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Poll Shows Biden Losing to Trump; Democrats Suggest It's Time for Biden to Drop Out of the Race, for the Good of the Party
A New York Times/Siena Poll finds:
Voters in battleground states said they trusted Donald J. Trump over President Biden on the economy, foreign policy and immigration, as Mr. Biden's multiracial base shows signs of fraying. President Biden is trailing Donald J. Trump in five of the six most important battleground states one year before the 2024 election, suffering from enormous doubts about his age and deep dissatisfaction over his handling of the economy and a host of other issues, new polls by The New York Times and Siena College have found.
The results show Mr. Biden losing to Mr. Trump, his likeliest Republican rival, by margins of four to 10 percentage points among registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania. Mr. Biden is ahead only in Wisconsin, by two percentage points, the poll found. ...
Across the six battlegrounds -- all of which Mr. Biden carried in 2020 -- the president trails by an average of 48 to 44 percent.
Obama's campaign manager, David Axelrod -- the man who essentially invented Obama -- strongly, strongly hints that it is time for Biden to go.
Discontent pulsates throughout the Times/Siena poll, with a majority of voters saying Mr. Biden's policies have personally hurt them. The survey also reveals the extent to which the multiracial and multigenerational coalition that elected Mr. Biden is fraying. Demographic groups that backed Mr. Biden by landslide margins in 2020 are now far more closely contested, as two-thirds of the electorate sees the country moving in the wrong direction. Voters under 30 favor Mr. Biden by only a single percentage point, his lead among Hispanic voters is down to single digits and his advantage in urban areas is half of Mr. Trump's edge in rural regions. And while women still favored Mr. Biden, men preferred Mr. Trump by twice as large a margin, reversing the gender advantage that had fueled so many Democratic gains in recent years. Black voters -- long a bulwark for Democrats and for Mr. Biden -- are now registering 22 percent support in these states for Mr. Trump, a level unseen in presidential politics for a Republican in modern times. ... In a remarkable sign of a gradual racial realignment between the two parties, the more diverse the swing state, the farther Mr. Biden was behind, and he led only in the whitest of the six. Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump are both deeply -- and similarly -- unpopular, according to the poll. But voters who overwhelmingly said the nation was on the wrong track are taking out their frustrations on the president. ... Another ominous sign for Democrats is that voters across all income levels felt that Mr. Biden's policies had hurt them personally, while they credited Mr. Trump's policies for helping them. The results were mirror opposites: Voters gave Mr. Trump a 17-point advantage for having helped them and Mr. Biden an 18-point disadvantage for having hurt them. For Mr. Biden, who turns 81 later this month, being the oldest president in American history stands out as a glaring liability. An overwhelming 71 percent said he was "too old" to be an effective president -- an opinion shared across every demographic and geographic group in the poll, including a remarkable 54 percent of Mr. Biden's own supporters. In contrast, only 19 percent of supporters of Mr. Trump, who is 77, viewed him as too old, and 39 percent of the electorate overall. Concerns about the president's advancing age and mental acuity -- 62 percent also said Mr. Biden does not have the "mental sharpness" to be effective -- are just the start of a sweeping set of Biden weaknesses in the survey results. ... Voters, by a 59 percent to 37 percent margin, said they better trusted Mr. Trump over Mr. Biden on the economy, the largest gap of any issue. The preference for Mr. Trump on economic matters spanned the electorate, among both men and women, those with college degrees and those without them, every age range and every income level. That result is especially problematic for Mr. Biden because nearly twice as many voters said economic issues would determine their 2024 vote compared with social issues, such as abortion or guns. And those economic voters favored Mr. Trump by a landslide 60 percent to 32 percent. The findings come after Mr. Biden's campaign has run millions of dollars in ads promoting his record, and as the president continues to tour the country to brag about the state of the economy. "Folks, Bidenomics is just another way of saying the American dream!" Mr. Biden declared on Wednesday on a trip to Minnesota. Voters clearly disagree. Only 2 percent of voters said the economy was excellent.
Voters under 30 -- a group that strongly voted for Mr. Biden in 2020 -- said they trusted Mr. Trump more on the economy by an extraordinary 28 percentage-point margin after years of inflation and now high interest rates that have made mortgages far less affordable. Less than one percent of poll respondents under 30 rated the current economy as excellent, including zero poll respondents in that age group in three states: Arizona, Nevada and Wisconsin.
He's saying "Get Out" and he's not even saying it very politely. Joe Biden will almost certainly not be the Democrat candidate for president. And yes: Other Democrats will do better than Biden. Even Kamala does better than Biden.
David Axelrod
@davidaxelrod Nov 5 It's very late to change horses; a lot will happen in the next year that no one can predict & Biden's team says his resolve to run is firm. He's defied CW before but this will send tremors of doubt thru the party--not "bed-wetting," but legitimate concern. The @POTUS is justly proud of his accomplishments. Trump is a dangerous, unhinged demagogue whose brazen disdain for the rules, norms, laws and institutions or democracy should be disqualifying. But the stakes of miscalculation here are too dramatic to ignore.
Only @JoeBiden can make this decision. If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs to decide is whether that is wise; whether it's in HIS best interest or the country's?
I know Trump's partisans are all crowing but I continue being unimpressed that Trump edges the most unpopular Democrat president in recent history.
A generic Democrat beats Trump by eight points. Yes, there's no such thing as a "generic Democrat," and all Democrats will have baggage that the "generic Democrat" does not, but eight points is a good lead. And this just shows that Biden is the worst possible Democrat candidate, because Biden has to run on the Biden record. Other candidates don't. Oh, they won't repudiate Biden's agenda, which is their agenda. But they'll all claim they'll "govern" wiser and get better results out of lightly modified Democrat agenda. How, they won't say. And they won't have to. Sometimes logical-minded people just cannot grasp how completely illogical other people are. It may seem absurd to you that someone could run on pretty much the same agenda as Biden and just promise "I'll put a Commission together to figure out how to govern better than Biden did" and have people believe this, but this is the kind of stupid, retarded bullshit the American public routinely believes. And if the Democrats nominate anyone younger than Trump, the Democrats and the media will suddenly discover that old men are physically frail and experience declines in cognition. And you might say "There's no way they can just all flip on a dime in one second like that." Oh yeah? Watch them. A lot of it comes down to who people "like," and people just do not like Trump. People who really like Trump seem to have trouble accepting that their opinion is a minority opinion. Even in this poll, even against Biden, Trump still can't claim a majority through the swing states. Do not count on the Democrats keeping Joe Biden as a doomed candidate just out of allegiance to one flawed man. That's something only Republicans do. Democrats will not run Joe Biden if he looks like a loser. They will ruthlessly act to win. We won't. We will continue marching along the path to a 2024 loss.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Chainsaw at November 06, 2023 05:40 PM (p7g/X)
Posted by: runner at November 06, 2023 05:41 PM (8rsIm)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 06, 2023 05:41 PM (YRsIm)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:42 PM (guGkK)
anyway I saw that poll and the "generic D" part spooked me
I don't know what it will be but I don't think it will be Trump v Biden
hmm....
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 06, 2023 05:43 PM (AcWfM)
Posted by: runner at November 06, 2023 05:43 PM (8rsIm)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:43 PM (guGkK)
There is also bad news for us, because if Biden drops out, they might actually run a real candidate.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:43 PM (I/Qkd)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 05:44 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2023 05:44 PM (i9ffA)
Posted by: JT at November 06, 2023 05:44 PM (T4tVD)
Posted by: Redenzo at November 06, 2023 05:44 PM (V/pbu)
I don't know who will be, though. They have to:
1. Figure how to get rid of Kamala (Epstein her?), and
2. Put a chick in it and make her gay.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (brAQZ)
Would you like to supersize that order?
Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (VMFAF)
Voters under 30 -- a group that strongly voted for Mr. Biden in 2020 -- said they trusted Mr. Trump more on the economy by an extraordinary 28 percentage-point margin after years of inflation and now high interest rates that have made mortgages far less affordable.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (I/Qkd)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (v0R5T)
Trump by 11…in Nevada? Yeah no.
I gotta give props to NYT. It appears they tried to correct the Dem bias in polls. But looks like they went way too far the other way.
