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Nation-Building Is Back, And It's Going To Work Just Fine In Gaza...Just Like In Iraq And Afghanistan!
“You have to, therefore, destroy them,” Petraeus said. Israel cannot allow Hamas to reconstitute as a militant group and it also must dismantle the group’s political wing, he argued, adding that military force alone won’t accomplish that goal. “But there are some big ideas missing,” Petraeus said. “You can’t kill or capture your way out of an industrial strength insurgency.” The Hamas challenge echoes what U.S. forces faced in Iraq and Israel should take a similar approach, he said. “The campaign should be a counterinsurgency campaign,” Petraeus said. “Don’t clear and go on. Clear, hold and build.”I cannot write intelligently about General Petraeus' military skills, but anyone who touts "Nation Building" as a strategy after 20+ years of data that show it is a pathetic, expensive, and most of all bloody failure is immediately suspect as a thinker. I do know that he did not comport himself well in his personal life, and his handling of sensitive material may have been flawed. It is also entirely possible that the prosecution and conviction for that behavior was politically based, but that is the risk one takes! Does he not see that trying to manipulate a recalcitrant society into a pie-in-the-sky Jeffersonian democracy is doomed to failure? Counter-insurgency leads to favoring one clan over another, which leads inexorably to all sorts of ridiculous alignments and alliances that cannot last once the occupying power is removed from the equation. But the concept of nation building in Gaza is even more laughable. The two successes of the last 80 years -- Japan and Germany -- were the happy result of many influences, none of which exist in Gaza....yet. The Germans and Japanese were both regimented people with respect for authority. They were also thoroughly cowed by the might of the Allied war effort, and they knew, deep in their bones and their psyches that they and their ideologies had been destroyed. In addition, there was essentially one actor who held power, and that power was absolute. Gaza satisfies none of those prerequisites for nation-building success. The Gazans are a corrupt population without any significant work ethic, without a cohesive society larger than Family and Clan, and their respect for authority rests primarily on the exercise of brutality, and not the political and social structure that buttresses authority in the West. Israel has not yet cowed the Gazans, although the sea change in Israeli political and military doctrine may very well change that dynamic. But the biggest initial difference will be the chaos of a rebuilding effort. Israel will not have the final say in the construction of a civil society in Gaza. The controlling power will be the United States and its "partners" at the UN and in the Arab world. The effort will be a horrific mess of competing interests, corruption, a fierce fight (led by the UN) to return to the status quo ante bellum, and untold billions of American dollars lost in the miasma. The ultimate difference of course is militant Islam. Its goal is the creation of a caliphate, and that drive will not be diminished by some wet dream of a Gazan Singapore, which is a fairy tale anyway. The Gazans had autonomy when Israel withdrew in 2005. What did they do with their freedom?
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Good afternoon everyone
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 12:00 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 10, 2023 12:02 PM (YAtuc)
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What's in it for us?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 10, 2023 12:03 PM (NBVIP)
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* all the cuss words *
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:03 PM (IG4Id)
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Petraeus was compromised by a sex scandal. A relatively benign sex scandal, but a sex scandal nonetheless.
He's now a neutered simp, and I guess he'll say whatever they tell him to say. I doubt anyone really knows what he thinks, and any words attributed to him today are his own thoughts, the same way words mumbled by Joe Biden are his.
He's now a neutered simp, and I guess he'll say whatever they tell him to say. I doubt anyone really knows what he thinks, and any words attributed to him today are his own thoughts, the same way words mumbled by Joe Biden are his.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:04 PM (QBaJw)
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Hilarious that Petraeus would advocate "nation building", considering how well that worked in Iraq (now largely controlled by Iran), and Afghanistan (no comment).
Send in the gender studies majors!
Send in the gender studies majors!
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 10, 2023 12:04 PM (YAtuc)
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What's in it for us?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 10, 2023 12:03 PM (NBVIP)
If you know, you know.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 10, 2023 12:03 PM (NBVIP)
If you know, you know.
Posted by: Raytheon at December 10, 2023 12:05 PM (QBaJw)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:05 PM (IG4Id)
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https://www.frontpagemag.com/
remembering-workplace-terrorism/
Only bringing this up to show you can't take the Islam out of the Muslims. And Islam is the bread and butter government.
remembering-workplace-terrorism/
Only bringing this up to show you can't take the Islam out of the Muslims. And Islam is the bread and butter government.
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 12:05 PM (fwDg9)
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Petraeus has succumbed to too office pussy on the brain.
You know who else broke it and bought it? That's right! General Colin Powell.
You know who else broke it and bought it? That's right! General Colin Powell.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (klzFH)
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Award the Gaza Strip to the United Nations. Tell them they have five years to get the hell out of NYC and to relocate their headquarters to there.
Tell them New York will reclaim title to land and property on which they are squatting at the end of that five years, after which you and yours will be summarily arrested, tried and imprisoned for acts hostile to the United States if you set foot there.
Do it, and mean it.
Award the Gaza Strip to the United Nations. Tell them they have five years to get the hell out of NYC and to relocate their headquarters to there.
Tell them New York will reclaim title to land and property on which they are squatting at the end of that five years, after which you and yours will be summarily arrested, tried and imprisoned for acts hostile to the United States if you set foot there.
Do it, and mean it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (xG4kz)
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Agree with parts, respectfully disagree with others. First, yes Petraeus and his brand of planners are totally discredited by how badly they botched the Iraq project. Oh they had great philosophies, great ideas - and they Failed. MUSERABLY! (Say that with Wallace Shawn's voice) So if I were in Israel's shoes, I would look at whatever he says as a "what NOT to do!" Guide.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:09 PM (S6gqv)
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There's an article today in the Jewish Review of Books about an Orthodox couple who tried to set up Jewish institutions in Neukölln, a Berlin neighborhood with many Arab and Turkish immigrants.
October 7th:
On Saturday, October 7, while we were enjoying Shemini Atzeret, Olli, a burly German-born Jew who runs his own Krav Maga studio and the Jewish community’s most reliable private security business, suddenly knocked on our door to tell us the news. He came inside, removing a bulletproof vest and a body cam from his outfit. We made him a cup of coffee. An unfathomable number of people were being murdered in southern Israel, he said. At the same time, just one hundred meters away from our apartment, the Palestinian organization Samidoun was handing out sweets in celebration.
October 7th:
On Saturday, October 7, while we were enjoying Shemini Atzeret, Olli, a burly German-born Jew who runs his own Krav Maga studio and the Jewish community’s most reliable private security business, suddenly knocked on our door to tell us the news. He came inside, removing a bulletproof vest and a body cam from his outfit. We made him a cup of coffee. An unfathomable number of people were being murdered in southern Israel, he said. At the same time, just one hundred meters away from our apartment, the Palestinian organization Samidoun was handing out sweets in celebration.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 10, 2023 12:09 PM (YAtuc)
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Good luck winning "hearts and minds" of those sworn to destroy you and who teach their kids their religious obligation is to destroy you. No question the future state is a big open question, but need to have basic foundations to build upon.
Posted by: TRex at December 10, 2023 12:09 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Petraeus has succumbed to too much office pussy on the brain.
It's difficult to find a competent editor for less than $19/hr.
It's difficult to find a competent editor for less than $19/hr.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:10 PM (klzFH)
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Nation building is profitable... if you're a politico, MIC contractor or lobbyist for the MIC.
The grifting is spectacular.
The grifting is spectacular.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 10, 2023 12:12 PM (Q4IgG)
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Where I disagree is that I see, right now, Israel creating Facts on the Ground that are not going to be changed, once imposed. Not much of the west even grasps yet how far they have gone.
First thing, even though everyone pays lip service to the idea of some multinational force, not one single country in the world has said they are willing to contribute troops to it. Can you imagine B
First thing, even though everyone pays lip service to the idea of some multinational force, not one single country in the world has said they are willing to contribute troops to it. Can you imagine B
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:12 PM (S6gqv)
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It's difficult to find a competent editor for less than $19/hr.
Posted by: Dr. Bone
Compose on Notepad first, then C&P.
That'll be $45. KTHNXBAI~!
Posted by: Dr. Bone
Compose on Notepad first, then C&P.
That'll be $45. KTHNXBAI~!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:13 PM (IG4Id)
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Argh phone glitch
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:13 PM (S6gqv)
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Petraeus has succumbed to too office pussy on the brain.
You know who else broke it and bought it? That's right! General Colin Powell.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (klzFH)
Biggest difference being, Petraeus was apparently a brilliant military man.
Powell was mostly a phony, a diversity hire.
You know who else broke it and bought it? That's right! General Colin Powell.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (klzFH)
Biggest difference being, Petraeus was apparently a brilliant military man.
Powell was mostly a phony, a diversity hire.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:14 PM (QBaJw)
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Nation building is not doomed to failure.
It worked in the United States, against the Indians. We defeated them, took their land, held it, built it up.
It has worked in other places, done by other people.
You are correct that the Ghazians are not like westerners, but then neither were the American Indians.
The reason nation building failed in Iraq and Afghanistan is because we attempted it from some absurd top and bottom against the middle while standing outside the door position.
We gave local rule to what were supposed to be Westernized locals but were really just local warlords playing a game. We then tried a hearts-and-minds game with the masses, against the resistance of the new rulers we had sanctioned, the local opposition to them, and remnants of the old regime we had never disposed of, along with external rivals. And we did that with rules of engagement guaranteed to not merely make us look weak in the eyes of the people we wanted to influence, but which ensured defeat against the opposition.
Nation building can work, provided the builder is willing to build the nation, rather than just throw money at a subcontractor.
It worked in the United States, against the Indians. We defeated them, took their land, held it, built it up.
It has worked in other places, done by other people.
You are correct that the Ghazians are not like westerners, but then neither were the American Indians.
The reason nation building failed in Iraq and Afghanistan is because we attempted it from some absurd top and bottom against the middle while standing outside the door position.
We gave local rule to what were supposed to be Westernized locals but were really just local warlords playing a game. We then tried a hearts-and-minds game with the masses, against the resistance of the new rulers we had sanctioned, the local opposition to them, and remnants of the old regime we had never disposed of, along with external rivals. And we did that with rules of engagement guaranteed to not merely make us look weak in the eyes of the people we wanted to influence, but which ensured defeat against the opposition.
Nation building can work, provided the builder is willing to build the nation, rather than just throw money at a subcontractor.
Posted by: Sam at December 10, 2023 12:15 PM (ohyxL)
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Petraeus has also made some incredibly wrong statements about how the Ukrainians were going to defeat the Russians. Given this guy's track record, how can anybody take him seriously?
Remember how we once thought Petraeus had a possibility to be President? Let us be grateful that the Deep State took him down.
Remember how we once thought Petraeus had a possibility to be President? Let us be grateful that the Deep State took him down.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 10, 2023 12:15 PM (g4+u8)
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Good post CBD. One slight quibble . The problem isn't just "miltant" Islam, it's Islam in general. In government it produces either tyrants or theocratic tyrants or a combination of the two
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 10, 2023 12:16 PM (0bAao)
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Do it, and mean it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (xG4kz)
Newsletter, subscribed.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (xG4kz)
Newsletter, subscribed.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:16 PM (QBaJw)
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You go in, kill all enemy combatants and anybody giving them aid, seize anything of value as spoils of war, wish them luck in future endeavors, and go home. Easy peasy.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 10, 2023 12:16 PM (0EOe9)
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De-Nazification.
Posted by: It took a while at December 10, 2023 12:17 PM (NBVIP)
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Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (xG4kz)
Seriously. That's 4 years and 51 weeks longer than necessary. 1 week. Be gone entirely. Anyone remaining will be detained and sent to Gaza.
Seriously. That's 4 years and 51 weeks longer than necessary. 1 week. Be gone entirely. Anyone remaining will be detained and sent to Gaza.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:18 PM (YRsIm)
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Anyway can you imagine Biden sending US troops to police Gaza in an election year? BOTH left and right will hate him if he did it, so he doesn't dare. And if the US doesn't go, nobody else in Nato will go.
As Sherlock mythically said , "When you remove all that is impossible, then whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the Truth."
Israel *must* impose at least a 5 year full.military occupation on their own terms, because no other resolution is possible now.
And there will be NO reconstruction. Because no one will pay to do it.
As Sherlock mythically said , "When you remove all that is impossible, then whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the Truth."
Israel *must* impose at least a 5 year full.military occupation on their own terms, because no other resolution is possible now.
And there will be NO reconstruction. Because no one will pay to do it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:18 PM (S6gqv)
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The people of Gaza just want peace!
After they've killed all the Jews, of course.
As if. Once they dispatched the Jews, they'd turn on each other for various and sundry heretical schisms.
After they've killed all the Jews, of course.
As if. Once they dispatched the Jews, they'd turn on each other for various and sundry heretical schisms.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:19 PM (CsUN+)
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>>>Biggest difference being, Petraeus was apparently a brilliant military man.
