Vapid Wannabe-Cheerleader Nikki Haley, When Asked About the Cause of the Civil War: "What Do <i>You</i> Think Caused It?"

Vapid Wannabe-Cheerleader Nikki Haley, When Asked About the Cause of the Civil War: "What Do You Think Caused It?"

She answered like this because she's a liberal-ish neocon, and she has no idea what actual conservatives think.

Actual conservatives think that the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery. (Well, you can say "states rights," and there is some truth in that, but that elides the fact that the state right being fought over was the right for some people to own other people. The war wasn't fought over states rights generally, but about one state "right" in particular.)

Nikki Haley had no idea how to answer so she punted the question back to the questioner.

Nikki Haley declined to say that slavery was a cause of the Civil War on Wednesday evening, placing the blame, instead, on the role of government.
The former UN Ambassador and South Carolina governor, who has seen her star rise in the first-in-the-nation primary state, was appearing at a town hall event in Berlin, New Hampshire, when a voter asked her to identify the cause of the war.
"I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run," she responded. "The freedoms and what people could and couldn't do. What do you think the cause of the Civil War was or argument?"
The questioner, who could not be easily heard off camera, was apparently unpersuaded by Haley's response. When she asked him what he believed the cause of the war was, he replied that he wasn't running for president.
"I think it always comes down to the role of government and what the rights of the people are," Haley replied. "And I will always stand by the fact that I think government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. It was never meant to be all things to all people. Government doesn't need to tell you how to live your life. They don't need to tell you what you can and can't do. They don't need to be a part of your life. They need to make sure that you have freedom. We need to have capitalism. We need to have economic freedom. We need to make sure that we do all things so that individuals have the liberties so that they can have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to do or be anything they want to be without government getting in the way."

That might sound good, but that's part of Nikki Haley's song-and-dance about why we can't outlaw genital mutilation for children. It's the standard neocon hustle about any social issue: "The government shouldn't be involved in deciding what experimental surgeries children can get. I'm a Real Conservative!"

Kochservative more like it am i rite

When the questioner said it was "astonishing" to hear her respond "without mentioning the word slavery," Haley replied: "What do you want me to say about slavery?" She then asked for the next question.

She is very maladroit and has all the charm of a toe blister. Not sure why Boeing decided to shower her with millions of dollars.

Just kidding, I know why.

Yes
States Rights was a cause of the Civil War
But the state right in question was
SLAVERY#NikkiHaley was trying to pander to a false idea that the populist Right somehow denies slavery#FAIL pic.twitter.com/Aqpbnxla5b
— Jim Hanson (@JimHansonDC) December 28, 2023

DeSantis pounded her.

RON DESANTIS reacts to Nikki Haley’s “incomprehensible word salad” about the cause of the Civil War:

Haley “is not a candidate that's ready for primetime. And she's gotten a pretty free ride from a lot of the corporate press. The minute that she faces any type of scrutiny, she… pic.twitter.com/HISbW85pDF
— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) December 28, 2023

He wants her out of the way, of course. The anti-Trump vote consists of two distinct parts: Actual conservative populists like me who think Donald Trump is a fuck-up only capable of tweets and rally statements, not actually enacting any of his alleged program into law,* and simple liberal neocons who object to Trump not because he can't implement his own claimed policy but because they hate that policy and want to return to Country Club Corporatism.

With Nikki Haley in the race, the latter type of voter will vote for this liberalism-but-with-tax-breaks-for-the-rich pablum.

DeSantis wants her out so that this kind of establishment corporatist has no other choice but to support him, at least, if they want to oppose Trump.

Weird that Trump was (is?) considering her as a vice presidential pick.

Apparently Trump can't deny he's mulling adding this establishment shill as a vice president, because his son is out there now telling Fox News he'll stop his father from picking her.

onald Trump Jr. said Monday he would go to "great lengths" to prevent GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley from joining his father's campaign.
Trump Jr. said during a Christmas Day interview that he views Haley as the "preferred candidate" of the Washington establishment.
"I wouldn't have her on, and I would go to great lengths to make sure that that doesn't happen," Trump Jr. said on Newsmax's "The Balance."
"Nikki Haley wants never-ending wars," he continued. "She's a puppet of the establishment in Washington D.C. She's the new favorite candidate of the billionaire class, because they want control -- no different than academia at Harvard and using, you know, their billions to exercising influence. They want someone they control. Ron DeSantis has proven that he doesn't have what it takes to be on that stage. He's embarrassed himself that way. She's now the preferred candidate."
Trump Jr. suggested Haley would try to sabotage Trump's campaign "from within" if she was chosen as his running mate.
"No, I would not want Nikki Haley to be there," he added. "By the way, all you'd get is her and team trying to destroy Donald Trump from within, forever. The second she ever got that, you know, anointment, it would be a disaster of epic proportions. So, I would hope that never is on the table, and I don't think it is."

This kid:

Child roasts Nikki Haley as a flip-flopper straight to her face:

"You're basically the new John Kerry." pic.twitter.com/G5Hl8LZqj2
— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) December 28, 2023

* I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:45 PM

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Posted by: RUReadingthis at December 28, 2023 02:46 PM (aQ25I)

2 Hello, fellow conservatives.

Posted by: PG at December 28, 2023 02:46 PM (gQbO4)

3 Nikki Haley sucks, and not in the good way.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 28, 2023 02:47 PM (fKIdX)

4 You're basically the new John Kerry."

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Low blow, dude, low blow.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 02:48 PM (FVME7)

5 It was a gotcha question and yeah, she failed miserably.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 02:48 PM (Hkcdp)

6 Slavery it is!

Posted by: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon at December 28, 2023 02:48 PM (2yu8s)

7 Uh oh. A Civil-War-adjacent thread. I think I'd better skip this one.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 02:48 PM (9yWhg)

8 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 02:48 PM (Zz0t1)

9 Top 10?!?

Posted by: GM27, SEP Field Technician at December 28, 2023 02:49 PM (RKLPC)

10 Barely...

Posted by: GM27, SEP Field Technician at December 28, 2023 02:49 PM (RKLPC)

11 She is very maladroit and has all the charm of a toe blister. Not sure why Boeing decided to shower her with millions of dollars.

Nikki Haley is the right wing of the uniparty. Like Shrub or Mittens. But without the charisma.

I've seriously never seen a candidate with so little support in her own party pushed so hard.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 02:49 PM (XqcwY)

12 She's getting that "pinched face" look that women get when they're under duress.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 02:49 PM (Q4IgG)

13 I honestly would've rather her say "What the smothered in gravy f*ck does that have to do with defeating the Democrat/Biden criminal enterprise?"

A question right now about the Civil War is largely irrelevant.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)

14 The states' rights fought over were not slavery.
The Union used slavery as a recruiting tool.
Fort Sumter was not fired on because they wanted to keep slaves, it was because the North was strangling them economically.
Jeez.

Posted by: Veeshir at December 28, 2023 02:50 PM (mpmL+)

15 Bad: Jill Biden speaking for her "president" husband.

Good: Donald Trump, Jr. speaking for his president father.

DTJ needs to STFU and STFD, and it needs to be DJT who tells him so. He won't, of course.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (CsUN+)

16 When folx read to the bottom of the content, this will be lit AF.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (MvF+J)

17 It also keeps her from alienating her real masters while at the same time not alienating the people she wants to fool. So she comes off as a retard.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (di6C2)

18 Weird that Trump was (is?) considering her as a vice presidential pick.

Unnamed sources say...

Posted by: Inogame at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (53oGX)

19 The states' rights fought over were not slavery.
The Union used slavery as a recruiting tool.
Fort Sumter was not fired on because they wanted to keep slaves, it was because the North was strangling them economically.
Jeez.

Ah, the Lost Cause has arrived.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (CsUN+)

20 If one reads the actual secession declarations of the individual southern states, they all pretty much say the reason they're seceding from the union is over the question of slavery, which is what they felt was a states rights issue.

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (gmo/4)

21 Yes, Sponge, exactly.

You want to talk about slavery, how about we talk about the massive human trafficking across our Southern border and how many of those are child sex slacked? Why is Biden allowing cartels and coyotes to flourish?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (Hkcdp)

22 What the smothered in gravy f*ck

Sorry. Nikki doesn't do anything for me, even if she were smothered in gravy.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 02:52 PM (9yWhg)

23 Whether EnterTAINTment Biz, Banking, Liberal or Neocon whores, they are whores nonetheless.

Posted by: Despise Marxist & GOPe Rat Bastards at December 28, 2023 02:52 PM (5DfsO)

24 13 I honestly would've rather her say "What the smothered in gravy f*ck does that have to do with defeating the Democrat/Biden criminal enterprise?"

A question right now about the Civil War is largely irrelevant.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)

My answer? "Do you know there are more Slaves as a total number, today, then existed then? But you want me to refight the Civil War which FREED the Slaves?'

"How about we talk about Human smuggling, the Cartels, and slavery in the Middle East and Africa'...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 02:52 PM (xaFKb)

25 Good afternoon everyone.

This thread reminds me - I need to get myself to the Battle of Franklin (Tennessee) site. Those folks do a fantastic job of curating.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2023 02:53 PM (mp9e7)

26 16 When folx read to the bottom of the content, this will be lit AF.
Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (MvF+J)

Heh.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 02:53 PM (di6C2)

27 To be honest, the more I learn about that period in history, the more I realize that the war was about not letting one or more states leave the union more than anything else.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2023 02:53 PM (lTGtQ)

28 I don't know why any Republican should be afraid of a gotcha question from a reporter. The reporter is lazy, stupid and badly educated.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 02:54 PM (x42Y3)

29 Don't trust her ... she seems like typical GOPe that would pimp their own mom for $15 BJs behind the local 7-11. She would sell us out in a heart beat. Hard pass ...

Posted by: ET at December 28, 2023 02:54 PM (plqnc)

30 Sorry. Nikki doesn't do anything for me, even if she were smothered in gravy.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 02:52 PM (9yWhg)

Same here. However, what if they got rid of the gravy and wrapped her in bacon?

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 02:54 PM (gmo/4)

31 18 Weird that Trump was (is?) considering her as a vice presidential pick.

Unnamed sources say...
Posted by: Inogame at December 28, 2023 02:51 PM (53oGX)

*wakes up from nap*
I hear people talking about Trump picking Haley? Huh. I could see it.*

*ridiculous shades of the shit we used to hear from ... was that a Kerry schtick?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 02:54 PM (di6C2)

32 It's hard to take commenters here seriously if they won't use their real names.

Posted by: Nicola Halleyopolis at December 28, 2023 02:54 PM (NBVIP)

33 Nikki is a female Jeb! but perhaps (or even for sure) more stupid…

BTW…. The republican primary is over. Trump will win / has won. So all the never Trumpers and people who think Trump is stupid and incompetent I’m sorry but a vast majority of GOP primary voters think otherwise

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 02:54 PM (xT8gx)

34 Down Goes Haley! Down Goes Haley! Down Goes Haley!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 28, 2023 02:54 PM (Edu7X)

35 Same here. However, what if they got rid of the gravy and wrapped her in bacon?

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 02:54 PM (gmo/4)

A turd wrapped in bacon is a terrible waste of bacon.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 02:55 PM (di6C2)

36 I don't, for one minute, believe that Haley was ever on Trump's short list for VP.

That was a MEDIA GENERATED LOAD. Period.

Don Jr. came out and addressed it to shut them up. Trump never said he was considering her and has been calling her "birdbrain" for a while now.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 02:55 PM (Zz0t1)

37 "...she's a liberal-ish neocon..."
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I think you misspelled fascist.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 02:55 PM (ih9qp)

38 BTW…. The republican primary is over. Trump will win / has won. So all the never Trumpers and people who think Trump is stupid and incompetent I’m sorry but a vast majority of GOP primary voters think otherwise

You may well be correct. That's why we have primaries. That doesn't make those of us who prefer DeSantis wrong.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (CsUN+)

39 Down Goes Haley! Down Goes Haley! Down Goes Haley!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

There are entire Pronhub channels with that very content.

Or so I've been told.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (mp9e7)

40 Please clap.

Posted by: Nikki! at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (NBVIP)

41 27 To be honest, the more I learn about that period in history, the more I realize that the war was about not letting one or more states leave the union more than anything else.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2023 02:53 PM (lTGtQ)

Yup. Judge by actions... not historical rewrites. Slaves were not freed until the very end of the war... and Lincoln constantly spoke about keeping the Union intact.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (xaFKb)

42 It was just a hypothetical bacon question.

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (gmo/4)

43 Another valid slavery question would be re: China’s slow-motion genocide of the Uyghurs and how Apple and Nike have factories-inside- Uyghur prison camps.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (Hkcdp)

44 Nikki is such a Democrat in Rino clothing that I don't think she knows that the Republican Party was formed specifically to oppose slavery!

Yes, that is exactly the kind of person I want in a leadership role.

/sarc off

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (HlyYF)

45 This imbroglio trumps the Dylan - Donovan conflict.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (pZ64F)

46 Don Jr. came out and addressed it to shut them up. Trump never said he was considering her and has been calling her "birdbrain" for a while now.

Why did Trump need his son to do that? He can speak for himself on a topic which was very dangerous to his campaign.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (CsUN+)

47 A grade schooler can tell the difference between Socratese and sophistry when they smell it.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (as3uC)

48 For some reason her smile in that last vid reminded me of Pelosi. Without the dentures.

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (Rn/yD)

49 FFS, Ace. Can you please, please, PLEASE stop with this gaslighting nonsense that Trump didn't accomplish a hell of a lot during his first administration, and overcame totally unprecedented levels of opposition to do it?

I know you are terminally butthurt over Trump defenestrating your mancrush DeSantis but just type "Trump accomplishments in office" into a search engine. This "Trump didn't do nuthin" spiel is beneath you.

Posted by: MBunge at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (2tWdQ)

50 * I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him.

I think that Trump knows who loves him and who does not and will work like a workaholic to make life better for those who appreciate him (this also makes life better for normal people who don't particularly support him). He has talked for decades about the potential of this country and it's an animating aspect of his mindset. I don't think all those years of wanting to see America shine like never before are going to just dissipate.

Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (Sf2cq)

51 Actual conservatives think that the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery.

THat is what the liberal historians and the education establishment want you to believe. But it is not completely true.

Yes slavery was part of it but there were a lot of other issues. The high tariffs paid by the South which financed major projects in the North and a lot of other issue which the Northern merchants all favored the North over the South.

In other words it was much like what we have now when the Democrats hold both houses of congress.

Posted by: vic at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (A5THL)

52 Fwiw, we had the civil war because a bunch of fuckwads were trying to renege the deal, which is referred to as the Constitution of the United States.

It was the same bunch of fuckwads that are screaming about climate change now.

If they had wanted to end slavery they would have just bought out the slaves, however that is not what they wanted, they wanted to force the slave holders to surrender the slaves without compensation.

Basically it was another illegal taking by do-gooder know nothings.

We should have just bought out the slaveholders at market value which would have given the slaveholders enough to recapitalize farms, businesses, whatever.

But there's no righteous indignation and hatred there

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (C1yDy)

53 Now peak Haley Mills in gravy or bacon...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (9yWhg)

54 Uh oh. A Civil-War-adjacent thread. I think I'd better skip this one.
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The other one that started in the 1860s too!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (2yu8s)

55 These romneybushes need to learn to turn these stupid, irrelevant gotcha questions around and respond with a "What does something started by Democrats 160 years ago have to do with my running for office in the 21st century? Next question."

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (a/7LW)

56 This imbroglio trumps the Dylan - Donovan conflict.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Imbroglio is very contagious, right?

Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (mp9e7)

57 Off the rails again I see. I'll wait for the next thread.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (BdMk6)

58 39 She's worse than Romney.

>>

Not possible. That butt-hurt elitist carpetbagger is the litmus test

Posted by: Despise Marxist & GOPe Rat Bastards at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (5DfsO)

59 The States right was skavery

Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (houa1)

60 44 Why bring it up if there isn't jackshit we can do about it?

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (MvF+J)

61 * I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:45 PM

Yes, because Trump going around the country calling the media 'fake news' and 'the enemy of the people' is because he secretly wants to date them....

FFS.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (Zz0t1)

62 Honestly, I think it's weird when anyone says they want someone to implement their policies.

We're beyond policies. The two sides are the oligarchs and everyone else. A candidate is either beholden (or wholly owned by) oligarchs, or they're not.

The reason I wouldn't support DeSanctimonious is because he's beholden to them, the reason I wouldn't support for Nikki the Nuke is because she's owned.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (pydNp)

63 Sorry. Nikki doesn't do anything for me, even if she were smothered in gravy.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 02:52 PM

Curry with a cringe on top.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (SzI2j)

64 Real eyes realize real lies.

Posted by: Turkey bacon is an abomination at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (NBVIP)

65 The problem with the above is that single causal explanations in history are never right. They cannot be, as history involves the interaction of many agents. You would have to have an agent who was truly absolute for them to work, and even Genghis Khan couldn't do that.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (1bNHn)

66 Why did Trump need his son to do that? He can speak for himself on a topic which was very dangerous to his campaign.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (CsUN+)

Did someone ask him?
maybe the link to that interview was left out...

Posted by: Inogame at December 28, 2023 02:59 PM (53oGX)

67 This thread reminds me - I need to get myself to the Battle of Franklin (Tennessee) site. Those folks do a fantastic job of curating.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2023 02:53 PM (mp9e7)

I got to see the Shiloh battlefield two summers ago. I love civil war history so actually walking there is a special experience and it helps you understand the battle so much better…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 02:59 PM (xT8gx)

68 Yup. Judge by actions... not historical rewrites. Slaves were not freed until the very end of the war... and Lincoln constantly spoke about keeping the Union intact.
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Lincoln went Total War after being re-elected. Prior to that he was for saving the union. After that he was for killing 22% of the Union and maiming another couple of million cuz slaves. The Union Army nearly bolted on that about face war aim.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 02:59 PM (pZ64F)

69 Remember when a rightwing candidate flubs a gotcha question the FNM immediately demands the candidate withdraw.

Well Nikki you flubbed this hard. You are the Akens of Stockdales. Time to go home to whatever lobbying firm you have lined up.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (XqcwY)

70 This imbroglio trumps the Dylan - Donovan conflict.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Imbroglio is very contagious, right?

Don't take Imbroglio if you're allergic to Imbroglio.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (CsUN+)

71 -Slavery
-Federalism Vs States Rights
-I also remember that there was a lot of... turmoil over industry and access to it coming from the South. Arms Manufacture? Cannon works? Something like that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (di6C2)

72 Yeah, slavery was the cause of the war. There was a lot of other friction, but that was the fracture point, and it wasn't exactly a surprise to anyone who signed the Constitution, or their kids, or their kids' kids.

