Leftwing Illinois Governor Pritzker Writes Letter to Biden, Demanding "Intervention and Coordination" on the Border

llinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker on Monday fired off a letter to President Joe Biden about an "untenable" migrant crisis in the state, calling for an overhaul to the system and blasting the White House for a "lack of intervention and coordination at the border."
Pritzker, a Democrat, said the state's resources were beyond strained after Texas officials bused more than 15,000 migrants to Illinois in the past year.
"Unfortunately, the welcome and aid Illinois has been providing to these asylum seekers has not been matched with support by the federal government," Pritzker wrote. "Most critically, the federal government's lack of intervention and coordination at the border has created an untenable situation for Illinois."
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The administration has given the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois more than $46 million in grant funding to support recently arrived migrants, according to the White House.
"President Biden has repeatedly called on Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform since his first day in office. Without the help of Congress, the Administration has been taking action: since May 12, we have removed or returned over a quarter million individuals," White House spokesperson Angelo Fernández Hernández said in a statement.

The Democrats' only solution to unimpeded mass illegal immigration is to make it legal, turning it into unimpeded mass legal immigration. Presto! All fixed!

Fernández Hernández added that the administration has moved to accelerate processing of work permits. "We will continue to work closely with Illinois and states and cities across the country," he added.
Fueling the letter is what Pritzker described as a "humanitarian crisis" that strains adequate housing for people who are taking refuge in police stations and even on sidewalks, as well as medical help and other social services, he wrote.

Pritzker then argued that it's not fair for Texas to send its illegals to the sanctuary city of Chicago -- Texas must be forced to keep the illegal aliens that blue cities vote to let into the country!

[P]ritzker went further, asking that the federal government intervene by helping manage where migrants end up.
"Allowing just one state to lay the burden upon a certain few states run by Democrats is untenable," Pritzker wrote. "We are a nation that has welcomed immigrants and refugees since our founding, and we have done so in a bipartisan manner. It cannot be that just a few cities and states should now bear the cost of this effort alone."

Democrats are starting to feel the heat from their own constituents. Just a few days ago, a top advisor to NYC's mayor called upon the feds to close the borders.

A top advisor to Mayor Eric Adams on Sunday called for the federal government to "close the borders" in order to prevent more migrants from coming to New York City.
"We need the federal government, the Congress members, the Senate and the president to do its job: close the borders," Adams' senior advisor Ingrid Lewis-Martin said during an interview on PIX11. "And until you close the borders, you need to come up with a full-on decompression strategy where you can take all of our migrants and move them throughout all of our 50 states."
Lewis-Martin's comments marked an escalation in the rhetoric from the mayor's office surrounding the city's migrant crisis. City officials estimate more than 116,000 migrants -- primarily asylum-seekers -- have come to New York City since April 2022. Lewis-Martin said more than 61,000 migrants remain under the city's care.
The call to "close the borders" resembled comments made by several right-wing members of Congress who threatened to shut down the federal government if strict border policies were not included in a new funding bill. The lawmakers called for the return of a "remain in Mexico policy" instituted under former President Donald Trump that kept asylum-seekers from entering the country until their cases were processed in court.

New York's hag governess Kathy Hochul also said that the "border is too open," but was then pressured to fall back into line and support the open borders agenda.

Sunday, Gov. Hochul delivered a spot-on explanation for New York's current dilemma -- for how it came to be stuffed full of penniless border-hoppers.
The problem, she said, is the border itself: As in, "It's too open right now."
Which it obviously is. The consequences -- societal, fiscal and cultural -- also are obvious, and becoming more so.
But Hochul's candor -- aimed squarely at Washington, and at Joe Biden in particular -- clearly has had consequences too.
On Monday, she was warbling a different -- far more deferential -- tune. To wit:
"With respect to what was said about the border, I have called for a more thoughtful, balanced national immigration -- federal -- immigration policy."
Translation: "Oops, I sure stepped in it this time. Please don't hurt me."

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:33 PM

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1 Pritzker should cut off his dick first.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:33 PM (LvTSG)

2 Pritzker then argued that it's not fair for Texas to send its illegals to the sanctuary city of Chicago -- Texas must be forced to keep the illegal aliens that blue cities vote to let into the country!

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There was a vote on increasing illegal immigration? I must have missed that.

Or maybe it was just the administrative state making policy without statutory support, but that would never happen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:34 PM (LvTSG)

3 J.B. Pritzker is an asshole.

An Asshole.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 03, 2023 02:34 PM (0lY6Y)

4 Even Pakistan is trying to get rid of illegals, Afghan ones mind you but still.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:34 PM (krqg6)

5 Pritzker should cut off his dick first.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:33 PM (LvTSG)

Can he even see it?

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 03, 2023 02:35 PM (+J/Au)

6 I nooded before I posted. Because I'm a giver.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2023 02:35 PM (/iWhV)

7 The Statue of Liberty is so sad she's on suicide watch.

Posted by: 29Victor at October 03, 2023 02:35 PM (M+gBW)

8 the federal government's lack of intervention and coordination at the border has created an untenable situation for Illinois."

Fuck off.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 03, 2023 02:35 PM (9wVL0)

9 7 The Statue of Liberty is so sad she's on suicide watch.
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It's a poem.

It's the LAW!

🗽

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:37 PM (krqg6)

10 The true aim of the blue governors is to grift more money from the federal government. They don't care for the illegal aliens in their state nor their poorer citizens - it's just an opportunity for more grift.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2023 02:37 PM (gmo/4)

11 Allowing one state? Are you kidding me? TX is getting millions and Prtzker is screaming about a few thousand?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 03, 2023 02:37 PM (z5vMw)

12 "It cannot be that just a few cities and states should now bear the cost of this effort alone."
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You voted for it. YOU.