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (P5BwU)
Megyn Kelly said the other day that we may be seeing the death of wokeness. I don't necessarily agree but we are seeing two things. The pure ugliness of wokeness without filter and hand in hand with that the complete collapse of the Biden Administration.
Posted by: Robert at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (j8cGQ)
We will lose regardless of the candidate and state of the nation at the hands of the tyrants.
The rig is pre-baked into the cake. The nation is dead and gone.
I have no idea what to do other than pray for a black swan event that, regardless of the pain and suffering, gets us through to the other side of this.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (x0n13)
Democrat gang war.
You could see them supporting the baby beheading thing as something they could get behind because that's just another form of abortion.
But killing Jewish hippies at a music festival? Complicated.
Posted by: Auspex at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (j4U/Z)
Developing...
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (guGkK)
*gazes lovingly at image in mirror*
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (I/Qkd)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:43 PM (guGkK)
On a Chain Gang ?
(do they still have them ?)
Posted by: JT at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (T4tVD)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (JrojV)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (T/Lqj)
Posted by: mrp at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Drive by at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (MZsCp)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
It wasn't any less absurd that anyone would have wanted him for his first term.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (I/Qkd)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (fwDg9)
I predict his dementia-driven ego will not allow him to accept going quietly.
Pass the popcorn for that!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (x0n13)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (P5BwU)
Yeah, you'd think that polls would show him curb stomping Bai-Den, but then you remember that there's no way in hell the MSM would let that cat outta the bag. Wouldn't support the narrative.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (YRsIm)
Newsom?
Pritzker?
You never hear anything from that utter fuck up Booty Judge anymore, do you?
Posted by: Robert at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (j8cGQ)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (fwDg9)
He'll shuffle, trip and stumble.
Posted by: Roy at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (z+ik4)
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still a year to go, which means DeepState has a year to put Trump in jail
also: what Winston Wolf said
Posted by: DB - at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (geLO8)
You can argue the great depression was worse, but clearly this is the worst peace time economy since then.
Hyperinflation AND catastrophic unemployment (not the number of people on unemployment insurance, but the number of people not formally working) at the same time let alone the crushing national debt.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: But whatever. We're too far out at any rate. at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (CjGGv)
1. Figure how to get rid of Kamala (Epstein her?), and
2. Put a chick in it and make her gay
well they're already buzzing about Michele Obama sooooo...
Posted by: ace at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (KRtlO)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: mrp at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Curious in Cleveland at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (77H3k)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2023 05:44 PM (i9ffA)
BANG! "Oww..."
Oops, what happened to his head?
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (guGkK)
He forfeited it at Rorke's Drift and again at Omaha Beach. Only to do it yet again on the Edmund Pettus Bridge.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (x0n13)
Posted by: Beto at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (vaEwX)
I remember when the NYT predicted that President Obama was going to be a one-term POTUS.
Obama had 43.3% approval in October, 2011. Biden's is 38.7 on 538, and 40.8 on RCP. Biden can overcome, so long as his polling goes upward like Obama's did. If it's still the same numbers in March, then I worry.
Inflation/ gas prices/ stock market are a huge part of this potential problem with young voters. The Fed's aggressive monetary policy is working. Gas prices are again falling. Barring unexpected bad news, the economy with regards to inflationary pressures is cooling enough that the Fed could reverse their policy in about a year (or maybe less). Bidenomics will benefit just as Reaganomics benefited 40 years ago, transforming Reagan from a certain loser to an unbeatable candidate. The biggest problem is there is a 6-9 month lag between the parallels in 1983 and 2023.
we don't know who Trump will pick as his running mate. If it's MTG or Scary Lake, it might just be a landslide.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (NCgXW)
His reply will be "I beat him once before."
He's not leaving. But they will pull a Torecelli middle of next year or at the convention.
People not showing up to vote Biden is one thing. Having not showed up, thus affecting down ballot races, is something the entire D establishment can't afford.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (FxH7T)
I put his real vote total from 2020 at around 60M so...
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: ace at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (KRtlO)
Flies?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (guGkK)
They know Joe make a whole second term.
Posted by: Drive by at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (MZsCp)
Trump is still not the answer.
Posted by: GuyFromNH at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (Rkbwx)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (P5BwU)
Posted by: dantesed at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (88xKn)
There is also bad news for us, because if Biden drops out, they might actually run a real candidate.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:43 PM (I/Qkd)
Polling says DeSantis does worse than Trump and Niki Halley is the strongest R candidate.
Just putting that out there if you guys want to continue to hang your hat on polls showing we should run someone else.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Curious in Cleveland at November 06, 2023 05:48 PM (77H3k)
Not that I am aware off the top of my balding head.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (x0n13)
Posted by: But whatever. We're too far out at any rate. at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (CjGGv)
My expectation: the deep state gets together with the DNC and GOP and tells them to find a way put "electable" candidates on the slate so the deep state doesn't have to openly interfere in the election.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (z5vMw)
Cali-Brek Girl is gonna get the nom.
It will be interesting to hear how he argues what a great job he's done with California and how people are kicking down the door to live there.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: Boswell at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (K+UlC)
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (I/Qkd)
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True, but I could imagine someone being naive/stupid enough to think - sight unseen - that he might be OK.
But now they KNOW what they've got, and they STILL want Biden? Incredible.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (P5BwU)
Posted by: Drive by at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (MZsCp)
I've lost half of my saving just due to bidenflation since 2020. As have you. As has everyone.
The 70s were not this bad this fast.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: Typical MAGAtard at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (xPl2J)
Trump won Michigan in 2016.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (ZLI7S)
Sure, you can get her to leave, but at what cost?
Posted by: rd at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (jBguE)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (fwDg9)
I predict his dementia-driven ego will not allow him to accept going quietly.
Pass the popcorn for that!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (x0n13)
They'll just stick him in a room that vaguely resembles the Oval Office and tell him he's won. "You did it, Mr. President, you saved America!"
*Biden claps and shouts sitting on a rocking horse while wearing a diaper*
Posted by: Robert at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (j8cGQ)
"Please, suh, can I have some more?"
Posted by: Axeman at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (OaZlZ)
Posted by: Dominon Voting Systems at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (vaEwX)
I suspect Niki is getting "generic Republican" plus minority plus woman.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (P5BwU)
We won't. We will continue marching along the path to a 2024 loss.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:40 PM
There' you go, being the eternal optimist again.
You think elections are free and fair. You think "voters" decide things.
How quaint.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: ace at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (KRtlO)
No way she runs. A) she's too lazy, B) she makes way too much money doing nothing and C) her ego won't allow it. She's jealous of Barry; do you think she'd let him and/or ValJar pull her strings and be a glorified Joe Biden. No way, fellow traveler or not. Plus the exposure of her past, despite the media interference, and all the aggravation at being even a pretend president is too much for her.
If the cheat machine is real -- and I believe it is -- they can run Fetterman and he'll with with 90 million votes.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (x0n13)
It will be interesting to hear how he argues what a great job he's done with California and how people are kicking down the door to live there.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (6VKyY)
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I think so too. Of course, that raises the Kumala Sutra problem, since the President and VP cannot both be from the same state. Will she go quietly? I kinda doubt it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (guGkK)
He forfeited it at Rorke's Drift and again at Omaha Beach. Only to do it yet again on the Edmund Pettus Bridge.
I think you're forgetting his key role at Thermopylae.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (I/Qkd)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (6VKyY)
White, male, heterosexual. He's got no shot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (x0n13)
On a platform of "fire bad" right?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (XqcwY)
Few things aggravate me more than thinking about the roaring economy we could have had for the last three years if stupid, uninformed people didn't buy into the media narrative that Trump's personality was somehow beyond the pale.
These voters gave as much thought to their choice as a thirteen year-old girl choosing a class president.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (guGkK)
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Hahaha
(looks back to find my post last month where I said Nikki Haley would be the candidate after Trump neuters DeSantis and the Republicans say he's ineligible to run because he was charged with saying pussy)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (lNBGv)
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I suspect Niki is getting "generic Republican" plus minority plus woman.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (XqcwY)
I would vote for Joe Biden over Nikki Haley.
Not even kidding.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (dGCAG)
The keystone. Remember when we were talking about these numbers back in '15-'16? I called this scenario an Extinction Level Event for the Dems. It explains everything we've seen since.
