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THE MORNING RANT: Until House Republicans Commit to Eliminating Omnibus Spending Bills, I Can’t Be Bothered to Care about the Speaker Situation
There is still not a Speaker of the House of Representatives. I suppose I should be upset, because a great many conservative partisans and pundits whom I respect are distraught about this situation. But unless and until the Republican-led House starts asserting control of spending and appropriations, I can’t find myself getting worked up.
Single-item spending bills is the reform I care about. So long as appropriations continue to be done by “omnibus” legislation, there is no chance to ever get spending under control, nor is there a possibility of ever defunding some of the most egregious government spending. If I am understanding the accounts I read of Kevin McCarthy’s election as House Speaker, he agreed to move toward multiple votes on spending matters so as to win confirmation from “far right” Republicans, but once he had the gavel he reneged. If that is so, he deserved to be deposed. And until there is a Speaker that will allow such votes, we’re probably better off without one. There is nothing in the Constitution mandating that Congress must roll all legislation into one bill. In fact, the presumption would be otherwise - that the legislative body can and should pass multiple pieces of legislation, especially when it comes to authorizing spending. The great Oilfield Rando is constantly publishing a stream of actual appropriations for which our government keeps going deeper in debt. Here is just one of many that I see today at @RandoLand_us. In 2022 the government provided a $418k grant to Yale University so it can do research on “strengthening the HIV care continuum for transgender women living with HIV in Malaysia.” Yale has a $40 billion endowment, but it is somehow the role of taxpayers to give Yale money to study transgenders in Malaysia. But under the House’s current process, the only way for southern Republicans to get funding for something like lock repairs on the Tennessee River, is for those Republicans to vote for the omnibus funding that sends money to Yale to study transgenders in Malaysia. In addition, I am really sick of the requirement that the conservative base must compromise and support swamp Republicans whose constituency is really the DC establishment, while that favor is never reciprocated. We held our nose and voted for McCain and Romney for President, then when Trump ran on populist conservative issues such as border security, the moderate Republicans defected and tried to get Hillary and Biden elected, so as to teach us a lesson. The same applies to the election of the Speaker of the House. Real conservative representatives sucked it up and voted for Ryan, Boehner, and other swamp creatures who always worked to advance the Democrats’ spending agenda. But when an actual conservative, Jim Jordan, was recently put to the vote, a block of NeverConservative Republicans voted him down. If swamp Republicans have a policy of never, ever allowing a real conservative to have the Speaker’s gavel, then I really don’t care about the appearance of “Republican disarray.” The “power of the purse” by controlling the House of Representatives is just about the most important political power in the Constitution, especially considering the current government bloat. Refusal to vote on single item appropriations is an abdication of that power. A day of reckoning for the federal deficits and national debt is coming. Why not make that day now? Until we have a Speaker who will assert the constitutional power to appropriate, or not appropriate money, and until we use our Constitutional authority to defund the left’s agenda when we have the power to do so, I cannot get too worked up about the lack of a Republican Speaker whose role is to fund the Democrats’ agenda. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]Comments
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Speaker selection and other social club hi-jinks.....
Posted by: BignJames at October 23, 2023 11:01 AM (AwYPR)
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Very well stated, Buck!
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:02 AM (MvF+J)
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Amen
Posted by: Pete Bog at October 23, 2023 11:02 AM (3iu+6)
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If only the lack of a "Speaker" would shut down the House....
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 23, 2023 11:02 AM (Q4IgG)
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I'm with the Throckmorton on this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 23, 2023 11:03 AM (xcxpd)
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>>>>We held our nose and voted for McCain and Romney for President, then when Trump ran on populist conservative issues such as border security, the moderate Republicans defected and tried to get Hillary and Biden elected, so as to teach us a lesson.
I don't think that was their motivation. They see their jobs as "thought leaders," and they are paid by their real bosses to lead us to the thoughts they want us to have.
Trump was not what they were supposed to lead us to. Their paychecks rely on us listening to them -- that's the product they sell.
In other words, they weren't necessarily trying to "teach us a lesson," they were trying to preserve their income.
This is not now nor has it ever been about ideology.
I don't think that was their motivation. They see their jobs as "thought leaders," and they are paid by their real bosses to lead us to the thoughts they want us to have.
Trump was not what they were supposed to lead us to. Their paychecks rely on us listening to them -- that's the product they sell.
In other words, they weren't necessarily trying to "teach us a lesson," they were trying to preserve their income.
This is not now nor has it ever been about ideology.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 23, 2023 11:03 AM (mj0Qp)
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Buck you won't be caring about the SOH for a very long time then.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 23, 2023 11:04 AM (17s+e)
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McCarthy is said to have refused to back Trump in '24. So why should I care if he gets humiliated by the removal.
The GOPe is not our friend. They've chosen their friends.
The GOPe is not our friend. They've chosen their friends.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 23, 2023 11:04 AM (Angsy)
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If I am understanding the accounts I read of Kevin McCarthy’s election as House Speaker, he agreed to move toward multiple votes on spending matters so as to win confirmation from “far right” Republicans, but once he had the gavel he reneged. If that is so, he deserved to be deposed. And until there is a Speaker that will allow such votes, we’re probably better off without one.
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Oh McCarthy *allowed* such votes. he even pretended to support such votes and work toward them. This was a con. McCarthy - and the rest of the Uniparty leadership - does *not* want regular order. Ever. For any reason. Far too much power and money is locked up in the omnibus. It is how the Party leaders wield power over the caucus and one of the ways they get stupendously rich. It is deeply corrupt and unaccountable, which is why the Uniparty has latched onto it so completely.
McCarthy made the motions, but it's clear he never intended to follow through. That's why he's gone, and why it's good that he's gone.
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Oh McCarthy *allowed* such votes. he even pretended to support such votes and work toward them. This was a con. McCarthy - and the rest of the Uniparty leadership - does *not* want regular order. Ever. For any reason. Far too much power and money is locked up in the omnibus. It is how the Party leaders wield power over the caucus and one of the ways they get stupendously rich. It is deeply corrupt and unaccountable, which is why the Uniparty has latched onto it so completely.
McCarthy made the motions, but it's clear he never intended to follow through. That's why he's gone, and why it's good that he's gone.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:04 AM (d04cU)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (RIvkX)
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Next do immigration and border control, followed by eliminating the Dept of Education and all related spending.
Or flip those in order.
Is it too late for real primary challenges to the recidivist wing of the party?
Or flip those in order.
Is it too late for real primary challenges to the recidivist wing of the party?
Posted by: Pete Bog at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (3iu+6)
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A freaking men
Posted by: Bloughlin at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (j2zAz)
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A day of reckoning for the federal deficits and national debt is coming. Why not make that day now?
Just waiting for the Boss to give me the go.
Just waiting for the Boss to give me the go.
Posted by: Gabriel's Trumpet at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (Angsy)
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It's a good essay but probably needs to be sent to Republicans Reps in the House, because they probably aren't reading ASHQ.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (vDymq)
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Well said, Buck. Thanks.
Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (GshMh)
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There is still not a Speaker of the House of Representatives. I suppose I should be upset, because a great many conservative partisans and pundits whom I respect are distraught about this situation.
This is about us, isn't it!?!?!? We knew you'd come back home!!!!
This is about us, isn't it!?!?!? We knew you'd come back home!!!!
Posted by: The Bulwark, The Lincoln Project, NRO at October 23, 2023 11:06 AM (JCZqz)
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When Democrats get elected, Democrats get what they want.
When Republicans get elected, Democrats get what they want.
When Republicans get elected, Democrats get what they want.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 23, 2023 11:06 AM (H9sxy)
Posted by: Zeera , becoming ungovernable by choice at October 23, 2023 11:06 AM (6I2Cp)
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Perfectly stated - who cares if the most vile criminal enterprise is in disarray? We like it that way.
Posted by: Oglebay at October 23, 2023 11:06 AM (ogTiX)
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Well said Buck.
Individual funding bills *are* the hill to die on for the pols.
Too bad most of them (and the F...g Gop Senate) want to shirk the duties they were elected to perform.
Individual funding bills *are* the hill to die on for the pols.
Too bad most of them (and the F...g Gop Senate) want to shirk the duties they were elected to perform.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron next year in Corsicana at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (i+aOq)
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Viva la Grid Lock.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (XetL6)
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Yale has a $40 billion endowment, but it is somehow the role of taxpayers to give Yale money to study transgenders in Malaysia. But under the House’s current process, the only way for southern Republicans to get funding for something like lock repairs on the Tennessee River, is for those Republicans to vote for the omnibus funding that sends money to Yale to study transgenders in Malaysia.
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Sure. But the real point isn't the Malaysian trannies and their HIV, its the cash raked off by the NGOs ostensibly doing the "research" and the bits and pieces of it kicked around Washington, some of which land in the pockets of the Party and its leaders.
It's preposterous and offensive and crooked as hell, which is why the Party needs hostages to make it work. The omnibus scheme has the ultimate hostage: the government itself. They *have* to pass it, or there will be a Dread Shutdown and lots of action nobody wants.
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Sure. But the real point isn't the Malaysian trannies and their HIV, its the cash raked off by the NGOs ostensibly doing the "research" and the bits and pieces of it kicked around Washington, some of which land in the pockets of the Party and its leaders.
It's preposterous and offensive and crooked as hell, which is why the Party needs hostages to make it work. The omnibus scheme has the ultimate hostage: the government itself. They *have* to pass it, or there will be a Dread Shutdown and lots of action nobody wants.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (d04cU)
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Agree Buck. I read a column this weekend… forgot who or where… they observed that GOPe probably want the outcome to be no permanent speaker… the pro tem guy with slightly expanded powers can keep the grift flowing. Anything for them better than a strong speaker who is conservative who’d actually carry out the wishes of the voters
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (GjXII)
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If swamp Republicans have a policy of never, ever allowing a real conservative to have the Speaker’s gavel, then I really don’t care about the appearance of “Republican disarray.”
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But it's so humiliating to have it happen in public! It was much better when the nasty little deals were cut behind closed doors so nobody could see the sausage being made!
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But it's so humiliating to have it happen in public! It was much better when the nasty little deals were cut behind closed doors so nobody could see the sausage being made!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (d04cU)
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Johnson is right!
Posted by: Roland Johnson at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (cl+Gq)
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A day of reckoning for the federal deficits and national debt is coming. Why not make that day now?
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No way.
This is embarrassing. And dangerous.
We need to continue trillion dollar deficits.
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No way.
This is embarrassing. And dangerous.
We need to continue trillion dollar deficits.
Posted by: McCarthy, McConnell, McDaniels at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (/qa9n)
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We've kicked the can down the street some many times it's off a cliff now.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (ytSiK)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (zjgNU)
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Oh McCarthy *allowed* such votes. he even pretended to support such votes and work toward them. This was a con. McCarthy - and the rest of the Uniparty leadership - does *not* want regular order. Ever. For any reason. Far too much power and money is locked up in the omnibus. It is how the Party leaders wield power over the caucus and one of the ways they get stupendously rich. It is deeply corrupt and unaccountable, which is why the Uniparty has latched onto it so completely.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:04 AM (d04cU)
Of course. It gives everyone some sort of minimal plausible deniability.
"No, no, I wasn't voting for give a no bid contract to my son in law's fake company, I was voting to fund the VA. How could I not pay for the veterans? DO YOU WANT VETERANS DYING IN THE STREETS? You animal!"
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:04 AM (d04cU)
Of course. It gives everyone some sort of minimal plausible deniability.
"No, no, I wasn't voting for give a no bid contract to my son in law's fake company, I was voting to fund the VA. How could I not pay for the veterans? DO YOU WANT VETERANS DYING IN THE STREETS? You animal!"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 23, 2023 11:09 AM (mj0Qp)
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As long as we sustain grid lock no monies go to Ukie-Israli wars. Let's starve the beast and let Bibi do his job. Oh, and laugh at the tards in the Senate.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:09 AM (XetL6)
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I agree with every word of this post, Buck. The GOP is a dead party walking.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (USmzJ)
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It's preposterous and offensive and crooked as hell, which is why the Party needs hostages to make it work. The omnibus scheme has the ultimate hostage: the government itself. They *have* to pass it, or there will be a Dread Shutdown and lots of action nobody wants.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (d04cU)
It's like the vaunted "$6,350 hammer bought by NASA".... One $15 regular ass'd hardware store hammer, passed through 6,335 hands, with $1 tacked onto the bill each time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (d04cU)
It's like the vaunted "$6,350 hammer bought by NASA".... One $15 regular ass'd hardware store hammer, passed through 6,335 hands, with $1 tacked onto the bill each time.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (/EuRN)
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17 When Democrats get elected, Democrats get what they want.
When Republicans get elected, Democrats get what they want.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 23, 2023 11:06 AM (H9sxy)
Not being a believer in the benefits of democracy, I just hope neither time has fun.
When Republicans get elected, Democrats get what they want.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 23, 2023 11:06 AM (H9sxy)
Not being a believer in the benefits of democracy, I just hope neither time has fun.
Posted by: Oglebay at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (ogTiX)
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I'm voting for a meteor to hit the House during one of these votes. SMOD for speaker.
Posted by: brak at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (25k9m)
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Those 20 nay voters really need to be gone from the House.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (i+aOq)
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Anything for them better than a strong speaker who is conservative who’d actually carry out the wishes of the voters
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (GjXII)
No one who is "conservative" or otherwise wants to reign in anything in DC will ever get anywhere near the Speaker's gavel.
In fact, it's a minor miracle when one slips through and gets elected to Congress.
If they don't agree to drop the shit and play ball, they're out over one term.
Anyone in DC for more than one term is very likely corrupt and in on the grift.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (GjXII)
No one who is "conservative" or otherwise wants to reign in anything in DC will ever get anywhere near the Speaker's gavel.
In fact, it's a minor miracle when one slips through and gets elected to Congress.
If they don't agree to drop the shit and play ball, they're out over one term.
Anyone in DC for more than one term is very likely corrupt and in on the grift.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (mj0Qp)
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That is the game in a nutshell.
Produce a budget as called for by law means doing their jobs, which they don't wanna do. So they keep CRing the nation in the ass paying for all the democrats, moochers and looters pipe dreams and borrowing money to pay all the layabouts.
No Budget No Speaker, stick the CR's in Dr. Jill's Squeaker.
Produce a budget as called for by law means doing their jobs, which they don't wanna do. So they keep CRing the nation in the ass paying for all the democrats, moochers and looters pipe dreams and borrowing money to pay all the layabouts.
No Budget No Speaker, stick the CR's in Dr. Jill's Squeaker.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (R/m4+)
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Not being a believer in the benefits of democracy, I just hope neither time has fun.
"time" should be team. Darn statist fingers.
"time" should be team. Darn statist fingers.
Posted by: Oglebay at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (ogTiX)
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And just what are those Universities going to do with their endowments in the Colander Facemask Burning Times?
When Lord Humongous rolls up on their doorstep?
When Lord Humongous rolls up on their doorstep?
Posted by: XTC at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (sm6Pk)
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The omnibus scheme has the ultimate hostage: the government itself. They *have* to pass it, or there will be a Dread Shutdown and lots of action nobody wants.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (d04cU)
I uh, I kinda want a Dread Shutdown and lots of actions from that.
Americans can largely get by fine without the Federal Government.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:07 AM (d04cU)
I uh, I kinda want a Dread Shutdown and lots of actions from that.
Americans can largely get by fine without the Federal Government.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (xcxpd)
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House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul on Sunday bemoaned the nearly three weeks -- and counting -- that the chamber has gone without a speaker amid conservative infighting over how to fill the key leadership role.
"This is probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen, because if we don't have a speaker of the House, we can't govern," McCaul, a 10-term Republican lawmaker from Texas, told ABC "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl.
"The world's on fire. This is so dangerous what we're doing," McCaul said of the paralysis over choosing a speaker. "We have very important issues right now, war and peace, and we cannot deal with an aid package, or my resolution condemning Hamas and supporting Israel. We can't do that," he said. Most importantly, it's embarrassing because it empowers and emboldens our adversaries like Chairman Xi [Jinping] who says, you know, democracy doesn't work," McCaul said, referring to China's leader.
You’re the gang that really doesn’t believe in government because deep-down, you’re just a bunch of unruly five-year-olds stamping your little feet and yowling that nobody’s gonna tell YOU what to do.
"This is probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen, because if we don't have a speaker of the House, we can't govern," McCaul, a 10-term Republican lawmaker from Texas, told ABC "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl.
"The world's on fire. This is so dangerous what we're doing," McCaul said of the paralysis over choosing a speaker. "We have very important issues right now, war and peace, and we cannot deal with an aid package, or my resolution condemning Hamas and supporting Israel. We can't do that," he said. Most importantly, it's embarrassing because it empowers and emboldens our adversaries like Chairman Xi [Jinping] who says, you know, democracy doesn't work," McCaul said, referring to China's leader.
You’re the gang that really doesn’t believe in government because deep-down, you’re just a bunch of unruly five-year-olds stamping your little feet and yowling that nobody’s gonna tell YOU what to do.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 23, 2023 11:12 AM (JCZqz)
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It's like the vaunted "$6,350 hammer bought by NASA".... One $15 regular ass'd hardware store hammer, passed through 6,335 hands, with $1 tacked onto the bill each time.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (/EuRN)
There was a $$$$$ toilet seat out there, too.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (/EuRN)
There was a $$$$$ toilet seat out there, too.