Powell was mostly a phony, a diversity hire.
Posted by: BurtTC
>True. Don't forget the Neo-con mind-fuck doesn't apply here because the rats are in the basement. Nation building is for losers. Call in the exterminators!
Powell was mostly a phony, a diversity hire.
Posted by: BurtTC
>True. Don't forget the Neo-con mind-fuck doesn't apply here because the rats are in the basement. Nation building is for losers. Call in the exterminators!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:19 PM (klzFH)
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Yeah, recent history totally debunks this notion of nation building. There’s Afghanistan and Iraq… total failures. Don’t forget Somalia… we barely dipped our toe in those waters (papa Bush couldn’t help himself) by trying to temporarily favor one warlord and that got us Black Hawk Down. Seems coincidental that the primary religion in all three places: Islam. Oops! That true of Gaza too…. There was some idiot babbling on in piece this morning linked at RCP about the need for a “2 state solution”… people get paid to write this drivel?? There will never be a palestinian state in Gaza because their populace is incapable of statecraft. Look what they produced from 2005 to 10/7… by their fruits ye shall know them said a wise man.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:20 PM (I/4F+)
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Israel *must* impose at least a 5 year full.military occupation on their own terms, because no other resolution is possible now.
Agree completely.
And there will be NO reconstruction. Because no one will pay to do it.
I think you underestimate the skull density of our ruling class.
Agree completely.
And there will be NO reconstruction. Because no one will pay to do it.
I think you underestimate the skull density of our ruling class.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:20 PM (CsUN+)
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Nation building is not doomed to failure.
It worked in the United States, against the Indians. We defeated them, took their land, held it, built it up.
It has worked in other places, done by other people.
You are correct that the Ghazians are not like westerners, but then neither were the American Indians.
Sam at December 10, 2023 12:15 PM (ohyxL)
Ahhh, you know how well that worked out for the Indians, don't you?
It worked in the United States, against the Indians. We defeated them, took their land, held it, built it up.
It has worked in other places, done by other people.
You are correct that the Ghazians are not like westerners, but then neither were the American Indians.
Sam at December 10, 2023 12:15 PM (ohyxL)
Ahhh, you know how well that worked out for the Indians, don't you?
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 10, 2023 12:20 PM (g4+u8)
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I've written a one-man play. It's an allegory for the military industrial complex:
*Curtain rises*
*Man enters stage right, rubbing his hands, head down. Hears a sound coming from stage left*
Man: Oh! Alas and alack! Someone somewhere in the world is smoking crack!
*Man runs off, stage left*
*Curtain drops*
*Curtain rises*
*Man enters stage right, rubbing his hands, head down. Hears a sound coming from stage left*
Man: Oh! Alas and alack! Someone somewhere in the world is smoking crack!
*Man runs off, stage left*
*Curtain drops*
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:21 PM (QBaJw)
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Israel dare not leave after the fighting is over, because if they Hezbollah and Iran move in immediately and the war is right back on. It's a fantasy to say Gaza can just be left alone, that was the mistake of 2007 - 2023 that led to October 7.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:21 PM (S6gqv)
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Nation building is not doomed to failure. It worked in the United States, against the Indians.
Oh yeah, just look at the teeming success that is every Indian reservation. FFS....
Oh yeah, just look at the teeming success that is every Indian reservation. FFS....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:21 PM (YRsIm)
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Tell me you've never been on a res without saying you've never been on a rez.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:22 PM (S6gqv)
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Nation building can work, provided the builder is willing to build the nation, rather than just throw money at a subcontractor.
Posted by: Sam at December 10, 2023 12:15 PM (ohyxL)
The only way you can build a Nation, is to absolutely destroy the philosophical basis of the old regime.
We did it in Germany by outlawing Nazism... Japan by destroying Shinto... But those were two isolated cultures... where we COULD destroy those philosophies.
No way Israel can destroy Islam... by trying to get rid of it in West bank.
note, this is exactly why we failed in Afghanistan and Iraq. We did NOT enforce our philosophy onto them... hell, their Constitutions invoked Islam.
Posted by: Sam at December 10, 2023 12:15 PM (ohyxL)
The only way you can build a Nation, is to absolutely destroy the philosophical basis of the old regime.
We did it in Germany by outlawing Nazism... Japan by destroying Shinto... But those were two isolated cultures... where we COULD destroy those philosophies.
No way Israel can destroy Islam... by trying to get rid of it in West bank.
note, this is exactly why we failed in Afghanistan and Iraq. We did NOT enforce our philosophy onto them... hell, their Constitutions invoked Islam.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 10, 2023 12:22 PM (xaFKb)
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Building someone else's nation somewhere else so that it looks like your own is practically the definition of colonialism.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 10, 2023 12:22 PM (9UlRk)
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>True. Don't forget the Neo-con mind-fuck doesn't apply here because the rats are in the basement. Nation building is for losers. Call in the exterminators!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:19 PM (klzFH)
I do think the open question is, were the neocons ever really interested in nation building, or was it all always just a get rich quick scheme?
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:19 PM (klzFH)
I do think the open question is, were the neocons ever really interested in nation building, or was it all always just a get rich quick scheme?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:23 PM (QBaJw)
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You can’t win “hearts & minds” while killing them at the same time
Posted by: Creek at December 10, 2023 12:24 PM (29OXW)
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General Petraeus please point to modern day arab/muslim success story of your proposed counterinsurgency strategy.
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:25 PM (V13WU)
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Building someone else's nation somewhere else so that it looks like your own is practically the definition of colonialism.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 10, 2023 12:22 PM (9UlRk)
If the template is Germany and Japan, those were already highly advanced nations, with just a few teensy weensy flaws.
We weren't really nation-building, so much as we were saying "we'll help you get on your feet again, just don't do what you were doing before that brought us here in the first place."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 10, 2023 12:22 PM (9UlRk)
If the template is Germany and Japan, those were already highly advanced nations, with just a few teensy weensy flaws.
We weren't really nation-building, so much as we were saying "we'll help you get on your feet again, just don't do what you were doing before that brought us here in the first place."
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:25 PM (QBaJw)
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"I think you underestimate the skull density of our ruling class.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:20 PM (CsUN+)
I try not to, and I know they would want to if they could. But in the bigger picture, I think the entire world is entering a period where there isn't going to be free money sloshing around for things like that anymore. There will be some rebuilding; but Gaza City is now completely wrecked, and I see it staying a ruin for decades to come.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:20 PM (CsUN+)
I try not to, and I know they would want to if they could. But in the bigger picture, I think the entire world is entering a period where there isn't going to be free money sloshing around for things like that anymore. There will be some rebuilding; but Gaza City is now completely wrecked, and I see it staying a ruin for decades to come.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:26 PM (S6gqv)
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Germany and Japan had both taken huge losses (36% and 24% respectively) among the trouble-causing demographic, military age males. As I've said before, you can only really change the mindset when roughly a third of them are dead. I doubt it's anything like that in Gaza.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:27 PM (CsUN+)
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And if we're using the Japan/Germany template, Step 1 is "Destroy them and their will to fight, completely."
Skipping Step 1 is going to cause your whole operation to fail.
Skipping Step 1 is going to cause your whole operation to fail.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:27 PM (QBaJw)
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Some wild-ass old white guy said something along the lines of 'our constitution is only suited for a Christian nation of moral people, something something...it's wholly unfit for any other...' or some thing like that.
Like he knew.
Like he knew.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (YRsIm)
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Israel creating Facts on the Ground that are not going to be changed, once imposed. Not much of the west even grasps yet how far they have gone.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:12 PM (S6gqv)
I think that you are correct, but I also think that the world is going to try very hard to return Gaza to its former attitudes. Israel will be demonized, and its efforts to cleanse Gaza of the filth will be fought at every turn.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:12 PM (S6gqv)
I think that you are correct, but I also think that the world is going to try very hard to return Gaza to its former attitudes. Israel will be demonized, and its efforts to cleanse Gaza of the filth will be fought at every turn.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (sM1IA)
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The mere mention of the name Petraeus annoys me because I got conned by the media…. He was portrayed as a modern-day warrior-philosopher in the mold of Marcus Aurelius…. Oh and he ran 6 miles a day with his troops too. And then I find out he’s just as shallow and stupid as any 19 year old kid who’s beguiled by a nice piece of tail…. And in his case it was married tail. General: You’re no Marcus Aurelius — Lloyd Bentsen
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (I/4F+)
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this is why he got blown up by my aq sleeper agent in my novel, I call him general Maecenas, but likewise very clear,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:29 PM (PXvVL)
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Israel has been forced into that suicidal thinking by the West, and is now paying the price. Sure, let's let PLO back in..and they will reform ! let's let 20k gazans in to allow them to work and they will give up murdering jews for a peaceful coexistence !..let's let thousands of fatah in for work, and will forget about murdering jews !
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:30 PM (V13WU)
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If I want to beta-test a weapons system, I'm calling up the Israelis and taking notes.
We're getting pretty good at this.
We're getting pretty good at this.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:30 PM (klzFH)
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The problem isn't just "miltant" Islam, it's Islam in general. In government it produces either tyrants or theocratic tyrants or a combination of the two
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 10, 2023 12:16 PM (0bAao)
Agreed.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 10, 2023 12:16 PM (0bAao)
Agreed.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2023 12:30 PM (sM1IA)
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I do think the open question is, were the neocons ever really interested in nation building, or was it all always just a get rich quick scheme?
Posted by: BurtTC
Neo-marxism vs. nuFascism, the post modern tension.
The neo-marxist programming is nation-building, that which the idiots have to accept as a belief. The nuFascism is the goal of programmers, a system to keep them in power and in wealth. Neocons think they are the programmers, but they aren't. They are pawns told to accept the programming by the programmers.
Posted by: BurtTC
Neo-marxism vs. nuFascism, the post modern tension.
The neo-marxist programming is nation-building, that which the idiots have to accept as a belief. The nuFascism is the goal of programmers, a system to keep them in power and in wealth. Neocons think they are the programmers, but they aren't. They are pawns told to accept the programming by the programmers.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:31 PM (IG4Id)
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Some wild-ass old white guy said something along the lines of 'our constitution is only suited for a Christian nation of moral people, something something...it's wholly unfit for any other...' or some thing like that.
Like he knew.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (YRsIm)
We are a racist nation, as you know.
Nobody wants to hear what white people had to say anymore. Even and especially, the white people who still hold power.
Like he knew.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (YRsIm)
We are a racist nation, as you know.
Nobody wants to hear what white people had to say anymore. Even and especially, the white people who still hold power.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:31 PM (QBaJw)
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I think the real tell-tail will be how long before people everywhere grow disinterested and distracted by other events, things, issues, whatever and the whole Israeli - Hamas conflict is relegated to some proverbial back burner.
Because this is what happens in nearly every instance.
At that point the entire reason for the war in the first place ceases to exist.
Because this is what happens in nearly every instance.
At that point the entire reason for the war in the first place ceases to exist.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 10, 2023 12:31 PM (Q4IgG)
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Like I've said before ship all the free Palestine American college kids over to Gaza and give them shovels. Let them nation build.
Posted by: nckate at December 10, 2023 12:32 PM (SnxUt)
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Israel is in the process of throwing the UN and all of its agencies out of Gaza completely. The UN High Commisoner for Humanitarian Relief has been given 2 weeks to leave Gaza or be forcibly deported. Another UN commissioner was complaining yesterday that the IDF has destroyed over 80 UN affiliated compounds in Gaza already.
The IDF released video showing a UNRWA building which it had captured which was packed full of ready to fire Hamas missiles.
The IDF released video showing a UNRWA building which it had captured which was packed full of ready to fire Hamas missiles.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:32 PM (S6gqv)
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Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (I/4F+)
Are you sure that's not General Mattis?
Are you sure that's not General Mattis?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:32 PM (YRsIm)
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The reason nation building failed in Iraq and Afghanistan is because we attempted it from some absurd top and bottom against the middle while standing outside the door position.
It did not help that State Department fools were simultaneously delivering "training" in the value for adopting the Alphabet Mafia's agenda to the beknighted locals and flying Pride flags at U.S. properties throughout those countries. The whole exercise was cultural imperialism at its worst - an inverted case of General Napier and the advocates for suttee --
USAID worker: "In our country we celebrate open and public displays of affection and copulation between two members of the same sex. These are acts that demonstrate how our society is the apex of civilization."
Afghanis and Iraqis: “Be it so. Such public perversions are your custom. But our nation has also a custom. When men and women perform unnatural acts in public we provide them with free flying lessons from tall structures. We shall therefore select locations from which to throw all concerned. Let us all act according to national customs."
The reason nation building failed in Iraq and Afghanistan is because we attempted it from some absurd top and bottom against the middle while standing outside the door position.