They know the jig is up under the old rules, so they're just doing whatever they can to survive. Even if the rest of us burn.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (OUMaO)
So, who is going to win even one primary state over trump?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (TzW+Y)
Posted by: 4thewin at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (G2o/Q)
Posted by: Axeman at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (OaZlZ)
Posted by: Time Lag at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (GYjxM)
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True, but that amazed me too.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (5G/3e)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (JrojV)
White, male, heterosexual. He's got no shot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (x0n13
Woke is dying on the vine. To be replaced with 401k concern.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (6VKyY)
The rig is pre-baked into the cake. The nation is dead and gone.
I have no idea what to do other than pray for a black swan event that, regardless of the pain and suffering, gets us through to the other side of this.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (x0n13)
Then why are they worried about polling and are trying to replace Biden?
Posted by: runner at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (8rsIm)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (fwDg9)
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If by savings you mean money in a literal savings account then yeah. But few people have savings in that. Since 2020 stocks and real estate surged to more than make up for inflation. If money was invested there you didn’t lose anything.
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (P5BwU)
Posted by: Hawaii at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (CjGGv)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (6VKyY)
White, male, heterosexual. He's got no shot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
We said that about Biden. See how that turned out.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (OUMaO)
True, but that amazed me too.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (5G/3e)
Team sports is a ride or die sitch
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (6VKyY)
The keystone. Remember when we were talking about these numbers back in '15-'16? I called this scenario an Extinction Level Event for the Dems. It explains everything we've seen since.
They know the jig is up under the old rules, so they're just doing whatever they can to survive. Even if the rest of us burn.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (OUMaO)
The democrats need minimum 90% black support and 100% turnout. They're supposed at 76% which is a disaster for the Democrats. Dao-Min Yen notwithstanding.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (x0n13)
I suspect Niki is getting "generic Republican" plus minority plus woman.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (XqcwY)
Probably. Haley's vote-for total is actually worse than Trump's, it just shows less people committed to Biden there. Which generally doesn't mean an actual weakening of support, some people just move into a sort of soft support position where they will ultimately vote for a candidate.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (eYoxG)
Never before have I never seen a sitting president's own party begging him not to run. We're in uncharted territory here.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (I/Qkd)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (YRsIm)
Of course increasing liquidity is exactly what our economy doesn't need right now with inflation still double the Fed's target. But like everything else in this administration, they don't care about the long term consequences, even something like repeating the mistakes made in the early 70s which created chronically high inflation that continued through the early 80s.
Add that to the stack of society-destroying things coming out of this administration: using the justice department to harass your political opponents; destroying the SPR and ruining our energy independence; losing deterrence against the numerous global shit stains like Iran, China and Hamas; economically disenfranchising the entirety of Gen Z so that jackass boomers can continue flipping homes to each they start dying off; creating 1970s inflation part 2 and actively working against Fed tightening.
Posted by: Trich at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (7wCmd)
Posted by: mrp at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (rj6Yv)
Not even kidding.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (dGCAG)
You can't get more ridiculous unless you are of the LIB faction .
Posted by: Drive by at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (MZsCp)
And no one likes The Ho
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: 4thewin at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (G2o/Q)
apropos of nothing, "throbbing discontent" would be a good name for a band.
Posted by: anachronda at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (oY6Yp)
Remember, these numbers are bad for FJB only because his party wants him gone, otherwise they would not have published these numbers at all or they would have been adjusted.
Posted by: Ciampino - polling, polling, polling! at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (x0n13)
__________________
"But he's so dreamy!" - a walking advertisement for repealing the 19th Amendment
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (5G/3e)
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It's all gaslighting. A complete lie. He was re-elected in a landslide, probably winning Pennsylvania and maybe even California. It's why they had to stop counting and then stage an insurrection to end the conversation about their cheating.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (lNBGv)
Posted by: 4thewin at November 06, 2023 05:53 PM (G2o/Q)
*throws red flag*
Big Mike is not a chick.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (T/Lqj)
If Trump goes to prison he'll be an American Mandela.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (guGkK)
Now, I find myself doubting it's quite so hopeless. I'm worried about it, but at least our side now knows about it. So it's not the certainty it was in 2020.
BTW, I'm not convinced either way about the Carter vs Biden economies. To be fair, in those days I was a terminally drunk bachelor, and didn't really think about shit like that.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (brAQZ)
If you look at the internals of the poll, which are much worse for Biden than the top line numbers would suggest, about the only group Biden is still doing fairly well it's with women. Probably where Haley support is coming from.
Still, Biden is losing men to Trump by 18 points. There's a reason Democrats like Axelrod are freaking out about this. Trump isn't just edging Biden, this poll suggests a landslide.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (OUMaO)
That was Dao-Min Yen that got the win. They need the intersectional candidate to counterbalance the lack of enthusiasm for white male normals. A win by that especially in this climate will raise holy hell.
Plus, we now have RFK and Cornel West in the mix and they shall not be moved. Not now, anyway.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (x0n13)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (17s+e)
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If by savings you mean money in a literal savings account then yeah. But few people have savings in that. Since 2020 stocks and real estate surged to more than make up for inflation. If money was invested there you didn’t lose anything.
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (P5BwU)
Real estate yes, stock market not as much(stock market usually offsets a lot of but not all of inflation). Bonds have been awful though.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (eYoxG)
The NYT numbers from 2020 showed Trump getting 30% of the black male vote before the steal. Even if you assume black women were voting at 100% Biden that's a 15% turn out of black voters for Trump.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:50 PM (P5BwU)
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What about the Incredible First Woman VP? Are the Democrats going to kick the First Black Woman VP out of the VP slot?
Posted by: rd at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (jBguE)
Wow, I had no idea that I was responsible for Gen Z's lack of a work ethic.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (I/Qkd)
apropos of nothing, "throbbing discontent" would be a good name for a band.
Posted by: anachronda at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (oY6Yp)
A.K.A. a hate-f*ck.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (x0n13)
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (as3uC)
I ain't going anywhere pal. I fought too hard, killed too many and have too many people depending on me to leave now. Only way I am going anywhere is feet first.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Posted by: Joe Biden, Old Skool Gangsta at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (R/m4+)
121 Until vote fraud is seriously tackled and it sure has not been, any donkey-commie is going to win.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (17s+e)
And shockingly, our side won't even admit it happened.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (e1604)
As for dumping Biden at the DEM convention, assuming he stays in the race, the Biden delegates were chosen by... Biden!
You & I can't be Biden delegates, because Biden delegates can only be chosen by Biden. These folks are not going to turn on the man who chose them. That's never happened before, ever, & it won't happen in 2024, either.
So unless Biden withdraws, he'll be the DEM nominee.
I agree with our Disinformation Expert that Trump would be an extraordinarily weak GOP nominee against anyone not named Biden, though.
One last thing: the damn polls need to be polling a three-way race (including Kennedy) to get more predictive results.
Posted by: mnw at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (NLIak)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (lNBGv)
The GD wasn’t THAT bad relatively speaking. Most of us have this vision of the 30s from movies that all make it seem like everyone was poor and hungry. It wasn’t really the case. Yes there were a lot of poor people but it was nowhere near the majority like the movies and general conventional wisdom would have you believe.
75-80% of the population lived a pretty decent life throughout the 1930s.
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (P5BwU)
Not even kidding.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (dGCAG)
You can't get more ridiculous unless you are of the LIB faction .
Posted by: Drive by at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (MZsCp)
Hell, I'd vote for you over Nikki Haley, and I think you're basically an idiot.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:57 PM (I/Qkd)
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Don't forget 14% interest rates for a home loan in the eighties.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (z5vMw)
The establishment rigs elections and they’re not going to stop until something really, really bad happens.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (dFWmU)
My costs for most things are double now, because that's what the real inflation rate has been.
My investments have increased by less then 4% per year.
So...4% gain over 3 years versus a 50% overall reduction in value.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (XqcwY)
Maybe the Democrats can come up with an audioanimatronic candidate programmed by AI to mouth all the right prog dogma. There's already a precedent for a Democratic candidate without a background, without accomplishments and without any independent thoughts.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (MoZTd)
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Dude, you don't even need a hypothetical. Look at the opinion on VP Deepthroat. People have been saying for years that she doesn't have a shot.
Bullshit.
If she gets the nod, D voters will overlook her mental retardation just as quickly as they did for Slow Joe.