Posted by: BignJames at October 23, 2023 11:12 AM (AwYPR)
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27 We've kicked the can down the street some many times it's off a cliff now.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (ytSiK)
And there's a $50 billion add-on to the next Not-A-Budget for research into the environmental impact of paving the sides of cliffs, and another $150 billion to study racially disparate impacts of cliff paving in underserved communities. In Laos.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (ytSiK)
And there's a $50 billion add-on to the next Not-A-Budget for research into the environmental impact of paving the sides of cliffs, and another $150 billion to study racially disparate impacts of cliff paving in underserved communities. In Laos.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:12 AM (/EuRN)
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32 A Space Hammer that can nail things to empty space.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:12 AM (MvF+J)
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I uh, I kinda want a Dread Shutdown and lots of actions from that.
oh no! they'll put parking cones in the pulloffs near Mt Rushmore again!
oh no! they'll put parking cones in the pulloffs near Mt Rushmore again!
Posted by: brak at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (25k9m)
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (bWsRe)
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No fan of McCarthy at all, but the simple fact is that none of the committees responsible for producing "regular order" spending bills did their job. There literally was no option available other than an omnibus.
Whoever is Speaker matters little if the rest of the caucus doesn't do the work.
Whoever is Speaker matters little if the rest of the caucus doesn't do the work.
Posted by: can of spam at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (7oNMO)
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They call us rubes until we start fighting back- then we are terrorists.
Fuck them sideways with a T-square.
Fuck them sideways with a T-square.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (OJLqX)
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I uh, I kinda want a Dread Shutdown and lots of actions from that.
Americans can largely get by fine without the Federal Government.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (xcxpd)
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Yes. The shutdowns are, of course, part of the scheme. It's for when someone gets too uppity - be it in the House, the Senate or the White House. When the shutdown happens, it's a field day because there only ever one solution: pass the worst bill imaginable.
Americans can largely get by fine without the Federal Government.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (xcxpd)
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Yes. The shutdowns are, of course, part of the scheme. It's for when someone gets too uppity - be it in the House, the Senate or the White House. When the shutdown happens, it's a field day because there only ever one solution: pass the worst bill imaginable.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (d04cU)
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No Budget No Speaker, stick the CR's in Dr. Jill's Squeaker.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (R/m4+)
That bitch ain't squeaked since 1973.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (R/m4+)
That bitch ain't squeaked since 1973.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (/EuRN)
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It's like the vaunted "$6,350 hammer bought by NASA".... One $15 regular ass'd hardware store hammer, passed through 6,335 hands, with $1 tacked onto the bill each time.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (/EuRN)
Yep. And that's where I think R voters sometimes misplace their anger.
It's not the fault of the guy making $60,000 a year working his balls off repaving a highway in 90 degree weather that the project to repave 10 miles of highway somehow cost tens of millions of dollars.
It's the fault of the government awarding contracts knowing that the 8 or 9 fake companies who "win" the contracts then go through several layers of subcontractors (each taking a cut, of course) before getting to the lowest bidder people doing the actual work.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:10 AM (/EuRN)
Yep. And that's where I think R voters sometimes misplace their anger.
It's not the fault of the guy making $60,000 a year working his balls off repaving a highway in 90 degree weather that the project to repave 10 miles of highway somehow cost tens of millions of dollars.
It's the fault of the government awarding contracts knowing that the 8 or 9 fake companies who "win" the contracts then go through several layers of subcontractors (each taking a cut, of course) before getting to the lowest bidder people doing the actual work.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (mj0Qp)
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Not to mention the Speaker fight proves for the 10,357th time than it's not that Republicans don't know how to fight-- it's that the only fights they'll take are against other Republicans
If they expended 1/10 the energy fighting Democrats as they are now spending fighting conservatives ....
Instead, it's all nasty, mean, vicious, gossip-mongering, backstabbing, lying, cheating, stealing and every other machinations of palace intrigue .... against and only against Republicans.
It's not that they can't fight Democrats, it's that they don't want to.
If they expended 1/10 the energy fighting Democrats as they are now spending fighting conservatives ....
Instead, it's all nasty, mean, vicious, gossip-mongering, backstabbing, lying, cheating, stealing and every other machinations of palace intrigue .... against and only against Republicans.
It's not that they can't fight Democrats, it's that they don't want to.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (BT0nw)
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All spending bills should be required to fit on a single 8"x11" one-sided page typed in size 12 font and double spaced. One bill, in plain English, for each item the federal government wishes to spend money on.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
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It's like the vaunted "$6,350 hammer bought by NASA".... One $15 regular ass'd hardware store hammer, passed through 6,335 hands, with $1 tacked onto the bill each time.
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Didn't that turn out to be more like $15 for the hammer and $6335 sent to off the books CIA shit?
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Didn't that turn out to be more like $15 for the hammer and $6335 sent to off the books CIA shit?
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (bWsRe)
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The Silent Majority @siIentmajority 21h
Nailed it!!! America First! Period!
Rep. Don Bacon 🇺🇸 @RepDonBacon 11h Replying to @siIentmajority @GuntherEagleman
Right out of the 1930s! Didn’t work out Bruh.
https://tinyurl.com/5en5mn9v
DC_Draino @DC_Draino 2h
Yes you’re reading this correctly
A “Republican” Congressman is comparing the America First movement to Nazi Germany
@RepDonBacon voted 3x against Jim Jordan b/c deep down he hates GOP voters
Don’t worry Don - the feelings are mutual
Enjoy that Sequoia/CCP $ while it lasts
Nailed it!!! America First! Period!
Rep. Don Bacon 🇺🇸 @RepDonBacon 11h Replying to @siIentmajority @GuntherEagleman
Right out of the 1930s! Didn’t work out Bruh.
https://tinyurl.com/5en5mn9v
DC_Draino @DC_Draino 2h
Yes you’re reading this correctly
A “Republican” Congressman is comparing the America First movement to Nazi Germany
@RepDonBacon voted 3x against Jim Jordan b/c deep down he hates GOP voters
Don’t worry Don - the feelings are mutual
Enjoy that Sequoia/CCP $ while it lasts
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 23, 2023 11:14 AM (krqg6)
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46 No speaker = no bills passed.
Why is this a bad thing?
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Its not. Just enjoy the theater.
Why is this a bad thing?
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Its not. Just enjoy the theater.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:14 AM (XetL6)
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A day of reckoning for the federal deficits and national debt is coming. Why not make that day now?
Posted by: Gabriel's Trumpet at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (Angsy)
That day is coming very fast.
I can only wonder what will happen when the economic driver of the world becomes Venezuela. (Maybe we'll be lucky and only become Argentina.)
Posted by: Gabriel's Trumpet at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (Angsy)
That day is coming very fast.
I can only wonder what will happen when the economic driver of the world becomes Venezuela. (Maybe we'll be lucky and only become Argentina.)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:14 AM (zjgNU)
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There is a reason that the gopE went from controlling the presidency, the senate, and the HOR to controlling nothing.... they want it that way.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 23, 2023 11:14 AM (17s+e)
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"Appearance of disarray".
Well, most things appear as what they are - with the obvious exceptions of purposeful deception and mistaken perceptions.
Thus, this appearance is not at all surprising...
"Appearance of disarray".
Well, most things appear as what they are - with the obvious exceptions of purposeful deception and mistaken perceptions.
Thus, this appearance is not at all surprising...
Posted by: Parker at October 23, 2023 11:14 AM (hJWil)
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A “Republican” Congressman is comparing the America First movement to Nazi Germany
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As I recall the NAZIs weren't isolationists.
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As I recall the NAZIs weren't isolationists.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:14 AM (XetL6)
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The one redeeming quality about Brown, was they used to have one of the great FM stations WBRU, but it went digital.
Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Brown University had a very busy drag weekend!
They invited a drag queen named “LaWhore Vagistan” to give a lecture and performance about drag.
Then one of their professors who’s pictured dressed as a drag queen held a “decolonize drag” event.
Imagine going into debt to study at a place like this and get educated by drag queens 🤡.
@BrownUniversity
Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Brown University had a very busy drag weekend!
They invited a drag queen named “LaWhore Vagistan” to give a lecture and performance about drag.
Then one of their professors who’s pictured dressed as a drag queen held a “decolonize drag” event.
Imagine going into debt to study at a place like this and get educated by drag queens 🤡.
@BrownUniversity
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 23, 2023 11:14 AM (TGPs7)
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I actually DONT believe in government, you daft trout. That's the POINT.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at October 23, 2023 11:14 AM (OJLqX)
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One bill, in plain English, for each item the federal government wishes to spend money on.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
Make 'em do it in Spanish, too.
On the same page.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
Make 'em do it in Spanish, too.
On the same page.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:15 AM (/EuRN)
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Agree.
The latest abomination: Biden asking Congress for $105 Billion.
$60 B Ukraine
$14 B Israel
$14 B Southern border and to fight Fentanyl crisis
$10 B Unspecified humanitarian efforts
$7 B Indo-Pacific region which includes Taiwan
A travesty but I repeat myself as I have already written the word Biden.
The latest abomination: Biden asking Congress for $105 Billion.
$60 B Ukraine
$14 B Israel
$14 B Southern border and to fight Fentanyl crisis
$10 B Unspecified humanitarian efforts
$7 B Indo-Pacific region which includes Taiwan
A travesty but I repeat myself as I have already written the word Biden.
Posted by: Cheri at October 23, 2023 11:15 AM (oiNtH)
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La Whore is a Vagistanian...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 23, 2023 11:15 AM (TGPs7)
66
"That day is coming very fast."
That's what I thought, 15 years ago. Sometimes, things that cannot continue, do, somehow.
That's what I thought, 15 years ago. Sometimes, things that cannot continue, do, somehow.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (MvF+J)
67
The media (incl. so-called conservative media) fixation on the Speaker election is as much a waste of time as sports talk shows. Especially when the candidates are essentially one flavor of swamp vs. another, except for Byron Donalds, anyway.
The House can't do anything until a Speaker is elected? Well then, take your time. There's no hurry on my account.
The House can't do anything until a Speaker is elected? Well then, take your time. There's no hurry on my account.
Posted by: pikkumatti at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (LNiNn)
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A "government shutdown" is a tool used to manufacture consent. Nothing else. When it happens, the government gets really nasty with the populace. They cut off nice things they needn't cut off (national parks, etc.) and threaten to play chicken with the bond market. They make things hard where they can and end things people actually want while doubling down on things nobody wants. And then the argument is very clear: "we pass this bill and all this bad stuff stops."
So they tighten the screws until the political situation becomes untenable, the opposing party (Congress or President, usually) blinks, people cheer, consent has been manufactured, and they get back to stealing.
So they tighten the screws until the political situation becomes untenable, the opposing party (Congress or President, usually) blinks, people cheer, consent has been manufactured, and they get back to stealing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (d04cU)
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One bill, in plain English, for each item the federal government wishes to spend money on.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
Make 'em do it in Spanish, too.
On the same page.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:15 AM (/EuRN)
Que?
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
Make 'em do it in Spanish, too.
On the same page.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:15 AM (/EuRN)
Que?
Posted by: Manuel at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (4I/2K)
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63 One bill, in plain English, for each item the federal government wishes to spend money on.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
Make 'em do it in Spanish, too.
On the same page.
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Make them read it on TV with a sign language interpreter.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
Make 'em do it in Spanish, too.
On the same page.
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Make them read it on TV with a sign language interpreter.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (XetL6)
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No fan of McCarthy at all, but the simple fact is that none of the committees responsible for producing "regular order" spending bills did their job. There literally was no option available other than an omnibus.
Whoever is Speaker matters little if the rest of the caucus doesn't do the work.
Posted by: can of spam
==
This is a lie. There are many appropriations bills sitting in the senate. Quit talking out of you ass.
Whoever is Speaker matters little if the rest of the caucus doesn't do the work.
Posted by: can of spam
==
This is a lie. There are many appropriations bills sitting in the senate. Quit talking out of you ass.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (17s+e)
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66 "That day is coming very fast."
That's what I thought, 15 years ago. Sometimes, things that cannot continue, do, somehow.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (MvF+J)
Yeah, I've been hearing 'this can't go on' since the mid-90's and here we are...still going on.
That's what I thought, 15 years ago. Sometimes, things that cannot continue, do, somehow.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (MvF+J)
Yeah, I've been hearing 'this can't go on' since the mid-90's and here we are...still going on.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (xcxpd)
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57 A day of reckoning for the federal deficits and national debt is coming. Why not make that day now?
Posted by: Gabriel's Trumpet at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (Angsy)
That day is coming very fast.
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I've been hearing about this imminent day of reckoning for 30+ years. It's the right's version of climate change. Eventually people stop listening.
Posted by: Gabriel's Trumpet at October 23, 2023 11:05 AM (Angsy)
That day is coming very fast.
___
I've been hearing about this imminent day of reckoning for 30+ years. It's the right's version of climate change. Eventually people stop listening.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (bWsRe)
Posted by: brak at October 23, 2023 11:17 AM (25k9m)
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... "The world's on fire. This is so dangerous what we're doing," McCaul said of the paralysis over choosing a speaker. "We have very important issues right now, war and peace, and we cannot deal with an aid package, or my resolution condemning Hamas and supporting Israel. We can't do that," he said. Most importantly, it's embarrassing because it empowers and emboldens our adversaries like Chairman Xi [Jinping] who says, you know, democracy doesn't work," McCaul said, referring to China's leader. ...
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 23, 2023 11:12 AM (JCZqz)
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Then get out of the way and install a conservative.
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that it's *my* side that is supposed to capitulate very time or we're monsters. When *your* side doesn't capitulate, you're statesmen. I'm a hostage-taker and you're a Great Man.
Like always.
Blow me.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 23, 2023 11:12 AM (JCZqz)
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Then get out of the way and install a conservative.
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that it's *my* side that is supposed to capitulate very time or we're monsters. When *your* side doesn't capitulate, you're statesmen. I'm a hostage-taker and you're a Great Man.
Like always.
Blow me.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:17 AM (d04cU)
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Like always.
Blow me.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:17 AM (d04cU)
Lol.... "Democracy doesn't work".... what the hell does this nincompoop think is happening here?
This is precisely what 'democracy working' looks like.
Blow me.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:17 AM (d04cU)
Lol.... "Democracy doesn't work".... what the hell does this nincompoop think is happening here?
This is precisely what 'democracy working' looks like.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:18 AM (/EuRN)
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The latest abomination: Biden asking Congress for $105 Billion.
$60 B Ukraine
$14 B Israel
$14 B Southern border and to fight Fentanyl crisis
$10 B Unspecified humanitarian efforts
$7 B Indo-Pacific region which includes Taiwan
A travesty but I repeat myself as I have already written the word Biden.
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You know the $14B for the border will go to the Big Guy, rite?
$60 B Ukraine
$14 B Israel
$14 B Southern border and to fight Fentanyl crisis
$10 B Unspecified humanitarian efforts
$7 B Indo-Pacific region which includes Taiwan
A travesty but I repeat myself as I have already written the word Biden.
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You know the $14B for the border will go to the Big Guy, rite?
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:18 AM (XetL6)
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Well, my laptop is getting low on battery, and soon I will be on the road to Houston to catch a plane. I will likely have some wait time in the airport.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 23, 2023 11:19 AM (f0Xel)
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Yeah, I've been hearing 'this can't go on' since the mid-90's and here we are...still going on.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (xcxpd)
There's a lot of ruin in a nation.
We're intent on finding out just how much it is.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (xcxpd)
There's a lot of ruin in a nation.
We're intent on finding out just how much it is.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:19 AM (zjgNU)
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$10 B Unspecified humanitarian efforts
Now that's funny.
"We're not sure what we need to do, but we're sure we need ten billion dollars to do it."
Now that's funny.
"We're not sure what we need to do, but we're sure we need ten billion dollars to do it."
Posted by: spindrift at October 23, 2023 11:19 AM (AUkrG)
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Posted by: can of spam
==
This is a lie. There are many appropriations bills sitting in the senate. Quit talking out of you ass.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable
The nic says it all, total spam.
==
This is a lie. There are many appropriations bills sitting in the senate. Quit talking out of you ass.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable
The nic says it all, total spam.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 23, 2023 11:19 AM (i+aOq)
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You know the $14B for the border will go to the Big Guy, rite?
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:18 AM (XetL6)
I thought he was the "Unspecified humanitarian effort".
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:18 AM (XetL6)
I thought he was the "Unspecified humanitarian effort".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:19 AM (/EuRN)
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That's what I thought, 15 years ago. Sometimes, things that cannot continue, do, somehow.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (MvF+J)
"How did you go bankrupt?"
"Slowly, then all at once"
We're near the end of the "slowly" phase.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (MvF+J)
"How did you go bankrupt?"
"Slowly, then all at once"
We're near the end of the "slowly" phase.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:20 AM (zjgNU)
84
Cannot agree with this more!
Posted by: SaltyD at October 23, 2023 11:20 AM (S4UpG)
85
There is still not a Speaker of the House of Representatives. I suppose I should be upset, because a great many conservative partisans and pundits whom I respect are distraught about this situation.
The SoH is mentioned exactly once in the Constitution - "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers". They could change the rules to temporarily proceed without a Speaker but they don't want to because they want a false sense of urgency to apply political pressure to enable them to continue robbing us blind while selling the country down the river.
