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Gun Thread: Sunday Before Christmas Eve Edition!
photo courtesy Duncanthrax
A: Christmas Day! Christmas Day happens right after Christmas Eve! With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?
More Q&A
Q: Weasel, are we getting ripped-off again this week, content-wise?
A: Why yes, yes as a matter-of-fact you are. Re-run Alert: Here's a fun look back at the guns of Christmas from yester-year featured on the December 2, 2018 Gun Thread.
Thanks Santa!!
Daisy Red Ryder BB Gun
Even Glocks Deserve Attention
Oh, OK. I suppose I should address cleaning a Glock, so here's a video of cleaning a Glock for you Glock owners.
Help! I own a Glock!
Understanding My Mental Illness - for Glock Owners
Glock Owner's Crisis Hotline and Support Group You're welcome, and good luck with your recovery.
More Model of 1917
Our pal hickok45 is back and shooting his Model of 1917.
Christmas Gift Ideas
Our Pal Turpentine: The Nectar of the Pine Tree
The Earth vs. The Flying Saucers
We had an exciting clip from this classic movie last week, so what the hell, here's the whole thing! It's no The Day The Earth Stood Still, but surely a close second, and both feature our pal Hugh Marlow, although he was kind of a turd in TDTESS. Anyhow, enjoy this Christmas classic!
Musical Interlude
I ask you, what better way is there to get in the Christmas spirit than two full hours of classic KMart in-store Christmas muzak?
Special Gun Thread Musical Interlude Bonus!
Some cats covering Simple Man.
Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal with the first 2023 installment of the 12 Days of Carry!
Joya de Nicaragua is the oldest cigar company in Nicaragua, having opened before the diaspora of cigar families fleeing Castro's Cuba arrived and helped turn the country into the powerhouse of 'New World' (non-Cuban) cigars that it is today. I've reviewed their Antano CT (one of my favorite Connecticut's) and Silver (one of my first favorite Maduros). The Joya Black is a very dark cigar, with a rustic looking Mexican San Andres wrapper. I tried the 'Nocturno', which is a corona (6.25 X 46). Binder and filler are Nicaraguan. The burn line was fairly well behaved, requiring only a few touch-ups. Smoke was ample. For a cigar so dark it did not come across to me as extremely strong, and the flavors were subtle. Coffee or mocha, and an overall slight sweetness. Overall a nice simple experience. The Black is available online for $7 and up.Bigly Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!
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Cigarbid.com A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!
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Comments
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Yeah Weasel!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 07:01 PM (TkA04)
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Post-Hanukkah greetings to Morons and 'Ettes, fellow members of the Tribe or not, and thank you again dear Mr. Weasel for your outstanding efforts on the Gun Thread.
Posted by: Cowboyneal at December 17, 2023 07:01 PM (/jWPx)
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Bang!!!! Off to content
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:01 PM (f0/sc)
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BLAM BLAM BLAM!
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 17, 2023 07:01 PM (dy/xE)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2023 07:01 PM (fwDg9)
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oh, and a first!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 07:01 PM (TkA04)
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SPONGE!!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)
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My childhood with a air rifle didn't end well, no injuries but expensive glass sliding door
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2023 07:04 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)
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Woot woot! Picked up a Stevens single shot .410 for a $50. Yay me. Project gun.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:05 PM (GIBR7)
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Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea! Lots of gub stories to tell.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:05 PM (IFNME)
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Turpentine is an underrated cleaner of old milsurp stocks and metal, etc. and better for you, the vintage wood, and the environment instead using nasty oven cleaners etc.
Just be sure to keep it away from flames and use it in a well ventilated space.
Just be sure to keep it away from flames and use it in a well ventilated space.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:06 PM (JAi95)
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Corgis called.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:06 PM (GIBR7)
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I had to buy my own Red Ryder. I like to sit on the front porch and lob bbs down the hill at old light bulbs. In the afternoon with the Sun behind it's easy to see the trajectory and compensate.
Posted by: fd at December 17, 2023 07:07 PM (vFG9F)
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Wow, have we been commenting here for over 5 years? Damn.
Never owned a BB gun but did shoot my friends.
Past week and a half have been long hours at work covering for someone who is on their mandatory two week vacation, so no range time. But I have been watching gubs and such on the Youtube.
Never owned a BB gun but did shoot my friends.
Past week and a half have been long hours at work covering for someone who is on their mandatory two week vacation, so no range time. But I have been watching gubs and such on the Youtube.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:07 PM (f0/sc)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:08 PM (GIBR7)
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RMBS!! Did you hook up with RI Red to attach a thingy to your shooty shooty?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:09 PM (f0/sc)
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:09 PM (eJWvx)
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Started with a Daisy 880. Moved up to an RWS/Diana 75TO1 match springer. I loved that thing. About 6 years ago I tried to shoot it and discovered that the leather piston seals were deteriorated. Sent it in for refurbishment, and that bad boy is still shooting one-hole groups.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)
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16 What did you shoot them with?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:08 PM
Cannot discuss that. Under lock and seal. :-p
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:08 PM
Cannot discuss that. Under lock and seal. :-p
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:10 PM (f0/sc)
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You can shoot your Red Ryder indoors too. It's kinda safe. You need a trap made out of a box stuffed with stuff. It's relatively safe for shooting vermin in the shop shed or barn too.
Posted by: fd at December 17, 2023 07:11 PM (vFG9F)
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I've owned two Enfield 1917s, a Winchester and an Eddystone. I liked the sights but didn't like either rifle they are not balanced very well. I then got a Springfield 1903A3, Remington, and found it poorly balanced and far too light.
I finally got a Yugo M48 8mm and that's about the perfect Mauser for me. I think the USA just kind of screwed the pooch with the bolt action and really didn't get it right with a battle rifle until the M1 Garand, then screwed that up again for quite a while.
Still not a fan of the Stoner designs.
I finally got a Yugo M48 8mm and that's about the perfect Mauser for me. I think the USA just kind of screwed the pooch with the bolt action and really didn't get it right with a battle rifle until the M1 Garand, then screwed that up again for quite a while.
Still not a fan of the Stoner designs.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:11 PM (/BBNv)
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I'd rather have had the mail-order Boys ATR!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 07:11 PM (2yu8s)
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Good evening everyone. Took the Henry out for deer Saturday and saw cardinals and squirrels.
Thank you as always for the Gun Thread, Weasel.
A great week to all!
Thank you as always for the Gun Thread, Weasel.
A great week to all!
Posted by: Coelacanth at December 17, 2023 07:11 PM (KLKSV)
Posted by: Ciampino - Grease the action at December 17, 2023 07:11 PM (qfLjt)
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Today we did a smaller version of the DMV MGC as it was the week before Christmas edition. We decided shooting rifles on the 50 yard range (the longest our rangevoffers) was appropriate. Ed L. brought a B&T SPR300 Pro which is an integrally suppressed bolt action short barrel rifle in .300 Blackout. The claim is that it is the quiet centerfire rifle available.
My assessment is that this is correct. It sounds like a spring BB gun (like a Red Ryder!) First time I fired it I thought it was a misfire - it did not go bang! It is ridiculously quiet. Ed L. acquired a Trijicon optic from another moron (don't know the specs but a really nice piece of glass) and he was getting it zeroed for the first time. He brought a tripod and once it was dialed in, it was dialed in.
Now, it's from B&T not PSA, so it is definitely not a budget firearm. But if you have the means, I highly recommend it.
My assessment is that this is correct. It sounds like a spring BB gun (like a Red Ryder!) First time I fired it I thought it was a misfire - it did not go bang! It is ridiculously quiet. Ed L. acquired a Trijicon optic from another moron (don't know the specs but a really nice piece of glass) and he was getting it zeroed for the first time. He brought a tripod and once it was dialed in, it was dialed in.
Now, it's from B&T not PSA, so it is definitely not a budget firearm. But if you have the means, I highly recommend it.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:13 PM (IFNME)
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I visited the Vojne Muzej in Beograd and took lots of pictures of really obscure stuff left over in The Balkans last week.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:13 PM (/BBNv)
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RMBS!! Did you hook up with RI Red to attach a thingy to your shooty shooty?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:09 PM
Not yet, Scoob. Just got the scope in on Monday. I still need to buy a base and rings. Probably after the holidays. Then I'll be happy to take RI Red up on the offer. The glass is beautiful. Looking forward to using it.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:09 PM
Not yet, Scoob. Just got the scope in on Monday. I still need to buy a base and rings. Probably after the holidays. Then I'll be happy to take RI Red up on the offer. The glass is beautiful. Looking forward to using it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:13 PM (Wnv9h)
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I did the right thing getting DILIT a G 44 for her birthday. It makes Christmas shopping so much easier. Mrs. Red is giving her a fancy range bag and we are going to equip it: holster, larger cap mags, gloves, over-glasses eye pro, range cleaning kit, lots of .22 in various flavors.
I love helping Santa.
I love helping Santa.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:14 PM (eJWvx)
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I've got a BB machine gun too. That thing is a blast but it huffs CO2 and only holds 25 rounds, about 2 1/2 seconds.
Posted by: fd at December 17, 2023 07:15 PM (vFG9F)
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There are two weaknesses of the P14/1917 US Rifle. One is the ejector which is a ridiculous very breakable one piece spring (P14 and 1917 rifles have different size ejector springs becuz different sized cartridges to eject.
The second is bolt takedown. Unlike the friendly Mauser 98 style takedown, the P14 and 1917 Rifle bolts are best taken down with a U shaped shim that helps you avoid the very strong firing pin springs from launching the firing pin at your eye or ceiling or the slipping and crushing parts of your anatomy by the bolt shroud slipping. Always wear safety glasses, face shields or goggles, when taking these down to components.
Some use pennies or dimes as the takedown shim but these can slip out fairly easily.
If you have the semi rare Dayton Traister cock on opening kit on it (to make it like most other bolt action rifles), those are VERY difficult to take down due to spring pressure required for the conversion. ALWAYS use the proper tool to take these down. First 1917 had this installed and taking down the bolt was a literal pain to do so and had to make a tool (the u shaped shim) to do so.
The second is bolt takedown. Unlike the friendly Mauser 98 style takedown, the P14 and 1917 Rifle bolts are best taken down with a U shaped shim that helps you avoid the very strong firing pin springs from launching the firing pin at your eye or ceiling or the slipping and crushing parts of your anatomy by the bolt shroud slipping. Always wear safety glasses, face shields or goggles, when taking these down to components.
Some use pennies or dimes as the takedown shim but these can slip out fairly easily.
If you have the semi rare Dayton Traister cock on opening kit on it (to make it like most other bolt action rifles), those are VERY difficult to take down due to spring pressure required for the conversion. ALWAYS use the proper tool to take these down. First 1917 had this installed and taking down the bolt was a literal pain to do so and had to make a tool (the u shaped shim) to do so.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:15 PM (JAi95)
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28 The glass is beautiful. Looking forward to using it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:13 PM
I am sure you have taken the scope out and looked through it numerous times, I know I did. :-)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:13 PM
I am sure you have taken the scope out and looked through it numerous times, I know I did. :-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:15 PM (f0/sc)
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I love helping Santa.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:14 PM
I, too, enjoy playing a subordinate Claus every year.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:14 PM
I, too, enjoy playing a subordinate Claus every year.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:15 PM (Wnv9h)
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I am sure you have taken the scope out and looked through it numerous times, I know I did. :-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:15 PM
Hell yeah. What do I look like...a grown up?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:15 PM
Hell yeah. What do I look like...a grown up?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:16 PM (Wnv9h)
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Hopefully the Glock fanbois amongst us will find the help they so desperatly need in those helpful links you posted, Weasel.
As this is the season of hope, we wish fervently they find their path to the one true way, JMB (PBUH), and his greatest creation, the 1911.
As this is the season of hope, we wish fervently they find their path to the one true way, JMB (PBUH), and his greatest creation, the 1911.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:17 PM (a3Q+t)
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Also, in this season of hope, may NZFrank abjure his fascination with Lee-Enfields, and embrace Garands.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:18 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:17 PM (a3Q+t)
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We can hope, my friend, we can hope.
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We can hope, my friend, we can hope.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 07:18 PM (RG6z4)
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LenNeal,
The probable reason it did not 'balance' for you is the stock length. People were shorter then and the butt stock length and trigger reach were designed to fit the average male back then. Shorter stocks are relatively easy to fix with simply adding a slip on recoil stock that makes these easier to shoot extended periods anyway.
FWIW, the so called bloody nose S stock of the 1903 is short enough that shooters that unwisely put their thumb across the wrist often ended up with it gouging out part of their face or nose upon recoil. C stocks or even the Scant grips are more comfortable to shoot for a lot of folks but the S stock using iron sights recoils straight back which some people prefer.
The probable reason it did not 'balance' for you is the stock length. People were shorter then and the butt stock length and trigger reach were designed to fit the average male back then. Shorter stocks are relatively easy to fix with simply adding a slip on recoil stock that makes these easier to shoot extended periods anyway.
FWIW, the so called bloody nose S stock of the 1903 is short enough that shooters that unwisely put their thumb across the wrist often ended up with it gouging out part of their face or nose upon recoil. C stocks or even the Scant grips are more comfortable to shoot for a lot of folks but the S stock using iron sights recoils straight back which some people prefer.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:20 PM (JAi95)
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I’m having my annual winter head cold, so no range time this weekend. Bah, humbug.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:20 PM (eJWvx)
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Bought my first long arm a couple of weeks ago via online store. [Free postage too!]
The ISSC MK22 [SCAR lookalike] in .22LR along with three extra magazines [also mail order] that are recommended at 22 rounds to avoid possible jamming but might be able to take up to 23 rounds.
I saw how to charge the magazines properly on the 'net and hope to use it soon.
Just using the supplied front & rear sights as my beginner's weapon.
The ISSC MK22 [SCAR lookalike] in .22LR along with three extra magazines [also mail order] that are recommended at 22 rounds to avoid possible jamming but might be able to take up to 23 rounds.
I saw how to charge the magazines properly on the 'net and hope to use it soon.
Just using the supplied front & rear sights as my beginner's weapon.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 07:20 PM (2yu8s)
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Got a Red Ryder for Christmas when I was 7, took several years but I flat wore it out. Best “toy” I ever got for Christmas.
Posted by: Rancherbob at December 17, 2023 07:20 PM (21WHr)
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Rogers AR has a Daisy Airgun Museum, featuring a 25' statue of the Red Ryder.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:21 PM (0EOe9)
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29 I did the right thing getting DILIT a G 44 for her birthday. It makes Christmas shopping so much easier. Mrs. Red is giving her a fancy range bag and we are going to equip it: holster, larger cap mags, gloves, over-glasses eye pro, range cleaning kit, lots of .22 in various flavors.
I love helping Santa.
Posted by: RI Red
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You are a helluva elf if that is what you are getting her.
I love helping Santa.
Posted by: RI Red
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You are a helluva elf if that is what you are getting her.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:21 PM (JAi95)
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An oddity which is very little known and I got into with DocAV about it on Gunboards years ago, when he refused to admit he was wrong, and pissed me off (I do not like people who can't admit being wrong); the 'French' Chauchat was made for Belgium in 7.65mm, then sold to Serbia with the idea of using up old stocks of ammunition, then rechambered to 7.92mm Mauser. The magazines look like the ill-fated .30-06 USA version, but are not at all. The Muzej has one on display, and I know they have a bunch of them hidden away.
They are not the Polish conversions, they are not Partisan one-offs, they are a real thing. There were never very many, maybe 2,000 total. But they are not French, not US, not Polish, or half-assed conversions. A few turned up into the 1950s in tribal conflicts in Albania.
They are not the Polish conversions, they are not Partisan one-offs, they are a real thing. There were never very many, maybe 2,000 total. But they are not French, not US, not Polish, or half-assed conversions. A few turned up into the 1950s in tribal conflicts in Albania.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:22 PM (/BBNv)
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 07:22 PM (RG6z4)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:17 PM (a3Q+t)
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We can hope, my friend, we can hope.
Posted by: Weasel
I think you forgot to add "in vain" to that sentence.
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We can hope, my friend, we can hope.
Posted by: Weasel
I think you forgot to add "in vain" to that sentence.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 07:23 PM (TkA04)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 07:24 PM (2yu8s)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 17, 2023 07:24 PM (y4V0S)
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I am very blessed. Some time back I received some .308 in an order by mistake. sra blaster suggested and I agreed rapidly that I could remedy this problem by acquiring a rifle chambered in .308. (Note, this solution was also offered by the Gun Thread). So win-win.
Well, with permission to purchase one .308 rifle, I of course ended up with TWO. I wanted a Mossberg Scout, which was scarce, and a Mossberg Patrol (similar, but not the same) came up on Gunbroker. And then a Scout came up before I received the Patrol, and I bought that, too.
Cool. But one of those rifles was on the authorized list, and one was not. So the extra rifle stayed hidden in the safe/bottom of the creek. And then, last week, sra blaster says "I like shooting .308 I want one." So I said,
well I think I have something for you. Today we went to the range and she is SCARY good with the Patrol the way it is set up. So, yes, win-win! I made her happy, AND I didn't get in trouble!
Well, with permission to purchase one .308 rifle, I of course ended up with TWO. I wanted a Mossberg Scout, which was scarce, and a Mossberg Patrol (similar, but not the same) came up on Gunbroker. And then a Scout came up before I received the Patrol, and I bought that, too.
Cool. But one of those rifles was on the authorized list, and one was not. So the extra rifle stayed hidden in the safe/bottom of the creek. And then, last week, sra blaster says "I like shooting .308 I want one." So I said,
well I think I have something for you. Today we went to the range and she is SCARY good with the Patrol the way it is set up. So, yes, win-win! I made her happy, AND I didn't get in trouble!
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:24 PM (IFNME)
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Whig, last year I gave both her and Mrs. R gift certificates for instruction at the range. Mrs. R has never used hers, but DILIT is going to use hers this week with her new gun.
I like having my household well equipped and trained!
I like having my household well equipped and trained!
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:25 PM (eJWvx)
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36 Also, in this season of hope, may NZFrank abjure his fascination with Lee-Enfields, and embrace Garands.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Why? Garands and Lee-Enfields are apples and oranges. Army Ordnance screwed up Garand's designs from the get go--first by positively refusing to accept any removable box magazine for the new battle rifle (Garand's first design had just such a magazine) and then second, Douglas MacArthur dictating that the rifle could not be in the as designed new .276 cartridge but must be redesigned to handle the portlier 30-06 cartridge because the US Army had vast amounts of it in storage dating back to WWI.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Why? Garands and Lee-Enfields are apples and oranges. Army Ordnance screwed up Garand's designs from the get go--first by positively refusing to accept any removable box magazine for the new battle rifle (Garand's first design had just such a magazine) and then second, Douglas MacArthur dictating that the rifle could not be in the as designed new .276 cartridge but must be redesigned to handle the portlier 30-06 cartridge because the US Army had vast amounts of it in storage dating back to WWI.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:26 PM (JAi95)
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H8 has no home here!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 17, 2023 07:24 PM
But it does know the Wi-Fi password and borrows the lawn mower every now and then.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 17, 2023 07:24 PM
But it does know the Wi-Fi password and borrows the lawn mower every now and then.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:26 PM (Wnv9h)
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Howdy Weasel and all you morons!
Posted by: Rancherbob at December 17, 2023 07:27 PM (21WHr)
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When I was a kid you went to the Western Auto to get your Red Ryder and BBs. Now Harbor Freight has them.
Posted by: fd at December 17, 2023 07:27 PM (vFG9F)
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50 Whig, last year I gave both her and Mrs. R gift certificates for instruction at the range. Mrs. R has never used hers, but DILIT is going to use hers this week with her new gun.
I like having my household well equipped and trained!
Posted by: RI Red
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In these troubled times, they are very thoughtful gifts and you have your family's well being in your thoughtful gift giving.
I like having my household well equipped and trained!
Posted by: RI Red
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In these troubled times, they are very thoughtful gifts and you have your family's well being in your thoughtful gift giving.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:27 PM (JAi95)
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I made her happy, AND I didn't get in trouble!
Posted by: blaster
You, my friend, are a lucky, dare I say *very lucky* man!
Posted by: blaster
You, my friend, are a lucky, dare I say *very lucky* man!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 07:27 PM (TkA04)
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42 Rogers AR has a Daisy Airgun Museum, featuring a 25' statue of the Red Ryder.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:21 PM (0EOe9)
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Also, home of Tyson Foods, JB Hunt Trucking and right next door to Wal-Mart world headquarters in Bentonvillle!
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:21 PM (0EOe9)
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Also, home of Tyson Foods, JB Hunt Trucking and right next door to Wal-Mart world headquarters in Bentonvillle!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 17, 2023 07:27 PM (y4V0S)
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Ok all y'all. I need to crack open a spreadsheet. I'll pop back in later. Don't be assholes to each other! Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 07:27 PM (RG6z4)
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I'm here! What'd I miss?
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:28 PM (sSx7k)
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the so called bloody nose S stock of the 1903 is short enough that shooters that unwisely put their thumb across the wrist often ended up with it gouging out part of their face or nose upon recoil. C stocks or even the Scant grips are more comfortable to shoot for a lot of folks but the S stock using iron sights recoils straight back which some people prefer.
Posted by: whig'
I am aware of where to put my thumb on a hard-kicking bolt gun. I solved my bolt-action problems by acquiring a rifle that is properly designed. I am very satisfied with my Yugo M48 and strongly feel the USA variants are mostly crap.
Posted by: whig'
I am aware of where to put my thumb on a hard-kicking bolt gun. I solved my bolt-action problems by acquiring a rifle that is properly designed. I am very satisfied with my Yugo M48 and strongly feel the USA variants are mostly crap.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:28 PM (/BBNv)
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When I was a kid you went to the Western Auto to get your Red Ryder and BBs. Now Harbor Freight has them.
Posted by: fd
I think you can also buy them at Tractor Supply and Rural King.
Posted by: fd
I think you can also buy them at Tractor Supply and Rural King.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2023 07:29 PM (qoGsy)
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One of my favorite bolt rifles to shoot is the Carcano M38 Carbine.
