Gun Thread: November 19th Pre-Thanksgiving Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy November Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be November 19th? Seriously! Why, it seems just the other day it was the day after Veterans Day!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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So with November comes Thanksgiving, the uniquely American holiday where we celebrate the warmth, joy and brotherhood of capitalism by standing in line all night for a chance to buy a $9 flat-screen TV. I don't know about all y'all, but this time of year my email inbox positively resonates with offers from every single online entity I have ever done business with, and many I haven't, trying to get their share of my dinero.

Having said that, this does present an opportunity for those who plan ahead and like to save a few bucks. Do you have a guns 'n shootin' shopping list for items you want? How about for gifts? Why not share the details in the comments tonight to help the other shoppers out there looking for ideas. Here is a shooter's handy holiday shopping gift guide from our pals at Midsouth Shooters Supply

This is a busy time of year for your ol' pal Weasel, mostly having to do with work, which has the annoying consequence of interfering with my organic tree farming activities. Since the John C. Garand Rifle Range is located at WeaselAcres, it also interferes with my shooting time, too. How do all y'all manage your range time? Is it a priority - something to be done no matter what - or is it something you consider only after all your other stuff is done? When I was competing, shooting and match preparedness was job numbero one-o. Shooting came first and everything else was secondary. That's a bigly part of the reason I am no longer shooting competitively, as it represented a ridiculous time commitment. Shooting recreationally is a bit different though. Depending on travel, it can take as little as an hour of your time to squeeze in a practice session. How often are you going to the range, and what sort of things keep you from going as often as you like?

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Guns of the Weasel
I needed some quick content so here are a couple of Gun Thread S&W re-runs. I bet no one will notice!

This is a gun I inherited from my father, a Smith and Wesson Model 686-4 purchased in 1995. We were able to take it shooting a couple of times and I very fondly recall those trips. My dad wasn't a big shooter, and this handgun was a "spite" purchase in response to a politician who annoyed him by, among other things, pushing gun control back in the day. Gotta love my dad! Spite purchases can be some of the best and most rewarding, don't you think?

Please tell us about your dad and any shooting you might have done together. Did he teach you how to shoot? More importantly, are you teaching your son or daughter how to shoot?

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Smith & Wesson Model 64
Back to Smith & Wesson revolvers this week, we have a nice example of the Model 64 snubby from the WeaselCollection. This is pretty much a baby with a manufacture date in the 1980s and is the gun I have in mind when thinking of a revolver for concealed carry.

Even with the short 1 7/8th inch barrel, I think it's plenty accurate as long as I'm on my game.

It's hard to tell from the video, but I'm about 7 yards from the target. Obviously, I'm concentrating on creating a small group and not in some sort of high stress self-defense situation, but I think it shows what the snubby revolver is capable of.

What about you all? Anyone carry a concealed revolver? If so, what made you decide to do so?

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Stop the Presses!!

Our pal Blake has attended his very first 1,000-yard match! Congratulations Blake!

Saturday was the day of my first 1,000-yard match. I took my trusty Savage Axis II, complete with Magpul bipod and Vortex scope to the firing line to shoot a distance I really have no experience with. What could possibly go wrong? However, I was up front about being new to this and the people involved with the match were patient enough to work with me so I could compete. I was shooting Hornady Match 168 grain ELD loads. I plan to load my own ammo for this match next year.
I started off working the rifle pit, which felt a bit like home, as I'd worked the rifle pit before in High Power matches. This match, however, was much more relaxed, because it was not a timed event. Which meant no pressure on the shooter or the people running the target in the pit.
After the pit, I headed back to the firing line to observe people setting up and going through their various routines before shooting. They all put 3 rounds downrange as sighters then shot 10 rounds for score. It was unreal how many of the shooters were inside the 10 and X ring at 1,000 yards.
I was in the last group to shoot and one of the guys was nice enough to spot for me as I tried to get my elevation set. Finally, after 5 shots, I was on paper and properly lined up. Naturally, because that's the way things go at our range, by the time it was our turn, a breeze had come up, and, worse, it was so variable shots were being moved all over the place. In fact, one amusing round of shots, the three of us on the line all put shots pretty much in identical spots on our target, way right. You could almost have put a level on our shots, as they were that close to being the same height.
After everything was said and done, the scores were read out, with most of the people shooting in the nineties. One shooter shot an 88, but this was only his third match.
I came in dead last, which was expected, with a 79. I was told I did well for a first match. Obviously, I have no reference point still, though, I had a great time.
As I told everyone, never have I shot so little yet had so much fun.
Blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
p.s. One of the guys in the pit gave me some grief about giving him a gravel shower during sight in. I told him, "Had I know it was you, I'd have done it again!" He laughed, along with everyone else. Great day at the range.

Excellent, Excellent, EXCELLENT! This made my day! People, you just have to do what Blake has done, and go do it! Don't worry about the score (not much, anyway) because this is practice. There is a ton of stuff to learn besides the trigger pulling business, and participating in a match is how you learn it. Do this a bunch more times and then start to worry about scores and winning and medals and range babes.

Man, I hope you keep it up and keep us posted, and please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Thank you!

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Special vs. Magnum
Our pal hickok45 explaining the difference between "special" and "magnum" cartridges.

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Space Shit is Cool
Say what you will about Elon Musk, but he puts a whole lot of his money where his mouth is and he gets shit done. Yesterday, his Starship rocket blasted off and made it into freaking space before encountering technical difficulties in the form of blowing up. I think this is completely badass and my hat is off to him! Go SpaceX!

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What Are Bullets Made From?

Why, they're made from copper! Yes, our old pal copper. Let's have a look at how the ore is mined and processed!

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Kwestion Korner
Q: Weasel, how does and AR15 work?
A: See below.

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Musical Interlude
Here is Eddie Van Halen and Ain't Talkin Bout Love.

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video is on matching home defense and concealed carry weapons.

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Cigar of the Week
This week we look at straight and punch cigar cutters. What, no love for the "V" cutter?

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal Misanthropic Humanitarian. Great one! Thank you!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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Posted by: Ciampino - Not sure if gunfight or Arab wedding!! at November 19, 2023 07:00 PM (qfLjt)

2 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 07:00 PM (aQy7p)

3 Damn it!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 07:00 PM (aQy7p)

4 Guns!

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:01 PM (JgU20)

5 Good evening everyone
And hope all have a great Thanksgiving

Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2023 07:01 PM (fwDg9)

6 Foist!

Posted by: Ciampino - By parasites I don't mean democrats at November 19, 2023 07:01 PM (qfLjt)

7 Bang bang bang bang

Posted by: Eromero at November 19, 2023 07:01 PM (NxC5+)

8 That mailbag (yeah, reading bottom up, I guess) should have at the end of the mom's statement, "You know, like those men I've warned you about." Because they really are the same.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:02 PM (JgU20)

9 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea. I have lots of gubby goodness this week. But first I will take a peek at the content.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:02 PM (dWjpk)

10 Thank you to the commenters who responded to my "cocked and locked" query. I learned that it only applies to the original 1911 design, not more recent variants like my SW model which is double action. I'll keep it anyway.
The learning never stops!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 19, 2023 07:04 PM (MeG8a)

11 encountering technical difficulties in the form of blowing up

At SpaceX they call this "rapid unscheduled disassembly."

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:04 PM (dWjpk)

12 Evening all!! I went and read the content.

Blake!!! Congrats and welcome to the club!!!

Check your sanity at the door as you go down the rabbit hole of long range shooting.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 19, 2023 07:05 PM (fe7in)

13 Check your sanity at the door as you go down the rabbit hole of long range shooting.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 19, 2023 07:05 PM

Seriously. Or any other serious competitive shooting discipline. It's a strange, yet beautiful world...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 07:06 PM (aQy7p)

14 How do all y'all manage your range time?
You know, I should use the inevitable cooking shortfalls as an excuse. "Honey, I need to go out for another pound of flour. It'll only take me a couple of hours." Then grab the range bag and go to the grocery that's down by the range....

(Yes, I went back to the top. So I'm non-linear tonight. Just 'cause our bullets go in a straight line doesn't mean our thinking has to. :p )

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:07 PM (JgU20)

15 awwww ... made the mistake of playing the first Weasel video to the end and saw the late Weaseldog adding his stamp of approval to the effort. That's gonna cast a shadow over my Gub Thread for sure.

Anyway, howdy, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and I echo Skip's wishes for all to have a grand Thanksgiving, including especially our host Weasel.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 07:07 PM (v23vE)

16 I know we don't do politics round here, but seems like one of our favorite fake Indian Senators has decided that if she can't ban guns, well, she'll just restrict bulk ammo sales. I suspect its more fundraising fodder and they would never pass such a thing. BUT THEN AGAIN....

So, anyway, if we can't stop this crap from happening legislatively, I wonder if our esteemed host might have any suggestions about alternative ways we might deal with such a possibility?

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:08 PM (dWjpk)

17 https://pjmedia.com/california suspends gun license-of-la-homeowner for protecting his family
https://tinyurl.com/4zuhffpt

Short story, coming home was jumped outside his residence, wife, child and house keeper inside, he defended himself due to carry permit, no one was killed but now they are going to pull his permit

Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2023 07:09 PM (fwDg9)

18 Spite purchase, nice phrase. I am reminded that I never even wanted an AR-15 until politicians wanted to ban them.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 19, 2023 07:09 PM (MeG8a)

19 Short story, coming home was jumped outside his residence, wife, child and house keeper inside, he defended himself due to carry permit, no one was killed but now they are going to pull his permit
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2023 07:09 PM (fwDg9)

Californication.

Seriously. Get out.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:09 PM (dWjpk)

20 Weasel me amigo loco. Thank you again for all the work you put into this thread. Much appreciated. So awhile back I shot a Ruger SP 101 a coupla times in 357. Fell in love with it. No haven't bought one.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:11 PM (RYLTI)

21 Short story, coming home was jumped outside his residence, wife, child and house keeper inside, he defended himself due to carry permit, no one was killed but now they are going to pull his permit
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2023 07:09 PM (fwDg9)

Californication.

Seriously. Get out.
Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:09 PM (dWjpk)

Seriously. One of the causative events prior to the Declaration of Independence was a series of punitive British laws called the Intolerable Acts. Pulling that guy's permit (and thus making him legally defenseless against the next attack) seems pretty close.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 07:12 PM (v23vE)

22 Anyone carry a concealed revolver?
I carry a derringer from time to time. Yeah, that one, the one the ladies in the DMV MGC hate, with the funky trigger pull.

I really should get a proper holster made for it, that accounts for its oddities in shape. The pocket holster isn't perfect, and the ankle holster is, well, an ankle holster, with all of its issues. Would some of that hobby plastic give me a mold I could send off to a holster maker? (The stuff you can shape when it gets warm.)

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:12 PM (JgU20)

23 Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:08 PM (dWjpk)
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Buy ammo, reloading gear, and components.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:13 PM (JwHpX)

24 What Are Bullets Made From?
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Snails and puppy-dog tails??

Except Nurse Ratched's made of sugar and spice and everything nice??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 07:13 PM (krqg6)

25 7 Bang bang bang bang
Posted by: Eromero

Only four, so you weren't really serious?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2023 07:14 PM (hOUT3)

26 Good evening hordelings. Lots to be thankful for - including this island of weirdness and sanity.

Posted by: TRex at November 19, 2023 07:14 PM (IQ6Gq)

27 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:11 PM (RYLTI)
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My pleasure, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:14 PM (JwHpX)

28 Weasel-San!

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:14 PM (FPsm2)

29 I started off working the rifle pit
Please explain "rifle pit." Because I'm envisioning a WW1 trench line.

(And very cool at your participation in that match, Blake!)

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:14 PM (JgU20)

30 A World Without ~~Copper~~ Zinc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1iCZpFMYd0

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 07:15 PM (krqg6)

31 I've told this story here before but the second gun I ever bought was partially a spite purchase. A Para-Ordnance P12, bought on Cinco de Mayo, 1994. That was the date that my congressman voted for the AWB despite his staff members telling me twice when I had called in the preceding days that he was against it.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 19, 2023 07:16 PM (nfrXX)

32 Great AR video Weasel, thanks!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2023 07:16 PM (hOUT3)

33 Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:14 PM (FPsm2)
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Grasshopper!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:16 PM (JwHpX)

34 I got a 686 for my sister, some years ago. Go ahead, say it:
Good trade!

No doubt it's "too much gun" for her, but it's seven shots (a surefire gunfight winner), reliable as a brick, and a very stable platform loaded with .38. Used only For The Home, so draw-and-present is hardly an issue. Wish I could get her out to practice with me more, though.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at November 19, 2023 07:17 PM (4PZHB)

35 thanks, Scuba.

