THE MORNING RANT: Layoffs and Production Shutdowns as (Non-Tesla) EV Sales Miss Targets

The “EV transition” has stalled out, and except for Tesla, electric vehicle manufacturers are seeing their growth stall. In some cases sales are collapsing.

Ford is shaping up as a big loser in their electric pickup truck endeavor.

“Sales of the F-150 lightning electric pickup were off about 46% during third quarter due to slower-than-expected demand and downtime at the plant” [CNBC – 10/04/2023]

Ford sold 6,464 F150 Lightning EVs in Q3 2022, but sales in Q3 2023 fell to just 3,503 which annualizes to only 42,000 per year. Ford executives ~~think~~ pretend they’re going to sell hundreds of thousands of EV pickups per year, but demand has already imploded. Even worse, a great many of the recent Lightning sales are to governmental fleets. Consumers have rejected this product.

As for “downtime at the plant” affecting sales of the F150 Lighting EV, an ideal supply of vehicles on dealer lots is 60 days’ worth, Ford dealers are currently choking on a 97-day supply of Lightnings nationwide with 3,632 for sale. “Downtime” is not retarding sales.

Meanwhile, Ford has suddenly canceled all further deliveries to dealers of 2023 model year F150 Lightnings that are not already pre-sold.

“Ford cancels dealer stock orders of 2023 F-150 Lightning to do quality checks” [Detroit Free Press – 10/02/2023]

Dealer stock orders for the 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning were canceled in the U.S. in recent days, the Detroit Free Press has learned.
Ford confirmed Monday that the all-electric pickups are undergoing "additional quality checks" at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center.

“Additional quality checks”? Is something wrong with them?

The issue is not safety-related, Gunsberg said.

No, the issue is the growing glut of 2023 model year F150 Lightnings.

Ford is now working to match its 2023 supply with demand as the company prepares to change over to 2024 Lightning production later this year, said Ford spokesman Marty Gunsberg.

Let me translate. What would have been year-model 2023 electric pickups are now going to be year-model 2024 electric pickups (after their “additional quality checks” so as to ensure that there is not a glut of unsold prior-year model Lightnings in 2024. Don’t misunderstand, there will still be a glut of these unwanted pickups, but at least the dealers will be sitting on a glut of year-model 2024 Lightnings.

By the way, it’s not just Ford suffering from poor EV sales. Pretty much any company not named Tesla is seeing demand that is much less than they anticipated. (“Volkswagen cites slow demand amid EV production cuts at German plants” [Electrek – 9/26/2023])

With demand for EVs collapsing, there is also decreasing demand for the lithium-ion batteries that ~~incinerate~~ propel them.

Earlier this year Ford announced a new $3.5 billion investment in an EV battery venture in Marshall, Michigan. It is already backpedaling.

“Ford suddenly pauses massive EV battery project that Republicans are probing over CCP ties” [Fox Business – 9/25/2023]

The media tried to spin the story as being about those rascally Republicans hating on China, but it’s pretty easy to understand what is really going on. Ford is not going to spend any more money on this plant since the batteries that would be manufactured there aren’t going to be needed.

Ford said in a statement to FOX Business that work on the factory had been paused and spending would be limited, but declined to pinpoint the exact considerations that factored into the decision.
"We’re pausing work and limiting spending on construction on the Marshall project until we’re confident about our ability to competitively operate the plant," Ford spokesperson T.R. Reid told FOX Business. "We haven’t made any final decision about the planned investment there."

A South Korean EV battery plant in in Georgia is laying off employees due to softening demand. SK Battery manufactures EV batteries for Ford and Volkswagen.

“SK Battery ushered EV sector into Georgia. Now it is cutting some jobs” [Atlanta Journal Constitution – 9/27/2023]

SK Battery America in Jackson County, among the foundational manufacturers in Georgia’s electric vehicle ecosystem, is laying off workers after years of rapid expansion.
SK Battery declined to say Tuesday evening how many positions are involved, but the company has confirmed that a group of workers have been laid off in Commerce, about 70 miles northeast of downtown Atlanta, where the subsidiary of South Korea-based SK Innovation has two lithium-ion battery manufacturing facilities.
…layoffs were needed because SK Battery is “aligning production with current market demands.”

Speaking of SK Battery, it does not appear to be a very good corporate citizen in Georgia. It had a pattern of illegally dumping prohibited lithium-ion batteries at a nearby recycling center. Despite being previously caught and instructed not to do so again, SB kept dumping the explosive batteries at the recycle center. They will not be doing so anymore, because the recycle center burned down, with SK’s batteries found in the ashes of the fire. The local fire department took four days and 3 million gallons of water to extinguish the inferno.

SK is now being sued for $26 million in damages.

“Recycling center blames SK Battery for fire that destroyed business” [Fox 5 Atlanta – 8/10/2023]

The owner of a recycling center in Banks County blamed SK Battery for causing a tremendous fire last month that destroyed his business. Metro Site accepted industrial waste for recycling such as paper, plastic, and metals. It is not permitted to accept hazardous waste like lithium-ion batteries, the kind manufactured at SK’s sprawling Commerce plant three miles away.
When [Scott Ledford] arrived, he said the fire had spread from a section of material delivered by SK Battery, flames leaping high into the air, and creating a plume of thick black smoke.
According to a lawsuit Metro Site filed on July 30 against SK Battery, workers discovered two lithium-ion batteries near the start of the fire.
It wasn’t the first time.
According to the lawsuit, SK Battery America was caught "illegally dumping charged pouch cell LIBs" (lithium-ion batteries) six other times during previous deliveries of recycling materials.
SK Battery "assured Plaintiff that proactive, preventative measures would be put in place and there would be no further illegal dumping and delivery of charged pouch cell LIBs…"

And still speaking of SK…

Ford Motor Company has been making a lot of really bad long-range decisions when it comes to EVs, so it’s not surprising that Ford is teaming up with SK on its massive EV venture in Tennessee and Kentucky.

Ford, SK Invest $11.4 Billion in Electric Truck, Battery Plants [Bloomberg – 9/27/2021]

Ford Motor Co. and South Korea’s SK Innovation Co. plan to spend $11.4 billion to construct three battery factories and an assembly plant for electric F-Series pickup trucks in Tennessee and Kentucky, the biggest investment in the U.S. automaker’s history.

Construction on these plants is underway, with some hiring scheduled to start in 2024, and production to commence in 2025. Ford is planning to build 500,000 electric truck per year there.

With EV production already exceeding demand, and with Ford shutting down other EV battery plants, and with SK laying people off at its existing battery plants, there doesn’t appear to be any production needed at these vast new plants.

Republican Tennessee Governor Bill Lee (along with the GOP-controlled legislature) has committed $884 million taxpayer dollars – including a $500 million grant paid directly to Ford - to this project. In addition, the state is condemning land from rural farmers (who are mainly black) to build roads to this boondoggle, named Blue Oval City. (“Black farming community fights to get fair deal as state takes land for Ford plant roadways” - Tennessee Lookout – 4/03/2023)

Blue Oval City is shaping up to be a catastrophic financial debacle for Ford, which will need approximately 0% of the battery and vehicle production capacity that is being built. It should also be catastrophic for the Tennessee politicians who bought the EV hype and chose to waste so much taxpayer money on this ridiculous gamble.

I intend to write more about Blue Oval City as construction progresses and the EV situation worsens over the next two years. If any of you are involved with that project in any capacity, I’d be interested in hearing your stories.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 13, 2023 11:00 AM (T4tVD)

2 Shocking!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2023 11:00 AM (uSHSS)

3 Foist!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 13, 2023 11:00 AM (ScR16)

4 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

5 EV's = A fool and their money are soon parted

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

6 Yup.

Posted by: XTC at October 13, 2023 11:02 AM (sm6Pk)

7 Each of the 8 billion people on Earth has a share of the atmosphere which weighs 740,000 TONS. Unless you and every other person on Earth are each changing the temperature of a different 740,000 tons of air, mankind is not causing climate change. End of discussion.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 13, 2023 11:02 AM (CecP5)

8 The “EV transition” has stalled out, and except for Tesla, electric vehicle manufacturers are seeing their growth stall. In some cases sales are collapsing.

If only someone who gets paid millions of dollars per year to "lead" their company could have foreseen this.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:03 AM (1Z8zZ)

9 SPONGE!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 11:04 AM (aQy7p)

10 The Middle East conflict could be solved in one minute if both sides just sat down for a refreshing cup of King Harv's Imperial Coffee...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 13, 2023 11:04 AM (TGPs7)

11 I thought you "created demand" w/a superior product at a competitive price...did I miss something?

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2023 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

12 Wall Street Silver
@WallStreetSilv
Sweden now has 61 "no-go zones" where the police basically have given up and allow what they call "parallel societies".

Sweden has recently elected a new government that is promising to deport more and cutoff the fake refugee issue. We will see if they can turn it around. It might be too late.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 13, 2023 11:04 AM (TGPs7)

13 The amount of money companies spend on useless ventures is staggering.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:04 AM (sX1BW)

14 Hmmm. EVs suck. Whoda thunk it?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 11:05 AM (aQy7p)

15 It really does amaze me that the faults of Tesla are well guarded secrets. You don't read about ANY of the bullshit that comes along with owning one of those, INCLUDING the spontaneous combustion issue they all seem to have.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)

16 It's Ford Truck Month!

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 11:05 AM (4I/2K)

17 but sales in Q3 2023 fell to just 3,503 which annualizes to only 42,000 per year.

The math checks out!

Posted by: Sandy Cortez at October 13, 2023 11:05 AM (Otxz7)

18 Ford sold 6,464 F150 Lightning EVs in Q3 2022, but sales in Q3 2023 fell to just 3,503 which annualizes to only 42,000 per year.

I'm guessing math isn't allowed at CNBC?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:05 AM (1Z8zZ)

19 It really does amaze me that the faults of Tesla are well guarded secrets. You don't read about ANY of the bullshit that comes along with owning one of those, INCLUDING the spontaneous combustion issue they all seem to have.

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I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)

20 SPONGE!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 11:04 AM (aQy7p)

Woot!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)

21
Slow sales? OK, effective January 1, 2024 all sales of ICE vehicles are banned.

By my Supreme Authority,
Joseph R. Biden.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 13, 2023 11:07 AM (MoZTd)

22 [Cough! Hack!] [Spit]

Well, electric cars are for raisin-hoarding faggots, so....

Posted by: Madame Defarge at October 13, 2023 11:07 AM (DZrNt)

23 It's Ford Truck Month!
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 11:05 AM (4I/2K)

Then buy a truck, not a golf cart.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

24 Any more ships with EVs aboard catch fire?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2023 11:07 AM (ssQ2y)

25 Even worse, a great many of the recent Lightning sales are to governmental fleets. Consumers have rejected this product.

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Unexpectedly and unexpectedly!

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 13, 2023 11:07 AM (8QCh5)

26
I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)

Then they haven't had a flat tire yet.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)

27 Wow - reality pokes it head up once in a while. Who could have seen that coming?

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:08 AM (naiw2)

28 FREE TURTLEBOY!

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 13, 2023 11:08 AM (TGPs7)

29 Im a car guy and I don't immediately pooh pooh EVs. Forced transition is a different deal.

Musk is beating the other carmakers at their own game. Tesla cars (don't own one) are good cars and I see them everywhere.

Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2023 11:08 AM (dWjpk)

30 the BF informed me that the workers at Ford's main truck plant just went out

Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 11:09 AM (dCxaZ)

31 I wish there was a way to hold politicians, bureaucrats and the environmental NGOs who promote this government policy supporting EV financially responsible for the all the wasted money.

Some way to stop the nonsense and allow people to have a real conversation about energy and transportation.

Posted by: Iris at October 13, 2023 11:09 AM (n3DL0)

32 26
I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)
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Its a religion. I've never met an angry Mormon. Doesn't mean I want to be a Mormon.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:09 AM (naiw2)

33 Shark Week! > Ford Truck Month! > McRib is Back!*

* For A Limited Time

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 11:09 AM (4I/2K)

34 God of the copybook headings.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2023 11:10 AM (ssQ2y)

35 I have a question. Are there multiple degrees of retardation? Because the idea of electric trucks seems way more retarded than the normal, garden-variety retarded ideas.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2023 11:10 AM (RG6z4)

36
Musk is beating the other carmakers at their own game. Tesla cars (don't own one) are good cars and I see them everywhere.
Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2023 11:08 AM (dWjpk)

They are everywhere. They're overpriced plastic cars that are fun to piddle around town in because they're quick.

Don't drive from Dallas to Lubbock in one. That would be equivalent to FAFO.

There's a reason that guy in Finland blew his up.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)

37 OT:
A quick shout out to the US Navy!!!
Happy Birthday squids!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2023 11:10 AM (uSHSS)

38 I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.
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Same - they are thick around where I live in the North Atlanta burbs and people love them.

It's more of a cost thing, not an environmental thing.

Posted by: MJ at October 13, 2023 11:10 AM (zwDuR)

39 Any more ships with EVs aboard catch fire?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2023 11:07 AM (ssQ2y)

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Can't wait for future US Navy EV Aircraft Carriers with EV Planes and EV Transport Ships carrying other EV Land Vehicles to erupt into conflagrations and sink as they're going out to battle.

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 13, 2023 11:11 AM (8QCh5)

40 The media tried to spin the story as being about those rascally Republicans hating on China, but it’s pretty easy to understand what is really going on. Ford is not going to spend any more money on this plant since the batteries that would be manufactured there aren’t going to be needed.

First things first. ALL EV MANUFACTURERS need to all get together and decide on one universal battery pack. Much like computer companies did with hard drives.

Having 32 different EV manufacturers making 32 different battery packs is stupid & cost prohibitive.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:11 AM (Y2tls)

41 Fords got a timing problem with the Lightning trucks. 2024 model year is shipping soon. So they are cutting off 2023 for that reason also. Plus Cybertruck is coming very soon.

Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2023 11:11 AM (dWjpk)

42 I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)
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Its a religion. I've never met an angry Mormon. Doesn't mean I want to be a Mormon.

