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Compassionate Criminal Justice and the Victims of Under-Incarceration
The story of an awful murder in downtown Chattanooga a few days ago has become an international story (the British press is covering it too), not only because the murder victim was a prominent young businessman with three children, but because the murderer had 66 prior arrests, yet he was still prowling the streets and committing crimes.
Sixty-six prior arrests. While Chattanooga has been led by left-wing, soft-on-crime mayors for the past decade, the scandal really belongs to soft-on-crime Republicans. Hamilton County, in which Chattanooga sits, has had a Republican District Attorney for many years. Worse still, the state of Tennessee has a soft-on-crime Republican Governor, Bill Lee, whose compassionate conservatism has compelled him to try to empty the state’s penitentiaries. This is an actual quote from Governor Lee from back in 2019 “We can empty our jails in the same way that some other states have done. I know we can do that.” We’ll return to Governor Lee’s crime-enabling compassion in a moment, but first here is the story of Chris Wright’s murder at the hands of 66-times arrestee Darryl Roberts.
“Father of three, on way to high school reunion, is killed by career criminal, cops say” [NY Post – 10/03/2023]
A prominent Tennessee businessman was shot and killed by a man with 66 prior arrests while on his way to attend his high school class’s 20th-anniversary reunion, authorities said. Despite being arrested more than five dozen times, records show that Roberts never served more than six months behind bars. Christopher Wright, 38, was in downtown Chattanooga on Thursday night to meet up with fellow Baylor School alumni when he got into an argument with Darryl Roberts, a career criminal known as “Too Tall,” Chattanoogan.com reports.As noted in the NY Post piece, Darryl Roberts never served more than six months in prison. Other local reporting in Tennessee revealed that among the previous crimes committed by Roberts was an attempted murder, wherein Roberts fired a gun multiple times through a door at a man he was trying to kill. “Man Charged In Chris Wright Murder Has 66 Arrests, Including 2010 Home Invasion With Shots Fired Through A Door”[Chattanoogan.com – 10/01/2023]
Surveillance of the incident shows Wright, a father of three, including an 8-week-old baby, talking to Roberts, 57, and another man before walking away. Wright then turns around to say something to the two men, with Roberts reacting by walking up to him and firing his gun at Wright’s head, police said.
In May, 2010, police said Roberts fired six shots through a bedroom door at an apartment on Hixson Pike. A man was behind the door and four children were in an adjacent bedroom, but no one was hurt. In that case he was charged with two counts of attempted first-degree murder, aggravated burglary, reckless endangerment, possession of a firearm while committing a felony, possession of marijuana for resale and possession of drug paraphernalia.So why was a man like Darryl Roberts out on the streets? Maybe it’s because the Governor of Tennessee wants people like him out on the streets.
[Tennessee Gov Bill] Lee Pushes Criminal Justice Reform [The Tennessean – 10/21/2019]
The governor described the phrase [“criminal justice reform”] as one that means having fewer people in prison, more productive citizens after they leave, less taxpayer money spent on incarceration and a lower crime rate in the state. “It isn’t going to be easy to get that done,” he said. “We have to be creative and innovative and disruptive and challenge the way we’ve been doing things forever.” He added, “We can empty our jails in the same way that some other states have done. I know we can do that.”Governor Lee eventually got the anti-incarceration reforms he wanted. “Gov. Bill Lee called his Tennessee criminal justice reforms 'monumental’” [Tennessean – 5/04/2021]
One of the new laws is focused on diverting offenders away from state prisons. That measure will expand the group of people eligible for recovery courts, shorten the maximum amount of time someone can be placed on probation, and prevent some people from going back to jail for technical probation violations. The second new law will ease the requirements for people to be released on parole and will establish more support for inmates who are released from prison.I can’t believe I’m quoting Paul Mirengoff, but before he was pushed out at Powerlineblog, Mirengoff occasionally wrote about under-incarceration, including this 2019 piece about Gov. Lee’s dangerous anti-incarceration idealism.
Any old governor can incarcerate dangerous criminals. It takes innovators like Lee to let them roam our streets. How many more Tennesseans will be victims of violent crime because of jailbreak polices? How many more will die in the name of “creative and innovative and disruptive challenge[s] to the way we’ve been doing things forever”? One more victim would be too many, and there’s a good chance there will be more than one.One of those victims of Gov. Lee’s “innovative and disruptive” de-incarceration efforts was Mr. Wright. For the record, my church is actively involved in prison ministry, something I strongly support. I am also passionate about the need to re-integrate back into society those who have served their sentences. Employment and faith are often critical for that to be a success, and we should compassionately strive to provide the resources to make their rehabilitation successful. But there are a great many criminals who cannot be rehabilitated. We owe it to society to put them behind bars and keep them behind bars. A person who has been arrested 66 times, including for an attempted murder, cannot be roaming the streets. Any politician whose “compassion” would allow such a criminal to prey on the citizenry is unfit for office. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
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Good afternoon everyone
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 12:00 PM (fwDg9)
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But there are a great many criminals who cannot be rehabilitated. We owe it to society to put them behind bars and keep them behind bars.
Or remove them in a more permanent fashion. We don't try to save rabid animals and this isn't any different.
Or remove them in a more permanent fashion. We don't try to save rabid animals and this isn't any different.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2023 12:03 PM (QToQ1)
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Wasn't Trump in to de-incarceration as well?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
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Uh oh. Paddy won't like this thread....
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (Angsy)
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Similar.
Biden’s Office of Palestinian Affairs Urges Israel Not to Defend Itself Against Hamas Attacks
Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
Biden’s Office of Palestinian Affairs Urges Israel Not to Defend Itself Against Hamas Attacks
Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
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Lastest from JPost: over 600 Israelis dead.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:06 PM (ynpvh)
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5 Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
"Oh no! It's the anti-Muslim backlash!" I swear that there are a lot of liberals in this country who believe "if only those darn Jews had just died off in the 40s like they were supposed to, we'd have peace on Earth!"
"Oh no! It's the anti-Muslim backlash!" I swear that there are a lot of liberals in this country who believe "if only those darn Jews had just died off in the 40s like they were supposed to, we'd have peace on Earth!"
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2023 12:06 PM (QToQ1)
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This is why there needs to be an entity that will pick up these criminals and make absolutely sure they are released into the wild at the governor's house, the AG's house or whoever fits the bill. Don't let the leftists be given the choice where and when the criminal animals are released.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2023 12:07 PM (Q4IgG)
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5 Similar.
Biden’s Office of Palestinian Affairs Urges Israel Not to Defend Itself Against Hamas Attacks
Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
The entire MSM should move they tranny, gay asses into a Muslim country and flout their lifestyle in the Muslims' faces. THEM they might learn an important lesson in diversty (for as long as they lived)
Biden’s Office of Palestinian Affairs Urges Israel Not to Defend Itself Against Hamas Attacks
Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
The entire MSM should move they tranny, gay asses into a Muslim country and flout their lifestyle in the Muslims' faces. THEM they might learn an important lesson in diversty (for as long as they lived)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:08 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:08 PM (4PLHt)
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7 5 Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
"Oh no! It's the anti-Muslim backlash!" I swear that there are a lot of liberals in this country who believe "if only those darn Jews had just died off in the 40s like they were supposed to, we'd have peace on Earth!"
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2023 12:06 PM (QToQ1)
CNN worries about anti-White backlash to calling all Whites racists.
J/K. That would never happen.
"Oh no! It's the anti-Muslim backlash!" I swear that there are a lot of liberals in this country who believe "if only those darn Jews had just died off in the 40s like they were supposed to, we'd have peace on Earth!"
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2023 12:06 PM (QToQ1)
CNN worries about anti-White backlash to calling all Whites racists.
J/K. That would never happen.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:08 PM (ynpvh)
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Buck, sadly didn't hear of this case, maybe because a few public murders more local.
Not doing anything but letting criminals out of incarceration isn't going to work.
Not doing anything but letting criminals out of incarceration isn't going to work.
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (fwDg9)
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If Roberts had been arrested for the 67th time prior to this murder for a strong armed robbery and had a heart attack and died while being restrained he would be declared a hero killed by the man.
Posted by: Drive By at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (MNhXM)
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Lastest from JPost: over 600 Israelis dead.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Ask not for whom the bell tolls . . .
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U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken had Confirmed that Americans have been Killed by Hamas Attacks in Israel over the last 48 Hours and that there are still a number of Americans who are Missing that were possibly Kidnapped by Terrorist into the Gaza Strip.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Ask not for whom the bell tolls . . .
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U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken had Confirmed that Americans have been Killed by Hamas Attacks in Israel over the last 48 Hours and that there are still a number of Americans who are Missing that were possibly Kidnapped by Terrorist into the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
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Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
As demonstrated in the above post; those who will be kind to the cruel will be cruel to the kind.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
As demonstrated in the above post; those who will be kind to the cruel will be cruel to the kind.
Posted by: Rufus T Firefly at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (qH9t2)
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10 Whatever happened to three strikes and you're out.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:08 PM (4PLHt)
"Diversity" happened.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:08 PM (4PLHt)
"Diversity" happened.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 08, 2023 12:10 PM (R/m4+)
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Soft-on-crime Philadelphia district attorney Larry Krasner (D.), who is overseeing a murder wave in the city, said his administration will find out whether violent looters who were caught on video are "fundamentally law-abiding people."
"We'll look carefully to see whether this is a one-off situation and they're fundamentally law-abiding people, hold them accountable one way,"
accountable does NOT mean what you think it means
"We'll look carefully to see whether this is a one-off situation and they're fundamentally law-abiding people, hold them accountable one way,"
accountable does NOT mean what you think it means
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2023 12:10 PM (lwOKI)
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Wasn't Trump in to de-incarceration as well?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
Jared’s prison reform bill was a travesty.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
Jared’s prison reform bill was a travesty.
Posted by: Drive By at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (MNhXM)
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U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken had Confirmed that Americans have been Killed by Hamas Attacks in Israel over the last 48 Hours and that there are still a number of Americans who are Missing that were possibly Kidnapped by Terrorist into the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
We have 2 Carrier Groups in the Med. It might be a good time to have them sail to a position off the shore of Gaza. Ya know for effect
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
We have 2 Carrier Groups in the Med. It might be a good time to have them sail to a position off the shore of Gaza. Ya know for effect
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (pmmLi)
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"...charged with two counts of attempted first-degree murder, aggravated burglary, reckless endangerment, possession of a firearm while committing a felony, possession of marijuana for resale and possession of drug paraphernalia."
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There is a certain type of insanity that goes along with "prison reform" or whatever they're calling it. That right there. Did you read that list of charges?
If it was JUST possession and paraphernalia, I would be right there with you, saying he doesn't belong in prison. But everything above that? Decades. You belong in prison. For decades.
No type of reform should ever result in you being out, and the fact these things KEEP happening is proof the criminal "justice" system is just as broken as so many of our other institutions.
It's possible to get this right. I think we must start with getting lawyers away of the discussion. Especially prosecutors.
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There is a certain type of insanity that goes along with "prison reform" or whatever they're calling it. That right there. Did you read that list of charges?
If it was JUST possession and paraphernalia, I would be right there with you, saying he doesn't belong in prison. But everything above that? Decades. You belong in prison. For decades.
No type of reform should ever result in you being out, and the fact these things KEEP happening is proof the criminal "justice" system is just as broken as so many of our other institutions.
It's possible to get this right. I think we must start with getting lawyers away of the discussion. Especially prosecutors.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (QBaJw)
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14 Lastest from JPost: over 600 Israelis dead.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Ask not for whom the bell tolls . . .
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
And how much will this regime pay to get those folks back? Oh wait, they're probably Jewish, so nevermind.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Ask not for whom the bell tolls . . .
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U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken had Confirmed that Americans have been Killed by Hamas Attacks in Israel over the last 48 Hours and that there are still a number of Americans who are Missing that were possibly Kidnapped by Terrorist into the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
And how much will this regime pay to get those folks back? Oh wait, they're probably Jewish, so nevermind.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (ynpvh)
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Lastest from JPost: over 600 Israelis dead.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
And apparently a number of American citizens are being held hostage by Hamas in Gaza.
Since the going rate that the US is willing to pay is one billion dollars per hostage, given the deal with Iran, Hamas is about to get much richer.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
And apparently a number of American citizens are being held hostage by Hamas in Gaza.
Since the going rate that the US is willing to pay is one billion dollars per hostage, given the deal with Iran, Hamas is about to get much richer.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (2tUFv)
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fundamentally
Primarily; originally; essentially; radically; at the foundation; in origin or constituents.
To the very core of the matter.
Primarily; originally; essentially; radically; at the foundation; in origin or constituents.
To the very core of the matter.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (lwOKI)
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If liberals or squishy Republicans want criminal justice reform, let's let them have it, but with a catch, every one of these people let out needs to have a sponsor who's responsible for their actions.
So a DA wants to let Tyrone out on no bail for his beating of an elderly man, fine, but now that DA is responsible for what happens while Tyrone is out, and if he commits another crime that DA will be required to face the same prison time.
If these politicians are so sure that these are just good people in a bad situation, then surely they would very their own freedom on it.
So a DA wants to let Tyrone out on no bail for his beating of an elderly man, fine, but now that DA is responsible for what happens while Tyrone is out, and if he commits another crime that DA will be required to face the same prison time.
If these politicians are so sure that these are just good people in a bad situation, then surely they would very their own freedom on it.
Posted by: Rbastid at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (6FVPC)
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20 U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken had Confirmed that Americans have been Killed by Hamas Attacks in Israel over the last 48 Hours and that there are still a number of Americans who are Missing that were possibly Kidnapped by Terrorist into the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
We have 2 Carrier Groups in the Med. It might be a good time to have them sail to a position off the shore of Gaza. Ya know for effect
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (pmmLi)
One MOAB in downtown Gaza would have an effect too.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
We have 2 Carrier Groups in the Med. It might be a good time to have them sail to a position off the shore of Gaza. Ya know for effect
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (pmmLi)
One MOAB in downtown Gaza would have an effect too.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (ynpvh)
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There is a name for people who make excuses for the mass murder of Jews.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (2tUFv)
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OSINTdefender
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
He followed, saying that the Biden Administration is working with the Senate in a bi-partisan fashion to pull together a few billion more dollars to send to Iran in order to get them released. Also, some funding will be sent to North Korea in case they're thinking of kidnapping anyone.
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U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken had Confirmed that Americans have been Killed by Hamas Attacks in Israel over the last 48 Hours and that there are still a number of Americans who are Missing that were possibly Kidnapped by Terrorist into the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
He followed, saying that the Biden Administration is working with the Senate in a bi-partisan fashion to pull together a few billion more dollars to send to Iran in order to get them released. Also, some funding will be sent to North Korea in case they're thinking of kidnapping anyone.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (1Z8zZ)
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And, in other news, the mud season has started in Ukraine.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:13 PM (2tUFv)
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I've cued the interview up to the part where she endorses Alex Jones' claim that the Regime wants to wipe out 90% of the earth's population so that they can continue taking jets to the bathroom without worrying about "global warming." No seriously, that's not a joke. She is now hardcore. And she used to be on the hard left! The left might want to ponder what is turning people like Roseanne Barr into right-wingers so extreme that even I say "dude that's a little too far doncha think?"
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Why?
That’s literally WEF’s platform.
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Why?
That’s literally WEF’s platform.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 08, 2023 12:13 PM (L25zR)
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23 Lastest from JPost: over 600 Israelis dead.
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
And apparently a number of American citizens are being held hostage by Hamas in Gaza.
Since the going rate that the US is willing to pay is one billion dollars per hostage, given the deal with Iran, Hamas is about to get much richer.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (2tUFv)
There are "good" hostages (e.g. Bowe Bergdahl) and "bad" hostages (white or conservative or Christian). So the question is, are the hostages returned dead ("bad" hostages) or alive ("good" hostages)?
Hamas needs to be put down like the animals they are.
And apparently a number of American citizens are being held hostage by Hamas in Gaza.
Since the going rate that the US is willing to pay is one billion dollars per hostage, given the deal with Iran, Hamas is about to get much richer.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (2tUFv)
There are "good" hostages (e.g. Bowe Bergdahl) and "bad" hostages (white or conservative or Christian). So the question is, are the hostages returned dead ("bad" hostages) or alive ("good" hostages)?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:14 PM (ynpvh)
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One judge here in Houston was up to about 700 cases.
There are 16 major crime courts.
So there are over 10,000 major crime cases criminals walking free in Houston.
There are 16 major crime courts.
So there are over 10,000 major crime cases criminals walking free in Houston.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2023 12:14 PM (lwOKI)
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Matthew Foldi
@MatthewFoldi
In which an MSNBC personality says that innocent Jews deserved to be slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists. There must be a reckoning at NBC over this.
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Exceeding my lowest expectations.
@MatthewFoldi
In which an MSNBC personality says that innocent Jews deserved to be slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists. There must be a reckoning at NBC over this.
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Exceeding my lowest expectations.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:14 PM (FVME7)
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27 There is a name for people who make excuses for the mass murder of Jews.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (2tUFv)
Muslims.
Somali Congresswomen.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (2tUFv)
Muslims.
Somali Congresswomen.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:15 PM (ynpvh)
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There was a cartoon that showed a defendant standing before a judge with the caption.
Judge :,You’ve been convicted of armed robbery and sentenced to five years with the chance of parole. Please take a seat over there. It will be a couple of hours before you’re paroled.
Judge :,You’ve been convicted of armed robbery and sentenced to five years with the chance of parole. Please take a seat over there. It will be a couple of hours before you’re paroled.
Posted by: Drive By at October 08, 2023 12:15 PM (MNhXM)
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Whatever happened to three strikes and you're out.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:08 PM (4PLHt)
You'll notice the articles mention "arrested" and "charged with." They say nothing of "convicted of."
One of the major problems with all of this is the Prosecutorial Industrial Complex, where the system gets them in the front door, and lets them out the back door, because it's expensive and difficult to try and convict people of crimes. And prosecutors are all about conviction rates, which means anything that's difficult to prosecute gets pled down to damn near nothing. Which is why this guy was out and about, shooting people in the head.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:08 PM (4PLHt)
You'll notice the articles mention "arrested" and "charged with." They say nothing of "convicted of."
One of the major problems with all of this is the Prosecutorial Industrial Complex, where the system gets them in the front door, and lets them out the back door, because it's expensive and difficult to try and convict people of crimes. And prosecutors are all about conviction rates, which means anything that's difficult to prosecute gets pled down to damn near nothing. Which is why this guy was out and about, shooting people in the head.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:15 PM (QBaJw)
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Inversionism
@Inversionism
I still haven't been given a sufficient explanation for how Hamas was able to get past Israel's incredible security and newly installed technologies for both missile defense and border fortifications. Some are saying they literally just drove into the country and started attacking civilians. That cannot be possible... Did they recently hire some of the capitol security from January 6th or something?
They installed a new "David's Sling" interceptor recently to supplement several other already active and high tech air defense systems - Iron Dome, David Sling, Arrow 2, Arrow 3.
They also upgraded and bolstered their border wall with advanced technologies and censors, calling it the "iron wall". There are censors literally everywhere, even deep in the ground so they can't build tunnels. A mouse can't get across the border without the military knowing, so how did hundreds of Hamas soldiers?
@Inversionism
I still haven't been given a sufficient explanation for how Hamas was able to get past Israel's incredible security and newly installed technologies for both missile defense and border fortifications. Some are saying they literally just drove into the country and started attacking civilians. That cannot be possible... Did they recently hire some of the capitol security from January 6th or something?
They installed a new "David's Sling" interceptor recently to supplement several other already active and high tech air defense systems - Iron Dome, David Sling, Arrow 2, Arrow 3.
They also upgraded and bolstered their border wall with advanced technologies and censors, calling it the "iron wall". There are censors literally everywhere, even deep in the ground so they can't build tunnels. A mouse can't get across the border without the military knowing, so how did hundreds of Hamas soldiers?
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:15 PM (TGPs7)
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Most of this appears to be a concerted multipart campaign to cause breakdown and chaos, at the bidding of the shadowy figures who actually issue orders. Perhaps the affinity of the "elite" for Stanish things is a sign that they are Stan controlled or Stan believers. It is SO typical of the ivory tower mentality that people who only have positions due to a high civilization society think they can degrade it majorly and retain their positions. Warlords they ain't and warlords are who rule a low civilization society.
