Verdict in Maya Kowalski Case: $220 Million+

I heard about the Netflix documentary, Taking Care of Maya. It's about a young girl named Maya Kowalski who had a rare syndrome which causes her pain without any injury.

A hospital decided that this diagnosis was false and that the parents were abusing the girl. They took the girl away and held her in the hospital against her will and would not allow her parents to see it.

The mother ultimately hanged herself.

Maya sued the hospital for false imprisonment, among other things.

She just won $221 million.

Netflix's Maya Kowalski breaks down in court as she WINS $220M lawsuit against 'dysfunctional' All Children's Hospital as jury finds her false imprisonment by medics drove her mom to suicide
Jurors ruled in favor of Maya Kowalski, 17, in her $220 million lawsuit

It was found that Johns Hopkins All Children's hospital callously dismissed Maya's debilitating condition and falsely claimed her mom made it up
Maya's mom, Beata, ultimately took her own life, with the jury finding the hospital's mistakes led to the tragedy

Jurors in the trial between Netflix teen Maya Kowalski and Johns Hopkins All Children's Hospital have ruled in favor of Maya, finding the hospital liable of allegations including false imprisonment.
Kowalski broke down in tears as the verdict was read, with over $200 million in damages awarded to her which she will receive when she reaches 18-years-old.
The jury found that mistakes made by the hospital caused or were likely to have caused Kowalski's mother to kill herself, in a ruling that elicited a heartbreaking reaction from the courtroom.
The issue had been central to the trial, with Maya, her father Jack and brother Kyle suing JHACH in St Petersburg, Florida alleging that accusations of child abuse against Maya's mother, Beata, led to her taking her own life in 2017.
The trio were emotional as their attorney and the defense presented closing arguments on Tuesday with both sides agreeing it was important for 'closure.'
Maya, 17, was just 10 years old when she was removed by the state after doctors at the hospital accused her parents of faking symptoms for her rare condition - complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS). During her three-month hospital stay, Beata was forbidden from seeing her.
The family argue that the grief stricken mom fell into a depression and ultimately hanged herself in the family garage but the Florida medical facility has vehemently denied these allegations and others set against them. The tragedy was later detailed in the Netflix documentary 'Taking Care of Maya.'
In its ruling on Thursday, the hospital was found liable for false imprisonment of Maya; battery of Maya; fraudulent billing of her father Jack; inflicting emotional distress on Beata; wrongful death claim for the estate of Beata; and intentionally inflicting emotional distress on Maya.
In a statement after the ruling was handed down, Howard Hunter, attorney from Hill Ward Henderson who represented Johns Hopkins in the case, told DailyMail.com that the hospital intends to appeal the decision.
'We thank the jury for their time and attention during this trial and intend to pursue an appeal based on clear and prejudicial errors throughout the trial and deliberate conduct by plaintiff's counsel that misled the jury,' the statement read.

The reading of the verdict:

Some doctors and "experts" are over-eager to accuse parents of child abuse and they're a horrible menace.

Hundreds of parents say kids wrongly taken from them after doctors misdiagnosed abuse

"They made us feel like we were monsters," said a Florida mother who temporarily lost custody of her 4-month-old son based on a doctor's report.

Update: Now that I'm listening to the verdict, it sounds like she was only falsely imprisoned for three days. Maybe this is excessive.

I'm not sure what happened after that. Surely the mother didn't kill herself after the hospital held her daughter for just three days, did she?

And if she did -- seems like she was already mentally ill, doesn't it?

I don't know, I'm coming into this cold. I only heard about the documentary second-hand. It was never relayed to me that the period of false imprisonment was just three days.

Reading more into the article: There was more to it than three days. Maybe the three days of false imprisonment is the one thing they can sue for, and the jury is awarding her for all the things she couldn't sue for.

They took her off of ketamine, which had been controlling her pain, putting her through more pain.

The evidence that we've been able to put on through our defense case has shown that Maya came to us in a horrible condition on a number of dangerous and unnecessary drugs,' Shapiro, attorney for the hospital said during the trial.
'We were able to wean her off those drugs and get her to a place where she can be like you see her today, walking in and out of court, going to homecoming and living a more normal teenage life.'
Anderson rebuffed the defense's narrative that Maya is doing much better after they showed pictures of her in court enjoying similar luxuries as a 'normal teen' including going out on Halloween and her homecoming dance.
'There's a base level of pain, but when you're in that much pain at different times it becomes, it's not as noticeable as a normal person, really,' Anderson said.
'You develop a high tolerance for it. CRPS patients always have a little bit of pain, but it does come and go, and this is one of the elusive and frankly frustrating things about the disease.'
Anderson argued that out of the five depositions made by Maya the defense had been picking snippets to portray Maya's life after hospitalization as 'normal.'
He pointed out that Maya 'almost died after one relapse' and she was sent to Arnold Palmer's Children's Hospital in Orlando where she was given a feeding tube because of the significant weight loss she experienced.
'The fact that they stood up for their rights to treat their own child with the best knowledge they could, with every bit of information they could, and they made the right choices,' Anderson said.
'So, the things that happened to them at Johns Hopkins are beyond belief, absolutely beyond belief, but we've proved them over and over again.'

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:24 PM

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1 You go girl!

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2023 03:24 PM (i9ffA)

2 This is a magnificent indictment of the corporate/medical complex in America.

It thinks that it knows better, that we should have no say over our own health, and that parents especially are immediately suspect and should be barred from decision-making.

Hopefully a teenaged transgender surgery victim will win $$$$.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2023 03:25 PM (3Gtis)

3 The arrogance of the medical establishment never ceases to amaze and disgust.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at November 09, 2023 03:26 PM (OUMaO)

4 Social workers are neither.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 09, 2023 03:27 PM (lf83v)

5 3 The arrogance of the medical establishment never ceases to amaze and disgust.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at November 09, 2023 03:26 PM (OUMaO)

I'm glad to see anything that takes them down a peg or two.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2023 03:27 PM (i9ffA)

6 Hey, only we know what's best for kids. Should have looped us in.

Posted by: Teachers at November 09, 2023 03:27 PM (KuG1T)

7 dont doubt that activist lefty doctors will start doing this to people based on politics.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 09, 2023 03:28 PM (CIS44)

8 You MAGA supporters are the Nazis.

Also you're required to wear this mask before you enter the hospital.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:28 PM (Kt1w/)

9 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:28 PM (Zz0t1)

10 Gads, what a horrible story. I’m glad Maya won, but all those millions won’t bring her mother back.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:28 PM (JrojV)

11 What a horrible story.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at November 09, 2023 03:28 PM (Mzdiz)

12 That's not enough money.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 09, 2023 03:28 PM (oVv4i)

13 I have submitted a noodlum in the previous thread.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:29 PM (Zz0t1)

14 Chick is so white she's blue. Like skim milk. Call her Mayanaise.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at November 09, 2023 03:29 PM (QqMaK)

15 If the docs and state workers aren't held personally liable, nothing will change.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 09, 2023 03:29 PM (IG4Id)

16 Wow!
The good guys can win one out of ten thousand, after all.

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at November 09, 2023 03:29 PM (gxokI)

17 Hundreds of parents say kids wrongly taken from them after doctors misdiagnosed abuse

"They made us feel like we were monsters," said a Florida mother who temporarily lost custody of her 4-month-old son based on a doctor's report.

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Let them cut their genitals off and everything will be fine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:29 PM (Kt1w/)

18 Hey, scumbag lawyer (BIRP) representing scumbag doctors. Take the L.

Posted by: GM27, SEP Field Technician at November 09, 2023 03:30 PM (RKLPC)

19 dont doubt that activist lefty doctors will start doing this to people based on politics.
Posted by: BruceWayne

They already do.

Just try telling them you won't let them chop off your son's dick and sew it on to his sister.

They'll take your kid away for that. Even in TX.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 09, 2023 03:30 PM (0FoWg)

20 Gads, what a horrible story. I’m glad Maya won, but all those millions won’t bring her mother back.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

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That's what, 1.3 minutes of John Hopkins operating costs?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:31 PM (Kt1w/)

21 Testimony for the penalty phase going on now.
CEO of Chris Craft on the stand now for the plaintiff..
Recovery Addict channel on utube.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:31 PM (ufFY8)

22 Man, I didn't see the documentary. Not sue I want too.
This sounds horrendous.

Posted by: Inogame at November 09, 2023 03:31 PM (53oGX)

23 Hope their appeal is denied

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2023 03:31 PM (bs+z0)

24 They already do.

Just try telling them you won't let them chop off your son's dick and sew it on to his sister.

They'll take your kid away for that. Even in TX.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice a

Oh I know that, what Im saying is they will start lying about abuse to justify taking a kid away from those dirty conservative parents.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 09, 2023 03:31 PM (CIS44)

25 My wife is a lawyer and social worker that used to work with abused children.

She said the main social worker that reported 90+ cases of Munchausen's by proxy, has the same likelihood of winning the lottery, being struck by lightning, and hearing an intelligent Biden video on the same day.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2023 03:31 PM (HlyYF)

26 That's all well and good, but what happens to the Dr's that made the decision to destroy this family, then the state officials that agreed with them?

Will THEY suffer PAIN for what they've done?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:32 PM (Zz0t1)

27 John Hopkins endowment as of 2021:

$9.32 billion

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:32 PM (Kt1w/)

28 Johns Hopkins was also where that psychotic freak John Money did his satanic trans shit with that poor boy and his brother. That place needs to be razed and earth-salted.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:32 PM (JrojV)

29 23 Hope their appeal is denied
Posted by: It's me donna
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The jury has not yet decided on punitive damages and reports indicate that it may hit one billion bucks.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2023 03:32 PM (jm34Q)

30 15 If the docs and state workers aren't held personally liable, nothing will change.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 09, 2023 03:29 PM

Agree.

However, I am pretty sure the worst offending social workers won't even lose a day's pay!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2023 03:33 PM (HlyYF)

31
However, I am pretty sure the worst offending social workers won't even lose a day's pay!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at N

Paid 2 week vacation probably.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 09, 2023 03:33 PM (CIS44)

32 Consequences should have also included the hanging of those who caused this.

Posted by: Agent Johnson to Agent Johnson at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (N1DT3)

33 There is a possibility that the 3x compensatory cap can be removed in this case, if the jury finds that they intentionally harmed Maya. So, the family may get more than a theoretical max of $663m punitive.