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I know plenty of conservatives who drive Teslas. The product is a good product, and Tesla has gone a long way to making it easier to charge their car. It isn't a car for the masses - though even Teslas are relatively affordable. There is a reason Tesla is succeeding while these other EV ventures are failing.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:11 AM (sX1BW)

43 Like a great many people, most of my car trips are under 25 miles. But some are longer and I don't want "range anxiety", long delays at a charging station, extra weight of batteries, or even a small risk of a catastrophic car fire.

Call me a Luddite. We are many!

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 13, 2023 11:11 AM (nNPyb)

44 Teacher in France stabbed to death by student who shouted "Allahu Akbar".

Obviously a militant Hugenot, or perhaps a Lutheran of some sort.

Watch your six, morons of the Jewish persuasion, or morons of any persuasion, really. Murdering savages gonna murdering savage.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 11:11 AM (Y6AXb)

45
Having 32 different EV manufacturers making 32 different battery packs is stupid & cost prohibitive.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:11 AM (Y2tls)

Hey bud. What's your problem?!?

Posted by: Apple, Inc. at October 13, 2023 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)

46 Lightning sales are molasses.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:12 AM (FVME7)

47 Any more ships with EVs aboard catch fire?

the bus that crashed in Venice, killing most aboard was a fully electric vehicle

I don't know if that contributed to the cause of the crash

Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 11:12 AM (dCxaZ)

48
I have a good sized lithium ion battery for home electric backup. I've learned a lot in the past two months about the things. The perfect temperature for holding the electrons is somewhere around 65 to 70 degrees. Above not good, below not good.

So Tesla, in sunny south CA has a good market because of location, location, location. Some people in the auto industry should do some research because I suspect consumers are doing some themselves and saying, "Forget about it."

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 13, 2023 11:12 AM (enJYY)

49 I have a question. Are there multiple degrees of retardation? Because the idea of electric trucks seems way more retarded than the normal, garden-variety retarded ideas.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2023 11:10 AM (RG6z4)

Well, there used to be....moron, idiot, etc. were "ranking" terms....also imbecile.

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2023 11:12 AM (AwYPR)

50 I can't wait for all these happy Tesla owners have to replace the battery pack.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (Zz0t1)

51 They'll just destroy the market for gas cars. If you won't respond to government's inadequate carrot, you'll get the stick.

Posted by: It's for Da Earf. at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (KFhLj)

52 TL : DR

The electric car fad has about run its course. Someone should tell Washington (and the states too).

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (9oaP6)

53 Let's buy an electric truck that is not a functional truck.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (8ay+b)

54 Toyota claims they now have a functional ammonia engine.
That's zero carbon emissions.

Others have tried using diesel or gas blends.

This would be the future of carbon free. Far better than even the theoretical peak of electric.

I am skeptical as it's Toyota partnered with a Chinese firm. And China lies about everything.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (TzW+Y)

55 Well, there used to be....moron, idiot, etc. were "ranking" terms....also imbecile.

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Democrat

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (sX1BW)

56 the BF informed me that the workers at Ford's main truck plant just went out.

KTP in Louisville. Where every Super Duty is made.

Posted by: Cliffs Notes at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (YY7ba)

57 I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)
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Son-in-Law bought an electric. He said he got it for two reasons: he got the best parking as all the recharging station were right in front of his office building; and his commute was about 15 minutes because of a special lane for EVs.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (uSHSS)

58 At one point I floated the idea of owning an EV vehicle when I eventually retire. Something to use to get around town.
But after reading the problems with EV's in regards to limited range, lack of infrastructure in charging stations and the possibility of the battery catching fire, I am going to say Nah.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (Oq/TM)

59 Ford even ruined their ICE pickups for people who want do use pickups for tough work. Lots of stories out there about the aluminum beds getting beat up with normal pickup use.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (3cGpq)

60 Musk is beating the other carmakers at their own game. Tesla cars (don't own one) are good cars and I see them everywhere.
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It looks to me that the Tesla body was reminiscent of the Volvo. Volvo owners were very loyal and prided themselves on driving a unique car and the status it brought them. Same thing with Subarus in the early days until it became the Bud Light of Jap Imports due to lesbians. Not interested in EVs cuz of the Life Cycle Costs.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (naiw2)

61 Electric vehicles are not a fad. You WILL be made to love them. Or not drive at all.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (8ay+b)

62 I would buy and drive a Cybertruck. But for, you know, money.

My current truck is cheap except when I fill it up.

Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (dWjpk)

63 *eats popcorn*🍿
That's a shame

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (xcxpd)

64 They'll just destroy the market for gas cars. If you won't respond to government's inadequate carrot, you'll get the stick.
Posted by: It's for Da Earf

BFD. My ex can fly one.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (Y2tls)

65 Tesla cars (don't own one) are good cars

By any reasonable measure, they're godawful shitty cars, with garbage interiors and build quality that would've been laughed at by Hyundai in the '80s. But you can't reason with a cultist.

Posted by: spindrift at October 13, 2023 11:15 AM (Otxz7)

66 59 Ford even ruined their ICE pickups for people who want do use pickups for tough work. Lots of stories out there about the aluminum beds getting beat up with normal pickup use.
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Would throwing a 3/4 inch sheet of plywood in the bed not prevent most of the damage?

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:15 AM (naiw2)

67 I would buy and drive a Cybertruck. But for, you know, money.

My current truck is cheap except when I fill it up.
Posted by: blaster

My 2007 Ford Ranger has been paid off since the day I bought it.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:15 AM (Y2tls)

68 > Lots of stories out there about the aluminum beds

They're making the beds out of *aluminum*?

Don't get me wrong, aluminum is a wonderful material for many uses, and an adequate one for many more.

It's not a good choice for anything that's gonna get beat up. Like, say, truck beds.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 11:16 AM (Y6AXb)

69 Ford even ruined their ICE pickups for people who want do use pickups for tough work. Lots of stories out there about the aluminum beds getting beat up with normal pickup use.
Posted by: PaleRider at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (3cGpq)

The aluminum truck was built for the yuppy f*cks that bought their truck as a show piece, not work. Those using it for work got screwed because the option for a steel truck wasn't there, unless you went Super Duty.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)

70

Stellantis and Samsung plan to build a second EV battery plant in Kokomo, Indiana, a town where many current Stellantis workers see such plants as a threat to their current jobs.

All the automakers are in the process of building EV battery plants, and all of them are using joint ventures with battery manufacturers such as Samsung to build and run the plants. They have all insisted that will make the employees of the plants employees of the joint ventures, not the automakers themselves. And the pay at US EV battery plants that have opened so far is a fraction of what UAW members get when working for the automakers.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2023 11:16 AM (63Dwl)

71 Would throwing a 3/4 inch sheet of plywood in the bed not prevent most of the damage?
Posted by: Puddinhead

No. Sidewalls are aluminum beer can material also. If it moves, it dents.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:17 AM (Y2tls)

72 By any reasonable measure, they're godawful shitty cars, with garbage interiors and build quality that would've been laughed at by Hyundai in the '80s. But you can't reason with a cultist.
Posted by: spindrift at October 13, 2023 11:15 AM (Otxz7)

Except none of that is true.

Sales are well past the cult phase.

Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2023 11:17 AM (dWjpk)

73
My 2007 Ford Ranger has been paid off since the day I bought it.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:15 AM (Y2tls)

I'm currently in a battle with my 96. It's on its 2nd clogged catalytic converter (F*CK YOU ethanol), so I'm attempting some workarounds instead of spending another $200 for one. It just crossed the 200k mi barrier.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)

74 The mandates for everything EV from Joe to Gavin explain this situation also.

Another reason is the batteries will last 8-13 years ( my guess based on limited reading in addition to use).

That means at the end of this decade, after a 6 or 7 year loan many people are going to have to replace the battery.

IOW: I just paid $60K and now have to buy a 15-20K battery along with a hefty disposal fee. None if these idiots have thought that far ahead.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at October 13, 2023 11:17 AM (FxH7T)

75 The huge unquechable fire: bug or feature?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (as3uC)

76 All the automakers are in the process of building EV battery plants, and all of them are using joint ventures with battery manufacturers such as Samsung to build and run the plants.

Thats the dirty little secret. The Big Three are using EVs as an end run around the UAW contract. I gotta' side with the UAW on this one.

Posted by: Cliffs Notes at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (YY7ba)

77 I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)

They bask in the warm glow of their reflected virtue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (iQkDx)

78 It used to be the case that the rear taillights had the manufacturing year on them. If this is still the case are they going to change those to 'convert' them to 2024s?

Posted by: Ciampino - Dodd's butt budy. at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (qfLjt)

79 Ford even ruined their ICE pickups for people who want do use pickups for tough work. Lots of stories out there about the aluminum beds getting beat up with normal pickup use.
Posted by: PaleRider at October 13, 2023 11:14 AM (3cGpq)

The aluminum truck was built for the yuppy f*cks that bought their truck as a show piece, not work. Those using it for work got screwed because the option for a steel truck wasn't there, unless you went Super Duty.
Posted by: Sponge

Used to, you could walk into the dealership and ask for Fleet Sales and go buy a no frills pickup truck.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (Y2tls)

80 I thought you "created demand" w/a superior product at a competitive price...did I miss something?
Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2023 11:04 AM (AwYPR)

Heavens, are you out of touch.

You "create demand" by funding the election of people who will mandate what you want irrespective of possibility. You then have them pledge a significant portion of GDP to select businesses who will work toward supplying that which cannot be supplied. This lasts for 15 - 20 years. Then you retire and someone else cleans up the mess.

Superior product... pshaw. -- modern CEOs

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (1Z8zZ)

81 You know what I haven't had for a while? Ham. A big, thick slice of ham. Smoked or baked, I wouldn't mind either.

Gotta see about getting me some ham.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:19 AM (xcxpd)

82 Son-in-Law bought an electric. He said he got it for two reasons: he got the best parking as all the recharging station were right in front of his office building; and his commute was about 15 minutes because of a special lane for EVs.
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The lane privilege's is beyond rational. I used to be only for High Occupancy Vehicles. Now the faith directs State Subsidized Purchase Vehicles. So much for carpooling.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:19 AM (naiw2)

83 Except none of that is true.

Enjoy your shitty plastic interior and mile-wide panel gaps then.

Posted by: spindrift at October 13, 2023 11:19 AM (Otxz7)

84 We considered having an EV charging hookup installed in the garage before we sold the house in CO just to boost the selling price but it was a pretty spendy expenditure so we scrapped it.

Personally, I would never have such a thing in any structure attached to my house, let alone charge an EV in my garage.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 13, 2023 11:19 AM (YRsIm)

85 FREE TURTLEBOY!
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 13, 2023 11:08 AM (TGPs7)

With purchase of Turtleboy of equal or greater value.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:20 AM (iQkDx)

86
Used to, you could walk into the dealership and ask for Fleet Sales and go buy a no frills pickup truck.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (Y2tls)

That's pretty much my F250. We call her 'Plain Jane' because there are no bells, lights or whistles, so to speak, other than the Sync system.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

87 Greetings! It occurs to me that we are living in a re enactment of the 1970s, only with worse music.
War in the mid east, inflation, strikes, arabs threatening to shut off energy supplies, monetary policy out of control, a weak US administration, and other similarities.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at October 13, 2023 11:20 AM (MeG8a)

88 Stellantis and Samsung plan to build a second EV battery plant in Kokomo, Indiana, a town where many current Stellantis workers see such plants as a threat to their current jobs.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2023 11:16 AM (63Dwl)

BMW is building a battery plant about a mile from my house...at least there's a fire hydrant at the end of my driveway.

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2023 11:20 AM (AwYPR)

89 Keep hammering EV's, Buck!

The problems with manufacturers all lead back to them being run by marketing people rather than engineers. Boeing did this years ago and now their planes crash. Same is happening with the auto companies furnished by government.

Posted by: Danimal28 at October 13, 2023 11:21 AM (klw0w)

90 I have a question. Are there multiple degrees of retardation? Because the idea of electric trucks seems way more retarded than the normal, garden-variety retarded ideas.
Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2023 11:10 AM (RG6z4)

Now do electric semis.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:21 AM (1Z8zZ)

91 Is everyone sitting down? You might want to sit before reading further:

Israel accused of using cluster bombs in Gaza. The Israeli military is facing accusations of deploying internationally prohibited cluster bombs in its ongoing attacks on Gaza. This revelation not only casts a spotlight on the tactics employed by the Israeli forces but also raises serious concerns about potential violations of international humanitarian law.

The use of cluster bombs is deemed illegal under the Convention on Cluster Munitions. This international treaty explicitly prohibits all use, production, transfer, and stockpiling of cluster munitions. However, Israel remains one of the countries that has not signed this treaty. Their alleged use of these weapons, therefore, skirts international law and raises questions about accountability and adherence to humanitarian principles.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 13, 2023 11:21 AM (JCZqz)

92 Semi related.

This is what it looks like when lithium-ion batteries explode in your hotel room

https://tinyurl.com/3buzxmj9

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)

93 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (1Z8zZ)

Why Billionaires support leftist politicians 101.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:22 AM (8ay+b)

94 Used to, you could walk into the dealership and ask for Fleet Sales and go buy a no frills pickup truck.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:18 AM (Y2tls)

That's pretty much my F250. We call her 'Plain Jane' because there are no bells, lights or whistles, so to speak, other than the Sync system.
Posted by: Sponge

That was my 2012 F150. Hand crank windows and rubber floor mat. No carpet. Just wipe the dirt & mud out.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:22 AM (Y2tls)

95
That was my 2012 F150. Hand crank windows and rubber floor mat. No carpet. Just wipe the dirt & mud out.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:22 AM (Y2tls)

Yep.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)

96 No. Sidewalls are aluminum beer can material also. If it moves, it dents.
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That reminds me of the OPEC Mustang bodies of the mid 70s. Couldn't believe how thin they were.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:23 AM (naiw2)

97
This is what it looks like when lithium-ion batteries explode in your hotel room

https://tinyurl.com/3buzxmj9
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:21 AM (FVME7)

Now, go park that in your garage before bed and sleep tight!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (Zz0t1)

98 I buy cars based on 2 things:
1 Interior, because that is where I spend my time
2 Functionality: does it do what I need it to do

Don't give a shit what it looks like or what color it is.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (8ay+b)

99 9 people died in the production of The Exorcist...
Bill O'Reilly

He's got a new book out, Killing The Witches.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (TGPs7)

100 I intend to write more about Blue Oval City as construction progresses and the EV situation worsens over the next two years. If any of you are involved with that project in any capacity, I’d be interested in hearing your stories.