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 08, 2023 12:16 PM (3/XaG)
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25 If liberals or squishy Republicans want criminal justice reform, let's let them have it, but with a catch, every one of these people let out needs to have a sponsor who's responsible for their actions.
So a DA wants to let Tyrone out on no bail for his beating of an elderly man, fine, but now that DA is responsible for what happens while Tyrone is out, and if he commits another crime that DA will be required to face the same prison time.
If these politicians are so sure that these are just good people in a bad situation, then surely they would very their own freedom on it.
Posted by: Rbastid at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (6FVPC)
———-
Unless you’re Trump, politicians have immunity from all actions they take.
Your only recourse is the ballot box, which is a joke.
So a DA wants to let Tyrone out on no bail for his beating of an elderly man, fine, but now that DA is responsible for what happens while Tyrone is out, and if he commits another crime that DA will be required to face the same prison time.
If these politicians are so sure that these are just good people in a bad situation, then surely they would very their own freedom on it.
Posted by: Rbastid at October 08, 2023 12:11 PM (6FVPC)
———-
Unless you’re Trump, politicians have immunity from all actions they take.
Your only recourse is the ballot box, which is a joke.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 08, 2023 12:16 PM (L25zR)
40
Never engage these "people" he should never have gotten into an argument with this guy... Just walk away
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bs+z0)
41
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
·
1h
For following the war in real-time,
@WarMonitors
&
@sentdefender
are good.
@elonmusk
·
1h
For following the war in real-time,
@WarMonitors
&
@sentdefender
are good.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (lwOKI)
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27 There is a name for people who make excuses for the mass murder of Jews.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (2tUFv)
Democrats
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (2tUFv)
Democrats
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bWsRe)
43
33 Matthew Foldi
@MatthewFoldi
In which an MSNBC personality says that innocent Jews deserved to be slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists. There must be a reckoning at NBC over this.
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Exceeding my lowest expectations.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:14 PM (FVME7)
The MSM deserves to be slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists.
@MatthewFoldi
In which an MSNBC personality says that innocent Jews deserved to be slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists. There must be a reckoning at NBC over this.
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Exceeding my lowest expectations.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:14 PM (FVME7)
The MSM deserves to be slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (ynpvh)
44
Why?
That’s literally WEF’s platform.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 08, 2023 12:13 PM (L25zR)
1. Who are you quoting? Is that from the book thread?
2. Yeah, this is gonna be another case where the baddies tell everyone - for years - what they're planning and everyone says... no, they can't actually mean that.
That’s literally WEF’s platform.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 08, 2023 12:13 PM (L25zR)
1. Who are you quoting? Is that from the book thread?
2. Yeah, this is gonna be another case where the baddies tell everyone - for years - what they're planning and everyone says... no, they can't actually mean that.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (1Z8zZ)
45
Good post Buck !
Posted by: JT at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (T4tVD)
46
One MOAB in downtown Gaza would have an effect too.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (ynpvh)
I like the way you think
One MOAB in downtown Gaza would have an effect too.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (ynpvh)
I like the way you think
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (pmmLi)
47
37 Inversionism
@Inversionism
I still haven't been given a sufficient explanation for how Hamas was able to get past Israel's incredible security and newly installed technologies for both missile defense and border fortifications. Some are saying they literally just drove into the country and started attacking civilians. That cannot be possible... Did they recently hire some of the capitol security from January 6th or something?
They installed a new "David's Sling" interceptor recently to supplement several other already active and high tech air defense systems - Iron Dome, David Sling, Arrow 2, Arrow 3.
They also upgraded and bolstered their border wall with advanced technologies and censors, calling it the "iron wall". There are censors literally everywhere, even deep in the ground so they can't build tunnels. A mouse can't get across the border without the military knowing, so how did hundreds of Hamas soldiers?
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:15 PM (TGPs7)
Hackers
@Inversionism
I still haven't been given a sufficient explanation for how Hamas was able to get past Israel's incredible security and newly installed technologies for both missile defense and border fortifications. Some are saying they literally just drove into the country and started attacking civilians. That cannot be possible... Did they recently hire some of the capitol security from January 6th or something?
They installed a new "David's Sling" interceptor recently to supplement several other already active and high tech air defense systems - Iron Dome, David Sling, Arrow 2, Arrow 3.
They also upgraded and bolstered their border wall with advanced technologies and censors, calling it the "iron wall". There are censors literally everywhere, even deep in the ground so they can't build tunnels. A mouse can't get across the border without the military knowing, so how did hundreds of Hamas soldiers?
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:15 PM (TGPs7)
Hackers
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)
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Some are saying they literally just drove into the country and started attacking civilians. That cannot be possible
It is.
Worst intelligence failure in Israel's history.
Even in the '73 War, the Israeli government had a few hours notice that the war was about to start.
It is.
Worst intelligence failure in Israel's history.
Even in the '73 War, the Israeli government had a few hours notice that the war was about to start.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (2tUFv)
49
They also upgraded and bolstered their border wall with advanced technologies and censors, calling it the "iron wall". There are censors literally everywhere, even deep in the ground so they can't build tunnels. A mouse can't get across the border without the military knowing, so how did hundreds of Hamas soldiers?
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:15 PM (TGPs7)
Now do CIA FBI and 9/11
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:15 PM (TGPs7)
Now do CIA FBI and 9/11
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (lwOKI)
50
Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
Someone needs to punch said "ANALyst in the face and see what their reaction is.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
Someone needs to punch said "ANALyst in the face and see what their reaction is.
Posted by: thatcrazyguy now with twice the crazy at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (h4nev)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (17s+e)
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44 Why?
That’s literally WEF’s platform.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 08, 2023 12:13 PM (L25zR)
1. Who are you quoting? Is that from the book thread?
2. Yeah, this is gonna be another case where the baddies tell everyone - for years - what they're planning and everyone says... no, they can't actually mean that.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (1Z8zZ)
———
That was the side bar text with a link to an interview with Roseanne Barr.
That’s literally WEF’s platform.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 08, 2023 12:13 PM (L25zR)
1. Who are you quoting? Is that from the book thread?
2. Yeah, this is gonna be another case where the baddies tell everyone - for years - what they're planning and everyone says... no, they can't actually mean that.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (1Z8zZ)
———
That was the side bar text with a link to an interview with Roseanne Barr.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 08, 2023 12:19 PM (L25zR)
53
Gov Bill Lee said that criminal justice reform was monumental. The pile of dead innocent bodies is also a monument, idiot
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 08, 2023 12:19 PM (O8bOp)
54
All planned out purposely...
Dr Jordan B Peterson
@jordanbpeterson
How now
@POTUS
@TheDemocrats
This is on you
You could have brought the Saudis into the Abraham Accord fold
Instead you turned your back
Refusing to credit
@realDonaldTrump
Made obeisance to Iran
And reaped the whirlwind
Dr Jordan B Peterson
@jordanbpeterson
How now
@POTUS
@TheDemocrats
This is on you
You could have brought the Saudis into the Abraham Accord fold
Instead you turned your back
Refusing to credit
@realDonaldTrump
Made obeisance to Iran
And reaped the whirlwind
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:19 PM (TGPs7)
55
Never engage these "people" he should never have gotten into an argument with this guy... Just walk away
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bs+z0)
I agree if you’re not prepared to defend yourself from deadly force. And never ever turn your back on someone .
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bs+z0)
I agree if you’re not prepared to defend yourself from deadly force. And never ever turn your back on someone .
Posted by: Drive By at October 08, 2023 12:20 PM (MNhXM)
56
A mouse can't get across the border without the military knowing, so how did hundreds of Hamas soldiers
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they will get to the bottom of this; investigation is goin on in parallel I imagine
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they will get to the bottom of this; investigation is goin on in parallel I imagine
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:20 PM (V13WU)
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50 Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
Attacked ? There are 600 + dead Israeli's probably more and countless injuries ... That's more than being attacked..
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
Attacked ? There are 600 + dead Israeli's probably more and countless injuries ... That's more than being attacked..
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:20 PM (bs+z0)
58
40 Never engage these "people" he should never have gotten into an argument with this guy... Just walk away
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bs+z0)
I had a trash lady (black) berating me about something or the other. I put up a hand dismissively and started walking away. She said, "DON'T YOU DARE DO THAT! YOU COME BACK RIGHT NOW".
Fuck that woman. Who the f*ck did she think she was? Winnie Mandela?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bs+z0)
I had a trash lady (black) berating me about something or the other. I put up a hand dismissively and started walking away. She said, "DON'T YOU DARE DO THAT! YOU COME BACK RIGHT NOW".
Fuck that woman. Who the f*ck did she think she was? Winnie Mandela?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:20 PM (ynpvh)
59
Some are saying they literally just drove into the country and started attacking civilians.
Unarmed civilians because of Israel's rather strict gun control rules.
HOWEVER that has changed as of today, Directives have been issued to issue those gun permits ASAP
600 dead will tend to do that.
Sigh
Unarmed civilians because of Israel's rather strict gun control rules.
HOWEVER that has changed as of today, Directives have been issued to issue those gun permits ASAP
600 dead will tend to do that.
Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:20 PM (pmmLi)
60
42 27 There is a name for people who make excuses for the mass murder of Jews.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (2tUFv)
Democrats
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bWsRe)
Who defended slavery
Invented Planned Parenthood
Eugenics !!
Human Medical Testing
Jim Crow
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:12 PM (2tUFv)
Democrats
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bWsRe)
Who defended slavery
Invented Planned Parenthood
Eugenics !!
Human Medical Testing
Jim Crow
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2023 12:20 PM (lwOKI)
61
Some are saying they literally just drove into the country and started attacking civilians. That cannot be possible... Did they recently hire some of the capitol security from January 6th or something?
Caroline Glick mentioned that the previous government, I believe it was, started a program where 18,000 Gazans could cross into Israel to work. This is entirely possible.
Caroline Glick mentioned that the previous government, I believe it was, started a program where 18,000 Gazans could cross into Israel to work. This is entirely possible.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:21 PM (1Z8zZ)
62
The MSM deserves to be slaughtered by Palestinian terrorists.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (ynpvh)
===
I don't care who does it, just get it done.
Oh yeah and my gut instinct was right on the POS that murdered the young father.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (ynpvh)
===
I don't care who does it, just get it done.
Oh yeah and my gut instinct was right on the POS that murdered the young father.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 08, 2023 12:21 PM (17s+e)
63
Trey Yingst
@TreyYingst
·
6m
Huge explosions now along the Gaza border near Sderot.
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
28m
Armed Clashes between Palestinians and Jewish Settlers are reportedly occurring in Eastern Jerusalem.
@TreyYingst
·
6m
Huge explosions now along the Gaza border near Sderot.
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
28m
Armed Clashes between Palestinians and Jewish Settlers are reportedly occurring in Eastern Jerusalem.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:21 PM (TGPs7)
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50 Hack CNN Analyst: "Real Problem" Is Israel's Response to Being Attacked
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
Someone needs to punch said "ANALyst in the face and see what their reaction is.
Posted by: thatcrazyguy now with twice the crazy at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (h4nev)
And then say, "Any response you have to that will be 'Troubling'".
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (FVME7)
Someone needs to punch said "ANALyst in the face and see what their reaction is.
Posted by: thatcrazyguy now with twice the crazy at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (h4nev)
And then say, "Any response you have to that will be 'Troubling'".
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (ynpvh)
65
Buffalo's should stay out of London
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (pmmLi)
66
Even in the '73 War, the Israeli government had a few hours notice that the war was about to start.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (2tUFv)
I saw a Netflix show about it. Fictionalized series
. Israeli made and who knows how true it is as these fictionalized stories make up a lot.
But from what it portrayed, there was nothing known ahead of time. The tanks started rolling and the IDF was still in “all is well” mode until things started getting blown up. And even then it took a while to understand the severity of what was happening.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:18 PM (2tUFv)
I saw a Netflix show about it. Fictionalized series
. Israeli made and who knows how true it is as these fictionalized stories make up a lot.
But from what it portrayed, there was nothing known ahead of time. The tanks started rolling and the IDF was still in “all is well” mode until things started getting blown up. And even then it took a while to understand the severity of what was happening.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (bWsRe)
67
Never engage these "people" he should never have gotten into an argument with this guy... Just walk away
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bs+z0)
No doubt.
Everyone is a threat. If you aren't thinking this way, you WILL be a victim, eventually. Especially if you live/work in cities.
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:17 PM (bs+z0)
No doubt.
Everyone is a threat. If you aren't thinking this way, you WILL be a victim, eventually. Especially if you live/work in cities.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (QBaJw)
68
The easiest thing to jack up a felon and put him away is felon in possession of a firearm, yet that always seems to be the first thing that goes away. Now, a law abiding citizen may be subject to a BATF raid because he or she had something perfectly legal last year but has now been deemed evil. (See pistol braces).
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (0EOe9)
69
Internal strife is how they missed it, thousands of military personal protesting the government instead of keeping focus on what is important, US trying to remove Bibi. Iran took notice, and here we are.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:23 PM (V13WU)
70
But from what it portrayed, there was nothing known ahead of time. The tanks started rolling and the IDF was still in “all is well” mode until things started getting blown up. And even then it took a while to understand the severity of what was happening.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (bWsRe)
No they had a few hours warning, but were unsure how to react for fear of US and Europe reaction if they attacked. Much like now, but now NO consideration should be given to foreign reaction. GET the job done is Gaza, clean it out. level it. Worry about the reaction later.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (bWsRe)
No they had a few hours warning, but were unsure how to react for fear of US and Europe reaction if they attacked. Much like now, but now NO consideration should be given to foreign reaction. GET the job done is Gaza, clean it out. level it. Worry about the reaction later.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:24 PM (pmmLi)
71
There can be no other rational reason as to what happened in Israel other than it was done on purpose by the intelligence agencies. What they hoped to accomplish is still up for debate.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 08, 2023 12:24 PM (17s+e)
72
66 arrests and a home invasion. Pfft. I mean it’s not like he paraded in the capitol building. Leave the poor guy alone.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:24 PM (bWsRe)
73
Lee is a total squish. The only reason the state stayed mostly open during Covidmania is he had alpha gov RDS to follow behind.
Posted by: CppThis at October 08, 2023 12:25 PM (PZvjL)
74
Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives
@dom_lucre
13m
🔥🚨DEVELOPING: President Obama responded to the attack on Israel by congratulating a Nobel Peace Prize winner from Iran as they screamed ‘death to Israel and death to America’ this is still his last response.
Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives
@dom_lucre
13m
🔥🚨DEVELOPING: President Obama responded to the attack on Israel by congratulating a Nobel Peace Prize winner from Iran as they screamed ‘death to Israel and death to America’ this is still his last response.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:25 PM (TGPs7)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:25 PM (c/KMW)
76
One of those victims of Gov. Lee’s “innovative and disruptive” de-incarceration efforts was Mr. Wright.
Gov Lee is an idiot.
Legislators in a modern society need to have the courage to jail criminals...some of them for life, or to death. Those that don't need to step aside.
Gov Lee is an idiot.
Legislators in a modern society need to have the courage to jail criminals...some of them for life, or to death. Those that don't need to step aside.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:25 PM (uSHSS)
77
here :
"Elite officers in Israel’s military plan walkout on Sunday in protest of judicial system overhaul..."
"Protests Over Netanyahu’s Judiciary Overhaul Spread to Israel’s Military.."
"Israel’s revered military gets caught up in fight over judicial overhaul.."
this is how it happened
"Elite officers in Israel’s military plan walkout on Sunday in protest of judicial system overhaul..."
"Protests Over Netanyahu’s Judiciary Overhaul Spread to Israel’s Military.."
"Israel’s revered military gets caught up in fight over judicial overhaul.."
this is how it happened
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (V13WU)
78
Kind of comic if you look at it just right.
Shot: Matthew Miller
@StateDeptSpox
Let's be clear: the deal to bring U.S. citizens home from Iran has nothing to do with the horrific attack on Israel. Not a penny has been spent, and when it is, it can only go for humanitarian needs like food and medicine. Anything to the contrary is false.
Chaser: John Ashbrook
@JohnAshbrook
“A Hamas spokesperson told the BBC that the militant group had backing from its ally, Iran, for its surprise attacks on Israel”
Shot: Matthew Miller
@StateDeptSpox
Let's be clear: the deal to bring U.S. citizens home from Iran has nothing to do with the horrific attack on Israel. Not a penny has been spent, and when it is, it can only go for humanitarian needs like food and medicine. Anything to the contrary is false.
Chaser: John Ashbrook
@JohnAshbrook
“A Hamas spokesperson told the BBC that the militant group had backing from its ally, Iran, for its surprise attacks on Israel”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (FVME7)
79
It came from within.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (V13WU)
80
Internal strife is how they missed it, thousands of military personal protesting the government instead of keeping focus on what is important, US trying to remove Bibi. Iran took notice, and here we are.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:23 PM (V13WU)
Yup, that played a part in it. Also the violence on the west bank and the shifting of units from the Gaza Border to the West Bank. And a monumental intel failure. And years of pussy footing around instead of getting the job done.
Remember the saying " Pay me now, Or Pay me later"
Well Later has submitted it's bill
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:23 PM (V13WU)
Yup, that played a part in it. Also the violence on the west bank and the shifting of units from the Gaza Border to the West Bank. And a monumental intel failure. And years of pussy footing around instead of getting the job done.
Remember the saying " Pay me now, Or Pay me later"
Well Later has submitted it's bill
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (pmmLi)
81
With help from Biden's administration of course...
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (V13WU)
82
It is no surprise that the worm tongue FNM who argue that restricting late term abortions is committing evil again women are also cheering and excusing the Hama terrorists. Depressing, but not surprising.
I wonder if Lee is associated with WEF et al? Making people feel unsafe so that they cheer for more government intrusion into everyone's lives is an old ploy; but most folks are too mis-educated to know that.
I wonder if Lee is associated with WEF et al? Making people feel unsafe so that they cheer for more government intrusion into everyone's lives is an old ploy; but most folks are too mis-educated to know that.
Posted by: PaleRider at October 08, 2023 12:27 PM (3cGpq)
83
You know, some out there might construe 66 arrests to be something of a warning,
These politicians who have a dim view of the role of government are why people can and should always be armed.
These politicians who have a dim view of the role of government are why people can and should always be armed.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 08, 2023 12:27 PM (8sMut)
84
It would be sweet if AOC and friends had a Caterpillar in the future. One St Pancake is not enough.
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at October 08, 2023 12:27 PM (HfNu5)
85
U.S. Secretary of State, Antony Blinken had Confirmed that Americans have been Killed by Hamas Attacks in Israel over the last 48 Hours and that there are still a number of Americans who are Missing that were possibly Kidnapped by Terrorist into the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
I can see where this is going. Israel is going to bomb the areas, pictures of the American's bodies shot to death and laying on top of the rubble will be published, and our government and media will use this to say Israel is going too far and that they killed the Americans.
There's never been a staged photo by these terrorist that our leftist haven't twisted themselves into knots trying to believe.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:09 PM (FVME7)
I can see where this is going. Israel is going to bomb the areas, pictures of the American's bodies shot to death and laying on top of the rubble will be published, and our government and media will use this to say Israel is going too far and that they killed the Americans.
There's never been a staged photo by these terrorist that our leftist haven't twisted themselves into knots trying to believe.
Posted by: Rbastid at October 08, 2023 12:27 PM (6FVPC)
86
These assholes think you’re too stupid to understand the concept of fungible money.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (bWsRe)
87
Let's be clear: the deal to bring U.S. citizens home from Iran has nothing to do with the horrific attack on Israel. Not a penny has been spent, and when it is, it can only go for humanitarian needs like food and medicine. Anything to the contrary is false
Sure... Let's say it's true... Iran has that money in the "bank" which frees up other monies to buy arms
Sure... Let's say it's true... Iran has that money in the "bank" which frees up other monies to buy arms
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (bs+z0)
88
78 Kind of comic if you look at it just right.
Shot: Matthew Miller
@StateDeptSpox
Let's be clear: the deal to bring U.S. citizens home from Iran has nothing to do with the horrific attack on Israel. Not a penny has been spent, and when it is, it can only go for humanitarian needs like food and medicine. Anything to the contrary is false.
Chaser: John Ashbrook
@JohnAshbrook
“A Hamas spokesperson told the BBC that the militant group had backing from its ally, Iran, for its surprise attacks on Israel”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (FVME7)
Yeah, I'm sure we monitored every penny we gave to IRAN after they received it.