Handles well, fixed sights (300 meters) so once you know your holds your good to go and even works fine with the used ammo clips I have as my other Carcanos tend to be clunky when feeding after 2 or 3 rounds due to the follower spring. Recoil is very mild.
Plenty accurate too using PPU ammo. Just a fun gun to shoot and test one's shooting abilities.
Handles well, fixed sights (300 meters) so once you know your holds your good to go and even works fine with the used ammo clips I have as my other Carcanos tend to be clunky when feeding after 2 or 3 rounds due to the follower spring. Recoil is very mild.
Plenty accurate too using PPU ammo. Just a fun gun to shoot and test one's shooting abilities.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 07:30 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2023 07:30 PM (qoGsy)
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Damn straight, Whig!
And it’s fun and makes me happy.
And it’s fun and makes me happy.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:30 PM (eJWvx)
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Thanks for another gun thread, Weasel!
K-Mart? Shucks, I'm so much over 29 I remember S.S. Kresge five and dime stores. I think I bought BB's in a Kresge's in South Dakota a few times.
K-Mart? Shucks, I'm so much over 29 I remember S.S. Kresge five and dime stores. I think I bought BB's in a Kresge's in South Dakota a few times.
Posted by: Gref at December 17, 2023 07:31 PM (5fDan)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at December 17, 2023 07:31 PM (T/Lqj)
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44 I had a dewat Chauchat some years back. The bolt face had been welded and the chamber plugged. For display purposes I found .35 Remington fit in the magazine with the not very well thought out port showing the brass. I made up some dummy rounds for it. It was otherwise complete and in really good shape. Ended up getting donated to a service club for their display cabinet and I wasn't sure of the legal side of things but they accepted it. Same club had a little back room collection including a PPsH 41 and a FG42, both of which had missed the amnesty.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:31 PM (0EOe9)
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I have a Red Ryder 50th anniversary model in my closet. Wore many out as a pup.
I have a Sheridan Blue Streak in 5mm as well. Williams peep sight as the original one sucked
I have a Sheridan Blue Streak in 5mm as well. Williams peep sight as the original one sucked
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 17, 2023 07:33 PM (WF/xn)
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Ha, Weasel going to crack open a few “spreadsheets”.
I used to do that as a youth. I think we called them “Playboy.”
I used to do that as a youth. I think we called them “Playboy.”
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:33 PM (eJWvx)
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Marine got a Red Ryder when he was 8.
I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and buy a couple or three new ones to keep in the box to give to my future grandkids. The way things are going, you won't even be able to buy a BB gun in a decade or so.
I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and buy a couple or three new ones to keep in the box to give to my future grandkids. The way things are going, you won't even be able to buy a BB gun in a decade or so.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM (/7Sa4)
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The M1 Garand, now, that was a world-beater and I have nothing but respect for that machine. I had one, a Korean return, but one buddy wanted it so bad I sold it to him. I liked it okay but by that time I had experienced the Kalishnikov action and found it obsolete.
The M1 is the stuff, man, is that nice rifle.
The USA bolt guns, eh. Copies and worse. The German k98k is about the right business and nobody did any better.
The M1 is the stuff, man, is that nice rifle.
The USA bolt guns, eh. Copies and worse. The German k98k is about the right business and nobody did any better.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM (/BBNv)
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I don't think the 5th item on the MidSouth Shooter's Supply list counts as a "stocking stuffer" - not unless you have REALLY big stockings at your house.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM (sSx7k)
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A friend wants me to get a .308 once I move up to a larger calibre rather than 5.56 but he served in the military in "old Nato" calibre days that might be influencing him. On the other hand, I've seen a bullpup design in .308 that looked pretty cool too -- the IWI Tavor 7 [although there are 5.56 versions too like the IDF's combat versions].
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM (2yu8s)
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Are PSA AKs pretty good or better? Or should I bite the bullet money-wise and buy an Arsenal AK?
Posted by: Gref at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM (5fDan)
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Many ranges collect the spent brass. I've heard of one prankster who would drop a used wildcat round into the mix. Sure enough, a few days later the headscratching would begin, usually ending up with everyone gathered around, said casing on the counter, discussing what make & model it was from etc. (until somebody spoils the fun by looking it up on the internet.) We'd spend hours on it, among other topics. Now, don't be the joker that slips in a spent blooper. That just attracts the BATF, everybody gets the stink eye, and nobody is happy. Please, don't ever be that guy...
Posted by: May Be True or Not Range Stories at December 17, 2023 07:35 PM (Z1BDW)
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Harbor Freight sells BB guns? Doan think so.
BTW, fond memories of Western Auto from the days of my misspent yute.
BTW, fond memories of Western Auto from the days of my misspent yute.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 17, 2023 07:35 PM (NBVIP)
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Did you have an air gun, and was it a Daisy Red Ryder? Was it a surprise from Santa, or did you have to beg Mom and Dad for it? Were you allowed to roam with it at will, or were you more closely supervised?
Yep. I begged for a DRR for several years in a row. Finally showed up under the tree. Probably my best Christmas ever as a kid. No supervision, as was the custom of yesteryear. Nobody lost an eye and fun was had by all.
Yep. I begged for a DRR for several years in a row. Finally showed up under the tree. Probably my best Christmas ever as a kid. No supervision, as was the custom of yesteryear. Nobody lost an eye and fun was had by all.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 17, 2023 07:35 PM (V8he0)
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I have a 1903A1 (Type C-stock of course) Springfield Armory. I'll have to check but I believe it was made in the 1930's. It's still one of the most accurate rifles I own out to 274 meters and beyond.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 17, 2023 07:36 PM (/Mfdi)
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not unless you have REALLY big stockings at your house.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Lizzo at December 17, 2023 07:36 PM (a3Q+t)
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My daughter was gifted a Daisy single shot 499, the one where you drop the BB down into the front of the tube. I admit, that is one extremely accurate rifle!
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM (/BBNv)
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I am aware of where to put my thumb on a hard-kicking bolt gun. I solved my bolt-action problems by acquiring a rifle that is properly designed. I am very satisfied with my Yugo M48 and strongly feel the USA variants are mostly crap.
Posted by: LenNeal
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I have a Yugo M48 and quite frankly it is a pretty rough albeit stout action. Not a big fan of the elm stock as it is portly. Oberndorf Mausers are actually the creme de la creme as far as silky smoothness and even during wartime, their stds and tolerances did not slip one iota compared with other makers in both WWI and WWII. I would rate CZ's second in fit and finish but there are some variances.
You ignored what I mentioned about the bloody nose stock that is was named that because it was a short stock and doctrine at the time taught people to get right up on the tang to make the most out of the sights.
Too many people with large hands put their thumb across the wrist simply to put it somewhere and ended up with a bloody face. Improper technique but then again some feel that the stock was ill designed in the first place to allow it.
Posted by: LenNeal
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I have a Yugo M48 and quite frankly it is a pretty rough albeit stout action. Not a big fan of the elm stock as it is portly. Oberndorf Mausers are actually the creme de la creme as far as silky smoothness and even during wartime, their stds and tolerances did not slip one iota compared with other makers in both WWI and WWII. I would rate CZ's second in fit and finish but there are some variances.
You ignored what I mentioned about the bloody nose stock that is was named that because it was a short stock and doctrine at the time taught people to get right up on the tang to make the most out of the sights.
Too many people with large hands put their thumb across the wrist simply to put it somewhere and ended up with a bloody face. Improper technique but then again some feel that the stock was ill designed in the first place to allow it.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM (JAi95)
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Went to my local big box merchant o'death yesterday to pick up my gift,
To: Me
From: Me.
Long line, some folks picking up three long guns in one order, etc.
Finally get up there and while checking the new gat over engaged in small small talk with guy behind counter who advised the background check for those who have to fill out the ceremonial 4473 has been taking at least 90 minutes, some over two hours, (basically building up to suggesting that I may want to come back tomorrow...), he also says, "but some guys seem to have a friends in the right places."
Do the 4473, he does his part, hits send... and says, "You must know somebody, it came right back immediately". Then asks if I have a TS clearance.
"Maybe..." or maybe not.
Guess the guys running the 4473 are trying to figure out disparity in processing times. There is also that 'QuickCheck' or whatever TSA calls it. I suspect that some Big Government databases are constantly pinging each other with updates and as soon as one is picked-up by the popo red flags are pushed through the various systems. Same with clearances.
Time to wrap up my wonderful present. With a ribbon and big bow...
To: Me
From: Me.
Long line, some folks picking up three long guns in one order, etc.
Finally get up there and while checking the new gat over engaged in small small talk with guy behind counter who advised the background check for those who have to fill out the ceremonial 4473 has been taking at least 90 minutes, some over two hours, (basically building up to suggesting that I may want to come back tomorrow...), he also says, "but some guys seem to have a friends in the right places."
Do the 4473, he does his part, hits send... and says, "You must know somebody, it came right back immediately". Then asks if I have a TS clearance.
"Maybe..." or maybe not.
Guess the guys running the 4473 are trying to figure out disparity in processing times. There is also that 'QuickCheck' or whatever TSA calls it. I suspect that some Big Government databases are constantly pinging each other with updates and as soon as one is picked-up by the popo red flags are pushed through the various systems. Same with clearances.
Time to wrap up my wonderful present. With a ribbon and big bow...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM (cOq4q)
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Never owned a BB gun but did shoot my friends.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:07 PM (f0/sc)
Punctuation is important. Heh.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:07 PM (f0/sc)
Punctuation is important. Heh.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM (sSx7k)
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Marine got a Red Ryder when he was 8.
I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and buy a couple or three new ones to keep in the box to give to my future grandkids. The way things are going, you won't even be able to buy a BB gun in a decade or so.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM
1) Awww....what a good mom.
B) Hell yeah!
I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and buy a couple or three new ones to keep in the box to give to my future grandkids. The way things are going, you won't even be able to buy a BB gun in a decade or so.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM
1) Awww....what a good mom.
B) Hell yeah!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:38 PM (Wnv9h)
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Nurse, I gave Mrs. R a Red Ryder a few Christmases ago. She eventually gave it back to me unopened and told meto sell it.
Like heck! That’s in one of the safes waiting for a grandchild.
But Jr and DILIT better hustle. They may not let me teach grandkids to shoot, at The Home.
Like heck! That’s in one of the safes waiting for a grandchild.
But Jr and DILIT better hustle. They may not let me teach grandkids to shoot, at The Home.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM (eJWvx)
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Still not a fan of the Stoner designs.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:11 PM (/BBNv)
See? We're inclusive.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:11 PM (/BBNv)
See? We're inclusive.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM (sSx7k)
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As it is illegal for me to have ammo delivered to my home, and The Peoples Republic of New York State has decreed I have to go through a back ground check to purchase ammo, I think I will be taking a trip to PA and load up on some rifle and maybe even pistol ammo. Thanks Dictator Hochul.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM (f0/sc)
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Hrothgar brought his AR15 to rifle day. We've got him set up with some flip up sights co-witnessed with a Gaialoop red dot. It's a PSA gun with a $25 red dot on it but it's Hrothgar shooting so it's pretty much a tack driver.
Hrothgar has a problem, because he bought a Vortex LPVO to put on that AR, but it is set up so nicely now that he's got some extra glass. I am sure the folks here can make some suggestions to resolve his problem.
Hrothgar has a problem, because he bought a Vortex LPVO to put on that AR, but it is set up so nicely now that he's got some extra glass. I am sure the folks here can make some suggestions to resolve his problem.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM (IFNME)
Posted by: Marcus T at December 17, 2023 07:40 PM (/Mfdi)
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I got a Daisey RR the year I turned 7. Used the heck out of it for 3 years, then that Christmas there was a JC Higgins single shot .22 rifle under the tree. Sure wish I still had both of them.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at December 17, 2023 07:41 PM (PWe8a)
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I finally got to the range this week for the first time in many moons and it was a delightful surprise. A Ruger Mk II and a Ruger Single-Ten, iron sights, 25 yards, no rest but elbows braced. I was able to keep slightly over two inch groups that were pretty well centered. After the long absence I expected the target to look like I was using bird shot even though these guns are capable of outstanding accuracy. I credit the lessons passed along on the thread over the years: be patient, breathe slowly and remember trigger discipline. It really paid off. The next time I'm going to use a solid rest and see how that goes.
BTW, this was also my first time shooting since the cataract surgery in October. What a difference! Both sights and the target were clear and in focus. I could get used to this.
BTW, this was also my first time shooting since the cataract surgery in October. What a difference! Both sights and the target were clear and in focus. I could get used to this.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 07:41 PM (7EjX1)
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Good evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special (if recycled -- see what I did there?) tip o' the Smith & Wesson ballcap to our host Weasel.
Sadly, no presents what go pew are forecast for Monday next, although that old scamp Santa may have mercy on me yet.
Sadly, no presents what go pew are forecast for Monday next, although that old scamp Santa may have mercy on me yet.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 17, 2023 07:41 PM (v23vE)
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As it is illegal for me to have ammo delivered to my home, and The Peoples Republic of New York State has decreed I have to go through a back ground check to purchase ammo, I think I will be taking a trip to PA and load up on some rifle and maybe even pistol ammo. Thanks Dictator Hochul.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM
*fistbump*
New Hampster is really close in my case.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM
*fistbump*
New Hampster is really close in my case.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:42 PM (Wnv9h)
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over-glasses eye pro
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:14 PM (eJWvx)
What did you get? And, how big are the glasses she wears? I've discovered that most seem to be not made for aviator-style/size frames.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 07:14 PM (eJWvx)
What did you get? And, how big are the glasses she wears? I've discovered that most seem to be not made for aviator-style/size frames.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:42 PM (sSx7k)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:42 PM (f0/sc)
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at December 17, 2023 07:43 PM (Wnv9h)
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Hrothgar has a problem, because he bought a Vortex LPVO to put on that AR, but it is set up so nicely now that he's got some extra glass. I am sure the folks here can make some suggestions to resolve his problem.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM (IFNME)
Thanks blaster...
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM (IFNME)
Thanks blaster...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 17, 2023 07:43 PM (hOUT3)
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"As it is illegal for me to have ammo delivered to my home, and The Peoples Republic of New York State has decreed I have to go through a back ground check to purchase ammo, I think I will be taking a trip to PA and load up on some rifle and maybe even pistol ammo. Thanks Dictator Hochul.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM"
Same. I haven't bought a single round in NY since that started. Beat to go right across the line to PA, since you can't buy in CT or NJ.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM"
Same. I haven't bought a single round in NY since that started. Beat to go right across the line to PA, since you can't buy in CT or NJ.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 17, 2023 07:43 PM (/Mfdi)
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But Jr and DILIT better hustle. They may not let me teach grandkids to shoot, at The Home.
Posted by: RI Red
heh, waiting for granddaughter to visit from N.Z. next time.
She'll ride quads, and be taken out for some 22lr fun too. (as long as her mother visits S.F. as she said she wanted too.)
Posted by: RI Red
heh, waiting for granddaughter to visit from N.Z. next time.
She'll ride quads, and be taken out for some 22lr fun too. (as long as her mother visits S.F. as she said she wanted too.)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (TkA04)
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One of my favorite bolt rifles to shoot is the Carcano M38 Carbine.
Careful, or you'll blow someone's brains out!
Careful, or you'll blow someone's brains out!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (GIBR7)
101
The latest Glock, the Model 49, is a G17 upper with a G19 grip.
From about 1989 to the mid-'90s, a very popular mod among armed professionals was to have the grip of a G17 cut down to G19 size.
Now the Model 49 is being touted by Glock fanbois as "the greatest Glock ever"!
Fun fact: The Glock 17 was not named for its magazine capacity, but rather for the 17th patent that Glock recieved.
From about 1989 to the mid-'90s, a very popular mod among armed professionals was to have the grip of a G17 cut down to G19 size.
Now the Model 49 is being touted by Glock fanbois as "the greatest Glock ever"!
Fun fact: The Glock 17 was not named for its magazine capacity, but rather for the 17th patent that Glock recieved.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (a3Q+t)
102
If you dare, check out the Sig "Build your own P365" store.
https://www.sigsauer.com/customworks/p365
You can build a P365 with a Robin Egg Blue grip, "L-length" stainless slide, and gold trim.
I think I'm in love.
https://www.sigsauer.com/customworks/p365
You can build a P365 with a Robin Egg Blue grip, "L-length" stainless slide, and gold trim.
I think I'm in love.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (g4+u8)
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but then again some feel that the stock was ill designed in the first place to allow it.
Posted by: whig'
That would be me. Also I have a Zastava M70 Sporter 8mm from the 1960s with a very well-designed stock and double triggers for when I go hunting.
I just, really, feel the USA did a very poor job with the bolt gun altogether. It's my personal opinion. The Krag, which turned out to be a terrific... civilian deer rifle in carbine form; the Springfield, a Mauser knockoff so obvious it's impossible to respect; the Enfield which is okay and hugely strong but was never meant to be an issue rifle. The USA didn't get it 'right' until the M1 Garand.
Posted by: whig'
That would be me. Also I have a Zastava M70 Sporter 8mm from the 1960s with a very well-designed stock and double triggers for when I go hunting.
I just, really, feel the USA did a very poor job with the bolt gun altogether. It's my personal opinion. The Krag, which turned out to be a terrific... civilian deer rifle in carbine form; the Springfield, a Mauser knockoff so obvious it's impossible to respect; the Enfield which is okay and hugely strong but was never meant to be an issue rifle. The USA didn't get it 'right' until the M1 Garand.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:45 PM (/BBNv)
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Hrothgar has a problem, because he bought a Vortex LPVO to put on that AR, but it is set up so nicely now that he's got some extra glass. I am sure the folks here can make some suggestions to resolve his problem.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM
Yeah...inexperienced buddy of mine put an LPVO on his 7.62 Savage 110. I need to help him with this.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:39 PM
Yeah...inexperienced buddy of mine put an LPVO on his 7.62 Savage 110. I need to help him with this.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:46 PM (Wnv9h)
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The USA bolt guns, eh. Copies and worse. The German k98k is about the right business and nobody did any better.
Posted by: LenNeal
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Springfields and the Mauser derived P14's and 1917 rifles are usually more accurate than then even German made Mausers. Main problem with Mausers is that quality varies a bit more widely than Springfields as it was made more places and by more factories. So an Oberndorf Mauser might be fine (Oberndorf did not apparently use slave labor at their plant during WWII) but a bnz war time mauser might be quite bad not to mention that Steyr employed slave workers during WWII that sometimes sabotaged their rifles. Even though Steyr itself was and is a basically excellent factory for firearms.
Springfields do have their problems namely the bolt design using a separate striker and firing pin and takedown but not in accuracy nor in basic design.
Posted by: LenNeal
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Springfields and the Mauser derived P14's and 1917 rifles are usually more accurate than then even German made Mausers. Main problem with Mausers is that quality varies a bit more widely than Springfields as it was made more places and by more factories. So an Oberndorf Mauser might be fine (Oberndorf did not apparently use slave labor at their plant during WWII) but a bnz war time mauser might be quite bad not to mention that Steyr employed slave workers during WWII that sometimes sabotaged their rifles. Even though Steyr itself was and is a basically excellent factory for firearms.
Springfields do have their problems namely the bolt design using a separate striker and firing pin and takedown but not in accuracy nor in basic design.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:46 PM (JAi95)
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I have a pre-1958 Red Ryder that still works.
(lurker)
(lurker)
Posted by: texanadian at December 17, 2023 07:47 PM (nxj5x)
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"As it is illegal for me to have ammo delivered to my home, and The Peoples Republic of New York State has decreed I have to go through a back ground check to purchase ammo, I think I will be taking a trip to PA and load up on some rifle and maybe even pistol ammo. Thanks Dictator Hochul.
Posted by: Scuba Dude
God Bless the Free State of Texas.
Guns, ammo, primers & powder delivered to my front door.
(I know black powder guns aren't considered guns, but I damn sure don't want to be shot by it)
Posted by: Scuba Dude
God Bless the Free State of Texas.
Guns, ammo, primers & powder delivered to my front door.
(I know black powder guns aren't considered guns, but I damn sure don't want to be shot by it)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM (GIBR7)
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93 New Hampster is really close in my case.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:42 PM
When I was there in June I left with more than I came with. ;-)
If I was not pressed for time I would have stopped at Sig Pro Shop in Exeter and picked up even more. Maybe next time.
Hmmm, think I will do an inventory of what I have.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:42 PM
When I was there in June I left with more than I came with. ;-)
If I was not pressed for time I would have stopped at Sig Pro Shop in Exeter and picked up even more. Maybe next time.
Hmmm, think I will do an inventory of what I have.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM (f0/sc)
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God Bless the Free State of Texas.
Guns, ammo, primers & powder delivered to my front door.
(I know black powder guns aren't considered guns, but I damn sure don't want to be shot by it)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM
*sigh*
Guns, ammo, primers & powder delivered to my front door.
(I know black powder guns aren't considered guns, but I damn sure don't want to be shot by it)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM
*sigh*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM (Wnv9h)
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Just looked them up. Harbor Freight has no BB guns. Tractor Supply has lots including some $500 ones, but no Daisy Red Ryders. Rural King has only some Airsofts.
Walmart has Daisy Red Ryders for $34.83.
Walmart has Daisy Red Ryders for $34.83.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:49 PM (IFNME)
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Never had a BB gun. Went straight to pellet when I was a kid. Still have my Crossman CO2 powered pellet rifle. 54 years old now. Unfortunately it has a leak or just won’t set the cartridge correctly any more.
Posted by: Drive by at December 17, 2023 07:49 PM (MNhXM)
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Do the 4473, he does his part, hits send... and says, "You must know somebody, it came right back immediately". Then asks if I have a TS clearance.
"Maybe..." or maybe not.
Guess the guys running the 4473 are trying to figure out disparity in processing times.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM
Thanks for not mentioning me.
"Maybe..." or maybe not.
Guess the guys running the 4473 are trying to figure out disparity in processing times.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM
Thanks for not mentioning me.