And, yeah, I've gone down the long range rabbit hole already. I started doing some research on factory ammo and extreme velocity spread. It was startling to see how much of a difference ammunition velocity inconsistency can make at 1,000 yards.

Suffice to say I learned enough that I'm going to start buying ammo from Unknown Munitions for my rifle. They do a 178 Grain ELD-M @ 2775 fps, and, if I'm reading correctly, the expected velocity spread should be around 30f ps or less. I'll do this until I get my reloading equipment squared away.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:17 PM (z5vMw)

36 Dad and I used to go small game hunting when I was a teen. It was great fun and we'd usually go on Thanksgiving morning too. I remember it was miserably cold most of the time and I never had proper gloves.

It's funny the stuff one remembers.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 19, 2023 07:17 PM (x7plP)

37 I know we don't do politics round here, but seems like one of our favorite fake Indian Senators has decided that if she can't ban guns, well, she'll just restrict bulk ammo sales. I suspect its more fundraising fodder and they would never pass such a thing. BUT THEN AGAIN....

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:08 PM

*sigh*

I'm sure you all know, this one isn't my fault. Because Massachusetts.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 07:18 PM (aQy7p)

38 Today was DMV MGC and MiniMoMe. 5 in attendance, sra blaster and myself, Iris, Hrothgar, and Ed L. SWA was absent this time because she was late getting home from snorkeling in Mexico. Or meting out justice to the cartels like Sicario. One or the other.

Anyway we brought EP9s because they are legally braced pistols again (at least for now) and apparently the rest of the DMV brought theirs out, too. LOTS of braced pistols at the range today. Also Ed L. brought a recently Form 1'ed H&K SP-5K with ninja folding stock and a fully automatic assault vertical front grip.

We had lots of fun shooting today and made some other friends. There was a guy there who happened to be African American and he was wearing a "Black Guns Matter Shirt." He had a Q Honey Badger and a suppressed AR in .300 Blackout and a Kriss Vector 9 in snow camo and a 50 round drum and a binary trigger. I got to fire it! Surprised how heavy it was. Also by the binary trigger. But kinda liking it....

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:18 PM (dWjpk)

39 matching home defense and concealed carry weapons
Huh. My carry is a 9mm 1911 Officer, and my night stand is a .45 1911 GI. Some day I might put a light on my night stand gun (it's a 1911 with a rail).

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:18 PM (JgU20)

40 Blake, well done.
I need to start competing at 1000. The club has several events during the year, so there’s really no excuse.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:19 PM (FPsm2)

41 Please explain "rifle pit." Because I'm envisioning a WW1 trench line.

(And very cool at your participation in that match, Blake!)
Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:14 PM (JgU20)
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The target pit is located downrange below grade level. The rifle targets are moved up and down for scoring purposes. After a shot, the target is pulled down by a person in the pit, scored, then put back up.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:20 PM (z5vMw)

42 I think every gun I own that is not 50+ years old is a spite purchase.

Posted by: From about that Time at November 19, 2023 07:20 PM (4780s)

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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:17 PM (z5vMw)
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Let me know when you get your reloading gear set up.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:20 PM (JwHpX)

44 Gub!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 19, 2023 07:20 PM (V8he0)

45 The target pit is located downrange below grade level. The rifle targets are moved up and down for scoring purposes. After a shot, the target is pulled down by a person in the pit, scored, then put back up.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:20 PM

*recalls youth*

Good times.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 07:21 PM (aQy7p)

46 Just finished watching "In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders", about the infamous 1986 FBI shootout in Miami that influenced the FBI in moving to the 10mm and development of the ammunition protocols.
Pretty well done for a TV movie

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 19, 2023 07:21 PM (PWe8a)

47 not more recent variants like my SW model which is double action.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 19, 2023 07:04 PM (MeG8a)

Is it one of the double-stack "1911"s?
It seems a DA 1911 isn't really a 1911. /scratches head and looks quizzical/

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:21 PM (JgU20)

48 Please explain "rifle pit." Because I'm envisioning a WW1 trench line.

Essentially, yeah. A trench parallel to the firing line and the targets are on frames that either slide or pivot up into firing position and then down into the pit where someone marks the bullet hole with a paper disc so the shooter can see it and also places another visual marker around the edge of the frame to indicate the score.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 19, 2023 07:21 PM (nfrXX)

49 I've got this friend I often see at the pistol range. He always tapes a picture of his wife's little foo-foo dog on his targets. The dog has hated him for some reason ever since they first met, always growling at him, tearing up his stuff, biting him, sh-tting on his side of the bed, you get the idea. Now, he'd never hurt the dog, he loves his wife too much to ever do that, so he takes out his frustration at the range. I've never seen him miss, even with the foo-foo target all the way to the back. Not. One. Single. Time.
That's dedicated shooting there...

Posted by: May Be True or Not Range Stories at November 19, 2023 07:22 PM (Cq/sJ)

50 I'm all in on the Weasel Doctrine of ONE GUN.

Range report: shot my carry, SA EMP Ronin. 50 rounds. Worked both hands, one hand right and left and then hip shot. All on target.

Then had fun plinking with my Ruger Mark IV at 15 yards.

Fun!

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 has a BABY! at November 19, 2023 07:22 PM (d68ec)

51 >>> encountering technical difficulties in the form of blowing up

At SpaceX they call this "rapid unscheduled disassembly."
Posted by: blaster

Used to be an "anomaly".

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 07:22 PM (cOq4q)

52 Also, this thought hit me today.

If you don't have a binary trigger, you have a non-binary trigger.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:22 PM (dWjpk)

53 Seriously. Or any other serious competitive shooting discipline. It's a strange, yet beautiful world...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 07:06 PM (aQy7p)
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The range I belong to has matches of some sort every single week.

I've set aside pistol matches, for now, because I'm doing rifle competitions and am spending time practicing with my rifle rather than shooting pistol matches.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:23 PM (z5vMw)

54 I've mentioned it here before - the 686 is still my favorite weelgun.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 19, 2023 07:23 PM (V8he0)

55 50 I'm all in on the Weasel Doctrine of ONE GUN.

Range report: shot my carry, SA EMP Ronin. 50 rounds. Worked both hands, one hand right and left and then hip shot. All on target.

Then had fun plinking with my Ruger Mark IV at 15 yards.

Fun!
Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 has a BABY! at November 19, 2023 07:22 PM (d68ec)

I believe math is allowed in the gub thread. By my count, that is 2 guns.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:24 PM (dWjpk)

56 Range Report - What I learned at the range today:

To keep from getting “carbon lock” in a small caliber quieting device, lube the internals with Grill Spray.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:24 PM (FPsm2)

57 but now they are going to pull his permit
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2023 07:09 PM (fwDg9)

Whoa, whoa, whoa! We gave you a permit to CARRY a gun, not to SHOOT IT! Just who do you think you are, Jesse James?

Posted by: California Dons at November 19, 2023 07:24 PM (JgU20)

58 Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 has a BABY! at November 19, 2023 07:22 PM (d68ec)
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And it shows in your shooting!
*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:25 PM (JwHpX)

59 'Slap iron to it.'

Posted by: Eromero at November 19, 2023 07:25 PM (NxC5+)

60 Actually, on second thought, I did by a S&W snubbie a couple of years ago. Entering my 8th decade, I thought it might be useful to have a simple and foolproof tool in the bedside drawer. So maybe not all spite.
But I'm sure something pissed me off enough to get off my ass and buy it.

Posted by: From about that Time at November 19, 2023 07:26 PM (4780s)

61 The stainless 686 and the blued 586 are some of Smith and Wesson's finest revolvers of the modern era.

The model 60 Chief's Special is no slouch either but to shoot it well, you have to master the double action trigger stroke.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 07:26 PM (9A2aL)

62 Except Nurse Ratched's made of sugar and spice and everything nice??
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 07:13 PM (krqg6)

I wonder what it would take to get sugar and spice in the tip of a hollow point? Like all the people now basically putting a plastic plug in there to aid expansion. Also, could you do it with glitter?

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:27 PM (JgU20)

63 Nice pics of the 686, Weasel, I've got one myself and I do find it to be quite pretty. Shoots quite well, too.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:28 PM (z5vMw)

64 One gunny bunny!

Two gunny bunnies!!!

Posted by: The Count at November 19, 2023 07:29 PM (krqg6)

65 I've set aside pistol matches, for now, because I'm doing rifle competitions and am spending time practicing with my rifle rather than shooting pistol matches.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:23 PM

My club does a fall/winter vintage rifle match. I really need to shoot that one of these weekends.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 07:29 PM (aQy7p)

66 Cannibal Bob, Jr. may have had the Ruger SP 101 in 2” and 6” bbls. Before the accident, I shot it in .38 and .357. Sweet.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:29 PM (FPsm2)

67 I sort of believe Nurse R would be miffed at having her gun stuff described as being made of sugar and spice.

I think she's more vinegar and spite, myself.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:29 PM (z5vMw)

68 it's seven shots (a surefire gunfight winner)
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at November 19, 2023 07:17 PM (4PZHB)

"So, you have to ask yourself: did he fire five or six shots?"
...
"I gotta know man."
BLAM!
"It's a seven-shot revolver, dummy."

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:30 PM (JgU20)

69 I wonder what it would take to get sugar and spice in the tip of a hollow point? Like all the people now basically putting a plastic plug in there to aid expansion. Also, could you do it with glitter?
Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:27 PM

Load +P. Spicy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 07:30 PM (aQy7p)

70 When I was a wee lad, I had a headless chicken chase me around the yard. Back then I wasn't carrying so I ran like the dickens and with no eyes it followed.

Never again. I'm packing.

Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 07:30 PM (PbTeh)

71 Shooting the Extar EP9 today I had forgotten how fun it is.

I still recommend them. They still sell them in pistol configuration but without a brace. And they are available in .45 now.

And now in carbine in 9mm.

Still cheap.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:30 PM (dWjpk)

72 Weasel, I have divided all time into BMoMe and AMoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:31 PM (JwGX/)

73 Hi Ben!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:32 PM (z5vMw)

74 Nurse, is your Mark IV the .22-45?

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:32 PM (FPsm2)

75 Blaster, it's a collapsible stock from B&T and the classic H&K "broom handle" vertical foregrip. After seeing everyone else and myself putting a little over 100+ rounds through that SP5K-PDW today, I've come to the conclusion that while it's absolutely awesome at 15 yards and in, the iron sights alone aren't good enough to reach out to 25 yards, even with the stock. SRA Blaster tried a 10 round mag dump at ten yards without using the stock, using the H&K "push-pull" technique. She did pretty well, putting 9 out of ten rounds in a bullseye circle, with the tenth going a bit low, but still on the paper.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 07:32 PM (yRXSd)

76 > At SpaceX they call this "rapid unscheduled disassembly."
Posted by: blaster

That goes back at least to Three Mile Island, where what happened was described as an "energetic disassembly".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 19, 2023 07:32 PM (W5ArC)

77 Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:31 PM (JwGX/)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:32 PM (JwHpX)

78 PSA has a good Black Friday sale going on. 5.56 ammo by AAC in stock. Winchester bulk 5.56 500 & 1,000 round boxes in 55 grain in there as well.

Posted by: DCA at November 19, 2023 07:33 PM (g6yL9)

79 The target pit is located downrange
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:20 PM (z5vMw)

Aha. I might have figured that out if I had actually read for comprehension the next line or two. Thanks.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:33 PM (JgU20)

80 I used to carry a Smith and Wesson snubbie similar to what is pictured above but a somewhat older early 70's one. Point naturally for me and shoots better than I can and with the Federal HST 38 Special +p, it expands extremely well in ballistic gel and this load shoots close enough to the sights.