This is ALL on you, because you believed yourselves superior not only to those immigrants but to the rest of us as well.

Suck it up, buttercup.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2023 02:37 PM (YIVH2)

13 Pritzker can fuck himself.

Ugly blonde with a big rack and black boots on C-SPAN, in an aisle seat.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (ufFY8)

14 put Pritzker on the border, he can block a lot of it himself.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (CIS44)

15 blasting the White House for a "lack of intervention and coordination at the border."

This can't be correct. Kamala was put in charge of handling it, and what has she ever failed at?

Posted by: spindrift at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (G2KPu)

16 Pritzker??!!

Sounds Nazi-ish!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (wtvvX)

17 202-163 so far in the vote.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (ufFY8)

18 12 You voted for it. YOU.

This is ALL on you, because you believed yourselves superior not only to those immigrants but to the rest of us as well.

Suck it up, buttercup.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2023 02:37 PM (YIVH2)

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I want to see referendums on being a Sanctuary City in these places. Not that I would have much reason to trust the vote.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (LvTSG)

19 The Statue of Liberty is so sad she's on suicide watch.
Posted by: 29Victor at October 03, 2023 02:35 PM (M+gBW)

If NYC had real leadership, they would be shipping their illegals to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty. Tell the Feds they are their responsibility.

Posted by: WOPR at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (WFJRS)

20 Should have never put out that welcome mat, Pritzker

Posted by: Ben Had at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (ecYaF)

21 19 If NYC had real leadership, they would be shipping their illegals to Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty. Tell the Feds they are their responsibility.
Posted by: WOPR at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (WFJRS)

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Rhode Island.

It doesn't even exist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (LvTSG)

22 Ugly blonde with a big rack and black boots on C-SPAN, in an aisle seat.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (ufFY

Meggy Mac?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (wtvvX)

23 204-183

Go Dems!
Lol

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (ufFY8)

24 "It cannot be that just a few cities and states should now bear the cost of this effort alone."

*Texas has entered the chat

Posted by: rickb223 at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (9wVL0)

25 If Pritzker's hollering, hit him harder. Keep those buses Chicago-bound 24/7. Drive that wedge in.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (0FoWg)

26 2 Pritzker then argued that it's not fair for Texas to send its illegals to the sanctuary city of Chicago -- Texas must be forced to keep the illegal aliens that blue cities vote to let into the country!

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There was a vote on increasing illegal immigration? I must have missed that.

Or maybe it was just the administrative state making policy without statutory support, but that would never happen.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:34 PM (LvTSG)

They aren't Texas' illegals, they're Mexico's.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (KbCG3)

27 Meggy Mac?
Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (wtvvX)

Don't know.
MTG?

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (ufFY8)

28 25 If Pritzker's hollering, hit him harder. Keep those buses Chicago-bound 24/7. Drive that wedge in.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (0FoWg)

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But first, he should join the future he wants and cut off his own dick.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (LvTSG)

29 This is just extortion for more federal grant money.

Biden has a big pot of cash he is handing out to friends and family, and funding all his projects to destroy the country. These local dems see the end is near, and they want more cash for themselves to hand around.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (mB+XB)

30 -- primarily asylum-seekers --
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I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (bw5YC)

31 Pritzker then argued that it's not fair for Texas to send its illegals to the sanctuary city of Chicago -- Texas must be forced to keep the illegal aliens that blue cities vote to let into the country!

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This ties into the other reason, too.

The blue cities don't need illegals. They're supposed to be tipping House votes and infesting red areas. That's the entire point of them being let in en masse.

That and to justify inflating illegal vote totals like in Arizona:

"These statutory provisions and procedures prove significant because the audit revealed that 15,035 mail-in votes in Maricopa County were from voters who had moved prior to the registration deadline, another 6,591 mail-in-votes came from voters who had moved out of Arizona prior to the registration deadline, and 1,718 mail-in votes came from voters who moved within Arizona but out of Maricopa prior to the registration deadline."

https://tinyurl.com/yc72xv8z

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (DCtUF)

32 1 Pritzker should cut off his dick first.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:33 PM (LvTSG)

Decapitation it is!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (wtvvX)

33 Oh, no Oh, no it really didn't happen. Oh, no Oh, no it's not gonna' happen. Victor Davis Hanson in his talk with Carlson suggest possible alternatives, one, is for Biden to make it illegal to ship illegals out of TX. Two, border off TX from the rest of the US but still hold it subjugate.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (gVDpb)

34 I'm sure the open borders crowd has learned it's lesson.

Yep. I'm sure they have.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (ZGmUk)

35 Pritzker is asshoe!

Posted by: look whats not at October 03, 2023 02:40 PM (nakGR)

36 The Dems’ strategy is to scream loudly about how they are against the flood of illegals but to do NOTHING about it.

They want this. This is how they will destroy America from within.

Posted by: Czech Chick at October 03, 2023 02:41 PM (0rsFX)

37 I will admit that when Abbott and DeSatan started bussing illegals to blue cities, I scoffed at it as a stunt. But it's a stunt that friggin' worked. Watching the D mayors and governors wailing like bitches is the best thing this year.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 02:41 PM (nfrXX)

38 > the federal government's lack of intervention and coordination at the border has created an untenable situation for Illinois

Sounds like Pritzker isn't convinced by KJP and Mayorkas' constant claims that the border is closed.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2023 02:41 PM (R38qh)

39 They aren't Texas' illegals, they're Mexico's.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (KbCG3)
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Good point. Many of them, if not most, are simply passing through Mexico. So why isn't Mexico dealing with the problem? Should we follow their lead and send them to Canada?