Posted by: Hunter B. at December 17, 2023 07:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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I still have a single shot air pistol to shoot around the yard,
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2023 07:50 PM (fwDg9)
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Carcano M38. You will encounter some of these with SA markings, Finnish Army. Given to the Finns during the continuation war, they came to this country through a large Interarms purchase in the 60s, which included hand me downs from all nations, captured Soviet stuff, and even some 95 Winchesters.You would have thought a handy short rifle like the M38 would have been popular with the mobile Finn troops,but it wasn't. Fixed battle sight and problems with ammo supply and quality.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:50 PM (0EOe9)
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Douglas MacArthur dictating that the rifle could not be in the as designed new .276 cartridge but must be redesigned to handle the portlier 30-06 cartridge because the US Army had vast amounts of it in storage dating back to WWI.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:26 PM (JAi95)
If I remember right, over half a billion .30-06 rounds.
Half a Billion, With a "B". All paid for too.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:26 PM (JAi95)
If I remember right, over half a billion .30-06 rounds.
Half a Billion, With a "B". All paid for too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 07:51 PM (R/m4+)
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buy a couple or three new ones to keep in the box to give to my future grandkids.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM (/7Sa4)
An absolutely outstanding idea, Nurse!
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 17, 2023 07:34 PM (/7Sa4)
An absolutely outstanding idea, Nurse!
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:52 PM (sSx7k)
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I got a Daisy RR when I was about seven. There must have been some 'interesting' discussions between mom and dad since she was horrified at the idea of any weapon. (No idea why, she just was.) I set up a cardboard box backstop which worked very well. No broken windows or other damage. We used the empty BB tubes as targets. Damn, that was fun.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 07:52 PM (7EjX1)
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God Bless the Free State of Texas.
Guns, ammo, primers & powder delivered to my front door.
(I know black powder guns aren't considered guns, but I damn sure don't want to be shot by it)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM
*sigh*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM
Get a concealed-carry license, and you can be in and out of a gub store in less than 30 minutes.
Texas -- gubs, BBQ, and Texas wimmen. As close to heaven as you can get in this vale of tears.
Guns, ammo, primers & powder delivered to my front door.
(I know black powder guns aren't considered guns, but I damn sure don't want to be shot by it)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM
*sigh*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:48 PM
Get a concealed-carry license, and you can be in and out of a gub store in less than 30 minutes.
Texas -- gubs, BBQ, and Texas wimmen. As close to heaven as you can get in this vale of tears.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)
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The latest Glock, the Model 49, is a G17 upper with a G19 grip.
From about 1989 to the mid-'90s, a very popular mod among armed professionals was to have the grip of a G17 cut down to G19 size.
Now the Model 49 is being touted by Glock fanbois as "the greatest Glock ever"!
Fun fact: The Glock 17 was not named for its magazine capacity, but rather for the 17th patent that Glock recieved.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (a3Q+t)
Didn’t the SEALs just switch to the Glock 19 as the official pistol?
From about 1989 to the mid-'90s, a very popular mod among armed professionals was to have the grip of a G17 cut down to G19 size.
Now the Model 49 is being touted by Glock fanbois as "the greatest Glock ever"!
Fun fact: The Glock 17 was not named for its magazine capacity, but rather for the 17th patent that Glock recieved.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (a3Q+t)
Didn’t the SEALs just switch to the Glock 19 as the official pistol?
Posted by: Drive by at December 17, 2023 07:52 PM (MNhXM)
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The Yugo M48 is mostly limited by issue sights. There are a couple of outfits that sell rather nice non-permanent back sight peep arrangements; also it is that not-popular intermediate action so it's hard to get scope mounts for it even if you were so inclined.
The Zastava M70 bolt Sporter is actually a full-length vz24 action spruced up, and a very well made action it is. But the radius on the action is not the same as other Mausers so it's hard to get scope mounts for it outside of ex-Yugo.
The barrels on both the M48 and the M70 are very well made. But due to oddities of manufacture are rarely wrung out to their full potential.
The Zastava M70 bolt Sporter is actually a full-length vz24 action spruced up, and a very well made action it is. But the radius on the action is not the same as other Mausers so it's hard to get scope mounts for it outside of ex-Yugo.
The barrels on both the M48 and the M70 are very well made. But due to oddities of manufacture are rarely wrung out to their full potential.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:54 PM (/BBNv)
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I bought my current Red Ryder at a Harbor Freight store. It was at least 5 years ago. They did sell them but I have not seen them recently.
Posted by: fd at December 17, 2023 07:54 PM (vFG9F)
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Didn’t the SEALs just switch to the Glock 19 as the official pistol?
Posted by: Drive by
years ago
Didn’t the SEALs just switch to the Glock 19 as the official pistol?
Posted by: Drive by
years ago
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 07:55 PM (RjBju)
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the one where you drop the BB down into the front of the tube.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM (/BBNv)
A muzzle-loading BB gun! I think I do remember those. IIRC you could cock the gun before loading the BB... a dubious safety situation if you were with "friends".
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM (/BBNv)
A muzzle-loading BB gun! I think I do remember those. IIRC you could cock the gun before loading the BB... a dubious safety situation if you were with "friends".
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:55 PM (sSx7k)
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I let my CHCL (carry permit) lapse after Arkansas and any state I might have business in went Constitutional Carry. My NICS check on a 4473 always comes back in under a minute and sometimes amazes the guys at the shop. No particular reason, maybe uncommon last name, who knows?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:55 PM (0EOe9)
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Yeah...inexperienced buddy of mine put an LPVO on his 7.62 Savage 110. I need to help him with this.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:46 PM (Wnv9h)
Savage 110 is their Scout, isn't it? That needs a long eye relief scope. And then your friend will have some extra glass with that LPVO. So you'll have to help him fix THAT problem.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:46 PM (Wnv9h)
Savage 110 is their Scout, isn't it? That needs a long eye relief scope. And then your friend will have some extra glass with that LPVO. So you'll have to help him fix THAT problem.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:56 PM (IFNME)
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I just, really, feel the USA did a very poor job with the bolt gun altogether.
Posted by: LenNeal
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The P14 Enfield was a Brit armory take on the basic Mauser design taken from the pre War P13 project to replace the SMLE. It was purpose built around a new 7mm cartridge that turned out similar to later 7mm magnum in both pressure and tendency to eat barrels. It was a very minor change to make the P14 in .303 into firing the 30-06 because the Brits had designed it for longer rimless cartridges in the first place. Most of the P14 problems in production dealt with the changing the magazine design to fit and feed rimmed cartridges when the Brit 7mm project ran into WWI difficulties.
There is actually a fair amount of Krag genetics in the Springfield as the separate firing pin-striker design came from the Krag as did the sights and those specifically were American and British not German in origin (see the Trapdoor Buffington sights way back in the 1880's). The bolt release is vastly different for the 1903 as is using it also for a magazine shut off which has no influence from Germans whatsoever. So we are left with the major influence to be the twin locking lug design.
Posted by: LenNeal
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The P14 Enfield was a Brit armory take on the basic Mauser design taken from the pre War P13 project to replace the SMLE. It was purpose built around a new 7mm cartridge that turned out similar to later 7mm magnum in both pressure and tendency to eat barrels. It was a very minor change to make the P14 in .303 into firing the 30-06 because the Brits had designed it for longer rimless cartridges in the first place. Most of the P14 problems in production dealt with the changing the magazine design to fit and feed rimmed cartridges when the Brit 7mm project ran into WWI difficulties.
There is actually a fair amount of Krag genetics in the Springfield as the separate firing pin-striker design came from the Krag as did the sights and those specifically were American and British not German in origin (see the Trapdoor Buffington sights way back in the 1880's). The bolt release is vastly different for the 1903 as is using it also for a magazine shut off which has no influence from Germans whatsoever. So we are left with the major influence to be the twin locking lug design.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 07:56 PM (JAi95)
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I love my Red Ryder! Bought it last year.
The squirrels invading my yard hate my Red Ryder. It doesn't have the power to hurt them but it clearly stings a bit. L'il bastards sure do hop when you hit 'em!
The squirrels invading my yard hate my Red Ryder. It doesn't have the power to hurt them but it clearly stings a bit. L'il bastards sure do hop when you hit 'em!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2023 07:57 PM (W/lyH)
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Didn’t the SEALs just switch to the Glock 19 as the official pistol?
Posted by: Drive by
years ago
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 07:55 PM (RjBju)
You’re right . Around 2018. Time flies . Seems like I just read about it .
Posted by: Drive by
years ago
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 07:55 PM (RjBju)
You’re right . Around 2018. Time flies . Seems like I just read about it .
Posted by: Drive by at December 17, 2023 07:58 PM (MNhXM)
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Savage 110 is their Scout, isn't it? That needs a long eye relief scope. And then your friend will have some extra glass with that LPVO. So you'll have to help him fix THAT problem.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:56 PM
Yeah...shooting noob. I have work to do. But he has promise. It's just a matter of experience.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 07:56 PM
Yeah...shooting noob. I have work to do. But he has promise. It's just a matter of experience.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:58 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 07:59 PM (RjBju)
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Another oddity of hunting rifles in Southern/Eastern Europe/etc is that the majority of hunts are driven; and even with a guide individually any shot over 100 meters away is so unusual it's talked about as a fluke. The vast majority of shots are about 50 meters (yards, about).
So all that potential with optics and stocks and 300-year accuracy? Nobody cares about it at all as it will never be used. The only guys who give a shit about distance shooting are the military, and if YOU, Igor/Joe Blow, express an interest in shooting long-distance, it sets off warning bells that you might have some idea other than hunting.
So all that potential with optics and stocks and 300-year accuracy? Nobody cares about it at all as it will never be used. The only guys who give a shit about distance shooting are the military, and if YOU, Igor/Joe Blow, express an interest in shooting long-distance, it sets off warning bells that you might have some idea other than hunting.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:59 PM (/BBNv)
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A muzzle-loading BB gun! I think I do remember those. IIRC you could cock the gun before loading the BB... a dubious safety situation if you were with "friends".
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:55 PM (sSx7k)
It's the competition Red Ryder. A little pricey
A muzzle-loading BB gun! I think I do remember those. IIRC you could cock the gun before loading the BB... a dubious safety situation if you were with "friends".
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 07:55 PM (sSx7k)
It's the competition Red Ryder. A little pricey
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 17, 2023 07:59 PM (WF/xn)
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I love my Red Ryder! Bought it last year.
The squirrels invading my yard hate my Red Ryder. It doesn't have the power to hurt them but it clearly stings a bit. L'il bastards sure do hop when you hit 'em!
Posted by: Diogenes
The ground squirrels dig big hole and camp on top as they eat the bird blocks. 22lr got one today. Another one was too skittish to let me get a shot; but, I'll wait a bit and get it too.
The squirrels invading my yard hate my Red Ryder. It doesn't have the power to hurt them but it clearly stings a bit. L'il bastards sure do hop when you hit 'em!
Posted by: Diogenes
The ground squirrels dig big hole and camp on top as they eat the bird blocks. 22lr got one today. Another one was too skittish to let me get a shot; but, I'll wait a bit and get it too.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 07:59 PM (TkA04)
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You can build a P365 with a Robin Egg Blue grip, "L-length" stainless slide, and gold trim.
I think I'm in love.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (g4+u
Do you know Garret?
I think I'm in love.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (g4+u
Do you know Garret?
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:00 PM (sSx7k)
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119 The latest Glock, the Model 49, is a G17 upper with a G19 grip.
From about 1989 to the mid-'90s, a very popular mod among armed professionals was to have the grip of a G17 cut down to G19 size.
Now the Model 49 is being touted by Glock fanbois as "the greatest Glock ever"!
Fun fact: The Glock 17 was not named for its magazine capacity, but rather for the 17th patent that Glock recieved.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (a3Q+t)
Didn’t the SEALs just switch to the Glock 19 as the official pistol?
Posted by: Drive by at December 17, 2023 07:52 PM
I have a G17 slide on a cut-down G17 frame (G19 size), for all practical purposes a G49. and I've had it over 5 years. My FrankenGlock.
From about 1989 to the mid-'90s, a very popular mod among armed professionals was to have the grip of a G17 cut down to G19 size.
Now the Model 49 is being touted by Glock fanbois as "the greatest Glock ever"!
Fun fact: The Glock 17 was not named for its magazine capacity, but rather for the 17th patent that Glock recieved.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:44 PM (a3Q+t)
Didn’t the SEALs just switch to the Glock 19 as the official pistol?
Posted by: Drive by at December 17, 2023 07:52 PM
I have a G17 slide on a cut-down G17 frame (G19 size), for all practical purposes a G49. and I've had it over 5 years. My FrankenGlock.
Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2023 08:00 PM (NxC5+)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (yRXSd)
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GWB, Champion OverSpec, “Fits standard glasses”.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (eJWvx)
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Netflix put a trailer for movie at the top, as it does. I saw Orlando Bloom and I said "Oh look its Dominic West".
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (lhenN)
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It's the competition Red Ryder. A little pricey
Posted by: Hatari somewhere'
They are now, The Kid's was a gift and it is exceptionally accurate! It's crazy.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere'
They are now, The Kid's was a gift and it is exceptionally accurate! It's crazy.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (/BBNv)
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The barrels on both the M48 and the M70 are very well made. But due to oddities of manufacture are rarely wrung out to their full potential.
Posted by: LenNeal
The action itself it rougher than even the 24/47 progenitor of the m48. It is undoubtedly one of the stronger Mausers ever made but its fit and finish along with bolt smoothness of the military version leaves a lot to be desired compared with similar Czech or German wartime makes.
You can polish it into a diamond via various tactics like polishing the receiver raceways and bolt lugs but it is a harder go than Mauser made by others. The open sights are pretty much bog Mauser stds and useful for people with good eyes and field experience using them.
The sporting Yugo Mauser rifles imported to the US demonstrate a much greater fit and finish as to be expected.
Posted by: LenNeal
The action itself it rougher than even the 24/47 progenitor of the m48. It is undoubtedly one of the stronger Mausers ever made but its fit and finish along with bolt smoothness of the military version leaves a lot to be desired compared with similar Czech or German wartime makes.
You can polish it into a diamond via various tactics like polishing the receiver raceways and bolt lugs but it is a harder go than Mauser made by others. The open sights are pretty much bog Mauser stds and useful for people with good eyes and field experience using them.
The sporting Yugo Mauser rifles imported to the US demonstrate a much greater fit and finish as to be expected.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (JAi95)
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I let my CHCL (carry permit) lapse after Arkansas and any state I might have business in went Constitutional Carry. My NICS check on a 4473 always comes back in under a minute and sometimes amazes the guys at the shop. No particular reason, maybe uncommon last name, who knows?
Posted by: bill in arkansas
Nice thing about a Texas CHL? No background check. Still fill out the 4473 and done.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
Nice thing about a Texas CHL? No background check. Still fill out the 4473 and done.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (GIBR7)
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What makes one scratch their head is why Imperial Germany, after adopting the 98a for sturmtruppen and other units, didn't just dedicate all production to that model. Very handy rifle, popular with the troops, and raw material savings in production would have mounted up.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (0EOe9)
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The ground squirrels dig big hole and camp on top as they eat the bird blocks. 22lr got one today. Another one was too skittish to let me get a shot; but, I'll wait a bit and get it too.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 07:59 PM (TkA04)
Sadly my neighbors are too close to upgun.
Bummer.
Hate the tree rats.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 07:59 PM (TkA04)
Sadly my neighbors are too close to upgun.
Bummer.
Hate the tree rats.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (W/lyH)
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I was probably six years old when I got my Daisy BB gun. It was a Red Ryder or a variant. Wasn't too long before I had a youth .410 for squirrels and rabbits, then a 10/22.
Posted by: PabloD at December 17, 2023 08:02 PM (fuKa8)
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Worst bolt rifle to shoot is my Arisaka Type 99. Feels too light for the Jap 7.7, similar to the .30-06, and you feel every shot like the rifle wants to wrestle with you and the stock is just barely hanging in there. Even the Soviet M44 Carbine at least has a robust stock to help with the fireball blast and recoil.
Plenty accurate and shorter that the Type 38, but a bear to shoot, while the Type 38 is a pure pleasure and accurate with zero recoil from the Jap 6.5.
Plenty accurate and shorter that the Type 38, but a bear to shoot, while the Type 38 is a pure pleasure and accurate with zero recoil from the Jap 6.5.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 08:04 PM (R/m4+)
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Nice thing about a Texas CHL? No background check. Still fill out the 4473 and done.
Posted by: rickb223
CC in AZ is much harder; copy of DD214 set of finger prints and 60 bucks to the Sherriff.
Of course you can just carry open or concealed legally too.
Posted by: rickb223
CC in AZ is much harder; copy of DD214 set of finger prints and 60 bucks to the Sherriff.
Of course you can just carry open or concealed legally too.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 08:04 PM (TkA04)
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I did not have a Red Ryder growing up. I had a Daisy Model 1894 BB gun, still one of the most accurate things I've ever handled. I would shoot cottontails in the eye; my grandmother fried them for us because Mom was squeamish about them. I now have a Red Ryder. Good, but not as precise.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 17, 2023 08:04 PM (4zxRq)
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It's difficult to kilt a skittish squirrel.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 08:05 PM (2yu8s)
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If I remember right, over half a billion .30-06 rounds.
Half a Billion, With a "B". All paid for too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
WWI was not a proud effort by ammo manufacturers in the US. They churned out product but far too much of it was shoddy. US Ordnance was also criminally stupid in that it left vast stocks of WWI era 1917 rifles in horrible storage conditions so much so that when we needed rifles desperately again in WWII, the US had to get outside makers to produce barrels to replace those rusted and corroded from poor storage. Receivers also had to be sandblasted and fixed which is where you get WWII era gray parkerizing rather than the original WWI finish of bluing or black parkerizing. Fortunately both High Standard and Johnson Automatics made excellent barrels.
Half a Billion, With a "B". All paid for too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
WWI was not a proud effort by ammo manufacturers in the US. They churned out product but far too much of it was shoddy. US Ordnance was also criminally stupid in that it left vast stocks of WWI era 1917 rifles in horrible storage conditions so much so that when we needed rifles desperately again in WWII, the US had to get outside makers to produce barrels to replace those rusted and corroded from poor storage. Receivers also had to be sandblasted and fixed which is where you get WWII era gray parkerizing rather than the original WWI finish of bluing or black parkerizing. Fortunately both High Standard and Johnson Automatics made excellent barrels.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:06 PM (JAi95)
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Dinner. BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:06 PM (eJWvx)
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On the .308 path, sra blaster has expressed an interest in shooting WAY out. The Patrol is a carbine with a 16.25 inch barrel.
At dinner, we kind of have her talked into a M1A1 full size with 22 in barrel.
I am not arguing.
At dinner, we kind of have her talked into a M1A1 full size with 22 in barrel.
I am not arguing.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 08:06 PM (IFNME)
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I bought a Sig P320 with a 5" barrel, and eventually got a large grip just so the rail would go the entire length.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 17, 2023 08:06 PM (lhenN)
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:07 PM (RjBju)
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Shadow Systems has their M920L, a 17-length slide on a 19-size frame, also predating the G49.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 08:07 PM (a3Q+t)
155
My son just proposed to his girlfriend and she said yes! Now I have a DILIT too! BRB while I go see if I can shoot off a firework in this wind.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:07 PM (sSx7k)
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They are now, The Kid's was a gift and it is exceptionally accurate! It's crazy.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (/BBNv)
Yes, they are cool looking lil things
They are now, The Kid's was a gift and it is exceptionally accurate! It's crazy.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (/BBNv)
Yes, they are cool looking lil things
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 17, 2023 08:07 PM (WF/xn)
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146 Surprisingly, Pennsylvania, being a back east, up north, getting to be Dem controlled state, is very easy when it comes to CCW issuance. Fill out the paper, get printed and photographed, give the Sheriff (Police Chief in Philly) $25 and in nearly all counties you will have it in 10 days.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:09 PM (0EOe9)
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145 Worst bolt rifle to shoot is my Arisaka Type 99. Feels too light for the Jap 7.7, similar to the .30-06, and you feel every shot like the rifle wants to wrestle with you and the stock is just barely hanging in there. Even the Soviet M44 Carbine at least has a robust stock to help with the fireball blast and recoil.
Plenty accurate and shorter that the Type 38, but a bear to shoot, while the Type 38 is a pure pleasure and accurate with zero recoil from the Jap 6.5.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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I found it about the same as firing Lee Enfields and the 7.7 Arisaka is about the same ballistically. Bit curious about the difference in experience between yours and mine. Mine is a 1942 Model with all the junk (aircraft sights, chromed bore, and the ridiculous foldout bipod). Wondering if the stock wt was different as the Japanese went through a lot of steps making the rifles progressively easier in material and fitting to make.
Plenty accurate and shorter that the Type 38, but a bear to shoot, while the Type 38 is a pure pleasure and accurate with zero recoil from the Jap 6.5.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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I found it about the same as firing Lee Enfields and the 7.7 Arisaka is about the same ballistically. Bit curious about the difference in experience between yours and mine. Mine is a 1942 Model with all the junk (aircraft sights, chromed bore, and the ridiculous foldout bipod). Wondering if the stock wt was different as the Japanese went through a lot of steps making the rifles progressively easier in material and fitting to make.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:09 PM (JAi95)
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Glocks are awesome! My Glock 26 is the ultimate snubbie, or close. I put on custom sights (Trijicon) and 50 yards is reasonable for it. It can do OK at 100. Glocks are awesome! In fact, except for my big bore revolvers and 1911s, all my handguns are Glocks. (Not counting my other guns, of course, but I assume you all know that.)
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 17, 2023 08:09 PM (4zxRq)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 08:10 PM (2yu8s)
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My son just proposed to his girlfriend and she said yes! Now I have a DILIT too! BRB while I go see if I can shoot off a firework in this wind.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:07 PM
Congrats to the young couple!
And may their first child, be a masculine child.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:07 PM
Congrats to the young couple!
And may their first child, be a masculine child.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 08:10 PM (Wnv9h)
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The sporting Yugo Mauser rifles imported to the US demonstrate a much greater fit and finish as to be expected.
Posted by: whig'
I have both. The M70 sporting came in, in some shipment from a hunting club going broke and I scored a brand-new rifle that had sat in a rack for 20+ years for USD$400. The M48 is crude with a capital 'K' and it was mostly designed that way. I'm fine with that, I like mine, it's pretty well worn in with years of graphite and stock polishing by conscripts. I showed photos of it There to JNA people and everyone agrees it got polished and cleaned up a lot. My specific M48 is very well fitted in, has the original machined parts with no stampings, and is a delight to shoot.