Posted by: McLurkerson at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (wNDOJ)
Posted by: JROD at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (IlL6s)
Ever ever think the same liberal pollsters that lie about the state of the race until the very end may also be doing this to sucker us into nominating Trump again ?
Trump will blow it again, it’s just his nature.
All Biden has to do is go in hiding and let Trump say something stupid every news cycle.
Posted by: Equate at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (4WoTw)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (lNBGv)
Posted by: Okay. I'm less skeptical. Still too far out though. at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (CjGGv)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 05:58 PM (dGCAG)
Don't care who you are. That there is funny.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (6VKyY)
Do not be surprised if they do the same to FJB, but make it "inclusive" of a mass shooting atrocity, starring, of course, the accursed AR-15, with all the things whut go up.
They'll clear the electoral deck, and sweep up a vast sympathy vote, coat-tailing control of both houses of Congress, whereupon we'll get GCA '24 (turn 'em all in!), and worse.
I'm *not* "predicting" this. Frankly, I'll pray it never happens. But this is exactly how those bastards think, and do.
Reminder. Oswald was a dem and a communist. Sirhan Sirhan was a Palistinian Muzzie, and islam is a totalitarian state. Dunno 'bout James Earl Ray, but he evidently had information that'd have led to the arrest and conviction of Hillary Clinton.
Thus ends your daily dose of sunshine and optimism.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (e6UQI)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Robert at November 06, 2023 05:47 PM (j8cGQ)
At some point, even the MSM gives up on a loser.
Granholm can't run for preznit but it's being noticed that she's a corrupt idiot as well.
Posted by: Auspex at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (j4U/Z)
To prefer Biden after everything that has gone on...JFC.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (uo9+F)
Posted by: Time Lag at November 06, 2023 05:55 PM (GYjxM)
I lived in a small town in Wyoming at the time, and things seemed less tense, shall we say. But I also saw what was going on watching the Teevee, and it was kind of scary, even for a kid who was just past ten years old.
Dad did a lot of muttering.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (T/Lqj)
But Im not going to enable this "lesser of 2 evils" strat where we hope our Republican President doesn't go all
wobbly and betrays us. Its the little victories that people like Mitch gave us - enough to cool the mark but not enough to affect the actual change that we needed
I think it's actually kept us from making a necessary changes, like sharing a house with a woman you should have divorced.
I wish there was a replacement for Trump standing by ready to take over but there's not. Remaining loyal to Trump and losing 2024 may be the only road out of out predicament. I don't want to elect another Bush clone and run around in a circles again
Posted by: Fenrisulven at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (jllJv)
I'm going to need more detail. That's kind of all of them.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (I/Qkd)
This is why Biden is gonna catch Pillow Over the Face COVID and die right before the DNC.
He won't quit. But, he can't really campaign so that gives the Dims a chance to test drive the potential candidates until some Oblabla flunky administers the fatal moment.
Will it work? Eh, we'll see.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (QzZeQ)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 05:46 PM (guGkK)
He forfeited it at Rorke's Drift and again at Omaha Beach. Only to do it yet again on the Edmund Pettus Bridge.
I think you're forgetting his key role at Thermopylae.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM
Nathan Hale was a bitch.
Posted by: Beau Biden at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (NCgXW)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 05:56 PM (ZLI7S)
Good thing for Axelrod, this election won't be decided by votes.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Methos at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (Dnobf)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (6VKyY)
White, male, heterosexual and annoting as hell. He's got no shot.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2023 05:52 PM (x0n13)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (v0R5T)
Biden is convinced to drop out. He does it for the good of the country (wink), he becomes the Democrat party version of Hero Of The Soviet Union, and assumes the life of elder statesman (pudding on a beach in Delaware).
Kamala is cut loose. She is free to declare her own candidacy, but the Handlers ensure that she becomes toxic in the eyes of the public. She returns to California and opens the first KamalaBurger restaurant.
DNC comes up with new dream team. They are elected with nearly 200,000,000 votes.
Posted by: DB - at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (geLO8)
I have no savings, $1.98 in checking, the ATM just ate my credit card, and my car got towed away last night. But I'll still crawl over glass to vote for Joe. He cares for me.
Posted by: Determined Leftist at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (enJYY)
I don't know who will be, though. They have to:
1. Figure how to get rid of Kamala (Epstein her?), and
2. Put a chick in it and make her gay.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 06, 2023 05:45 PM (brAQZ)
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Well there's Pritzker's Brother!
Posted by: Ciampino - polling, polling, polling at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (qfLjt)
The DOJ injected themselves into the 2020 election...they will do so in the 2024 election. The days of a Republican president are over. That's not being pessimistic. That's being honest.
Posted by: Orson at November 06, 2023 06:02 PM (dIske)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:02 PM (v0R5T)
If Biden dropped out on Halloween Day, 2024, the Democrats would get the courts to put his replacement on all 50 state ballots.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 06, 2023 06:02 PM (MoZTd)
Trump is winning a hell of a lot more
Posted by: Gonzotx at November 06, 2023 06:02 PM (MwHgU)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 06, 2023 06:03 PM (Q4IgG)
You cannot be this stupid...
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 06:03 PM (I/Qkd)
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Utter absurdity
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at November 06, 2023 06:03 PM (lNBGv)
In short, they aren't risking it all on this election with everyone watching. They'll wait, playing the long game, like they always do, for 2028, to elect some leftwing nutjob - this is what they do. They wait you out...
Posted by: Boswell at November 06, 2023 06:03 PM (K+UlC)
Posted by: Democrat Operatives Everywhere at November 06, 2023 06:03 PM (QAQdw)
Why recession?
Look at the shipping companies. They are all suddenly cutting back, laying off employees, cutting back on expenses.
Google Maersk, Uber Shipping, and the company Jeff Bezos was investing in just exited the shipping business entirely.
Shipping companies don't think they will have a lot of customers shipping goods and raw materials around these next few years.
Posted by: rd at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (TYna3)
The words mean "I am a truthful man from the land of the palm trees
And before dying, I want to share these poems of my soul
My poems are soft green
My poems are also flaming crimson (con los pobres de la tierra)
My poems are like a wounded fawn (quiero yo mi suerte echar)
Seeking refuge in the forest"
The last verse says, "Con los pobres de la tierra"
"With the poor people of this earth (quiero yo mi suerte echar)
I want to share my fate
The streams of the mountains
Please me more than the sea" (el arroyo de la sierra)
(Me complace más que el mar)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (TGPs7)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (P5BwU)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (xcxpd)
You cannot be this stupid...
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 06:03 PM (I/Qkd)
Just needs to be a story people are willing to believe.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (v0R5T)
There won't be a dem woman. Can't even think of one who holds any national sway that everyone doesn't loathe.
Don't say AOC.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (6VKyY)
90% turn out in WI in 2020...look forward to 102% in 2024...
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: mrp at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (rj6Yv)
I don't doubt that it would be used as an excuse for fraud, but there's no way Kennedy pulls votes from Trump in any meaningful way
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (lNBGv)
And he will STAY in for as long as they can manage it.
That way they will have a plausible explanation for the chicanery.
They want chaos and confusion.
Posted by: Just Lily at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (RLLZj)
81 gazillion votes coming right up. No problem.
Posted by: Democrat Operatives Everywhere
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Too bad, Republicans. The dog ate your ballots.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (MoZTd)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 06, 2023 06:05 PM (YRsIm)
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at November 06, 2023 06:05 PM (R/8l+)
They are voting on baby killing and Jew hatred.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (6VKyY)
Don't forget the breast lopping and penis chopping.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:05 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (z5vMw)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (6VKyY)
AOC
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at November 06, 2023 06:05 PM (R/8l+
Didn't I just say don't say AOC??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: JackStraw
Based off of what I've seen on PornHub, I don't want to ever see anything about "Trump edging Biden" ever again.
Posted by: Perv Moron at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (NCgXW)
Posted by: AlaBAMA
she could run for Prez next year- she'll be 35 on Oct 13 2024
Posted by: DB - at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (geLO8)
This is getting ridiculous.
But let's send billions to Ukraine, pay for food, shelter and medical care for an invading army of illegal aliens, allow unfettered looting of businesses and causing them to go under.
Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (t/2Uw)
If Democrats really believed that there would be no talk about replacing Biden.