This specific question was included in the jury instructions, and the jury seems pissed.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (ufFY8)

34 The jury has not yet decided on punitive damages and reports indicate that it may hit one billion bucks.

Posted by: whig

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When you use your unique academic position to literally imprison a small child and drive her mother to suicide...

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (Kt1w/)

35 16 Wow!
The good guys can win one out of ten thousand, after all.
Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children

They Do Not Kill at November 09, 2023 03:29 PM

I wonder if the daughter hired Nick Sandmann's attorneys?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (HlyYF)

36 California hardest hit ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (iFQ3I)

37 I used to shake my head when awards like this were handed down. I worked for some large corporations and thought, back then, that these were just good people doing their best.
In recent years, I think that's changed. Large corporations are run by HR and Legal departments that care about their agendas but don't give a shit about you and me. Fuck 'em. I hope they lose billions.

Posted by: Wally at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (icbbn)

38 That's a lot of money.

Wonder if that verdict will hold on appeal.

I know nothing about the case whatsoever, but the moms suicide seems a bit (legally) attenuated, no?

Is it reasonably foreseeable that a med mal case would lead to the patients' mothers suicide?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (mj0Qp)

39 Why is she referred to as a "Netflix teen"?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (N3zMI)

40 The jury has not yet decided on punitive damages and reports indicate that it may hit one billion bucks.

Awww. You just hate to see it.

Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 03:35 PM (Z9msI)

41 Hop is a bad place

bad juju there

if they feel pain from this, good

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:35 PM (AcWfM)

42 I'm not saying it should happen, but imagine if the ruling came with the option of Maya picking out one of the doctors wives or mothers and saying "Her."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:35 PM (Kt1w/)

43 How long long will the appeals take? Ten, maybe fifteen years?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 03:35 PM (BdMk6)

44 Good.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 09, 2023 03:36 PM (Qn59F)

45 In general , I am against these types of damages that hit hundreds of millions (or even billions) of dollars. Nobody really wins except lawyers. And they aren't on our side.

I know sometimes it might feel good when one out of a thousand go "our way" but its overall a disgusting trend.

Like 2 vets sued 3M over the foam ear plugs you use in the military and they said they suffered hearing loss. These are soldiers, remember. They got awarded $58 million. For saying they suffered hearing loss. Where do I sign up for that?

Whole debacle will cost over $5 billion.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2023 03:36 PM (6hx0K)

46 Isn't one of the docs from this case also implicated in the same kind of crap at other hospitals? Going to look for that info. Know I read it somewhere.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 09, 2023 03:36 PM (2NHgQ)

47 I'm not saying it should happen, but imagine if the ruling came with the option of Maya picking out one of the doctors wives or mothers and saying "Her."
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:35 PM (Kt1w/)

oooooh do you perchance have a newsletter

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 09, 2023 03:36 PM (CIS44)

48 Johns Hopkins was also where that psychotic freak John Money did his satanic trans shit with that poor boy and his brother. That place needs to be razed and earth-salted.

Eh. They still do a hell of a lot of good. It's where you want to go for cancer treatment, and they were among the first to stop doing the trans surgery. Perhaps, like most institutions, they're a mix of good and bad. Deal with the people who do evil, but let's keep some perspective.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 09, 2023 03:36 PM (I/Qkd)

49 At least they didn't cut her tits off.

Posted by: guy who always looks at the bright side at November 09, 2023 03:37 PM (v0R5T)

50

Child abuse will soon be not allowing your kid to change sexes, teaching them the Bible and opposing Leftism and Islam.

If that's not the law in California, it soon will be. And it will become national.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2023 03:37 PM (x0n13)

51 33 There is a possibility that the 3x compensatory cap can be removed in this case, if the jury finds that they intentionally harmed Maya. So, the family may get more than a theoretical max of $663m punitive.

This specific question was included in the jury instructions, and the jury seems pissed.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:34

It would not break MY heart if the CEO of the John Hopkins corporation had to bus tables at the nearest Mexican restaurant to make ends meet!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2023 03:37 PM (HlyYF)

52 I hope the Judge, on appeal, slaps Johns Hopkins and those involved with even more fines and penalties. They did this on purpose and tried (and are still trying) to fuck over the family. They tried to cover up what they did (which is proof they saw what they did as potentially liable).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:37 PM (ynpvh)

53 Is it reasonably foreseeable that a med mal case would lead to the patients' mothers suicide?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 09, 2023 03:34 PM (mj0Qp)

Well, when your kid has been taken away for 87 days, and you are threatened with criminal child abuse charges, I can see being despondent and suicidal.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:38 PM (ufFY8)

54 Man, imagine if their policy was to imprison pre-teens AND chops their genitals off.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:38 PM (Kt1w/)

55 Perhaps, like most institutions, they're a mix of good and bad. Deal with the people who do evil, but let's keep some perspective.

Fine. No summary executions. We'll keep it strictly an exchange of large sums of money. Like a billion or so. Since they do such good work when they're not imprisoning little kids.

Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 03:38 PM (Z9msI)

56
Child abuse will soon be not allowing your kid to change sexes, teaching them the Bible and opposing Leftism and Islam.

If that's not the law in California, it soon will be. And it will become national.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2023 03:37 PM (x0n13)

Maya is sitting there with her rosary wrapped around her hand.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:38 PM (Zz0t1)

57
The John Hopkins School of International Relations (or whatever it's called) is just as lethal to Americans.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 09, 2023 03:38 PM (x0n13)

58
Social workers are neither.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 09, 2023 03:27 PM

My sister spent her career as a social worker and there is no bigger train wreck of a leftist on this planet. I try to feel some sympathy for her current situation in life but I know she would send me off to a reeducation camp - never to be heard from again - in a heartbeat. Maybe someday I'll have to explain that to St. Peter, if I'm lucky.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 09, 2023 03:38 PM (enJYY)

59 Update: Now that I'm listening to the verdict, it sounds like she was only falsely imprisoned for three days. Maybe this is excessive.

I'm not sure what happened after that. Surely the mother didn't kill herself after the hospital held her daughter for just three days, did she?

And if she did -- seems like she was already mentally ill, doesn't it?

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:24 PM

If you punch a guy in the head and he dies because he has a disease that makes his skull thin, you still get murder.

Pre-condition of the victim has nothing to do with the final cause.

And this is a pretty egregious one.

Posted by: Agent Johnson to Agent Johnson at November 09, 2023 03:39 PM (N1DT3)

60 27 John Hopkins endowment as of 2021:

$9.32 billion

endowments. yes, frustrating. but, not able to be used for any purpose or accessed at will by institutions.

I know some very very high donors to Penn who let them know that is over. their mil a year is now One American Dollar per year (yes, they are Jewish). good for them and Penn is FREAKING OUT and constantly begging them to forgive

so, it clearly does matter despite Penn's massive endowment

also, I go to campus still a lot. tt looks shabby. something weird is going on.

Hop I'm also there a lot. also looking shabbier than usual. facilities look dingy and things are broken. it's getting Georgetown-esque!

so, anyway, the texts and emails they released from the Hop kids' hospital practitioners were BAD. really bad. that's why the jury got so pissed.

righteous anger. more to come, I think. US healthcare is way off the rails.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:39 PM (AcWfM)

61 They already do.

Just try telling them you won't let them chop off your son's dick and sew it on to his sister.

Or make the huge mistake of revealing to them that you are a lawful firearm owner.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 09, 2023 03:39 PM (V8he0)

62 Will they medical staff in question also be criminally prosecuted?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2023 03:39 PM (XqcwY)

63
Well, when your kid has been taken away for 87 days, and you are threatened with criminal child abuse charges, I can see being despondent and suicidal.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:38 PM

Meh...if you actually LIKE your kid.

Posted by: Fat Douchebag in the WalMart Commercial at November 09, 2023 03:39 PM (Zz0t1)

64 Update: Now that I'm listening to the verdict, it sounds like she was only falsely imprisoned for three days. Maybe this is excessive.

I'm not sure what happened after that. Surely the mother didn't kill herself after the hospital held her daughter for just three days, did she?

Is 3 days of false imprisonment better than 60+? Absolutely. Is it still outrageous? Also absolutely. If I "falsely imprison" a girl for 3 days, I don't just get a fine, so why does John's Hopkins? Should pedos form LLC's to take the fall for them?

"No, your honor, I was acting as an agent of Free Candy and Puppy Petting LLC at the time of little Suzanne's accidental "disappearance". She said she had her parent's permission to ride in the van, and we just lost track of time with all the, uh, "puppy" petting.

Posted by: Moron at November 09, 2023 03:39 PM (JCZqz)

65 59 eggshell-skull doctrine

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:40 PM (JrojV)

66 Mere jurors should not be permitted to pass such judgements on EXPERTS.

That's what SCIENCE tells us.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM (brAQZ)

67 Update: Now that I'm listening to the verdict, it sounds like she was only falsely imprisoned for three days. Maybe this is excessive.

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Do that to a black male meth dealer with multiple felonies and see what happens.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM (Kt1w/)

68 Maya is sitting there with her rosary wrapped around her hand.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:38 PM (Zz0t1)

That sounded suspiciously like a Queensryche lyric.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM (ufFY8)

69
CPS! Throw the Bible and Rosary out and come out with your hands up!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM (MoZTd)

70 I'm watching it now. Those poor kids lost it when they read the verdicts re: causing the death of their mom.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM (1VFvU)

71 John's Hopkins was one of the finest hospitals in the world. But it's been infected by a liberal mindset and has largely taken up the progressives attack on society and our children.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM (ATSTk)

72
righteous anger. more to come, I think. US healthcare is way off the rails.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:39 PM (AcWfM)

A vast majority of the money that's to go into the facilities is likely funneled to pockets and nothing is done. Millions and millions disappear, meanwhile, the grounds turn to shit because no one cares.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM (Zz0t1)

73
That sounded suspiciously like a Queensryche lyric.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM

Why do you hate me?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:42 PM (Zz0t1)

74 Movie Trailer...

"Judges don't care about evidence".

This is so true in this day and age. Many Judges are bought and paid for, involved in all sorts of dirty dealings. St. Louis Family court is a great case of that; every judge in St. Louis recused themselves from hearing the case involving bribery and malfeasance by a Family Court Judge.
Look at the J6ers. Trump and his lawyers.

