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The Changing Face Of Asymmetric War: What Is Changing It?
Economics, My Dear Boy, Economics*
A $500 IED pins down an American armored column for hours...a Muslim lunatic with an explosive vest necessitates a $50,000,000 security upgrade at a border crossing....a $35,000 drone destroys (maybe) a $10,000,000 Leopard II tank...a $500 Qassam rocket requires at least one $50,000 Tamir missile to shoot it down.
One of the glories of market economies is how fast expensive and rare technology quickly can become available to everyone. Obviously militaries clamor for the highest tech, in part because it is better for their needs, but also because it is unreachable for all but the richest nations. That is the technological advantage that America has had for many years. But the explosion in computing power, sensor technology, and controller cost has blurred those lines. The Shrinking Cost of War Threatens Western MilitariesThe war in Ukraine has made it increasingly clear that modern warfare is now undergoing its own aggressive period of commodification. The driver of this is somewhat ironic: technology initially developed for military purposes, such as GPS and advanced electronic optics, has been designed for consumer products, and their price dragged down. The commodified versions of the technology are now being used to create new weapons systems that are highly effective and cheap. The most prominent piece of this sort of now-commodified technology in the Ukraine war is Russia’s ZALA Lancet drone. These have been used extensively to target tanks and other vehicles belonging to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It is now commonplace to see videos of Lancet drones being used to destroy advanced tanks, such as the German Leopard II. Consider the relative costs. A Lancet drone costs around $35,000. It appears to be easy and quick to produce, with ZALA Aero Group announcing it will increase production by “several times this year.” A Leopard II tank, on the other hand, costs around $11 million. It is also slow to manufacture, with maybe fifty or so produced each year. This is where things begin to get absurd. On a pure cost basis, Russia can produce 314 Lancet drones for every Leopard II tank Germany produces. This gets even more dramatic if we factor in relative prices in the two countries by using purchasing power parity (PPP) adjustment—how economists make accurate international economic comparisons. With this, we find that, for the cost of producing one Leopard II tank in Germany, Russia can produce 683 Lancet drones. This raises an obvious question: is the battlefield worth of a Leopard II equivalent to nearly seven hundred Lancet drones? Probably not. The commodification of the battlefield we have seen in Ukraine calls into question much of contemporary Western military strategy, which seems to focus on producing high-quality, high-cost equipment in the hope it can overwhelm inferior forces. Nor is this solely the case in a grinding war of attrition, as we have seen in Ukraine. Since the outbreak of the war in Gaza in October this year, we have seen various other aspects of Western military strategy be called into question by the process of rapid battlefield commodification.
[Aside from the questionable math and my suspicion that the Russian success against the Leopard II might be exaggerated, this is a worthwhile article.] The question is: how can 1st World nations combat the high-tech-low-cost attacks of their sometimes stone-age adversaries? The answer is simple, and absolutely antithetical to the post-modern concept of limited war, limited casualties, surgical strikes, restrictive rules of engagement, and political expediency trumping any military considerations on the battlefield. Return to total war. Until Western technology dominates $35,000 drones that can kill anything on the battlefield, the only sane response is to discard the 21st century conceit that war can be manipulated and titrated and guided and massaged to arrive at a specific end that has no significant casualties or destruction. That is nonsense, and the experience of the last 70 years proves it. Israel should have leveled Gaza, and saved the hundreds of soldiers who have died and will die in their careful campaign to destroy only Hamas infrastructure, and kill only Hamas terrorists. The United States should have leveled every Iranian base in Syria after the first drone was used to attack one American installation. The West should have bombed every Houthi installation the second a single ship was attacked in the Red Sea. The short-term answer to commodity drones and RPGs and rockets is power. Oceans of artillery and bombs fired at every target of opportunity. They are reasonably inexpensive, and surprisingly accurate! But the goal is not pinpoint accuracy to kill only the drone operator in a spider hole in an abandoned building. The goal is to terrify and intimidate and destroy the will to fight. That is a disproportionate response, and it is axiomatic that to win a war, one needs to destroy more and kill more than one's opponent. Proportionality has become an excuse to avoid victory. We need more victories and fewer proportionate and ultimately inconsequential military adventures. That will save lives...the important ones in our armed forces, and even those among our enemies, since protracted wars, simmering and seething just below the surface ultimately kill more people than a short, swift, violent response. *Apologies to Harold MacMillan
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Afternoon everyone
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 12:00 PM (cL4jw)
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Grocery shopping now is next yo impossible
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 12:02 PM (cL4jw)
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No, its not economics it is gutlessness. Start treating bad behavior like we treat inner city domestic disputes: Shoot in less than 6 secs.
Problems will go away PDQ.
Problems will go away PDQ.
Posted by: Legion of Boom at December 31, 2023 12:02 PM (OXRlN)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at December 31, 2023 12:03 PM (T4tVD)
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A $500 drone destroys a $1M tank
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 12:04 PM (cL4jw)
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"The question is: how can 1st World nations combat the high-tech-low-cost attacks of their sometimes stone-age adversaries?"
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My answer would be: Stay out of places with stone-age "adversaries" in the first place, but nobody who works in the board rooms of Lockheed and Raytheon, or the Pentagon (same people?) listens to me.
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My answer would be: Stay out of places with stone-age "adversaries" in the first place, but nobody who works in the board rooms of Lockheed and Raytheon, or the Pentagon (same people?) listens to me.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:06 PM (XXfLD)
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Titrate is a new word for me. I can always get educated here.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 31, 2023 12:06 PM (TeAFy)
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Return to total war. Until Western technology dominates $35,000 drones that can kill anything on the battlefield, the only sane response is to discard the 21st century conceit that war can be manipulated and titrated and guided and massaged to arrive at a specific end that has no significant casualties or destruction. That is nonsense, and the experience of the last 70 years proves it.
I've gone back and forth on whether the age of the carrier is over. They're hugely expensive, and a big fat target, but OTOH nothing else provides its global reach, and for all I know, the advent of laser weapons may make the "carrier killer" missile ineffective. I suppose it's a good thing I don't have to make that call.
I've gone back and forth on whether the age of the carrier is over. They're hugely expensive, and a big fat target, but OTOH nothing else provides its global reach, and for all I know, the advent of laser weapons may make the "carrier killer" missile ineffective. I suppose it's a good thing I don't have to make that call.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:06 PM (CsUN+)
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The least expensive round comes from a laser.
Posted by: General Atomics at December 31, 2023 12:07 PM (NBVIP)
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Titrate is a new word for me. I can always get educated here.
*snickers* Titrate. That happens a lot on this site.
How about Uranus?
*snickers* Titrate. That happens a lot on this site.
How about Uranus?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:07 PM (CsUN+)
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A $500 drone destroys a $1M tank
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 12:04 PM (cL4jw)
Is there such a thing as a $1M tank?
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 12:04 PM (cL4jw)
Is there such a thing as a $1M tank?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:08 PM (uzIqO)
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One thing I haven't heard a lot about is the use of drones for targeted assassinations of an adversary's leaders, which I fully expect will become a major element of warfare. It's all very Skynet.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:09 PM (CsUN+)
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The secret to winning any conflict is breaking the enemy's will to fight. Escalate the damage by orders of magnitude for every continued attack against us until they are so demoralized and broken that even picking up a rock becomes unthinkable to them. Or until they are utterly destroyed.
Ender Wiggin figured this out a long time ago in Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game.
Sadly, no one reads the classics anymore....
Ender Wiggin figured this out a long time ago in Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game.
Sadly, no one reads the classics anymore....
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 31, 2023 12:11 PM (BpYfr)
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"We need more victories and fewer proportionate and ultimately inconsequential military adventures. That will save lives...the important ones in our armed forces, and even those among our enemies, since protracted wars, simmering and seething just below the surface ultimately kill more people than a short, swift, violent response."
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I'm being deadly serious when I say this: You use the word "we" to start your statement. The people making the decisions to perpetuate war do not care about the things "we" care about, they're not trying to win wars. They're sure as hell not trying to save lives, and they don't give a shit about whatever purposes "we" have for going to war in the first place.
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I'm being deadly serious when I say this: You use the word "we" to start your statement. The people making the decisions to perpetuate war do not care about the things "we" care about, they're not trying to win wars. They're sure as hell not trying to save lives, and they don't give a shit about whatever purposes "we" have for going to war in the first place.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:11 PM (wCKaf)
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Totally agree, CBD. Well said… to quote Sherman for the umpteenth time: War is hell and you cannot refine it.
Remember the “highway of death” in Iraq war I in 1991? Bush I was so scared of all the horrified journalists he almost immediately ended the war allowing some number of elite republican guard Iraqi forces to escape (and ultimately butcher many Kurds when we abandoned them)
I heard Tucker Carlson interviewing some former military officer recently (McGregor?) who is usually smart. Yet even he was babbling nonsense about how Israel needed to use “proportionality” in their Gaza response. It’s hard to understand how terrible war is…. But people would do well to try. Military history is very worthwhile reading… I’m reading about the Battle of the Somme. It helps one to understand that war is not a game and when it’s done, best be done quickly
Remember the “highway of death” in Iraq war I in 1991? Bush I was so scared of all the horrified journalists he almost immediately ended the war allowing some number of elite republican guard Iraqi forces to escape (and ultimately butcher many Kurds when we abandoned them)
I heard Tucker Carlson interviewing some former military officer recently (McGregor?) who is usually smart. Yet even he was babbling nonsense about how Israel needed to use “proportionality” in their Gaza response. It’s hard to understand how terrible war is…. But people would do well to try. Military history is very worthwhile reading… I’m reading about the Battle of the Somme. It helps one to understand that war is not a game and when it’s done, best be done quickly
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 31, 2023 12:11 PM (MW0on)
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What's a titrate?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 31, 2023 12:12 PM (/QIWP)
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Israel should have leveled Gaza, and saved the hundreds of soldiers who have died and will die in their careful campaign to destroy only Hamas infrastructure, and kill only Hamas terrorists.
And then the EU would have blocked all trade with Israel, forbidden Israelis from traveling to Europe and EU citizens from traveling to Israel, formally started charging Israelis with war crimes, and started arresting all Israeli citizens resident in their counties. We would not be far behind the EU in doing that.
A large part of asymmetric warfare is the political dimension.
And then the EU would have blocked all trade with Israel, forbidden Israelis from traveling to Europe and EU citizens from traveling to Israel, formally started charging Israelis with war crimes, and started arresting all Israeli citizens resident in their counties. We would not be far behind the EU in doing that.
A large part of asymmetric warfare is the political dimension.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 31, 2023 12:12 PM (YAtuc)
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What's a titrate?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 31, 2023 12:12 PM (/QIWP)
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$20, same as in town...(had to be said)
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 31, 2023 12:12 PM (/QIWP)
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$20, same as in town...(had to be said)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 31, 2023 12:13 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 31, 2023 12:13 PM (/QIWP)
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The least expensive round comes from a laser.
Posted by: General Atomics at December 31, 2023 12:07 PM (NBVIP)
Nah, the least expensive one is where you put a manufactured virus out there, then give everyone a "vaccine" to combat it.
Self-perpetuating murder particles.
Posted by: General Atomics at December 31, 2023 12:07 PM (NBVIP)
Nah, the least expensive one is where you put a manufactured virus out there, then give everyone a "vaccine" to combat it.
Self-perpetuating murder particles.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:13 PM (ZaGfH)
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We need more victories and fewer proportionate and ultimately inconsequential military adventures
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To get that we need to get the politicians out of military spending.
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To get that we need to get the politicians out of military spending.
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 12:14 PM (A5THL)
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My answer would be: Stay out of places with stone-age "adversaries" in the first place, but nobody who works in the board rooms of Lockheed and Raytheon, or the Pentagon (same people?) listens to me.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:06 PM (XXfLD)
So we shouldn't protect our trade routes?
That makes no sense.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:06 PM (XXfLD)
So we shouldn't protect our trade routes?
That makes no sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:14 PM (gSZYf)
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$20. Same as in town.
Posted by: Heh at December 31, 2023 12:15 PM (NBVIP)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 31, 2023 12:15 PM (MDg/2)
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Nah, the least expensive one is where you put a manufactured virus out there, then give everyone a "vaccine" to combat it.
Self-perpetuating murder particles.
I can see no way this could go wrong.
Self-perpetuating murder particles.
I can see no way this could go wrong.
Posted by: Dr. Robert Neville at December 31, 2023 12:15 PM (CsUN+)
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Still topical although willowed...
I would hazard a guess that the Toyota Hilux "technicals" are only effective against unarmed or under-armed villagers. and not near-peer or superior-armed opponents.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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You think the Boyz in the Hood will have APCs??
I would hazard a guess that the Toyota Hilux "technicals" are only effective against unarmed or under-armed villagers. and not near-peer or superior-armed opponents.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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You think the Boyz in the Hood will have APCs??
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 12:16 PM (2yu8s)
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The asymmetry is from the Left being evil and the Left being in charge.
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 12:16 PM (Eeb9P)
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For what purpose does the senator from Raytheon rise?
Posted by: The senator from Lockheed Martin at December 31, 2023 12:17 PM (NBVIP)
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Target And Kill The Leaders.
No more "Marquess Of Queensberry" rules or rules of any kind.
Your a leader of this shithole country or that terror group, you and all your kin die.
If Ho Chi Minh had his head blown off in 1965, and anyone taking his place the same, the Vietnam War would have ended in 1966.
Rinse and repeat. Use tactical nukes if you need to.
No more "Marquess Of Queensberry" rules or rules of any kind.
Your a leader of this shithole country or that terror group, you and all your kin die.
If Ho Chi Minh had his head blown off in 1965, and anyone taking his place the same, the Vietnam War would have ended in 1966.
Rinse and repeat. Use tactical nukes if you need to.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 31, 2023 12:18 PM (R/m4+)
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You guys worry too much. As this Lt Colonel says, we will be victorious with diversity and inclusion.
I bet his balls get cold in that skirt.
http://tinyurl.com/fejccdc5
I bet his balls get cold in that skirt.
http://tinyurl.com/fejccdc5
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:18 PM (ZLI7S)
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And then the EU would have blocked all trade with Israel, forbidden Israelis from traveling to Europe and EU citizens from traveling to Israel, formally started charging Israelis with war crimes, and started arresting all Israeli citizens resident in their counties.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 31, 2023 12:12 PM (YAtuc)
The EU pulls a lot of that shit already.
But the EU needs Israel for lots and lots of things...I doubt they would go that far.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 31, 2023 12:12 PM (YAtuc)
The EU pulls a lot of that shit already.
But the EU needs Israel for lots and lots of things...I doubt they would go that far.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:18 PM (gSZYf)
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Military drone tech is moving at an even faster pace than airplane tech did. Consider the leaps made in the airplane between 1914 and 1918, going from being just a useful artillery spotter to ground attack fighters and bombers.
The scary thing is, the Lancet is at the 1915-level of advancement. Models with night vision capability have only emerged in the last month or so. Yesterday I saw my first video of a dedicated "anti-drone" drone, armed with a shotgun device.
The scary thing is, the Lancet is at the 1915-level of advancement. Models with night vision capability have only emerged in the last month or so. Yesterday I saw my first video of a dedicated "anti-drone" drone, armed with a shotgun device.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 31, 2023 12:20 PM (yWvc2)
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11-Is there such a thing as a $1M tank?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:08 PM (uzIqO)
Todys M1 Abrams tank cost $10M
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:08 PM (uzIqO)
Todys M1 Abrams tank cost $10M
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 12:20 PM (A5THL)
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Speaking of total war, that is what the Georgia Bulldogs waged against FSU yesterday in the Orange Bowl. Final score: 63-3
Putting to bed with an exclamation point the nonsense that FSU deserved a spot in the CFP without their starting QB…. Sorry for the OT but… heh
Putting to bed with an exclamation point the nonsense that FSU deserved a spot in the CFP without their starting QB…. Sorry for the OT but… heh
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 31, 2023 12:20 PM (MW0on)
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Ite not a total loss until we agree to rebuild Gaza and Ukraine.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 31, 2023 12:20 PM (nnp+f)
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Absolutely spot on CBD.
I would add that in the arsenal to win wars should be a budget big enough for an intelligence infrastructure that covers the spectrum of "INTs" so as to know when an enemy is going to strike. Or that we can at least who the enemy is. Then secondly, have the willingness to strike first, hard, brutally, totally, to take that enemy off the board.
I would add that in the arsenal to win wars should be a budget big enough for an intelligence infrastructure that covers the spectrum of "INTs" so as to know when an enemy is going to strike. Or that we can at least who the enemy is. Then secondly, have the willingness to strike first, hard, brutally, totally, to take that enemy off the board.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (W/lyH)
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BTW we just sent 31 of them over there
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (A5THL)
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Military drone tech is moving at an even faster pace than airplane tech did.
Whenever I see one of those Chinese "shows" of thousands of coordinated drones making dragons and such in the air, I get a deep sense of dread.
Whenever I see one of those Chinese "shows" of thousands of coordinated drones making dragons and such in the air, I get a deep sense of dread.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (CsUN+)
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FS who?
Posted by: It was a snoozefest at December 31, 2023 12:22 PM (NBVIP)
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Ender Wiggin figured this out a long time ago in Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game.
Sadly, no one reads the classics anymore....
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 31, 2023 12:11
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True, didn't read it but I did see the movie. Asa Butterfield and Harrison Ford. Do I get any points for that?
Sadly, no one reads the classics anymore....
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 31, 2023 12:11
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True, didn't read it but I did see the movie. Asa Butterfield and Harrison Ford. Do I get any points for that?
Posted by: olddog in mo at December 31, 2023 12:22 PM (ju2Fy)
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This is well written.
There's another aspect to bending over backwards to present "better optics" and avoid "collateral damage at the expense of your own forces." Those people who you consider collateral damage need to be a cog in ending the conflict as well. No where is this more obvious than Gaza. The Palestinians are complicit in the actions of Hamas as they condone their behavior and applaud their results (whether in truth or under duress). BUT, if they have skin in the fight (IOW, might become a casualty and suffer the same fate as Hamas)...then they are motivated to disallow such terror organizations free reign to start with.
The discount items of destruction that you note only exist in a successful fashion because of the rules we impose on ourselves in an effort to protect those who condoned their use by either encouraging or doing nothing.
There's another aspect to bending over backwards to present "better optics" and avoid "collateral damage at the expense of your own forces." Those people who you consider collateral damage need to be a cog in ending the conflict as well. No where is this more obvious than Gaza. The Palestinians are complicit in the actions of Hamas as they condone their behavior and applaud their results (whether in truth or under duress). BUT, if they have skin in the fight (IOW, might become a casualty and suffer the same fate as Hamas)...then they are motivated to disallow such terror organizations free reign to start with.
The discount items of destruction that you note only exist in a successful fashion because of the rules we impose on ourselves in an effort to protect those who condoned their use by either encouraging or doing nothing.
Posted by: Orson at December 31, 2023 12:22 PM (dIske)
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We didn’t show up on purpose!