Canada has huge tracts of land that have never been touched by human hands...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2023 02:41 PM (YIVH2)

40 Why doesn't he just put all the illegals in nursing homes?

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (m68In)

41 Should he and Buffet Boy have a sumo match?

Posted by: Hack at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (JnsHN)

42 I hope *biden holds strong on this. If it pisses off more leftists all the better.

The, how you say?... hypocrisy is stunning with this bunch.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (Q4IgG)

43 205-211...

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (ufFY8)

44 Is Pritzker saying hate does have a home in Illinois?

Posted by: Ripley at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (JojsZ)

45 The Statue of Liberty ist kaput.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (aD39U)

46 Good point. Many of them, if not most, are simply passing through Mexico.

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I still need to see some explanation on how someone can just take a walking tour through a country with nothing but a cell phone.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (DCtUF)

47 It's a poem.
It's the LAW!
🗽
Posted by: andycanuck

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But I don't want too!

Posted by: Nantucket resident at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (mB+XB)

48 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 20h
Absolutely amazing how quickly Democratic governors and mayors went from "The Statue of Liberty weeps at those who want to limit immigration -- this is not who we are" to "Biden must do more to stop immigrants immediately!" as soon as it was their towns and state affected.
[Pritzker link]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (krqg6)

49 I remember when the Soviet Union collapsed their "Supreme Soviet" or whatever collection of shitheads ran the country had to pass a resolution dissolving the USSR.

Which they did.

I want Congress to pass a resolution dissolving Congress.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (0lY6Y)

50 But first, he should join the future he wants and cut off his own dick.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for

In fairness it prly got a mold from his dunlop and rotted off years ago.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 03, 2023 02:43 PM (CIS44)

51 But it's a stunt that friggin' worked. Watching the D mayors and governors wailing like bitches is the best thing this year.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 02:41 PM (nfrXX)

I was the same way. The numbers are so small and yet the bastions of blue can't handle it.

Posted by: WOPR at October 03, 2023 02:43 PM (WFJRS)

52 Pritzker then argued that it's not fair for Texas to send its illegals to the sanctuary city of Chicago -- Texas must be forced to keep the illegal aliens that blue cities vote to let into the country!

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Make Sanctuary Cities Great Again!

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 02:43 PM (m68In)

53 Gavin Newsom and Laphonza Butler will be the 2024 Democrat presidential election ticket.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 03, 2023 02:43 PM (gVDpb)

54 205-215...
Lol

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:43 PM (ufFY8)

55 The Statue of Liberty ist kaput.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (aD39U)

That's disconcerting.

Posted by: spindrift at October 03, 2023 02:43 PM (G2KPu)

56 Pritzker wouldn't mind if more of the 'immigrants' were children he could mutilate. Too many adult males.

Posted by: Methos at October 03, 2023 02:43 PM (Dnobf)

57 206-216...

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (ufFY8)

58 Texas needs to declare its self a sovereign nation as is allowed under its constitution and declare war on Mexico.

It would never happen the political establishment in Texas doesn't have the guts.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (gmo/4)

59 Pritzker then argued that it's not fair for Texas to send its illegals to the sanctuary city of Chicago -- Texas must be forced to keep the illegal aliens that blue cities vote to let into the country!

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Suck it up Pritzker, if the SC can't stop States from fraudulent elections why should the SC stop *asylum seekers* from joining your actual citizens?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (bw5YC)

60 Pritzker should house all the migrants in his hotels. He could have them work off the rent as busboys and room cleaners!

Posted by: PJ at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (G1dq6)

61 37 I will admit that when Abbott and DeSatan started bussing illegals to blue cities, I scoffed at it as a stunt. But it's a stunt that friggin' worked. Watching the D mayors and governors wailing like bitches is the best thing this year.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 02:41 PM (nfrXX)

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I think the busing is actually a very small part of what's driving this.

Once inside the country, illegal immigrants have no borders between them and the places that promise them social services for simply being there. 100,000 in NYC isn't the work of Abbott. He's bused something like 8,000.

No, this is NYC inviting this upon themselves by actively working to make their policies as comfortable for illegals as possible. It's just reflective of the massive overall increase in illegal immigration we've seen now.

The busing bit draws some attention to it, but I suspect we'd be seeing largely the same thing happening now without it. It's a federal policy failure first and foremost.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (LvTSG)

62 Pritzker can go F himself.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (NpAcC)

63 48 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 20h
Absolutely amazing how quickly Democratic governors and mayors went from "The Statue of Liberty weeps at those who want to limit immigration -- this is not who we are" to "Biden must do more to stop immigrants immediately!" as soon as it was their towns and state affected.
[Pritzker link]
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (krqg6)

"The rich must pay their fair share of taxes!"

"I agree. Time to limit SALT."

"The rich don't deserve this treatment!"

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (KbCG3)

64 We are about to have mayhem in The House.

And the dems vote like lemmings. Not an independent thinker amongst them all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 03, 2023 02:45 PM (pVWRI)

65 Adams, Hochul, Pritzker et al always cite illegals being bussed by Abbott, but they gloss over the much higher numbers being transported by the federal government and government-sponsored NGO's. No one actually knows how many there are.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at October 03, 2023 02:45 PM (sWM8x)

66 48 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 20h
Absolutely amazing how quickly Democratic governors and mayors went from "The Statue of Liberty weeps at those who want to limit immigration -- this is not who we are" to "Biden must do more to stop immigrants immediately!" as soon as it was their towns and state affected.
[Pritzker link]
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (krqg6)

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$5 says that Greenwald is disappointed because he does believe in open borders and he wishes that Democrats would stand stronger in the face of challenges to his worldview.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:45 PM (LvTSG)

67 206-218

Mace voted to kill it.
Apparently there was a prayer meeting today.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:45 PM (ufFY8)

68 The Dems are voting with Gaetz

Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 02:46 PM (NpAcC)

69 Texas has only sent a fraction of the illegals these blue cities have. Typical lefty inability to determine cause and effect.