I grew up in that area and still have family and friends there. One of the guys I grew up with is on the "Megasite Authority" board. I'm told that one of the massive problems they're having is that no one is interested in working there and that they've raised the starting wage offer to $37.50/hr. A few reasons for that: much of the population is poorly educated and lack the requisite skills and that's even if they can pass a urinalysis. Those who are from there that could or would do the job mostly left for greener pastures years ago. . .to the point that one of my high school reunions was almost held in Nashville because so many of our class now lived in that area. It's just a given that anyone capable will leave the area as soon as they graduate from high school. Another reason is that there is a massive welfare culture in the area that even $37.50/hr can't overcome. Yes, it's that bad.

Posted by: Bert G at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (VARTN)

101
Breaking News: 2023 $75,000 pickups don't sell when they have the driving range of a 1978 pickup that got 8 mpg.

Posted by: Frank Barone at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (+oR7L)

102 Greetings! It occurs to me that we are living in a re enactment of the 1970s, only with worse music.
War in the mid east, inflation, strikes, arabs threatening to shut off energy supplies, monetary policy out of control, a weak US administration, and other similarities.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

It's a Disney remake of the 70s, with additional deviant behavior and poor character replacements.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (mNmNo)

103 Pretty sure if you don’t sign a treaty, you aren’t bound by it. You’d think lefttard reporters would know this.

And aren’t all treaties “international”. Saying it just makes them look stupid.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (JTwsP)

104 The electric car fad has about run its course. Someone should tell Washington (and the states too).
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (9oaP6)

You WILL do as you are fucking told, plebe. -- DC

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (1Z8zZ)

105 26
I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)

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Given the price of Teslas, buyers can afford to buy a fun car, a garage charging station, and have one or two ICE cars to use for normal driving and long trips.

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (nNPyb)

106 The electric car fad has about run its course. Someone should tell Washington (and the states too).
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Fad? Fad?

Oh, buddy. This isn't a fad. This is a death march of the middle class.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (IG4Id)

107 I know Ford didn't just swap to aluminum for no reason. With the CAFE mandates companies had to either increase MPG on their bigger vehicles or limit production of those lower MPG vehicles to meet the federal requirements. What it means for me is that I want to keep my pickup running for my lifetime, replacement options are shitty.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (3cGpq)

108 You know what I haven't had for a while? Ham. A big, thick slice of ham. Smoked or baked, I wouldn't mind either.

Gotta see about getting me some ham.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:19 AM (xcxpd)

If you ain't eatin' Wham!, you ain't eatin' ham!

Posted by: Mr. Blandings' Housekeeper at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (4I/2K)

109 Still don’t understand why they skipped over Hybrids and went straight to being all in on EVs.

Or am I incorrect and there is a hybrid F-150 ?

Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 11:25 AM (MNhXM)

110 Don't give a shit what it looks like or what color it is.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

There's a reason most cars in Texas are white.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:25 AM (Y2tls)

111 WeaselTruck is an F150 4x4 with a V8 and towing package. Brush guard on the front for ramming shit. It does have carpet and electric windows, though.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2023 11:26 AM (JwHpX)

112
Gotta see about getting me some ham.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:19 AM (xcxpd)

Wife went to the new HEB grocery store over in Plano/Frisco area and came back with some thick deli sliced ham.

Damn good. Sorry you're missing out.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)

113 "Ford sold 6,464 F150 Lightning EVs in Q3 2022, but sales in Q3 2023 fell to just 3,503 which annualizes to only 42,000 per year. Ford executives think pretend they’re going to sell hundreds of thousands of EV pickups per year, but demand has already imploded. "

If only there was some professional position that studied market trends and consumer demand and then put forth yearly demand estimates such that manufacturers could structure their build numbers based on that.

We could call them 'Market analysts'.

Nah!
-- FoMoCo

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:26 AM (J47y1)

114 I bought my first new car in 1979 and it was an F-150 base model pickup. It didn't even have a radio in it. To buy the Toyota equivalent would have cost me $1,000 more than the Ford. Cost me $5,000 new.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:26 AM (naiw2)

115 103 Pretty sure if you don’t sign a treaty, you aren’t bound by it. You’d think lefttard reporters would know this.

And aren’t all treaties “international”. Saying it just makes them look stupid.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (JTwsP)

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Also, countries break treaties all the time. There is no higher body to keep countries to their promises, no matter the UN's pretensions and ambitions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

116 And yet the compromised auto websites will tell you that EVs are the greatest things since sliced bread.

Posted by: mr tmz at October 13, 2023 11:26 AM (rJ48h)

117 103 Pretty sure if you don’t sign a treaty, you aren’t bound by it. You’d think lefttard reporters would know this.

And aren’t all treaties “international”. Saying it just makes them look stupid.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 13, 2023 11:24 AM (JTwsP)

All treaties are indeed international. Multilateral is probably what is meant.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 13, 2023 11:27 AM (eYoxG)

118 94 It used to be pretty easy to buy a small no frills pickup, Datsun/Nissan and Toyota. They came no frills and most options were dealer installed.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:27 AM (0EOe9)

119 Pretty sure if you don’t sign a treaty, you aren’t bound by it. You’d think lefttard reporters would know this.

And aren’t all treaties “international”. Saying it just makes them look stupid.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

How many treaties has Hamas signed?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:27 AM (Y2tls)

120 The “EV transition” has stalled out, and except for Tesla, electric vehicle manufacturers are seeing their growth stall. In some cases sales are collapsing.
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They can't stall! They're electric!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg)

121 It used to be pretty easy to buy a small no frills pickup, Datsun/Nissan and Toyota. They came no frills and most options were dealer installed.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

AND welcome CAFE standards!~~!! It's for your own good.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (IG4Id)

122 Still don’t understand why they skipped over Hybrids and went straight to being all in on EVs.

Or am I incorrect and there is a hybrid F-150 ?
Posted by: Drive By

I have never heard of one.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (Y2tls)

123 No carpet. Just wipe the dirt & mud out.
Posted by: rickb223

We talking pickups here or a long ago GF?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (J47y1)

124 As for cluster munitions, keep in mind most of these people were cheering sending them to Ukraine.

As for Israeli use of them here? Given there are believed to be plans to use ground troops, it seems to me unlikely but I suppose possible. Cluster munitions would effectively leave mines in their path of advance.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 13, 2023 11:29 AM (eYoxG)

125 And yet the compromised auto websites will tell you that EVs are the greatest things since sliced bread.
Posted by: mr tmz at October 13, 2023 11:26 AM (rJ48h)

Worked for a global computer monitor manufacturer way back in the day. Each new model, PC Magazine would do reviews of the new releases from the major brands. We would always get mediocre reviews and low marks right up to the point where we started advertising in their rag. Then the reviews got MUCH better.

Amazing how that worked.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)

126 "I told you the e-trucks were never going to sell. Let's pitch 15-minute cities and golf carts."

Posted by: Authoritarian everywhere at October 13, 2023 11:29 AM (nNPyb)

127 35 I have a question. Are there multiple degrees of retardation? Because the idea of electric trucks seems way more retarded than the normal, garden-variety retarded ideas.

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2023 11:10 AM (RG6z4)
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Have you seen our electric-helicopter recharging station?
USAF has entered the chat ...

Posted by: Ciampino - can fly from charger to end of runway on one charge at October 13, 2023 11:29 AM (qfLjt)

128 122 Still don’t understand why they skipped over Hybrids and went straight to being all in on EVs.

Or am I incorrect and there is a hybrid F-150 ?
Posted by: Drive By

I have never heard of one.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (Y2tls)

========

Doesn't mean they don't exist:

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/features/hybrid/

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:29 AM (LvTSG)

129 No carpet. Just wipe the dirt & mud out.
Posted by: rickb223

We talking pickups here or a long ago GF?
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (J47y1)

This place.

Posted by: Mr. Blandings' Housekeeper at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (4I/2K)

130 As for “downtime at the plant” affecting sales of the F150 Lighting EV, an ideal supply of vehicles on dealer lots is 60 days’ worth, Ford dealers are currently choking on a 97-day supply of Lightnings nationwide with 3,632 for sale. “Downtime” is not retarding sales.
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And yet regular cars still go for MSRP or better, with many makes facing constrained supply. It has become an advertising point for dealers that they won't charge you over MSRP. No *deals* are to be had, just a promise that they won't bend you over too far.

While EVs rot in inventory. There is a lesson in there, and they manufacturers are learning the wrong one, for now. Right now, they're learning that they can charge whatever they want for normal cars.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (t0OGg)

131
We talking pickups here or a long ago GF?
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (J47y1)

Met a guy while camping at Texas Motor Speedway several years ago who had named his pickup truck "Drive through mud, F*ck through blood."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)

132 Toyota for the win. They're going to ammonia fuel cells.
Their CEO has his head on straight.
I wish I could buy VWs diesel engine tooling. Would make a killing selling it back to them in 5 years.

Posted by: Iblis at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (Bz+vV)

133 126 "I told you the e-trucks were never going to sell. Let's pitch 15-minute cities and golf carts."
Posted by: Authoritarian everywhere at October 13, 2023 11:29 AM (nNPyb)

*The Villages has entered the chat*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (xcxpd)

134 >>It does have carpet and electric windows, though.

Posted by: Weasel

O we used to dream of having carpet in our truck-
would've been a palace to us

the best we could manage was some discarded blankets from a TB ward we scrounged from a rubbish tip

Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (geLO8)

135 They can't stall! They're electric!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg

They can have pole slippage,

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (JTwsP)

136 133 126 "I told you the e-trucks were never going to sell. Let's pitch 15-minute cities and golf carts."
Posted by: Authoritarian everywhere at October 13, 2023 11:29 AM (nNPyb)

*The Villages has entered the chat*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (xcxpd)

======

The sequel to The Village?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

137 I think all these battery and car companies bought the hype, alright, because the government (that would be us taxpayers) paid them to.

I bet the execs will come out richer than ever when the plants close down after a respectable pause.

Posted by: PJ at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (G1dq6)

138
I've never met a Tesla owner that was disappointed in his purchase.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)

I've never met an Apple owner that was disappointed in his purchase.

Except me, of course. ITunes is the unholy smegma under the foreskin of Satan's forked schlong.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (n+4am)

139 …layoffs were needed because SK Battery is “aligning production with current market demands.”
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I wonder much money the Georgia taxpayers hurled at SK Battery to get them to build the plant there.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (t0OGg)

140 Doesn't mean they don't exist:

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/features/hybrid/
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Now that sounds pretty neat.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (Y2tls)

141 No mystery to declining sales, is there??

Posted by: tubal at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (PCK5/)

142 the best we could manage was some discarded blankets from a TB ward we scrounged from a rubbish tip
Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (geLO

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I covered the carpet with WeatherTech floor liners. Does that help?

Posted by: Weasel at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (JwHpX)

143
When my solar energized electric battery loses electrons because it is too hot or cold, I don't care much.

But has anyone ever calculated the loss of electrons in electric vehicles parked where it is too hot or too cold? To me, that's a huge issue. You just used coal, or nuclear, or wind, or solar, or hydroelectric power to force electrons into your battery and a bunch of them snuck away during the night.

Seems to me if some 14 year old can extrapolate from six feet of beach the number of straws in the ocean that someone can likewise look at this waste of energy and say, "Wait a minute, hmmm".

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (enJYY)

144 According to the lawsuit, SK Battery America was caught "illegally dumping charged pouch cell LIBs" (lithium-ion batteries) six other times during previous deliveries of recycling materials.
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I'm sure it was an accident. A mere clerical error. Several times.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (t0OGg)

145
Except me, of course. ITunes is the unholy smegma under the foreskin of Satan's forked schlong.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (n+4am)j

This. Won an iPod Nano once. Put one song on it. Uninstalled everything from my PC and sold that POS immediately.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (Zz0t1)

146 At some point, it will start to dawn on folks how dumb the "green energy" scam is. I hope it doesn't happen too late

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (cLWyk)

147 Blizzard had a huge turnover after Warcraft 3, then bought by Activision, and now Microsoft.

The founder (I have heard) wanted to be hired by Games Workshop, and hoped to prove his worth by competing with them. After WoW hit its peak, he might have stooped to buy them.

A huge number of things in Warhammer reminds me of Starcraft, but that would be getting it backward who riped off whom.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (44ww/)

148 Greetings! It occurs to me that we are living in a re enactment of the 1970s, only with worse music.

And no cute hippie chicks. Oh, and I'm old and everything hurts. Otherwise, spot on.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (nfrXX)

149 The sequel to The Village?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

Village of the Damned.

Posted by: BignJames at October 13, 2023 11:32 AM (AwYPR)

150 132 Friend of mine in PA is still driving a diesel VW Rabbit. Miracle the rust monster didn't get it. Damn things would get over 50mpg.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (0EOe9)

151 Construction on these plants is underway, with some hiring scheduled to start in 2024, and production to commence in 2025. Ford is planning to build 500,000 electric truck per year there.

With EV production already exceeding demand, and with Ford shutting down other EV battery plants, and with SK laying people off at its existing battery plants, there doesn’t appear to be any production needed at these vast new plants.
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This is called "malinvestment" and it's a bitch and a half.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (t0OGg)

152 It used to be pretty easy to buy a small no frills pickup, Datsun/Nissan and Toyota. They came no frills and most options were dealer installed.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:27 AM (0EOe9)

You cannot get a "mini-sized" pickup anymore. The Datsuns, Toyotas, Mazdas, and Chevy LUV's are all gone. Damned hard to find a used one, too. They all got used up, driven until they failed to cast a shadow. Damned shame; they were great vehicles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (iQkDx)

153

Now that sounds pretty neat.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (Y2tls)

Would actually be feasible. Too bad they didn't market THAT thing the way they did the POS Lightning electric botched abortion.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)

154 If only there was some professional position that studied market trends and consumer demand and then put forth yearly demand estimates such that manufacturers could structure their build numbers based on that.