But there was a lot more than slavery to that war. It's not an easy topic.

But what if she had an easy topic? Like what her favorite color is? The little dullard would still be looking over her shoulder for the answer. "Is it blue? What's the hex value for the Dem logo blue? What about fuchsia? Don't women love that? I'm supposed to be one of those, right?"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (0FoWg)

73 She's Romenemy with tits. Not even very nice ones.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (SzI2j)

74 I got to see the Shiloh battlefield two summers ago. I love civil war history so actually walking there is a special experience and it helps you understand the battle so much better…
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True. You can't understand Gettysburg until you've walked the ground.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (pZ64F)

75 Apu on the Simpsons gave a better answer.

https://youtu.be/SFwHQYDqf6c?si=Sb0x_fU-Bj94pDcv

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (AecnA)

76 Seems like an easy question for a Republican to answer:

Slave-owning Democrats got mad because an anti-slavery Republican was elected president. The Democrats then staged an actual insurrection and tried to start their own country, because the slave-owning Democrats were sore losers who didn't want to stop owning black people.

Posted by: Cave Johnson at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (AwSfT)

77 47 Don Jr. came out and addressed it to shut them up. Trump never said he was considering her and has been calling her "birdbrain" for a while now.

Why did Trump need his son to do that? He can speak for himself on a topic which was very dangerous to his campaign.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (CsUN+)

Probably because Don Jr was in an interview and was asked a question about her? So he, like... you know.. answered?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (xaFKb)

78 Was it over when the Nazis bombed Ft. Sumter?

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (gmo/4)

79 Seventh graders can tell Socratese from sophistry without knowing who Socratese is.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (as3uC)

80 Curry with a cringe on top.

Butthurt chicken.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (9yWhg)

81 Obviously, it was slavery. Attempts to rehabilitate the Confederacy or pretend it wasn't an evil entity are obscene. Strange why she couldn't just say that.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (UYnhV)

82 I'm not voting for another woman simply because she's a woman, a woman of color, completely pliable to the wishes of the "R" party, etc. Unfortunately, that's why I think Haley is in the presidential race.

There must be other conservative woman who would also not be so swayed. We're neither idiots nor democrats - or both.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (GshMh)

83 She's worse than Romney.

Romney is arguably the most dangerous member of the uniparty.

He's fairly component unlike your Jebs, Bidens, and Obamas.

And he believes in all the same shit they do.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (XqcwY)

84 Another valid slavery question would be re: China’s slow-motion genocide of the Uyghurs and how Apple and Nike have factories-inside- Uyghur prison camps.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (Hkcdp)

Crowder is fond of saying there's more slavery today than ever before in human history, it's just not white westerners doing the enslaving, so no one wants to talk about it.

All your holiday chocolate was harvested by slaves! Enjoy!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (ih9qp)

85 Ace's take on Trump is so stupid it's astounding.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (wh9C3)

86 57 This imbroglio trumps the Dylan - Donovan conflict.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Imbroglio is very contagious, right?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (mp9e7)

Donovan's Reef was a good movie. The brunette in that was quite hot.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (di6C2)

87 In the years/decades prior to the Civil War the northern and southern economies were joined at the hip. Almost all southern commodities and goods were sold up north while northern manufactured goods were sold down south. Of all the railroad track mileage laid in the south, 75% of it ran south to north while the remaining 25% ran east to west. Cities like Charleston, New Orleans, and Vicksburgh had much more in common with Boston, Philadelphia, and NYC than they had with each other. BUT the one thing the southern states had in common - which they did not share with the north - was slavery.

Anyone who cannot acknowledge that slavery was the main cause of the Civil War does not belong in public office.

Posted by: JT Smith at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (FxdZx)

88 I just received a spam email from Haley asking for a donation.

As if.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (YqDXo)

89
Why did Trump need his son to do that? He can speak for himself on a topic which was very dangerous to his campaign.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (CsUN+)

https://is.gd/UIoMIK

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (Zz0t1)

90 Make sure all of your slaves have been jabbed and boosted! Make sure they all wear two masks!!

Posted by: Karen McWinebox at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (NBVIP)

91 "Apparently Trump can't deny he's mulling adding this establishment shill as a vice president, because his son is out there now telling Fox News he'll stop his father from picking her."

Misleading. As was discussed in the last thread, Trump himself has shit all over Nikki. It's hard to read his public Truth post (December 26) and think there's any chance he'll pick her as VP. Can we all please put this dumb idea to rest?

https://is.gd/UIoMIK

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (iFTx/)

92 Oh, the "Revolutionary War" or as we conservatives prefer to call it, the Colonial Rebellion, was fought over radical leftists refusing to submit to the Divine Right of the King? What do you want me to say about tea?

Posted by: Nikki Haley at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (fKIdX)

93 Apu on the Simpsons gave a better answer.

https://youtu.be/SFwHQYDqf6c?si=Sb0x_fU-Bj94pDcv
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo

I was hoping someone found that faster than I could.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (mp9e7)

94 Trump and Don. Know what they are doing without waiting for the earpiece.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (as3uC)

95 because the slave-owning Democrats were sore losers who didn't want to stop owning black people.

98/100

Just add the word plantation in there and you are good to make every leftists' head in America explode

Posted by: 18-1 at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (XqcwY)

96 But what if she had an easy topic? Like what her favorite color is?

It's a harder question than you'd think
http://tinyurl.com/2hcwe3k6

Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (CsUN+)

97 LOL, Birdbrain. She's the Regime's Gal!

Haley as Trump's Veep would ensure that his time in office would be very short indeed. DiSantis as Veep gives Trump 4 full years and gives us a shot at 12 years of a Trump-ish Presidency. Yeah, I'm still holding out for th Dream Ticket

Posted by: Ex GOP at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (qS8WV)

98 42 To be honest, the more I learn about that period in history, the more I realize that the war was about not letting one or more states leave the union more than anything else.
___________________________________

True Lincoln was really worries about the major tragic on the Mississippi River being blocked by the South.

Posted by: vic at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (A5THL)

99 There must be other conservative woman who would also not be so swayed. We're neither idiots nor democrats - or both.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM (GshMh)

Yeah, like Joni Ernst.

Oh wait...

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:02 PM (G3wpM)

100 I'd like to hear what the candidates think is the cause of the current civil war.

The first one isn't relevant and I could care less what the candidates think about it. It's a talking point their staff would have crafted anyway...

Mouse... moved cheese, etc.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (Q4IgG)

101 " * I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him."

YUUUUUUUPPPPp

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (UYnhV)

102 Damn. Wrong thread.

>>>After a stint at the UN, Nikki Haley is damaged goods. An ambassadorship in the Philippines would be more lucrative than the fucking UN.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (J3ryZ)

103 Elizabeth Allen! Damn this 29 year old memory.

http://tinyurl.com/ycxe8rzu

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (di6C2)

104 But what if she had an easy topic? Like what her favorite color is? The little dullard would still be looking over her shoulder for the answer. "Is it blue? What's the hex value for the Dem logo blue? What about fuchsia? Don't women love that? I'm supposed to be one of those, right?"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (0FoWg)

What's your favorite color....

Blue, no Red..... awwwwwwwwww

/Haley gets tossed into the chasm...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (xaFKb)

105 We'd prefer not to talk about it.

Posted by: The Most Recent Unpleasantness at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (NBVIP)

106 DTJ needs to STFU and STFD, and it needs to be DJT who tells him so. He won't, of course.
Posted by: Archimedes

-------------------------------

DJT wants DTJ out there. He's a trusted lieutenant. If he says something that gets people motivated in the right way, great, it's 'Trump's position'. If not, well, he's not speaking for 'Trump', and PR lesson learned... I don't have a problem with Trump having a 'trusted lieutenant' out carrying messages. I just wish the messages carried weren't "forgive Bud Light" or "forgive Disney" (when neither have apologized or acknowledged they'll stop championing the Marxist corrosion of our society) or "Ron Desantis is gay".

Posted by: bearski at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (Bhsk7)

107 Probably because Don Jr was in an interview and was asked a question about her? So he, like... you know.. answered?

No, he inserted himself into the discussion, as if he has some role to play here. He should have just said "Dad has already addressed this", but he didn't. He thinks he's more important than he is.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (CsUN+)

108 Drunken Irish immigrants in the South hated the drunken Irish immigrants in the North and thought all their shit was retarded.

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM (gmo/4)

109 Yes. The Dems, MFM, et alia have learned their lesson and will stop calling Trump "Hitler" and instead brownnose him!

http://tinyurl.com/2s45um3p

http://tinyurl.com/5amz43vj

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM (2yu8s)

110 I'll vote for DJT if he's on the ticket, but here's a diss against DJT I'll throw in to feed the flames: Bongino interviewed DJT by phone yesterday, asked him about the vax fiasco. DJT said "Yes that was all Fauci, and remember that Fauci was installed by Bush." Bongino of course did not challenge his bestie bud.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM (MvF+J)

111 Use every loaded word you can when responding to this question.
"The civil war was fought to stop democrat led states from owning slaves. Democrats loved slavery, and when a republican administration starting pushing the end of slavery, the democrats responded with an actual real insurrection that led to the civil war".

Posted by: RealityMain at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM (nUqDT)

112 “He wants her out of the way, of course. The anti-Trump vote consists of two distinct parts: Actual conservative populists like me who think Donald Trump is a fuck-up only capable of tweets and rally statements, not actually enacting any of his alleged program into law,* and simple liberal neocons who object to Trump not because he can't implement his own claimed policy but because they hate that policy and want to return to Country Club Corporatism.”

Dear God Ace, you actually know nothing of what President Trump accomplished.
Can you be that ignorant?

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM (MwHgU)

113 I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves.
________________

Respectfully, I totally disagree. I strongly suspect that Trump would spend four years getting pay-back for all the shit the lefties inflicted on him. He might crave approval, but I think he craves vengeance even more.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM (YqDXo)

114 We should have just bought out the slaveholders at market value which would have given the slaveholders enough to recapitalize farms, businesses, whatever.

But there's no righteous indignation and hatred there
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You understand the predatory nature of Caine. Yes, Roundheads and Crazy Quakers want blood. Always. BTW, the cost of a buyout would have been pennies on the dollar that was spent murdering 22% of America. And the Federal Government of the time ran on tariffs of Southern exports. Lincoln was a moron.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:05 PM (pZ64F)

115 Difficulties over here -- I like both Trump and DeSantis, but apparently we're supposed to hate whichever one is not our favorite.

Can't we just appreciate them both?

Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 03:05 PM (Sf2cq)

116 I just received a spam email from Haley asking for a donation.

As if.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:01 PM

You could send the envelope with two pieces of paper with the word fuck on them. Two fucks given Nikki!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:05 PM (SzI2j)

117 I suspect if Vivek had been asked this same BS DEI-bait question he could have easily pivoted to a more relevant slavers discussion.

She failed because she couldn’t even finesse a basic gotcha question.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:05 PM (Hkcdp)

118 100. Yeah, like Joni Ernst.

Oh wait...

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Regarding my votes.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 28, 2023 03:05 PM (GshMh)

119 Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM (MwHgU)

He accomplished getting Joe Biden in power, for which he will always have my deep contempt.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (UYnhV)

120 _DiSantis as Veep gives Trump 4 full years and gives us a shot at 12 years of a Trump-ish Presidency. Yeah, I'm still holding out for th Dream Ticket_

All the Trumpists in X say Homo DeSanctimonious is the butt boy of George Soros and Paul Ryan. Also, he wears boots, which makes him a homo.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (AecnA)

121 I also think he's smart enough to know that he can never repair his reputation with the Reds now, no matter what he does, so he might as well go scorched earth on them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (YqDXo)

122 Respectfully, I totally disagree. I strongly suspect that Trump would spend four years getting pay-back for all the shit the lefties inflicted on him. He might crave approval, but I think he craves vengeance even more.
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Embrace the concept of 'and.'

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (pZ64F)

123 Actual conservatives think that the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery.
-
It was part of the dispute.

The problem is the question of "Should slavery be practiced inside the United States?" was solved by the South's secession. At that point the dispute, when it was actually fought, was over the evil notion that the federal government had authority over the states which could never be ended.

I say evil because this contradicts the fundamental truth that the federal government owes its existence to the permission given to it by the states in ratifying the Constitution. Implicit in that arrangement is that the permission is temporary and conditional and can be revoked in part (by secession) or in whole (by abolishing by whatever means are available).

Posted by: Methos at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (Dnobf)

124 Good for DeSantis nailing Nikki
Though he should know the rule- Don't stick your dick in crazy

Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (houa1)

125 Use every loaded word you can when responding to this question.
"The civil war was fought to stop democrat led states from owning slaves. Democrats loved slavery, and when a republican administration starting pushing the end of slavery, the democrats responded with an actual real insurrection that led to the civil war".

Posted by: RealityMain at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM

THIS.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (SzI2j)

126 "Actual conservatives think that the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery."

I think it was more complicated and nuanced than that. Yes, slavery and the moral objection to it was a major factor. But it was also an economic struggle with slavery playing a role. The North needed low-skilled workers in droves. Where to find them? Gee, there are millions of laborers enduring terrible conditions down South, who would probably be happy to come North. But they're not free to leave. Hmmmmm . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2023 03:07 PM (iFTx/)

127 Yes slavery was part of it but there were a lot of other issues.

There were peace negotiations before Lincoln took office. Southern democrats were willing to give up every single one of those “other issues”. The only issue that mattered to them was the ”right” to spread slavery into non-slave states. And that was the one issue Lincoln and the Republicans representing him in those negotiations were unwilling to fold on.

We could use Republicans like that now.

Posted by: White House refrigerator at December 28, 2023 03:07 PM (3y5Ij)

128 Seems like an easy question for a Republican to answer:

Slave-owning Democrats got mad because an anti-slavery Republican was elected president. The Democrats then staged an actual insurrection and tried to start their own country, because the slave-owning Democrats were sore losers who didn't want to stop owning black people.
Posted by: Cave Johnson at December 28, 2023 03:00 PM (AwSfT)

That's a damn good campaign presser answer.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2023 03:07 PM (BdMk6)

129 Elizabeth Allen! Damn this 29 year old memory.

http://tinyurl.com/ycxe8rzu
Posted by: Aetius451AD

That's a man, baby.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:07 PM (9yWhg)

130 We don't need no stinkin' habeas corpus.

Posted by: A. Lincoln at December 28, 2023 03:07 PM (NBVIP)

131 Same here, Emmie!

Auron McIntyre on twitter has the best analysis of what happened with DeSantis, how he was used by NeverTrump to both attack Trump and to destroy DeSantis’ career.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:09 PM (Hkcdp)

132 121 _DiSantis as Veep gives Trump 4 full years and gives us a shot at 12 years of a Trump-ish Presidency. Yeah, I'm still holding out for th Dream Ticket_

All the Trumpists in X say Homo DeSanctimonious is the butt boy of George Soros and Paul Ryan. Also, he wears boots, which makes him a homo.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (AecnA)

I hear he wears these:

http://tinyurl.com/5f5ebyh7

Size 7. A width.

A guy I worked with years ago actually did wear shoes like that to work once. He was eastern european of some type.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:09 PM (di6C2)

133 It was states rights, the slavery bit was a sideshow

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 03:09 PM (C1yDy)

134 27 To be honest, the more I learn about that period in history, the more I realize that the war was about not letting one or more states leave the union more than anything else.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2023 02:53 PM (lTGtQ)

Yup. Judge by actions... not historical rewrites. Slaves were not freed until the very end of the war... and Lincoln constantly spoke about keeping the Union intact.

That’s actually true. States rights, Including the right to slavery was at the heart of the war
Lincoln didn’t even name it as the main reason till the end with so Many deaths he knew in his heart that spiritually a greater reason for the absolute horror laid on the battlefield was for slavery to end.
Ot was NOT the primary reason

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:09 PM (MwHgU)

135 This imbroglio trumps the Dylan - Donovan conflict.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Imbroglio is very contagious, right?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 28, 2023 02:57 PM (mp9e7)

Natalie? I'd say she's sometimes infectious, not contageous.

I liked that one song she did.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (OrSq1)

136 We don't need no stinkin' habeas corpus.
Posted by: A. Lincoln

Jeff Davis suspended habeas corpus, too.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (9yWhg)

137 Deplorable Jay - Fans only?

Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (houa1)

138 The only issue that mattered to them was the ”right” to spread slavery into non-slave states. And that was the one issue Lincoln and the Republicans representing him in those negotiations were unwilling to fold on.
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So no open borders to Kansas or I will kill you, rite?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (pZ64F)

139 I was hoping someone found that faster than I could.
Posted by: Tonypete
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6 Slavery it is!
Posted by: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon

Thank you. Come again.

Posted by: Apu Nahasapeemapetilon at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (2yu8s)

140 Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (9yWhg)

And the suspension of that is expressly provided for in the Constitution.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (UYnhV)

141 I know that 99.999% of our politicians are just the Steve Buscemi "Hello Fellow Kids" meme trying to tell us what they think we want to hear, but it's really demoralizing when the mask slips enough to show that they really don't know at all what we think and we're left with an answer like that.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (fKIdX)

142 I'm sure slavery will be seared into memory now.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (xT7BI)

143 Nikki, dear, do you prefer boxers or briefs?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (J3ryZ)

144 Auron McIntyre on twitter has the best analysis of what happened with DeSantis, how he was used by NeverTrump to both attack Trump and to destroy DeSantis’ career.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:09 PM (Hkcdp)

I still say Desantis has not destroyed his career. That is just bullshit started by the same hype girls stirring up bad blood between T and D supporters. They WANT it to be true and people spend way too fucking much time on twitter listening to retards who do not have their best interests and heart.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (di6C2)

145 I don't like Haley, but I don't care about this one bit, and nothing anyone in the supposed conservative press says about it is going to make me care about it one bit either. Anyone who thinks the cause of the civil war is a burning issue in our politics is an idiot. This is a phony issue trumpeted by phonies:

Posted by: I decline to give a shit at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (pjs7m)

146 Al Gore groped a masseuse and demanded that she release his chakra. I've already had one semi-Hindu retard robot politician, and I don't need another.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (0FoWg)

147 I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves
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It just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter.