Posted by: Drive By at October 03, 2023 02:46 PM (MNhXM)

70 Correction, voted to kill the motion to table.

Fucking lingo.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:46 PM (ufFY8)

71 Federal law requires an asylum seeker may not gain a work permit for 150 days (usually referred to as half a year after administrative delays).

Posted by: SMOD at October 03, 2023 02:46 PM (RHGPo)

72 68 The Dems are voting with Gaetz
Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 02:46 PM (NpAcC)

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"This makes Gaetz the real RINO. Support McCarthy!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:46 PM (LvTSG)

73 205-211...

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (ufFY

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... whatever it takes.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 02:47 PM (m68In)

74 Pritzker can go F himself.
Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (NpAcC)

!

Posted by: JT at October 03, 2023 02:47 PM (T4tVD)

75 Why is Trump putting America in this bind?

Posted by: Karine Jean Pierre's Brain at October 03, 2023 02:47 PM (kFCpM)

76 I always thought Trump should have opened a large immigration processing center in Minnesota, right by the Canadian border. Ship illegals straight up I-35, house them in large tent cities while they await processing, but let them wander North into Canada at will. Same general principle.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 03, 2023 02:47 PM (JCZqz)

77 What is the vote for, please

Posted by: Ben Had at October 03, 2023 02:47 PM (ecYaF)

78 And the dems vote like lemmings. Not an independent thinker amongst them all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 03, 2023 02:45 PM (pVWRI)

Yeah, look at the lemmings.
Another reason to not vote Democrat.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:47 PM (ufFY8)

79 "The Dems’ strategy is to scream loudly about how they are against the flood of illegals but to do NOTHING about it.
Posted by: Czech Chick"

Yep. The Dems know the regional LIV's will never make the link to the Biden regime and vote against them. However, they will vote against Dem mayors and governors if they aren't seen as opposing the invasion. Even if it is just words and empty gestures, it will pacify them and they continue to vote Dem

Posted by: Ripley at October 03, 2023 02:47 PM (JojsZ)

80 So, that vote was the vote to table. So, we get another vote on the actual vote.

Gosh...I hate Congress.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:48 PM (LvTSG)

81 What is the vote for, please
Posted by: Ben Had a

whether to table ousting Mrs Luntz. The Nays have it

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 03, 2023 02:48 PM (CIS44)

82 Adams, Hochul, Pritzker et al always cite illegals being bussed by Abbott, but they gloss over the much higher numbers being transported by the federal government and government-sponsored NGO's. No one actually knows how many there are.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at October 03, 2023 02:45 PM (sWM8x)

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Those are likely being sent to conservative areas.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 02:49 PM (m68In)

83 Ok, now they will yap for an hour, then vote to remove McCarthy.

LOL.

"Clear the well, and the aisles."

This should be fun.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:49 PM (ufFY8)

84 I wouldn't mind seeing an impeachment angle approached from this direction, because it's easy to see actual laws broken, and they're laws affecting everyday people.

IIRC Biden has put 200K+ illegals on airplanes (no documentation to fly). That's not something that can be argued in any way. That is a crime.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at October 03, 2023 02:49 PM (XSoJN)

85 Translation: they want a bailout from the federal government and on-the-ground assistance in exporting the flood of illegal aliens from their urban bughives to rural and suburban America.

So in other words, whitey, you’re going to pay for your own ethnic cleansing and there’s nowhere you can run from it now.

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at October 03, 2023 02:49 PM (NfuYJ)

86 15 to 18 Pritzker-sized inflatables placed side by side could completely seal the border.

Posted by: Wally at October 03, 2023 02:49 PM (hqVaF)

87 #43

Nick Sortor @nicksortor 1h
🚨 JUST IN: Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries says "House Democratic leadership will vote YES on the pending Republican motion to vacate the chair" and remove @SpeakerMcCarthy

McCarthy was banking on some support from Democrats in order to maintain his position.

If all Democrats vote in favor of vacating, McCarthy can only afford to lose FIVE Republicans.

Things are NOT looking good for the Speaker.||

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:49 PM (krqg6)

88 coordination, uh, yeah.
- Lumpy Letterman

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at October 03, 2023 02:50 PM (scY5G)

89 What we need in congress is more beatings with canes.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2023 02:50 PM (gmo/4)

90 Rep Bob Good is delivering some red meat.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:50 PM (ufFY8)

91 This makes Gaetz the real RINO. Support McCarthy!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:46 PM (LvTSG)
*****

What's his plan B?

I just think he's a jerk.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 02:50 PM (NpAcC)

92 "Clear the well, and the aisles."

But I haven't got my water yet.

Posted by: bustle babe from the art thread at October 03, 2023 02:50 PM (G2KPu)

93 Adams, Hochul, Pritzker et al always cite illegals being bussed by Abbott, but they gloss over the much higher numbers being transported by the federal government and government-sponsored NGO's. No one actually knows how many there are.
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But it was always going to be the cities where the illegalls landed.

Every time in history, mass migrations--regardless of cause--end up in the cities.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 03, 2023 02:50 PM (bIzO/)

94 agree. Time to limit SALT."

"The rich don't deserve this treatment!"
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (KbCG3)
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The change in the SALT deduction made me laugh. Yeah, the change affected my wife and I, but, the screaming and gnashing of teeth by NY and CA was music to my ears.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 03, 2023 02:50 PM (z5vMw)

95 91 What's his plan B?