We could call them 'Market analysts'.

Nah!
-- FoMoCo

It's not about selling people what they want, it's about forcing them to buy what WE want them to! We're trying to help them make the right choices, because they refuse to act in their best interests!!!!

Posted by: SJW Commissar at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (JCZqz)

155 No carpet. Just wipe the dirt & mud out.
Posted by: rickb223

We talking pickups here or a long ago GF?
Posted by: Tonypete

This place.
Posted by: Mr. Blandings' Housekeeper

😂😂😂

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (Y2tls)

156 Just a thought here, but has Ford given any thought to th electro-yoyo mechanism? It's one of my notions. See, you put a 6 foot diameter reel of welding cable size cord in the back of the truck. Plug it in your house before you depart, and when you reach your destination (say, the valu-rite store) the built up inertia in the reel will snatch you back to your house rickytick. It will require good brakes and seatbelts. Of course.

Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (KiuiP)

157 Those animals!

Israel destroyed Planned Parenthood’s only location in Gaza and they uploaded a video with sad music to let you know how sad it is

https://tinyurl.com/3uwy2tzu

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:34 AM (FVME7)

158 Drive my ICE vehicle until it is dead beyond revival is my plan… it is a Gem…

Posted by: tubal at October 13, 2023 11:34 AM (PCK5/)

159 And yet the compromised auto websites will tell you that EVs are the greatest things since sliced bread.
Posted by: mr tmz at October 13, 2023 11:26 AM (rJ48h)

Watched a video about whiskey the other day and the guy cautioned against getting all your info from whiskey blogs because they're compromised. As he put it "without criticism it's just marketing".

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:34 AM (1Z8zZ)

160 Except none of that is true.

Sales are well past the cult phase.

Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2023 11:17 AM (dWjpk)

It may be an exaggeration to say they're crap, but there are still fit and finish issues across Tesla's lineup. The interiors that I've spent time in (X and 3) fall short of an XLE trimmed Camry. They're more like a VW Jetta or Passat.

So I do think people get enamored with the tech and don't look as critically at what they're purchasing in terms of quality for the money.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at October 13, 2023 11:34 AM (kvhWe)

161 My 2007 Ford Ranger has been paid off since the day I bought it.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:15 AM (Y2tls)
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Those clips of an overloaded Ranger with "I'm a Ford f'ing Ranger!" are hilarious

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 11:35 AM (TzW+Y)

162 Jew tanks trying to censor CNN!

https://tinyurl.com/ycxt33ps

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:35 AM (FVME7)

163 We have the absolute worst class of "elites" in the history of the West.

I honestly cannot believe how stupid they are.

I understand the ones that are pushing this because they want to "decrease the surplus population" (read: kill billions). I get that.

What I don't get are the gullible fools running these companies who actually thought that electric vehicles were feasible in anything but boutique numbers.

I can read the data. I can see the limitations. I can look at the myriad of issues that would have to be magically solved for EVs to replace IC cars. I'm a bright guy, but I'm not Steven Hawking. I guess I fall for the problem of assuming people in prominent executive positions are at least as smart as me. It's becoming increasingly clear that not only are our "elites" evil, they are blindingly stupid.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 13, 2023 11:35 AM (JMAcK)

164 135 They can't stall! They're electric!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg

They can have pole slippage,

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (JTwsP)
----
Wait a minute there, what's this about pole-dancing on the job?

Posted by: Ciampino - no vaseline for piles will solve the slippery pole problem at October 13, 2023 11:35 AM (qfLjt)

165
You cannot get a "mini-sized" pickup anymore. The Datsuns, Toyotas, Mazdas, and Chevy LUV's are all gone. Damned hard to find a used one, too. They all got used up, driven until they failed to cast a shadow. Damned shame; they were great vehicles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (iQkDx)

It's kinda funny. The little trucks, I guess 1/4 ton, were everywhere. Then they cut them off. Then they came back, but look like the old 1/2 ton trucks. The new 1/2 ton trucks were huge, 3/4 ton looking things.

The Ford Ranger (new) and the Chevy Colorado are the replacements for the older, smaller pickups. The Ford Maverick is the only thing that's close, but it's still bigger.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:35 AM (Zz0t1)

166 They can have pole slippage,
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 13, 2023 11:30 AM (JTwsP)
++++
They're not the only ones. When it happens, it's really bad. Not only do I get bruised up, my tips fall dramatically!

Posted by: Brandi from Club Sapphire at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM (t0OGg)

167 152 Somebody pulled into the apartment parking lot in some sort of new Toyota pickup, I guess the Godzilla Mk 1. Damn thing was huge. My little 1973 Hi Lux (sadly missed) would probably fit in the bed.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM (0EOe9)

168 >>

Posted by: Weasel

I'm sure it's quite spiffy

Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM (geLO8)

169 "The huge unquechable fire: bug or feature?"

My 2nd favorite U2 album, as it happens.

Posted by: Boxx Culvert, MEEP MEEP! Arra body git on board da covid bus! at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM (wSSS2)

170 It used to be pretty easy to buy a small no frills pickup, Datsun/Nissan and Toyota. They came no frills and most options were dealer installed.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:27 AM (0EOe9)
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There are no more "cheap and cheerful" bare-bones trucks.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM (t0OGg)

171 The reason why you can’t get a small truck any more is because the footprint would require it to get 45-50 mpg under Obama’s idiotic CAFE standard. He made every car bigger.

Remember when that jackass would say cars would get 54 mpg by now? How many cars you see getting that?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 13, 2023 11:37 AM (JTwsP)

172 "Would throwing a 3/4 inch sheet of plywood in the bed not prevent most of the damage?"

Might, but then you'd almost double the price of the truck.

Posted by: Boxx Culvert, MEEP MEEP! Arra body git on board da covid bus! at October 13, 2023 11:37 AM (wSSS2)

173 Jew tanks trying to censor CNN!

https://tinyurl.com/ycxt33ps
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:35 AM (FVME7)

I saw Sandy Vagina open for Pussy Riot at the Stripped Gaza in 2023.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:37 AM (Zz0t1)

174 Wall Street Silver
@WallStreetSilv
Sweden now has 61 "no-go zones" where the police basically have given up and allow what they call "parallel societies".

Sweden has recently elected a new government that is promising to deport more and cutoff the fake refugee issue. We will see if they can turn it around. It might be too late.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 13, 2023 11:04 AM (TGPs7)

"No go zones" = conquered territory

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 13, 2023 11:37 AM (JMAcK)

175 Just a thought here, but has Ford given any thought to th electro-yoyo mechanism? It's one of my notions. See, you put a 6 foot diameter reel of welding cable size cord in the back of the truck. Plug it in your house before you depart, and when you reach your destination (say, the valu-rite store) the built up inertia in the reel will snatch you back to your house rickytick. It will require good brakes and seatbelts. Of course.
Posted by: Eromero

😂😂😂😂

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:37 AM (Y2tls)

176 The sequel to The Village?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

I am not a number!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:38 AM (xcxpd)

177 For a min-sized pickup, Hyundai makes the Santa Cruz.
The Ford Maverick is a medium sized pickup.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at October 13, 2023 11:38 AM (MeG8a)

178 176 The sequel to The Village?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

I am not a number!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:38 AM (xcxpd)

======

Just don't say it while wearing the bad color.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

179 I guess I fall for the problem of assuming people in prominent executive positions are at least as smart as me. It's becoming increasingly clear that not only are our "elites" evil, they are blindingly stupid.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 13, 2023 11:35 AM (JMAcK)

I think they are incentivized.

Posted by: Emmie at October 13, 2023 11:39 AM (Sf2cq)

180 They can have pole slippage,
___

Bob Dole has a recommendation for when you experience pole slippage.

Posted by: Zombie Bob Dole at October 13, 2023 11:39 AM (fs1hN)

181 What I would really like to have is a Japanese or Korean type "micro truck." They are small - about the size of a sedan - and have a small bed. The sides and tailgate of the bed are hinged, so it can become a flatbed very easily. Some of them also have hydraulic dump mechanisms. They have a decently high load rating.

They're tiny (as mentioned), slow, have damn few features but are dirt cheap. They're an ideal runabout truck. Most can only get up to about 60 MPH, but they're also not really designed for highway use. They're for in-town runs or work on the farm, and they're damn good at it.

A micro truck is actually ideal for me and what I need to do, but they're illegal in the American market. They'd also be ideal for any number of small tradesmen. There is nothing but big trucks with lots of features now unless you're buying a fleet.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:39 AM (t0OGg)

182 It used to be pretty easy to buy a small no frills pickup, Datsun/Nissan and Toyota. They came no frills and most options were dealer installed.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:27 AM (0EOe9)
++++
There are no more "cheap and cheerful" bare-bones trucks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Yeah. My 2012 bare bones F150 was $24k which was outlandish then. My wife's 2021 F150 was $47k with family dealership pricing.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:40 AM (Y2tls)

183 >The aluminum truck was built for the yuppy f*cks that bought their truck as a show piece, not work. Those using it for work got screwed because the option for a steel truck wasn't there, unless you went Super Duty.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)

Didn't Ford market this as 'military grade' or some such nonsense?

Posted by: Heavy Meta at October 13, 2023 11:40 AM (GTqXr)

184 178 176 The sequel to The Village?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

I am not a number!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:38 AM (xcxpd)

======

Just don't say it while wearing the bad color.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

That would be Unmutual

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 11:40 AM (xcxpd)

185 Bought my ‘04 Camry, cash, new, with all the bells and whistles available… biggest V6… 20 years later and it is still fine. Not an ounce of trouble with it… most equipment is still original… even has original brakes!! It may be the UnDead… have had many offers from people to buy it…

Posted by: tubal at October 13, 2023 11:40 AM (PCK5/)

186 They're not the only ones. When it happens, it's really bad. Not only do I get bruised up, my tips fall dramatically!
Posted by: Brandi from Club Sapphire at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM (t0OGg)

That's because Tiffany, the dancer before you, hates your guts. She put silicone on the pole when she wiped it down after her set.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:41 AM (iQkDx)

187 "No go zones" = conquered territory
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 13, 2023 11:37 AM (JMAcK)
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Yup.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:41 AM (t0OGg)

188 Didn't Ford market this as 'military grade' or some such nonsense?
Posted by: Heavy Meta

Military grade = lowest bidder

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:41 AM (Y2tls)

189 What I don't get are the gullible fools running these companies who actually thought that electric vehicles were feasible in anything but boutique numbers.
____

Nice company you have. Shame if something should happen to it.

Posted by: The Regulators at October 13, 2023 11:41 AM (fs1hN)

190 Alternate Headline: EVs remain niche product.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2023 11:41 AM (aD39U)

191 The EV market and the Impossible Meat market both got pushed enormously by venture capital money, 0% interest rates, and political-corporate relationships.

It was never about the consumer. And now that the above has dried up, most of the ventures will dry up and wither away (which is happening in the plant-based meat realm already)...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 13, 2023 11:42 AM (exHjb)

192
Didn't Ford market this as 'military grade' or some such nonsense?
Posted by: Heavy Meta at October 13, 2023 11:40 AM (GTqXr)

They did and it is military grade aluminum. The military just doesn't use it for outer structures for their combat vehicles at beer can widths.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:42 AM (Zz0t1)

193 Looks like Ford is headed into the shitter even faster than we thought it would would. It's not just that the EV models are crashing, but they've wasted years - maybe a decades worth - of R & D on a dead end that will never pay off. This is an order of magnitude worse than the Edsel fiasco.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 13, 2023 11:42 AM (i9ffA)

194 The Biden Administration had Ford, GM and whatever they call Chrysler now going full speed ahead with EVs to the exclusion of ICE vehicles.

We won't get even close to 2035 before the Potemkin Auto Plan takes down the US auto industry leaving whats left to companies like Toyota who have diversified their mix of autos.

Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2023 11:42 AM (RHGPo)

195 That's because Tiffany, the dancer before you, hates your guts. She put silicone on the pole when she wiped it down after her set.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:41 AM (iQkDx)
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That bitch! I wonder how she'll like it when I tear all of her hair out!

Posted by: Brandi from Club Sapphire at October 13, 2023 11:42 AM (t0OGg)

196 Every minimum wage yokel was financing $80,000 F350 superdutys for 8 years. The market for small trucks dried up.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:42 AM (8ay+b)

197
51 They'll just destroy the market for gas cars. If you won't respond to government's inadequate carrot, you'll get the stick.
Posted by: It's for Da Earf. at October 13, 2023 11:13 AM (KFhLj)

//////

The EPA will find a way to start closing gas stations. Hand in glove with the Left's war on fossil fuels.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 13, 2023 11:42 AM (nNPyb)

198 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:39 AM

Go check out minitruckimports: https://is.gd/JgkUGX

Posted by: Bert G at October 13, 2023 11:43 AM (VARTN)

199 Not only are the peasants not supposed to transition to EV's - they're supposed to transition to no personally owned vehicles - the goal here is also bankrupting and mothballing as many ICE automakers and their suppliers as possible.

Posted by: somedood at October 13, 2023 11:43 AM (BW9UA)

200 It was never about the consumer. And now that the above has dried up, most of the ventures will dry up and wither away (which is happening in the plant-based meat realm already)...
Posted by: Nova Local

I saw a potato in it's "Plant Based" packaging.
Don't know if they were serious or taking a shot at the plant based market.

😂

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:43 AM (Y2tls)

201 The EV market and the Impossible Meat market

***********

I always give Impossible and Beyond Meat the finger every time I pass by that section.

What's hilarious is that I've seen some stores mix these in with the normal meats in the hopes people might pick these up by accident just to get rid of them.

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (VTu1l)

202 You cannot get a "mini-sized" pickup anymore. The Datsuns, Toyotas, Mazdas, and Chevy LUV's are all gone. Damned hard to find a used one, too. They all got used up, driven until they failed to cast a shadow. Damned shame; they were great vehicles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:33 AM (iQkDx)

Yeah, I had a couple of those over the years, first a Mitsubishi and then a Nissan when they were still small. They were great, cheap, and easy to operate, and filled a market niche that's being ignored now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (i9ffA)

203
The Ford Maverick is a medium sized pickup.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at October 13, 2023 11:38 AM

With only a four and a half foot long bed. My El Camino never would cramp my style to that level.