In 2020 after 4 years of lies and slander from the media and the left Democrats were energized and they were defending a record. Biden was actually leading in the polls.
None of that is true now. If Biden isn't somewhat close cheating isn't going to work.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (JrojV)
Posted by: Elric Blade at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (/RBd8)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (6VKyY)
And climate warming global change.
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (P5BwU)
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (XqcwY)
But she is the kind of minority that it is OK not to love, because they can frequently be annoying. All those call center dweebs...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (jQJ+F)
They are voting on baby killing and Jew hatred.
Well...those people vote every 4 years for whatever the FNM tells them to
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (XqcwY)
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The one that started last year that the media pretended away?
Posted by: Methos at November 06, 2023 06:07 PM (Dnobf)
Trumps only hope is Biden, and Dems won’t let that happen if they’re convinced it’s over.
Trump needs Biden, any other Democrat and Trump loses a landslide.
Newsom has clearly gotten some signal he may be tapped.
For the record, I still think Biden beats Trump. Warts and all. The people that voted against Trump in 2020 aren’t changing their mind.
Posted by: Equate at November 06, 2023 06:07 PM (4WoTw)
169 That's a head to head poll. Throw in Kennedy as a 3rd party and the votes get siphoned from Trump
You cannot be this stupid...
Posted by: Archimedes at November 06, 2023 06:03 PM (I/Qkd)
______________________________
Oh, you'd be surprised how stupid I can be.
But, in this case, I am less than stupid.
https://tinyurl.com/5bsdeppw
Posted by: Orson at November 06, 2023 06:07 PM (dIske)
and then we'd have a President with a GREAT ASS!
apologies to Al Pacino
Posted by: DB - at November 06, 2023 06:07 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (JrojV)
The hell?
Posted by: Lamont at November 06, 2023 06:08 PM (T/Lqj)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 06, 2023 06:08 PM (pIx7m)
The @POTUS is justly proud of his accomplishments. Trump is a dangerous, unhinged demagogue whose brazen disdain for the rules, norms, laws and institutions or democracy should be disqualifying. But the stakes of miscalculation here are too dramatic to ignore.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at November 06, 2023 06:08 PM (57chq)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (6VKyY)
AOC
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at November 06, 2023 06:05 PM (R/8l+)
Boobs.
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:08 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Equate at November 06, 2023 06:07 PM (4WoTw
They really hate the word pussy, I guess.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:09 PM (6VKyY)
This is getting ridiculous.
But let's send billions to Ukraine, pay for food, shelter and medical care for an invading army of illegal aliens, allow unfettered looting of businesses and causing them to go under.
Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (t/2Uw)
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What fee is that? HOA?
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 06, 2023 06:09 PM (pIx7m)
In 2020 after 4 years of lies and slander from the media and the left Democrats were energized and they were defending a record. Biden was actually leading in the polls.
None of that is true now. If Biden isn't somewhat close cheating isn't going to work.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (ZLI7S)
Honestly? I think they might just be tired of having to haul his carcass all up and down the place.
It's embarrassing for them, especially with the international crowd, and I don't doubt much of the pressure they're getting is from them, and the various oligarchs.
They want a new head up there, they want somebody who doesn't shit his pants everywhere he goes.
They'll rig it one way or another, and then have whoever it is in there who promises to do things their way. Just don't make us look stupid, is their overarching priority.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:10 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Equate at November 06, 2023 06:07 PM (4WoTw
They really hate the word pussy, I guess.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:09 PM (6VKyY)
As retarded as it may be, yeah. They want no mean tweets over stability and good economic times.
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 06:10 PM (P5BwU)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (6VKyY)
AOC
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at November 06, 2023 06:05 PM (R/8l+
Didn't I just say don't say AOC??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (6VKyY)
.......
Pistols at dawn.
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:10 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 06:10 PM (fwDg9)
There hasn't been a politician worth paying attention to since Ronald Reagan.
Please cancel my subscription.
Posted by: Bored at November 06, 2023 06:10 PM (QfInn)
Neither are the people who are voting for him when he got 75 million legal votes. At least.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:11 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (6VKyY)
AOC
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at November 06, 2023 06:05 PM (R/8l+
Didn't I just say don't say AOC??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (6VKyY)
.......
Pistols at dawn.
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:10 PM (v0R5T
I want Nurse for my second.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:11 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 06, 2023 06:11 PM (pIx7m)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:09 PM (6VKyY)
He's right, you know. The people who voted against Trump are not going to change their minds, because they're either dead or they never existed in the first place.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:11 PM (dGCAG)
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This is why I have never touched condos in all the years I’ve invested in real estate. In the long run these condo fees destroy profit.
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 06:11 PM (P5BwU)
Posted by: Trich at November 06, 2023 05:54 PM (7wCmd)
Gen Z disenfranchised themselves because they'd rather play video games than work.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (jQJ+F)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:04 PM (6VKyY)
AOC
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at November 06, 2023 06:05 PM (R/8l+
Didn't I just say don't say AOC??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (6VKyY)
.......
Pistols at dawn.
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:10 PM (v0R5T
I want Nurse for my second.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:11 PM (6VKyY)
Good choice
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (I+ZWa)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2023 05:44 PM (i9ffA)
BANG! "Oww..."
Oops, what happened to his head?
Posted by: BurtTC
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Dark cruel humor is the best humor.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (Okeht)
I'll cast as many ballots as I have to to keep the kid from Scranton in office. It works, and after all - the Supreme Court is choke full of... what's the word Trump used?
'Pussies', that's it.
Though I do like that guy who 'heightens' and eats pudding with his fingers.
Posted by: Determined Leftist at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (enJYY)
And Gettysburg and Bunker Hill.....
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (7u5gb)
Posted by: Bored at November 06, 2023 06:10 PM (QfInn)
Hey, hey, next tell him how much you don't like all his posts about Disney.
He really appreciates the feedback.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:13 PM (dGCAG)
Martial law
Posted by: meal team 6 at November 06, 2023 06:13 PM (u4HaR)
Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (Okeht)
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Cue Nick Cage "you don't say?" meme.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 06, 2023 06:13 PM (pIx7m)
Posted by: Chunk at November 06, 2023 06:13 PM (vm951)
Pretty tall task. If someone does eventually replace Joe they will run on the exact same platform. This IS the modern Democrat party.
If their policies weren't embarrassingly bad they wouldn't need to cheat. They own 99% of the media, Hollywood, sports, schools and yet they still have to cheat.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:14 PM (ZLI7S)
I want the mouse to die and if I think it's boring... I don't respond on the thread.. Imagine that...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 06, 2023 06:14 PM (bs+z0)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 06:14 PM (P5BwU)
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at November 06, 2023 06:14 PM (XMwZJ)
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:12 PM (PCK5/)
The only thing I know for certain, is when this election is over, I will have to be totally honest with myself in admitting I didn't see that coming.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (dGCAG)
WI was the state that had over 10K voters over 120 years old right?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (XqcwY)
This has the added benefit of claiming that it was tit for tat for all the Trump indictments so everything they did is now a wash. Sure we went after your guy, but then you went after our guy and got him. It's just every day politics.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (z+89e)
Right around September or October of 2024, the government announces full disclosure of aliens, one lands on the White House lawn and martial law is enacted for continuity of government.
This way, people. Into the train car. It's the safest bet.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO
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A pair of aviator shades, and Walter is a dead ringer for Joe.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at November 06, 2023 06:14 PM (XMwZJ)
Too much cheese... It binds you up including the brain evidently
Posted by: It's me donna at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (bs+z0)
I suspect Niki is getting "generic Republican" plus minority plus woman.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (XqcwY)
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Aren't there more (dot) Indians than Whites in the world? So not a minority?
Posted by: Ciampino - about that polling, polling, polling at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (qfLjt)
Biden is convinced to drop out. He does it for the good of the country (wink), he becomes the Democrat party version of Hero Of The Soviet Union, and assumes the life of elder statesman (pudding on a beach in Delaware).
Kamala is cut loose. She is free to declare her own candidacy, but the Handlers ensure that she becomes toxic in the eyes of the public. She returns to California and opens the first KamalaBurger restaurant.
DNC comes up with new dream team. They are elected with nearly 200,000,000 votes.