Posted by: From Meatballs (ironically enough) at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (KGMB7)

148 Natalie? I'd say she's sometimes infectious, not contageous.

I liked that one song she did.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (OrSq1)

Torn? That was her, right?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (di6C2)

149 We should have just bought out the slaveholders at market value…

This solution was on the table. Democrats refused. They were not willing to give up slavery.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (3y5Ij)

150 He accomplished getting Joe Biden in power, for which he will always have my deep contempt.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (UYnhV)

I don’t even know where to start with this…. Let’s see: Trump was so successful as prez he increased his vote total by 11 million votes from 2016 to 2020. You apparently believe the braindead guy in his basement got 81 legitimate votes. We live in two separate universes….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (xT8gx)

151 This is a phony issue trumpeted by phonies:
Posted by: I decline to give a shit at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (pjs7m)

This. Right here. This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (di6C2)

152 Lincoln constantly spoke about keeping the Union intact.

Which is why secession was such a boneheaded move. Northerners who didn't give an f about slavery, or who supported it, wouldn't fight to get rid of it. They would, however, fight to keep the country together. Secession pissed off a lot of Northerners.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (9yWhg)

153 Give you much credit, Ace, you are steadfast in opposition to The Donald. Now all that's required is a solid reason (or reasons) for that opposition.

Something besides he said "pussy" would be great.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (KATBx)

154 To be honest, the more I learn about that period in history, the more I realize that the war was about not letting one or more states leave the union more than anything else.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 28, 2023 02:53 PM (lTGtQ)
_________________

I've never understood the logic of that. If you join a club, you can never leave?? If that had been made clear at the relevant time, the South would never have joined the Union.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (YqDXo)

155 I've seriously never seen a candidate with so little support in her own party pushed so hard
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Me neither.

Posted by: John McCain at December 28, 2023 03:13 PM (KGMB7)

156 132 Same here, Emmie!

Auron McIntyre on twitter has the best analysis of what happened with DeSantis, how he was used by NeverTrump to both attack Trump and to destroy DeSantis’ career.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:09 PM (Hkcdp)

The wanna-be tyrants are busy trying to destroy anything that will stand in the way of their takeover. So they target both Trump and DeSantis in any way possible.

Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 03:13 PM (Sf2cq)

157 Ah yes the war of northern aggression. This will be good for generating lots of comments.

My current opinion is that a quite a few of the northern abolitionists were less concerned about the practice of slavery than about those dirty democrats filling the country with savage negroes. Oh they told themselves it was all about virtue and ending slavery; but much like today's AWLFs promoting abortion it was really about wanting to reduce the number of dark skinned people.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 28, 2023 03:13 PM (3cGpq)

158 Haley would never be president, mostly because a lot of conservatives are really tired of Conservative Inc, and she's the head cheerleader.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 28, 2023 03:13 PM (d2bW3)

159 Auron McIntyre on twitter has the best analysis of what happened with DeSantis, how he was used by NeverTrump to both attack Trump and to destroy DeSantis’ career.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:09 PM

Well I don't think that's fair or accurate. I still am hoping Desantis pulls off a miracle. Yes, I'll vote for Trump.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:13 PM (SzI2j)

160 Here's a quick refresher on the Emancipation Proclamation if anybody needs one:

https://youtu.be/yupu8DE6vzw

Posted by: Barney Fife at December 28, 2023 03:14 PM (NBVIP)

161 No, he inserted himself into the discussion, as if he has some role to play here. He should have just said "Dad has already addressed this", but he didn't. He thinks he's more important than he is.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (CsUN+)

Or, he knows better than you, there are shitheads who are either currently inside his dad's circle, or who would try to insert themselves into his dad's inner circle, and try to influence him in this direction.

Because THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT.

His son knows that better than anyone.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:14 PM (Ln4ME)

162 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (xT8gx)

So...Trump's "high" vote total in 2020 is proof of how popular he is, while Biden's "high" vote total is proof that it was rigged?

The fact that both candidates received a large number of votes is just a function of COVID-era voting rule changes that made it way easier to cast a vote. Whether you think that was a good idea or not, the fact is, that's why both Trump and Biden increased dramatically from 2016.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:14 PM (UYnhV)

163 TWO LAUNCHES

SpaceX Falcon Heavy Launch

X-37B SpacePlane launch

8:07 p.m. EST (0107 UTC) on Thursday, December 28, 2023

https://is.gd/TY83EO

SpaceX Falcon 9 Launches Starlink 6-36

Window Opens: December 28th at 11PM EST (04:00 UTC on the 29th)

https://is.gd/FRZKtk

Posted by: Ciampino - Gotta get one's priorities right!! at December 28, 2023 03:14 PM (qfLjt)

164 Not saying DeSantis has destroyed his career, just that this was intended with his 2024 run, because we all know how effective Trump is at destroying opponents. The ones who convinced DeSantis to run did not have his best interests in mind, they want to destroy both men.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:14 PM (Hkcdp)

165 150 We should have just bought out the slaveholders at market value…

This solution was on the table. Democrats refused. They were not willing to give up slavery.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (3y5Ij)

Moral issues of slavery aside, I can understand not wanting to be told what to do by sanctimonious busybodies. Even a compromise like that (or freeing the slaves themselves and then attacking the North) would be seen as 'giving in.' People are stubborn bastards.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:14 PM (di6C2)

166 120 Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:04 PM (MwHgU)

He accomplished getting Joe Biden in power, for which he will always have my deep contempt.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (UYnhV)

No he didn’t President Trump WON and he amd we were cheated

You get that yet?

Capiche

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (MwHgU)

167 I've seriously never seen a candidate with so little support in her own party pushed so hard
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Me neither.
Posted by: John McCain at December 28, 2023 03:13 PM

How ya doin?

Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (SzI2j)

168 Corwin Amendment, anyone? Lincoln did not oppose it and sent it to the states for ratification.

Posted by: AnthonyB at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (ET0kB)

169 I've never understood the logic of that. If you join a club, you can never leave?? If that had been made clear at the relevant time, the South would never have joined the Union.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Then the club's bylaws should have provisions spelling out the procedure for leaving.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (9yWhg)

170 Maybe if Haley got a boob job and showed some serious cleavage things would go better for her?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (pZ64F)

171 >>>She's worse than Romney.

>>

Not possible. That butt-hurt elitist carpetbagger is the litmus test
Posted by: Despise Marxist & GOPe Rat Bastards

Agreed. Romney and Miss Lindsey are galactically worse.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (d2bW3)

172 I liked that one song she did.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:10 PM (OrSq1)

Torn? That was her, right?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (di6C2)

Natalie Imbroglio — Torn

She looked fine back in the day. Good song

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (xT8gx)

173 DeSantis questions my integrity. Therefore He is sexist and racist, because I am a person of color.

Posted by: Nikki Haley at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (+oR7L)

174 Haley is the first US citizen the Kochs have ever employed.

She should file for unemployment.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (9X60i)

175 Wearing lifts is against the code!

Posted by: Mickey Abbott at December 28, 2023 03:16 PM (2yu8s)

176 Man hands!

Posted by: ET at December 28, 2023 03:16 PM (plqnc)

177 170 I've never understood the logic of that. If you join a club, you can never leave?? If that had been made clear at the relevant time, the South would never have joined the Union.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Then the club's bylaws should have provisions spelling out the procedure for leaving.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (9yWhg)

Wait, is the USA just world's largest Home Owner's Association?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 28, 2023 03:16 PM (fKIdX)

178 Give you much credit, Ace, you are steadfast in opposition to The Donald. Now all that's required is a solid reason (or reasons) for that opposition.

Something besides he said "pussy" would be great.
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I thought all my problems would be solved, and I didn't even get an obamaphone....

Posted by: Pundit who thinks political solutions are solutions at December 28, 2023 03:16 PM (KGMB7)

179 Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (MwHgU)

I prefer the type of winning where you actually win, not lose and then whine later that it was a cheat.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:16 PM (UYnhV)

180 Torn? That was her, right?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (di6C2)

Yes, that's her. I wouldn't mind creasing it a little, I don't want to tear it.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:16 PM (ih9qp)

181 No he didn’t President Trump WON and he amd we were cheated

You get that yet?

Capiche
Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (MwHgU)

But see by their formulation, Trump was the reason the coup occurred... but it somehow won't without him, I dunno.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:17 PM (di6C2)

182 Which is why secession was such a boneheaded move. Northerners who didn't give an f about slavery, or who supported it, wouldn't fight to get rid of it. They would, however, fight to keep the country together. Secession pissed off a lot of Northerners.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (9yWhg)

So, you would then agree that one of the Major reasons the Civil War was fought, was over the question of 'does a State have the right to Leave the Union?'...

Which then leads to... oh... crap... Civil War was fought over State rights...

People want to simplify things... beyond what happened at the time so they can have some moral high ground for refighting a question that was settled on the Battlefield over 150 years ago.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 03:17 PM (xaFKb)

183 I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace

Really? I'm sure he would like to be back in the good graces of the media, but Trump also strikes me as rather petty, vengeful, and very protective of his family. He knows he'll never be truly accepted, and knows the shit the media dragged him and his family through...along with all these bullshit criminal charges, I'd think he'd be on more of a "Wyatt Earp Vendetta Ride", or (at best?) fade into obscurity.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (ycI94)

184
I prefer the type of winning where you actually win, not lose and then whine later that it was a cheat.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:16 PM (UYnhV)

So, 2020 was a free and fair election, then.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)

185 Yes, that's her. I wouldn't mind creasing it a little, I don't want to tear it.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:16 PM (ih9qp)

You have to make sure the screen door can withstand being banged like it's in a hurricane.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (di6C2)

186 Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb, bomb, Iran!

Posted by: Nikki Haley at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (J3ryZ)

187 The way I look at is this: absent slavery, there would have been some other fracture. But slavery wasn't absent, and it was the point where nobody could see eye to eye. And it created an economic drag on the South that made it impossible for them to assert themselves against Northern interests, short of violence. I don't know that the war would've been averted if the South had a developed economy. But I think the chances would've been better.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (0FoWg)

188 Cleavage? Yes, definitely. If there's one thing this campaign season needs, it's more cleavage.

Posted by: One thing we can all agree on at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (NBVIP)

189 I don't care about 1865. I want to know how to abolish the Yankees in washington dc in 2023.

Let's go, boys! We've got the damn Yankees on the run again!...

Posted by: Zombie General Joe "Fighting Joe" Wheeler at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (Edu7X)

190 The ones who convinced DeSantis to run did not have his best interests in mind, they want to destroy both men.
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And Ron fell for it, ironically enough given this thread, because they sweet-talked him into it.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (2yu8s)

191 Niki Haley is a treacherous scrunt

Next question

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (C1yDy)

192 I'm reminded of the Simpsons where Apu is getting his citizenship and they ask him this question.

He starts to go into a multi-cause answer and the guy says, "just say slavery."

A cartoon Indian is smarter than Nikkiii.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (TzW+Y)

193 Nikki is no worse at politicing than DeSantis
DeSantis is no better at politicing than Nikki
Nikki's answer wasn't that bad, the question
was a setup. They knew that she's a meathead
and couldn't come up with a decent one liner.

Nikki Haley + shovel + hole

Posted by: Braenyard at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (lUstO)

194 You have to make sure the screen door can withstand being banged like it's in a hurricane.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM

What if it's covered in Flex Seal?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (SzI2j)

195
That permasmile on Haleys face as that kid calls her the new John Kerry is best sign of a PURE politician with no soul ever caught on tape.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (+oR7L)

196 The North needed low-skilled workers in droves. Where to find them? Gee, there are millions of laborers enduring terrible conditions down South, who would probably be happy to come North.
_______________

I bet the northeners regret that now.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (YqDXo)

197 Eh, recall how dang hard they pushed Jen in 2016.
Same fake lead, absolutely no excitement, just efforts to convince us he had momentum and was inevitable. Yeah, no. No one’s buying it with Haley, either.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (Hkcdp)

198 Whoa, is this 2016 again? Didn't we have those same arguments? (I remember because that was MY contention until at least a good year into Trump's run.) Trump satisfied me as to his loyalty/integrity.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (di6C2)

199 Give you much credit, Ace, you are steadfast in opposition to The Donald. Now all that's required is a solid reason (or reasons) for that opposition.

Something besides he said "pussy" would be great.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 28, 2023 03:12 PM (KATBx)

If I'm being serious for a moment here (just a moment, then it's back to the nonsense and chicanery), I think Ace is truly wanting a "return to normalcy" kind of thing, where Republicans move the needle some in the direction a lot of us would like to see it move.

So he thinks DeSantis is someone who could do that, and maybe that's true. He also thinks Trump can't, and that's almost certainly true too.

I can't fault him for wanting that, I just think we're way beyond any kind of return. Way beyond.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (vFpj7)

200 The Emancipation Declaration was an act of war, not of humanity.
It only freed the slaves in the rebel states.

Posted by: MkY at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (cPGH3)

201 Proclamation, sorry

Posted by: MkY at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (cPGH3)

202 Slavery was the overriding issue that caused the war. I would also mention that free navigation of the Mississippi River was an important issue to the western states. Grant was from Galena, IL, a town that grew in the mid 1800's by shipping down the river.

Posted by: Indiana Lurker at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (3ZVqj)

203
He starts to go into a multi-cause answer and the guy says, "just say slavery."

A cartoon Indian is smarter than Nikkiii.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (TzW+Y)

And a LOT of others as well.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)

204 Then the club's bylaws should have provisions spelling out the procedure for leaving.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (9yWhg)

G.R.O.S.S.

Even Hobbes wanted out at some point...mmm, Susie Durkins.

Posted by: Calvin at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (TTAGa)

205 So, you would then agree that one of the Major reasons the Civil War was fought, was over the question of 'does a State have the right to Leave the Union?'...

Which then leads to... oh... crap... Civil War was fought over State rights...

The slavery and secession issues were intertwined. But I believe that had the South stayed in the Union, they could've stonewalled on slavery for a long time, since it was recognized in the Constitution. But they shot themselves in the foot with secession.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (9yWhg)

206 Nikki Haley had no idea how to answer so she punted the question back to the questioner.

That's not how I saw it at all! She pushed back against the biased media and their pointless gotcha questions! She showed the kind of pugnacious strength people like from Trump, with the grace and intelligence needed to attract moderate voters. That Nikki is the real deal!!!

Posted by: Pierre Delecto at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (ycI94)

207 What if it's covered in Flex Seal?
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (SzI2j)

It would look like a gimp suit...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (di6C2)

208 Cleavage? Yes, definitely. If there's one thing this campaign season needs, it's more cleavage.
Posted by: One thing we can all agree on at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM

This is about Chris Christie isn't it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (SzI2j)

209
Actually, between the election and Fort Sumter secession wasn't even that popular in South. But the conventions were packed by the fire-eaters and that was that.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (nz0bE)

210 Jeb, freaking autocorrect

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (Hkcdp)

211
Me? I'm looking beyond Trump. He's lame duck the second he takes the oath of office. His veep has to be a fire breathing conservative with a ton of brain cells, so we get 12 years of sanity restored.

I have a short list. A very short list.

Putting a stop to the shit show of the past three years is my number one priority. We learned a lot.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (3qE2b)

212 Posted by: MkY at December 28, 2023 03:20 PM (cPGH3)

First of all, it's "Emancipation Proclamation."

Second of all, the legal basis for it was confiscating rebel supplies; Lincoln legally couldn't apply it to slave states in the Union.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (UYnhV)

213 DeSantis has destroyed his career, just that this was intended with his 2024 run, because we all know how effective Trump is at destroying opponents. The ones who convinced DeSantis to run did not have his best interests in mind, they want to destroy both men
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TOTALLY AGREE. He saw the money lining up and bought what they were selling him. He gambled and came up short.

Posted by: But the high heeled boots are cool at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (KGMB7)

214 191 The ones who convinced DeSantis to run did not have his best interests in mind, they want to destroy both men.
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And Ron fell for it,
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And that is a window into his flawed character.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (lUstO)

215 I bet the northeners regret that now.
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Hint: 152 Race Riots in the NE and Midwest is 1968, followed by the Yankee Exodus beginning in 1969 and its has never stopped. Kind of obvious.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (pZ64F)

216 The fact that both candidates received a large number of votes is just a function of COVID-era voting rule changes that made it way easier to cast a vote. Whether you think that was a good idea or not, the fact is, that's why both Trump and Biden increased dramatically from 2016.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:14 PM (UYnhV)

So you believe the 2020 result was legit. Okay. We disagree. I saw mucho shenanigans in the vote counting…. In Philly, Atlanta, Detroit, Phoenix, Milwaukee and Las Vegas. A clogged toilet in Fulton County meant all those locations had to stop counting. That’s very believable….

Not to mention Molly Ball came right out and wrote about the election “fortification” in 2021…. And the “Russian disinformation” op about Hunter’s laptop…. No, none of that was election interference; it was Trump’s fault. Again I say we live in different universes

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (xT8gx)

217 Eh, recall how dang hard they pushed Jen in 2016.
Same fake lead, absolutely no excitement, just efforts to convince us he had momentum and was inevitable. Yeah, no. No one’s buying it with Haley, either.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM

Good old Jeb! For a while Jeb! Was in the lead in the polls as well.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:22 PM (SzI2j)

218 Semi relared. White woman whitesplains to a black man what blacks think.

http://tinyurl.com/33tx9uet

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 03:22 PM (FVME7)

219 Xwitter is reporting that the Trumpster is back on the ballot in Colorado.

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (PWI4f)

220 I don't nee your civil woh woh.

Posted by: Axel Haley at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (og5mY)

221 * I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him..
===

Very unlikely. Hasn't he proven he doesn't care what they think?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (RIvkX)

222
Now that I've supplied my historical gem, what's all this about cleavage?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (nz0bE)

223 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (xT8gx)

Funny how the Trump legal team never mentioned any of that. How embarrassing for them that some random guy on the internet sleuthed out what they couldn't.

It's funny how the PRO-TRUMP argument is that Trump is a lazy, incompetent weakling who was overpowered by Joe Biden.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (UYnhV)

224 The way I look at is this: absent slavery, there would have been some other fracture. But slavery wasn't absent, and it was the point where nobody could see eye to eye. And it created an economic drag on the South that made it impossible for them to assert themselves against Northern interests, short of violence. I don't know that the war would've been averted if the South had a developed economy. But I think the chances would've been better.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2023 03:18 PM (0FoWg)
_______________

1000+

It's like if Civil War 2.0 breaks out. What caused it? Open border, softness on crime, high taxes, gross corruption, politicization of the DoJ, blatantly political enforcement of the law, tolerance for left-wing rioters, supine foreign policy, targeting patriotic Americans, overweening central government ...

No one cause to point to. It's fundamentally a difference in philosophy of how thing should work.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:24 PM (YqDXo)

225 I really remember 4 years of posts here with big praise for a lot of stuff. Weird how ace forgot all of that .

Posted by: anon at December 28, 2023 03:24 PM (RqMDa)

226 220 Xwitter is reporting that the Trumpster is back on the ballot in Colorado.
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Who lynched the CO SC?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:24 PM (pZ64F)

227 I would also argue that, if there'd been no war, slavery would have died out by the 1890s, anyway. The shit was always a dumb idea that was doomed to fail if it was competing against an industrial economy, which it was.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2023 03:24 PM (0FoWg)

228 If Trump had been the left's tame house pet instead of the pro-freedom non-warmonger he was, maybe they wouldn't have manufactured all those fake votes and would have allowed him to have a second term.

Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 03:24 PM (Sf2cq)

229 I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him.

With respect due to the immensity of goodness that is your website, I think you believe Trump in a second term will act like an establishment GOP'er.

Posted by: Joe at December 28, 2023 03:24 PM (T/6qe)

230 I bet the northerners regret that now.
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Until WW1, starting in 1890, between the CSA and their conquered Latino states and the USA and the rest of the continent with both sides using dragons, of course.

http://tinyurl.com/2b6huty9

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (2yu8s)

231 226 I really remember 4 years of posts here with big praise for a lot of stuff. Weird how ace forgot all of that

Yes….

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (MwHgU)

232 I'm resigned to the fact that a Republican won't reclaim the White House, likely ever, so it boils down to this academic debate; does Trump, who'd be stymied at every turn and hounded day and night by the left and the GOP get anything done? Or, do I accept the standard GOPe failure theater wrapped up as "conservative values" as they sell out the base (again) and continue selling out the country.

What, specifically, would a DeSantis (or anyone else in the GOP) get passed as lasting legislation that matters? Anything? It'd be pulled apart the second the next Democrat gets selected to be prez. And note who does, and doesn't make an attempt to trash what the Democrats have embedded as policy.

This is really the issue isn't it? What difference does it make who the R candidate is if all their policies are trashed on day one, as *biden did?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (Q4IgG)

233 Serious question: Does anyone in 2023 really care about the cause of a war that ended 150 years ago? We have much bigger battles to fight. This was a silly "gotcha" question (that Nikki obviously fumbled) from a planted "voter."

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (iFTx/)

234 I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves.

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Trump has already proven -- will repeat his first term of -- being "literally Hitler" and seeking affirmation & praise from the l
Leftwing MDM-MSM Treasonous Fifth Column Whore Scum.

Got it ...

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (sfbIn)

235 Very unlikely. Hasn't he proven he doesn't care what they think?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (RIvkX)
______________

This. "Fake news." Ow. That one left a mark, a mark that the MSM will not forgive.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (YqDXo)

236 Weird that Trump was (is?) considering her as a vice presidential pick.
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Oft repeated, but never an on-the-record source cited.

So it's, "if Trump wins, he will nominate his sister for the Supreme Court!" rumors of 2015-16, that all the smart people were repeating.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (TzW+Y)

237 And that is a window into his flawed character.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (lUstO)

Yeah, no one is saying politicians have to be all that bright, but he didn't have to show it quite so obviously.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (Vrvfq)

238 Very unlikely. Hasn't he proven he doesn't care what they think?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (RIvkX)

And been punished for it. I guess all that does not matter- he's still one of them right up until they put one in the back of his head. And I guess some on our side would be happy about that.

People are fucking stupid.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (di6C2)

239 No one cause to point to. It's fundamentally a difference in philosophy of how thing should work.
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No. It was caused by inbred thinking on what a sin is and is not. See Roundheads and Crazy Quakers. Everything they do is cuz they know what Jesus didn't know.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:26 PM (pZ64F)

240 Ace is wrong about the Civil War being about states’ rights at all.

The Confederate states supported states’ rights when a states’ rights position was beneficial to slavery, and they opposed states’ rights when states’ rights undermined slavery.

That’s why the slave states supported the federal Fugitive Slave Act, which intruded on the sovereignty of free states for the benefit of slavery. And why the Confederate constitution prohibited the states of the Confederacy from outlawing slavery.

The slave states claimed to be for states’ rights to try to avoid the reality of what they were really for. And now the Leftists use the same trick to try to tar states’ rights — which is a big part of the conservative focus on federalism — as neo-confederate. We shouldn’t help them do it.

Posted by: A Citizen of America at December 28, 2023 03:26 PM (T4JMk)

241 '...not actually enacting any of his alleged program into law,...'

We're not expecting any non-liberal enacting any programs, are we? DeSantis is worse than Trump, right (per the left)? We should be expecting the same deep state resistance we saw before.

Personally, I'm just waiting for the SMOD to make it all go away.

Posted by: Saxinis Kion at December 28, 2023 03:26 PM (dbdgv)

242 >>>Curry with a cringe on top.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 02:58 PM (SzI2j)

--

1) ISWYDT
2) Chuckling
3) Stealing

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at December 28, 2023 03:26 PM (wzAuc)

243 I would also argue that, if there'd been no war, slavery would have died out by the 1890s, anyway.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Oh, sooner than that, I think. The UK would've seen to that.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (9yWhg)

244 Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (Vrvfq)

Donald Trump is likely going into a federal penitentiary by this time next year, and you're saying it's everyone else who has a problem with poor character and lack of intelligence?

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (DD2uw)

245
Funny how the Trump legal team never mentioned any of that. How embarrassing for them that some random guy on the internet sleuthed out what they couldn't.

It's funny how the PRO-TRUMP argument is that Trump is a lazy, incompetent weakling who was overpowered by Joe Biden.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (UYnhV)

It's not our fault you didn't pay close attention to what WAS mentioned, including an actual hack of Dominion machines REAL TIME, that was rejected by a judge.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (Zz0t1)

246 She is and idiot !!!!!!!! Everyone knows that the Civil War was fought over Gay and Transgender Rights...........

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh !!!!!

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (1t11C)

247 220 Xwitter is reporting that the Trumpster is back on the ballot in Colorado.
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Now impeach and convict the shitheads who voted for this obviously un-Constitutional measure. Great legal minds.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:28 PM (YqDXo)

248 this is how dumb politics has become, that we are arguing over the Civil War. it's never been an issue for 150 years until now.

Posted by: x at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (C3l/P)

249 I think Ace is truly wanting a "return to normalcy" kind of thing, where Republicans move the needle some in the direction a lot of us would like to see it move.

So he thinks DeSantis is someone who could do that, and maybe that's true. He also thinks Trump can't, and that's almost certainly true too.

I can't fault him for wanting that, I just think we're way beyond any kind of return. Way beyond.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:19 PM (vFpj7)

You make a good point.

*heavy sigh* We get no guarantees no matter who wins (or "wins").

Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (Sf2cq)

250 Funny how the Trump legal team never mentioned any of that. How embarrassing for them that some random guy on the internet sleuthed out what they couldn't.

...
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (UYnhV)

Now you're just being deliberately dishonest.

Everyone who pays attention knows that the pattern in a Presidential election year is we stay up most of the night if it's close and maybe get a deciding state projection at 2 or 3 in the morning. This time, seven states all simultaneously stopped counting, sent the observers home, and then in the morning announced that they had kept counting after all, and Biden was magically ahead by just enough to avoid automatic recounts in any of them. And nobody gets to double check their work.

It is clear to anyone with character that those seven states were all stolen. But to get the cowards in the judiciary to do anything about it, you'd need to show what happened mechanically, and they refused to allow any evidence to be presented.

Posted by: Methos at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (Dnobf)

251 Xwitter is reporting that the Trumpster is back on the ballot in Colorado.
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Who lynched the CO SC?
Posted by: Pudinhead

And can I subscribe to their newsletter?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (FVME7)

252 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (Zz0t1)

Remember when Sidney Powell literally said in a lawsuit that the people who took her seriously were giant morons?

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (DD2uw)

253 Half of the country thinks Republicans were the slaveholders. Whenever the issue is raised, every GOP candidate and officeholder should automatically point out that slavery is the legacy of the Democrat party and that Republicans fought and died to end slavery. But, no, the Grand Old Pussies can't ever learn to defend themselves when the spectre of race is raised.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (qUkBO)

254 I can't fault him for wanting that, I just think we're way beyond any kind of return. Way beyond.
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Two different kinds of being in denial of reality at work. One that any "republican" is going to normalize anything if they get elected. (Uniparty vs. Incompetence makes no difference) two that Trump will be able to get elected. The Mandarin revolution already happened.

The practical reason for voting Trump is to send the loudest possible message, short of a general strike, to the deep state that we will not be ruled by them

Posted by: A modest endorsement at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (KGMB7)

255 Oh, sooner than that, I think. The UK would've seen to that.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (9yWhg)
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By stopping the slave trade? Nope. The US banned the importation of slaves in 1814. Some were still smuggled in, but the UK's efforts to end the slave trade would not have ended slavery here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (YqDXo)

256 1) ISWYDT
2) Chuckling
3) Stealing
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at December 28, 2023 03:26 PM (wzAuc)

Pols and cucks and bitches better scurry
when I take you out for some curry!
When I take you out for some curry
with a cringe on top!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (di6C2)

257 This is really the issue isn't it? What difference does it make who the R candidate is if all their policies are trashed on day one, as *biden did?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (Q4IgG)

Everything is a rearguard action now. Even Trump only slows the decay. The rot is in the federal bureaucracy and every important institution…. Some kind of crumbling (hopefully very slow) is inevitable. I want a 4-year Trump crusade with schedule F and prosecution of Fed lawbreakers from the past 8 years…. But even a best case Trump turn won’t reclaim the skinsuits from all those institutions…..

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (xT8gx)

258 >>>The slavery and secession issues were intertwined. But I believe that had the South stayed in the Union, they could've stonewalled on slavery for a long time, since it was recognized in the Constitution. But they shot themselves in the foot with secession.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonu
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And the taxes, the South was being unfairly taxed could not get relief. Stonewalling is a thought. On the other hand;
With the advent of new machinery, slavery would have become a deficit in less than five years and would have evolved into freedom in less than ten. In a natural manner. Today we still suffer under the unnatural, unresolved situation.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (lUstO)

259 civil war cause: I can only go by what the actual Confederate leaders actually wrote at the time. But, they didn’t have the internet, so they didn’t know anything.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (9X60i)

260 this is how dumb politics has become, that we are arguing over the Civil War. it's never been an issue for 150 years until now.
Posted by: x

The overall point is that no conservative candidate for office should avoid using every question or issue as an opportunity to attack the left.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (IG4Id)

261 But see by their formulation, Trump was the reason the coup occurred... but it somehow won't without him, I dunno.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

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But see by your formulation, Trump had nothing to do with the coup occurring, and it will occur with DeSantis. So DeSantis doesn't want to be elected; he wants to lose by a coup cheat, right?

Or perhaps "their formulation" is simply that Trump lost, whether fairly or unfairly, legally or illegally, and there isn't necessarily a convincing pretext to believe that will be different in 2024. Or at least not enough to dismiss someone who turned a purple state red and in policy, legislation, and public statement has supported everything conservatives support. Who can only be considered 'Uniparty' or non-conservative by stringing together some theories that would mean he'd have to govern completely contrary to how he has the past 5 years. Oh, and the fact that the Donald has been personally slandering him without provocation and attacking him from the LEFT (save Disney, save Budweiser, Florida is a bad state...), while also defending the vaccines... well, there's nothing non-conservative to worry about there...

Posted by: bearski at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (Bhsk7)

262
Remember when Sidney Powell literally said in a lawsuit that the people who took her seriously were giant morons?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (DD2uw)

Guess I missed that and would ask you to provide a link.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

263 * I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him.

Probably true had the 2020 election been fair and honest. But for Trump to be inaugurated in 2025, he will have gone through a fire no candidate has ever faced in the history of our country. And the resistance won't end even after Bible is put away and the cake cut. i suspect it will only intensify. No time for craving positive publicity, I'm afraid.

Posted by: mrp at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (rj6Yv)

264 248 this is how dumb politics has become, that we are arguing over the Civil War. it's never been an issue for 150 years until now.
Posted by: x at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (C3l/P)

We have had this argument every 2 or 3 months for the past 12 years I have been commenting on this blog.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (di6C2)

265 I think many of us want to believe Trump would spend a second term burning it all to the ground because surely he's pissed and that's what we would do, but I worry what Ace put in his asterisk is much more likely unfortunately.

Posted by: brak at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (AR07F)

266 Xwitter is reporting that the Trumpster is back on the ballot in Colorado.
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Who lynched the CO SC?
Posted by: Pudinhead

And can I subscribe to their newsletter?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (FVME7)
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And do they take requests?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (YqDXo)

267 The Confederate states supported states’ rights when a states’ rights position was beneficial to slavery, and they opposed states’ rights when states’ rights undermined slavery.

Posted by: A Citizen of America at December 28, 2023 03:26 PM (T4JMk)

Wait a sec... are you suggesting politicians back then were hypocrites, acting in their own self-interests, with no real principles, and not for the good will of the people?

I can't believe it. I SHAN'T believe it!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (G3wpM)

268 I am waiting for someone to ask Joe Biden about the coup in Niger a few months ago.

Hilarity would follow.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (Edu7X)

269 180 Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:15 PM (MwHgU)

I prefer the type of winning where you actually win, not lose and then whine later that it was a cheat.

I’m
Pretty sure President Trump got those 81 million votes

He’s not a loser, he’s a fighter and he’s fighting for us, but you don’t see that or don’t care to.

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (MwHgU)

270 Subject change to something less controversial:

Carrots in Chili: Yes or no?

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (gmo/4)

271
With the advent of new machinery, slavery would have become a deficit in less than five years and would have evolved into freedom in less than ten.

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Border states like Kentucky and Maryland were getting rid of slaves as fast as they could.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (MoZTd)

272 We have had this argument every 2 or 3 months for the past 12 years I have been commenting on this blog.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (di6C2)

More like every two or three days.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Aspiring Codger at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (T/Lqj)

273 Posted by: bearski at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (Bhsk7)

Excuse me sir, how dare you judge politicians by their actions and results. Don't you know that the anti-"establishment" anti-"uniparty" approach is to trust lazy promises that were made before and broken, while completely disregarding all actual information on candidates?

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (DD2uw)

274 I do recall from my High Scrool History Course that Trump's mean Tweets started the Civil War .........

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (BKOUD)

275 Trump is a loser. Trump is a loser. Trump is a loser. Trump is a loser. Trump is a loser etc etc etc...

Posted by: Terri the Turd at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (RilAR)

276 264 248 this is how dumb politics has become, that we are arguing over the Civil War. it's never been an issue for 150 years until now.
Posted by: x at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (C3l/P)

We have had this argument every 2 or 3 months for the past 12 years I have been commenting on this blog.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (di6C2)

Crossbow!

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (xaFKb)

277 So he thinks DeSantis is someone who could do that, and maybe that's true. He also thinks Trump can't, and that's almost certainly true too.
Posted by: BurtTC

Ace is somewhat correct...if I had a magic wand, and could guarantee either Trump or DeSantis won the presidency, I'd pick DeSantis in a heartbeat. There's always the chance he'd end up a squish or sellout, or fail at implementing at the Federal level the change he did at the State level, but I think it's well worth the risk.

That's not how things are, however. Trump was done dirty in the 2020 election, and is being done dirty again in this election. If the Republican Party is complicit, or stands by and allows it, they deserve to lose (which they will when Trump voters stay home). I think the GOPe is basically on board with this, now, assuming Trump will lose, or not even be on the ballot, causing someone else (Haley or DeSantis) to lose, but Trump will be out of the GOP system by 2028, where normalcy can return and we'll get to pick between Rubio, Ernst, and Christie.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (ycI94)

278 "the coup in Niger a few months ago."

Another thing the USA can't do jackshit about. We need to focus at home.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (MvF+J)

279 Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (MwHgU)

He's fighting for himself, but he's incompetent and can't even do that properly.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (DD2uw)

280 270 Subject change to something less controversial:

Carrots in Chili: Yes or no?

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (gmo/4)

This does not offend me

Posted by: Inogame at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (53oGX)

281 If the second amendment does not mean what it says then why do the 14th and 19th amendments?

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (C1yDy)

282 By stopping the slave trade? Nope. The US banned the importation of slaves in 1814. Some were still smuggled in, but the UK's efforts to end the slave trade would not have ended slavery here.
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Slavery was already disappearing. It is much cheaper to hire labor than keep slaves. There was no reason to kill 22% of the American public over something that was already falling apart. Brazil, the largest slave state in the western hemisphere did away with slavery by 1878. Notice, we are the only former slave country to kill itself over slavery. This is not a healthy thing. This is a fanatic thing.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (pZ64F)

283 With the advent of new machinery, slavery would have become a deficit in less than five years and would have evolved into freedom in less than ten.
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Slavery was on the way out, until Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, making cotton enormously profitable and reviving the need for slavery.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:34 PM (YqDXo)

284
Remember when Sidney Powell literally said in a lawsuit that the people who took her seriously were giant morons?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM

I remember that it was toward the end of Rush Limbaugh's time on planet Earth that her vouched for her integrity.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 28, 2023 03:34 PM (3qE2b)

285 I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him.

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Huh. Because I think just the opposite. There is no indication he would do any of that. Obviously, ymmv.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 28, 2023 03:34 PM (4RMpV)

286 So new technology breathed new life into slavery.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:34 PM (YqDXo)

287 275 Trump is a loser. Trump is a loser. Trump is a loser. Trump is a loser. Trump is a loser etc etc etc...
Posted by: Terri the Turd

To some degree...but never forget, he'll never be as big a loser as Hillary.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 28, 2023 03:34 PM (ycI94)

288 The practical reason for voting Trump is to send the loudest possible message, short of a general strike, to the deep state that we will not be ruled by them
Posted by: A modest endorsement at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (KGMB7)

As has been said, many times, many ways, Trump is a great big fat middle finger to the oligarchs and the deep state.

That's where I am. I don't expect anything else from him.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:34 PM (OrSq1)

289 Oh, sooner than that, I think. The UK would've seen to that.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (9yWhg)

We'd already suppressed the Transatlantic trade. Ours were homegrown for two generations by the time of the war. Brutal economic realities would have freed the slaves shortly afterward, anyway. Or a major slave revolt would have. You can't hold that many people in pens with so few of your own, and too little money to support them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2023 03:34 PM (0FoWg)

290 260 this is how dumb politics has become, that we are arguing over the Civil War. it's never been an issue for 150 years until now.
Posted by: x

The overall point is that no conservative candidate for office should avoid using every question or issue as an opportunity to attack the left.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

true and it's super easy, barely an inconvenience to point out the GOP was formed to end slavery and the democrats started the Civil War to keep slavery.

Posted by: x at December 28, 2023 03:34 PM (C3l/P)

291 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

http://tinyurl.com/dtdvc28v

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (DD2uw)

292 Nikki took the Confederate flag down in SC because she said it was hurtful to blacks because of slavery. Her answer here seems...incongruent.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (4RMpV)

293 It is clear to anyone with character that those seven states were all stolen. But to get the cowards in the judiciary to do anything about it, you'd need to show what happened mechanically, and they refused to allow any evidence to be presented.
Posted by: Methos at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (Dnobf)

We know that, now. We didn't know the scope of the cheat, then. Nothing like this had ever been perpetrated before by dishonest agents on this scale. Now, we do know, and the agents responsible for fair and accurate elections will be held to account.