You know any four and a half foot tall women? Give 'em my number.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (enJYY)

204 170 It used to be pretty easy to buy a small no frills pickup, Datsun/Nissan and Toyota. They came no frills and most options were dealer installed.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:27 AM (0EOe9)
++++
There are no more "cheap and cheerful" bare-bones trucks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM (t0OGg)
______________

There are basically two reasons for this. One, nobody wants them any more. The market has moved to much larger, more luxurious trucks and SUVs.

Two, it became economically impossible to sell small bare-bones trucks due to regulation. So much safety and other equipment is mandated. That costs money, adds weight and complexity, etc. Plus, the idiotic CAFE regulations favor larger-footprint vehicles as a way to minimize the effects of delusional mpg targets.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (iFTx/)

205 181 It may depend on the state as to micro truck legality. There's a few on the street in this area properly tagged. I had a snub nosed Dodge pickup (like a chopped down van) that was kinda fun to drive.I imagine those little micro trucks are a hoot.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (0EOe9)

206 The Ford Maverick is a medium sized pickup.

The Ford Maverick is an SUV that's missing half of its roof.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (nfrXX)

207 Oh, we wrote new rules on underground storage tanks. They all need to be replaced in 2 years or close your gas station. And pay for soil remediation.

-Your EPA.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (8ay+b)

208 Go check out minitruckimports: https://is.gd/JgkUGX
Posted by: Bert G at October 13, 2023 11:43 AM (VARTN)
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You can get them, but only old ones can be licensed for road use and the one-off import fees make them bad value.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (t0OGg)

209 There are no more "cheap and cheerful" bare-bones trucks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

I have a 2013 Nissan Frontier, 4x4. It is a six speed manual, and has no electric locks or alarms, manual window cranks, and no cruise control. I am pretty sure they don't even make them like that anymore. The dealership gave us a really good deal because nobody else wanted. Paid off 5 years ago.

the only thing I need for it is better off-road tires. Love that thing.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Psalm 83 at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (xPJvm)

210 Totally off topic from Buck's excellent rant:

The host on the conservative station for NY- WOR 710 , Mark Simone,just talked about somebody in trouble for sending women dick pics. He said "No women want to see pictures of your dick. If you want to send a picture of yourself that a woman will like send a picture with a dog or in the shoe dept at Bergdoorf Goodman.

I laughed. It's true.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (iR5Rd)

211 Shadi Hamid
@shadihamid
College students should be allowed 1-2 bad or ridiculous opinions without having their lives or careers ruined. Enough.

-
Death to Jews! Simple mistake.

Wrong pronoun: Cancel the bastard!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (FVME7)

212 I saw a potato in it's "Plant Based" packaging.
Don't know if they were serious or taking a shot at the plant based market.

😂
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:43 AM (Y2tls)

Here in Canada, Becel is peddling margarine with the moniker of "plant butter".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (iQkDx)

213 There are basically two reasons for this. One, nobody wants them any more. The market has moved to much larger, more luxurious trucks and SUVs.

Two, it became economically impossible to sell small bare-bones trucks due to regulation. So much safety and other equipment is mandated. That costs money, adds weight and complexity, etc. Plus, the idiotic CAFE regulations favor larger-footprint vehicles as a way to minimize the effects of delusional mpg targets.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
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Yup. The truck replaced the family car in a lot of places and moved the market. CAFE took care of the rest.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (t0OGg)

214 I always give Impossible and Beyond Meat the finger every time I pass by that section.

What's hilarious is that I've seen some stores mix these in with the normal meats in the hopes people might pick these up by accident just to get rid of them.
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger

That wasn't the store. That was me.

I'm an asshole like that.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (Y2tls)

215 There are basically two reasons for this. One, nobody wants them any more. The market has moved to much larger, more luxurious trucks and SUVs.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Bull fucking shit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 13, 2023 11:46 AM (IG4Id)

216 @shadihamid
College students should be allowed 1-2 bad or ridiculous opinions without having their lives or careers ruined. Enough.

-
Death to Jews! Simple mistake.

Wrong pronoun: Cancel the bastard!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (FVME7)
++++
You get it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:46 AM (t0OGg)

217 211 Shadi Hamid
@shadihamid
College students should be allowed 1-2 bad or ridiculous opinions without having their lives or careers ruined. Enough.

-
Death to Jews! Simple mistake.

Wrong pronoun: Cancel the bastard!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:45 AM (FVME7)

========

Death to Jews! One ridiculous opinion.

The government should be small. A thousand bad opinions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

218 "The aluminum truck was built for the yuppy f*cks that bought their truck as a show piece, not work. Those using it for work got screwed because the option for a steel truck wasn't there, unless you went Super Duty.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)"

Aluminum can work perfectly fine for a hard use vehicle; look at the original Land Rovers as well as a half century's worth of military trucks. There is something to be said for a full size half ton that only weighs 150-200 lbs more than a mid-2000's midsize truck, if you ignore the increased difficulty in properly tuning the suspension. The tradeoff is that it's more expensive to repair if you want it to look pretty, which should not be a work truck consideration.

I'd prefer a steel bed interior, though. Current truck is all steel body w/ a pretty stout factory bedliner.

Posted by: somedood at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (BW9UA)

219 This bikini blonde likes a man with a big ... truck:
https://is.gd/xoHA7f

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (t0OGg)

220 The Villages:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=oUN2BqXG1DA

Posted by: Emmie at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (Sf2cq)

221 EV's would be selling better if Trump hadn't called global warming a hoax. He can probably charged with wrecking for that.

Posted by: Ripley at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (JojsZ)

222 The Ford Maverick is a medium sized pickup.

*************

First of all, never get a Ford

Second of all, never get a Ford

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (VTu1l)

223 Declaring a climate emergency and banning all ICE vehicles will solve this dilemma.

Posted by: Joey "Two fingers" Biden at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (8I4hW)

224 Is everyone sitting down? You might want to sit before reading further:

Israel accused of using cluster bombs in Gaza. The Israeli military is facing accusations of deploying internationally prohibited cluster bombs in its ongoing attacks on Gaza. This revelation not only casts a spotlight on the tactics employed by the Israeli forces but also raises serious concerns about potential violations of international humanitarian law.

The use of cluster bombs is deemed illegal under the Convention on Cluster Munitions. This international treaty explicitly prohibits all use, production, transfer, and stockpiling of cluster munitions. However, Israel remains one of the countries that has not signed this treaty. Their alleged use of these weapons, therefore, skirts international law and raises questions about accountability and adherence to humanitarian principles.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 13, 2023 11:21 AM (JCZqz)

Israel to world...."FOAD".

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (h4nev)

225 How about keeping your bad opinions to yourself, and not spreading it all over social media.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (8ay+b)

226 First of all, never get a Ford

Second of all, never get a Ford
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (VTu1l)
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You can pry my Lincoln Town Car out of my cold, dead hands.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)

227 That wasn't the store. That was me. I'm an asshole like that.

**************

Morons never fail to be crowd pleasers

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 11:48 AM (VTu1l)

228 24 Any more ships with EVs aboard catch fire?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 13, 2023 11:07 AM (ssQ2y)

/////

How about the Luton Airport (UK) parking structure destroyed by a car fire -- not sure it was an EV, but signs are there. .

https://tinyurl.com/5eudwb9r

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 13, 2023 11:48 AM (nNPyb)

229 Tesla wins because they're fun. They are fast as hell. I have an M5 in the garage and the Tesla is vastly quicker at any usable speed range.

The Chevy Bolt is actually a very nice car but it doesn't have zing in the way Tesla does. If you were buying an Eevee purely on utility you'd probably buy a Bolt or one of the Hyundais.

Posted by: JEM at October 13, 2023 11:48 AM (8erNz)

230 >This bikini blonde likes a man with a

she's kinda skinny
somebody give this girl a sandwich

Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:48 AM (geLO8)

231 219 This bikini blonde likes a man with a big ... truck:
https://is.gd/xoHA7f
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (t0OGg)
_________

Nah, she likes a man with an expensive sportscar, preferably a convertible so she can be more easily seen and show off.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

232 Jew tanks trying to censor CNN!

https://tinyurl.com/ycxt33ps
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:35 AM (FVME7)
***

Should of hosed her with the coax.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (uSHSS)

233 AmericaMind:
General Coup
Let’s be honest about Mark Milley’s legacy.

To read the voluminous coverage of General Mark Milley’s retirement as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, one might mistakenly surmise that he is the greatest military patriot since George Washington. But the opposite is far closer to the truth.

Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (RHGPo)

234 "207 Oh, we wrote new rules on underground storage tanks. They all need to be replaced in 2 years or close your gas station. And pay for soil remediation.

-Your EPA.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:44 AM (8ay+b)"

It's coming. Although some states are getting a jump on closing gas stations by banning new ICE vehicle registrations in the near future.

Flyover country will turn their pickups into technicals before giving them up. Which is the plan; the progs think they can win that fight because they're too thoroughly infested with cargo cult thinking.

Posted by: somedood at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (BW9UA)

235 219 This bikini blonde likes a man with a big ... truck:
https://is.gd/xoHA7f
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (t0OGg)

========

Belly-button ring hole without ring, showing that she's wishywashy and cannot commit to anything, which is why she's currently reading Dmitrii Milev and loving it after having previously read Ayn Rand and love that.

2/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

236 Go check out minitruckimports: https://is.gd/JgkUGX
Posted by: Bert G

It's a work truck and a golf cart!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (FVME7)

237 Yup. The truck replaced the family car in a lot of places and moved the market. CAFE took care of the rest.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

The four door pickup's time has come. You can take the kids to soccer and throw their muddy shit in the back.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (Y2tls)

238 EVs are similar to wind farms. What is advertised far exceeds the reality.

Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (MNhXM)

239 >Israel accused of using cluster bombs in Gaza. The Israeli military is facing accusations of deploying internationally prohibited cluster bombs in its ongoing attacks on Gaza. This revelation not only casts a spotlight on the tactics employed by the Israeli forces but also raises serious concerns about potential violations of international humanitarian law.

----

Like the ones we just sent to Ukraine? Or are these special Jewish cluster bombs...?

Posted by: Heavy Meta at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (GTqXr)

240 Declaring a climate emergency and banning all ICE vehicles will solve this dilemma.
Posted by: Joey "Two fingers" Biden

Don't forget to ban the guns, too!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 11:50 AM (8ay+b)

241 Wasn't DU excusing away the giving of cluster bombs to Ukraine like...2 months ago?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:50 AM (LvTSG)

242 I dread when I have to get a new car, its like the alphabet/intersectionalist feminist crowd got a hold of modern car design as well.

The button shifters are the worst offenders. I have to fucking look DOWN to see what fucking button is what instead of grabbing my boomstick and know exactly which way to shift which is what Ive done since the beginning of creation.

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 11:50 AM (VTu1l)

243 Good post, Buck. Thanks.

Over decades, we've (as taxpayers) been taken by foreign "green" corporations in cahoots with our government & our "green" corporations.

For example, can no longer afford to vacation at the 'Jersey Shore' but I also don't want to see wind turbines off of the N.J. coast. To that end, Aug 31, 2023; OCEAN CITY, N.J. (AP) — Orsted, the global wind energy developer, says its first offshore wind farm in New Jersey will be delayed until 2026 due to supply chain issues, higher interest rates, and a failure so far to garner enough tax credits from the federal government.

And, Biden-⁠Harris Administration Announces Regional Clean Hydrogen Hubs to Drive Clean Manufacturing and Jobs, today

Yeah, right.

Posted by: L - The idle mind is the devil's workshop at October 13, 2023 11:50 AM (GshMh)

244 EV's would be selling better if Trump hadn't called global warming a hoax. He can probably charged with wrecking for that.
Posted by: Ripley at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (JojsZ)

He's right, though.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:50 AM (iQkDx)

245 Greetings! It occurs to me that we are living in a re enactment of the 1970s, only with worse music.
War in the mid east, inflation, strikes, arabs threatening to shut off energy supplies, monetary policy out of control, a weak US administration, and other similarities.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

And they brought back Chesterfield cigarettes and Lucky Strikes. Add in the broke food and yep! It's the seventies again.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 13, 2023 11:50 AM (Wy1BU)

246 >You can pry my Lincoln Town Car out of my cold, dead hands.

Posted by: Joe Mannix

My dream car would be a Crown Vic Police Interceptor

cop shocks, cop tires, cop motor...
and SCMODS

Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:51 AM (geLO8)

247 The use of cluster bombs is deemed illegal under the Convention on Cluster Munitions. This international treaty explicitly prohibits all use, production, transfer, and stockpiling of cluster munitions. However, Israel remains one of the countries that has not signed this treaty. Their alleged use of these weapons, therefore, skirts international law and raises questions about accountability and adherence to humanitarian principles.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 13, 2023 11:21 AM (JCZqz)
++++
If Israel did not ratify the treaty, then the munitions are not proscribed in Israel. There is no "skirting of law" if it is using them if they chose not to sign on to the rule. It's just legal.

As it would be legal if the United States used them. Or South Korea. Or a dozen or so others. They never signed the damn thing, either.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:51 AM (t0OGg)

248 potential violations of international humanitarian law.

***************

Military weapons: VIOLATIONS

Rapes and decapitations: it's all good

Fuck off

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 11:51 AM (VTu1l)

249 This bikini blonde likes a man with a big ... truck:
https://is.gd/xoHA7f
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM

*looks at Accord*

Well, crap.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 11:51 AM (9CQ0+)

250 How about keeping your bad opinions to yourself, and not spreading it all over social media.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

What do you mean?
https://youtu.be/1ntwS9EbaQ8?si=_ia_jVe-0q-v7Bla&t=53

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:51 AM (J47y1)

251 We saw an electric Mustang while in Waco. We didn't know what it was so we followed it to get a better look. We were so disappointed that it had the Mustang label. It is butt ugly. Whi would buy such a butt ugly car?