Posted by: DB - at November 06, 2023 06:01 PM (geLO
Forcing Biden to resign will be difficult. The only way I see him resigning is if the FBI and DOJ threaten to put Hunter in prison for at least 10 years and seize 99 percent of Joe's ill-gotten gains.
Getting rid of Kamala? Do-able. Where there's a will there's way.
New Dream Team? It won't be hard to choose the new team. Newsom will sew-up the AWFL, Karen, union, anti-oil, go soft on China, and other key Leftist voting blocks. Not necessarily blacks, though. Who's the next Kamala token black on the Dem bench? Witchmer may have to amazingly discover she has distant black ancestor.
Posted by: Gref at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (5fDan)
Posted by: Dirka Dirka at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (N/h5n)
Posted by: DB - at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (geLO8)
But Im not going to enable this "lesser of 2 evils" strat where we hope our Republican President doesn't go all
wobbly and betrays us. Its the little victories that people like Mitch gave us - enough to cool the mark but not enough to affect the actual change that we needed
I think it's actually kept us from making a necessary changes, like sharing a house with a woman you should have divorced.
I wish there was a replacement for Trump standing by ready to take over but there's not. Remaining loyal to Trump and losing 2024 may be the only road out of out predicament. I don't want to elect another Bush clone and run around in a circles again
Posted by: Fenrisulven at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (jllJv)
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This is where a proven, popular Governor like Ron DeSantis who sat out 2023 and 2024, but was Trump Friendly would have been a smart option.
I don't think the Democrats are going to allow Trump to run in 2024. They are throwing everything in the world at him already, legal and illegal. Do you think some nut(s) ain't going to try to kill him?
Posted by: rd at November 06, 2023 06:16 PM (A0pbR)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at November 06, 2023 05:59 PM (lNBGv)
I thought I heard something squeaking.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2023 06:16 PM (jQJ+F)
Posted by: Chunk at November 06, 2023 06:13 PM
This is the recipe. Mix in the fillers like sawdust and chalk, make the product smaller and charge more.
Posted by: Eromero at November 06, 2023 06:16 PM (NxC5+)
Posted by: EveR at November 06, 2023 06:16 PM (LdQWo)
WI was the state that had over 10K voters over 120 years old right?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:15 PM (XqcwY)
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Unless they all eat human livers to survive that is odd!
(X-file reference)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at November 06, 2023 06:16 PM (pIx7m)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: JackStraw
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How else are they going to own the country?
Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (Okeht)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (P5BwU)
No Democrat is better than Joe Biden, every single one will be bankrolled by the Obama team and then beholden to their policies.
Posted by: Rbastid at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (mn5GB)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: runner at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (8rsIm)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:06 PM (ZLI7S)
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Based on what we are seeing now with 90+ bogus criminal charges, SWAT raids based on politics, Decades long criminal sentences for standing around...etc... You honestly don't think a Dem Secretary of State in some of these battleground states wouldn't be willing to just fudge the results for a victory? There is no help coming from the DOJ if they do...any investigation would be obfuscated. I'd use Michigan as an example...since the Sec of State and the AG of that state buried obvious voter fraud by passing it onto the FBI where it disappeared.
Posted by: Orson at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (dIske)
If their policies weren't embarrassingly bad they wouldn't need to cheat. They own 99% of the media, Hollywood, sports, schools and yet they still have to cheat.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:14 PM (ZLI7S)
I'm really not convinced they can pull it off. I mean, we have lots of good evidence now, their cheat operation is quite effective, but there is a real problem in trying to replace this clown.
In all sincerity, there really are idiot democrat voters who like the guy. It's insane, but after all, we're talking about democrat voters.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:18 PM (dGCAG)
If past is prologue, Democrats will break all norms, rules, laws and constitution to gain power. With Trump "gaining" in these polls (which I believe the media has is doing on purpose) I believe that's the final straw.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2023 06:18 PM (R8XW4)
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at November 06, 2023 06:14 PM (XMwZJ)
Fat, drunk and eating cheese curds all day will warp you brain pan a little bit.
Then, once your a fat cheese eating layabout, you fall victim to every federal handout and freebie you can lay your mitts on.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 06, 2023 06:18 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Beartooth at November 06, 2023 06:18 PM (TDQgG)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (v0R5T)
You're gonna hate the special sauce.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:19 PM (6VKyY)
If past is prologue, Democrats will break all norms, rules, laws and constitution to gain power. With Trump "gaining" in these polls (which I believe the media has is doing on purpose) I believe that's the final straw.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2023 06:18 PM (R8XW4)
In a way it does not matter.. it is the party not the person for them.
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:19 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: Fenrisulven at November 06, 2023 06:00 PM (jllJv)
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If Dems win in 2024 there will never be any 2026 or 2028 elections.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2023 06:19 PM (i9ffA)
Posted by: Montec at November 06, 2023 06:20 PM (P5BwU)
250 Not sure how the WI poll makes any sense. PDT only “lost” by around 20k ballots in 2020, but after 3 years of economic misery, Joe gains popularity?
Posted by: EveR at November 06, 2023 06:16 PM (LdQWo)
Government handouts haven't gone down.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:20 PM (6VKyY)
Well, we never got an actual counting of actual votes in 2020 so I'd argue we didn't have a real election then either
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:20 PM (XqcwY)
Really? Because it looks to me like Democrats vote like it's a team sport. There may be some people not enthusiastic about Biden, but those people will come home to mama if they throw the right gender or race up as the candidate.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2023 06:20 PM (R8XW4)
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at November 06, 2023 06:21 PM (MvF+J)
Why are my ears ringing?
Posted by: Anne Althouse at November 06, 2023 06:21 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 05:51 PM (XqcwY)
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If anyone really thinks Democrat Women are going to vote for Haley? Not going to happen. She will be lucky to get 40% of all women voters in November
Posted by: rd at November 06, 2023 06:21 PM (A0pbR)
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at November 06, 2023 06:21 PM (MvF+J
Pretty sure most of us here remember the economic numbers from the 70s to mid eights before Ronnie turned it around.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:21 PM (6VKyY)
Welfare pays better.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:22 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:22 PM (PCK5/)
KamalaBurger! Home of the Big Suck Shake and Gobbler Burger!
Posted by: Auspex at November 06, 2023 06:22 PM (j4U/Z)
They're a bunch of drunk, brat eating Packers fans.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2023 06:22 PM (R8XW4)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 06, 2023 06:22 PM (hXr4C)
Well, tomorrow is DeSantis's last chance to rise above the pack.
He needs to step up and elevate his position so that he can lift his lagging polls to new heights.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 06, 2023 06:22 PM (XV/Pl)
Well, tomorrow is DeSantis's last chance to rise above the pack.
He needs to step up and elevate his position so that he can lift his lagging polls to new heights.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 06, 2023 06:22 PM (XV/Pl
Tall order.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:23 PM (6VKyY)
I do think it's possible. I think many things are possible. But after being told over and over that Trump can't beat Biden this poll would seem to indicate that not only can Trump beat Biden he is unquestionably the strongest candidate against Biden.
I don't know why some of you seem to think the entire Democrat party only cares about beating Trump and if Ron is that nominee they will just say "Well that's cool, turn of the cheating machines".
And if they did think that then why would you want Ron?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 06, 2023 06:23 PM (63Dwl)
Well, tomorrow is DeSantis's last chance to rise above the pack.
He needs to step up and elevate his position so that he can lift his lagging polls to new heights.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 06, 2023 06:22 PM (XV/Pl)
It’s Trump, doesn’t matter.. maybe..
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:23 PM (PCK5/)
YOU RULE
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:24 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:17 PM (v0R5T)
Naw. It's drive in, back out, drive in, back out...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2023 06:24 PM (jQJ+F)
To bad MAGA terrorists lost again. Time for more draconian measures to keep them in line.
Better luck next time, losers.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 06, 2023 06:24 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at November 06, 2023 06:25 PM (MvF+J)
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:19 PM (PCK5/)
I mean that's pretty true for voters.
But it is actually a realistic perspective. I don't think anyone seriously believes Joe Biden is calling the shots.
And is Gavin Newsome is elected, it's it like he will be the one calling the shots.
In fact, looking back, even when Trump was president, he didn't call the shots, or when he did, he was ignored.