It did not help that State Department fools were simultaneously delivering "training" in the value for adopting the Alphabet Mafia's agenda to the beknighted locals and flying Pride flags at U.S. properties throughout those countries. The whole exercise was cultural imperialism at its worst - an inverted case of General Napier and the advocates for suttee --
USAID worker: "In our country we celebrate open and public displays of affection and copulation between two members of the same sex. These are acts that demonstrate how our society is the apex of civilization."
Afghanis and Iraqis: “Be it so. Such public perversions are your custom. But our nation has also a custom. When men and women perform unnatural acts in public we provide them with free flying lessons from tall structures. We shall therefore select locations from which to throw all concerned. Let us all act according to national customs."
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:33 PM (xG4kz)
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From Insty:
Both NYT and SNL report that Republicans are pouncing and seizing on the Ivy League's self-immolation. No, I'm not kidding.
Both NYT and SNL report that Republicans are pouncing and seizing on the Ivy League's self-immolation. No, I'm not kidding.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:33 PM (CsUN+)
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Another UN commissioner was complaining yesterday that the IDF has destroyed over 80 UN affiliated compounds in Gaza already.
UN affiliated ? You mean Hamas affiliated
UN affiliated ? You mean Hamas affiliated
Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2023 12:34 PM (n2vyf)
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And then I find out he’s just as shallow and stupid as any 19 year old kid who’s beguiled by a nice piece of tail…. And in his case it was married tail. General: You’re no Marcus Aurelius — Lloyd Bentsen
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (I/4F+)
I think it's possible to be both good at your job, AND be enticed like a 19 year old by a nice piece of tail.
Don't ask me how I know.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (I/4F+)
I think it's possible to be both good at your job, AND be enticed like a 19 year old by a nice piece of tail.
Don't ask me how I know.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:34 PM (QBaJw)
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Still thinking at some point soon the Globalists will beg countries to take in Palestinians
And realize there is no real Palestinians, their just Arabs or whatever
And realize there is no real Palestinians, their just Arabs or whatever
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 12:34 PM (fwDg9)
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he thought giving money to tribal chiefs would solve the problem, well half did, half became islamic state, it didn't work in algeria, why did he think it would work here,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:34 PM (PXvVL)
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You forgot how well nation building worked in Vietnam.
It worked in Germany because there was an educated European tradition to build on. It worked well in Japan because there was an educated populace and damned strong intelligent leadership (McArthur) to make it work.
Gaza? If the Israelis want to try, good luck. The US should stay well out of it (as we should have been doing since October 7).
It worked in Germany because there was an educated European tradition to build on. It worked well in Japan because there was an educated populace and damned strong intelligent leadership (McArthur) to make it work.
Gaza? If the Israelis want to try, good luck. The US should stay well out of it (as we should have been doing since October 7).
Posted by: coarsehair at December 10, 2023 12:35 PM (AGrHR)
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UN affiliated ? You mean Hamas affiliated
Posted by: It's me donna
Distinction without a proverbial difference. As the kids say.
Posted by: It's me donna
Distinction without a proverbial difference. As the kids say.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:35 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:35 PM (YRsIm)
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The neo-marxist programming is nation-building, that which the idiots have to accept as a belief. The nuFascism is the goal of programmers, a system to keep them in power and in wealth. Neocons think they are the programmers, but they aren't. They are pawns told to accept the programming by the programmers.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:31 PM (IG4Id)
I'm sure that's true, at least for some. I just don't know how true it was for all. Especially during the Reagan era, which was the breeding ground for many of these people who became the property of the programmers.
I'm just not sure that's true for the old-timers and the true believers though. Some of them have been around since the 60s.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:31 PM (IG4Id)
I'm sure that's true, at least for some. I just don't know how true it was for all. Especially during the Reagan era, which was the breeding ground for many of these people who became the property of the programmers.
I'm just not sure that's true for the old-timers and the true believers though. Some of them have been around since the 60s.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:36 PM (QBaJw)
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Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:34 PM (QBaJw)
How do you know? ;-)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:35 PM (YRsIm)
Oh well, see, there was this wo.....
Hey, wait a minute.
How do you know? ;-)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:35 PM (YRsIm)
Oh well, see, there was this wo.....
Hey, wait a minute.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:37 PM (QBaJw)
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why haven't the other two , Harvard and MIT presidents reigned ? go already.
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:38 PM (V13WU)
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“But there are some big ideas missing,” Petraeus said. “You can’t kill or capture your way out of an industrial strength insurgency.” The Hamas challenge echoes what U.S. forces faced in Iraq and Israel should take a similar approach, he said.
I've met Patraeus a couple of times over the span of our respective careers. He is a very bright guy. But in this he is wrong. Just...wrong.
Taking the second first...I would not be touting anything we did in Iraq as a way to go forward. Iraq today is no one's idea of a success story.
And the first...I believe you can indeed kill and capture your way out of what he calls an industrial strength insurgency...for the basic reason this in not an insurgency. It is war. Total war. Victory lays in the side that can crush the other's will and ability to continue.
Do not clear, hold and build. Instead clear, hold and clear some more. Build later when the clearing is done.
I've met Patraeus a couple of times over the span of our respective careers. He is a very bright guy. But in this he is wrong. Just...wrong.
Taking the second first...I would not be touting anything we did in Iraq as a way to go forward. Iraq today is no one's idea of a success story.
And the first...I believe you can indeed kill and capture your way out of what he calls an industrial strength insurgency...for the basic reason this in not an insurgency. It is war. Total war. Victory lays in the side that can crush the other's will and ability to continue.
Do not clear, hold and build. Instead clear, hold and clear some more. Build later when the clearing is done.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2023 12:38 PM (W/lyH)
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I think the real tell-tail will be how long before people everywhere grow disinterested and distracted by other events, things, issues, whatever and the whole Israeli - Hamas conflict is relegated to some proverbial back burner.
Because this is what happens in nearly every instance.
At that point the entire reason for the war in the first place ceases to exist.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 10, 2023 12:31 PM (Q4IgG)
So... it would be EXTREMELY selfish to want the conflict to continue for some time, because it would delay the onset of Covid 23.
Which you know is coming.
Because this is what happens in nearly every instance.
At that point the entire reason for the war in the first place ceases to exist.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 10, 2023 12:31 PM (Q4IgG)
So... it would be EXTREMELY selfish to want the conflict to continue for some time, because it would delay the onset of Covid 23.
Which you know is coming.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:39 PM (QBaJw)
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Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:28 PM (I/4F+)
Are you sure that's not General Mattis?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:32 PM (YRsIm)
Both? I think they were both portrayed similarly
Are you sure that's not General Mattis?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:32 PM (YRsIm)
Both? I think they were both portrayed similarly
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:39 PM (I/4F+)
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A sign the West is already becoming disinterested is that reporting on the war is rapidly drying up as Israel moves closer to victory. A story you won't find in any American media (at least I can't find it) - earlier today, the entire Jabaliyah battalion, the largest remaining group of organized Hamas fighters in the north, surrendered en masse. IDF reports that interviews with the prisoners revealed that they had lost all communication with Hamas leadership, and had been left completely on their own.
Implication is that Hamas leadership is now in hiding and concerned only with trying to survive.
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Implication is that Hamas leadership is now in hiding and concerned only with trying to survive.
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Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:39 PM (S6gqv)
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hiding in a bunker? detached from reality ??
you know who else hid in a bunker and denied reality ??
hiding in a bunker? detached from reality ??
you know who else hid in a bunker and denied reality ??
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:40 PM (V13WU)
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Just stop with all the feel good, plastic banana rock n roll nation building crap. Doesn't work with savages.
Turn Gaza into a wildlife refuge, no overnight camping allowed.
Turn Gaza into a wildlife refuge, no overnight camping allowed.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 10, 2023 12:41 PM (R/m4+)
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Afghanis and Iraqis: “Be it so. Such public perversions are your custom. But our nation has also a custom. When men and women perform unnatural acts in public we provide them with free flying lessons from tall structures. We shall therefore select locations from which to throw all concerned. Let us all act according to national customs."
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:33 PM (xG4kz)
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Muhammad Ali Napier?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:33 PM (xG4kz)
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Muhammad Ali Napier?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at December 10, 2023 12:41 PM (ScR16)
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The big cease fire rallies have mostly run their course. They badly overplayed their hand.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:41 PM (S6gqv)
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I am simply kinda guy. Gaza must be emptied and leveled and never to rise again.
Where does the population go? Not my problem, let the Arabs with all that empty land all that oil money worry about it.
Let Disney build Israel- Disney there....without the fag throwing off tall buildings of course.
I am a tad nasty this AM, went grocery shopping for the wife and holly fuck are things expensive.
Where does the population go? Not my problem, let the Arabs with all that empty land all that oil money worry about it.
Let Disney build Israel- Disney there....without the fag throwing off tall buildings of course.
I am a tad nasty this AM, went grocery shopping for the wife and holly fuck are things expensive.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 12:41 PM (PQ4m2)
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Are you sure that's not General Mattis?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:32 PM (YRsIm)
Both? I think they were both portrayed similarly
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:39 PM (I/4F+)
Differences: 1. Petraeus was actually competent. 2. Mattis is a flaming homo.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:32 PM (YRsIm)
Both? I think they were both portrayed similarly
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 10, 2023 12:39 PM (I/4F+)
Differences: 1. Petraeus was actually competent. 2. Mattis is a flaming homo.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:42 PM (QBaJw)
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One thing I noticed in footage from Afghanistan was the lack of signs when troops were going through a town. Sign of illiteracy, like in the middle ages you would hang a picture of a shoe over your door if you were a cobbler. I haven't seen much of Gaza that the good guys haven't wrecked but I bet it's about the same.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 10, 2023 12:42 PM (0EOe9)
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79 The big cease fire rallies have mostly run their course. They badly overplayed their hand.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:41 PM (S6gqv)
Pro Pali Graffiti on churches in Calif will not go over well.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:41 PM (S6gqv)
Pro Pali Graffiti on churches in Calif will not go over well.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 10, 2023 12:43 PM (xaFKb)
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So... it would be EXTREMELY selfish to want the conflict to continue for some time, because it would delay the onset of Covid 23.
Which you know is coming.
Posted by: BurtTC
Coof 23 is in the wings backstage, pacing and pissed ... PISSED ... that its curtain call continues to be postponed for the shenanigans of "those pasty Pali pussies" (Coof's words, not mine!)
So... it would be EXTREMELY selfish to want the conflict to continue for some time, because it would delay the onset of Covid 23.
Which you know is coming.
Posted by: BurtTC
Coof 23 is in the wings backstage, pacing and pissed ... PISSED ... that its curtain call continues to be postponed for the shenanigans of "those pasty Pali pussies" (Coof's words, not mine!)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:43 PM (xG4kz)
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MIT loves their President because he has very good ties to Qatar and brings in lots of money and rich Arab students who pay full tuition, which supports everything else MIT does.
Its been taken over by Islamists.
Its been taken over by Islamists.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:44 PM (S6gqv)
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Turn Gaza into a wildlife refuge, no overnight camping allowed.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 10, 2023 12:41 PM (R/m4+)
Import lions, their numbers are dwindling way too fast in many parts of Africa.
But what would the lions do for food.....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 10, 2023 12:41 PM (R/m4+)
Import lions, their numbers are dwindling way too fast in many parts of Africa.
But what would the lions do for food.....
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:44 PM (QBaJw)
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"I do think the open question is, were the neocons ever really interested in nation building, or was it all always just a get rich quick scheme?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:23 PM (QBaJw)"
where we now stand I'm'a say probably grift, covered with a sorta-plausible lie designed to appeal to idealistic American patriots.
(like so many, many other things ... )
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:23 PM (QBaJw)"
where we now stand I'm'a say probably grift, covered with a sorta-plausible lie designed to appeal to idealistic American patriots.
(like so many, many other things ... )
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at December 10, 2023 12:44 PM (zer5o)
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Optics look bad for MIT and Harvard firing their presidents. UPenn wasn't.
Posted by: nckate at December 10, 2023 12:45 PM (SnxUt)
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Coof 23 is in the wings backstage, pacing and pissed ... PISSED ... that its curtain call continues to be postponed for the shenanigans of "those pasty Pali pussies" (Coof's words, not mine!)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:43 PM (xG4kz)
One thing you can certainly count on from the Coof, it's wording will NOT be politically correct.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:43 PM (xG4kz)
One thing you can certainly count on from the Coof, it's wording will NOT be politically correct.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:45 PM (QBaJw)
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I'm just not sure that's true for the old-timers and the true believers though. Some of them have been around since the 60s.
Posted by: BurtTC
'True Believers' by definition are programmed, whether by old school ideals or new school optimism. Neocons are a mix of true believers ( some out of desperation, some out of pathology ) and cynics. I think Podhoretz is a sociopath.
Posted by: BurtTC
'True Believers' by definition are programmed, whether by old school ideals or new school optimism. Neocons are a mix of true believers ( some out of desperation, some out of pathology ) and cynics. I think Podhoretz is a sociopath.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (IG4Id)
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One of the best things that could come out of this whole affair is that American Jews will finally open their eyes. Not all of them, of course. Some are just irretrievably stupid.