The SoH is mentioned exactly once in the Constitution - "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers". They could change the rules to temporarily proceed without a Speaker but they don't want to because they want a false sense of urgency to apply political pressure to enable them to continue robbing us blind while selling the country down the river.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 23, 2023 11:20 AM (zhLdt)
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There literally was no option available other than an omnibus.
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The option to Omnibus is called Shut Down. We can do Brinkmanship just like the fagz.
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The option to Omnibus is called Shut Down. We can do Brinkmanship just like the fagz.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:20 AM (XetL6)
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You know the $14B for the border will go to the Big Guy, rite?
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:18 AM (XetL6)
I thought he was the "Unspecified humanitarian effort".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:19 AM (/EuRN)
A tax-deductible donation has been made in your name to The Human Fund.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:18 AM (XetL6)
I thought he was the "Unspecified humanitarian effort".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:19 AM (/EuRN)
A tax-deductible donation has been made in your name to The Human Fund.
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 23, 2023 11:20 AM (4I/2K)
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Works for me. As someone said over at Instapundit a couple of weeks ago: "I don't care any more -- just throw the grenade."
Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at October 23, 2023 11:20 AM (Yvzx0)
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Kurt Schlichter has a new column on this topic. He is of the "we shouldn't have done this without a plan" school. I usually like his stuff, but he was off base here, and really missed the point. He never mentioned the need to make it clear to the GOPe that we just aren't going to take it anymore. If that means burning down the world and handing the SoH to the Dems, so be it.
No, he isn't a RINO or a stooge, we just disagree.
https://tinyurl.com/yc2z23ef
No, he isn't a RINO or a stooge, we just disagree.
https://tinyurl.com/yc2z23ef
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:20 AM (I/Qkd)
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We are at the point where I would rather see the Republican Party collapse completely, no matter the consequences, rather than live with this farce of a party for one more day. Go ahead, make Hakeem Jeffries speaker, won't be any worse than it was.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 23, 2023 11:21 AM (i9ffA)
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:21 AM (bWsRe)
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All spending bills should be required to fit on a single 8"x11" one-sided page typed in size 12 font and double spaced. One bill, in plain English, for each item the federal government wishes to spend money on.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
But what about our phoney baloney jobs?
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (gmo/4)
But what about our phoney baloney jobs?
Posted by: Congress Critters, Staff and Their Whores at October 23, 2023 11:21 AM (R/m4+)
93
I've lost faith in Congress' ability to do anything responsibly, so I'm kind of happy with a Speaker-less House. One thing is certain, this upcoming edition of Government Shutdown Theater is going to have some plot twists unlike past productions.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 23, 2023 11:21 AM (zicBV)
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Rep. Don Bacon, used the term "Bruh". Apparently he has the personality of a teenager. Idiot. Top. Men. Top.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (gmo/4)
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The appropriately named Kimberly Sow, failed blond Donk California politician, openly denies the Holocaust and laughs about it.
https://tinyurl.com/3zb9vddp
https://tinyurl.com/3zb9vddp
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (FVME7)
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He is of the "we shouldn't have done this without a plan" school.
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Schlicter is a spaz.
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Schlicter is a spaz.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (XetL6)
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Lol.... "Democracy doesn't work".... what the hell does this nincompoop think is happening here?
This is precisely what 'democracy working' looks like.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:18 AM
But wait...the article said he's a Rep from Texas, so he's gotta be a stalwart on our side, right? Just like 'Ole One Eye?
This is precisely what 'democracy working' looks like.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:18 AM
But wait...the article said he's a Rep from Texas, so he's gotta be a stalwart on our side, right? Just like 'Ole One Eye?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (JCZqz)
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I've been hearing about this imminent day of reckoning for 30+ years. It's the right's version of climate change. Eventually people stop listening.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (bWsRe)
Climate change is a nebulous idea that the left changes to mean whatever they want.
The massive government debt is a specific, verifiable, and growing number.
But otherwise, yeah, they're the same.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (bWsRe)
Climate change is a nebulous idea that the left changes to mean whatever they want.
The massive government debt is a specific, verifiable, and growing number.
But otherwise, yeah, they're the same.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (zjgNU)
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Until House Republicans Commit to Eliminating Omnibus Spending Bills, I Can’t Be Bothered to Care about the Speaker Situation
On a similar note: until the federal government stops the invasion of the (formerly) United States as per its explicit obligation under Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution, I can't be bothered to care about foreign conflicts.
On a similar note: until the federal government stops the invasion of the (formerly) United States as per its explicit obligation under Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution, I can't be bothered to care about foreign conflicts.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 23, 2023 11:23 AM (DTX3h)
100
Every day that Congress is not legislating is another day when my liberty and wealth is not being further stolen.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:23 AM (aD39U)
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94 Rep. Don Bacon, used the term "Bruh". Apparently he has the personality of a teenager. Idiot. Top. Men. Top.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM
Voters, sending...not best. Washington! Good night!
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM
Voters, sending...not best. Washington! Good night!
Posted by: Senator Fettermonster at October 23, 2023 11:23 AM (JCZqz)
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But otherwise, yeah, they're the same.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (zjgNU)
Different keys for different locks, but they all jangle just the same.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (zjgNU)
Different keys for different locks, but they all jangle just the same.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:23 AM (/EuRN)
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No fan of McCarthy at all, but the simple fact is that none of the committees responsible for producing "regular order" spending bills did their job. There literally was no option available other than an omnibus. ...
Posted by: can of spam at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (7oNMO)
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McCarthy's *job* is to whip the caucus and committee dealers into shape and manage the damn schedule. He didn't. He deferred and deprioritized the entire time until the deadline approached - then he recessed the House instead of holding their feet to the fire to get it done.
After the recess - which ended any chance of regular order - he put forward a CR - "The Freedom Caucus' *own* CR" as people who don't get it keep pointing out - to finish off any talk about returning to regular order.
He biffed the schedule so badly it had to have been on purpose, then put forward a CR drafted by his opponents so as to hamstring them - "no more complaints about CRs when we got *yours* through." This was a cynical ploy to never deliver on regular order and marginalize the internal opposition by trapping them.
McCarthy deserves what he got.
Posted by: can of spam at October 23, 2023 11:13 AM (7oNMO)
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McCarthy's *job* is to whip the caucus and committee dealers into shape and manage the damn schedule. He didn't. He deferred and deprioritized the entire time until the deadline approached - then he recessed the House instead of holding their feet to the fire to get it done.
After the recess - which ended any chance of regular order - he put forward a CR - "The Freedom Caucus' *own* CR" as people who don't get it keep pointing out - to finish off any talk about returning to regular order.
He biffed the schedule so badly it had to have been on purpose, then put forward a CR drafted by his opponents so as to hamstring them - "no more complaints about CRs when we got *yours* through." This was a cynical ploy to never deliver on regular order and marginalize the internal opposition by trapping them.
McCarthy deserves what he got.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:23 AM (d04cU)
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Bacon's district voted 52% for Biden and also went for Obama in 2008. So it's really a Democrat district and he's just representing his constitutes.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:24 AM (bWsRe)
105
93 I've lost faith in Congress' ability to do anything responsibly, so I'm kind of happy with a Speaker-less House. One thing is certain, this upcoming edition of Government Shutdown Theater is going to have some plot twists unlike past productions.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 23, 2023 11:21 AM (zicBV)
The plot twists will be bedding down with the Democrats.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 23, 2023 11:21 AM (zicBV)
The plot twists will be bedding down with the Democrats.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 23, 2023 11:24 AM (N39Ws)
106
The appropriately named Kimberly Sow, failed blond Donk California politician, openly denies the Holocaust and laughs about it.
https://tinyurl.com/3zb9vddp
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM
I assume she's being drummed out of the Democratic Party.
https://tinyurl.com/3zb9vddp
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM
I assume she's being drummed out of the Democratic Party.
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at October 23, 2023 11:24 AM (HfNu5)
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Climate change is a nebulous idea that the left changes to mean whatever they want.
The massive government debt is a specific, verifiable, and growing number.
But otherwise, yeah, they're the same.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (zjgNU)
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Way to miss my point.
The massive government debt is a specific, verifiable, and growing number.
But otherwise, yeah, they're the same.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:22 AM (zjgNU)
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Way to miss my point.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:24 AM (bWsRe)
108
Bank Rate, published today:
Retail Credit Card Interest Rates Reach New Highs
And,
Wallet Hub, Historical Credit Card Interest Rates, Oct. 20, 2023
Tough to keep all of the people, places and things.
Retail Credit Card Interest Rates Reach New Highs
And,
Wallet Hub, Historical Credit Card Interest Rates, Oct. 20, 2023
Tough to keep all of the people, places and things.
Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at October 23, 2023 11:24 AM (GshMh)
109
I live down the block from Estwing. I should ask around about Space Hammers. NASA likes to wrap their stuff up in gold foil, so they'll need that. I picture a Space Hammer having an antenna, itty bitty thrusters, and explosive bolts to jettison the hammerhead in an emergency. Maybe a built-in first-aid kit for when an astronaut bangs his thumb against space.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:24 AM (MvF+J)
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88 Works for me. As someone said over at Instapundit a couple of weeks ago: "I don't care any more -- just throw the grenade."
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Yeah. We've had nearly 15 straight years of them throwing bombs endlessly at us so its our turn. Let's see who loses and eye.
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Yeah. We've had nearly 15 straight years of them throwing bombs endlessly at us so its our turn. Let's see who loses and eye.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:25 AM (XetL6)
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At this point, if the House is doing something, I probably disagree with it. If they are doing nothing, I'm good.
Posted by: dandydon at October 23, 2023 11:25 AM (29gSO)
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My fear in all of this is that the senate will get tired of waiting and will deem itself as the controllers of the nation's purse. And the house will let them.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 23, 2023 11:25 AM (BdMk6)
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Different keys for different locks, but they all jangle just the same.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:23 AM (/EuRN)
I've got a brand new pair of roller skates, you've got a brand new key...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:23 AM (/EuRN)
I've got a brand new pair of roller skates, you've got a brand new key...
Posted by: Melanie at October 23, 2023 11:26 AM (OJLqX)
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If you don't agree with the Democratic proposals lock, stock and barrel, you're a far-right extremist who won't compromise.
(see also: abortion)
If you don't agree with the Democratic proposals lock, stock and barrel, you're a far-right extremist who won't compromise.
(see also: abortion)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 23, 2023 11:26 AM (MoZTd)
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Go ahead, make Hakeem Jeffries speaker, won't be any worse than it was.
Yes, it will be worse, have no illusion about that. However, it is apparently necessary that it get worse for the holdout obstructionists on the left of the GOPe to get the message. That's on them.
Yes, it will be worse, have no illusion about that. However, it is apparently necessary that it get worse for the holdout obstructionists on the left of the GOPe to get the message. That's on them.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:26 AM (I/Qkd)
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said it last week, probably the week before, I'll say it again;
if I could care less, I would.
At this point chaos* seems vastly preferable.
* if it really is chaos; actually I think the work of destruction will go on unimpeded regardless. if 105 billion is not appropriated, it can still be printed and spent, and it will be. the pretense of legality was useful in its day, but that day is long passed.
if I could care less, I would.
At this point chaos* seems vastly preferable.
* if it really is chaos; actually I think the work of destruction will go on unimpeded regardless. if 105 billion is not appropriated, it can still be printed and spent, and it will be. the pretense of legality was useful in its day, but that day is long passed.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at October 23, 2023 11:26 AM (+vFC3)
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Totally agree. National debt up.$5 Trillion under Biden in less than 2-1/2 years. Wait for the big finish!
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 23, 2023 11:27 AM (XizFB)
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The greatest achievement of Obama (with the assist from W) was the huge "one-time" trillion dollar budget that turned into the new normal.
It literally made every single politician on both sides completely insane with greed.
Suddenly, unthinkable fecklessness and economic betrayal of all citizens became very thinkable because...I'm gettin' paid, Jack.
And from there really it was nothing but "Gettin' paid, Jack!!!" by taking bribes from China, Iran, and Ukraine.
Not sure how you turn that around, because now their job is "Gettin' paid, Jack!" and you're a horrible racist, violent, danger to our precious democracy if you want fiscal sanity restored.
The greatest achievement of Obama (with the assist from W) was the huge "one-time" trillion dollar budget that turned into the new normal.
It literally made every single politician on both sides completely insane with greed.
Suddenly, unthinkable fecklessness and economic betrayal of all citizens became very thinkable because...I'm gettin' paid, Jack.
And from there really it was nothing but "Gettin' paid, Jack!!!" by taking bribes from China, Iran, and Ukraine.
Not sure how you turn that around, because now their job is "Gettin' paid, Jack!" and you're a horrible racist, violent, danger to our precious democracy if you want fiscal sanity restored.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 23, 2023 11:27 AM (QzZeQ)
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I've been hearing about this imminent day of reckoning for 30+ years. It's the right's version of climate change. Eventually people stop listening.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (bWsRe)
A lot of Americans are innumerate.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:16 AM (bWsRe)
A lot of Americans are innumerate.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:27 AM (aD39U)
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Way to miss my point.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:24 AM (bWsRe)
You're saying because the very real bomb hasn't exploded, it's just the same as the imaginary one the left keeps in their closet.
No, I get it. People who can't do math get bored when you make them think.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:24 AM (bWsRe)
You're saying because the very real bomb hasn't exploded, it's just the same as the imaginary one the left keeps in their closet.
No, I get it. People who can't do math get bored when you make them think.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:27 AM (zjgNU)
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I still feel dirty for voting for McCain or Romney.
Posted by: Darth Randall at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (xT7BI)
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Expecting anything but omnibus bills is a Longshot. That would require our reps to know what was in the individual bills which is way too much work. Also the mess that is an omnibus bill allows for a lot of graft and corruption.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (Hkykl)
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He is of the "we shouldn't have done this without a plan" school.
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Schlicter is a spaz.
Perhaps we could for once not form a circular firing squad.
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Schlicter is a spaz.
Perhaps we could for once not form a circular firing squad.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (I/Qkd)
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I agree with the sentiment, but seeing this play out enough times, it's either you can get some small victories or you lose everything.
It's not like it's Newt's Class of '94 where he had this lopsided majority. Something like 4 Republicans defect and Biden gets absolutely everything he wants.
The real issue is not the Speaker, it's that 2022 wasn't a Red Wave at all.
It's not like it's Newt's Class of '94 where he had this lopsided majority. Something like 4 Republicans defect and Biden gets absolutely everything he wants.
The real issue is not the Speaker, it's that 2022 wasn't a Red Wave at all.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (wMRY8)
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McCarthy was instrumental in helping McConnell tank the Republican candidates of "questionable quality" during the midterms. As caucus leader (minority leader at the time) of the House he controlled many of the reelection purse strings and pulled them at McConnell's request.
It's part of why there wasn't a "red wave."
In the final analysis though, it's really a pissing contest to see where one sits at the grifting table. What the base wants is completely irrelevant to their own self interests.
It's part of why there wasn't a "red wave."
In the final analysis though, it's really a pissing contest to see where one sits at the grifting table. What the base wants is completely irrelevant to their own self interests.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (Q4IgG)
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122 Expecting anything but omnibus bills is a Longshot. That would require our reps to know what was in the individual bills which is way too much work. Also the mess that is an omnibus bill allows for a lot of graft and corruption.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (Hkykl)
Somehow, by hook or crook, install a president who vows to never sign a single omnibus bill.
And then actually keeps that fucking vow.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (Hkykl)
Somehow, by hook or crook, install a president who vows to never sign a single omnibus bill.
And then actually keeps that fucking vow.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (/EuRN)
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Circular firing squads have efficiency going for them.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (OJLqX)
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Trump raised the debt $3 Trillion in 3 years, bitbthe fourth was a Covid blowout
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (XizFB)
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I still feel dirty for voting for McCain or Romney.
Posted by: Darth Randall at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (xT7BI)
I was so relieved when Romney lost.
I didn't have to spend 4 years worrying how he would betray me.
Posted by: Darth Randall at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (xT7BI)
I was so relieved when Romney lost.
I didn't have to spend 4 years worrying how he would betray me.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (zjgNU)
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Here is my favorite paragraph from Ohio Issue 1 on the ballot this November:
"Always allow an unborn child to be aborted at any stage of pregnancy, regardless of viability if, in the treating physician's determination, the abortion is necessary to protect the pregnant woman's life or health."
"Always allow an unborn child to be aborted at any stage of pregnancy, regardless of viability if, in the treating physician's determination, the abortion is necessary to protect the pregnant woman's life or health."
Posted by: Oglebay at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (ogTiX)
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In the immortal words of Rock Master Scott:
The roof! The roof! The roof is on fire!
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn!
Burn, Motherfucker, Burn.
The roof! The roof! The roof is on fire!
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn!
Burn, Motherfucker, Burn.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (aD39U)
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I have little use for McCarthy- but he got a raw deal.
I ABSOLUTELY agree that we need to get back to the 12 Authorization Bills- it is just a bit crappy to dump on McCarthy for a 45 day CR when the House hadn't gotten more than half of them out of Committee yet.
45 days for the House to get their shit together was not that terrible.
Instead, now they look like a bunch of incompetent idiots.
I ABSOLUTELY agree that we need to get back to the 12 Authorization Bills- it is just a bit crappy to dump on McCarthy for a 45 day CR when the House hadn't gotten more than half of them out of Committee yet.
45 days for the House to get their shit together was not that terrible.