Posted by: Seminoles at December 31, 2023 12:24 PM (Eeb9P)
Posted by: So there's that at December 31, 2023 12:24 PM (NBVIP)
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Absolutely spot on CBD.
I would add that in the arsenal to win wars should be a budget big enough for an intelligence infrastructure that covers the spectrum of "INTs" so as to know when an enemy is going to strike. Or that we can at least who the enemy is. Then secondly, have the willingness to strike first, hard, brutally, totally, to take that enemy off the board.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (W/lyH)
I really shouldn’t agree with your war fighting expertise, Diogenes, which I greatly respect. But….. given the track record of our IC and how they break rules and violate our civil liberties with impunity, I’ve decided I do NOT want a robust intelligence capability because it’ll be turned back on me (and other normal citizens who happen to disagree with the party line)
I would add that in the arsenal to win wars should be a budget big enough for an intelligence infrastructure that covers the spectrum of "INTs" so as to know when an enemy is going to strike. Or that we can at least who the enemy is. Then secondly, have the willingness to strike first, hard, brutally, totally, to take that enemy off the board.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (W/lyH)
I really shouldn’t agree with your war fighting expertise, Diogenes, which I greatly respect. But….. given the track record of our IC and how they break rules and violate our civil liberties with impunity, I’ve decided I do NOT want a robust intelligence capability because it’ll be turned back on me (and other normal citizens who happen to disagree with the party line)
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 31, 2023 12:25 PM (MW0on)
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Get the lawyers out of the military and then make holes out of the countries that start shit.
Posted by: nckate at December 31, 2023 12:25 PM (EPm6B)
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Is there such a thing as a $1M tank?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:08 PM (uzIqO)
Todys M1 Abrams tank cost $10M
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 12:20 PM (A5THL)
Of course, if we're continuing with the Toyota theme, if Toyota made the Abrams, the base model would have an MSRP of 1 mil, but with all the googah they put on them, it would be impossible to actually find one that sells for less than 10 mil.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:08 PM (uzIqO)
Todys M1 Abrams tank cost $10M
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 12:20 PM (A5THL)
Of course, if we're continuing with the Toyota theme, if Toyota made the Abrams, the base model would have an MSRP of 1 mil, but with all the googah they put on them, it would be impossible to actually find one that sells for less than 10 mil.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:25 PM (KkWbe)
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"The humanising of war? You might as well talk about the humanizing of Hell!.. The essence of war is violence! Moderation in war is imbecility!.. I am not for war, I am for peace!.. If you rub it in both at home and abroad that you are ready for instant war and intend to be first in and hit your enemy in the belly and kick him when he is down and boil your prisoners in oil (if you take any), and torture his women and children, then people will keep clear of you." - Admiral Sir John Fisher RN
"The humanising of war? You might as well talk about the humanizing of Hell!.. The essence of war is violence! Moderation in war is imbecility!.. I am not for war, I am for peace!.. If you rub it in both at home and abroad that you are ready for instant war and intend to be first in and hit your enemy in the belly and kick him when he is down and boil your prisoners in oil (if you take any), and torture his women and children, then people will keep clear of you." - Admiral Sir John Fisher RN
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 31, 2023 12:26 PM (E8h6R)
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I thought Ender Wiggins was Mr Tudball's secretary on the Carol Burnett Show??
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 12:27 PM (2yu8s)
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What has changed in warfare isn't so much the tools as it is the will to win. We have enough conventional weapons to wipe Iran off the face of the earth, even the drone factories. What we lack is the will to use them.
The IDF is giving the world a lesson on sheer will. That is what winning looks like.
The IDF is giving the world a lesson on sheer will. That is what winning looks like.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:27 PM (ZLI7S)
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I would add that in the arsenal to win wars should be a budget big enough for an intelligence infrastructure that covers the spectrum of "INTs" so as to know when an enemy is going to strike. Or that we can at least who the enemy is.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (W/lyH)
That makes sense, but the political apparatus governing our military takes that intelligence and uses it to craft a perfect response....one that ultimately falls short.
My point is that the immediate military response to a Houthi attack on international shipping is to destroy the Houthi military infrastructure. Nothing else makes any logical sense.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (W/lyH)
That makes sense, but the political apparatus governing our military takes that intelligence and uses it to craft a perfect response....one that ultimately falls short.
My point is that the immediate military response to a Houthi attack on international shipping is to destroy the Houthi military infrastructure. Nothing else makes any logical sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:28 PM (gSZYf)
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Ender Wiggin figured this out a long time ago in Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game.
Sadly, no one reads the classics anymore....
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 31, 2023 12:11
We can't read Orson Scott Card anymore because he is a (shuffles notes...) icky Mormon who said things in an interview that we disagreed with!
Sadly, no one reads the classics anymore....
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 31, 2023 12:11
We can't read Orson Scott Card anymore because he is a (shuffles notes...) icky Mormon who said things in an interview that we disagreed with!
Posted by: The Woke at December 31, 2023 12:28 PM (yWvc2)
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Whenever I see one of those Chinese "shows" of thousands of coordinated drones making dragons and such in the air, I get a deep sense of dread.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (CsUN+)
Ditto.
I drive past McChord AFB and can see 18 beautiful C-17's sitting there less than a mile from the fence where I can park my car. Several billion in aircraft that are in range of the cheapest drone.
Have said it before, the company that can develop an effective, multispectrum anti-drone system will make millions.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (CsUN+)
Ditto.
I drive past McChord AFB and can see 18 beautiful C-17's sitting there less than a mile from the fence where I can park my car. Several billion in aircraft that are in range of the cheapest drone.
Have said it before, the company that can develop an effective, multispectrum anti-drone system will make millions.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:28 PM (W/lyH)
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The official theory behind continued aid to Ukraine now is that if Russia wins in Ukraine, Russia will then quickly invade NATO, triggering off a NATO-Russia war.
The only slight problem with this theory is that no-one believes it, with the partial exception of Poland.
When Germany violated the Munich Agreement and took the rest of Czechoslovakia in 1938, Britain and France began frantically rearming, since it was obvious that war was likely imminent.
No NATO country besides Poland is rearming at all, and it's unclear the new pro-EU government in Poland will continue the arms expenditures of the prior right-wing government.
So, the official position of the NATO countries is: "Yeah, we're probably going to go to war with Russia, but we're not going to cut our social welfare expenditures to rebuild our militaries."
That's real plausible.
The only slight problem with this theory is that no-one believes it, with the partial exception of Poland.
When Germany violated the Munich Agreement and took the rest of Czechoslovakia in 1938, Britain and France began frantically rearming, since it was obvious that war was likely imminent.
No NATO country besides Poland is rearming at all, and it's unclear the new pro-EU government in Poland will continue the arms expenditures of the prior right-wing government.
So, the official position of the NATO countries is: "Yeah, we're probably going to go to war with Russia, but we're not going to cut our social welfare expenditures to rebuild our militaries."
That's real plausible.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 31, 2023 12:29 PM (YAtuc)
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I'm all for it, but I also feel like pointing out another way to deal with this which is also utterly antithetical to 21st century Western military doctrine, which is fielding a larger number of moderately expensive units instead of a small number of exorbitantly expensive units. The Allied war machine didn't steamroll Europe in WWII by having the best tank, airplane, or soldier; we did it by having a fairly good tank, airplane, and soldier, which could be mass produced. And the powers that be have to be not just willing but fully expecting to take significant casualties (which obviously necessitates the war in question being important enough to justify it to stakeholders).
IMO the most interesting new aircraft project in my lifetime is the Textron Scorpion because it was designed to be cheap and use a lot of off the shelf parts. Perfect for patrols and insurgency suppression, and I suspect that a whole bunch of them could beat an equivalent monetary value of pricey fifth-generation fighters by simply mobbing them.
IMO the most interesting new aircraft project in my lifetime is the Textron Scorpion because it was designed to be cheap and use a lot of off the shelf parts. Perfect for patrols and insurgency suppression, and I suspect that a whole bunch of them could beat an equivalent monetary value of pricey fifth-generation fighters by simply mobbing them.
Posted by: CppThis at December 31, 2023 12:29 PM (PZvjL)
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My point is that the immediate military response to a Houthi attack on international shipping is to destroy the Houthi military infrastructure. Nothing else makes any logical sense.
May we assume "military infrastructure" includes the Houthis themselves?
May we assume "military infrastructure" includes the Houthis themselves?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:29 PM (CsUN+)
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"Yet even he was babbling nonsense about how Israel needed to use “proportionality” in their Gaza response."
From what I can see, Israel IS being "proportionate". They gave due warning, and continue to help actual Gaza civilians escape. Their rhetoric is about protecting the civilians, even as Hamas uses "their own people" as human shields, including hospitals and schools and mosques.
And yeah, a lot of the battle is dealing with so much propaganda, even from the West.
From what I can see, Israel IS being "proportionate". They gave due warning, and continue to help actual Gaza civilians escape. Their rhetoric is about protecting the civilians, even as Hamas uses "their own people" as human shields, including hospitals and schools and mosques.
And yeah, a lot of the battle is dealing with so much propaganda, even from the West.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 31, 2023 12:30 PM (Cus5s)
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A useful question to ask: are our enemies concerned with "optics", "collateral damage" and "proportionality"?
A useful question to ask: are our enemies concerned with "optics", "collateral damage" and "proportionality"?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 31, 2023 12:30 PM (E8h6R)
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Proportionality is for homosexual staffers who like to engage in gay anal sex in the hearing room of the Senate. This is why General Colin Powell is, was and always will be a loser.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 12:30 PM (J3ryZ)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:31 PM (OayQb)
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I bet his balls get cold in that skirt.
http://tinyurl.com/fejccdc5
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:18 PM
Objection! Assumes facts (thankfully) not in evidence.
http://tinyurl.com/fejccdc5
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:18 PM
Objection! Assumes facts (thankfully) not in evidence.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 31, 2023 12:31 PM (TlMqw)
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NATO is not attacking Russia.
Posted by: Seminoles at December 31, 2023 12:31 PM (Eeb9P)
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We sure didn't like it.
Posted by: The residents of Dresden at December 31, 2023 12:32 PM (NBVIP)
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Stupid fu$*#ng sock taking credit for me comments
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 12:32 PM (Eeb9P)
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The Allied war machine didn't steamroll Europe in WWII by having the best tank, airplane, or soldier; we did it by having a fairly good tank, airplane, and soldier, which could be mass produced.
_________
Sherman and T-34: good enough tanks rolling off the assembly line.
Tiger and Panther: exquisitely engineered masterpieces crafted in workshops.
The Allied war machine didn't steamroll Europe in WWII by having the best tank, airplane, or soldier; we did it by having a fairly good tank, airplane, and soldier, which could be mass produced.
_________
Sherman and T-34: good enough tanks rolling off the assembly line.
Tiger and Panther: exquisitely engineered masterpieces crafted in workshops.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 31, 2023 12:32 PM (E8h6R)
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>>The official theory behind continued aid to Ukraine now is that if Russia wins in Ukraine, Russia will then quickly invade NATO, triggering off a NATO-Russia war.
>>The only slight problem with this theory is that no-one believes it, with the partial exception of Poland.
Nobody believes it because it's a lie. I'm going to keep linking this until some of you read this. This is what the current CIA director said 15 years ago when he was the Ambassador to Russia about western countries inviting Georgia, which he also invaded but nobody cares, and Ukraine into NATO. They knew if we kept pushing NATO eastward for no real reason Russia would attack and we did it anyway.
http://tinyurl.com/3fspk29t
>>The only slight problem with this theory is that no-one believes it, with the partial exception of Poland.
Nobody believes it because it's a lie. I'm going to keep linking this until some of you read this. This is what the current CIA director said 15 years ago when he was the Ambassador to Russia about western countries inviting Georgia, which he also invaded but nobody cares, and Ukraine into NATO. They knew if we kept pushing NATO eastward for no real reason Russia would attack and we did it anyway.
http://tinyurl.com/3fspk29t
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:34 PM (ZLI7S)
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Why spend $225M on a multi-role jet like an F-16 or F-35 when a $22.5K drone can accomplish basically the same mission?
That's the direction "affordable warfare" is going.
That's the direction "affordable warfare" is going.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:34 PM (Q4IgG)
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There will never be a lack of people who want to see us dead and our nation overrun. Centuries of history and human nature prove that true. I'm extraordinarily anti war and frankly I think we've fought too many unnecessarily, and without clear objectives for victory. That said there will be wars we should and must fight, but people largely don't have the stomach for them. They falsely believe war is some push button adventure where only the enemy will die. Any war worth fighting is never like that, nor dare I say should it be. Cheap battlefield innovations are always followed by other developments that render them useless. It will be the same with drones and other measures to which we've already developed numerous EW countermeasures. Nonetheless one thing that never changes is that weak, feckless responses will only invite more attacks. That's as old as time and will never change. The Houthis are proving that once again, as Biden as his globalist cronies, who stated Trump wrongly put them on the terrorist list", bow to their ideology instead of crushing them as we should. It's a dangerous world, and Democrats are making it worse.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:34 PM (rgYFf)
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NATO is not attacking Russia.
Posted by: Seminoles at December 31, 2023 12:31 PM (Eeb9P)
*Russia, as it blows up NATO equipment in Ukraine*
Pleased to not be in your mouth, cumming.
Posted by: Seminoles at December 31, 2023 12:31 PM (Eeb9P)
*Russia, as it blows up NATO equipment in Ukraine*
Pleased to not be in your mouth, cumming.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:35 PM (uRyse)
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Consider the leaps made in the airplane between 1914 and 1918
The Kettering Bug drone first flew in 1918. In addition to Charles Kettering, Orville Wright and Elmer Sperry had their names on the patent. The guidance system was built by the Aeolian Player Piano Company. By the end of the war, the British were using rocket thrust and radio control. Our shit is perhaps not quite so hot as we take it to be.
The Kettering Bug drone first flew in 1918. In addition to Charles Kettering, Orville Wright and Elmer Sperry had their names on the patent. The guidance system was built by the Aeolian Player Piano Company. By the end of the war, the British were using rocket thrust and radio control. Our shit is perhaps not quite so hot as we take it to be.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 31, 2023 12:35 PM (FCs/J)
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McNamara's delusion perniciously persists to the detriment of American and Allied lives.
Teddy said to speak softly and carry a big stick. Today DC crowd pleads softly and carries no stick.
Teddy said to speak softly and carry a big stick. Today DC crowd pleads softly and carries no stick.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:35 PM (XiykH)
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My point is that the immediate military response to a Houthi attack on international shipping is to destroy the Houthi military infrastructure. Nothing else makes any logical sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:28 PM (gSZYf)
Completely agree.
But I was approaching this from the perspective of in a perfect world.
PS...here in the real world, seeing the naval task force under command of the US fall apart is illuminating. Shows just how far American influence and leadership has fallen. I don't know who the task force commander is but somebody somewhere pissed off the allies, or the commander is really unqualified.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:28 PM (gSZYf)
Completely agree.
But I was approaching this from the perspective of in a perfect world.
PS...here in the real world, seeing the naval task force under command of the US fall apart is illuminating. Shows just how far American influence and leadership has fallen. I don't know who the task force commander is but somebody somewhere pissed off the allies, or the commander is really unqualified.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:35 PM (W/lyH)
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Since the end of WWII we haven’t won any war in such a fashion: complete and total obliteration of the will to wage war by Germany and Japan. Their cities were rubble and two Japanese cities saw mushroom clouds. I don’t think we’d be prepared to do that in 2024. Do we have any Curtis LeMay’s or George Patton’s in today’s military?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (MW0on)
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That asshole Zalenskyy is the perfect example. He's running around the globe, bribing, begging, raping, stealing, molesting, complaining, borrowing, accepting and raping money from anyone and everyone he can sucker into his orbit.
Russia should have whacked his ass and his entire family on day 1 of their effort to liberate Ukraine from the Global Gangsters.
Russia should have whacked his ass and his entire family on day 1 of their effort to liberate Ukraine from the Global Gangsters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (R/m4+)
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No NATO country besides Poland is rearming at all, and it's unclear the new pro-EU government in Poland will continue the arms expenditures of the prior right-wing government.
Please stop spreading falsehoods.
Since 2014, when Russia illegally annexed Crimea and intervened in eastern Ukraine, and especially since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the Baltic states have stepped up their own efforts to build strong defences.
In 2014, NATO members agreed that within ten years they would all spend at least 2% of their GDP on defence. According to NATO’s latest estimates, only nine of the 31 allies have so far achieved this goal... The Baltic states are all amongst the nine. While Estonia managed to sustain high levels of defence spending throughout the 2007-8 global financial crisis and beyond, Latvia and Lithuania have substantially increased their spending since around 2014 to reach the target.
All three countries also expect to increase defence expenditure further, with political opinions converging on 3% of GDP as a more appropriate target for today’s security environment.
http://tinyurl.com/yc54a6e2
Please stop spreading falsehoods.
Since 2014, when Russia illegally annexed Crimea and intervened in eastern Ukraine, and especially since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the Baltic states have stepped up their own efforts to build strong defences.
In 2014, NATO members agreed that within ten years they would all spend at least 2% of their GDP on defence. According to NATO’s latest estimates, only nine of the 31 allies have so far achieved this goal... The Baltic states are all amongst the nine. While Estonia managed to sustain high levels of defence spending throughout the 2007-8 global financial crisis and beyond, Latvia and Lithuania have substantially increased their spending since around 2014 to reach the target.
All three countries also expect to increase defence expenditure further, with political opinions converging on 3% of GDP as a more appropriate target for today’s security environment.
http://tinyurl.com/yc54a6e2
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (CsUN+)
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The Allies worked to bring old technology to its ultimate stage and bring it to the battlefield in large numbers.
The Germans expended enormous effort on next-generation technology, which was too little, too late and too immature.
The Allies worked to bring old technology to its ultimate stage and bring it to the battlefield in large numbers.
The Germans expended enormous effort on next-generation technology, which was too little, too late and too immature.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (E8h6R)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (ZLI7S)
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Why spend $225M on a multi-role jet like an F-16 or F-35 when a $22.5K drone can accomplish basically the same mission?
That's the direction "affordable warfare" is going.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:34 PM (Q4IgG)
That's like asking oligarchs why they take private jets to Davos for their climate conferences, when they can fly coach.
That's the direction "affordable warfare" is going.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:34 PM (Q4IgG)
That's like asking oligarchs why they take private jets to Davos for their climate conferences, when they can fly coach.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:37 PM (VA2uw)
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Tiger and Panther: exquisitely engineered masterpieces crafted in workshops.
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It's a piece of junk, Oddball!
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It's a piece of junk, Oddball!
Posted by: Moriartity at December 31, 2023 12:38 PM (2yu8s)
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Sherman and T-34: good enough tanks rolling off the assembly line.
Good enough was probably not good enough for the poor saps stuck in inferior tanks. It would suck to know that taking on a German Tiger would result in 3 out of 4 of you being destroyed.