Posted by: Megthered at October 13, 2023 11:52 AM (fNosa)

252 Belly-button ring hole without ring, showing that she's wishywashy and cannot commit to anything, which is why she's currently reading Dmitrii Milev and loving it after having previously read Ayn Rand and love that.

2/10

Would not bang.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (LvTSG)

She has a tattoo on her right hand/forearm. She can commit, she just chooses foolishly.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:52 AM (1Z8zZ)

253 >And they brought back Chesterfield cigarettes and Lucky Strikes. Add in the broke food and yep! It's the seventies again.

Posted by: Madamemayhem

hey I smoke Luckies
Marlboros are over $100 a carton here

Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:52 AM (geLO8)

254 Ford can afford to be reckless n the EV projects because they know failure is backstopped by the government.

Posted by: Hammer Dog at October 13, 2023 11:52 AM (9M063)

255 Cox News, yesterday:

Another Quarter, Another Record: EV Sales in the U.S. Surpass 300,000 in Q3, as Tesla Share of EV Segment Tumbles to 50%

Total EV sales in Q3, according to an estimate from Kelley Blue Book, hit 313,086, a 49.8% increase from the same period one year ago and an increase from the 298,039 sold in Q2. Most automakers posted sizeable gains over 2022, with Volvo, Nissan, Mercedes and Hyundai delivering increases above 200%, thanks mostly to new products entering the market.

____

Are we living in two parallel universes?

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 11:52 AM (bWsRe)

256 144 According to the lawsuit, SK Battery America was caught "illegally dumping charged pouch cell LIBs" (lithium-ion batteries) six other times during previous deliveries of recycling materials.
++++
I'm sure it was an accident. A mere clerical error. Several times.
----
Two Godfathers coming back from a funeral of a third:
"Shame Vinny fell on his knife."
"Yes, and six times too!"

Posted by: Ciampino - no vaseline for piles will solve the slippery pole problem! at October 13, 2023 11:53 AM (qfLjt)

257 253 >And they brought back Chesterfield cigarettes and Lucky Strikes. Add in the broke food and yep! It's the seventies again.

Posted by: Madamemayhem

hey I smoke Luckies
Marlboros are over $100 a carton here
Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:52 AM (geLO

Illinois, huh??? My sympathies…

Posted by: tubal at October 13, 2023 11:53 AM (PCK5/)

258 hey I smoke Luckies
Marlboros are over $100 a carton here
Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:52 AM (geLO

++++
More than 10 bucks a pack? Where do you live, if I may ask? That's nuts.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:53 AM (t0OGg)

259 Like the ones we just sent to Ukraine? Or are these special Jewish cluster bombs...?
Posted by: Heavy Meta at October 13, 2023 11:49 AM (GTqXr)

If you step on one it starts raining and ruins your picnic. Insidious.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:53 AM (1Z8zZ)

260
These people are stupid as fuck.

Even if EVs were a quality/useful product (Spoiler: They aren't),

to effect a culture wide changeover you need a roaring economy like this and plenty of people with plenty of money available to spend beyond the usual costs of life.

But, what's the first thing these Democrat fuck-noodles did?

They destroyed the economy, they destroyed energy production, and they destroyed Middle and Working class wealth with runaway inflation.

There is no money for the massive infrastructure building that is required. There is no money for the increase in energy production(nuclear power plants) required by these useless vehicles. There are far, far fewer people with the expendable cash to by these useless vehicles thanks to the suck-ass economy.

It's sad but true. Every single one of Our Betters are complete idiots. This country needs an enema.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 13, 2023 11:53 AM (QzZeQ)

261 Heh. Golf cart EVs and the villages. The little Arizona town I should be living in right now (thanks, Biden, you asshole, place is 10 miles from the border) was awash with people driving around in golf carts, a lot proudly flying Trump flags. I was looking at one at the adult beverage store and talked to the owner. His canopy consisted of a solar cell, acting as a trickle charger for the batteries. He loved the thing for getting around tiny town, but he and wife had an F150 over at the trailer park.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 11:53 AM (0EOe9)

262 Gateway Pundit -

Swalwell 2.0: Green New Deal Architect AOC Appears to Pass Gas During Live Interview (VIDEO)

AOC needs to get herself a little Bang-Bang and threaten to nuke Oklahoma City for the triple crown.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (MDUCw)

263 EV's, an idea whose time has not come

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (RclUg)

264 Kumala: "I eat Ngo for breakfast"

Who's Mr. Ngo?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

265 Wasn't DU excusing away the giving of cluster bombs to Ukraine like...2 months ago?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 11:50 AM (LvTSG)

Russell Brand has, in the past, made mock of this shifting attitude concerning cluster bombs.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (1Z8zZ)

266 I see this as part of The Plan™.

It's about the public's ability to move about at will. The State cannot abide that.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (Q4IgG)

267 hey I smoke Luckies

Posted by: DB

LSMFT

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (XeU6L)

268 >More than 10 bucks a pack? Where do you live, if I may ask? That's nuts.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Colorado
eggs are up 20 cents this week

Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (geLO8)

269 263 EV's, an idea whose time has not come

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (RclUg)

lets use that tech for jet planes and rockets! There are recharging stations on the Moon, right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 11:55 AM (ynpvh)

270 Are we living in two parallel universes?
Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 11:52 AM (bWsRe)
++++
Tesla has half the market, which can be lower than it was before and still amount for record sales because the market is, slowly, growing but more importantly the number of players has ballooned dramatically. There are a *lot* of manufacturers fighting for the other 50% of the market, and the market is not big enough - nor is it growing fast enough - to support them.

There is probably room for two or three big EV manufacturers, with a couple of specialty manufacturers. Tesla is one of those big EV manufacturers. The others are sorting out who will be the other two and who will die off. Ford will probably die off.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

271 There are no more "cheap and cheerful" bare-bones trucks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM

Nonsense! Tata motors, pride of the 3rd world, has you covered! Look at this cute 'lil guy. And, I mean...what moron doesn't like tatas?
https://tinyurl.com/2zbarpew

Posted by: SJW Commissar at October 13, 2023 11:55 AM (Uws2Q)

272 Go get a Charger or a 300C . SRT preferably. Or a Chevy SS, the best American car Australia ever built.

Posted by: JEM at October 13, 2023 11:55 AM (8erNz)

273 Colorado
eggs are up 20 cents this week
Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (geLO

++++
CO went that hard on sin taxes? Oy. I'm glad I quit smoking.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)

274 My dream car would be a Crown Vic Police Interceptor

cop shocks, cop tires, cop motor...
and SCMODS
Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:51 AM (geLO

At least a dozen stale doughnuts under the seats.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:56 AM (1Z8zZ)

275 Whi would buy such a butt ugly car?
Posted by: Megthered

The Rabbit and Aztek have entered the chat.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:56 AM (J47y1)

276 > However, Israel remains one of the countries that has not signed this treaty.

The US also has not signed. Nor have China, Russia, India, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, or Syria.

So... the "international community" can pretty much go fuck itself.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 11:56 AM (Y6AXb)

277 Nonsense! Tata motors, pride of the 3rd world, has you covered! Look at this cute 'lil guy. And, I mean...what moron doesn't like tatas?
https://tinyurl.com/2zbarpew
Posted by: SJW Commissar at October 13, 2023 11:55 AM (Uws2Q)
++++
That looks like the Tata version of a Japanese or Korean micro-truck. It's actually exactly what I want. Can't get them here a way that is both economical and street-legal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:56 AM (t0OGg)

278 274 My dream car would be a Crown Vic Police Interceptor

cop shocks, cop tires, cop motor...
and SCMODS
Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 11:51 AM (geLO

At least a dozen stale doughnuts under the seats.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 11:56 AM (1Z8zZ)

maybe some condoms as well.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 11:57 AM (ynpvh)

279 LSMFT
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Loose Strap Means Flopping Tata's?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:57 AM (J47y1)

280 Loose Strap Means Flopping Tata's?
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:57 AM (J47y1)
++++
LOL

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:57 AM (t0OGg)

281 The Aztek was special.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:57 AM (NkASH)

282
LSMFT

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM

I remember that from my El Camino days - Let's Screw My Fingers Tired.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 13, 2023 11:58 AM (enJYY)

283 Nonsense! Tata motors, pride of the 3rd world, has you covered! Look at this cute 'lil guy. And, I mean...what moron doesn't like tatas?
https://tinyurl.com/2zbarpew
Posted by: SJW Commissar at October 13, 2023 11:55 AM (Uws2Q)

Probably can't be sold in North America. At a guess: no 5 mph bumpers, no air bags, no catalytic converter. Probably does have seat belts, though.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:58 AM (iQkDx)

284 My dream car would be a Crown Vic Police Interceptor

cop shocks, cop tires, cop motor...
and SCMODS
Posted by: DB
---
Friend of mine in Wyo has at least 3 ex-police Crown Vics. Loves 'em.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 13, 2023 11:58 AM (aBJcM)

285 > hey I smoke Luckies
Marlboros are over $100 a carton here

I'm stuffing my own. Ohm Gold is a pretty good brand of tobacco if you were raised on bare-ass Camels, as I was.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 11:58 AM (Y6AXb)

286 I've been hearing EV's are so much simpler than ICE vehicles to the point it will be shutting down factories and massively downsizing the UAW. Makes sense.

But then why are they so expensive? It can't be just the battery.

Posted by: Ripley at October 13, 2023 11:58 AM (JojsZ)

287 SK dumping industrial waste at local hazmat drop off rather than processing it themselves has all the hallmarks of Russian organized crime.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 13, 2023 11:58 AM (MDUCw)

288 279 LSMFT
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Loose Strap Means Flopping Tata's?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 11:57 AM (J47y1)

Saw another (NSFW) definition on Urban dictionary which ends with My Finger's Tired...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

289 Friend of mine in Wyo has at least 3 ex-police Crown Vics. Loves 'em.
Posted by: screaming in digital at October 13, 2023 11:58 AM (aBJcM)
++++
I drive the high-end version (the Town Car). It's bulletproof. The only weak point in it is the transmission, which you should expect to replace at somewhere between 150k and 200k miles. The motors and chassis are good to 500k easily.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:59 AM (t0OGg)

290 Hybrids should be the focus but the powers to be want to eliminate fossil fuels. They don’t care about an actual reduction.

Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 11:59 AM (MNhXM)

291 EV's, an idea whose time has not come
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM (RclUg)

Hi Ben had,

I'm sorry to say but unless our house repairs finish earlier than expected, i won't be able to make the TXMOME.

Drink a Perfect Manhattan for me. Shaken, but of course!

Posted by: naturalfake at October 13, 2023 11:59 AM (QzZeQ)

292 281 The Aztek was special.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 13, 2023 11:57 AM (NkASH)

So are many of our Congressmen and our President.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

293 Hybrids should be the focus but the powers to be want to eliminate fossil fuels. They don’t care about an actual reduction.
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 11:59 AM (MNhXM)
++++
And yet they're all pissing and moaning about Gaza finally going net-zero.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:00 PM (t0OGg)

294 Tesla has half the market, which can be lower than it was before and still amount for record sales because the market is, slowly, growing but more importantly the number of players has ballooned dramatically.

___

The record is the overall sales. Tesla at 50% is just showing it's not the only game in town as it once was. But Tesla, like the overall market is still in growth mode

More from the article:

2 Key data points

"Electric vehicle sales accounted for 7.9% of total industry sales in Q3, a record and up from 6.1% a year ago and 7.2% in Q2"

and

"In 2020, just three years back, EV sales in the U.S. passed 250,000 for the first time. This year, the market will jump past 1 million. In Q3, Tesla remains the undisputed leader in EV sales, with Ford a distant #2 on the list, selling just over 20,000 EVs."

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:00 PM (bWsRe)

295
First of all, never get a Ford

Second of all, never get a Ford
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (VTu1l)

I have 5 of them. Very few complaints. The Nissan Maxima I bought brand new in 2004? Will never by another Nissan ever again.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

296 The latest scam from the World Economic Forum, since they have decided Climate Emergency isn't going to work, is WATER EMERGENCY. The sky is falling because we are running out of CLEAN WATER.

There are 121 million tons of water on the planet for each of the 8 billion humans on the planet. Every ounce of that water can be turned into distilled water by using a solar still. THERE IS NO CLEAN WATER SHORTAGE.

DON'T BELIEVE THE BULLSHIT COMING FROM THE WEF.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 13, 2023 12:00 PM (CecP5)

297 I'm wondering if Blackrock and the like are buying up EVs the same way they buy up entire neighborhoods

I actually do see a considerable number of Teslas on the road that I keep a wide berth around in case they explode, while wondering how these fuckweenie twinkletoes can even afford them in this roaring economy of hours where i haven't been able to find another job in 6 months of applying.

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 12:00 PM (VTu1l)

298 Probably can't be sold in North America. At a guess: no 5 mph bumpers, no air bags, no catalytic converter. Probably does have seat belts, though.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 11:58 AM

I'm a poor migrant fleeing violent oppression and persecution in my home country...

Posted by: Mannix's Tata truck at October 13, 2023 12:00 PM (Uws2Q)

299 This bikini blonde likes a man with a big ... truck:
https://is.gd/xoHA7f
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:47 AM (t0OGg)

Iceback. Would look good in a Brunhilde Helmet.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 12:01 PM (4I/2K)

300 222 The Ford Maverick is a medium sized pickup.

/////

"Maverick" is the same name as Ford's sh**ty compact car introduced in 1969, when, like all American auto makers, they thought they could compete with the Japanese cars -- by pushing these 1970s pieces of junk, like the Pinto and the Vega.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 13, 2023 12:01 PM (EsceZ)

301 I'm sorry to say but unless our house repairs finish earlier than expected, i won't be able to make the TXMOME.

Drink a Perfect Manhattan for me. Shaken, but of course!
Posted by: naturalfake at October 13, 2023 11:59 AM (QzZeQ)

*makes sadface*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:01 PM (Zz0t1)

302 legal=legal
also
"skirting of law"=legal

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 13, 2023 12:02 PM (fs1hN)

303 I have 5 of them. Very few complaints. The Nissan Maxima I bought brand new in 2004? Will never by another Nissan ever again.