Instead, now they look like a bunch of incompetent idiots.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (qySYq)
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I agree with the sentiment, but seeing this play out enough times, it's either you can get some small victories or you lose everything.
Ah, but that's the point. If all we're going to get is small victories, then now is the time to throw the dice on a high risk-high reward gamble. At some point, this showdown has to happen. I'd prefer it not be when there's a lot at stake.
Ah, but that's the point. If all we're going to get is small victories, then now is the time to throw the dice on a high risk-high reward gamble. At some point, this showdown has to happen. I'd prefer it not be when there's a lot at stake.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (I/Qkd)
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a quick check shows all three Texas reps are on the appropriations committee with Kay Granger as chair even. I have not seen a response from any of them.
Matt Gaetz did a wonderful job of exposing the traitors in the party.
Mike McCall (R-Tx) has refused to provide any kind of audit for the spending in Ukraine.
Both the Texas and national gop are seriously compromised when it comes to doing the opposite of what they say they will do. My hunch its the payola.
Matt Gaetz did a wonderful job of exposing the traitors in the party.
Mike McCall (R-Tx) has refused to provide any kind of audit for the spending in Ukraine.
Both the Texas and national gop are seriously compromised when it comes to doing the opposite of what they say they will do. My hunch its the payola.
Posted by: DanMan at October 23, 2023 11:31 AM (8uzBS)
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128 Trump raised the debt $3 Trillion in 3 years, bitbthe fourth was a Covid blowout
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (XizFB)
Looking at a chart it doesn't seem like Trump had any deficits higher than 1T until 2020 which ballooned to 3T.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (XizFB)
Looking at a chart it doesn't seem like Trump had any deficits higher than 1T until 2020 which ballooned to 3T.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:31 AM (eYoxG)
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*clarification, Trump didn't have 1T deficits prior to Covid.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:31 AM (eYoxG)
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Well said.
I have zero interest in resuming business as usual in the house of representatives. The House will resume shoveling money to the police state, to Ukraine, and to their various other palz and pets overseas. And they will continue ignoring the invasion from the south. Sorry, I’m a hard pass on all of that. My days as a GOP chump are over.
I have zero interest in resuming business as usual in the house of representatives. The House will resume shoveling money to the police state, to Ukraine, and to their various other palz and pets overseas. And they will continue ignoring the invasion from the south. Sorry, I’m a hard pass on all of that. My days as a GOP chump are over.
Posted by: Ex GOP at October 23, 2023 11:31 AM (V3K4b)
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That's the way the Cookie crumbles.
Alyssa Milano
@Alyssa_Milano
Dear @POTUS
We come together as artists and advocates, but most importantly as human beings witnessing the devastating loss of lives and unfolding horrors in Israel and Palestine.
We ask that, as President of the United States, you call for an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Gaza and Israel before another life is lost. More than 4,000 people have been killed in the last week and a half - a number any person of conscience knows is catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
https://tinyurl.com/59u32kfv
There's considerably more to her statement but you get the gist. Here's a list of her celebrity fellow travelers.
https://tinyurl.com/3szfew5h
https://tinyurl.com/3easbyz9
Alyssa Milano
@Alyssa_Milano
Dear @POTUS
We come together as artists and advocates, but most importantly as human beings witnessing the devastating loss of lives and unfolding horrors in Israel and Palestine.
We ask that, as President of the United States, you call for an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Gaza and Israel before another life is lost. More than 4,000 people have been killed in the last week and a half - a number any person of conscience knows is catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
https://tinyurl.com/59u32kfv
There's considerably more to her statement but you get the gist. Here's a list of her celebrity fellow travelers.
https://tinyurl.com/3szfew5h
https://tinyurl.com/3easbyz9
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:32 AM (FVME7)
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135 2020 was disastrous in every respect.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:32 AM (MvF+J)
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I ABSOLUTELY agree that we need to get back to the 12 Authorization Bills- it is just a bit crappy to dump on McCarthy for a 45 day CR when the House hadn't gotten more than half of them out of Committee yet.
If it wasn't his job to get them out of Committee, what would you say he does here?
If it wasn't his job to get them out of Committee, what would you say he does here?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:32 AM (I/Qkd)
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Ah, but that's the point. If all we're going to get is small victories, then now is the time to throw the dice on a high risk-high reward gamble. At some point, this showdown has to happen. I'd prefer it not be when there's a lot at stake.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (I/Qkd)
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Showdowns only happen when a lot is at stake. There's no reason for one otherwise. Even if it looks like there is little at stake in a showdown, you can be sure that at least one part of that showdown is about - or thinks he is about to - lose everything.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (I/Qkd)
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Showdowns only happen when a lot is at stake. There's no reason for one otherwise. Even if it looks like there is little at stake in a showdown, you can be sure that at least one part of that showdown is about - or thinks he is about to - lose everything.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:32 AM (d04cU)
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NeverTrump Republicans are pissed that Sampson brought down the temple because .01% of the temple budget is donated to Dragon's Orphanage (run by the oldest son of the temple high priest).
Never you mind that 99.9% was for paganism and offenses against God.
"How can you support that evil Sampson?! Orphans will now be starving in the streets!"
That's how all the whiners of "what was Gaetz' plan?!" sound.
Never you mind that 99.9% was for paganism and offenses against God.
"How can you support that evil Sampson?! Orphans will now be starving in the streets!"
That's how all the whiners of "what was Gaetz' plan?!" sound.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 23, 2023 11:32 AM (BT0nw)
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Deficits under Trump
2017: $665B
2018: $779B
2019: $983B
And 2020, well we all know how that went.
Biden just took the torch from Trump and kept running with it.
2017: $665B
2018: $779B
2019: $983B
And 2020, well we all know how that went.
Biden just took the torch from Trump and kept running with it.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:33 AM (bWsRe)
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121 I still feel dirty for voting for McCain or Romney.
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Yep. Quislings R US.
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Yep. Quislings R US.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:33 AM (n14bF)
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We come together as artists and advocates
Thank you for telling me up front why to ignore what follows.
Thank you for telling me up front why to ignore what follows.
Posted by: spindrift at October 23, 2023 11:33 AM (AUkrG)
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>>Gerry Owen at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM
McCarthy called for an August recess with 5/12 of the authorizations. Less than a week into September he was angling for a CR. He had to go.
McCarthy called for an August recess with 5/12 of the authorizations. Less than a week into September he was angling for a CR. He had to go.
Posted by: DanMan at October 23, 2023 11:34 AM (8uzBS)
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Alyssa Milano
@Alyssa_Milano
Dear @POTUS
We come together as artists and advocates, but most importantly as human beings witnessing the devastating loss of lives and unfolding horrors in Israel and Palestine.
We ask that, as President of the United States, you call for an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Gaza and Israel before another life is lost. More than 4,000 people have been killed in the last week and a half - a number any person of conscience knows is catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
Oh, f*** off, you brainless, silicone-enhanced, waayyyy past her prim, twat.
Also, I love how they're "artists" and "advocates". Artist is not the word that comes to mind when I think of you (very, very rarely).
@Alyssa_Milano
Dear @POTUS
We come together as artists and advocates, but most importantly as human beings witnessing the devastating loss of lives and unfolding horrors in Israel and Palestine.
We ask that, as President of the United States, you call for an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Gaza and Israel before another life is lost. More than 4,000 people have been killed in the last week and a half - a number any person of conscience knows is catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
Oh, f*** off, you brainless, silicone-enhanced, waayyyy past her prim, twat.
Also, I love how they're "artists" and "advocates". Artist is not the word that comes to mind when I think of you (very, very rarely).
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:34 AM (I/Qkd)
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Adjusted for inflation, Trump's 2019 $983B deficit would be well over $1T in 2023 dollars.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (bWsRe)
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It's all fun until enough Republicans in the House vote "present" and the Democrats use a carefully planned parliamentary attack to elect Hakeem Jeffries as the Speaker and basically overturn the last House election.
Overturning elections is cool when Democrats do it.
Overturning elections is cool when Democrats do it.
Posted by: MartynWW at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (sHP7b)
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I'd prefer it not be when there's a lot at stake.
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What's at stake? Please explain. Stolen Elections, Plandemics, Endless War, Moar Degreed Retards....
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What's at stake? Please explain. Stolen Elections, Plandemics, Endless War, Moar Degreed Retards....
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (n14bF)
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The notion that Congress should micromanage spending down to the 1/10,000 of a percentage is completely unrealistic.
Posted by: You Know Who at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (8M9ZR)
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Why do the federales run deficits?
Can't they count?
Tra la la, tra la la, la
Tra la la, tra la la, la
One banana, two banana, three banana, four
All bananas make a split, so do many more...
Can't they count?
Tra la la, tra la la, la
Tra la la, tra la la, la
One banana, two banana, three banana, four
All bananas make a split, so do many more...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (R/m4+)
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"A day of reckoning for the federal deficits and national debt is coming. Why not make that day now?"
You mean a default. A default is coming, on the ~140 trillion in unfunded liabilties + stated national debt, not even counting what happens if the structure of how we're paying back treasuries blows up.
We have not had an actual federal budget in a decade and a half and are not likely to get one this side of the fiscal singularity. At this point, I think we're much more likely to arrive at the Great Global Jab Freakout (once people figure out what was done to them) before the dollar collapses - which is probably deliberate.
You mean a default. A default is coming, on the ~140 trillion in unfunded liabilties + stated national debt, not even counting what happens if the structure of how we're paying back treasuries blows up.
We have not had an actual federal budget in a decade and a half and are not likely to get one this side of the fiscal singularity. At this point, I think we're much more likely to arrive at the Great Global Jab Freakout (once people figure out what was done to them) before the dollar collapses - which is probably deliberate.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (p61dW)
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Showdowns only happen when a lot is at stake. There's no reason for one otherwise. Even if it looks like there is little at stake in a showdown, you can be sure that at least one part of that showdown is about - or thinks he is about to - lose everything.
Fair.
Fair.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (I/Qkd)
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:32 AM (FVME7)
It's fucking tiresome. This vapid, mindless pose they strike.
They're not anti-Evil. They're pro-Evil. They wish for evil to succeed and not be stopped or suppressed. They wish for atrocities to continue unhindered.
This ignorant charade has been acted out for centuries now by people who think they're Better Than Everyone Else.
It's fucking tiresome. This vapid, mindless pose they strike.
They're not anti-Evil. They're pro-Evil. They wish for evil to succeed and not be stopped or suppressed. They wish for atrocities to continue unhindered.
This ignorant charade has been acted out for centuries now by people who think they're Better Than Everyone Else.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:36 AM (/EuRN)
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have little use for McCarthy- but he got a raw deal.
I ABSOLUTELY agree that we need to get back to the 12 Authorization Bills- it is just a bit crappy to dump on McCarthy for a 45 day CR when the House hadn't gotten more than half of them out of Committee yet.
45 days for the House to get their shit together was not that terrible.
Instead, now they look like a bunch of incompetent idiots.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (qySYq)
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It was his job to manage the caucus and the committees and, crucially, the schedule. He didn't. A return to regular order is not "on track" and never was. It was a show, and that show came to its end as it had been managed and designed to end. Then the consolation prize the Freedom Caucus' short-term CR with some cuts that can be easily reversed later, and subsequent boxing-in of the Freedom Caucus courtesy of the hypocrisy trap (we passed *your* CR, bub - you have no room to complain).
It was cynical in the extreme and in any other situation, it would have worked brilliantly. The variable McCarthy failed to manage was Gaetz. He decided to use the nuclear option, and bombed his ass out of the Speaker's office.
I ABSOLUTELY agree that we need to get back to the 12 Authorization Bills- it is just a bit crappy to dump on McCarthy for a 45 day CR when the House hadn't gotten more than half of them out of Committee yet.
45 days for the House to get their shit together was not that terrible.
Instead, now they look like a bunch of incompetent idiots.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 23, 2023 11:30 AM (qySYq)
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It was his job to manage the caucus and the committees and, crucially, the schedule. He didn't. A return to regular order is not "on track" and never was. It was a show, and that show came to its end as it had been managed and designed to end. Then the consolation prize the Freedom Caucus' short-term CR with some cuts that can be easily reversed later, and subsequent boxing-in of the Freedom Caucus courtesy of the hypocrisy trap (we passed *your* CR, bub - you have no room to complain).
It was cynical in the extreme and in any other situation, it would have worked brilliantly. The variable McCarthy failed to manage was Gaetz. He decided to use the nuclear option, and bombed his ass out of the Speaker's office.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:36 AM (d04cU)
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Ah, but that's the point. If all we're going to get is small victories, then now is the time to throw the dice on a high risk-high reward gamble. At some point, this showdown has to happen. I'd prefer it not be when there's a lot at stake.
Posted by: Archimedes
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I just think the reality is a Speaker tries to do something and enough of his members say "nope, not voting for that, I have a tough race and that will paint me in a bad light" and then what?
We just saw where 2 "more conservative" Speakers got voted down. If you can't even start there, good luck getting them to vote to shut down government agencies.
Posted by: Archimedes
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I just think the reality is a Speaker tries to do something and enough of his members say "nope, not voting for that, I have a tough race and that will paint me in a bad light" and then what?
We just saw where 2 "more conservative" Speakers got voted down. If you can't even start there, good luck getting them to vote to shut down government agencies.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:36 AM (wMRY8)
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Doom.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:36 AM (aD39U)
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> We come together as artists and advocates
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War, Inc. needs to do a better job at publishing the deaths in Ukraine - Russia from that little dust up. It's all propaganda anyway.
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War, Inc. needs to do a better job at publishing the deaths in Ukraine - Russia from that little dust up. It's all propaganda anyway.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 23, 2023 11:36 AM (Q4IgG)
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I endorse this post.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 23, 2023 11:37 AM (Mzdiz)
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What's at stake? Please explain. Stolen Elections, Plandemics, Endless War, Moar Degreed Retards....
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (n14bF)
And we could lose ALL of that if you don't donate today!
-the GOP
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (n14bF)
And we could lose ALL of that if you don't donate today!
-the GOP
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:37 AM (/EuRN)
162
"That day is coming very fast."
That's what I thought, 15 years ago. Sometimes, things that cannot continue, do, somehow.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed
I've been thinking what cannot go on will stop for more like 30 years. Yet here we are and no signs of it slowing down. It will be a wild ride if reality ever assert itself.
That's what I thought, 15 years ago. Sometimes, things that cannot continue, do, somehow.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed
I've been thinking what cannot go on will stop for more like 30 years. Yet here we are and no signs of it slowing down. It will be a wild ride if reality ever assert itself.
Posted by: Ripley at October 23, 2023 11:37 AM (JojsZ)
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121 I still feel dirty for voting for McCain or Romney.
You can't be blamed for not knowing then what you know now.
Now that the masks are off ... well that's a different story.
You can't be blamed for not knowing then what you know now.
Now that the masks are off ... well that's a different story.
Posted by: Just Lily at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (JyHlc)
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I've been thinking what cannot go on will stop for more like 30 years. Yet here we are and no signs of it slowing down. It will be a wild ride if reality ever assert itself.
Posted by: Ripley at October 23, 2023 11:37 AM (JojsZ)
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It will. Interest rates will see to that.
Posted by: Ripley at October 23, 2023 11:37 AM (JojsZ)
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It will. Interest rates will see to that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (d04cU)
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@varadmehta
No one knows what it sounded like when the dinosaurs raged against the dying light of the Chicxulub impactor. But scientists believe this editorial demanding the Republican field consolidate behind Nikki Haley is a close approximation.
No one knows what it sounded like when the dinosaurs raged against the dying light of the Chicxulub impactor. But scientists believe this editorial demanding the Republican field consolidate behind Nikki Haley is a close approximation.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (44ww/)
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153 "A day of reckoning for the federal deficits and national debt is coming. Why not make that day now?"
You mean a default. A default is coming, on the ~140 trillion in unfunded liabilties + stated national debt, not even counting what happens if the structure of how we're paying back treasuries blows up.
We have not had an actual federal budget in a decade and a half and are not likely to get one this side of the fiscal singularity. At this point, I think we're much more likely to arrive at the Great Global Jab Freakout (once people figure out what was done to them) before the dollar collapses - which is probably deliberate.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (p61dW)
More likely is massive money printing and inflation since our debt is USD denominated than a technical default.
Usually takes about 5-10 years to recover from, assuming nothing else is going wrong.
You mean a default. A default is coming, on the ~140 trillion in unfunded liabilties + stated national debt, not even counting what happens if the structure of how we're paying back treasuries blows up.
We have not had an actual federal budget in a decade and a half and are not likely to get one this side of the fiscal singularity. At this point, I think we're much more likely to arrive at the Great Global Jab Freakout (once people figure out what was done to them) before the dollar collapses - which is probably deliberate.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:35 AM (p61dW)
More likely is massive money printing and inflation since our debt is USD denominated than a technical default.
Usually takes about 5-10 years to recover from, assuming nothing else is going wrong.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (eYoxG)
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@41
>>"This is probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen, because if we don't have a speaker of the House, we can't govern," McCaul, a 10-term Republican lawmaker from Texas, told ABC "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl.
As has been noted, The GOP has controlled the power of the purse, ie, The House of Reprentatives for 20 of the last 28 years, in that time the Debt has gone from 5 Trillion Dollars to 33 trillion dollars, in the last debt ceiling hike, the GOP agreed to add another 4 trillion to the debt.
This fiction that the GOP gives a wet fart about the debt or governing is hog swallop.
