MORNING RANT: The Hottest year Ever? NOAA is Including Fabricated Data from Hundreds of Decommissioned Stations in Its Temperature Database

As is customary every autumn, there is a torrent of news stories coming out about the current year being the Hottest Year Ever! Since these stories start coming out well before the end of the year, that pretty much gives the game away about how fraudulent the data inputs are. Here is a typical apocalyptic headline.

“2023 Shaping Up to Be Warmest Year in NOAA's Global Climate Record” [NOAA – 10/13/2023]

With only 9 months of reporting data, NOAA was already able to announce “Hottest Year Ever.” But to be fair, they knew well in advance that their data would show 2023 to be the hottest year ever, not only because NOAA “adjusts” much of the data they gather, but even more shockingly, because they fabricate much of the rest of the data inputs from decommissioned stations!

Meteorologist John Shewchuk has been researching NOAA’s hundreds of “ghost stations.” These are climate stations that were once in operation, but aren’t any longer. They might have been removed, or maybe they just quit operating and were never repaired, but NOAA continues to ~~fabricate~~ estimate temperature data for these formerly operational stations.

In the picture below, John Shewchuk is standing where US Historical Climatology Network (“USHCN” station 080611 once stood in Belle Glade, FL. It was removed in 2005, but that hasn’t stopped NOAA from continuing to ascribe temperature data from the Belle Glade station into their climate record. NOAA simply “estimates” the Belle Glade temperature, and then inputs that into their formula that reports “Hottest Year Ever!” They call this “science.” It’s not. It’s fraud.

Here is some background on the USHCN stations:

• At one point in the 1950s there were 1,218 of these stations.
• By 2020 the number of functioning stations had declined to 830.
• NOAA has chosen to keep the number of database inputs at 1,218.

As a result, NOAA simply estimates the temperature data for the other 388 decommissioned stations. In other words, the temperature records for approximately 1/3 of the USHCN stations are ~~fabricated~~ estimated.

It gets even worse. As I’ll show in just a moment, aside from the fabricated reports from the USHCN ghost stations, NOAA adjusts the actual readings from stations that are still functioning, to support the climate hoax.

The table immediately below from the Belle Glade station is much simpler to read than it looks, and it reveals both types of fraud that NOAA is committing: 1) the adjustment of temperature data; and 2) the fabrication of temperature data.

In blue is the actual Raw data produced by the Belle Glade station until it went dark in 2005. Each row represents a year, for instance the first year is 2000. The 12 numbers that follow are the 12 average monthly temperatures for that station, shown as Celsius x 100. Therefore, the average temperature in January 2000 was 25.12° Celsius. In February 2000 the average temperature was 25.50° Celsius. (-9999 means that no reading was recorded.)

Below that table in red is the official NOAA temperature data, where two things stand out.

1) NOAA has adjusted the actual Raw data. That 25.12°C temperature for January 2000 was warmed up to 25.21°C. February 2000 was similarly adjusted from 25.50°C to 25.60°C.

2) Despite Belle Glade going offline in 2005, NOAA continues to report temperature data for that imaginary station. The “E” by the temperature indicates that this is an estimated temperature, however, that estimate is still included in the official temperature record.

Again, this isn’t science. It’s fraud.

While there is little more to add to how completely fraudulent NOAA’s temperature reporting is, it is still worth taking a quick look at the “global” historical temperature database to understand how NOAA’s fraud is so historically relevant.

Mr. Shewchuk has provided a map showing the concentration of temperature stations that have been in operation for at least 100 years as of 2020. You’ll notice that the historical “global” database is overwhelmingly isolated to the USA, along with some western European stations and some in Australia.

To summarize the obvious, the historical “global” temperature record is primarily the USA’s temperature record.

Global Temperature Stations - 100 years.JPG

But the USA’s historical temperature record has been adjusted by NOAA!

We are fortunate that ethical scientists have saved the historical NOAA climate records, because NOAA’s current administrators have altered the official historical temperature records to cool the past and warm the present, so as to create a trend of catastrophic climate warming that can only be saved by eco-communism.

Below (in blue) is actual raw climate data as gathered by NOAA, along with NOAA’s fraudulently adjusted data (in red) that supports the climate hoax.

With NOAA’s history of anti-scientific fraud, it should be assumed at this point that any data NOAA publishes is a fabrication.

My previous documentation of NOAA’s fraud was the progenitor of a commenter’s quote that gave birth to Throckmorton’s Razor and Minuteman’s Corollary:

Throckmorton’s Razor: “Assume that any authority which has previously provided false data is always acting dishonestly.”

Minuteman’s Corollary: “Discount everything a liar says in his argument, even if it may support your position.”

NOAA has so thoroughly compromised its integrity with its pattern of politically motivated fraud, that not only do I not believe its reporting of temperatures or tropical storm wind speeds any longer, but I don’t even trust it to accurately report the dew point. Every piece of weather data produced by NOAA should be assumed to be fraudulent.

Mr. Shewchuk has a helpful video, that is worth a viewing.

Cap Allon at Electroverse also has a good write-up here about the ghost station fraud.

I’ll finish up by highlighting a few more ghost stations that are dutifully reporting the climate apocalypse, even though they are technically not reporting any data at all.

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Ghost Station - Ada.JPG

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Your government is lying to you about an impending climate apocalypse so it can impose global eco-communism on you.

But aside from that, have a nice weekend.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

Comments

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1 1st?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:01 AM (JrojV)

2 Yessss!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:01 AM (JrojV)

3 I culled the otters, Buck.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:02 AM (JrojV)

4 Al Gore needs a new fleet of yachts.

Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2023 11:02 AM (sm6Pk)

5 I knew a John Shewchuck in college.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2023 11:03 AM (roH4R)

6 Most racist too!!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at November 17, 2023 11:03 AM (LCagX)

7 Climate Denial....soon to be a J6 level misdemeanor.

Posted by: BignJames at November 17, 2023 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

8 Ghost station in Greenwood, DE could very well be where the Big Guy lives.

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 17, 2023 11:04 AM (GshMh)

9 How much shew could a Shewchuck chuck if a Shewchuck could chuck shew?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:04 AM (JrojV)

10 (jedi hand wave)

Ignore the earliest freeze in memory.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:05 AM (BMWRT)

11 Though it was unusually hot I don’t think we broke any temperature records this summer. The streak of temps in the 100’s may have been a record though.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:05 AM (MNhXM)

12 Climate change is real . Man Made climate change is a hoax.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:06 AM (MNhXM)

13 I've been reliably informed that i am now in growing zone 7, and not 6b anymore.

I've decided not to tell my plans. I don't want them getting overconfident.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2023 11:06 AM (9UlRk)

14 Dr. Eli David @DrEliDavid 1h
The tide is turning.
Europeans now realize that @GretaThunberg is just another Marxist.
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Includes an ancient Latin pun!

Who says the Germans can't be fun??

https://tinyurl.com/2p8re58
screencap

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 17, 2023 11:06 AM (krqg6)

15 >>The Hottest year Ever?

Well, how hot should the earth be?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 17, 2023 11:06 AM (XV/Pl)

16 Shouldn't that be Throckmorton's Raisin? (Stalwell or whatever his name is) says Occam's Raisin, and he's a Congressman, he should know.

Posted by: Wenda at November 17, 2023 11:07 AM (1MfV9)

17 But other than that, we should trust our betters, da?

After all, is for common good!

Heck of an expose, Buck!
Thanks

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 17, 2023 11:07 AM (hOUT3)

18 *plants

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2023 11:07 AM (9UlRk)

19 Thank you, Buck. Very girthy!!

Linus’ Razor: Every claim made by a federal agency is a lie.

Support for Linus’ Razor: See everything the CDC said about covid… along with your NOAA ghost stations…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 17, 2023 11:07 AM (vezcz)

20 Fox News Report:

U.S. energy experts are warning of the economic and national security implications of President Biden's pact with China this week to move towards shutting down fossil fuel production in favor of green energy.

The State Department announced this week it had struck a deal with its Chinese counterparts pledging to "accelerate the substitution for coal, oil and gas generation" with green energy sources like wind and solar power.

Experts also noted that China has rarely followed through on international accords and stands to financially benefit from such an agreement since it controls much of the world's green energy supply chain.

Guess who makes the majority of wind, solar, and renewables equipment??? China for the win.

Posted by: Cheri at November 17, 2023 11:07 AM (oiNtH)

21 5

Apparently, there is more than one.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2023 11:07 AM (roH4R)

22 Barely ever even hit 90s her in se Pa

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2023 11:08 AM (aLaxL)

23 Anthony Watts at Wattsupwiththat.com deserves a lot of credit for doing a station survey years ago. Something like 70% of the metrological stations don't even meet NOAA own requirements.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 17, 2023 11:08 AM (IG4Id)

24 A great post, sir.

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:09 AM (rj6Yv)

25 You must have 'data' to backup the 'climate crisis' that's unfolding. Without 'data' the climate emergency that's going to be declared doesn't really have any teeth.

What was learned with the covid op will be applied to the climate emergency op.

The climate emergency will make covid look like a walk in the park as there's no end date for said 'emergency.'

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 17, 2023 11:09 AM (Q4IgG)

26 Barely ever even hit 90s her in se Pa

But what about the HEAT INDEX?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:09 AM (JrojV)

27 Forget it, Buck ... it's Climatetown.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:09 AM (D4kcr)

28 As was recently pointed out here, notice that all science changes constantly, to the point where girls have dicks now and boys can get pregnant.

Except Climate Science. It is settled and never-changing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:10 AM (BMWRT)

29 You must have 'data' to backup the 'climate crisis' that's unfolding. Without 'data' the climate emergency that's going to be declared doesn't really have any teeth.

What was learned with the covid op will be applied to the climate emergency op.

The climate emergency will make covid look like a walk in the park as there's no end date for said 'emergency.'

Posted by: Martini Farmer

-

(War on Terror has entered the chat)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:11 AM (BMWRT)

30 How much shew could a Shewchuck chuck if a Shewchuck could chuck shew?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:04 AM

Who chucks a shew? Honestly?