For two months, Gay faced fierce backlash over the University’s initial response to the Israel-Hamas war and what critics have called a failure to combat antisemitism and Islamophobia on campus. But until Tuesday, Gay’s job security never seemed to be in question.
Sensing the precarity of Gay’s position following Magill’s resignation, some Harvard faculty members took to social media Saturday evening to express support for Gay and fill the void left by the Corporation’s public silence.
Benjamin Eidelson, a professor at Harvard Law School, wrote in a post on X that he was “dismayed by Liz Magill’s resignation.”
“I so hope that Claudine Gay @Harvard will not follow,” Eidelson wrote. “I fear too few of us have said what many of us think: She did nothing wrong, & the real failure of leadership would be surrendering to a campaign so hostile to our values.”
I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
For two months, Gay faced fierce backlash over the University’s initial response to the Israel-Hamas war and what critics have called a failure to combat antisemitism and Islamophobia on campus. But until Tuesday, Gay’s job security never seemed to be in question.
Sensing the precarity of Gay’s position following Magill’s resignation, some Harvard faculty members took to social media Saturday evening to express support for Gay and fill the void left by the Corporation’s public silence.
Benjamin Eidelson, a professor at Harvard Law School, wrote in a post on X that he was “dismayed by Liz Magill’s resignation.”
“I so hope that Claudine Gay @Harvard will not follow,” Eidelson wrote. “I fear too few of us have said what many of us think: She did nothing wrong, & the real failure of leadership would be surrendering to a campaign so hostile to our values.”
I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
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We had a free Palestine/cease fire protest yesterday. The news reported several dozens attended. People are losing interest looks like.
Posted by: nckate at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (SnxUt)
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>>>hiding in a bunker? detached from reality ??
you know who else hid in a bunker and denied reality ??
Posted by: runner
>Hussein Obama? This guy is allowing Sleepy Joe to shit all over his legacy and he hides from the world like he hides when Michelle is ovulating.
you know who else hid in a bunker and denied reality ??
Posted by: runner
>Hussein Obama? This guy is allowing Sleepy Joe to shit all over his legacy and he hides from the world like he hides when Michelle is ovulating.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (klzFH)
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It seems to me that Hamas can't be destroyed unless the head of the snake gets cut off. What's happening with Hamas leadership?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (hCt6Y)
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hey now, Penn person resigned !
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (V13WU)
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Benjamin Eidelson, a professor at Harvard Law School, wrote in a post on X that he was “dismayed by Liz Magill’s resignation.”
“I so hope that Claudine Gay @Harvard will not follow,” Eidelson wrote. “I fear too few of us have said what many of us think: She did nothing wrong, & the real failure of leadership would be surrendering to a campaign so hostile to our values.”
I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
Typical left wing Jew Judenrat and JINO. His "religion" is left wing politics and socialism
“I so hope that Claudine Gay @Harvard will not follow,” Eidelson wrote. “I fear too few of us have said what many of us think: She did nothing wrong, & the real failure of leadership would be surrendering to a campaign so hostile to our values.”
I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
Typical left wing Jew Judenrat and JINO. His "religion" is left wing politics and socialism
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (PQ4m2)
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where we now stand I'm'a say probably grift, covered with a sorta-plausible lie designed to appeal to idealistic American patriots.
(like so many, many other things ... )
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at December 10, 2023 12:44 PM (zer5o)
It might not matter. I could see though, Rumsfeld being genuinely believing he can remake the world in an image that is very much of a Kissinger style point of view.
Whereas guys like Bolton and Wolfowitz were just all about the grift and graft, from Day 1.
(like so many, many other things ... )
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at December 10, 2023 12:44 PM (zer5o)
It might not matter. I could see though, Rumsfeld being genuinely believing he can remake the world in an image that is very much of a Kissinger style point of view.
Whereas guys like Bolton and Wolfowitz were just all about the grift and graft, from Day 1.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (QBaJw)
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as I recall he was sanguine about the Arab Spring, which was a color revolution, that worked better than direct action in Tunisia Egypt and Libya, less well elsewhere,
the likes of wolfowitz really did believe you could import a democratic element, seeing what had happened in indonesia and other places, but 1) they did it wrong, see debaathification 2) Saddam's tikriti mob had hollowed out the foundations of the country,
the likes of wolfowitz really did believe you could import a democratic element, seeing what had happened in indonesia and other places, but 1) they did it wrong, see debaathification 2) Saddam's tikriti mob had hollowed out the foundations of the country,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (PXvVL)
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The US has been obsessed with building back since WW2. It worked in France and European nations because they had a functioning society before the war broke out. So the population and remnant government was fine with working with the US. Gaza is a lost cause, in my Opinion. Look at the education the youth get. Nothing but hate, sponsored by the UN.
I will not support any effort to rebuild. End of Story. The Middle East needs to decide they will be a positive force in the future, not a death cult.
I will not support any effort to rebuild. End of Story. The Middle East needs to decide they will be a positive force in the future, not a death cult.
Posted by: Picric at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (HzuMl)
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It seems to me that Hamas can't be destroyed unless the head of the snake gets cut off. What's happening with Hamas leadership?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (hCt6Y)
I think Joe Bitme and Barack Obongo are having lunch as I type this at the white house.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (hCt6Y)
I think Joe Bitme and Barack Obongo are having lunch as I type this at the white house.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 10, 2023 12:49 PM (R/m4+)
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hey now, Penn person resigned !
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (V13WU)
From the "presidency" but she is still on staff as a tenured prof.
hey now, Penn person resigned !
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (V13WU)
From the "presidency" but she is still on staff as a tenured prof.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 12:49 PM (PQ4m2)
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Oh, FFS!
Can anyone anywhere make the argument that nation building in Iraq or Afghanistan was a big success?
The key problem is and will continue to be the existence of islam.
And welp, no one is talking about destroying islam in the same manner or with the same brutality that it took to eliminate the Emperor's divinity in Japan.
My advice, which won't happen is simply to conquer Gaza and drive the Gaza's out. Claim it is now part of Israel forever.
War often involves the loss of territory and guess what? This one does too, should be the answer.
Also, let the surrounding countries know that the Gazans are now their problem and if the Israelis have to come into their countries to control Hamas or whoever, that they will lose territory as well.
The incentive game needs to change for peace to happen.
Can anyone anywhere make the argument that nation building in Iraq or Afghanistan was a big success?
The key problem is and will continue to be the existence of islam.
And welp, no one is talking about destroying islam in the same manner or with the same brutality that it took to eliminate the Emperor's divinity in Japan.
My advice, which won't happen is simply to conquer Gaza and drive the Gaza's out. Claim it is now part of Israel forever.
War often involves the loss of territory and guess what? This one does too, should be the answer.
Also, let the surrounding countries know that the Gazans are now their problem and if the Israelis have to come into their countries to control Hamas or whoever, that they will lose territory as well.
The incentive game needs to change for peace to happen.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 10, 2023 12:50 PM (QzZeQ)
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'True Believers' by definition are programmed, whether by old school ideals or new school optimism. Neocons are a mix of true believers ( some out of desperation, some out of pathology ) and cynics. I think Podhoretz is a sociopath.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (IG4Id)
That's another distinction then, those who actually held power (even the underlings in various administrations), and those who made careers out of sitting on the sidelines, barking.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (IG4Id)
That's another distinction then, those who actually held power (even the underlings in various administrations), and those who made careers out of sitting on the sidelines, barking.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:50 PM (QBaJw)
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Maybe the Gazans need to ask Haniyah, Sinwar and Marzouk to cough up some of their billons
Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2023 12:50 PM (mrWsz)
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It seems to me that Hamas can't be destroyed unless the head of the snake gets cut off. What's happening with Hamas leadership?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (hCt6Y)
Israel has sworn to kill them. They will, but this stuff does not happen overnight.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (hCt6Y)
Israel has sworn to kill them. They will, but this stuff does not happen overnight.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 12:51 PM (PQ4m2)
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A lesson from history; Arab countries have never been able to rule themselves except for a few successful monarchies, and military figures like Sadat or al-Sisi. It's not the system, it's the people - over the last century, Egypt (for example) has tried socialism, communism, democracy, theocracy- all failed and they're back to a military dictator who keeps a lid on things for his own safeties sake. Other than that, for thousands of years the only stability in the region comes when there is a large empire willing to use outside troops to keep the locals in line.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:52 PM (S6gqv)
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the likes of wolfowitz really did believe you could import a democratic element, seeing what had happened in indonesia and other places, but 1) they did it wrong, see debaathification 2) Saddam's tikriti mob had hollowed out the foundations of the country,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (PXvVL)
I didn't understand at the time, how Wolfowitz could go from being #2 at the DoD, to being President (or whatever) of the World Bank.
I get it now. It had nothing to do with anything resembling principles.
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (PXvVL)
I didn't understand at the time, how Wolfowitz could go from being #2 at the DoD, to being President (or whatever) of the World Bank.
I get it now. It had nothing to do with anything resembling principles.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:53 PM (QBaJw)
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I have a suggestion, let's stop looking for Jewish names among people saying stupid, destructive things. Because, we all know how many Barack Obamas, and Joe Bidens and Kevin McCarthys, and Mitch McConnells there are.
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:53 PM (V13WU)
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you know where it's really peaceful? Graveyards. Just a hint to Israel on how to leave Gaza.
Posted by: Wingnutt at December 10, 2023 12:54 PM (fsfl0)
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I don't think the UPenn woman was 'fired, fired'. Seems like she's gonna stay on until a new person can fill her role, and she's still on staff as a professor at their business law school.
Yeah, UPenn is really serious about their commitment to eradicate antisemitism.
Yeah, UPenn is really serious about their commitment to eradicate antisemitism.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:54 PM (YRsIm)
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The highest Hamas leader in Gaza now is Sinwar - the IDF believes he in a bunker underneath Khan Younis and they are close to surrounding the position, but they cannot reach him yet. Hitler in the Bunker indeed, as the Red Army comes charging in.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 12:55 PM (S6gqv)
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The US has been obsessed with building back since WW2. It worked in France and European nations because they had a functioning society before the war broke out. So the population and remnant government was fine with working with the US. Gaza is a lost cause, in my Opinion. Look at the education the youth get. Nothing but hate, sponsored by the UN.
I will not support any effort to rebuild. End of Story. The Middle East needs to decide they will be a positive force in the future, not a death cult.
Posted by: Picric at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (HzuMl)
I believe it's been argued, Greece is where the efforts of the U.S. of A. went from being that of genuinely wanting to help other nations rebuild after the war, to being a selfish using of those people as pawns in the decades long wrasslin match with the commies.
Whatever moral authority we had, ended there.
I will not support any effort to rebuild. End of Story. The Middle East needs to decide they will be a positive force in the future, not a death cult.
Posted by: Picric at December 10, 2023 12:48 PM (HzuMl)
I believe it's been argued, Greece is where the efforts of the U.S. of A. went from being that of genuinely wanting to help other nations rebuild after the war, to being a selfish using of those people as pawns in the decades long wrasslin match with the commies.
Whatever moral authority we had, ended there.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:55 PM (QBaJw)
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Germany was a western nation and Japan had imported some western ideas. Both had some idea of consensual government. Neither is true anywhere in the Middle East except for Israel.
Posted by: David Hoffman at December 10, 2023 12:56 PM (Wwy0e)
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Bulldoze Gaza and send the inhabitants to other Arab countries. Israel takes over the land and turns it into a vibrant, productive, beautiful place for Israelis to live and work and vacation.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 10, 2023 12:56 PM (issyS)
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Can Penn survive without a president ??
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:56 PM (V13WU)
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I don't think the UPenn woman was 'fired, fired'. Seems like she's gonna stay on until a new person can fill her role, and she's still on staff as a professor at their business law school.
Yeah, UPenn is really serious about their commitment to eradicate antisemitism.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
Sadly, I expected them to do this. Or they'll go to another university. Or magically get a position with a think tank or NGO. It's what they do.
Yeah, UPenn is really serious about their commitment to eradicate antisemitism.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
Sadly, I expected them to do this. Or they'll go to another university. Or magically get a position with a think tank or NGO. It's what they do.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 10, 2023 12:57 PM (R4t5M)
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What's happening with Hamas leadership?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (hCt6Y)
Israel has sworn to kill them. They will, but this stuff does not happen overnight.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 12:51 PM (PQ4m2)
Not as long as they stay in Qatar. Qatar is a protectorate of the U.S. of A. Among others.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 12:47 PM (hCt6Y)
Israel has sworn to kill them. They will, but this stuff does not happen overnight.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 12:51 PM (PQ4m2)
Not as long as they stay in Qatar. Qatar is a protectorate of the U.S. of A. Among others.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:57 PM (QBaJw)
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well they blocked him and they put a fannie mae lobbyist instead, and nothing changed with the warlords and oligarchs,
Qaddafi was about as good as they were likely to get, the current PM is a qatari stooge, opposed by one of Muammars general Haftar,
Qaddafi was about as good as they were likely to get, the current PM is a qatari stooge, opposed by one of Muammars general Haftar,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:58 PM (PXvVL)
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Turkey ought to have room to take the sand rats since a portion of Turks now live in Germany and Erdogan seems concerned about their welfare
Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2023 12:58 PM (mrWsz)
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I don't think the UPenn woman was 'fired, fired'. Seems like she's gonna stay on until a new person can fill her role, and she's still on staff as a professor at their business law school.