Look America! We boughtmunitions baby bottles and spend the money helping terrorists victims of global warming.
Shot: Matthew Miller
@StateDeptSpox
Let's be clear: the deal to bring U.S. citizens home from Iran has nothing to do with the horrific attack on Israel. Not a penny has been spent, and when it is, it can only go for humanitarian needs like food and medicine. Anything to the contrary is false.
Chaser: John Ashbrook
@JohnAshbrook
“A Hamas spokesperson told the BBC that the militant group had backing from its ally, Iran, for its surprise attacks on Israel”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (FVME7)
Yeah, I'm sure we monitored every penny we gave to IRAN after they received it.
Look America! We bought
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (ynpvh)
89
Sounds like Bibi needs to start shooting officers who put politics over duty.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (c/KMW)
90
With regards to the charged with / convicted of issue which is at least tangentially associated with the actual content of the post... I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that any prosecutor with a conviction rate greater than 75% should probably be run out of town on a rail.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (1Z8zZ)
91
The easiest thing to jack up a felon and put him away is felon in possession of a firearm, yet that always seems to be the first thing that goes away. Now, a law abiding citizen may be subject to a BATF raid because he or she had something perfectly legal last year but has now been deemed evil. (See pistol braces).
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (0EOe9)
I'm curious how this gets handled in cop shops. You're out on the street, you encounter a perp, you survey the situation and make your arrest. You file your paperwork, listing all the offenses you observed.
Then weeks later, the same perp is on the street, and your computer shows he was finally convicted of a misdemeanor garbage offense of loitering or something.
I would imagine this sort of thing reduced the effectiveness of policing, even among those who conscientiously try to do their jobs.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (0EOe9)
I'm curious how this gets handled in cop shops. You're out on the street, you encounter a perp, you survey the situation and make your arrest. You file your paperwork, listing all the offenses you observed.
Then weeks later, the same perp is on the street, and your computer shows he was finally convicted of a misdemeanor garbage offense of loitering or something.
I would imagine this sort of thing reduced the effectiveness of policing, even among those who conscientiously try to do their jobs.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (QBaJw)
92
....Well Later has submitted it's bill
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (pmmLi)
yeah. they really need to take it to the end otherwise it will not stop; Jews have not seen footage like they've seen over the weekend, since Nazi archives were opened up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (pmmLi)
yeah. they really need to take it to the end otherwise it will not stop; Jews have not seen footage like they've seen over the weekend, since Nazi archives were opened up
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (V13WU)
93
All these "Trades" for hostages both from Israel and the USA have laid the ground for the fiasco we now face.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (pmmLi)
94
84 It would be sweet if AOC and friends had a Caterpillar in the future. One St Pancake is not enough.
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at October 08, 2023 12:27 PM (HfNu5)
You want the full stack?
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at October 08, 2023 12:27 PM (HfNu5)
You want the full stack?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (ynpvh)
95
Libs Fails
@LibsFails
NEW: Hamas footage of the SUICIDE DRONE that has entered service.
The drones are expected to be used on Israeli troops when they least expect it.
The blast radius of these drones have the ability to kill multiple Israel soldiers at once. Truly horrifying.
https://tinyurl.com/bdz459bb
@LibsFails
NEW: Hamas footage of the SUICIDE DRONE that has entered service.
The drones are expected to be used on Israeli troops when they least expect it.
The blast radius of these drones have the ability to kill multiple Israel soldiers at once. Truly horrifying.
https://tinyurl.com/bdz459bb
Posted by: redridinghood at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (NpAcC)
96
If nothing else I keep getting on Marxism is their theory goes people are not responsible for their actions. If they were given life wages none would need to rob and kill.
It's a BS of course.
It's a BS of course.
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (fwDg9)
97
A fun fact from 50 years ago (getting old). I was standing duty nco on the evening in October, 24th IIRC, when the phone rang and woke me up (it was a sleeping post). Message center had a hot one. DEFCON message, raising it to D3 from D5. Doesn't sound like much but it sure got a lot of attention. After calling the Adjutant in his quarters, I had plenty of company. Put on a fresh pot of coffee.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (0EOe9)
98
But from what it portrayed, there was nothing known ahead of time. The tanks started rolling and the IDF was still in “all is well” mode until things started getting blown up. And even then it took a while to understand the severity of what was happening.
The head of Israeli military intelligence was convinced that the Arabs weren't going to war, and blocked any indications that war might be imminent from going to the politicians.
The day of the war (which started in the afternoon), the political leadership received an unambiguous report from a highly trusted agent that war was going to start that day.
The Israeli war cabinet considered launching a preemptive air strike, but decided that the international political cost of preempting was not worth it.
The head of Israeli military intelligence was convinced that the Arabs weren't going to war, and blocked any indications that war might be imminent from going to the politicians.
The day of the war (which started in the afternoon), the political leadership received an unambiguous report from a highly trusted agent that war was going to start that day.
The Israeli war cabinet considered launching a preemptive air strike, but decided that the international political cost of preempting was not worth it.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (2tUFv)
99
Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Israel shouldn’t have supported Azerbaijan’s ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians
Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Israel shouldn’t have supported Azerbaijan’s ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (TGPs7)
100
“A Hamas spokesperson told the BBC that the militant group had backing from its ally, Iran, for its surprise attacks on Israel”
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No, no, Hamas spokesman is wrong ! Just listen to Blinken !
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No, no, Hamas spokesman is wrong ! Just listen to Blinken !
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (V13WU)
101
Where is Green Helmet Guy and his teddy bear?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:30 PM (c/KMW)
102
95 Libs Fails
@LibsFails
NEW: Hamas footage of the SUICIDE DRONE that has entered service.
The drones are expected to be used on Israeli troops when they least expect it.
The blast radius of these drones have the ability to kill multiple Israel soldiers at once. Truly horrifying.
https://tinyurl.com/bdz459bb
Posted by: redridinghood at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (NpAcC)
I'd like to see some "work accidents".
@LibsFails
NEW: Hamas footage of the SUICIDE DRONE that has entered service.
The drones are expected to be used on Israeli troops when they least expect it.
The blast radius of these drones have the ability to kill multiple Israel soldiers at once. Truly horrifying.
https://tinyurl.com/bdz459bb
Posted by: redridinghood at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (NpAcC)
I'd like to see some "work accidents".
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:31 PM (ynpvh)
103
Sounds like Bibi needs to start shooting officers who put politics over duty.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (c/KMW)
Well Netanyahu ultimately is responsible for this and for the last 16 years of neglect. He is finished after this, so now he might as well do the right thing and level Gaza
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (c/KMW)
Well Netanyahu ultimately is responsible for this and for the last 16 years of neglect. He is finished after this, so now he might as well do the right thing and level Gaza
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:31 PM (pmmLi)
104
97 A fun fact from 50 years ago (getting old). I was standing duty nco on the evening in October, 24th IIRC, when the phone rang and woke me up (it was a sleeping post). Message center had a hot one. DEFCON message, raising it to D3 from D5. Doesn't sound like much but it sure got a lot of attention. After calling the Adjutant in his quarters, I had plenty of company. Put on a fresh pot of coffee.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (0EOe9)
Nixon putting the military on worldwide alert to let the Soviets know not to get any ideas after the Yom Kippur War.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (0EOe9)
Nixon putting the military on worldwide alert to let the Soviets know not to get any ideas after the Yom Kippur War.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 08, 2023 12:31 PM (8sMut)
105
good thing Iran does not yet have the bomb in spite of Obama's efforts
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:32 PM (V13WU)
106
Legislators in a modern society need to have the courage to jail criminals...some of them for life, or to death. Those that don't need to step aside.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:25 PM (uSHSS)
And when the average citizen gets tired of it, carries a weapon, and gets into a confrontation in public (or even inside their own homes), the risk of being charged and convicted of a gun crime are high enough that many people are unwilling to risk it.
This is how you destroy a society, your government won't protect you, and you are not allowed to protect yourself.
This isn't unintentional.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:25 PM (uSHSS)
And when the average citizen gets tired of it, carries a weapon, and gets into a confrontation in public (or even inside their own homes), the risk of being charged and convicted of a gun crime are high enough that many people are unwilling to risk it.
This is how you destroy a society, your government won't protect you, and you are not allowed to protect yourself.
This isn't unintentional.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:32 PM (QBaJw)
107
IDF brass is woke/left like here? Pieces are starting to fit together.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (bWsRe)
108
I bet a bunch of the weaponries' we left in A-Stan is being used along with stuff we gave to Ukraine that found its way on the black market
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (bs+z0)
109
105 good thing Iran does not yet have the bomb in spite of Obama's efforts
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:32 PM (V13WU)
We really don't know that for sure, do we?
I mean, Israel has done much to slow down their goal, but from my understanding, Iran has put its nuclear eggs in more than one basket.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:32 PM (V13WU)
We really don't know that for sure, do we?
I mean, Israel has done much to slow down their goal, but from my understanding, Iran has put its nuclear eggs in more than one basket.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (c/KMW)
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IDF brass is woke/left like here? Pieces are starting to fit together.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (bWsRe)
Not as bad as here in America from what I can tell, but somewhat
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (bWsRe)
Not as bad as here in America from what I can tell, but somewhat
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (pmmLi)
112
Times Square in NYC at about one o'clock should be as fun as a barrel full of monkeys. The Democratic Socialists of America are having a pro Palestine rally. The NY POST had an editorial this AM asking for counter protesters. The Dem Soc will probably attract all the Hitler youth, Jamaal, most of NYC council, maybe AOC.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 08, 2023 12:34 PM (O8bOp)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (c/KMW)
114
56 A mouse can't get across the border without the military knowing, so how did hundreds of Hamas soldiers
some motorized hangliders; in one instance on video, a bulldozer allowed to come up to a weak, temporary border wall, which then knocked a hole through it and allowed dozens of armed men on motorcycles through.
some motorized hangliders; in one instance on video, a bulldozer allowed to come up to a weak, temporary border wall, which then knocked a hole through it and allowed dozens of armed men on motorcycles through.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (S6gqv)
115
It's not going to be easy but anything in the air over gaza must be shot down
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (pmmLi)
116
The easiest thing to jack up a felon and put him away is felon in possession of a firearm, yet that always seems to be the first thing that goes away.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (0EOe9)
That's why the lefties (and libertarians) always screaming about "they're just arrested for having a joint" know they're full of shit when they're taking. Generally they have a joint, and a gun, but the prosecutors always let them escape the gun charge if they plead guilty to the drugs, knowing they can give them a lower sentence and it'll allow them to get out of jail quickly.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:22 PM (0EOe9)
That's why the lefties (and libertarians) always screaming about "they're just arrested for having a joint" know they're full of shit when they're taking. Generally they have a joint, and a gun, but the prosecutors always let them escape the gun charge if they plead guilty to the drugs, knowing they can give them a lower sentence and it'll allow them to get out of jail quickly.
Posted by: Rbastid at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (6FVPC)
117
Where is Green Helmet Guy and his teddy bear?
Posted by: Anna Puma
==
I asked that yesterday. Soon come, soon come to every "news" report.
Posted by: Anna Puma
==
I asked that yesterday. Soon come, soon come to every "news" report.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (17s+e)
118
All these "Trades" for hostages both from Israel and the USA have laid the ground for the fiasco we now face.
As has been noted, Hezbollah was seizing foreign diplomats in Beirut as hostages in the mid-1980s. It worked so well that they seized four Soviet diplomats in 1986, one of whom was killed.
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
As has been noted, Hezbollah was seizing foreign diplomats in Beirut as hostages in the mid-1980s. It worked so well that they seized four Soviet diplomats in 1986, one of whom was killed.
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
119
Or remove them in a more permanent fashion. We don't try to save rabid animals and this isn't any different.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2023 12:03 PM (QToQ1)
At some point, career criminals need to be simply put to death for their annoyance factor alone.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 08, 2023 12:03 PM (QToQ1)
At some point, career criminals need to be simply put to death for their annoyance factor alone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (HZA8l)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (V8he0)
121
What do you mean by neglect? As in shooting the vermin?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (c/KMW)
What did i say? In reference to what?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (c/KMW)
What did i say? In reference to what?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (pmmLi)
122
This is what happens in a mostly unarmed populace.. They were picked off like sitting ducks... A lesson there
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (bs+z0)
123
The 16 years of meglect
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (c/KMW)
124
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
Yup
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
Yup
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (pmmLi)
125
We really don't know that for sure, do we?
I mean, Israel has done much to slow down their goal, but from my understanding, Iran has put its nuclear eggs in more than one basket.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (ynpvh)
If Iran has a nuke, we're going to find out a few hours after the invasion of Gaza starts. Because it will be used. I'm praying that Hamas struck too early, and that Iran isn't ready for that yet.
I mean, Israel has done much to slow down their goal, but from my understanding, Iran has put its nuclear eggs in more than one basket.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (ynpvh)
If Iran has a nuke, we're going to find out a few hours after the invasion of Gaza starts. Because it will be used. I'm praying that Hamas struck too early, and that Iran isn't ready for that yet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (S6gqv)
126
So why was a man like Darryl Roberts out on the streets? Maybe it’s because the Governor of Tennessee wants people like him out on the streets.
Eggs. Omelettes.
Eggs. Omelettes.
Posted by: Stalin at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (sTI8v)
127
The Democratic Socialists respond!
NYC-DSA 🌹
@nycDSA
🗣️🗣️🗣️ Tomorrow, October 8, at 1PM. Times Square.
In solidarity with the Palestinian people and their right to resist 75 years of occupation and apartheid.
-
Democratic Socialists, National Socialists, pretty much the same thing.
NYC-DSA 🌹
@nycDSA
🗣️🗣️🗣️ Tomorrow, October 8, at 1PM. Times Square.
In solidarity with the Palestinian people and their right to resist 75 years of occupation and apartheid.
-
Democratic Socialists, National Socialists, pretty much the same thing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (FVME7)
128
104 I was in S2, and things were a hell of a lot more serious than that bump would indicate. Found out SAC went nuts, Fleet went nuts, and it was one nervous trigger finger away from the big one.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (0EOe9)
129
118 All these "Trades" for hostages both from Israel and the USA have laid the ground for the fiasco we now face.
As has been noted, Hezbollah was seizing foreign diplomats in Beirut as hostages in the mid-1980s. It worked so well that they seized four Soviet diplomats in 1986, one of whom was killed.
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
That's because the Soviets spoke a language the terrorists understood.
As has been noted, Hezbollah was seizing foreign diplomats in Beirut as hostages in the mid-1980s. It worked so well that they seized four Soviet diplomats in 1986, one of whom was killed.
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
That's because the Soviets spoke a language the terrorists understood.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (ynpvh)
130
Errr.
Neglect
Neglect
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (c/KMW)
131
How did he manage to not get shot "accidentally" over 66 arrests?
Posted by: DaveA at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (FhXTo)
132
tens of thousands protesting, "spontaneous"! blue revolution , doncha know..
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (V13WU)
133
Libs Fails
@LibsFails
NEW: Hamas footage of the SUICIDE DRONE that has entered service.
Drone warfare has changed the face of war. As mentioned last night, the company that can come up with an effective counter-drone technology will make millions.
@LibsFails
NEW: Hamas footage of the SUICIDE DRONE that has entered service.
Drone warfare has changed the face of war. As mentioned last night, the company that can come up with an effective counter-drone technology will make millions.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (uSHSS)
134
As has been noted, Hezbollah was seizing foreign diplomats in Beirut as hostages in the mid-1980s. It worked so well that they seized four Soviet diplomats in 1986, one of whom was killed.
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
==
That is how you handle terrorism. Also another Soviet diplomat was ever kidnapped.
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
==
That is how you handle terrorism. Also another Soviet diplomat was ever kidnapped.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 08, 2023 12:38 PM (17s+e)
135
The 16 years of meglect
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (c/KMW)
Netanyahu has been the PM for the better part of those 16 years and over and over again failed to control Hamas. Bombed empty buildings and or folded to international pressure to cease operations. Never really made hamas suffer. Degraded Israel's deterences. Look, he was in charge for these years. He should look in the mirror
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (c/KMW)
Netanyahu has been the PM for the better part of those 16 years and over and over again failed to control Hamas. Bombed empty buildings and or folded to international pressure to cease operations. Never really made hamas suffer. Degraded Israel's deterences. Look, he was in charge for these years. He should look in the mirror
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:38 PM (pmmLi)
136
What is Egypt doing since Gaza has a border with them,
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (c/KMW)
137
The entire Biden administration are idiots. They all should be impeached
RNC Research
@RNCResearch
"What do you say about the argument that money is fungible — so Iran may have known this money is coming and used other funds to help fund this attack?"
Secretary of State Antony Blinken: "Iran has unfortunately always used and focused its funds on supporting terrorism"
https://tinyurl.com/v5n78n97
RNC Research
@RNCResearch
"What do you say about the argument that money is fungible — so Iran may have known this money is coming and used other funds to help fund this attack?"
Secretary of State Antony Blinken: "Iran has unfortunately always used and focused its funds on supporting terrorism"
https://tinyurl.com/v5n78n97
Posted by: redridinghood at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (NpAcC)
138
Let me guess…TooTall is Oriental?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (R/m4+)
139
125 We really don't know that for sure, do we?
I mean, Israel has done much to slow down their goal, but from my understanding, Iran has put its nuclear eggs in more than one basket.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (ynpvh)
If Iran has a nuke, we're going to find out a few hours after the invasion of Gaza starts. Because it will be used. I'm praying that Hamas struck too early, and that Iran isn't ready for that yet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (S6gqv)
They'd have to sneak it into a major city, like Tel Aviv. Can't lob missles with nukes at Israel, as too risky they'd lose the nuke ineffectually.
I mean, Israel has done much to slow down their goal, but from my understanding, Iran has put its nuclear eggs in more than one basket.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:33 PM (ynpvh)
If Iran has a nuke, we're going to find out a few hours after the invasion of Gaza starts. Because it will be used. I'm praying that Hamas struck too early, and that Iran isn't ready for that yet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:36 PM (S6gqv)
They'd have to sneak it into a major city, like Tel Aviv. Can't lob missles with nukes at Israel, as too risky they'd lose the nuke ineffectually.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (ynpvh)
140
Wasn't Trump in to de-incarceration as well?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
He apparently was into all the bad things. All of them. Every single one. Happy?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
He apparently was into all the bad things. All of them. Every single one. Happy?
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (xhaym)
141
remember when Israel, under Bibi, wanted to strike Iran, and Obama warned them ?? I do.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (V13WU)
142
Picture just saw somewhere looks like a group of Muslim soldiers all with new shiny American carbines
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (fwDg9)
143
What is Egypt doing since Gaza has a border with them,
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (c/KMW)
Watching and eating some falafel and sipping the egyptian beer that tastes like piss
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (c/KMW)
Watching and eating some falafel and sipping the egyptian beer that tastes like piss
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (pmmLi)
144
These assholes think you’re too stupid to understand the concept of fungible money.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (bWsRe)
In fairness, their voters are Democrats so that's not a big stretch.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (bWsRe)
In fairness, their voters are Democrats so that's not a big stretch.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (1Z8zZ)
145
And their right to resist 75 years of occupation and apartheid
**********
What say they, being the enlightened intersectional feminists they are, about Hamas raping and brutalizing women before the cameras and acting like they won the Super Bowl?
**********
What say they, being the enlightened intersectional feminists they are, about Hamas raping and brutalizing women before the cameras and acting like they won the Super Bowl?
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (VTu1l)
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I was in S2, and things were a hell of a lot more serious than that bump would indicate. Found out SAC went nuts, Fleet went nuts, and it was one nervous trigger finger away from the big one.
The Soviets were about to ship paratroopers to the Middle East (they were already sitting in their planes on the ground in Hungary).
Nixon called the nuclear alert to indicate to the Soviets that shipping Soviet paras to the Middle East was a Bad Idea.
They backed down.
The Soviets were about to ship paratroopers to the Middle East (they were already sitting in their planes on the ground in Hungary).
Nixon called the nuclear alert to indicate to the Soviets that shipping Soviet paras to the Middle East was a Bad Idea.
They backed down.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (2tUFv)
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Kind of comic if you look at it just right.
Shot: Matthew Miller
@StateDeptSpox
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (FVME7)
Imagine you're a parent, and you give your kid allowance money, and say "now, only buy a movie ticket and some snacks with that money, don't you dare go buy pot and cherry bombs."