The model 60 came out with fixed sights regulated to the so called FBI load of a swaged 158 gr. Lead Hollow Point (LHP) +p so faster and lighter bullets have a point of impact a bit low from the sights.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 07:33 PM (9A2aL)

81 That's dedicated shooting there...
Posted by: May Be True or Not Range Stories at November 19, 2023 07:22 PM (Cq/sJ)

That's motivated shooting. Heh.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:34 PM (JgU20)

82 So here's my issue. (Well, just one of many). Carry 9mm for defense up close and personal. However, i have a Keltec sub 2000 for longer range. 30 rnd.. Clip. So, what defense ammo for that? I have tried to decide by search and reading. 124 gr., 115 gr. FMJ, hollow point, serrated point, hollow point with plastic insert? I guess I'm interested in accuracy at a longer range than a hand gun and most stopping power. After awhile my head hurt and it started to smell suspiciously like math. I buy Hornady for our glocks. 124 gr.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (RYLTI)

83 > he defended himself due to carry permit, no one was killed but now they are going to pull his permit

What are these "permits" of which they speak?

OT: the new President of Argentina has a few minor changes planned for the government.

https://tinyurl.com/3a4n9xv5

LOL!

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (W5ArC)

84 GWB, the cool thing about the pit is you get to hear the supersonic crack of bullets going overhead.
Without actually being shot at.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (FPsm2)

85 blake, nicely done and awesome report!

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (aBJcM)

86 Please tell us about your dad and any shooting you might have done together. Did he teach you how to shoot?

My Dad had little or no interest in firearms after returning from WWII. Maybe 2 Purple Hearts sort of dampened his enthusiasm. To his credit, he never discouraged me from pursuing it on my own. Miss ya, Pops.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (V8he0)

87 Hi Blake. Next year in Corsicana again!

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:36 PM (JwGX/)

88 OT, but Javier Milei won the election for President in Argentina.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2023 07:36 PM (D7oie)

89 One thing to note if you are carrying the 1 7/8 barrel Chief's Special is that you have to raise it up and punch the ejector rod to empty it. The ejectors on the very short barrel snubbies is not long enough to eject them holding the firearm horizontal.

Makes a difference if you plan to use speed strips or a speedloader and a fired cartridge rim caught under the ejector star will tie up a revolver if you only partially eject it.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 07:37 PM (9A2aL)

90 Just finished watching "In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders", about the infamous 1986 FBI shootout in Miami that influenced the FBI in moving to the 10mm and development of the ammunition protocols.
Pretty well done for a TV movie
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 19, 2023 07:21 PM (PWe8a)

Yup...I remember that, back in the olden days. The FBI ran into a couple of hard dudes, former Army if I remember right, not some Granny who visited washington dc on a whim, who had no fucks left to give and were going down swinging like the SLA.

And swing they did.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2023 07:37 PM (R/m4+)

91 Today coming back from the range I realized that I had let my gub area (you know, the place I WOULD keep gubs if they weren't at bottom of the dang creek) had gotten untidy and particularly ammunition had gotten out of order. I have labels on some ammo boxes and well the bullets and the labels didn't all match up, plus a couple of boxes of bulk that hadn't been opened yet. I was happy to find that I had more of pretty much everything than I thought I had. I am a bit light in the .45 department need to remedy that.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:37 PM (dWjpk)

92 @Weasel, will do about the reloading equipment!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:37 PM (z5vMw)

93 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:17 PM (z5vMw)
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Let me know when you get your reloading gear set up.
Posted by: Weasel

Don't forget the 'unboxing' and setup vids.

Wish I did that for my reloading setup. But now there is so much stuff the bench is invisible.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 07:37 PM (cOq4q)

94 Really, isn't every weapon an assault weapon?

Elsewise, what would be the point?

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 19, 2023 07:38 PM (OX9vb)

95 Howdy horde! Nice looking S&Ws Weasel! I love revolvers even though I shoot them like crap. Not near enough practice, which segues into my having not practiced at all in several weeks. With anything. sigh
Nice shooting Blake! I would love to try to work up to doing that, but lack of practice hinders that just a bit. Not to mention I would need to expand my collection a bit and caliber creep would take place once again. Hmmm, sounds like a good excuse to practice with what I have already and see if I can improve my skills with those.

Posted by: Dag Nabbits, formerly 10 Gallon Hat at November 19, 2023 07:38 PM (RMChh)

96 My dad took my sister and I shooting, way back when. My dad wasn't much into guns, though I always was.

Soon as my buddy and I got our licenses, we were on their property shooting ground squirrels.

CA back in the seventies was a different world.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:39 PM (z5vMw)

97 Just wanted to say that I like the cute cartoon up top.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2023 07:39 PM (8vKhJ)

98 Getting ready to take a rack of babyback ribs off the smoker, so before the thread closes I want to wish everyone of you the very finest and happiest Thanksgiving. Eat lots and take naps!!

Posted by: Dag Nabbits, formerly 10 Gallon Hat at November 19, 2023 07:40 PM (RMChh)

99 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:37 PM (z5vMw)
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Happy to help. My match loads had an ES of <7 fps making them very consistent, but there is definitely a process involved!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:40 PM (JwHpX)

100 Back when I was in South Dakota, I picked out what turned out to be one of the last Colt Detective Specials as a concealed carry revolver. I chose it because I thought it fit my hand better than the S&W Chief's Special (due to the factory Pachmyar rubber grips) had six rounds of .38 Special vice five in the Chief's Special, and because it was cheaper. The Chief's Special was going for $300 at the time. I got that Detective Special for $250. Still have it today.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 07:40 PM (yRXSd)

101 Also, could you do it with glitter?
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Sparkle rounds!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 07:41 PM (krqg6)

102 I buy Hornady for our glocks. 124 gr.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (RYLTI)

I would stick with that if it feeds. Makes buying ammo a little easier.
The big question (for me) would be whether one or another weight cycles the bolt properly.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:41 PM (JgU20)

103 A Delta Elite may be on the horizon.

Posted by: Eromero at November 19, 2023 07:41 PM (NxC5+)

104 blake, nicely done and awesome report!
Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (aBJcM)
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thank you.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:41 PM (z5vMw)

105 Posted by: Dag Nabbits, formerly 10 Gallon Hat at November 19, 2023 07:38 PM (RMChh)
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Howdy DN!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:41 PM (JwHpX)

106 94 Really, isn't every weapon an assault weapon?

Elsewise, what would be the point?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!

Technically, I think they should be viewed as "response weapons"!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2023 07:42 PM (hOUT3)

107 > Anyone carry a concealed revolver?

I carry a S&W model 637 .38 in a kydex Alabama Holsters pocket holster sometimes. I put a stripper clip with six more rounds in the front coin pocket when I carry that way.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 19, 2023 07:42 PM (300wI)

108 82 So here's my issue. (Well, just one of many). Carry 9mm for defense up close and personal. However, i have a Keltec sub 2000 for longer range. 30 rnd.. Clip. So, what defense ammo for that? I have tried to decide by search and reading. 124 gr., 115 gr. FMJ, hollow point, serrated point, hollow point with plastic insert? I guess I'm interested in accuracy at a longer range than a hand gun and most stopping power. After awhile my head hurt and it started to smell suspiciously like math. I buy Hornady for our glocks. 124 gr.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob
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The answer is what your wallet can stand but foremost what feeds well and is accurate in your 9mm firearms and shoots a POI (point of impact where the bullet lands) that is the same as your POA (point of aim via sights)

Golden Sabers (Remington), HST (Federal), Ranger T (Winchester), or Speer Gold Dots all work. Hornady and those using XTP bullets may or may not feed as the bullet profile is different.

Guntests.com might have a review of the Keltec carbine fired with a variety of 9mm ammo so you can find out what their experiences with it are.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 07:43 PM (9A2aL)

109 the new President of Argentina
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (W5ArC)

You HAVE to love that 60s mop of hair!

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:43 PM (JgU20)

110 Technically, I think they should be viewed as "response weapons"!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2023 07:42 PM (hOUT3)

I'll go along with that.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 19, 2023 07:43 PM (OX9vb)

111 At the range a dad and daughter (she must have been 12 or 13) were shooting with the guy with the Honey Badger and the other stuff. Those guys apparently do extenisive trigger work on their guns, and it was the first time the girl had been shooting, and she was having trouble.

So sra blaster did what she does and took her under her wing and let her shoot her P365 with stock trigger and she did well and really liked it.

Also, later a couple other guys in the lane next to us let sra blaster shoot a suppressed AR pistol in 5.56. They were wearing gloves, she wasn't. Between the suppressor and the billet quad rail, it became uncomfortable to hold barehanded after just a few shots. But she really enjoyed it.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:44 PM (dWjpk)

112 Oh before I go, since you asked, my dad bought me my first BB gun when I was in third grade. Unfortunately he was shipped off to Viet Nam soon after and then died in service soon after he returned to the states. So I never got to shoot with him, but he did stress the rules of the road while he had a chance and I have never forgotten them.

Posted by: Dag Nabbits, formerly 10 Gallon Hat at November 19, 2023 07:44 PM (RMChh)

113 I would stick with that if it feeds. Makes buying ammo a little easier.

The big question (for me) would be whether one or another weight cycles the bolt properly.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:41 PM (JgU20)

Actually GWB, that IS the big question. Reliability through 30 rds. and more for the Keltec action. I will be testing that. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:44 PM (RYLTI)

114 Up early tomorrow
Hope all have a great evening

Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2023 07:45 PM (fwDg9)

115 70 When I was a wee lad, I had a headless chicken chase me around the yard. Back then I wasn't carrying so I ran like the dickens and with no eyes it followed.

Never again. I'm packing.

Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 07:30 PM (PbTeh)
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So you're chicken to face a faceless chicken?

Posted by: Ciampino - could that be described as feckless? at November 19, 2023 07:45 PM (qfLjt)

116 bonhomme, yes

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:45 PM (JwGX/)

117 Happy to help. My match loads had an ES of
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:40 PM (JwHpX)
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Great, I really do appreciate all the help. The rifle class you did at the MoMe helped tremendously but, darn it if some of that learning didn't leave my head, what with everything else I was trying to do.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:45 PM (z5vMw)

118 Ed L , that Colt Detective Special is the most beautiful blue ever was.

Posted by: Eromero at November 19, 2023 07:46 PM (NxC5+)

119 Really, isn't every weapon an assault weapon?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 19, 2023 07:38 PM (OX9vb)

It's only an assault weapon if the miscreant decides to vacate if you display it.

If you pull the trigger, it's a battery weapon.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:46 PM (JgU20)

120 Midsouth> 'Sample Packs for Testing'. Ten bullets for test firing. What a great idea.

Posted by: Javems at November 19, 2023 07:46 PM (8I4hW)

121 I used to think Elon Musk was a major douchebag, but clearly, he is the greatest facilitator we have known in two centuries.

My hat is off to him for giving people the opportunity to do what they do best and for his support toward the advancing of our limited knowledge as a retarded species.

Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 07:46 PM (PbTeh)

122 You HAVE to love that 60s mop of hair!
Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:43 PM (JgU20)

that and the Gadsen flags. Seriously.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2023 07:47 PM (D7oie)

123 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:35 PM (RYLTI)

Do consider buying at least a box of each of your top three choices. Load five or so rounds into a magazine and test fire it though your Kel-Tec. Some defense loads, usually (but not always) hollow points, won't feed well from some magazines and/or some guns. Choose your finalist based on what will actually feed into your firearm. Yes, it's a bit pricey. But I think it's better to find out sooner what defense ammo works for your weapon(s) rather than later during a close encounter of the worst kind.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 07:47 PM (yRXSd)

124 Range Report, Part II:
I finally decided to put a red dot on my Ruger Max 9. First problem - my nice OWB/IWB combo holster no longer fits it.
I went to my holster box (you do have one, right?) and could only find an old Miami Vice shoulder rig that fit. It was amazingly comfortable under my winter jacket.
I cowitnessed the dot last night and it was quite close when fired. One vertical adjustment was enough.
Swamp fox. So far, so good.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:48 PM (FPsm2)

125 Actually GWB, that IS the big question. Reliability through 30 rds. and more for the Keltec action. I will be testing that. Much appreciated.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

Gun test does have a review of the Kel tec and it basically ate 147 gr Winchester most accurately but they also say this "The remaining test cartridges, Winchester’s USA 115-grain hollowpoints and Federal’s 124-grain expanding metal jackets, each shot groups averaging 2.5 inches. With a high of 1315 fps and muzzle energy of 442 foot-pounds, we think we’d opt for the power of the 115s. "

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 07:48 PM (9A2aL)

126 Actually GWB, that IS the big question. Reliability through 30 rds. and more for the Keltec action. I will be testing that. Much appreciated.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:44 PM (RYLTI)

Ideally feed it whatever you feed your carry pistol - so long as it works, of course. Trying to maintain different variations of the same caliber is hard to do. Whatever range ammo you shoot in the carry pistol, just feed that into the Keltec all the time.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:48 PM (dWjpk)

127 >>>So you're chicken to face a faceless chicken?