Good enough was probably not good enough for the poor saps stuck in inferior tanks. It would suck to know that taking on a German Tiger would result in 3 out of 4 of you being destroyed.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:39 PM (CsUN+)
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In World War II the US Navy operationally tested an unmanned remote control drone with TV guidance. The Germans deployed the Fritz X much to the detriment of the Italian battleship Roma.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:39 PM (XiykH)
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The Germans expended enormous effort on next-generation technology, which was too little, too late and too immature.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (E8h6R)
Had they not perpetrated the Final Solution they would have had more than enough Jewish physicists to build a bomb before we did.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (E8h6R)
Had they not perpetrated the Final Solution they would have had more than enough Jewish physicists to build a bomb before we did.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:39 PM (gSZYf)
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I'm being deadly serious when I say this: You use the word "we" to start your statement. The people making the decisions to perpetuate war do not care about the things "we" care about, they're not trying to win wars. They're sure as hell not trying to save lives, and they don't give a shit about whatever purposes "we" have for going to war in the first place.
Posted by: BurtTC
100% support and defend this statement.
/sarc
Vote harder
\sarc
I'm being deadly serious when I say this: You use the word "we" to start your statement. The people making the decisions to perpetuate war do not care about the things "we" care about, they're not trying to win wars. They're sure as hell not trying to save lives, and they don't give a shit about whatever purposes "we" have for going to war in the first place.
Posted by: BurtTC
100% support and defend this statement.
/sarc
Vote harder
\sarc
Posted by: BifBewalski at December 31, 2023 12:39 PM (3CCua)
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I don't know who the task force commander is but somebody somewhere pissed off the allies, or the commander is really unqualified.
Maybe he looks really fetching in a skirt?
Maybe he looks really fetching in a skirt?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:40 PM (CsUN+)
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Late to the game.
A military such as ours needs to make use of commodified (but slightly upgraded) versions of the same tech as part of our arsenal.
Tactics have always changed as technology made some of them obsolete. You don't see the repeated mass charges of men trying to get to to the other side like in WW1 because the machine gun was so good at killing.
Also important is the ability to develop tech to sabotage and redirect your enemies commodified weapons; COTS-made stuff has lots of security vulnerabilites.
A military such as ours needs to make use of commodified (but slightly upgraded) versions of the same tech as part of our arsenal.
Tactics have always changed as technology made some of them obsolete. You don't see the repeated mass charges of men trying to get to to the other side like in WW1 because the machine gun was so good at killing.
Also important is the ability to develop tech to sabotage and redirect your enemies commodified weapons; COTS-made stuff has lots of security vulnerabilites.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:40 PM (ynpvh)
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My point is that the immediate military response to a Houthi attack on international shipping is to destroy the Houthi military infrastructure. Nothing else makes any logical sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:28 PM (gSZYf)
I'm quite surprised the US hasn't launched a full on land invasion of Yemen, a la Afghanistan, since that is what our military has evolved to do.
Maybe the panicked flight from Afghanistan left the US military unable to invade even a shithole country like Yemen.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:28 PM (gSZYf)
I'm quite surprised the US hasn't launched a full on land invasion of Yemen, a la Afghanistan, since that is what our military has evolved to do.
Maybe the panicked flight from Afghanistan left the US military unable to invade even a shithole country like Yemen.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (yWvc2)
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I am not a proponent of the war In Ukraine. But you'd be foolish to believe the Russians don't see stomping their sovereignty as a win, and weakness on our part. They see the same things in the White House we all see, and it would be a grave miscalculation to think the Russians, now with their Chinese allies and presence in South America, would stop there. They may not "invade" a NATO, but they will step up IW ops and proxy use where they can.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (rgYFf)
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Shopping trip was horrible
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (cL4jw)
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Military drone tech is moving at an even faster pace than airplane tech did.
Whenever I see one of those Chinese "shows" of thousands of coordinated drones making dragons and such in the air, I get a deep sense of dread.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (CsUN+)
THIS.
Whenever I see one of those Chinese "shows" of thousands of coordinated drones making dragons and such in the air, I get a deep sense of dread.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:21 PM (CsUN+)
THIS.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (BdMk6)
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You don't see the repeated mass charges of men trying to get to to the other side like in WW1 because the machine gun was so good at killing.
The Russians are using human wave tactics in Ukraine. It's insanity, but apparently they're not concerned with casualties.
The Russians are using human wave tactics in Ukraine. It's insanity, but apparently they're not concerned with casualties.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (CsUN+)
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Since weapons are so cheap is there any alternative to ruthlessly killing the people operating the weapons?
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (TeAFy)
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> PS...here in the real world, seeing the naval task force under command of the US fall apart is illuminating. Shows just how far American influence and leadership has fallen. I don't know who the task force commander is but somebody somewhere pissed off the allies, or the commander is really unqualified.
Posted by: Diogenes
__________________
The US and the Europeans have totally incompatible goals in the Red Sea / Houthi situation. The US wants to expand Iran's influence without being overt about it. The Europeans want their commercial shipping assets protected. The US isn't interested in that. Oh, they'll down some drones and missiles when they can, to keep up appearances, but generally speaking they don't give a fuck what's at stake with regards to maritime - shipping operations.
Posted by: Diogenes
__________________
The US and the Europeans have totally incompatible goals in the Red Sea / Houthi situation. The US wants to expand Iran's influence without being overt about it. The Europeans want their commercial shipping assets protected. The US isn't interested in that. Oh, they'll down some drones and missiles when they can, to keep up appearances, but generally speaking they don't give a fuck what's at stake with regards to maritime - shipping operations.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (Q4IgG)
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Russia should have whacked his ass and his entire family on day 1 of their effort to liberate Ukraine from the Global Gangsters.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (R/m4+)
I certainly don't know all there is to know about that conflict, but I suspect Pootin did vastly underestimate the extent to which the U.S. was prepared to protect the guy.
They probably thought they had time to go in and get him, and put him up for a show trial. Or maybe they didn't care, because they know he's a puppet. Either way, I think if they could do things differently, they'd have taken him out early, and before the first shipment from Raytheon showed up, they'd have declared a ceasefire, and told the world they were just taking back Russian territory, and were ready to negotiate.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 31, 2023 12:36 PM (R/m4+)
I certainly don't know all there is to know about that conflict, but I suspect Pootin did vastly underestimate the extent to which the U.S. was prepared to protect the guy.
They probably thought they had time to go in and get him, and put him up for a show trial. Or maybe they didn't care, because they know he's a puppet. Either way, I think if they could do things differently, they'd have taken him out early, and before the first shipment from Raytheon showed up, they'd have declared a ceasefire, and told the world they were just taking back Russian territory, and were ready to negotiate.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (kIwYf)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 12:42 PM (2yu8s)
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Our global conflicts with adversaries turned into the NFL's Redzone when guys like General Petraeus and his counter insurgency strategy and mealy-mouthed fuckos like Admiral Kirby became strategists.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 12:42 PM (J3ryZ)
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As this Lt Colonel says, we will be victorious with diversity and inclusion.
WASTF
Honestly, when Barky started purging the military I didn't think it would work. He was right; I was wrong. "Fundamentally change the nation" -- promise made, promise kept.
WASTF
Honestly, when Barky started purging the military I didn't think it would work. He was right; I was wrong. "Fundamentally change the nation" -- promise made, promise kept.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 31, 2023 12:43 PM (KiydY)
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89 You don't see the repeated mass charges of men trying to get to to the other side like in WW1 because the machine gun was so good at killing.
The Russians are using human wave tactics in Ukraine. It's insanity, but apparently they're not concerned with casualties.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (CsUN+)
Works if you have enough men and expect to other side to run out of bullets.
The Russians are using human wave tactics in Ukraine. It's insanity, but apparently they're not concerned with casualties.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (CsUN+)
Works if you have enough men and expect to other side to run out of bullets.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:43 PM (ynpvh)
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They may not "invade" a NATO, but they will step up IW ops and proxy use where they can.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (rgYFf)
Thirty years ago "NATO" was 1000 miles further to the west.
If they step on any NATO toes now, it's because NATO is where it doesn't belong, and where we promised it would never be.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (rgYFf)
Thirty years ago "NATO" was 1000 miles further to the west.
If they step on any NATO toes now, it's because NATO is where it doesn't belong, and where we promised it would never be.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (8NXXj)
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Iran-Iraq War
Iran was using children as mine detectors. They were promised Paradise as a reward.
Iran was using children as mine detectors. They were promised Paradise as a reward.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (XiykH)
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If our illustrious influencers at Foggy Bottom weren't so high on their own supply they'd have spent the 90s convincing Russia to join NATO and rebrand the organization as a sort of UN alternative that's actually useful. Instead we pretended that Russia didn't exist until it was time to make them the archenemy again.
Posted by: CppThis at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (PZvjL)
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>>>The Shrinking Cost of War Threatens Western Militaries
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It only threatens us because we do not address these threats appropriately. We are timid they are not. They are aggressive we are not. That is the problem. Just like at home we allow the fools to rule and the barbarians to take over.
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It only threatens us because we do not address these threats appropriately. We are timid they are not. They are aggressive we are not. That is the problem. Just like at home we allow the fools to rule and the barbarians to take over.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (HO/bY)
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The naval task force purpose was purely defensive. Nobody was signing up for that. We could end a lot of the hostilities pretty quickly by going on offense and direct action. But remember that Biden and the Euro Trash promptly took the Houthis off the terrorist list when Granpa took office. Not only that but they took shots at Trump for doing it. They all look like the idiots they are right now and have been pushed into the corner of shame.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (rgYFf)
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>>My point is that the immediate military response to a Houthi attack on international shipping is to destroy the Houthi military infrastructure. Nothing else makes any logical sense.
Gotta disagree with you. The Houthis are a weapon just like Hamas and Hezbollah. Taking them out is only a temporary fix.
The cancer is in Tehran. We've known this for decades and the only time since they have been kept in check was under Trump because he recognized where the problem emanated and took steps to make it clear that if they didn't stop they would be eliminated.
We will continue on this never ending story until the mullahs are destroyed.
Gotta disagree with you. The Houthis are a weapon just like Hamas and Hezbollah. Taking them out is only a temporary fix.
The cancer is in Tehran. We've known this for decades and the only time since they have been kept in check was under Trump because he recognized where the problem emanated and took steps to make it clear that if they didn't stop they would be eliminated.
We will continue on this never ending story until the mullahs are destroyed.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)
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Every word, CBD.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (ch/kO)
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So, how does the lancet drone destroy a tank?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (tkR6S)
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What I mean is open, politically accountable, war. The proxy war will continue until Putin dies and the color rev occurs.
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (Eeb9P)
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98 Iran-Iraq War
Iran was using children as mine detectors. They were promised Paradise as a reward.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (XiykH)
Someone told me this one:
In Cambodia and Vietnam, women used to walk 10ft behind their husbands. After the war, they walked 10 feet in FRONT of their husbands...
Iran was using children as mine detectors. They were promised Paradise as a reward.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (XiykH)
Someone told me this one:
In Cambodia and Vietnam, women used to walk 10ft behind their husbands. After the war, they walked 10 feet in FRONT of their husbands...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (ynpvh)
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They all look like the idiots they are right now and have been pushed into the corner of shame.
You assume they are capable of shame. I don't.
You assume they are capable of shame. I don't.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:47 PM (CsUN+)
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Martini Farmer @ 91.
I think there is a lot to what you are saying.
US interests in the region have never aligned well with the countries in the eastern Med.
And today, I genuinely wonder if our State Department betters are even intellectually up to the task?
I think there is a lot to what you are saying.
US interests in the region have never aligned well with the countries in the eastern Med.
And today, I genuinely wonder if our State Department betters are even intellectually up to the task?
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:47 PM (W/lyH)
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We will continue on this never ending story until the mullahs are destroyed.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)
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Shi'ites down.
Sunnis to go!
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)
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Shi'ites down.
Sunnis to go!
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 31, 2023 12:47 PM (ch/kO)
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The US and the Europeans have totally incompatible goals in the Red Sea / Houthi situation. The US wants to expand Iran's influence without being overt about it. The Europeans want their commercial shipping assets protected. The US isn't interested in that. Oh, they'll down some drones and missiles when they can, to keep up appearances, but generally speaking they don't give a fuck what's at stake with regards to maritime - shipping operations.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (Q4IgG)
Personally, I don't care about the Houthis or the Yemeni government, but does anyone ask why the Houthis are so pissed right now?
Do people know we've been funding the Yemeni government to annihilate them for years now?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (Q4IgG)
Personally, I don't care about the Houthis or the Yemeni government, but does anyone ask why the Houthis are so pissed right now?
Do people know we've been funding the Yemeni government to annihilate them for years now?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:47 PM (KkWbe)
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So, how does the lancet drone destroy a tank?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (tkR6S)
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Shaped charge would be my guess.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (tkR6S)
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Shaped charge would be my guess.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (ScR16)
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"If they step on any NATO toes now, it's because NATO is where it doesn't belong, and where we promised it would never be.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (8NXXj)"
So- is your argument that sovereign, independent nations don't have the right to provide for their security through democratic alliances?
Do you also believe the invasion of Crimea, actions in Georgia and ultimately Russias action in the Donbas, where they literally lapsed the population with ethnic Russians and then claimed sovereignty over the region on the premise to protect Russian "citizens" is justified? I'm trying to understand your point.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (8NXXj)"
So- is your argument that sovereign, independent nations don't have the right to provide for their security through democratic alliances?
Do you also believe the invasion of Crimea, actions in Georgia and ultimately Russias action in the Donbas, where they literally lapsed the population with ethnic Russians and then claimed sovereignty over the region on the premise to protect Russian "citizens" is justified? I'm trying to understand your point.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (rgYFf)
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>>>And then the EU would have blocked all trade with Israel, forbidden Israelis from traveling to Europe and EU citizens from traveling to Israel, formally started charging Israelis with war crimes, and started arresting all Israeli citizens resident in their counties. We would not be far behind the EU in doing that.
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That's part of the timidity. You block Israel we block you.
No more NATO funding as of this moment.
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That's part of the timidity. You block Israel we block you.
No more NATO funding as of this moment.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (HO/bY)
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We will continue on this never ending story until the mullahs are destroyed.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)
Then the House of Saud next.
Good luck with all that.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)
Then the House of Saud next.
Good luck with all that.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (XXfLD)
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When confronted with guerrilla tactics, you need to employ guerrilla and anti-guerrilla tactics. There needs to be enough flexibility to adapt to the changing field. Seems like our last few conflicts, we've not been great at doing that.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (ynpvh)
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o, how does the lancet drone destroy a tank?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (tkR6S)
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I'm guessing by hitting the tank from the top and less from the side where the reactive armor might be located.
Hence the cage-like shields you see now on top of Russian (and Israeli) armor.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (tkR6S)
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I'm guessing by hitting the tank from the top and less from the side where the reactive armor might be located.
Hence the cage-like shields you see now on top of Russian (and Israeli) armor.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (ch/kO)
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So, how does the lancet drone destroy a tank?
In combat mode, it can be armed either with high explosive (HE) or HE-fragmentation warheads....the Lancet is employed as a precision battlefield weapon against high-value military targets, usually located by a reconnaissance drone before it gets launched. Although the Lancet is recorded having hit a number of Ukrainian targets, there are also numerous misses. Even if it hits it does not guarantee a kill, sometimes causing minor damage that can be repaired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZALA_Lancet
In combat mode, it can be armed either with high explosive (HE) or HE-fragmentation warheads....the Lancet is employed as a precision battlefield weapon against high-value military targets, usually located by a reconnaissance drone before it gets launched. Although the Lancet is recorded having hit a number of Ukrainian targets, there are also numerous misses. Even if it hits it does not guarantee a kill, sometimes causing minor damage that can be repaired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZALA_Lancet
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (CsUN+)
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This is the same as WW2, where Germany had the Tiger and Panther... ie much better tanks... but we had WAY more Shermans.
The modern US military industrial complex, has been making Panthers... not Shermans.
The modern US military industrial complex, has been making Panthers... not Shermans.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (xaFKb)
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Meanwhile a ship carrying Lith-Ion batteries from Vietnam has caught fire and is presently just off shore from Dutch Harbor Alaska while everyone figures out what to do,
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (XiykH)
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111 So, how does the lancet drone destroy a tank?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (tkR6S)
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Shaped charge would be my guess.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (ScR16)
A tank can be immobilized too. Knock out a set of tracks...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 12:46 PM (tkR6S)
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Shaped charge would be my guess.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (ScR16)
A tank can be immobilized too. Knock out a set of tracks...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (ynpvh)
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119 Meanwhile a ship carrying Lith-Ion batteries from Vietnam has caught fire and is presently just off shore from Dutch Harbor Alaska while everyone figures out what to do,
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (XiykH)
Enjoy the warmth until the boat sinks?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (XiykH)
Enjoy the warmth until the boat sinks?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:51 PM (ynpvh)
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I'm working on a story where we leverage our biochemical expertise to win wars.
Go to a conference, and arrange for the urine of a bad leader to be analyzed for single-nucleotide polymorphisms.
Covalently attach a toxin to a fly, and get the fly to hone in on that leader. Or use a very small UAV with a venom system. By making it specifically about that leader and his genetic cohorts, rapid depletion of a country can be accomplished.
Part of that is the CIA and Deep state funded effort to kneecap the Chinese with COVID-19 Wuhan.
Go to a conference, and arrange for the urine of a bad leader to be analyzed for single-nucleotide polymorphisms.
Covalently attach a toxin to a fly, and get the fly to hone in on that leader. Or use a very small UAV with a venom system. By making it specifically about that leader and his genetic cohorts, rapid depletion of a country can be accomplished.
Part of that is the CIA and Deep state funded effort to kneecap the Chinese with COVID-19 Wuhan.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 12:52 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 12:52 PM (2yu8s)
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Meanwhile a ship carrying Lith-Ion batteries from Vietnam has caught fire and is presently just off shore from Dutch Harbor Alaska while everyone figures out what to do,
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (XiykH)
Enjoy the warmth until the boat sinks?
Dude, that's cold....errrr.....warm.....errr...
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (XiykH)
Enjoy the warmth until the boat sinks?
Dude, that's cold....errrr.....warm.....errr...
Posted by: Archimedes at December 31, 2023 12:52 PM (CsUN+)
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>>Personally, I don't care about the Houthis or the Yemeni government, but does anyone ask why the Houthis are so pissed right now?
Right now? The Houthis are a radical Shiite terrorist mob that has been attacking the Saudis and other non-Shias for years. They are an Iranian proxy and when Iran has money as they do now thanks to the water head in the White House they pay their proxies to attack us.
It's like asking why is Hamas so angry right now. The anger is always there it's the ability to act that has changed.
Right now? The Houthis are a radical Shiite terrorist mob that has been attacking the Saudis and other non-Shias for years. They are an Iranian proxy and when Iran has money as they do now thanks to the water head in the White House they pay their proxies to attack us.