**************

That's surprising, anyone I knew who owned a Ford had issues, but then these were the latest models.

Now Nissan? Not a surprise at all

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 12:02 PM (VTu1l)

304 > The US also has not signed. Nor have China, Russia, India, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, or Syria.

Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States have also not signed.

That pretty much covers all potential combatants in the region, yes? But somehow it's only the BAAAAD ISRAELIS!!!! who get mentioned as not having signed this "international treaty".

Weird, huh?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 12:02 PM (Y6AXb)

305 302 legal=legal
also
"skirting of law"=legal
Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 13, 2023 12:02 PM (fs1hN)

========

"using loopholes" = legal

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

306 "In 2020, just three years back, EV sales in the U.S. passed 250,000 for the first time. This year, the market will jump past 1 million. In Q3, Tesla remains the undisputed leader in EV sales, with Ford a distant #2 on the list, selling just over 20,000 EVs."

How much of that is from fleet sales by people who don't give a damn about price/performance?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 12:03 PM (1Z8zZ)

307 304 > The US also has not signed. Nor have China, Russia, India, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, or Syria.

Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States have also not signed.

That pretty much covers all potential combatants in the region, yes? But somehow it's only the BAAAAD ISRAELIS!!!! who get mentioned as not having signed this "international treaty".

Weird, huh?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 12:02 PM (Y6AXb)

I'm sure Hamas, Hezzbollah, Islamojizzhad, and the PA are non-signatories as well. I mean, I'm pretty sure raping, murdering, and beheading women and children is not considered acceptible behavior...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

308 COMING SOON:
mailin' it!
The Official USPS Podcast

A Day in the Life: Mail Carrier
In this exclusive interview, get a behind-the-scenes look at the daily life of mail carrier, Davita Lawrence, including her routes to houses, offices, and everything in between.

Why does this exist?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (t0OGg)

309 LSMFT
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 13, 2023 11:54 AM

Heh, heh....

*nods*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/uToothless old dude in crappy hotel lobby] at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (9CQ0+)

310
296 The latest scam from the World Economic Forum, since they have decided Climate Emergency isn't going to work, is WATER EMERGENCY. The sky is falling because we are running out of CLEAN WATER.

////

I was reading that Iran has a fresh water shortage. Dunno if it's true, but I have no tears to shed

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (EsceZ)

311 A practical car, no maybe a truck, nah it's not a truck was the Subaru Brat. Rear facing seats in the bed so your buds could throw beer cans at cars, or shoot mailboxes. Now, really, if the rust didn't get them they ran forever. Subaru, before the husky women in flannel shirts deal, used to have a million mile club.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (0EOe9)

312 I'm a poor migrant fleeing violent oppression and persecution in my home country...
Posted by: Mannix's Tata truck at October 13, 2023 12:00 PM (Uws2Q)

Friend of mine has a "Tiger" truck, which was made in China, and looks like the Tata in the link. He bought at a Government Surplus Auction, from the U.S. Air Force, which used them as go-fers on bases. He has managed to get it licensed in Arizona. Fun little rig to drive, and undeniably useful.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (iQkDx)

313 307 I'm sure Hamas, Hezzbollah, Islamojizzhad, and the PA are non-signatories as well. I mean, I'm pretty sure raping, murdering, and beheading women and children is not considered acceptible behavior...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

=======

Depends.

Does the world's elite think of those being raped, murdered, and beheaded as human?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

314 Major sock fail.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (9CQ0+)

315 BTW for those saying EVs are unaffordable and only a toy for the rich...have you looked at the price of an F150 lately? It's $60K for an XLT crewcab, which is the mid-level trim. If you want all the high end shit, you're looking at $79, 80K. That's affordable to the average American. But a $40K Tesla Model 3 isn't? Explain that math to me.

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (bWsRe)

316 308 COMING SOON:
mailin' it!
The Official USPS Podcast

A Day in the Life: Mail Carrier
In this exclusive interview, get a behind-the-scenes look at the daily life of mail carrier, Davita Lawrence, including her routes to houses, offices, and everything in between.

Why does this exist?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (t0OGg)

If you don't trust sending cash via USPS, why would you trust them with your ballots?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

317 Mike Pence heckled at a small press gaggle. The heckler repeatedly asserted, "Mike Pence is gay."

Video here:
https://is.gd/ZVPVQn

Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (R38qh)

318 315 BTW for those saying EVs are unaffordable and only a toy for the rich...have you looked at the price of an F150 lately? It's $60K for an XLT crewcab, which is the mid-level trim. If you want all the high end shit, you're looking at $79, 80K. That's affordable to the average American. But a $40K Tesla Model 3 isn't? Explain that math to me.
Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (bWsRe)

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Why are you comparing a truck to a sedan?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

319 I have a Tesla dealership practically across the street from me. Surprisingly I don’t see that many Teslas driving around my vicinity.

Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 12:06 PM (MNhXM)

320 >>> There are no more "cheap and cheerful" bare-bones trucks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 11:36 AM

CAFE gives relief to large trucks and penalizes small trucks. So a new bare bones Chevy Luv might get 35 mog, it'll have a huge fee attached to it making it uneconomical. Big ass need only get 20 mpg and a smaller penalty.

Sum Dude has a video out there with tables, graphs, math explaining how red tape killed the small truck market and why trucks keep getting bigger.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 13, 2023 12:06 PM (MDUCw)

321 > "Maverick" is the same name as Ford's sh**ty compact car introduced in 1969,

Took one of those up the Alaska Highway back when it was still unpaved. The only damage was one broken headlight and a minor windshield ding, both from flying gravel. The only mechanical failure was a radiator hose clamp loosening (likely from vibration). A quick tighten and it was good to go.

Drove it for several years after that, until it got rear-ended and totaled.

So... not all *that* shitty.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 12:06 PM (Y6AXb)

322 A practical car, no maybe a truck, nah it's not a truck was the Subaru Brat. Rear facing seats in the bed so your buds could throw beer cans at cars, or shoot mailboxes. Now, really, if the rust didn't get them they ran forever. Subaru, before the husky women in flannel shirts deal, used to have a million mile club.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

A buddy had one in high school. Fun stump jumper.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 12:06 PM (Y2tls)

323 310
296 The latest scam from the World Economic Forum, since they have decided Climate Emergency isn't going to work, is WATER EMERGENCY. The sky is falling because we are running out of CLEAN WATER.

////

I was reading that Iran has a fresh water shortage. Dunno if it's true, but I have no tears to shed

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (EsceZ)

They have billions and billions of dollars to spend on desalization. Several countries do. Oh wait, they don't care about that as much as funding terror and nuclear weapons programs.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:07 PM (ynpvh)

324 A Day in the Life: Mail Carrier
In this exclusive interview, get a behind-the-scenes look at the daily life of mail carrier, Davita Lawrence, including her routes to houses, offices, and everything in between.

Why does this exist?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (t0OGg)

I go to the first house on my route. Drop off the mail. Then I go to the second house on my route. Drop off the mail. I'd go to the third house on my route but them mutherfuckers is Republicans so I just throw their shit away. Then I go to the fourth house on my route...

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 12:07 PM (1Z8zZ)

325 313 307 I'm sure Hamas, Hezzbollah, Islamojizzhad, and the PA are non-signatories as well. I mean, I'm pretty sure raping, murdering, and beheading women and children is not considered acceptible behavior...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

=======

Depends.

Does the world's elite think of those being raped, murdered, and beheaded as human?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

::: PETA has entered the chat :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:07 PM (ynpvh)

326 *makes sadface*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:01 PM

Word. I'm flying out tomorrow. Hanging at my friends' ranch for a few days before the MoMe.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:07 PM (9CQ0+)

327 Why are you comparing a truck to a sedan?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

Exactly. The F150 can haul 1500 pounds in the bed, or tow a 6000 pound trailer, and go about 500 miles on a tank of gas. Teslas can go real fast, for a short distance.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 12:08 PM (iQkDx)

328 I was reading that Iran has a fresh water shortage. Dunno if it's true, but I have no tears to shed
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (EsceZ)

Tears are salty. Wouldn't help anyway.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 12:08 PM (1Z8zZ)

329 A Day in the Life: Mail Carrier
In this exclusive interview, get a behind-the-scenes look at the daily life of mail carrier, Davita Lawrence, including her routes to houses, offices, and everything in between.

Why does this exist?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:04 PM (t0OGg)

Background music will be the theme from Driving Miss Daisy.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2023 12:08 PM (uSHSS)

330
Word. I'm flying out tomorrow. Hanging at my friends' ranch for a few days before the MoMe.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:07 PM (9CQ0+)

Whereabout's the ranch?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

331 Mike Pence heckled at a small press gaggle. The heckler repeatedly asserted, "Mike Pence is gay."
___

Childish. But I chuckled.

Although, come to think of it, Pence said he wouldn't have dinner alone with an unrelated female, but he didn't say that about having dinner alone with an unrelated male. Hmmm.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (fs1hN)

332 Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (bWsRe)

Because the rich can afford to have other ICE vehicles for longer trips. Or at least to have an ICE vehicle escort to save a spot at charging stations.

Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (MNhXM)

333 Why are you comparing a truck to a sedan?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

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Because the F150 is the #1 selling vehicle in the US.

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (bWsRe)

334 But EV's work so well in my video games

Posted by: Goofy out of touch reality guy. at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (v6i3r)

335 In 2023 alone, 61 thousand "special interest aliens" entered the border.

Hamas' deadly attack involved how many people? A few hundred? Imagine thousands being activated at once.

https://is.gd/wEtPbq

Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (R38qh)

336 I go to the first house on my route. Drop off the mail. Then I go to the second house on my route. Drop off the mail. I'd go to the third house on my route but them mutherfuckers is Republicans so I just throw their shit away. Then I go to the fourth house on my route...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 13, 2023 12:07 PM

*The local drug dealer's pitbull has entered the chat.*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:10 PM (9CQ0+)

337 BTW for those saying EVs are unaffordable and only a toy for the rich...have you looked at the price of an F150 lately? It's $60K for an XLT crewcab, which is the mid-level trim. If you want all the high end shit, you're looking at $79, 80K. That's affordable to the average American. But a $40K Tesla Model 3 isn't? Explain that math to me.
Posted by: Montec

Because I'd have to get the Tesla IN ADDITION TO the F150 to do the things I need to do. Meaning instead of just spending $79k, I now have to dpend $119k.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 12:10 PM (Y2tls)

338 335 In 2023 alone, 61 thousand "special interest aliens" entered the border.

Hamas' deadly attack involved how many people? A few hundred? Imagine thousands being activated at once.

https://is.gd/wEtPbq

Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (R38qh)

I heard it was around 1,000.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:10 PM (ynpvh)

339 CAFE gives relief to large trucks and penalizes small trucks. So a new bare bones Chevy Luv might get 35 mog, it'll have a huge fee attached to it making it uneconomical. Big ass need only get 20 mpg and a smaller penalty.

Sum Dude has a video out there with tables, graphs, math explaining how red tape killed the small truck market and why trucks keep getting bigger.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 13, 2023 12:06 PM (MDUCw)

This! Small trucks didn't disappear because people stopped buying them. They disappeared because dealers were forced to stop selling them. They exist everywhere else in the world.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 12:10 PM (iQkDx)

340 __

Because the F150 is the #1 selling vehicle in the US.

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (bWsRe)

And they would rather have a gas truck than a battery car. Cost doesn't appear to factor into that decision.

Wonder what the cost of ownership over a 10 year span is for each owner........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:10 PM (Zz0t1)

341 333 Why are you comparing a truck to a sedan?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (LvTSG)

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Because the F150 is the #1 selling vehicle in the US.

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (bWsRe)

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So? The argument is about affordability. Compare like with like. How does the Tesla Series S compare to something like a Toyota Accord?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:10 PM (LvTSG)

342 naturalfake, there is no such thing as too late, ya know

Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2023 12:11 PM (RclUg)

343 Whereabout's the ranch?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM

Cameron

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:11 PM (9CQ0+)

344 A Toyota Rav4 "Premium" trim is about $33k MSRP.
A Tesla Model Y Long Range" trim (the basic one) is about $67k MSRP.

The top Rav4 trim - the "TRD Off-Road" is around $38k MSRP, as compared to the top Model Y trim ("Performance") at around $71k.

The vehicles are of a similar size. The Tesla is nicer and has some more whiz-bangs and better performance. It's also a ton more money.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (t0OGg)

345 Am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Stein funny. At all.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (8ay+b)

346 You put the letters in the boxes. You get bitten by the dogs. And you carry on your ceaseless cycle of vendetta and reprisal with your comedian neighbor.

Not much to it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (0FoWg)

347 In 2023 alone, 61 thousand "special interest aliens" entered the border.

Hamas' deadly attack involved how many people? A few hundred? Imagine thousands being activated at once.

https://is.gd/wEtPbq

Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM

So you're saying we should buy a lot more ammunition?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (9CQ0+)

348 340 __

Because the F150 is the #1 selling vehicle in the US.

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM (bWsRe)

And they would rather have a gas truck than a battery car. Cost doesn't appear to factor into that decision.

Wonder what the cost of ownership over a 10 year span is for each owner........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:10 PM (Zz0t1)

Because of a mostly-cloudy September (and my kids using tons of electricity), I used more electricity than I generated last month. Cost? About 50¢/KWH, half the cost being fees and taxes. Now, cost of electricity is tiered here, and gets more expensive as you cross into the next tier...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

349 BTW for those saying EVs are unaffordable and only a toy for the rich...have you looked at the price of an F150 lately? It's $60K for an XLT crewcab, which is the mid-level trim. If you want all the high end shit, you're looking at $79, 80K. That's affordable to the average American. But a $40K Tesla Model 3 isn't?

I would argue that neither is terribly affordable. My wife and I make good money. Low six figures each. We're not buying $80,000 vehicles any time soon.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (R38qh)

350 344 A Toyota Rav4 "Premium" trim is about $33k MSRP.
A Tesla Model Y Long Range" trim (the basic one) is about $67k MSRP.

The top Rav4 trim - the "TRD Off-Road" is around $38k MSRP, as compared to the top Model Y trim ("Performance") at around $71k.