I just think he's a jerk.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 02:50 PM (NpAcC)

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I dunno. I just know that the House under McCarthy has folded on every major real fight.

So, might as well turn the House into something more entertaining.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:51 PM (LvTSG)

96 My MN rep, the "radical Republican" that replaced Michelle Bachman, Tom Emmer is voting for McCarthy. He already broke his promise to only serve ten years, because they promised him the Republican Whip position.

This is what happens to reformers. The swamp buys them off.

Posted by: rd at October 03, 2023 02:51 PM (3hDoa)

97 Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries says "House Democratic leadership will vote YES on the pending Republican motion to vacate the chair" and remove @SpeakerMcCarthy

Why would he state that before the vote? It might sway some weak Rs to stay with McCarthy.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2023 02:52 PM (gmo/4)

98

" the federal government's lack of intervention and coordination at the border has created an untenable situation for Illinois"

EXCELLENT.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at October 03, 2023 02:52 PM (UCNv1)

99 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Press Release (parody) @AOCpressTwo 7h
After Kevin McCarthy is removed, I'll be nominating Jamaal Bowman for Speaker of the House.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Press Release (parody) @AOCpressTwo 3h
You know who would make the best Speaker of the House?

Me.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Press Release (parody) @AOCpressTwo 1h
I can’t believe how many dumb people are in Congress.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:52 PM (krqg6)

100 Motion to table fails, so what's next?

An actual vote on Gaetz's motion?

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (R38qh)

101
What's his plan B?

I just think he's a jerk.

Posted by: redridinghood

McCarthy has been worthless, he didn't keep his promises.
Anyone will be just as good (meaning worthless) or better.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (bw5YC)

102 Texas needs to declare its self a sovereign nation as is allowed under its constitution and declare war on Mexico.

It would never happen the political establishment in Texas doesn't have the guts.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (gmo/4)

Yup. TX is NOT the the place so many people here think it is

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (BdMk6)

103 McCarthy just had to follow with his promises that got him elected and none of this would be happening. He decided against doing so with the CR where once again there is no hill to die on for some people.

Posted by: Drive By at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (MNhXM)

104
Adams' senior advisor Ingrid Lewis-Martin

I remember those Lewis-Martin movies.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (63Dwl)

105 Every time in history, mass migrations--regardless of cause--end up in the cities.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

Because there's nothing there for them in rural areas.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (9wVL0)

106 An actual vote on Gaetz's motion?
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (R38qh)

Yes.
Each side gets thirty minutes, then they vote.
Bob Good bringing it now.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (ufFY8)

107 Texas officials bused more than 15,000 migrants to Illinois in the past year.

What's that, a day's worth of the Texas invasion?

Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (CaJIi)

108 101 McCarthy has been worthless, he didn't keep his promises.
Anyone will be just as good (meaning worthless) or better.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (bw5YC)

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Embarrass the GOPe and prove that they cannot control anything anymore, even the inside baseball of Congress.

I'll take that, even if I still think Gaetz is some kind of grifter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:54 PM (LvTSG)

109 Hag in morticians makeup, Hochul, "The problem, she said, is the border itself: As in, "It's too open right now.""

Also The Hag, this weekend they granted work permits to almost 18,000 illegals aliens. They have no idea who these people are. They are also taking jobs from New Yorkers.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 02:54 PM (kLbP8)

110 Things are NOT looking good for the Speaker.||
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:49 PM (krqg6)

Good.

Fuck him.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 03, 2023 02:54 PM (0lY6Y)

111 103 McCarthy just had to follow with his promises that got him elected and none of this would be happening. He decided against doing so with the CR where once again there is no hill to die on for some people.

Posted by: Drive By at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (MNhXM)

Yeah, but did you see that press conference he gave where he confronted that reporter about Biden's crimes? Hooo dawgie!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 02:54 PM (KbCG3)

112 I continue to believe this has nothing to do with any actual desire to close the border or stop illegals from invading the country. This is all about getting a bigger slice of money. Cities want bigger slices from the states, states want bigger slices from the feds, and the feds want bigger slices from the taxpayers. Give that fat fuck Pritzker more money, and he'll quickly shut his pie- and dick-hole.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2023 02:54 PM (iFTx/)

113 Fernandez Hernandez' plan sez the Man Prez will get Kamala right on it!

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at October 03, 2023 02:55 PM (FXT2u)

114 Ship the next 100,000 wetbacks to San Clemente Island, CA.

You know. The one that's a Naval Gunnery Range.

No? Okay, then send all the NBC/CBS/ABC/CNN/PBS newsies there, instead. And the whole staff of the New York Times.

Let them eat goat.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 03, 2023 02:55 PM (e6UQI)

115 111 Yeah, but did you see that press conference he gave where he confronted that reporter about Biden's crimes? Hooo dawgie!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 02:54 PM (KbCG3)

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I swooned and decided to give him a chance!

No wait...I didn't. I saw it as empty theater and remembered that he folded on the debt ceiling without even a show of a fight.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:55 PM (LvTSG)

116 65 Adams, Hochul, Pritzker et al always cite illegals being bussed by Abbott, but they gloss over the much higher numbers being transported by the federal government and government-sponsored NGO's. No one actually knows how many there are.

.. Texas Governor Abbott bussed some 2,000 immigrants to New York, but they are dealing with 121,000 immigrants in New York City.

Not since the miracle of the loaves and the fishes has so much come from so little.