Posted by: mrp at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (rj6Yv)

294 I would suggest a bunch of you read Lincoln's writings and speeches leading up to his election and the war. A bunch of you are making suppositions not supported by anything he ever said.

And as for what started the war - silly cadets at Ft. Sumter firing on a federal fort and giving Lincoln the opportunity to respond to an attack, not be the attacker. He was as aware of the concerns around the states being supreme and the entities that created the central government in the first place. The South took away this concern by firing first.

He was an abolitionist, but he was mostly concerned about saving the Union. The South, while concerned about self-government were absolutely unwilling to concede on slavery; their politics on gutting the Missouri Compromise forced the issue to the front with even more energy. There were multiple discussions during the war to stop the fighting, but the South would not budge on slavery, so the war continued because of slavery.

All documented, letters and memos easily readable.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (GZYu7)

295 My, we have a new name firebrand here now.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (YqDXo)

296 this is how dumb politics has become, that we are arguing over the Civil War. it's never been an issue for 150 years until now.
Posted by: x

So, "history is bunk," as Henry Ford said? No. The Civil War was a watershed event in US history. That's why we still need to discuss and argue over it, civilly. Each side had their reason for fighting, and those reasons need to be discussed and analyzed. That is why I do not consider Southern sympathizers (including our own Puddinhead) to be my enemies, but rather fellow contributors to an ongoing dialogue (sorry for the lefty language there, but it seems appropriate here).

It's also why I consider the demonization of Lincoln to be as illegitimate as the left's demonization of the Confederacy.

History is complicated, because people are complicated.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (9yWhg)

297 234 Serious question: Does anyone in 2023 really care about the cause of a war that ended 150 years ago? We have much bigger battles to fight. This was a silly "gotcha" question (that Nikki obviously fumbled) from a planted "voter."
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2023 03:25 PM (iFTx/)

I'll come down on the other side of this. Questions like this aren't actually about the answer, it's a way of clouding what you're actually asking. The real answer is not necessarily the direct answer to the question itself, it's what part they focus on that gives you insight into the mind of the politician.

If someone asked a prospective office holder "what caused the downfall of Rome?" and they answered "Well, that's easy, those weak and pesky Christians with their Slave Morality got too much control." then I'm going to have some serious questions about that person's leadership, even if the downfall of an empire 1500 years ago doesn't really affect me much.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (fKIdX)

298 Posted by: bearski at December 28, 2023 03:30 PM (Bhsk7)

Ok, then let's flip that: what will Desantis do (or can he do) to prevent another blatant steal?

That is actually a question. No one (including Trump) wants to talk about it and everyone man, woman and child seems to say fuck all about it.

Most are still refusing to even say that it WAS a blatant steal, furthering the gaslighting we all saw with our own eyes. So, until someone faces up to that reality, we are completely fucked no matter what we do. So I do not see much reason to get pissed at Trump or his supporters or Ron and his. I am not sure there IS a good answer aside from pulling the pin- THAT is what pisses ME off.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (di6C2)

299 Donald Trump is likely going into a federal penitentiary by this time next year, and you're saying it's everyone else who has a problem with poor character and lack of intelligence?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (DD2uw)

My God, man! In your world apparently Trump deserves jail and Jack Smith and Fanni Willis and Alvin Bragg and Letetia James are all just impartial arbiters of the law and justice…. Wake up please.

Note: In the real world there are malevolent actors; in today’s world those actors hold the levers of power…. So when someone is a victim of those actors it is not their fault. See as another example the J6 prisoners… are they all guilty and deserving of their prison time??

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (xT8gx)

300 It was fought over maps and The Iraq.

Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (2+LGI)

301 Lincoln really did not have a opinion on Slavery and the the Civil War was fought to preserve the Union. Lincoln freed the slaves only when when he thought that England may side with the South. England did not want to be assocciated with slavery and did not enter the war.

Posted by: Franklin Stein at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (BKOUD)

302 DeSantis is a great governor and the worst presidential candidate I have ever seen

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (VTu1l)

303 Me? I'm looking beyond Trump. He's lame duck the second he takes the oath of office. His veep has to be a fire breathing conservative with a ton of brain cells, so we get 12 years of sanity restored.

I have a short list. A very short list.

Putting a stop to the shit show of the past three years is my number one priority. We learned a lot.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 28, 2023 03:21 PM (3qE2b)

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Kari Lake for V.P. AND Press Secretary.

* mic drop *

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (sfbIn)

304 Nikki took the Confederate flag down in SC because she said it was hurtful to blacks because of slavery. Her answer here seems...incongruent.

In her defense the venue was indoors which made it difficult for her to tell which way the wind was blowing before giving her answer.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (dZVON)

305 Trump Lied and Dixie Died !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Franklin Stein at December 28, 2023 03:37 PM (BKOUD)

306 Nikki took the Confederate flag down in SC because she said it was hurtful to blacks because of slavery. Her answer here seems...incongruent.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (4RMpV)
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Someone should've asked her to compare and contrast slavery here with the caste system in India.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:37 PM (YqDXo)

307 Wonder why it's so important to Terry that we accept the left's defamations of Trump as true.

Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 03:37 PM (Sf2cq)

308 Trump will use his second term to slaughter his enemies, see them driven before him in chains and listen to the lamentations of their women.

Because that is what I would do.

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 03:37 PM (gmo/4)

309 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (xT8gx)

My attitude on J6 is, "Trump sent you on an adventure and you shouldn't have trusted him."

Or, alternatively, "You rioted in the U.S. Capitol, and as a result, you were vilified and are being legally destroyed. Why are you surprised by this?"

My question is, are you angry at Trump for, in your version of events, ordering his supporters to march into a trap? That's what you said happened. If you're not angry at him, why not?

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (DD2uw)

310 We have had this argument every 2 or 3 months for the past 12 years I have been commenting on this blog.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (di6C2)

here, yes. in presidential politics in the msm, no.

Posted by: x at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (C3l/P)

311 DeSantis supporters and their fantasies. None of you commenters or COBS will even explain how he will do your bidding, you know all the shit you piss and moan about that Trump did not accomplish during his term. Basically that it will be matter of fact that he will do what Trump didn't. I believe Trump won't get a whiff of the White House. If and its a big one IF he does, I have the same worry that ace has about making good with some on the left. It has happened to the best of some old conservative warriors, even Goldwater(usually over some young piece of ass they're married to).

For fucking once I would like DeSantis people to explain how he will accomplish anything, your true-con hero, with a hostile GOP/Republican Party thwarting your every step. Not too mention a Deep State that controls the law, the military and D party that isn't afraid to use it. DeSantis would have the GOPe hanging around his neck, same as Trump did if he were to win the nomination and office. This fact really seems to elude DeSantis supporters. It's like you live in an alternate reality not to mention beating the Dem cheat. I've seen this asked here repeatedly and its always avoided. Convenient.

Posted by: JROD at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (IlL6s)

312 I would also argue that, if there'd been no war, slavery would have died out by the 1890s, anyway.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 28, 2023 03:24 PM (0FoWg)

Absolutely correct. Thomas Sowell has written about it.

Industrialization dooms manual labor, no matter how cheap it is.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (gSZYf)

313 My, we have a new name firebrand here now.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Nah, he's still the Big Dummy, but with a different hash.

Posted by: MkY at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (cPGH3)

314 is a fuck-up only capable of tweets and rally statements, not actually enacting any of his alleged program into law
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But enough about DeSantis.....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (TzW+Y)

315 Carrots in Chili: Yes or no?

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 03:32 PM (gmo/4)

This does not offend me
Posted by: Inogame at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (53oGX)

The question? That's big of you.

I still say: no carrots in chili- completely fucks with the texture.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (di6C2)

316 Niki is just another kamala Harris without the beneficial dick gargling ability

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (C1yDy)

317 292 I hate Haley for supporting BLM. Unfortunately DJT has waffled there too:
http://tinyurl.com/bdz833z9

Lots of things I don't like about DJT, but if he's on the ticket, I have to vote for him. Can't vote D.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (MvF+J)

318 Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 03:37 PM (Sf2cq)

Because many of their charges are true. Certainly Trump has no issue endorsing left-wing attacks against Republicans he doesn't like, so any complaints he has about the same being done to him would be quite hypocritical.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (DD2uw)

319

http://tinyurl.com/dtdvc28v
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (DD2uw)

Nicely done, however, that's not exactly what she said. She covered her ass to prevent a lawsuit from Dominion. We see how that worked out for Fox News and Tucker.

Also, she'd seen what was happening to others along with how the courts were responding and chose that not to be the hill on which to die.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (Zz0t1)

320 Now, the result of the war was the expansion of the federal monolith - and then Wilson and FDR used this to make it the leviathan we now know. The South had legitimate economic concerns, concerns that had been around for almost the entire time the Constitution had been in force.

So would it have been different had Lincoln not been assassinated? Probably. But the South took care of that too.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (GZYu7)

321 The correct answer is "I'm not interested in discussing our last Civil War I'm more concerned about our next one."

Fuck off NH phoney GOPe I see you tax refugee Massholes.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (nnp+f)

322 My God, man! In your world...
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (xT8gx)

I read that in McCoy's (Deforest Kelley) voice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:40 PM (di6C2)

323 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (xT8gx)

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You can't reason someone out of positions that he didn't reason himself into.

You're wasting good electrons on a likely troll ...

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 03:40 PM (1wFfy)

324 Ace is somewhat correct...if I had a magic wand, and could guarantee either Trump or DeSantis won the presidency, I'd pick DeSantis in a heartbeat....
Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 28, 2023 03:33 PM (ycI94)

Exactly. He'd probably be able to get some things done that Trump wouldn't, and in a different world, that would matter.

But in this one, I think we need to have it out. We need to not pussyfoot around with the uniparty, go-along to get-along Republicans.

But I can't predict what will happen if/when Trump is nominated, just believe that it will get ugly, and an honest ugly chick is always better than a lying hot one.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:40 PM (Uq/4v)

325 Niki is just another kamala Harris without the beneficial dick gargling ability
Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (C1yDy)

that we know of...

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Aspiring Codger at December 28, 2023 03:41 PM (T/Lqj)

326 Out of the repu lican party. by 2028, where normalcy can return and we'll get to pick between Rubio, Ernst, and Christie.
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OH the restoring of the normalcy, be still my heart!!!!
And this is what I mean when I say it's already dead and gone. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Posted by: A modest endorsement at December 28, 2023 03:41 PM (KGMB7)

327 >>> this is how dumb politics has become, that we are arguing over the Civil War. it's never been an issue for 150 years until now.

The only way to settle this is to tear down all confederate monuments, anything at all related to slavery, wipe it from the history books and public knowledge.
Only then can we have true slavery by any other name readily implemented.

- Your Betters

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2023 03:41 PM (cOq4q)

328 302 DeSantis is a great governor and the worst presidential candidate I have ever seen
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (VTu1l)

Kasich, Dole, Hunstman, Jeb, etc etc.

We have seen a lot worse. A shitload of them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:41 PM (di6C2)

329 Or, alternatively, "You rioted in the U.S. Capitol, and as a result, you were vilified and are being legally destroyed. Why are you surprised by this?"
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (DD2uw)

you call it a riot. I call it a protest. your narrative reveals you.

Posted by: x at December 28, 2023 03:41 PM (C3l/P)

330 Posted by: JROD at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (IlL6s)

Simple!

Let's be uncharitable to Desantis and assume there's a 90% he can't or doesn't do what I want. That's bad, but it has to be compared to Trump, where there's a 100% chance. I know it's 100%, because we already had a Trump administration, and as you just admitted, he failed.

So a 90% chance of failure isn't ideal, there's at least a 10% hope.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:41 PM (DD2uw)

331 >>>What do you want me to say about slavery?

>Reparations for everyone! Vote for me!

Posted by: Nikki Haley at December 28, 2023 03:41 PM (J3ryZ)

332 You're wasting good electrons on a likely troll ...
Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 03:40 PM (1wFfy)

Maybe we should set up a gofundme to fund him a more complex nic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:42 PM (di6C2)

333 It's like you live in an alternate reality not to mention beating the Dem cheat. I've seen this asked here repeatedly and its always avoided. Convenient.
Posted by: JROD at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (IlL6s)

If that's the reality we live in, then we're just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic and it doesn't matter if we vote for DeSantis or Trump, so why do you care which of those we pick?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 28, 2023 03:42 PM (fKIdX)

334 I can’t believe we’re almost here in 2024 and still thinking if Trump wins he’ll govern like a lefty to please the media so they’ll wubs him again

I think I’ve seen this movie before

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 03:42 PM (VTu1l)

335 If someone asked a prospective office holder "what caused the downfall of Rome?" and they answered "Well, that's easy, those weak and pesky Christians with their Slave Morality got too much control." then I'm going to have some serious questions about that person's leadership, even if the downfall of an empire 1500 years ago doesn't really affect me much.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (fKIdX)

It fell when they stopped worshiping me...

Posted by: Mithras at December 28, 2023 03:42 PM (xaFKb)

336 I keep getting "update" texts from the Haley campaign. A lesser man would reply STOP. I, however, reply with memes. Offensive inappropriate out of context memes. My goal is to break the intern working Haley's text outreach. "Oh no, you'll end up on a government watch list if you do that!" I'm ALREADY on pretty much every government watch list. At worst, I'll move up a few places. At best I can leverage it into an 'influencer' gig!

Posted by: Stacy0311 at December 28, 2023 03:43 PM (8LKg9)

337
We need to make sure that we do all things so that individuals have the liberties so that they can have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to do or be anything they want to be without government getting in the way.

Unless you're flying the flag of your choice...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2023 03:43 PM (n+4am)

338 The south's agrarian economy was highly dependent on slavery. When the fed gov instituted economic policy that made that dependence bad, shit happened. Shouldn't have had a slavery-dependent economy.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 28, 2023 03:43 PM (KAi1n)

339 Why would you even answer this question ? The proximate cause of the Civil War 150 years ago is not REMOTELY relevant to the 2024 election, or any other election in the last CENTURY.

My answer would be: WHAT ? Why are you asking me about the Civil War ? You seriously don't have any question more pressing than one about something from 150 years ago ?

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (kYmXc)

340 All documented, letters and memos easily readable.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (GZYu7)

Southern state legislatures wrote and approves acts of secession. Jefferson Davis was elected and gave his inaugural address 3 weeks before Lincoln took his oath of office. The "CSA" issued ultimatums for Federal troops to vacate fortifications on "its soil". The "CSA" had already seized post offices and arsenals. When the new Lincoln administration refused to leave Fort Sumter, the rebel government ordered it to be taken by force. I don't know what more the rebels could have done to provoke Lincoln to call for volunteers.

Posted by: mrp at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (rj6Yv)

341 Excuse me sir, how dare you judge politicians by their actions and results....
Posted by: Terry

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:-) I will say I think it's hard to blame Trump for the end electoral result in 2020. He should've seen the mail-in ballot train coming with COVID, but hindsight 20-20... I do blame him for the ensuing hoorah that ended up with hundreds of J6ers imprisoned without charges and then convicted for years for 'parading' and all that's been in the wake of J6, without Trump being loud and in front (he has a hard time doing that?) to champion their plight in the years since. They were there for him, and have been imprisoned for him. He won't even commit to pardoning them if elected... My wife & I were at his inauguration in 2017, and glad we were. Wife's sister wanted to go to J6 & we begged her not to (she had little kids); no telling where she'd be if she'd gone...

Posted by: bearski at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (Bhsk7)

342 DeSantis is a great governor and the worst presidential candidate I have ever seen
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM

OK, I've heard that. What makes him a bad candidate?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (SzI2j)

343 We have seen a lot worse. A shitload of them.

***********

I know but I swear to cheese it’s like two completely different people and the real DeSantis is chained in a dungeon somewhere

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (VTu1l)

344 Trump's breath started the Civil War !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (Qfk4E)

345 Lincoln really did not have a opinion on Slavery …

“ The sentiment that contemplates the institution of slavery in this country as a wrong is the sentiment of the Republican party. It is the sentiment around which all their actions, all their arguments, circle; from which all their propositions radiate… You may turn over everything in the Democratic policy from beginning to end, whether in the shape it takes on the statute-book, in the shape it takes in the Dred Scott decision, in the shape it takes in conversation, or the shape it takes in short maxim-like arguments—it everywhere carefully excludes the idea that there is anything wrong in it.”— Abraham Lincoln, Seventh Joint Debate at Alton, Illinois, October 15, 1858

“ I always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves, it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others. Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”— Abraham Lincoln, Address to an Indiana regiment, p. 844

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (4CoR6)

346 If Trump gets a second term, it'll be more or less a repeat of the first. Only difference: if the Dems control both houses of Congress, they'll impeach and convict. Otherwise, it'll mostly be nothing much getting done accompanied by hysterical accusations.

Posted by: And I can live with that at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (pjs7m)

347 335 If someone asked a prospective office holder "what caused the downfall of Rome?" and they answered "Well, that's easy, those weak and pesky Christians with their Slave Morality got too much control." then I'm going to have some serious questions about that person's leadership, even if the downfall of an empire 1500 years ago doesn't really affect me much.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 28, 2023 03:36 PM (fKIdX)

It fell when they stopped worshiping me...
Posted by: Mithras at December 28, 2023 03:42 PM (xaFKb)

Actually Christianity as a destabilizing force was Edward Gibbon's argument. 'Shadow Government' and independent power base. I do not think it was a prime factor, but it was one of them. Kind of like the Civil War, it was a complex situation.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (di6C2)

348 http://tinyurl.com/dtdvc28v
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:35 PM (DD2uw)

It's always best to trust the statements of lawyers defending someone unjustly charged with defamation. Because you can be totally honest when hauled before a kangaroo court.

Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (Sf2cq)

349 Slavery was on the way out, until Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, making cotton enormously profitable and reviving the need for slavery.
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This is true, but cotton is now harvested and planted with machines. The problem was that cotton floated the entire Federal Government via tariffs. It also funded the bulk of the Erie Canal that made NYC America's first city displacing Philidelphia. Would the Yankees have approved a tax (income or property) to replace those lost revenues from cotton on themselves?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (byWhc)

350 Niki is just another kamala Harris without the beneficial dick gargling ability
Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 03:39 PM (C1yDy)

Listen, unless you know FOR A FACT she's no good at suxing the cox, I don't think you should go around impugning her skills in this area.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (99m1H)

351 Posted by: bearski at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (Bhsk7)

" I will say I think it's hard to blame Trump for the end electoral result in 2020. He should've seen the mail-in ballot train coming with COVID, but hindsight 20-20..."