It's all dirty. :::types, deletes:::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:42 PM (ynpvh)

75 The nurse was found guilty of battery for kissing Maya and placing her on her lap...what??

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:42 PM (1VFvU)

76 Poor girl. Even with the millions, her mom is gone...

Posted by: runner at November 09, 2023 03:42 PM (NucQL)

77 Why do you hate me?

How much time do ya' got ?

Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 03:42 PM (Z9msI)

78 They kidnapped the kid so the staff could molest her?

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:42 PM (1VFvU)

79 If you held my family member in false imprisonment for one hour, you would be hoping for a fine. I don't see this as excessive at all. I see it as rightly punitive. Hopefully they will think twice next time.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2023 03:43 PM (ATSTk)

80 well at least that's one really big middle finger to the MIC

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:43 PM (1VFvU)

81 43 How long long will the appeals take? Ten, maybe fifteen years?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 03:35 PM (BdMk6)

After this verdict, any normal business would settle for about 10-20% of the verdict with an NDA.

It's in the plaintiffs interest to get certain money quickly, and it's in the defense's interest, now that it sees how folks feel about their defense.

This is the type of verdict that is knocked down on appeal, with that appeal taking forever, so unless it's not about the money, I'd expect a settlement within the year.

Posted by: Nova Local at November 09, 2023 03:43 PM (exHjb)

82 After Kung Flu Freakout only the densest could not come to the conclusion that the medical industrial complex is not bas evil.
Of those that do see it, half agree with things the MIC pushes.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 09, 2023 03:43 PM (cOq4q)

83 No skin off our nose. Do you know how easy it is to claim an extra $220 million in insurance billings?

Posted by: Johns Hopkins at November 09, 2023 03:44 PM (HjfVN)

84 I am very good friends with the father's attorney who represented him during the dependency case. The "doctor" who decided that Maya was the victim of abuse is a well known over zealous maniac who does not believe a kid can get a scraped knee by falling off a bike. She is a menace. In the documentary, a bunch of people come out to describe how that "doctor" had ruined their lives. One of them, John Stewart, was a Marine veteran with a Masters degree, because of that "doctor" he had a murder charge held over him for years, lost teeth, was in and out of jail, all so that one day the case could be dropped. DCF = destroying children and families.

Posted by: seaniep at November 09, 2023 03:44 PM (4t/F4)

85 I don't see this as excessive at all. I see it as rightly punitive. Hopefully they will think twice next time.

I kept waiting for this at a nursing home during Covid.

Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 03:44 PM (Z9msI)

86 The air we breathe is over 70% nitrogen.
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Class M planet.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 09, 2023 03:44 PM (krqg6)

87 "The nurse was found guilty of battery for kissing Maya and placing her on her lap...what??
Posted by: kallisto"

I think, legally speaking, "battery" is physical contact

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (4vAwW)

88 81 43 How long long will the appeals take? Ten, maybe fifteen years?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 03:35 PM (BdMk6)

After this verdict, any normal business would settle for about 10-20% of the verdict with an NDA.

It's in the plaintiffs interest to get certain money quickly, and it's in the defense's interest, now that it sees how folks feel about their defense.

This is the type of verdict that is knocked down on appeal, with that appeal taking forever, so unless it's not about the money, I'd expect a settlement within the year.

Posted by: Nova Local at November 09, 2023 03:43 PM (exHjb)

What they did lead to the mom's death. It's not just about the money. They should be made to pay, each and every one of those involved in this travesty. There should be jail time for those involved. The Hospital should be put under strict scrutiny.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (ynpvh)

89 Why do you hate me?

How much time do ya' got ?

Andrew Lloyd Webber once asked Alan Jay Lerner, "Why do people take an instant dislike to me?"

Lerner responded, "Saves time."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (JrojV)

90 Other Medical News-
A critically ill eight-month-old baby has been granted Italian citizenship, after the Court of Appeal dismissed the family's bid to overturn a ruling that meant she could not travel abroad for treatment.

Indi Gregory was born in February with mitochondrial disease, a genetic condition that saps energy.

Dean Gregory and Claire Staniforth, Indi's parents, have continually fought to overturn multiple rulings by UK courts to keep their daughter on life-support.

On Saturday, the couple lost an appeal to overturn a ruling by Mr Justice Peel, who had concluded that it would not be in Indi's best interests to travel to Bambino Gesu Paediatric Hospital in Rome.

Lady Justice King and Lord Justice Peter Jackson concluded that Indi's parents did not have an arguable case.

https://tinyurl.com/e3y275su (Sky News)

I doubt the Brit courts will let this new Italian citizen leave for her new home country. What if she makes a recovery (admittedly, very small chance)? That would prove them wrong, and that is intolerable.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (fs1hN)

91 Can't wait for the cases where the child is convinced by a (lunatic) teacher that they need to transition, and convinced to keep it secret from the parent.

Or parent refuses and the state takes the child from the parent, starts doing surgeries.

Destroy the kid's life forever, blame the parent ... parent and child could both sue?

Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (Cus5s)

92 no ace it wasn't just three days there was also an imprisonment charge for January, I forget which year

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (1VFvU)

93 I think it was more like 3 months, not 3 days. I've seen "87 days" where her mother was kept away.

One article here: https://tinyurl.com/27ep448r

Posted by: MartynWW at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (RSV27)

94 83 No skin off our nose. Do you know how easy it is to claim an extra $220 million in insurance billings?
Posted by: Johns Hopkins at November 09, 2023 03:44 PM

We'll just publish a report on a new strain of COVID, and all the covidians will rush in for their 10th booster. We'll have it paid for within a week.

Posted by: John's Hopkins Budget Staff at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (JCZqz)

95 Is that what they call it now? Beware medical conditions that change their names every few years. This one used to be Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy.

Posted by: Orson at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (dIske)

96 When our youngest son was three, he was holding onto our German Shepherd when the dog ran down our stairs taking him with him and breaking his collarbone. We had the third degree at the ER. I get it.

Posted by: Archer at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (gmo/4)

97 The "doctor" who decided that Maya was the victim of abuse is a well known over zealous maniac who does not believe a kid can get a scraped knee by falling off a bike.

Come, now. I'n sure she does good stuff too. Lets have "perspective".

Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (Z9msI)

98 Go look a formerly great health institutions like the Cleveland Clinic. They've sanitized all their language into the Genderless Dialect. Things like "assigned female at birth" and other nonsense. These are suppose to be people schooled in science and biology. They are nothing but footsoldiers for the liberals anti-societal agenda.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (ATSTk)

99 Did workers comp law for 25+ years. CRPS, formerly known as RSD is a dx with a bunch of symptoms but the specific cause is a mystery. I think the med establishment sucks but there are a lot of people that claim this condition and they are either mentally unwell or have a secondary reason. Here the hospital alleged that the mother was making it all up due to Munchausen, another tricky dx. This is an example where bad cases make bad law

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (9z+cX)

100 Johns Hopkins is trying to deep pockets away from their liability running up the bill for her to collect.

The left is very organized in their litigatory predation and the right should be playing the game just as hard.

Not politicizing this other than noting that Hopkins like a lot of corporate medical institutions is a thing of the left and as such any right leaning person who gets a righteous opportunity to work against them should.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (X0I7i)

101 That sounded suspiciously like a Queensryche lyric.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:41 PM

Why do you hate me?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:42 PM (Zz0t1)

Reminded me of this song:

Https://youtu.be/awSY_V3tJhA?feature=shared

Eyes of a Stranger

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (ufFY8)

102 "The nurse was found guilty of battery for kissing Maya and placing her on her lap...what??
Posted by: kallisto"

I think, legally speaking, "battery" is physical contact

-

I'm borderline okay with this.

These same people have actively damaged society by insisting that girls aren't, and that no one can know the pronouns of the people they're talking to since the last time they saw them two hours ago, so yeah, you can't do that to children.

Enjoy.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (Kt1w/)

103 Well, when your kid has been taken away for 87 days, and you are threatened with criminal child abuse charges, I can see being despondent and suicidal.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

Suicide never solves anything.

Homicide, on the other hand...

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (iOTJP)

104 The "doctor" who decided that Maya was the victim of abuse is a well known over zealous maniac who does not believe a kid can get a scraped knee by falling off a bike.

Well, then a Queensrÿche lyric should come to fruition for her.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:47 PM (Zz0t1)

105 My bet is judge vacates the ruling or limits it to $2 million.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 09, 2023 03:47 PM (17s+e)

106 What I find most interesting, or telling if you will, is the verdict.. the jury was not sold by the hospital’s defense. Big Medicine may have fallen on hard times..

Posted by: tubal at November 09, 2023 03:47 PM (PCK5/)

107 Also follow the money. How much money did All Children's get for each child they took into custody?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:47 PM (ynpvh)

108 That would prove them wrong, and that is intolerable.

our medical and other expert community in a nutshell

lots of dark triads out there

I have a theory as to why

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:47 PM (AcWfM)

109
Suicide never solves anything.

Homicide, on the other hand...
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (iOTJP)

God knows there's a difference between killing and murder.

Some just need killing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:47 PM (Zz0t1)

110 I don't know anything about this case either. Never heard of it.

But the medical system has devolved into such a racket in recent years, it probably needs a shock like this to prove that it can be held liable for abusing its power.

Posted by: Dr. T at November 09, 2023 03:47 PM (bhRsz)

111
What they did lead to the mom's death. It's not just about the money. They should be made to pay, each and every one of those involved in this travesty. There should be jail time for those involved. The Hospital should be put under strict scrutiny.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (ynpvh)

You can't get jail time in a civil decision. Florida can now decide to bring charges, but as someone said above, some things are out of the time limit (b/c FL ain't VA for felonies) and some are too tenuous a link to prove...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 09, 2023 03:48 PM (exHjb)

112 Maya was involuntarily removed from her parents' care after the hospital reported the parents for suspected child abuse, a judge ordered Maya into state protective custody, and her mother committed suicide 87 days later.

It wasn't just three days of false imprisonment, what the hospital did was fairly outrageous. Not only did the hospital ignore that DCF found there was no child abuse, the hospital ignored the prior medical treatment given to Maya, and the hospital started up a new treatment program which involved weaning her off her pain meds, thus leaving her in significant pain.

This is pretty much a story of experts deciding that, no, this child did not have that disease and the parents, the mother in particular, were liars. The hospital staff simply refused to accept that this child was not being abused.