If you're even remotely tuned in to your kid, you have a pretty good idea whether they used that money for pot and cherry bombs or not. Pretending you KNOW they didn't... makes you complicit in the purchase of pot and cherry bombs.
Shot: Matthew Miller
@StateDeptSpox
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (FVME7)
Imagine you're a parent, and you give your kid allowance money, and say "now, only buy a movie ticket and some snacks with that money, don't you dare go buy pot and cherry bombs."
If you're even remotely tuned in to your kid, you have a pretty good idea whether they used that money for pot and cherry bombs or not. Pretending you KNOW they didn't... makes you complicit in the purchase of pot and cherry bombs.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (QBaJw)
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142 Picture just saw somewhere looks like a group of Muslim soldiers all with new shiny American carbines
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (fwDg9)
Probably from the weapons we shipped into Libya.
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (fwDg9)
Probably from the weapons we shipped into Libya.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (ynpvh)
149
@136 Anna puma , an Egyptian police officer killed 2 Israeli tourists and another Egyptian. The whole Middle East is on the edge
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (O8bOp)
150
I should say the obama administration, since there was a nice little coven there.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (V13WU)
151
remember when Israel, under Bibi, wanted to strike Iran, and Obama warned them ?? I do.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (V13WU)
Remember when Begin didn't care and did what was right?
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (V13WU)
Remember when Begin didn't care and did what was right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (pmmLi)
152
What is Egypt doing since Gaza has a border with them,
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (c/KMW)
Watching and eating some falafel and sipping the egyptian beer that tastes like piss
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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They have Transhauser Buttwiper products in Egypt?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (c/KMW)
Watching and eating some falafel and sipping the egyptian beer that tastes like piss
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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They have Transhauser Buttwiper products in Egypt?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (17s+e)
153
Sounds like Bibi needs to start shooting officers who put politics over duty.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (c/KMW)
Absolutely not. Now, if they were in a quarry with the relatives of people killed in this attack and emotions ran high... nothing he could do.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (c/KMW)
Absolutely not. Now, if they were in a quarry with the relatives of people killed in this attack and emotions ran high... nothing he could do.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:42 PM (1Z8zZ)
154
The new weapons came from Afghanistan via Iran.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:42 PM (c/KMW)
155
You know they wouldnt have pulled this shit with Trump
They thought he would have nuked the moon if it annoyed him
They thought he would have nuked the moon if it annoyed him
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 08, 2023 12:42 PM (VTu1l)
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Nixon putting the military on worldwide alert to let the Soviets know not to get any ideas after the Yom Kippur War.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 08, 2023 12:31 PM (8sMut)
In part because advanced elements of a couple Russian airborne divisions were seen in Syria.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 08, 2023 12:31 PM (8sMut)
In part because advanced elements of a couple Russian airborne divisions were seen in Syria.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:42 PM (uSHSS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (pmmLi)
158
Remember when Begin didn't care and did what was right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (pmmLi)
he warned the Iranians, loss of strategic surprise
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (pmmLi)
he warned the Iranians, loss of strategic surprise
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (V13WU)
159
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
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Some language is universal and no translation is necessary. The Israelis need to send the same message.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
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Some language is universal and no translation is necessary. The Israelis need to send the same message.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (BpYfr)
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I've no experience with criminals or terrorists. But if I were in charge criminal reform would mean "You don't sit on your ass in prison, you are on a chain gang unless you demonstrate you are learning an employment skill" and "we don't negotiate with terrorists" would be re-instated as policy.
Posted by: PaleRider at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (3cGpq)
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Egypt despises the Palestinians, and the border is tightly sealed. They see them as the same as the Muslim Brotherhood, which they destroyed. They aren't going to invade Gaza on Israel's behalf, though.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (S6gqv)
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Best if US does not get involved at this time. Israel can handle it, I think.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (V13WU)
163
I would imagine this sort of thing reduced the effectiveness of policing, even among those who conscientiously try to do their jobs.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (QBaJw)
I'm not trying to talk shit about any police but... if your concern were policing and not your pension, you'd move to some place that took the matter seriously.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (QBaJw)
I'm not trying to talk shit about any police but... if your concern were policing and not your pension, you'd move to some place that took the matter seriously.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (1Z8zZ)
164
A KGB team flew into Beirut, seized the relative of a top Hezbollah commander, castrated him, and shipped his balls to the commander. They then shot the relative, and shipped his body to the commander.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
Next week, Canada will bring in that commander to honor him for fighting against the Russians.
The commander was informed that the same thing would happen to all of his other male relatives if the diplomats were not released.
They were released.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 08, 2023 12:35 PM (2tUFv)
Next week, Canada will bring in that commander to honor him for fighting against the Russians.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (QBaJw)
165
Remember when Begin didn't care and did what was right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (pmmLi)
he warned the Iranians, loss of strategic surprise
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (V13WU)
?? I am talking about Iraq's nuclear reactor
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:41 PM (pmmLi)
he warned the Iranians, loss of strategic surprise
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (V13WU)
?? I am talking about Iraq's nuclear reactor
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (pmmLi)
166
Well Netanyahu ultimately is responsible for this and for the last 16 years of neglect. He is finished after this, so now he might as well do the right thing and level Gaza
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:31 PM (pmmLi)
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What, because he was making a political move to reform a really bizarre court system there? Because like every other PM he couldn't deal with the Palestinians, without the supposed modern world suggesting they just live with the barbarism next to them and accept it?
He very well may be finished. If he has to take the hit for a series of hamstrung PMs, so be it. Might as well eliminate the issue for the next PM.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:31 PM (pmmLi)
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What, because he was making a political move to reform a really bizarre court system there? Because like every other PM he couldn't deal with the Palestinians, without the supposed modern world suggesting they just live with the barbarism next to them and accept it?
He very well may be finished. If he has to take the hit for a series of hamstrung PMs, so be it. Might as well eliminate the issue for the next PM.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (UVyKP)
167
Two carriers tied in the Med. So who's left for the Western Pacific?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (c/KMW)
168
As crazy as the “intelligence allowed it to happen” theory is, it’s almost the most logical one. This wasn’t some lone wolf who slipped through the cracks. It’s unfathomable how it went unnoticed.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:45 PM (bWsRe)
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Any Israeli officer who puts politics over Israel is an idiot. Everything in Israel is safety. Those officers should be assigned to knock on doors and lead the troops in , repeatedly.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 08, 2023 12:45 PM (O8bOp)
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Best if US does not get involved at this time. Israel can handle it, I think.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (V13WU)
Yes all Israel might need is some resupply, some of which is already in Israel in depots. Unfortunately less than before we started shipping much of it to Ukraine
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (V13WU)
Yes all Israel might need is some resupply, some of which is already in Israel in depots. Unfortunately less than before we started shipping much of it to Ukraine
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:45 PM (pmmLi)
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I've no experience with criminals or terrorists. But if I were in charge criminal reform would mean "You don't sit on your ass in prison, you are on a chain gang unless you demonstrate you are learning an employment skill" and "we don't negotiate with terrorists" would be re-instated as policy.
Posted by: PaleRider
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio knew how to run a jail/prison. His recidivism was very low. Only negotiations with terrorists is like the above Soviet negotiations.
Posted by: PaleRider
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio knew how to run a jail/prison. His recidivism was very low. Only negotiations with terrorists is like the above Soviet negotiations.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 08, 2023 12:46 PM (17s+e)
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Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Israel shouldn’t have supported Azerbaijan’s ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (TGPs7)
Did they?
@JackPosobiec
Israel shouldn’t have supported Azerbaijan’s ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (TGPs7)
Did they?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:46 PM (1Z8zZ)
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He very well may be finished. If he has to take the hit for a series of hamstrung PMs, so be it. Might as well eliminate the issue for the next PM.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (UVyKP)
It depends on the response; Americans didn't toss out FDR because the US Navy bungled the Pearl Harbor attack.
He very well may be finished. If he has to take the hit for a series of hamstrung PMs, so be it. Might as well eliminate the issue for the next PM.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (UVyKP)
It depends on the response; Americans didn't toss out FDR because the US Navy bungled the Pearl Harbor attack.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:46 PM (S6gqv)
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Israel: 250 dead, 900 injured. Gaza: 232 dead, 1790 injured. They will only have peace when both sides want peace. It may never happen.
Palestinians have been offered peace deals repeatedly. They have been turning them down since the 1930s.
The same sort of peace that was offered to the American Indians. If Israel was serious, they would stop Fundamentalist Israelis from poaching more land in the West Bank. I see Israel acting out of revenge more than justice.
Nope. President Arafat ACCEPTED President Clinton's 2000 Camp David Accords. It was Prime Minister Ehud Barak that originally agreed, but REFUSED to sign.
Sounds like time to call a truce. They each got their pound of flesh. What more do they want?
i think this will be the end of hamas. israel is going to wipe them from the face of the earth. after munich in 1972 israel spent years hunting down and killing everyone involved in the massacre
This isn’t a business where you can lock up the Board of Directors. Eliminate the leadership of Hamas and adherents will form a new one.
Palestinians have been offered peace deals repeatedly. They have been turning them down since the 1930s.
The same sort of peace that was offered to the American Indians. If Israel was serious, they would stop Fundamentalist Israelis from poaching more land in the West Bank. I see Israel acting out of revenge more than justice.
Nope. President Arafat ACCEPTED President Clinton's 2000 Camp David Accords. It was Prime Minister Ehud Barak that originally agreed, but REFUSED to sign.
Sounds like time to call a truce. They each got their pound of flesh. What more do they want?
i think this will be the end of hamas. israel is going to wipe them from the face of the earth. after munich in 1972 israel spent years hunting down and killing everyone involved in the massacre
This isn’t a business where you can lock up the Board of Directors. Eliminate the leadership of Hamas and adherents will form a new one.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 08, 2023 12:46 PM (NCgXW)
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?? I am talking about Iraq's nuclear reactor
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (pmmLi)
and I about loss of strategic surprise that Israel had before Obama told the mullahs about the operation; if Israelis went ahead, they would have lost their best pilots and not achieved the objective. Don't think Reagan warned Hussein of impending attack.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (pmmLi)
and I about loss of strategic surprise that Israel had before Obama told the mullahs about the operation; if Israelis went ahead, they would have lost their best pilots and not achieved the objective. Don't think Reagan warned Hussein of impending attack.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (V13WU)
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Yes all Israel might need is some resupply, some of which is already in Israel in depots. Unfortunately less than before we started shipping much of it to Ukraine
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Funny how these two things come up after Iran has infiltrated (by invitation I am sure) the Biden junta.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Funny how these two things come up after Iran has infiltrated (by invitation I am sure) the Biden junta.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (17s+e)
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What, because he was making a political move to reform a really bizarre court system there? Because like every other PM he couldn't deal with the Palestinians, without the supposed modern world suggesting they just live with the barbarism next to them and accept it?
He very well may be finished. If he has to take the hit for a series of hamstrung PMs, so be it. Might as well eliminate the issue for the next PM.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (UVyKP)
I don't think you are following what I am saying. He was PM for the much of the last 16 years during most of the Gaza crisises and did not get the job done. What I said has NOTHING to do with the recent legal issues
He very well may be finished. If he has to take the hit for a series of hamstrung PMs, so be it. Might as well eliminate the issue for the next PM.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 12:44 PM (UVyKP)
I don't think you are following what I am saying. He was PM for the much of the last 16 years during most of the Gaza crisises and did not get the job done. What I said has NOTHING to do with the recent legal issues
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (pmmLi)
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JackPosobiec
Israel shouldn’t have supported Azerbaijan’s ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (TGPs7)
Did they?
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no; whoever that person is, he is a liar
Israel shouldn’t have supported Azerbaijan’s ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (TGPs7)
Did they?
==
no; whoever that person is, he is a liar
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (V13WU)
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Imagine you're a parent, and you give your kid allowance money, and say "now, only buy a movie ticket and some snacks with that money, don't you dare go buy pot and cherry bombs."
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Meanwhile, real life continues. My 12 year old grandson got busted at school with several other boys for smoking in the boys' room. I blame Brownsville Station. (Actually, it was vaping in the boys' room because this is the 21st century.)
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Meanwhile, real life continues. My 12 year old grandson got busted at school with several other boys for smoking in the boys' room. I blame Brownsville Station. (Actually, it was vaping in the boys' room because this is the 21st century.)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (FVME7)
180
Those calling for a truce need to book a flight to Gaza.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:48 PM (c/KMW)
181
Wait what? There is someone at DU NOT calling for more Israeli deaths?
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (bWsRe)
182
I can see where this is going. Israel is going to bomb the areas, pictures of the American's bodies shot to death and laying on top of the rubble will be published, and our government and media will use this to say Israel is going too far and that they killed the Americans.
There's never been a staged photo by these terrorist that our leftist haven't twisted themselves into knots trying to believe.
Posted by: Rbastid at October 08, 2023 12:27 PM (6FVPC)
Simple. Use nuclear bombs. Won't be any bodies for the palis to display.
There's never been a staged photo by these terrorist that our leftist haven't twisted themselves into knots trying to believe.
Posted by: Rbastid at October 08, 2023 12:27 PM (6FVPC)
Simple. Use nuclear bombs. Won't be any bodies for the palis to display.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (TEmDo)
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181 Wait what? There is someone at DU NOT calling for more Israeli deaths?
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (bWsRe)
I was shocked too
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (bWsRe)
I was shocked too
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (bs+z0)
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Probably from the weapons we shipped into Libya.
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Or, a little spillage in the flood of weapons into Ukraine. Or, the spoils of the 'Stan surrender via Bagram. Or a combination of all the above.
You knew that shit would turn up. Just like Holder's gun op.
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Or, a little spillage in the flood of weapons into Ukraine. Or, the spoils of the 'Stan surrender via Bagram. Or a combination of all the above.
You knew that shit would turn up. Just like Holder's gun op.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (7Fj9P)
185
My outsider take is that the judicial reforms were an important step in evolving Israel from a besieged castle to a proper nation-state. Sad that it ends this way. But maybe not surprising, given historical and cultural precedent.
Posted by: CppThis at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (PZvjL)
186
I've no experience with criminals or terrorists. But if I were in charge criminal reform would mean "You don't sit on your ass in prison, you are on a chain gang unless you demonstrate you are learning an employment skill" and "we don't negotiate with terrorists" would be re-instated as policy.
Posted by: PaleRider at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (3cGpq)
I've probably worked with criminals as much as anybody who doesn't actually work in the "justice" system, and my experience has been, those who have spent significant time in prison typically come out, not thinking "how do I continue to commit crimes, cuz it's so fun," but instead come out and do whatever they can to not go back.
The myth of the ineffectiveness of prison is part of the op, and myths get propagated, by the SAME people who want these criminals back out on the streets.
And the ones who only spend weeks or months incarcerated? Yeah, they don't get rehabilitated, they don't learn jack shit, except that the system is a joke.
Posted by: PaleRider at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (3cGpq)
I've probably worked with criminals as much as anybody who doesn't actually work in the "justice" system, and my experience has been, those who have spent significant time in prison typically come out, not thinking "how do I continue to commit crimes, cuz it's so fun," but instead come out and do whatever they can to not go back.
The myth of the ineffectiveness of prison is part of the op, and myths get propagated, by the SAME people who want these criminals back out on the streets.
And the ones who only spend weeks or months incarcerated? Yeah, they don't get rehabilitated, they don't learn jack shit, except that the system is a joke.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (QBaJw)
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It depends on the response; Americans didn't toss out FDR because the US Navy bungled the Pearl Harbor attack.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:46 PM (S6gqv)
Yeah this is different. I am pretty tied into Israeli sentiment. He will ultimately take the fall for this, right or wrong, and yes I think it will be right. But we will see, time will tell
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:46 PM (S6gqv)
Yeah this is different. I am pretty tied into Israeli sentiment. He will ultimately take the fall for this, right or wrong, and yes I think it will be right. But we will see, time will tell
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:49 PM (pmmLi)
188
It’s so predictable. Israel gets attacked everyone says oh no horrible. Then 5 minutes later says we need a cease fire.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:50 PM (bWsRe)
189
Drone warfare has changed the face of war. As mentioned last night, the company that can come up with an effective counter-drone technology will make millions.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (uSHSS)
Given that governments are probably planning on using drones as population controllers... I doubt that they'd be legal.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (uSHSS)
Given that governments are probably planning on using drones as population controllers... I doubt that they'd be legal.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:50 PM (1Z8zZ)
190
The much needed judicial overhaul would have proceeded without any hysterics, if certain parties from the US did not get involved and destabilized the country to the point of invasion.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:51 PM (V13WU)
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@JackPosobiec
Israel shouldn’t have supported Azerbaijan’s ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (TGPs7)
Did they?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:46 PM (1Z8zZ)
He's being sarcastic.
Israel shouldn’t have supported Azerbaijan’s ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (TGPs7)
Did they?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:46 PM (1Z8zZ)
He's being sarcastic.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:51 PM (QBaJw)
192
He apparently was into all the bad things. All of them. Every single one. Happy?
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (xhaym)
And all because of his son in law. You know the one.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 12:39 PM (xhaym)
And all because of his son in law. You know the one.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 12:52 PM (1Z8zZ)
193
It’s so predictable. Israel gets attacked everyone says oh no horrible. Then 5 minutes later says we need a cease fire.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:50 PM (bWsRe)
With 600+ dead, Israel will not give into international sentiment so quickly this time And And And biden is in a campaign year and will find it harder to press Israel with his already spotty support
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 12:50 PM (bWsRe)
With 600+ dead, Israel will not give into international sentiment so quickly this time And And And biden is in a campaign year and will find it harder to press Israel with his already spotty support
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:52 PM (pmmLi)
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Meanwhile, real life continues. My 12 year old grandson got busted at school with several other boys for smoking in the boys' room. I blame Brownsville Station. (Actually, it was vaping in the boys' room because this is the 21st century.)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (FVME7)
Good thing he didn't point his index finger and go "pew pew."
You'd never see him again.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (FVME7)
Good thing he didn't point his index finger and go "pew pew."
You'd never see him again.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:52 PM (QBaJw)
195
A red blooded American boy is supposed to rip off Dad's Luckies. And keep a pack rolled up in his sleeve. Or maybe Dad smokes Raleigh's and keeps the coupons.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 08, 2023 12:53 PM (0EOe9)
196
NEW: Hamas footage of the SUICIDE DRONE that has entered service.
The drones are expected to be used on Israeli troops when they least expect it.
The blast radius of these drones have the ability to kill multiple Israel soldiers at once. Truly horrifying.
https://tinyurl.com/bdz459bb
Posted by: redridinghood at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (NpAcC)
Not "suicide" drones. Just baby cruise missiles.
A skilled goose hunter armed with a 12-gauge auto-loading shotgun would make a pretty good defense against them.
The drones are expected to be used on Israeli troops when they least expect it.
The blast radius of these drones have the ability to kill multiple Israel soldiers at once. Truly horrifying.
https://tinyurl.com/bdz459bb
Posted by: redridinghood at October 08, 2023 12:29 PM (NpAcC)
Not "suicide" drones. Just baby cruise missiles.
A skilled goose hunter armed with a 12-gauge auto-loading shotgun would make a pretty good defense against them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 12:53 PM (TEmDo)
197
damn, the numbers of murdered Israelis has gone up to over 700...
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:53 PM (V13WU)
198
When you're attacked, you hit back twice as hard. If they attack again, you shake your head, and say "You were warned" and completely obliterate them without prejudice. If innocents are caught in the crossfire, well, sucks to be them.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (h2q0O)
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this is how it happened
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (V13WU)
It is one of the problems with a citizen's army, true.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:26 PM (V13WU)
It is one of the problems with a citizen's army, true.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (xhaym)
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damn, the numbers of murdered Israelis has gone up to over 700...
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:53 PM (V13WU)
Yes, sigh, which is why if I lived in Gaza, I'd be getting out PDQ
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:53 PM (V13WU)
Yes, sigh, which is why if I lived in Gaza, I'd be getting out PDQ
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (pmmLi)
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>>Or, a little spillage in the flood of weapons into Ukraine. Or, the spoils of the 'Stan surrender via Bagram. Or a combination of all the above.
You knew that shit would turn up. Just like Holder's gun op.
It never made any sense for Biden to leave billions of dollars of weapons behind in Afghanistan. He's an idiot but that was stupid even for him.
It makes sense now.