Rep. Massie voted against the COVID bill that drastically expanded mail-in ballots and the other voting "reforms" the left wanted, and in response...Trump attacked him and called for him to be primaried.

So forgive me I don't particularly care about Trump's sordid wailings about voting changes in 2020. Massie tried to do something about it, and not only did Trump not help, he tried to punish Massie for it.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (DD2uw)

352 My question is, are you angry at Trump for, in your version of events, ordering his supporters to march into a trap? That's what you said happened. If you're not angry at him, why not?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (DD2uw)

I’m almost done with you because you’re clearly trolling…. But you can find video of Trump asking his supporters to march peacefully to the Capitol to makes their voices heard. My anger is directed at those who truly hold the blame: instigators (feds and Antifa) in the crowd, Michael Byrd murdering Ashli Babbitt and malevolent prosecutors putting people in prison for wandering around the Capitol. In the real world none of that is remotely Trump’s fault. Now go troll somewhere else please….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (xT8gx)

353 Otherwise, it'll mostly be nothing much getting done accompanied by hysterical accusations.
Posted by: And I can live with that at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (pjs7m)

Wherever this world is, that's the one I want to live in.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:46 PM (ZrxxB)

354
Listen, unless you know FOR A FACT she's no good at suxing the cox, I don't think you should go around impugning her skills in this area.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (99m1H)

This is a valid point.

She rose through the ranks with very little political talent SOMEhow.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:46 PM (Zz0t1)

355 Dude, your continued hot takes on Trump are literally unhinged idiocy.

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 03:46 PM (kYmXc)

356 Sure. The media stole an election from him and is trying to put him in jail but he's gonna turn into McCain. For fucks sake keep dreaming.

Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:47 PM (2+LGI)

357 Wonder why it's so important to Terry that we accept the left's defamations of Trump as true.
Posted by: Emmie at December 28, 2023 03:37 PM (Sf2cq)
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Because that's what new name firebrands do.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:47 PM (YqDXo)

358 “…there is no reason in the world why the Negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence—the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man… in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man.”— Abraham Lincoln, First Joint Debate at Ottawa, August 21, 1858

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2023 03:48 PM (4CoR6)

359 Dude, your continued hot takes on Trump are literally unhinged idiocy.
Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 03:46 PM (kYmXc)

You're saying Trump's first term wasn't a failure?!?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:48 PM (Zz0t1)

360 Donald Trump is likely going into a federal penitentiary by this time next year, and you're saying it's everyone else who has a problem with poor character and lack of intelligence?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (DD2uw)
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Just your character and intelligence.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 03:48 PM (RIvkX)

361 345 Lincoln really did not have a opinion on Slavery …
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Umm, his state record was totes rayciss. Go look at it. Manifest Destiny was a west free of blacks and Indians.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:48 PM (byWhc)

362 Another valid slavery question would be re: China’s slow-motion genocide of the Uyghurs and how Apple and Nike have factories-inside- Uyghur prison camps.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 02:56 PM (Hkcdp)

That does not bother me very much, if at all. Uyghurs are muslims, and as such, should be oppressed as a matter of policy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2023 03:48 PM (tkR6S)

363 I'm sorry. I know Ace doesn't like Trump. But to claim that Trump still wants nothing more than the adulation of the people trying to put him in prison completely glosses over the past two years that they have been... ACTIVELY TRYING TO PUT HIM IN PRISON. I think he's over them. But what do I know?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 28, 2023 03:48 PM (VxbvY)

364 Hey man the weather is great down here in the Caribe, Hope you are not freezing your balls off in New England because I am sunbathing mine and siffing little girls butts. So I will see all of you next year and I am resting up because Presdent'n is hard work.........

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:49 PM (Qfk4E)

365 You're saying Trump's first term wasn't a failure?!?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:48 PM (Zz0t1)

Well, there was that 'covfefe' text...

Scandalous.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:49 PM (di6C2)

366 I've read Gibbon. Although he seems to have had a general dislike of (Catholic) Christianity, he did offer positive depictions of several individual Church fathers (e.g., Iraenaeus, Athanasius, etc.)

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:49 PM (9yWhg)

367 I'm ALREADY on pretty much every government watch list. At worst, I'll move up a few places. At best I can leverage it into an 'influencer' gig!

What sometimes amuses and other times pisses me off is the fact that if you're a military veteran you're on a watch list. It pisses me off because service to your country and taking an oath to defend the constitution is considered anti-government sentiment, which says a hell of a lot more about the government than the veterans. It amuses me because the lefties who served are also on that list.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 28, 2023 03:49 PM (dZVON)

368 You're saying Trump's first term wasn't a failure?!?
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Trump's first term was a success thus the need for a coup by the uniparty grifters.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:49 PM (byWhc)

369
You know why you have employees and not slaves? Because employees go home at night to their own residences which they pay for. Because you don't have to have doctors on call to pry the latest termed fetus out of. Because you don't have to educate the children. Nor pay to feed everyone three squares a day. They buy their own clothes.

Slavery was stupid and bound to fail. Now 'states rights'? That's something else altogether.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 28, 2023 03:49 PM (3qE2b)

370 I'm sorry. I know Ace doesn't like Trump. But to claim that Trump still wants nothing more than the adulation of the people trying to put him in prison completely glosses over the past two years that they have been... ACTIVELY TRYING TO PUT HIM IN PRISON. I think he's over them. But what do I know?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 28, 2023 03:48 PM (VxbvY)

He calls them the enemy because he really just wants to date them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:49 PM (Zz0t1)

371 Josey Wales is my favorite Civil War documentary!

Posted by: Nikki Haley at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (J3ryZ)

372 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (xT8gx)

A Trump bootlicker whining about trolling is rich. Nice contradictory bullshit in the same post, stupid.

"It was all FED AND ANTIFA infiltrators!"

Also

"How dare that cop shoot Ashli Babbit!"

Well, if she was a Fed/Antifa infiltrator, why do you care?

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (DD2uw)

373 JROD, completely agree that DeSantis has shown he can’t stand up to GOPe.
I like both Trump and DeSantis, see qualities and defects in both. So very sick of flame wars/purity tests among GOP candidates. The enemy is Democrats and globalists plus the GOPe uniparty stealth wreckers.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (Hkcdp)

374 Donald Trump is likely going into a federal penitentiary by this time next year, and you're saying it's everyone else who has a problem with poor character and lack of intelligence?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (DD2uw)

LOL being held as a political prisoner by Marxists means you have bad character and are stupid. My God where on Earth do you fucknuts slime from?

Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (2+LGI)

375 This is true, but cotton is now harvested and planted with machines.
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The operative word being "now." When were those machines invented?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (YqDXo)

376 Southern state legislatures wrote and approves acts of secession. Jefferson Davis was elected and gave his inaugural address 3 weeks before Lincoln took his oath of office. The "CSA" issued ultimatums for Federal troops to vacate fortifications on "its soil". The "CSA" had already seized post offices and arsenals. When the new Lincoln administration refused to leave Fort Sumter, the rebel government ordered it to be taken by force. I don't know what more the rebels could have done to provoke Lincoln to call for volunteers.

Posted by: mrp at December 28, 2023 03:44 PM (rj6Yv)
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Yep, they did, but it was a federal fort - US government property. It's nice to call for it to be vacated. But that is a matter of negotiations at that point. When you fire on it - it changes the game, and clearly Lincoln was hoping they would do just that. They did. Now it is an insurrection and a firing on US Troops.

Bingo. At that point all legislative declarations are moot. The war was started, and now Lincoln had the moral and political authority to do what he wanted - maintain the Union.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (GZYu7)

377 Umm, his state record was totes rayciss. Go look at it. Manifest Destiny was a west free of blacks and Indians.
Posted by: Pudinhead

And that's why he pardoned so many of the Sioux who took part in that tribe's rebellion in Minnesota in 1862, right?

Be better, Puddinhead.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (9yWhg)

378 Do Brandon Johnson and Eric Adams know about this?

Bill Melugin
@BillMelugin_
BREAKING: DOJ is threatening to sue Texas if it moves forward with its strict new border security law, which is set to take effect in March and would allow TX authorities to arrest & deport anyone who crosses into TX illegally.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (FVME7)

379
She rose through the ranks with very little political talent SOMEhow.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:46 PM

Nikki good at the dikki?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (SzI2j)

380 "How dare that cop shoot Ashli Babbit!"

Well, if she was a Fed/Antifa infiltrator, why do you care?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (DD2uw)
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Stop being deliberately obtuse.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (YqDXo)

381 Never Forget.

Abraham Lincoln was the First Republican President. Republicans were Abolitionists first and foremost.

The Republican Party was founded in Opposition to the Pro-Slavery Democrat Party.

The Democrats were and are the Party of Slavery, Jim Crow, and Sevregation.

Posted by: rd at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (jF/Z6)

382 Slavery was stupid and bound to fail. Now 'states rights'? That's something else altogether.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 28, 2023 03:49 PM (3qE2b)

Interesting thought experiment: if slavery is taken out of the equation (say everything else is equal, the South frees the slaves and they continue to work the plantations, etc. Just for the sake of the experiment.)

Would the Civil War still have taken place? I say yes because there were other pressures that were building, slavery was just the best flashpoint.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (di6C2)

383 Terry better get tested...

Bernie Sanders @SenSanders 5h
I have tested positive for Covid. My symptoms are minimal and I will continue to work from home in Vermont while isolating in accordance with CDC guidance. I am glad to be fully up to date with the vaccine.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (2yu8s)

384 Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (2+LGI)

"As president I could have declassified it," he told the non-security-cleared person, "Now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret."

He's literally on tape flatly admitting to breaking the law. Can't blame the Dems for that one.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:52 PM (DD2uw)

385 this is how dumb politics has become, that we are arguing over the Civil War. it's never been an issue for 150 years until now.
Posted by: x at December 28, 2023 03:29 PM (C3l/P)

We have had this argument every 2 or 3 months for the past 12 years I have been commenting on this blog.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:31 PM (di6C2)

Shelby Foote said it best: To understand the American Civil War is to understand America.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2023 03:52 PM (BdMk6)

386 I tested positive for COVID. It was better than Cats.

Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:52 PM (2+LGI)

387 The trolls needs lessons in logic and maybe Kamala can teach him about Venn diagrams….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:52 PM (xT8gx)

388 If that's the reality we live in, then we're just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic and it doesn't matter if we vote for DeSantis or Trump, so why do you care which of those we pick?
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YOU aren't going to send a message to the deep state that you won't play the game anymore if you run away from Trump and into the arms of the first guy the oligarchs throw at you. You have to play hard to get, or burn the house down.

Posted by: The burning bed at December 28, 2023 03:52 PM (KGMB7)

389 >>> Someone should've asked her to compare and contrast slavery here with the caste system in India.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Caste system is better.
1) I am Brahma Caste
2) We don''t have to feed or house lower castes.

- Birdbrain's Thought Bubble

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2023 03:53 PM (cOq4q)

390 Stop being deliberately obtuse.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (YqDXo)

I don't think he can help it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:53 PM (di6C2)

391 Slavery was stupid and bound to fail. Now 'states rights'? That's something else altogether.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

That's why, even if you can justify the constitutionality of secession, it was a shitty cause to try to break up the Union over.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:53 PM (9yWhg)

392 Posted by: Ciampino

Both launches from Florida?

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 28, 2023 03:53 PM (/QIWP)

393 "An actual conservative populist, like me"

That might be the funniest thing Ace has ever written.

Cope harder, DeSantis Boi.

Posted by: tsj017 at December 28, 2023 03:53 PM (nO4H1)

394
Bernie Sanders @SenSanders 5h
I have tested positive for Covid. My symptoms are minimal and I will continue to work from home in Vermont while isolating in accordance with CDC guidance. I am glad to be fully up to date with the vaccine.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (2yu8s)

You are lying. You are not 'vaccinated.' You are on HCQ and Zinc. Also, Covid isn't all that serious to those that have a good immune system.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (Zz0t1)

395 He's literally on tape flatly admitting to breaking the law. Can't blame the Dems for that one.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:52 PM (DD2uw)

He also admitted to several sexual assaults in 2005 "on tape" according to dummies like you. What else you got?

Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (2+LGI)

396 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (YqDXo)

"Hey, there's a bunch of cops waving guns around yelling not to come in."

"I'm going to charge in anyway."

If you want to blame anyone other than Babbit herself, you can blame Trump. That rally would not have happened if not for the central delusion he promoted that Mike Pence could flip a switch and just reverse the results of the election.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (DD2uw)

397 Shelby Foote said it best: To understand the American Civil War is to understand America.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

This.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (9yWhg)

398 OK, I've heard that. What makes him a bad candidate

************

He’s not courting the Trump voters effectively, but it seems like any suggestion that he should be more proactive there is tantamount to being a Trump soyboy worshipper or something and not having enough of his own brand and identity, which I don’t think is true but it is what it is

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (VTu1l)

399 387 The trolls needs lessons in logic and maybe Kamala can teach him about Venn diagrams….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 03:52 PM (xT8gx)

Maybe a venn diagram with 'oral sex' 'Powerful penis' and the overlap is 'You are here.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (di6C2)

400 Why is it that trolls seem always to go by a single given name?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (YqDXo)

401 Speaking of bullshit predictions [from a former FBI agent] . . .

Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Former fed @petestrzok: “Whatever we see coming out of the Supreme Court, there is going — they can’t unwrite the 14th Amendment. There’s going to have to be some provision that if somebody engages in insurrection, that that does potentially disqualify them from the presidency”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (FVME7)

402 Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (2+LGI)

I mean, you can try and laugh it off, but he's still going to prison. "What else you got" doesn't work as an attempted cope when by your own admission, that's the problem.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (DD2uw)

403 No, he inserted himself into the discussion, as if he has some role to play here. He should have just said "Dad has already addressed this", but he didn't. He thinks he's more important than he is.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 28, 2023 03:03 PM (CsUN+)
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Oh, the irony, it BURNS

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (kYmXc)

404 He's literally on tape flatly admitting to breaking the law. Can't blame the Dems for that one.
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Laptop bro, laptop....

The law only applies to those who aren't in the gang.

You suck at your job.

Posted by: The burning bed at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (KGMB7)

405 I’ve worked in the private sector and they demand results.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (as3uC)

406 (peeks in)

Yay! New poster being a douche! Beautiful and Brave!

And 2024 is just around the corner. Hear there is a big election next year.

Meh.

(slips back out)

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (sAmhv)

407 346 If Trump gets a second term, it'll be more or less a repeat of the first. Only difference: if the Dems control both houses of Congress, they'll impeach and convict. Otherwise, it'll mostly be nothing much getting done accompanied by hysterical accusations.
Posted by: And I can live with that at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (pjs7m)

So the VP choice matters more than anytime in recent history.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (/ZjV6)

408 I say yes because there were other pressures that were building, slavery was just the best flashpoint.

I say no, because we already know they were willing to compromise on every one of those issues and so was the north.

The only thing Democrats were unwilling to compromise on was slavery everywhere. And slavery everywhere was also something Republicans were unwilling to accept.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2023 03:56 PM (4CoR6)

409
Have they scheduled Bernie's funeral yet?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 28, 2023 03:57 PM (3qE2b)

410 She rose through the ranks with very little political talent SOMEhow.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:46 PM

Nikki good at the dikki?
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (SzI2j)

===========

She is a clean and articulate minority woman.

Posted by: Joey Sponge Brain Shitz Pantz at December 28, 2023 03:57 PM (jF/Z6)

411 Why is it that trolls seem always to go by a single given name?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

White whales need to die!

Posted by: Ishmael at December 28, 2023 03:57 PM (9yWhg)

412 "Hey, there's a bunch of cops waving guns around yelling not to come in."

"I'm going to charge in anyway."
_________________

Now reverse the races: a white police lieutenant blows away an unarmed black woman. The howling would shake the rafters of Heaven.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:57 PM (YqDXo)

413 Bernie Sanders @SenSanders 5h
I have tested positive for Covid. My symptoms are minimal and I will continue to work from home in Vermont while isolating in accordance with CDC guidance. I am glad to be fully up to date with the vaccine.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (2yu8s)

Nearly fucking verbatim with every other leftist announcement I've seen over the past couple years. Leftists are fucking retarded.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Aspiring Codger at December 28, 2023 03:57 PM (T/Lqj)

414 "Donald Trump is our king and rules by Divine Right" works with Trump-worshipping fanbois, but doesn't work with the 60-70% of the country that dislikes him. You can just write off everyone who disagrees as trolls, but there's a reason you keep losing, and it's not because Joe Biden is a beloved, dynamic politician.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (DD2uw)

415 122 Respectfully, I totally disagree. I strongly suspect that Trump would spend four years getting pay-back for all the shit the lefties inflicted on him. He might crave approval, but I think he craves vengeance even more.
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Embrace the concept of 'and.'
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:06 PM (pZ64F)
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WTF ?? Am I reading this right ? You think Trump can attempt to exact vengeance against his enemies (the left) while seeking approval from the same fucking people ? Are you RETARDED ?

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (kYmXc)

416 Benny Johnson @bennyjohnson 1h
Little kid to Nikki Haley: “So Chris Christie thinks that you're a flip-flopper on the Donald Trump issue. And honestly, I agree with him. You're basically the new John Kerry.”

http://tinyurl.com/bdh6wm8n
18 seconds; loud

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (2yu8s)

417
She is a clean and articulate minority woman.
Posted by: Joey S

Who has fabulous smelling hair and sucks golf balls through garden hoses!

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (C1yDy)

418 "Trump's going to prison" is like their wubby.

It soothes.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (RIvkX)

419 All of you amateur historians are overlooking the effect of vampirism on the Civil War.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (FVME7)

420 Bingo. At that point all legislative declarations are moot. The war was started, and now Lincoln had the moral and political authority to do what he wanted - maintain the Union.
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Conflating Lincoln with morality is a bridge too far. Mass Murderer might be the correct answer.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (pZ64F)

421 Would the Civil War still have taken place? I say yes because there were other pressures that were building, slavery was just the best flashpoint.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (di6C2)

I don't. The Southern planter aristocracy was hated and despised by the middle and working classes in their own states. Without slavery, the Southern states would have muttered, groaned and negotiated. The Democrats united were still powerful in the North and South. Slavery split the Democrats and that's what made Lincoln's election possible.

Posted by: mrp at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (rj6Yv)

422 Would the Civil War still have taken place? I say yes because there were other pressures that were building, slavery was just the best flashpoint.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:51 PM (di6C2)
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I would disagree. The wiping out of the Missouri Compromise as part of Douglass's desire to be president resulted in the border war between Kansas and Missouri and the realization in the North that slavery would not fade away.