Oh, the hospital also stripped the then 10 year old down to her underwear and training bra and took pictures without either parental consent or a court order and they put her in a room with covert surveillance for 48 hours.

Also, it appears that $211 million amount is before punitive damages. That amount is going to go up significantly.

Posted by: kderien at November 09, 2023 03:48 PM (GbPPJ)

113
Reminded me of this song:

Https://youtu.be/awSY_V3tJhA?feature=shared

Eyes of a Stranger
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM

Dr. Davis, telephone please.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:48 PM (Zz0t1)

114 Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM (4vAwW)p.i]

Putting a ten year old girl on your lap and playing kissy face is just wrong, statutorily I'd have thought it was sexual battery. But at least they got the pigs on something.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:48 PM (1VFvU)

115 Suicide never solves anything.

Homicide, on the other hand...

agree! this was clearly not an Italian mother

I was just thinking of my little friend Anthony earlier .. how nice it would be to see him!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:48 PM (AcWfM)

116 87 "The nurse was found guilty of battery for kissing Maya and placing her on her lap...what??
Posted by: kallisto"

I think, legally speaking, "battery" is physical contact
Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM

Without knowing all the details, I almost feel bad here. I can see a good nurse, worried about a little girl, trying to hold and comfort her through a stressful time. But, the Left has made it clear this is wrong #me too, so fuck 'em. Burn it all down. Minors can't consent, a kiss is sexual, so fuck you, pay me.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 09, 2023 03:49 PM (JCZqz)

117 99 Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (9z+cX)

I had a lot more sympathy for the medical profession prior to their deciding during CUOMO19 that racism somehow was an acceptable doctors' note for gatherings that other people were restricted from.

Add in the new and improved child sex mutilation and the medically aberred burgeoning kidnap industry whereby the state takes kids because you do not want them making irreversible decisions and yeah bro "no" no....

no sympathy, if doctors want to doctor great and if they want to save and fix the world "no."

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 03:49 PM (X0I7i)

118 99 Did workers comp law for 25+ years. CRPS, formerly known as RSD is a dx with a bunch of symptoms but the specific cause is a mystery. I think the med establishment sucks but there are a lot of people that claim this condition and they are either mentally unwell or have a secondary reason. Here the hospital alleged that the mother was making it all up due to Munchausen, another tricky dx. This is an example where bad cases make bad law
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (9z+cX)

I know nothing about CRPS, but it sounds suspiciousy similar to a lot of the auto-immune diseases that seem to have popped up over the last 30 or 40 years. I've known enough sufferers of those personally that I don't oubt they exist; but I wonder what it is that is behind all of this. I have my suspicions, which cannot be proven. yet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2023 03:49 PM (i9ffA)

119 What's the difference between complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) and Rheumatoid Arthritis?

Genuinely curious. Daughter has RA. Bad.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 09, 2023 03:49 PM (Q4IgG)

120 I think, legally speaking, "battery" is physical contact

Yes. "Assault" is the threat of harm, "battery" is the actual contact.

You can have either one without the other.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:49 PM (JrojV)

121 Andrew Lloyd Webber once asked Alan Jay Lerner, "Why do people take an instant dislike to me?"
Lerner responded, "Saves time."

Priceless.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (V8he0)

122 I believe the 3 days was confinement while they tried to prove that Maya wasn't really ill. Filming her to catch her being able to walk and show it was a sham caused by mom's interference. She was taken away from her family for an extended period of time. The main instigator here was a social worker named Cathi Bedy. This wasn't her first abuse of a child and the kids family. The family is I believe suing her in a civil trial.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (2NHgQ)

123 85
I kept waiting for this at a nursing home during Covid.
Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 03:44 PM (Z9msI)

You and me both. You and me both.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (N39Ws)

124 116 Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 09, 2023 03:49 PM (JCZqz)

Quite "but Sven there are good men and women in the medical field who are not on board with the lunacies!"

Yup there are, and like a lot of fields they sat mute as the crazies took over the trade assosciations.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (X0I7i)

125 Meh, insurance will pick up the tab. We can always pad the billing to make up any additional costs.

Posted by: Johns Hopkins at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (XeU6L)

126 Dr. Mengele nods his approval to the fine doctors as John Hopkins childrens hospital.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (17s+e)

127 120 I think, legally speaking, "battery" is physical contact

Yes. "Assault" is the threat of harm, "battery" is the actual contact.

You can have either one without the other.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:49 PM (JrojV)

My son left a AA on the table and the salt shaker spilled on it; it was a salted battery.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (ynpvh)

128 John Hopkins?

Oh yeah the vile pedophile Dr. John Money worked there.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (CW5Z7)

129 We might like the idea of John Hopkins being burned, financially, but is US who will pay the tab, in the end.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (XeU6L)

130 Joe Manchin has decided not to run in 2024. There are reports he'll become president of WVU.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (I/Qkd)

131
I think it was Fiorello LaGuardia who said the worst home was better than the best orphanage.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (MoZTd)

132 "The nurse was found guilty of battery for kissing Maya and placing her on her lap...what??
Posted by: kallisto"

I think, legally speaking, "battery" is physical contact
Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 09, 2023 03:45 PM

Without knowing all the details, I almost feel bad here. I can see a good nurse, worried about a little girl, trying to hold and comfort her through a stressful time. But, the Left has made it clear this is wrong #me too, so fuck 'em. Burn it all down. Minors can't consent, a kiss is sexual, so fuck you, pay me.
Posted by: Moron Analyst

Now do a male nurse and male boy.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (iOTJP)

133 But they are spot-on 100% accurate, never wrong after a 15 minute consultation to start prescribing sterilization drugs, I mean, puberty blockers.

I'd say sell your hospital stock.

But the reality is, they'll just raise taxes to cover the upcoming verdicts.
And free health care for illegals.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (//2Pb)

134 Just telling y'all from my experience in the medical profession; medicine is not doctors making decisions on your health. The main players in America's health system are the government, marketing departments, and HR/social workers.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (BdMk6)

135 The Medical Industrial Complex takes it in the shorts once again. More please.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (l10hq)

136 Johns Hopkins has been tarnished of late by another matter, I believe..

Posted by: tubal at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (PCK5/)

137 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:46 PM (Kt1w/)

I think my comment was misread. i was expressing shock that the hospital staff was sexually molesting the poor kid. That's why these p3do freaks are kidnapping the kids. They took pics of her in her underwear. Why? Because they can get money for that shit on the dark web.
probably some subhuman degenerates out there who are kinky about medically kidnapped children.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (1VFvU)

138
Now do a male nurse and male boy.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (iOTJP)

DO go on.......

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (Zz0t1)

139 O/T

Former Baltimore States Attorney Marilyn Mosby's Jury verdict due to be read at 4:00.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (hH3Px)

140 But the reality is, they'll just raise taxes to cover the upcoming verdicts.

huh?

it may be a non-prof but it's not a govt institution

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (AcWfM)

141 My son left a AA on the table and the salt shaker spilled on it; it was a salted battery.

Careful. People will start jumping all over you for puns like that.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (JrojV)

142
Former Baltimore States Attorney Marilyn Mosby's Jury verdict due to be read at 4:00.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (hH3Px)

If she's not being tried for murder and the death penalty is on the table, it's not enough and I really don't care.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)

143 The jury has not yet decided on punitive damages and reports indicate that it may hit one billion bucks.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2023 03:32 PM (jm34Q)

Imagine if the verdict gets upheld. Wowser, what a payday for that law firm.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (mj0Qp)

144 139 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (hH3Px)

DA Zombie Michael Jackson Marilyn Mosby....

"not guilty because wayciss yo'honah!"

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (X0I7i)

145 My son left a AA on the table and the salt shaker spilled on it; it was a salted battery.

Careful. People will start jumping all over you for puns like that.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (JrojV)

Keep it up and you'll be discharged from the blog.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)

146 @119 with rheumatoid arthritis their are specific tests which can show increases of certain substances in the blood. CRPS is simply a bunch of symptoms, like a limb having cold skin, hair loss or a shininess to the skin and almost constant pain. There are no tests which can prove or disprove it's existence. At least that was the state in 2016. Haven't kept up lately

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (9z+cX)

147 . The main players in America's health system are the

government, marketing departments, and HR/social workers.

and sexual deviants.

https://tinyurl.com/yekpr4cu

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (1VFvU)

148 140 Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (AcWfM)

Hopkins is too big to fail, they will either get bailed out or taken over.

A shame too, they have some of the best staff I have ever dealt with.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (X0I7i)

149 My son left a AA on the table and the salt shaker spilled on it; it was a salted battery.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (ynpvh)

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Are you off of your Lithium again, jim?

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (/8MUi)

150 We might like the idea of John Hopkins being burned, financially, but is US who will pay the tab, in the end.

Checking my field of fucks. Well damn, still barren. I'm way past caring about the latest republican reason why the only logical action is inaction.

Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (Z9msI)

151 Just telling y'all from my experience in the medical profession; medicine is not doctors making decisions on your health. The main players in America's health system are the government, marketing departments, and HR/social workers.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

--

As someone with no connection to the field, I have long assumed that was the entire point of Obamacare.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (Kt1w/)

152
Putting a ten year old girl on your lap and playing kissy face is just wrong, statutorily I'd have thought it was sexual battery.
-----

Wait...this is wrong?

Posted by: Joey Biden at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (XeU6L)

153 My son left a AA on the table and the salt shaker spilled on it; it was a salted battery.

Careful. People will start jumping all over you for puns like that.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (JrojV)

Keep it up and you'll be discharged from the blog.

I'd rather just be grounded.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:55 PM (JrojV)

154 Mistakes were made. We are having training to correct them.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 09, 2023 03:55 PM (17s+e)

155

I'd rather just be grounded.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:55 PM (JrojV)

No reason to get so amped up about it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)

156 Here's an article in Teen Vogue about how the evil DeSantis has chased all the poor little wokesters away from New College, and they're migrating to a failing college in New England, because this means they're owning him somehow.

