6 Texas caviar? Is that like the lighthouse in Dallas?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

A dip made with black-eye peas, tomatoes, jalapenos, onion, cilantro, and green onions. Quite tasty.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 11:34 AM (R4t5M)

95 Owen Gregorian @OwenGregorian 2h
The first EV with a lithium-free sodium battery hits the road in January

Sodium-ion batteries have lower density but are cheaper and perform better in cold weather.

⁦@ScottAdamsSays⁩ engadget.com/the-first-ev-wi…

The first EV with a lithium-free sodium battery hits the road in January
JAC Motors, a Volkswagen-backed Chinese automaker, unveiled the first mass-produced EV with a sodium-ion battery through its new Yiwei brand. Although sodium-ion battery tech has a lower density than...

engadget.com

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 11:34 AM (2yu8s)

96 "Study: All Those EVs Save America 2 Days of Gas per Year"

http://tinyurl.com/ytng2lsq
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:32 AM (9cE5Q)
----------------

Now there's a study that's easily refuted.

Source of electricity to charge is, what? Wind and Solar you say? Okay, source of power and materials to create wind and solar?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 01, 2024 11:35 AM (tT6L1)

97 >So, if you put out a fire, you are contributing to global warming. Brilliant.

Don't forget fires contribute to global warming too,

Posted by: anon at January 01, 2024 11:35 AM (RqMDa)

98 A dip made with black-eye peas, tomatoes, jalapenos, onion, cilantro, and green onions. Quite tasty.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

--

If you (and others) haven't discovered

Cajun Candy

yet, go find a recipe. Hot and sweet and easy to make, and it's good with almost everything.

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:35 AM (9cE5Q)

99 12 6 Texas caviar? Is that like the lighthouse in Dallas?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:07 AM (9yWhg)
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I wouldn't be surprised if it were made with prairie oysters.

Posted by: Ciampino - Mum called them cockrel eggs at January 01, 2024 11:37 AM (qfLjt)

100 Consumers buying new EVs tend to lease them

If leasing does purchaser still qualify for tax rebate?

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 01, 2024 11:38 AM (ju2Fy)

101 Although sodium-ion battery tech has a lower density

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Wait, so people already don't want 200 mile range with mature lithium tech, but...

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:38 AM (9cE5Q)

102 To be or not to be . . .

Queen of Denmark Abdicates Throne to Make Way for Her Son, Prince Frederik

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:38 AM (FVME7)

103 Consumers buying new EVs tend to lease them

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The dirty secret is that "consumers" aren't buying or leasing the EVs. Government and corporations are. You can't find the numbers, but it's most likely somewhere around 60-75% of total sales.

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 11:39 AM (9cE5Q)

104 in fairness I should point out that the Ford F150 Conflagration Lightning is a spectacularly awful vehicle.

Some roles just seem exceptionally stupid for EVs...and large trucks built for hauling are around the too of that list. I have a normal hybrid car, and the wife (who drives various errands around town) has a Chevy Bolt EV. The Bolt has been great for multiple short trips around town daily, being extremely cheap to charge at home, while the hybrid gives us the ability to drive long distances without all the pain EVs incur.

I'd definitely get an ICE if I were a farmer or contractor that needed a truck, though.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 01, 2024 11:39 AM (ycI94)

105 A dip made with black-eye peas, tomatoes, jalapenos, onion, cilantro, and green onions. Quite tasty.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Ours is similar but includes corn.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 01, 2024 11:39 AM (ju2Fy)

106 I doubt he sees it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 01, 2024 11:34 AM (zYoUB)

And if he sees it I doubt he will understand it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...liberal esthete at January 01, 2024 11:41 AM (gSZYf)

107 For Jan 1 it's not bad outside

Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 11:41 AM (fwDg9)

108 No black eyed peas here. Never have liked them.

I might make red beans and rice with sausage later though.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

Have you tried Purple Hulled peas?
https://juliassimplysouthern.com
/2018/12/southern-purple-hull-peas.html

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 01, 2024 11:42 AM (3CCua)

109 Joe Warmington @joe_warmington
Crazy subway fire. Instead of governments changing names of parks/colleges or cancelling past leaders, maybe in 2024 instead of woke feel-good projects, they can address e-bikes and scooter safety around batteries and how these wheels can terrorize the roads, paths and sidewalks

http://tinyurl.com/y3962r5d
23 seconds; reference to debate about renaming a subway station named for an 18th C. English politician who was anti-slavery but not anti-slavery enough for the Woke.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 11:42 AM (2yu8s)

110 105 Ours is similar but includes corn.

The kernels of knowledge you pick up on this blog.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:42 AM (9yWhg)

111 The semi-tractor EV is a vehicle whose time has come. It takes a 4 ton battery, and has a range of up to 500 miles, and only costs twice what an ICE version does. So, one can buy a tractor that gives up 20% of its payload to batteries, has a range about a quarter of an ICE, and only costs twice as much.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 01, 2024 11:43 AM (PYJJG)

112
Coal cars FTW!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 11:44 AM (xG4kz)

113 Hubby NEC retired from a company mfging fire suppression equipment. His take is they should not use water. Foam, etc to extinguish the blaze.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 01, 2024 11:45 AM (2NHgQ)

114 They tried to use the Vaxx model for car manufacturers.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 11:45 AM (di6C2)

115 A dip made with black-eye peas, tomatoes, jalapenos, onion, cilantro, and green onions. Quite tasty.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Ours is similar but includes corn.
Posted by: olddog in mo at January 01, 2024 11:39 AM (ju2Fy)

We were at a party last night that had this dip or something very similar.

Very tasty way to eat your Minimum Yearly Requirement Luck Peas without

being stuck with a big ole pot of black-eyed peas to either waste or get tired of eating.

I give this the coveted naturalfake Seal of Approval for 2024!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 01, 2024 11:45 AM (nFnyb)

116 113 Hubby NEC retired from a company mfging fire suppression equipment. His take is they should not use water. Foam, etc to extinguish the blaze.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 01, 2024 11:45 AM (2NHgQ)

Sand is always something to at least try for chemical fires.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 11:46 AM (di6C2)

117
I can pull in at any of a thousand gas stations within a 300 mile radius in order to fill up and then hit the road again.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Not for long.

Posted by: Joe's EPA at January 01, 2024 11:46 AM (MoZTd)

118 The DOE has a great comparison between EV and ICE on a special website. They claim EV is up to 100% efficient. (it used to say 101) because they count the regenerative braking as new input. This makes my engineering skin crawl.

How to tell me you have no technical background whatsoever (Studies majors) without telling me you have no technical background whatsoever.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 01, 2024 11:47 AM (CsUN+)

119 Time to finish my second cup of coffee and get started on my day. The 24-hour Morse code marathon is still happening, so I'm going to string up a wire and try to make some contacts. LiFePo batteries are good for ham radio, but I don't want one powering my car (or motorcycle).

Posted by: PabloD at January 01, 2024 11:47 AM (rgS2D)

120 113 Hubby NEC retired from a company mfging fire suppression equipment. His take is they should not use water. Foam, etc to extinguish the blaze.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine

EV fires are fought by cooling the battery. foam, etc. will not work since it will not cool, and can not get under car and into battery where the problem is.