Posted by: Ciampino - could that be described as feckless?

>Dude, my great aunt planned that shit when she dropped the axe that chopped the head of the chicken. I knew it wasn't going to hurt me, but I was astounded by its tracking capabilities.

Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 07:50 PM (PbTeh)

128 Golden Sabers (Remington), HST (Federal), Ranger T (Winchester), or Speer Gold Dots all work. Hornady and those using XTP bullets may or may not feed as the bullet profile is different.

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I'm a fan of the HSTs and have never had any issues with them feeding in any pistols, ARs, or PCC

I like their performance tests, and you can sometimes find them on really great sales (think buckets, I figure law enforcement contracts) at classic firearms and similar sites.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is trying to do better and apologizes for teasing and making fun at November 19, 2023 07:50 PM (VzVXA)

129 I cowitnessed the dot last night and it was quite close when fired. One vertical adjustment was enough.
Swamp fox. So far, so good.
Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:48 PM (FPsm2)
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Did you push your sleeves up like Don Johnson when you put on the shoulder rig?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:50 PM (z5vMw)

130 Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:36 PM (JwGX/)

Same here, Ben Had!

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 07:50 PM (yRXSd)

131 Ok all, my vodka/tonic seems to have a evaporated. I truly wish you all a happy and peaceful Thanksgiving. I am thankful for this place and you all over the many years I have been here. Weasel, gluttony is not a sin on TDay. God bless.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:51 PM (RYLTI)

132 EdL, thank you for everything.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:51 PM (JwGX/)

133 Whatever range ammo you shoot in the carry pistol, just feed that into the Keltec all the time.
Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 07:48 PM (dWjpk)

Or, possibly, the other way 'round. If the Keltec runs well with another brand/version of ammo, then put that through your carry pistol and see if it eats it properly. If so, consider switching your carry gun to the other ammo. (Range or defense)

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 07:52 PM (JgU20)

134 Did you push your sleeves up like Don Johnson when you put on the shoulder rig?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:50 PM (z5vMw)

No, blake, but I didn’t shave today.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:53 PM (FPsm2)

135 115 70 When I was a wee lad, I had a headless chicken chase me around the yard. Back then I wasn't carrying so I ran like the dickens and with no eyes it followed.

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The problem with a headless chicken is, you can't reason with it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 19, 2023 07:53 PM (hiMh5)

136 Good evening Ben Had. Hope you're well. Like the before/after concept. Already looking forward to the next one.

Posted by: TRex at November 19, 2023 07:54 PM (IQ6Gq)

137 Keep an eye out for that Cannibal Bob. His idea of Thanksgiving may not coincide with your own. Just saying.

Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 07:54 PM (PbTeh)

138 Just read other advice on ammo. That's why i come here. Much appreciated all.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 19, 2023 07:54 PM (RYLTI)

139 I'm a fan of the HSTs and have never had any issues with them feeding in any pistols, ARs, or PCC

I like their performance tests, and you can sometimes find them on really great sales (think buckets, I figure law enforcement contracts) at classic firearms and similar sites.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Hornady's XTP is an innovative bullet but not all 9mm's feed them well or shoot them accurately. Over the years, I have had the best luck with Federal's Hydroshock and HST lines, Remington's Golden Sabers (aka Ultimate Defense now), and Speer Gold Dots. The samples that I have fired from Sig have also been quite nice in .380 ACP.

Lucky Gunner has a test lab of self defense ammo for various cartridges including 22 LR, etc. using ballistic gel testing. Not all of the cartridges are updated to the latest and greatest bullets but most of them are still sold.
https://tinyurl.com/3ve3dd9t

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 07:55 PM (9A2aL)

140 Whig, I’ve been very happy with 147 grain flat points out of my Smith & Wesson FPC. I shot it out of my Ruger to day and it felt good.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:55 PM (FPsm2)

141 Keep an eye out for that Cannibal Bob. His idea of Thanksgiving may not coincide with your own. Just saying.
Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 07:54 PM (PbTeh)
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You only have to worry if he hugs you.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 07:55 PM (z5vMw)

142 51 >>> encountering technical difficulties in the form of blowing up

At SpaceX they call this "rapid unscheduled disassembly."
Posted by: blaster

Used to be an "anomaly".

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 07:22 PM (cOq4q)

The all-time inside-NASA classics are,
"It was a bad day"
"It was a serious malfunction"
"I'm glad I'm not a (fill in the system that failed) engineer today"

Posted by: Gref at November 19, 2023 07:56 PM (5fDan)

143 118 Ed L , that Colt Detective Special is the most beautiful blue ever was.
Posted by: Eromero at November 19, 2023 07:46 PM (NxC5+)

I don't think anybody does anything like that Colt bluing job today for the same price, even if you account for inflation ($250 back then equals about $700 today?). What's crazy is that the Detective Special was priced as an entry level revolver, but it came with that bluing job as standard. Today, that same bluing job would command a premium price. And we're not even talking "Royal Blue" levels of bluing.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 07:57 PM (yRXSd)

144 No range time this week, but I ordered a "Liberty Band" from CrossBreed. Since I don't want to start wearing belts, and belly bands are kind of bulky to me (at least until I can lose about 20 more pounds), I thought this might work for me. Anybody have one?

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 07:58 PM (aBJcM)

145 For those of you that are contemplating a TXMOME you are never going to find a more dedicated group of people to share their knowledge and expertise.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:59 PM (JwGX/)

146 140 Whig, I’ve been very happy with 147 grain flat points out of my Smith & Wesson FPC. I shot it out of my Ruger to day and it felt good.
Posted by: RI Red

The new 147 grain hi tech bullets in 9mm are much superior to the older first generation 9mm self defense cartridges in that weight. They have a nice balance of penetration and expansion in good ammo.

A few of my nine's prefer the 124 grains in +p or NATO (Berettas and Sigs mostly). My older Smith and Wesson Third Generation pistols prefer the 115 grain for whatever reason and some like the new 147 grain cartridges as well.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 07:59 PM (9A2aL)

147 I regret letting my ex have the 686-4 in the divorce. I only gave it to her because she has two of my kids half the time. (The other stays with me full time, and she now has an M&P Shield and concealed carry rig.)

Bought a P365 and a SIG P320 X10 two weeks ago. What fantastic guns. After a lot of research, found the SIG Elite Performance 180gr V-crown will give around 1300fps and expands beautifully.

Posted by: SARDiver at November 19, 2023 08:00 PM (Cmxw7)

148 No, blake, but I didn’t shave today.
Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:53 PM

Didn't shave!? What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?!

Posted by: Zombie Gunny Hartman at November 19, 2023 08:01 PM (aQy7p)

149 135 115 70 When I was a wee lad, I had a headless chicken chase me around the yard. Back then I wasn't carrying so I ran like the dickens and with no eyes it followed.

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The problem with a headless chicken is, you can't reason with it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 19, 2023 07:53 PM (hiMh5)
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What do you expect from a mindless animal?

(Hey TSB, I was just having fun, no sarcasm implied).

Posted by: Ciampino - could that be described as feckless?? at November 19, 2023 08:02 PM (qfLjt)

150 145 For those of you that are contemplating a TXMOME you are never going to find a more dedicated group of people to share their knowledge and expertise.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:59 PM (JwGX/)

Word. Even if you can only get there once, gotta get there once.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 19, 2023 08:02 PM (OX9vb)

151 For those of you that are contemplating a TXMOME you are never going to find a more dedicated group of people to share their knowledge and expertise.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 07:59 PM

^^^This. All of this.

*channels Ahnuld*

Get your ass to TXMOME!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:02 PM (aQy7p)

152 Well, time to wander.

Thanks again for the kind words, everyone.

I cannot recommend match shooting enough, whether pistol or rifle.

Thanks again for the thread, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(z5vMw) at November 19, 2023 08:02 PM (z5vMw)

153 What do you expect from a mindless animal?

(Hey TSB, I was just having fun, no sarcasm implied).
Posted by: Ciampino - could that be described as feckless?? at November 19, 2023 08:02 PM

A Democrat vote?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:03 PM (aQy7p)

154 For when I get some more money, I've bookmarked the: Kel-Tec Sub 2000 Gen 2 M&P Multi-Mag 9mm 18.6″ Barrel Semi Auto Rifle as a 9mm possibility. Good for my morale to see others having ones here too.

But to start at .22LR to walk before running, I've looked at:

GSG-15 Standard Rifle .22LR 16.5″ Barrel [that I've read up on on Reddit threads about a few negatives to fix]

Mauser M-15 SEMI-AUTO CARBINE 22 LR [similar to the above]

And by chance I see that I had also bookmarked:

Kel-Tec SU-22E Semi 22LR 16″ Adjustable Sights Carbine

...that I assume is suitable as well if their 9mm PCC is okay too.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 08:04 PM (krqg6)

155 TRex,a very Happy Thanksgiving to you and Grateful. I will be in touch about a couple of things for next year.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:04 PM (JwGX/)

156 Can you imagine Gunny Hartman viewing our modern warriors in theater?
I let my beard hairs loose this summer when Mrs. Red was away.
She was not amused.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:04 PM (FPsm2)

157 Three things:

- In another time, long ago Eddy Van Halen's talent would be compared to Mozart

- Add Fox Cigar, J/R Cigar and Atlantic to vendors (bought from all, fair)

- Pulled out the Ruger PC9 the other day with a Venom red dot. 50 yds... put about 30 rounds into the center. Haven't shot the rifle in months.

That is all.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 19, 2023 08:06 PM (Q4IgG)

158 Can you imagine Gunny Hartman viewing our modern warriors in theater?
I let my beard hairs loose this summer when Mrs. Red was away.
She was not amused.
Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:04 PM

Seriously.

I let the beard hairs loose for a few days when I was sick, and gave up. My beard is so white, you wouldn't be able to tell I had a beard from a few feet away unless I went full Santa.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:06 PM (aQy7p)

159 Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 07:48 PM (FPsm2)

EVERYBODY has a holster box. I was rummaging around in mine trying to find a holster that fits my new FN Reflex while waiting for the one I ordered from DeSantis Holsters. The only thing I could find to fit was an old Yaqui Slide.

Weasel, I will try to send you a review and range report on the Reflex next week. So far, though, I think I'm really gonna like it.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 19, 2023 08:08 PM (PWe8a)

160 RMBS, I really look like I’m over 29 with the silver beard.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:09 PM (FPsm2)

161 OK, I gots something.
I just remembered that I have a high quality Black Powder hunting rifle that I haven't shot in years.
Knight Long Range Hunter. Green Mountain barrel. Guaranteed MOA at 200 yards.
I started looking for boolits and realized I probably quit shooting it cause I ran out.
Heh.
I never said I was smart.

Posted by: MkY at November 19, 2023 08:09 PM (cPGH3)

162 Weasel, I will try to send you a review and range report on the Reflex next week. So far, though, I think I'm really gonna like it.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 19, 2023 08:08 PM (PWe8a)
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Sounds good. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:09 PM (JwHpX)

163 >>>What do you expect from a mindless animal?

(Hey TSB, I was just having fun, no sarcasm implied).
Posted by: Ciampino - could that be described as feckless??

>You better watch your ass! I'll write a song and immortalize your dastardly ways.

Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 08:11 PM (PbTeh)

164 In the name of reciprocity any body want the recipe for grilled duck breasts with blackberry sage sauce?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (JwGX/)

165 Wasn't able to make the range this week, but the reloading bench has been busy. Thanks to Mr Weasel's link to AmmoSeek I found three new gun stuff suppliers I had never heard of that came through splendidly. Got 50 round boxes of Fed 9mm HST, bulk quantities of 45 acp, 9mm and 223 cases. All delivered within a few days. All cases are nickel. They look purty to me when loaded. Nickel cases also mean you get the good stuff. For example, the 223 cases were almost entirely Speer and FC. They are also easier to pick up at the range.
I bought a Lee Ram Swage to remove crimps on 223 cases. Easy to set up and quick to use. Highly recommend. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: R Hill at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (eZBb2)

166 Back on topic: anybody have a good supplier of compact 9 mm with optics holsters?

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (FPsm2)

167 For .357 Mag, I'm still a fan of the old yet still proven Winchester Silvertip, in the scarce 145gr. loading.

From the 4" Model 28, it'll zip on out at 1,270ish fps, yet something about the gliding aluminum jacket, the nature of the pressure curve generated by whatever power they use... it's an amazingly mild recoiling "Magnum" round.