Posted by: whig'
I have both. The M70 sporting came in, in some shipment from a hunting club going broke and I scored a brand-new rifle that had sat in a rack for 20+ years for USD$400. The M48 is crude with a capital 'K' and it was mostly designed that way. I'm fine with that, I like mine, it's pretty well worn in with years of graphite and stock polishing by conscripts. I showed photos of it There to JNA people and everyone agrees it got polished and cleaned up a lot. My specific M48 is very well fitted in, has the original machined parts with no stampings, and is a delight to shoot.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:10 PM (/BBNv)
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159 Glocks are awesome! My Glock 26 is the ultimate snubbie, or close. I put on custom sights (Trijicon) and 50 yards is reasonable for it. It can do OK at 100. Glocks are awesome! In fact, except for my big bore revolvers and 1911s, all my handguns are Glocks. (Not counting my other guns, of course, but I assume you all know that.)
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 17, 2023 08:09 PM (4zxRq)
weasel has links up there for you
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 17, 2023 08:09 PM (4zxRq)
weasel has links up there for you
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 08:11 PM (IFNME)
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Congrats GWB!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2023 08:11 PM (W/lyH)
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155 ... "My son just proposed to his girlfriend and she said yes! Now I have a DILIT too! BRB while I go see if I can shoot off a firework in this wind."
GWB, Congrats to the young people. How does she feel about firearms?
GWB, Congrats to the young people. How does she feel about firearms?
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:11 PM (7EjX1)
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. "My son just proposed to his girlfriend and she said yes! Now I have a DILIT too! BRB while I go see if I can shoot off a firework in this wind."
GWB, Congrats to the young people. How does she feel about firearms?
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:11 PM (7EjX1)
A better question: 9mm or .45?
GWB, Congrats to the young people. How does she feel about firearms?
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:11 PM (7EjX1)
A better question: 9mm or .45?
Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2023 08:13 PM (W/lyH)
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My son just proposed to his girlfriend and she said yes! Now I have a DILIT too! BRB while I go see if I can shoot off a firework in this wind.
Posted by: GWB
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Blessings to you and your family and a joyous time to propose.
Posted by: GWB
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Blessings to you and your family and a joyous time to propose.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:13 PM (JAi95)
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 17, 2023 08:14 PM (4zxRq)
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Wondering if the stock wt was different as the Japanese went through a lot of steps making the rifles progressively easier in material and fitting to make.
Posted by: whig'
I had a 'last-ditch' with the milling marks all over the parts and a wood butt plate. I found it a nice and pleasant shooter with I want to say PPU? 7.7mm ammo?
Posted by: whig'
I had a 'last-ditch' with the milling marks all over the parts and a wood butt plate. I found it a nice and pleasant shooter with I want to say PPU? 7.7mm ammo?
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:14 PM (/BBNv)
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Had a range buddy destroy his rifle with a barrel obstruction last weekend. Apparently he created the obstruction by taking the scope off, but I'm still not sure how.
Just looked over and saw him fiddling with the action, and panned down to the muzzle which was all kinked and flayed, the stock splintered.
I was maybe 4 feet away from him.
Am I lucky to be unhurt?
Just looked over and saw him fiddling with the action, and panned down to the muzzle which was all kinked and flayed, the stock splintered.
I was maybe 4 feet away from him.
Am I lucky to be unhurt?
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at December 17, 2023 08:14 PM (dQfJF)
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:15 PM (/BBNv)
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My son just proposed to his girlfriend and she said yes! Now I have a DILIT too! BRB while I go see if I can shoot off a firework in this wind.
Posted by: GWB
Mazel tov!
Posted by: GWB
Mazel tov!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:15 PM (GIBR7)
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Had a range buddy destroy his rifle with a barrel obstruction last weekend. Apparently he created the obstruction by taking the scope off, but I'm still not sure how.
Just looked over and saw him fiddling with the action, and panned down to the muzzle which was all kinked and flayed, the stock splintered.
I was maybe 4 feet away from him.
Am I lucky to be unhurt?
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis
You are more lucky than him.
Just looked over and saw him fiddling with the action, and panned down to the muzzle which was all kinked and flayed, the stock splintered.
I was maybe 4 feet away from him.
Am I lucky to be unhurt?
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis
You are more lucky than him.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:16 PM (GIBR7)
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ever notice that everybody murdered by a gun in the 70s was murdered by a snub nose 32 or 38? which was usually stolen from the glove box of somebody's caddy?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM (RjBju)
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Am I lucky to be unhurt?
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis
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Example of why you should always wear safety glasses.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis
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Example of why you should always wear safety glasses.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM (JAi95)
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You are more lucky than him.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:16 PM (GIBR7)
Yes the rifle is a total loss. I told him to take it to a gun buy-back.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:16 PM (GIBR7)
Yes the rifle is a total loss. I told him to take it to a gun buy-back.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM (dQfJF)
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A better question: 9mm or .45?
Posted by: Diogenes'
9mm, nobody with a professional interest in shooting guys uses 45s
Posted by: Diogenes'
9mm, nobody with a professional interest in shooting guys uses 45s
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:18 PM (RjBju)
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The only Mauser, at least by that name, I've used is a Swedish Mauser made in 1904. 6.5x55 caliber. That is a remarkable rifle mechanically and for accuracy. For those with experience, how does it compare to the Mauser (K98? ) used by German troops.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:18 PM (7EjX1)
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This coming Saturday Mrs. E and I, along with our local shooting buddy will be logging some range time. The forecast is rain but we're going indoor shooting, limber up some new items.
Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2023 08:18 PM (NxC5+)
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Haha, the one gun nobody liked or likes now is the M57 Tokarev pistol, they all had to shoot it with no ear protection. That had to suck, the PPU ammunition projects a trashcan sized fireball and anyway it's not exactly ergonomic.
Everyone tells me they couldn't hit shit with it.
Everyone tells me they couldn't hit shit with it.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:18 PM (/BBNv)
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Kinda OT, but still gun stuff. Stopped by my neighbor's dad's digs just to BS a little. We were outside by his ATV and another guy showed up. We were talking gun stuff, and the guy shows his carry piece. Guy packs an Uberti Schofield in .38 Special, 3.5" barrel and a speed strip for a reload. Found out the guy is into cowboy action shooting so he probably doesn't feel unarmed. It also dawned on us we had a collective two+ centuries in experience.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:18 PM (0EOe9)
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fwiw, mn just adopted somalias flag as the state flag.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:20 PM (RjBju)
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No go on the launch. Safety cancellation for high winds.
Next launch window is tomorrow evening.
Still happy for my son, though.
Next launch window is tomorrow evening.
Still happy for my son, though.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:20 PM (sSx7k)
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I should mention... as a grade schooler I managed to shoot a black bear, twice, with my Daisy '94 BB gun. The dogs were after him, and I got two clear shots on his hind end.
The Daisy was extremely accurate, but stopping power was not its strong point.
The Daisy was extremely accurate, but stopping power was not its strong point.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 17, 2023 08:20 PM (4zxRq)
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Yes ! Always eye protection ! I have seen it save a lot of people. A
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 17, 2023 08:20 PM (WF/xn)
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My son just proposed to his girlfriend and she said yes! Now I have a DILIT too! BRB while I go see if I can shoot off a firework in this wind.
Posted by: GWB
Congrats to the happy couple and to you and yours as well!
Posted by: GWB
Congrats to the happy couple and to you and yours as well!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 08:20 PM (TkA04)
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The only Mauser, at least by that name, I've used is a Swedish Mauser made in 1904. 6.5x55 caliber. That is a remarkable rifle mechanically and for accuracy. For those with experience, how does it compare to the Mauser (K98? ) used by German troops.
Posted by: JTB'
It doesn't! I had a long Swedish M95 and it was an amazing piece of craftsmanship. I shot it a few times and it was exceptionally accurate. But I would not bother carrying it into, oh, an actual war. It's far too long and clunky and most shots are well under 100 meters. That's what the K98 ended up being.
Posted by: JTB'
It doesn't! I had a long Swedish M95 and it was an amazing piece of craftsmanship. I shot it a few times and it was exceptionally accurate. But I would not bother carrying it into, oh, an actual war. It's far too long and clunky and most shots are well under 100 meters. That's what the K98 ended up being.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:21 PM (/BBNv)
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you can be in and out of a gub store in less than 30 minutes.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)
What, don't they have anything interesting to look at and mull over?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)
What, don't they have anything interesting to look at and mull over?
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:21 PM (sSx7k)
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I managed to shoot a black bear, twice, with my Daisy '94 BB gun. The dogs were after him, and I got two clear shots on his hind end. The Daisy was extremely accurate, but stopping power was not its strong point.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol'
Did it hurt when the bear took it away from you and stuck it up your ass?
Posted by: Durak Kazyol'
Did it hurt when the bear took it away from you and stuck it up your ass?
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:22 PM (/BBNv)
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I grew up with a Crossman Pump. Wore it out and could pretty much hit anything with it
Posted by: Biggest Alfredo at December 17, 2023 08:23 PM (8cPKb)
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GWB. Nice Christmas gift!
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:23 PM (eJWvx)
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You know, as obsessed as I am with skirts, the SEH gal is making a case for pants...
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 17, 2023 08:23 PM (8sMut)
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A couple of additions to blaster's earlier comment upthread. I think the B&T SPR 300 Pro would be a great starter centerfire bolt action rifle for newbies to try. The integral suppressor really dampens the noise and muzzle blast compared to other centerfire rifles, supposedly to the point where hearing protection is not necessary as long as you're using subsonic rounds. Everyone with the DMV MGC got the opportunity to shoot a five shot group at 50 yards once the rifle was zeroed. Everyone shot nice tight groups (1.5" - 2") on the targets. Not bad for first times on a completely unfamiliar rifle system.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:23 PM (yRXSd)
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I'm not gonna lie, out of all the guns I own, the G26 is the hardest one to clean. I can take apart my other guns, no problem. The G26 takes a little more effort.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 17, 2023 08:25 PM (8sMut)
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I managed to shoot a black bear, twice, with my Daisy '94 BB gun. The dogs were after him, and I got two clear shots on his hind end. The Daisy was extremely accurate, but stopping power was not its strong point.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol'
Did it hurt when the bear took it away from you and stuck it up your ass?
Posted by: LenNeal
That's why you always file the front sight off.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol'
Did it hurt when the bear took it away from you and stuck it up your ass?
Posted by: LenNeal
That's why you always file the front sight off.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:25 PM (GIBR7)
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I think the B&T SPR 300 Pro would be a great starter centerfire bolt action rifle for newbies to try. The integral suppressor really dampens the noise and muzzle blast compared to other centerfire rifles, supposedly to the point where hearing protection is not necessary as long as you're using subsonic rounds. Everyone with the DMV MGC got the opportunity to shoot a five shot group at 50 yards once the rifle was zeroed. Everyone shot nice tight groups (1.5" - 2") on the targets. Not bad for first times on a completely unfamiliar rifle system.
Posted by: E
nice gun, but is anybody ever deterred from shooting guns because of the noise?
Posted by: E
nice gun, but is anybody ever deterred from shooting guns because of the noise?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:25 PM (RjBju)
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Wondering if the stock wt was different as the Japanese went through a lot of steps making the rifles progressively easier in material and fitting to make.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:09 PM (JAi95)
It's the short model made in 1942-3 I believe. Stacked cannon balls and serial number in the 90,000s with what looks like a marijuana plant for the series. Mum was ground off but the airplane sights are still there, no cleaning rod however. It takes the short cleaning rod which are like hen's teeth.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:09 PM (JAi95)
It's the short model made in 1942-3 I believe. Stacked cannon balls and serial number in the 90,000s with what looks like a marijuana plant for the series. Mum was ground off but the airplane sights are still there, no cleaning rod however. It takes the short cleaning rod which are like hen's teeth.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 08:25 PM (R/m4+)
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GWB, Champion OverSpec, “Fits standard glasses”.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (eJWvx)
Oof.Most of those I've looked at don't consider aviator-size to be "standard."
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (eJWvx)
Oof.Most of those I've looked at don't consider aviator-size to be "standard."
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:26 PM (sSx7k)
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Same. I haven't bought a single round in NY since that started. Beat to go right across the line to PA, since you can't buy in CT or NJ.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 17, 2023 07:43 PM (/Mfdi)
Does Hochul's Gestapo stake out gun shop parking lots in nearby towns in PA? Might be wise to park at a mall, and take an Uber to the gun shop.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 17, 2023 07:43 PM (/Mfdi)
Does Hochul's Gestapo stake out gun shop parking lots in nearby towns in PA? Might be wise to park at a mall, and take an Uber to the gun shop.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2023 08:26 PM (QFwND)
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187 Back in my teen years, there was a guy you would see at gun shows that collected European bolt action carbines, some so tiny they could be described as cute. I bought a Swede carbine from him, can't remember the barrel length but very short, and it was a lot of fun and very accurate with Norma (all you could get then) ammo. It was a military rifle that was the perfect deer rifle without resorting to the kitchen table and saw(sadly common in those years).
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:27 PM (0EOe9)
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RMBS, I notice that no one commented on your fine pun re subservient Clauses.
Be assured, I appreciated it. But I couldn’t come up with an elf on the shelf response.
Be assured, I appreciated it. But I couldn’t come up with an elf on the shelf response.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:28 PM (eJWvx)
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The most baffling rifle I sort-of wish I had kept but then don't, is the Swiss K31. It was almost TOO neat and elegant. The straight-pull was fast, but also not particularly intuitive, the front sight was drifted diagonally, the back sight wasn't very adjustable.
I got a few boxes of 7.5mm and tried it out and kept fumbling with it. It was made like, well, a Swiss watch but it just did not fit with anything else I'd ever handled and I kept not being able to work the thing.
I kept slapping the bottom of the straight pull handle trying to work the action and finally decided it just wasn't for me, too many years of imprinting with turn bolts to make it work. I guess I just wasn't sophisticated enough for the K31.
I got a few boxes of 7.5mm and tried it out and kept fumbling with it. It was made like, well, a Swiss watch but it just did not fit with anything else I'd ever handled and I kept not being able to work the thing.
I kept slapping the bottom of the straight pull handle trying to work the action and finally decided it just wasn't for me, too many years of imprinting with turn bolts to make it work. I guess I just wasn't sophisticated enough for the K31.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:28 PM (/BBNv)
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the one where you drop the BB down into the front of the tube.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM (/BBNv)
Got a muzzle loader from a grandfather when I was about 5 (~1970).
It was a muzzle loader of about 0.25 cal. Used the paper caps to propel a cork ball. You could douple up (or more) the paper caps to make it more fun.
That guy gave us the coolest toys. Rarely seen him because Granmother divorced his ass and moved a hundred miles away when he was caught boinking the baby sitter.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 07:37 PM (/BBNv)
Got a muzzle loader from a grandfather when I was about 5 (~1970).
It was a muzzle loader of about 0.25 cal. Used the paper caps to propel a cork ball. You could douple up (or more) the paper caps to make it more fun.
That guy gave us the coolest toys. Rarely seen him because Granmother divorced his ass and moved a hundred miles away when he was caught boinking the baby sitter.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 17, 2023 08:28 PM (cOq4q)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:28 PM (GIBR7)
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Does Hochul's Gestapo stake out gun shop parking lots in nearby towns in PA? Might be wise to park at a mall, and take an Uber to the gun shop.
Posted by: Alb
I have no knowledge of that but the most nervous guys I have ever met in retail were ny gun dealers. more nervous than some long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
Posted by: Alb
I have no knowledge of that but the most nervous guys I have ever met in retail were ny gun dealers. more nervous than some long tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:29 PM (RjBju)
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180 Haha, the one gun nobody liked or likes now is the M57 Tokarev pistol, they all had to shoot it with no ear protection. That had to suck, the PPU ammunition projects a trashcan sized fireball and anyway it's not exactly ergonomic.
Everyone tells me they couldn't hit shit with it.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:18 PM
I have a Zastava M70A for last resort zombietimes.
Everyone tells me they couldn't hit shit with it.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:18 PM
I have a Zastava M70A for last resort zombietimes.
Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2023 08:29 PM (NxC5+)
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Nice thing about a Texas CHL? No background check. Still fill out the 4473 and done.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (GIBR7)
This is why I maintain my LTC.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:01 PM (GIBR7)
This is why I maintain my LTC.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 17, 2023 08:29 PM (8sMut)
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:29 PM (RjBju)
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Nice review rhomboid.
Indeed not all dark cigars are strong or intense. When I was in Somalia, an Italian colonel gave me a really nasty looking black cigar. I wish to this day I could remember what it was. It was an excellent smoke!
Indeed not all dark cigars are strong or intense. When I was in Somalia, an Italian colonel gave me a really nasty looking black cigar. I wish to this day I could remember what it was. It was an excellent smoke!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2023 08:30 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM (GIBR7)
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nice gun, but is anybody ever deterred from shooting guns because of the noise?
Posted by: N'
YES. Women especially.
I see 'funny videos' of men handing slight women 12-gauges with no ear protection and am irate. I worked with my daughter for a long time, working up with .22s. Noise sensitivity is a real thing. Not everyone is some Loudness Fanatic.
Posted by: N'
YES. Women especially.
I see 'funny videos' of men handing slight women 12-gauges with no ear protection and am irate. I worked with my daughter for a long time, working up with .22s. Noise sensitivity is a real thing. Not everyone is some Loudness Fanatic.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM (/BBNv)
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Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:25 PM (RjBju)
I've seen newbies turn away from trying snubbie revolvers, shotguns, and serious rifle calibers because they didn't care for the noise, muzzle flash, and/or recoil they produced when fired. Giving a newbie a snub nosed .357 Magnum revolver as their first centerfire handgun to try doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
I've seen newbies turn away from trying snubbie revolvers, shotguns, and serious rifle calibers because they didn't care for the noise, muzzle flash, and/or recoil they produced when fired. Giving a newbie a snub nosed .357 Magnum revolver as their first centerfire handgun to try doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM (yRXSd)
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California stakes out other State gun shops near their borders.
You don't want to be caught as a CA peon buying guns or ammo in another State.
You don't want to be caught as a CA peon buying guns or ammo in another State.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM (TkA04)
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Not gun related, I had to sharpen some knives, I pulled out the wetstones and proceeded to sharpen and I realized I hadn't sharpened knives in quite some time and the results, shall we say, left a lot to be desired.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM (RjBju)
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189 I managed to shoot a black bear, twice, with my Daisy '94 BB gun. The dogs were after him, and I got two clear shots on his hind end. The Daisy was extremely accurate, but stopping power was not its strong point.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol'
Did it hurt when the bear took it away from you and stuck it up your ass?
Posted by: LenNeal
*******
I regretted not having a bayonet. But the dogs handled things for me.
This should be a rite of passage for all sixth graders.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol'
Did it hurt when the bear took it away from you and stuck it up your ass?
Posted by: LenNeal
*******
I regretted not having a bayonet. But the dogs handled things for me.
This should be a rite of passage for all sixth graders.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM (4zxRq)
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187 ... LenNeal,
Thanks for the comparison with the Swedish Mauser and the K98.
Thanks for the comparison with the Swedish Mauser and the K98.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:32 PM (7EjX1)
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I have a Zastava M70A for last resort zombietimes.
Posted by: Eromero'
Ah yes the 9mm, that's a sad gun. Did you at least punch out the magazine safety? I found that wildly unsafe. I also do not care for the slide-mounted safety it's dumb.
Posted by: Eromero'
Ah yes the 9mm, that's a sad gun. Did you at least punch out the magazine safety? I found that wildly unsafe. I also do not care for the slide-mounted safety it's dumb.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:33 PM (/BBNv)
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209 A pack of Parodis, a bottle of Paisano, sitting outside of the Businessmen's Social Club on a Spring day.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:33 PM (0EOe9)
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How does she feel about firearms?
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:11 PM (7EjX1)
She's not afraid of them, but I don't think there's been much shooting. My son is working on it, though. (Neither of us has as much time for shooting as we'd like.)
She thought I was crazy the year I individually hand-wrapped a bunch of .45 ammo and filled his stocking with it. But a good kind of crazy.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:11 PM (7EjX1)
She's not afraid of them, but I don't think there's been much shooting. My son is working on it, though. (Neither of us has as much time for shooting as we'd like.)
She thought I was crazy the year I individually hand-wrapped a bunch of .45 ammo and filled his stocking with it. But a good kind of crazy.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:34 PM (sSx7k)
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I kept slapping the bottom of the straight pull handle trying to work the action and finally decided it just wasn't for me, too many years of imprinting with turn bolts to make it work. I guess I just wasn't sophisticated enough for the K31.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:28 PM (/BBNv)
Lots of those Swiss surplus rifles and carbines are coming into the country right now and at good prices.
I would really like one Swiss and one Swede whatever but just have never seen any in MeatSpace.
Lugers are another species that are really hard to find other than on-line.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:28 PM (/BBNv)
Lots of those Swiss surplus rifles and carbines are coming into the country right now and at good prices.
I would really like one Swiss and one Swede whatever but just have never seen any in MeatSpace.
Lugers are another species that are really hard to find other than on-line.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 08:34 PM (R/m4+)
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A better question: 9mm or .45?
Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2023 08:13 PM (W/lyH)
Betting she will start with 9mm. But she might eventually steal my son's .45.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2023 08:13 PM (W/lyH)
Betting she will start with 9mm. But she might eventually steal my son's .45.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:34 PM (sSx7k)
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I've seen newbies turn away from trying snubbie revolvers, shotguns, and serious rifle calibers because they didn't care for the noise, muzzle flash, and/or recoil they produced when fired. Giving a newbie a snub nosed .357 Magnum revolver as their first centerfire handgun to try doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
Posted by: Ed
I agree with that, no reason to start somebody with something obnoxious, but some standard glock would not be an issue or even an ar. nobody shoots without ear pro anymore but everybody did when I was a kid at the farm.