In some strange way, we have almost become a parliamentary form of government, where people vote on ideals rather than individuals, and even if someone like Trump wins, his fringe party has to form a coalition government with the GOPe to hold a majority.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 06, 2023 06:25 PM (/11g9)
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Well, we never got an actual counting of actual votes in 2020 so I'd argue we didn't have a real election then either
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:20 PM (XqcwY)
Senator Fetterman called, and said about the 2022 elections "Flhgh doaigh doiasn idd."
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:25 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 06, 2023 06:25 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:25 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 06:25 PM (fwDg9)
>>Tall order.
Well, if he plays his cards right, he can take an elevator right to the top.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 06, 2023 06:25 PM (XV/Pl
He's not growing on me, sorry. Just comes up short in my book.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:26 PM (6VKyY)
Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2023 06:26 PM (R8XW4)
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 06, 2023 06:27 PM (/6GbT)
They will cry as their hero Biden retires...and Newsome or Whitmer runs.
Trump will already have won primary, but be indicted and maybe convicted before the election.
My suggested route out of this is to have Desantis or Haley be the sole competitor to Trump, and if they win, they can pardon Trump.
If Trump wins, he can pardon himself for federal cases.
Not gonna lie, Trump running means he's extremely self-motivated to win. It's his ass on the line.
Could Trump withdraw at the GOP convention?
IIRC GOP convention is before Dems, though.
Posted by: Harun at November 06, 2023 06:28 PM (c2WeP)
Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at November 06, 2023 06:28 PM (d8Y5d)
>>He's not growing on me, sorry. Just comes up short in my book.
Perhaps he should lay low for a bit.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 06, 2023 06:28 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 06, 2023 06:27 PM (/6GbT
Boob-removal and fake sex organ industry.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:28 PM (6VKyY)
I'd really like to pull the lever for Ron. I don't wanna give him the short shift but I think he needs to heighten his exposure.
Posted by: Determined Leftist at November 06, 2023 06:28 PM (enJYY)
Facebook, Amazon, Google.
most people don't work for Facebook. amazon is making itself and China sellers richer, and Google....
Posted by: Harun at November 06, 2023 06:28 PM (c2WeP)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 06, 2023 06:29 PM (cLWyk)
She is free to declare her own candidacy, but the Handlers ensure that she becomes toxic in the eyes of the public.
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I'm sure she can manage this without assistance.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 06, 2023 06:29 PM (MoZTd)
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 06, 2023 06:27 PM (/6GbT)
Orange juice futures funnily enough.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 06:29 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2023 06:19 PM
There is iron in the words of Tom Servo.
Posted by: Eromero at November 06, 2023 06:29 PM (NxC5+)
Voters in battleground states said they trusted Donald J. Trump over President Biden on the economy, foreign policy and immigration, as Mr. Biden's multiracial base shows signs of fraying."
YASSSSSSSSSSS. These worms need to be worms, otherwise they won't realize that hey are worms.
YASSSSSSSSSSS. Give me more, Cash. MORE
Posted by: Denny Crane! at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (raeI8)
But then, Cruz's dad probably didn't kill JFK either, but Trump has a way of getting to these guys in ways that are hilariously cruel.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (XMwZJ)
Welfare and government work
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (XqcwY)
Posted by: Harun at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (c2WeP)
She'll have to. Her assistants always quit right away.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (MvF+J)
Posted by: Lost in Space at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (2StUH)
If past is prologue, Democrats will break all norms, rules, laws and constitution to gain power. With Trump "gaining" in these polls (which I believe the media has is doing on purpose) I believe that's the final straw.
Posted by: Marcus T
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And if they win this time it's over.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 06, 2023 06:31 PM (Okeht)
But then, Cruz's dad probably didn't kill JFK either, but Trump has a way of getting to these guys in ways that are hilariously cruel.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (dGCAG
If nothing more, it's a masterclass in how to otherize someone to completely hamper their efforts.
Trump has taken down multiple opponents.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 06, 2023 06:31 PM (6VKyY)
Take a look at the drug distribution sector. MCK, CAH, COR. Go look at their stock charts. Probably too late to climb aboard that rocket.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at November 06, 2023 06:32 PM (MvF+J)
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:23 PM (ZLI7S)
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They care about power....and control. It's that simple. They can't appeal to the acceptance of their policies to the constituents, so they hammer it down your throat via Fiat and the Courts, and federal law enforcement.
Someone in the Oval office that isn't on that same page is an obstacle. It matters not whom that person is (Trump, DeSantis, Zippy the Pinhead). They already have a pretty good handle on the Judicial Branch. I have no doubt that come 2024 they will solidify the Legislative Branch (good God, they elected a piece of broccoli to the senate in PA). The White House is an easy cheat now that they have no problem being covert and egregious in their fraud.
Posted by: Orson at November 06, 2023 06:32 PM (dIske)
Welfare and government work
Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (XqcwY)
So nothing that actually contributes to the economy
Posted by: A dude in MI at November 06, 2023 06:32 PM (/6GbT)
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Just got back in. What horse's ass wrote that. Stocks peaked in March 2021 when the financial news that Trump lost hit everyone that wasn't paying attention.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 06, 2023 06:33 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: wth
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I await the launch of a ship, 'USS Kamala Harris'.
Will have a female skipper, natch.
Only a matter of time until the news reports roll in; 'Kamala Harris rams reef, is bilged, and going down by the stern'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:33 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: It's me donna at November 06, 2023 06:34 PM (bs+z0)
Posted by: Eeyore at November 06, 2023 06:34 PM (brAQZ)
Orange juice futures funnily enough.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 06:29 PM (eYoxG)
Which is kinda weird. Global warming is killing off the FL orange crop with frosts and freezes.
I have a slight suspicion someone is being dishonest.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 06, 2023 06:34 PM (enJYY)
Posted by: Vrag Naroda at November 06, 2023 06:34 PM (JuMV1)
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Big Pharma
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:35 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at November 06, 2023 06:36 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: Skip at November 06, 2023 06:36 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Auspex at November 06, 2023 06:36 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:35 PM (XeU6L)
Both "legit" and otherwise.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2023 06:36 PM (jQJ+F)
Posted by: Lost in Space at November 06, 2023 06:30 PM (2StUH)
Future News Today!
A tremendous tragedy for the nation occurred today. President Biden and his wife were both killed when the Marine One helicopter they were in crashed in flames as it approached Joint Base Andrews.
Posted by: Gref at November 06, 2023 06:37 PM (5fDan)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 06, 2023 06:37 PM (woPUd)
Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at November 06, 2023 06:37 PM (d8Y5d)
>>Tall order.
Well, if he plays his cards right, he can take an elevator right to the top.
With the right platform, he would be a shoo-in.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at November 06, 2023 06:38 PM (DsA2n)
........
I saw some of those at the supermarket, those things are expensive!
Posted by: wth at November 06, 2023 06:38 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:38 PM (PCK5/)
Id like to know besides the defense industry and grift, what sector of the economy is 'excellent'
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Big Pharma
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:35 PM
Now might be a very good time to decide if Pfizer belongs in your portfolio.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 06, 2023 06:38 PM (enJYY)
Shifa is rather like the Reich Chancellery & Fuhrerbunker complex in Berlin, 1945.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2023 06:38 PM (i9ffA)
>>"Trump has taken down multiple opponents." While leaving Biden, Newsom, and Whitmer unscathed.
Tell me you have never watched a Trump rally without telling me you've never watched a Trump rally.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 06, 2023 06:39 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: Vrag Naroda at November 06, 2023 06:34 PM (JuMV1)
Jeb is running again?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 06:39 PM (eYoxG)
With the right platform, he would be a shoo-in.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks
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Cry havoc, and loose the puns!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:39 PM (XeU6L)
I dunno. You can buy a generic Democrat president for $5M or less.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at November 06, 2023 06:39 PM (MvF+J)
My son has a friend assigned to the USS Harvey Milk.
Posted by: Auspex at November 06, 2023 06:39 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at November 06, 2023 06:40 PM (VMFAF)
Posted by: Allen at November 06, 2023 06:40 PM (DKlaF)
Posted by: DB - at November 06, 2023 06:40 PM (geLO8)
Exactly my point. They will cheat against whomever is the nominee. The key is nominating someone who can build a lead outside the margin of cheat and all indications right now are that person is Trump. And for those who have short memories he also did an outstanding job of presidenting the first time around.