When Trump was first elected his first budget request was for a balanced budget, the GOP who controlled both chambers, told him his budget was DOA.
And this is when alleged Budget Hawk Paul Ryan was SOH.
The GOP is an illegitimate political party, full stop.
And is not the answer to our problems and in many ways is a hindrance to any solution being possible through electoral politics.
>>"This is probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen, because if we don't have a speaker of the House, we can't govern," McCaul, a 10-term Republican lawmaker from Texas, told ABC "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl.
As has been noted, The GOP has controlled the power of the purse, ie, The House of Reprentatives for 20 of the last 28 years, in that time the Debt has gone from 5 Trillion Dollars to 33 trillion dollars, in the last debt ceiling hike, the GOP agreed to add another 4 trillion to the debt.
This fiction that the GOP gives a wet fart about the debt or governing is hog swallop.
When Trump was first elected his first budget request was for a balanced budget, the GOP who controlled both chambers, told him his budget was DOA.
And this is when alleged Budget Hawk Paul Ryan was SOH.
The GOP is an illegitimate political party, full stop.
And is not the answer to our problems and in many ways is a hindrance to any solution being possible through electoral politics.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (HE2Ga)
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Biden just took the torch from Trump and kept running with it.
Posted by: Montec
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Trump is awful on fiscal issues. He has never been a small government conservative.
He just throws out some meaningless boob bait, but the reality is he was far worse than Obama when it came to spending.
Posted by: Montec
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Trump is awful on fiscal issues. He has never been a small government conservative.
He just throws out some meaningless boob bait, but the reality is he was far worse than Obama when it came to spending.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (wMRY8)
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I just think the reality is a Speaker tries to do something and enough of his members say "nope, not voting for that, I have a tough race and that will paint me in a bad light" and then what?
We just saw where 2 "more conservative" Speakers got voted down. If you can't even start there, good luck getting them to vote to shut down government agencies.
Right, and the entire thing was framed by the MFM and GOPe as those backward, recalcitrant MAGATs just being d***s. At some point, if electing a SoH is as important as they say, they'll either fold, or make a deal with the Dems. Either is acceptable to me, as the latter will put a spotlight on who they really are.
We just saw where 2 "more conservative" Speakers got voted down. If you can't even start there, good luck getting them to vote to shut down government agencies.
Right, and the entire thing was framed by the MFM and GOPe as those backward, recalcitrant MAGATs just being d***s. At some point, if electing a SoH is as important as they say, they'll either fold, or make a deal with the Dems. Either is acceptable to me, as the latter will put a spotlight on who they really are.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (I/Qkd)
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If it wasn't his job to get them out of Committee, what would you say he does here?
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Well, it's not like he could have:
1) brought them to the floor unilaterally on his own motion, or
2) informed the committee chairmen (in February) of the deadlines to have them voted out of committee, and
3) remove committee chairmen who didn't meet the deadline
Instead, he went with the whiny bitching and blaming Gaetz.
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Well, it's not like he could have:
1) brought them to the floor unilaterally on his own motion, or
2) informed the committee chairmen (in February) of the deadlines to have them voted out of committee, and
3) remove committee chairmen who didn't meet the deadline
Instead, he went with the whiny bitching and blaming Gaetz.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (BT0nw)
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Only way the day of reckoning comes is if the dollar stops being the world's currency. And I don't see that happening any time soon. China's collapse is under way so the Yuan is out. What else is there? The Euro? LOL. Sure, good luck with that world.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (bWsRe)
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168 Biden just took the torch from Trump and kept running with it.
Posted by: Montec
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Trump is awful on fiscal issues. He has never been a small government conservative.
He just throws out some meaningless boob bait, but the reality is he was far worse than Obama when it came to spending.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (wMRY
Except for sequestration Obama ran higher deficits than Trump. 2012, which is well after the 2008 recession, had a deficit over 1T.
Posted by: Montec
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Trump is awful on fiscal issues. He has never been a small government conservative.
He just throws out some meaningless boob bait, but the reality is he was far worse than Obama when it came to spending.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (wMRY
Except for sequestration Obama ran higher deficits than Trump. 2012, which is well after the 2008 recession, had a deficit over 1T.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:40 AM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:40 AM (/EuRN)
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We are well past the fiscal event horizon from which neither light nor hope can escape. The choices are an actual managed default, or continued high inflation. I know which of those two the political class will chose.
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation." Lenin (possible apocryphal but none the less true)
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation." Lenin (possible apocryphal but none the less true)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:41 AM (aD39U)
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Alyssa Milano
@Alyssa_Milano
Dear @POTUS
We come together as artists and advocates, but most importantly as human beings witnessing the devastating loss of lives and unfolding horrors in Israel and Palestine.
We ask that, as President of the United States, you call for an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Gaza and Israel before another life is lost. More than 4,000 people have been killed in the last week and a half - a number any person of conscience knows is catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
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I notice she didn't say anything about Ukraine.
@Alyssa_Milano
Dear @POTUS
We come together as artists and advocates, but most importantly as human beings witnessing the devastating loss of lives and unfolding horrors in Israel and Palestine.
We ask that, as President of the United States, you call for an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Gaza and Israel before another life is lost. More than 4,000 people have been killed in the last week and a half - a number any person of conscience knows is catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
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I notice she didn't say anything about Ukraine.
Posted by: Darth Randall at October 23, 2023 11:41 AM (xT7BI)
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I like the term hog swallop.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 23, 2023 11:41 AM (tRqjv)
177
I'm thinking we're quickly moving into the "suddenly" phase.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (BdMk6)
178
It seems there's an awful lot of trust placed into a bunch of Congressional crackpots. You realize the federal Executive Branch will generally do as it pleases until its thwarted and must step back to regroup and refund, right?
House Committee on the Budget
Protecting Congress’ Power of the Purse and the Rule of Law
Apr 2, 2020
House Committee on the Budget
Protecting Congress’ Power of the Purse and the Rule of Law
Apr 2, 2020
Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (GshMh)
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>DanMan at October 23, 2023 11:34 AM (8uzBS)
As I said, little use for him. Just do not see how 45 days to get them all out of Committee was going to kill anything. If they had tossed McCarthy with a solid replacement lined up, that is one thing- but now we will get probably get stuck with another CR, because that is all they will have time to accomplish if and when they ever figure out who is going to be Speaker.
As I said, little use for him. Just do not see how 45 days to get them all out of Committee was going to kill anything. If they had tossed McCarthy with a solid replacement lined up, that is one thing- but now we will get probably get stuck with another CR, because that is all they will have time to accomplish if and when they ever figure out who is going to be Speaker.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (qySYq)
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Okay, we need to buy moar ammo.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (n14bF)
181
No fan of McCarthy at all, but the simple fact is that none of the committees responsible for producing "regular order" spending bills did their job. There literally was no option available other than an omnibus.
Whoever is Speaker matters little if the rest of the caucus doesn't do the work.
Posted by: can of spam
The SotH has power over whom those comitte members are. McShithead could've taken all of the surrender monkeys out of the committees, and had them sit in their fucking offices.
Whoever is Speaker matters little if the rest of the caucus doesn't do the work.
Posted by: can of spam
The SotH has power over whom those comitte members are. McShithead could've taken all of the surrender monkeys out of the committees, and had them sit in their fucking offices.
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (3CCua)
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Rep voters: Hey, we have had a lot of failure to get through our policy preferences when you guys held the gavel. The leaders you chose failed, can we at least give it a shot see if someone we like can get some things done that we want?
Reps in Congress: Are you out of your minds? From our point of view, everything is worked perfectly fine with Boehner, Hastert, Ryan, McCarthy. Heck even Pelosi kept the $ flowing, though not as much as we liked. One of your guys would certainly be worse than Nancy for us. So, no.
Reps in Congress: Are you out of your minds? From our point of view, everything is worked perfectly fine with Boehner, Hastert, Ryan, McCarthy. Heck even Pelosi kept the $ flowing, though not as much as we liked. One of your guys would certainly be worse than Nancy for us. So, no.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (fs1hN)
183
In this house we believe...
Israel should utterly destroy Hamas.
The southern border should be guarded by armed troops and all present illegals should be returned to Mexico.
EV's are a bad joke.
China and Iran are deadly enemies of America.
Trump won.
Israel should utterly destroy Hamas.
The southern border should be guarded by armed troops and all present illegals should be returned to Mexico.
EV's are a bad joke.
China and Iran are deadly enemies of America.
Trump won.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (DwYZJ)
184
@168
>>He just throws out some meaningless boob bait, but the reality is he was far worse than Obama when it came to spending.
You seem to not understand how the government actually works, perhaps you could take some online remedial courses.
>>He just throws out some meaningless boob bait, but the reality is he was far worse than Obama when it came to spending.
You seem to not understand how the government actually works, perhaps you could take some online remedial courses.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (HE2Ga)
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Alyssa Milano
@Alyssa_Milano
Dear @POTUS
We come together as artists and advocates, but most importantly as human beings witnessing the devastating loss of lives and unfolding horrors in Israel and Palestine.
We ask that, as President of the United States, you call for an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Gaza and Israel before another life is lost. More than 4,000 people have been killed in the last week and a half - a number any person of conscience knows is catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
And now you will blow me.
@Alyssa_Milano
Dear @POTUS
We come together as artists and advocates, but most importantly as human beings witnessing the devastating loss of lives and unfolding horrors in Israel and Palestine.
We ask that, as President of the United States, you call for an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Gaza and Israel before another life is lost. More than 4,000 people have been killed in the last week and a half - a number any person of conscience knows is catastrophic. We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
And now you will blow me.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 23, 2023 11:43 AM (tRqjv)
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Only way the day of reckoning comes is if the dollar stops being the world's currency. And I don't see that happening any time soon. China's collapse is under way so the Yuan is out. What else is there? The Euro? LOL. Sure, good luck with that world.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (bWsRe)
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Nothing. Well, no single thing. This idea of a uniform singular "reserve currency" for international settlements is not the only idea. When the Dollar goes - and it will - it may not be replaced with a new "reserve currency." My bet is that it will *not* be replaced with a single new reserve currency.
It is more than workable to use multiple "reserve currencies" and probably also a commodity pool. The Dollar will be *a* reserve currency, not the *the* reserve currency. This is the "basket of currencies" concept that backs the IMF's "Special Drawing Right" (SDR) pseudo-currency (or meta-currency, depending on your perspective). Something akin to the SDR (but it will not actually be the IMF's SDR) is more likely than a new single reserve currency.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (bWsRe)
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Nothing. Well, no single thing. This idea of a uniform singular "reserve currency" for international settlements is not the only idea. When the Dollar goes - and it will - it may not be replaced with a new "reserve currency." My bet is that it will *not* be replaced with a single new reserve currency.
It is more than workable to use multiple "reserve currencies" and probably also a commodity pool. The Dollar will be *a* reserve currency, not the *the* reserve currency. This is the "basket of currencies" concept that backs the IMF's "Special Drawing Right" (SDR) pseudo-currency (or meta-currency, depending on your perspective). Something akin to the SDR (but it will not actually be the IMF's SDR) is more likely than a new single reserve currency.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:43 AM (d04cU)
187
Trump is awful on fiscal issues. He has never been a small government conservative.
He just throws out some meaningless boob bait, but the reality is he was far worse than Obama when it came to spending.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (wMRY
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Yep. Obama's last year in office the deficit was $585B. Trump's first year was $665B and 2nd year was $779B.
You could argue that Trump's first year was really Obama's doing because every president's first year is really his predecessor's policies. Fine. But Trump's second year is inexcusable. Especially given the economy was booming with record tax revenues.
He just throws out some meaningless boob bait, but the reality is he was far worse than Obama when it came to spending.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:39 AM (wMRY
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Yep. Obama's last year in office the deficit was $585B. Trump's first year was $665B and 2nd year was $779B.
You could argue that Trump's first year was really Obama's doing because every president's first year is really his predecessor's policies. Fine. But Trump's second year is inexcusable. Especially given the economy was booming with record tax revenues.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:43 AM (bWsRe)
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@varadmehta
No one knows what it sounded like when the dinosaurs raged against the dying light of the Chicxulub impactor. But scientists believe this editorial demanding the Republican field consolidate behind Nikki Haley is a close approximation.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (44ww/)
Okay, that made me laugh.
BONUS! It's surprisingly accurate.
No one knows what it sounded like when the dinosaurs raged against the dying light of the Chicxulub impactor. But scientists believe this editorial demanding the Republican field consolidate behind Nikki Haley is a close approximation.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (44ww/)
Okay, that made me laugh.
BONUS! It's surprisingly accurate.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 23, 2023 11:43 AM (QzZeQ)
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I like the term hog swallop.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 23, 2023 11:41 AM (tRqjv)
Concur. T-Shirts need to be made.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 23, 2023 11:41 AM (tRqjv)
Concur. T-Shirts need to be made.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (R/m4+)
190
You seem to not understand how the government actually works, perhaps you could take some online remedial courses.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (HE2Ga)
The Constitution has about as much to do with How It Works right now as the Magna Charta.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (HE2Ga)
The Constitution has about as much to do with How It Works right now as the Magna Charta.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (/EuRN)
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Bibi is a racist!
Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Rep. @AOC: “I found it shocking when … when PM Netanyahu banned two U.S. sitting members of Congress from coming to Israel, Reps. Rashida Tlaib & Ilhan Omar … my own colleagues did not seem to say or do much of anything. That should be an affront to our entire gov’t & country”
Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Rep. @AOC: “I found it shocking when … when PM Netanyahu banned two U.S. sitting members of Congress from coming to Israel, Reps. Rashida Tlaib & Ilhan Omar … my own colleagues did not seem to say or do much of anything. That should be an affront to our entire gov’t & country”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (FVME7)
192
Yep. Obama's last year in office the deficit was $585B. Trump's first year was $665B and 2nd year was $779B.
You could argue that Trump's first year was really Obama's doing because every president's first year is really his predecessor's policies. Fine. But Trump's second year is inexcusable. Especially given the economy was booming with record tax revenues.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:43 AM (bWsRe)
So you credit Obama for the sequestration?
Do you also credit Obama for massive increases in oil production?
The House of Representatives must be irrelevant in this thinking.
You could argue that Trump's first year was really Obama's doing because every president's first year is really his predecessor's policies. Fine. But Trump's second year is inexcusable. Especially given the economy was booming with record tax revenues.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:43 AM (bWsRe)
So you credit Obama for the sequestration?
Do you also credit Obama for massive increases in oil production?
The House of Representatives must be irrelevant in this thinking.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (eYoxG)
193
165, LOL!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (+vFC3)
194
Spindrift, you're so right! The minute I saw "artists" applied to actors I fast-forwarded!
Posted by: Wenda at October 23, 2023 11:45 AM (Tji/p)
195
181 The SotH has power over whom those comitte members are. McShithead could've taken all of the surrender monkeys out of the committees, and had them sit in their fucking offices.
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (3CCua)
Too many Weak Sisters, not enough Warriors.
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (3CCua)
Too many Weak Sisters, not enough Warriors.
Posted by: XTC at October 23, 2023 11:45 AM (sm6Pk)
196
How about we demand a Statue of Buffalo Guy to be erected on the Mall. Say twice the size of Miss Liberty?
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:45 AM (n14bF)
197
We believe all life is sacred, no matter faith or ethnicity and we condemn the killing of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
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I notice she didn't say anything about Ukraine.
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To the Ruskies and Ukes, knock yourselves out.
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I notice she didn't say anything about Ukraine.
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To the Ruskies and Ukes, knock yourselves out.
Posted by: Alyssa M. at October 23, 2023 11:46 AM (fs1hN)
198
This busty bikini brunette thinks that if the maintenance of a system of unaccountable and continuous theft and backroom power deals is the hill on which the GOP has finally chosen to die, then so be it:
https://is.gd/si06zI
https://is.gd/si06zI
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:47 AM (d04cU)
199
So you credit Obama for the sequestration?
Do you also credit Obama for massive increases in oil production?
The House of Representatives must be irrelevant in this thinking.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (eYoxG)
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So once again we're back to poor Trump, he was just an innocent bystander and had no control over the things happening around him.
Do you also credit Obama for massive increases in oil production?
The House of Representatives must be irrelevant in this thinking.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (eYoxG)
__
So once again we're back to poor Trump, he was just an innocent bystander and had no control over the things happening around him.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:47 AM (bWsRe)
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We are at the point where I would rather see the Republican Party collapse completely, no matter the consequences, rather than live with this farce of a party for one more day. Go ahead, make Hakeem Jeffries speaker, won't be any worse than it was.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 23, 2023 11:21 AM (i9ffA)
Without giving any details, please don't speculate, I spent some time at the MoMe speaking to someone involved in electoral politics in their home state. They told me that they were stunned at how seemingly oblivious elected officials were at the anger in the base and that they wondered if the base might not decide to elect Democrats just to flush the GOPe trash out of DC.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 23, 2023 11:21 AM (i9ffA)
Without giving any details, please don't speculate, I spent some time at the MoMe speaking to someone involved in electoral politics in their home state. They told me that they were stunned at how seemingly oblivious elected officials were at the anger in the base and that they wondered if the base might not decide to elect Democrats just to flush the GOPe trash out of DC.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 23, 2023 11:47 AM (zhLdt)
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197 To the Ruskies and Ukes, knock yourselves out.
Posted by: Alyssa M. at October 23, 2023 11:46 AM (fs1hN)
Drink another handle, Boris.