Posted by: Ed
I agree with that, no reason to start somebody with something obnoxious, but some standard glock would not be an issue or even an ar. nobody shoots without ear pro anymore but everybody did when I was a kid at the farm.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:35 PM (RjBju)
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174 ever notice that everybody murdered by a gun in the 70s was murdered by a snub nose 32 or 38? which was usually stolen from the glove box of somebody's caddy?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM (RjBju)
As I recall, the original Gun Control push, in the early 70s, was a result of (claimed) uncountable urban murders using so-called Saturday Night Specials. Cheap, five-round .32 or .38 Spcl revolvers, often imports. Used by urban thugs in store robberies, muggings, gang battles, you name it.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM (RjBju)
As I recall, the original Gun Control push, in the early 70s, was a result of (claimed) uncountable urban murders using so-called Saturday Night Specials. Cheap, five-round .32 or .38 Spcl revolvers, often imports. Used by urban thugs in store robberies, muggings, gang battles, you name it.
Posted by: Gref at December 17, 2023 08:35 PM (5fDan)
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A pack of Parodis, a bottle of Paisano, sitting outside of the Businessmen's Social Club on a Spring day.
Posted by: bill in arkansas'
I think you mean, The Legitimate Businessmen's Social Club.
Posted by: bill in arkansas'
I think you mean, The Legitimate Businessmen's Social Club.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:35 PM (/BBNv)
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Betting she will start with 9mm. But she might eventually steal my son's .45.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:34 PM (sSx7k)
A good woman!
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:34 PM (sSx7k)
A good woman!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 17, 2023 08:36 PM (W/lyH)
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As I recall, the original Gun Control push, in the early 70s, was a result of (claimed) uncountable urban murders using so-called Saturday Night Specials. Cheap, five-round .32 or .38 Spcl revolvers, often imports. Used by urban thugs in store robberies, muggings, gang battles, you name it.
Posted by: Gre
that is entirely beliveable when you watch shows from then.
I saw a show where a guy was getting cross examined at some murder trial, when they asked where he bought his gun he replied, "the hardware store"
times are a bit different these days.
Posted by: Gre
that is entirely beliveable when you watch shows from then.
I saw a show where a guy was getting cross examined at some murder trial, when they asked where he bought his gun he replied, "the hardware store"
times are a bit different these days.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:37 PM (RjBju)
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221 Midway up in MO has some K31s and 1911 Schmidt Rubins listed at Biden economy prices.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:37 PM (0EOe9)
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RMBS, I notice that no one commented on your fine pun re subservient Clauses.
Be assured, I appreciated it. But I couldn’t come up with an elf on the shelf response.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:28 PM
I was starting to worry about you people.
Be assured, I appreciated it. But I couldn’t come up with an elf on the shelf response.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:28 PM
I was starting to worry about you people.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 08:39 PM (Wnv9h)
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Thank you all for your wishes of good fortune. This is a very, very good thing.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:39 PM (sSx7k)
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Massachusetts Staties used to hang out near NH fireworks stores on the border.
I heard that the local police threatened to arrest them.
I heard that the local police threatened to arrest them.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:39 PM (PweV5)
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nobody shoots without ear pro anymore but everybody did when I was a kid at the farm.
Posted by: N'
At one point (years ago, many miles away) I was completely, totally deaf for three days. I could not even hear buzzing sounds. Totally deaf. It took weeks to get some of it back and even now I won't go to even mild music shows without plugs. Whatever I lose now its permanent. I will not go near a firearm again without hearing protection and don't tolerate taunting from retards about it.
Posted by: N'
At one point (years ago, many miles away) I was completely, totally deaf for three days. I could not even hear buzzing sounds. Totally deaf. It took weeks to get some of it back and even now I won't go to even mild music shows without plugs. Whatever I lose now its permanent. I will not go near a firearm again without hearing protection and don't tolerate taunting from retards about it.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:39 PM (/BBNv)
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225 Si! South Avenue, Youngstown, OH!
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:40 PM (0EOe9)
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ever notice that everybody murdered by a gun in the 70s was murdered by a snub nose 32 or 38? which was usually stolen from the glove box of somebody's caddy?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM (RjBju)
That was part of the "thing" over Saturday Night Specials. Cheap and easy to conceal and that drove the fearful authoritarians absolutely nuts. So every single bad guy had one, it seemed.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM (RjBju)
That was part of the "thing" over Saturday Night Specials. Cheap and easy to conceal and that drove the fearful authoritarians absolutely nuts. So every single bad guy had one, it seemed.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:40 PM (sSx7k)
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California stakes out other State gun shops near their borders.
You don't want to be caught as a CA peon buying guns or ammo in another State.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM
MA tried doing that with fireworks.
Until the NH sheriffs started arresting the MA state troopers for loitering.
You don't want to be caught as a CA peon buying guns or ammo in another State.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM
MA tried doing that with fireworks.
Until the NH sheriffs started arresting the MA state troopers for loitering.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 08:40 PM (Wnv9h)
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ever notice that everybody murdered by a gun in the 70s was murdered by a snub nose 32 or 38? which was usually stolen from the glove box of somebody's caddy?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Leroy Brown at December 17, 2023 08:41 PM (Wnv9h)
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MA tried doing that with fireworks.
Until the NH sheriffs started arresting the MA state troopers for loitering.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
That would take enforced no-loitering laws... nowdays?
Until the NH sheriffs started arresting the MA state troopers for loitering.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
That would take enforced no-loitering laws... nowdays?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 08:41 PM (TkA04)
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when we are hunting, pheasants, nobody wears ear pro but it is different than a range especially indoors
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:42 PM (RjBju)
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I saw a show where a guy was getting cross examined at some murder trial, when they asked where he bought his gun he replied, "the hardware store"
times are a bit different these days.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:37 PM (RjBju)
There is an Ace Hardware along one of the routes I drive in Florida (I am not a trucker, just one of the ways we go on the way to El Rancho Blaster) that has on its marquee "Guns and Ammo"
And then there is Rural King. Which is like Tractor Supply but with guns.
times are a bit different these days.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:37 PM (RjBju)
There is an Ace Hardware along one of the routes I drive in Florida (I am not a trucker, just one of the ways we go on the way to El Rancho Blaster) that has on its marquee "Guns and Ammo"
And then there is Rural King. Which is like Tractor Supply but with guns.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 08:42 PM (IFNME)
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I've taken six or seven people to shoot handguns for the first time. I always start with a 1911 in .45. I tell them it will recoil but it's no big deal. They have no expectations for what it "should" be, and it doesn't hurt so they are fine with it. Typically they later try a 9mm and are pleasantly surprised by the light recoil.
Not always. My wife prefers 1911 in .45 and shoots better with it.
Not always. My wife prefers 1911 in .45 and shoots better with it.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 17, 2023 08:42 PM (4zxRq)
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I would never buy ammo for Morons in tyrannical states.
That would be just wrong.
That would be just wrong.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:43 PM (PweV5)
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nice gun, but is anybody ever deterred from shooting guns because of the noise?
Posted by: N'
YES. Women especially.
I see 'funny videos' of men handing slight women 12-gauges with no ear protection and am irate. I worked with my daughter for a long time, working up with .22s. Noise sensitivity is a real thing. Not everyone is some Loudness Fanatic.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM
*Mrs. VIA has entered the chat*
Posted by: N'
YES. Women especially.
I see 'funny videos' of men handing slight women 12-gauges with no ear protection and am irate. I worked with my daughter for a long time, working up with .22s. Noise sensitivity is a real thing. Not everyone is some Loudness Fanatic.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:31 PM
*Mrs. VIA has entered the chat*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 08:43 PM (Wnv9h)
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is anybody ever deterred from shooting guns because of the noise?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:25 PM (RjBju)
I've known a few people, yes.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:25 PM (RjBju)
I've known a few people, yes.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:43 PM (sSx7k)
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As I recall, the original Gun Control push, in the early 70s, was a result of (claimed) uncountable urban murders using so-called Saturday Night Specials. Cheap, five-round .32 or .38 Spcl revolvers, often imports. Used by urban thugs in store robberies, muggings, gang battles, you name it.
Posted by: Gre'
That shit has been going on forever. New York with their Sullivan Law wasn't originally designed to be limited to NY. I'll look up the well-researched Gun Digest article about that and share it next time, the same suspects have been up to the same shit for ever.
Posted by: Gre'
That shit has been going on forever. New York with their Sullivan Law wasn't originally designed to be limited to NY. I'll look up the well-researched Gun Digest article about that and share it next time, the same suspects have been up to the same shit for ever.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (/BBNv)
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Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:40 PM (sSx7k)
There was an episode of "The Streets of San Francisco" centered around Saturday Night Specials sold by some street hood that were responsible for several murders. It was a very real thing in popular culture at the time.
There was an episode of "The Streets of San Francisco" centered around Saturday Night Specials sold by some street hood that were responsible for several murders. It was a very real thing in popular culture at the time.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (yRXSd)
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I would never buy ammo for Morons in tyrannical states.
That would be just wrong.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:43 PM
It's a good thing my buddy doesn't do that either.
That would be just wrong.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:43 PM
It's a good thing my buddy doesn't do that either.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (Wnv9h)
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there was a columbo show where columbo was asking a guy about his 32 auto and the guy said, "so now you want to jam me over an unregistered gun?" columbo said, "nah, not interested in that just want to know if you know where it is?"
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (RjBju)
Posted by: kactus at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (+VRTS)
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241 I would never buy ammo for Morons in tyrannical states.
That would be just wrong.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:43 PM
Or guns. But I would let them shoot mine if they come to Texas.
That would be just wrong.
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 08:43 PM
Or guns. But I would let them shoot mine if they come to Texas.
Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (NxC5+)
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JTB,
Swedish Mausers in fit and finish are good as the best of German manufacturers. Oberndorf still has the Swedish Building where the first Swedish Mausers were made prior to manufacturing being transferred to Sweden's Gustaf Armory.
The 6.5x55 Swede is one of the best cartridges of all time and many of the top hunting cartridges today are based on the idea of long heavy bullets being pushed at moderate speeds as to maximize penetration and killing power for large game.
Combine the two and you get excellent well made rifles (the 1896 Model is great for the target range, not so fun to carry and if you like practical, the m38 short rifles and m94 carbines are lots of fun.
I like them all and you will often see corroded receivers and bolts, rust, etc. from other makes of Mausers but as Swedish Mausers used Swedish steel, you will see superior resistance to that of Swedish Mausers and even the German made early ones were required to use Swedish steel.
Swedish Mausers in fit and finish are good as the best of German manufacturers. Oberndorf still has the Swedish Building where the first Swedish Mausers were made prior to manufacturing being transferred to Sweden's Gustaf Armory.
The 6.5x55 Swede is one of the best cartridges of all time and many of the top hunting cartridges today are based on the idea of long heavy bullets being pushed at moderate speeds as to maximize penetration and killing power for large game.
Combine the two and you get excellent well made rifles (the 1896 Model is great for the target range, not so fun to carry and if you like practical, the m38 short rifles and m94 carbines are lots of fun.
I like them all and you will often see corroded receivers and bolts, rust, etc. from other makes of Mausers but as Swedish Mausers used Swedish steel, you will see superior resistance to that of Swedish Mausers and even the German made early ones were required to use Swedish steel.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:45 PM (JAi95)
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when we are hunting, pheasants, nobody wears ear pro but it is different than a range especially indoors
Posted by: N
That's how we grew up rabbit and squirrel hunting.
Could be why I'm half deaf.
Posted by: N
That's how we grew up rabbit and squirrel hunting.
Could be why I'm half deaf.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2023 08:45 PM (GIBR7)
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There was an episode of "The Streets of San Francisco" centered around Saturday Night Specials sold by some street hood that were responsible for several murders. It was a very real thing in popular culture at the time.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (yRXSd)
Last time I heard the phrase "Saturday Night Special", it was the 1980s.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (yRXSd)
Last time I heard the phrase "Saturday Night Special", it was the 1980s.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 17, 2023 08:45 PM (8sMut)
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"so now you want to jam me over an unregistered gun?" columbo said, "nah, not interested in that just want to know if you know where it is?"
Posted by: N'
Those stupid TV shows had a lot of influence: I know a lot of people who still believe guns are supposed to be 'registered' yet they have absolutely no idea what that even means.
Posted by: N'
Those stupid TV shows had a lot of influence: I know a lot of people who still believe guns are supposed to be 'registered' yet they have absolutely no idea what that even means.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:46 PM (/BBNv)
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I would never buy ammo for Morons in tyrannical states.
That would be just wrong.
Posted by: RI Red
Yeah, 2000 rounds of .30-30 for a brother-in-law that had tried to buy in online but was refused due to a CA address.
So sad, he had been given the carbine and couldn't get ammo.
That would be just wrong.
Posted by: RI Red
Yeah, 2000 rounds of .30-30 for a brother-in-law that had tried to buy in online but was refused due to a CA address.
So sad, he had been given the carbine and couldn't get ammo.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 17, 2023 08:46 PM (TkA04)
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234 No love for the Raven .25? Actually a pretty good little pistol. I used to get freebies from a distributor when I had my FFL (buy X amount, get a Raven). They had an extended firing pin acting as an ejector that often broke from dry firing, but if somebody was on a super duper tight budget it would defend the night stand or sock drawer. Just don't dry fire it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:46 PM (0EOe9)
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214 ... "I pulled out the wetstones and proceeded to sharpen and I realized I hadn't sharpened knives in quite some time and the results, shall we say, left a lot to be desired."
Keeping the 'feel' for the correct angle takes practice. I should get some angle guides as backup. One for kitchen knives and a shallower, 17 degree one for whittling and woodcarving.
Keeping the 'feel' for the correct angle takes practice. I should get some angle guides as backup. One for kitchen knives and a shallower, 17 degree one for whittling and woodcarving.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:46 PM (7EjX1)
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Does Hochul's Gestapo stake out gun shop parking lots in nearby towns in PA? Might be wise to park at a mall, and take an Uber to the gun shop.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2023 08:26 PM (QFwND)
Wise precaution, AOP, and sad as hell that it's necessary.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2023 08:26 PM (QFwND)
Wise precaution, AOP, and sad as hell that it's necessary.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 17, 2023 08:47 PM (v23vE)
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YES. Women especially.
I see 'funny videos' of men handing slight women 12-gauges with no ear protection and am irate. I worked with my daughter for a long time, working up with .22s. Noise sensitivity is a real thing. Not everyone is some Loudness Fanatic.
that is just a dick move though, they are trying to scare the girl get a funny vid, whatever, nobody that is trying to help somebody get good with or into guns would do such a thing.
I just find it hard to believe that anybody that wants to get into guns and has the ability to do so would be surprised by and or deterred by the noise.
YES. Women especially.
I see 'funny videos' of men handing slight women 12-gauges with no ear protection and am irate. I worked with my daughter for a long time, working up with .22s. Noise sensitivity is a real thing. Not everyone is some Loudness Fanatic.
that is just a dick move though, they are trying to scare the girl get a funny vid, whatever, nobody that is trying to help somebody get good with or into guns would do such a thing.
I just find it hard to believe that anybody that wants to get into guns and has the ability to do so would be surprised by and or deterred by the noise.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:47 PM (RjBju)
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There was an episode of "The Streets of San Francisco" centered around Saturday Night Specials sold by some street hood that were responsible for several murders. It was a very real thing in popular culture at the time.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (yRXSd)
There was even a fairly popular rock song about it, "Mr. Saturday Night Special" was the title, IIRC.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (yRXSd)
There was even a fairly popular rock song about it, "Mr. Saturday Night Special" was the title, IIRC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2023 08:48 PM (Z0xu1)
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Q:
"What happens after Christmas Eve?
Christmas Day."
Al Bundy gets his tree
off the curb!
I think I know,Entire MWC
universe, Santa skydives on Roof,
Clouds are Especially Fluffy,
Gref +Al fight over Olympic Torch,
extinguishes in NewTown Mall
Fountain. IRL, Meghan Markle
was On-Set. Pick up, more details
each year--
Q:
"What happens after Christmas Eve?
Christmas Day."
Al Bundy gets his tree
off the curb!
I think I know,Entire MWC
universe, Santa skydives on Roof,
Clouds are Especially Fluffy,
Gref +Al fight over Olympic Torch,
extinguishes in NewTown Mall
Fountain. IRL, Meghan Markle
was On-Set. Pick up, more details
each year--
Posted by: zigzag at December 17, 2023 08:48 PM (yUkua)
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Oh, Saturday Night Special
Posted by: Skynyrd at December 17, 2023 08:48 PM (+VRTS)
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a snub nose 32 or 38? which was usually stolen from the glove box of somebody's caddy?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Leroy Brown'
Sorry, it's the other one, the bad, bad one.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:17 PM
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Leroy Brown'
Sorry, it's the other one, the bad, bad one.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:48 PM (/BBNv)
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I watched a Christmas Movie I had never seen before. Die Hard.
Takeaways:
-Wear shoes.
-Do what John did: Strip the corpses of all ammo and other needful things. Amazing this happed in a movie.
-If you are really close, the Weaver stance is not needed.
-Have a backup weapon, but maybe not taped to your back. That seems fragile.
-Ignore the plot hole of how the thieves are really planning to get away.
- Be nice to your wife, and make her want to stay near you. That's a difficult one.
Takeaways:
-Wear shoes.
-Do what John did: Strip the corpses of all ammo and other needful things. Amazing this happed in a movie.
-If you are really close, the Weaver stance is not needed.
-Have a backup weapon, but maybe not taped to your back. That seems fragile.
-Ignore the plot hole of how the thieves are really planning to get away.
- Be nice to your wife, and make her want to stay near you. That's a difficult one.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 17, 2023 08:48 PM (u82oZ)
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Si! South Avenue, Youngstown, OH!
Posted by: bill in arkansas
And the doormen never bothered to frisk you. If you were dumb enough to draw inside a club, you deserved whatever happened to you.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
And the doormen never bothered to frisk you. If you were dumb enough to draw inside a club, you deserved whatever happened to you.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 17, 2023 08:48 PM (qoGsy)
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Combine the two and you get excellent well made rifles (the 1896 Model is great for the target range, not so fun to carry and if you like practical, the m38 short rifles and m94 carbines are lots of fun.
I like them all and you will often see corroded receivers and bolts, rust, etc. from other makes of Mausers but as Swedish Mausers used Swedish steel, you will see superior resistance to that of Swedish Mausers and even the German made early ones were required to use Swedish steel.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:45 PM (JAi95)
Ah, good to know. I think I will keep my eyes out for either a M38 or M94.
Thanks whig!
I like them all and you will often see corroded receivers and bolts, rust, etc. from other makes of Mausers but as Swedish Mausers used Swedish steel, you will see superior resistance to that of Swedish Mausers and even the German made early ones were required to use Swedish steel.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:45 PM (JAi95)
Ah, good to know. I think I will keep my eyes out for either a M38 or M94.
Thanks whig!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (R/m4+)
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Lots of those Swiss surplus rifles and carbines are coming into the country right now and at good prices.
I would really like one Swiss and one Swede whatever but just have never seen any in MeatSpace.
Lugers are another species that are really hard to find other than on-line.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
-------
Colorado Gun Sales for Swiss rifles has a good selection and we still get dribbles from any Century International (or you can buy direct from them if you have a C&R license). The heyday of the Swede Mausers was about ten years ago but Simpson's Ltd in Illinois had quite a few sporterized (some lightly, some not) Swedish Mausers of different flavors for not a whole lot of money several months ago or so.
Swedish Mauser stocks are still available at reasonable costs as is other furniture for them including handguards if you wanted to restore one.
I would really like one Swiss and one Swede whatever but just have never seen any in MeatSpace.
Lugers are another species that are really hard to find other than on-line.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
-------
Colorado Gun Sales for Swiss rifles has a good selection and we still get dribbles from any Century International (or you can buy direct from them if you have a C&R license). The heyday of the Swede Mausers was about ten years ago but Simpson's Ltd in Illinois had quite a few sporterized (some lightly, some not) Swedish Mausers of different flavors for not a whole lot of money several months ago or so.
Swedish Mauser stocks are still available at reasonable costs as is other furniture for them including handguards if you wanted to restore one.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (JAi95)
Posted by: Skylerkat at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (hqS6j)
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There is an Ace Hardware along one of the routes I drive in Florida (I am not a trucker, just one of the ways we go on the way to El Rancho Blaster) that has on its marquee "Guns and Ammo"
And then there is Rural King. Which is like Tractor Supply but with guns.
Posted by: b
nice
florida was also home of the cafe risque, strip club and ayce buffet
And then there is Rural King. Which is like Tractor Supply but with guns.
Posted by: b
nice
florida was also home of the cafe risque, strip club and ayce buffet
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (RjBju)
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There was even a fairly popular rock song about it, "Mr. Saturday Night Special" was the title, IIRC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon'
Yes there is, and I get to hear that atrocity every night on the feed at the supermarket, with their political statement, which is why Lynyrd Skynyrd can eat shit forever.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon'
Yes there is, and I get to hear that atrocity every night on the feed at the supermarket, with their political statement, which is why Lynyrd Skynyrd can eat shit forever.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:50 PM (/BBNv)
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255 234 No love for the Raven .25? Actually a pretty good little pistol. I used to get freebies from a distributor when I had my FFL (buy X amount, get a Raven). They had an extended firing pin acting as an ejector that often broke from dry firing, but if somebody was on a super duper tight budget it would defend the night stand or sock drawer. Just don't dry fire it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:46 PM
I got one of those from a guy owed me. I gave it to another guy who helped me working on my truck. A few months later I saw him shoot a water moccasin in the head with it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:46 PM
I got one of those from a guy owed me. I gave it to another guy who helped me working on my truck. A few months later I saw him shoot a water moccasin in the head with it.
Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2023 08:51 PM (NxC5+)
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There was an episode of "The Streets of San Francisco" centered around Saturday Night Specials sold by some street hood that were responsible for several murders. It was a very real thing in popular culture at the time.