The vehicles are of a similar size. The Tesla is nicer and has some more whiz-bangs and better performance. It's also a ton more money.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (t0OGg)

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Nah, man. The key is to compare the Tesla to some kind of car that it's not like at all. That's the key.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM (LvTSG)

351 Because I'd have to get the Tesla IN ADDITION TO the F150 to do the things I need to do. Meaning instead of just spending $79k, I now have to dpend $119k.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 12:10 PM (Y2tls)

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I've lived without a truck my entire life. I rent one from Uhaul occasionally. $20 a day plus 79 cents a mile. A lot cheaper than $80K

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM (bWsRe)

352
Cameron
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:11 PM (9CQ0+)

Ah...down there not too far from commietown. Still should be country for a few years yet, tho.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM (Zz0t1)

353 Am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Stein funny. At all.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM

*raises hand*

Who is Alex Stein?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM (9CQ0+)

354
Because the F150 is the #1 selling vehicle in the US.

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM

Purchased almost exclusively by men who need a truck to make a living. Cost of doing business, perhaps a write off.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM (enJYY)

355 CAFE gives relief to large trucks and penalizes small trucks. So a new bare bones Chevy Luv might get 35 mog, it'll have a huge fee attached to it making it uneconomical. Big ass need only get 20 mpg and a smaller penalty.

Sum Dude has a video out there with tables, graphs, math explaining how red tape killed the small truck market and why trucks keep getting bigger.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 13, 2023 12:06 PM (MDUCw)
++++
Yup. CAFE is a great example of perverse incentive.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM (t0OGg)

356 Whereabout's the ranch?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:09 PM

Cameron
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Have a friend and one of our company's customers is in Cameron. Nice town.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM (Y2tls)

357 > 345 Am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Stein funny. At all.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (8ay+b)

Nope. The dude has a highly punchable face as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 12:14 PM (Y6AXb)

358 Why doesn't toyota sell the Hilux here?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 12:14 PM (8ay+b)

359 "lithium-ion batteries that incinerate (propel) them."

Cracked me up Buck. Thanks.

Posted by: Paulie bag a' donuts at October 13, 2023 12:14 PM (9214m)

360 ___

I've lived without a truck my entire life. I rent one from Uhaul occasionally. $20 a day plus 79 cents a mile. A lot cheaper than $80K
Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM (bWsRe)

I've lived with a truck a significant portion of my adult life. I use it to haul stuff, tow stuff and help friends out with stuff.

To each their own. If you have no need for one, it's not required to shun others that do because you don't like the price.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)

361 Am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Stein funny. At all.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (8ay+b)

I occasionally get a chuckle, but no, he isn't very funny... He's carved out a good niche by not being woke. It's basically a right-wing version of clapter.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 13, 2023 12:14 PM (0FoWg)

362 Explain that math to me.
Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (bWsRe)

When two integers love each other very much . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (4I/2K)

363 Why doesn't toyota sell the Hilux here?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 12:14 PM (8ay+b)

Not enough terrorists running around with gun turrets in the back?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (Zz0t1)

364 I've lived without a truck my entire life. I rent one from Uhaul occasionally. $20 a day plus 79 cents a mile. A lot cheaper than $80K
Posted by: Montec

For uou, that works. Don't force me into an ev.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (Y2tls)

365 Ah...down there not too far from commietown. Still should be country for a few years yet, tho.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:13 PM

Yup. Plan to hit some distilleries, shoot some feral pig, barbecue. Then drag my buddy up the MoMe. They're our kind of people. Gun Thread lurkers.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (9CQ0+)

366 > Am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Stein funny. At all.

I also don't find Alex Stein funny. I enjoy that he aggressively throws the left's hypocrisy in their faces, but even still I still can't watch him for more than a few seconds with the sound on.

I sometimes watch with the sound off, though.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (R38qh)

367 A Toyota Rav4 "Premium" trim is about $33k MSRP.
A Tesla Model Y Long Range" trim (the basic one) is about $67k MSRP.

The top Rav4 trim - the "TRD Off-Road" is around $38k MSRP, as compared to the top Model Y trim ("Performance") at around $71k.

The vehicles are of a similar size. The Tesla is nicer and has some more whiz-bangs and better performance. It's also a ton more money.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (t0OGg)

And in about 8 years, the Tesla will be worth next to nothing, as its very expensive battery will be worn out. And the Toyota will keep soldiering on, for another eight years, and another eight after that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (iQkDx)

368 “Lenders should not deny people the opportunity to take out a loan to buy a home, build their businesses or otherwise pursue their financial goals because of unlawful bias and without regard to their actual ability to repay,” Kristen Clarke, assistant attorney general of the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division... “This guidance reminds lenders that denying someone access to credit based solely on their actual or perceived immigrant status may violate federal law.”

also

The statement implicates the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), which makes it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex and more in considering a person’s credit application as the mechanism, even though the law does not list citizenship status as a protected attribute.

So now the govt. can decide which "law" the bank is violating no matter what the bank does and make a judgement on whether to prosecute. Excellent way to control behavior extra-judiciously by the regulatory overlords.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (fs1hN)

369 I wish they sold the Toyota HiLux here. The damn things run forever. Really, really good small trucks.

Posted by: Cliffs Notes at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (YY7ba)

370 362 Explain that math to me.
Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:05 PM (bWsRe)

When two integers love each other very much . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (4I/2K)

Yeah, but the division during divorce...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

371 > I rent one from Uhaul occasionally.

You can rent them at many Lowes and Home Depots as well, which pretty much takes care of the "I need a truck to haul lumber and sheetrock" argument.

Yes, if you are a full-time contractor you need a truck.

No, if you are a homeowner who does an occasional project, you probably don't.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 12:16 PM (Y6AXb)

372 Am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Stein funny. At all.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM

He has a purpose, I guess, but I grew tired of Stuttering John a few decades ago.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)

373 3 F-150 STX 4WD trim crewcabs at the local Ford dealer. All exactly the same, except for color.

$63,750

Absurd.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2023 12:16 PM (Q4IgG)

374
Yup. Plan to hit some distilleries, shoot some feral pig, barbecue. Then drag my buddy up the MoMe. They're our kind of people. Gun Thread lurkers.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (9CQ0+)

Looking forward to it!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)

375 Am I the only one who doesn't find Alex Stein funny. At all.

The AOC big juicy booty vid cracks me up.

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (VMFAF)

376 I would argue that neither is terribly affordable. My wife and I make good money. Low six figures each. We're not buying $80,000 vehicles any time soon.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:12 PM (R38qh)

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I agree neither is affordable. But given the f150 is the #1 selling vehicle and has been forever, obviously someone is buying them.

And let's be real. The vast majority of people who buy trucks don't use them as "trucks". It's their daily commuter car with an occasional trip to home depot. But Ford has done an amazing marketing job convincing people they need a truck that can tow a house. Built FORD TOUGH YO!!

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (bWsRe)

377 > Who is Alex Stein?

He's the genius who got AOC to say, "big juicy booty" on camera. Still not funny though.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (R38qh)

378 3 F-150 STX 4WD trim crewcabs at the local Ford dealer. All exactly the same, except for color.

$63,750

Absurd.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 13, 2023 12:16 PM (Q4IgG)
++++
That's not bad for a three-pack.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (t0OGg)

379 371 > I rent one from Uhaul occasionally.

You can rent them at many Lowes and Home Depots as well, which pretty much takes care of the "I need a truck to haul lumber and sheetrock" argument.

Yes, if you are a full-time contractor you need a truck.

No, if you are a homeowner who does an occasional project, you probably don't.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 13, 2023 12:16 PM (Y6AXb)

Exactly what I do; need to haul something that won't fit in my car (like a refrigerator)? Rent from Home Depot for the hour, make sure it's back before the end of the hour.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (ynpvh)

380 Nood

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 12:18 PM (8ay+b)

381 I dont understand hwo the RAV can be considered a compact SUV. When I drove in it I felt like I was driving in a box.

And you have to get hybrid too, the base engine is gayer than a Disney movie.

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 13, 2023 12:18 PM (VTu1l)

382 374
Yup. Plan to hit some distilleries, shoot some feral pig, barbecue. Then drag my buddy up the MoMe. They're our kind of people. Gun Thread lurkers.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 13, 2023 12:15 PM (9CQ0+)

Looking forward to it!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)

Gotta cook that feral pig real good.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

383 Been arguing with Mrs D about who makes the coffee in the morning.
She slapped the Bible on the table. "You do! There's a whole chapter in here about it!"

Hebrews.

Damn.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 13, 2023 12:18 PM (uSHSS)

384 NOOD Universities

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 13, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

385 Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (bWsRe)

You seem to have a real hard-on for how other people spend their money.

Posted by: Cliffs Notes at October 13, 2023 12:18 PM (YY7ba)

386 You can rent them at many Lowes and Home Depots as well, which pretty much takes care of the "I need a truck to haul lumber and sheetrock" argument.

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This may be regional, but at my Lowes and HD, the ones they rent are not set up to tow. That's why I get it from Uhaul.

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:18 PM (bWsRe)

387 You seem to have a real hard-on for how other people spend their money.
Posted by: Cliffs Notes at October 13, 2023 12:18 PM (YY7ba)

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Spend your money however you want. If an $80K truck to drive to a suburban office park is your thing, have at it.

Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:20 PM (bWsRe)

388 > Why doesn't toyota sell the Hilux here?

They sold it here from '72 to '95. The Tacoma has now basically replaced it. Some believe the Hilux left because of CAFE standards.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 12:20 PM (R38qh)

389 naturalfake, there is no such thing as too late, ya know
Posted by: Ben Had at October 13, 2023 12:11 PM (RclUg)

I'll make it if I can. Just not looking that way right now.

We'll see though.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 13, 2023 12:21 PM (QzZeQ)

390 And let's be real. The vast majority of people who buy trucks don't use them as "trucks". It's their daily commuter car with an occasional trip to home depot. But Ford has done an amazing marketing job convincing people they need a truck that can tow a house. Built FORD TOUGH YO!!
Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 12:17 PM (bWsRe)

You can't get really big cars anymore, either. A "big" car today is about the size of a mid-'70's Volvo. You want a big vehicle that can haul 4 or more people in comfort, you get a 4-door pickup, or an SUV.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 13, 2023 12:21 PM (iQkDx)

391 Electric vehicles are the vehicles of the future! And always will be. As an aside, while personal lasers and rail/coil guns are cool as tech toys I don't see them replacing firearms anytime soon because chemical propellants have so much more energy storage density than batteries.

Posted by: Michael Gilson at October 13, 2023 12:29 PM (kS4zg)

392 Electric vehicles are the future, because people who actually try them like them and their costs are falling like a stone. The most popular car in the world is electric now (Tesla Model Y).

The only question is whether the legacy car makers will successfully learn to make EVs, or if it will be all Chinese makers. Remember when Japanese cars invaded the US? Like that, only worse.

EVs are on an exponential growth curve. You can make all the jokes you want, you can insult EV owners every time this comes up, but it is what it is.

I don't support making EVs mandatory, I think people should be free to choose. But as the cost of an EV keeps coming down, most people will come to prefer them. And I am glad we have Tesla because otherwise the future would be all Chinese cars.

Companies like VW are claiming there is no demand but Tesla and the Chinese companies are selling exponentially more each year.

I predict that the Cybertruck will be a real workhorse and the Tesla Semi has already shown it's a real, working truck that really hauls cargo. Stick a pin in my predictions and check in a few years to see how accurate they were.

Posted by: mr_jack at October 13, 2023 01:00 PM (NLjWT)

393 The legacy car makers should have gotten serious about EVs in 2012 when the Tesla Model S was released. Now the flood of Chinese cars is here, and Tesla is selling more cars than Mazda or Audi. So the legacy car companies not only have to learn how to make EVs, they have to do it while competing with cars sold profitably at prices below what they can match. Huge R&D investment and then losing money on each vehicle sold. Bad deal. But if they want to have a future they gotta do it and it will only get more painful if they delay more.

And now the UAW decided to increase their costs. I was already dubious about whether the Big 3 would survive... if their labor costs go up drastically that makes at all the more likely they will just die.

Note that it gives me no pleasure to discuss this. I would prefer that American companies prosper. At least Tesla is American.

Posted by: mr_jack at October 13, 2023 01:16 PM (NLjWT)

394 I did NOT take math in public schools. Therefore I am quite confident that your math is.........wrong.

A quarter's sales of 3,500+ vehicles does NOT "annualize" to 42,000+ vehicles.

But a MONTHLY sale of 3,500+ does.

Please pick one.

Posted by: dad29 at October 13, 2023 01:25 PM (GU/kd)

395 I have a BMW 750 il xdrive. 2013 that I bought in 2017 for $36k with 35 k miles. That is a big car. 23 mpg at 85 mph all day long. Somebody was able to write off $80k in 4 years so I could buy it. Also have a KIA Soul , 2010 that is the dogs cars. The rear seats have never be upright.

Posted by: free tibet at October 13, 2023 01:45 PM (iNp3L)

396 #367
In 8vyrsrs the Tesla will have about 100000 miles 8years x12000)
Buyers routinely get 250000 to 300000
The highest mileage Tesla a Mod S used as a taxi in Germany currently has about 1 million on it replacement batteries.
Battery prices keep decreasing and longevity keeps increasing
Try to stay current

Posted by: Paul at October 13, 2023 01:47 PM (2YcH4)

397 Did anyone bother to fact check Buck about EV sales?
Or was it just too good to fact check
Data that you WANT to believe should always be checked first

Posted by: Paul at October 13, 2023 01:49 PM (2YcH4)

398 Buck wasn't around back in the day, but how many here remember their prognostications when Obama loaned GM. 38 billion to avoid bankruptcy?
I know that Ace himself remembers his position on that

Posted by: Paul at October 13, 2023 01:52 PM (2YcH4)

399 Buck fact-checked Buck’s figures and can confirm that everything Buck wrote is correct.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at October 13, 2023 03:25 PM (IifvS)

400 Biden and the rest of those Liberal Democrats with the Attention span of a Housefly

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at October 13, 2023 05:36 PM (wGqjj)

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