Posted by: SMOD at October 03, 2023 02:55 PM (RHGPo)

117 110 Things are NOT looking good for the Speaker.||
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:49 PM (krqg6)

He sucks.... Is there a chance the dems could take Speaker ?ordinarily I would say so what since I'm burned out on them but I want to continue the Biden impeachment inquiry

Posted by: It's me donna at October 03, 2023 02:55 PM (bs+z0)

118 I'll be *very* surprised if the GOP actually shanks a cuck in good standing.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (0FoWg)

119 Give me chaos in the House.
Fuck this orchestrated failure theater bullshit.
Bring goddamned bills to the House one at a time, very limited in scope, and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (ufFY8)

120 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 1m
BREAKING: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has lost the vote to block a motion to vacate the chair; 11 Republicans vote with Democrats to proceed.

Hot news @TheNewsTrending 2h
The US House of Representatives will vote on Republican Congressman Matt Gates' proposal to impeach House Speaker McCarthy at 8:30 p.m.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (krqg6)

121 It would never happen the political establishment in Texas doesn't have the guts.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (gmo/4)

Declare war on Mexico? There's also the little thing about not having an army to fight a war. The Nat Guard units are set up for support, NOT for any actual operations.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (i9ffA)

122
Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries says "House Democratic leadership will vote YES on the pending Republican motion to vacate the chair" and remove @SpeakerMcCarthy

Why would he state that before the vote? It might sway some weak Rs to stay with McCarthy.
Posted by: Archer

That just might be what he wants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (63Dwl)

123 118 I'll be *very* surprised if the GOP actually shanks a cuck in good standing.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (0FoWg)

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I think it'll only take 5 of 'em.

I'll take 5 grifters/honest men, whichever they happen to be, while partnering up with Democrats who are only in it for the lulz because partisanship.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (LvTSG)

124 The Statue of Liberty ist kaput.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 02:42 PM (aD39U)
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That's disconcerting.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 03, 2023 02:57 PM (ScR16)

125 100 Motion to table fails, so what's next?

An actual vote on Gaetz's motion?
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (R38qh)

Yes.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 02:57 PM (exHjb)

126 I put all of my faith and trust in elected politicians to look out for my best interest.

Posted by: It's my best hope at October 03, 2023 02:57 PM (p6G0l)

127 I have to point out that if Fat Pritzker wants to lobby Biden on the border the quicker route is to have his brother Jennifer (nee James) intercede with Barry to tell Biden what to do.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 03, 2023 02:57 PM (Wg6v7)

128 Of course they want to keep them in TX and AZ, the govt doesn't pay them there, so they are off the hook!

Send more.

Posted by: JayInAmes at October 03, 2023 02:57 PM (yGu6h)

129 Time to bring Trump in as speaker. LMFAO.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:57 PM (ufFY8)

130 It does not matter who is in power in Washington. DC is so unbelievably corrupt it swallows everyone, even those with the best of intentions.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (z5vMw)

131 Tom Cole, GOPe cuck talking now.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (ufFY8)

132 Seems to me that even if the Ds pitch in with Gaetz to unseat McCarthy, they sure as hell won't vote for anyone we would consider better. That could split the Rs and leave the Ds as the plurality to put Nan or whoever back in. Which might still be better than what we have now. Interesting times.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (nfrXX)

133 MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico’s president said Monday that about 10,000 migrants per day are heading to the U.S. border, and he blamed U.S. economic sanctions on countries like Cuba and Venezuela for the influx.

López Obrador seemed to join Colombian President Gustavo Petro in blaming the situation on U.S. sanctions on countries like Venezuela and Cuba, whose citizens make up a large part of the migrant flow. Experts say economic mismanagement and political repression are largely to blame for the tide of migrants leaving those countries.

The sanctions on Cuba need to be lifted. It serves no purpose other than harming people. It's stupid ridiculous outdated thinking from 60 years ago. It needs to be axed. And we need to allow Cuba's lung cancer vaccine in this country.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (JCZqz)

134 I think an R from a conservative state (where he could get primaried out and we'd still keep the seat, ala Cantor) is who we should have as speaker. Right now, a CA guy, who is not able to be primaried b/c his seat would automatically be lost and a guy who needs to tread the middle/left to keep it as is, is not who we want.

Dems never put up speakers now from Alabama. They go to NY/CA for their speakers. We should do the reverse.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 02:59 PM (exHjb)

135 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (LvTSG)

And they'd only replace him with a cuck of equal or lesser value, of course. But I just don't see the advantage for Renfield in this. I bet they won't even get 5.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 02:59 PM (0FoWg)

136 133 The sanctions on Cuba need to be lifted. It serves no purpose other than harming people. It's stupid ridiculous outdated thinking from 60 years ago. It needs to be axed. And we need to allow Cuba's lung cancer vaccine in this country.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (JCZqz)

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Cuba can only thrive by trading with the US?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:59 PM (LvTSG)

137 Wait...wait wait...

The FNM told me the illegals are just doing the jobs Americans won't do and that without them we'd be literally starving

Now a few more illegals go to our wealthiest cities and the local government is screaming they can't afford it...?

Was the FNM....lying?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:00 PM (XqcwY)

138 The caning of Charles Sumner, or the Brooks–Sumner Affair, occurred on May 22, 1856, in the United States Senate chamber, when Representative Preston Brooks, a pro-slavery Democrat from South Carolina, used a walking cane to attack Senator Charles Sumner, an abolitionist Republican from Massachusetts.

Historical Reference in Timely Fashion.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 03, 2023 03:00 PM (Wg6v7)

139 Sorry about the bad news.

Hot news @TheNewsTrending 3m
#BREAKING 2 US Army Soldiers Killed, 12 Injured, in Accident in Alaska

Vehicle accident in Alaska resulted in the deaths of two U.S. Army soldiers, with a dozen others, sustaining injuries, according to officials.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:00 PM (krqg6)

140 135 And they'd only replace him with a cuck of equal or lesser value, of course. But I just don't see the advantage for Renfield in this. I bet they won't even get 5.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 02:59 PM (0FoWg)

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Yeah, probably.