Posted by: E
the should have been careful what they wished for, now everybody has 15+1 semi autos; or 15+1/2 1911s
Posted by: E
the should have been careful what they wished for, now everybody has 15+1 semi autos; or 15+1/2 1911s
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:52 PM (RjBju)
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264 "You get in the trunk stronzi, we is taking you for a ride".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 08:52 PM (0EOe9)
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There was an episode of "The Streets of San Francisco" centered around Saturday Night Specials sold by some street hood that were responsible for several murders. It was a very real thing in popular culture at the time.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (yRXSd)
I remember when I was young seeing that on the news night after night for a few weeks. I had no idea what a Saturday Night Special was - eventually I thought it was a brand or a type like a .45 automatic.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:44 PM (yRXSd)
I remember when I was young seeing that on the news night after night for a few weeks. I had no idea what a Saturday Night Special was - eventually I thought it was a brand or a type like a .45 automatic.
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 08:53 PM (IFNME)
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>>> Sadly my neighbors are too close to upgun.
Bummer.
Hate the tree rats.
Posted by: Diogenes
Get a break-barrel pellet rifle from Wally-World.
Bought a "Ruger" (name used under license ten years ago), very effective. Just be sure you have a backstop.
Taken other vermin with it too, possum, armadillo, even raccoon. Dropped one of those trash bandits who stood there snarling at me. CNS. DRT.
Bummer.
Hate the tree rats.
Posted by: Diogenes
Get a break-barrel pellet rifle from Wally-World.
Bought a "Ruger" (name used under license ten years ago), very effective. Just be sure you have a backstop.
Taken other vermin with it too, possum, armadillo, even raccoon. Dropped one of those trash bandits who stood there snarling at me. CNS. DRT.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 17, 2023 08:53 PM (cOq4q)
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florida was also home of the cafe risque, strip club and ayce buffet
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (RjBju)
Still is!
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (RjBju)
Still is!
Posted by: blaster at December 17, 2023 08:53 PM (IFNME)
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found a gun oil candle here.
Posted by: Skylerkat at December 17
But it is a soy based candle, so...
Posted by: Skylerkat at December 17
But it is a soy based candle, so...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 17, 2023 08:54 PM (hOUT3)
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(the 1896 Model is great for the target range, not so fun to carry and if you like practical, the m38 short rifles and m94 carbines are lots of fun.'
I look at it this way: having carried rifles, would you rather carry a goalie stick, or a baseball bat? I mean, over time, one is going to be far more handy than the other. That to me is the difference, ergonomically, between long rifles and rifles you will actually carry. A baseball bat is about right, something like an axe handle, a sledgehammer handle. Anything more than that gets just too long or too heavy.
The Mauser K98 type is the baseball bat of rifles.
I look at it this way: having carried rifles, would you rather carry a goalie stick, or a baseball bat? I mean, over time, one is going to be far more handy than the other. That to me is the difference, ergonomically, between long rifles and rifles you will actually carry. A baseball bat is about right, something like an axe handle, a sledgehammer handle. Anything more than that gets just too long or too heavy.
The Mauser K98 type is the baseball bat of rifles.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:54 PM (/BBNv)
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IDK if links are banned
Posted by: Skylerkat at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (hqS6j)
Nope. And you even did a url shortener, so good on ya!
Posted by: Skylerkat at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (hqS6j)
Nope. And you even did a url shortener, so good on ya!
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 08:55 PM (sSx7k)
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Ah, good to know. I think I will keep my eyes out for either a M38 or M94.
Thanks whig!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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HB Guy, no problem. Some of the M38's will have period 40's dated Husqvarna receiver and others will have rebuilt 1896 Gustaf receivers with the shorter 24 inch barrel. The newer open sight slides regulated for the change in the std. ammo will have a T mark on the sight slide.
Some will have sight tables on the stock with appropriate conversions along with a stock disk that explains the rifle's condition. Been too long to remember the markings but they are available online.
You will also see frequent examples with threaded muzzles at teh end of barrels as these were used to fire with a wooden bullet splitter adaptor that screwed onto the end to the barrel. You can pick up threaded flash hiders from Sarco to protect those barrel threads if you want or a short cap from a number of places that are threaded for the odd muzzle thread.
Thanks whig!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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HB Guy, no problem. Some of the M38's will have period 40's dated Husqvarna receiver and others will have rebuilt 1896 Gustaf receivers with the shorter 24 inch barrel. The newer open sight slides regulated for the change in the std. ammo will have a T mark on the sight slide.
Some will have sight tables on the stock with appropriate conversions along with a stock disk that explains the rifle's condition. Been too long to remember the markings but they are available online.
You will also see frequent examples with threaded muzzles at teh end of barrels as these were used to fire with a wooden bullet splitter adaptor that screwed onto the end to the barrel. You can pick up threaded flash hiders from Sarco to protect those barrel threads if you want or a short cap from a number of places that are threaded for the odd muzzle thread.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 08:55 PM (JAi95)
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Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 17, 2023 08:48 PM (u82oZ)
A couple more:
- Establishing and maintaining communication w/ the friendlies is important.
- Carry ear plugs.
- Not having the ambidextrous paddle magazine release on the MP5 slows your reload and can get you killed.
A couple more:
- Establishing and maintaining communication w/ the friendlies is important.
- Carry ear plugs.
- Not having the ambidextrous paddle magazine release on the MP5 slows your reload and can get you killed.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 08:55 PM (yRXSd)
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250 ... whig,
Thanks for the run down on the Swedish Mauser. I knew it was a well made rifle in a great caliber but didn't know about the difference in steels. While it is smooth to operate and comfortable to shoot compared to '03 Springfields or .303 SMLEs, it would be long and clunky on the battlefield. Shooting it from a bench is a pleasure.
Thanks for the run down on the Swedish Mauser. I knew it was a well made rifle in a great caliber but didn't know about the difference in steels. While it is smooth to operate and comfortable to shoot compared to '03 Springfields or .303 SMLEs, it would be long and clunky on the battlefield. Shooting it from a bench is a pleasure.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 08:56 PM (7EjX1)
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I recently watched Shaft and Death Wish 3 with my adult nephew.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 08:56 PM (2yu8s)
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the should have been careful what they wished for, now everybody has 15+1 semi autos; or 15+1/2 1911s
Posted by: N'
I'm not a sociologist but I've been wondering about that for some time now. What happened with this upgun? There are older people here, recall when anyone with a Hi-Power was considered a nut?
Normal people had revolvers.
Something shifted to turn people into this Killamajig business. I have yet to really figure it out, why?
Posted by: N'
I'm not a sociologist but I've been wondering about that for some time now. What happened with this upgun? There are older people here, recall when anyone with a Hi-Power was considered a nut?
Normal people had revolvers.
Something shifted to turn people into this Killamajig business. I have yet to really figure it out, why?
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:57 PM (/BBNv)
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Have to find it again but had a extremely cheap 22 pistol from my FiL that I wouldn't think was remotely safe to shoot, was going to take angle grinder to it but forgot about it.
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2023 08:58 PM (fwDg9)
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In two trips to Vietnam, I only had to fire my rifle a few times in anger (literally charlie in the wire). No ear protection, no hearing loss. Until the next day. Then things were kind of "what did you say?". Must be some magic when the body is under a lot of stress.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 09:00 PM (0EOe9)
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I look at it this way: having carried rifles, would you rather carry a goalie stick, or a baseball bat? I mean, over time, one is going to be far more handy than the other. That to me is the difference, ergonomically, between long rifles and rifles you will actually carry. A baseball bat is about right, something like an axe handle, a sledgehammer handle. Anything more than that gets just too long or too heavy.
The Mauser K98 type is the baseball bat of rifles.
Posted by: LenNeal
Most of the early smokeless rifles carried on the long barrel traditions of the last of the blackpowder rifles. The Brits and US were the first to move to shorter barrels for general issue rather than separate carbines/musket length barrels for calvary/others and infantry. Much of the 1890's and 1900's bolt action rifles were designed at this time and not surprisingly came with long barrels such as the GEW, the Mannlicher, Mosin, and so on. Volley fire ideas also played a part in that decision.
WWI led to the shorter carbines for general issue rather than the old carbine/rifle distinction.
The Mauser K98 type is the baseball bat of rifles.
Posted by: LenNeal
Most of the early smokeless rifles carried on the long barrel traditions of the last of the blackpowder rifles. The Brits and US were the first to move to shorter barrels for general issue rather than separate carbines/musket length barrels for calvary/others and infantry. Much of the 1890's and 1900's bolt action rifles were designed at this time and not surprisingly came with long barrels such as the GEW, the Mannlicher, Mosin, and so on. Volley fire ideas also played a part in that decision.
WWI led to the shorter carbines for general issue rather than the old carbine/rifle distinction.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:00 PM (JAi95)
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Have to find it again but had a extremely cheap 22 pistol from my FiL that I wouldn't think was remotely safe to shoot, was going to take angle grinder to it but forgot about it.
Posted by: Skip'
I also have a Heritage .22 revolver, good to meet a fellow owner!
Posted by: Skip'
I also have a Heritage .22 revolver, good to meet a fellow owner!
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:00 PM (/BBNv)
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Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:54 PM (/BBNv)
The "Minute of Mae" segments on the C&Rsenal You Tube channel cover (briefly) her thoughts about the ergonomics and shootability of the firearm (usually from the WWI era) she's shown testing. Quick (one minute exactly), informative, and entertaining.
The "Minute of Mae" segments on the C&Rsenal You Tube channel cover (briefly) her thoughts about the ergonomics and shootability of the firearm (usually from the WWI era) she's shown testing. Quick (one minute exactly), informative, and entertaining.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 09:01 PM (yRXSd)
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Then asks if I have a TS clearance. "Maybe..." or maybe not.
Nothing will screw up a workaday, normal call 4473 like a high-level clearance. Wife used to be with a certain federal detective agency -- but not as a SLO. We went to a regular, nice gun show and thought we'd pick up a couple of those "pieces of junk" that everybody says shoot so well. My callback was immediate; she got a firm "no," and an apology from the vendor. He'd seen this before. I ended up having to buy both of them. A couple of days later, her approval came through. I may, or may not, have let her use "mine" once in a while.
Nothing will screw up a workaday, normal call 4473 like a high-level clearance. Wife used to be with a certain federal detective agency -- but not as a SLO. We went to a regular, nice gun show and thought we'd pick up a couple of those "pieces of junk" that everybody says shoot so well. My callback was immediate; she got a firm "no," and an apology from the vendor. He'd seen this before. I ended up having to buy both of them. A couple of days later, her approval came through. I may, or may not, have let her use "mine" once in a while.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 17, 2023 09:01 PM (zdLoL)
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If that candle in the top photo was real I would get a few. Maybe one with that 'just fired' scent of 22lr and one with the aroma of black powder.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 09:02 PM (7EjX1)
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BTW, it might be a little late, but Delta Team Tactical has a whole 4 pages of things under $10 that it was advertising for stocking stuffers. And they'll fit in a stocking.
If you haven't ever gotten emails from them (I enter some of these sweepstakes and end up with a LOT of emails from various gun product companies) they seem to have a lot of stuff for a little less than some other places. Especially true if you're looking for accessories and such (maybe not scopes and such things).
Just make those three words all one word and put a .com at the end.
If you haven't ever gotten emails from them (I enter some of these sweepstakes and end up with a LOT of emails from various gun product companies) they seem to have a lot of stuff for a little less than some other places. Especially true if you're looking for accessories and such (maybe not scopes and such things).
Just make those three words all one word and put a .com at the end.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:02 PM (sSx7k)
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LenNeal @ 283-
The founding fathers writing our Constitution and Bill Of Rights figured whatever firearms were available to King George should be available to American patriots. Many here feel the same way, thus 15+ and 30 rd mags, etc.
The founding fathers writing our Constitution and Bill Of Rights figured whatever firearms were available to King George should be available to American patriots. Many here feel the same way, thus 15+ and 30 rd mags, etc.
Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2023 09:02 PM (NxC5+)
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Hearing loss, full power GPMG over time. I didn't feel a thing at the time but could not hear for days after. There really is a sort of stress-related hearing business.
That scared me, I was absolutely completely deaf. When I spoke I could feel a buzzing/vibration but that was it. I could not hear myself speak.
So, no compromise with ear protection.
That scared me, I was absolutely completely deaf. When I spoke I could feel a buzzing/vibration but that was it. I could not hear myself speak.
So, no compromise with ear protection.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:04 PM (/BBNv)
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I bought my first 12 gauge shotgun from K-Mart . A single shot Savage.
Posted by: Drive By redo at December 17, 2023 09:04 PM (PCUPG)
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Thanks for the run down on the Swedish Mauser. I knew it was a well made rifle in a great caliber but didn't know about the difference in steels. While it is smooth to operate and comfortable to shoot compared to '03 Springfields or .303 SMLEs, it would be long and clunky on the battlefield. Shooting it from a bench is a pleasure.
Posted by: JTB
Long time ago, I did a deep dive into Swedish steel and metallurgy including the fun fact that US Ordnance specified Swedish steel for Krag barrels back in the day. The Swedes have the benefit of an apparent massive meteor filled will all sorts of goodies good with steel such trace elements of nickel, vanadium, chromium, etc, along with a massive chunk of magnetite iron ore. It is also low in bad trace elements like sulfur. Even Bessemer when he first developed the process specified that British mills were to use only Swedish iron ore at first. Essentially, the trace elements in the Swedish iron ore were not removed by processing it into steel back in the day and gave it superior attributes of strength and corrosion resistance when compared with similar steel of that era.
Posted by: JTB
Long time ago, I did a deep dive into Swedish steel and metallurgy including the fun fact that US Ordnance specified Swedish steel for Krag barrels back in the day. The Swedes have the benefit of an apparent massive meteor filled will all sorts of goodies good with steel such trace elements of nickel, vanadium, chromium, etc, along with a massive chunk of magnetite iron ore. It is also low in bad trace elements like sulfur. Even Bessemer when he first developed the process specified that British mills were to use only Swedish iron ore at first. Essentially, the trace elements in the Swedish iron ore were not removed by processing it into steel back in the day and gave it superior attributes of strength and corrosion resistance when compared with similar steel of that era.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:04 PM (JAi95)
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Something shifted to turn people into this Killamajig business. I have yet to really figure it out, why?
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:57 PM (/BBNv)
Perhaps some of it came from Magnum, P.I. carrying a .45 1911. It might be some of those shows normalized it. I think Glocks brought about the standardization - before that all the semis seemed to be in their own world.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:57 PM (/BBNv)
Perhaps some of it came from Magnum, P.I. carrying a .45 1911. It might be some of those shows normalized it. I think Glocks brought about the standardization - before that all the semis seemed to be in their own world.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:05 PM (sSx7k)
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Something shifted to turn people into this Killamajig business. I have yet to really figure it out, why?
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:57 PM (/BBNv)
The interboob and believe it or not, video games.
Lots of younger folk will remark when I am at the range that they shot this or that rifle or pistol while playing some video game first person shooter but they had never seen one in real life. They get interested and then start buying real weapons and off to the races they go.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:57 PM (/BBNv)
The interboob and believe it or not, video games.
Lots of younger folk will remark when I am at the range that they shot this or that rifle or pistol while playing some video game first person shooter but they had never seen one in real life. They get interested and then start buying real weapons and off to the races they go.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 09:05 PM (R/m4+)
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- Buy overweight black cops donuts so he/they can help you out later when the F.I.B. begins effing it up.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 09:05 PM (2yu8s)
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florida was also home of the cafe risque, strip club and ayce buffet
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (RjBju)
Still is!
Posted by: b
there were billboards for cafe risque everywhere
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 08:49 PM (RjBju)
Still is!
Posted by: b
there were billboards for cafe risque everywhere
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:06 PM (RjBju)
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Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 08:57 PM (/BBNv)
The introduction of the Glock 17 in 1983 and the 1986 FBI Miami shootout. When the FBI abandoned the .357 Magnum revolver (a caliber the FBI introduced, BTW), in favor of a semiauto pistol, that was the signal for other PDs across the country to look for an alternative to their issued revolvers. The Glock 17, being cheaper to make compared to most revolvers from Colt and S&W, didn't take long before it began making inroads into major departments, such as the NYPD.
The introduction of the Glock 17 in 1983 and the 1986 FBI Miami shootout. When the FBI abandoned the .357 Magnum revolver (a caliber the FBI introduced, BTW), in favor of a semiauto pistol, that was the signal for other PDs across the country to look for an alternative to their issued revolvers. The Glock 17, being cheaper to make compared to most revolvers from Colt and S&W, didn't take long before it began making inroads into major departments, such as the NYPD.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 09:07 PM (yRXSd)
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Remember in the movie Big Jake , John Wayne's movie son had a semi automatic.
Posted by: Drive By redo at December 17, 2023 09:08 PM (PCUPG)
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bad trace elements like sulfur.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:04 PM (JAi95)
Pfft. Says you.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:04 PM (JAi95)
Pfft. Says you.
Posted by: That other guy in a red suit at December 17, 2023 09:08 PM (sSx7k)
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If I ever had to discharge my preferred weapon for more than one round I'd be deaf for a while. I wear hearing aids and the manufacturer says that they attenuate sudden loud noises but I've never tested that.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 17, 2023 09:09 PM (MeG8a)
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The founding fathers writing our Constitution and Bill Of Rights figured whatever firearms were available to King George should be available to American patriots. Many here feel the same way, thus 15+ and 30 rd mags, etc.
Posted by: Eromero'
I commented that high cap stuff wasn't usual up until what the early 1980s. I'm not saying it didn't exist, M1 carbine 30-round mags, Hi-powers, etc. but this 9mm 17+1 stuff just wasn't out there prior to a certain point in time. Even the S&W M59 was mostly a cop gun.
I'm just curious about what made the change. I've been reading back through old Gun Digests looking it over.
Posted by: Eromero'
I commented that high cap stuff wasn't usual up until what the early 1980s. I'm not saying it didn't exist, M1 carbine 30-round mags, Hi-powers, etc. but this 9mm 17+1 stuff just wasn't out there prior to a certain point in time. Even the S&W M59 was mostly a cop gun.
I'm just curious about what made the change. I've been reading back through old Gun Digests looking it over.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:09 PM (/BBNv)
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Oh yeah, got a red ryder for christmas. Mom didn't warn me about shooting my eye out, but she also didn't warn me not to shoot the ornaments on the tree either. Yeah, she was pissed. Probably more at my dad. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 17, 2023 09:09 PM (VwHCD)
Posted by: Drive By at December 17, 2023 09:10 PM (PCUPG)
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it would be long and clunky on the battlefield. Shooting it from a bench is a pleasure.
Posted by: JTB
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By WWII, the Swedes had shortened the barrels to the commonly mentioned m38 std. and retrofitted older receivers along with some newly made ones for WWII possible service. The barrel is metric but right around 23-24 inches in length which is contemporary with the k98, Mosins of the 1938/44 makes, No. 4 Lee Enfields, and US Springfields.
The 94 carbines and their lookalikes made from 1896 model receivers have an odd barrel length as they had to retrofit those carbines to a longer barrel for US importation (they were under the old 18 inch barrel length importation std. )
Posted by: JTB
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By WWII, the Swedes had shortened the barrels to the commonly mentioned m38 std. and retrofitted older receivers along with some newly made ones for WWII possible service. The barrel is metric but right around 23-24 inches in length which is contemporary with the k98, Mosins of the 1938/44 makes, No. 4 Lee Enfields, and US Springfields.
The 94 carbines and their lookalikes made from 1896 model receivers have an odd barrel length as they had to retrofit those carbines to a longer barrel for US importation (they were under the old 18 inch barrel length importation std. )
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:10 PM (JAi95)
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there were billboards for cafe risque everywhere
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:06 PM (RjBju)
Is that place still open? Wow. Last time I seen their billboards in Florida has to be 1998? 2000?
Titties and food. You just never know...
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:06 PM (RjBju)
Is that place still open? Wow. Last time I seen their billboards in Florida has to be 1998? 2000?
Titties and food. You just never know...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 09:11 PM (R/m4+)
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I think Magnum PI carried a Randall?
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:12 PM (/BBNv)
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Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel.
I think next week we should all leave notes here for what Santa should bring us next Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you all. Post-Happy Hanukkah to those who observe. And windmills in your stocking (not coal, that stuff is valuable!) to all those anti-gunners out there.
I think next week we should all leave notes here for what Santa should bring us next Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you all. Post-Happy Hanukkah to those who observe. And windmills in your stocking (not coal, that stuff is valuable!) to all those anti-gunners out there.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:12 PM (sSx7k)
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Is that place still open? Wow. Last time I seen their billboards in Florida has to be 1998? 2000?
Titties and food. You just never know...
Posted by: H
I thought they were closed. yeah, nothing more appetizing than a bill board of a woman with enormous tits and a giant heap of scrambled eggs.
Titties and food. You just never know...
Posted by: H
I thought they were closed. yeah, nothing more appetizing than a bill board of a woman with enormous tits and a giant heap of scrambled eggs.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:13 PM (RjBju)
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Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:12 PM (/BBNv)
Technically, I think it was a 9mm Star. 9mm blanks work the slide more reliably and are easier to find than .45 ACP blanks.
Technically, I think it was a 9mm Star. 9mm blanks work the slide more reliably and are easier to find than .45 ACP blanks.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 09:14 PM (yRXSd)
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Wasn't the Tok Uncle Palp's favorite?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 17, 2023 09:14 PM (cOq4q)
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I thought they were closed. yeah, nothing more appetizing than a bill board of a woman with enormous tits and a giant heap of scrambled eggs.
Posted by: N'
Sounds like a place in Torrington WY.
Posted by: N'
Sounds like a place in Torrington WY.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:15 PM (/BBNv)
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I know that high capacity 9mm and AR style rifles are cool and the norm these days. But my single action revolvers and traditional black powder guns get a lot of attention at the range from the young Glock shooters. And youngsters are fascinated. Sometimes it is cool not to be cool.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 09:15 PM (7EjX1)
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High capacity semi pistols came about when the double stack mag was invented.
Posted by: Drive By at December 17, 2023 09:15 PM (PCUPG)
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The candle brings back a fond memory. Thanksgiving, 45 plus years ago. Me, Dad, two brothers, and 4 Springers.Pheasant hunting in the morning. Return around 1300 with a sack of birds for Christmas Eve "Game Dinner" (pheasant, venison, duck).