It was the straw so to speak.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (GZYu7)

423 400 Why is it that trolls seem always to go by a single given name?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (YqDXo)

Simplicity, I am thinking. They are here for the argument and do not want to do the long con of building an identity separate from that. We almost all choose some sort of thing that is either a play on words, something we find funny or something that touches on us in some way or another. If they come in with 'confederatefanboi'61' we'd probably guess he was a plant right off.

Even so, the arguments are made from a completely different mindset. They do not use our terms or frame an argument the way we would- so they out themselves immediately even if they did have masterbatin' pete's nic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (di6C2)

424 Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (DD2uw)
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Enjoy your brief stay here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (YqDXo)

425 I mean, you can try and laugh it off, but he's still going to prison. "What else you got" doesn't work as an attempted cope when by your own admission, that's the problem.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (DD2uw)

What did I admit to again? You are really bad at this and you're not fooling anyone, btw. Don't tell me - you're a "true conservative" and you campaigned for Goldwater.

Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (2+LGI)

426 Listening to Laguna Sunrise right now. Tony Iommi is the best ever. Best Sabbath is the stuff you'll never hear on the radio or Spotify.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Aspiring Codger at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (T/Lqj)

427 Have they scheduled Bernie's funeral yet?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 28, 2023 03:57 PM (3qE2b)

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They have to wait for McCain's to end first.

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (3yOOZ)

428 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:57 PM (YqDXo)

"It's not fair! What if the situations were reversed! How come THEY can riot and we can't! Waaaaaaa!"

This is all it is now. If you want a vision of the future, imagine some guy whining "What if the situations were reversed" over and over, forever.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (DD2uw)

429 So John Kerry ran 20 years ago, that kid has no idea what John Kerry ran on.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (RIvkX)

430 So the VP choice matters more than anytime in recent history.
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Impeachment insurance.

Posted by: Hello my name is tucker Carlson at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (KGMB7)

431 The only thing Democrats were unwilling to compromise on was slavery everywhere. And slavery everywhere was also something Republicans were unwilling to accept.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 28, 2023 03:56 PM (4CoR6

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The South wanted to add more Slave States. The North wanted all new states to be Free States.

Think Bloody Kansas.

Posted by: Joey Sponge Brain Shitz Pantz at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (jF/Z6)

432 Conflating Lincoln with morality is a bridge too far. Mass Murderer might be the correct answer.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Oh, come on, Dude.

Posted by: Ishmael at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (9yWhg)

433 I suck dick and like it. Trump is going to prison - nya nya nya na na.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (RilAR)

434 334 I can’t believe we’re almost here in 2024 and still thinking if Trump wins he’ll govern like a lefty to please the media so they’ll wubs him again. I think I’ve seen this movie before.
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger

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Did Trump cut a deal with Pelosi and Schumer on a budget? (I actually supported that to jab back at the RINOs, but still...) Did Trump have a stream of admin leadership backbiting and pushing Uniparty policy? Did Trump get rid of Fauci and the scarf when it was clear they'd lead us into the COVID hell we experienced 2020-22? Is Trump now willing to take Leftist positions to trash conservatives just to elevate his power (not conservatism; hopefully it's for his power / ego, and not Leftism...)? No, he won't default to Leftism. But his image is more important to him than principle, and it's not inconceivable to think he might give in to the Left more in a lame-duck term than he did in his first term or while competing for conservative votes in a primary...

And for the Unvaxxed Ranger... Trump wants you vaxxed. Mandating it is a liberal bridge too far per his calculus, but he still repeats that the vax is WONDERFUL

Posted by: bearski at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (Bhsk7)

435 I would have campaigned for Goldwater, but I was three.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Aspiring Codger at December 28, 2023 04:00 PM (T/Lqj)

436 60 to 70% of the country hates Trump?

Huh.....THAT must be why he still packs every area he speaks in. THEY HATE HIM.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 04:00 PM (Zz0t1)

437 405 I’ve worked in the private sector and they demand results.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 28, 2023 03:55 PM (as3uC)

Nice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 04:00 PM (di6C2)

438 This troll has strong douchebag skillz.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 04:00 PM (RIvkX)

439 Hah, off sock.

Conflating Lincoln with morality is a bridge too far. Mass Murderer might be the correct answer.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Oh, come on, Dude.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 04:00 PM (9yWhg)

440 It doesn't really matter who Trump picks as his vice President.

Posted by: Max Power at December 28, 2023 04:00 PM (V+dQe)

441 Posted by: JCG at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (2+LGI)

You admitted he's in big, big legal trouble. I mentioned why, and you brushed it off as unimportant. No, he's not a "political prisoner." All he is is an old, corrupt douchebag and failed politician. The reason why he felt like he could get away with this shit is because he knew he had supporters like you, who would excuse his every misstep and try and rationalize everything.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 04:01 PM (DD2uw)

442 Oh, come on, Dude.
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Killing 22% of your own population is something even Hitler didn't achieve.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 04:01 PM (pZ64F)

443 but there's a reason you keep losing

_________________

"You," "we," what's in a word?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 04:01 PM (YqDXo)

444 The only thing Democrats were unwilling to compromise on was slavery everywhere. And slavery everywhere was also something Republicans were unwilling to accept.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair

True. The Kansas Nebraska Act was the kickoff. Bleeding Kansas was the first half. Civil War was the 2nd half.

Posted by: MkY at December 28, 2023 04:01 PM (cPGH3)

445 And the UK didn't end slavery in their colonies until the 1830s, when Parliament passed a law compensating the sugar plantation owners for emancipation.

Posted by: mrp at December 28, 2023 04:02 PM (rj6Yv)

446 Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (RIvkX)

Cope.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 04:02 PM (DD2uw)

447 This troll has strong douchebag skillz.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 04:00 PM (RIvkX)
________________

He should've chosen "Il Douche" as his nic.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 04:02 PM (YqDXo)

448 Oh, come on, Dude.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 04:00 PM (9yWhg)

I am not willing to go the full Lincoln Fascist route, but he did do some squirrelly shit during the war. Necessary? Maybe. But that does not mean 'Just.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 04:02 PM (di6C2)

449 I still say Desantis has not destroyed his career. That is just bullshit started by the same hype girls stirring up bad blood between T and D supporters. They WANT it to be true and people spend way too fucking much time on twitter listening to retards who do not have their best interests and heart.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 03:11 PM (di6C2)
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Right now, DeSantis political career lies in absolute ruins. DeSantis has spent much of his time attacking Trump for shit that is absolute nonsense - much like Ace, as it turns out.

The only way out for him is to admit his fuck ups and I don't see his establishment handlers allowing that

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 04:02 PM (kYmXc)

450 Conflating Lincoln with morality is a bridge too far. Mass Murderer might be the correct answer.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Oh, come on, Dude.
Posted by: Ishmael at
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Hey pudinhead is wonderfully consistent.

Posted by: The pudding does not go on your head!!! at December 28, 2023 04:03 PM (KGMB7)

451 We have had this argument every 2 or 3 months for the past 12 years I have been commenting on this blog.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

And don't even get me started on Ginger v. Mary Ann!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 04:03 PM (FVME7)

452 Nikki tried to give a technical nuanced answer for the origin of the US Civil War. The party line answer is slavery which in reality let’s the Democrat Party off the hook. The real answer, the most accurate answer is:

The Democrat Party instigated the Civil War by creating the secessionist movement of the southern states with the first act of armed insurrection by firing upon Fort Sumpter.

The only people agitating for secession from the Union were Democrats. You can come up with all kinds of reasons why various groups wanted out of the Union, however, the indisputable facts are the Democrat Party, who were owned lock, stock and barrel by the slave owners through the power, money and influence were the primary group who advocated for Secession.

No one should buy into the nonsense that the political party who held yearly fundraising under the banner of Jefferson-Jackson Dinners was not the same entity then as today. If you’re claiming pre Civil War figures as the founders of your party you own their past as well. The tactics of group division are the same then as today, instead of just WASPS at the top of the political food chain it’s now a multitude of groups.

Posted by: dscott8186 at December 28, 2023 04:03 PM (Msur6)

453 He’s not courting the Trump voters effectively, but it seems like any suggestion that he should be more proactive there is tantamount to being a Trump soyboy worshipper or something and not having enough of his own brand and identity, which I don’t think is true but it is what it is
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 03:54 P

That's what I don't get. How could he court them (PDT supporters) more effectively? I mean, he's pretty much governed how most here would want for the most part. He's not as flashy as Trump. But he gets shit done and he fights. And he's young and could have 8 years to get shit done. I like him over Trump for those reasons. Not sure why others are hitching their wagons to PDT, but I just think that he's a better option. And yes I'll still vote for Trump if that's the case. Desantis can turn it around I think.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 04:03 PM (SzI2j)

454 445 And the UK didn't end slavery in their colonies until the 1830s, when Parliament passed a law compensating the sugar plantation owners for emancipation.
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Yep. No emancipation without remuneration.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 04:03 PM (pZ64F)

455 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 04:01 PM (YqDXo)

Your entire life is just reading stuff people say online and getting mad that most people don't have an imaginary friendship with a failed ex-president like you do.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 04:03 PM (DD2uw)

456 Oh, come on, Dude.
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Killing 22% of your own population is something even Hitler didn't achieve.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Then they shouldn't have started the effing war! To defend an institution that even you have admitted was on the way out.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 04:03 PM (9yWhg)

457 What would DU do? The first comment that does not toe the Party line, and wham! You're gone.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 04:04 PM (YqDXo)

458 Kaboom Nood

Posted by: Beartooth at December 28, 2023 04:04 PM (kxx6d)

459 Killing 22% of your own population is something even Hitler didn't achieve.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 04:01 PM (pZ64F)

Disease accounted for something like (cannot remember actual stats) ... most of that.

The only stat I can remember is that chance of being wounded in battle was like 1 in 10 and of dying of disease was like 1 in 6?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 04:04 PM (di6C2)

460 Don't forget that Nikki wants your personal information in order to use the Internet. I guarantee she's not forgotten that policy she wants instituted. How she'd get foreigners registered is probably not a fact that has occurred to her.

Posted by: Ciampino - What are Nikki's priorities? at December 28, 2023 04:04 PM (qfLjt)

461 nd don't even get me started on Ginger v. Mary Ann!
Posted by: Anonosauru

We've been having that argument so long that there are now mrs Howell voters here

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 04:04 PM (C1yDy)

462 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 04:04 PM (Zz0t1)

463 This troll has strong douchebag skillz.
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Grab the string from my hand, Asshopper.

Posted by: Master Po at December 28, 2023 04:04 PM (2yu8s)

464 Did Trump cut a deal with Pelosi and Schumer on a budget? (I actually supported that to jab back at the RINOs, but still...) Did Trump have a stream of admin leadership backbiting and pushing Uniparty policy? Did Trump get rid of Fauci and the scarf when it was clear they'd lead us into the COVID hell we experienced 2020-22?

Can you imagine the hell President Trump
Would have ensnared firing the SAINT Fuchi?

Do you even remember what the hell was going on then?

I am
Disappointed that he has not come out and said he and the country were lied to about the vaccine

I don’t understand it.

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:05 PM (MwHgU)

465 I am not willing to go the full Lincoln Fascist route, but he did do some squirrelly shit during the war. Necessary? Maybe. But that does not mean 'Just.'
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Now do the Confederacy. Their whole case was constitutionally hinky from beginning to end.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 04:05 PM (9yWhg)

466 Nothing for nothing and late to the discussion of Bidenomics that cam up last thread.

But it's hard not to vomit when I hear braqging about how great Bidenomics has been and how great he is for small business.

I've been an owner of a small biz for over 40 years and his reign of idiocy has been by far the worst of any president during that time.

Inflation and his net zero BS hits the business hard. And personally speaking - well, a small business is pretty personal after all, my retirement funds plunged let's just say, more than a few hundreds of thousands of dollars shortly after he took office.

Not whining, I've been very fortunate. But no humor found when he uses how "great" Bidenomics has been and his being a champion of small business as talking points.

Sorry to interrupt but well over the 100 comment range and just had to vent a bit.

Posted by: RM at December 28, 2023 04:05 PM (urbih)

467 Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 04:03 PM (DD2uw)
_________________

I say again, comrade: enjoy your brief stay here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 04:05 PM (YqDXo)

468 The South wanted to add more Slave States. The North wanted all new states to be Free States.

Think Bloody Kansas.
Posted by: Joey Sponge Brain Shitz Pantz at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (jF/Z6)

Dred Scott and Harpers Ferry lit the fuse.

Posted by: mrp at December 28, 2023 04:05 PM (rj6Yv)

469 Campaigning for Goldwater - through the 60's we vacationed in a White rambler with an AuH2O bumper sticker on it. I was only 5, but I'll bet I'm the only one here who really did get dragged along to a Goldwater Campaign rally.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2023 04:06 PM (ot51Z)

470
When I see someone who can respond to every comment, can type 150 words per minute free of typo's.

I know who it is. Tread lightly.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 28, 2023 04:06 PM (3qE2b)

471 Conflating Lincoln with morality is a bridge too far. Mass Murderer might be the correct answer.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (pZ64F)
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War is sanctioned violence. Morality has nothing to do with it. The South made a gamble, played their cards very poorly to start. Fought valiantly and bravely, though out supplied, because of superior battlefield leadership. Prayed like hell Lincoln would lose in 1864 election because they knew it was over after Gettysburg. Refused to negotiate settlement while one was still available because of slavery. They helped make sure Sherman's march would happen, and Sherman was an asshole in South Carolina, because he blamed them for starting the fighting and felt they needed to be punished.

If the South's political leadership was as excellent as their military men were, the war never would have started.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 04:06 PM (GZYu7)

472 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 04:05 PM (YqDXo)

Enjoy watching Donald Trump get humiliated in front of the whole country...again.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 04:06 PM (DD2uw)

473 Then they shouldn't have started the effing war! To defend an institution that even you have admitted was on the way out.
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Let's apply the Law of Lincoln to divorce court. You are allowed to kill your spouse should they sue for divorce to preserve the Union that no longer exists. See?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 28, 2023 04:07 PM (pZ64F)

474 Tax Relief for the Middle Class

Passed $3.2 trillion in historic tax relief and reformed the tax code.

Signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – the largest tax reform package in history.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Doubled the standard deduction – making the first $24,000 earned by a married couple completely tax-free.
Doubled the child tax credit.
Virtually eliminated the unfair Estate Tax, or Death Tax.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
Businesses can now deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments in the year the investment is made.
Since the passage of tax cuts, the share of total wealth held by the bottom half of households has increased, while the share held by the top 1 percent has decreased.
Over 400 companies have announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, or new investments in the United States.

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:07 PM (MwHgU)

475 Your entire life is just reading stuff people say online and getting mad that most people don't have an imaginary friendship with a failed ex-president like you do.
Posted by: Terry
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Tell us more about yourself Terry. You obviously got a sparkling personality....

Posted by: The pudding does not go on your head!!! at December 28, 2023 04:07 PM (KGMB7)

476 Now do the Confederacy. Their whole case was constitutionally hinky from beginning to end.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 28, 2023 04:05 PM (9yWhg)

Objection! We are grownups Bulgar, we do not get to use the excuse that 'they started it' as a moral justification, except maybe to kill communists.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 28, 2023 04:08 PM (di6C2)

477 Unprecedented Economic Boom

Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.
Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
Lifted nearly 7 million people off of f

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:09 PM (MwHgU)

478 Massive Deregulation

Ended the regulatory assault on American Businesses and Workers.

Instead of 2-for-1, we eliminated 8 old regulations for every 1 new regulation adopted.
Provided the average American household an extra $3,100 every year.
Reduced the direct cost of regulatory compliance by $50 billion, and will reduce costs by an additional $50 billion in FY 2020 alone.
Removed nearly 25,000 pages from the Federal Register – more than any other president. The previous administration added over 16,000 pages.
Established the Governors’ Initiative on Regulatory Innovation to reduce outdated regulations at the state, local, and tribal levels.
Signed an executive order to make it easier for businesses to offer retirement plans.
Signed two executive orders to increase transparency in Federal agencies and protect Americans and their small businesses from administrative abuse.
Modernized the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) for the first time in over 40 years.
Reduced approval times for major infrastructure projects from 10 or more years down to 2 years or less.
Helped community banks by signing legislation that rolled back costly provisions of Dodd-Frank.
Established the Whit

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:10 PM (MwHgU)

479 And for the Unvaxxed Ranger... Trump wants you vaxxed. Mandating it is a liberal bridge too far per his calculus, but he still repeats that the vax is WONDERFUL

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Cherry-picking all of Trumps failures while ignoring his successes is not being objective. While I vehemently disagree with his position on the vax he’s not the one who almost caused me to lose my job if I didn’t get it

I’m fine with valid criticisms of Trump but I’ve seen too much anti trump sentiment that are based on shrill emotive orange man bad derangements rather than reasoned arguments based on actual data than what the never trump media reports

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 04:10 PM (VTu1l)

480 216 The fact that both candidates received a large number of votes is just a function of COVID-era voting rule changes that made it way easier to cast a vote. Whether you think that was a good idea or not, the fact is, that's why both Trump and Biden increased dramatically from 2016.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:14 PM (UYnhV)
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Nice try, NeverTrump twat. You see, while the rules made it easier, one party doesn't actually do much of that "early voting" idiocy. The idea that Trump increased his vote total by 11 million because it was "easier" to vote is horseshit. Biden *allegedly* got 81 million votes because of fraud, ballot harvesting and more fraud.

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 04:10 PM (HYvJ2)

481 Fair and Reciprocal Trade

Secured historic trade deals to defend American workers.

Immediately withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
Ended the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and replaced it with the brand new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).
The USMCA contains powerful new protections for American manufacturers, auto-makers, farmers, dairy producers, and workers.
The USMCA is expected to generate over $68 billion in economic activity and potentially create over 550,000 new jobs over ten years.
Signed an executive order making it government policy to Buy American and Hire American, and took action to stop the outsourcing of jobs overseas.
Negotiated with Japan to slash tariffs and open its market to $7 billion in American agricultural products and ended its ban on potatoes and lamb.
Over 90 percent of American agricultural exports to Japan now receive preferential treatment, and most are duty-free.
Negotiated another deal with Japan to boost $40 billion worth of digital trade.
Renegotiated the United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement, doubling the cap on imports of American vehicles and extending the American light truck tariff.