Posted by: Austin "Danger" Powers at November 17, 2023 11:11 AM (aQy7p)

31 Meanwhile nerds like myself have operating weather stations in our yards that are reporting in to sites like Weather Underground. So, while not as accurate as operational government weather stations are alleged to be, anyone who wants to can collect raw historical data for just about anywhere one of the government stations is supposed to be and do their own comparison. The data will only go back a few years, but that should be enough to highlight any discrepancies between on the ground conditions and fabricated data.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at November 17, 2023 11:12 AM (Bd6X8)

32 So what is NOAA's comment on this?

Posted by: Bayesian Prior at November 17, 2023 11:12 AM (q1I67)

33 Though it was unusually hot I don’t think we broke any temperature records this summer. The streak of temps in the 100’s may have been a record though.
Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:05 AM (MNhXM)

I would say that here in Alberta, 2023 was an exceptionally cold year. Last Winter was unrelievedly cold, and Summer, while mostly nice, was not exceptionally hot. And it has now become quite cold the Fall, with one real Arctic blast already in late October.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:12 AM (3Z9X/)

34 Plymouth Rock is still where the original settlers came ashore. It's still dry.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:12 AM (Y2tls)

35 Other day I heard planting/hardiness zones being updated and many regions are moving up a notch in high/low temperature rating and what can be planted to survive winters and summers. Of course this is utter BS and being driven by the climate hoax. Last winter had the coldest end of December day here in Georgia in ANY winter month in at least 20 years, yet plants with less cold hardiness are going to be recommended.

A lot of gardeners are going to be very disappointed if they believe this BS.

Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2023 11:12 AM (PTDkx)

36 Look what Trump did to temperatures in 1935. Wow.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2023 11:12 AM (idPbW)

37 One of the more notorious climate "scientists " a couple years ago was pushing the idea that we should not use actual measured temperatures anymore, but rather only computer "estimated" temperatures. Because actual measured temperatures had too much variability and did not line up with the models estimated temperatures much of the time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:13 AM (PiZUX)

38 Because fabricated data, millions of birds torn to pieces by wind turbines died in vanes.

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:13 AM (rj6Yv)

39 My favorite is still the 70’s Newsweak catastrophic warning of our future ice age.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:13 AM (MNhXM)

40 U.S. energy experts are warning of the economic and national security implications of President Biden's pact with China this week to move towards shutting down fossil fuel production in favor of green energy.

The State Department announced this week it had struck a deal with its Chinese counterparts pledging to "accelerate the substitution for coal, oil and gas generation" with green energy sources like wind and solar power.

Experts also noted that China has rarely followed through on international accords and stands to financially benefit from such an agreement since it controls much of the world's green energy supply chain.

Guess who makes the majority of wind, solar, and renewables equipment??? China for the win.
Posted by: Cheri at November 17, 2023 11:07 AM

And Xiden for the win. 10% baby!

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 17, 2023 11:13 AM (bqazj)

41 But we can totally trust all Fed agencies with the data they provide - no matter what the subject.

They lie even when they don't have too.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2023 11:13 AM (bBdPQ)

42 And Buck, I'm sure you've seen it and maybe even posted about it, but the EPA recently confirmed that the U.S. has been steadily cooling since 1948

See figures 3 and 4

https://tinyurl.com/ycc9653o

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:13 AM (BMWRT)

43 "Climate change is real . Man Made climate change is a hoax.
Posted by: Drive by"
****************
The real hoax is the belief that paying more taxes will solve climate change.

Posted by: Cosda at November 17, 2023 11:14 AM (HH7xx)

44 CO2 is the lagging corollary. It is the effect, not the cause, and so both "man-made" and "naturally occurring" are hoaxes from that perspective.

The oceans are 1000x greater than the atmosphere by mass. When the temperature rises, CO2 becomes less soluble.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 17, 2023 11:14 AM (44ww/)

45 Also where did the graph of raw vs adjusted come from?

Asking b/c statistics is what I do for a living, and I want to see their published methodology.

Posted by: Bayesian Prior at November 17, 2023 11:14 AM (q1I67)

46 So what is NOAA's comment on this?
Posted by: Bayesian Prior

Hold on. We gotta gas up the MRAP.

Posted by: NOAA SWAT Team at November 17, 2023 11:14 AM (R4t5M)

47 Ghost stations just got moved to a parking lot nearby

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 17, 2023 11:14 AM (/6GbT)

48 Even if they weren't lying or fabricating evidence, or helpfully "adjusting" the numbers, it's worth keeping in mind that for the vast majority of the history of these sites, the readings were done by some guy looking at a thermometer outside his window.

Maybe he was sick one day, or looked at the thermometer at an angle and misread, or didn't check it religiously at the same time every day, or the thermometer wasn't perfectly calibrated. etc etc

And yet we're acting like slight variations (less than a degree Celsius) is somehow scientifically significant and we can build models accurately showing hundreds of years of temperature projections in to the future.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 17, 2023 11:14 AM (mj0Qp)

49 Shewchuck, don't bother me,
Shewchuck, don't bother me,
Shewchuck, don't bother me,
For I belong to somebody.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:15 AM (JrojV)

50 This is the thing: to my eye, this has been one of the coolest and dampest years in recent memory. It was fairly comfortable for all of August. In Kentucky. That is anomalous. Fruit flies and other insects were about the worst I have ever seen (I am assuming because it was so damp.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:15 AM (zZu0s)

51 If they invented a truly "carbon" neutral way to generate power that actually worked, these same degenerates would invent a new "pollutant" to continue the scam.

They will say waste heat itself is Killing The Planet.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2023 11:15 AM (9UlRk)

52 Good rant, Buck. Thanks.

You gotta believe. How else can a fed agency such as, but not limited to, USDOL-OSHA, create & issue BS citations for heat stress? After all, it can't be easy chasing couriers to take accurate wet bulb readings, right?

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 17, 2023 11:16 AM (GshMh)

53 Again, the whole underlying theory is bullshit so getting worked up about the veracity of station data is besides the point.

They know the station data and synthesized data they are running their models with are bullshit, they don't care.

So again, the correct questions to ask when they say this is the hottest year ever, is ok, well, how hot should it be, when was the earth the correct temperature and what do we need to get back to this perfect temperature, how long is it going to take and what are the collateral consequences for getting back to this correct temperature?

I've actually done this, with idiots at Penn State, where Michael Mann of Hockey Stick Fame resides and the result has always been the same, melting down, not answering these basic questions and walking away in a spittle flecked rage calling me a climate denier.

I'm sick of this bullshit and our side really needs to push back on this bullshit in a profound and serious way before these maniacs destroy the f**king world.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 17, 2023 11:16 AM (XV/Pl)

54 Because fabricated data, millions of birds torn to pieces by wind turbines died in vanes.
Posted by: mrp

Ooh, the wheels in the shy keep on turning

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:16 AM (Y2tls)

55 Asking b/c statistics is what I do for a living, and I want to see their published methodology.
Posted by: Bayesian Prior

They use the Fuck You methodology.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 17, 2023 11:16 AM (R4t5M)

56 Believe the "Science"!

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:16 AM (rj6Yv)

57 Everyone knows that 89.24% of statistics are made up.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:16 AM (JrojV)

58 Anthony Watts also showed that after the Soviet Union fell, most of the weather stations in Soberia were abandoned due to lack of funding
And yet the Climate Disciples were still showing that "Siberia is warming! Based on two (2!) remaining stations that were over 1,000 miles apart, and whose numbers and maintenance records were questionable, to say the least.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:18 AM (PiZUX)

59 Climate change is real . Man Made climate change is a hoax.
Posted by: Drive by"
****************
The real hoax is the belief that paying more taxes will solve climate change.
Posted by: Cosda at November 17, 2023 11:14 AM (HH7xx)

And destroying the world economy and civilization as we know it by fighting the windmills ( pun intended)

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:18 AM (MNhXM)

60 The real hoax is the belief that paying more taxes will solve climate change.
Posted by: Cosda at November 17, 2023 11:14 AM (HH7xx)

The Carbon Tax pays for my winter vacations to Cuba, so it solves my personal climate issues.

Posted by: Justin Trudeau at November 17, 2023 11:19 AM (3Z9X/)

61 They use the Fuck You methodology.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 17, 2023 11:16 AM (R4t5M)

This is true.

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:19 AM (rj6Yv)

62 Had us a really cool and rainy summer. Usually I stop mowing the lawn by early July because it goes dormant. this year I was mowing weekly, and even into mid September. The detention ponds in my area almost always had water in them.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at November 17, 2023 11:19 AM (xPJvm)

63 Rush was guaranteed to be right 99.8% of the time…. Or some other number close to 100

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 17, 2023 11:19 AM (vezcz)

64 Shouldn't we all be dead by now, according to Al Gore?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 17, 2023 11:19 AM (lf83v)

65 58 most of the weather stations in Soberia were abandoned

Well, they started drinking again.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:19 AM (JrojV)

66
Old & Busted: The ends justify the means.
New Hotness (SWIDT?): The frauds typify the greens.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:20 AM (D4kcr)

67 SHUT UP!!!! I'm schmart!!

-- NOAA

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2023 11:20 AM (bBdPQ)

68 This must explain why I can no longer get reliable weather forecasts more of than 24 hours out.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 17, 2023 11:20 AM (pIx7m)

69 23 Anthony Watts at Wattsupwiththat.com deserves a lot of credit for doing a station survey years ago. Something like 70% of the metrological stations don't even meet NOAA own requirements.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 17, 2023 11:08 AM (IG4Id)

I remember that. People tracked down the actual stations, and some were in the middle of parking lots, or next to AC compressors, etc.

Seems like that would throw off their numbers, especially if we're comparing it to historic trends, when there wasn't historically hot air from an AC compressor blowing on the thermometer.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 17, 2023 11:20 AM (mj0Qp)

70 Defund the ghost stations!

Posted by: Rex B at November 17, 2023 11:20 AM (PujQp)

71 More fudge than Hershey, PA.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2023 11:20 AM (I/Qkd)

72 Hi, I'm from The Government. I'm here to fix your climate problems. Just like the border, the budget, inflation and financing international terrorism.

Please sit down, shut-up and eat your bugs.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at November 17, 2023 11:20 AM (tA1/w)

73 Falsus in uno falsus in omnibus.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 17, 2023 11:21 AM (qPw5n)

74 Also where did the graph of raw vs adjusted come from?

Asking b/c statistics is what I do for a living, and I want to see their published methodology.

Posted by: Bayesian Prior

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Wasn't that the entirety of Climategate?