Trump is over 60% in virtually every national poll for the nomination and winning every state I've seen as well. That's a bit beyond the realm of cult candidate. That's the clear front runner.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2023 06:40 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 06, 2023 06:38 PM (enJYY)
Better there than in my bloodstream, although I would not wish to profit from other peoples' misery.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2023 06:40 PM (jQJ+F)
To bad MAGA terrorists lost again. Time for more draconian measures to keep them in line.
Better luck next time, losers.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 06, 2023 06:24 PM (Q4IgG) "
this!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 06, 2023 06:40 PM (hXr4C)
Posted by: tubal
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I predict it will be completely unpredictable
Posted by: DB - at November 06, 2023 06:41 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2023 06:25 PM (dGCAG)
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at November 06, 2023 06:42 PM (ScR16)
Now might be a very good time to decide if Pfizer belongs in your portfolio.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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I suspect that they just pay Fauci, et al, directly, in cash.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:42 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at November 06, 2023 06:43 PM (MvF+J)
When you're shopping you gotta leave a lot of space for 'generic democrats' to maneuver those little scooters.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 06, 2023 06:43 PM (enJYY)
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:43 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 06, 2023 06:43 PM (guGkK)
I am listening to the audio book of "Animal Farm" which I have never read before. (It's very short, only about 3 hours so I'm halfway through it already.)
This point, about the STUPIDITY of most of the animals seems, so far, to be the ultimate lesson of the book.
Not sure what I thought it was going to be about, but it wasn't that. So I'm struck to see these remarks because they are totally underlining what I just heard.
People are really, really, really monumentally stupid. Without true guardrails we would have disaster day in and day out. Like they do actually have in uncivilized places. I understand one is supposed to overlook all that, but it is still true.
Posted by: jocon307 at November 06, 2023 06:44 PM (EuROc)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 06, 2023 05:44 PM (i9ffA)
BANG! "Oww..."
Oops, what happened to his head?
Posted by: BurtTC
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Biden has denied RFK Jr. secret service protection. There have been already two incidents of armed people trying to reach him during public events. Candidates running for president in the past have been granted SS protection in over 500 days in advance of the general election.
Posted by: levin at November 06, 2023 06:44 PM (aUIrK)
Posted by: Auspex
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Imagine being handed those orders...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:44 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: tubal at November 06, 2023 06:38 PM
Exactly, a man-caused disaster big enough to trigger martial law and postpone elections. They have the will and the resources.
Posted by: Eromero at November 06, 2023 06:45 PM (NxC5+)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 06, 2023 06:45 PM (XeU6L)
Posted by: Divide by Zero
Considering it's down 52% from it's Dec. 21 peak, i'd say it's a little late. Best wait for that 2nd sigma, and then buy with both fists.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 06, 2023 06:46 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at November 06, 2023 06:37 PM (d8Y5d)
Yup....It's time for all the old farts to retire to Guatemala since there is no one left there now.
You can live like a King on the social security ponzi scheme check and even own people. That is until the government or cartel gets wind of you then off you go.
Live a little.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 06, 2023 06:47 PM (R/m4+)
How are Ron's small donor donation numbers looking lately? Yeah, there aren't any. But he can Totally WIN!
Anxiously waiting for the first Allahpundit link here.
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at November 06, 2023 06:47 PM (zdYK9)
Posted by: Deepelemblues at November 06, 2023 06:48 PM (9mRsW)
LOL!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 06, 2023 06:49 PM (hXr4C)
Posted by: Jonah at November 06, 2023 06:49 PM (nfyTY)
Posted by: Allen at November 06, 2023 06:49 PM (DKlaF)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 06, 2023 06:50 PM (hXr4C)
I’m an RD supporter, but even I have to admit that Trump’ (and Kamala’s) relative weakness is the only things keeping D power brokers from coming to a consensus to eject him. Someone is going to be very wrong next fall.
Posted by: MountainGuy at November 06, 2023 06:54 PM (/tm+P)
The rig is pre-baked into the cake. The nation is dead and gone."
Yep.
We watched an election get stolen in real time in 2020, then watched again as a crushing wave got turned into a nail-biting victory in 2022. The Dems can never tolerate another legitimate election - the risks are too high for them.
We're done.
Posted by: Sloucho at November 06, 2023 06:56 PM (+AbyO)
Why don’t you leave everyone alone and go play video games or something.
Posted by: Allen at November 06, 2023 07:01 PM (DKlaF)
'With the right platform, he would be a shoo-in.'
Without a platform, he'll continue to be overlooked.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 06, 2023 07:04 PM (roH4R)
Those on team “it’s rigged anyhow so just throw the Trump rock at their head again”, I don’t get their plan. Why don’t they at least have a search out for competent legal teams and strategies if this is what they believe? They’re just gonna repeat 2020, get more people thrown in prison, and get the America First ideology discredited for a generation.
Posted by: Cjw at November 06, 2023 07:04 PM (AtWrV)
Posted by: Allen at November 06, 2023 07:06 PM (DKlaF)
What the Republicans are about to do is impeach Joe Biden. Not Garland. Not Wray. Not an out and out stone cold traitor to America named Alejandro Mayorkas. No, taking Biden -/ who is Garland by Kalorama-/ solves nothing. Biden deserves impeachment and being sentenced as a traitor but strategically it makes more sense to start impeachment with Mayorkas or one of the other deserving subjects. Let the Communists depose Biden. Make The Party own and deal with Biden.
Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at November 06, 2023 07:09 PM (FCPbW)
2. Put a chick in it and make her gay.
Posted by: Eeyore"
Sounds like KJP would take care of those items! Another historic first.
Posted by: Ripley at November 06, 2023 07:16 PM (PTDkx)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 06, 2023 05:49 PM (eYoxG)
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Polling is all narrative setting. Last time Biden was crushing Trump - being polled to provide justification when the late votes materialized for Biden. They are getting the establishment set up for when it's time to jettison Biden as the nominee. They also will hope they will lock Trump in - they give Haley to give squish RINOs a reason to not coalesce around any one non-Trump candidate. They might even think that Harris as much as she is hated by everybody could win. But probably Pritzker out of Illinois, not over exposed like Newsome. Personally wealthy. All in on kiddie sex and maiming without being too vocal. Then we need to make sure Thomas and Alito have 4 good years left in them.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 06, 2023 07:22 PM (UVyKP)
Posted by: Allen at November 06, 2023 07:28 PM (DKlaF)
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy at November 06, 2023 07:41 PM (WiAW9)
Lol they do this all the time.
Posted by: El Camino at November 06, 2023 07:55 PM (hBDSK)
Posted by: Phineasphogg at November 06, 2023 07:56 PM (Y2qvn)
As for Wisconsin, I live there, and I find that hard to believe, unless the pollsters confined themselves to Milwaukee and Dane counties.
Posted by: Nemo at November 06, 2023 08:37 PM (S6ArX)
Posted by: Allen at November 06, 2023 08:38 PM (91Cr6)
Posted by: Jane at November 06, 2023 08:49 PM (EcD5Y)
The key is our establishment types who you seem to prefer - they all think Trump is a joke and a threat to their foreign, ill-gotten gains. And he is. And we love him for it understanding his faults.
As soon as you all call out Brad Raffensperger for giving up the 2020 election in GA I will call out Trump. Deal?
Posted by: Danimal28 at November 06, 2023 08:55 PM (ryUqI)
Ace is marching to DeSanctis' (and the rest of Never-Trump's) mega-donor drums, not MAGA. So what's with "we"? Ace and McConnell? Ace and Graham? Axin' for a friend.
Posted by: Born Free at November 06, 2023 09:02 PM (6kqgf)
Seems like a wise move from a supposed 'joke' of a president. I will never understand how people do not take Trump seriously in life or business; business is the greatest education you can ever attain.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9957hh
Posted by: Danimal28 at November 06, 2023 09:03 PM (ryUqI)
Ace is marching to DeSanctis' (and the rest of Never-Trump's) mega-donor drums, not MAGA. So what's with "we"? Ace and McConnell? Ace and Graham? Axin' for a friend.
Posted by: Born Free at November 06, 2023 09:02 PM (6kqgf)
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Agreed.
Posted by: Danimal28 at November 06, 2023 09:05 PM (ryUqI)
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