Mom was well pleased and relaxed the rule about no weapons cleaning in The Parlor. Cheery fire, four sleeping dogs, borubon, ball game, and the lovely scent of Hoppes #9. Had to keep the door closed, though! Fair enough. The rest of the house was filled with the aroma of the feast. Good times.
Mom was well pleased and relaxed the rule about no weapons cleaning in The Parlor. Cheery fire, four sleeping dogs, borubon, ball game, and the lovely scent of Hoppes #9. Had to keep the door closed, though! Fair enough. The rest of the house was filled with the aroma of the feast. Good times.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 09:16 PM (8C7+r)
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Technically, I think it was a 9mm Star. 9mm blanks work the slide more reliably and are easier to find than .45 ACP blanks.
Posted by: Ed L'
Yeah, that's old Hollywood lore, most .45s in older movies are run with Star 9mms, .45ACPs won't run on blanks. The Wild Bunch is infamous for that.
Posted by: Ed L'
Yeah, that's old Hollywood lore, most .45s in older movies are run with Star 9mms, .45ACPs won't run on blanks. The Wild Bunch is infamous for that.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:16 PM (/BBNv)
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Gonna pack it in early tonight, what with the sniffles and all.
Someone say goodnight to Weasel for me!
Spreadsheets. Hah!
Someone say goodnight to Weasel for me!
Spreadsheets. Hah!
Posted by: RI Red at December 17, 2023 09:16 PM (PweV5)
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I collect BB and Pellet guns. I buy every one I come across at estate sales and such.
I was never into the Red Riders. I was a 70's kid and a lot of the Benjamin and Sheridan .177 and .22 pellet guns were all the rage.
Knock a Jackrabbit over backwards at 30 yards.
I have three functional mid 60's Sheridan Blue Streaks that I never had as a kid.
I had a Benjamin .177 all brass 1940's version, worn out. Wish I still had it but young is dumb and I sold it for beer money. My dad should have shot me when he found out about that.
Then the Daisy 760 at like 11 Yo for Christmas and I still have that, albeit a pistol now as I broke the stock before new years.
I also have quite a collection of .177 pistols that I shoot in my shop.
Haven't shot much lately.
Should get my shit together and get my range back into place.
I was never into the Red Riders. I was a 70's kid and a lot of the Benjamin and Sheridan .177 and .22 pellet guns were all the rage.
Knock a Jackrabbit over backwards at 30 yards.
I have three functional mid 60's Sheridan Blue Streaks that I never had as a kid.
I had a Benjamin .177 all brass 1940's version, worn out. Wish I still had it but young is dumb and I sold it for beer money. My dad should have shot me when he found out about that.
Then the Daisy 760 at like 11 Yo for Christmas and I still have that, albeit a pistol now as I broke the stock before new years.
I also have quite a collection of .177 pistols that I shoot in my shop.
Haven't shot much lately.
Should get my shit together and get my range back into place.
Posted by: Reforger at December 17, 2023 09:16 PM (GSO+2)
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High capacity semi pistols came about when the double stack mag was invented.
Posted by: Drive By'
Wow. That is absolutely not factual.
Posted by: Drive By'
Wow. That is absolutely not factual.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:17 PM (/BBNv)
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The Glock 17, being cheaper to make compared to most revolvers from Colt and S&W, didn't take long before it began making inroads into major departments, such as the NYPD.
Posted by: Ed L
The Glock did not get widespread adoption until City of Miami (the Alvarado case and Janet Reno's persecution of him based on the fallacious claim that Alvarado cocked his revolver first and wrongfully killed a murderous scumbag). adopted them after the ATF ruled that they were double action. At the time, many police agencies were going to double action only or double/single action pistols in transition from revolvers. The Wonder Nines originally that were hi caps were metal framed Smith and Wessons, Sigs, and Berettas and these ruled the Eighties. The US military went to the Beretta M92, Smith and Wesson dominated the police ranks with its 2nd and 3rd Generation.
Interesting decade for handgun design and drug/terrorism induced violence hit extremes in a lot of places leading to cops being outgunned. There is also a strong relationship between cops and military and when the military went to large cap, then the cops did as well.
Posted by: Ed L
The Glock did not get widespread adoption until City of Miami (the Alvarado case and Janet Reno's persecution of him based on the fallacious claim that Alvarado cocked his revolver first and wrongfully killed a murderous scumbag). adopted them after the ATF ruled that they were double action. At the time, many police agencies were going to double action only or double/single action pistols in transition from revolvers. The Wonder Nines originally that were hi caps were metal framed Smith and Wessons, Sigs, and Berettas and these ruled the Eighties. The US military went to the Beretta M92, Smith and Wesson dominated the police ranks with its 2nd and 3rd Generation.
Interesting decade for handgun design and drug/terrorism induced violence hit extremes in a lot of places leading to cops being outgunned. There is also a strong relationship between cops and military and when the military went to large cap, then the cops did as well.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:17 PM (JAi95)
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Posted by: Drive By at December 17, 2023 09:10 PM (PCUPG)
It took S&W until the early 1980s for it to catch up w/ the demand for the Model 29. For most of the 1970s, Model 29s went for as much as $1500 (more than 3x MSRP) because EVERYBODY want to have what Clint carried in those movies.
It took S&W until the early 1980s for it to catch up w/ the demand for the Model 29. For most of the 1970s, Model 29s went for as much as $1500 (more than 3x MSRP) because EVERYBODY want to have what Clint carried in those movies.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 09:18 PM (yRXSd)
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Better late than never, *and* I have to go back out for an 0200 pickup for another run to IAH Bush airport.
Last customer with the Duke Ellington Orchestra, which was here in town for a performance at the 1894 Grand Opera House.
Passenger is (I think) grandson of Duke. Same last name, and the name at the top of the roster. I do get to meet some interesting people, doing this.
Daisy Red Ryder. I missed out on those. My first shooter was Crossman 740, back when it was a wooden, hardwood stock, with a "tootsie roll" forend and no checkering otherwise. Pump it all the way up to 25, and you could BARELY pull the 20 lb. trigger, which was directly related to the number of pumps fed into the charging system.
But, the Little Green Army Men didn't stand a CHANCE!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Last customer with the Duke Ellington Orchestra, which was here in town for a performance at the 1894 Grand Opera House.
Passenger is (I think) grandson of Duke. Same last name, and the name at the top of the roster. I do get to meet some interesting people, doing this.
Daisy Red Ryder. I missed out on those. My first shooter was Crossman 740, back when it was a wooden, hardwood stock, with a "tootsie roll" forend and no checkering otherwise. Pump it all the way up to 25, and you could BARELY pull the 20 lb. trigger, which was directly related to the number of pumps fed into the charging system.
But, the Little Green Army Men didn't stand a CHANCE!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 17, 2023 09:19 PM (e6UQI)
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the other funny thing about old shows is that the cops were running revolvers in holsters that hung below the gun belt, and they were not in the high speed, low drag, go fast tacticool gear they are now.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:19 PM (RjBju)
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317 ... "Mom was well pleased and relaxed the rule about no weapons cleaning in The Parlor. Cheery fire, four sleeping dogs, borubon, ball game, and the lovely scent of Hoppes #9. Had to keep the door closed, though! Fair enough. The rest of the house was filled with the aroma of the feast. Good times."
IMG,
That sounds idyllic. I could smell the Hoppe's and the fireplace and taste the bourbon.
IMG,
That sounds idyllic. I could smell the Hoppe's and the fireplace and taste the bourbon.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 09:20 PM (7EjX1)
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Sometimes it is cool not to be cool.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 09:15 PM (7EjX1)
It's because you're "retro", and that's cool.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 09:15 PM (7EjX1)
It's because you're "retro", and that's cool.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:21 PM (sSx7k)
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316 High capacity semi pistols came about when the double stack mag was invented.
Posted by: Drive By
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Nope, Saive's Browning High Point was a successful double stack but functioned well only with FMJ at the time before WWII.
Smith and Wesson redesigned its Walther derived model 59 into high caps--first at the request of Special Forces in Vietnam and later as the 59-2 for police but there were few takers at first and many of these had teething problems with anything other than fmj. When Smith went to CAD in a big way in the 80's, it opened the door to the 2nd and 3rd Generation which fed anything including hollow points and odder profile bullets. Ergonomics was also superb in these firearms compared with earlier makes.
Posted by: Drive By
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Nope, Saive's Browning High Point was a successful double stack but functioned well only with FMJ at the time before WWII.
Smith and Wesson redesigned its Walther derived model 59 into high caps--first at the request of Special Forces in Vietnam and later as the 59-2 for police but there were few takers at first and many of these had teething problems with anything other than fmj. When Smith went to CAD in a big way in the 80's, it opened the door to the 2nd and 3rd Generation which fed anything including hollow points and odder profile bullets. Ergonomics was also superb in these firearms compared with earlier makes.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:21 PM (JAi95)
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GWB, I've ended up getting a bunch of stuff from Delta Team Tactical, it's been surprisingly good stuff over all. A couple of barrels, receivers, charging handles etc..
Posted by: ck at December 17, 2023 09:22 PM (ljHmZ)
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I'm out, thank you all.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:23 PM (/BBNv)
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Thank you, Weasel.
Good information, as always.
May everyone's Christmas be Hans Gruber free.
And a respectful tip of the hat to the original Bacon Wench.
Good information, as always.
May everyone's Christmas be Hans Gruber free.
And a respectful tip of the hat to the original Bacon Wench.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 17, 2023 09:24 PM (u82oZ)
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Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:19 PM (RjBju)
The funniest thing in those old 30s to 50's cop shows is that you got a warning ' Stop or I'll shoot. Bam bam bam ' and no one in the audience gave
it a second thought.
The funniest thing in those old 30s to 50's cop shows is that you got a warning ' Stop or I'll shoot. Bam bam bam ' and no one in the audience gave
it a second thought.
Posted by: Drive By at December 17, 2023 09:24 PM (PCUPG)
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Wow. That is absolutely not factual.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:17 PM (/BBNv)
The Savage Model 1907 was the wonder .32/.380 of it's day.
Ten Shots Quick!
Posted by: LenNeal at December 17, 2023 09:17 PM (/BBNv)
The Savage Model 1907 was the wonder .32/.380 of it's day.
Ten Shots Quick!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 09:24 PM (R/m4+)
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Snoopy has credentials, it's that fucking terrorist bird you have to watch out for.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 17, 2023 09:24 PM (9v1kn)
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328 Double stack magazines. Savage model 1907. "10 shots quick" as the advertising read. Also, endorsed by Bat Masterson.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 09:24 PM (0EOe9)
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315 I know that high capacity 9mm and AR style rifles are cool and the norm these days. But my single action revolvers and traditional black powder guns get a lot of attention at the range from the young Glock shooters. And youngsters are fascinated. Sometimes it is cool not to be cool.
Posted by: JTB
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Most of them are devoid of history and a sense of place that comes from it. You are giving them a sense of what came before and doing them an excellent turn in grounding them into what came before.
Marxists believe in destroying the past so that that people will not yearn for it but it essentially leaves most people adrift and ignorant.
Posted by: JTB
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Most of them are devoid of history and a sense of place that comes from it. You are giving them a sense of what came before and doing them an excellent turn in grounding them into what came before.
Marxists believe in destroying the past so that that people will not yearn for it but it essentially leaves most people adrift and ignorant.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:24 PM (JAi95)
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the other funny thing about old shows is that the cops were running revolvers in holsters that hung below the gun belt, and they were not in the high speed, low drag, go fast tacticool gear they are now.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:19 PM (RjBju)
I spent an evening or two looking into the "clamshell" holsters on Adam 12. Very interesting. And the reasons they went away from what was a couple of decades earlier an innovative design. I even asked a question here about it and got lots of good info.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:19 PM (RjBju)
I spent an evening or two looking into the "clamshell" holsters on Adam 12. Very interesting. And the reasons they went away from what was a couple of decades earlier an innovative design. I even asked a question here about it and got lots of good info.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:25 PM (sSx7k)
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Have to go out in the rain for the pup to do her last business for the night. (She won't like it but I'm bigger.) Thanks to Weasel and everyone for another great gun thread.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 09:25 PM (7EjX1)
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Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:17 PM (JAi95)
I wasn't into guns as much back then, so I don't remember much of that bit of history beyond the M9 displacing the M1911A1. I do remember the IL State Police packing S&W M39s since I grew up outside of Chicago. By the time the 90s rolled around, just about every PD packed Glocks seemingly in the blink of an eye.
I wasn't into guns as much back then, so I don't remember much of that bit of history beyond the M9 displacing the M1911A1. I do remember the IL State Police packing S&W M39s since I grew up outside of Chicago. By the time the 90s rolled around, just about every PD packed Glocks seemingly in the blink of an eye.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 09:25 PM (yRXSd)
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Got to watch an interesting scene at a gub store last week. Hispanic couple goes up to counter. Woman asks to see a small 1911-style .380 with faux-pearl grips. Immediately hands it to the male, who, amid considerable conversation in Spanish, manipulates it well, ends up pointing it 'gangsta-style', and then gives it back to woman, who returns it to clerk.
They then proceed over to the used rack, and she asks to look at the only used AR. Clerk hands it to her, who immediately hands it to male, who clearly knows his way around an AR, amid even more Spanish conversation. He then hands it to the clerk, and says "I'll take it:, in English. Clerk asks if he has a TX driver's license and if he's a U.S. resident. Woman steps up, looks directly at clerk, and says "We'll be using my identification."
Clerk says "I'm sorry, ma'am, but we won't be able to sell you this gun." "Why not?" "Because I believe you are purchasing this gun for another individual, which is against the law." Woman goes off on clerk, shouting he's a racist, and asked for her papers, "which is against the law!" More shouting from woman as they depart. Clerk said this happens at least once a week now.
They then proceed over to the used rack, and she asks to look at the only used AR. Clerk hands it to her, who immediately hands it to male, who clearly knows his way around an AR, amid even more Spanish conversation. He then hands it to the clerk, and says "I'll take it:, in English. Clerk asks if he has a TX driver's license and if he's a U.S. resident. Woman steps up, looks directly at clerk, and says "We'll be using my identification."
Clerk says "I'm sorry, ma'am, but we won't be able to sell you this gun." "Why not?" "Because I believe you are purchasing this gun for another individual, which is against the law." Woman goes off on clerk, shouting he's a racist, and asked for her papers, "which is against the law!" More shouting from woman as they depart. Clerk said this happens at least once a week now.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 09:25 PM (a3Q+t)
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The funniest thing in those old 30s to 50's cop shows is that you got a warning ' Stop or I'll shoot. Bam bam bam ' and no one in the audience gave
it a second thought.
Posted by: Drive
I had not thought of that, that is funny.
it a second thought.
Posted by: Drive
I had not thought of that, that is funny.
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:26 PM (RjBju)
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329 GWB, I've ended up getting a bunch of stuff from Delta Team Tactical, it's been surprisingly good stuff over all. A couple of barrels, receivers, charging handles etc..
Posted by: ck
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Delta Team Tactical does have some excellent buys and they have greatly improved their service and products over the years. You will see some older dissing on various feedback places like Yelp but since 2018-19, they have been excellent in pricing, a bit slower on shipping like Palmetto, but have some awesome deals on various gizmos and accessories at times.
Posted by: ck
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Delta Team Tactical does have some excellent buys and they have greatly improved their service and products over the years. You will see some older dissing on various feedback places like Yelp but since 2018-19, they have been excellent in pricing, a bit slower on shipping like Palmetto, but have some awesome deals on various gizmos and accessories at times.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:26 PM (JAi95)
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Nope, Saive's Browning High Point was a successful double stack but functioned well only with FMJ at the time before WWII.
Whig, I know you didn't mean that. But I larfed. Out loud.
Whig, I know you didn't mean that. But I larfed. Out loud.
Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2023 09:27 PM (NxC5+)
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Long time ago, I did a deep dive into Swedish steel and metallurgy including the fun fact that US Ordnance specified Swedish steel for Krag barrels back in the day. The Swedes have the benefit of an apparent massive meteor filled will all sorts of goodies good with steel such trace elements of nickel, vanadium, chromium, etc, along with a massive chunk of magnetite iron ore. It is also low in bad trace elements like sulfur. Even Bessemer when he first developed the process specified that British mills were to use only Swedish iron ore at first.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:04 PM (JAi95)
Narvik, Norway, was the only year-round ice-free port for getting the high-quality Swedish iron ore out to the world. Including Germany. The British and French plan to take Narvik in early Spring 1940 to stop Swedish ore shipments to Germany was beaten to the punch by a couple weeks or less by Hitler's invasion of Norway, Operation Weserubung, beginning 9th April 1940. The Brits took Narvik from the Germans but evacuated after the German attack on France and the Low Countries on 10th May 1940.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:04 PM (JAi95)
Narvik, Norway, was the only year-round ice-free port for getting the high-quality Swedish iron ore out to the world. Including Germany. The British and French plan to take Narvik in early Spring 1940 to stop Swedish ore shipments to Germany was beaten to the punch by a couple weeks or less by Hitler's invasion of Norway, Operation Weserubung, beginning 9th April 1940. The Brits took Narvik from the Germans but evacuated after the German attack on France and the Low Countries on 10th May 1940.
Posted by: Gref at December 17, 2023 09:28 PM (5fDan)
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Police high capacity may have come into general use after the same famous FBI gunfight that started the ".40 vs 10mm" spitting match. I know my wife's agency called in all the good 'ol .357 revolvers in that period, and forced everybody into double-stack plastic-body 9's. The old timers grumped that at least with the .357, if you missed the perp six times you could throw the gun at him.
There was a sweetheart factory-rehab deal, and she managed to score her boss's lovely Ruger. He dropped dead of a weird rare disease not long after that, so it's a cherished memento.
There was a sweetheart factory-rehab deal, and she managed to score her boss's lovely Ruger. He dropped dead of a weird rare disease not long after that, so it's a cherished memento.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 17, 2023 09:28 PM (zdLoL)
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They then proceed over to the used rack, and she asks to look at the only used AR. Clerk hands it to her, who immediately hands it to male, who clearly knows his way around an AR, amid even more Spanish conversation. He then hands it to the clerk, and says "I'll take it:, in English. Clerk asks if he has a TX driver's license and if he's a U.S. resident. Woman steps up, looks directly at clerk, and says "We'll be using my identification."
Clerk says "I'm sorry, ma'am, but we won't be able to sell you this gun." "Why not?" "Because I believe you are purchasing this gun for another individual, which is against the law." Woman goes off on clerk, shouting he's a racist, and asked for her papers, "which is against the law!" More shouting from woman as they depart. Clerk said this happens at least once a week now.
was in a gun store and saw the same thing except they were black, I mean how stupid does somebody have to be?
They then proceed over to the used rack, and she asks to look at the only used AR. Clerk hands it to her, who immediately hands it to male, who clearly knows his way around an AR, amid even more Spanish conversation. He then hands it to the clerk, and says "I'll take it:, in English. Clerk asks if he has a TX driver's license and if he's a U.S. resident. Woman steps up, looks directly at clerk, and says "We'll be using my identification."
Clerk says "I'm sorry, ma'am, but we won't be able to sell you this gun." "Why not?" "Because I believe you are purchasing this gun for another individual, which is against the law." Woman goes off on clerk, shouting he's a racist, and asked for her papers, "which is against the law!" More shouting from woman as they depart. Clerk said this happens at least once a week now.
was in a gun store and saw the same thing except they were black, I mean how stupid does somebody have to be?
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM (RjBju)
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Howdy again, guys and gals - just checking in. Thanks for not setting the place on fire!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM (JwHpX)
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Cheery fire, four sleeping dogs, bourbon, ball game, and the lovely scent of Hoppes #9.
___________
Read once that the first order of business after hunting should be to dry off the dogs and feed them a good dinner. The horse, the saddle, the man.
Cheery fire, four sleeping dogs, bourbon, ball game, and the lovely scent of Hoppes #9.
___________
Read once that the first order of business after hunting should be to dry off the dogs and feed them a good dinner. The horse, the saddle, the man.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM (MoZTd)
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Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:21 PM (JAi95
Did double stack mags allow for high capacity mags or not? I don't see the controversy in that statement.
Did double stack mags allow for high capacity mags or not? I don't see the controversy in that statement.
Posted by: Drive By at December 17, 2023 09:31 PM (PCUPG)
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In a real short law enforcement career (Sheriff took over the dept) we were permitted to carry either a .38 Special or .357. If you carried a .357 you had to carry .38 Special as extra ammo in case somebody was in need.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 09:32 PM (0EOe9)
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Remember in the movie Big Jake , John Wayne's movie son had a semi automatic.
Posted by: Drive By
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"Jake's son, Michael (Christopher Mitchum), carries a semi-auto pistol, which is called "Bergmann 1911". Actually, it is a movie prop, made using a Walther P38 that has been modified to resemble the early Bergmann Model 1896; actual Bergmann pistol from 1911 looked different. This same prop later appeared in the films Black Caesar 1973 and Caged Heat 1974."
Posted by: Drive By
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"Jake's son, Michael (Christopher Mitchum), carries a semi-auto pistol, which is called "Bergmann 1911". Actually, it is a movie prop, made using a Walther P38 that has been modified to resemble the early Bergmann Model 1896; actual Bergmann pistol from 1911 looked different. This same prop later appeared in the films Black Caesar 1973 and Caged Heat 1974."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2023 09:32 PM (XeU6L)
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The main handgun used by Thomas Magnum (Tom Selleck) was a Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model. This handgun is supposed to be the one he carried during his service in Vietnam (which would have been a M1911A1) and is sometimes carried in a tanker-style holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It was sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam.
A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)
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The 80's belonged to Smith and Wesson and in part because of their past relationship with Police Departments due to revolvers. You saw jurisdictions here and there adopt Beretta 92's (LA for example) and Sigs at some other places or where PD's allowed people to carry their own firearms of choice as long as it was chambered for the PD's official cartridge. The Alvarado case involved Miami police the Liberty City riots. Alvarado approached some street scum, the guy tried to pull a gun on Alvarado at close range in an arcade and Alvarado put him down with his revolver. Due to Fla Politics, Janet Reno as DA was determined to put Alvarado behind bars and invented the idea that Alvarado must have cocked his revolver to single action and shot scumbag unintentionally as the victim dindu nuffin. Many of the PDs had already being sued over cops shooting in single action claims and were requiring revolvers to be made double action only already. Then the transition to automatics made that into Double Action/Single Action as from the Walther P38 onwards (really the PPK) as being more safe than cocked and locked single action.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:34 PM (JAi95)
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326 317 ...