Posted by: Alyssa M. at October 23, 2023 11:46 AM (fs1hN)
Drink another handle, Boris.
Posted by: XTC at October 23, 2023 11:47 AM (sm6Pk)
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"A day of reckoning for the federal deficits and national debt is coming. Why not make that day now?"
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Watch any financial show (besides the pumpers and fluffers in the MSM).
The bond market is in great depression territory.
The interest payments on the debt are skyrocketing.
Only Americans are buying T-bills
Grandma will have to eat her Social Security check in soup because it won't buy anything soon ....
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Watch any financial show (besides the pumpers and fluffers in the MSM).
The bond market is in great depression territory.
The interest payments on the debt are skyrocketing.
Only Americans are buying T-bills
Grandma will have to eat her Social Security check in soup because it won't buy anything soon ....
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (BT0nw)
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199 So you credit Obama for the sequestration?
Do you also credit Obama for massive increases in oil production?
The House of Representatives must be irrelevant in this thinking.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (eYoxG)
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So once again we're back to poor Trump, he was just an innocent bystander and had no control over the things happening around him.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:47 AM (bWsRe)
So you do credit Obama for sequestration. Hell of a hot take man.
Guess Obama was just doing 3D chess with Obamacare to piss off Rs into cutting spending.
Do you also credit Obama for massive increases in oil production?
The House of Representatives must be irrelevant in this thinking.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:44 AM (eYoxG)
__
So once again we're back to poor Trump, he was just an innocent bystander and had no control over the things happening around him.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:47 AM (bWsRe)
So you do credit Obama for sequestration. Hell of a hot take man.
Guess Obama was just doing 3D chess with Obamacare to piss off Rs into cutting spending.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)
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This busty bikini brunette thinks that if the maintenance of a system of unaccountable and continuous theft and backroom power deals is the hill on which the GOP has finally chosen to die, then so be it:
She has four freckles on her left thigh that look like the big dipper. I assume TJM will cite these as disqualifying.
She has four freckles on her left thigh that look like the big dipper. I assume TJM will cite these as disqualifying.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
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@varadmehta
No one knows what it sounded like when the dinosaurs raged against the dying light of the Chicxulub impactor. But scientists believe this editorial demanding the Republican field consolidate behind Nikki Haley is a close approximation.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (44ww/)
Okay, that made me laugh.
BONUS! It's surprisingly accurate.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 23, 2023 11:43 AM (QzZeQ)
LOL. Yup. The truth is a stone-cold bitch.
No one knows what it sounded like when the dinosaurs raged against the dying light of the Chicxulub impactor. But scientists believe this editorial demanding the Republican field consolidate behind Nikki Haley is a close approximation.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (44ww/)
Okay, that made me laugh.
BONUS! It's surprisingly accurate.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 23, 2023 11:43 AM (QzZeQ)
LOL. Yup. The truth is a stone-cold bitch.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (BdMk6)
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Yale has a $40 billion endowment, but it is somehow the role of taxpayers to give Yale money to study transgenders in Malaysia.
And a lousy $418k to boot. With a significant percentage being kicked back to the reelection campaign of the Congressional cocksucker who's staff inserted the line item into the bill.
Yale has a $40 billion endowment, but it is somehow the role of taxpayers to give Yale money to study transgenders in Malaysia.
And a lousy $418k to boot. With a significant percentage being kicked back to the reelection campaign of the Congressional cocksucker who's staff inserted the line item into the bill.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 23, 2023 11:49 AM (n+4am)
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so nobody could see the sausage being made!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (d04cU)
How'd I miss the Sausage Bill?! Links or Patties?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:08 AM (d04cU)
How'd I miss the Sausage Bill?! Links or Patties?
Posted by: Paulie bag a' donuts at October 23, 2023 11:49 AM (RYLTI)
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@varadmehta
No one knows what it sounded like when the dinosaurs raged against the dying light of the Chicxulub impactor. But scientists believe this editorial demanding the Republican field consolidate behind Nikki Haley is a close approximation.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (44ww/)
++++
That is Ace-level cruelty. Beautifully done.
No one knows what it sounded like when the dinosaurs raged against the dying light of the Chicxulub impactor. But scientists believe this editorial demanding the Republican field consolidate behind Nikki Haley is a close approximation.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (44ww/)
++++
That is Ace-level cruelty. Beautifully done.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:49 AM (d04cU)
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94 Rep. Don Bacon, used the term "Bruh". Apparently he has the personality of a teenager. Idiot. Top. Men. Top.
It used to be a standard comedy trope for 50 year old men to affect the behaviors of whatever teens were doing at the time. But another one was a man wearing a dress. Now it makes you a " hip trendsetter"
It used to be a standard comedy trope for 50 year old men to affect the behaviors of whatever teens were doing at the time. But another one was a man wearing a dress. Now it makes you a " hip trendsetter"
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (3/XaG)
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And we could lose ALL of that if you don't donate today!
-the GOP
1-877-CASH-4-GOP
Donate your cash today
And we could lose ALL of that if you don't donate today!
-the GOP
1-877-CASH-4-GOP
Donate your cash today
Posted by: The Kidz at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (63Dwl)
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"More likely is massive money printing and inflation since our debt is USD denominated than a technical default.
Usually takes about 5-10 years to recover from, assuming nothing else is going wrong.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (eYoxG)"
I don't think they can print their way out this time without outright hyperinflation or breaking something important. They key thing is you can't have your back against the wall on treasuries as a starting point, and we're already there.
The progs always intended for one last big crisis to blow everything up. The population isn't going to whether that level of economic dislocation peacefully when a third and another third already want to kill each other.
Usually takes about 5-10 years to recover from, assuming nothing else is going wrong.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (eYoxG)"
I don't think they can print their way out this time without outright hyperinflation or breaking something important. They key thing is you can't have your back against the wall on treasuries as a starting point, and we're already there.
The progs always intended for one last big crisis to blow everything up. The population isn't going to whether that level of economic dislocation peacefully when a third and another third already want to kill each other.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (p61dW)
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https://bityl.co/LtNJ
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (aD39U)
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Too many Weak Sisters, not enough Warriors.
Posted by: XTC
I'd be happy if the same seven or eight ran all of the committees, while the rest of them were relegated to sitting on their hands, powerless. The. The ONLY bills congress gets to vote on are good single page/item bills. Or go default.
But that will never happen because it would unfuck the federal government
Posted by: XTC
I'd be happy if the same seven or eight ran all of the committees, while the rest of them were relegated to sitting on their hands, powerless. The. The ONLY bills congress gets to vote on are good single page/item bills. Or go default.
But that will never happen because it would unfuck the federal government
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (3CCua)
Posted by: Diogenes at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (IPxF/)
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Rivers of Blood renews everything.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (n14bF)
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"...we believe all life is sacred...
Hell, my area got into trouble for All Lives Matter.
Multiple peaceful demonstrations with congressional and state support; multiple Holy people; 1% ers providing security; baffled bused in marchers; lots of teachers, union advocates and their families..
Hell, my area got into trouble for All Lives Matter.
Multiple peaceful demonstrations with congressional and state support; multiple Holy people; 1% ers providing security; baffled bused in marchers; lots of teachers, union advocates and their families..
Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (GshMh)
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She has four freckles on her left thigh that look like the big dipper. I assume TJM will cite these as disqualifying.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
(Avoids bring up the fact that they look like the star map in Prometheus)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
(Avoids bring up the fact that they look like the star map in Prometheus)
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (gmo/4)
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So you do credit Obama for sequestration. Hell of a hot take man.
Guess Obama was just doing 3D chess with Obamacare to piss off Rs into cutting spending.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)
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I don't know what your point is in comparing what Trump did in 2017 and 2018 to what happened in 2011 or whenever it was that sequestration occurred.
Trump had a booming economy with record breaking tax revenues and still almost had $1T deficit in 2019. But it's Obama's fault or something. OK fine, whatever.
Guess Obama was just doing 3D chess with Obamacare to piss off Rs into cutting spending.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (eYoxG)
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I don't know what your point is in comparing what Trump did in 2017 and 2018 to what happened in 2011 or whenever it was that sequestration occurred.
Trump had a booming economy with record breaking tax revenues and still almost had $1T deficit in 2019. But it's Obama's fault or something. OK fine, whatever.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:51 AM (bWsRe)
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211 "More likely is massive money printing and inflation since our debt is USD denominated than a technical default.
Usually takes about 5-10 years to recover from, assuming nothing else is going wrong.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (eYoxG)"
I don't think they can print their way out this time without outright hyperinflation or breaking something important. They key thing is you can't have your back against the wall on treasuries as a starting point, and we're already there.
The progs always intended for one last big crisis to blow everything up. The population isn't going to whether that level of economic dislocation peacefully when a third and another third already want to kill each other.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (p61dW)
The printing results in the hyperinflation, which takes 5-10 years to recover from. This happens periodically in different countries around the world.
Usually takes about 5-10 years to recover from, assuming nothing else is going wrong.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:38 AM (eYoxG)"
I don't think they can print their way out this time without outright hyperinflation or breaking something important. They key thing is you can't have your back against the wall on treasuries as a starting point, and we're already there.
The progs always intended for one last big crisis to blow everything up. The population isn't going to whether that level of economic dislocation peacefully when a third and another third already want to kill each other.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (p61dW)
The printing results in the hyperinflation, which takes 5-10 years to recover from. This happens periodically in different countries around the world.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:51 AM (eYoxG)
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The Loot Phase of the coup seems to be working with few hiccups.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 23, 2023 11:51 AM (tRqjv)
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She has four freckles on her left thigh that look like the big dipper. I assume TJM will cite these as disqualifying.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023
***
I volunteer to play connect-the-dots
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023
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I volunteer to play connect-the-dots
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 23, 2023 11:51 AM (J2vNu)
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The SotH has power over whom those comitte members are. McShithead could've taken all of the surrender monkeys out of the committees, and had them sit in their fucking offices.
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (3CCua)
That's my understanding.
And that's the reason the GOPe Limp Dish Rags don't want a conservative SotH, a serious man in that position would be changing committee heads the 2nd week in.
The SotH has power over whom those comitte members are. McShithead could've taken all of the surrender monkeys out of the committees, and had them sit in their fucking offices.
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (3CCua)
That's my understanding.
And that's the reason the GOPe Limp Dish Rags don't want a conservative SotH, a serious man in that position would be changing committee heads the 2nd week in.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (QzZeQ)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
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The film actors guild will cast shame at the lack of cease-fire but have not yet noticed the start-fire.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (44ww/)
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McConnell Claims He Has Completely Recovered After Health Scares
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
++++
Maybe he's lying.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
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Maybe he's lying.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (d04cU)
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Rivers of Blood renews everything.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (n14bF)
Along with mountains of the skulls of our enemies.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:50 AM (n14bF)
Along with mountains of the skulls of our enemies.
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (gmo/4)
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I don't know what your point is in comparing what Trump did in 2017 and 2018 to what happened in 2011 or whenever it was that sequestration occurred.
Trump had a booming economy with record breaking tax revenues and still almost had $1T deficit in 2019. But it's Obama's fault or something. OK fine, whatever.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:51 AM (bWsRe)
You're the one claiming Trump was worse than Obama on deficits.
Pre-sequestration Obama was spending more than Trump pre-Covid.
Basic math or comprehension issue on your end, choose one. Obama wasn't behind the cuts in spending that occurred in his second term.
Trump had a booming economy with record breaking tax revenues and still almost had $1T deficit in 2019. But it's Obama's fault or something. OK fine, whatever.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:51 AM (bWsRe)
You're the one claiming Trump was worse than Obama on deficits.
Pre-sequestration Obama was spending more than Trump pre-Covid.
Basic math or comprehension issue on your end, choose one. Obama wasn't behind the cuts in spending that occurred in his second term.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (eYoxG)
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99 Those two sentiments are the wedge that will break up and destroy the Republican Party, and the sooner the better. Lying about spending, lying about pointless military adventurism, lying about uncontrolled migration.
Posted by: Erik In Texas at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (33HvQ)
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She has four freckles on her left thigh that look like the big dipper. I assume TJM will cite these as disqualifying.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
(Avoids bring up the fact that they look like the star map in Prometheus)
Posted by: Archer at October
TJM now reconsiders and gives her an 11/10
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
(Avoids bring up the fact that they look like the star map in Prometheus)
Posted by: Archer at October
TJM now reconsiders and gives her an 11/10
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (CIS44)
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223 Good news, everyone!
McConnell Claims He Has Completely Recovered After Health Scares
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
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Great! He can go back to 100% effort in fucking us.
McConnell Claims He Has Completely Recovered After Health Scares
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
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Great! He can go back to 100% effort in fucking us.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (bWsRe)
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173 Do they still peg the RMB to the dollar?
That used to be a thing, right?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:40 AM (/EuRN)
I thought they had like 30-50 cent range in which they'd float it, and moving that range was a big deal. Or I could be completely misunderstanding it.
That used to be a thing, right?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 23, 2023 11:40 AM (/EuRN)
I thought they had like 30-50 cent range in which they'd float it, and moving that range was a big deal. Or I could be completely misunderstanding it.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 23, 2023 11:54 AM (z+89e)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at October 23, 2023 11:54 AM (aD39U)
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"177 I'm thinking we're quickly moving into the "suddenly" phase.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (BdMk6)"
I can't really talk about what my employer does - not even hints other than tech - but I can say that our gross sales are down like 40% on what had been a few hundred million a year, on a product that has traditionally done an excellent job of weathering downturns. Right off a cliff. Unfortunately the bozos running the show are true believers and planned ahead with full faith in the "amazing Biden economy".
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (BdMk6)"
I can't really talk about what my employer does - not even hints other than tech - but I can say that our gross sales are down like 40% on what had been a few hundred million a year, on a product that has traditionally done an excellent job of weathering downturns. Right off a cliff. Unfortunately the bozos running the show are true believers and planned ahead with full faith in the "amazing Biden economy".
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:54 AM (p61dW)
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Expecting anything but omnibus bills is a Longshot. That would require our reps to know what was in the individual bills which is way too much work. Also the mess that is an omnibus bill allows for a lot of graft and corruption.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (Hkykl)
No it wouldn't. The vast majority of them vote as they are told to vote. Same as they are doing now. We don't have a Speaker because some portion of the people actually in charge prefer things this way.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 23, 2023 11:28 AM (Hkykl)
No it wouldn't. The vast majority of them vote as they are told to vote. Same as they are doing now. We don't have a Speaker because some portion of the people actually in charge prefer things this way.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 23, 2023 11:54 AM (zhLdt)
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They key thing is you can't have your back against the wall on treasuries as a starting point, and we're already there.
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Biden has erased Trump's rally completely. That was his plan - undo Trump. Now we get to find out how deep a plunge Biden's sell off will be. My guess is twice the size of Trump's rally. A lot of people will be hurt deeply by this for a very long time. See the reinforcements they've brought end to enforce Transformation.
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Biden has erased Trump's rally completely. That was his plan - undo Trump. Now we get to find out how deep a plunge Biden's sell off will be. My guess is twice the size of Trump's rally. A lot of people will be hurt deeply by this for a very long time. See the reinforcements they've brought end to enforce Transformation.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:54 AM (n14bF)
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2010, 1.3T deficit, 2011 1.3T deficit, 2012, 1.09T deficit.
2017, 0.67T, 2018, 0.78T, 2019 0.98T
And you want to inflation adjust the 2019 number to be above 1T and call the latter string worse?
2017, 0.67T, 2018, 0.78T, 2019 0.98T
And you want to inflation adjust the 2019 number to be above 1T and call the latter string worse?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:54 AM (eYoxG)
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And that's the reason the GOPe Limp Dish Rags don't want a conservative SotH, a serious man in that position would be changing committee heads the 2nd week in.
Word.
Word.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:54 AM (I/Qkd)
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Without giving any details, please don't speculate, I spent some time at the MoMe speaking to someone involved in electoral politics in their home state. They told me that they were stunned at how seemingly oblivious elected officials were at the anger in the base and that they wondered if the base might not decide to elect Democrats just to flush the GOPe trash out of DC.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
They are oblivious because they no longer live in their districts.
Make me Emperor and reps and senators will live only in their districts and do all business via Teams.
The earf can't support all the Congressional travel.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
They are oblivious because they no longer live in their districts.
Make me Emperor and reps and senators will live only in their districts and do all business via Teams.
The earf can't support all the Congressional travel.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 23, 2023 11:54 AM (uiWTm)
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220 The Loot Phase of the coup seems to be working with few hiccups.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 23, 2023 11:51 AM
Yup. Please keep us posted.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 23, 2023 11:51 AM
Yup. Please keep us posted.
Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (GshMh)
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Pre-sequestration Obama was spending more than Trump pre-Covid.
Basic math or comprehension issue on your end, choose one. Obama wasn't behind the cuts in spending that occurred in his second term.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (eYoxG)
__
So we're back to poor Trump his hands were tied. He reaaaaallllly wanted to cut spending. But those mean old Republicans in the house wouldn't let him. Is that what you're seriously saying? LOL.
Basic math or comprehension issue on your end, choose one. Obama wasn't behind the cuts in spending that occurred in his second term.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (eYoxG)
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So we're back to poor Trump his hands were tied. He reaaaaallllly wanted to cut spending. But those mean old Republicans in the house wouldn't let him. Is that what you're seriously saying? LOL.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (bWsRe)
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"228 99 Those two sentiments are the wedge that will break up and destroy the Republican Party, and the sooner the better. Lying about spending, lying about pointless military adventurism, lying about uncontrolled migration.