The article is worth a read just to see how hysterical the people at TV are. They employ every possible trope and cliche, while the "students" come across as a bunch of potty-mouthed babies who got their first taste of reality, and don't like it. It'll put a grin on your face.

https://tinyurl.com/4hhwtt3r

Posted by: Archimedes at November 09, 2023 03:55 PM (I/Qkd)

157 146 @119 with rheumatoid arthritis their are specific tests which can show increases of certain substances in the blood. CRPS is simply a bunch of symptoms, like a limb having cold skin, hair loss or a shininess to the skin and almost constant pain. There are no tests which can prove or disprove it's existence. At least that was the state in 2016. Haven't kept up lately

yes and btw there are also types of arthritis that don't show the RA markers in testing (osteo). some people get that dx just b/c they have pain everywhere and no RA flag in their blood. so I can't see why this little girl couldn't have a form of arthritis that just doesn't show on that one test!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:56 PM (AcWfM)

158 I think my comment was misread. i was expressing shock that the hospital staff was sexually molesting the poor kid. That's why these p3do freaks are kidnapping the kids. They took pics of her in her underwear. Why? Because they can get money for that shit on the dark web.
probably some subhuman degenerates out there who are kinky about medically kidnapped children.

Posted by: kallisto

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This is terrible to ponder and I can't say I disagree in the slightest.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:56 PM (Kt1w/)

159 Meh, insurance will pick up the tab. We can always pad the billing to make up any additional costs.
Posted by: Johns Hopkins

If we didn't live in a neo-fascist present, the ins. co's would jack up your premiums and slash the coverage with a shit-ton of new exemptions.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 09, 2023 03:56 PM (IG4Id)

160 The main players in America's health system are the

government, marketing departments, and HR/social workers.

and sexual deviants.
==

No need to repeat yourself.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 09, 2023 03:56 PM (17s+e)

161 I'd rather just be grounded.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:55 PM (JrojV)

No reason to get so amped up about it.

Actually, I'm trying to meditate to calm down: "Ohm..."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:56 PM (JrojV)

162 141 My son left a AA on the table and the salt shaker spilled on it; it was a salted battery.

Careful. People will start jumping all over you for puns like that.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (JrojV)

I didn't expect to be peppered by remarks...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:56 PM (ynpvh)

163 A shame too, they have some of the best staff I have ever dealt with.

it's a big place

that was not my experience there

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:57 PM (AcWfM)

164 Just telling y'all from my experience in the medical profession; medicine is not doctors making decisions on your health. The main players in America's health system are the government, marketing departments, and HR/social workers.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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I keep hyping the book 'An American Sickness', Rosenthal. It is a real eye opener. It ain't about healthcare anymore, it is about profit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2023 03:57 PM (XeU6L)

165 138
Now do a male nurse and male boy.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (iOTJP)

DO go on.......
Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM

Squeee! So hot.

Posted by: Dylan Mulvaney at November 09, 2023 03:57 PM (JCZqz)

166 Putting a ten year old girl on your lap and playing kissy face is just wrong, statutorily I'd have thought it was sexual battery.
-----

Wait...this is wrong?
Posted by: Joey Biden'

"Also, is this wrong?"
- Drunk mall Santa who may or may not even be male

Posted by: LenNeal at November 09, 2023 03:57 PM (Pnrsc)

167 Why is the STATE not a co defendant? As it was THEIR order that let the Hospital do this?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2023 03:57 PM (xaFKb)

168 Good grief, the defense is trying play the feelz card bringing up children with cancer.

LOL

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:57 PM (ufFY8)

169 My son left a AA on the table and the salt shaker spilled on it; it was a salted battery.

Careful. People will start jumping all over you for puns like that.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:53 PM (JrojV)

I didn't expect to be peppered by remarks...

I just didn't want to sugar-coat it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (JrojV)

170
The article is worth a read just to see how hysterical the people at TV are. They employ every possible trope and cliche, while the "students" come across as a bunch of potty-mouthed babies who got their first taste of reality, and don't like it. It'll put a grin on your face.

https://tinyurl.com/4hhwtt3r
Posted by: Archimedes at November 09, 2023 03:55 PM (I/Qkd)

TL;DR

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (Zz0t1)

171 I watched the documentary. It was heartbreaking. The family went before a judge numerous times. The last time the mother asked if she could just hug her daughter. The judge said no. She went home and hung herself. They broke her.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (iF0sF)

172 I don't think Hop is too big to fail btw

in the next decade or so we'll see a lot of paper tigers fall

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (AcWfM)

173 It doesn't seem to me that someone can be guilty of another person's suicide. But I am not a lawyer.

Posted by: m at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (ASp1y)

174 I'd rather just be grounded.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 03:55 PM (JrojV)

No reason to get so amped up about it.

Actually, I'm trying to meditate to calm down: "Ohm..."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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I am reluctant to take part in this.

Posted by: An Inductor at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (XeU6L)

175 O/T

Former Baltimore States Attorney Marilyn Mosby's Jury verdict due to be read at 4:00.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (hH3Px)

***

Maybe she can do home detention at one of her vacation homes in FL.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (ZV+pB)

176 171 I watched the documentary. It was heartbreaking. The family went before a judge numerous times. The last time the mother asked if she could just hug her daughter. The judge said no. She went home and hung herself. They broke her.

Jesus.

That was their intent. To break her.

Demons.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (AcWfM)

177 Remember how doctors were greedy sawbones, chopping off limbs merely for profit?

No less an authority than Obama repeatedly stated that truth.

Then, remember when doctors were all telling us to get Covid shots because they care about our health?

Weird.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (//2Pb)

178 Putting a ten year old girl on your lap and playing kissy face is just wrong, statutorily I'd have thought it was sexual battery.
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Wait...this is wrong?
Posted by: Joey Biden at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM

As long as hair sniffing and playing "hide the salami" is still okay...

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (JCZqz)

179 Maya was asking all day long if her mom had called her, and the demonic staff told her no, when in actuality Beata was calling every hour on the hour.

Beata was a devout Catholic, she must have been driven right out of her mind to commit suicide. Poor lady.

At the reading of the verdict Maya was holding a rosary.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (1VFvU)

180 Meh, insurance will pick up the tab. We can always pad the billing to make up any additional costs.
Posted by: Johns Hopkins

Insurance was just brought up in front of the jury.
Judge told them to disregard that, and insurance does NIT cover punitive damages.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (ufFY8)

181 Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (9z+cX)

It used to be called Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy. My experience with it was handling WC claims where the syndrome would manifest itself after a very minor injury to one of the extremities . In my cases it was always with a worker that had some psychological issue .

Posted by: Drive by at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (MZsCp)

182 Just telling y'all from my experience in the medical profession; medicine is not doctors making decisions on your health. The main players in America's health system are the government, marketing departments, and HR/social workers.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 03:52 PM (BdMk6)

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Hardly a day goes by anymore where I don't lament to someone that DogEater completely destroyed the American healthcare and health insurance systems.

It was only a matter of time though once I saw the socialism of the HMOs arise ... and Hillary was trying to make DeathCare the standard before it was cool.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (/8MUi)

183 Wow.

From that link:

"Libby Harrity does not like the cold. The 20-year-old college senior — who uses all pronouns interchangeably — mentions their disdain for winter weather from her dorm room at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, when we first meet over FaceTime."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (Kt1w/)

184 Good. I hope they go bankrupt. I've heard other terrible stories about Johns Hopkins.

Posted by: Ordinary American at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (qxUPJ)

185 Once again - WE should be the final arbiter of our children's care and medical decisions. Certainly, let's consult with the medical community for advice - but that's it.

Advice.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (WSTFK)

186 yes and btw there are also types of arthritis that don't show the RA markers in testing (osteo). some people get that dx just b/c they have pain everywhere and no RA flag in their blood. so I can't see why this little girl couldn't have a form of arthritis that just doesn't show on that one test!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:56 PM (AcWfM)

That's my understanding as well, this is the diagnosis for someone with a pain syndrome that doesn't fit neatly into other categories.

Posted by: kderien at November 09, 2023 04:00 PM (GbPPJ)

187 It doesn't seem to me that someone can be guilty of another person's suicide. But I am not a lawyer.

There was that case several years ago where a young woman was on civil trial for encouraging her boyfriend to commit suicide, which he eventually did. I think she was found not liable for his death, but I don't recall exactly.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 04:00 PM (JrojV)

188 Less than three months and the mother gave up?

Posted by: Drive by at November 09, 2023 04:00 PM (MZsCp)

189 163 Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:57 PM (AcWfM)

One of the most gifted OB/GYNs my wife ever met was there, made a diagnosis in 25 minutes with an ultrasound it took DOD 7 years and 12 tests to confirm.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:00 PM (X0I7i)

190 these punitive damages are not going to stop the demonic brigade in the medical profession. These bastids need to be strung up by their ankles and left there til they croak.

Maybe then those who follow them in the healing professions will get their minds right.

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 04:00 PM (1VFvU)

191 42 I'm not saying it should happen, but imagine if the ruling came with the option of Maya picking out one of the doctors wives or mothers and saying "Her."
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Truly Mayan Justice.

I like it.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 09, 2023 04:01 PM (krqg6)

192 I know nothing about this case, but I applaud any opportunity to slap down those in the medical industry who have a God-complex. There are many and they do real damage…. Look at all the medical “gods” running around ruining people’s lives during covid…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 09, 2023 04:01 PM (xT8gx)

193 I had a cousin who worked mall management and part of his job was to contract for Mall Santas in California and holy shit did he have stories. At least three of his seasonal Santas were women, and when the lights got on them would routinely pass out.
Little kids would sit on their laps and the heat would overwhelm them and they'd slump over.
The criteria were 'bigger' so it led to obvious physical problems and then with the lights and the heat, well...

Some 5-year old getting off the lap yelling, "Mommy! I think Santa is a WOMAN!"

Posted by: LenNeal at November 09, 2023 04:01 PM (Pnrsc)

194 Remember how doctors were greedy sawbones, chopping off limbs merely for profit?

That's been the legacy of the last half of the 20th century - this unquestioning trust in various experts. It simply used to not be that way. We will be so much better off when it stops.

People continue to bemoan the loss of our "high trust society". I say good riddance.

Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 04:01 PM (Z9msI)

195 If you are interested in this case, read up on Sally Smith. She seems like a villain

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 09, 2023 04:01 PM (NtVYv)

196 I think this is s good precedent for parents right ls against medical "authorities "
My prayers for the mom

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 09, 2023 04:01 PM (EGSGm)

197 I'm sure Johns Hopkins has some great doctors, alongside these ghouls. But a verdict that actually destroyed the entire institution would be desirable here. This won't do it, sadly. But I wish it would. I wish it were a $500 trillion dollar verdict that JH simply couldn't recover from.