Yeah, UPenn is really serious about their commitment to eradicate antisemitism.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:54 PM (YRsIm)
You're suggesting institutions of "higher" learning are nests of liars and phonies??
I can't believe it. I shan't believe it!
Yeah, UPenn is really serious about their commitment to eradicate antisemitism.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:54 PM (YRsIm)
You're suggesting institutions of "higher" learning are nests of liars and phonies??
I can't believe it. I shan't believe it!
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 12:59 PM (QBaJw)
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From the "presidency" but she is still on staff as a tenured prof.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 12:49 PM (PQ4m2)
oh...she gonna teach classes on code of conduct and tolerance ??
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 12:49 PM (PQ4m2)
oh...she gonna teach classes on code of conduct and tolerance ??
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:59 PM (V13WU)
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the tsaldari clan that ran greece for a way, were no great shakes but the papandreous were a plague, the colonels wre a bandaid,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:59 PM (PXvVL)
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We already know what Israel is planning. They want a 'larger' no man's land between them and Gaza. Israel knows there will never be peace between them so the 'dead' area needs to be there and be very secure.
Gaza will start building tunnels as soon as they can figure out where the seawater hasn't penetrated.
Gaza will start building tunnels as soon as they can figure out where the seawater hasn't penetrated.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 10, 2023 01:00 PM (eh/tP)
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The biggest problem with the refugees is that *everyone * in the region despises the Palestinians and no one wants them. Reportedly almost every Arab nation has contacted Israel privately and told them to get rid of Hamas completely while they have the opportunity. Believable, because rhe Arabs are known for saying the opposite privately of whatever they say publicly.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:00 PM (S6gqv)
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Gazans go to Yemen. Gaza is reclaimed by the Israelis with a warning to the Arabs that remain in Israel and the West Bank that FAFO is the order of the day. Don't start none, won't be none.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 01:00 PM (YRsIm)
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From the images in the news, it looks like well over half of the gazholes are refugees. Why aren't we seeing endless takes of their sad wrecked lives?
Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 10, 2023 01:01 PM (7nDVg)
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I have a suggestion, let's stop looking for Jewish names among people saying stupid, destructive things. Because, we all know how many Barack Obamas, and Joe Bidens and Kevin McCarthys, and Mitch McConnells there are.
Why? In any case, I wasn't looking for it, I was reading the article, and I can put two and two together. Are there plenty of idiot non-Jews? Sure. That doesn't mean I should ignore things when I see them.
Why? In any case, I wasn't looking for it, I was reading the article, and I can put two and two together. Are there plenty of idiot non-Jews? Sure. That doesn't mean I should ignore things when I see them.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 01:01 PM (CsUN+)
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Turkey ought to have room to take the sand rats since a portion of Turks now live in Germany and Erdogan seems concerned about their welfare
Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2023 12:58 PM (mrWsz)
Looks like you discovered the secret: This isn't about where to put the Palis. It's about destroying Western nations from within.
They'll keep insisting (meaning the Turks and other M.E. nations) the Palis be relocated to Europe and the U.S. because they believe eventually, we will.
And they're probably right.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2023 12:58 PM (mrWsz)
Looks like you discovered the secret: This isn't about where to put the Palis. It's about destroying Western nations from within.
They'll keep insisting (meaning the Turks and other M.E. nations) the Palis be relocated to Europe and the U.S. because they believe eventually, we will.
And they're probably right.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:01 PM (QBaJw)
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Gazans and Zaiydis go well together, the both hate jews to pieces,
jordan the uae egypt and the kingdom have proved themselves knaves, in the last two months,
jordan the uae egypt and the kingdom have proved themselves knaves, in the last two months,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 01:03 PM (PXvVL)
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The Diversity Cult's belief that all cultures are equally valid dooms any effort at a diplomatic resolution.
"Is a high-trust culture better than a low-trust culture?"
"Uh, they're equally valid, and you're a racist to think otherwise."
"Is a high-trust culture better than a low-trust culture?"
"Uh, they're equally valid, and you're a racist to think otherwise."
Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at December 10, 2023 01:04 PM (gf7Ez)
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the tsaldari clan that ran greece for a way, were no great shakes but the papandreous were a plague, the colonels wre a bandaid,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:59 PM (PXvVL)
Can't say I've followed Greek history (modern or otherwise) all that closely, just that our involvement had nothing to do with wanting to help the Greeks.
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 12:59 PM (PXvVL)
Can't say I've followed Greek history (modern or otherwise) all that closely, just that our involvement had nothing to do with wanting to help the Greeks.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:04 PM (QBaJw)
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Turks could take them, sure; except that although Erdogan loves to pretend he's the great Savior of Islam, in personal terms the Turks despise the Arabs, and the Arabs despise the Turks right back. (Remember Erdogan slaughtering Arabs on the Syrian border?) They're not gonna live together.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:05 PM (S6gqv)
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Why? In any case, I wasn't looking for it, I was reading the article, and I can put two and two together. Are there plenty of idiot non-Jews? Sure. That doesn't mean I should ignore things when I see them.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 01:01 PM (CsUN+)
When you criticize Joe Biden, do you point out that he is Irish and Catholic ?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 01:01 PM (CsUN+)
When you criticize Joe Biden, do you point out that he is Irish and Catholic ?
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:06 PM (V13WU)
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Turks could take them, sure; except that although Erdogan loves to pretend he's the great Savior of Islam, in personal terms the Turks despise the Arabs, and the Arabs despise the Turks right back. (Remember Erdogan slaughtering Arabs on the Syrian border?) They're not gonna live together.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:05 PM (S6gqv)
I could easily believe we're seeing, not from an American point of view, a three-way battle for control of the eventual Califate. Between the Turks, the Persians, and the Sauds, one of them expects, when the inevitable collapse of the West happens, somebody's going to be Top Dog.
And I don't expect any of them will want to share the role.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:05 PM (S6gqv)
I could easily believe we're seeing, not from an American point of view, a three-way battle for control of the eventual Califate. Between the Turks, the Persians, and the Sauds, one of them expects, when the inevitable collapse of the West happens, somebody's going to be Top Dog.
And I don't expect any of them will want to share the role.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:07 PM (QBaJw)
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What Nurse Ratchad said. I've seen over and over again how Gaza's ocean front could be a gorgeous resort. Build homes, schools, and shopping centers for Israelis out of what's left once the resorts have carved out their needs. And put up signs: No Muslims Need Apply.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I stand with Israel and all Jews everywhere at December 10, 2023 01:08 PM (6TzTY)
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116 I don't think the UPenn woman was 'fired, fired'. Seems like she's gonna stay on until a new person can fill her role, and she's still on staff as a professor at their business law school.
Yeah, UPenn is really serious about their commitment to eradicate antisemitism.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
Sadly, I expected them to do this. Or they'll go to another university. Or magically get a position with a think tank or NGO. It's what they do.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner
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In less than 10 years, the narrative that she was a victim of hateful rightwing attackers threatened by such a strong, accomplished, principled woman will take hold and she will be an admired hero.
Yeah, UPenn is really serious about their commitment to eradicate antisemitism.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
Sadly, I expected them to do this. Or they'll go to another university. Or magically get a position with a think tank or NGO. It's what they do.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner
______________
In less than 10 years, the narrative that she was a victim of hateful rightwing attackers threatened by such a strong, accomplished, principled woman will take hold and she will be an admired hero.
Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at December 10, 2023 01:08 PM (gf7Ez)
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>>> feel good, plastic banana rock n roll nation building crap
If only I could work this into every day conversation.
If only I could work this into every day conversation.
Posted by: fluffy at December 10, 2023 01:10 PM (86W+h)
138
Finally get to CJN Speaks from the 4th
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 01:10 PM (fwDg9)
139
When in Gaza do as the Gazans do.
Posted by: Shrugs shoulders at December 10, 2023 01:11 PM (NBVIP)
140
Finally get to CJN Speaks from the 4th
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 01:10 PM (fwDg9)
it's a good one. I learned a lot !
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 01:10 PM (fwDg9)
it's a good one. I learned a lot !
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:12 PM (V13WU)
141
Let's try separate water fountains.
Posted by: Bull Connor at December 10, 2023 01:13 PM (NBVIP)
142
People wonder why Egypt is so resistant to taking any - not only is Hamas an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, which Egypt has thrown out of their country, but before Oct. 7 Hamas had been talking openly about establishing a presence in the Sinai, which they hoped to use to overthrow al-Sisi's government. Egypt says " We don't need none of that shit here."
Palestinians sure know how to make friends and influence people.
Palestinians sure know how to make friends and influence people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:14 PM (S6gqv)
143
MSM - Who will take care of the displaced Gazans?
Posted by: redridinghood at December 10, 2023 01:14 PM (NpAcC)
144
Leftists when caught always seem to move sideways more than disappear
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 01:14 PM (fwDg9)
145
It’s sad to say, but our Military has reached the point where it is very brave and capable soldiers being led by officers who have been advanced because of race and gender not military experience or skill. In years past, a cadet would have to obtain a degree in engineering but now, the cadets can get a degree in DCI. Serving under someone incompetent who hates you.
Posted by: Ron at December 10, 2023 01:15 PM (AtKtr)
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Don't think I have ever missed a CJN, just matter of getting to it immediately
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 01:15 PM (fwDg9)
147
In less than 10 years, the narrative that she was a victim of hateful rightwing attackers threatened by such a strong, accomplished, principled woman will take hold and she will be an admired hero.
Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at December 10, 2023 01:08 PM (gf7Ez)
"Right wing" is too vague, not specific enough. The narrative will absolutely be White (and Jewish) males. Cisnormative males, not the new kind.
Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at December 10, 2023 01:08 PM (gf7Ez)
"Right wing" is too vague, not specific enough. The narrative will absolutely be White (and Jewish) males. Cisnormative males, not the new kind.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:15 PM (QBaJw)
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*sighs*
The last real American general was H. Norman Schwarzkopf.
None of the other perfumed princes of the Five Sided Puzzle Palace on the Potomac can follow the sage advice of Gen. MacArthur and simply fade away.
The last real American general was H. Norman Schwarzkopf.
None of the other perfumed princes of the Five Sided Puzzle Palace on the Potomac can follow the sage advice of Gen. MacArthur and simply fade away.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:17 PM (pREsH)
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Fantastic post and critique of the sure to fail Petraeus idea.
Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at December 10, 2023 01:17 PM (gxokI)
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in the 40s the brotherhood murdered their prime minister nukhreishi pasha, they worked with nasser until he had to put them down, qutb was one of the leader there, then 25 years later, they killed Sadat,
Posted by: no 6 at December 10, 2023 01:17 PM (PXvVL)
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Can Penn survive without a president and 95% of their administrators? ??
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:56 PM (V13WU)
FIFY...and yes.
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:56 PM (V13WU)
FIFY...and yes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2023 01:18 PM (sM1IA)
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People wonder why Egypt is so resistant to taking any - not only is Hamas an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, which Egypt has thrown out of their country, but before Oct. 7 Hamas had been talking openly about establishing a presence in the Sinai, which they hoped to use to overthrow al-Sisi's government. Egypt says " We don't need none of that shit here."
Palestinians sure know how to make friends and influence people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:14 PM (S6gqv)
Egypt went from having Morrissey as their President, to Al Sissy.
No wonder Hamas thinks they can take them.
Palestinians sure know how to make friends and influence people.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:14 PM (S6gqv)
Egypt went from having Morrissey as their President, to Al Sissy.
No wonder Hamas thinks they can take them.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:18 PM (QBaJw)
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 10, 2023 01:18 PM (ScR16)
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Palestinians sure know how to make friends and influence people.
Yeah they have an innate knack for overstaying their welcome and picking winners.
Yeah they have an innate knack for overstaying their welcome and picking winners.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:18 PM (pREsH)
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Just what exactly are Gazans?
Globalists?
Marxists?
Nationalists?
Tribalists?
Racists?
Mass murderers?
Animals?
Globalists?
Marxists?
Nationalists?
Tribalists?
Racists?
Mass murderers?
Animals?
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 01:19 PM (klzFH)
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The last real American general was H. Norman Schwarzkopf.
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wow, no one form Afghanistan/Iraq II theaters ? What about Odierno ?
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wow, no one form Afghanistan/Iraq II theaters ? What about Odierno ?