Posted by: Erik In Texas at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (33HvQ)"
Lying about 85% of them being plants, hacks, and sellouts
Posted by: Erik In Texas at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (33HvQ)"
Lying about 85% of them being plants, hacks, and sellouts
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (p61dW)
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (MvF+J)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (ynpvh)
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McConnell Claims He Has Completely Recovered After Health Scares
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Maybe he's lying.
I find your lack of faith in our national leadership... disturbing.
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Maybe he's lying.
I find your lack of faith in our national leadership... disturbing.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (nfrXX)
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The defence of Trump is unreal. Because Obama spent a lot in 2009 and 2010, Trump spending a lot in 2019 is OK. Cuz...reasons.
Wow
Wow
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (bWsRe)
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>Only way the day of reckoning comes is if the dollar stops being the world's currency. And I don't see that happening any time soon. China's collapse is under way so the Yuan is out. What else is there? The Euro? LOL. Sure, good luck with that world.
If it is true that they can't create new bitcoin, then it is superior. I couldn't make a decent guess as to the truth of it.
If it is true that they can't create new bitcoin, then it is superior. I couldn't make a decent guess as to the truth of it.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (44ww/)
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"a product that has traditionally done an excellent job of weathering downturns"
Cosmetics?
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (MvF+J)
Toilet paper.
Cosmetics?
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (MvF+J)
Toilet paper.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)
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"242 "a product that has traditionally done an excellent job of weathering downturns"
Cosmetics?
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (MvF+J)"
Not at all, but your guess is in the right general spirit. When things go to shit we typically make bank but now the money simply isn't there.
Same reason people are defaulting on their auto loans - they simply don't have the cash.
Cosmetics?
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (MvF+J)"
Not at all, but your guess is in the right general spirit. When things go to shit we typically make bank but now the money simply isn't there.
Same reason people are defaulting on their auto loans - they simply don't have the cash.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 11:57 AM (p61dW)
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240 Pre-sequestration Obama was spending more than Trump pre-Covid.
Basic math or comprehension issue on your end, choose one. Obama wasn't behind the cuts in spending that occurred in his second term.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (eYoxG)
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So we're back to poor Trump his hands were tied. He reaaaaallllly wanted to cut spending. But those mean old Republicans in the house wouldn't let him. Is that what you're seriously saying? LOL.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (bWsRe)
You credit Obama and Clinton for Republicans in the House cutting spending?
What's with these stupid hot takes?
Republicans with the House of Representatives can cut spending. We've seen them do it multiple times in our lifetime. That's not a credit to the D presidents at the time. Republicans in the House merely choose not to cut spending frequently.
Basic math or comprehension issue on your end, choose one. Obama wasn't behind the cuts in spending that occurred in his second term.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:53 AM (eYoxG)
__
So we're back to poor Trump his hands were tied. He reaaaaallllly wanted to cut spending. But those mean old Republicans in the house wouldn't let him. Is that what you're seriously saying? LOL.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (bWsRe)
You credit Obama and Clinton for Republicans in the House cutting spending?
What's with these stupid hot takes?
Republicans with the House of Representatives can cut spending. We've seen them do it multiple times in our lifetime. That's not a credit to the D presidents at the time. Republicans in the House merely choose not to cut spending frequently.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
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224 The film actors guild will cast shame at the lack of cease-fire but have not yet noticed the start-fire.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (44ww/)
God forbid those sanctimonious fux cast aspersions on the armed men who raped those women and killed babies in self defense.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (44ww/)
God forbid those sanctimonious fux cast aspersions on the armed men who raped those women and killed babies in self defense.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 23, 2023 11:57 AM (z+89e)
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Trump raised the debt $3 Trillion in 3 years, bitbthe fourth was a Covid blowout
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (XizFB)
I remember when he marched the 101st Airborne into the halls of Congress to force them to pass those budgets. Just like W. Just like Obama. Just like Biden.
He may not have prevented the deficits but CONGRESS is the author.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 23, 2023 11:29 AM (XizFB)
I remember when he marched the 101st Airborne into the halls of Congress to force them to pass those budgets. Just like W. Just like Obama. Just like Biden.
He may not have prevented the deficits but CONGRESS is the author.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (zhLdt)
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Except for sequestration Obama ran higher deficits than Trump. 2012, which is well after the 2008 recession, had a deficit over 1T.
Posted by: Red Turban Somegu
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2021 deficit was $2.8 trillion.
Obama had a $587 billion dollar deficit in 2016
Trump blew Obama out of the water
Posted by: Red Turban Somegu
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2021 deficit was $2.8 trillion.
Obama had a $587 billion dollar deficit in 2016
Trump blew Obama out of the water
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (wMRY8)
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (bWsRe)
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The Euro? LOL. Sure, good luck with that world.
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The Brits still have the Pound. Japan has the Yen. The Swiss the Franc. So, that's about it.
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The Brits still have the Pound. Japan has the Yen. The Swiss the Franc. So, that's about it.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (n14bF)
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McConnell has already pledged to give Biden everything he has asked for on the Ukraine graft bill.
Preemptive surrender is just more efficient.
Preemptive surrender is just more efficient.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (aD39U)
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"a product that has traditionally done an excellent job of weathering downturns"
Cosmetics?
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (MvF+J)
Toilet paper.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)
He said tech. I'm thinking that must mean "personal massagers".
Cosmetics?
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (MvF+J)
Toilet paper.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)
He said tech. I'm thinking that must mean "personal massagers".
Posted by: spindrift at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (AUkrG)
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245 The defence of Trump is unreal. Because Obama spent a lot in 2009 and 2010, Trump spending a lot in 2019 is OK. Cuz...reasons.
Wow
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (bWsRe)
Don't make shit up and you won't be corrected.
You wanted to adjust inflation Trump's 2019 number above 1T.
Obama's 2011 and 2012 spending was above 1T, not just 2009 and 2010 as you claim here.
You're doing an awful lot of special pleading for Obama.
Wow
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (bWsRe)
Don't make shit up and you won't be corrected.
You wanted to adjust inflation Trump's 2019 number above 1T.
Obama's 2011 and 2012 spending was above 1T, not just 2009 and 2010 as you claim here.
You're doing an awful lot of special pleading for Obama.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (eYoxG)
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223 Good news, everyone!
McConnell Claims He Has Completely Recovered After Health Scares
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
How would he know, he's not a doctor.
Did the "one hellofa doctor" Jill give him a clean bill of health or something?
McConnell Claims He Has Completely Recovered After Health Scares
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
How would he know, he's not a doctor.
Did the "one hellofa doctor" Jill give him a clean bill of health or something?
Posted by: Just Lily at October 23, 2023 11:59 AM (JyHlc)
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You credit Obama and Clinton for Republicans in the House cutting spending?
What's with these stupid hot takes?
Republicans with the House of Representatives can cut spending. We've seen them do it multiple times in our lifetime. That's not a credit to the D presidents at the time. Republicans in the House merely choose not to cut spending frequently.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
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You're defending Trump's $1T deficit in 2019 by saying yeah but Obama did it too.
What's with these stupid hot takes?
Republicans with the House of Representatives can cut spending. We've seen them do it multiple times in our lifetime. That's not a credit to the D presidents at the time. Republicans in the House merely choose not to cut spending frequently.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
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You're defending Trump's $1T deficit in 2019 by saying yeah but Obama did it too.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (bWsRe)
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He may not have prevented the deficits but CONGRESS is the author.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Too bad the Founders didn't give Presidents a role in the budget process, a "veto" if you will.
Trump was outbidding Democrats.
He would slam Republicans for even talking about hitting the brakes.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Too bad the Founders didn't give Presidents a role in the budget process, a "veto" if you will.
Trump was outbidding Democrats.
He would slam Republicans for even talking about hitting the brakes.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (wMRY8)
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2021 deficit was $2.8 trillion.
Obama had a $587 billion dollar deficit in 2016
Trump blew Obama out of the water
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You seem to have forgotten that America grew under Trump while it slowly died under Obama. Biden is fully employed to kill America as long as he gets his 10%.
Obama had a $587 billion dollar deficit in 2016
Trump blew Obama out of the water
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You seem to have forgotten that America grew under Trump while it slowly died under Obama. Biden is fully employed to kill America as long as he gets his 10%.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (n14bF)
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252 Except for sequestration Obama ran higher deficits than Trump. 2012, which is well after the 2008 recession, had a deficit over 1T.
Posted by: Red Turban Somegu
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2021 deficit was $2.8 trillion.
Obama had a $587 billion dollar deficit in 2016
Trump blew Obama out of the water
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (wMRY
Deficits balloon during recessions. It's a universal at this point and dubious to credit or blame presidents correspondingly. Covid especially was abnormal because of the economic shutdown.
Posted by: Red Turban Somegu
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2021 deficit was $2.8 trillion.
Obama had a $587 billion dollar deficit in 2016
Trump blew Obama out of the water
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 11:58 AM (wMRY
Deficits balloon during recessions. It's a universal at this point and dubious to credit or blame presidents correspondingly. Covid especially was abnormal because of the economic shutdown.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (eYoxG)
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This busty bikini brunette thinks that if the maintenance of a system of unaccountable and continuous theft and backroom power deals is the hill on which the GOP has finally chosen to die, then so be it:
https://is.gd/si06zI
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:47 AM (d04cU)
You had me at busty bikini brunette.
This busty bikini brunette thinks that if the maintenance of a system of unaccountable and continuous theft and backroom power deals is the hill on which the GOP has finally chosen to die, then so be it:
https://is.gd/si06zI
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:47 AM (d04cU)
You had me at busty bikini brunette.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (n+4am)
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Trump never ever had a problem with deficits, politically or personally. He played the game to help get the fiscally conservative vote but that was all a smoke screen. I understood that when I voted for him.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (MNhXM)
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I do hope that Trump is better on the deficit in his next term.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Dirty Frank at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (yw2Ev)
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Same reason people are defaulting on their auto loans - they simply don't have the cash.
Posted by: somedood
1) You can sleep in your car. You can't drive your house to work.
2) Much lengthier to evict than repossess.
Posted by: somedood
1) You can sleep in your car. You can't drive your house to work.
2) Much lengthier to evict than repossess.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (uiWTm)
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PA Dems give not one hoot, i.e.,
The Philadelphia Inquirer, Oct. 10th
Ousting a sitting judge is rare. Delaware County Democrats are suggesting their voters do so this November
The county committee voted not to support the retention of three Common Pleas Court judges with GOP ties.
The Daily Times, Letter: ‘Red scare’ clouds Delco Democrats’ decision to not support retention of judges, Oct 20, 2023
The Philadelphia Inquirer, Oct. 10th
Ousting a sitting judge is rare. Delaware County Democrats are suggesting their voters do so this November
The county committee voted not to support the retention of three Common Pleas Court judges with GOP ties.
The Daily Times, Letter: ‘Red scare’ clouds Delco Democrats’ decision to not support retention of judges, Oct 20, 2023
Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (GshMh)
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You're defending Trump's $1T deficit in 2019 by saying yeah but Obama did it too.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (bWsRe)
You're the one pushing the idea Trump was worse than Obama on spending. Nobody was claiming Trump was a deficit hawk.
The facts and math aren't on your side. Sometimes it's hard to admit being wrong, but take a minute to reflect.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (bWsRe)
You're the one pushing the idea Trump was worse than Obama on spending. Nobody was claiming Trump was a deficit hawk.
The facts and math aren't on your side. Sometimes it's hard to admit being wrong, but take a minute to reflect.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (eYoxG)
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You're defending Trump's $1T deficit in 2019 by saying yeah but Obama did it too.
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Why did Deep State launch a worldwide plandemic with China as the vector/marketer of the virus?
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Why did Deep State launch a worldwide plandemic with China as the vector/marketer of the virus?
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 12:02 PM (n14bF)
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Congress would take a day to override Trump's veto. Don't pretend that you don't know this.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 12:02 PM (44ww/)
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267 Same reason people are defaulting on their auto loans - they simply don't have the cash.
Posted by: somedood
1) You can sleep in your car. You can't drive your house to work.
2) Much lengthier to evict than repossess.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (uiWTm)
You need to keep the car window cracked open so it doesn't fog up on the inside in those cities that don't allow you to sleep in your parked car overnight...
Posted by: somedood
1) You can sleep in your car. You can't drive your house to work.
2) Much lengthier to evict than repossess.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (uiWTm)
You need to keep the car window cracked open so it doesn't fog up on the inside in those cities that don't allow you to sleep in your parked car overnight...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 23, 2023 12:02 PM (ynpvh)
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248 I read that cosmetics did well in recessions cuz it's an inexpensive indulgence that brings cheer to the ladies in hard times. But that was before the industry decided to reposition itself into all luxury-priced stuff. Now harder to afford, it's also very attractive shoplifter swag.
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 12:02 PM (MvF+J)
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Deficits balloon during recessions.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (eYoxG)
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And they're supposed to shrink during expansions. Between 2017 and 2019 the deficit grew by 40% in a time of massive economic expansion.
But something something Obama. Give me a break dude.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 12:00 PM (eYoxG)
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And they're supposed to shrink during expansions. Between 2017 and 2019 the deficit grew by 40% in a time of massive economic expansion.
But something something Obama. Give me a break dude.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 12:02 PM (bWsRe)
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Deficits under Trump
2017: $665B
2018: $779B
2019: $983B
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2019 was all noted budget hawk and traitor.Paul Ryno's doing. As Schumer said, I got everything I wanted out the budget.
2017: $665B
2018: $779B
2019: $983B
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2019 was all noted budget hawk and traitor.Paul Ryno's doing. As Schumer said, I got everything I wanted out the budget.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (17s+e)
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There's only a couple on that list that I'd mind writing out of my movie viewing life forever but I'll make it work.
There's only a couple on that list that I'd mind writing out of my movie viewing life forever but I'll make it work.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (isHpZ)
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Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you'll wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?......
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
Matthew 6:25 - 27
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
Matthew 6:25 - 27
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (gmo/4)
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Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (eYoxG)
Why do you dismiss the last year of the Trump administration like it never happened.
Why do you dismiss the last year of the Trump administration like it never happened.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)
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The defence of Trump is unreal. Because Obama spent a lot in 2009 and 2010, Trump spending a lot in 2019 is OK. Cuz...reasons.
Wow
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (bWsRe)
You voted for Obummer both times, didn't you?
Wow
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:56 AM (bWsRe)
You voted for Obummer both times, didn't you?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (BdMk6)
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Well said.
If "no Speaker" means no "business as usual, " I'm all for it.
If "no Speaker" means no "business as usual, " I'm all for it.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (Rbu5d)
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People keep clicking the McConnel video, trying to get it to start.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 12:04 PM (44ww/)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 12:04 PM (aD39U)
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She has four freckles on her left thigh that look like the big dipper. I assume TJM will cite these as disqualifying.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
You want the big dipper? I got the BIG dipper!
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
You want the big dipper? I got the BIG dipper!
Posted by: Newbomb Turk at October 23, 2023 12:05 PM (h4nev)
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McCarthy could also have:
1) canceled morning debate; is just soundbites for TV anyway and takes time from committee work.
2) canceled member mailing; is just reelection campaigns on our dime, a perk they don't deserve if they are not doing their jobs
3) set the voting calendar for the floor and the committees
So it's a flat-out lie that he was working to get back to regular order.
He knew what he could have done-- he chose not to do anything.
But Gaetz is to blame?
And how about the fact that he only needed 4 of the 8 to support him to keep the Chair and he couldn't even do that? Couldn't/wouldn't even promise them anything.
1) canceled morning debate; is just soundbites for TV anyway and takes time from committee work.
2) canceled member mailing; is just reelection campaigns on our dime, a perk they don't deserve if they are not doing their jobs
3) set the voting calendar for the floor and the committees
So it's a flat-out lie that he was working to get back to regular order.
He knew what he could have done-- he chose not to do anything.
But Gaetz is to blame?
And how about the fact that he only needed 4 of the 8 to support him to keep the Chair and he couldn't even do that? Couldn't/wouldn't even promise them anything.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 23, 2023 12:05 PM (BT0nw)
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Trump never ever had a problem with deficits, politically or personally. He played the game to help get the fiscally conservative vote but that was all a smoke screen. I understood that when I voted for him.
Posted by: Drive
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And that's an honest take and I knew going in, he was a Big Government conservative. I personally care more about the border than deficits.
But I will say the "chickens have come home to roost" and now fiscal issues are a very big problem.
But Trump truly is WORSE than Democrats on spending. His fiscal record is terrible and he did all kinds of stupid shit like sending checks in the mail, deferring student loans, bailing out every corporation, etc.
Remember the Tea Party because banks got a short term loan? We're complete hypocrites that we pretended to care.
Posted by: Drive
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And that's an honest take and I knew going in, he was a Big Government conservative. I personally care more about the border than deficits.
But I will say the "chickens have come home to roost" and now fiscal issues are a very big problem.
But Trump truly is WORSE than Democrats on spending. His fiscal record is terrible and he did all kinds of stupid shit like sending checks in the mail, deferring student loans, bailing out every corporation, etc.
Remember the Tea Party because banks got a short term loan? We're complete hypocrites that we pretended to care.