It's like asking why is Hamas so angry right now. The anger is always there it's the ability to act that has changed.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:52 PM (ZLI7S)
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This is the same as WW2, where Germany had the Tiger and Panther... ie much better tanks... but we had WAY more Shermans.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (xaFKb)
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And the Russians had many Katyushas to lob en masse on the Nazis.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (xaFKb)
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And the Russians had many Katyushas to lob en masse on the Nazis.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 31, 2023 12:53 PM (ch/kO)
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122 I'm working on a story where we leverage our biochemical expertise to win wars.
Go to a conference, and arrange for the urine of a bad leader to be analyzed for single-nucleotide polymorphisms.
Covalently attach a toxin to a fly, and get the fly to hone in on that leader. Or use a very small UAV with a venom system. By making it specifically about that leader and his genetic cohorts, rapid depletion of a country can be accomplished.
Part of that is the CIA and Deep state funded effort to kneecap the Chinese with COVID-19 Wuhan.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 12:52 PM (u82oZ)
The show "Fringe" had an episode where you could target a group or a single person if you had DNA. The toxin was keyed and was airborne.
Go to a conference, and arrange for the urine of a bad leader to be analyzed for single-nucleotide polymorphisms.
Covalently attach a toxin to a fly, and get the fly to hone in on that leader. Or use a very small UAV with a venom system. By making it specifically about that leader and his genetic cohorts, rapid depletion of a country can be accomplished.
Part of that is the CIA and Deep state funded effort to kneecap the Chinese with COVID-19 Wuhan.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 12:52 PM (u82oZ)
The show "Fringe" had an episode where you could target a group or a single person if you had DNA. The toxin was keyed and was airborne.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:53 PM (ynpvh)
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jim (in Kalifornia)
You hope the seawater pumps and the bilge drainage systems can keep up with the volumn of water needed to put out that fire.
You hope the seawater pumps and the bilge drainage systems can keep up with the volumn of water needed to put out that fire.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 12:53 PM (u82oZ)
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> Martini Farmer @ 91.
I think there is a lot to what you are saying.
US interests in the region have never aligned well with the countries in the eastern Med.
And today, I genuinely wonder if our State Department betters are even intellectually up to the task?
Posted by: Diogenes
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In addition to gutting literally every policy Trump put in place on day one, the junta also closed the only maritime security operation the US had. It was run by a Coast Guard officer who had experience in maritime / shipping security and general operations.
There's nobody in FedGov with any experience in merchant marine activities who has anything like some clout to make changes to what the USN is doing in the Red Sea and Sea of Aden. But, like I said, the string pullers in the capitol city want Iranian influence to grow. That's directly at odds with what everyone else in the region wants.
If there's a greater war in that area we'll be on the defensive. Perhaps against the very Europeans we've said we'd protect.
I think there is a lot to what you are saying.
US interests in the region have never aligned well with the countries in the eastern Med.
And today, I genuinely wonder if our State Department betters are even intellectually up to the task?
Posted by: Diogenes
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In addition to gutting literally every policy Trump put in place on day one, the junta also closed the only maritime security operation the US had. It was run by a Coast Guard officer who had experience in maritime / shipping security and general operations.
There's nobody in FedGov with any experience in merchant marine activities who has anything like some clout to make changes to what the USN is doing in the Red Sea and Sea of Aden. But, like I said, the string pullers in the capitol city want Iranian influence to grow. That's directly at odds with what everyone else in the region wants.
If there's a greater war in that area we'll be on the defensive. Perhaps against the very Europeans we've said we'd protect.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:54 PM (Q4IgG)
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The US and the Europeans have totally incompatible goals in the Red Sea / Houthi situation. The US wants to expand Iran's influence without being overt about it. The Europeans want their commercial shipping assets protected. The US isn't interested in that. Oh, they'll down some drones and missiles when they can, to keep up appearances, but generally speaking they don't give a fuck what's at stake with regards to maritime - shipping operations.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (Q4IgG)
Correct. The Kalorama/Soros/Schuab cartels wants the world on it's knees begging for food.
The US and the Europeans have totally incompatible goals in the Red Sea / Houthi situation. The US wants to expand Iran's influence without being overt about it. The Europeans want their commercial shipping assets protected. The US isn't interested in that. Oh, they'll down some drones and missiles when they can, to keep up appearances, but generally speaking they don't give a fuck what's at stake with regards to maritime - shipping operations.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 12:41 PM (Q4IgG)
Correct. The Kalorama/Soros/Schuab cartels wants the world on it's knees begging for food.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 31, 2023 12:54 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 12:54 PM (u82oZ)
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The U.S. and Iran are allies. That is the evil that needs to be hidden. The State dept wants to keep the Iran regime and change the Israeli govt.
We know that the regime is pushing money to Muslim tranny groups , is it possible that they want to collapse Iran at some point and have Iran be the first Querty Muslim country?
Wheels in wheels
We know that the regime is pushing money to Muslim tranny groups , is it possible that they want to collapse Iran at some point and have Iran be the first Querty Muslim country?
Wheels in wheels
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 12:54 PM (Eeb9P)
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Do you also believe the invasion of Crimea, actions in Georgia and ultimately Russias action in the Donbas, where they literally lapsed the population with ethnic Russians and then claimed sovereignty over the region on the premise to protect Russian "citizens" is justified? I'm trying to understand your point.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (rgYFf)
I don't care.
You want to get yourself into the middle of a thousand year gripe between ethnic Russians and ethnic others?
I don't. But I know our government has willfully broken promises it made, when we took nooks out of the former Soviet satellite nations. We got the nooks in exchange for not moving NATO the east.
And then immediately started moving NATO to the east. As has been repeatedly stated over and over, our actions in eastern Europe would be the equivalent of the Russians putting missiles on Cooba, and armies in Mexico. And then started arguing that Florida and Texas don't belong to us. How long would we put up with that?
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:49 PM (rgYFf)
I don't care.
You want to get yourself into the middle of a thousand year gripe between ethnic Russians and ethnic others?
I don't. But I know our government has willfully broken promises it made, when we took nooks out of the former Soviet satellite nations. We got the nooks in exchange for not moving NATO the east.
And then immediately started moving NATO to the east. As has been repeatedly stated over and over, our actions in eastern Europe would be the equivalent of the Russians putting missiles on Cooba, and armies in Mexico. And then started arguing that Florida and Texas don't belong to us. How long would we put up with that?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:54 PM (9CYbY)
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Want
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 31, 2023 12:55 PM (BdMk6)
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I agree with your conclusion that total war is now the only logical option; and the US is still.failing to recognize that as shown by our half hearted response to the Houthi threat. (We have the ability to end it completely within 24 hours whenever we choose)
I disagree that Israel hasn't realized this; by all the videos I've seen, they *are* in fact leveling Gaza, they are just doing it slowly and very methodically. But I saw a video of Beit Hanoun earlier today, one of the staging areas for the Oct 7 attacks, and it is a wasteland. Nobody is moving back there for years. We can argue they should have moved more quickly (Biden and Blinken wanted them to) but this was an operational decision by the IDF. And although.all casualties are terrible, IDF casualties have been incredibly low compared to any other urban combat situations.
I disagree that Israel hasn't realized this; by all the videos I've seen, they *are* in fact leveling Gaza, they are just doing it slowly and very methodically. But I saw a video of Beit Hanoun earlier today, one of the staging areas for the Oct 7 attacks, and it is a wasteland. Nobody is moving back there for years. We can argue they should have moved more quickly (Biden and Blinken wanted them to) but this was an operational decision by the IDF. And although.all casualties are terrible, IDF casualties have been incredibly low compared to any other urban combat situations.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 12:55 PM (S6gqv)
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Iran-Iraq War
Iran was using children as mine detectors. They were promised Paradise as a reward.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (XiykH)
I remember reading recently of an Iraqi officer who had to repel repeated Iranian human wave assaults of mostly teenagers and chirruns. Wave after wave until the Iraqis went literally insane from the carnage and little people they were wiping out who would just not stop no matter the body count.
Iran was using children as mine detectors. They were promised Paradise as a reward.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (XiykH)
I remember reading recently of an Iraqi officer who had to repel repeated Iranian human wave assaults of mostly teenagers and chirruns. Wave after wave until the Iraqis went literally insane from the carnage and little people they were wiping out who would just not stop no matter the body count.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 31, 2023 12:55 PM (R/m4+)
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Gotta disagree with you. The Houthis are a weapon just like Hamas and Hezbollah. Taking them out is only a temporary fix.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)
Obviously the head of the snake is in Tehran, but destroying the Houthis and the Syrians loyal to Iran would remove a huge part of their ability to project power. They cannot do it on their own. Then the long-term project of destabilizing Iran and fomenting revolution...or a more direct approach by destroying the nuclear research facilities...becomes much more straightforward.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:45 PM (ZLI7S)
Obviously the head of the snake is in Tehran, but destroying the Houthis and the Syrians loyal to Iran would remove a huge part of their ability to project power. They cannot do it on their own. Then the long-term project of destabilizing Iran and fomenting revolution...or a more direct approach by destroying the nuclear research facilities...becomes much more straightforward.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2023 12:55 PM (gSZYf)
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The Russians are using human wave tactics in Ukraine. It's insanity, but apparently they're not concerned with casualties.
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Yeah, that's why the great Russian Summer Offensive failed.
Oh, wait, that wasn't the Russians, it was the NATO side.
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Yeah, that's why the great Russian Summer Offensive failed.
Oh, wait, that wasn't the Russians, it was the NATO side.
Posted by: Methos at December 31, 2023 12:55 PM (Dnobf)
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35 Ite not a total loss until we agree to rebuild Gaza and Ukraine.
indeed. do we have a plan to win the peace?
indeed. do we have a plan to win the peace?
Posted by: colon pow at December 31, 2023 12:55 PM (M9Zwl)
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The discount items of destruction that you note only exist in a successful fashion because of the rules we impose on ourselves in an effort to protect those who condoned their use by either encouraging or doing nothing.
Posted by: Orson at December 31, 2023 12:22 PM (dIske)
`I agree 100%
Posted by: Orson at December 31, 2023 12:22 PM (dIske)
`I agree 100%
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 12:56 PM (A5THL)
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The Ukrainians are using even more inexpensive drones with mortar and hand grenades to take out tanks and armored personnel carriers
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 12:56 PM (RovqD)
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119 Meanwhile a ship carrying Lith-Ion batteries from Vietnam has caught fire and is presently just off shore from Dutch Harbor Alaska while everyone figures out what to do,
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Where is Green Peace as they swarmed the Exxon Valdez problem?
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Where is Green Peace as they swarmed the Exxon Valdez problem?
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 12:57 PM (HO/bY)
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For a good long read of how the Russo-NATO war got into this state: http://tinyurl.com/ydrf9w6y
TL
R version: Putin went into Ukraine thinking the Ukes would quickly surrender, since they'd obviously been beaten on the battlefield. Instead Ukraine/NATO went into Total War mode. Putin's response was to put Russia into Total War mode.
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R version: Putin went into Ukraine thinking the Ukes would quickly surrender, since they'd obviously been beaten on the battlefield. Instead Ukraine/NATO went into Total War mode. Putin's response was to put Russia into Total War mode.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 31, 2023 12:57 PM (yWvc2)
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119 Meanwhile a ship carrying Lith-Ion batteries from Vietnam has caught fire and is presently just off shore from Dutch Harbor Alaska while everyone figures out what to do,
Posted by: Anna Puma
Not sure what will happen, but you can be sure Mike Rowe will narrate it.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Not sure what will happen, but you can be sure Mike Rowe will narrate it.
Posted by: The residents of Dresden at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (NBVIP)
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Where is Green Peace as they swarmed the Exxon Valdez problem?
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 12:57 PM (HO/bY)
That was icky planet killing oil....Green sleaze
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 12:57 PM (HO/bY)
That was icky planet killing oil....Green sleaze
Posted by: It's me donna at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (n2vyf)
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CharlieBrown'sDildo
The Shah of Iran Crown Prince is in America. We are governed by fools that do not grasp at the proper tools.
The Shah of Iran Crown Prince is in America. We are governed by fools that do not grasp at the proper tools.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (u82oZ)
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Slavs are hella pro at siege warfare so the status quo in Ukraine could go on for quite a long time.
Posted by: CppThis at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (PZvjL)
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Off sock.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (NBVIP)
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As reported above:
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — A large cargo ship with a fire in its hold is being kept 2 miles (3.22 kilometers) offshore of an Alaska port as a precaution while efforts are undertaken to extinguish the flames, the U.S. Coast Guard said Saturday.
There were no injuries to the 19 crew members aboard the Genius Star XI, which was carrying a load of lithium-ion batteries across the Pacific Ocean, from Vietnam to San Diego, the Guard’s Alaska district said in a release.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — A large cargo ship with a fire in its hold is being kept 2 miles (3.22 kilometers) offshore of an Alaska port as a precaution while efforts are undertaken to extinguish the flames, the U.S. Coast Guard said Saturday.
There were no injuries to the 19 crew members aboard the Genius Star XI, which was carrying a load of lithium-ion batteries across the Pacific Ocean, from Vietnam to San Diego, the Guard’s Alaska district said in a release.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (2yu8s)
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"You want to get yourself into the middle of a thousand year gripe between ethnic Russians and ethnic others?"
No, but that's not really the point. The Russians have continually used that pretext to advance their territorial ambitions. I think what people are wondering is where does that stop and how far does it go until it gets to a place that matters. I conversely believe that any nation who wants to join NATO should, but that positioning nuclear or advanced weaponry on their territory shouldn't be done. That stabilizes the status quo.
No, but that's not really the point. The Russians have continually used that pretext to advance their territorial ambitions. I think what people are wondering is where does that stop and how far does it go until it gets to a place that matters. I conversely believe that any nation who wants to join NATO should, but that positioning nuclear or advanced weaponry on their territory shouldn't be done. That stabilizes the status quo.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:59 PM (rgYFf)
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Right now? The Houthis are a radical Shiite terrorist mob that has been attacking the Saudis and other non-Shias for years. They are an Iranian proxy and when Iran has money as they do now thanks to the water head in the White House they pay their proxies to attack us.
It's like asking why is Hamas so angry right now. The anger is always there it's the ability to act that has changed.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:52 PM (ZLI7S)
This is why these arguments are so pointless. I don't care what their gripes are. I don't care who started it. I just don't care.
All you people who want war, you got war. You can pick sides all you want, I'm done with all of this.
Happy 2024, everybody.
It's like asking why is Hamas so angry right now. The anger is always there it's the ability to act that has changed.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 12:52 PM (ZLI7S)
This is why these arguments are so pointless. I don't care what their gripes are. I don't care who started it. I just don't care.
All you people who want war, you got war. You can pick sides all you want, I'm done with all of this.
Happy 2024, everybody.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 31, 2023 12:59 PM (OayQb)
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149 As reported above:
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — A large cargo ship with a fire in its hold is being kept 2 miles (3.22 kilometers) offshore of an Alaska port as a precaution while efforts are undertaken to extinguish the flames, the U.S. Coast Guard said Saturday.
There were no injuries to the 19 crew members aboard the Genius Star XI, which was carrying a load of lithium-ion batteries across the Pacific Ocean, from Vietnam to San Diego, the Guard’s Alaska district said in a release.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (2yu8s)
I can just imagine if the ship managed to get to San Diego before catching fire...
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — A large cargo ship with a fire in its hold is being kept 2 miles (3.22 kilometers) offshore of an Alaska port as a precaution while efforts are undertaken to extinguish the flames, the U.S. Coast Guard said Saturday.
There were no injuries to the 19 crew members aboard the Genius Star XI, which was carrying a load of lithium-ion batteries across the Pacific Ocean, from Vietnam to San Diego, the Guard’s Alaska district said in a release.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (2yu8s)
I can just imagine if the ship managed to get to San Diego before catching fire...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:59 PM (ynpvh)
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Idaho Spudboy
It was the mobilization of the Russian military that made WWI unavoidable. Today's Russians are not mobilizing. Trying to win on the cheap.
It was the mobilization of the Russian military that made WWI unavoidable. Today's Russians are not mobilizing. Trying to win on the cheap.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 01:00 PM (u82oZ)
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Trump Warns Of Market Crash And 1929-Style 'Great Depression' If He Doesn't Win
“The only thing that is keeping the economy ‘alive’ is the fumes of what we accomplished during the Trump administration”
... there is an increasing likelihood of a crash before the November election.
“The only thing that is keeping the economy ‘alive’ is the fumes of what we accomplished during the Trump administration”
... there is an increasing likelihood of a crash before the November election.
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 01:00 PM (RovqD)
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>>Do you also believe the invasion of Crimea, actions in Georgia and ultimately Russias action in the Donbas, where they literally lapsed the population with ethnic Russians and then claimed sovereignty over the region on the premise to protect Russian "citizens" is justified?
From Russia's perspective, absolutely. Not only that, they warned us if we kept breaking our promise to expand NATO eastward toward Russia then they would consider that a hostile act and take action accordingly.
It's ridiculous to think that only the the west acts in its own interest and anything we do is justified and other countries have no right to their own views on security. It doesn't matter if you think they are correct, they don't care what we think of their views anymore than we care what they think of our views. What matters is what will they do if we make moves that they view as threatening and we have always known what Russia thinks about expanding NATO on their doorstep.
That's why they invaded Georgia and that's why they invaded Ukraine. Ignoring reality doesn't change it.
From Russia's perspective, absolutely. Not only that, they warned us if we kept breaking our promise to expand NATO eastward toward Russia then they would consider that a hostile act and take action accordingly.
It's ridiculous to think that only the the west acts in its own interest and anything we do is justified and other countries have no right to their own views on security. It doesn't matter if you think they are correct, they don't care what we think of their views anymore than we care what they think of our views. What matters is what will they do if we make moves that they view as threatening and we have always known what Russia thinks about expanding NATO on their doorstep.
That's why they invaded Georgia and that's why they invaded Ukraine. Ignoring reality doesn't change it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Foo at December 31, 2023 01:00 PM (WaaAj)
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If you really want to win against an asymmetric opponent then flatten his neighborhood, kill them all.
This has always been known for ever, but somehow the bunch that got themselves installed at the top refuse to see the obvious.
This has always been known for ever, but somehow the bunch that got themselves installed at the top refuse to see the obvious.
Posted by: torabora at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (OUiUM)
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A tank can be immobilized too. Knock out a set of tracks...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (ynpvh)
Seems to me, that if you dropped a thousand-liter tote of Napalm directly on top of a tank, and set it alight, that the poor bastards inside would be pretty well fucked.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (ynpvh)
Seems to me, that if you dropped a thousand-liter tote of Napalm directly on top of a tank, and set it alight, that the poor bastards inside would be pretty well fucked.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (tkR6S)
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One can't meld a viable solution with the incompetent leadership America has.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (HO/bY)
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Presdent Biden's policy on these Cargo Ships is correct because if we start bombing these places then how many children of color will die ???
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (Mig/N)
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I conversely believe that any nation who wants to join NATO should
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Why should we be making alliances with anyone whose only interest is getting us to fight their wars for them?
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Why should we be making alliances with anyone whose only interest is getting us to fight their wars for them?