You knew that shit would turn up. Just like Holder's gun op.
It never made any sense for Biden to leave billions of dollars of weapons behind in Afghanistan. He's an idiot but that was stupid even for him.
It makes sense now.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2023 12:55 PM (ZLI7S)
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> Meanwhile, real life continues. My 12 year old grandson got busted at school with several other boys for smoking in the boys' room.
we must alert the church elders
we must alert the church elders
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 12:56 PM (geLO8)
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When you're attacked, you hit back twice as hard. If they attack again, you shake your head, and say "You were warned" and completely obliterate them without prejudice. If innocents are caught in the crossfire, well, sucks to be them.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (h2q0O)
I remember saying, after 9/11, you go in at this point and wreck shit. Whoever you think was responsible, you rain hellfire down on them. Then, you stop and say "don't do it again, or we'll be back."
But the neocons wanted to nation-build.
So here we are.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (h2q0O)
I remember saying, after 9/11, you go in at this point and wreck shit. Whoever you think was responsible, you rain hellfire down on them. Then, you stop and say "don't do it again, or we'll be back."
But the neocons wanted to nation-build.
So here we are.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:56 PM (QBaJw)
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Sounds like Bibi needs to start shooting officers who put politics over duty.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (c/KMW)
Probably want to start with the heads of Intel and work down from there.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 08, 2023 12:28 PM (c/KMW)
Probably want to start with the heads of Intel and work down from there.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 12:57 PM (xhaym)
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Iran has been receiving extra cash lately, not just from Biden directly, but because of Ukraine, Russia started giving Iran who knows what so they can build them some drones and drone factories. Another Biden "win" in the international sphere. Attaboy joe, you decrepit bastard.
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:57 PM (V13WU)
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Israel has sold Azerbaijan weapons before the recent conflict, that is the source of the criticism. Pretty thin coming from any Americans, since our weapons fuel every conflict in the world.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:57 PM (S6gqv)
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Well not Biden Jack, (he was already too brain dead to decide anything beyond his ice cream flavor.) But did anyone NOT think that the Islamists in our deep state was arming jihadists on purpose?
Posted by: PaleRider at October 08, 2023 12:57 PM (3cGpq)
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Lee and his ilk are accomplices. I’ve done prison ministry for 15 years, but I never advocate for their release and I’m not soft on crime. I just like to share the gospel with anyone interested and to help change people. But those evil Leftists are destroying safety and our civilization.
Posted by: Eternity Matters at October 08, 2023 12:57 PM (MTm8X)
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Re: the subject of the post.
And we have idiot cops and prosecutors arresting and fucking with First Amendment auditors that are in public recording with their cell phones.
And we have idiot cops and prosecutors arresting and fucking with First Amendment auditors that are in public recording with their cell phones.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (ufFY8)
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>> When you're attacked, you hit back twice as hard. If they attack again, you ....
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (h2q0O)
America hasn't done this since 1945
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (h2q0O)
America hasn't done this since 1945
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (geLO8)
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It never made any sense for Biden to leave billions of dollars of weapons behind in Afghanistan. He's an idiot but that was stupid even for him.
It makes sense now.
Posted by: JackStraw
The Jerusalem Post
@Jerusalem_Post
The Taliban has reportedly asked Iran for passage to Israel to help Hamas continue it’s terror against the Jewish state.
It makes sense now.
Posted by: JackStraw
The Jerusalem Post
@Jerusalem_Post
The Taliban has reportedly asked Iran for passage to Israel to help Hamas continue it’s terror against the Jewish state.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (FVME7)
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Israel has sold Azerbaijan weapons before the recent conflict, that is the source of the criticism. Pretty thin coming from any Americans, since our weapons fuel every conflict in the world.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Anorexic considering the terrorists are carrying guns that were left in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Anorexic considering the terrorists are carrying guns that were left in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (Wy1BU)
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Yes, sigh, which is why if I lived in Gaza, I'd be getting out PDQ
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (pmmLi)
last I heard 20k were on the move; I can see Israel occupying that POS strip again and doing some serious clean up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:54 PM (pmmLi)
last I heard 20k were on the move; I can see Israel occupying that POS strip again and doing some serious clean up
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:59 PM (V13WU)
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The Taliban has reportedly asked Iran for passage to Israel to help Hamas continue it’s terror against the Jewish state.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (FVME7)
Good, great, that will leave a great target
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (FVME7)
Good, great, that will leave a great target
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:59 PM (pmmLi)
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He's being sarcastic.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:51 PM (QBaJw)
Thanks. I was pretty sure it would have been mentioned somewhere if that had been the case... at least as a WTF moment.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:51 PM (QBaJw)
Thanks. I was pretty sure it would have been mentioned somewhere if that had been the case... at least as a WTF moment.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:00 PM (1Z8zZ)
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Israel has sold Azerbaijan weapons before the recent conflict, that is the source of the criticism. Pretty thin coming from any Americans, since our weapons fuel every conflict in the world.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:57 PM (S6gqv)
Posobiec is a little too clever for his own good.
He's cultivated a personality online that resonates with today's so-called right, which isn't all that interesting to me, but I know some people like him.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:57 PM (S6gqv)
Posobiec is a little too clever for his own good.
He's cultivated a personality online that resonates with today's so-called right, which isn't all that interesting to me, but I know some people like him.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:00 PM (QBaJw)
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News today says Israel has officially declared war. But will they actually wage war? Total war? I have my doubts how it plays out.
IMO YMMV FWIW
IMO YMMV FWIW
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:00 PM (geLO8)
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There was a video a couple weeks ago of a suicide drone in operation against Russians in Ukraine. The video, first person perspective, showed the drone flying through a forest, over trenches and finally into a Russian Army bunker dug into a hillside where it exploded.
I've said this before; the drone tech has matured to the point where we can send them to drop ordinance on armor, soldiers, checkpoints, etc. or load them with explosives and literally fly them into a building to kill. And they're able to loiter for some period time to hit targets of opportunity.
I've said this before; the drone tech has matured to the point where we can send them to drop ordinance on armor, soldiers, checkpoints, etc. or load them with explosives and literally fly them into a building to kill. And they're able to loiter for some period time to hit targets of opportunity.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2023 01:00 PM (Q4IgG)
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The US military plans to move navy ships and military aircraft closer to Israel as a show of support, according to officials.
The US military plans to move navy ships and military aircraft closer to Israel as a show of support, according to officials.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:01 PM (63Dwl)
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Meanwhile, real life continues. My 12 year old grandson got busted at school with several other boys for smoking in the boys' room.
we must alert the church elders
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 12:56 PM (geLO8
A guy could make a song outta that!
we must alert the church elders
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 12:56 PM (geLO8
A guy could make a song outta that!
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:01 PM (uSHSS)
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214 The Taliban has reportedly asked Iran for passage to Israel to help Hamas continue it’s terror against the Jewish state.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (FVME7)
Good, great, that will leave a great target
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:59 PM (pmmLi)
yeah, what are they going to do, walk? ride camels?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (FVME7)
Good, great, that will leave a great target
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:59 PM (pmmLi)
yeah, what are they going to do, walk? ride camels?
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:01 PM (S6gqv)
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Qatar Grand Prix about to start
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 01:02 PM (fwDg9)
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He's being sarcastic.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:51 PM (QBaJw)
Thanks. I was pretty sure it would have been mentioned somewhere if that had been the case... at least as a WTF moment.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:00 PM (1Z8zZ)
I noticed yesterday Mister Ghost is quoting people in comments here, without context, which can of course lead to misunderstandings.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 12:51 PM (QBaJw)
Thanks. I was pretty sure it would have been mentioned somewhere if that had been the case... at least as a WTF moment.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:00 PM (1Z8zZ)
I noticed yesterday Mister Ghost is quoting people in comments here, without context, which can of course lead to misunderstandings.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:02 PM (QBaJw)
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I don't think you are following what I am saying. He was PM for the much of the last 16 years during most of the Gaza crisises and did not get the job done. What I said has NOTHING to do with the recent legal issues
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (pmmLi)
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I understand. My broader scope holds. No Israeli PM has been able to act unilaterally. Hell we told them to stop the wars when they were attacked in the 70s, when the rule of war says when attacked you can go finish the job.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 12:47 PM (pmmLi)
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I understand. My broader scope holds. No Israeli PM has been able to act unilaterally. Hell we told them to stop the wars when they were attacked in the 70s, when the rule of war says when attacked you can go finish the job.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 01:02 PM (UVyKP)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (6yQ3Y)
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IIRC Golda Meir was subject to official inquiry over the 1973 Yom Kippur surprise
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (geLO8)
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And we have idiot cops and prosecutors arresting and fucking with First Amendment auditors that are in public recording with their cell phones.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (ufFY
Because they suffer no personal penalty for it. The taxpayers shell out a settlement and they go out and puff out their chests again.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (ufFY
Because they suffer no personal penalty for it. The taxpayers shell out a settlement and they go out and puff out their chests again.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (1Z8zZ)
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Bill Lee has blood on his hands. So does Gavin Newsom. And countless other members of the junta.
They have cast their lot with parasites, criminals, and degenerates and set them against the people.
Just like A Clockwork Orange
They have cast their lot with parasites, criminals, and degenerates and set them against the people.
Just like A Clockwork Orange
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (RIvkX)
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The US military plans to move navy ships and military aircraft closer to Israel as a show of support, according to officials.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:01 PM (63Dwl)
I would rather we didn't... Don't trust Joe, or his puppet masters
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:01 PM (63Dwl)
I would rather we didn't... Don't trust Joe, or his puppet masters
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (bs+z0)
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I can see Israel occupying that POS strip again and doing some serious clean up
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:59 PM (V13WU)
Well not sure about re-occupation, but you never know. I am in favor of doing what needs to be done, but I am on edge about that since this time, it is my families "Kids" in the front lines. I would trade places with them if I could. I held them when they were babies, Sigh
Posted by: runner at October 08, 2023 12:59 PM (V13WU)
Well not sure about re-occupation, but you never know. I am in favor of doing what needs to be done, but I am on edge about that since this time, it is my families "Kids" in the front lines. I would trade places with them if I could. I held them when they were babies, Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (pmmLi)
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The attack was deliberately allowed by the IDF. CIA and Mossad knew it was coming too. And now Israel has officially declared war. This whole thing is an OP, setting the stage for something much, much bigger. Hezbollah and others will soon enter the picture as well.
It's going to get a whole lot worse from here.
It's going to get a whole lot worse from here.
Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at October 08, 2023 01:05 PM (PWI4f)
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Drone warfare has changed the face of war. As mentioned last night, the company that can come up with an effective counter-drone technology will make millions.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (uSHSS)
Stinger like Katushas based around Estes rockets with bursting heads. Anything I could imagine might also take out a car door key-fob, though.
Drones have to communicate back to base to be effective, and the motors have a signature too.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 12:37 PM (uSHSS)
Stinger like Katushas based around Estes rockets with bursting heads. Anything I could imagine might also take out a car door key-fob, though.
Drones have to communicate back to base to be effective, and the motors have a signature too.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 01:05 PM (xhaym)
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I'm still embroiled in a case (material witness) where I live, about shots fired and a lifetime criminal trying to kill someone, and this case is now going on a year with no end in sight. He keeps changing lawyers and getting continuances; he gets out, makes money (guess doing what) to fuel more legal gymnastics, and rinse and repeat.
Last time I got subpeonaed (again!) I called up and asked, "Am I attached at the hip to this idiot or what?"
It just drags on and on.
Last time I got subpeonaed (again!) I called up and asked, "Am I attached at the hip to this idiot or what?"
It just drags on and on.
Posted by: LenNeal at October 08, 2023 01:05 PM (/BBNv)
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The Taliban doesn't have to walk or ride camels, they have hundreds of shiny new troop transport vehicles that we abandoned. And they will form a pretty column that will be an inviting target for an A10 or an F35, but guys like Blinken won't allow it to be destroyed because he has a guitar lesson that day or some other reason.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at October 08, 2023 01:06 PM (MeG8a)
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And my Marine just signed a 12 month active duty extension.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (6yQ3Y)
Really. Don't worry there will be no boots on the ground in Israel Gaza. So all his med issues were cleared?
And my Marine just signed a 12 month active duty extension.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (6yQ3Y)
Really. Don't worry there will be no boots on the ground in Israel Gaza. So all his med issues were cleared?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:06 PM (pmmLi)
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Taliban has lots of new military vehicles to get them there
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 01:06 PM (fwDg9)
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214 The Taliban has reportedly asked Iran for passage to Israel to help Hamas continue it’s terror against the Jewish state.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (FVME7)
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I could just imagine a Talibani showing up at the border of Iran. Iran border control says, "Hey, do you need any arms for your mission?"
Talibani says, "Nope. We have our own gear, courtesy of the United States Government."
"Well, when you run out of that, just ask us, and we can get you more, courtesy of the Great Satan! Allahu Akbar!"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 08, 2023 12:58 PM (FVME7)
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I could just imagine a Talibani showing up at the border of Iran. Iran border control says, "Hey, do you need any arms for your mission?"
Talibani says, "Nope. We have our own gear, courtesy of the United States Government."
"Well, when you run out of that, just ask us, and we can get you more, courtesy of the Great Satan! Allahu Akbar!"
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:07 PM (BpYfr)
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And my Marine just signed a 12 month active duty extension.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (6yQ3Y)
Prayers sent. When the Lord gets over His surprise at hearing from me, hopefully He'll assign one of the veteran angels to watch over him.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (6yQ3Y)
Prayers sent. When the Lord gets over His surprise at hearing from me, hopefully He'll assign one of the veteran angels to watch over him.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:07 PM (1Z8zZ)
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What say they, being the enlightened intersectional feminists they are, about Hamas raping and brutalizing women before the cameras and acting like they won the Super Bowl?
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (VTu1l)
That Israel has it coming because of their policies. I know this because my oldest step sister who is the flaming liberal told me so yesterda,
She also wanted to know where the weapons were coming from.
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 08, 2023 12:40 PM (VTu1l)
That Israel has it coming because of their policies. I know this because my oldest step sister who is the flaming liberal told me so yesterda,
She also wanted to know where the weapons were coming from.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 01:08 PM (xhaym)
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Because they suffer no personal penalty for it. The taxpayers shell out a settlement and they go out and puff out their chests again.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (1Z8zZ)
Exactly.
Serious discipline (suspension without pay at first) needs to happen to change behavior.
The escalate to removal of qualified immunity.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (1Z8zZ)
Exactly.
Serious discipline (suspension without pay at first) needs to happen to change behavior.
The escalate to removal of qualified immunity.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 08, 2023 01:08 PM (ufFY8)
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I've said this before; the drone tech has matured to the point where we can send them to drop ordinance on armor, soldiers, checkpoints, etc. or load them with explosives and literally fly them into a building to kill. And they're able to loiter for some period time to hit targets of opportunity.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2023 01:00 PM (Q4IgG)
Yeah, let's see if the Isreali army has bothered to learn the lessons of drone warfare that have freely available on the internet for months. My bet is they haven't, and they will be shocked at the number of their casualties.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2023 01:00 PM (Q4IgG)
Yeah, let's see if the Isreali army has bothered to learn the lessons of drone warfare that have freely available on the internet for months. My bet is they haven't, and they will be shocked at the number of their casualties.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 08, 2023 01:08 PM (F1Gu6)
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The attack was deliberately allowed by the IDF. CIA and Mossad knew it was coming too. And now Israel has officially declared war. This whole thing is an OP, setting the stage for something much, much bigger. Hezbollah and others will soon enter the picture as well.
It's going to get a whole lot worse from here.
Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at October 08, 2023 01:05 PM (PWI4f)
Sure. It worked so well with 9/11. Why not. Make sure you tell all the "right" people not to go to work that day, and when the towers come down we can sell weapons to everybody! Including the "terrorists."
Win freakin' win!
It's going to get a whole lot worse from here.
Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at October 08, 2023 01:05 PM (PWI4f)
Sure. It worked so well with 9/11. Why not. Make sure you tell all the "right" people not to go to work that day, and when the towers come down we can sell weapons to everybody! Including the "terrorists."
Win freakin' win!
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:08 PM (QBaJw)
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And my Marine just signed a 12 month active duty extension.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (6yQ3Y)
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b"h
This must be a bit distressing as a mom
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (6yQ3Y)
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b"h
This must be a bit distressing as a mom
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:09 PM (RIvkX)
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IIRC Golda Meir was subject to official inquiry over the 1973 Yom Kippur surprise
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (geLO8
I had a great conversation with an Egyptian colonel who was commanding one of the Regiments that crossed the Suez. He said even they weren't sure the plan to knock holes in the huge berm the Israelis had created would work. To his surprise it did. Also to the surprise of the Israelis.
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:03 PM (geLO8
I had a great conversation with an Egyptian colonel who was commanding one of the Regiments that crossed the Suez. He said even they weren't sure the plan to knock holes in the huge berm the Israelis had created would work. To his surprise it did. Also to the surprise of the Israelis.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:10 PM (uSHSS)
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242 The attack was deliberately allowed by the IDF. CIA and Mossad knew it was coming too. And now Israel has officially declared war. This whole thing is an OP, setting the stage for something much, much bigger. Hezbollah and others will soon enter the picture as well."
That's what the Left and the Arabs are saying. Go with it if you're a Hamas supporter.
That's what the Left and the Arabs are saying. Go with it if you're a Hamas supporter.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:10 PM (S6gqv)
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Egypt despises the Palestinians, and the border is tightly sealed. They see them as the same as the Muslim Brotherhood, which they destroyed. They aren't going to invade Gaza on Israel's behalf, though.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (S6gqv)
Unless they are paid a lot of money or see a lot of leverage to ignore these facts.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 12:43 PM (S6gqv)
Unless they are paid a lot of money or see a lot of leverage to ignore these facts.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 01:10 PM (xhaym)
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NGU,
He's still in limbo with the med issues. But, if the shit hits the fan, they won't care. He'll be sent over.
Prayers for your family.
I'm so angry right now. All of the weapons left in Afghanistan makes sense now.
And why not occupy Gaza? Why not just sweep it clean and annex it. Exterminate the rats and level the area and build it as part of Israel.
He's still in limbo with the med issues. But, if the shit hits the fan, they won't care. He'll be sent over.
Prayers for your family.
I'm so angry right now. All of the weapons left in Afghanistan makes sense now.
And why not occupy Gaza? Why not just sweep it clean and annex it. Exterminate the rats and level the area and build it as part of Israel.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (JmdRC)
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Since other people brought up the subject, I'm most interested in the fact that Lapid is pushing for an 'emergency unity government' with Bibi... without his 'Far Right' allies in it. I'm curious as to what that's about.
Posted by: LenNeal at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (/BBNv)
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19. that there are still a number of Americans who are Missing that were possibly Kidnapped by Terrorist into the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Will Hamas get $1Billion a pop for these guys? Going ratr
e from what I hear.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Will Hamas get $1Billion a pop for these guys? Going ratr
e from what I hear.
Posted by: From about that Time at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (4780s)
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Stinger like Katushas based around Estes rockets with bursting heads. Anything I could imagine might also take out a car door key-fob, though.
Drones have to communicate back to base to be effective, and the motors have a signature too.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 01:05 PM (xhaym)
Bottom line: drones are airplanes, and the electric ones are slow airplanes. Existing anti-aircraft weapons, or better yet, upgraded WWI-era anti-aircraft weapons will work against them. Make a Gatling-style AA gun using 12 gauge shells loaded with #2 shot.
Drone weapons are nothing new. The Nazi V1 flying bomb was a drone.
Drones have to communicate back to base to be effective, and the motors have a signature too.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 01:05 PM (xhaym)
Bottom line: drones are airplanes, and the electric ones are slow airplanes. Existing anti-aircraft weapons, or better yet, upgraded WWI-era anti-aircraft weapons will work against them. Make a Gatling-style AA gun using 12 gauge shells loaded with #2 shot.
Drone weapons are nothing new. The Nazi V1 flying bomb was a drone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:12 PM (PRS3p)
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Well not sure about re-occupation, but you never know. I am in favor of doing what needs to be done, but I am on edge about that since this time, it is my families "Kids" in the front lines. I would trade places with them if I could. I held them when they were babies, Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (pmmLi)
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What needs to be done can be done entirely from the air.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (pmmLi)
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What needs to be done can be done entirely from the air.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:12 PM (RIvkX)
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I had a great conversation with an Egyptian colonel who was commanding one of the Regiments that crossed the Suez. He said even they weren't sure the plan to knock holes in the huge berm the Israelis had created would work. To his surprise it did. Also to the surprise of the Israelis.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:10 PM (uSHSS)
I knew some Egyptians back in the day, were in the army at the time. What I remember is them saying what a fustercluck it all was, so I guess even those who saw some initial success knew they were going to be chewed up and spit out.