And yeah, an FU and they continued.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:21 AM (BMWRT)

75 Siberia> Soberia> Soyberia

Posted by: Rex B at November 17, 2023 11:21 AM (PujQp)

76 Asking b/c statistics is what I do for a living, and I want to see their published methodology.
Posted by: Bayesian Prior

They use the Fuck You methodology.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 17, 2023 11:16 AM (R4t5M)

"Shut up," they explained.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 17, 2023 11:21 AM (mj0Qp)

77 I remember that. People tracked down the actual stations, and some were in the middle of parking lots, or next to AC compressors, etc.
__________

One was next to Emily Ratajkowski. Muy caliente.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 17, 2023 11:22 AM (lf83v)

78 If I were on the defense committee of a grad student and he brought "data" like this to me, I'd tell him to consider a Master's, or perhaps McDonalds.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2023 11:22 AM (I/Qkd)

79 I've actually done this, with idiots at Penn State, where Michael Mann of Hockey Stick Fame resides and the result has always been the same, melting down, not answering these basic questions and walking away in a spittle flecked rage calling me a climate denier.

Mann's lawsuit against Mark Steyn is in something like its 10th year.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:22 AM (JrojV)

80 If they treated the climate crisis like they treated international terrorism, NOAA would be shoveling palettes of cash to the biggest oil producers on earth.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2023 11:22 AM (9UlRk)

81 Anthony Watts also showed that after the Soviet Union fell, most of the weather stations in Soberia were abandoned due to lack of funding
And yet the Climate Disciples were still showing that "Siberia is warming! Based on two (2!) remaining stations that were over 1,000 miles apart, and whose numbers and maintenance records were questionable, to say the least.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:18 AM (PiZUX)

Well, you gotta admit it would be hard to find vodka-loving Russians to volunteer to work in "Soberia".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:23 AM (3Z9X/)

82 Siberia> Soberia> Soyberia
Posted by: Rex B at November 17, 2023 11:21 AM (PujQp)

Siberia> Soberia> Soyberia > and, eventually, Beria.

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:23 AM (rj6Yv)

83 Bayesian: if you followed the Climategate Scandal of a few years ago, you would see that in private emails between themselves, they admitted that they had destroyed all the records of their past methodology, so no one could ever question it.

If you go back to newspaper records from the 1930's and look up published temperatures; and then compare those to what the models say they were, you will find that it was actually a full 2 degrees warmer, in most cases.

The entire amount of reported warming can be explained completely by the fudging they have done with their computer models.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:23 AM (PiZUX)

84 As a test to see if we have been and actually are warming I am going to plant papaya here in Georgia, where thy could grow if it was just a little warmer like it was where I lived in S. America and they were plentiful.

No papaya = no global warming.

Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2023 11:23 AM (PTDkx)

85 Warmer is healthier and more prosperous.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 17, 2023 11:23 AM (aD39U)

86 A temperature sensor 2' above a tennis court was another classic.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 17, 2023 11:23 AM (R4t5M)

87 This must explain why I can no longer get reliable weather forecasts more of than 24 hours out.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO

24 hours out? Damn first worlders.

We're lucky to get reliable forecasts 12 hours out.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:23 AM (Y2tls)

88 Global warming is real. I've noticed my pizza is substantially hotter than in the past. If this trend continues, i'll end up with melted stumps for teeth and a mouth full of stringy, seared flesh. That's what happened to the Venutians. It's astronomy.

Posted by: guy who should maybe let his pizza cool a bit out of the oven at November 17, 2023 11:24 AM (pjs7m)

89 One was next to Emily Ratajkowski. Muy caliente.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 17, 2023 11:22 AM (lf83v)

Very nice. ...Peculiar look.

I don't offer that as negative, she just has a different look to her face.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:24 AM (zZu0s)

90 One was next to Emily Ratajkowski. Muy caliente.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

Also a spokesperson for Planned Parenthood. You think she's hot now? Just wait. . .

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2023 11:24 AM (bBdPQ)

91 Siberia> Soberia> Soyberia
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Witam, bitches.

Posted by: Polish King Jan Sobieski at November 17, 2023 11:24 AM (lf83v)

92 THis is just like everything else coming from the Gov't these days: fabricated garbage and Gov't collusion.
COOF VAX? lies and collusion.
Most Transparent Admin? lies and collusion.
Jan 6th? lies, gov't operatives, and collusion.
MAGA racist terrorists? yup, more of the same
and the list goes on.

They have narratives they want/need to push, have the MSM and social media companies to push it and ban/bury anything that contradicts that narrative.

We are just in the way of their Utopia. Gotta break some eggs!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (ynpvh)

93 ha, I'd forgotten about this but related. It was on Yahoo but they took it down for some weird reason:

"We're Going To Have To Cut Down A Lot Of Big Trees To Upgrade The Electric Grid For EVs"

https://tinyurl.com/yrzpbpnw

And not just any trees. Tall 40' trees that only come from mature forests.

SAVE THE EARTH!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (BMWRT)

94 Why do weather apps give 10 day forecasts?

Stick to 10 hours. Get that right 90% of the time and we'll see about expanding it to 12 hours.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (Y2tls)

95 This site will be shut down for "true but misleading" as opposed to "false but approved."

But really, Hedy Lamarr (born in 1914), made Ecstasy in 1933, and debuted in America in 1938. I'd have to say one of those would be the "hottest year on record."

Posted by: Eeyore at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (brAQZ)

96 35 out this morning. Mid 60s by lunch. If this keeps up, we'll all be boiled alive in mere days.

Posted by: Warai-otoko is a climatomancer at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (9UlRk)

97 @69

>>Seems like that would throw off their numbers, especially if we're comparing it to historic trends, when there wasn't historically hot air from an AC compressor blowing on the thermometer.

Again, we have these thing called satellites that have the ability to take accurate measurements of atmospheric temperature from all around the globe, these satellites have been doing this for decades, and this data is largely excluded in favor of inaccurate and easily fudged earth station data because the satellite data does not conform to their bullsh*t theory.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (XV/Pl)

98 Hope it's a warm winter.. Our already high electricity/gas was allowed to raise the rates 20%..Why ? To pay for the lawsuits they had to pay off because they burned everything up with faulty equipment... Seems fair...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (bs+z0)

99 I'm one of those nerds with my own weather station.

I'm also a former NOAA employee, not at the National Weather Service but their National Marine Fisheries Service. At the lab I worked at back in the mid-2000's we used a lot of NOAA data and funneled marine (ocean temperature, salinity, etc.) into some of their forecast models. Specifically the semi-annual La Nino/La Nina climate predictions.

Interesting stuff, but not like a 'forecast' you could depend on. Nothing about the weather/climate is fully understood. And nobody talks about the single largest contributing factor to climate; the sun. Which is understood less than the other stuff climate alarmists claim to 'know.'

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (Q4IgG)

100 Years and years ago I read a long expose on Wattsupwiththat? They showed how the Global Warming alarmist were manipulating data. Heat sensors on runways, on blacktops or by heat exhaust vents.

Global warming is man-made alright... at least its data is.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (V3od6)

101 This is why it drives me wild when some supposedly conservative politician or writer says "well I don't want to debate the science..."
The entire scam exists BECAUSE they have been deliberately perverted the "science" for over 30 years now. To refuse to speak to that is to give away the game before it even starts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (PiZUX)

102 Thanks very much for this, Buck!

Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (5fDan)

103 I've been reliably informed that i am now in growing zone 7, and not 6b anymore.

Excellent! I can finally grow any camellia I want.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (I/Qkd)

104 Also a spokesperson for Planned Parenthood. You think she's hot now? Just wait. . .
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2023 11:24 AM (bBdPQ)

Dammit. This is why I try not to learn too much...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (zZu0s)

105 These same climate alarmists dismiss every historic example of significant climate change and the ‘climate change’ seen on other planets in order to continue with the man-made canard.

It’s a mental disorder. Another one that all Leftists share. The inability to determine cause and effect. For the smarter ones it’s just a refusal which covers their other disorder. The ends always justify the means.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (MNhXM)

106 93 ha, I'd forgotten about this but related. It was on Yahoo but they took it down for some weird reason:

"We're Going To Have To Cut Down A Lot Of Big Trees To Upgrade The Electric Grid For EVs"

https://tinyurl.com/yrzpbpnw

And not just any trees. Tall 40' trees that only come from mature forests.

SAVE THE EARTH!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (BMWRT)

And use that wood? OF COURSE NOT. They want to BURY it. What a f'n waste.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

107 All warmer temperatures we felt this year was caused by that volcanic eruption in the Pacific Ocean last year that ejected a massive quantity of seawater into the atmosphere. The amount of water vapor will be elevated worldwide for something like a decade or more.

Notice that the climate loons aren’t mentioning it at all.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (uKeRS)

108
Throckmorton’s Razor: “Assume that any authority which has previously provided false data is always acting dishonestly.”

Minuteman’s Corollary: “Discount everything a liar says in his argument, even if it may support your position.”

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Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (G/hXt)

109 Well, you gotta admit it would be hard to find vodka-loving Russians to volunteer to work in "Soberia".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Russians abhor soberia.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (Y2tls)

110 It would be pretty funny if the GOP caucus would get off its collective ass and have members check the location of every one of those stations in each of their districts and then hold a hearing on the results.

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:26 AM (rj6Yv)

111 Nuke the unborn baby whales for Jesus.

Posted by: One of my favorite bumper stickers at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (NBVIP)

112 REEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
We're all gonna die!!! Burned alive!!!!

Frost this morning. Has anyone seen my sweater?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (uSHSS)

113 If present trends continue, my yard will be under a mile of ice by next August.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (aD39U)

114 Plymouth Rock is still where the original settlers came ashore.

You might want to look into that one just a bit. Plymouth Rock was broken, moved, put in a pavilion, and otherwise Disneyfied several times. There is no evidence of a sea level change, but it's a poor reference point. Probably also about to be smithereened.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (4PZHB)

115 Also a spokesperson for Planned Parenthood. You think she's hot now? Just wait. . .
__________

But she just had a baby. How can PP tolerate such a person?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (lf83v)

116 Years and years ago I read a long expose on Wattsupwiththat? They showed how the Global Warming alarmist were manipulating data. Heat sensors on runways, on blacktops or by heat exhaust vents.

Global warming is man-made alright... at least its data is.

Posted by: Darth Randall

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Completely rejecting satellite data that shows no change or cooling because those ballots aren't easy to - sorry, that data isn't easy to manipulate.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (BMWRT)

117 113 If present trends continue, my yard will be under a mile of ice by next August.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (aD39U)

I keep waiting for my property to be ocean front

Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (bs+z0)

118 That's Headly!

Posted by: Headly Lamarr at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (zZu0s)

119 Frauds, it's who they are.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (JMAcK)

120 I've been reliably informed that i am now in growing zone 7, and not 6b anymore.

Go ahead. Try it. Just don't plan your food stores around it.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (Y2tls)

121
The State Department announced this week it had struck a deal with its Chinese counterparts pledging to "accelerate the substitution for coal, oil and gas generation" with green energy sources like wind and solar power.