The challenge is that the water won't get there either unless you dip the car into a tank. If you do, problem solved.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 11:47 AM (94ziK)

121
Black Lives Matter!

Oh, those young miners are black?

But they are not over here?

Well, what do they matter, then?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 11:48 AM (xG4kz)

122 Don’t worry. When the layoffs and factory closures inevitably happen, the usual suspects will whine about how we don’t make things in this country anymore and will promptly blame free trade, or absolutely anything else other than the stupid decisions of the auto industry.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (Q9bls)
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Is it the auto industry's fault? How about California democrat legislators that have mandated only EV cars can be sold in their wonderful state starting in 2030?

Granted the auto industry could tell Cali to pound sand, but they smell sweet bail out money from the thieves in the Federal government.

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 01, 2024 11:48 AM (9o1+R)

123 Damn, I keep feeling like this is Sunday, not Monday.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 01, 2024 11:48 AM (V8he0)

124 Are the batteries in hybrid cars as large and as expensive to replace as the full EV ones? Are they even the same batteries?

Posted by: Ciampino - So I can't run my EV on AAAs? at January 01, 2024 11:48 AM (qfLjt)

125 The challenge is that the water won't get there either unless you dip the car into a tank. If you do, problem solved.

Ah, a car pool.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 01, 2024 11:48 AM (CsUN+)

126 Liberals don’t care if kids in Africa have to pick cobalt out of open pit mines to make batteries or kill whales off the south Jersey coast where marine wildlife dies during the erection of windmills to charge them. The important thing is that they FEEL good about themselves.

Posted by: Redenzo at January 01, 2024 11:48 AM (V/pbu)

127 Brought forward from the Morning Report because on topic:

I-70 at Silverthorne/Frisco (west of Denver, main route between Denver and western CO) was shut down for a few hours on Saturday due to a car fire. None of the local news outlets that I found reported what type of vehicle it was. The only clue is that it was a vehicle on a car hauler trailer (i.e. not a vehicle in operation)

Any guesses on what type vehicle it was?

Place your bets at the window...

Posted by: Muldoon at January 01, 2024 09:09 AM (991eG)

Posted by: Muldoon at January 01, 2024 11:48 AM (991eG)

128
23 seconds; reference to debate about renaming a subway station named for an 18th C. English politician who was anti-slavery but not anti-slavery enough for the Woke.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s)

What standing, what moral authority do these people have to make these demands? As far as I can tell, none. Zero. Less than zero.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 01, 2024 11:49 AM (MoZTd)

129 How to tell me you have no technical background whatsoever (Studies majors) without telling me you have no technical background whatsoever.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 01, 2024 11:47 AM (CsUN+)

The government switched to just: make shit up and sell it as fact at some point and I am not sure where.

I saw on a stream somewhere that said that job growth for the past 30 years (essentially since clinton) has ONLY happened under democratic administrations.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 11:49 AM (di6C2)

130 Diesel-electric, like locomotives would make sense, but diesel.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 01, 2024 11:49 AM (Q4IgG)

131 Happy New Year Muldoon !

Posted by: JT at January 01, 2024 11:50 AM (T4tVD)

132 Wait, so people already don't want 200 mile range with mature lithium tech, but...
Posted by: Nikki Haley

All the better to keep the peasants in place.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 01, 2024 11:50 AM (IG4Id)

133 I think most corporations today are run by the Peter Principal .

Posted by: Titanium White at January 01, 2024 11:50 AM (MNhXM)

134 Here is the website.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv-ev.shtml

Click on the City tab and in the lower right it says 100% efficiency.

This comes from SCIENTISTS at the various national labs listed in the end notes.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 11:50 AM (94ziK)

135 Is it just me, or is every single progressive thing, in fact, regressive?

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at January 01, 2024 11:50 AM (gxokI)

136 Fried up 2 slices thick bacon cut up. Added can of drained blackeye peas, garlic and onion powder, 1T butter, 1/2C water, 1-2 vinegar, S&P to taste. Bring to boil. Eat hot.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 01, 2024 11:50 AM (ju2Fy)

137 Gentlemen, thanks will pass this on to him.
Friends think we're crazy putting the money we do into keeping our 13 year old vehicles like new. Not crazy since we don't have to replace them with the crap turned out today.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 01, 2024 11:51 AM (2NHgQ)

138
Coming soon to dealers near you --

the new Ford Jab EV!

Combining two favorite concepts into one product!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 11:51 AM (xG4kz)

139 They bless the mines down in Africa

Posted by: Toto at January 01, 2024 11:51 AM (2yu8s)

140 135 yes and on purpose

Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 11:52 AM (fwDg9)

141 One does not simply use foam on the fires of Mordor.

Posted by: Boromir at January 01, 2024 11:52 AM (OiKEr)

142 @nypost
Burning scented candles can be hazardous to your health — know and heed the warnings
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Loathe those things. Always felt ill walking past those stores. ECCCH.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 01, 2024 11:53 AM (IG4Id)

143
I think most corporations today are run by the Peter Principal .
Posted by: Titanium White

The biggest dick rules the roost?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 11:53 AM (xG4kz)

144 Ours is similar but includes corn.
+++++++++++
The kernels of knowledge you pick up on this blog.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

*******

Thanks should also go to the Cobs.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 01, 2024 11:53 AM (991eG)

145 Oooop.

I just noticed they changed the text. It used to say "efficiency"

I saw this over a year ago when it said 101%, but I guess someone else was bothered and they tried to clean it up. It now says "energy to wheels," which is not much better.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 11:54 AM (94ziK)

146 I assume someone is working on fire suppression/extinguishing tech specifically for lithium batteries.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 01, 2024 11:54 AM (MNhXM)

147 They bless the mines down in Africa
Posted by: Toto at January 01, 2024 11:51 AM (2yu8s)

I read that as mimes.

Posted by: JT at January 01, 2024 11:54 AM (T4tVD)

148 GM’s awful executives, with little understanding of automobiles or their customers’ preferences, think they can simply dictate what consumers should buy.

This can be said about many industries today.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 01, 2024 11:55 AM (Rbu5d)

149 102
Yep here's a link:
Denmark's Queen Margrethe II announces shock abdication in New Year's Eve speech: Monarch who stripped relatives of royal titles in 2022 will stand aside for her scandal-hit son Crown Prince Frederik after 52 years on the throne

https://mol.im/a/12914715

Posted by: Ciampino - An adulterer on the throne? at January 01, 2024 11:55 AM (qfLjt)

150 147 They bless the mines down in Africa
Posted by: Toto at January 01, 2024 11:51 AM (2yu8s)

I read that as mimes.
Posted by: JT at January 01, 2024 11:54 AM (T4tVD)

Bemimeted.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 11:56 AM (di6C2)

151 My friend the hotel reservation clerk got a call from a Brazilian girl who wanted to cancel her reservation for a room in Alabama. She really wanted to go to California. She thought they were, like, next door.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:56 AM (FVME7)

152 Happy New Year Muldoon !
Posted by: JT

*******

Thanks. And to you and yours as well. And to all the Morons at home and a broad.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 01, 2024 11:56 AM (991eG)

153 100% efficient. Sure.