But the sequel to the Speaker Showdown, Speaker Showdown 2: Electric Bugaloo, is an unexpected, early fall surprise at the box office!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:00 PM (LvTSG)

141 Texas needs to declare its self a sovereign nation as is allowed under its constitution and declare war on Mexico.

It would never happen the political establishment in Texas doesn't have the guts.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2023 02:44 PM (gmo/4)

Yup. TX is NOT the the place so many people here think it is
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 02:53 PM (BdMk6)

AoS comment section... where the 1860s never happened.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 03, 2023 03:00 PM (zhLdt)

142 impeach House Speaker McCarthy at 8:30 p.m.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (krqg6)

Impeach? No. Vacate the chair.
8:30p? It will happen in an hour unless there is a recess.

Ugh, this cuck is really a fucking cuck (Tom Cole). What a dickhead.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 03:00 PM (ufFY8)

143 115 111 Yeah, but did you see that press conference he gave where he confronted that reporter about Biden's crimes? Hooo dawgie!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 02:54 PM (KbCG3)

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I swooned and decided to give him a chance!

No wait...I didn't. I saw it as empty theater and remembered that he folded on the debt ceiling without even a show of a fight.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 02:55 PM (LvTSG)

So...no hooo dawgie? Womp womp.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 03:01 PM (KbCG3)

144 Dems never put up speakers now from Alabama. They go to NY/CA for their speakers. We should do the reverse.

The leadership of the Dem party comes from the leftwing of the party.

And...so does the GOPe.

McCarthy and McConnell are way, way to the left of the average GOP voter. As is the Democrat leadership.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:01 PM (XqcwY)

145 136 133 The sanctions on Cuba need to be lifted. It serves no purpose other than harming people. It's stupid ridiculous outdated thinking from 60 years ago. It needs to be axed. And we need to allow Cuba's lung cancer vaccine in this country.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (JCZqz)
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Well, let's invade Cuber.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 03, 2023 03:01 PM (Wg6v7)

146 @91

>>I just think he's a jer

Gaetz is far from a jerk, he's trying to hold this a**hole to the promises he made.

To see how real and not full of sh*t Gaetz is, check out his last appearance on Tim Cast IRL, we need about 434 more Matt Gaetz in the House.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:01 PM (rc3Z7)

147 "Pritzker, a Democrat, said the state's resources were beyond strained after Texas officials bused more than 15,000 migrants to Illinois in the past year."

"Beyond strained" after taking just 15K over an entire year. Meanwhile, Texas, Arizona and others have been taking that amount on a weekly basis for years.

Eff you and the wetback you rode in on. You and your disingenuous hacks have been courting this population for votes for decades on the promise of freebies while taxing legal citizens and legitimate business. Easy to do when you're promising money/assets neither you made nor the citizens being taxed considering our intractable national debt.

I'm hoping the streets go feral long before any rescue so that certain local populations get it in their heads that there are consequences to stupid actions.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 03, 2023 03:01 PM (aXxgO)

148 Gaetz talking now
"Chaos IS Speaker McCarthy "

LOL.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 03:01 PM (ufFY8)

149 Breaking911 @Breaking911 8m
2 US Army Soldiers Killed, 12 Injured, in Accident in Alaska

On Monday, a single-vehicle accident in Alaska resulted in the deaths of two U.S. Army soldiers, with a dozen others sustaining injuries, according to officials.

The incident occurred in the Yukon Training Area near Salcha, where at least 17 soldiers were traveling in a light medium tactical vehicle designed for troop transport.

First responders arrived at the scene and administered medical care until the injured soldiers could be transported by both ground and air to Fairbanks Memorial Hospital in Fairbanks, approximately 30 miles from Salcha. In the aftermath of the incident, two soldiers died, and 12 others were injured, although their conditions were not immediately available as of early Tuesday.

Officials have chosen to withhold the identities of the deceased soldiers until their families can be notified. The cause of the single-vehicle accident remains under investigation, and officials have not disclosed specific details regarding the circumstances of the accident.
https://tinyurl.com/29zx9r9h
Elmendorf-Richardson Joint Base

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:02 PM (krqg6)

150 Declare war on Mexico? There's also the little thing about not having an army to fight a war. The Nat Guard units are set up for support, NOT for any actual operations.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Think of how many US guys would flock to the TX war on MX banner!
You'd have mercs coming out of all the States (and the 'mercs' wouldn't want money, just ammo for their AR15s and AR10s.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 03, 2023 03:02 PM (bw5YC)

151 Unless... maybe they've been ordered by Dracula to shank this cuck. In that case, it would make sense for Renfield to go for it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 03:02 PM (0FoWg)

152 144 Dems never put up speakers now from Alabama. They go to NY/CA for their speakers. We should do the reverse.

The leadership of the Dem party comes from the leftwing of the party.

And...so does the GOPe.