I was listening to a report on Bloomberg radio news last week which stated that California has so much energy from windmills/solar that they don't know what to do with it all.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (63Dwl)

122 I wonder if the IRS will believe me if I tell them a number of my income stations have quit reporting?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (uSHSS)

123 Given the data manipulation that goes on you just have to figure that COVID case numbers were massaged like Rocky Balboa pummeling sides of beef in a walk-in cooler.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2023 11:29 AM (991eG)

124 REEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
We're all gonna die!!! Burned alive!!!!

I know the frog is supposed to be boiled slowly, but come on! We've been hearing about this for the better part of a half century.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2023 11:29 AM (I/Qkd)

125 Seriously that any of the climate nonsense gains purchase with the public it’s due to the decline of religion in America…. I was immersed in the Bible as a yute so just off the top of my head I can quote: “The earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof”

God Almighty is in charge of the earth and as a consequence I don’t worry about climate catastrophe. To me it’s an absurd notion. But nowadays you have a bunch of folks who either worship the earth like pagans or worship “science” (which they don’t even understand what it is and have never heard of Francis Bacon)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 17, 2023 11:29 AM (vezcz)

126 Seems like Panama Canal would be a good place to check rising sea levels.

"Why is the Panama Canal drying up and what does it mean for global shipping?"

https://tinyurl.com/27efdk7e

Wait, what?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (BMWRT)

127 Related, in Michigan, our illegitimate legislature has outlawed fossil fuels. (For electricity generation)

We have until 2040, so there's PLENTY of time for the unicorn and rainbows energy to replace it.

I'm sure they'll be banning natural gas in homes, soon. Because electrical heat in Michigan works SO well.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (JMAcK)

128 It was such a hot year hear in San Diego that my pecan tree was a MONTH late in the nuts ripening. Normally it's early October; this year it was this month.
Oh wait, that means it was COOLER...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (ynpvh)

129 I know the frog is supposed to be boiled slowly, but come on! We've been hearing about this for the better part of a half century.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2023 11:29 AM (I/Qkd)

Well, it was cooling in the 70s.

Pretty much started as soon as the Soviets lost the space race...

Posted by: Headly Lamarr at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (zZu0s)

130 Go ahead. Try it. Just don't plan your food stores around it.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (Y2tls)

The future is turnips.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (3Z9X/)

131 Mrs928 has made shrimp and bacon cheese grits for brunch.

I may be gone some time.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (aD39U)

132 Cap Allon at Electroverse also has a good write-up here about the ghost station fraud.

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I read that as "ghost election fraud," which will be an apt phrase if the Corpse of Biden "crushes the Trump/Putin ticket in a landslide" next year.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (G/hXt)

133 They lie...they lie and we have to be generous with them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (xcxpd)

134 And yet in spite of all of this control and manipulation, the wind and solar and EV car industries are plunging into bankruptcy. They gotbit all set up on paper, and then they just assumed that everything would work out fine. Nobody thought it necessary to see if it would actually work.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (PiZUX)

135 126 Seems like Panama Canal would be a good place to check rising sea levels.

"Why is the Panama Canal drying up and what does it mean for global shipping?"

https://tinyurl.com/27efdk7e

Wait, what?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (BMWRT)

I thought Globul Enwarmening was supposed to make sea levels rise...or is the land rising?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (ynpvh)

136 It's nice to be rich.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ZzSRUyhL8&t=330s

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (FVME7)

137 It was such a hot year hear in San Diego that my pecan tree was a MONTH late in the nuts ripening. Normally it's early October; this year it was this month.
Oh wait, that means it was COOLER...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

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Yeah, for anyone who grows anything or gardens it was bizarre watching all the "hottest year ever!!!" reports.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (BMWRT)

138 130 Go ahead. Try it. Just don't plan your food stores around it.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (Y2tls)

The future is turnips.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (3Z9X/)

Try some cotton.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (zZu0s)

139 Go ahead. Try it. Just don't plan your food stores around it.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (Y2tls)

The future is turnips.

I'm going all in on lichens. If it's good enough for caribou and musk ox, it's good enough for me.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (I/Qkd)

140 If present trends continue, my yard will be under a mile of ice by next August.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (aD39U)

Same here, but on the upside, I won't have to pay those Mexicans to cut the grass anymore.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:32 AM (uSHSS)

141 116 Years and years ago I read a long expose on Wattsupwiththat? They showed how the Global Warming alarmist were manipulating data. Heat sensors on runways, on blacktops or by heat exhaust vents.

Global warming is man-made alright... at least its data is.

Posted by: Darth Randall

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Completely rejecting satellite data that shows no change or cooling because those ballots aren't easy to - sorry, that data isn't easy to manipulate.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:27 AM (BMWRT)

Oh, sure it is. Just say the satellite sensors drift temp downward with time, so the REAL numbers are those adjusted up yearly.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:32 AM (ynpvh)

142 NOAA uses one weather station [near the relatively-southern 60th Parallel] and extrapolates its temperatures for all of the Canadian Arctic instead of using data from Canada's 100 Arctic weather stations. [And in the '50s Canada used to have a 1,000 of them.]

The no-longer active weather-station monitoring website, showing all/many of the illegally-sited U.S. weather stations e.g. on tarred rooftops near AC exhaust fans etc.

http://surfacestations.org/

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 17, 2023 11:32 AM (krqg6)

143 Mrs928 has made shrimp and bacon cheese grits for brunch.

I may be gone some time.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

You are lucky.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 17, 2023 11:33 AM (R4t5M)

144 Seriously that any of the climate nonsense gains purchase with the public it’s due to the decline of religion in America…. I was immersed in the Bible as a yute so just off the top of my head I can quote: “The earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof”

God Almighty is in charge of the earth and as a consequence I don’t worry about climate catastrophe. To me it’s an absurd notion. But nowadays you have a bunch of folks who either worship the earth like pagans or worship “science” (which they don’t even understand what it is and have never heard of Francis Bacon)
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 17, 2023 11:29 AM (vezcz

All of the wood burning fires caused the giant flood of Noah’s time.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:33 AM (MNhXM)

145 We've got one of those weather stations at the campus where I work. I should see if it's still generating data...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:33 AM (7fElN)

146 I was listening to a report on Bloomberg radio news last week which stated that California has so much energy from windmills/solar that they don't know what to do with it all.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (63Dwl)

That can literally be true. Because wind and solar generated electricity is not dispatchable. If the demand is low at a given moment, the power they generate cannot be used, and they have to be turned off.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:33 AM (3Z9X/)

147 139 Go ahead. Try it. Just don't plan your food stores around it.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (Y2tls)

The future is turnips.

I'm going all in on lichens. If it's good enough for caribou and musk ox, it's good enough for me.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (I/Qkd)

Hey! On the plus side, London can start having Frost Fairs again.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:33 AM (zZu0s)

148 127 Related, in Michigan, our illegitimate legislature has outlawed fossil fuels. (For electricity generation)

We have until 2040, so there's PLENTY of time for the unicorn and rainbows energy to replace it.

I'm sure they'll be banning natural gas in homes, soon. Because electrical heat in Michigan works SO well.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (JMAcK)

The heat generated from burning bodies can be used for electricity generating, comrade. And, as it reduced the population, Gaia will be overjoyed!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (ynpvh)

149 And yet in spite of all of this control and manipulation, the wind and solar and EV car industries are plunging into bankruptcy. They gotbit all set up on paper, and then they just assumed that everything would work out fine. Nobody thought it necessary to see if it would actually work.

Posted by: Tom Servo

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Government bailouts is where it's all headed. It's a win-win for the corporations and the government. The only people that get screwed are the people.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (BMWRT)

150 41
'They lie even when they don't have too.'
They could even be telling the truth sometimes but since they lie too how can you know?

It's like mixing dog crap into vanilla ice cream. Even if it's 0.01%, it's enough to taint it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (roH4R)

151 Greetings! Some good questions to ask these "climate scientists" are, for instance
What is the ideal average temperature for the planet?
Who gets to decide it?
How will it be achieved?
Who gets to decide how it will be achieved?

Posted by: Fred at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (MeG8a)

152 My favorite is still the 70’s Newsweak catastrophic warning of our future ice age.
Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:13 AM (MNhXM)

Time Magazine.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1663607/posts

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (h4nev)

153 Same here, but on the upside, I won't have to pay those Mexicans to cut the grass anymore.
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Do Mexicans know how to shovel snow?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (iDpzk)

154 Meanwhile, in Indianapolis . . .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Do4-ee1ibqQ

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (FVME7)

155 99 I'm one of those nerds with my own weather station.

I'm also a former NOAA employee, not at the National Weather Service but their National Marine Fisheries Service. At the lab I worked at back in the mid-2000's we used a lot of NOAA data and funneled marine (ocean temperature, salinity, etc.) into some of their forecast models. Specifically the semi-annual La Nino/La Nina climate predictions.

Interesting stuff, but not like a 'forecast' you could depend on. Nothing about the weather/climate is fully understood. And nobody talks about the single largest contributing factor to climate; the sun. Which is understood less than the other stuff climate alarmists claim to 'know.'
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 17, 2023 11:25 AM (Q4IgG)

A recent example of NOAA unable to even get close to accurately predicting weather conditions 48 hours ahead, at my location on the Texas Gulf Coast.

Three times in the past month the predicted rainfall on a day 48 hours ahead was over an inch. Actual rainfall those days was about 1/4 inch.

They can't predict local weather very accurately 365 days a year, but they have the global average surface temperature nailed for the next 50 years?

Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2023 11:35 AM (5fDan)

156 Related, in Michigan, our illegitimate legislature has outlawed fossil fuels. (For electricity generation)

We have until 2040, so there's PLENTY of time for the unicorn and rainbows energy to replace it.

I'm sure they'll be banning natural gas in homes, soon. Because electrical heat in Michigan works SO well.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 17, 2023 11:30 AM (JMAcK)

Is the Pallisades NPS still decommissioned? Even Whitmer wants it re-opened.