Also, the CDC employs doctors that told the public that they were going to eradicate the COVID virus.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 11:56 AM (R4t5M)

154 Think of all the resources involved in putting to get everything necessary to get an EV to market. Lots of engineering, supply chain, tooling and manufacturing set up. Logistics, marketing, payoffs and bribes.

Freakin' billions of dollars easy.

Yes it does scale but sadly the market is going to reach (has?) a threshold and that's it, no more scaling.

Someone is going to get a haircut.

Posted by: Metal Man at January 01, 2024 11:57 AM (QB+5g)

155
"I'm not going to participate in these corny jokes," he said in a husky voice.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 11:57 AM (3qE2b)

156 148 GM’s awful executives, with little understanding of automobiles or their customers’ preferences, think they can simply dictate what consumers should buy.

This can be said about many industries today.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 01, 2024 11:55 AM (Rbu5d)

Almost everything tries to use this model: games, TV, whatever. I blame schools. This is the 'consumer' instead of customer model.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 11:57 AM (di6C2)

157 I'm listening to the Best of Marcel Marceau album. Good stuff.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 01, 2024 11:58 AM (PYJJG)

158
Thanks. And to you and yours as well. And to all the Morons at home and a broad.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 01, 2024 11:56 AM

Who is the broad you're referring to? Anyone we know?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 11:58 AM (3qE2b)

159 Dead skunk in road > a lit Gwyneth Paltrow candle

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2024 11:58 AM (Wj5J7)

160 at home and a broad

That’s not a nice thing to call an ‘Ette.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:59 AM (9yWhg)

161 "I'm not going to participate in these corny jokes," he said in a husky voice.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Lend me your ears, he said.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 11:59 AM (R4t5M)

162 157 I'm listening to the Best of Marcel Marceau album. Good stuff.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 01, 2024 11:58 AM (PYJJG)

100% clothes rustling listening enjoyment.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 11:59 AM (di6C2)

163 And to you and yours as well. And to all the Morons at home and a broad.

Posted by: Muldoon

Any broad in particular?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 01, 2024 11:59 AM (PYJJG)

164 and so long as it occurs in third world countries where the child laborers are not white.

they don't even think about the color of the children. What's important to them, is THEY DON'T SEE THEM. Whatever the color.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 01, 2024 12:00 PM (Rbu5d)

165 Corporate boards and leadership are infested with what I call Credentialed Cretins.

They have the right papers but zero real experience.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2024 12:00 PM (Wj5J7)

166 161 "I'm not going to participate in these corny jokes," he said in a husky voice.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Lend me your ears, he said.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 11:59 AM (R4t5M)

I come not to praise Caesar, but to plant him.

Posted by: Marcus Antonius at January 01, 2024 12:00 PM (di6C2)

167 Now off to skim the content.

(Just kidding Buck!)

Posted by: Muldoon at January 01, 2024 12:00 PM (991eG)

168 Range aside, I live in a small townhouse with a tiny front yard. No garage, and since electric service is underground, not even sure how a hookup could be done. Last houses at the end of my street don't even front on the parking. Never mind the winter temps here. EV not gonna happen.

Posted by: Lirio100 at January 01, 2024 12:01 PM (I5U35)

169
they don't even think about the color of the children. What's important to them, is THEY DON'T SEE THEM. Whatever the color.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker

They are the neo-slavers and neo-colonialists of the global economy.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 12:01 PM (xG4kz)

170 It's a maize of corn puns to start the year.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 12:01 PM (R4t5M)

171
and so long as it occurs in third world countries where the child laborers are not white.

they don't even think about the color of the children. What's important to them, is THEY DON'T SEE THEM. Whatever the color.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 01, 2024 12:00 PM (Rbu5d)

Write this down in letters of fire. The Left doesn't care about the people it says it's working for. They're just props and tools in the fight for power. When they become expendable, they'll be discarded.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 01, 2024 12:01 PM (MoZTd)

172 he said in a husky voice.

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Speaking of, I saw that Washington was the only team that couldn't sell all of their tickets to the playoff game.

Way to go, fans.

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs at January 01, 2024 12:02 PM (9cE5Q)

173 Kitchen=Africa

Posted by: Metal Man at January 01, 2024 12:02 PM (QB+5g)

174 Justin's time limit is 2035.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 12:02 PM (2yu8s)

175 It’s snowing! In NoVa.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 12:02 PM (9yWhg)

176 They claim EV is up to 100% efficient.

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It's a loaves and fishes thing. You just have to have faith.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 12:02 PM (FVME7)

177 Range aside, I live in a small townhouse with a tiny front yard. No garage, and since electric service is underground, not even sure how a hookup could be done. Last houses at the end of my street don't even front on the parking. Never mind the winter temps here. EV not gonna happen.
Posted by: Lirio100 at January 01, 2024 12:01 PM (I5U35)

You will be forced to take public transportation. That’s the goal,

Posted by: Titanium White at January 01, 2024 12:02 PM (MNhXM)

178 Computer batteries being bad about catching fire?

Well South Africa Airways Flt 295...

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (Wj5J7)

179 166 161 "I'm not going to participate in these corny jokes," he said in a husky voice.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

My dog sometimes talks in a husky voice.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (zYoUB)

180 a larger and larger percentage of our elite come from Southeast Asia/india etc

they are used to having servants do LITERALLY anything, it's super weird to me how some of my neighbors are. they do NOTHING themselves - no house stuff, no repairs, no trimming/gardening - they definitely look down on we "old Chester county types" who ride our own mowers (it's relaxing!). (the fact that I'm an old type now when we were the new scary Italians when I was a kid is funny)

Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (AcWfM)

181 It's a maize of corn puns to start the year.
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It started early this year.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (2yu8s)

182 10...Or you could park it in a Walmart parking lot and rent a real car to make the rest of the trip. I guess it wasn't so much of an "emergency" after all, was it?
Posted by: Oddbob at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (sNc8Y)

that's what I was thinking, too.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (Rbu5d)

183 It would seem to me that CO2 would be the only way to fight a battery fire. The effect of an inert gas coupled with the dry ice cooling effect.
Equip a couple of trucks with 3 or 4 T size tanks and a couple of reels with extinguisher ends on them.

Posted by: Reforger at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (KEn3X)

184 146 I assume someone is working on fire suppression/extinguishing tech specifically for lithium batteries.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 01, 2024 11:54 AM (MNhXM)
----
Lithium reacts with water, oxygen, nitrogen (the latter 2 only quickly when hot), halogen-containing organics (Freon etc.). Sand is good for smothering the fire but how do you clean up?

Posted by: Ciampino - Tell people Lithium is used in H-Bombs at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (qfLjt)

185 I'm a little curious about the 3 Alarm fire that took place about a week ago in Detroit. Turns out is was the high end EV manufacturing plant for GM which is shut down now.