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:20 PM (V13WU)
157
The Arabs have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2023 01:20 PM (mrWsz)
158
Gaza - great place to test the Morgenthau Plan
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:20 PM (pREsH)
159
"Palestinians sure know how to make friends and influence people."
They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Posted by: And we all know it at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM (NBVIP)
160
Jinx!
Posted by: And we all know it at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM (NBVIP)
161
Gaza - great place to test the Morgenthau Plan
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:20 PM (pREsH)
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Gaza just doesn't conjure up a vision of bucolic farmlands, though...
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:20 PM (pREsH)
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Gaza just doesn't conjure up a vision of bucolic farmlands, though...
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM (ScR16)
162
Does anyone like Palestinians other than western leftists?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM (hCt6Y)
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151 Can Penn survive without a president and 95% of their administrators? ??
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:56 PM (V13WU)
FIFY...and yes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2023 01:18 PM (sM1IA)
Reminds me of Experts saying that Musk couldn't possibly fire 3/4 of Twitter employees and still keep it going. (It actually got a lot better)
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 12:56 PM (V13WU)
FIFY...and yes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2023 01:18 PM (sM1IA)
Reminds me of Experts saying that Musk couldn't possibly fire 3/4 of Twitter employees and still keep it going. (It actually got a lot better)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM (S6gqv)
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None of the other perfumed princes of the Five Sided Puzzle Palace on the Potomac can follow the sage advice of Gen. MacArthur and simply fade away.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:17 PM (pREsH)
Honestly, if defense contractors are waving high six and low seven figure salaries at you, and you have no genuine love for your country in the first place, why WOULD you just fade away?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:17 PM (pREsH)
Honestly, if defense contractors are waving high six and low seven figure salaries at you, and you have no genuine love for your country in the first place, why WOULD you just fade away?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM (QBaJw)
165
MSM - Who will take care of the displaced Gazans?
Let their Arab neighbors do that. Or send them to Yemen. Or both.
Let their Arab neighbors do that. Or send them to Yemen. Or both.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 01:22 PM (YRsIm)
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runner
Okay I will break it down, unlike oh Powell and Petreaus; H. Norman retired and avoided the political spotlight.
Okay I will break it down, unlike oh Powell and Petreaus; H. Norman retired and avoided the political spotlight.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:22 PM (pREsH)
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Does anyone like Palestinians other than western leftists?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM (hCt6Y)
Western leftists don't like them either.
They're useful. That's all.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM (hCt6Y)
Western leftists don't like them either.
They're useful. That's all.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:23 PM (QBaJw)
168
Gaza - great place to test the Morgenthau Plan
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:20 PM (pREsH)
Gee, I knew there was a reason I like you so much
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:20 PM (pREsH)
Gee, I knew there was a reason I like you so much
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 01:23 PM (PQ4m2)
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thanks Anna
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:23 PM (V13WU)
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Gaza just doesn't conjure up a vision of bucolic farmlands, though...
What, the stacked bodies of Hamas terrorists don't make great fertilizer?
What, the stacked bodies of Hamas terrorists don't make great fertilizer?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:25 PM (pREsH)
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Best case scenario and a pipe dream. Kill all of the most blatant animals in gaza and the Israeli's rebuild it with international help. Unfortunately their may not be anyone left that needs it rebuilt. Also, that international aid would come with way too many stipulations that would allow the next group of animals to rise.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 10, 2023 01:25 PM (2NHgQ)
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Fred Franks was good, too.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 10, 2023 01:18 PM (ScR16)
On the Board of Directors of the Oshkosh Truck Corporation.
Which builds military trucks.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 10, 2023 01:18 PM (ScR16)
On the Board of Directors of the Oshkosh Truck Corporation.
Which builds military trucks.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:27 PM (QBaJw)
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What, the stacked bodies of Hamas terrorists don't make great fertilizer?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:25 PM (pREsH)
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Sounds like more of a Genghis Khan sort of thing. Not that I don't endorse that, mind.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:25 PM (pREsH)
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Sounds like more of a Genghis Khan sort of thing. Not that I don't endorse that, mind.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 10, 2023 01:27 PM (ScR16)
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I give Petraeus a pass on suggesting this plan although I don't agree with it.
The carrot and stick approach is the classic counter-insurgency strategy. It works in many cases (Malaysia, Philippines) where the people want to live and prosper more than they want to die for their ideology. It fails with people who are brainwashed (communists, muslims).
Indeed, the only reason the 2 examples I mention worked was because the British and Americans were willing to kill off enough of the bad guys.
The carrot and stick approach is the classic counter-insurgency strategy. It works in many cases (Malaysia, Philippines) where the people want to live and prosper more than they want to die for their ideology. It fails with people who are brainwashed (communists, muslims).
Indeed, the only reason the 2 examples I mention worked was because the British and Americans were willing to kill off enough of the bad guys.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 10, 2023 01:27 PM (roH4R)
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I extend Hanukkah greetings to our MoT Morons and 'ettes, wishing you all a blessed holiday season.
And a special shout-out to my mishpacha next door whose mom worked at Bonwit Teller and was Ethel Merman's favorite corsetière!
And a special shout-out to my mishpacha next door whose mom worked at Bonwit Teller and was Ethel Merman's favorite corsetière!
Posted by: kallisto at December 10, 2023 01:27 PM (t1wBl)
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Petraeus is the Jim Cramer of military imperialists.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 10, 2023 01:27 PM (RIvkX)
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You absolutely can kill your way out of an insurgency. China is providing a good model of that in Uighur areas. The US did it i Midanao early in the 20th century.
The question always is whether the public has the stomach for it. If not, there isn't much else you can do but lose slowly.
The question always is whether the public has the stomach for it. If not, there isn't much else you can do but lose slowly.
Posted by: Ace's liver at December 10, 2023 01:28 PM (wGeit)
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The Gazans are a corrupt population without any significant work ethic, without a cohesive society larger than Family and Clan, and their respect for authority rests primarily on the exercise of brutality, and not the political and social structure that buttresses authority in the West.
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Take off the rose-colored glasses!
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Take off the rose-colored glasses!
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 10, 2023 01:28 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:29 PM (pREsH)
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Let's see who likes Palestinians:
Egypt doesn't because Moslem Brotherhood;
Jordan doesn't because they tried to overthrow the monarchy;
Lebanon doesn't because they tried to take over Beirut;
Kuwait doesn't because they sided with Saddam;
Saudi doesn't because they sided with Iran.
And Qatar only likes the ones that can pay $10,000 per day for a hotel room.
They've got quite a record.
Egypt doesn't because Moslem Brotherhood;
Jordan doesn't because they tried to overthrow the monarchy;
Lebanon doesn't because they tried to take over Beirut;
Kuwait doesn't because they sided with Saddam;
Saudi doesn't because they sided with Iran.
And Qatar only likes the ones that can pay $10,000 per day for a hotel room.
They've got quite a record.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:29 PM (S6gqv)
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General Odierno retired, and spent his time active in youth sports organizations.
Died of cancer in 2021. Age 67.
I wonder who he pissed off.
Died of cancer in 2021. Age 67.
I wonder who he pissed off.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:30 PM (QBaJw)
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After WWII, germany had something to go back to , hundreds and hundreds of years of culture, political structures developed in western traditions. It was possible to show that hitlerism was an aberration. Don't know why Japan worked out after the two bombs, but they probably had something to go back to as well. But what would gazans have ? Iran ? Saudi ?
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:31 PM (V13WU)
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I had no idea Odierno was gone.
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:31 PM (V13WU)
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Oh for fucks sake. I'm so old I can remember taking this guy's side in the late 00s when the shitlibs came after him for trying to be effective in the Iraq morass, now he clowns himself like all the others. If he really wants to help, the best thing he--and America--can do is stay out of Israel's way on this one.
I'll give him a little credit inasmuch as the soft, complacent westerners probably don't have the strength of will to pursue the more effective options, but it's disingenuous to say that it's impossible to kill one's way out of an insurgency. Genghis Khan would not have such a problem, just sayin'
I'll give him a little credit inasmuch as the soft, complacent westerners probably don't have the strength of will to pursue the more effective options, but it's disingenuous to say that it's impossible to kill one's way out of an insurgency. Genghis Khan would not have such a problem, just sayin'
Posted by: CppThis at December 10, 2023 01:33 PM (PZvjL)
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I'm joking when I ask who he pissed off. I hope.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:34 PM (QBaJw)
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Reminds me of Experts saying that Musk couldn't possibly fire 3/4 of Twitter employees and still keep it going. (It actually got a lot better)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM
I suspect he's familiar with the concept of the mythical man month.
Reminds me of Experts saying that Musk couldn't possibly fire 3/4 of Twitter employees and still keep it going. (It actually got a lot better)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:21 PM
I suspect he's familiar with the concept of the mythical man month.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 10, 2023 01:34 PM (enJYY)
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Petraeus is also one of the guys who regularly claimed Ukraine had Russia running with their tail between their legs. My dad uses him as the primary source of his information on the state of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, so I don't bother broaching the subject with him.
It's a shame that a guy with a name that sounds like a Roman general's name (who was made a General no less) is just a stooge for the deep state/MIC.
It's a shame that a guy with a name that sounds like a Roman general's name (who was made a General no less) is just a stooge for the deep state/MIC.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at December 10, 2023 01:35 PM (pIx7m)
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Yeah, our counter programs in Afghanistan worked so well that the Taliban is now back in charge. Why do these idiots continue to double down on failures.
Posted by: SirKnob at December 10, 2023 01:36 PM (niQtX)
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It's a shame that a guy with a name that sounds like a Roman general's name (who was made a General no less) is just a stooge for the deep state/MIC.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at December 10, 2023 01:35 PM (pIx7m)
Hey, love is love.
I just give him credit that he's not been hinted at having flown on the Epstein plane. That we know of.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at December 10, 2023 01:35 PM (pIx7m)
Hey, love is love.
I just give him credit that he's not been hinted at having flown on the Epstein plane. That we know of.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:37 PM (QBaJw)
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>>>“You have to, therefore, destroy them,” Petraeus said. Israel cannot allow Hamas to reconstitute as a militant group and it also must dismantle the group’s political wing, he argued, adding that military force alone won’t accomplish that goal.
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That's double speak. If the military destroys them then they won't be and if they are not then nothing else is to be done with them.
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That's double speak. If the military destroys them then they won't be and if they are not then nothing else is to be done with them.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:37 PM (Dryq8)
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Why? In any case, I wasn't looking for it, I was reading the article, and I can put two and two together. Are there plenty of idiot non-Jews? Sure. That doesn't mean I should ignore things when I see them.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 01:01 PM (CsUN+)
When you criticize Joe Biden, do you point out that he is Irish and Catholic ?
To the best of my knowledge, Biden hasn't encouraged the persecution and annihilation of his own kind. Well, I suppose you COULD say that about his attitude towards abortion protesters.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 01:01 PM (CsUN+)
When you criticize Joe Biden, do you point out that he is Irish and Catholic ?
To the best of my knowledge, Biden hasn't encouraged the persecution and annihilation of his own kind. Well, I suppose you COULD say that about his attitude towards abortion protesters.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 01:37 PM (CsUN+)
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*looks at time*
Guess I better get movie and get ready to go see Gojira Minus One. Or I wait until tomorrow for a closer cinema to open and view it, this is still boggling me that a movie theater is closed on Sunday.
Guess I better get movie and get ready to go see Gojira Minus One. Or I wait until tomorrow for a closer cinema to open and view it, this is still boggling me that a movie theater is closed on Sunday.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:38 PM (pREsH)
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Petraeus is also one of the guys who regularly claimed Ukraine had Russia running with their tail between their legs.
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believing in own malarkey can be detrimental to ones credibility...
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believing in own malarkey can be detrimental to ones credibility...
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:38 PM (V13WU)
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Why do these idiots continue to double down on failures.
Posted by: SirKnob at December 10, 2023 01:36 PM (niQtX)
Because they define failure differently than you.
You care about your country. And presumably your fellow human beings.
They don't.
Posted by: SirKnob at December 10, 2023 01:36 PM (niQtX)
Because they define failure differently than you.
You care about your country. And presumably your fellow human beings.
They don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:38 PM (QBaJw)
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Anna that would shock me
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 01:40 PM (fwDg9)
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How goes the packing and planning?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:29 PM (pREsH)
Plans all set, mostly.
Leave Jan 10th.
Got my own TSA Pre Check since when I left the Navy, I lost my free one
Flights all set, just gotta decide if I want to rent a car or not
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:29 PM (pREsH)
Plans all set, mostly.
Leave Jan 10th.
Got my own TSA Pre Check since when I left the Navy, I lost my free one
Flights all set, just gotta decide if I want to rent a car or not
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 01:40 PM (PQ4m2)
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>>>>The Germans and Japanese were both regimented people with respect for authority.