Similarly, I don't feel "under-powered" with 185gr. fmj ball from the .45 ACP in the Combat Commander. Right at 1,000 fps in most brands, flat shooting, i.e; to point of aim out to 50 yards. Its already a "half-inch hole" at that weight and velocity, so I'm not worried much about expansion, but it's the most reliable feed and being fmj ball, one hell of a penetrator.

Oh, and smooth as silk to shoot. Mild recoil, compared to the 230 gr., follow up shots have that front sight back on target, muy pronto!

And, Mr. Weasel? Hell, I'd not complain if you pinned that first pic of the 686 as a permanent "logo" for the Gun Thread. It is just simply, one of the most beautiful, perfectly proportioned revolvers, ever.

Happy (almost) Thanksgiving, Horde!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (e6UQI)

168 In the name of reciprocity any body want the recipe for grilled duck breasts with blackberry sage sauce?
Posted by: Ben Had

Lawdamighty! Wish my SO ate duck.
Print it, for those who will.

Posted by: MkY at November 19, 2023 08:14 PM (cPGH3)

169 164 In the name of reciprocity any body want the recipe for grilled duck breasts with blackberry sage sauce?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (JwGX/)

I would like the recipe for the sauce, please. I'm not very adventurous, but that sounds intriguing.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 19, 2023 08:14 PM (OX9vb)

170 The 168 ELD is an excellent box round for 1,000. You're still over 2,000 at 500 yds with decent energy. Before those loads, I was using the 155 HSM which gives you less velocity at 500, and is more subject to the wind, but I still know a bunch of guys who still custom load that as their lr round of choice.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2023 08:14 PM (YmKky)

171 For those of you with a Scheels store in your area, they are having a Black Friday sale, including some reloading supplies. CCI small pistol and small rifle primers are $59.49 a brick, which is the cheapest I've seen since 2019.

Looks like their stores are all in the West or Mid-west.
https://tinyurl.com/42v4u4b6

Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 08:15 PM (F6Xpw)

172 MkY, it can be found in The Deplorable Gourmet.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:15 PM (JwGX/)

173 In the name of reciprocity any body want the recipe for grilled duck breasts with blackberry sage sauce?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM

Mmmmm. I have a (high end) game cookbook that has a recipe for venison with blackberry sage sauce. That sauce rocks. Please share your version!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:17 PM (aQy7p)

174 And we're not even talking "Royal Blue" levels of bluing.
Posted by: Ed L
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It was the polishing jobs by lifetime Colt employees that made Colts glow like that.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 08:17 PM (9A2aL)

175 Ben Had, you haven’t met Junior (yet). When he was 4, we dressed him up in his Sunday best suit and tie and went to a high-falutin’ restaurant. After being told some menu items, he told the waitress, “I’ll have the duck, please.”

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:17 PM (FPsm2)

176 172 MkY, it can be found in The Deplorable Gourmet.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:15 PM (JwGX/)

*trots off to review TDG. Thanks!

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 19, 2023 08:18 PM (OX9vb)

177 155 TRex,a very Happy Thanksgiving to you and Grateful. I will be in touch about a couple of things for next year.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:04 PM
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Fire away!! (Ha! Moron humor.)

Posted by: TRex at November 19, 2023 08:18 PM (IQ6Gq)

178 RMBS, Lots of merlot.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:19 PM (JwGX/)

179 Posted by: R Hill at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (eZBb2)
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You're welcome! Welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:19 PM (JwHpX)

180 Ben Had, you haven’t met Junior (yet). When he was 4, we dressed him up in his Sunday best suit and tie and went to a high-falutin’ restaurant. After being told some menu items, he told the waitress, “I’ll have the duck, please.”
Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:17 PM

Raised him well, you did.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:20 PM (aQy7p)

181 RI Red, that's a boy that's been raised right.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:21 PM (JwGX/)

182 Anyone remember "Let's Go! Eat Duck!"

Good times, good times...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2023 08:21 PM (R/m4+)

183 166 Back on topic: anybody have a good supplier of compact 9 mm with optics holsters?
Posted by: RI Red
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Most of the optic friendly holsters that I have seen seem to be some variation of a minimal slide holster. If you have a law enforcement oriented gun shop around, they might have some different holsters because Law Enforcement appears to be moving toward optics on handguns as the next thing.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 08:22 PM (9A2aL)

184 Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (FPsm2)

Wild Bill's Concealment (WBC) Holsters. They show up at the Chantilly gun show regularly with a pretty wide array of concealed carry holsters. They were able to dig up a holster for my 2.5 inch barreled Colt Python. Take a look at their web page and see if you like what's there.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 08:22 PM (yRXSd)

185 RMBS, Lots of merlot.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:19 PM

Mine uses Zinfandel. Very similar to yours.

If you want a nice higher end game cookbook, I recommend American Game Cooking, by John Ash and Sid Goldstein. It's been a go-to for 30 years. Worth it for the sauces alone.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:24 PM (aQy7p)

186 Word. Even if you can only get there once, gotta get there once.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at November 19, 2023 08:02 PM (OX9vb)

This. It will become self-explanatory after you have experienced it.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 08:24 PM (v23vE)

187 164 In the name of reciprocity any body want the recipe for grilled duck breasts with blackberry sage sauce?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (JwGX/)
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It took 164 comments for bewbs to be mentioned! And bird bewbs at that. Folks we are not in Britain where women are often referred to as birds.
I don't recognize you lot any longer.

Posted by: Ciampino - Boobies have breasts too at November 19, 2023 08:25 PM (qfLjt)

188 Weasel, just emailed you an optics question.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:25 PM (aQy7p)

189 166 Back on topic: anybody have a good supplier of compact 9 mm with optics holsters?
Posted by: RI Red

Believe it or not, Amazon and eBay.

I got a holster for a P365 w/optic that is pretty much exactly the same as non-optic, just a little bit cut out of the top.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 08:26 PM (dWjpk)

190 Weasel, just emailed you an optics question.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:25 PM (aQy7p)
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I'll check, but the answer is going to be Nightforce.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:26 PM (JwHpX)

191 RI Red, I’ve had good luck with Tulster and Vedder for IWB with optic.

Posted by: Kratwurst at November 19, 2023 08:26 PM (i/LKe)

192 RMBS, he was an only child to a couple of 39 y.o.s. We didn’t change our lifestyle at all, but took him out to shows at Providence Performing Arts ( he loved Les Mis and practiced marching around barricades), and fine dining on Federal Hill (loves real Italian food).
We didn’t spoil him (much), and he turned out good.
You’ll meet him up here some time. Merchant Marine officer. Does cool stuff.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (FPsm2)

193 RMBS, I'm going to experiment with some venison Chile's relleno

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (JwGX/)

194 Good evening all.
as Blaster mentioned I missed todays fun range day but I have dutifully read all the comments so hoping I get a pass for my diligence.
Hoping to roust some people from their after turkey lethargy and maybe shoot next weekend. Any takers?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (t/2Uw)

195 I'll check, but the answer is going to be Nightforce.
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:26 PM

LOL I noted that. Thanks.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (aQy7p)

196 99
Happy to help. My match loads had an ES of

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 07:40 PM (JwHpX)

Weasel: What rifle powder(s) do you use for match-grade accuracy? I'm not looking for specific load data, just suggestions on what powders you have found to have good accuracy potential.

Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (F6Xpw)

197 I spent this past week hunting with my dad. I fired three 6mm rounds and put three deer on the ground; none ran more than 75 yards. I also downed four or five pheasants, although I admit to firing more than four or five shells. Ots been a few years since I've hunted, but dad taught me well.

Posted by: PabloD at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (ohsd/)

198 [i/]RMBS, I'm going to experiment with some venison Chile's relleno
Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM

Om, nom, nom...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:28 PM (aQy7p)

199 Back on topic: anybody have a good supplier of compact 9 mm with optics holsters?
Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:12 PM (FPsm2)

Check out DeSantis Gunhide Sidestep holster:
https://tinyurl.com/y4hcn8xa

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 19, 2023 08:28 PM (PWe8a)

200 Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 08:17 PM (9A2aL)

And I'll bet that the relentless push to reduce costs imposed by the market (plus more than a little help from the corporate raiders who owned Colt from the 1990s until CZ took over) put an end to all that. I think that the days of seeing bluing work like that on anything but the highest end firearms or custom jobs are over.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 08:28 PM (yRXSd)

201 Thanks for the last, the mom is right.
I'm sending it to my sibs.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 19, 2023 08:29 PM (MJv9a)

202 Ben Had, I'll take that recipe. I love fruity duck recipes.
i had duck confit tacos in Mexico.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 19, 2023 08:30 PM (t/2Uw)

203 i had duck confit tacos in Mexico.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 19, 2023 08:30 PM

If you like duck confit, I have a great recipe for you. Gotta sous vide that shit!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 08:31 PM (aQy7p)

204 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (t/2Uw)

I'm interested.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 08:31 PM (yRXSd)

205 Oh, I knew the Horde would come through. I suspect I will be “working” tomorrow and looking at optics holsters.
Thanks, all!

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:32 PM (FPsm2)

206 Back on topic: anybody have a good supplier of compact 9 mm with optics holsters?
Posted by: RI Red

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He's been mentioned here before, but there's a Marine near Tryon, NC that started out making holsters and now has a full gun store. He still makes holsters and has models for most everything. He's the only place I could find to make something with an unusual light. Highly recommended.

Gunners Haven

Posted by: Moron Robbie is trying to do better and apologizes for teasing and making fun at November 19, 2023 08:32 PM (VzVXA)

207 Duckbill Milanase...drool, drool.

Posted by: Bugs B. at November 19, 2023 08:33 PM (Z8Yh2)

208 Ed, I'll email you.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 19, 2023 08:34 PM (t/2Uw)

209 Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (F6Xpw)
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Hi Billy D and welcome to the Gun Thread! For my long range match rifle in 6.5-284, I used Hodgdon H4350.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:35 PM (JwHpX)

210 I bought my kid a 686 for his 21rst birthday. He has no interest in shooting anymore so I have it in the nightstand.
Love it. Good get to the better gun gun.

Posted by: Reforger at November 19, 2023 08:35 PM (3SnuR)

211 Sharon. the wine keeps the sauce from being fruity. I amended it to accentuate the combination of the fruit with the sage.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:35 PM (JwGX/)

212 Amazed by that grouping in the video.

Fellow explaining the difference between magnum and special is interesting.

He speaks about loading a "hot" round. What does that mean? How does the heat vary given the same cartridge capacity? Is it different powder, more tightly packed?

Posted by: naftali (havel) at November 19, 2023 08:35 PM (Hv1dQ)

213 Any takers?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

Too many variables right now, but I will let you know!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2023 08:35 PM (hOUT3)

214 Word. Even if you can only get there once, gotta get there once.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!

This. It will become self-explanatory after you have experienced it.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy

Perhaps we should sport bumper stickers that read:

"It's a TXMoMe thing, you wouldn't understand."

Posted by: Tonypete at November 19, 2023 08:37 PM (x7plP)

215 Weasel, before I forget - thanks. Both for the GT and the awesome commenters, and the first person advice.
And yes, H 4350!

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:37 PM (FPsm2)

216 Ok about the heat, he mentioned "the right powder" so I guess that answers my question.

Posted by: naftali (havel) at November 19, 2023 08:38 PM (Hv1dQ)

217 MrTea and I were at the range twice this week. I'm still working on being comfortable with my 22 pistol. The first time it was just the two of us and his 9mm Feg, the shotgun and the new AR. Wow, that is so easy to shoot, but heavy for me.

The second time we went a friend from church, retired AF, retired LEO and trainer came to offer some tips. This is the first time I had a lane all to myself and was confident enough to do all my own shooting without MrTea right there. He was in the next lane. I feel like that was a big step of progress for me.
I'm working on shooting with both eyes open, and our friend had some tips and encouragement for me.