I sure hope the fire marshal sifts through the rubble with a fine tooth comb. We wouldn't want any insurance fraud occurring to sully the almighty righteous EV wave.

Posted by: Orson at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (dIske)

186 and so long as it occurs in third world countries where the child laborers are not white.

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Morlock Lives Don't Matter.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 12:04 PM (FVME7)

187 But is he a Husky?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2024 12:04 PM (Wj5J7)

188 Hope these corn puns don’t give anyone a migrain.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 12:04 PM (9yWhg)

189 The correct way to put out an EV fire is with a careful mix of asbestos, plutonium, dioxins, and aspartame.
Posted by: TikTok E Girl Butthole Salesman at January 01, 2024 11:24 AM (OiKEr)

Heh!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 01, 2024 12:04 PM (tkR6S)

190 The correct way to put out an EV fire is with a careful mix of asbestos, plutonium, dioxins, and aspartame.

Or a dump truck of sand

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2024 12:05 PM (Wj5J7)

191 When an EV bursts into flames on the side of the road that's not a "traffic accident" despite news orgs reporting. Again, they think we're stupid .

Posted by: Son of Dad at January 01, 2024 12:05 PM (8JB5s)

192
Speaking of, I saw that Washington was the only team that couldn't sell all of their tickets to the playoff game.

Way to go, fans.

Posted by: Nikki Haley knows without a doubt that superpower FSU deserved to be in the playoffs

The bad call at the end of the Lions Cowboys game and the Philadelphia Eagles loss yesterday puts the Cowboys at the top of the division despite identical win/loss records. I'm done with football. Not that I was much into it anymore.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 12:06 PM (3qE2b)

193 But is he a Husky?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January

Bilingual

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 01, 2024 12:06 PM (zYoUB)

194 As for the freighter on fire, apparently the shipping company swears it is not the batteries that are on fire.

Sure...

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2024 12:06 PM (Wj5J7)

195 23...I think otherwise. I think it's pre-planned to reduce the availability of traditional ICE vehicles and/or jack the prices up on them so they become nearly unaffordable (like many EV's) to the general public.

If your goal is to move towards the 15 minute city model and control how and where the public is permitted to move one of the things you'd need to do is remove the availability of personal transportation.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 01, 2024 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

It began with 'cash for clunkers,' to get rid of all the non-trackable, self-fixable used cars.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 01, 2024 12:07 PM (Rbu5d)

196 Hope these corn puns don’t give anyone a migrain.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 12:04 PM (9yWhg)

Shucks , that mighty nice of you.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 01, 2024 12:07 PM (MNhXM)

197 183 It would seem to me that CO2 would be the only way to fight a battery fire. The effect of an inert gas coupled with the dry ice cooling effect.
Equip a couple of trucks with 3 or 4 T size tanks and a couple of reels with extinguisher ends on them.

Posted by: Reforger at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (KEn3X)
----
Lithium reacts with CO2.
Forgot to put it in my previous post #184
CO2 is an acidic gas and lithium is an alkali metal -- Li2CO3 lithium carbonate.

Posted by: Ciampino - Tell people Lithium is used in H-Bombs BOOM at January 01, 2024 12:07 PM (qfLjt)

198 Sand is good for smothering the fire but how do you clean up?
Posted by: Ciampino - Tell people Lithium is used in H-Bombs at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (qfLjt)

Daddy, what are all those sand castles on the side of the road?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 12:07 PM (di6C2)

199 Quick warning….
I’m a straight, married guy in my 50’s, but when I said the phrase “electric Buick” aloud I instantly got my period.

Posted by: Tony at January 01, 2024 12:08 PM (r2suQ)

200 No black eyed peas...although I love 'em.
Flank steak instead.

You know you're jealous.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 01, 2024 12:08 PM (W/lyH)

201 196 Hope these corn puns don’t give anyone a migrain.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 12:04 PM (9yWhg)

What exactly is corn pone?

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 01, 2024 12:08 PM (zYoUB)

202 *pauses and mashes two things together*

The Buick Electrolux

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2024 12:08 PM (Wj5J7)

203
Quick warning….
I’m a straight, married guy in my 50’s, but when I said the phrase “electric Buick” aloud I instantly got my period.

Posted by: Tony at January 01, 2024 12:08 PM

I don't mean to rag on you but isn't that impossible?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 12:09 PM (3qE2b)

204 from link

"Tips for Avoiding Winter Range Loss
... and turn down the cabin heater."

Ha.
Why not just tell people to stay home?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 12:09 PM (94ziK)

205 Cabbage and Black eye peas would be on my hell menu. Maybe that’s why I have such bad luck.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 01, 2024 12:09 PM (MNhXM)

206 You can keep the snow, I still need to get new tires

Posted by: Skip at January 01, 2024 12:10 PM (fwDg9)

207
they are used to having servants do LITERALLY anything, it's super weird to me how some of my neighbors are. they do NOTHING themselves - no house stuff, no repairs, no trimming/gardening

Her Majesty spent part of her youth in India; her father was a UN technical person. There were cooks, a gardener, a chauffeur, houseboys, etc.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 01, 2024 12:10 PM (MoZTd)

208 The bad call at the end of the Lions Cowboys game

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Lebron James Furious at Officials After Would-Be Game-Tying 3-Pointer Gets Ruled a 2-Pointer

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Poor baby!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 12:10 PM (FVME7)

209 Sand is good for smothering the fire but how do you clean up?
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Same as for cleaning a glasshole??

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 12:11 PM (2yu8s)

210 The Buick Electrolux
Posted by: Anna Puma

General Motors would fuck up making a vacuum cleaner, too.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 12:11 PM (R4t5M)

211
Although corn pone shares a lot of similarities to these other breads, it is a simpler version, typically made from just cornmeal, water, salt, and bacon fat or other type of oil. According to the official definition on Merriam-Webster, corn pone is "cornbread often made without milk or eggs and baked or fried." According to Wikipedia, it's also called "Indian pone," and is "cooked in a specific type of iron pan over an open fire," like a cast-iron skillet or other oven-proof skillets.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 12:11 PM (xG4kz)

212 202 *pauses and mashes two things together*

The Buick Electrolux
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 01, 2024 12:08 PM (Wj5J7)

1960 Buick Electra Convertible 225

http://tinyurl.com/48jdhpd5

Fairly sexy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 12:11 PM (di6C2)

213 In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at January 01, 2024 12:12 PM (sJHOI)

214 Auto manufacturers: Let's take a winning concept, and make it ghey and lame! Profit?!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 01, 2024 12:12 PM (TlMqw)

215 Sand is good for smothering the fire but how do you clean up?
Posted by: Ciampino

One of the scandi countries has open containers 1/4-filled with sand. They push the car into the container, close it, and fill it up with more sand. Then truck it away after a day or two.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 01, 2024 12:12 PM (IG4Id)

216 I’m a straight, married guy in my 50’s, but when I said the phrase “electric Buick” aloud I instantly got my period.
Posted by: Tony
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My uncle had an Electra Buick but I don't think he got that reaction when he talked about his Deuce and Quarter.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 01, 2024 12:12 PM (ju2Fy)

217 a larger and larger percentage of our elite come from Southeast Asia/india etc

they are used to having servants do LITERALLY anything, it's super weird to me how some of my neighbors are. they do NOTHING themselves - no house stuff, no repairs, no trimming/gardening - they definitely look down on we "old Chester county types" who ride our own mowers (it's relaxing!). (the fact that I'm an old type now when we were the new scary Italians when I was a kid is funny)
Posted by: BlackOrchid, I meant to say at January 01, 2024 12:03 PM (AcWfM)

The end result of all this is that-

that we are ion porting the Indian/Hindu Caste System along with all the well-educated/professional Indians. all o0f these folks are Upper Caste and you should be serving them. It's the natural order.