Posted by: Methos at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (Dnobf)
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150 "You want to get yourself into the middle of a thousand year gripe between ethnic Russians and ethnic others?"
No, but that's not really the point. The Russians have continually used that pretext to advance their territorial ambitions. I think what people are wondering is where does that stop and how far does it go until it gets to a place that matters. I conversely believe that any nation who wants to join NATO should, but that positioning nuclear or advanced weaponry on their territory shouldn't be done. That stabilizes the status quo.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:59 PM (rgYFf)
They've used plebecites to excuse annexing territory. Sounds eerily familiar, no?
No, but that's not really the point. The Russians have continually used that pretext to advance their territorial ambitions. I think what people are wondering is where does that stop and how far does it go until it gets to a place that matters. I conversely believe that any nation who wants to join NATO should, but that positioning nuclear or advanced weaponry on their territory shouldn't be done. That stabilizes the status quo.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 12:59 PM (rgYFf)
They've used plebecites to excuse annexing territory. Sounds eerily familiar, no?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (ynpvh)
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One other thought about leveling Gaza - the IDF has discovered that the tunnel systems are 600% to 700% larger than even their biggest estimates, and that they were deep enough and strong enough to survive even a nuclear attack, not to mention any conventional attacks. And the problem that's come up with the flooding plan is that there isn't one large tunnel system; there were something like 15 -20 independant but sophisticated tunnel systems spread throughout Gaza.
The only way to cut this Gordian knot was to send 200,000 ground troops in and slowly, methodically sift through every single structure and square foot of Gaza; and that's what they are doing.
The only way to cut this Gordian knot was to send 200,000 ground troops in and slowly, methodically sift through every single structure and square foot of Gaza; and that's what they are doing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:02 PM (S6gqv)
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there is an increasing likelihood of a crash before the November election.
Posted by: SMOD at December 31,
But the media will inside times have never been better.
Posted by: SMOD at December 31,
But the media will inside times have never been better.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 31, 2023 01:02 PM (TeAFy)
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154 Trump Warns Of Market Crash And 1929-Style 'Great Depression' If He Doesn't Win
“The only thing that is keeping the economy ‘alive’ is the fumes of what we accomplished during the Trump administration”
... there is an increasing likelihood of a crash before the November election.
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 01:00 PM (RovqD)
They'll pump the economy with whatever they can to get past the finish line. Assuming the cheat isn't gonna be enough.
“The only thing that is keeping the economy ‘alive’ is the fumes of what we accomplished during the Trump administration”
... there is an increasing likelihood of a crash before the November election.
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 01:00 PM (RovqD)
They'll pump the economy with whatever they can to get past the finish line. Assuming the cheat isn't gonna be enough.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:03 PM (ynpvh)
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Fucking Bills
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:03 PM (Eeb9P)
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I don't know who the task force commander is but somebody somewhere pissed off the allies, or the commander is really unqualified.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:35
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Didn't they put FJB's Nat'l Sec. Advisor, weasel Jake Sullivan, in charge of the operation? Thought I read that's why allies pulled out.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 12:35
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Didn't they put FJB's Nat'l Sec. Advisor, weasel Jake Sullivan, in charge of the operation? Thought I read that's why allies pulled out.
Posted by: olddog in mo at December 31, 2023 01:04 PM (ju2Fy)
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158 A tank can be immobilized too. Knock out a set of tracks...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (ynpvh)
Seems to me, that if you dropped a thousand-liter tote of Napalm directly on top of a tank, and set it alight, that the poor bastards inside would be pretty well fucked.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (tkR6S)
Dutch Russian Oven...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (ynpvh)
Seems to me, that if you dropped a thousand-liter tote of Napalm directly on top of a tank, and set it alight, that the poor bastards inside would be pretty well fucked.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (tkR6S)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:04 PM (ynpvh)
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Even the most “sophisticated” military systems these days aren’t that great. Don’t ask me how I know but I’ve seen the design process from the inside. The whole F35 story, for instance, is farcical. Joint Strike Fighter…. The joint part implies it was gonna be able to perform multiple missions. Well any engineer worth his salt will tell you that universality and optimality trade off…. If you want optimal performance what suffers generally is versatility. But no…. The pentagon decided this system had to provide optimal performance AND be able to do multiple missions. Can anyone say: unobtainium?? And how many billions (with a B) have been poured into that program?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 31, 2023 01:04 PM (xT8gx)
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The US isn't interested in that. Oh, they'll down some drones and missiles when they can, to keep up appearances, but generally speaking they don't give a fuck what's at stake with regards to maritime - shipping operations.
The US has always been very active in keeping maritime trade flowing...commerce is important for us, bot lh receiving and selling goods, and the last things Biden needs is shipping issues further tanking the economy.
And CENTCOM just announced they sank three houthi pirate boats (a fourth fled) that were harassing a Chinese shipping vessel. I guess they've paid Joe for protection, so they get priority?
The US has always been very active in keeping maritime trade flowing...commerce is important for us, bot lh receiving and selling goods, and the last things Biden needs is shipping issues further tanking the economy.
And CENTCOM just announced they sank three houthi pirate boats (a fourth fled) that were harassing a Chinese shipping vessel. I guess they've paid Joe for protection, so they get priority?
Posted by: Military Moron at December 31, 2023 01:04 PM (ycI94)
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161 I conversely believe that any nation who wants to join NATO should
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Why should we be making alliances with anyone whose only interest is getting us to fight their wars for them?
Posted by: Methos at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (Dnobf)
Seems like Turkey is a bad bet as an "ally" right now.
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Why should we be making alliances with anyone whose only interest is getting us to fight their wars for them?
Posted by: Methos at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (Dnobf)
Seems like Turkey is a bad bet as an "ally" right now.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:04 PM (ynpvh)
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Mary Clogginstein
Sock. No misspellings.
Take a look at what Israeli technology, research, and production has done for the world. Nothing in all of the 57 Islamic nations even comes close.
You chose worthless people who drag down Civilization. EABOD, you bitter lesbian.
Sock. No misspellings.
Take a look at what Israeli technology, research, and production has done for the world. Nothing in all of the 57 Islamic nations even comes close.
You chose worthless people who drag down Civilization. EABOD, you bitter lesbian.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 01:04 PM (u82oZ)
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The most prominent piece of this sort of now-commodified technology in the Ukraine war is Russia’s ZALA Lancet drone. These have been used extensively to target tanks and other vehicles belonging to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It is now commonplace to see videos of Lancet drones being used to destroy advanced tanks, such as the German Leopard II.
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Ahhhh
NOW I understand why we kept hearing about how Ukraine was winning by using drones.
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Ahhhh
NOW I understand why we kept hearing about how Ukraine was winning by using drones.
Posted by: Nikki Haley thought FSU was good enough for the playoffs at December 31, 2023 01:05 PM (33ek6)
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There were no injuries to the 19 crew members aboard the Genius Star XI, which was carrying a load of LITHIUM ION BATTERIES across the Pacific Ocean, from Vietnam to San Diego, the Guard’s Alaska district said in a release.
Lithium-ion Batteries for Liberal Electric cars that will probably catch on fire when they drive them. My luck and that car will be next to me on the road.
Lithium-ion Batteries for Liberal Electric cars that will probably catch on fire when they drive them. My luck and that car will be next to me on the road.
Posted by: franklin Stein at December 31, 2023 01:05 PM (BKOUD)
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NATO should have been dissolved in 1992, as the Soviet Union went bye bye on December 25, 1991.
They should have had a big parade, glad handed everyone all around and closed up shop.
They should have had a big parade, glad handed everyone all around and closed up shop.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 31, 2023 01:05 PM (R/m4+)
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Just wondering how protective is the top of turret armor on the Abrams tanks in Ukraine. Also, the armor over the rear engine compartment.
Standoff, precision weapons are the future. How many hits by hypersonic Chinese missiles can the $13.7 Billion Gerald Ford aircraft take before Fird says Hello to Davy Jones?
Standoff, precision weapons are the future. How many hits by hypersonic Chinese missiles can the $13.7 Billion Gerald Ford aircraft take before Fird says Hello to Davy Jones?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:05 PM (4czJR)
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$2k drone and a repurposed shape charge submunition, VOG grenade, or 40mm HEDP will most certainly knock out an MBT. The difference is modern western armor will likely be a mission kill with few or no crew fatalities from the hit itself. The way small drones make a totall loss of a leopard, etc, is by immobilization so artillery can hit it cheaper and easier.
Drones are replacing the RPG/AT4/LAW in the "hold still while I get a bigger hammer" part - easier and safer to use.
Saying war is cheap now is misleading; either side would have won already with a proper supply of modern precision long range munitions, OR a real layered AAA setup in enough numbers to allow full use of air power. Ukraine lacks hardware (the US is stringing them along and EU lacks the supply) and the Russian crews and hardware are both underperforming. NATO and China would mop the floor with either side, even with the former's sorry state post 1990, and it's primarily because of fucktons of money spent.
Drones are replacing the RPG/AT4/LAW in the "hold still while I get a bigger hammer" part - easier and safer to use.
Saying war is cheap now is misleading; either side would have won already with a proper supply of modern precision long range munitions, OR a real layered AAA setup in enough numbers to allow full use of air power. Ukraine lacks hardware (the US is stringing them along and EU lacks the supply) and the Russian crews and hardware are both underperforming. NATO and China would mop the floor with either side, even with the former's sorry state post 1990, and it's primarily because of fucktons of money spent.
Posted by: somedood at December 31, 2023 01:05 PM (BENy5)
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166 Fucking Bills
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:03 PM (Eeb9P)
I agree. Water company sent me a bill due before the end of the year; wasn't expecting it until next year. Bastards.
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:03 PM (Eeb9P)
I agree. Water company sent me a bill due before the end of the year; wasn't expecting it until next year. Bastards.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:06 PM (ynpvh)
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olddog in mo
The rest of the world is onto the Deep State. We are uniting the world against us.
Makes one wonder when the truth files will emerge to sink the US.
The rest of the world is onto the Deep State. We are uniting the world against us.
Makes one wonder when the truth files will emerge to sink the US.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 01:06 PM (u82oZ)
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You put out a lithium fire with LOTS of water.
That really can't be done with a ship board fire.
Maybe it can be smothered with CO2 or Halon.
I saw a SoCal bicycle shop burned because of electric bikes.
This is not going as well as the progs imagined. Notice that fire trucks aren't battery powered.
That really can't be done with a ship board fire.
Maybe it can be smothered with CO2 or Halon.
I saw a SoCal bicycle shop burned because of electric bikes.
This is not going as well as the progs imagined. Notice that fire trucks aren't battery powered.
Posted by: torabora at December 31, 2023 01:06 PM (OUiUM)
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>>Obviously the head of the snake is in Tehran
Yes, it is. And all of this ends, the war against Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and more stops when you kill the head.
For 4 years under Trump we had peace in the Middle East when leftists said it was impossible because Trump very pointedly told Iran if you fuck around you will find out. He made peace deals between Israel and Sunni countries when again leftists said it was impossible and kept Iran in a box when he wasn't killing their leading terrorists.
Biden tore all that up and appeased Iran and that's why Iran's proxies like Hamas and the Houthis are attacking.
Step on snek.
Yes, it is. And all of this ends, the war against Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and more stops when you kill the head.
For 4 years under Trump we had peace in the Middle East when leftists said it was impossible because Trump very pointedly told Iran if you fuck around you will find out. He made peace deals between Israel and Sunni countries when again leftists said it was impossible and kept Iran in a box when he wasn't killing their leading terrorists.
Biden tore all that up and appeased Iran and that's why Iran's proxies like Hamas and the Houthis are attacking.
Step on snek.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:07 PM (ZLI7S)
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That's why they invaded Georgia and that's why they invaded Ukraine. Ignoring reality doesn't change it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:00 PM
I'm not sure if you were on the thread where I mentioned the Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn/Vladimir Putin connection but I think if you read the Wiki in the link below you'll discover something interesting about the intersectionality of the thought process of the two. You might already know about and someone else will notice too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn
That's why they invaded Georgia and that's why they invaded Ukraine. Ignoring reality doesn't change it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:00 PM
I'm not sure if you were on the thread where I mentioned the Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn/Vladimir Putin connection but I think if you read the Wiki in the link below you'll discover something interesting about the intersectionality of the thought process of the two. You might already know about and someone else will notice too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 31, 2023 01:07 PM (3qE2b)
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The Houthi's want to be recognized as the legit Yemeni government. They control about 1/3 of the country, mostly in the western area near the Red Sea. Nobody wants them to be the legit government in Yemen except for Iran.
Now, the Saudi's could certainly do something if they were so inclined. They've been the target of suicide drone attacks on oil refineries in the past. Other attacks too.
Nobody seems interested in putting some pressure on them, the Egyptians (who are losing billions in lost revenue due to lower traffic through the Suez) or any of the other Gulf States who do, in fact, have a stake in what transpires in Yemen.
Pressure that the US seem unwilling, or uninterested in using. "For some reason."
Now, the Saudi's could certainly do something if they were so inclined. They've been the target of suicide drone attacks on oil refineries in the past. Other attacks too.
Nobody seems interested in putting some pressure on them, the Egyptians (who are losing billions in lost revenue due to lower traffic through the Suez) or any of the other Gulf States who do, in fact, have a stake in what transpires in Yemen.
Pressure that the US seem unwilling, or uninterested in using. "For some reason."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 01:07 PM (Q4IgG)
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The more complex a weapons system is, the easier to take it out at with a low cost weapon.
Posted by: franklin Stein at December 31, 2023 01:07 PM (BKOUD)
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Skip, how was your shopping trip a nightmare?
Posted by: Piggly Wiggly Customer Service Rep. at December 31, 2023 01:07 PM (V5BDR)
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The Shah of Iran Crown Prince is in America. We are governed by fools that do not grasp at the proper tools.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (u82oZ)
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Yeh! Send in the CIA again!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 31, 2023 12:58 PM (u82oZ)
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Yeh! Send in the CIA again!
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 31, 2023 01:08 PM (ch/kO)
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169 Even the most “sophisticated” military systems these days aren’t that great. Don’t ask me how I know but I’ve seen the design process from the inside. The whole F35 story, for instance, is farcical. Joint Strike Fighter…. The joint part implies it was gonna be able to perform multiple missions. Well any engineer worth his salt will tell you that universality and optimality trade off…. If you want optimal performance what suffers generally is versatility. But no…. The pentagon decided this system had to provide optimal performance AND be able to do multiple missions. Can anyone say: unobtainium?? And how many billions (with a B) have been poured into that program?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 31, 2023 01:04 PM (xT8gx)
"We want a Swiss Army Knife...at the price of a pocket knife".
Yeah, there are many costs to be born.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 31, 2023 01:04 PM (xT8gx)
"We want a Swiss Army Knife...at the price of a pocket knife".
Yeah, there are many costs to be born.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:08 PM (ynpvh)
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"They've used plebecites to excuse annexing territory. Sounds eerily familiar, no?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (ynpvh)"
That's a little different than taking sides in sovereign state civil conflicts. One is placing a wager on a particular outcome, the other is taking the opposing population off the field by migrating in your own citizens. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with either. But the latter is a bit more pernicious. It's also in many cases how the Russians created the Soviet Union.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (ynpvh)"
That's a little different than taking sides in sovereign state civil conflicts. One is placing a wager on a particular outcome, the other is taking the opposing population off the field by migrating in your own citizens. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with either. But the latter is a bit more pernicious. It's also in many cases how the Russians created the Soviet Union.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 31, 2023 01:08 PM (rgYFf)
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"Personally, I don't care about the Houthis or the Yemeni government, but does anyone ask why the Houthis are so pissed right now."
You don't ask why a mad dog is so pissed. The Houthi are mad dogs usually kept on a chain by their owners. Their owner Iran has thrown them raw meat and let them off the chain for now, so they're doing what mad dogs do. And it will continue until we treat them like the mad dogs that they are.
You don't ask why a mad dog is so pissed. The Houthi are mad dogs usually kept on a chain by their owners. Their owner Iran has thrown them raw meat and let them off the chain for now, so they're doing what mad dogs do. And it will continue until we treat them like the mad dogs that they are.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:10 PM (S6gqv)
Posted by: olddog in mo at December 31, 2023 01:10 PM (ju2Fy)
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NYS sent a notice of taxes owed on my 2020 state taxes, another 1400$, please.
Fucking Bills
Fucking Bills
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:10 PM (Eeb9P)
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Everything I learned about Leadership and Conflict came from watching Star Trek...................
Posted by: franklin Stein at December 31, 2023 01:11 PM (BKOUD)
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192 Everything I learned about Leadership and Conflict came from watching Star Trek...................
Posted by: franklin Stein at December 31, 2023 01:11 PM (BKOUD)
Give me the Phasers and photon torpedos!
Posted by: franklin Stein at December 31, 2023 01:11 PM (BKOUD)
Give me the Phasers and photon torpedos!
Posted by: It's me donna at December 31, 2023 01:11 PM (n2vyf)
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New York State is worse then a Cheaper Hooker that has VD............ Get the F**k Out of that place before it infects you........
Posted by: franklin Stein at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (BKOUD)
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As the Russian government’s COG is the price of oil (on that and THAT ALONE it bases its budget), if we drilled for oil and produced it with reckless abandon that would force the Russians into retreat without needing to fire a shot.
But not with the clowns we have running the show…
But not with the clowns we have running the show…
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (Q9bls)
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California To Give Illegals Free (Taxpayer-Funded) Healthcare
In other words, citizens will be forced to pay for non-citizens to receive healthcare in a country where they shouldn’t be in the first place
In other words, citizens will be forced to pay for non-citizens to receive healthcare in a country where they shouldn’t be in the first place
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (RovqD)
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Katyusha rockets are not precision, and are still made today. But in WWII, the Soviets put 12 to 48 launchers on a truck for rapid barrage. Good for 20 to 30 km (12 - 18 miles). What can the Iron Dome do against these cheap, destructive weapons?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (4czJR)
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>>>Makes one wonder when the truth files will emerge to sink the US.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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If the American people become aware of the truth the Republic will be reborn.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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If the American people become aware of the truth the Republic will be reborn.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:13 PM (HO/bY)
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Heh. Whenever I see "FSU", I read "former Soviet Union".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:13 PM (tkR6S)
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180 You put out a lithium fire with LOTS of water.
That really can't be done with a ship board fire.
Maybe it can be smothered with CO2 or Halon.
I saw a SoCal bicycle shop burned because of electric bikes.
This is not going as well as the progs imagined. Notice that fire trucks aren't battery powered.
Posted by: torabora at December 31, 2023 01:06 PM (OUiUM)
Three former businessmen are in a retirement home and start talking about what they did before retiring.
First guy says, "I worked in the shoe business, but things weren't going very well. One day a fire broke out, and I had a big insurance payoff".
Second guy says, "I had a clothing factory. Business was down, when the pipes in the building burst destroying everything. Insurance covered it all allowing me to retire."
Third guy says, "I had a store in Florida and a major hurricane came through and destroyed everything. The insurance allowed me to retire."