Posted by: TecumsehTea at November 19, 2023 08:38 PM (JrYM1)

218 Tonypete, thanks for the idea. I can get that done

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:39 PM (JwGX/)

219 And I'll bet that the relentless push to reduce costs imposed by the market (plus more than a little help from the corporate raiders who owned Colt from the 1990s until CZ took over) put an end to all that. I think that the days of seeing bluing work like that on anything but the highest end firearms or custom jobs are over.
Posted by: Ed L
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Colt had issues going back to the 50's according to those familiar with the situation. Bill Ruger remarked that the Colt management were not gun guys but golfers back then and Colt had fairly sour relations off and on with their labor unions while Smith and Wesson and upstarts like Ruger were eating into their consumer businesses. Colt management started focusing on defense contracts as a result.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 08:41 PM (9A2aL)

220 Ben Had, I've got one in trade. It's a go-to fruit glaze. Cook the duck until just before done, then add this and cook another ten minutes or so:

1 cup favorite preserves (I like raspberry, but apricot and peach are nice)
1/4 cup honey
A half-shot of brandy if you've got it, but it's not necessary.

Return to the oven and cook until the duck is done and the glaze caramalizes. I usually serve it with a rice pilaf. If you're entertaining cut open a bell pepper and stuff it with the rice and cook them for a few minutes to soften. Avoid cheese on top because it doesn't go real well with the glaze.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is trying to do better and apologizes for teasing and making fun at November 19, 2023 08:43 PM (BMWRT)

221 No range time in too long, but probably this weekend.

Finished loading all my 10mm and switch bask to 9mm.
Need to work up some loads for HAP / XTP. 1000 new brass and 1000 bullets. Looking at VihtaVouri 3N37 or 3N38. One load in their manual is pushing xxx at 1400fps out a 4" barrel.
Have to start low and work up to it.
See if anything weird happens before RUD.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 08:43 PM (cOq4q)

222 Posted by: TecumsehTea at November 19, 2023 08:38 PM (JrYM1)

Do consider getting snap caps for your .22 pistol. A-Zoom has a pack of 24 available for $13.98. This will allow you to safely dry fire your .22. It will also help you get familiar with the process of loading, chambering, and clearing your pistol without the risks of live ammo.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 08:44 PM (yRXSd)

223 Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 08:37 PM (FPsm2)
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Thank YOU for being here and contributing!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:44 PM (JwHpX)

224 Sorry, I just stumbled into the gun thread with nothing worthy of conversation, however, I do wish all of you and yours a very Happy Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at November 19, 2023 08:47 PM (Sgq8y)

225 Perhaps we should sport bumper stickers that read:

"It's a TXMoMe thing, you wouldn't understand."
Posted by: Tonypete at November 19, 2023 08:37 PM (x7plP)

For them as know, no explanation is needed.
For them as don't know, no explanation is possible.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 08:47 PM (v23vE)

226 Moron Robbie, thanks I will try that. I normally de bone the breasts and then make duck enchiladas in blue corn tortillas with the left over legs and neck meat

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:47 PM (JwGX/)

227 Posted by: TecumsehTea at November 19, 2023 08:38 PM (JrYM1)
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Excellent! Next time take a couple pictures and send them in!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:47 PM (JwHpX)

228 Anybody have one?
Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 07:58 PM (aBJcM)

Yes! Since I carry IWB, I like it. The belt clip on my regular holster fits nicely over the "belt" part. I don't use it much, but when I do, it works nicely. (And my mag holder works, too, since the over-the-pants part of that holder is nice and snug.)

Only issue I have is that, because it's elastic, I have to cinch it really tight around me and the gun, or a few minutes of carry will have me re-adjusting.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 08:47 PM (JgU20)

229 Thank you DDS - and a Happy Thanksgiving to you too!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 19, 2023 08:47 PM (x7plP)

230 >>> Colt management started focusing on defense contracts as a result.
Posted by: whig

More golf time with DoD to discuss business "incentives" than with sporting industry distributors and individual buyers.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 08:48 PM (cOq4q)

231 For them as know, no explanation is needed.
For them as don't know, no explanation is possible.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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The Horde cannot be Explained. It must be Experienced.

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 08:48 PM (aBJcM)

232 I figured that you were shooting some flavor of 284, so you like the 6.5 version. Nice!!

Posted by: ck at November 19, 2023 08:50 PM (ljHmZ)

233 I got some chili going right now, and unfortunately it won't be much of a Thanksgiving. But I have to fund raise while the cotton crop is good.

Thus, no range time...I am shooting (pun fully intended) for Christmastime for the range.

As far as music goes...RIP Charlie Domenici, the original vocalist of Dream Theater (1951-2023).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 19, 2023 08:50 PM (8sMut)

234 More golf time with DoD to discuss business "incentives" than with sporting industry distributors and individual buyers.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Most probably. Colt also had a flood at their historic factory after WWII and that also threw them for a loop. It probably allowed Ruger and Great Western to get some of the Colt Single Action market as well. in the 50s and the Woodsman was more or less taken out by the Ruger Std Model.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 08:50 PM (9A2aL)

235 The Horde cannot be Explained. It must be Experienced.
Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 08:48 PM (aBJcM)

To Know The Horde Is To Accept The Horde.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 19, 2023 08:51 PM (8sMut)

236 For them as know, no explanation is needed.
For them as don't know, no explanation is possible.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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The Horde cannot be Explained. It must be Experienced.

Posted by: screaming in digital

Truth

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 19, 2023 08:51 PM (t/2Uw)

237 209 Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (F6Xpw)
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Hi Billy D and welcome to the Gun Thread! For my long range match rifle in 6.5-284, I used Hodgdon H4350.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:35 PM (JwHpX)

Thanks. I've used IMR-4350 and had good results with it, accuracy-wise. Apparently IMR-4350 and H4350 are NOT the same powder, and are NOT interchangeable, since Hodgdon shows different load data for the two powders, for the same cartridge and bullet. And, to make things interesting, there's also AA4350, which has still different load data, in spite of the similar number. All three are distributed by Hodgdon, but appear to be different powders, with different load data, regardless of the similar names.

Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 08:51 PM (F6Xpw)

238 Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 08:41 PM (9A2aL)

Charles Clawson says that by the end of WWII, Colt was LOSING $$ on its M1911A1 contracts for the Army. So you could say the problems started even before the 1950s. I've always been reluctant to point the finger at the UAW (the union representing Colt workers) for Colt's troubles. The UAW may not have helped matters, but they didn't make the decisions to ignore the US civilian market, end all revolver production in 1999, minimize AR-15 sales for the civilian market, or any of the other numerous boneheaded decisions from management in the second half of the 20th century, or the first 15-20 years of the 21st century.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 08:53 PM (yRXSd)

239 Yes! Since I carry IWB, I like it. The belt clip on my regular holster fits nicely over the "belt" part. I don't use it much, but when I do, it works nicely. (And my mag holder works, too, since the over-the-pants part of that holder is nice and snug.)

Only issue I have is that, because it's elastic, I have to cinch it really tight around me and the gun, or a few minutes of carry will have me re-adjusting.
Posted by: GWB
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Thank you! This is good to know. I have a good holster for the P365, but don't want to start wearing pants with belt loops all the time. (that's only when I can show up to the book thread)

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 08:53 PM (aBJcM)

240 Weasel, I do have pics of my targets. I just didn't get them in to you on time.

I'm thankful for this site and the work you do for it. I read it, not understanding most of what I'm reading, but the more I learn about guns the more things make sense and I'm able to start putting pieces of information together.

We do have snap caps and have been using them for practice loading and unloading and clearing the guns.

Posted by: TecumsehTea at November 19, 2023 08:53 PM (JrYM1)

241 ooking at VihtaVouri 3N37 or 3N38. One load in their manual is pushing xxxgr at 1400fps out a 4" barrel.
Have to start low and work up to it.
See if anything weird happens before RUD.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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A lot, if not most, of VihtaVuori's powders are double based which makes them a tad hotter (literally) than single based powders but quite good gas generators.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 08:53 PM (9A2aL)

242 I figured that you were shooting some flavor of 284, so you like the 6.5 version. Nice!!
Posted by: ck at November 19, 2023 08:50 PM (ljHmZ)
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It's a great, flat shooting cartridge but you have to like replacing barrels!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:53 PM (JwHpX)

243 Moron Robbie, thanks I will try that. I normally de bone the breasts and then make duck enchiladas in blue corn tortillas with the left over legs and neck meat
Posted by: Ben Had

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That sounds fantastic. If I had the time and money I'd love to travel all around the U.S. hunting and learning to cook game in the different regional styles.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is trying to be a better person and apologizes for teasing and making fun at November 19, 2023 08:54 PM (TKMtt)

244 Shooters World has a 4350 too and I think it's the slowest burning one of the bunch.

Posted by: ck at November 19, 2023 08:54 PM (ljHmZ)

245 Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 08:51 PM (F6Xpw)
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Yep! All different, which is why it is CRITICAL to check and cross-check (and check again) any new load data/powder combinations you may be considering. It's almost as if it's designed to be confusing!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 08:56 PM (JwHpX)

246 231 For them as know, no explanation is needed.
For them as don't know, no explanation is possible.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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The Horde cannot be Explained. It must be Experienced.

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 08:48 PM (aBJcM)

Same is true for Ben Had.

Posted by: Gref at November 19, 2023 08:56 PM (5fDan)

247 but dad taught me well.
Posted by: PabloD at November 19, 2023 08:27 PM (ohsd/)

Looks like it. Hope you thoroughly enjoy that meat with your dad.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 08:56 PM (JgU20)

248 I picked up a used Sig P238Legion in 380. Cutest damn gun I own. The machining is killer.

Posted by: DOYLE at November 19, 2023 08:56 PM (Z8Yh2)

249 Hello all! I’m a little late but I’m here. Only 11 months to the next Texas Mome.

Posted by: Rancherbob at November 19, 2023 08:58 PM (21WHr)

250 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 08:48 PM (cOq4q)

Colt management across generations must have thought that they could coast on government contracts. This happened with the M-16 and its variants (Vietnam era) and again thirty years later with the M4/M4A1 (GWOT era). When the government contracts ended, the party was over for Colt.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 08:58 PM (yRXSd)

251 Good night everyone. Have a lot of sleep to catch up on.
Hope to have something to contribute next week but just happy to be back among like minded hordians.
Thanks Weasel.
Happy Thanksgiving!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 19, 2023 08:58 PM (t/2Uw)

252 I do wish all of you and yours a very Happy Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz

Good to see you DDS, hope you have an excellent Thanksgiving as well.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 19, 2023 08:59 PM (MJv9a)

253 Rancherbob!

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 08:59 PM (JwGX/)

254 The only thing I have to contribute is, I have a S&W Model 10 waiting for me at the local FFL. Tomorrow I'll go do the background check and then Colorado's 3-day waiting period, which gets me to Thanksgiving Day, so- Friday I should have it.

Posted by: DB - at November 19, 2023 08:59 PM (geLO8)

255 Good animation on that AR-15 video; gorgeous work.

Unfortunately, they left out a key functional "thing" with regards to the Stoner gas system; the expansion of gas inside the bolt carrier is integral to the function of the rifle. The way the video narrative makes it sound, it's just the gas going back into the gas key. Reality is that the gas going into the expansion chamber kicks the bolt and carrier out of the locked position.

If you block the gas from doing its thing there in between the carrier and the bolt, the rifle will not function properly. That is a seemingly tiny little detail to quibble over, but that is what separates the Stoner Gas System from a direct impingement weapon like the MAT 49-56 or Ljungman.

Posted by: Kirk at November 19, 2023 09:00 PM (pVima)

256 Happy Thanksgiving, Sharon! I'd join y'all next week if I could!

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 09:00 PM (aBJcM)

257 He speaks about loading a "hot" round. What does that mean? How does the heat vary given the same cartridge capacity? Is it different powder, more tightly packed?
Posted by: naftali (havel) at November 19, 2023 08:35 PM (Hv1dQ)

A "hot" round is jargon for a cartridge which has a powder charge that produces higher than normal pressure when fired. This generally happens with an excessive powder charge.
Higher pressure results in higher velocity. The drawback is the higher pressure can damage the brass, sometimes leaving the brass stuck in the chamber. In extreme cases high pressure will rupture the brass case, damaging the gun and the shooter.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 19, 2023 09:00 PM (YRK4R)

258 Colt's military contracts were centered around the AR 15 in the 60's and Colt itself spent scarce capital to come up with the M4 variant in the 90's so that Colt actually 'owned" the intellectual property.

Not really blaming unions in this case but simply put, Colt was losing market share, not investing in future lines of business, and losing market share at the low and high end. Winchester was going through the same issues in that their old models simply became uneconomical to produce compared with its competitors (Remington for example).