So, along with islam we're importing the second worst and unAmerican in conception and execution, religion in the world, hinduism.

Combined with islam and Chinese social control communism, the future's gonna be awesome!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 01, 2024 12:13 PM (nFnyb)

218 I do have an Electrolux gas range.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 12:13 PM (R4t5M)

219 203
Quick warning….
I’m a straight, married guy in my 50’s, but when I said the phrase “electric Buick” aloud I instantly got my period.

Posted by: Tony at January 01, 2024 12:08 PM

I don't mean to rag on you but isn't that impossible?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 12:09 PM (3qE2b)
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He didn't want to say it went limp and looked like a comma.

Posted by: Ciampino - The Buick Park Avenue is an Electra at January 01, 2024 12:13 PM (qfLjt)

220 Civil War thread anyone?

NBC News
@NBCNews
A new study outlines how white people’s migration during and after the Civil War bolstered white supremacy and institutional racism in non-slave states, contributing to the vast racial disparities that exist today nationwide.

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Damn crackes always moving around!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 12:13 PM (FVME7)

221 Re: plastic grocery bags

Originally, the plastic grocery bag was to replace the paper bag, in order to save trees.

But then, people decided plastic bags were bad, because oil is dirty.

Now, Colorado will solve that problem by bringing back the single use paper grocery bag!

Starting today, businesses with more than 3 locations (like the King Sooper where I shop) can no longer replenish their stocks of plastic bags. They may continue to offer plastic gags until they run out, but that's it.

Posted by: Don Black at January 01, 2024 12:13 PM (geLO8)

222 Yes... R A W S A L E R T S @rawsalerts 19 Dec 2023
🚨#BREAKING: Firefighters are battling a three-alarm fire inside the General Motors Factory Hamtramck Assembly Center
📌#Detroit | #Michigan
Multiple firefighters are on the scene at the General Motors Factory Hamtramck Assembly Center in Detroit, Michigan, battling a three-alarm fire inside the factory complex. Reports indicate that multiple bins filled with batteries are on fire. It is currently unknown if anyone was injured in the battery fire inside the building. Scanner reports suggest that the fire is spreading, and firefighters are facing challenges extinguishing it due to the batteries.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 12:14 PM (2yu8s)

223 Geniuses created an automotive industry based on gasoline, a waste product in the refining of kerosene from oil. They built a supply chain, support system and interstate system that enabled people to drive across the country in days, as refueling took but a few minutes.

Idiots are forcing us to abandon that in favor of unreliable battery-operated cars that have almost no infrastructure for repairs and maintenance, and have to recharge for hours every 300 miles or so. We are replacing pickup trucks with overdeveloped golf carts.

Over at Surber:
http://tinyurl.com/vwke7bja

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 01, 2024 12:14 PM (lwOKI)

224 Oh please, no. There's an almost 100% chance these CEOs are attending Davos and other globalist WEF/Aspen Institute conferences where they all coordinate among other big ceos (Google, Pepsi, whatever) and world leaders from around the globe how they will shape the future of transportation, etc..
Posted by: Lizzy at January 01, 2024 11:26 AM (izj35)

^^^this

And they're SO happy to be invited to the cool kids' table...

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 01, 2024 12:14 PM (Rbu5d)

225
So, along with islam we're importing the second worst and unAmerican in conception and execution, religion in the world, hinduism.

There are two types of dot-Indians.

1) The nicest people you could ever meet.

2) Arrogant assholes who won't even give you the time of day.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 01, 2024 12:14 PM (MoZTd)

226 Black eyed peas and turnip greens.

The peas represent coins and the greens folding money.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 01, 2024 12:15 PM (NBVIP)

227 220 Civil War thread anyone?

NBC News
@NBCNews
A new study outlines how white people’s migration during and after the Civil War bolstered white supremacy and institutional racism in non-slave states, contributing to the vast racial disparities that exist today nationwide.

-
Damn crackes always moving around!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 12:13 PM (FVME7)

Oh, ffs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 12:15 PM (di6C2)

228 many Nepalese moving into my AO.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 01, 2024 12:16 PM (R4t5M)

229 Paper bags were not just single use. You could use them for all sorts of things.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 12:16 PM (di6C2)

230
a larger and larger percentage of our elite come from Southeast Asia/india etc

they are used to having servants do LITERALLY anything, it's super weird to me how some of my neighbors are. they do NOTHING themselves - no house stuff, no repairs, no trimming/gardening

They positively infest the upper ranks of tech companies and are the biggest advocates, as a class, for censorship.

Take your racist and caste-based sensibilities back to your South Indian call centers, bigots.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 01, 2024 12:16 PM (xG4kz)

231 I bet the Tesla will totally buff out.

Posted by: Weasel at January 01, 2024 12:17 PM (JwHpX)

232 The bad call at the end of the Lions Cowboys game

Meh. The Lions were trying to be clever by sending three people simultaneously to the refs to create confusion about their double secret play.

And they got what they strove for...confusion.

it bit them in the ass.

Too bad. So, sad.

Angry Joe or whatever the Lion's coach's name is was hilarious in his screaming and stupid subsequent play calling tho so....BONUS!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 01, 2024 12:17 PM (nFnyb)

233 Paper bags were not just single use. You could use them for all sorts of things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Mom used them to cover our school books.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 01, 2024 12:18 PM (ju2Fy)

234 LSU vs Wisc on Espn2. Wisc just scored TD.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 01, 2024 12:19 PM (ju2Fy)

235
Now, Colorado will solve that problem by bringing back the single use paper grocery bag!

At Aldi's you either bring your own bags or you can purchase their paper grocery bags for less then a dime a piece. We bought a couple about two years ago and they're still holding up well. Kinda amazing actually, must be the pulp they use.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 12:19 PM (3qE2b)

236 The charts on the EV cold range link are interesting.

- Optimum temp is around 80, and range drops off very fast below around 50F.

- Tesla performs much better. I guess because other companies are not using heat pumps? I don't know, but it is surprising. Maybe they just figure to ship them out and fix the design later.