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They were both productive civil societies before they went off the rails. Hamas, Hezbola and the muslim/Arab world has never been that.
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They were both productive civil societies before they went off the rails. Hamas, Hezbola and the muslim/Arab world has never been that.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:40 PM (Dryq8)
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“I so hope that Claudine Gay @Harvard will not follow,” Eidelson wrote. “I fear too few of us have said what many of us think: She did nothing wrong, & the real failure of leadership would be surrendering to a campaign so hostile to our values.”
I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
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I would like to show you my hostility, Benjy.
I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
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I would like to show you my hostility, Benjy.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 10, 2023 01:41 PM (RIvkX)
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There's a discussion on X as to what Israel will do with Hamas members after the war is over, and I note Israel will be in the same position as the Allies were after Germany surrendered; what do we do with all these prisoners? And I suspect Israel will come to the same conclusion; execute the leaders, imprison the mid level leaders, and disarm and release the rest while implementing a new version of the denazification that was done. This is why an extensive military occupation is required, just as it was then.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:41 PM (S6gqv)
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They need to kill the Qatar people funding and grifting. Kill the head always.
Posted by: jeremiah at December 10, 2023 01:41 PM (h04CF)
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If you don't have the three day stubble on your chin, you're not serious about converting savages to Jesus.
Corn and petroleum, fuckos!
Corn and petroleum, fuckos!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 01:42 PM (klzFH)
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175 I extend Hanukkah greetings to our MoT Morons and 'ettes, wishing you all a blessed holiday season.
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Posted by: kallisto
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Hear, hear
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Posted by: kallisto
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Hear, hear
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:43 PM (Dryq8)
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Rental car in Jerusalem? Is it worth the headache?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:43 PM (pREsH)
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199 There's a discussion on X as to what Israel will do with Hamas members after the war is over, and I note Israel will be in the same position as the Allies were after Germany surrendered; what do we do with all these prisoners? And I suspect Israel will come to the same conclusion; execute the leaders, imprison the mid level leaders, and disarm and release the rest while implementing a new version of the denazification that was done. This is why an extensive military occupation is required, just as it was then.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:41 PM (S6gqv)
They are all non-uniformed unlawful combatants and terrorists. They should all be lined up against a wall and shot. Then thrown in a mass grave with pig carcasses.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:41 PM (S6gqv)
They are all non-uniformed unlawful combatants and terrorists. They should all be lined up against a wall and shot. Then thrown in a mass grave with pig carcasses.
Posted by: Fuck them. They don't get to benefit from civilized process. at December 10, 2023 01:44 PM (4tJWN)
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Rental car in Jerusalem? Is it worth the headache?
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:43 PM (pREsH)
Yes those are my thoughts also
I doubt I will rent one.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:43 PM (pREsH)
Yes those are my thoughts also
I doubt I will rent one.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 01:45 PM (PQ4m2)
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I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
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I would like to show you my hostility, Benjy.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 10, 2023 01:41 PM (RIvkX)
All she had to do was say "Yes, I condemn the killing of women and children, but I stand by the university's position, that freedom of speech protects all speech, not just that with which we agree."
But she didn't. So while this other bint is talking about "values," the only thing I can assume she values is providing a platform for those whose views she agrees with, and deplatforming those whose views she does not.
In other words, fine. Those are your "values." Which makes you my enemy.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
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I would like to show you my hostility, Benjy.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 10, 2023 01:41 PM (RIvkX)
All she had to do was say "Yes, I condemn the killing of women and children, but I stand by the university's position, that freedom of speech protects all speech, not just that with which we agree."
But she didn't. So while this other bint is talking about "values," the only thing I can assume she values is providing a platform for those whose views she agrees with, and deplatforming those whose views she does not.
In other words, fine. Those are your "values." Which makes you my enemy.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:46 PM (QBaJw)
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Where's UAE in all this? As rich as Saud and playing all sides against each other like Clint in A Fist Full of Dollars.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 10, 2023 01:46 PM (nnp+f)
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I should note that after WW2 ended, "Kill them all!" was definitely the Soviet solution.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 10, 2023 01:47 PM (S6gqv)
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198 “I so hope that Claudine Gay @Harvard will not follow,” Eidelson wrote. “I fear too few of us have said what many of us think: She did nothing wrong, & the real failure of leadership would be surrendering to a campaign so hostile to our values.”
I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
If so, seems to be of the self-gassing variety.
I don't know that Eidelson is Jewish, but it seems probable based on the name.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxa4njh
Posted by: Archimedes at December 10, 2023 12:46 PM (CsUN+)
If so, seems to be of the self-gassing variety.
Posted by: It's not GENOCIDE-genocide at December 10, 2023 01:47 PM (4tJWN)
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@199
>>This is why an extensive military occupation is required, just as it was then.
European leaders love muslims, send them to France, Germany and the Netherlands, trebuchet the rest into a the sarlack pit that is the ME, and be done with it.
Bottom line, Israel will never know peace with these animals on their doorstep.
>>This is why an extensive military occupation is required, just as it was then.
European leaders love muslims, send them to France, Germany and the Netherlands, trebuchet the rest into a the sarlack pit that is the ME, and be done with it.
Bottom line, Israel will never know peace with these animals on their doorstep.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2023 01:47 PM (XV/Pl)
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NGU, Do we need to send some body armor with you?
Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2023 01:47 PM (mrWsz)
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When you criticize Joe Biden, do you point out that he is Irish and Catholic ?
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:06 PM (V13WU)
Or that he has an enormous schwanstucker?
Posted by: runner at December 10, 2023 01:06 PM (V13WU)
Or that he has an enormous schwanstucker?
Posted by: Inga the Lab Assistant at December 10, 2023 01:48 PM (g4+u8)
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Can't say I know but doubt a Leftist Israel even executes even the worst terrorists
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2023 01:48 PM (fwDg9)
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You'd think that the fact that no one, especially no Arab state, wants to take in the Gazans might be instructional.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 01:49 PM (YRsIm)
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The Gaza’s have received billions of dollars of aid (extortion) over the years. Have they built a nation or a civil society? No, and they never will. The idea that anyone can nation build there is beyond ludicrous. What example exists of them doing anything to create governance, society or culture that would in anyway be peaceful and productive.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 10, 2023 01:49 PM (VloHh)
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NGU, Do we need to send some body armor with you?
Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2023 01:47 PM (mrWsz)
No, where I will be, I will just have to move fast
Posted by: Ben Had at December 10, 2023 01:47 PM (mrWsz)
No, where I will be, I will just have to move fast
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 01:49 PM (PQ4m2)
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Skip
I click on the Cinemark website and it is showing showtimes for today. So the Internet is wrong it seems.
So yeah I am going to go see a giant lizard destroy Tokyo.
I click on the Cinemark website and it is showing showtimes for today. So the Internet is wrong it seems.
So yeah I am going to go see a giant lizard destroy Tokyo.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:50 PM (pREsH)
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First Yahoo result from, 'Claudine Gay anti Semite',
"Why did Liz Magill resign? Will Claudine Gay step down? What ...
Antisemitism Add Topic Why did Liz Magill resign? Will Harvard President Claudine Gay step down? Here's what we know. Marina..."
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Antisemitism Add Topic Why did Liz Magill resign? Will Harvard President Claudine Gay step down? Here's what we know. Marina..."
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:50 PM (Dryq8)
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Alex Jones is back on twatter.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:50 PM (QBaJw)
Posted by: Dave L. at December 10, 2023 01:50 PM (2Bpv7)
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@214
>>You'd think that the fact that no one, especially no Arab state, wants to take in the Gazans might be instructional
Well, then you force them to, this is their problem, well really the British f**ked up the ME, send them all to The British Isles.
I don't give a f**k where these savages end up, they just cannot stay where they are.
>>You'd think that the fact that no one, especially no Arab state, wants to take in the Gazans might be instructional
Well, then you force them to, this is their problem, well really the British f**ked up the ME, send them all to The British Isles.
I don't give a f**k where these savages end up, they just cannot stay where they are.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2023 01:51 PM (XV/Pl)
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For "rebuilding" to work like it did in Japan you have to BREAK the target civilization first. And that means killing about a third of the military aged men.
So...are we going to do that first?
So...are we going to do that first?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 10, 2023 01:51 PM (XqcwY)
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>>>No, where I will be, I will just have to move fast
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Don't forget your knee braces.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Don't forget your knee braces.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:51 PM (Dryq8)
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>>> 11
Award the Gaza Strip to the United Nations. Tell them they havefive years one week to get the hell out of NYC and to relocate their headquarters to there.
Tell them New York will reclaim title to land and property on which they are squatting at the end of thatfive years one week, after which you and yours will be summarily arrested, tried and imprisoned shot for acts hostile to the United States if you set foot there.
Do it, and mean it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (xG4kz)
Award the Gaza Strip to the United Nations. Tell them they have
Tell them New York will reclaim title to land and property on which they are squatting at the end of that
Do it, and mean it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (xG4kz)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 10, 2023 01:52 PM (llON8)
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And Ohtani crosses town, becomes a $700 millionaire.
Great. I hope the Dodgers win every W.S. for the next decade.
I hate MLB.
Great. I hope the Dodgers win every W.S. for the next decade.
I hate MLB.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:52 PM (QBaJw)
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Alex Jones is back on twatter.
Nothing Jones said was fundamentally different then the stuff "leftists in good standing" say on a regular basis.
Nothing Jones said was fundamentally different then the stuff "leftists in good standing" say on a regular basis.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 10, 2023 01:52 PM (XqcwY)
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You can’t win “hearts & minds” while killing them at the same time
Posted by: Creek at December 10, 2023 12:24 PM (29OXW)
Wanna bet?
Posted by: Creek at December 10, 2023 12:24 PM (29OXW)
Wanna bet?
Posted by: Nagasaki and Hiroshima at December 10, 2023 01:52 PM (iODuv)
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@219
>>Alex Jones is back on twatter.
Well, that sound you hear is leftists minds shattering and what's left of Twitters advertiser's heading for the door.
I respect the hell out of what Musk did, but the dude essentially set fire to 40 Billion dollars.
>>Alex Jones is back on twatter.
Well, that sound you hear is leftists minds shattering and what's left of Twitters advertiser's heading for the door.
I respect the hell out of what Musk did, but the dude essentially set fire to 40 Billion dollars.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2023 01:52 PM (XV/Pl)
229
My iPhone has an eSim which for a fee will work in Israel, but I will also insert and Israeli SIM card and both should work so I can receive calls on both
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 01:53 PM (PQ4m2)
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Building someone else's nation somewhere else so that it looks like your own is practically the definition of colonialism.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 10, 2023 12:22 PM (9UlRk)
Short of expelling all the Gazans to other muzzie shitholes, colonialism is the best solution. Make Gaza an explicit Israeli colony, that may, eventually, be made a part of Israel proper. Israel owns everything, and runs everything. Palis exist on sufferance, and if they behave themselves, can have a decent life. But no voting rights, no public office, and no civil rights as we know them. Close all the mosques, and kill or deport all the imams. Give Palis incentives to convert to Christianity, or other sane religions, and offer protective relocation to those that do, with the proviso that backsliding into islam, or false conversion carries the death penalty.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 10, 2023 12:22 PM (9UlRk)
Short of expelling all the Gazans to other muzzie shitholes, colonialism is the best solution. Make Gaza an explicit Israeli colony, that may, eventually, be made a part of Israel proper. Israel owns everything, and runs everything. Palis exist on sufferance, and if they behave themselves, can have a decent life. But no voting rights, no public office, and no civil rights as we know them. Close all the mosques, and kill or deport all the imams. Give Palis incentives to convert to Christianity, or other sane religions, and offer protective relocation to those that do, with the proviso that backsliding into islam, or false conversion carries the death penalty.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2023 01:53 PM (LVUPV)
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>>> 27 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 10, 2023 12:07 PM (xG4kz)
Seriously. That's 4 years and 51 weeks longer than necessary. 1 week. Be gone entirely. Anyone remaining will be detained and sent to Gaza.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:18 PM (YRsIm)
I knew I should have kept reading...
Seriously. That's 4 years and 51 weeks longer than necessary. 1 week. Be gone entirely. Anyone remaining will be detained and sent to Gaza.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:18 PM (YRsIm)
I knew I should have kept reading...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 10, 2023 01:53 PM (llON8)
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A rental car, I would think it would heighten your visibility as opposed to just one more person in the crowd.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:53 PM (pREsH)
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Bottom line, Israel will never know peace with these animals on their doorstep.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2023 01:47 PM (XV/Pl)
Exactly, what has been going on is zoo keeping and their lust for blood and martyrdom has not and will not be deterred by western virtue seeking.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2023 01:47 PM (XV/Pl)
Exactly, what has been going on is zoo keeping and their lust for blood and martyrdom has not and will not be deterred by western virtue seeking.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 10, 2023 01:53 PM (VloHh)
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>>>I don't give a f**k where these savages end up, they just cannot stay where they are.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Let God sort it out.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Let God sort it out.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:53 PM (Dryq8)
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You can’t win “hearts & minds” while killing them at the same time
Posted by: Creek at December 10, 2023 12:24 PM (29OXW)
The dead ones no longer shoot at you, so that's a win, right there.