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:35 AM (rj6Yv)

157 So if anyone of importance (i.e. writes the checks) decides global cooling is an issue, what are the odds those ghost stations will start reporting cooler temps?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:35 AM (uSHSS)

158 True anecdote regarding bogus data collection: During COVID my son-in-law had to be temperature screened each day upon clocking in for work at the hospital. One late fall day he rode his motorcycle to work and when the nurse scanned his forehead his temperature read 76° F. She shrugged and dutifully wrote that number down on the log sheet.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2023 11:35 AM (991eG)

159 Hunga Tonga. Had it occurred above water, shit would be getting pretty cold. I wonder if all that water vapor had anything to do with all the rain CA got last rainy season. What goes up must come down.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 17, 2023 11:35 AM (KAi1n)

160 Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (h4nev)

Time /Newsweek

220 /221

😀thanks for the correction

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:36 AM (MNhXM)

161 The Economist used to be a serious news source.

Now?

"Donald Trump Poses The Biggest Danger To The World"

How exactly, Economist? Lack of war? Slimmer government?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2023 11:36 AM (qfJCX)

162 147 139 Go ahead. Try it. Just don't plan your food stores around it.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2023 11:28 AM (Y2tls)

The future is turnips.

I'm going all in on lichens. If it's good enough for caribou and musk ox, it's good enough for me.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 17, 2023 11:31 AM (I/Qkd)

Hey! On the plus side, London can start having Frost Fairs again.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:33 AM (zZu0s)

But their hockey teams keep drowning in the Thames during Spring Training...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:36 AM (ynpvh)

163 I wonder what the mechanism is for filling in phony data for now-absent sensors. I doubt there is a human typing in bogus figures. Probably an automated system that multiplies the prior average by some amount (say, 1.1) and then reduces it randomly by some figure that will, on average, show warming.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:36 AM (d04cU)

164 WattsUpWithThat: yes, did a great photo takedown of all the ridiculous, high temperature locations. So much manipulation, so much corruption from head to toe.

Posted by: JM in /Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 17, 2023 11:36 AM (zaFN2)

165 Gonna' be a busy night!

Just got a call. I'm desperately need in Vegas to fix some loose manhole covers. I've got my welding gear all loaded up and I'm headed that way,, gott'a save the day!

Later peeps...

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at November 17, 2023 11:37 AM (X4yCj)

166 149 And yet in spite of all of this control and manipulation, the wind and solar and EV car industries are plunging into bankruptcy. They gotbit all set up on paper, and then they just assumed that everything would work out fine. Nobody thought it necessary to see if it would actually work.

Posted by: Tom Servo

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Government bailouts is where it's all headed. It's a win-win for the corporations and the government. The only people that get screwed are the people.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (BMWRT)

That only works temporarily. Everybody loses in the end when inflation goes rampant. Can't violate the rules of the Gods of the Copybook Headings forever...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

167 Completely rejecting satellite data that shows no change or cooling because those ballots aren't easy to - sorry, that data isn't easy to manipulate.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

As I understand it, there's warming and then there's WARMING~!~!!! Some scales do show warming, but it's inconveniently clustered around ENSO events, aka El Nino.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 17, 2023 11:37 AM (IG4Id)

168 Your government is lying to you about an impending climate apocalypse so it can impose global eco-communism on you.

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As is frequently noted here but can't be said in enough different ways:

"In Soviet Amerika, carbon to be eliminated is YOU!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:38 AM (G/hXt)

169 150 41
'They lie even when they don't have too.'
They could even be telling the truth sometimes but since they lie too how can you know?

It's like mixing dog crap into vanilla ice cream. Even if it's 0.01%, it's enough to taint it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (roH4R)

Heh, taint. ISWYDT

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:38 AM (ynpvh)

170 1) NOAA has adjusted the actual Raw data. That 25.12°C temperature for January 2000 was warmed up to 25.21°C. February 2000 was similarly adjusted from 25.50°C to 25.60°C.

2) Despite Belle Glade going offline in 2005, NOAA continues to report temperature data for that imaginary station. The “E” by the temperature indicates that this is an estimated temperature, however, that estimate is still included in the official temperature record.
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Yet another case of where I should have kept reading.

So they use made-up numbers, disclose that the numbers are made up, but then integrate those made-up numbers into the final official summary average without disclosing the presence of phony data within that summary average. Nice.

Do that in banking and you'll go to prison. Do that in "climate science," and you'll get a raise if not a Nobel Prize.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:38 AM (d04cU)

171 157 So if anyone of importance (i.e. writes the checks) decides global cooling is an issue, what are the odds those ghost stations will start reporting cooler temps?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:35 AM (uSHSS)

Their output means, just like Humpty Dumpty said, whatever they want it to mean.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

172 161 The Economist used to be a serious news source.
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All magazines and newspapers are toys for the wealthy. Probably a good tax shelter like vineyards. Have you priced a magazine lately? $13 seems to be the going price these days. I sorely miss the old fishing and hunting magazines.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2023 11:39 AM (iDpzk)

173 Outside of local forecasting and reporting - which is useful on a day-to-day basis - why are ground stations used at all? Satellites are much more accurate and can consistently sample wide areas on regular schedules, and we have plenty of weather satellites and have for some time now. There is no reason to be using ground stations in macro-level temperature statistics at all.

The answer, of course, is that weather satellites don't show a persistent or consistent warming trend.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:39 AM (d04cU)

174 A fascinating long term physical reference point to sea level is Pevensey Castle, on the southern coast of Britain. It was originally a Roman fort built in late antiquity to guard an important port from marauders, overlooking the entrance to the harbor. It now sits high and dry, the bay it guarded is all farmland, and the sea is now 2 - 3 miles away.
Sea levels were actually higher during the Roman Warm Period than they are now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (PiZUX)

175 Speaking of hot, Pandora has brought up a song by the band Dope Lemon, and displayed their Mannix-worth album cover (probably NSFW). I figured I'd share it here.
https://tinyurl.com/hfrc5rj5

The model is an Australian named Franziska Gurtler, but have your safe search on, because she apparently likes to model nude a lot lol.

Posted by: Musical Moron at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (JCZqz)

176 167 Completely rejecting satellite data that shows no change or cooling because those ballots aren't easy to - sorry, that data isn't easy to manipulate.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

As I understand it, there's warming and then there's WARMING~!~!!! Some scales do show warming, but it's inconveniently clustered around ENSO events, aka El Nino.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 17, 2023 11:37 AM (IG4Id)

And funny enough, there is a negative feedback system where when the temp goes up, more moisture is evaporated and more clouds form which reflect sunlight back into space...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (ynpvh)

177 Speaking of $60,000+ cars, I've developed a hypothesis based on something a moron posted last week.

Manufacturers are making a product that consumers can't afford. This is not hyperbole. 50% of Americans can't afford a new car. That is completely illogical and against any sensible business practice. But instead of seeing prices go down to where the consumer can afford the product, the prices continue to rise.

Car manufacturers dislike cash buyers because they make their real money not in selling the cars but in financing them. So car manufacturers WANT normal cars and trucks to cost $60K-$100K, because it allows for lending, high interest rates, and 96+ month loans.

Change my mind.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (BMWRT)

178 53
'our side really needs to push back on this bullshit in a profound and serious way'

I come to the same conclusion as you. The left are barely relying on the data. They just make a claim and scream it in your face. It's incumbent on us (including me) to fight them and demand they leave us alone.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2023 11:41 AM (roH4R)

179 All magazines and newspapers are toys for the wealthy. Probably a good tax shelter like vineyards. Have you priced a magazine lately? $13 seems to be the going price these days. I sorely miss the old fishing and hunting magazines.
Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2023 11:39 AM (iDpzk)

When I was a kid, I had a subscription to Field and Stream. Every issue was a treasure.

Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:41 AM (rj6Yv)

180 So they use made-up numbers, disclose that the numbers are made up, but then integrate those made-up numbers into the final official summary average without disclosing the presence of phony data within that summary average. Nice.

Do that in banking and you'll go to prison. Do that in "climate science," and you'll get a raise if not a Nobel Prize.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:38 AM (d04cU)
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Science has been corrupt for a long, long time...

String theory is now starting to be dismissed (in some areas) but for a long time it was the only way to get hired as a physicist.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:41 AM (7fElN)

181 Is the Pallisades NPS still decommissioned? Even Whitmer wants it re-opened.
Posted by: mrp at November 17, 2023 11:35 AM (rj6Yv)

Currently shuttered, but I guess there is a plan to restart it

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 17, 2023 11:41 AM (/6GbT)

182 And yet in spite of all of this control and manipulation, the wind and solar and EV car industries are plunging into bankruptcy. They gotbit all set up on paper, and then they just assumed that everything would work out fine. Nobody thought it necessary to see if it would actually work.

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Riddle: "What's it called today when you reverse cause and effect?"

Answer: "THE SCIENCE!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:41 AM (G/hXt)

183 Many years ago, the "Journal of Irreproducible Results", a humor/satire magazine aimed at scientists and engineers (and in his heyday, often quite funny) ran an article entitled "The Data Enrichment Method", by Henry R. Lewis, which proposed exactly what the NOAA is doing: taking one or two measurements, then filling in the gaps with estimates - in effect, with shit you make up. The method, the author claimed, has many benefits: "breadth of applicability and in the promise it holds of obtaining more reliable results without resource to the expense and trouble of increasing the size of the sample of data". Clearly, the NOAA has Dr. Lewis's satiric article to heart, and run with it.

Posted by: Nemo at November 17, 2023 11:42 AM (S6ArX)

184 Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (h4nev)

Time /Newsweek

220 /221

😀thanks for the correction
Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:36 AM (MNhXM)

You're welcome. I've been shoving that article down the throats of Climate Change fanatics for years. Keep it it bookmarked in my Glo-Bull Warming folder.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at November 17, 2023 11:42 AM (h4nev)

185 It's been shown that a tight data set (e.g. blood pressure) obtained in a small study with motivated and skilled nurses who are engaged in the study, using standardized equipment and uniformity of measurement technique (i.e.meticulous) do not translate well to the general population when performed with non-standardized equipment and indifferent nurse's aides daydreaming about their lunch break. We call those "random number generators".

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2023 11:42 AM (991eG)

186 There must be provable, criminal fraud somewhere here: misuse if government funds, lying/misleading Congress, etc.

Posted by: JM in /Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 17, 2023 11:42 AM (zaFN2)

187 My favorite is still the 70’s Newsweak catastrophic warning of our future ice age.
Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:13 AM (MNhXM)

Heh!
I recall the Global 2000 Report put out in 1980. I'd started a graduate degree not long after. It was axiomatic that if in your papers you didn't use the Report as a reference for something, you got docked points. I and several of my other older classmates just laughed at about it. My faculty advisor had to put up a good front, but on the side, she laughed just as much as we did.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:42 AM (uSHSS)

188 Speaking of FRAUD

Illegal immigrants say they were lied to and want to go back home. To Venezuela.

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=149810

Schadenboner da schwing!