- boy do these ranges suck. Much worse than what it says on the tin,.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 12:19 PM (94ziK)

237 So, if you put out a fire, you are contributing to global warming. Brilliant.

Don't forget fires contribute to global warming too,
Posted by: anon at January 01, 2024 11:35 AM (RqMDa)

Electric car fires are not "electrical fires" as a firefighter understands the term. For firefighting purposes, and electrical fire is one that involves electrical panels or equipment that is energized by the utility lines, and thus may be "hot" by hundreds, or even thousands, of volts relative to the grounded firefighting equipment. Getting electrocuted by current passing through a stream of water from the hose is a possibility.

In an electric car fire, some portions of the battery and internal wiring are "hot" relative to the chassis of the car and other parts of the wiring, but are not "hot" relative to the ground or to the firefighting equipment. Even if the water stream hits a 400 volt battery pole, there is no return path, so no current will flow in the stream.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 01, 2024 12:20 PM (tkR6S)

238 I'll be skipping any EV purchase this lifetime, thanks Buck.

Southwest scones for breakfast after Mass this morning
(scones with whole corn and chopped green chilies.)

Hope everyone has a much better year than last year!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 01, 2024 12:20 PM (iN/nt)

239 All officiating…. But especially the NFL, has become absolutely atrocious over the past 10-15 years. Part of the problem is a proliferation of stupid safety rules (don’t breathe on the QB)…. The other part is it’s now clear to me with all the gambling that someone has gotten to most of the refs. They’re obviously on the take. Too much $$ involved

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 01, 2024 12:20 PM (MW0on)

240 Can we just stop with the ICE vehicle BS and just call them cars like everyone who isn't an "EV evangelist" does.

Posted by: Mirage42 at January 01, 2024 12:20 PM (Pq7B9)

241 Civil War thread anyone?

NBC News
@NBCNews
A new study outlines how white people’s migration during and after the Civil War bolstered white supremacy and institutional racism in non-slave states, contributing to the vast racial disparities that exist today nationwide.

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Damn crackes always moving around!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 12:13 PM (FVME7)

Oh, ffs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 12:15 PM (di6C2)
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Hey NBC.
My channel changer just migrated to another network.
Piss off you race baiting asshats.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 01, 2024 12:21 PM (W/lyH)

242 >>Paper bags were not just single use. You could use them for all sorts of things.

Particularly if you are a NY Jets fan.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 01, 2024 12:22 PM (ZLI7S)

243 EVs are for chumps.

If the world had listened to me 10 years ago, you all could have saved yourselves these misgivings.

Take your EVs to the moon and Mars. That's your market.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 01, 2024 12:22 PM (J3ryZ)

244 8 You’re supposed to eat seafood on New Year’s Day. For good luck.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (9yWhg)

Really? I did not know that.

*smiles and thaws a pound of shrimp*

Thank you.

Posted by: creeper at January 01, 2024 12:23 PM (cTCuP)

245
In an electric car fire, some portions of the battery and internal wiring are "hot" relative to the chassis of the car and other parts of the wiring, but are not "hot" relative to the ground or to the firefighting equipment. Even if the water stream hits a 400 volt battery pole, there is no return path, so no current will flow in the stream.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 01, 2024 12:20 PM

But, but, but the key question is... is it safe to pee on an electric fence?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 12:23 PM (3qE2b)

246 229 Paper bags were not just single use. You could use them for all sorts of things.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 12:16 PM (di6C2)
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True but only if they weren't torn or wet.
No handles but then $100 doesn't buy much these days.

Why are these idiots elected? At the next round I would ask prospective candidates if the support banning plastic bags. Everything else we buy is wrapped in plastic but we can''t have bags or straws made of plastic!

Posted by: Ciampino - It's up to consumers to push back at January 01, 2024 12:25 PM (qfLjt)

247 >>NBC News
@NBCNews
A new study outlines how white people’s migration during and after the Civil War bolstered white supremacy and institutional racism in non-slave states, contributing to the vast racial disparities that exist today nationwide.

I'm sorry - what?!
They're actually making the case that Southern "carpetbaggers" migrated North and made them racist?!?

Please visit, say, Southie in Boston and behold the racism there and tell me this is due to distant (150+ years/8 generations) Southern relatives

Posted by: Lizzy at January 01, 2024 12:25 PM (izj35)

248 We knew it was coming with the 10,000/day average but here are the end figures:

Disclose.tv @disclosetv 2h
JUST IN - United States records more than 302,000 migrant encounters in December, a new monthly record — Fox

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 12:25 PM (2yu8s)

249 All officiating…. But especially the NFL, has become absolutely atrocious over the past 10-15 years. Part of the problem is a proliferation of stupid safety rules (don’t breathe on the QB)…. The other part is it’s now clear to me with all the gambling that someone has gotten to most of the refs. They’re obviously on the take. Too much $$ involved
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 01, 2024 12:20 PM (MW0on)
***

No way the cowboys were going to lose on Jimmy Johnson Day. The fix was in.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 01, 2024 12:26 PM (W/lyH)

250 They're actually making the case that Southern "carpetbaggers" migrated North and made them racist?!?

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Explains the Squad.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 12:27 PM (FVME7)

251 >>My uncle had an Electra Buick but I don't think he got that reaction when he talked about his Deuce and Quarter.

circa 1973...me and a buddy went 50/50 on a deuce and a quarter that had flooded in one of those routine Houston squalls. What a fine ride it was too. Massive 4door with no pillars, smoove ride, room for 10 when you're in high school mode, gas soared to $0.45/gal or so

Posted by: DanMan at January 01, 2024 12:28 PM (8uzBS)

252 The refs have huge egos now too, believing they're just as important as the players. Saw that with the various officials' strikes.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 12:28 PM (2yu8s)

253 I saw this over a year ago when it said 101%, but I guess someone else was bothered and they tried to clean it up. It now says "energy to wheels," which is not much better.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 11:54 AM (94ziK)

And still absolutely false. electric motors all get warm when doing work. That heat is wasted energy. It may be a trivial amount, but it is definitely real and non-zero.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 01, 2024 12:28 PM (tkR6S)

254 nood

thanks, fags.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 01, 2024 12:29 PM (2yu8s)

255 Why are these idiots elected?

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Well, here in Colorado we have mail in (only) vote fraud.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 12:29 PM (FVME7)

256 There is no climate emergency.
Covid was a seasonal flu.
Recycling is useless.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 01, 2024 12:29 PM (NBVIP)

257 You’re supposed to eat seafood on New Year’s Day. For good luck.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM (9yWhg)

I'm thinking there isnt enough seafood for this year.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 01, 2024 12:29 PM (W/lyH)

258 Detroit Is Asking Residents to House Illegal Aliens

http://tinyurl.com/2cfpypmh
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 01, 2024 11:26 AM

Unless my google-foo is failing me, this article references a NGO called African Bureau for Immigration and Social Affairs. Google that name. It takes you to an ad agency.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 01, 2024 12:30 PM (UcAQV)

259 231 I bet the Tesla will totally buff out.

Posted by: Weasel at January 01, 2024 12:17 PM (JwHpX)
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Just polish the hubcaps.

Posted by: Ciampino - rust is a bond too, albeit weak at January 01, 2024 12:31 PM (qfLjt)

260 ...that we are ion porting the Indian/Hindu Caste System ...

*******

Maybe we could try a calcium channel blocker?