Posted by: Creek at December 10, 2023 12:24 PM (29OXW)
The dead ones no longer shoot at you, so that's a win, right there.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2023 01:54 PM (LVUPV)
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Curtis LeMay burned out 56 square miles of Tokyo using fire bombs.
Paul Tibbits burned out 4.6 square miles with an atomic bomb.
Paul Tibbits burned out 4.6 square miles with an atomic bomb.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:55 PM (pREsH)
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>>> 236 Curtis LeMay burned out 56 square miles of Tokyo using fire bombs.
Paul Tibbits burned out 4.6 square miles with an atomic bomb.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:55 PM (pREsH)
*ahem*
Paul Tibbits burned out 4.6 square miles with an atomic bomb.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:55 PM (pREsH)
*ahem*
Posted by: Dresden at December 10, 2023 01:55 PM (llON8)
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On a completely unrelated note, it is a glorious afternoon to enjoy coffee and a cigar out on the patio here in Cowtown.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 01:56 PM (YRsIm)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2023 01:56 PM (pREsH)
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Well, that sound you hear is leftists minds shattering and what's left of Twitters advertiser's heading for the door.
I respect the hell out of what Musk did, but the dude essentially set fire to 40 Billion dollars.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2023 01:52 PM (XV/Pl)
It occurred to me recently, maybe it's better NOT to have a platform that depends on Dinsey and Pepsico and other "big corps" to survive. Find other advertisers. You know, make it so people who use your platform actually WANT to support the sponsors, rather than having the sponsors control the content.
I respect the hell out of what Musk did, but the dude essentially set fire to 40 Billion dollars.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2023 01:52 PM (XV/Pl)
It occurred to me recently, maybe it's better NOT to have a platform that depends on Dinsey and Pepsico and other "big corps" to survive. Find other advertisers. You know, make it so people who use your platform actually WANT to support the sponsors, rather than having the sponsors control the content.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:57 PM (QBaJw)
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There is rumor that Israel and Egypt are having back channel talks about Egypt taking some of the Gazans. -Not some but all-
Israel should, call it what they like, pay Egypt for their room and board and the sorting out process.
Egypt could politically maneuver this to their advantage in the muslim community especially with Erdogan attempting to reconstitute the empire. And it would be a bottom line profit not an expense to Israel.
Israel should, call it what they like, pay Egypt for their room and board and the sorting out process.
Egypt could politically maneuver this to their advantage in the muslim community especially with Erdogan attempting to reconstitute the empire. And it would be a bottom line profit not an expense to Israel.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:59 PM (Dryq8)
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Where to send them? Ukraine is getting de-populated and is starting to draft women and children. Odessa is a boat-ride away, with no need to stop and annoy the locals while on the way.
It would be one last chance for the Global American Empire to mess with the Russians before Ukraine falls.
It would be one last chance for the Global American Empire to mess with the Russians before Ukraine falls.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 10, 2023 01:59 PM (g4+u8)
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There is rumor that Israel and Egypt are having back channel talks about Egypt taking some of the Gazans. -Not some but all-
Israel should, call it what they like, pay Egypt for their room and board and the sorting out process.
Egypt could politically maneuver this to their advantage in the muslim community especially with Erdogan attempting to reconstitute the empire. And it would be a bottom line profit not an expense to Israel.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:59 PM (Dryq
I think the rumor is they are have talks about Egypt ONLY being a transit station for the palis on their way to some other country that will accept them.
Israel should, call it what they like, pay Egypt for their room and board and the sorting out process.
Egypt could politically maneuver this to their advantage in the muslim community especially with Erdogan attempting to reconstitute the empire. And it would be a bottom line profit not an expense to Israel.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 01:59 PM (Dryq
I think the rumor is they are have talks about Egypt ONLY being a transit station for the palis on their way to some other country that will accept them.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2023 02:00 PM (PQ4m2)
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 10, 2023 02:01 PM (qPw5n)
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Yemen. Send them all to Yemen. Rancid Tilapia and the rest of tha Skwad can go there too.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 02:02 PM (YRsIm)
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@240
>>It occurred to me recently, maybe it's better NOT to have a platform that depends on Dinsey and Pepsico and other "big corps" to survive.
There are only a handful of ways to fund an operation of this size...
1. Ad based
2. Subscription based
3. Subsidization
4. Some mixture of the other three.
Musk is going to need to figure out something quick, fold up shop or get Twitter down to the absolute bare necessities to function that he can subsidize it from his other business interests.
>>It occurred to me recently, maybe it's better NOT to have a platform that depends on Dinsey and Pepsico and other "big corps" to survive.
There are only a handful of ways to fund an operation of this size...
1. Ad based
2. Subscription based
3. Subsidization
4. Some mixture of the other three.
Musk is going to need to figure out something quick, fold up shop or get Twitter down to the absolute bare necessities to function that he can subsidize it from his other business interests.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 10, 2023 02:03 PM (XV/Pl)
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It occurred to me recently, maybe it's better NOT to have a platform that depends on Dinsey and Pepsico and other "big corps" to survive. Find other advertisers. You know, make it so people who use your platform actually WANT to support the sponsors, rather than having the sponsors control the content.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:57 PM
Local restaurants and shops that hit my wife's Facebook page get our business and or at least our attention. But perhaps that takes a lot more effort then securing the mammoth Pepsi account. It shouldn't though.
It should be easy for merchants to pay a very nominal fee to hit everyone in some geographic area.
It occurred to me recently, maybe it's better NOT to have a platform that depends on Dinsey and Pepsico and other "big corps" to survive. Find other advertisers. You know, make it so people who use your platform actually WANT to support the sponsors, rather than having the sponsors control the content.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2023 01:57 PM
Local restaurants and shops that hit my wife's Facebook page get our business and or at least our attention. But perhaps that takes a lot more effort then securing the mammoth Pepsi account. It shouldn't though.
It should be easy for merchants to pay a very nominal fee to hit everyone in some geographic area.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 10, 2023 02:04 PM (enJYY)
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Don't need a car in Jerusalem, driving is third world, parking nonexistent, transit is good.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 10, 2023 02:05 PM (RIvkX)
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Well there ya go. "We" keep persons like Dorothy Swann McAuliffe, an American attorney & former First Lady of the Commonwealth of Virginia, serving as the U.S. State Department's Special Representative for Global Partnerships in government positions & Leah Pisar, President of Aladdin Building, a non-profit, in operation. BTW, she's Tony's Blinken's half sister.
They keep the money, the power and control & take the commoners' money and kids to help control the complete messes they make. All, imho.
. She previously was the First Lady of the Commonwealth of Virginia from January 2014 to January 2018
They keep the money, the power and control & take the commoners' money and kids to help control the complete messes they make. All, imho.
. She previously was the First Lady of the Commonwealth of Virginia from January 2014 to January 2018
Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 10, 2023 02:05 PM (GshMh)
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>>>I respect the hell out of what Musk did, but the dude essentially set fire to 40 Billion dollars.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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He is a patriot.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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He is a patriot.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 02:05 PM (Dryq8)
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>>>For "rebuilding" to work like it did in Japan you have to BREAK the target civilization first. And that means killing about a third of the military aged men.
So...are we going to do that first?
Posted by: 18-1
>I think the world is ready for a woke, rom-com Don Juan flick of sexcapades with an illiterate, barely legal, fertile, third-world beauty wrapped in a burlap sack and a high finance big shot from across the tracks.
So...are we going to do that first?
Posted by: 18-1
>I think the world is ready for a woke, rom-com Don Juan flick of sexcapades with an illiterate, barely legal, fertile, third-world beauty wrapped in a burlap sack and a high finance big shot from across the tracks.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 10, 2023 02:05 PM (klzFH)
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>>>>I think the rumor is they are have talks about Egypt ONLY being a transit station for the palis on their way to some other country that will accept them.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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I had visions of Al-Sisi lining them up on the wall but disbursing them asunder is better than leaving them on the Strip.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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I had visions of Al-Sisi lining them up on the wall but disbursing them asunder is better than leaving them on the Strip.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 10, 2023 02:08 PM (Dryq8)
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We can't do decent nation-building any more because we don't believe in our own nation and its founding. We did impart great values to japan and Germany. if you see the new Godzilla, it reflects the new ethos there, a full flowering of those values, of small government and individual dignity.Sound familiar?
Posted by: PJ at December 10, 2023 02:32 PM (G1dq6)
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May I simply point out that the USA utterly destroyed Japan in WW II. We dropped two nukes on them, for cryin' out loud! Their resistance was wrung out of them after four years of their available manpower being killed by every means possible, from bombs to bullets, flamethrowers, bayonets, satchel charges, and the kitchen sink when necessary. Likewise Germany, which had the additional encouragement of the gentle touch of Stalin's finest squeezing them from the east while the somewhat less barbaric Allied forces pushed them from the west. That is what Israel must do to Hamas in Gaza in order to lay the groundwork for future security. Their big problem is with the rest of the two billion moslems in the world, most of whom are enthusiastic Jew killers when given the chance. This will not end well, 'less Jesus comes back.
Posted by: Steve (retired/recovering lawyer) at December 10, 2023 02:54 PM (nq64t)
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36 Oh yeah, just look at the teeming success that is every Indian reservation. FFS....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:21 PM (YRsIm)
I was looking at the teeming success of the US.
Well, at least until we won the Cold War and surrendered the "Peace Dividend" to the socialists.
But if you want to focus on how the defeated prefer to wallow in ruin, consider the scope of terror from Indian reservations compared to what comes from Fauxlestinian refugee camps and tell me again how the US is not an example of success.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 10, 2023 12:21 PM (YRsIm)
I was looking at the teeming success of the US.
Well, at least until we won the Cold War and surrendered the "Peace Dividend" to the socialists.
But if you want to focus on how the defeated prefer to wallow in ruin, consider the scope of terror from Indian reservations compared to what comes from Fauxlestinian refugee camps and tell me again how the US is not an example of success.
Posted by: Sam at December 10, 2023 03:20 PM (ohyxL)
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LINK: massive, widespread
destruction of archives
Russia, Ukraine, Nazi era
https://is.gd/5ieIDJ
LINK: massive, widespread
destruction of archives
Russia, Ukraine, Nazi era
https://is.gd/5ieIDJ
Posted by: zigzag at December 10, 2023 04:34 PM (QKet2)
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Nation building doesn't work unless you drop any pretense of self government. The Germans and Japanese knew who was in charge. Where has nation building worked?
Posted by: Jane at December 10, 2023 04:49 PM (EcD5Y)
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War College Grad Dave Petreus.
Posted by: DOYLE at December 10, 2023 04:59 PM (Z8Yh2)
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This incompetent tool has been around a long time, but really rose to prominence under 0bama. Why do #conservative lick his balls so lovingly?
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at December 10, 2023 06:53 PM (PKFto)
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We were completely failing UNTIL we joined up with native Iraqi tribes.
Who are the Hamas partners.
Who are the Hamas partners.
Posted by: Danny Mitchell at December 10, 2023 09:07 PM (3exmE)
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Nation building as was done I Germany and Japan worked because both nations were in some part, civilized. In Germany, the country was used to following orders, and we were there long enough to change enough of the people on top. In Japan, it was much the same, with a most of the population used to having a subject status.
Nation building in the Islamic world might work, but only from a foundation built as Ghengis Khan did it, on the dead bodies of the former inhabitants.
Islam is a violent totalitarian political system, and does not accept non-Islamics as anything other than enemies or slaves / subjects.
Nation building in the Islamic world might work, but only from a foundation built as Ghengis Khan did it, on the dead bodies of the former inhabitants.
Islam is a violent totalitarian political system, and does not accept non-Islamics as anything other than enemies or slaves / subjects.
Posted by: John in Indy at December 11, 2023 05:29 AM (W2O3z)
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Military Industrial Complex™ in action like usual.
Posted by: Danimal28 at December 11, 2023 08:55 AM (klw0w)
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The issue with Israel and the Palestinians is they are stuck with each other. Short of Israel driving them into the Sinai or to Jordan--they are not going away. So some sort of long term plan needs to be implemented--which includes killing and getting rid of Hamas.
Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at December 11, 2023 12:32 PM (8yM+6)
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General Petreus was a brilliant if personally flawed strategist but he’s wrong about Gaza. The realistic choices for peace are either Carthage; (kill all military age males, scatter the women and children across the world, salt the earth so nothing grows there again for generations). Alternatively, install a brutal strongman to oppress the local population but will not bother the neighbors. Doesn’t the former Shah of Iran have living sons? Possibilities…
Posted by: Armageddon Rex at December 11, 2023 06:04 PM (gWfP7)
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