The first two look at each other, then at the Third guy and said, "How did you manage to make a hurricane?"
That really can't be done with a ship board fire.
Maybe it can be smothered with CO2 or Halon.
I saw a SoCal bicycle shop burned because of electric bikes.
This is not going as well as the progs imagined. Notice that fire trucks aren't battery powered.
Posted by: torabora at December 31, 2023 01:06 PM (OUiUM)
Three former businessmen are in a retirement home and start talking about what they did before retiring.
First guy says, "I worked in the shoe business, but things weren't going very well. One day a fire broke out, and I had a big insurance payoff".
Second guy says, "I had a clothing factory. Business was down, when the pipes in the building burst destroying everything. Insurance covered it all allowing me to retire."
Third guy says, "I had a store in Florida and a major hurricane came through and destroyed everything. The insurance allowed me to retire."
The first two look at each other, then at the Third guy and said, "How did you manage to make a hurricane?"
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:14 PM (ynpvh)
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Aircraft Carriers are 90% obsolete. Change my mind.
Posted by: Uncledave at December 31, 2023 01:14 PM (zpKII)
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Hearts and minds, you MAGA insurrectionists.
Now go back into your shitty party HQ and prepare for a global assfucking coming to you by the execution of our superior social doctrine.
Now go back into your shitty party HQ and prepare for a global assfucking coming to you by the execution of our superior social doctrine.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 01:14 PM (J3ryZ)
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8 A tank can be immobilized too. Knock out a set of tracks...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (ynpvh)
Seems to me, that if you dropped a thousand-liter tote of Napalm directly on top of a tank, and set it alight, that the poor bastards inside would be pretty well fucked.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (tkR6S)
Use a drone to explode a simple fragmentation grenade close to the optics. That's how to make that $10 million tank pretty much useless.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:50 PM (ynpvh)
Seems to me, that if you dropped a thousand-liter tote of Napalm directly on top of a tank, and set it alight, that the poor bastards inside would be pretty well fucked.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (tkR6S)
Use a drone to explode a simple fragmentation grenade close to the optics. That's how to make that $10 million tank pretty much useless.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 31, 2023 01:14 PM (BdMk6)
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In other words, citizens will be forced to pay for non-citizens to receive healthcare in a country where they shouldn’t be in the first place
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (RovqD)
Daughter pays 1400 a month on top of what her work pays... Used to be 350 a month before obama care
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (RovqD)
Daughter pays 1400 a month on top of what her work pays... Used to be 350 a month before obama care
Posted by: It's me donna at December 31, 2023 01:14 PM (n2vyf)
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The lancet is a big success due to unjammable terminal guidance, but Russia is still strugging on production. They failed to properly tool up post cold war and now are more reliant on China than we are for chips. We can make our own though not in the needed volumes, but Russia has, last I heard, only reached mid-90s level on chip fabs. This prevents them from miniaturizing many things and is a problem for producing modern high quality sensors domestically.
If they could have stood up real chip fabs somewhere years ago and not hollowed out their legacy equipment, they'd have had this war in the bag even after the opening fumbles.
If they could have stood up real chip fabs somewhere years ago and not hollowed out their legacy equipment, they'd have had this war in the bag even after the opening fumbles.
Posted by: somedood at December 31, 2023 01:14 PM (BENy5)
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175 NATO should have been dissolved in 1992, as the Soviet Union went bye bye on December 25, 1991.
They should have had a big parade, glad handed everyone all around and closed up shop.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
I attended a NATO staff officer intro/orientation course in Germany a few years ago. There was a video or slide presentation on NATO's evolving mission and search for relevance in post-Soviet times. They emphasized the migrant crisis in the Mediterranean, Russian threats (and cyber attacks) against Baltic states, natural disaster response, and even looking outside of the North Atlantic region for partners and crises they could assist.
They should have had a big parade, glad handed everyone all around and closed up shop.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
I attended a NATO staff officer intro/orientation course in Germany a few years ago. There was a video or slide presentation on NATO's evolving mission and search for relevance in post-Soviet times. They emphasized the migrant crisis in the Mediterranean, Russian threats (and cyber attacks) against Baltic states, natural disaster response, and even looking outside of the North Atlantic region for partners and crises they could assist.
Posted by: Military Moron at December 31, 2023 01:15 PM (ycI94)
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In other words, citizens will be forced to pay for non-citizens to receive healthcare in a country where they shouldn’t be in the first place
Posted by: SMOD
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That's been going on for more than thirty years.
That, until Biden, was a major problem.
In other words, citizens will be forced to pay for non-citizens to receive healthcare in a country where they shouldn’t be in the first place
Posted by: SMOD
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That's been going on for more than thirty years.
That, until Biden, was a major problem.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:15 PM (HO/bY)
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Occam's Razor is the best Strategy when it comes to war fighting................
Grant, Patton, Lemay all used this Strategy ....
Grant, Patton, Lemay all used this Strategy ....
Posted by: franklin Stein at December 31, 2023 01:15 PM (BKOUD)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:15 PM (2yu8s)
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What I want to see is newly sworn in President Trump, introducing an older man of small stature. Guy's name is Sid, and he's wearing one of those green visors and lovingly carrying an old Victor adding machine under his arm. Sid has been PDT's personnel accountant for decades and is getting sent to the Pentagon to slash stuff. All kinds of stuff. His word is final. No more this, that or the other thing with woke shit. No more flag grades as press secretaries when an O3 would do. No more electric pencil sharpeners. No more anything until you get close to Sid's budget. Sid's word is final.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 31, 2023 01:16 PM (0EOe9)
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191 NYS sent a notice of taxes owed on my 2020 state taxes, another 1400$, please.
Fucking Bills
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:10 PM (Eeb9P)
They actually said "Please"? That would be shocking; normally it's demanded under penalty of use of force and confiscation.
Fucking Bills
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:10 PM (Eeb9P)
They actually said "Please"? That would be shocking; normally it's demanded under penalty of use of force and confiscation.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:16 PM (ynpvh)
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196 California To Give Illegals Free (Taxpayer-Funded) Healthcare
In other words, citizens will be forced to pay for non-citizens to receive healthcare in a country where they shouldn’t be in the first place
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (RovqD)
The one good thing is that California can't print inflated dollars to pay for - unless Biden bails out the state. This is so irresponsible; politicians need to go to prison.
In other words, citizens will be forced to pay for non-citizens to receive healthcare in a country where they shouldn’t be in the first place
Posted by: SMOD at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (RovqD)
The one good thing is that California can't print inflated dollars to pay for - unless Biden bails out the state. This is so irresponsible; politicians need to go to prison.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:16 PM (4czJR)
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>>I saw a SoCal bicycle shop burned because of electric bikes.
This is not going as well as the progs imagined. Notice that fire trucks aren't battery powered.
Funny you mention that. LA has one of the first electric fire engines in the country.
Gonna be a hoot when it goes up in flames.
This is not going as well as the progs imagined. Notice that fire trucks aren't battery powered.
Funny you mention that. LA has one of the first electric fire engines in the country.
Gonna be a hoot when it goes up in flames.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
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"Just wondering how protective is the top of turret armor on the Abrams tanks in Ukraine. Also, the armor over the rear engine compartment."
Have you seen any video of Israeli tanks operating in Gaza? They are all carrying a field-added thin metal screen on extensions about 4' above the turret. The purpose is the same as reactive armor; to detonate any drone dropped grenade with a shaped charge at a distance, where it can do little damage.
Have you seen any video of Israeli tanks operating in Gaza? They are all carrying a field-added thin metal screen on extensions about 4' above the turret. The purpose is the same as reactive armor; to detonate any drone dropped grenade with a shaped charge at a distance, where it can do little damage.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:17 PM (S6gqv)
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The continued Barky administration still is in love with Islamic countries, they try to protect them as much as possible
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 01:17 PM (fwDg9)
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Consider the response during WW2 to kamikazi: Every ship had dozens of .50 cal anti-aircraft guns installed. Drones are way overrated. The fact that our military has not responded appropriately is more a symptom of Harvard superiority than a lack of hardware superiority. Ranting further: WW2 had 27 million in uniform and a lot less general staff. Until we get a President that recognizes the lousy turf accumulation of the general staff, we will continue to be inefficient and incompetent in war.
Posted by: JackWayne at December 31, 2023 01:18 PM (Rwi5H)
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 31, 2023 01:18 PM (VTu1l)
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213 >>I saw a SoCal bicycle shop burned because of electric bikes.
This is not going as well as the progs imagined. Notice that fire trucks aren't battery powered.
Funny you mention that. LA has one of the first electric fire engines in the country.
Gonna be a hoot when it goes up in flames.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
Ironic.
This is not going as well as the progs imagined. Notice that fire trucks aren't battery powered.
Funny you mention that. LA has one of the first electric fire engines in the country.
Gonna be a hoot when it goes up in flames.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
Ironic.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:18 PM (ynpvh)
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Please as in you can use a payment plan, pay in full now, wait 60 days and pay in full or use the payment plan until your next tax filing and we garnish the balance due. Giving their victims options is the veneer of consent these lunatics desperately crave.
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:21 PM (Eeb9P)
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"216 Consider the response during WW2 to kamikazi: Every ship had dozens of .50 cal anti-aircraft guns installed. Drones are way overrated"
Going to vote this one "most comically wrong, in a way that will be obvious a decade from now". You're not countering this with a bunch of dumb AAA mounts. The changes to IFV systems is already underway.
Going to vote this one "most comically wrong, in a way that will be obvious a decade from now". You're not countering this with a bunch of dumb AAA mounts. The changes to IFV systems is already underway.
Posted by: somedood at December 31, 2023 01:21 PM (BENy5)
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Seems to me, that if you dropped a thousand-liter tote of Napalm directly on top of a tank, and set it alight, that the poor bastards inside would be pretty well fucked.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (tkR6S)
That's almost a 2,000 lb bomb. Just about any 2,000 lb bomb will mess up that tank's day.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:01 PM (tkR6S)
That's almost a 2,000 lb bomb. Just about any 2,000 lb bomb will mess up that tank's day.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:22 PM (S6gqv)
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More early 1WP, to go outside and play in fire pit or not?
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 01:22 PM (fwDg9)
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Standoff, precision weapons are the future. How many hits by hypersonic Chinese missiles can the $13.7 Billion Gerald Ford aircraft take before Fird says Hello to Davy Jones?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:05 PM (4czJR)
I don't know about now but when I was on The Ent6erp[rise the ship was [protected by not allowing potentially hostile boats with missiles within missile range.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:05 PM (4czJR)
I don't know about now but when I was on The Ent6erp[rise the ship was [protected by not allowing potentially hostile boats with missiles within missile range.
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 01:23 PM (A5THL)
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Mmm. Chips.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:23 PM (2yu8s)
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Would dropping the engine blocks of old Caddies and Lincolns from 10k feet create enough KE to damage a tank?
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (Eeb9P)
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The "cheap drone destroying tanks" thing goes both ways - you can also find endless footage of cheap Ukrainian drones destroying Russian tanks and armored vehicles.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (gJKGU)
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And... CBD nails it.
Posted by: GWB at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (lqam8)
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>>>Funny you mention that. LA has one of the first electric fire engines in the country.
Gonna be a hoot when it goes up in flames.
Posted by: JackStraw
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An operating fire engine requires a tremendous amount of energy.
Whatever that thing is dispatched to will surely go up in smoke.
Gonna be a hoot when it goes up in flames.
Posted by: JackStraw
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An operating fire engine requires a tremendous amount of energy.
Whatever that thing is dispatched to will surely go up in smoke.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (HO/bY)
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187 169 Even the most “sophisticated” military systems these days aren’t that great. Don’t ask me how I know but I’ve seen the design process from the inside. The whole F35 story, for instance, is farcical. Joint Strike Fighter
The Pentagon admits the F-16 will defeat the F-35 in.a dogfight. But the Pentagon says the F-35 wins with stealth and long-range missiles. Didn't we have this same problem in Viet Nam with the F-4 Phantom that didn't have a cannon?
The Pentagon admits the F-16 will defeat the F-35 in.a dogfight. But the Pentagon says the F-35 wins with stealth and long-range missiles. Didn't we have this same problem in Viet Nam with the F-4 Phantom that didn't have a cannon?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (iM7Fu)
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Katyusha rockets are not precision, and are still made today. But in WWII, the Soviets put 12 to 48 launchers on a truck for rapid barrage. Good for 20 to 30 km (12 - 18 miles). What can the Iron Dome do against these cheap, destructive weapons?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (4czJR)
That's the thesis of this post; you have to stop them being built, and you have to pre-emptively take the ground from which they could bu used against you. (Ie Golan heights) You have to go to war when the enemy starts to build them, not wait til they use them.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (4czJR)
That's the thesis of this post; you have to stop them being built, and you have to pre-emptively take the ground from which they could bu used against you. (Ie Golan heights) You have to go to war when the enemy starts to build them, not wait til they use them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:26 PM (S6gqv)
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225 Glorified fishing sinkers dropped on personnel from altitude does a job. Witness the Vietnam era Lazy Dog. Looked like a kid's sidewalk torpedo that he would put a few caps in. Very simple, let gravity do its work.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 31, 2023 01:26 PM (0EOe9)
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It saddens me that the least inexpensive, but most destructive weapons our enemies deploy today are our own Deep State.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 31, 2023 01:26 PM (qoGsy)
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That's almost a 2,000 lb bomb. Just about any 2,000 lb bomb will mess up that tank's day.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:22 PM (S6gqv)
Indeed. But a thousand liters of Napalm would cost about $5000. I doubt a ton of HE would be so cheap.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:22 PM (S6gqv)
Indeed. But a thousand liters of Napalm would cost about $5000. I doubt a ton of HE would be so cheap.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:27 PM (tkR6S)
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The Russians are using human wave tactics in Ukraine. It's insanity, but apparently they're not concerned with casualties.
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Yeah, that's why the great Russian Summer Offensive failed.
Oh, wait, that wasn't the Russians, it was the NATO side.
Posted by: Methos at December 31, 2023 12:55 PM (Dnobf)
Both sides are fighting a war of attrition with different targets.
Russia is trying to grind down Ukraine's manpower, to a point where they can't maintain their defensive lines anymore.
Ukraine is trying to grind down Russia's equipment stockpiles, to a point where their units lose combat effectiveness.
I have no idea how Ukraine's manpower situation actually is (the truth gets lost in propaganda fog), but Russia has been reactivating tanks built in the 1950s and satellite pictures of their mothball yards show them getting depleted, so there's clearly strain on their side.
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Yeah, that's why the great Russian Summer Offensive failed.
Oh, wait, that wasn't the Russians, it was the NATO side.
Posted by: Methos at December 31, 2023 12:55 PM (Dnobf)
Both sides are fighting a war of attrition with different targets.
Russia is trying to grind down Ukraine's manpower, to a point where they can't maintain their defensive lines anymore.
Ukraine is trying to grind down Russia's equipment stockpiles, to a point where their units lose combat effectiveness.
I have no idea how Ukraine's manpower situation actually is (the truth gets lost in propaganda fog), but Russia has been reactivating tanks built in the 1950s and satellite pictures of their mothball yards show them getting depleted, so there's clearly strain on their side.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:27 PM (gJKGU)
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230 Katyusha rockets are not precision, and are still made today. But in WWII, the Soviets put 12 to 48 launchers on a truck for rapid barrage. Good for 20 to 30 km (12 - 18 miles). What can the Iron Dome do against these cheap, destructive weapons?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (4czJR)
That's the thesis of this post; you have to stop them being built, and you have to pre-emptively take the ground from which they could bu used against you. (Ie Golan heights) You have to go to war when the enemy starts to build them, not wait til they use them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:26 PM (S6gqv)
Pre-emptive: 6-Day war
Reactive: Yom Kippur
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:12 PM (4czJR)
That's the thesis of this post; you have to stop them being built, and you have to pre-emptively take the ground from which they could bu used against you. (Ie Golan heights) You have to go to war when the enemy starts to build them, not wait til they use them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:26 PM (S6gqv)
Pre-emptive: 6-Day war
Reactive: Yom Kippur
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:27 PM (ynpvh)
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That's the thesis of this post; you have to stop them being built, and you have to pre-emptively take the ground from which they could bu used against you. (Ie Golan heights) You have to go to war when the enemy starts to build them, not wait til they use them.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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You are either king of the hill or you are not.
That's the thesis of this post; you have to stop them being built, and you have to pre-emptively take the ground from which they could bu used against you. (Ie Golan heights) You have to go to war when the enemy starts to build them, not wait til they use them.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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You are either king of the hill or you are not.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:27 PM (HO/bY)
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>>An operating fire engine requires a tremendous amount of energy.
Whatever that thing is dispatched to will surely go up in smoke.
It sure is purty. Saw it up close and personal. Rosenbauer.
It's a moronic idea so of course LA chose it.
Whatever that thing is dispatched to will surely go up in smoke.
It sure is purty. Saw it up close and personal. Rosenbauer.
It's a moronic idea so of course LA chose it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:27 PM (ZLI7S)
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The "cheap drone destroying tanks" thing goes both ways - you can also find endless footage of cheap Ukrainian drones destroying Russian tanks and armored vehicles.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (gJKGU)
Yep. The Russians are now the ones going on the offensive all along the front line, and taking a pounding as they move forward.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (gJKGU)
Yep. The Russians are now the ones going on the offensive all along the front line, and taking a pounding as they move forward.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 31, 2023 01:27 PM (yWvc2)
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My point is that the immediate military response to a Houthi attack on international shipping is to destroy the Houthi military infrastructure. Nothing else makes any logical sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
And it follows that you destroy any Iranian shipment to anywhere as soon as it is identified as being from any Iranian sponsored source.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
And it follows that you destroy any Iranian shipment to anywhere as soon as it is identified as being from any Iranian sponsored source.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 31, 2023 01:28 PM (0zai3)
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It saddens me that the least inexpensive, but most destructive weapons our enemies deploy today are our own Deep State.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 31, 2023 01:26 PM (qoGsy)
The amazing part isn't that they sold out, but that they sell out for so little.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 31, 2023 01:26 PM (qoGsy)
The amazing part isn't that they sold out, but that they sell out for so little.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:28 PM (gJKGU)
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Anybody who has ever broke track or pulled pack on any armored vehicle will tell you, they are all pieces of shit.
Posted by: Reforger at December 31, 2023 01:28 PM (Z/S54)
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Anybody who has ever broke track or pulled pack on any armored vehicle will tell you, they are all pieces of shit.
Posted by: Reforger at December 31, 2023 01:28 PM (Z/S54)
This.
Posted by: Reforger at December 31, 2023 01:28 PM (Z/S54)
This.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 31, 2023 01:30 PM (W/lyH)
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Anybody who has ever broke track or pulled pack on any armored vehicle will tell you, they are all pieces of shit.
Posted by: Reforger at December 31, 2023 01:28 PM (Z/S54)
LOL. Truth.
Posted by: Reforger at December 31, 2023 01:28 PM (Z/S54)
LOL. Truth.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (BdMk6)
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Regarding "multi-role" aircraft...