I want something malpractice attorneys can point to in hospital board rooms. "This was the world's premiere research hospital. The operative word being 'was.' If you abuse the rights of child patients or their parents, this could be YOU.'"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 09, 2023 04:02 PM (0FoWg)

198 I watched the documentary. It was heartbreaking. The family went before a judge numerous times. The last time the mother asked if she could just hug her daughter. The judge said no. She went home and hung herself. They broke her.

Jesus.

That was their intent. To break her.

Demons.
Posted by: BlackOrchid

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Same as the nursing homes and hospitals during COVID.

Staff and admin knows that even the good folks can only do so much, and friends and family help out tremendously by coming in and seeing what's happening, helping the parent or loved one eat, get cleaned up, etc.

They WANTED people to die from loneliness and neglect. Don't look away. You know it's true. You watched it happen.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 04:02 PM (Kt1w/)

199 176 171 I watched the documentary. It was heartbreaking. The family went before a judge numerous times. The last time the mother asked if she could just hug her daughter. The judge said no. She went home and hung herself. They broke her.

Jesus.

That was their intent. To break her.

Demons.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 03:58 PM (AcWfM)

And the Judge walks off free? We have a serious problem with our Judicial system.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2023 04:02 PM (xaFKb)

200
I am reluctant to take part in this.
Posted by: An Inductor'

You can, and you will.

Posted by: The Induction Institute at November 09, 2023 04:02 PM (Pnrsc)

201 147 . The main players in America's health system are the

government, marketing departments, and HR/social workers.

and sexual deviants.

https://tinyurl.com/yekpr4cu

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 03:54 PM (1VFvU)

Don't forget insurance companies, medical license boards, med schools, ....

Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2023 04:02 PM (Sf2cq)

202 Judge told them to disregard that, and insurance does NIT cover punitive damages.

I like this judge

had um, a child of mine in a study down there. I had to participate as well in the study. I yanked him out of that SO FREAKING FAST. nothing we'd initially agreed to turned out to be the case. they were over-testing and just being very strange, almost torturous in the act of testing (more than what was outlined). Hop creeps me out. you can just sense the nasty vibes there. never felt that at CHOP (which has it's own problems!). this was 15 years ago, the children's hospital I don't know. I don't want to get into it. total mistake on my part.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 04:02 PM (AcWfM)

203 199 Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2023 04:02 PM (xaFKb)

Soverign immunity is the ultimate barrier to correction, and must be ended.

Period.

That neither party runs on it shows it is needed.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:03 PM (X0I7i)

204 Ace, from People magazine: A Shocking Accusation of Munchausen by Proxy Leads to a Mom’s Death by Suicide: 'I Want Justice' (Exclusive), June '23

In part, After more than 87 days without her daughter, Beata died by suicide in January of 2017, at the age of 43. “I’m sorry,” she wrote in an email discovered after her death, “but I no longer can take the pain being away from Maya and being treated like a criminal. I cannot watch my daughter suffer in pain and keep getting worse.”

Mother had been trained as a registered nurse.

IDK

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 09, 2023 04:04 PM (GshMh)

205 I am reluctant to take part in this.
Posted by: An Inductor'

You can, and you will.

What if he's incapacitorated?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 04:04 PM (JrojV)

206 I won a big discrimination case against a landlord back in 2015. Waiting for the jury to file in and then have the verdict read was excruciating. I was mentally prepared to lose everything but the victory was wonderful. What must have been going through this girl's mind while waiting.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 09, 2023 04:04 PM (KAi1n)

207 "Libby Harrity does not like the cold. The 20-year-old college senior — who uses all pronouns interchangeably — mentions their disdain for winter weather from her dorm room at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, when we first meet over FaceTime."
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (Kt1w/)

HahhahahaHAHAHAhAHHAHHAhahaHAhAHhAAHA

Posted by: Agent Johnson to Agent Johnson at November 09, 2023 04:04 PM (N1DT3)

208 Great comments, all cool... BUT...

The hospital is gonna lose. DESERVES to lose. And should actually have to pay more. See, the salient fact in this case...

They BILLED some $500K + for treatment of the EXACT condition they accused the mother of Munchausen by Proxy for seeking treatment.

Yeah... They are TOAST. And should be.

Posted by: FOMSG at November 09, 2023 04:04 PM (7N8u1)

209 Manchin's announcement not to seek reelection:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IS5vewWsaM

Posted by: Archimedes at November 09, 2023 04:04 PM (I/Qkd)

210 Uggg... forgot the sock.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 09, 2023 04:05 PM (N1DT3)

211 187 There was that case several years ago where a young woman was on civil trial for encouraging her boyfriend to commit suicide, which he eventually did. I think she was found not liable for his death, but I don't recall exactly.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2023 04:00 PM (JrojV)

I remember that, too, and I also forget the outcome.

Posted by: m at November 09, 2023 04:05 PM (ASp1y)

212 Over testing just allows massive billing.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 04:05 PM (ufFY8)

213 Judge just asked the jury if THEY have questions!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 04:05 PM (ufFY8)

214 People continue to bemoan the loss of our "high trust society". I say good riddance.
Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 04:01 PM (Z9msI)

It's not trust in experts that makes a "high-trust" society, and it's a BIG DEAL when it finally dies.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 09, 2023 04:06 PM (N1DT3)

215 Following up to #85 above, wouldn't it be nice to see Grandma and Grandpa get justice for being imprisoned in nursing facilities during COVID. Seeing the pain on their faces because all they want to do is hug their spouse, child or grandchild one more time. Personally, I will forever be haunted by this sight.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 09, 2023 04:06 PM (N39Ws)

216 And just like that...here come the puns!

Posted by: Forrest Grump at November 09, 2023 04:06 PM (V8he0)

217 And the Judge walks off free? We have a serious problem with our Judicial system.

I hope his conscience doesn't let him have a moments peace.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at November 09, 2023 04:06 PM (iF0sF)

218 And the Judge walks off free? We have a serious problem with our Judicial system.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 09, 2023 04:02 PM (xaFKb)

I AM THE LAW

Posted by: Honestly every Judge at November 09, 2023 04:06 PM (N1DT3)

219 They WANTED people to die from loneliness and neglect. Don't look away. You know it's true. You watched it happen.

I will never forget.

Remember seeing staff sending off (selling?!?!) crates of masks and other PPO materials from nursing home parking lots? remember that? things that were needed in the facility, getting sold off

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2023 04:07 PM (AcWfM)

220 Hospital: We're taking your daughter away for a long time, removing the medicine that controls her pain. Also, grief and despair will cause your wife to commit suicide. But hey, we're only human so don't blame us.

Me: I'm too busy scoping out the nearest nest of fire ants. Please hold these ropes, stakes and honey while I look. Shouldn't take long.

Posted by: Physics Geek at November 09, 2023 04:07 PM (CaTb6)

221 Joe Manchin has decided not to run in 2024. There are reports he'll become president of WVU.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 09, 2023 03:51 PM (I/Qkd)

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IIRC, TJM has been predicting that he wouldn't run again.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 09, 2023 04:07 PM (4XzUP)

222 I will keep mentioning Dr John Money because in the 1960s he decided he was god and emotionally screwed up two little boys with his gender theories, forcing them to role-play, and telling the world his theories were right so he could make money.

Both boys killed themselves as adults.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2023 04:07 PM (CW5Z7)

223 I hope his conscience doesn't let him have a moments peace.
Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at November 09, 2023 04:06 PM (iF0sF)

Those are surgically removed when you sign up for the Bar Exam.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 09, 2023 04:07 PM (N1DT3)

224 Over testing just allows massive billing.

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Yep. Same as "you'll need a referral", because I need to pay my doctor $200 to send you - the person I'm talking to right now about my problem - an email telling you that you should also charge me $200 to talk to me about my problem.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 04:08 PM (Kt1w/)

225 The one thing I'll give 2nd World medical 'care' is they don't play games. It's all broken bones and bullet holes. I literally cannot imagine a scenario where some Mexican goes to the Mexican Navy Clinic where I am now and whines about being 'sad'.

I've had to go to these kinds of places and if you are really, for real, hurting they will patch you up and hopefully you don't go septic but hand-holders they are not.
My experiences have not even involved X-rays. Some crabby stocky nurse practitioner grabs you and wrenches you around, you scream, yeah that's busted/shot and then they poke around and kick you out. I'm not even kidding and this happens in pharmacies in front of everybody.

Posted by: LenNeal at November 09, 2023 04:08 PM (Pnrsc)

226 And the Judge walks off free? We have a serious problem with our Judicial system.

I hope his conscience doesn't let him have a moments peace.
Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at November 09, 2023 04:06 PM (iF0sF)

If health care professionals show up and say we think it's abuse, there is not a judge on this planet that is going to disagree, especially in a state with elected judges. Why? The campaign ad against that judge writes itself.

Posted by: kderien at November 09, 2023 04:08 PM (GbPPJ)

227 Well, on the legal good news front, it seems the pistol brace ban ATF rule is thrown out in its entirety.

Just caught a MrGunsnGear YT video on it.

Posted by: Oedipus at November 09, 2023 04:08 PM (Z6vKV)

228 Saw the documentary. Munchausen's by proxy. The mother was insane, strange symptoms with no real diagnosis, weird experimental treatment, killed herself because she didn't get her own way even though the case was far from over. The girl's life was ruined by the plaintiff's lawyers looking for a big settlement.

The state and the hospital made a lot of mistakes too.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:08 PM (Tqm9i)

229 And just like that...here come the puns!
Posted by: Forrest Grump at November 09, 2023 04:06 PM (V8he0)

Well, we were talking about PUNitive damages.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 09, 2023 04:09 PM (ufFY8)

230 I will keep mentioning Dr John Money because in the 1960s he decided he was god and emotionally screwed up two little boys with his gender theories, forcing them to role-play, and telling the world his theories were right so he could make money.