These guys I knew were not zealots, one of them was Christian, not Muslim, and not a one of them were living in the U.S. because they loved their homeland.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:10 PM (uSHSS)
I knew some Egyptians back in the day, were in the army at the time. What I remember is them saying what a fustercluck it all was, so I guess even those who saw some initial success knew they were going to be chewed up and spit out.
These guys I knew were not zealots, one of them was Christian, not Muslim, and not a one of them were living in the U.S. because they loved their homeland.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:13 PM (QBaJw)
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And why not occupy Gaza? Why not just sweep it clean and annex it. Exterminate the rats and level the area and build it as part of Israel.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (JmdRC)
Because there are 2 million arabs living there. Israel left because ruling over 2 million non-compliant people was very expensive and took to many valuable assets ( read that as soldiers). Israel does NOT want a repeat of that. Clean out gaza yes. Put in better controls YES. Totally re-occupy NO. But time will tell. And as I said there will be no US boots on the ground in Israel.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (JmdRC)
Because there are 2 million arabs living there. Israel left because ruling over 2 million non-compliant people was very expensive and took to many valuable assets ( read that as soldiers). Israel does NOT want a repeat of that. Clean out gaza yes. Put in better controls YES. Totally re-occupy NO. But time will tell. And as I said there will be no US boots on the ground in Israel.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:14 PM (pmmLi)
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Israel has to reoccupy, and install direct military control. There's no other choice, allowing them to choose their own viscious government can no longer be allowed. It's a tough problem; honestly all 2 million residents should be killed, but Israel can't do that, so turning the entire strip into some of kind of maximum security prison is the best that can be hoped for.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:14 PM (S6gqv)
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My reading is that Mossad deliberately withheld intelligence from Bibi and his government because he was a big meanie
Sounds familiar... somehow...
Sounds familiar... somehow...
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Wagshambas at October 08, 2023 01:14 PM (VTu1l)
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The US military plans to move navy ships and military aircraft closer to Israel as a show of support, according to officials.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:01 PM (63Dwl)
I would rather we didn't... Don't trust Joe, or his puppet masters
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (bs+z0)
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No worries. Milley is gone so there's no one to call their Hamas counterpart to give them a heads up.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:01 PM (63Dwl)
I would rather we didn't... Don't trust Joe, or his puppet masters
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 01:04 PM (bs+z0)
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No worries. Milley is gone so there's no one to call their Hamas counterpart to give them a heads up.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:15 PM (uSHSS)
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What needs to be done can be done entirely from the air.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:12 PM (RIvkX)
Actually no. Not even close. They will have to go in and go in hard. But no-reoccupation
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:12 PM (RIvkX)
Actually no. Not even close. They will have to go in and go in hard. But no-reoccupation
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:15 PM (pmmLi)
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What needs to be done can be done entirely from the air.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:12 PM (RIvkX)
Or from artillery tubes on the ground.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:12 PM (RIvkX)
Or from artillery tubes on the ground.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:15 PM (PRS3p)
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Because there are 2 million arabs living there. Israel left because ruling over 2 million non-compliant people was very expensive and took to many valuable assets ( read that as soldiers). Israel does NOT want a repeat of that. Clean out gaza yes. Put in better controls YES. Totally re-occupy NO. But time will tell. And as I said there will be no US boots on the ground in Israel.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:14 PM (pmmLi)
I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:14 PM (pmmLi)
I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
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I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
LOL, who in their right mind would take them? Not the Egyptians for sure
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
LOL, who in their right mind would take them? Not the Egyptians for sure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi)
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248 Since other people brought up the subject, I'm most interested in the fact that Lapid is pushing for an 'emergency unity government' with Bibi... without his 'Far Right' allies in it. I'm curious as to what that's about.
Posted by: LenNeal at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (/BBNv)
Lapid had their chance after the last election - they turned it down. Too late to join up now.
Posted by: LenNeal at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (/BBNv)
Lapid had their chance after the last election - they turned it down. Too late to join up now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (S6gqv)
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Qatar Grand Prix about to start
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Hey Skip, is there a way to stream this live? I found links, but I have to live in LUX or AUS to use.
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Hey Skip, is there a way to stream this live? I found links, but I have to live in LUX or AUS to use.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (7Fj9P)
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I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
Relocate them all 26 miles west. "How well can you tread water, Achmed?"
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
Relocate them all 26 miles west. "How well can you tread water, Achmed?"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (PRS3p)
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LOL, who in their right mind would take them?
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I hear the Suez Canal has plenty of room
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I hear the Suez Canal has plenty of room
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (VTu1l)
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Drone warfare changes things. Would think eyes need to be always on the sky and weapons capable need to be ready at all times.
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (fwDg9)
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66 arrests... that's nothing in Washington State it is not at all uncommon having violent criminal running around free who have 55 felony convictions.
Governor Inslee's Department of Corrections is closing two of the twelve prisons in Washington State. It isn't because of less crimes (Seattle is a crime infested shit hole).
Governor Inslee's Department of Corrections is closing two of the twelve prisons in Washington State. It isn't because of less crimes (Seattle is a crime infested shit hole).
Posted by: pchuckles at October 08, 2023 01:18 PM (KspwL)
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There is a press conference right now with six parents of children who have been taken hostage by the enemy, but my Hebrew is not good enough to follow.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:18 PM (RIvkX)
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> Drone weapons are nothing new. The Nazi V1 flying bomb was a drone.
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Modern drones are quiet and very maneuverable. They are small enough to not even register on most AA radars or fly low enough to be lost in the ground clutter. They can carry grenade like ordnance, mortar warheads, plastic explosives, etc. They've taken out a lot of Russian armor.
They've been used to some effect in Israel too.
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Modern drones are quiet and very maneuverable. They are small enough to not even register on most AA radars or fly low enough to be lost in the ground clutter. They can carry grenade like ordnance, mortar warheads, plastic explosives, etc. They've taken out a lot of Russian armor.
They've been used to some effect in Israel too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2023 01:18 PM (Q4IgG)
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LOL, who in their right mind would take them? Not the Egyptians for sure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi)
Sen them to Afghanistan, and tell them it's theirs, if they can keep it. Buy popcorn.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi)
Sen them to Afghanistan, and tell them it's theirs, if they can keep it. Buy popcorn.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:18 PM (PRS3p)
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Since other people brought up the subject, I'm most interested in the fact that Lapid is pushing for an 'emergency unity government' with Bibi... without his 'Far Right' allies in it. I'm curious as to what that's about.
Posted by: LenNeal at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (/BBNv)
Because, quite simply, they are now at war and they need a National Unity Security Gov. The far right thing is an opening salvo. I would expect one to be formed in days.
Politics has to take a back seat right now, but we will see
Posted by: LenNeal at October 08, 2023 01:11 PM (/BBNv)
Because, quite simply, they are now at war and they need a National Unity Security Gov. The far right thing is an opening salvo. I would expect one to be formed in days.
Politics has to take a back seat right now, but we will see
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:18 PM (pmmLi)
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Wonder what a localized EMP would do to drones. Fry a bunch of other stuff, too, but might be worth it. Hmmm...maybe the Drone Wars are how we regress back to early 20th century technology.
Posted by: CppThis at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (PZvjL)
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No worries. Milley is gone so there's no one to call their Hamas counterpart to give them a heads up.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:15 PM (uSHSS)
Exactly. Because Milli surrounded himself with tough rough and ready fellas who totally aren't more interested in DEI than they are fighting wars.
So whether the Pentagon is advising Hamas or not, I don't know, but I'm sure they're sending the Israelis Powerpoint presentations on how to wear lip gloss and mascara.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:15 PM (uSHSS)
Exactly. Because Milli surrounded himself with tough rough and ready fellas who totally aren't more interested in DEI than they are fighting wars.
So whether the Pentagon is advising Hamas or not, I don't know, but I'm sure they're sending the Israelis Powerpoint presentations on how to wear lip gloss and mascara.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (QBaJw)
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Bill Lee is a Republican. If Democrats want your family eaten by cannibalistic hypercriminals, he'll fry 'em up in the pan.
Just because your state votes Republican doesn't mean your legislators will.
Just because your state votes Republican doesn't mean your legislators will.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (zTarz)
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I'd load their asses on a boat for Iran
Posted by: Ben Had at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (odop/)
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I'd load their asses on a boat for Iran
Posted by: Ben Had at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (odop/)
LOL, would have to be a pretty fuckin big boat
Posted by: Ben Had at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (odop/)
LOL, would have to be a pretty fuckin big boat
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:21 PM (pmmLi)
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Modern drones are quiet and very maneuverable. They are small enough to not even register on most AA radars or fly low enough to be lost in the ground clutter. They can carry grenade like ordnance, mortar warheads, plastic explosives, etc. They've taken out a lot of Russian armor.
They've been used to some effect in Israel too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2023 01:18 PM (Q4IgG)
But that same "low and slow" capability that shields them from conventional AA makes them vulnerable to dudes on the ground with shotguns. Also, a high-power microwave beam might work to scramble their comms, or burn out their control circuits.
They've been used to some effect in Israel too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 08, 2023 01:18 PM (Q4IgG)
But that same "low and slow" capability that shields them from conventional AA makes them vulnerable to dudes on the ground with shotguns. Also, a high-power microwave beam might work to scramble their comms, or burn out their control circuits.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:21 PM (PRS3p)
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259 I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
Perhaps I could be of assistance?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
Perhaps I could be of assistance?
Posted by: Zombie Andrew Jackson at October 08, 2023 01:21 PM (PZvjL)
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LOL, who in their right mind would take them? Not the Egyptians for sure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi)
Right, but if things progress far enough, they could potentially make someone take them, giving them an offer they can't refuse.
But the optics of such a thing would have to happen only AFTER any number of other lines the government doesn't want to cross, get crossed.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi)
Right, but if things progress far enough, they could potentially make someone take them, giving them an offer they can't refuse.
But the optics of such a thing would have to happen only AFTER any number of other lines the government doesn't want to cross, get crossed.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:21 PM (QBaJw)
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. LOL, who in their right mind would take them? Not the Egyptians for sure
Posted by: Nevergiveup
nobody wants the palestinians
Israel is stuck with them as neighbors
Posted by: Nevergiveup
nobody wants the palestinians
Israel is stuck with them as neighbors
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (geLO8)
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Israel has to reoccupy, and install direct military control. There's no other choice, allowing them to choose their own viscious government can no longer be allowed. It's a tough problem; honestly all 2 million residents should be killed, but Israel can't do that, so turning the entire strip into some of kind of maximum security prison is the best that can be hoped for.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:14 PM (S6gqv)
You are correct Tom. A very difficult problem with no good solution. You can't kill 2 million people. You can't turn them onto refugees...who would take them? And if you let them stay, this problem will be repeated time and again. But for now, buy a generation of peace by absolutely crushing them. No quarter given. Slay all before you and let the survivors clean the mess up. Then a harsh, complete occupation for a few years before returning some control back to the locals.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:14 PM (S6gqv)
You are correct Tom. A very difficult problem with no good solution. You can't kill 2 million people. You can't turn them onto refugees...who would take them? And if you let them stay, this problem will be repeated time and again. But for now, buy a generation of peace by absolutely crushing them. No quarter given. Slay all before you and let the survivors clean the mess up. Then a harsh, complete occupation for a few years before returning some control back to the locals.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (uSHSS)
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I'd load their asses on a boat for Iran
Posted by: Ben Had at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (odop/)
LOL, would have to be a pretty fuckin big boat
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:21 PM (pmmLi)
Okay. Trebuchet's are a horde favorite.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (odop/)
LOL, would have to be a pretty fuckin big boat
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:21 PM (pmmLi)
Okay. Trebuchet's are a horde favorite.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (1Z8zZ)
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I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
The only place to resettle them is to the east, and that has bad connotations.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
The only place to resettle them is to the east, and that has bad connotations.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (xhaym)
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Relocate them all 26 miles west. "How well can you tread water, Achmed?"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (PRS3p)
"We've already chummed the waters, Achmed."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (PRS3p)
"We've already chummed the waters, Achmed."
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (I8crj)
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A surprise attack is always initially successful. It’s what happens after the surprise is over that counts.
And every country that has suffered a surprise attack is accused of intelligence failure no matter how well the planned surprise attack was. 20/20 hindsight should mostly be used as a learning tool and not a political tool.
And every country that has suffered a surprise attack is accused of intelligence failure no matter how well the planned surprise attack was. 20/20 hindsight should mostly be used as a learning tool and not a political tool.
Posted by: Drive By at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (MNhXM)
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I hear the Suez Canal has plenty of room
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (VTu1l)
Just think of all the quaint little British towns, with 5 star hotels, and resident homes that are just THRILLED about taking in more "migrants."
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 08, 2023 01:17 PM (VTu1l)
Just think of all the quaint little British towns, with 5 star hotels, and resident homes that are just THRILLED about taking in more "migrants."
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (QBaJw)
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nobody wants the palestinians
Israel is stuck with them as neighbors
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (geLO
Work with the Saudis to relocate them to Yemen. Saudi is already at war with Yemen, so it would just continue that.
Israel is stuck with them as neighbors
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (geLO
Work with the Saudis to relocate them to Yemen. Saudi is already at war with Yemen, so it would just continue that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (PRS3p)
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You can't turn them onto refugees...who would take them?
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (uSHSS)
Okay, stick with me here... step one, build a big wall around Martha's Vineyard...
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (uSHSS)
Okay, stick with me here... step one, build a big wall around Martha's Vineyard...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:24 PM (1Z8zZ)
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Al Jazeera says "Palestinian fighters have taken settlers captive from settlements around Gaza" because they fear the truth of saying they have captured children.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (RIvkX)
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I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
The only place to resettle them is to the east, and that has bad connotations.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (xhaym)
Exactly. Putting people on trains and sending them east is not an option. For now.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
The only place to resettle them is to the east, and that has bad connotations.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (xhaym)
Exactly. Putting people on trains and sending them east is not an option. For now.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (QBaJw)
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LOL, who in their right mind would take them? Not the Egyptians for sure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi
I hear Mercury is nice this time of year.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi
I hear Mercury is nice this time of year.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (l7Kbv)
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Why won't anyone hire me ?
Posted by: Noah Bawdy at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (WqYe6)
Because you are an asshole spammer.
Posted by: Noah Bawdy at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (WqYe6)
Because you are an asshole spammer.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (PRS3p)
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Level everything in Gaza within two miles of the Israeli border. Turn it into a barren field of fucks with guard towers that will destroy anything approaching the border. No mercy.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (ufFY8)
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Because you are an asshole spammer.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (PRS3p)
I hate it when my spanner becomes asshoe.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (PRS3p)
I hate it when my spanner becomes asshoe.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 08, 2023 01:26 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: redridinghood at October 08, 2023 01:26 PM (NpAcC)
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Why won't anyone hire me ?
Posted by: Noah Bawdy at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (WqYe6)
Because you are an asshole spammer.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (PRS3p)
You know Mayor Pete would hire an asshole spammer.
Posted by: Noah Bawdy at October 08, 2023 01:23 PM (WqYe6)
Because you are an asshole spammer.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (PRS3p)
You know Mayor Pete would hire an asshole spammer.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (1Z8zZ)
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Exactly. Putting people on trains and sending them east is not an option. For now.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (QBaJw)
There aren't any trains. T.E. Lawrence blew them all up.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (QBaJw)
There aren't any trains. T.E. Lawrence blew them all up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (PRS3p)
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You are correct Tom. A very difficult problem with no good solution. You can't kill 2 million people. You can't turn them onto refugees...who would take them? And if you let them stay, this problem will be repeated time and again. But for now, buy a generation of peace by absolutely crushing them. No quarter given. Slay all before you and let the survivors clean the mess up. Then a harsh, complete occupation for a few years before returning some control back to the locals.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (uSHSS)
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That's basically the choice facing the Israelis right now. 2 million dead Palestinians or 6 million dead Jews if the Palestinians are allowed to have their way.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (uSHSS)
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That's basically the choice facing the Israelis right now. 2 million dead Palestinians or 6 million dead Jews if the Palestinians are allowed to have their way.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (geLO8)
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If the random spam guy needs work, perhaps he could cultivate a full head of eminently sniffable hair and become a White House page boy?
Posted by: CppThis at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (PZvjL)
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Okay, stick with me here... step one, build a big wall around Martha's Vineyard...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:24 PM (1Z8zZ)
Why? Has anyone consulted John Carpenter, is NYC not an option?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:24 PM (1Z8zZ)
Why? Has anyone consulted John Carpenter, is NYC not an option?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (QBaJw)
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'Bill Lee is a Republican. '
He's clearly a fool. He wants to empty prisons as his vanity project so he can say he fixed crime, I guess.
Unfortunately, you can't fix crime without fixing human nature. God has been trying that for 5000 years but I guess He just isn't up to the job like Bill Lee is.
'Bill Lee is a Republican. '
He's clearly a fool. He wants to empty prisons as his vanity project so he can say he fixed crime, I guess.
Unfortunately, you can't fix crime without fixing human nature. God has been trying that for 5000 years but I guess He just isn't up to the job like Bill Lee is.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 08, 2023 01:28 PM (roH4R)
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Just because your state votes Republican doesn't mean your legislators will.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (zTarz)
I wrote this a couple of days ago here. My county is very conservative. Went 60% Trump both times. But local politicians are left wing. It’s all supposedly non partisan so there’s no official party breakdown. But they’re all democrats. And they keep getting re elected. The left does this really effectively at the state and local level.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2023 01:19 PM (zTarz)
I wrote this a couple of days ago here. My county is very conservative. Went 60% Trump both times. But local politicians are left wing. It’s all supposedly non partisan so there’s no official party breakdown. But they’re all democrats. And they keep getting re elected. The left does this really effectively at the state and local level.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 01:28 PM (bWsRe)
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Rehash of Achille Lauro.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 08, 2023 01:28 PM (I8crj)
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Level everything in Gaza within two miles of the Israeli border. Turn it into a barren field of fucks with guard towers that will destroy anything approaching the border. No mercy.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (ufFY
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Interesting suggestion, as the Gaza Strip is only about 2 miles wide at its widest point.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (ufFY
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Interesting suggestion, as the Gaza Strip is only about 2 miles wide at its widest point.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:29 PM (BpYfr)
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nobody wants the palestinians
Israel is stuck with them as neighbors
Posted by: DB
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We've a similar problem for years.
Israel is stuck with them as neighbors
Posted by: DB
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We've a similar problem for years.
Posted by: The Hatfields. at October 08, 2023 01:29 PM (XeU6L)
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Rehash of Achille Lauro.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 08, 2023 01:28 PM
thanks for remembering
Rehash of Achille Lauro.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 08, 2023 01:28 PM
thanks for remembering
Posted by: Leon Klinghoffer at October 08, 2023 01:30 PM (ENBF0)
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AA gun using 12 gauge shells loaded with #2 shot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:12 PM (PRS3p)
Steel or Lead? Lead 2 shot is hard to make and pretty rare.
Or do you mead #2 Buck? In that case...
I would do #4 Buck. 28 pellets per 2 3/4 shell vs 12 for #2 Buck.
2 shot is 0.130 diameter. Good hard hitting Goose load. I'd bet it would make one hell of an anti drone load too. A factory to make it would have to be built as you would want to "drop" it and not cast it.
Tower would have to be around 300 feet tall with a cooling system.
I dropped it once at West Coast Shot. -10°F outside and things warmed up after about 4 tons. Shot started blowing up when it hit the water. Anyway with that drop we got about 2.5 usable tons of shot. Flooded the market for years. I still have 3 25# bags of it. I traded one bag to a guy for an entire shotgun shell reloading set up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2023 01:12 PM (PRS3p)
Steel or Lead? Lead 2 shot is hard to make and pretty rare.
Or do you mead #2 Buck? In that case...
I would do #4 Buck. 28 pellets per 2 3/4 shell vs 12 for #2 Buck.
2 shot is 0.130 diameter. Good hard hitting Goose load. I'd bet it would make one hell of an anti drone load too. A factory to make it would have to be built as you would want to "drop" it and not cast it.