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (byTc9)

189 I maintained an Automatic Digital Weather Station. It was in the middle of a grassy airfield all by itself. When I retired, NOAA was installing a new one. At the end of a runway and next to a major highway. It was a notably warmer area subject to jet exhaust and highway heat.

Posted by: Abe at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (ppU/K)

190 https://tinyurl.com/hfrc5rj5

The model is an Australian named Franziska Gurtler, but have your safe search on, because she apparently likes to model nude a lot lol.
Posted by: Musical Moron at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (JCZqz)

Hmmmm. Not many results with safesearch on...

*looks at safesearch button...*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (zZu0s)

191 Car manufacturers dislike cash buyers because they make their real money not in selling the cars but in financing them. So car manufacturers WANT normal cars and trucks to cost $60K-$100K, because it allows for lending, high interest rates, and 96+ month loans.

Change my mind.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (BMWRT)
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The mobile real estate model...Of course, they don't want us to drive, so we'll pay $60K for a vehicle that we are not allowed to drive past a certain range...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (7fElN)

192 Of course the media is on top of this. I saw a headline in the Seattle Times that 2023 is the hottest on record. Somehow they have records of way, way back to the beginning of time. Did Adam and Eve start the records we now see?

Posted by: Colin at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (bOfbg)

193 Why would they need to create the fraudulent data if the climate crisis is real?
*ponders*
Ohhhhhhhhh!

But if you're on the left-

In this house we believe Science is REAL you reich-wingers!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 17, 2023 11:44 AM (fs1hN)

194 185 It's been shown that a tight data set (e.g. blood pressure) obtained in a small study with motivated and skilled nurses who are engaged in the study, using standardized equipment and uniformity of measurement technique (i.e.meticulous) do not translate well to the general population when performed with non-standardized equipment and indifferent nurse's aides daydreaming about their lunch break. We call those "random number generators".

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2023 11:42 AM (991eG)

I love when they're not paying attention and pump your arm up to 300 mmHg...Um, that doesn't feel good, nursie...
"Sir, your blood pressure is high! Try to relax this time!"--nurse

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:44 AM (ynpvh)

195 Mrs928 has made shrimp and bacon cheese grits for brunch.

I may be gone some time.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Damn. What can I do to get invited to your house for brunch?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:44 AM (JrojV)

196 The model is an Australian named Franziska Gurtler, but have your safe search on, because she apparently likes to model nude a lot lol.
Posted by: Musical Moron at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (JCZqz)

Hmmmm. Not many results with safesearch on...

*looks at safesearch button...*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (zZu0s)
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What's a safesearch button?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:44 AM (7fElN)

197 And all of those record-setting Euro temperatures this summer past happened after they arbitrarily decide to start taking temperature readings at ground-level instead of the former worldwide standard of ca. 2 metres/6 feet above ground level.

There are photos of private and public temperature displays [like an electronic one outside of a pharmacy for example] showing a huge difference between the weather service claimed temperature and the 'old' ones -- even 10°C!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 17, 2023 11:44 AM (krqg6)

198 A fascinating long term physical reference point to sea level is Pevensey Castle, on the southern coast of Britain. It was originally a Roman fort built in late antiquity to guard an important port from marauders, overlooking the entrance to the harbor. It now sits high and dry, the bay it guarded is all farmland, and the sea is now 2 - 3 miles away.
Sea levels were actually higher during the Roman Warm Period than they are now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (PiZUX)
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These are a persistent problem. Stuff that's been around for a long time near or in the sea - pillars, walls, piers, etc. - have high-water marks that are visible. If they're visible, it means high water was in the past.

It all must be loudly ignored.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:44 AM (d04cU)

199 Hmmmm. Not many results with safesearch on...

*looks at safesearch button...*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (zZu0s)

do it.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 17, 2023 11:45 AM (R4t5M)

200 The state is a genital wart on the vagina of liberty.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2023 11:45 AM (ogTiX)

201 Government bailouts is where it's all headed. It's a win-win for the corporations and the government. The only people that get screwed are the people.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:34 AM (BMWRT)

That only works temporarily. Everybody loses in the end when inflation goes rampant. Can't violate the rules of the Gods of the Copybook Headings forever...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

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They don't care. They honestly, truly couldn't care less. Same as now with "it's a great economy, but people just can't see how great it is!!!"

The only people that get screwed are the people.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:45 AM (BMWRT)

202 “Discount everything a liar says in his argument, even if it may support your position.”

This is why Bill Maher should be ignored until he truly undergoes a conversion. Breitbart reports what he says every week, and conservatives get wee-wee'd up when he calls out the left. Just remember who he is, though, especially on global warming where he has been parroting establishment lies for years.

Posted by: Lex at November 17, 2023 11:45 AM (fMN7A)

203 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (d04cU)

204 196 The model is an Australian named Franziska Gurtler, but have your safe search on, because she apparently likes to model nude a lot lol.
Posted by: Musical Moron at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (JCZqz)

Hmmmm. Not many results with safesearch on...

*looks at safesearch button...*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (zZu0s)
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What's a safesearch button?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:44 AM (7fElN)

Being facetious, or not?
DuckDuckGo, on image searches has three settings: Strict, Moderate, and OFF. Off is sometimes...dangerous. Found out the other day looking up "Aunt Fat Ass Street"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

205 This August in the Toronto area [despite the urban heat island effect] was the first August since the 1960s [or early '70s??] without a day above 30°C [68°F] when August here usually has plenty of over 90°F days.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 17, 2023 11:47 AM (krqg6)

206 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (d04cU)
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I dunno...Looks like she's well-equipped to deal with rising sea levels...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:47 AM (7fElN)

207 "Meanwhile nerds like myself have operating weather stations in our yards that are reporting in to sites like Weather Underground."

I thought Weather Underground got bought out by the weather channel or some place like that.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 17, 2023 11:47 AM (ou9hh)

208 200 The state is a genital wart on the vagina of liberty.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2023 11:45 AM (ogTiX)

More like invasive cervical cancer

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:47 AM (ynpvh)

209 203 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (d04cU)

She looks AI generated

Posted by: Tiger Woods at November 17, 2023 11:48 AM (lqvOK)

210 fascinating long term physical reference point to sea level is Pevensey Castle, on the southern coast of Britain. It was

Is the wardrobe leading to Narnia still there?

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at November 17, 2023 11:48 AM (YJJYt)

211 Being facetious, or not?
DuckDuckGo, on image searches has three settings: Strict, Moderate, and OFF. Off is sometimes...dangerous. Found out the other day looking up "Aunt Fat Ass Street"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)
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Both, I guess...never used "safe search mode" though there are some things I don't go looking for while at work, of course.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:48 AM (7fElN)

212 The answer, of course, is that weather satellites don't show a persistent or consistent warming trend.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:39 AM (d04cU)

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Weather satellites are climate deniers?

Stone them!

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:48 AM (G/hXt)

213 Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (PiZUX

It’s mostly the result of man made changes but I still find it interesting that parts of NYC used to be covered by water. There are still ship docking posts quite far inland in some neighborhoods.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (MNhXM)

214 " If they invented a truly "carbon" neutral way to generate power that actually worked, these same degenerates would invent a new "pollutant" to continue the scam."

It's called hydropower and they claim it (and the dams required to generate it) inconveniences salmon and indigenous fishermen.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (ou9hh)

215 Weather satellites are climate deniers?

Stone them!
Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:48 AM (G/hXt)
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It's difficult and expensive to get stones up there.

Easier to just stone the people who mention it.

Speaking of the former, does anyone know when the Starship launch will happen?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (d04cU)

216 163 I wonder what the mechanism is for filling in phony data for now-absent sensors. I doubt there is a human typing in bogus figures. Probably an automated system that multiplies the prior average by some amount (say, 1.1) and then reduces it randomly by some figure that will, on average, show warming.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:36 AM (d04cU)

Or it could be they use an average of the temps of the two closest active stations that are 135 to 180 degrees apart relative to the dud station. That could be accurate within a few degrees F most of the time, but not all the time. Or maybe they ask a special Magic 8 Ball for a number.

Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (5fDan)

217 Found out the other day looking up "Aunt Fat Ass Street"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh

I'll take "Shit You Can't Unsee" for $800, Alex.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (R4t5M)

218 211 Being facetious, or not?
DuckDuckGo, on image searches has three settings: Strict, Moderate, and OFF. Off is sometimes...dangerous. Found out the other day looking up "Aunt Fat Ass Street"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)
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Both, I guess...never used "safe search mode" though there are some things I don't go looking for while at work, of course.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:48 AM (7fElN)

At work, I have it set at moderate. Did a search for a part, and I guess that word or phrase was close to another I was not aware of...at least the results were "moderate"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (ynpvh)

219 There is an upside to the warming temperatures.
Vintners have produced an anti-diuretic hybrid grape that reduces the number of times people over 29 have to get up and pee at night. It is called a Pinot More.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (uSHSS)

220 @135 The Panama Canal is "watered from above," not by the sea. It's the rainfall in the uplands that has dropped off. Still not evidence of global climate change, though.

You have to add a lot of heat to make bodies burn. The death camps wasted a lot of fuel that could have gone to the war effort. There was recognizable smoke from the stacks, but the heat from the crematoriums was never used for anything. Not very German of them.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (4PZHB)

221 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0

That torn jeans fad is so stupid. Nice-looking lady, but dumb fashion choices.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (JrojV)

222 154
Kill every inner city thug. Then they can probably re-open.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (roH4R)

223 Wait...the government is lying???

* Clutches pearls *

I must take to my fainting couch.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (hH3Px)

224 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (d04cU)

Those shorts are really threadbare. One day, they might just fall off.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (3Z9X/)

225 Car manufacturers dislike cash buyers because they make their real money not in selling the cars but in financing them. So car manufacturers WANT normal cars and trucks to cost $60K-$100K, because it allows for lending, high interest rates, and 96+ month loans.
___

Agree. But if you do have the cash, don't let them know. Just confirm that the loan has no prepayment penalties, negotiate the financing fees in the out the door price. Pay the loan off with cash next week.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (fs1hN)

226 213 Posted by: Tom Servo at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (PiZUX

It’s mostly the result of man made changes but I still find it interesting that parts of NYC used to be covered by water. There are still ship docking posts quite far inland in some neighborhoods.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (MNhXM)

Land is still heaving from the last Ice Age.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

227
I think in my area (SE PA) they call it a heat wave when there are three consecutive days in the 90's. It happened twice this summer, but just barely. Like 91 degrees at four o'clock after most of the day in the 75-85 degree range.