The F-16, especially F-16CM Blk52 has an extensive array of weapons it can deploy. Unlike the F-35 A/B/C.
Everything from "dumb" Mk 84 bombs to the AGM-158A JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile) which is only now entering service. It's also carried by the B-1 and B-2 bombers, the F-15E Strike Fighter and the soon to enter service B-21 Raider.
Plus it can field the latest AIM-120D radar guided anti-air missile and the Sidewinder IR AA missile.
Single engine too. If the F-35, which was supposed to be the F-16's replacement ever lives up to that, I'd consider it a success. Thus far, it's not.
The F-16, especially F-16CM Blk52 has an extensive array of weapons it can deploy. Unlike the F-35 A/B/C.
Everything from "dumb" Mk 84 bombs to the AGM-158A JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile) which is only now entering service. It's also carried by the B-1 and B-2 bombers, the F-15E Strike Fighter and the soon to enter service B-21 Raider.
Plus it can field the latest AIM-120D radar guided anti-air missile and the Sidewinder IR AA missile.
Single engine too. If the F-35, which was supposed to be the F-16's replacement ever lives up to that, I'd consider it a success. Thus far, it's not.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (Q4IgG)
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Why are tracks POS?
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (Eeb9P)
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[Aside from the questionable math and my suspicion that the Russian success against the Leopard II might be exaggerated, this is a worthwhile article.
Doesn't Biden cutting Zelensky loose strongly suggest that the Ukes really are fucked? And not in the fun Kate Upton way?
Doesn't Biden cutting Zelensky loose strongly suggest that the Ukes really are fucked? And not in the fun Kate Upton way?
Posted by: Ian S. at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (FD5dr)
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Ukraine and Russia have let themselves get trapped in a WW1 western front style slugfest - absolute madness on both sides. If any conflict screamed out for a ceasefire in place, this one does.
So where are the crowds and marches chanting Cease Fire in Ukraine Now?
So where are the crowds and marches chanting Cease Fire in Ukraine Now?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (S6gqv)
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Even the most “sophisticated” military systems these days aren’t that great. Don’t ask me how I know but I’ve seen the design process from the inside. The whole F35 story, for instance, is farcical. Joint Strike Fighter
The Pentagon admits the F-16 will defeat the F-35 in.a dogfight. But the Pentagon says the F-35 wins with stealth and long-range missiles. Didn't we have this same problem in Viet Nam with the F-4 Phantom that didn't have a cannon?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (iM7Fu)
The "experts" have always wanted to believe that the age of dogfighting is over. They've been wrong every time, so far.
Discontinuing the F-22 was a mistake. We should have produced variants with more modern electronics rather than go all-in on the F-35.
The Pentagon admits the F-16 will defeat the F-35 in.a dogfight. But the Pentagon says the F-35 wins with stealth and long-range missiles. Didn't we have this same problem in Viet Nam with the F-4 Phantom that didn't have a cannon?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:24 PM (iM7Fu)
The "experts" have always wanted to believe that the age of dogfighting is over. They've been wrong every time, so far.
Discontinuing the F-22 was a mistake. We should have produced variants with more modern electronics rather than go all-in on the F-35.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (gJKGU)
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Straits of Barbara Mandrell: Interwebs has every ship passing through. Including name, type, owner, nationality, destination, cargo, location, course, and speed.
I would think shutting that down would be a good first step.
I would think shutting that down would be a good first step.
Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (9X60i)
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>>>An operating fire engine requires a tremendous amount of energy.
Whatever that thing is dispatched to will surely go up in smoke.
Posted by: Braenyard
>You're going to need about 50 adapter plugs and a voltage regulator suitable for a mission to Mars when the damn thing pukes out and the batteries go to empty.
Whatever that thing is dispatched to will surely go up in smoke.
Posted by: Braenyard
>You're going to need about 50 adapter plugs and a voltage regulator suitable for a mission to Mars when the damn thing pukes out and the batteries go to empty.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 01:32 PM (J3ryZ)
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I don't know about now but when I was on The Ent6erp[rise the ship was [protected by not allowing potentially hostile boats with missiles within missile range.
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 01:23 PM (A5THL)
I bow to and respect your superior knowledge. I wonder if China launches land-based missiles (thinking Taiwan region), in large numbers, it will overwhelm the Navy with speed and a swarming attack.
I don't know about now but when I was on The Ent6erp[rise the ship was [protected by not allowing potentially hostile boats with missiles within missile range.
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 01:23 PM (A5THL)
I bow to and respect your superior knowledge. I wonder if China launches land-based missiles (thinking Taiwan region), in large numbers, it will overwhelm the Navy with speed and a swarming attack.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:32 PM (+d4ov)
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My point is that the immediate military response to a Houthi attack on international shipping is to destroy the Houthi military infrastructure. Nothing else makes any logical sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Agree completely.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Agree completely.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:32 PM (S6gqv)
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but Russia has been reactivating tanks built in the 1950s and satellite pictures of their mothball yards show them getting depleted, so there's clearly strain on their side.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:27 PM (gJKGU)
On the other hand, there have been few tank vs. tank battles where sophistication would count. An older tank can be used as an armored artillery piece, just keep it out of the way of a newer tank.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:27 PM (gJKGU)
On the other hand, there have been few tank vs. tank battles where sophistication would count. An older tank can be used as an armored artillery piece, just keep it out of the way of a newer tank.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 31, 2023 01:33 PM (yWvc2)
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Thank you, CBD. I said it on 9/12/01...The only way to make these savages understand what they have done is to drop a nuke on a sparsely inhabited corner of the country and inform them that if we did not receive Osama bin Laden within twenty-four hours the next one would fall on Kabul.
But Bush...and here we are today, watching our country die.
But Bush...and here we are today, watching our country die.
Posted by: creeper at December 31, 2023 01:33 PM (cTCuP)
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A typical fire engine's fuel economy is measured in gallons per mile. Yeah, those electrics will just work swell.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 31, 2023 01:34 PM (0EOe9)
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Discontinuing the F-22 was a mistake. We should have produced variants with more modern electronics rather than go all-in on the F-35.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (gJKGU)
I believe that canceling the F-22 one more reason to say, "Thanks, Obama!"
Discontinuing the F-22 was a mistake. We should have produced variants with more modern electronics rather than go all-in on the F-35.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (gJKGU)
I believe that canceling the F-22 one more reason to say, "Thanks, Obama!"
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:35 PM (+d4ov)
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What powers the monster pumps on a battery fire truck?
Posted by: Zombie Firefighter Kelly at December 31, 2023 01:36 PM (V5BDR)
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The fire appears to be "out". They sealed the hold and 'flooded' it with CO2.
"The fire aboard the Genius Star XI seems to have subsided, and the vessel is anchored in Broad Bay as of Saturday evening.
Courtesy Of U.S. Coast Guard
A team of marine firefighters from T&T Salvage and Resolve Marine remain aboard the vessel. The fire within a cargo hold filled with lithium-ion batteries has been contained, and the responders are monitoring the temperature inside the hold to determine if the fire is still burning."
"The fire aboard the Genius Star XI seems to have subsided, and the vessel is anchored in Broad Bay as of Saturday evening.
Courtesy Of U.S. Coast Guard
A team of marine firefighters from T&T Salvage and Resolve Marine remain aboard the vessel. The fire within a cargo hold filled with lithium-ion batteries has been contained, and the responders are monitoring the temperature inside the hold to determine if the fire is still burning."
Posted by: illiniwek at December 31, 2023 01:36 PM (Cus5s)
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2 articles today on the Feds trying to get a program going to give illegals IDs, nice legal alias to drop whenever needed and back in the shadows. No way to verify that new ID is same as one from old county
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 01:37 PM (fwDg9)
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Seen on Insty: a Navajo chief is protesting a NASA mission that will fly cremated remains to the Moon, on the grounds that Indians hold the Moon sacred and therefore basically own it.
C'mon, man, make your bribery scheme slightly less transparent.
C'mon, man, make your bribery scheme slightly less transparent.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 31, 2023 01:37 PM (FD5dr)
Posted by: Reforger at December 31, 2023 01:38 PM (Z/S54)
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There were two thoughts that came to mind when Israel was attacked. The first was "nits make lice", said about Indians attacking settlers here. If you want the violence to end in the Middle east, you have to either de-Nazify the children or wipe them out.
And the other, my favorite quote from Pris in Blade Runner "Then we're stupid and we'll die". We can't afford an ignorant population any more.
And the other, my favorite quote from Pris in Blade Runner "Then we're stupid and we'll die". We can't afford an ignorant population any more.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 31, 2023 01:38 PM (L8hCM)
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Why are tracks POS?
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (Eeb9P)
Join the Army. Become a tanker or an armored unit scout. You'll find out.
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:31 PM (Eeb9P)
Join the Army. Become a tanker or an armored unit scout. You'll find out.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 31, 2023 01:39 PM (BdMk6)
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A few years back, on a different forum, I opined that the age of the drone was upon us, and the time of manned aircraft was limited. I was immediately taken to task by another commenter who said it had been "proven" that drones would never work in combat. Ha!
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 31, 2023 01:39 PM (yWvc2)
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In my opinion, on Oct. 7th the corner was turned. Gaza should have been leveled and then leveled three more times for good measure. There will never be peace with these barbaric animals. Every effort for some sort of "peace" would amount to the flimsiest facade of good will. It will never happen. It is a fake premise. The Palestinians, left as they are, will simply arm up, gear up, make more and more bombs and have at Israel again and again.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 31, 2023 01:39 PM (CmpAD)
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A team of marine firefighters from T&T Salvage and Resolve Marine remain aboard the vessel. The fire within a cargo hold filled with lithium-ion batteries has been contained, and the responders are monitoring the temperature inside the hold to determine if the fire is still burning."
Posted by: illiniwek at December 31, 2023 01:36 PM (Cus5s)
Of course, the entire cargo in that hold has now been compromised.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 31, 2023 01:36 PM (Cus5s)
Of course, the entire cargo in that hold has now been compromised.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:40 PM (tkR6S)
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>>What powers the monster pumps on a battery fire truck?
It's not totally electric, that's just a virtue signal. It has a diesel engine backup because of course it does.
2024 is going to be a rude awakening for modified golf cart enthusiasts. Not only are they an extreme fire hazard that nobody really knows how to deal with, they are also both impractical and an environmental disaster.
Other than that they are great.
It's not totally electric, that's just a virtue signal. It has a diesel engine backup because of course it does.
2024 is going to be a rude awakening for modified golf cart enthusiasts. Not only are they an extreme fire hazard that nobody really knows how to deal with, they are also both impractical and an environmental disaster.
Other than that they are great.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2023 01:40 PM (ZLI7S)
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259 I just might run down and get one of those. Speak in authentic Finnish Frontier Jibberish. Tell them I just crossed the Darian Gap. I'm hungry, please give me a Big Mac and a ticket to Vegas.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (0EOe9)
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Have you seen any video of Israeli tanks operating in Gaza? They are all carrying a field-added thin metal screen on extensions about 4' above the turret. The purpose is the same as reactive armor; to detonate any drone dropped grenade with a shaped charge at a distance, where it can do little damage.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:17 PM (S6gqv)
That's great news. I had not noticed that.
Have you seen any video of Israeli tanks operating in Gaza? They are all carrying a field-added thin metal screen on extensions about 4' above the turret. The purpose is the same as reactive armor; to detonate any drone dropped grenade with a shaped charge at a distance, where it can do little damage.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 31, 2023 01:17 PM (S6gqv)
That's great news. I had not noticed that.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (+d4ov)
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Unless it's Christmastime and you wanna parade Santa Claus around on top of the fire truck, those trucks spend about 99.99% of their day inside of the fire station. I *get* that you might want to improve air quality in an area which tends to hold smog for periods of time, but for crying out loud that's the lamest possible reason for a battery powered fire truck.
Until someone goes to Washington and busts up their intaglio printing presses into a thousand pieces, this kind of nonsense will continue and we will continue to finance it at the grocery store.
Unless it's Christmastime and you wanna parade Santa Claus around on top of the fire truck, those trucks spend about 99.99% of their day inside of the fire station. I *get* that you might want to improve air quality in an area which tends to hold smog for periods of time, but for crying out loud that's the lamest possible reason for a battery powered fire truck.
Until someone goes to Washington and busts up their intaglio printing presses into a thousand pieces, this kind of nonsense will continue and we will continue to finance it at the grocery store.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (3qE2b)
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I bow to and respect your superior knowledge. I wonder if China launches land-based missiles (thinking Taiwan region), in large numbers, it will overwhelm the Navy with speed and a swarming attack.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:32 PM (+d4ov)
In my day the Enterprise would never have sailed through those straits..
I bow to and respect your superior knowledge. I wonder if China launches land-based missiles (thinking Taiwan region), in large numbers, it will overwhelm the Navy with speed and a swarming attack.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 31, 2023 01:32 PM (+d4ov)
In my day the Enterprise would never have sailed through those straits..
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (A5THL)
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (HO/bY)
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Join the Army. Become a tanker or an armored unit scout. You'll find out.
There are several YouTubers with tracked vehicles that can aptly demonstrate why they suck also. When they're working, they're indispensible. When they're working.
There are several YouTubers with tracked vehicles that can aptly demonstrate why they suck also. When they're working, they're indispensible. When they're working.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (FD5dr)
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Vivek Ramaswamy @VivekGRamaswamy 20h
Shut down the FBI. And yes, this is much more practical than it sounds:
The FBI has a ~35,842 person staff. 56% of the bureau that are professional bureaucrats should be fired immediately. Just 44% of FBI employees are special agents & intelligence analysts—these 15,770 specialists should be reassigned to serve under the narrow focus of other federal law enforcement agencies doing the same specialist work.
Reassignments:
US Marshals Service (821 specialists/analysts transferred)
- Crimes against children
Department of Defense
- Counter-intelligence > Defense Intelligence Agency (4,159 specialists/analysts transferred)
Department of Homeland Security (4,663 specialists/analysts transferred)
- National Security
- Terrorism
US Secret Service (856 specialists/analysts transferred)
- Political corruption
Shut down the FBI. And yes, this is much more practical than it sounds:
The FBI has a ~35,842 person staff. 56% of the bureau that are professional bureaucrats should be fired immediately. Just 44% of FBI employees are special agents & intelligence analysts—these 15,770 specialists should be reassigned to serve under the narrow focus of other federal law enforcement agencies doing the same specialist work.
Reassignments:
US Marshals Service (821 specialists/analysts transferred)
- Crimes against children
Department of Defense
- Counter-intelligence > Defense Intelligence Agency (4,159 specialists/analysts transferred)
Department of Homeland Security (4,663 specialists/analysts transferred)
- National Security
- Terrorism
US Secret Service (856 specialists/analysts transferred)
- Political corruption
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:42 PM (2yu8s)
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Department of Justice, within a specialized sub-agency rather than a sprawling investigative bureaucracy (2,555 specialists/analysts transferred)
- Civil rights
- Organized crime
- Violent crime
- Science & Technology, including crime laboratory analysis across agencies
Department of the Treasury
- White collar crime > Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (856 specialists/analysts transferred)
- Civil rights
- Organized crime
- Violent crime
- Science & Technology, including crime laboratory analysis across agencies
Department of the Treasury
- White collar crime > Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (856 specialists/analysts transferred)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:42 PM (2yu8s)
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>>>On the other hand, there have been few tank vs. tank battles where sophistication would count. An older tank can be used as an armored artillery piece, just keep it out of the way of a newer tank.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
>If your goal is to spearhead an assault into enemy territory to capture an HQ and its commanding force, hitech is the way. If you going to pound the masses in a battle of attrition, stick to ground artillery and keep you mobile armor behind lines for special ops. What's your fucking goal?
Get your shit in order!
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
>If your goal is to spearhead an assault into enemy territory to capture an HQ and its commanding force, hitech is the way. If you going to pound the masses in a battle of attrition, stick to ground artillery and keep you mobile armor behind lines for special ops. What's your fucking goal?
Get your shit in order!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 01:42 PM (J3ryZ)
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There's a reason most farm equipment isn't tracked. Some of them are, for specific tasks, but the majority aren't.
For a reason.
For a reason.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 01:43 PM (Q4IgG)
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270
Unless it's Christmastime and you wanna parade Santa Claus around on top of the fire truck, those trucks spend about 99.99% of their day inside of the fire station. I *get* that you might want to improve air quality in an area which tends to hold smog for periods of time, but for crying out loud that's the lamest possible reason for a battery powered fire truck.
Until someone goes to Washington and busts up their intaglio printing presses into a thousand pieces, this kind of nonsense will continue and we will continue to finance it at the grocery store.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (3qE2b)
I see firetrucks and ambulances going together for a medical emergency. Here's one excuse given on a website:
"The reason we send a fire engine or a fire truck along with the ambulance is if the patient is critically ill or not able to walk and must be carried to our gurney..."
Unless it's Christmastime and you wanna parade Santa Claus around on top of the fire truck, those trucks spend about 99.99% of their day inside of the fire station. I *get* that you might want to improve air quality in an area which tends to hold smog for periods of time, but for crying out loud that's the lamest possible reason for a battery powered fire truck.
Until someone goes to Washington and busts up their intaglio printing presses into a thousand pieces, this kind of nonsense will continue and we will continue to finance it at the grocery store.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (3qE2b)
I see firetrucks and ambulances going together for a medical emergency. Here's one excuse given on a website:
"The reason we send a fire engine or a fire truck along with the ambulance is if the patient is critically ill or not able to walk and must be carried to our gurney..."
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:45 PM (ynpvh)
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I can just imagine if the ship managed to get to San Diego before catching fire...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:59 PM (ynpvh)
Now, if the name of the ship was the Venture, we'd really be in trouble!
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 12:59 PM (ynpvh)
Now, if the name of the ship was the Venture, we'd really be in trouble!
Posted by: InGen at December 31, 2023 01:46 PM (iODuv)
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How many hits by hypersonic Chinese missiles can the $13.7 Billion Gerald Ford aircraft take before Fird says Hello to Davy Jones?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate
We'll get to see how USN damage control 2023 compares to damage control 1943.
How many hits by hypersonic Chinese missiles can the $13.7 Billion Gerald Ford aircraft take before Fird says Hello to Davy Jones?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate
We'll get to see how USN damage control 2023 compares to damage control 1943.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2023 01:46 PM (63Dwl)
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Unless it's Christmastime and you wanna parade Santa Claus around on top of the fire truck, those trucks spend about 99.99% of their day inside of the fire station. I *get* that you might want to improve air quality in an area which tends to hold smog for periods of time, but for crying out loud that's the lamest possible reason for a battery powered fire truck.
Until someone goes to Washington and busts up their intaglio printing presses into a thousand pieces, this kind of nonsense will continue and we will continue to finance it at the grocery store.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (3qE2b)
That used to be the case. You could find 1930's fire engines with 7000 miles on the clock. Here in AJ, I see a big-ass fire engine go ki-yi-ing down the road out front several times per day. They send them out when Granny falls down.