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:01 PM (9A2aL)

259 BEN HAD!

Posted by: Rancherbob at November 19, 2023 09:01 PM (21WHr)

260 and our friend had some tips and encouragement for me.
Posted by: TecumsehTea at November 19, 2023 08:38 PM (JrYM1)

And that encouragement is such a huge thing. And it just oozes from all the folks here.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 09:01 PM (JgU20)

261 REMINDER: Please do not list powder charge weights in your comments. No exceptions.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:01 PM (JwHpX)

262 231 For them as know, no explanation is needed.
For them as don't know, no explanation is possible.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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The Horde cannot be Explained. It must be Experienced.

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 08:48 PM (aBJcM)

Same is true for Ben Had.
Posted by: Gref at November 19, 2023 08:56 PM (5fDan)

The Hostess with the Mostest!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 09:02 PM (v23vE)

263 RancherBob!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:02 PM (JwHpX)

264 The UAW may not have helped matters, but they didn't make the decisions to ignore the US civilian market, end all revolver production in 1999, minimize AR-15 sales for the civilian market, or any of the other numerous boneheaded decisions from management in the second half of the 20th century, or the first 15-20 years of the 21st century.
Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 08:53 PM (yRXSd)

Excellent points. Colt's engineers always did a great job but the marketing side was shit for brains and content to suck on Uncle Sugar for far too long. Time caught up with them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2023 09:02 PM (R/m4+)

265 249 Hello all! I’m a little late but I’m here. Only 11 months to the next Texas Mome.
Posted by: Rancherbob at November 19, 2023 08:58 PM (21WHr)

And the Host with the Most! Happy Thanksgiving to you and Cow Horse Queen!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 09:03 PM (v23vE)

266 And a quick question, for y'all.

What's a good source for OEM Ruger magazines?

Got a 9mm compact that needs a couple. Cat on my lap forbids me invade the safe right now for the model number, but it's a current production item.

I'll match up the your (helpful!) suggestions with the correct model number, when I'm released from feline imprisonment.

Thanks in advance!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 19, 2023 09:03 PM (e6UQI)

267 RancherBob, Weasel, Ben Had, and Nurse Ratchet all in the same evening!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 19, 2023 09:03 PM (MJv9a)

268 Or maybe that was a bullet weight mentioned above which is fine (sorry) but no powder charge weights!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:04 PM (JwHpX)

269 What model is my SW? I'm told it's based on the 1911, it is single stack, double action.
It fires 45acp, magazine holds7.
Circa 1990.
I'll try to look it up.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 19, 2023 09:05 PM (MeG8a)

270 IMR-4350 ... H4350 ... AA4350
Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 08:51 PM (F6Xpw)

I wonder what the difference is?

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 09:05 PM (JgU20)

271 Jim,
Natchez Shooting Supply usually has decent prices as does CDNN Sports in Abilene. There are some others but I prefer the two above.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:05 PM (9A2aL)

272 I wonder what the difference is?
Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 09:05 PM (JgU20)
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The letters.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:06 PM (JwHpX)

273 224 Sorry, I just stumbled into the gun thread with nothing worthy of conversation, however, I do wish all of you and yours a very Happy Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at November 19, 2023 08:47 PM (Sgq8y)

It's halfway a cooking thread now.

Posted by: blaster at November 19, 2023 09:06 PM (dWjpk)

274 Hopefully tomorrow I will shoot some 9mm with a buddy at indoor range. He wants to christen a new tuned up G43X (I have one too if I can find it), and I need to shoot a SA35. It's projected rain so no cement pour. Rained today while Mrs. E, hogmartin, and I went to the very nice gubshow. All our canoes went upside down soon after.

Posted by: Eromero at November 19, 2023 09:08 PM (NxC5+)

275 266 And a quick question, for y'all.

What's a good source for OEM Ruger magazines?

Got a 9mm compact that needs a couple. Cat on my lap forbids me invade the safe right now for the model number, but it's a current production item.

I'll match up the your (helpful!) suggestions with the correct model number, when I'm released from feline imprisonment.

Thanks in advance!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 19, 2023 09:03 PM (e6UQI)

Brownells has some, and Ruger sells direct from their website.

Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 09:08 PM (F6Xpw)

276 I'll try to look it up.
Posted by: gourmand du jour
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Does it have a safety on the slide (not the frame?), barrel length? That would be the Third Generation 4506 and its variants with differences in frame material, DAO, barrel length, or bluing. There was a 645 in the mid eighties as a 2nd Generation with a rare single action variant 745.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:09 PM (9A2aL)

277 blaster, payback for the gun chat in the food thread!

Posted by: Ben Had at November 19, 2023 09:09 PM (JwGX/)

278 Same is true for Ben Had.
Posted by: Gref at November 19, 2023 08:56 PM (5fDan)
The Hostess with the Mostest!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 09:02 PM (v23vE)

Well said, gentlemen!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2023 09:10 PM (hOUT3)

279 It's halfway a cooking thread now.
Posted by: blaster
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Avocado oil or olive oil for firearm lube? Grilling a cheese sandwich on your suppressor?

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:11 PM (9A2aL)

280 Or maybe that was a bullet weight mentioned above which is fine (sorry) but no powder charge weights!
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Not having researched modern firearms until the couple of years ago [because of Gub Thread!] I only learned the e.g. 115gr was the weight of the bullet and not of the powder charge in my first PAL Licence class!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 09:12 PM (krqg6)

281 There be some Big Brains here, for sure. I learn something new every week.
Weasel, I’m doing a trigger job on the Ruger Max 9 this week. I’ll send pix if anyone is interested. Fixes the lockup when pulling to the side.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 09:13 PM (FPsm2)

282 268 Or maybe that was a bullet weight mentioned above which is fine (sorry) but no powder charge weights!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:04 PM (JwHpX)

Understood. With all the load data readily available online from powder and bullet makers, there's no need to get data from random Morons. Even knowledgeable and conscience Morons like the ones here. Plus the potential liability if someone blows themself up and claims they did it with data found here.

Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 09:13 PM (F6Xpw)

283 266 And a quick question, for y'all.

What's a good source for OEM Ruger magazines?

Got a 9mm compact that needs a couple. Cat on my lap forbids me invade the safe right now for the model number, but it's a current production item.

I'll match up the your (helpful!) suggestions with the correct model number, when I'm released from feline imprisonment.

Thanks in advance!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Jim, hit me up via email. I think I have two I'm never going to use.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 09:13 PM (v23vE)

284 For SpaceX Starship fans, the next booster in line (Booster 11) is already heading from the Massey site to the megabay assembly building to get its engines installed (literally rolling right now). The launch pad (stage zero) checks out with little damage. I'm not making a prediction, but it won't be long before we see another launch...

Posted by: TRex at November 19, 2023 09:14 PM (IQ6Gq)

285 Followup to previous comment to Jim SND - they're yours if you want them

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 09:14 PM (v23vE)

286 Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 09:12 PM (krqg6)
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I saw a number + gr and started deleting without thinking any more about it!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:15 PM (JwHpX)

287 Jim ND,

Checked CDNN Sports and they have most of the recent Ruger handgun mags in stock going back to the P series and a bit less than mfg recommended price. Natchez has quite a few and is having a mag sale (albeit only a couple of bucks off) most Ruger magazines for handguns.

I also think MecGar made a few Ruger magazines at one time.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:16 PM (9A2aL)

288 I'd get more M18 mags but damn the price is still sky high.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 19, 2023 09:16 PM (8sMut)

289 Jim, consider Mec-Gar for the model, too. Iirc they make a shocking number of the OEM magazines for manufacturers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is trying to do better and apologizes for teasing and making fun at November 19, 2023 09:16 PM (k1AR8)

290 Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:01 PM (9A2aL)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 19, 2023 09:02 PM (R/m4+)
In retrospect, I think the decision to end Colt revolver production in 1999 was a huge loss. The Colt Magnum Carry, introduced at the start of year, was the long-awaited upgrade of the Detective Special to accept .357 Magnum. I think it would have been a strong contender in the concealed carry market had it survived. But because short sighted management ended Colt's revolver production, Colt completely missed the concealed carry market that broke wide open by the mid-2000s. Today's King Cobra has many of the features that the Magnum Carry introduced 20 years earlier.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 09:17 PM (yRXSd)

291 Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 09:13 PM (F6Xpw)
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This is almost a religious thing for me! Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:17 PM (JwHpX)

292 272 I wonder what the difference is?
Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 09:05 PM (JgU20)
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The letters.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:06 PM (JwHpX)

I'm looking at Hodgdon data and it says ". . . Hodgdon has modernized H4350 by shortening the grains for improved metering and making it insensitive to hot/cold temperatures."

I don't know why they didn't also give it a more distinctive name.

Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 09:17 PM (F6Xpw)

293 I’m doing a trigger job on the Ruger Max 9 this week. I’ll send pix if anyone is interested. Fixes the lockup when pulling to the side.
Posted by: RI Red
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Didn't you mention that you had bought some springs from M'Carbo last week or am I dreaming that. They seem to be going into more handgun springs and things lately.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:18 PM (9A2aL)

294 WEASEL!

Posted by: Rancherbob at November 19, 2023 09:19 PM (21WHr)

295 I don't know why they didn't also give it a more distinctive name.
Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 09:17 PM (F6Xpw)
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I know!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:19 PM (JwHpX)

296 OK all y'all! 9:21 thank you time.
Thank you! Thank you all for being here tonite!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (JwHpX)

297 The Horde cannot be Explained. It must be Experienced.
Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 08:48 PM

Truth.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (aQy7p)

298 I did, Whig. I only got the trigger from M CARBO this week and am waiting for the spring kit. Plus, I ordered some tools.
This week I received the Swamp Fox optic for the gun..so far, so good.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (FPsm2)

299 DUCK!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (krqg6)

300 300!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (v23vE)

301 Today's King Cobra has many of the features that the Magnum Carry introduced 20 years earlier.
Posted by: Ed L
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I think Rhomboid has a 90's era Magnum Carry but I could be mistaken. Colt was also taking on new competitors in the 1911 market.

By the 90's, I think though that Colt was hiring ex military officers and at least one of their CEO's of that era was an former General if I recall properly to keep the pentagon pipeline running.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (9A2aL)

302 156 Can you imagine Gunny Hartman viewing our modern warriors in theater?

"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO DO TO MY BELOVED CORPS???"

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (8sMut)

303 Thank you for another great gun thread, Weasel!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 09:22 PM (aQy7p)

304 Spartan-inspired followup:

This. Is. The. Gub. Thread.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 09:22 PM (v23vE)

305 >OK all y'all! 9:21 thank you time.
Thank you! Thank you all for being here tonite!!

Posted by: Weasel

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Give FunSizeJoe a tummy rub for us

Posted by: DB - at November 19, 2023 09:22 PM (geLO8)

306 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 09:22 PM (aQy7p)
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Thank you, it's my pleasure. Say hi to mom!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:23 PM (JwHpX)

307 I am no precision shooter, just reloading to keeps my hands busy...

Powder and loads is alchemy.
The most interesting thing I have taken note of is that TOO LIGHT a load (depending on many factors, but mostly powder selection and charge weight) can lead to detonation - RUD.

Haven't watched the "special" video yet, but will assume that the original 38 special was an special chambering, like some kids are special...
Anyway... if anyone has pursued the StarLine catalog, they have many 'special' brass for the newer high power magnum big bores, specifically so one can make light loads with minimal bad side effects.

One thing as I do my reloading I look for powders that give good case fill to
- avoid double charges
- minimize detonation.

Or am I crazy thinking detonation is a thing?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 09:24 PM (cOq4q)

308 Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (9A2aL)

LTG Keys (USMC, Rtd.) was the CEO who basically bet Colt's future on the M4.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 09:24 PM (yRXSd)

309 298 I did, Whig. I only got the trigger from M CARBO this week and am waiting for the spring kit. Plus, I ordered some tools.
This week I received the Swamp Fox optic for the gun..so far, so good.
Posted by: RI Red
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I used some of their spring kits way back when they focused on 22 LR rifles. Good folks to deal with and I still get their emails now and again.

Recently put through several orders to Wolff Gun Springs and as usual, top notch service and fast direct shipping versus buying each spring separately at places like Midway.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:24 PM (9A2aL)

310 295 I don't know why they didn't also give it a more distinctive name.
Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 09:17 PM (F6Xpw)
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I know!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:19 PM (JwHpX)

Because it's similar to the older IMR-4350, and can be used in the same cartridges (although with different charge weights), and to trade off of the name of the older, already known to reloaders IMR-4350?

Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 09:24 PM (F6Xpw)

311 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 09:24 PM (yRXSd)

312 Sorry, I just stumbled into the gun thread with nothing worthy of conversation, however, I do wish all of you and yours a very Happy Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at November 19, 2023 08:47 PM

A happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, DDS!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 09:25 PM (aQy7p)

313 WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO DO TO MY BELOVED CORPS???"
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 19, 2023 09:21 PM (8sMut)

The funny (not ha-ha) thing is the 180 on clot shots: “yeah, BTW, we’re going to have a war or two and our recruiting sux, so all of you we fired for not complying, come on back.”
FYNQ, would be my response.

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 09:25 PM (FPsm2)

314 Posted by: DB - at November 19, 2023 09:22 PM (geLO

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Done!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:25 PM (JwHpX)

315 LTG Keys (USMC, Rtd.) was the CEO who basically bet Colt's future on the M4.
Posted by: Ed L
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I remember a PR shot of that guy on the manufacturing floor with all the CNC machine cabinets in some gun mag way back--maybe the American Rifleman.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:25 PM (9A2aL)

316 OK, I hope this doesn't violate any reloader rules, but...
I know there are differences in operation between smokeless powder and black powder. A "what if" question:
Could you use - with appropriate research and testing - any sort of cartridge powder in a muzzleloader? Would it require a certain type of priming mechanism? (Would it have to be percussion cap, instead of flint or match?)

I'm envisioning a TEOTWAWKI story, and how much suspension of disbelief is required for a survivor picking up various powders and loading a muzzleloader with them.

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 09:25 PM (JgU20)

317 Thank you, it's my pleasure. Say hi to mom!
Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:23 PM/i]

Will do. And a happy Thanksgiving to you and Weasel Woman.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 19, 2023 09:26 PM (aQy7p)

318 Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 09:24 PM (yRXSd)
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You bet! Thanks for being here, Ed L.

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:27 PM (JwHpX)

319 >>> Brownells has some, and Ruger sells direct from their website.
Posted by: Billy D

Nice thing with the manufactures web pages is that they may have PDF versions of the owners manuals you can download and / or directly list the part number and / or UPC which is a great internet search term for finding best prices.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 09:27 PM (cOq4q)

320 And, thanks, again, Weasel, for the Gun Thread. As others have stated, it is an oasis of sanity in a very crazy world.

And I'm always learning. Thanks, everyone, for that!

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 09:29 PM (JgU20)

321 Spite buying ammo taught me that most of it works well. I haven’t had a reversed primer since the 80’s (only once at a match) AND no squibs or hang fires. Meaning I bought quite a bit.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at November 19, 2023 09:29 PM (L9POl)

322 And, Happy Thanksgiving to the Horde!

Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 09:29 PM (JgU20)

323 Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:25 PM (9A2aL)

IIRC, he's also the guy who pushed really hard for Colt to get the M45A1 contract from MARSOC. The three stars on the left side of slide are (supposedly) a reference to him. That contract didn't turn out all that well for Colt, but it's been a boon to collectors who've been able to snag an example of one of the last 1911 model pistols delivered to the US military.

Posted by: Ed L at November 19, 2023 09:30 PM (yRXSd)

324 Posted by: GWB at November 19, 2023 09:29 PM (JgU20)
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Thank you, GWB!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:30 PM (JwHpX)

325 307 I am no precision shooter, just reloading to keeps my hands busy...

Powder and loads is alchemy.
The most interesting thing I have taken note of is that TOO LIGHT a load (depending on many factors, but mostly powder selection and charge weight) can lead to detonation - RUD.

Or am I crazy thinking detonation is a thing?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 09:24 PM (cOq4q)

That's something I wonder about, too. My inclination is to think that reports of blown up guns from light loads is the result of accidental double charges, but I've read some accounts from experienced reloaders who have experienced blowups and swear that they did not or could not have double charged a cartridge.

H110/Rem296 has a reputation for light loads detonating; when I've used it, I've made sure to keep above the minimum. These days I just use different powders, that don't have such warnings.

Posted by: Billy D at November 19, 2023 09:31 PM (F6Xpw)

326 I love my S&W 686 6" revolver.

It's my compensation for my 10" penis.

Bang! Bang!

Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 09:32 PM (PbTeh)

327 Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Weasel and Horde.

Y'all are at the top of my gratitude list.

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 09:33 PM (aBJcM)

328 Good week coming up. Jr gets home tomorrow night, only three days of “work”, and good family time.
And good times for the Moron Horde!

Posted by: RI Red at November 19, 2023 09:33 PM (FPsm2)

329 Thanks once again for the thread, Weasel! See you next week, same time, same station.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 19, 2023 09:33 PM (PWe8a)

330 Let's not forget the Colt 2000, an atrocious semi auto pistol that showed Colt was unable to manufacture a new pistol from scratch.
Long story short: the bean counters monkeyed with an innovative design before it got into production and the resulting gun was rejected by the marketplace.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 19, 2023 09:34 PM (YRK4R)

331 Or am I crazy thinking detonation is a thing?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Used to be on a forum that has some subgroups on odd things like that. Basically it is a thing but rare.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:35 PM (9A2aL)

332 @ Schnorflepuppy...

Thank you, sir! Mail has been stamped and dropped in the letterbox.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 19, 2023 09:36 PM (e6UQI)

333 Posted by: screaming in digital at November 19, 2023 09:33 PM (aBJcM)
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Happy Thanksgiving, SiD!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:37 PM (JwHpX)

334 300!
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This is SPARTA!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 09:38 PM (krqg6)

335 >>> Mec-Gar for the model, too. Iirc they make a shocking number of the OEM magazines for manufacturers.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Act-Mag is another OEM.
I have a double stack 10mm (Armscor) that uses them as their OEM.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 09:38 PM (cOq4q)

336 Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 19, 2023 09:33 PM (PWe8a)
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Excellent. Thank You!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:39 PM (JwHpX)

337 If I recall one of the problems with detonation with light loads is that the powder is position sensitive and leaving large amount of space in the cartridge leads to uneven burning pressures from slower than usual powders used in that firearm.

Common back in the day for people firing light pistol loads of position sensitive powders to hold their firearm up to settle most of the powder at the primer before firing.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:39 PM (9A2aL)

338 Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Weasel and Horde.

+1000

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 19, 2023 09:39 PM (V8he0)

339 Thanks y'all and thanks to Weasel for hosting another gub thread. I learned stuff and continue to see how much more there is to know. Hope all the horde has a great turkey day. Cheers.

Posted by: TRex at November 19, 2023 09:41 PM (IQ6Gq)

340 Posted by: TRex at November 19, 2023 09:41 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thank you TRex!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:43 PM (JwHpX)

341 One of the detonation effects in rifles can come from a rusted or pitted bore and certain powders as the bullet comes to a near stop and the pressure buildup subsequently is too much.

While not a detonation, a few people firing old rifles that had improperly hardened receivers have claimed a receiver that cracked or shattered with a fast pistol powder light load but have fired slower powder full loads just fine.

That I think had something to do with the fast powder causing a different pressure impulse to the receiver than the traditional slower powders did.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:44 PM (9A2aL)

342 Yes, 4506

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 19, 2023 09:45 PM (MeG8a)

343 Wish Weasel a Happy Thanksgiving and appreciation for the gun thread. Have to finish preparing for contractors remodeling master bedroom and bathroom this week.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:45 PM (9A2aL)

344 Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:45 PM (9A2aL)
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Thanks whig. Happy Thanksgiving!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 09:46 PM (JwHpX)

345 Or am I crazy thinking detonation is a thing?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Used to be on a forum that has some subgroups on odd things like that. Basically it is a thing but rare.

Most "detonations" are caused by double charges of powder, but there is a condition where a lighter than normal charge of slow burning powder will partially ignite, pushing the bullet into the barrel, and then the rest of the charge burns. The bullet becomes its own bore obstruction.
Search for "SEE detonation" if you want to get in the weeds. It is a controversial subject, with some denying that it even exists.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 19, 2023 09:47 PM (YRK4R)

346 342 Yes, 4506
Posted by: gourmand du jour
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Fine firearm. The 4586 variant is double action only with no safety and there is a short barrel alloy frame versions of the 4506.

Smith and Wesson Third Generation pistols were deprecated in the age of Glock but they still some of the finest and most reliable pistols that Smith (or really anyone made including Glock).

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:48 PM (9A2aL)

347 I'm out for tonight. Thanks Weasel and all Gub Thread denizens for the fine thread, and hope all have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 19, 2023 09:49 PM (v23vE)

348 'Amazing love, how can it be?'
A lot to give thanks for. I don't live in China, Cuba, Gaza, or NYC.

Posted by: Eromero at November 19, 2023 09:50 PM (NxC5+)

349 IIRC, he's also the guy who pushed really hard for Colt to get the M45A1 contract from MARSOC. The three stars on the left side of slide are (supposedly) a reference to him. That contract didn't turn out all that well for Colt, but it's been a boon to collectors who've been able to snag an example of one of the last 1911 model pistols delivered to the US military.
Posted by: Ed L
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Interesting factoid. Thanks.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:50 PM (9A2aL)

350 >>> I'm envisioning a TEOTWAWKI story, and how much suspension of disbelief is required for a survivor picking up various powders and loading a muzzleloader with them.
Posted by: GWB

I see the beginnings of an awesome U-Tube video.

Probably easier to make your own black powder. I think the hardest componant, aside from time, would be the sulfer. But maybe because I know of nowhere offhand where it is just sitting around waitining to be picked up.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 09:50 PM (cOq4q)

351 Ask not what your gubgub can gub for you, ask what you can gub for your gubgub.

Posted by: Gublett's Familiar Gubations at November 19, 2023 09:51 PM (E63nu)

352 A lot to give thanks for. I don't live in China, Cuba, Gaza, or NYC.

Posted by: Eromero at November 19, 2023 09:50 PM (NxC5+)

Heh...it used to be a great but weird place.

Now? No thanks.

But there are a lot of bars with great bourbon lists, so I guess NYC has one redeeming feature!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2023 09:54 PM (3Gtis)

353 910 Thank you to the commenters who responded to my "cocked and locked" query. I learned that it only applies to the original 1911 design, not more recent variants like my SW model which is double action. I'll keep it anyway.
The learning never stops!
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 19, 2023 07:04 PM (MeG8a)

Can you tell which thread this discussion was in? Been absent owing to spouse health issues and am interested, from a military history angle. Thanks!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at November 19, 2023 09:56 PM (8C7+r)

354 Years ago there was a wave of incidents with mild .38 Special wadcutters suddenly blowing up revolvers. Coincidentally, progressive reloading machines were just reaching the consumer market at that time.
Progressive loaders perform the multiple stages of reloading a cartridge on multiple cases at the same time, and it is very easy to double charge a case when using one.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 19, 2023 09:57 PM (YRK4R)

355 But maybe because I know of nowhere offhand where it is just sitting around waiting to be picked up.
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Outhouses and dung piles!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 19, 2023 09:57 PM (krqg6)

356 Posted by: whig at November 19, 2023 09:48 PM (9A2aL)

I have a 6906 (sadly of dubious provenance), and it is a wonderful pistol. Solid, positive controls, it fits my hand well, and it is reasonably accurate.

It reminds me of my HK USP!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2023 09:57 PM (3Gtis)

357 >>> Can you tell which thread this discussion was in? Been absent owing to spouse health issues and am interested, from a military history angle. Thanks!
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet

Last week's gun thread. Maybe.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2023 09:58 PM (cOq4q)

358 NOOD ONT

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 19, 2023 09:58 PM (qPw5n)

359 OK everybody. That's a wrap. Hope to see all y'all next Sunday!
Good nite!

Posted by: Weasel at November 19, 2023 10:01 PM (RG6z4)

360 So I was looking at some Kennedy shit today, and was asking myself, "Myself, how could Elon blow up a rocket, and Kennedy got shot like Tupac and nobody knows?"

They answer is short cocks. And tiny balls. Grow some big balls.

Posted by: Taylor Swift's Bodysuit at November 19, 2023 10:02 PM (PbTeh)

361 Whitetail season coming up. Was planning using the AR in 350 Legend I built for when I took 8 year old GStE on his first hunt (5 yrs ago), but haven't had time to confirm zero. Will prolly do as last year and borrow one of Son's Marlins in 375 Win. He knows how to zero, so no confirming shots needed. Harvested two last year. 150 yds and 300 yds. Good zero. 1 rd each. Son did me proud on his BRM.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at November 19, 2023 10:05 PM (8C7+r)

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