These new heat waves aren't nearly as girthy as they used to be.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (enJYY)

228 https://is.gd/QlYcN0

Yes I agree. This looks like another AI generated babe.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (MNhXM)

229 Or it could be they use an average of the temps of the two closest active stations that are 135 to 180 degrees apart relative to the dud station. That could be accurate within a few degrees F most of the time, but not all the time. Or maybe they ask a special Magic 8 Ball for a number.
Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (5fDan)
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Either way, they integrate the phony number - well-constructed or not - into the official final figure. And "within a few degrees F" is pretty damn important when they're positioning all policy recommendations based on changes within that range...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:51 AM (d04cU)

230 @135 The Panama Canal is "watered from above," not by the sea. It's the rainfall in the uplands that has dropped off. Still not evidence of global climate change, though.

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One would think some ruffian had scratched water level marks on the walls there.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:51 AM (BMWRT)

231 Yes I agree. This looks like another AI generated babe.

How can you tell? Honest question.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (JrojV)

232 214 " If they invented a truly "carbon" neutral way to generate power that actually worked, these same degenerates would invent a new "pollutant" to continue the scam."

It's called hydropower and they claim it (and the dams required to generate it) inconveniences salmon and indigenous fishermen.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (ou9hh)

Delta Smelt. Hey, the water must flow for them! Who cares if the farmers can't grow crops.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (ynpvh)

233 Hottest on record might mean since Bernie became a Senator & dragged the former & clueless federal agency enforcement people with him as Congressional consultants.

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (GshMh)

234 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (d04cU)

She looks AI generated
Posted by: Tiger Woods at November 17, 2023 11:48 AM (lqvOK)
***

She's generating something!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (uSHSS)

235 It's called hydropower and they claim it (and the dams required to generate it) inconveniences salmon and indigenous fishermen.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (ou9hh)

So where did the salmon spawn when all of North America was covered by a huge ice sheet?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (3Z9X/)

236 Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (MNhXM)

What are the criteria for determined whether she's a AI generated babe?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (yqsui)

237 Agree. But if you do have the cash, don't let them know. Just confirm that the loan has no prepayment penalties, negotiate the financing fees in the out the door price. Pay the loan off with cash next week.

Posted by: Chuck Martel

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The problem being we still end up buying $60K cars, when the market should be dropping like a rock.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (BMWRT)

238 174 A fascinating long term physical reference point to sea level is Pevensey Castle, on the southern coast of Britain. It was originally a Roman fort built in late antiquity to guard an important port from marauders, overlooking the entrance to the harbor. It now sits high and dry, the bay it guarded is all farmland, and the sea is now 2 - 3 miles away.
Sea levels were actually higher during the Roman Warm Period than they are now.
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Thanks Tom. This means that William not only conquered England he commanded the seas to retreat. We Normans are special.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 17, 2023 11:53 AM (iDpzk)

239 I dunno...Looks like she's well-equipped to deal with rising sea levels...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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Those aren't buoys...

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld reference at November 17, 2023 11:53 AM (aBJcM)

240 217 Found out the other day looking up "Aunt Fat Ass Street"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh

I'll take "Shit You Can't Unsee" for $800, Alex.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (R4t5M)

I was horrified by what "unfolded"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:53 AM (ynpvh)

241 I'm coming to the conclusion that the only things that are real are what I take in with my 5 senses. Everything else is fabricated.

Posted by: InZona at November 17, 2023 11:53 AM (qz1Fg)

242 She's generating something!
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (uSHSS)

Clicks and money on Instagram?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2023 11:53 AM (yqsui)

243 221 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0

That torn jeans fad is so stupid. Nice-looking lady, but dumb fashion choices.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (JrojV)

Indeed. I buy good jeans and wear holes in them the old fashioned way: working.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

244 "Your government is lying to you about an impending climate apocalypse so it can impose global eco-communism on you."

And Wall Street loves the profit margins in China/India, so they make sure no climate accords touch their fully polluted cheap labor profits, no matter how much labor laws or pollution destruction goes on (real pollution, not the CO2 BC).

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2023 11:54 AM (Cus5s)

245 This means that William not only conquered England he commanded the seas to retreat.

Those asshole waves wouldn't listen to me.

Posted by: Canute at November 17, 2023 11:54 AM (JrojV)

246
This August in the Toronto area [despite the urban heat island effect] was the first August since the 1960s [or early '70s??] without a day above 30°C [68°F] when August here usually has plenty of over 90°F days.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 17, 2023 11:47 AM

Wildfire smoke dimming the sunshine?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 17, 2023 11:54 AM (enJYY)

247 Speaking of hot, Pandora has brought up a song by the band Dope Lemon, and displayed their Mannix-worth album cover (probably NSFW). I figured I'd share it here.
https://tinyurl.com/hfrc5rj5

The model is an Australian named Franziska Gurtler, but have your safe search on, because she apparently likes to model nude a lot lol.

Posted by: Musical Moron at November 17, 2023 11:40 AM (JCZqz)

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The Electrified Nipples would be a great name for a band.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:54 AM (1nnCC)

248 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2023 11:55 AM (aLaxL)

249 Upright bass in the band, For Buck:

https://youtu.be/BKoYT4febHM

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:55 AM (3Z9X/)

250 She's generating something!
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (uSHSS)

Clicks and money on Instagram?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2023 11:53 AM (yqsui)

Probably.

But, she does look like a girl I saw in church last week. Very pretty and very nice.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:55 AM (uSHSS)

251 This means that William not only conquered England he commanded the seas to retreat.
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Those asshole waves wouldn't listen to me.
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*golf clap*
Posted by: Canute at November 17, 2023 11:54 AM (JrojV)

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 17, 2023 11:55 AM (7fElN)

252 225 Car manufacturers dislike cash buyers because they make their real money not in selling the cars but in financing them. So car manufacturers WANT normal cars and trucks to cost $60K-$100K, because it allows for lending, high interest rates, and 96+ month loans.
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Agree. But if you do have the cash, don't let them know. Just confirm that the loan has no prepayment penalties, negotiate the financing fees in the out the door price. Pay the loan off with cash next week.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 17, 2023 11:50 AM (fs1hN)

I took over payments (many moons ago) for a car my parents owned that they gave to me; it had a pre-payment penalty. Even with that, refinancing it was less expensive than continuing the payments.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:55 AM (ynpvh)

253 Another part of the rigged game is, are there independent reviews of the climate models in use? If there are (I doubt it), it's a good bet the so-called independent experts reviewing the models are also members of the 97% of Climate Experts Team who agree the Earth's climate will continue getting hotter because of human-caused CO2 release. It's a totally rigged game.

Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2023 11:56 AM (5fDan)

254 Beyond the data manipulation is the consequences that are going to be ginned up if we don't significantly change our lifestyles. This is really what the plan is. Generate a fake 'emergency' (as *biden has already given himself emergency powers to declare a crisis when the time is ripe) the next steps involve all the wet dreams the environmental nutters dream of. Drastic reductions in the use of fossil fuels, limits on energy usage, limits on mobility and so on.

The whole op is being sold as a 'do or die' scenario. They tried it with covid but too many people lived through the op (only to die due to the 'cure' later but that's another story for another time.)

If the erf dies... we all die.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 17, 2023 11:56 AM (Q4IgG)

255 Yes I agree. This looks like another AI generated babe.

How can you tell? Honest question.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (JrojV)

In my case I’m comparing to other confirmed AI generated photos.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 11:56 AM (MNhXM)

256 Axios reports the Plant Hardiness Map has been released.

In part, "Warming temperatures are changing where and when different plant varieties can grow most successfully, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) map released this week."

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 17, 2023 11:56 AM (GshMh)

257 235 It's called hydropower and they claim it (and the dams required to generate it) inconveniences salmon and indigenous fishermen.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (ou9hh)

So where did the salmon spawn when all of North America was covered by a huge ice sheet?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (3Z9X/)

It was a long wait, I tell ya. And it sucked.

Posted by: Pacific Salmon at November 17, 2023 11:56 AM (ynpvh)

258 199 Hmmmm. Not many results with safesearch on...

*looks at safesearch button...*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:43 AM (zZu0s)

do it.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner

That's my line.

Posted by: Emperor Palpatine at November 17, 2023 11:56 AM (JCZqz)

259 There's also that picture of the temps in England with red all over the map and years earlier the relatively same temps on a map with green coloring. It's all an op.

Posted by: InZona at November 17, 2023 11:56 AM (qz1Fg)

260 "So where did the salmon spawn when all of North America was covered by a huge ice sheet?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon"

There you go, asking questions again.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM (ou9hh)

261 This looks like another AI generated babe.
++++++++
How can you tell? Honest question.

**********

The presence or absence of a belly button.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM (991eG)

262 The problem being we still end up buying $60K cars, when the market should be dropping like a rock.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:52 AM (BMWRT)
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They will, for the same reason house prices will once forced-selling happens (same in both cases - homeowners for the latter, dealers and manufacturers for the former). Right now, prices are supported by low inventory despite interest rates. That game doesn't last forever.

Once someone *has* to sell for whatever reason, inventory increases and can longer support the price in the context of high interest rates. Increasing interest rates - a long-term cycle, starting not long ago - will end a lot of this as other price supports fail under the weight of forced inventory movement.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM (d04cU)

263 209 203 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (d04cU)

She looks AI generated
Posted by: Tiger Woods at November 17, 2023 11:48 AM (lqvOK)

Her teeth look like they glow in the dark.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM (zZu0s)

264 And never forget "hide the decline"!

Posted by: InZona at November 17, 2023 11:58 AM (qz1Fg)

265 Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:55 AM (uSHSS)

Well, I'm glad she was at church. I'm guessing you're married or old enough to be her father? 😉
If so, encourage the unmarried men here to come to your church.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2023 11:58 AM (yqsui)

266 Turning safe search to off will quickly teach you that..

there are a lot of models named Franziska!

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at November 17, 2023 11:58 AM (4PZHB)

267 In part, "Warming temperatures are changing where and when different plant varieties can grow most successfully, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) map released this week."

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 17, 2023 11:56 AM (GshMh)

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So patented commercial crops that have been genetically modified for decades to grow in other areas can now grow in slightly out-of-range areas.

GLOBAL WARMING!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:58 AM (BMWRT)

268 This looks like another AI generated babe.
++++++++
How can you tell? Honest question.

**********

The presence or absence of a belly button.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM (991eG)
***

And right now, thousands of computers everywhere are reloading that link.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (uSHSS)

269 Thanks mainstream media for reminding everyone that you are NOT worthy of trust.

- Losers

Posted by: Marooned at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (kt8QE)

270 261 This looks like another AI generated babe.
++++++++
How can you tell? Honest question.