IMG,
That sounds idyllic. I could smell the Hoppe's and the fireplace and taste the bourbon.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 09:20 PM (7EjX1)
Oh, it was. I've managed to pass that on, after a sort. Whitetail hunting with son. Bunch kittehs instead of doggehs. Post Thanksgiving, so the scent of venison backstraps, but the same feel. It's a blessing!
IMG,
That sounds idyllic. I could smell the Hoppe's and the fireplace and taste the bourbon.
Posted by: JTB at December 17, 2023 09:20 PM (7EjX1)
Oh, it was. I've managed to pass that on, after a sort. Whitetail hunting with son. Bunch kittehs instead of doggehs. Post Thanksgiving, so the scent of venison backstraps, but the same feel. It's a blessing!
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 09:34 PM (8C7+r)
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Clerk says "I'm sorry, ma'am, but we won't be able to sell you this gun." "Why not?" "Because I believe you are purchasing this gun for another individual, which is against the law." Woman goes off on clerk, shouting he's a racist, and asked for her papers, "which is against the law!" More shouting from woman as they depart. Clerk said this happens at least once a week now.
If she had announced from the outset, "I am here to buy a gun. My brother is here to help me choose." Well, she might have had no trouble.
If she had announced from the outset, "I am here to buy a gun. My brother is here to help me choose." Well, she might have had no trouble.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2023 09:36 PM (Z0xu1)
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A list of firearms used in movies and TV shows is maintained at the Internet Movie Firearms Data Base:
https://imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page
I couldn't figure out what pistol Jules used in Pulp Fiction until I went to IMFDB. It was a Star.
https://imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page
I couldn't figure out what pistol Jules used in Pulp Fiction until I went to IMFDB. It was a Star.
Posted by: Gref at December 17, 2023 09:36 PM (5fDan)
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If she had announced from the outset, "I am here to buy a gun. My brother is here to help me choose." Well, she might have had no trouble.
Posted by: Alb
yes, but, they're stupid
Posted by: Alb
yes, but, they're stupid
Posted by: N at December 17, 2023 09:37 PM (RjBju)
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guns! Late but guns!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 17, 2023 09:37 PM (xcxpd)
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If she had announced from the outset, "I am here to buy a gun. My brother is here to help me choose." Well, she might have had no trouble.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2023 09:36 PM (Z0xu1)
Criminals aren't the smartest people in the room.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2023 09:36 PM (Z0xu1)
Criminals aren't the smartest people in the room.
Posted by: Drive By at December 17, 2023 09:37 PM (PCUPG)
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351 If one is observant, they will see armorer's errors in movies. In "13 Rue Madelane", Cagney is shown with a revolver, followed by him entering a building with a 1911. In "Paths of Glory" Kirk Douglas goes over the top with a French Model 1892 and is shown in a shell crater with a Colt. Later in the same movie, the firing squad is shown pointing at the poor bastards about to be executed, and one is aiming a Mauser.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 09:38 PM (0EOe9)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (yRXSd)
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Criminals aren't the smartest people in the room.
Posted by: Drive By
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I had a detective once tell me that it was very rare to find a MENSA card in the wallet of a criminal.
Criminals aren't the smartest people in the room.
Posted by: Drive By
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I had a detective once tell me that it was very rare to find a MENSA card in the wallet of a criminal.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (XeU6L)
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The Miami police chief resolutely refused to go to semi-automatics until one was made double action and voila, Glock got the ATF to declare its new "safe action" as double action only. This led to approval in Miami and then on to a lot of other police departments. They discovered that A) Glocks were cheaper than alternatives, B) required less training than DA/SA, and C) had quicker armorer schools and cheaper spare parts than the competition.
Glock stealing a march on Smith and Wesson on the Glock Fortay in the 90's despite Smith actively working to make it a cartridge made it worse for Smith and Wesson despite the 3rd Generation being probably the apex of reliability and durability for S&W.
That being said, the early Glock 40's were a kludged pos that should have never earned the title of Glock perfection as the chamber rear was left unsupported and Glock had to add a second reinforcing pin over time to stop frames from cracking. S&W 40's of that period demonstrate no such problems (or Rugers/Berettas/Sigs for that matter).
Glock stealing a march on Smith and Wesson on the Glock Fortay in the 90's despite Smith actively working to make it a cartridge made it worse for Smith and Wesson despite the 3rd Generation being probably the apex of reliability and durability for S&W.
That being said, the early Glock 40's were a kludged pos that should have never earned the title of Glock perfection as the chamber rear was left unsupported and Glock had to add a second reinforcing pin over time to stop frames from cracking. S&W 40's of that period demonstrate no such problems (or Rugers/Berettas/Sigs for that matter).
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (JAi95)
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Thanks for not setting the place on fire!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM
Only because it's not Motel 6, Weasel. We blew the candle out.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM
Only because it's not Motel 6, Weasel. We blew the candle out.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (a3Q+t)
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So did a 'smattering' of shooting at the range yesterday. I put another 50 rounds though the new G26 upper slide...still got 1 light primer strike out of 50. So it's still not carry-ready. We'll do another box next week.
Then did some PSA Dagger drills after tightening up the front sight nut. And...it came loose again after less than 50 rounds. Fucking thing. It's about to get Gorilla glued in place. Finished out the box with the CZ P07. The groups with the CZ were just as good as with the PSA Dagger with red dot. Take that for what it's worth.
Did some more Kadet CZ shooting and had no problems with the CCI MiniMags but did have a failure to feed with other ammo. I'm still feeling like it's an ammo problem but more investigations to come in the future. Because I love the Kadet adapter on the CZ P07 and I don't want to stop using it.
Then did some PSA Dagger drills after tightening up the front sight nut. And...it came loose again after less than 50 rounds. Fucking thing. It's about to get Gorilla glued in place. Finished out the box with the CZ P07. The groups with the CZ were just as good as with the PSA Dagger with red dot. Take that for what it's worth.
Did some more Kadet CZ shooting and had no problems with the CCI MiniMags but did have a failure to feed with other ammo. I'm still feeling like it's an ammo problem but more investigations to come in the future. Because I love the Kadet adapter on the CZ P07 and I don't want to stop using it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 17, 2023 09:40 PM (xcxpd)
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I had a detective once tell me that it was very rare to find a MENSA card in the wallet of a criminal.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (XeU6L)
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Now I'm tempted to stick one in my wallet, just in case I turn to a life of crime...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (XeU6L)
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Now I'm tempted to stick one in my wallet, just in case I turn to a life of crime...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 17, 2023 09:41 PM (BpYfr)
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353 The Smith and Wesson Model 14 was produced as an LAPD special, double action only, 6" barrel.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 09:41 PM (0EOe9)
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New 1 and 1/2 hour Archer finale starting in 15 minutes. Hope they don't end on a woke note and also make Archer dumber that they have been doing.
Posted by: Drive By at December 17, 2023 09:41 PM (PCUPG)
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That being said, the early Glock 40's were a kludged pos that should have never earned the title of Glock perfection as the chamber rear was left unsupported and Glock had to add a second reinforcing pin over time to stop frames from cracking. S&W 40's of that period demonstrate no such problems (or Rugers/Berettas/Sigs for that matter).
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (JAi95)
Glock 20 > Glock 22 for .40 S&W...or just in general.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (JAi95)
Glock 20 > Glock 22 for .40 S&W...or just in general.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 17, 2023 09:41 PM (xcxpd)
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Getting a comment in just under the wire.
I did go to the range today and just finished cleaning my flower of 1930s Soviet rifle technology, the M91/30. Not gonna feed it any of my good non-corrosive x54 since that stuff has gone up bigly in price, so it got fed some old 70s (maybe?) Bulgarian (I think?) surplus. It shot...like a Mosin and my shoulder's going to be feeling it for a day or two.
I did go to the range today and just finished cleaning my flower of 1930s Soviet rifle technology, the M91/30. Not gonna feed it any of my good non-corrosive x54 since that stuff has gone up bigly in price, so it got fed some old 70s (maybe?) Bulgarian (I think?) surplus. It shot...like a Mosin and my shoulder's going to be feeling it for a day or two.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at December 17, 2023 09:43 PM (0yjRQ)
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Still don't get if you can load own ammo, you can make your own black rounds.
Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2023 09:43 PM (fwDg9)
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Thanks for the background on the police transition from revolvers to semiautos, Whig. I didn't know how much politics played in that transition, or that S&W started with a lead in the market, but ended up losing it to Glock for reasons that may not be due to the merits of its offerings. Interesting that S&W started out w/ the better design, but Glock won w/ a less than "perfect" product in the end.
Posted by: Ed L at December 17, 2023 09:45 PM (yRXSd)
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had a detective once tell me that it was very rare to find a MENSA card in the wallet of a criminal.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (XeU6L)
The ones who do don't get caught very often. But I give it to them. Once they get to prison they are pretty ingenious.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 17, 2023 09:39 PM (XeU6L)
The ones who do don't get caught very often. But I give it to them. Once they get to prison they are pretty ingenious.
Posted by: Drive By at December 17, 2023 09:45 PM (PCUPG)
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most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)
I've often wondered how he kept it there. Sheer male manliness, I guess.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 17, 2023 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)
I've often wondered how he kept it there. Sheer male manliness, I guess.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:46 PM (sSx7k)
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343 Nope, Saive's Browning High Point was a successful double stack but functioned well only with FMJ at the time before WWII.
Whig, I know you didn't mean that. But I larfed. Out loud.
Posted by: Eromero
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Sometimes my points run into each other. Saive though designed the magazine and more or less made the Browning into what it became rather than the less impressive Browning design (not his fault but due to him trying to fulfill idiotic French Army requests. Arguably, Peter Mauser did it with Mauser rifles (really a stack and half design) as did the Brits with the Lee Enfield mag.
Early High Powers had problems with less than FMJ because the combination of the feeding ramp and the magazine led to less than good feeding. Eventually they got rid of the hump in the feeding ramp somewhere in the late 60's-early 70's which made feeding bullets with profiles different than fmj practical.
Early Sig designs had that issue as well until the early 80's.
Whig, I know you didn't mean that. But I larfed. Out loud.
Posted by: Eromero
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Sometimes my points run into each other. Saive though designed the magazine and more or less made the Browning into what it became rather than the less impressive Browning design (not his fault but due to him trying to fulfill idiotic French Army requests. Arguably, Peter Mauser did it with Mauser rifles (really a stack and half design) as did the Brits with the Lee Enfield mag.
Early High Powers had problems with less than FMJ because the combination of the feeding ramp and the magazine led to less than good feeding. Eventually they got rid of the hump in the feeding ramp somewhere in the late 60's-early 70's which made feeding bullets with profiles different than fmj practical.
Early Sig designs had that issue as well until the early 80's.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:47 PM (JAi95)
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Whitetail hunting with son. Bunch kittehs instead of doggehs.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 09:34 PM (8C7+r)
How do they do with pheasant? Can you see them pointing in the tall grass?
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 09:34 PM (8C7+r)
How do they do with pheasant? Can you see them pointing in the tall grass?
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:48 PM (sSx7k)
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with the .357, if you missed the perp six times you could throw the gun at him.
Police Squad
In COLOR!
with the .357, if you missed the perp six times you could throw the gun at him.
Police Squad
In COLOR!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 17, 2023 09:50 PM (63Dwl)
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OK, thanks again for being here tonight and hope to see you on Christmas Eve!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 09:50 PM (JwHpX)
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Whig @ 375- And that's why I bought an SA 35, even though I have an original High Power.
Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2023 09:51 PM (NxC5+)
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Thanks Weasel!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 17, 2023 09:51 PM (xcxpd)
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348...
Read once that the first order of business after hunting should be to dry off the dogs and feed them a good dinner. The horse, the saddle, the man.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM (MoZTd)
Well,it is called animal husbandry. IIRC, they got dried twice. One before loading up for home, again at home. Mom had a fire going ant they were more interested in a warm snooze. Treats a couple of hours later.
Read once that the first order of business after hunting should be to dry off the dogs and feed them a good dinner. The horse, the saddle, the man.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM (MoZTd)
Well,it is called animal husbandry. IIRC, they got dried twice. One before loading up for home, again at home. Mom had a fire going ant they were more interested in a warm snooze. Treats a couple of hours later.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 09:52 PM (8C7+r)
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Interesting that S&W started out w/ the better design, but Glock won w/ a less than "perfect" product in the end.
Posted by: Ed L
Cost of production of Glocks is a closely guarded secret because they are not publicly traded. My guess was that Glock at the time could sell PD's weapons for 2/3rds or less of what Smith (or Sig or Beretta) could do. Then add in the support package of cheap spare parts, cheaper training, and cheap armorer training, led to PDs stampeding to them. Smith tried to rip off Glock first with its own polymer gun that was so close in tolerances that a lot of Glock parts would fit the Smith. S&W lost a lawsuit to Glock and then cast about desperate to get into the market as 3rd Gen sales slipped while costs mounted due to more expensive materials. Thus you get the P99 partnership with Walther and later the M&P which gave Smith and Wesson their own distinct poly nine which captured a lot of police interest but has faded down the stretch.
Only Sig since the breakthrough military contract right now is seriously affecting Glock's market share but primarily in the civilian market so far.
Posted by: Ed L
Cost of production of Glocks is a closely guarded secret because they are not publicly traded. My guess was that Glock at the time could sell PD's weapons for 2/3rds or less of what Smith (or Sig or Beretta) could do. Then add in the support package of cheap spare parts, cheaper training, and cheap armorer training, led to PDs stampeding to them. Smith tried to rip off Glock first with its own polymer gun that was so close in tolerances that a lot of Glock parts would fit the Smith. S&W lost a lawsuit to Glock and then cast about desperate to get into the market as 3rd Gen sales slipped while costs mounted due to more expensive materials. Thus you get the P99 partnership with Walther and later the M&P which gave Smith and Wesson their own distinct poly nine which captured a lot of police interest but has faded down the stretch.
Only Sig since the breakthrough military contract right now is seriously affecting Glock's market share but primarily in the civilian market so far.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 09:54 PM (JAi95)
383
Good work tonight Weasel.
Posted by: Rancherbob at December 17, 2023 09:54 PM (21WHr)
384
>>> Crossman 740, back when it was a wooden, hardwood stock, with a "tootsie roll" forend and no checkering otherwise. Pump it all the way up to 25, and you could BARELY pull the 20 lb. trigger, which was directly related to the number of pumps fed into the charging system...
Had similar. Never knew what happened to it. Solid steel barrel was nice. Never found out what happened to it.
Got one of the modern cheap crap ones.
Blew out the tube steel barrel liner from pumping it too much.
Pew!
Whole thing flew out.
Had similar. Never knew what happened to it. Solid steel barrel was nice. Never found out what happened to it.
Got one of the modern cheap crap ones.
Blew out the tube steel barrel liner from pumping it too much.
Pew!
Whole thing flew out.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 17, 2023 09:54 PM (cOq4q)
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Howdy again, guys and gals - just checking in. Thanks for not setting the place on fire!
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM
Thanks for another great Gub Thread, Weasel.
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2023 09:30 PM
Thanks for another great Gub Thread, Weasel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 09:55 PM (Wnv9h)
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Did I have BB guns at an early age? Yep
Still have both eyes? Yep
BUT...I still have a scar, from a BB all of the way through my Lip.
Bounced off a tooth, was rolling around inside my mouth,thought I had lost that tooth, the immediate swelling, right after a dramatic spurt of blood was....Impressive.
It raised a nearly egg sized lump in seconds, luckily it was early enough in the day, that with some ice....and hours until supper...the swelling went down enough that Mom believed I had fallen on a stick while wrestling with a brother.
I still have half a dozen BB guns of various sizes and powers, dozens of other peoples kids have learned to shoot with them
Still have both eyes? Yep
BUT...I still have a scar, from a BB all of the way through my Lip.
Bounced off a tooth, was rolling around inside my mouth,thought I had lost that tooth, the immediate swelling, right after a dramatic spurt of blood was....Impressive.
It raised a nearly egg sized lump in seconds, luckily it was early enough in the day, that with some ice....and hours until supper...the swelling went down enough that Mom believed I had fallen on a stick while wrestling with a brother.
I still have half a dozen BB guns of various sizes and powers, dozens of other peoples kids have learned to shoot with them
Posted by: birddog at December 17, 2023 09:55 PM (sYlnp)
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..Whitetail hunting with son. Bunch kittehs instead of doggehs. Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 09:34 PM (8C7+r)
How do they do with pheasant? Can you see them pointing in the tall grass? Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:48 PM (sSx7k)
I never had any luck hunting with bird dogs. Too heavy to throw up high enough to snag anything flying.
/break.
Excellent Gun Thread. Merry (almost) Christmas, Weasel & Y'all !
Jim
Sunk New
Galveston, TX
How do they do with pheasant? Can you see them pointing in the tall grass? Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:48 PM (sSx7k)
I never had any luck hunting with bird dogs. Too heavy to throw up high enough to snag anything flying.
/break.
Excellent Gun Thread. Merry (almost) Christmas, Weasel & Y'all !
Jim
Sunk New
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 17, 2023 09:56 PM (e6UQI)
388
Do you have a larger/higher resolution copy of that Peanuts comic?
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 17, 2023 09:57 PM (qPw5n)
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379 Whig @ 375- And that's why I bought an SA 35, even though I have an original High Power.
Posted by: Eromero
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They look quite nice and the High Power is one of the best at fitting more people's hands with a cheap replacement of grips without having to resort to changeable backstraps etc. The 1911 is another as is the original K Frame Smith revolver.
I toyed with getting another one to match my Argentinian FM High Power and the SA35 has come down quite a bit in price and is more available now. Ended up going a different route and retro with Smith 3rd Generations that I have rebuilt (ex cop guns) as they have a lot in common with Smith and Wesson revolver trigger strokes.
Posted by: Eromero
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They look quite nice and the High Power is one of the best at fitting more people's hands with a cheap replacement of grips without having to resort to changeable backstraps etc. The 1911 is another as is the original K Frame Smith revolver.
I toyed with getting another one to match my Argentinian FM High Power and the SA35 has come down quite a bit in price and is more available now. Ended up going a different route and retro with Smith 3rd Generations that I have rebuilt (ex cop guns) as they have a lot in common with Smith and Wesson revolver trigger strokes.
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Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 17, 2023 10:00 PM (qPw5n)
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Thanks once again for the Gub, Weasel. Sending a scritch to FSJ in doggeh heaven.
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Do you have a larger/higher resolution copy of that Peanuts comic?
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Here. Great PNG.
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Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at December 17, 2023 10:01 PM (2yu8s)
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@393/andycanuck: Thanks!
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 17, 2023 10:04 PM (qPw5n)
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376 How do they do with pheasant? Can you see them pointing in the tall grass?
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:48 PM (sSx7k)
In tall grass you see why they got that name. They mostly flush and retrieve. Rustling grass, the a head pops up. Sometime looking back at you. They might point if they are in really open areas. "Alright, go hunt'em up!" I was running my lol sister's dog, who usually spent her days getting moles and stacking them by the back door. Older brother was breeding Springers and was into the Field Trial circut. They were a sight to behold.
Posted by: GWB at December 17, 2023 09:48 PM (sSx7k)
In tall grass you see why they got that name. They mostly flush and retrieve. Rustling grass, the a head pops up. Sometime looking back at you. They might point if they are in really open areas. "Alright, go hunt'em up!" I was running my lol sister's dog, who usually spent her days getting moles and stacking them by the back door. Older brother was breeding Springers and was into the Field Trial circut. They were a sight to behold.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 10:04 PM (8C7+r)
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372 Thanks for the background on the police transition from revolvers to semiautos, Whig. I didn't know how much politics played in that transition, or that S&W started with a lead in the market, but ended up losing it to Glock for reasons that may not be due to the merits of its offerings. Interesting that S&W started out w/ the better design, but Glock won w/ a less than "perfect" product in the end.
Posted by: Ed L
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I lived through a lot of it but also collect a lot of old handgun books and you can see the battles play out with various big name trainers claiming this or that in their columns.
Massad Ayoob is probably the best capsule historian of the era in his various Combat Handgun Digests (starting with the 5th edition I believe). Those began in the early 80's and provide excellent insight in historical arms that were new at the time---for example the Sig P226 or the Beretta 92. Older firearm books that are useful references include WEB Smith's books, Phil Sharpe's reloading books from the early 50's. and Henry Stebbins Encyclopedia books from the early 60's. Lots of forgotten knowledge in those.
I recommend Chuck Taylor's SMG, Rifle, and Handgun books too.
372 Thanks for the background on the police transition from revolvers to semiautos, Whig. I didn't know how much politics played in that transition, or that S&W started with a lead in the market, but ended up losing it to Glock for reasons that may not be due to the merits of its offerings. Interesting that S&W started out w/ the better design, but Glock won w/ a less than "perfect" product in the end.
Posted by: Ed L
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I lived through a lot of it but also collect a lot of old handgun books and you can see the battles play out with various big name trainers claiming this or that in their columns.
Massad Ayoob is probably the best capsule historian of the era in his various Combat Handgun Digests (starting with the 5th edition I believe). Those began in the early 80's and provide excellent insight in historical arms that were new at the time---for example the Sig P226 or the Beretta 92. Older firearm books that are useful references include WEB Smith's books, Phil Sharpe's reloading books from the early 50's. and Henry Stebbins Encyclopedia books from the early 60's. Lots of forgotten knowledge in those.
I recommend Chuck Taylor's SMG, Rifle, and Handgun books too.
Posted by: whig at December 17, 2023 10:05 PM (JAi95)
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394 @393/andycanuck: Thanks!
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Cheers.
I used Tin Eye Reverse Image Search to find it. A very useful site.
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I used Tin Eye Reverse Image Search to find it. A very useful site.
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@397/andycanuck: And that's one more thing I have to thank you for tonight. Just made sure I had a permanent link to TinEye, so I can use that in future.
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#110 the one in Hondo did, last I looked. Call and ask.
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