Both boys killed themselves as adults.
Posted by: Anna Puma

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Is that the monster that had everything proved wrong about everything he ever did and modern Science still based their genital mutilation and p3d0 conditioning off of his work?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 04:09 PM (Kt1w/)

231 First I’ve heard of this.
3 days, 3 years, fuck whatever. Make those asshole “experts” pay.

Posted by: Montec at November 09, 2023 04:09 PM (P5BwU)

232 Taking a kid from their parents is clearly a criminal offense.

But...fine? They'll just get the money from fedgov ultimately and pay no price themselves

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2023 04:09 PM (XqcwY)

233 Well, on the legal good news front, it seems the pistol brace ban ATF rule is thrown out in its entirety.

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WHAT!

LET'S GO COMMON USE!!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 04:10 PM (Kt1w/)

234 What a mess this is. Poor girl has gone thru hell.
I'll watch the show, perhaps.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 09, 2023 04:10 PM (MeG8a)

235 228 Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:08 PM (Tqm9i)

I think it is safe to say everyone lost, like a lot of modern things.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:10 PM (X0I7i)

236 IIRC, TJM has been predicting that he wouldn't run again.
Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 09, 2023 04:07 PM (4XzUP)

umm, he ain't been the only one. Manchin committed political suicide when he signed onto that fake "inflation" bill last summer (really a green-scam bill). People had said "oh he's so smart, he can stay in the middle" and then on the most important single vote for his state, he blew it completely. What an ignorant fuckhead.

So Gov Justice will most likely be the next Senator from W Va.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 09, 2023 04:10 PM (i9ffA)

237 Moron Robbie

Pretty much.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2023 04:10 PM (CW5Z7)

238 ACE HAZ A NOOD

Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2023 04:10 PM (fwDg9)

239 I don't have an opinion on this case. It would take a lot of effort to unravel it, and I don't really trust documentaries on anything controversial (the field seems overrun with activists and ideologues). But there's sufficient evidence apart from this that the medical field, like most other American institutions, is compromised that I don't care whether justice was done in this particular verdict. "I'm sorry this is happening to you, Johns Hopkins. Best of luck."

Posted by: Wind. Whirlwind. Sowing. Reaping at November 09, 2023 04:11 PM (CjGGv)

240 First I’ve heard of this.
3 days, 3 years, fuck whatever. Make those asshole “experts” pay.
Posted by: Montec at November 09, 2023 04:09 PM (P5BwU)

Concur. Medical institutions have wildly overstepped their bounds of late. Loot one of their high temples. Make them remember they aren't actually gods.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 09, 2023 04:11 PM (0FoWg)

241 hahahaha, more from archimedes' link above:

"“They have Chick-fil-A sandwiches in the student center now,”

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 04:11 PM (Kt1w/)

242 "Jury finds Marilyn Mosby guilty of perjury"

Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2023 04:11 PM (Cus5s)

243 I AM THE LAW
Posted by: Honestly every Judge'

Props to Karl Urban for doing the entire role without seeing his face.
Based.

Posted by: LenNeal at November 09, 2023 04:11 PM (Pnrsc)

244 I forgot to mention the doctor, practicing in Mexico who put her into a ketamine coma and continued huge doses of the stuff. He looked and talked a movie version of a quack doctor - which he was, which was why he couldn't practice in the US.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:12 PM (Tqm9i)

245 Marilyn Mosby found guilty on both federal counts of purgery.

YEA!!!!!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2023 04:12 PM (hH3Px)

246 Should pedos form LLC's to take the fall for them?

"No, your honor, I was acting as an agent of Free Candy and Puppy Petting LLC at the time of little Suzanne's accidental "disappearance". She said she had her parent's permission to ride in the van, and we just lost track of time with all the, uh, "puppy" petting.
Posted by: Moron at November 09, 2023 03:39 PM (JCZqz)

You know as crazy as that sounds it just might work?

Who wants to try doing this but with college coeds? What should we name our LLC?

Posted by: Robert at November 09, 2023 04:12 PM (6M5v9)

247 239 Posted by: Wind. Whirlwind. Sowing. Reaping at November 09, 2023 04:11 PM (CjGGv)

When the medical profession along with Best Buy Target and the rest hopped on the BLM train they are dead to me.

I'll use them when I must but they have no wiggle room or social cover from me anymore.

Imply that I am part of an ongoing racist conspiracy assholes, go fuck yourselves.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:12 PM (X0I7i)

248 My super fresh medical "expert" horror story. I get a text from one of my best friends. A man I've known for over 45 years died during the night.

He started chemo for throat cancer on the 23rd of October. First course done by 26th and was on the two week break. Went into ICU on November 2nd. He had been in ICU for 6 days unconscious.

Before chemo he felt good, looked good but the expert doctors said he had to have chemo and then surgery. As far as I can see they cut off a significant part of his life by doing this. It wasn't the disease that did this. It was the expert's cure that killed him.

I am very bitter.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 09, 2023 04:13 PM (17s+e)

249 Saw the documentary. Munchausen's by proxy. The mother was insane, strange symptoms with no real diagnosis, weird experimental treatment, killed herself because she didn't get her own way even though the case was far from over. The girl's life was ruined by the plaintiff's lawyers looking for a big settlement.

The state and the hospital made a lot of mistakes too.
Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:08 PM (Tqm9i)

I am unaware of who told you that your buttocks were lovely enough for public display. They lied to you.

On the other hand, I do believe you, what with you telling me who you are.

Posted by: kderien at November 09, 2023 04:13 PM (GbPPJ)

250 245 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2023 04:12 PM (hH3Px)

This is an internal power play in the region most likely.

She was aspiring to interfere politically with the MD Federal matrix.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:13 PM (X0I7i)

251 @228 WTF?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 09, 2023 04:14 PM (pIx7m)

252 248 Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 09, 2023 04:13 PM (17s+e)

Cancer is a tricky bastard and I hate it, and chemo is the ultimate hail mary.

Sorry for your loss.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:15 PM (X0I7i)

253 Marilyn Mosby found guilty on both federal counts of purgery.

YEA!!!!!!!
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 09, 2023 04:12 PM (hH3Px)

Great. Now let's do Garland.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 04:15 PM (BdMk6)

254 OT: Dem VA Senator wants an investigation for conflict of interest over FBI decision.

Yeah, Fed Dems in VA are not happy, and that does put 2024 VA senate seat in more play...

PS - In the election with all redrawn lines, R's GAINED a senate seat and lost 3 house seats - so it was wash (particularly since the party did not do worse than the predictions and even did better with the Senate seat). I know some folks were sad we didn't go full red yet, but we're purple, but the election says we're still purple, and this FBI thing will help keep up purple with less fed influx...and we took out a Soros prosecutor in blue land, so double win...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 09, 2023 04:15 PM (exHjb)

255 Before chemo he felt good, looked good but the expert doctors said he had to have chemo and then surgery.

Kids, never forget, the doctor works for you. You don't HAVE to do anything.

Posted by: Mencken Was Right at November 09, 2023 04:15 PM (Z9msI)

256 Sadly, in my previous life as a pediatric nurse I have seen doctors, and one particular social worker, who were arrogant and entitled beyond belief. They ignored the patients and parents complaints and information they provided because they knew better or the medical books said so and were the ultimate word. Often trying to abrogate the parents decision for the best interest of the child because they knew better. Luckily we also had doctors and nurses who knew how these inhumane ghouls operated and were quick to step in an override their absolutely evil orders.

Posted by: Floridachick at November 09, 2023 04:15 PM (6fA8h)

257 Yeah I know.

Thanks Sven.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 09, 2023 04:16 PM (17s+e)

258 Everyone should watch the documentary and decide for themselves. Pay special attention to the mother. Netflix documentaries are not always accurate.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:17 PM (Tqm9i)

259 ||A man was crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it failed to differentiate him from a box of vegetables.

The victim, a robotics company worker in his 40s, was inspecting the machine’s sensor at a distribution centre for agricultural produce in South Gyeongsang in the early hours of this morning.

The machine, which was lifting boxes of peppers onto a pallet, grabbed the man with its arm and pushed him against the conveyer belt, crushing his face and chest.||

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 09, 2023 04:18 PM (krqg6)

260 258 Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:17 PM (Tqm9i)

If you can square the circle for the non-profit billing the father for the diagnosis they denied so they had a pretext to take the child I am dying to hear your solution.

No it can't be Lupus so it is Munchausen by ProxY! declaimed Doctor House.

followed later by

"send them a 500,000 dollar bill for Lupus treatment"

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:19 PM (X0I7i)

261 Posted by: kderien at November 09, 2023 04:13 PM (GbPPJ)

savage

she's probably not a social worker but plays one on TV

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 04:20 PM (1VFvU)

262 Is it reasonably foreseeable that a med mal case would lead to the patients' mothers suicide?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Totally within forseeability of John Hopkins as to besmirching the mother's name labeling her a Munchausen by proxy mother and depriving her access to her daughter.

Most likely since that is a jury finding of fact, any appeals court would look elsewhere to trim the verdict.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2023 04:20 PM (jm34Q)

263 9 ||A man was crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it failed to differentiate him from a box of vegetables.

The victim, a robotics company worker in his 40s, was inspecting the machine’s sensor at a distribution centre for agricultural produce in South Gyeongsang in the early hours of this morning.

The machine, which was lifting boxes of peppers onto a pallet, grabbed the man with its arm and pushed him against the conveyer belt, crushing his face and chest.||
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 09, 2023 04:18 PM (krqg6)

Bad, Robby. Bad bad bad!

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 04:21 PM (BdMk6)

264 Posted by: kderien at November 09, 2023 04:13 PM (GbPPJ)

Are you OK?

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:21 PM (Tqm9i)

265 127

My son left a AA on the table and the salt shaker spilled on it; it was a salted battery.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 03:50 PM (ynpvh)
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Well, that left a negative impression on me, however others may get a charge from it.

Posted by: Ciampino - He married the one with big tits ... at November 09, 2023 04:22 PM (qfLjt)

266 Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:12 PM (Tqm9i)

you sound vaaxxxed

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 04:22 PM (1VFvU)

267 "Libby Harrity does not like the cold. The 20-year-old college senior — who uses all pronouns interchangeably — mentions their disdain for winter weather from her dorm room at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, when we first meet over FaceTime."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (Kt1w/)

------------

Really, you go girl ... I mean is there anything more racist, white supremacist, AND oppressive than snow?

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 09, 2023 04:22 PM (gAw55)

268 sven at November 09, 2023 04:19 PM (X0I7i)

Not commenting on the billing. Watch the documentary and then decide for yourself.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:22 PM (Tqm9i)

269 Just telling y'all from my experience in the medical profession; medicine is not doctors making decisions on your health. The main players in America's health system are the government, marketing departments, and HR/social workers.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

Agree. I would also add Insurance Companies.