Until someone goes to Washington and busts up their intaglio printing presses into a thousand pieces, this kind of nonsense will continue and we will continue to finance it at the grocery store.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 31, 2023 01:41 PM (3qE2b)
That used to be the case. You could find 1930's fire engines with 7000 miles on the clock. Here in AJ, I see a big-ass fire engine go ki-yi-ing down the road out front several times per day. They send them out when Granny falls down.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:46 PM (tkR6S)
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EV recharging stations: not enough of them. When you find one, the lines are long. By the time it's your turn to charge, the charging station is out of order. When you look up availability on your app, the app gives you outdated or inaccurate information. Then it's rinse and repeat or look for a motel and hope for the best.
Posted by: mrp at December 31, 2023 01:46 PM (rj6Yv)
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War is the Continuation of Politics by Other Means
-von Clausewitz
If the war is not won, and acknowledged by victor and vanquished equally, the political tension is not resolved.
-von Clausewitz
If the war is not won, and acknowledged by victor and vanquished equally, the political tension is not resolved.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2023 01:47 PM (RIvkX)
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There's a reason most farm equipment isn't tracked. Some of them are, for specific tasks, but the majority aren't.
For a reason.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 01:43 PM (Q4IgG)
Tractors and haul wagons with continuous rubber tracks are increasingly common in my AO in Alberta.
For a reason.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 31, 2023 01:43 PM (Q4IgG)
Tractors and haul wagons with continuous rubber tracks are increasingly common in my AO in Alberta.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:48 PM (tkR6S)
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Now, if the name of the ship was the Venture, we'd really be in trouble!
Posted by: InGen
Remember Felicity Ace?
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace
Now, if the name of the ship was the Venture, we'd really be in trouble!
Posted by: InGen
Remember Felicity Ace?
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2023 01:49 PM (63Dwl)
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If your goal is to spearhead an assault into enemy territory to capture an HQ and its commanding force, hitech is the way. If you going to pound the masses in a battle of attrition, stick to ground artillery and keep you mobile armor behind lines for special ops. What's your fucking goal?
Get your shit in order!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 01:42 PM (J3ryZ)
Since the Russian goal for the past year has been to pound the advancing Ukie forces into paste, while limiting their own casualties, I'd say the Rooskies had their shit in adequate order. How this will play out as they switch over to the offensive remains to be seen.
Get your shit in order!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 01:42 PM (J3ryZ)
Since the Russian goal for the past year has been to pound the advancing Ukie forces into paste, while limiting their own casualties, I'd say the Rooskies had their shit in adequate order. How this will play out as they switch over to the offensive remains to be seen.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 31, 2023 01:49 PM (yWvc2)
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World of Engineering @engineers_feed 12h
today’s date is 123123
once in a lifetime experience
===
In the U.S. anyway.
today’s date is 123123
once in a lifetime experience
===
In the U.S. anyway.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:49 PM (2yu8s)
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I figured maintenance and reliability were issues but maybe you had the inside dope. So, the issues today are the same as the Tiger and Panther.
If they can seal the hold and gas it with CO2 and that works, that would be proof of concept. It would be easier to build lithium batteries near place of use.
If they can seal the hold and gas it with CO2 and that works, that would be proof of concept. It would be easier to build lithium batteries near place of use.
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:50 PM (Eeb9P)
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Now, if the name of the ship was the Venture, we'd really be in trouble!
Posted by: InGen
Remember Felicity Ace?
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2023 01:49 PM (63Dwl)
I think that was an episode of "Disasters at Sea"...
Now, if the name of the ship was the Venture, we'd really be in trouble!
Posted by: InGen
Remember Felicity Ace?
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2023 01:49 PM (63Dwl)
I think that was an episode of "Disasters at Sea"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:50 PM (ynpvh)
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I had a GF who had a tracked Honda snowblower. Coolest thing ever.
She was Jamaican, too
She was Jamaican, too
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:51 PM (Eeb9P)
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290 I had a GF who had a tracked Honda snowblower. Coolest thing ever.
She was Jamaican, too
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:51 PM (Eeb9P)
I'm assuming not used in Jamaica...
She was Jamaican, too
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:51 PM (Eeb9P)
I'm assuming not used in Jamaica...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:51 PM (ynpvh)
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Remember Felicity Ace?
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2023 01:49 PM (63Dwl)
But, at least, it didn't contain a Tyrannosaurus Rex. Or King Kong. So there's that.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2023 01:49 PM (63Dwl)
But, at least, it didn't contain a Tyrannosaurus Rex. Or King Kong. So there's that.
Posted by: InGen at December 31, 2023 01:51 PM (iODuv)
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13….Ender Wiggin figured this out a long time ago in Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game.
Sadly, no one reads the classics anymore....
That used to be on the base commanders reading list at MCLB Albany back in the day.
Sadly, no one reads the classics anymore....
That used to be on the base commanders reading list at MCLB Albany back in the day.
Posted by: PMRich at December 31, 2023 01:51 PM (eh5ud)
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How dare you accurately quote and screencap leftists being hypocrites, psycho- and sociopathic etc.!
Libs of TikTok @libsoftiktok 14h
BREAKING: @facebook just suspended Libs of TikTok. They claim we violated community standards.
Libs of TikTok @libsoftiktok 14h
BREAKING: @facebook just suspended Libs of TikTok. They claim we violated community standards.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:52 PM (2yu8s)
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Felicity Ace was powered by a single main diesel engine rated at 20,500 hp...
What an engine! Displacement, Yuge.
What an engine! Displacement, Yuge.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:53 PM (HO/bY)
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William Tecumseh Sherman could have written this piece. He knew you win wars by demoralizing your opponent's population. Massive artillery bombardment tends to do that sort of thing.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 31, 2023 01:53 PM (cB7nX)
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Shoot the archers, not the arrows.
Posted by: butch at December 31, 2023 01:53 PM (jaMP5)
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"Proportionality has become an excuse to avoid victory." That simple line explains so much about the permanent war mindset. War forever, victory never.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at December 31, 2023 01:54 PM (d9Cw3)
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>>>EV recharging stations: not enough of them. When you find one, the lines are long. By the time it's your turn to charge, the charging station is out of order. When you look up availability on your app, the app gives you outdated or inaccurate information. Then it's rinse and repeat or look for a motel and hope for the best.
Posted by: mrp
>The EV Broken Window Fallacy.
Welcome to the new Millenium!
Posted by: mrp
>The EV Broken Window Fallacy.
Welcome to the new Millenium!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 01:54 PM (J3ryZ)
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294 How dare you accurately quote and screencap leftists being hypocrites, psycho- and sociopathic etc.!
Libs of TikTok @libsoftiktok 14h
BREAKING: @facebook just suspended Libs of TikTok. They claim we violated community standards.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:52 PM (2yu8s)
The ones that keep doing this to Libs of TikTok should be banned. Or, if reposting what someone else typed or said on said platform is a violation, then the original content is too, right?
Libs of TikTok @libsoftiktok 14h
BREAKING: @facebook just suspended Libs of TikTok. They claim we violated community standards.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:52 PM (2yu8s)
The ones that keep doing this to Libs of TikTok should be banned. Or, if reposting what someone else typed or said on said platform is a violation, then the original content is too, right?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:54 PM (ynpvh)
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A PZKW II makes a great farm tractor
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 01:54 PM (fwDg9)
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Daughter pays 1400 a month on top of what her work pays... Used to be 350 a month before obama care
But we can't repeal it because, well, because.
But we can't repeal it because, well, because.
Posted by: Republicans, including Trump at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (pjs7m)
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Lib little sister just informed she is traveling to Cuba.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (RIvkX)
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lol, yeah, not Jamaica. She would regale me with tales of being up in the mountains during the winter one had to wear a sweater or jacket in the morning. It was that cold.
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (Eeb9P)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (2yu8s)
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296 William Tecumseh Sherman could have written this piece. He knew you win wars by demoralizing your opponent's population. Massive artillery bombardment tends to do that sort of thing.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 31, 2023 01:53 PM (cB7nX)
He has a necktie named after him.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 31, 2023 01:53 PM (cB7nX)
He has a necktie named after him.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (ynpvh)
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Tractors and haul wagons with continuous rubber tracks are increasingly common in my AO in Alberta.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:48 PM (tkR6S)
Geez. I mean c'mon, man. It's Canada.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2023 01:48 PM (tkR6S)
Geez. I mean c'mon, man. It's Canada.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (BdMk6)
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BREAKING: @facebook just suspended Libs of TikTok. They claim we violated community standards.
If you have '2024 is gonna be lit!' on your Bingo Card expect reduced payouts as more come on board.
BREAKING: @facebook just suspended Libs of TikTok. They claim we violated community standards.
If you have '2024 is gonna be lit!' on your Bingo Card expect reduced payouts as more come on board.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (3qE2b)
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the droans will destroy us all
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (sJHOI)
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Until someone goes to Washington and busts up their intaglio printing presses into a thousand pieces, this kind of nonsense will continue and we will continue to finance it at the grocery store.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
If you busted up the US Intaglio printing press you'd still have the Iranian ones pumping out 'super 100 dollar bills'.
The reason we can't stop the Iranian ones from being used is they are perfect counterfeits.
So stop ours and inflation continues.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
If you busted up the US Intaglio printing press you'd still have the Iranian ones pumping out 'super 100 dollar bills'.
The reason we can't stop the Iranian ones from being used is they are perfect counterfeits.
So stop ours and inflation continues.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 31, 2023 01:56 PM (0zai3)
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Ed Driscoll referring to Dan Campbell's refusal to kick the extra point in the last minute of last night's game as "childishly ordering" was one his more boneheaded remarks. One of many, unfortunately.
Posted by: mrp at December 31, 2023 01:57 PM (rj6Yv)
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303 Lib little sister just informed she is traveling to Cuba.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (RIvkX)
Probably will stay in the Potemkin parts.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (RIvkX)
Probably will stay in the Potemkin parts.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 01:57 PM (ynpvh)
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I'll have to see about saving this one for Tuesday morning when almost everyone will be back.
ERICA ⬆️ @ZiaErica Dec 30
I want to start a movement...
Women should not be allowed to vote or hold ANY position of authority.
Life was much better for everyone when women were home caring for their kids and husbands.
#CrazyBitches ruin everything!!!
Same for you #MaleFeminists idiots!
ERICA ⬆️ @ZiaErica Dec 30
I want to start a movement...
Women should not be allowed to vote or hold ANY position of authority.
Life was much better for everyone when women were home caring for their kids and husbands.
#CrazyBitches ruin everything!!!
Same for you #MaleFeminists idiots!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 31, 2023 01:57 PM (2yu8s)
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BREAKING: @facebook just suspended Libs of TikTok. They claim we violated community standards.
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Mamma don't 'llow no truth tellin' 'round chere!
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Mamma don't 'llow no truth tellin' 'round chere!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 31, 2023 01:58 PM (FVME7)
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the droans will destroy us all
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (sJHOI)
Not if we get there first, puny red-shirted human!
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 31, 2023 01:55 PM (sJHOI)
Not if we get there first, puny red-shirted human!
Posted by: The Gorn at December 31, 2023 01:58 PM (yWvc2)
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Videos extolling the virtues of adults raping kids is love. Mocking adults who rape kids is hate.
Posted by: Jamaica at December 31, 2023 01:58 PM (Eeb9P)
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>>>MOL was unable to confirm if any oil pollution had occurred.
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Oil pollution. What about all the ships that sunk in WWII? What happened to that oil? What determent to sea life was that? Nil.
What about all that lithium crap dissolving in the sea.
Here, eat a shiny lithium fish.
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Oil pollution. What about all the ships that sunk in WWII? What happened to that oil? What determent to sea life was that? Nil.
What about all that lithium crap dissolving in the sea.
Here, eat a shiny lithium fish.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:59 PM (HO/bY)
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I am having a hard time keeping up with comments because my computer is requiring at hot boot every 5 minute4s.
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 01:59 PM (A5THL)
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317 >>>MOL was unable to confirm if any oil pollution had occurred.
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Oil pollution. What about all the ships that sunk in WWII? What happened to that oil? What determent to sea life was that? Nil.
What about all that lithium crap dissolving in the sea.
Here, eat a shiny lithium fish.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:59 PM (HO/bY)
Wow, I feel so relaxed now...
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Oil pollution. What about all the ships that sunk in WWII? What happened to that oil? What determent to sea life was that? Nil.
What about all that lithium crap dissolving in the sea.
Here, eat a shiny lithium fish.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:59 PM (HO/bY)
Wow, I feel so relaxed now...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 02:00 PM (ynpvh)
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318 I am having a hard time keeping up with comments because my computer is requiring at hot boot every 5 minute4s.
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 01:59 PM (A5THL)
Sorry vic, read that as "hot booty"...
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 01:59 PM (A5THL)
Sorry vic, read that as "hot booty"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 02:00 PM (ynpvh)
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Oil pollution. What about all the ships that sunk in WWII? What happened to that oil? What determent to sea life was that? Nil.
Is the Arizona still leaking oil?
Oil pollution. What about all the ships that sunk in WWII? What happened to that oil? What determent to sea life was that? Nil.
Is the Arizona still leaking oil?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 31, 2023 02:01 PM (63Dwl)
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NOOD First World Problems
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 31, 2023 02:01 PM (ynpvh)
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1ST WP NOOD
Posted by: Skip at December 31, 2023 02:01 PM (fwDg9)
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nood
Posted by: vic at December 31, 2023 02:01 PM (A5THL)
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>>>the droans will destroy us all
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah
>Is that anything like an eunuch? I hear they're all hotheads who could snap at any moment, but it's understandable.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah
>Is that anything like an eunuch? I hear they're all hotheads who could snap at any moment, but it's understandable.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 31, 2023 02:01 PM (J3ryZ)
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The reason we can't stop the Iranian ones from being used is they are perfect counterfeits.
So stop ours and inflation continues.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 31, 2023 01:56 PM
Every time I drop a $50.00 bill (the new $20.00 bill) anywhere they immediately grab some sort of pen and put a line through it. I guess that reveals the plastic thread embedded in the currency. I'm pretty sure the Iranians aren't up to that level of integrating plastic into the pulp to wire to calendaring process. Yet.
The reason we can't stop the Iranian ones from being used is they are perfect counterfeits.
So stop ours and inflation continues.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 31, 2023 01:56 PM
Every time I drop a $50.00 bill (the new $20.00 bill) anywhere they immediately grab some sort of pen and put a line through it. I guess that reveals the plastic thread embedded in the currency. I'm pretty sure the Iranians aren't up to that level of integrating plastic into the pulp to wire to calendaring process. Yet.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 31, 2023 02:01 PM (3qE2b)
327
Oil pollution. What about all the ships that sunk in WWII? What happened to that oil? What determent to sea life was that? Nil.
What about all that lithium crap dissolving in the sea.
Here, eat a shiny lithium fish.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:59 PM (HO/bY)
I've long wondered what effect WW II naval warfare had on cetacean mammals. Sonar and depth charging alone must have had some impact.
What about all that lithium crap dissolving in the sea.
Here, eat a shiny lithium fish.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 01:59 PM (HO/bY)
I've long wondered what effect WW II naval warfare had on cetacean mammals. Sonar and depth charging alone must have had some impact.
Posted by: mrp at December 31, 2023 02:02 PM (rj6Yv)
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The Romans had the right response for piracy: destroy their home ports.
Posted by: butch at December 31, 2023 02:02 PM (jaMP5)
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298 "Proportionality has become an excuse to avoid victory." That simple line explains so much about the permanent war mindset. War forever, victory never.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton
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I'm so old I remember when, " overwhelming force " was the appropriate response.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton
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I'm so old I remember when, " overwhelming force " was the appropriate response.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 31, 2023 02:03 PM (HO/bY)
330
I'm surprised we've gotten this far on a military thread and nobody has tried to re-fight the War Between the States.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 31, 2023 02:04 PM (yWvc2)
331
EV recharging stations: not enough of them. When you find one, the lines are long. By the time it's your turn to charge, the charging station is out of order. When you look up availability on your app, the app gives you outdated or inaccurate information. Then it's rinse and repeat or look for a motel and hope for the best.
Posted by: mrp
A friend works at the reservation desk of a hotel chain. He got an irate call from a guest because the hotel at which he was staying had no recharging station and he couldn't leave until he recharged. (And also because it is a well known fact that reservation clerks rule time, space, the universe, and everything.)
Posted by: mrp
A friend works at the reservation desk of a hotel chain. He got an irate call from a guest because the hotel at which he was staying had no recharging station and he couldn't leave until he recharged. (And also because it is a well known fact that reservation clerks rule time, space, the universe, and everything.)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 31, 2023 02:05 PM (FVME7)
332
On the contrary, the shrinking cost of war makes nuclear war much more likely.
As Saint Lemay of SAC once proclaimed, "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting."
As Saint Lemay of SAC once proclaimed, "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting."
Posted by: setnaffa at December 31, 2023 02:37 PM (MoiSZ)
333
cbd, you're Fucking insane. Neocons are Fucking insane.
Posted by: NikeM at December 31, 2023 02:55 PM (UOZS4)
334
The effectiveness of drones is temporary. The problem has been that you can throw together a drone from commercial parts really quickly, and the solution is bespoke. But those solutions are in the pipeline. Something like _Flakpanzer Gepard,_ with its autocannons, can down cheap drones cheaply.
Posted by: Ace's liver at December 31, 2023 04:02 PM (wGeit)
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This trend was predicted decades ago as militaries, or at least military/defense research organizations, began to suggest "common, off-the-shelf" technology for weapons. It appears that either many major nations overlooked how quickly this had advanced or assumed nobody could cobble such systems together right now. The first and second Armenian-Azeri conflicts should have been a wakeup call but it's not clear that people paid attention. Shooting cheap down drones with very expensive missiles is one of the only options for most western nations as they retired their mobile AA platforms using 20mm/30mm cannons and .50 caliber machine guns many years ago.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at December 31, 2023 04:47 PM (b5mAA)
336
Maybe it's time to spend that $10M missile on a enemy leader and not just a enemy fighter.
Posted by: Prickly Pete Salmonella at December 31, 2023 07:37 PM (dFG8E)
337
The short-term answer to commodity drones and RPGs and rockets is power. Oceans of artillery and bombs fired at every target of opportunity. They are reasonably inexpensive, and surprisingly accurate! But the goal is not pinpoint accuracy to kill only the drone operator in a spider hole in an abandoned building. The goal is to terrify and intimidate and destroy the will to fight.
Sure.
Because there's nothing to ring in 2024 like WW3!!
Sure.
Because there's nothing to ring in 2024 like WW3!!
Posted by: dad29 at December 31, 2023 07:47 PM (WPUxP)
338
Well if you truly believe in economics, all the massive destruction in the world will not equalize the costs and eventually the newer warfare will win out.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at December 31, 2023 07:48 PM (cMXNt)
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All that 4th and 5th gen horseshit goes right out the window if we just get serious snd kill people.
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