Posted by: Muldoon at January 01, 2024 12:32 PM (991eG)

261 Mais, dat Buck, he know his own se'f how to do dem black-eye peas - an' heah be anudda tip: Use dem Tabasco 'Chipotle' instead of reg'lar hot sauce. C'est bon!

Posted by: Dr_No at January 01, 2024 12:34 PM (ayRl+)

262
Damn, now I want some Hoppin' John.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 01, 2024 12:36 PM (MoZTd)

263 Paper bags were not just single use. You could use them for all sorts of things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 01, 2024 12:16 PM (di6C2)

Ditto for plastic. I used my old plastic grocery sacks as trash bags. They also make a decent padding for shipping stuff.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 01, 2024 12:36 PM (tkR6S)

264 ...that we are ion porting the Indian/Hindu Caste System ...

*******

Maybe we could try a calcium channel blocker?
Posted by: Muldoon at January 01, 2024 12:32 PM (991eG)

It's element, my dear Muldoon.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 01, 2024 12:37 PM (nFnyb)

265 GM’s awful executives, with little understanding of automobiles or their customers’ preferences

Mary Barra is second-generation GM, went to the college formerly known as GMI, got a degree in EE, and has never worked for anyone but The General. She's a gm company man through and through, and this is what you get. Can't really blame this one on the gunslingers. The "culture" of gm was just that bad.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 01, 2024 12:37 PM (FCs/J)

266 That sad story of the MotorTrend writer on an emergency trip with his F150 Golf Cart is mirrored almost exactly by Jill with Pickup Truck and SUV Talk Youtube channel. She took the new Genesis EV from somewhere in Indiana if I recall - to Chicago and back. It was a nightmare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCx4e_mPTMs

Here's a hint to the automakers - if your vehicle requires an app to navigate you through your trip from point A to point B via the route that has available "refueling" stations then you have completely and utterly failed at your job. Nobody wants to have their schedule, their route, their lives dictated by what charging station is open and operating.

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 01, 2024 12:39 PM (Vf6GE)

267
@Catturd has a video of some dumbass holding a firework in his mouth. Not sure how to do the Twitter/X link thing yet.

Debatable whether funny or not.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 12:40 PM (3qE2b)

268 It’s simply a hassle that the rest of us can avoid by not driving an EV.
For now. Until you don't have any other option.
Then we all end up stranded on EV buses that have conked out in the cold.

Posted by: GWB at January 01, 2024 12:42 PM (sSx7k)

269 - Tesla performs much better. I guess because other companies are not using heat pumps? I don't know, but it is surprising. Maybe they just figure to ship them out and fix the design later.

- boy do these ranges suck. Much worse than what it says on the tin,.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 12:19 PM (94ziK)

"Better" but not what I would call "acceptable". If I design a car where I lose 25% of my vehicle range due to the weather, then I have failed utterly and completely at my task. It's unfit to be called even a minimum viable product.

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 01, 2024 12:43 PM (Vf6GE)

270 61 The correct way to put out an EV fire is with a careful mix of asbestos, plutonium, dioxins, and aspartame.

Posted by: TikTok E Girl Butthole Salesman at January 01, 2024 11:24 AM (OiKEr)
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Do you think we could use cyclamate in place of aspartame? We have this huge stockpile of cyclamate from last century, banned because the Gov. used really bad science or got paid off by competition OR BOTH!
I wonder if that was 10%.

Posted by: Ciampino - aspartame is the cause of everything at January 01, 2024 12:43 PM (qfLjt)

271 The thing about gas refueling stations is that they grew up organically. From having a pump in your house to someone figuring out that a gas station on these couple of corners in town would be really profitable. Then to figuring out that if you owned a gas station every so often along route 10 you could make a mint.

But charging stations require a massive algorithm to figure out where to put them. You *can't* figure it out organically, because nobody can carry a jerry can of electrons on the back of their car as they did with gas Model As.

Posted by: GWB at January 01, 2024 12:45 PM (sSx7k)

272 If sugar were discovered today, would it get approval from the FDA? (Assume no preferred invested parties involved.)

Posted by: Ciampino - aspartame is the cause of everything! at January 01, 2024 12:45 PM (qfLjt)

273 @Catturd has a video of some dumbass holding a firework in his mouth. Not sure how to do the Twitter/X link thing yet.

Debatable whether funny or not.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 01, 2024 12:40 PM (3qE2b)

A moment of stupid, a lifetime of dental bills.

I believe i'm in favor of this new trend.

Don't forget to eat your lucky New Year's Tide Pods!

Posted by: naturalfake at January 01, 2024 12:46 PM (nFnyb)

274 It's unfit to be called even a minimum viable product.
Posted by: Defenestratus at January 01, 2024 12:43 PM (Vf6GE)

If you weren't a cult member, you might figure out how to market it in ONLY certain places, for certain purposes. Once you've got that market locked down and the product perfected, then you could use your smarts to figure out how to expand that niche.

But that's not the Progressive way. You must insist via the power of gov't regulation, and it must be done in 10 years or less. Otherwise the utopia will never come.

Posted by: GWB at January 01, 2024 12:48 PM (sSx7k)

275 For the past 6 months we have been driving our son's 2017 Bolt. It was his wife's car but he got it in the divorce. We are letting him drive our 2007 BMW convertible - he looks better in it than we do. Our experience with the Bolt: It has a 205 mile range in the summer and 148 mile range in the winter - and we keep it in the garage and the temp there rarely get's below 48. We use it exclusively for errands around town, and being retired, that is most of our driving. It is great for that - it is a good station car. But that is all it is good for. I am hesitant parking it outside due to pack rat activity. We had our little ICE Toyota burn up due to rats and mice chewing wires that caused a short. I now have lights, strobes, etc on the replacement truck parked outside. The Bolt had the battery replaced due to a recall, and all in all, as long as it doesn't spontaneously combust, it works for us. But I would not want to buy one, and no one should be forced to use or buy one.

Posted by: JML at January 01, 2024 12:53 PM (/CwKe)

276 Someone mentioned they use one EV for local grocery shopping. I don't really see the benefits there and still leaves one with the resale value problem (ignoring replacing the battery if it fails).

Posted by: Ciampino - use Knife battery KOH Ni Fe at January 01, 2024 12:56 PM (qfLjt)

277 @263 Paper bags were not just single use. You could use them for all sorts of things.
__________________________

In college, they came in quite handy for some blind dates.

Posted by: Dr_No at January 01, 2024 01:12 PM (ayRl+)

278 Why don't they mandate solar powered cars?
That's what they want, amirite?

Posted by: torabora at January 01, 2024 01:38 PM (b3DdZ)

279 Why don't they mandate solar powered cars?
That's what they want, amirite?

Posted by: torabora at January 01, 2024 01:38 PM

Nope. The WEF and Deep State want no one to own any cars at all. You will own nothing and you will be happy.