Posted by: Archer at November 09, 2023 04:23 PM (gmo/4)

270 239 I don't have an opinion on this case. It would take a lot of effort to unravel it, and I don't really trust documentaries on anything controversial (the field seems overrun with activists and ideologues). But there's sufficient evidence apart from this that the medical field, like most other American institutions, is compromised that I don't care whether justice was done in this particular verdict. "I'm sorry this is happening to you, Johns Hopkins. Best of luck."
Posted by: Wind. Whirlwind. Sowing. Reaping
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Documentaries should really be labeled docudramas as they are not by and large factual recountings but instead have an advocacy and narrative construction of heroes and villains like much of the media.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2023 04:23 PM (jm34Q)

271 The medical sector got a taste of authority during covid and has never given it up. Being heralded as saviors, heroes, whatever wasn't really a good idea.

Some in this sector haven't given up the persona of "hero" and continue to presume they legitimately have some sort of final authority on you and your medical well being.

In a word... they're sick.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 09, 2023 04:25 PM (Q4IgG)

272 268 Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:22 PM (Tqm9i)

I'll research the case at source documents and watch court testimony....

I do not watch Netflix.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:25 PM (X0I7i)

273 you sound vaaxxxed
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 04:22 PM (1VFvU)

Did you watch it? Did you see the mother's actions? Would you take your child to Mexico and have an American doctor who can't practice medicine in the US put your child into a 3-day ketamine coma?

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:25 PM (Tqm9i)

274 Agree. I would also add Insurance Companies.

Posted by: Archer at November 09, 2023 04:23 PM (gmo/4)

Since Ocare, insurance companies have pretty much been owned by the government.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 04:26 PM (BdMk6)

275 Like 2 vets sued 3M over the foam ear plugs you use in the military and they said they suffered hearing loss. These are soldiers, remember. They got awarded $58 million. For saying they suffered hearing loss. Where do I sign up for that?

Whole debacle will cost over $5 billion.
Posted by: Blago
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3M lied about the efficacy of their foam ear plugs and a jury found them guilty of that. Would you prefer that the 3M executives involved go to prison as well as the BOD for covering up misconduct?

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2023 04:27 PM (jm34Q)

276 272 268 Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:22 PM (Tqm9i)

I'll research the case at source documents and watch court testimony....

I do not watch Netflix.
Posted by: sven
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Wise, always go with the primary sources used to support a verdict.

Posted by: whig at November 09, 2023 04:28 PM (jm34Q)

277 Lol. I had my long long time primary physician discharge me and husband from her care because we wouldn't take the covid shot.

Arrogant and unscientific, not to mention tyrannical, doesn't even begin to describe these people's mindset.

Posted by: Floridachick at November 09, 2023 04:28 PM (6fA8h)

278 183 Wow.

From that link:

"Libby Harrity does not like the cold. The 20-year-old college senior — who uses all pronouns interchangeably — mentions their disdain for winter weather from her dorm room at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, when we first meet over FaceTime."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Get a gun, learn that gun, never ever give up that gun at November 09, 2023 03:59 PM (Kt1w/)

When pronouns can mean anything, they mean nothing.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2023 04:28 PM (ynpvh)

279 The mother was a malignant narcissist. She couldn't handle not getting her own way. What kind of caring mother kills herself when her daughter is sick?

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:29 PM (Tqm9i)

280 279 Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:29 PM (Tqm9i)

What kind of fascist hellhole yanks a kid who is later billed for the syndrome they declaim she does not have and force isolates the child with no evidence of actual active abuse other than this one?

Canada, the UK, Denmark and some of the socialist hellhole systems that are literally in cull the herd mode.

That is about it.

I have no use for activist medicine.

Posted by: sven at November 09, 2023 04:32 PM (X0I7i)

281 I have never heard of a narcissist (much less a malignant narcissist) taking their own life. I am not a psychiatrist though so who knows.

Posted by: Floridachick at November 09, 2023 04:32 PM (6fA8h)

282
"she was only falsely imprisoned for three days. Maybe this is excessive."

You really do need to be falsely imprisoned to understand what it feels like.

There you are, locked down for no discernable reason, and you have no idea when the insanity will end and you will get released.

Posted by: Speller at November 09, 2023 04:34 PM (pSotA)

283 Hell, just watch the thing and decide for yourself.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:35 PM (Tqm9i)

284 If you want an unvarnished (and untainted by Netflix) account of the events that resulted in a lawsuit, read this: https://tinyurl.com/4rvc97df

This article predatea the "documentary" so it has way more credibility that anything depicting Maya's mother as a lunatic.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 09, 2023 04:36 PM (pIx7m)

285 Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:25 PM (Tqm9i)

ICYMI, it wasn't the mother who was on trial

but since you asked, she wasn't the first American who went out of country for treatment when she realized that our nation's best had nothing to offer wrt healing or at least ameliorating a persistent condition.

Jordan Peterson had to go to a Russian clinic to get healed, he's just one famous example. My family's meds in Italy cost a tiny fraction of what is charged here in the States. How come they can keep costs down but USA can't? Because it's another example of how the American MIC is FUBAR

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 04:39 PM (1VFvU)

286 Now do the FBI.

Posted by: Zek at November 09, 2023 04:42 PM (5FPX4)

287 Have you seen the Doctor? And his office? Tell me again why you'd let your child be put into a ketamine coma by this guy. As far as it curing the girl's symptoms, they disappeared completely without ketamine.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:43 PM (Tqm9i)

288
Since Ocare, insurance companies have pretty much been owned by the government.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 09, 2023 04:26 PM (BdMk6)

On the individual side, they are simply the administration of govt run insurance. The govt sets the rules and pricing. The insurance companies just take a cut for doing the paperwork.

Posted by: Montec at November 09, 2023 04:50 PM (P5BwU)

289 Netflix documentaries have proven unreliable.

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at November 09, 2023 05:03 PM (Vu7A1)

290 Contingency attorneys usually take 50% of what's awarded.

Posted by: Al in St. Louis at November 09, 2023 05:12 PM (XU3QZ)

291 Medics have been armed for a long time. Usually pistols but can be otherwise armed.

Posted by: Kurt at November 09, 2023 05:54 PM (yUjgM)

292 I have a kid that suffers from general dysautonomia that includes the group of comorbid conditions of CRPS, EDS, POTS and others. I was a member in an online parent support group for children with CRPS and Beata was also a member. I recall reading her posts and exchanged a few notes of encouragement. When she was accused of MSBP and prohibited from contact with Maya, she was despondent and many other parents tried to offer encouragement and to help her find competent legal counsel to fight. After a few weeks she just stopped posting. Other group members had been in telephone contact with her and learned of her death the day that it happened.

It's been over six years and I don't remember a lot of the details but I know this was a case of medical kidnapping and supreme arrogance by doctors that could not "solve" a patient so they ascribed to a narrative that would absolve them of responsibility. It unfolded in slow motion.

I have seen my child with allodynia so severe that even the brush of a soft sheet across the skin left her screaming in pain. I completely understand why Baeta could not back off and let the "experts" have their way.

Posted by: Walt at November 09, 2023 06:28 PM (AO+BE)

293 This may have been mentioned, but PJMedia had a reasonable write up about this case a while back that went into a lot of detail. It was a very bad situation. $220 million is a lot, but in other times, vengeance would have been extracted from one particular Dr. so I think that the Dr. and his establishment may have gotten off cheap as they are still allowed to breath and have not been burnt to the ground.

Posted by: B at November 09, 2023 06:46 PM (XsyPS)

294 So there was monetary damages, which will be paid by the hospital, after several appeals...

but did any of the people involved suffer any consequences for their actions?

Posted by: JD at November 09, 2023 06:55 PM (1CJ0i)

295
This is how,
I drag my feet,
going into ANY
medical facility.
Also, from Boston,
+ CSMonitor,
+ Reading Rooms
were trusted resources.

Monitor was famous
when 1 reporter was
kidnapped abroad
after 9/11.
Now, Monitor seems
less rigorous.
Granta, also seems,
watered-down. I learned
about many corners of
world, from Granta.

Society trust, is gone.
I practically lean-in
+ whisper to very few.
Go "Grey" for all others-

Posted by: zigzag at November 09, 2023 08:08 PM (6oJcK)

296
I have seen, aggressive lying,
punishments doled-out,
at workplace, in court.
A sort of, pack-mentality.
Either In or Out of the
Clique.
Folks speak of 'street gangs',
but same dynamic,
I see everywhere.
+ Infuriating, to witness,
people lie, flip story.
No Respect for Truth.

Posted by: zigzag at November 09, 2023 08:16 PM (sww9H)

297 Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2023 04:43 PM (Tqm9i)

your defense of the plaintiffs is based on a docudrama which by definition is the interpretation of events that was produced by a creative team whose job it is to provide entertainment.

The courtroom, however, is a venue where evidence is presented by plaintiff's atty, then refuted and challenged by the defense attorney, an established professional who by all accounts is great at his job. And he couldn't sway the jury against the facts of the case, some of which were omitted in the documdrama or dramatized in such a way to paint Maya's mother in a bad light.

If a professional defense attorney dealing with real life contingencies failed in his attempt to advocate for his client, what makes you think you're going to influence anyone here based on a netflix production?

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 09:44 PM (1VFvU)

298 jeannebodine said:
As far as it curing the girl's symptoms, they disappeared completely without ketamine.

Here's a quote from the article that Chairman LMAO linked. Feldman is a doctor who specializes in Munchausen's, and the other quote is from Maya's father Jack:

"Feldman said he would have expected Maya to show improvement during her lengthy hospitalization if Munchausen was to blame.

“I would want to have seen some evidence for improvement sooner,” he said. “Three and a half months is a long time.”

But Maya kept getting worse.

“When she came out of that hospital, I swear, if you set her up she would fall over, she was so weak,” Jack Kowalski said. “She couldn’t get into her bed, get out of bed, nothing. It was a long, long journey. I’ve never seen her that frail.”

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2023 10:02 PM (1VFvU)

299 I watched the trial from day 1. She was held for months. She was abused. Don't beleive the media narrative. Go to Megan Fox at PJMedia for some real reporting. And be careful where you seek medical care for your children.

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