**********

The presence or absence of a belly button.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM (991eG)

Hands inverted. To many fingers. The way she eats...

Posted by: Pacific Salmon at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

271 I took over payments (many moons ago) for a car my parents owned that they gave to me; it had a pre-payment penalty. Even with that, refinancing it was less expensive than continuing the payments.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:55 AM (ynpvh)
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Pre-payment penalty on a loan enforceable in CA? A lot of states forbid those clauses and they're not enforceable and I'd be shocked if CA wasn't one of them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (d04cU)

272 Both, I guess...never used "safe search mode" though there are some things I don't go looking for while at work, of course.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Let me tell you, some of the things seen with safesearch off can never be unseen.

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (JCZqz)

273 The problem being we still end up buying $60K cars, when the market should be dropping like a rock.
____

I agree. The advice was for the individual who has the cash. But there are some decent cars still below $30k. I personnally don't have cash for that level either, in case you were wondering.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (fs1hN)

274 Did a search for a part, and I guess that word or phrase was close to another I was not aware of...at least the results were "moderate"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (ynpvh)

"Six inch cast iron nipples...."

AHHHHHH! SON OF A BITCH!

Posted by: Warai-otoko is a climatomancer at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (9UlRk)

275 Well, I'm glad she was at church. I'm guessing you're married or old enough to be her father? 😉
If so, encourage the unmarried men here to come to your church.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2023 11:58 AM (yqsui)

Grandfather.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (uSHSS)

276 Not only are they lying about the temps, but too many of the reporting stations are in wrong spots. Seventy years ago or so, A station might have been sited in a nice park or other chunk of green. Today, that spot has either been paved ,which raises the temperature, or worse, sitting near an air conditioner vent.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I stand with Israel and all Jews everywhere at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (6TzTY)

277 229 Or it could be they use an average of the temps of the two closest active stations that are 135 to 180 degrees apart relative to the dud station. That could be accurate within a few degrees F most of the time, but not all the time. Or maybe they ask a special Magic 8 Ball for a number.
Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (5fDan)
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Either way, they integrate the phony number - well-constructed or not - into the official final figure. And "within a few degrees F" is pretty damn important when they're positioning all policy recommendations based on changes within that range...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:51 AM (d04cU)

Yep.

Posted by: Gref at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (5fDan)

278 "In part, "Warming temperatures are changing where and when different plant varieties can grow most successfully, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) map released this week.""

Oof. That's going to kill a lot of plants if they're using NOAA data.

It's a multi-pronged approach to create mass starvation!

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (ou9hh)

279 Seriously that any of the climate nonsense gains purchase with the public it’s due to the decline of religion in America…. I was immersed in the Bible as a yute so just off the top of my head I can quote: “The earth is the Lords and the fullness thereof”

God Almighty is in charge of the earth and as a consequence I don’t worry about climate catastrophe. To me it’s an absurd notion. But nowadays you have a bunch of folks who either worship the earth like pagans or worship “science” (which they don’t even understand what it is and have never heard of Francis Bacon)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 17, 2023 11:29 AM (vezcz)

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As El Rushbo would point out, even if man intentionally tried to destroy the climate -- it couldn't be done.

Out: The Gods of the Copybook Headings.
In: The Gods of the Narcissist Spreadings.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (8TAvB)

280 Hands inverted. To many fingers. The way she eats...
Posted by: Pacific Salmon at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)
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Hands a serious giveaway. Hers look normal, as do her fingernails and elbow. I suspect significant retouching and airbrushing more than AI.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 12:00 PM (d04cU)

281 Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM

LOL. Probably not the smoothest pick up line: "Hey babe; I'd like to see if your teeth glow in the dark." But it might be good to make her laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2023 12:00 PM (yqsui)

282 271 I took over payments (many moons ago) for a car my parents owned that they gave to me; it had a pre-payment penalty. Even with that, refinancing it was less expensive than continuing the payments.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 11:55 AM (ynpvh)
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Pre-payment penalty on a loan enforceable in CA? A lot of states forbid those clauses and they're not enforceable and I'd be shocked if CA wasn't one of them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (d04cU)

This was decades ago. It was a large, local car dealer where my parents lived. It was a major car mfgr dealer. So at the time, must've been legal.

Posted by: Pacific Salmon at November 17, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

283 Nood. ace is up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 12:01 PM (zZu0s)

284 Her teeth look like they glow in the dark.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM (zZu0s)

Ross Friends reference coming up! With dark light

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 17, 2023 12:01 PM (vezcz)

285 Let me tell you, some of the things seen with safesearch off can never be unseen.
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar

They can be linked, however.

Posted by: Canute at November 17, 2023 12:01 PM (JrojV)

286 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 17, 2023 11:29 AM (vezcz

Well said!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2023 12:01 PM (yqsui)

287 THE BOSS HAZ A NOOD

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2023 12:01 PM (aLaxL)

288 Once someone *has* to sell for whatever reason, inventory increases and can longer support the price in the context of high interest rates. Increasing interest rates - a long-term cycle, starting not long ago - will end a lot of this as other price supports fail under the weight of forced inventory movement.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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But, same as food prices, the floor is now $60-$100K. Prices won't go below that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 12:02 PM (BMWRT)

289 I agree. The advice was for the individual who has the cash. But there are some decent cars still below $30k. I personnally don't have cash for that level either, in case you were wondering.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 17, 2023 11:59 AM (fs1hN)

There are plenty of good older vehicles in the used market. Two to five year old ones will go at a premium, but the 5 to 20 year old ones don't, and there can still be many, many good miles in them, and lots of independent shops skilled at repairing them, if DIY isn't your plan.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2023 12:02 PM (3Z9X/)

290 LOL. Probably not the smoothest pick up line: "Hey babe; I'd like to see if your teeth glow in the dark." But it might be good to make her laugh.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I don't know about my teeth, but my face, hair and clothes all light up under black light...

Posted by: Lena Dunham at November 17, 2023 12:02 PM (JCZqz)

291 A Mail Pouch "chewin bacca" thermometer nailed to the barn and a wet finger in the wind would give more accurate results. And Grandpa's knees.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 17, 2023 12:02 PM (0EOe9)

292 281 Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at November 17, 2023 11:57 AM

LOL. Probably not the smoothest pick up line: "Hey babe; I'd like to see if your teeth glow in the dark." But it might be good to make her laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2023 12:00 PM (yqsui)

They should in blacklight...

Posted by: Pacific Salmon at November 17, 2023 12:02 PM (ynpvh)

293 So patented commercial crops that have been genetically modified for decades to grow in other areas can now grow in slightly out-of-range areas.

GLOBAL WARMING!!!
Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 11:58 AM (BMWRT)

Sri Lanka was an unheeded lesson.

Nature gives zero fucks about their lysenkoist hobby horses.

Get ready for some massive crop failures as all the farmland bought by retard conglomerates gets planted with shit that won't grow there.

And if they start irrigating with Gatorade, just freeze my head and turn the lights out when you leave. Thanks.

Posted by: Warai-otoko is a climatomancer at November 17, 2023 12:03 PM (9UlRk)

294 291 A Mail Pouch "chewin bacca" thermometer nailed to the barn and a wet finger in the wind would give more accurate results. And Grandpa's knees.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 17, 2023 12:02 PM (0EOe9)

My knees used to ache when the weather was changing, but that stopped a decade or so ago. Now they just ache most of the time.

Posted by: Pacific Salmon at November 17, 2023 12:03 PM (ynpvh)

295 nood biden corruption

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 17, 2023 12:03 PM (krqg6)

296 I agree. The advice was for the individual who has the cash. But there are some decent cars still below $30k. I personnally don't have cash for that level either, in case you were wondering.

Posted by: Chuck Martel
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There are stripped cloth-interior Civics and Corollas and maybe a Hyundai. And they'll be right at $30K.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 12:03 PM (BMWRT)

297 off fishy sock.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

298 NOOD

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 17, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

299 I bought a vehicle for cash once, a brand new SUV with all the options I wanted, in other words, full retail, no discount anything. Damn, I was doing OK back then.
I was writing the check for balance when the finance manager walked in with his 11 year old red head daughter (with braces) and literally begged me to finance it. I just said, sorry, I'm here to buy the truck.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 17, 2023 12:05 PM (MeG8a)

300 I have a useless talent of being able to consciously and subconsciously detect very subtle traits and / or differences of people , objects , photos ,etc.

For instance on a subconscious level I can instantly tell whether a person is Asian from just seeing the back of them.

This useless power also works on an auditory level.

Posted by: Drive by at November 17, 2023 12:05 PM (MNhXM)

301 Trust in the Lord thy God.

Posted by: Archer at November 17, 2023 12:06 PM (gmo/4)

302 One would think some ruffian had scratched water level marks on the walls there.

Pay close attention, because obviously you had not heard this before: Panama Canal traffic is way off because of the lack of water. The locks still have to fill enough to float the ships, but the lake is down due to drought and they cannot fill them as often.

If you had the Big Buttons on your phone, you could look this up. Wonder if Alexa could help you with that.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at November 17, 2023 12:07 PM (4PZHB)

303 Speaking of the former, does anyone know when the Starship launch will happen?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:49 AM (d04cU)

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The second flight test of a fully integrated Starship is set to launch Saturday, November 18. A twenty-minute launch window opens at 7:00 a.m. CT.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 17, 2023 12:07 PM (p6TW6)

304 If you had the Big Buttons on your phone, you could look this up. Wonder if Alexa could help you with that.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver

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Bless your heart.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - $10B freed up for Iran, Joe didn't demand the 3 year old Jew hostage freed at November 17, 2023 12:11 PM (BMWRT)

305 The fun thing to do would be to find some government agency that isn't constantly lying to the public that pays their salaries.

Posted by: TimothyJ at November 17, 2023 12:35 PM (9rdYh)

306 This blonde with great teeth knows that the "official historical temperature record" is bullshit:
https://is.gd/QlYcN0
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 17, 2023 11:46 AM (d04cU)

That's a Man-ikin, Baby!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 17, 2023 01:00 PM (aD39U)

307 Defund the Department of Commerce. 80% of its budget goes to NOAA.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 17, 2023 01:13 PM (dRIRU)

308 NOAA needs new leadership who don't have any connections to the Eco-Freak groups pushing this Global Warming, Climate Change load of Poppycock

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at November 17, 2023 06:04 PM (wGqjj)

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