Tower would have to be around 300 feet tall with a cooling system.
I dropped it once at West Coast Shot. -10°F outside and things warmed up after about 4 tons. Shot started blowing up when it hit the water. Anyway with that drop we got about 2.5 usable tons of shot. Flooded the market for years. I still have 3 25# bags of it. I traded one bag to a guy for an entire shotgun shell reloading set up.
Posted by: Reforger at October 08, 2023 01:31 PM (xma02)
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Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:31 PM (4PLHt)
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I'm in the drone industry. Ok, UAV's. I have one vendor who sells milt. spec. birds, but they're more of an "eye in the sky application." That being said, you can bring them down by messing with their IMU's, inertial measurement units. (There's an IMU in your smartphone). The IMU informs the drone where in the 3D world it is. Alter that capability, and the bird will crash itself. Pulse radar or pulse magnetics, maybe?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:31 PM (7Fj9P)
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Tennessee has a long history infamous of rural criminal enterprises supported by local governments.
Posted by: Drive By at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (MNhXM)
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Israel's defense systems are designed to protect her from bad people trying to SNEAK in. These demons just walked and drove in. Israel didn't have a clue,
Perception is everything.
Perception is everything.
Posted by: creeper at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (cTCuP)
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I hear Mercury is nice this time of year.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (l7Kbv)
IT'S FUNNY CUZ MERCURY DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE ITS CLIMATE THROUGHOUT ITS YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS HOT ON ONE SIDE AND COLD ON THE OTHER.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at October 08, 2023 01:25 PM (l7Kbv)
IT'S FUNNY CUZ MERCURY DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE ITS CLIMATE THROUGHOUT ITS YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS HOT ON ONE SIDE AND COLD ON THE OTHER.
Posted by: ben Roethlisberger at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (QBaJw)
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AOC calling for a cease-fire.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (63Dwl)
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I don't think we should be suggesting genocide here in Ace's Home. Just saying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:33 PM (pmmLi)
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Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at October 08, 2023 01:05 PM (PWI4f)
Do you get paid by Hamas, or directly by Iran?
Do you get paid by Hamas, or directly by Iran?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2023 01:33 PM (3dEij)
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (4PLHt)
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Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:31 PM (4PLHt)
The left would love that. Get rid of the palis, who no one cares about, AND have the Jews perpetrate a genocide.
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 08, 2023 01:31 PM (4PLHt)
The left would love that. Get rid of the palis, who no one cares about, AND have the Jews perpetrate a genocide.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (1Z8zZ)
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T'S FUNNY CUZ MERCURY DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE ITS CLIMATE THROUGHOUT ITS YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS HOT ON ONE SIDE AND COLD ON THE OTHER.
Posted by: ben Roethlisberger
Just like a McDLT
T'S FUNNY CUZ MERCURY DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE ITS CLIMATE THROUGHOUT ITS YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS HOT ON ONE SIDE AND COLD ON THE OTHER.
Posted by: ben Roethlisberger
Just like a McDLT
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (63Dwl)
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That's basically the choice facing the Israelis right now. 2 million dead Palestinians or 6 million dead Jews if the Palestinians are allowed to have their way.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (BpYfr)
Sadly I think governments will need to write off the hostages. They will not survive. But in doing so, the gloves come off and operational planning gets easier.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (BpYfr)
Sadly I think governments will need to write off the hostages. They will not survive. But in doing so, the gloves come off and operational planning gets easier.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (uSHSS)
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I don't think we should be suggesting genocide here in Ace's Home. Just saying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:33 PM (pmmLi)
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I don't think anyone here WANTS to see it happen.
But one way or another it most likely WILL happen. Entire races/tribes/ethnicities have been wiped off the face of the Earth before. It will happen again.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:33 PM (pmmLi)
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I don't think anyone here WANTS to see it happen.
But one way or another it most likely WILL happen. Entire races/tribes/ethnicities have been wiped off the face of the Earth before. It will happen again.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (geLO8)
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Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:22 PM (uSHSS)
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That's basically the choice facing the Israelis right now. 2 million dead Palestinians or 6 million dead Jews if the Palestinians are allowed to have their way.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (BpYfr)
A truly interesting thing will be seeing how this unfolds over the next few days/weeks, if the West Bank wants to join in, or even if the surrounding nations want to.
If this remains STRICTLY a battle between Israel and Gaza (with Iran's backing, of course), does it change the dynamics long term, when nobody else gets involved?
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That's basically the choice facing the Israelis right now. 2 million dead Palestinians or 6 million dead Jews if the Palestinians are allowed to have their way.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:27 PM (BpYfr)
A truly interesting thing will be seeing how this unfolds over the next few days/weeks, if the West Bank wants to join in, or even if the surrounding nations want to.
If this remains STRICTLY a battle between Israel and Gaza (with Iran's backing, of course), does it change the dynamics long term, when nobody else gets involved?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:35 PM (QBaJw)
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And there is certainly no reason to repeat it. Sigh
Can someone remove those posts for Ace's sake
Can someone remove those posts for Ace's sake
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:35 PM (pmmLi)
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Israel has been trying “prison reform” with its enemies since its creation .
Posted by: Drive By at October 08, 2023 01:35 PM (MNhXM)
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Anyway with that drop we got about 2.5 usable tons of shot.
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That's crazy. IIRC, there are still some brick and stone shot cooling towers around from Civil War days. I'd love to witness the process. Also, if you ever get a chance to tour a glass bottle making facility, check it out.
It's a fascinating process.
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That's crazy. IIRC, there are still some brick and stone shot cooling towers around from Civil War days. I'd love to witness the process. Also, if you ever get a chance to tour a glass bottle making facility, check it out.
It's a fascinating process.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:35 PM (7Fj9P)
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AOC calling for a cease-fire.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (63Dwl)
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I commented earlier that I won't be satisfied until she starts shrieking about genocide.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (63Dwl)
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I commented earlier that I won't be satisfied until she starts shrieking about genocide.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:36 PM (RIvkX)
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Hey, Israel. This is what ya get when you accept leftist politics and ideals (Bibi notwithstanding). You let your women be kidnapped and savaged and then wonder why your enemy would do such a thing.
And what's sad is the same thing is coming to the western world sooner or later. My bet is on sooner.
And what's sad is the same thing is coming to the western world sooner or later. My bet is on sooner.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 08, 2023 01:36 PM (BdMk6)
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IT'S FUNNY CUZ MERCURY DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE ITS CLIMATE THROUGHOUT ITS YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS HOT ON ONE SIDE AND COLD ON THE OTHER.
Posted by: ben Roethlisberger at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (QBaJw)
Barring the lack of an atmosphere, I wonder if you could build a line city right on the transition point between the two sides.
Posted by: ben Roethlisberger at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (QBaJw)
Barring the lack of an atmosphere, I wonder if you could build a line city right on the transition point between the two sides.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:36 PM (1Z8zZ)
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This is the most boring troll in years.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 08, 2023 01:37 PM (RIvkX)
330
AOC calling for a cease-fire.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (63Dwl)
Fine.
After Ukraine. Pull everything out, all the money, material, weapons, men... everything.
Then we'll talk to the Israelis about a cease fire.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (63Dwl)
Fine.
After Ukraine. Pull everything out, all the money, material, weapons, men... everything.
Then we'll talk to the Israelis about a cease fire.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:37 PM (QBaJw)
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Brave Sir Robin @311
Cool!
In Desert Storm the Army had a total of ten UAVs. Five went to the 18th Corps and five came to 7th Corps. I (at 7th Corps Arty) was given responsibility to task them to find targets. Hugely successful!!! And I wrote in my AAR these would become a big deal in the future.
Cool!
In Desert Storm the Army had a total of ten UAVs. Five went to the 18th Corps and five came to 7th Corps. I (at 7th Corps Arty) was given responsibility to task them to find targets. Hugely successful!!! And I wrote in my AAR these would become a big deal in the future.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:38 PM (uSHSS)
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Just like a McDLT
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (63Dwl)
Sad but true.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (63Dwl)
Sad but true.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:39 PM (QBaJw)
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Do you get paid by Hamas, or directly by Iran?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2023 01:33 PM (3dEij)
Don't be an ass. There is no way that this was a "surprise attack".
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2023 01:33 PM (3dEij)
Don't be an ass. There is no way that this was a "surprise attack".
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update
Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at October 08, 2023 01:39 PM (PWI4f)
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I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
LOL, who in their right mind would take them? Not the Egyptians for sure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi)
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Send them to the west bank. And then tell Abbas the next terror strike he and all his family no matter how distantly related are dead.
Or you can sign this document. Total recognition of Israel, complete re-writing of all your propaganda educational materials, the "military" leaders of Fatah and Hamas delivered to Israel and an open call for all of the middle eastern countries to recognize Israel.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)
LOL, who in their right mind would take them? Not the Egyptians for sure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:16 PM (pmmLi)
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Send them to the west bank. And then tell Abbas the next terror strike he and all his family no matter how distantly related are dead.
Or you can sign this document. Total recognition of Israel, complete re-writing of all your propaganda educational materials, the "military" leaders of Fatah and Hamas delivered to Israel and an open call for all of the middle eastern countries to recognize Israel.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 01:40 PM (UVyKP)
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AOC calling for a cease-fire.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Her execrable Squad partner in a turban wants international intervention to protect Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli attacks.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Her execrable Squad partner in a turban wants international intervention to protect Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli attacks.
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:40 PM (5fDan)
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It’s all supposedly non partisan so there’s no official party breakdown. But they’re all democrats. And they keep getting re elected.
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The geos that keep electing them are, I'm sure, the highest concentration of college "educated," wine-Karen's in your state. They keep the suburbs blue.
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The geos that keep electing them are, I'm sure, the highest concentration of college "educated," wine-Karen's in your state. They keep the suburbs blue.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:41 PM (7Fj9P)
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Urine, feces and violent killers -- truly, our shithole cities offer a rich pastiche of experiences for those bold enough to embrace the experience!
Urine, feces and violent killers -- truly, our shithole cities offer a rich pastiche of experiences for those bold enough to embrace the experience!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2023 01:42 PM (OwC01)
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Her execrable Squad partner in a turban wants international intervention to protect Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli attacks.
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:40 PM (5fDan)
But only after she gets done licking Matt Gaetz' taint.
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:40 PM (5fDan)
But only after she gets done licking Matt Gaetz' taint.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:42 PM (QBaJw)
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Thomas Friedman at NYT is really concerned about the Israeli slaughter. Oh not because 700 people are dead. I mean yeah that was bad but you know, whatever. No, his main concern is that this may mean less aid to Ukraine. That’s the real tragedy.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 01:44 PM (v3Rvx)
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Her execrable Squad partner in a turban wants international intervention to protect Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli attacks.
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:40 PM (5fDan)
I shoulda provided a link
https://tinyurl.com/bdh269av
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:40 PM (5fDan)
I shoulda provided a link
https://tinyurl.com/bdh269av
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:44 PM (5fDan)
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Her execrable Squad partner in a turban wants international intervention to protect Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli attacks.
Posted by: GL
What does the dog turd from Dearborn, who had a supporter in her office relabel Israel to "Palestine" on her wall map, want? Rashida Talib, I believe she is.
Her execrable Squad partner in a turban wants international intervention to protect Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli attacks.
Posted by: GL
What does the dog turd from Dearborn, who had a supporter in her office relabel Israel to "Palestine" on her wall map, want? Rashida Talib, I believe she is.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2023 01:44 PM (OwC01)
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Her execrable Squad partner in a turban wants international intervention to protect Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli attacks.
Posted by: GL
It should be leveled
Her execrable Squad partner in a turban wants international intervention to protect Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli attacks.
Posted by: GL
It should be leveled
Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2023 01:45 PM (bs+z0)
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Thomas Friedman, the Strong and Clear Voice for Taxi Drivers, Everywhere.
Thomas Friedman, the Strong and Clear Voice for Taxi Drivers, Everywhere.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2023 01:45 PM (OwC01)
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Quote from NYT’s Friedman:
“border is only 37 miles long, but the shock waves this war will unleash will not only thrust Israel and the Palestinians of Gaza into turmoil but will also slam into Ukraine and Saudi Arabia and most likely Iran. Why? Any prolonged Israel-Hamas war could divert more U.S. military equipment needed by Kyiv to Tel Aviv”.
The horror man!! The horror.
“border is only 37 miles long, but the shock waves this war will unleash will not only thrust Israel and the Palestinians of Gaza into turmoil but will also slam into Ukraine and Saudi Arabia and most likely Iran. Why? Any prolonged Israel-Hamas war could divert more U.S. military equipment needed by Kyiv to Tel Aviv”.
The horror man!! The horror.
Posted by: Montec at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (v3Rvx)
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I don't think we should be suggesting genocide here in Ace's Home. Just saying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:33 PM (pmmLi)
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I don't think anyone here WANTS to see it happen.
But one way or another it most likely WILL happen. Entire races/tribes/ethnicities have been wiped off the face of the Earth before. It will happen again.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (BpYfr)
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Nor does it need to happen in this war. But Israel must shift to a total war footing and fight as such. They must not defeat Hamas. They must totally destroy them, what ever it takes. That does not require genocide. But it does require a complete and unequivocal defeat of the palis.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:33 PM (pmmLi)
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I don't think anyone here WANTS to see it happen.
But one way or another it most likely WILL happen. Entire races/tribes/ethnicities have been wiped off the face of the Earth before. It will happen again.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 08, 2023 01:34 PM (BpYfr)
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Nor does it need to happen in this war. But Israel must shift to a total war footing and fight as such. They must not defeat Hamas. They must totally destroy them, what ever it takes. That does not require genocide. But it does require a complete and unequivocal defeat of the palis.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (uSHSS)
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Headline in the WSJ online today:
"Israel Struggles to Expel Hamas Intruders and Secure Border"
Intruders?? Not even "armed intruders"? How about "armed attackers", or "armed capture and kill squads" or...
Pathetic. My subscription ends.
"Israel Struggles to Expel Hamas Intruders and Secure Border"
Intruders?? Not even "armed intruders"? How about "armed attackers", or "armed capture and kill squads" or...
Pathetic. My subscription ends.
Posted by: JM in illinois, behold the Manchurian President at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (a6LXu)
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And I wrote in my AAR these would become a big deal in the future.
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As far as weapons platforms, the right now is limited use case, IMO. They are good/great for precision strikes. I think their real utility (currently) is in observation and survey. EMusk and other future thinkers think there will be limited manned applications in the future. I think a meat computer is best in times of war, though.
At least for now.
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As far as weapons platforms, the right now is limited use case, IMO. They are good/great for precision strikes. I think their real utility (currently) is in observation and survey. EMusk and other future thinkers think there will be limited manned applications in the future. I think a meat computer is best in times of war, though.
At least for now.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (7Fj9P)
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Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at October 08, 2023 01:39 PM (PWI4f)
You are either an Iranian propagandist or a lunatic conspiracy theorist with no understanding of Israel.
You are either an Iranian propagandist or a lunatic conspiracy theorist with no understanding of Israel.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (3dEij)
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Good thread, Buck. Thanks.
Everyone wants to believe they can outrun social "problems." Money might buy you time but you won't, imho. Not anymore.
Know how so many of you like to scream on PA. Well, TN is much like PA, if not identical, in laws. It was the #2 state on my wish list to flee to, not even all that many years ago. Lovely states, very nice people - depending - and especially as 'society' is changing ever so quickly.
What's going on PA is a bit different than TN where so many northeasterners, lots of Californians are going. But there's also the undocumented immigrants living in motels along the Interstates & working in return for housing, etc. So, no difference in social woes but picking up wealth and retirees.
Tennessee|SPLC reports: In 2022, 33 hate and antigovernment groups were tracked in Tennessee.
The Tennessean, July '23: Tennessee's problem is not 'wokeness.' It's white supremacy. And, MSNBC, 2 days ago: A small-town Tennessee Nazi scandal highlights a very big national problem. Over the last several years, multiple Trump-loving politicians and some government officials have been linked with white supremacists.
Woke
Everyone wants to believe they can outrun social "problems." Money might buy you time but you won't, imho. Not anymore.
Know how so many of you like to scream on PA. Well, TN is much like PA, if not identical, in laws. It was the #2 state on my wish list to flee to, not even all that many years ago. Lovely states, very nice people - depending - and especially as 'society' is changing ever so quickly.
What's going on PA is a bit different than TN where so many northeasterners, lots of Californians are going. But there's also the undocumented immigrants living in motels along the Interstates & working in return for housing, etc. So, no difference in social woes but picking up wealth and retirees.
Tennessee|SPLC reports: In 2022, 33 hate and antigovernment groups were tracked in Tennessee.
The Tennessean, July '23: Tennessee's problem is not 'wokeness.' It's white supremacy. And, MSNBC, 2 days ago: A small-town Tennessee Nazi scandal highlights a very big national problem. Over the last several years, multiple Trump-loving politicians and some government officials have been linked with white supremacists.
Woke
Posted by: L - It's only a 5 1/2 hour drive from home to East Palestine, OH at October 08, 2023 01:47 PM (GshMh)
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I agree Diogenes, in circumstances like this you sadly have to regard any hostages as already dead, and refuse to allow the enemy any leverage from using them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:47 PM (S6gqv)
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IIRC, there are still some brick and stone shot cooling towers around from Civil War days. I'd love to witness the process. Also, if you ever get a chance to tour a glass bottle making facility, check it out.
It's a fascinating process.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:35 PM (7Fj9P)
I read in one of the trade magazines that there was a 400 ft tall cliff in GA somewhere over a river that the south actually dropped musket balls off of. Having tried so hard to just get to .130 I can't fathom doing .50. They found a bunch in the sand though.
The benefits of dropped vs cast is no heavy side straighter shooting balls.
It's a fascinating process.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:35 PM (7Fj9P)
I read in one of the trade magazines that there was a 400 ft tall cliff in GA somewhere over a river that the south actually dropped musket balls off of. Having tried so hard to just get to .130 I can't fathom doing .50. They found a bunch in the sand though.
The benefits of dropped vs cast is no heavy side straighter shooting balls.
Posted by: Reforger at October 08, 2023 01:48 PM (xma02)
Posted by: davidt at October 08, 2023 01:49 PM (SYTee)
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They never call for a cease fire. It is always a hudna. That means let's take a break because we are getting our asses kicked, give us time to regroup
Every intifada ended with a hudna
Every intifada ended with a hudna
Posted by: Ben Had at October 08, 2023 01:49 PM (Ry0AR)
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Nor does it need to happen in this war. But Israel must shift to a total war footing and fight as such. They must not defeat Hamas. They must totally destroy them, what ever it takes. That does not require genocide. But it does require a complete and unequivocal defeat of the palis.
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It rather depends on the behavior of the Gazans. Do they get out of the way, or do they make themselves and their residences legitimate targets by tossing molotov cocktails like the Ukrainians did?
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It rather depends on the behavior of the Gazans. Do they get out of the way, or do they make themselves and their residences legitimate targets by tossing molotov cocktails like the Ukrainians did?
Posted by: Methos at October 08, 2023 01:49 PM (Dnobf)
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Jim Jordan Calls for Israel to Be Provided Resources to Destroy Hamas
That's great Jimbo. Does this mean you will cutoff funds going to the Uke?
I trust this guy as much as I trust !jeb Bush.
That's great Jimbo. Does this mean you will cutoff funds going to the Uke?
I trust this guy as much as I trust !jeb Bush.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 08, 2023 01:50 PM (l10hq)
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The benefits of dropped vs cast is no heavy side straighter shooting balls.
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No mold flanges either? At least dropped shot wouldn't have to be deburred. Or deflanged?
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No mold flanges either? At least dropped shot wouldn't have to be deburred. Or deflanged?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:50 PM (7Fj9P)
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Fuck optics. Put em in trains and send them east. They, and their brothers and cousins, can be against the strangers there.
Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at October 08, 2023 01:51 PM (Vvh2V)
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I agree Diogenes, in circumstances like this you sadly have to regard any hostages as already dead, and refuse to allow the enemy any leverage from using them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:47 PM (S6gqv)
Yes, we are going to have to harden our hearts to the task at hand.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:47 PM (S6gqv)
Yes, we are going to have to harden our hearts to the task at hand.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:52 PM (pmmLi)
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The soft-on-crime attitude is escapism: there are no bad people out there that I need to confront and control. There are just people who have been mistreated by "those people". If I end the mistreatment, then nothing bad will happen to me and I'll never have to confront anyone.