They want everyone controlled in 15-minute cities, walking or riding bicycles or taking public transit. In other words, they want to convert every Western nation to China.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 01, 2024 01:45 PM (AaCDb)

280 For all the rest, let 2024 be the year when legacy automakers throw in the towel on the eco-communist EV experiment.

Unless the EPA standards are changed, the automakers have no choice but to continue developing and building EVs. The EPA standards are set such that no ICE vehicle can meet them. And the penalties for not meeting the EPA standards are either ridiculously high fines (for not meeting fuel economy) or bans on sales (for not meeting emission standards).

So automakers can go back to developing and building vehicles customers want to buy, but that will lead to either bankruptcy through fines or the end of the company as they are banned from selling any vehicles.

The only way automakers will be able to go back to ICE vehicle development and production is if the EPA standards are changed back to where the Trump Administration had them. But since the Deep State will never allow any America-first candidate to win an election in our lifetimes again, those climate cult EPA standards are here to stay. And automakers have no choice but to operate their business to meet them.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 01, 2024 01:51 PM (AaCDb)

281 EV autos as blood diamonds. Great metaphor.
Or is that a simile? Life can be so confusing.
B

Posted by: BrianinTn at January 01, 2024 02:04 PM (9YFSR)

282 Don’t worry. When the layoffs and factory closures inevitably happen, the usual suspects will whine about how we don’t make things in this country anymore and will promptly blame free trade, or absolutely anything else other than the stupid decisions of the auto industry.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 01, 2024 11:05 AM

This is not because of "stupid decisions made by the auto industry." The auto industry is forced into developing, building and trying to sell EVs, because of the ridiculous EPA standards for fuel economy and emissions which cannot be met by ICE vehicles. In addition to the penalties (fines which will bankrupt the company and bans on sales of any vehicles) for not meeting the EPA standards.

The auto industry did not just decide to produce and try to sell product its customers do not want. The industry was forced into this by Obama and Biden EPA standards, which originated from the WEF. And these standards are being forced on every Western nation in the world.

This is not an American auto industry issue, this is a WEF, Deep State and climate cult issue.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 01, 2024 02:06 PM (AaCDb)

283 I think it's pre-planned to reduce the availability of traditional ICE vehicles and/or jack the prices up on them so they become nearly unaffordable (like many EV's) to the general public.

If your goal is to move towards the 15 minute city model and control how and where the public is permitted to move one of the things you'd need to do is remove the availability of personal transportation.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 01, 2024 11:11 AM

Bingo.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 01, 2024 02:09 PM (AaCDb)

284 - The DOE has a great comparison between EV and ICE on a special website. They claim EV is up to 100% efficient. (it used to say 101) because they count the regenerative braking as new input. This makes my engineering skin crawl.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 01, 2024 11:30 AM

The DOE is part of the same federal government which stated the COVID "vaccine" was "100% safe and effective" and then changed the definition of vaccine, since the COVID "vaccine" did not prevent infection or spread of the virus.

Also the same federal government which stated the 2020 Presidential election and 2022 Arizona election were both perfectly legitimate and valid.

At this point, I will never believe anything stated by any government institution ever again.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 01, 2024 02:33 PM (AaCDb)

285 “Our Last Ford F-150 Lightning EV Pickup Road Trip Was a Nightmare” [Motor Trend – 12/22/2023]

We'll eventually get to the point where traveling with an EV is as easy as it is with a gas-powered vehicle, but trips like this are reminders that huge growing pains remain, largely with the state of the infrastructure still incapable of supporting the growing EV marketplace.

Not sure what the bold part of his statement is based upon. There is no factual evidence that anyone is working to make this a reality. In fact, I think the goal is to do everything to NOT make this a reality.

The goal is not to make EV travel as easy as gas-powered travel. The goal is to get rid of personal vehicle ownership and long-distance travel altogether.

There is zero feasible plan for an infrastructure within our lifetimes to actually support 100% ownership of EVs by all those who currently own gas-powered vehicles. As such, logic tells us then that if the WEF and Deep State will ban ICE vehicles by 2030-2035-2050 with no plan for any infrastructure to be in place to support 100% EVs by 2030-2035-2050, then it is not logical to assume EV travelling will eventually be easy.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 01, 2024 03:36 PM (AaCDb)

286 We have to buy EV's to offset the emissions from all the coal power plants China is building.

Posted by: OCBill at January 01, 2024 03:43 PM (SUECK)

287 The high-end lifestyle full of servants, attendants, lack of self-parking, etc. has been pure torture to me in my limited exposure to it.

Instead of self-driving cars, Tesla should be working on auto-valet parking. Pull up in front of the business front door, get out and push a button on the key fob, and the car goes and finds a parking space on its own. Call the car when you're done, and it unparks and drives to where you are to pick you up.

Posted by: Socratease at January 01, 2024 03:58 PM (t8Egx)

288 This is not an American auto industry issue, this is a WEF, Deep State and climate cult issue.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 01, 2024 02:06 PM (AaCDb)

Nice try! Detroit could make cars and trucks we want and tell others to pound sand. Yet they refuse.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 01, 2024 04:07 PM (Q9bls)

289 Just as long as their Weather Gods have their sacrifices or the innocent the High Priests of Climate Change will just continue to demand their offerings

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 01, 2024 04:23 PM (FLiOE)

290 You've missed the part where customers don't have a say.
Full size non-electric sedans are mostly gone.
Mazda has the 3 and small SUV CR30 getting rid of 5 and 6.
Dodge has Charger and Challenger $60000. Impala is gone. Taurus,Thunderbird? Maybe Mustang. You have Altima, Corolla, Maxima, Camry, Accord, Kia K5 GT-Line. The guys who were first with electrics are being realistic.

Posted by: MikeN at January 01, 2024 04:51 PM (XygMV)

291 Some friends of mine bought a GM EV a while back, and her biggest complaint was that no one knew how to service it, including the dealer.

Posted by: PJ at January 01, 2024 06:06 PM (G1dq6)

292 How self aware are the Chevy execs to call an EV the Blazer?

Posted by: Grungle at January 01, 2024 07:00 PM (xfIof)

293 Alabama vs Michigan Live Stream | 2024 NCAAF College Football Semifinal Rose Bowl Game

http://tinyurl.com/67ahew82

Posted by: sr at January 01, 2024 07:26 PM (cbTBi)

294 "EVs are the blood diamonds of the climate cult"
Totally going to use that along with Throckmortons law of the standup bass.

Posted by: Max Entropy at January 01, 2024 08:02 PM (rGssv)

295 Outstanding update, Buck. I will share it with my group. Your words are a bright spot in the start to a year that I am dreading. There is not a lot that looks like good news.
Black eyes: salt. That’s it. Good, but they don’t hold a candle to her collard greens, then the corn bread with the “pot licker”.
HAPPY NEW YEAR, HORDE!

Posted by: FINGERS at January 01, 2024 09:37 PM (C8ve7)

296 In 25 years, with major improvements in battery tech and electrical infrastructure, EVs will be a good idea. In the meantime, hybrids are the best solution. Zero rpm torque from the electric motor for starts and acceleration, and a gas engine for cruising and charging. Plugin hybrids are a special niche, but useful under limited conditions.
Don't give up your ICE in the meantime.

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