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:11 PM (MwHgU)

482
So John Kerry ran 20 years ago, that kid has no idea what John Kerry ran on.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 03:59 PM (RIvkX)

Neither did John Kerry. Kerry was a single-issue candidate who actually ran on "I'm not Bush".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2023 04:12 PM (n+4am)

483 And I am not sure where you get 22% of the population killed in the civil war - it was a damn bloody mess - but I think the math that gets to 22% is off.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 04:13 PM (GZYu7)

484 American Energy Independence

Unleashed America’s oil and natural gas potential.

For the first time in nearly 70 years, the United States has become a net energy exporter.
The United States is now the number one producer of oil and natural gas in the world.
Natural gas production reached a record-high of 34.9 quads in 2019, following record high production in 2018 and in 2017.
The United States has been a net natural gas exporter for three consecutive years and has an export capacity of nearly 10 billion cubic feet per day.
Withdrew from the unfair, one-sided Paris Climate Agreement.
Canceled the previous administration’s Clean Power Plan, and replaced it with the new Affordable Clean Energy rule.
Approved the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
Opened up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) in Alaska to oil and gas leasing.
Repealed the last administration’s Federal Coal Leasing Moratorium, which prohibited coal leasing on Federal lands.
Reformed permitting rules to eliminate unnecessary bureaucracy and speed approval for mines.
Fixed the New Source Review permitting program, which punished companies for upgrading or repairing coal power plants.

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:13 PM (MwHgU)

485 223 Funny how the Trump legal team never mentioned any of that.

Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:23 PM (UYnhV)
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Holy shit, we're back to claiming this dumb shit ? They brought cases all across the country. Not ONE court heard any evidence. Any discussion of the "Trump legal team" hinges 100% on that fact.

But do go on, jackass

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 04:13 PM (HYvJ2)

486 >>> BREAKING: DOJ is threatening to sue Texas if it moves forward with its strict new border security law, which is set to take effect in March and would allow TX authorities to arrest & deport anyone who crosses into TX illegally.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024

Imagine that - The Federal Government suing a border state to force them to be invaded.
Couldn't get a much more blatant violation of basic Constitutional premises - to protect each state from foreign invasion.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2023 04:13 PM (cOq4q)

487 All of you amateur historians are overlooking the effect of vampirism on the Civil War.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 03:58 PM (FVME7)

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And umpirism.

Had Major League Baseball been in existence, and a North-South All-Star Game played to determine the winner of the conflict -- the South undoubtedly would have won and all those lives lost would have been spared.

Unless the North bribed the umpires ...

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 04:14 PM (+7062)

488 >>>All he is is an old, corrupt douchebag and failed politician. The reason why he felt like he could get away with this shit is because he knew he had supporters like you, who would excuse his every misstep and try and rationalize everything.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 04:01 PM (DD2uw)

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And....there it is. Projection finally rears its ugly head.

Posted by: Turn 2 at December 28, 2023 04:14 PM (JfxgE)

489 Investing in America’s Workers and Families

Affordable and high-quality Child Care for American workers and their families.

Doubled the Child Tax Credit from $1,000 to $2,000 per child and expanded the eligibility for receiving the credit.
Nearly 40 million families benefitted from the child tax credit (CTC), receiving an average benefit of $2,200 – totaling credits of approximately $88 billion.
Signed the largest-ever increase in Child Care and Development Block Grants – expanding access to quality, affordable child care for more than 800,000 low-income families.
Secured an additional $3.5 billion in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act to help families and first responders with child care needs.
Created the first-ever paid family leave tax credit for employees earning $72,000 or less.
Signed into law 12-weeks of paid parental leave for Federal workers.
Signed into law a provision that enables new parents to withdraw up to $5,000 from their retirement accounts without penalty when they give birth to or adopt a child.
Advanced apprenticeship career pathways to good-paying jobs.

Expanded apprenticeships to more than 850,000

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:14 PM (MwHgU)

490 Remaking the Federal Judiciary

Appointed a historic number of Federal judges who will interpret the Constitution as written.

Nominated and confirmed over 230 Federal judges.
Confirmed 54 judges to the United States Courts of Appeals, making up nearly a third of the entire appellate bench.
Filled all Court of Appeals vacancies for the first time in four decades.
Flipped the Second, Third, and Eleventh Circuits from Democrat-appointed majorities to Republican-appointed majorities. And dramatically reshaped the long-liberal Ninth Circuit.
Appointed three Supreme Court justices, expanding its conservative-appointed majority to 6-3.

Appointed Justice Neil Gorsuch to replace Justice Antonin Scalia.
Appointed Justice Brett Kavanaugh to replace Justice Anthony Kennedy.
Appointed Justice Amy Coney Barrett to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:16 PM (MwHgU)

491 Neither did John Kerry. Kerry was a single-issue candidate who actually ran on "I'm not Bush".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2023 04:12 PM (n+4am)

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2 issues: DID YOU KNOW THAT HE "SERVED" IN VIETNAM?

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 04:17 PM (+7062)

492 Donald Trump is likely going into a federal penitentiary by this time next year, and you're saying it's everyone else who has a problem with poor character and lack of intelligence?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:27 PM (DD2uw)
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By all means, say some more dumb shit. So now Trump suffers from "poor character and lack of intelligence" because the left has weaponized the government against him ?

Please, tell us the single most serious charge you think will put him in jail that you agree with....

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 04:17 PM (HYvJ2)

493 And there is a lot I like about Trump's first term, it wasn't all failure. Foreign policy generally very good. The economy was good.

Yes he fucked up covid - he is a germaphobe.

My current objections are his covering for Disney and InBev on issues that are very important to me. So I have some sympathy that he will cave to the lefties because he already has in the GOP primary. I am fortunate to live in state where it doesn't matter - the GOP candidate will take my state by double digits.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 04:18 PM (GZYu7)

494 And all of which Biden reversed on day one

Achieving a Secure Border

Secured the Southern Border of the United States.

Built over 400 miles of the world’s most robust and advanced border wall.
Illegal crossings have plummeted over 87 percent where the wall has been constructed.
Deployed nearly 5,000 troops to the Southern border. In addition, Mexico deployed tens of thousands of their own soldiers and national guardsmen to secure their side of the US-Mexico border.
Ended the dangerous practice of Catch-and-Release, which means that instead of aliens getting released into the United States pending future hearings never to be seen again, they are detained pending removal, and then ultimately returned to their home countries.
Entered into three historic asylum cooperation agreements with Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala to stop asylum fraud and resettle illegal migrants in third-party nations pending their asylum applications.
Entered into a historic partnership with Mexico, referred to as the “Migrant Protection Protocols,” to safely return asylum-seekers to Mexico while awaiting hearings in the United States.
Fully enforced the immigration laws of the United States.

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:18 PM (MwHgU)

495 Also much overturned or destroyed by Biden

Restoring American Leadership Abroad

Restored America’s leadership in the world and successfully negotiated to ensure our allies pay their fair share for our military protection.

Secured a $400 billion increase in defense spending from NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) allies by 2024, and the number of members meeting their minimum obligations more than doubled.
Credited by Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg for strengthening NATO.
Worked to reform and streamline the United Nations (UN) and reduced spending by $1.3 billion.
Allies, including Japan and the Republic of Korea, committed to increase burden-sharing.
Protected our Second Amendment rights by announcing the United States will never ratify the UN Arms Trade Treaty.
Returned 56 hostages and detainees from more than 24 countries.
Worked to advance a free and open Indo-Pacific region, promoting new investments and expanding American partnerships.
Advanced peace through strength.

Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Nuclear Deal and imposed crippling sanctions on the Iranian Regime.
Conducted vigorous enforcement on all sanctions to bring Iran’s oil exports to zero

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:20 PM (MwHgU)

496 And can we say no new wars?

Cherishing Life and Religious Liberty

Steadfastly supported the sanctity of every human life and worked tirelessly to prevent government funding of abortion.

Reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy, ensuring that taxpayer money is not used to fund abortion globally.
Issued a rule preventing Title X taxpayer funding from subsiding the abortion industry.
Supported legislation to end late-term abortions.
Cut all funding to the United Nations population fund due to the fund’s support for coercive abortion and forced sterilization.
Signed legislation overturning the previous administration’s regulation that prohibited states from defunding abortion facilities as part of their family planning programs.
Fully enforced the requirement that taxpayer dollars do not support abortion coverage in Obamacare exchange plans.
Stopped the Federal funding of fetal tissue research.
Worked to protect healthcare entities and individuals’ conscience rights – ensuring that no medical professional is forced to participate in an abortion in violation of their beliefs.
Issued an executive order reinforcing requirement that all hospitals in the United States provide medi

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 28, 2023 04:21 PM (MwHgU)

497 Thanks Gonzotx for the rundown. However lets speculate about what he might do basing it on fantasies. I speculate that PDT will have Pence as his VP. There I can make crap up as well as the next person.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 28, 2023 04:22 PM (2NHgQ)

498 States' Rights was the formal cause of the Civil War.
Slavery was the material cause.

The War took place because some states seceded and the Federal Government took up arms to force them to remain in the union. But obviously, the seceding states seceded to protect their "right" to own slaves.

Posted by: lyford at December 28, 2023 04:23 PM (gb+vr)

499 That's what I don't get. How could he court them (PDT supporters) more effectively?
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There was a narrow, narrow window where DeSantis could have won.
It was in being to the right of Trump. Look at the complaints of his supporters.
That's the one reason I said he should have run.
Ron didn't do that.
He hired Chris Christie's former campaign manager.
He went on Erick Erickson's radio show.
He's gathered a bunch of RINO endorsements.

But let's look at what got him in the conversation to start with, his wins in FL. Why in the F did he stop that once he started running? Like, here's some easy lay ups to keep you in the game and he's dribbling in circles at half court.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 28, 2023 04:25 PM (TzW+Y)

500 You are lying. You are not 'vaccinated.' You are on HCQ and Zinc. Also, Covid isn't all that serious to those that have a good immune system.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (Zz0t1)

Well, he's certainly immune to good sense.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2023 04:26 PM (tkR6S)

501 Why is it that trolls seem always to go by a single given name?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 03:54 PM (YqDXo)

It's a habit picked up from Grindr.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2023 04:27 PM (tkR6S)

502 My question is, are you angry at Trump for, in your version of events, ordering his supporters to march into a trap? That's what you said happened. If you're not angry at him, why not?
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:38 PM (DD2uw)
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He did no such fucking thing, Terry. He literally told them to march PEACEFULLY to the capitol so their voices could be heard. PERIOD. THE END.

Rioting was never part of that equation, it was apparently part of the Democrat / Deep state side of things, though.

The FACT is, a significant portion, if not the majority of these terrible insurrectionists walked through open doors long after the rioting was over.

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 04:28 PM (HYvJ2)

503 Thank you, Gonzotx. It took 450+ comments for someone to actually address "Actual conservative populists like me who think Donald Trump is a fuck-up only capable of tweets and rally statements, not actually enacting any of his alleged program into law,*

A Trump bootlicker whining about trolling is rich. Nice contradictory bullshit in the same post, stupid.
Posted by: Terry at December 28, 2023 03:50 PM (DD2uw)

*sadly shakes head* never thought I'd see the day.

Posted by: old chick at December 28, 2023 04:29 PM (sOete)

504 346 If Trump gets a second term, it'll be more or less a repeat of the first. Only difference: if the Dems control both houses of Congress, they'll impeach and convict. Otherwise, it'll mostly be nothing much getting done accompanied by hysterical accusations.
Posted by: And I can live with that at December 28, 2023 03:45 PM (pjs7m)
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Dear simpleton, it takes a TWO THIRDS vote in the Senate to convict and remove, not a simple majority. Try again.

Posted by: deadrody at December 28, 2023 04:33 PM (HYvJ2)

505 “The American Civil War was fought for almost as many reasons as there were participants, but for much of the Southern Planter Class, it was unquestionably about the preservation of slavery.”

Seriously, how hard would that have been?

The Lost Cause was real, but it was lost when Jefferson Davis rolled Robert Toombs in the Montgomery convention. Obviously, well before the Yankees ever got involved.
Davis wrapping himself in the mantle in the aftermath of the war is both infuriating and insulting.

It’s true that the North didn’t embrace the abolition of slavery as a rallying cry until Cold Harbor.
It’s also pretty irrelevant.

After generations of educational malpractice, it’s not very useful to point out that the same percentage of the population of both Pennsylvania and South Carolina were members of abolitionist groups.
Or that there were black Planters.
Or any number of other factoids that would complicate a strictly Manichean good/evil dichotomy.
(But it’s kind of fun to lean into the Marxist belief system and point out that the Planter Class actively conspired with Northern interests to keep the South poor. They ground them between excise taxes and tariffs like colony

Posted by: Luke at December 28, 2023 04:42 PM (LcCGY)

506 Dot-head McCain.

Trump was elected as an outsider. Just as he was in NYC real estate, he is an outsider who wants to be an insider. He really wants to sit with the cool kids.

Know that he will only drain the swamp to the point that he's left as the tallest creature standing in it.

Posted by: Ronsonic at December 28, 2023 04:45 PM (My44I)

507 For Trump's first term, I thought he would act as Ace says he'll act next time.
I was very pleasantly surprised when he was great.
He fought the Dems, the GOP and the Media and still kept most of his promises.
He kept trying to build his wall with Mexico, but the GOP stopped him cold.

The next election will be a huge, blatant steal. They cannot allow a non-establishment candidate to win.
Who do you want running, a squish who will not say that they're stealing another election or someone who will fight?
That's the only question you have to answer.

Posted by: Veeshir at December 28, 2023 04:51 PM (mpmL+)

508 Slavery was the excuse ginned up by the North after the tremendous bloodshed wasn't justified by the real reason, which was tariffs and excise taxes.

Lincoln and the Republicans understood that the 2 March 1861 Morrill Tariff would result in secession of Southern states from the Union.

The US Congress even tried a compromise where they would guarantee the Southern states could permanently keep slavery by Constitutional amendment (the Corwin Amendment), if they would only not secede and submit to the new excise taxes designed to force the South to purchase manufactured goods from Northern industrialists instead of Europe.

In his inaugural address Lincoln said: “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

President Lincoln made the deal clear to the South: Stay in the Union and slavery is guaranteed by the government of the United States of America for ever.

Slavery was a component of the war, but it was not fought in order to abolish it.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at December 28, 2023 04:59 PM (diMhW)

509 Well it took about three weeks but reset the clock on Ace's growing TDS. It's like when Analpundit was struck down from HotAir a piece of him travelled through the internet tubes and embedded some of his TDS into Ace's soul.

I'm just more amazed at the new revision that a) Trump totally lost 2020 legitmately and b) Trump's first term wasn't that good.

Bitches be lyin' if they're saying 2018 and 2019 weren't the best years financially for people in decades.

Posted by: UwU_Power at December 28, 2023 05:23 PM (3kWw+)

510 the only person in the race who has shown any ability to implement Trump policies has been Ron de Santas.

Posted by: Garbled memo at December 28, 2023 05:36 PM (8E/8X)

511 the only person in the race who has shown any ability to implement Trump policies has been Ron de Santas.
Posted by: Garbled memo at December 28, 2023 05:36 PM (8E/8X)
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The only one in the race, in both parties, who can govern at all

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (s0j9U)

512 Haley has one (1) thing in common with Lincoln:
they both hauled down a Confederate battle flag.
Haley would have been in a stronger position to make a
ringing indictment of slavery, had she not done that. b

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (FCs/J)

513 14 The states' rights fought over were not slavery.
The Union used slavery as a recruiting tool.
Fort Sumter was not fired on because they wanted to keep slaves, it was because the North was strangling them economically.
Jeez.
Posted by: Veeshir at December 28, 2023 02:50 PM

Thank YOU, VEESHIR. AMEN. Ace, don't libel the South. Some of us Southerners spend time here.

Posted by: Close The Fed at December 28, 2023 06:25 PM (LeNk3)

514 Liberal Democrats Leftists claim America was founded on Slavery which is a Lie the leftists NEA and the leftists run Collages and Universties are guilt of Sedition and they should drink their cup of Hemlock just like Soccraties

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at December 28, 2023 06:28 PM (wGqjj)

515 100% Ace. My exact view of Trump.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at December 28, 2023 06:51 PM (FRT/w)

516 According to the United States census of 1860, only 2% of Southerners on slaves. But I guess the 98% of Southerners who did not own any slaves and had no dog in that particular fight went to war for 4 years on behalf of the plantation owners. I guess.

Posted by: Beverly at December 28, 2023 07:10 PM (Epeb0)

517 Am I still banned?

Posted by: Seattle Slough at December 28, 2023 07:19 PM (KcqqB)

518 It's adorable that you think you're any kind of conservative.

You're a NYC rino. And all it took was one guy to actually fight the establishment to show it.

Posted by: Clownshow at December 28, 2023 08:00 PM (euG9/)

519 >>> Slavery was a component of the war, but it was not fought in order to abolish it.
Posted by: ruralcounsel

True - It was fought over expanding it and maximizing profits for with it.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2023 09:07 PM (cOq4q)

520 Whɑt's up, yes this piece of writing is in fact pleasant ɑnd Ӏ
have learned lot of things from it concerning blogging. thanks.

Posted by: neal at December 28, 2023 09:14 PM (U4Wmg)

521 Have you apologized to Allahpundit for stealing his TDS? FFS

Posted by: Bill C at December 28, 2023 11:18 PM (qh1Pk)

522 * I also strongly, strongly suspect that Trump would use his second term -- if somehow he won one -- to repair his reputation with the leftwing media whose affirmation and praise he craves. And that means selling out his actual supporters in order to "evolve in office" to please the people whose opinions matter to him.

there's been no evidence of this, but loads of evidence that politicians like DeSantis "grow" in office to become W or McCain or Romney.

I don't think Trump is perfect, but cmon - to claim he's going to go liberal after what he's been through and pretend instead that DeSantis isn't likely to be a GOPe regular (DeSantis is surrounded by GOPe types), is ignoring all of republican history of the last 50 years.

I get not liking Trump, but your anti-trump argument is not even remotely persuasive nor based in facts. Saying he can't enact a conservative agenda - when the GOP is 98.9% against a conservative agenda (thank you Mitch McConnell) is ignoring the fact that a politician like DeSantis will face the same anti-conservative GOP. Is someone like DeSasntis really going to take on the establishment and secure the border? I highly, highly, highly doubt it.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 29, 2023 07:52 AM (ky+MF)

523 Lincoln himself, in a letter to Horace Greeley, said the war was not over slavery. He said, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that."

The right to leave the Union, not slavery, was the state right that was the cause of the war. The four states of the upper South did not leave the Union over the question of slavery, but Lincoln's call for 75,000 volunteers to invade the original seven seceding states. Their reasoning was that a union that could only be maintained at the point of a bayonet had ceased to be a union.

Posted by: Joel T Leggett at December 29, 2023 09:26 AM (4HJjG)

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