Posted by: Tom at October 08, 2023 01:52 PM (Bl/ul)
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@48
>>Worst intelligence failure in Israel's history.
Someone knew, they will just claim they lacked the imagination to understand what they were witnessing.
Or alternatively...
Everything is an Op.
Everything is Bullshit.
>>Worst intelligence failure in Israel's history.
Someone knew, they will just claim they lacked the imagination to understand what they were witnessing.
Or alternatively...
Everything is an Op.
Everything is Bullshit.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 08, 2023 01:52 PM (+DNDG)
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>>Or alternatively...
Everything is an Op.
Everything is Bullshit.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
I go with option 2. Life is cheap in the ME.
Everything is an Op.
Everything is Bullshit.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
I go with option 2. Life is cheap in the ME.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 08, 2023 01:54 PM (l10hq)
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Thomas Friedman, the Strong and Clear Voice for Taxi Drivers, Everywhere.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2023 01:45 PM (OwC01)
Taxi drivers who are always driving him to a small, quaint, little-known restaurant with excellent local food in a foreign land, frequented by diplomats, intelligentsia, and foreign correspondents, where he will lunch with a foreign diplomat and develop easy-peasy solutions to the world's problems.
Thomas Friedman, the Strong and Clear Voice for Taxi Drivers, Everywhere.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2023 01:45 PM (OwC01)
Taxi drivers who are always driving him to a small, quaint, little-known restaurant with excellent local food in a foreign land, frequented by diplomats, intelligentsia, and foreign correspondents, where he will lunch with a foreign diplomat and develop easy-peasy solutions to the world's problems.
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:55 PM (5fDan)
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Yes, we are going to have to harden our hearts to the task at hand.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:52 PM (pmmLi)
And not listen to the demands for 'evenhandedness' and 'measured responses' that have always been demanded by the international community in all the previous attacks against Israel.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2023 01:52 PM (pmmLi)
And not listen to the demands for 'evenhandedness' and 'measured responses' that have always been demanded by the international community in all the previous attacks against Israel.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at October 08, 2023 01:57 PM (l7Kbv)
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There's a 120 ft. tall shot tower in Dubuque. Last one left west of the Mississippi.
https://www.cityofdubuque.org/ImageRepository/
Document?documentID=49157
https://www.cityofdubuque.org/ImageRepository/
Document?documentID=49157
Posted by: creeper at October 08, 2023 01:57 PM (cTCuP)
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Headline in the WSJ online today:
"Israel Struggles to Expel Hamas Intruders and Secure Border"
Intruders?? Not even "armed intruders"? How about "armed attackers", or "armed capture and kill squads" or...
Pathetic. My subscription ends.
Posted by: JM in illinois, behold the Manchurian President at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (a6LXu)
Kinda surprised they didn't call them "migrants".
"Israel Struggles to Expel Hamas Intruders and Secure Border"
Intruders?? Not even "armed intruders"? How about "armed attackers", or "armed capture and kill squads" or...
Pathetic. My subscription ends.
Posted by: JM in illinois, behold the Manchurian President at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (a6LXu)
Kinda surprised they didn't call them "migrants".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:58 PM (1Z8zZ)
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No mold flanges either? At least dropped shot wouldn't have to be deburred. Or deflanged?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:50 PM (7Fj9P)
We polished ours. Producing billions at a time there are defects. Our process removed anything not perfectly round and once polished it was awesome. First time you see a 55 gallon drum full of 8 shot you just want a pool full to swim in.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:50 PM (7Fj9P)
We polished ours. Producing billions at a time there are defects. Our process removed anything not perfectly round and once polished it was awesome. First time you see a 55 gallon drum full of 8 shot you just want a pool full to swim in.
Posted by: Reforger at October 08, 2023 01:58 PM (xma02)
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Kan News reporter Amichai Stein reported that the American aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford, which carries approximately 75 fighter jets, is en route to Israel's shores, together with its accompanying fleet.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:59 PM (1Z8zZ)
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Taxi drivers who are always driving him to a small, quaint, little-known restaurant with excellent local food in a foreign land, frequented by diplomats, intelligentsia, and foreign correspondents, where he will lunch with a foreign diplomat and develop easy-peasy solutions to the world's problems.
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:55 PM (5fDan)
There's always the question of, to what extent is Friedman an "asset" of the so-called intelligence community. Is he on the payroll, or does he just get access to people and info that the CIA (and/or other entities) want put out there.
From the most charitable angle, he is at the very least a useful idiot.
Posted by: GL at October 08, 2023 01:55 PM (5fDan)
There's always the question of, to what extent is Friedman an "asset" of the so-called intelligence community. Is he on the payroll, or does he just get access to people and info that the CIA (and/or other entities) want put out there.
From the most charitable angle, he is at the very least a useful idiot.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 01:59 PM (QBaJw)
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WE HAVE A FIRST
Posted by: Skip at October 08, 2023 02:01 PM (fwDg9)
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Nood. First World Problems.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 02:01 PM (1Z8zZ)
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Pathetic. My subscription ends.
Posted by: JM in illinois, behold the Manchurian President at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (a6LXu)
Kinda surprised they didn't call them "migrants".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:58 PM (1Z8zZ)
Yes, intruders don't have coordinated missile and drone and ground troops. Neither do "terrorists."
Armies do.
Posted by: JM in illinois, behold the Manchurian President at October 08, 2023 01:46 PM (a6LXu)
Kinda surprised they didn't call them "migrants".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 08, 2023 01:58 PM (1Z8zZ)
Yes, intruders don't have coordinated missile and drone and ground troops. Neither do "terrorists."
Armies do.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 08, 2023 02:01 PM (QBaJw)
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I agree Diogenes, in circumstances like this you sadly have to regard any hostages as already dead, and refuse to allow the enemy any leverage from using them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:47 PM (S6gqv)
Israel needs to go Old Testament on the Palis. No quarter given. Bomb the mosques and hospitals if they're being used for military purposes (as I'm sure they are).
Disregard the use of human shields. If the Palis want to sacrifice their children, then let them be sacrificed. If they use Israeli hostages, then harden the hearts of the Israeli leaders and soldiers and ignore them too.
War is hell.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2023 01:47 PM (S6gqv)
Israel needs to go Old Testament on the Palis. No quarter given. Bomb the mosques and hospitals if they're being used for military purposes (as I'm sure they are).
Disregard the use of human shields. If the Palis want to sacrifice their children, then let them be sacrificed. If they use Israeli hostages, then harden the hearts of the Israeli leaders and soldiers and ignore them too.
War is hell.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 08, 2023 02:02 PM (BdMk6)
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> the American aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford, which carries approximately 75 fighter jets, is en route to Israel's shores
to do what
to do what
Posted by: DB - at October 08, 2023 02:03 PM (geLO8)
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Most of this appears to be a concerted multipart campaign to cause breakdown and chaos, at the bidding of the shadowy figures who actually issue orders. Perhaps the affinity of the "elite" for Stanish things is a sign that they are Stan controlled or Stan believers. It is SO typical of the ivory tower mentality that people who only have positions due to a high civilization society think they can degrade it majorly and retain their positions. Warlords they ain't and warlords are who rule a low civilization society.
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 08, 2023 12:16 PM (3/XaG)
This "let's decriminalize criminality (Yay!)" certainly seems to tie-in to a rejection of God being an arbiter of Perfect Justice. These people have substituted a weird, distorted quasi-mercy instead.
The result is at the expense of the innocent.
Posted by: Azjaeger at October 08, 2023 12:16 PM (3/XaG)
This "let's decriminalize criminality (Yay!)" certainly seems to tie-in to a rejection of God being an arbiter of Perfect Justice. These people have substituted a weird, distorted quasi-mercy instead.
The result is at the expense of the innocent.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 08, 2023 02:04 PM (pJWtt)
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364 There's a 120 ft. tall shot tower in Dubuque. Last one left west of the Mississippi.
https://www.cityofdubuque.org/ImageRepository/
Document?documentID=49157
Posted by: creeper at October 08, 2023 01:57 PM (cTCuP)
Huh...
West Coast Shot's tower is still there. Moundhouse NV.
Inop and under private ownership. I'm a friend of the owner. He won't let me climb it and have a beer. Something bullshit about insurance.
Unless they are talking about brick towers. My phone won't open the page.
https://www.cityofdubuque.org/ImageRepository/
Document?documentID=49157
Posted by: creeper at October 08, 2023 01:57 PM (cTCuP)
Huh...
West Coast Shot's tower is still there. Moundhouse NV.
Inop and under private ownership. I'm a friend of the owner. He won't let me climb it and have a beer. Something bullshit about insurance.
Unless they are talking about brick towers. My phone won't open the page.
Posted by: Reforger at October 08, 2023 02:05 PM (xma02)
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First time you see a 55 gallon drum full of 8 shot you just want a pool full to swim in.
Posted by: Reforger at October 08, 2023 01:58 PM (xma02)
We had a shot harvester comb our trap and skeet range. My buddy and I walked up to a 55 gallon barrel of shot that was sitting on a pallet. "Let's steal this," I said. "What?" he said, shocked. "We'll pick it up and throw it in the back of your quarter-ton truck and take off!"
Then I laughed. That barrel would have weighed 4000 lbs.
Posted by: Reforger at October 08, 2023 01:58 PM (xma02)
We had a shot harvester comb our trap and skeet range. My buddy and I walked up to a 55 gallon barrel of shot that was sitting on a pallet. "Let's steal this," I said. "What?" he said, shocked. "We'll pick it up and throw it in the back of your quarter-ton truck and take off!"
Then I laughed. That barrel would have weighed 4000 lbs.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 08, 2023 02:06 PM (F1Gu6)
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I'm not a drone expert but from what I've read there are at least a couple of different types. One type must have constant radio contact with the controller to do its mission. These are easier to disrupt with jamming. The other are pre programmed for their targets and don't require radio contact and usually don't return.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at October 08, 2023 02:08 PM (MeG8a)
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Don't know if covered previously but, this AM, Tom Friedman was interviewed by F. Zakaria (CNN) and, of course, the conversation was towards the Israeli War.
Friedman (in brief): The Defense Minister's position (Supreme Court) fractured the nation; There needs to be a breakup of the cabinet, and Stop playing politics & build unity.
I don't care one iota for Friedman and tempered his televised interview statements a bit here.
Do bet that Friedman's words will be much debated in this country this week.
----
PS - The Times of Israel is live. Current reports include; "Family members of those missing beg for info as death toll in Israel continues to climb"
Hamas says 413 Palentinians killed in Gaze Strip so far, 2 min ago.
Pro-Palestinian protest of several hundred in New York, support terror onslaught , 3 min ago.
Pentagon says US sending munitions, equipment to Israel, redirecting aircraft carrier, 8 min ago.
3 UK citizens are either missing or dead, their families say, 11 min ago.
Friedman (in brief): The Defense Minister's position (Supreme Court) fractured the nation; There needs to be a breakup of the cabinet, and Stop playing politics & build unity.
I don't care one iota for Friedman and tempered his televised interview statements a bit here.
Do bet that Friedman's words will be much debated in this country this week.
----
PS - The Times of Israel is live. Current reports include; "Family members of those missing beg for info as death toll in Israel continues to climb"
Hamas says 413 Palentinians killed in Gaze Strip so far, 2 min ago.
Pro-Palestinian protest of several hundred in New York, support terror onslaught , 3 min ago.
Pentagon says US sending munitions, equipment to Israel, redirecting aircraft carrier, 8 min ago.
3 UK citizens are either missing or dead, their families say, 11 min ago.
Posted by: L - It's only a 5 1/2 hour drive from home to East Palestine, OH at October 08, 2023 02:09 PM (GshMh)
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"It never made any sense for Biden to leave billions of dollars of weapons behind in Afghanistan. He's an idiot but that was stupid even for him.
It makes sense now."
Doesn't it though.
It makes sense now."
Doesn't it though.
Posted by: pawn at October 08, 2023 02:10 PM (5g9YU)
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>>>IIRC, there are still some brick and stone shot cooling towers around from Civil War days. I'd love to witness the process. Also, if you ever get a chance to tour a glass bottle making facility, check it out.
It's a fascinating process.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:35 PM (7Fj9P)
The Shot Tower is still standing in Dubuque. Think there may be a brewery as a part of it now. But don't quote me on the latter.
It's a fascinating process.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 08, 2023 01:35 PM (7Fj9P)
The Shot Tower is still standing in Dubuque. Think there may be a brewery as a part of it now. But don't quote me on the latter.
Posted by: Joe Manchin at October 08, 2023 02:10 PM (hxUlu)
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Off "chin" sock
Posted by: Turn 2 at October 08, 2023 02:11 PM (hxUlu)
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>>>It never made any sense for Biden to leave billions of dollars of weapons behind in Afghanistan. He's an idiot but that was stupid even for him.
=====
Probably made sense to a lot of defense contractors.
----Eisenhower (probably)
=====
Probably made sense to a lot of defense contractors.
----Eisenhower (probably)
Posted by: Turn 2 at October 08, 2023 02:13 PM (hxUlu)
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AOC calling for a cease-fire.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (63Dwl)
Ok. I'm going to punch you in the face and then, call for a cease fire. That's how it works? Go back to giving handies in the mens room.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 01:32 PM (63Dwl)
Ok. I'm going to punch you in the face and then, call for a cease fire. That's how it works? Go back to giving handies in the mens room.
Posted by: thatcrazyguy now with twice the crazy at October 08, 2023 02:21 PM (h4nev)
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This "let's decriminalize criminality (Yay!)" certainly seems to tie-in to a rejection of God being an arbiter of Perfect Justice. These people have substituted a weird, distorted quasi-mercy instead.
The result is at the expense of the innocent.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 08, 2023 02:04 PM (pJWtt)
==
This never holds though. Eventually the populace demands something be done. The longer you wait, the more draconian will be the response.
The result is at the expense of the innocent.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 08, 2023 02:04 PM (pJWtt)
==
This never holds though. Eventually the populace demands something be done. The longer you wait, the more draconian will be the response.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 02:22 PM (UVyKP)
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I suppose the Tn. Gov just can't put a proud black man in prison (where he belongs) for cultural reasons.
Posted by: Eromero at October 08, 2023 02:35 PM (NxC5+)
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at October 08, 2023 02:48 PM (+o6KZ)
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This never holds though. Eventually the populace demands something be done. The longer you wait, the more draconian will be the response.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 02:22 PM (UVyKP)
I don't disagree.
I was trying to the make the point that there seems be a deeper reason for the "elite's" complete disregard to public safety. Why the solicitude for the really violent, $h!tty criminals?
Mercy and Justice have been distorted. Spiritually, something very dark is going on.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 08, 2023 02:22 PM (UVyKP)
I don't disagree.
I was trying to the make the point that there seems be a deeper reason for the "elite's" complete disregard to public safety. Why the solicitude for the really violent, $h!tty criminals?
Mercy and Justice have been distorted. Spiritually, something very dark is going on.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 08, 2023 02:50 PM (pJWtt)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 08, 2023 03:16 PM (V8he0)
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I apologize if this has already been pointed out, but The Donald was/is very proud of his efforts at "criminal justice reform." It's nothing but pandering for votes from actual criminals.
Posted by: Erik In Texas at October 08, 2023 03:34 PM (wqOrC)
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We had to move back to Chattanooga a few years ago. I lived in this town 42 years, left it for 19, and came back to, surprise, another liberal shit city.
Rather than deal with real issues, like say, oh, murders and violent crime, our politicians and many citizens are off in pursuit of such noble causes as becoming one of the so called 15 minute cities.
Chattanooga gets a lot of good press, for example being named recently a number one retirement destination. We live in an area of unparalleled beauty, and there are indeed many great things about our city.
But, in the end, liberals ruin paradise everywhere for everyone.
Rather than deal with real issues, like say, oh, murders and violent crime, our politicians and many citizens are off in pursuit of such noble causes as becoming one of the so called 15 minute cities.
Chattanooga gets a lot of good press, for example being named recently a number one retirement destination. We live in an area of unparalleled beauty, and there are indeed many great things about our city.
But, in the end, liberals ruin paradise everywhere for everyone.
Posted by: Menagerie at October 08, 2023 03:39 PM (n/MLA)
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Very late to thread, but I have a point.
If criminal is in prison, one set of individuals can profit off him - the people running the prison.
If criminal is on street, you have social workers, drug rehab workers, housing assistance workers, inevitably victim support workers....
And lets not leave out the whole criminal justice industry employees. One criminal on the street keeps a dozen government workers employed, and justifies hundreds of thousands in tax dollars spent.
Keeping these people in prison is like a farmer keeping his fields fallow.
If criminal is in prison, one set of individuals can profit off him - the people running the prison.
If criminal is on street, you have social workers, drug rehab workers, housing assistance workers, inevitably victim support workers....
And lets not leave out the whole criminal justice industry employees. One criminal on the street keeps a dozen government workers employed, and justifies hundreds of thousands in tax dollars spent.
Keeping these people in prison is like a farmer keeping his fields fallow.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 08, 2023 03:41 PM (CmLhw)
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Time for one strike and you're out!
Posted by: Hank Archer at October 08, 2023 04:04 PM (rnCps)
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19 Wasn't Trump in to de-incarceration as well?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
Jared’s prison reform bill was a travesty.
It was for non violent crimes
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 08, 2023 12:05 PM (63Dwl)
Jared’s prison reform bill was a travesty.
It was for non violent crimes
Posted by: Gonzotx at October 08, 2023 04:44 PM (e6SsH)
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I'm assuming relocating the residents is not an option, for a variety of reasons, and not just the logistics of it.
Posted by: BurtTC
//
I remember the story about what the Palis lived in Jordan in refugee camps. They caused so much trouble there that the old king jumped in his jet and buzzed the camp until they all left. Nobody wants them.
Posted by: BurtTC
//
I remember the story about what the Palis lived in Jordan in refugee camps. They caused so much trouble there that the old king jumped in his jet and buzzed the camp until they all left. Nobody wants them.
Posted by: PJ at October 08, 2023 04:59 PM (G1dq6)
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I remember the story about what the Palis lived in Jordan in refugee camps. They caused so much trouble there that the old king jumped in his jet and buzzed the camp until they all left. Nobody wants them.
Posted by: PJ at October 08, 2023 04:59 PM (G1dq6)
South Pole is nice this time of the year.
Posted by: PJ at October 08, 2023 04:59 PM (G1dq6)
South Pole is nice this time of the year.
Posted by: thatcrazyguy now with twice the crazy at October 08, 2023 05:10 PM (h4nev)
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OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The U.S. Aircraft Carrier, USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-7 as well as the other Ships in Carrier Strike Group 12 which includes Ticonderoga-Class Cruiser USS Normandy (CG-60), as well as Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers USS Ramage (DDG-61), USS McFaul (DDG-74), and USS Thomas Hudner (DDG-116) are reportedly heading towards the Eastern Mediterranean in a “Show of Support” for Israel and to also assist with the possible Evacuation of U.S. Citizens from the Country if the need arises.
@sentdefender
The U.S. Aircraft Carrier, USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-7
as well as the other Ships in Carrier Strike Group 12 which includes Ticonderoga-Class Cruiser USS Normandy (CG-60), as well as Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers USS Ramage (DDG-61), USS McFaul (DDG-74), and USS Thomas Hudner (DDG-116) are reportedly heading towards the Eastern Mediterranean in a “Show of Support” for Israel and to also assist with the possible Evacuation of U.S. Citizens from the Country if the need arises.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 08, 2023 05:59 PM (TGPs7)
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Gee let's just kill this rapid vermin because the Gov. isn't going to charge us either, is he?
Posted by: Sally Ann at October 08, 2023 08:19 PM (EcD5Y)
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Based on the newspaper accounts clearly this choirboy was Amish.
Posted by: Fred at October 08, 2023 08:20 PM (EcD5Y)
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Disguated at the calls for genociding the Palestinians.
Your morality is,surprise,absolutely fixed on your ethnicity.
You whine about Biden and then propose measures that would shame even him and his luciferian regime.
Disgraceful.
Your morality is,surprise,absolutely fixed on your ethnicity.
You whine about Biden and then propose measures that would shame even him and his luciferian regime.
Disgraceful.
Posted by: Hebraic Morality at October 09, 2023 12:40 AM (j1YTi)
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Disguated is my way of typing disgusted . LOL.
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