Posted by: Blago at October 23, 2023 12:05 PM (wMRY8)
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"265 I do hope that Trump is better on the deficit in his next term.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (aD39U)"
They're simply not going to let that happen. If they feel they can't cheat enough, they're going to drop the MSM embargo on problems with the jab, which they'll pin on Trump. The news on that front is truly horrific so if they do that I can't see how he could possibly win.
"1) You can sleep in your car. You can't drive your house to work.
2) Much lengthier to evict than repossess.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (uiWTm)"
You can't reasonably sleep in your car for half of the year in half of the country. Too cold; it's just not practical for more than a couple of days.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (aD39U)"
They're simply not going to let that happen. If they feel they can't cheat enough, they're going to drop the MSM embargo on problems with the jab, which they'll pin on Trump. The news on that front is truly horrific so if they do that I can't see how he could possibly win.
"1) You can sleep in your car. You can't drive your house to work.
2) Much lengthier to evict than repossess.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (uiWTm)"
You can't reasonably sleep in your car for half of the year in half of the country. Too cold; it's just not practical for more than a couple of days.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 12:05 PM (p61dW)
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You're the one pushing the idea Trump was worse than Obama on spending. Nobody was claiming Trump was a deficit hawk.
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All I did is compare Obama's last year with Trump's first year. You then spent the next 10 posts talking about Obama.
Fine Obama sucked. And Trump also sucked. Happy? But if all you can say about Trump is he was as bad as or marginally better than Obama, it's not a great selling point.
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All I did is compare Obama's last year with Trump's first year. You then spent the next 10 posts talking about Obama.
Fine Obama sucked. And Trump also sucked. Happy? But if all you can say about Trump is he was as bad as or marginally better than Obama, it's not a great selling point.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (bWsRe)
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If you came here to talk but not listen, just fuck right off already. This hangout isn't your scene, asshole.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (44ww/)
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"Why do you dismiss the last year of the Trump administration like it never happened.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)"
That was the sign that it's dead, though.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)"
That was the sign that it's dead, though.
Posted by: somedood at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (p61dW)
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278 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 12:01 PM (eYoxG)
Why do you dismiss the last year of the Trump administration like it never happened.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)
Spending balloons during recessions and tax revenues fall(particularly if you shut down the economy).
Practically speaking there's little Presidents can do to avoid it since it's a consensus position for both parties to spend like mad during recessions.
I don't consequently try to compare Presidents' impact on spending in recession and year-after recession spending.
At any rate, the impact that Congress has on spending gets ignored and this makes no sense, we've seen them massively rein in spending before. Once under Obama, once under Clinton.
Why do you dismiss the last year of the Trump administration like it never happened.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)
Spending balloons during recessions and tax revenues fall(particularly if you shut down the economy).
Practically speaking there's little Presidents can do to avoid it since it's a consensus position for both parties to spend like mad during recessions.
I don't consequently try to compare Presidents' impact on spending in recession and year-after recession spending.
At any rate, the impact that Congress has on spending gets ignored and this makes no sense, we've seen them massively rein in spending before. Once under Obama, once under Clinton.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (eYoxG)
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McConnell Claims He Has Completely Recovered After Health Scares
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
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Maybe he's lying.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (d04cU)
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Was he moving his lips? That's usually a "tell" for politicians...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (FVME7)
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Maybe he's lying.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (d04cU)
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Was he moving his lips? That's usually a "tell" for politicians...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (YIVH2)
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Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you'll wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?......
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
Matthew 6:25 - 27
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (gmo/4)
This scripture reference should be repeated during the Friday gainz thread.
Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?
Matthew 6:25 - 27
Posted by: Archer at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (gmo/4)
This scripture reference should be repeated during the Friday gainz thread.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (BdMk6)
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250 224 The film actors guild will cast shame at the lack of cease-fire but have not yet noticed the start-fire.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (44ww/)
God forbid those sanctimonious fux cast aspersions on the armed men who raped those women and killed babies in self defense.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 23, 2023 11:57 AM (z+89e)
"Hey, there are good people on both sides." - The left without a hint of irony or self-awareness.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 11:52 AM (44ww/)
God forbid those sanctimonious fux cast aspersions on the armed men who raped those women and killed babies in self defense.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 23, 2023 11:57 AM (z+89e)
"Hey, there are good people on both sides." - The left without a hint of irony or self-awareness.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (KbCG3)
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"a product that has traditionally done an excellent job of weathering downturns"
Cosmetics?
Posted by: Rolling Donut
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A lot of lipstick being used to pretty up pigs lips.
Cosmetics?
Posted by: Rolling Donut
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A lot of lipstick being used to pretty up pigs lips.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (XeU6L)
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If you came here to talk but not listen, just fuck right off already. This hangout isn't your scene, asshole.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (44ww/)
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (44ww/)
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 23, 2023 12:06 PM (aD39U)
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"Only way the day of reckoning comes is if the dollar stops being the world's currency."
I hear that a lot but it is not clear to me why that would be. Endless fiscal stupidly will overwhelm any advantage from being the reserve currency. It seem like an excuse to avoid fiscal responsibility.
I hear that a lot but it is not clear to me why that would be. Endless fiscal stupidly will overwhelm any advantage from being the reserve currency. It seem like an excuse to avoid fiscal responsibility.
Posted by: Ripley at October 23, 2023 12:07 PM (JojsZ)
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Since you guys are doing spending charts, I'll repost my favorite money supply charts. Friedmanites, please note 2020!
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 12:07 PM (MvF+J)
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:07 PM (MNhXM)
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Why do you dismiss the last year of the Trump administration like it never happened.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)
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Because, reasons.
That's what the Trump die hards do. They make excuse after excuse. It's never Trump's fault. He's just an innocent bystander who has no control over what happened.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)
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Because, reasons.
That's what the Trump die hards do. They make excuse after excuse. It's never Trump's fault. He's just an innocent bystander who has no control over what happened.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 12:07 PM (bWsRe)
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So we're back to poor Trump his hands were tied. He reaaaaallllly wanted to cut spending. But those mean old Republicans in the house wouldn't let him. Is that what you're seriously saying? LOL.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (bWsRe)
==
Yes! Trump sent down his first budget which did real cutting, even eliminating some departments. Paul Ryno's response was this budget is dead on arrival." He then proceeded to fund everything by +20%. So if Trump vetoes budget omnibus bill he comes out as inexperienced of WDC, and has his own party against them publicly.
Posted by: Montec at October 23, 2023 11:55 AM (bWsRe)
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Yes! Trump sent down his first budget which did real cutting, even eliminating some departments. Paul Ryno's response was this budget is dead on arrival." He then proceeded to fund everything by +20%. So if Trump vetoes budget omnibus bill he comes out as inexperienced of WDC, and has his own party against them publicly.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 23, 2023 12:07 PM (17s+e)
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283 She has four freckles on her left thigh that look like the big dipper. I assume TJM will cite these as disqualifying.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
You want the big dipper? I got the BIG dipper!
Posted by: Newbomb Turk at October 23, 2023 12:05 PM (h4nev)
Where is that in relation to the Milky Way?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 23, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)
You want the big dipper? I got the BIG dipper!
Posted by: Newbomb Turk at October 23, 2023 12:05 PM (h4nev)
Where is that in relation to the Milky Way?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 23, 2023 12:08 PM (ynpvh)
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but now we will get probably get stuck with another CR, because that is all they will have time to accomplish if and when they ever figure out who is going to be Speaker.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (qySYq)
We were ALWAYS going to get stuck with another CR because > 400 members of the House prefer that outcome. All of this is part of shining a light on the cockroaches.
Posted by: Gerry Owen at October 23, 2023 11:42 AM (qySYq)
We were ALWAYS going to get stuck with another CR because > 400 members of the House prefer that outcome. All of this is part of shining a light on the cockroaches.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 23, 2023 12:08 PM (zhLdt)
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36...Anyone in DC for more than one term is very likely corrupt and in on the grift.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (mj0Qp)
Is be surprised if anyone GETTING to DC isn't corrupt. The local Parties are corrupt, too.A good person isn't going to get support from the local Party.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (mj0Qp)
Is be surprised if anyone GETTING to DC isn't corrupt. The local Parties are corrupt, too.A good person isn't going to get support from the local Party.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 23, 2023 12:09 PM (Rbu5d)
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NOOD Times
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 23, 2023 12:09 PM (ynpvh)
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nood
Posted by: Rolling Donut Unharmed By gp's Flying Leap at October 23, 2023 12:09 PM (MvF+J)
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While they toss and turn on a Speaker, there is no reason business of the House halts. A simple majority on any spending bill could be arranged by a vote. Simply cut last year's budget by 10% across the board and put that bill on the floor for each separate funding entity - departments. Hold up on DoD, State, IRS, DOJ, DoED. But basic bills that mean something to Americans should be no problem. Everyone gets a haircut but some get moar of a haircut than others. You know, like voting up or down on $ for Trannies and other Obama Freaks.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 23, 2023 12:09 PM (n14bF)
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NOODlum.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 23, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 23, 2023 12:10 PM (3CCua)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 23, 2023 12:10 PM (44ww/)
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Nood...
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 23, 2023 12:10 PM (Rbu5d)
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Anyone in DC for more than one term is very likely corrupt and in on the grift.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (mj0Qp)
Ted Cruz would be 10 x wealthier today if he just chose to practice law.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 23, 2023 11:11 AM (mj0Qp)
Ted Cruz would be 10 x wealthier today if he just chose to practice law.
Posted by: Drive by at October 23, 2023 12:10 PM (MNhXM)
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Since you guys are doing spending charts, I'll repost my favorite money supply charts. Friedmanites, please note 2020!
If I'm reading that dense text below the charts correctly, they're saying that in May 2020, meaning of "M1" changed so that the line before that and the line after that are not really usefully comparable.
If I'm reading that dense text below the charts correctly, they're saying that in May 2020, meaning of "M1" changed so that the line before that and the line after that are not really usefully comparable.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 23, 2023 12:12 PM (nfrXX)
Posted by: Ciampino - Your other left. at October 23, 2023 12:19 PM (qfLjt)
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Yes! Trump sent down his first budget which did real cutting, even eliminating some departments. Paul Ryno's response was this budget is dead on arrival." He then proceeded to fund everything by +20%. So if Trump vetoes budget omnibus bill he comes out as inexperienced of WDC, and has his own party against them publicly.
Yet he never once used the veto pen on the budget. I would have at least appreciated the symbolism.
Yet he never once used the veto pen on the budget. I would have at least appreciated the symbolism.
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at October 23, 2023 12:22 PM (Vu7A1)
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Amen, Buck.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at October 23, 2023 12:26 PM (iH1wI)
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If I'm reading that dense text below the charts correctly, they're saying that in May 2020, meaning of "M1" changed so that the line before that and the line after that are not really usefully comparable.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 23, 2023 12:12 PM (nfrXX)
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I think the Fed believes they are comparable. Savings deposits aren't that large, I would imagine (though I don't actually know), and I think the growth in money supply was primarily fiscal stimulus. The Feds created money and sent it to people, with the intention of offsetting the reduced multiplier effect (thanks to the Fauci shut down of the economy).
Posted by: Oddbob at October 23, 2023 12:12 PM (nfrXX)
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I think the Fed believes they are comparable. Savings deposits aren't that large, I would imagine (though I don't actually know), and I think the growth in money supply was primarily fiscal stimulus. The Feds created money and sent it to people, with the intention of offsetting the reduced multiplier effect (thanks to the Fauci shut down of the economy).
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 23, 2023 12:26 PM (oVcp3)
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Exactly.
Posted by: Mr. Barky at October 23, 2023 01:05 PM (jGKEZ)
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"...many conservative partisans and pundits whom I respect are distraught about this situation"
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This should be very illuminating for people. Suffice to say, you ought not have so much respect for even stealth members of Conservative Inc. Mark Levin lost his shit over Gaetz punting McCarthy. As if ANYTHING they do in the House means DICK at this point.
By all means, someone, anyone tell me that anything they're going to do in the House matters FUCK ALL at this point. Go for it. Tell me the investigation that will actually result in... anything. Or the House Bill that miraculously also passes the 50-50 senate, let alone gets signed by Biden. This is all failure theater of the highest order. And if you're thinking of wringing your hands over it, you're part of the fucking problem
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This should be very illuminating for people. Suffice to say, you ought not have so much respect for even stealth members of Conservative Inc. Mark Levin lost his shit over Gaetz punting McCarthy. As if ANYTHING they do in the House means DICK at this point.
By all means, someone, anyone tell me that anything they're going to do in the House matters FUCK ALL at this point. Go for it. Tell me the investigation that will actually result in... anything. Or the House Bill that miraculously also passes the 50-50 senate, let alone gets signed by Biden. This is all failure theater of the highest order. And if you're thinking of wringing your hands over it, you're part of the fucking problem
Posted by: deadrody at October 23, 2023 01:13 PM (Mn3Ag)
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THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE ERUPTS!!!
So happy was I at reading the title of Buck's post, that I didn't even bother reading the body of the post.
No reason to really.
All those self-righteous, holling, lying, bloviating, lobby whore asshats that run the G.O.P. have been pulling the OSB Shuffle for over 30 years now. So yeah, fuck them. Fuck them all. Fuck them to infinity.
Can't wait for their party to die as a political entity. They sold out the real president of the nation in 2020 [and for the period of 2017-2021 also] and they continue to sell us out. Please you anyone-with-an-R-after-their-name buffoons, just STOP supporting them!
So happy was I at reading the title of Buck's post, that I didn't even bother reading the body of the post.
No reason to really.
All those self-righteous, holling, lying, bloviating, lobby whore asshats that run the G.O.P. have been pulling the OSB Shuffle for over 30 years now. So yeah, fuck them. Fuck them all. Fuck them to infinity.
Can't wait for their party to die as a political entity. They sold out the real president of the nation in 2020 [and for the period of 2017-2021 also] and they continue to sell us out. Please you anyone-with-an-R-after-their-name buffoons, just STOP supporting them!
Posted by: Tracy at October 23, 2023 01:17 PM (Oxmhv)
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Oh, and if you're so laser focused on Trump doing better on the deficit if elected in 2024...
WHAT THE FUCK ? Are you fucking serious right now ? Do you see the dumpster fire that this country and the world have become in less than 3 years ? And you're worried about whether Trump will be better on the deficit ?
HO-LEE SHIT
WHAT THE FUCK ? Are you fucking serious right now ? Do you see the dumpster fire that this country and the world have become in less than 3 years ? And you're worried about whether Trump will be better on the deficit ?
HO-LEE SHIT
Posted by: deadrody at October 23, 2023 01:18 PM (Mn3Ag)
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"Trump raised the debt $3 Trillion in 3 years, bitbthe fourth was a Covid blowout"
No, *Congress* raised the debt $3 Trillion in 3 years.
Trump agreed to do it.
The House of Representatives are the source of all funding. If you don't like how much money is being spent, you need to fucking look there. The Senate can block spending (and demand more from the House) and the President can block spending (and can demand more from the House), but it all fucking starts from the House of Representatives.
No, *Congress* raised the debt $3 Trillion in 3 years.
Trump agreed to do it.
The House of Representatives are the source of all funding. If you don't like how much money is being spent, you need to fucking look there. The Senate can block spending (and demand more from the House) and the President can block spending (and can demand more from the House), but it all fucking starts from the House of Representatives.
Posted by: Richard Cranium at October 23, 2023 01:44 PM (JS5mH)
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Hear! Hear! Buck just hit it out of the park. I'm tired of all the going along to get along. Let it fail.
Posted by: AlecK at October 23, 2023 03:01 PM (cMlC1)
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It's amazing to me this isn't the one and only position taken by people on the right.
It isn't just spending. Does anyone really believe there wouldn't be 10 to 20 Republicans who would vote against impeaching Joe Biden?
It isn't just spending. Does anyone really believe there wouldn't be 10 to 20 Republicans who would vote against impeaching Joe Biden?
Posted by: blkemoji at October 23, 2023 04:09 PM (az7Dh)
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I'd be happy if there was an actual BUDGET at this point.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 23, 2023 04:14 PM (8sMut)
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Anyone who hasn't figured out yet that all the slimy, traitorous scumbag RINOs are poorly camoflaged demomarxists who are there...at the behest of the "Rockefeller Republicans" .... to ensure that actual conservative ideals are never allowed to roll back the ongoing march to marxist totalitarianism isn't really paying attention to the last 40-plus years.
The loathing the DC pieces of garbage have for President Trump (and all real Americans) grew exponentially when we had the audacity to elect Trump over the evil scumhag Hitlery in 2016. We aren't voting our way out of this banana republic tyranny because the globalists will not let us have anything close to an honest election ever again.
To still believe the GOP is a valid party, rather than the pathetic controlled opposition of the globalist totalitarians is the same as believing the Harlem Globetrotters were playing against an actual valid basketball team that was trying to beat them.
The loathing the DC pieces of garbage have for President Trump (and all real Americans) grew exponentially when we had the audacity to elect Trump over the evil scumhag Hitlery in 2016. We aren't voting our way out of this banana republic tyranny because the globalists will not let us have anything close to an honest election ever again.
To still believe the GOP is a valid party, rather than the pathetic controlled opposition of the globalist totalitarians is the same as believing the Harlem Globetrotters were playing against an actual valid basketball team that was trying to beat them.
Posted by: Pete at October 23, 2023 07:17 PM (oGCsw)
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The majority of the GOP is just part of the uniparty. All feeding at the trough.
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