McCarthy and McConnell are way, way to the left of the average GOP voter. As is the Democrat leadership.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:01 PM (XqcwY)

I know - we need to change that. So, I'm cool if Gaetz gets the scalp b/c even if we get a cuck, it's probably not one from CA/NY, so it's probably one we can primary challenge and out, and yet still keep the seat red...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:02 PM (exHjb)

153 Which might still be better than what we have now. Interesting times.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (nfrXX)

Shitty as Mccarthy is if they vote to toss him they better come up with someone the R's can back.. If Jeffries takes over we will have the biden impeachment shut down and investigations on every Republican

Posted by: It's me donna at October 03, 2023 03:03 PM (bs+z0)

154 Seems to me that even if the Ds pitch in with Gaetz to unseat McCarthy, they sure as hell won't vote for anyone we would consider better. That could split the Rs and leave the Ds as the plurality to put Nan or whoever back in. Which might still be better than what we have now. Interesting times.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (nfrXX)

I believe we'd be back in the situation we were in at the start of the Congress where the Dems will all vote for Jeffries, most of the Pubs will vote for McCarthy (again), and a small group will vote for someone else which will mean no Speaker until someone removes their head from their ass and recognized that McCarthy has killed his career faster than any other Speaker in history.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 03, 2023 03:03 PM (zhLdt)

155 Pritzker seems not to like the policy that he spent many years supporting. Seems that when his state suffers instead of other states managed by a different party, he has no problem at all.

Now those preverbal chickens are coming home to roost and now it's a problem?

I only have one thing to say: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

He is the perfect example of a lying leftist. Wait, is there any other kind?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 03, 2023 03:03 PM (h6NsU)

156 "The Cuckshank Redemption: My Life and Coming Out as Mrs. McCarthy-Luntz"

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 03:03 PM (mMSd8)

157 11 Republicans voted to proceed with the motion to vacate. If all the Dems vote to vacate as they said they would, and most of the 11 Republicans vote with them, McCarthy's gone.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (R38qh)

158 154 I believe we'd be back in the situation we were in at the start of the Congress where the Dems will all vote for Jeffries, most of the Pubs will vote for McCarthy (again), and a small group will vote for someone else which will mean no Speaker until someone removes their head from their ass and recognized that McCarthy has killed his career faster than any other Speaker in history.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 03, 2023 03:03 PM (zhLdt)

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It'd be great if the pro-McCarthy, GOP faction voted for Jeffries.

Clarifying.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (LvTSG)

159 It takes the House, the Senate, and the President to increase spending (well absent a veto override).

It only takes any one of the three to cut spending, and is actually easiest from the House.

Why is that? If the House, for example, allocates only $4T instead of $7T in spending, the Senate and the President can't just add more. They either agree to the $4T or get...nothing.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (XqcwY)

160 A**hole Democrats who created the crisis are now asking themselves to fix the crisis.

Surreal.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (lf83v)

161 Hot news @TheNewsTrending 2h
The US House of Representatives will vote on Republican Congressman Matt Gates' proposal to impeach House Speaker McCarthy at 8:30 p.m.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (krqg6)

Will we get an AoS countdown clock?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (BdMk6)

162 Ugh, this cuck is really a fucking cuck (Tom Cole). What a dickhead.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
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His power and fundraising depends on the current leadership team staying in place.

That is what McCarthy is counting on.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (4R3Gm)

163 MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico’s president said Monday that about 10,000 migrants per day are heading to the U.S. border, and he blamed U.S. economic sanctions on countries like Cuba and Venezuela for the influx.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (JCZqz)

Mexico's President also referred to Bob Menendez as a Republican Senator from Texas. I'm not sure I'd take anything he says at face value.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (zhLdt)

164 I don't trust Gaetz, seems like a self promoting shit stirrer.

Posted by: runner at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (DOrlJ)

165 Dems never put up speakers now from Alabama. They go to NY/CA for their speakers. We should do the reverse.
Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 02:59 PM (exHjb)

Them there politicians from Alabam have done been known to be some bad mens...signing hi skool yearbooks and trying to make time with the pretty girls at the mall.
(faints dead away from the vapors)

Posted by: Alabama Hayseed Voters at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (0lY6Y)

166 157 11 Republicans voted to proceed with the motion to vacate. If all the Dems vote to vacate as they said they would, and most of the 11 Republicans vote with them, McCarthy's gone.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (R38qh)

They might have voted to move it along just to see how much McCarthy would pay them to back off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (i9ffA)

167 The US House of Representatives will vote on Republican Congressman Matt Gates' proposal to impeach House Speaker McCarthy at 8:30 p.m.

Impeach?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (aD39U)

168 Sadly, the chick in the cream jacket behind the podium is the cutest person in the shot.

A Walmart 7.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (ufFY8)

169 Dear Governor Prtizker,
You do governing the State of Illinois, and I'll do ruling the United States.

Go to Hell,
Joseph R. Biden, Jr.

Posted by: GL at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM (5fDan)

170 Impeach?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (aD39U)

No, vacate.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM (ufFY8)

171 I think my favorite part about McCarthy is, having to endure 4 (or 5?) votes to get Speaker, instead of bold leadership to solidify his standing he .... reverts back to soft, mild, meaningless GOPe slop of the last 30 years.

It's like like the elections of the last 10 years never happened: Conservatives are good little drones easily satisfied and distracted with a few words while they get back to funding Democrats priorities.

What concessions did he get from the debt ceiling talks? None.
What concessions did he get from this shutdown? Promises to do it again in 45 days.

Jack, at least, got beans. We get the shaft.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM (bIzO/)

172 I am laughing on the inside, the outside, every side

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM (NtVYv)

173 Obvious solution is to build wall on the northern Texas border.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM (Poio3)

174 "Fueling the letter is what Pritzker described as a 'humanitarian crisis' that strains adequate housing for people who are taking refuge in police stations and even on sidewalks, as well as medical help and other social services, he wrote."

Notice he and the wretched leadership of his ilk studiously and strenuously avoid ever mentioning to the LEGAL citizens, "To solve this 'humanitarian crisis' that I am creating, I am going to need your money and you are going to have to go without. And by the way, you're a racist bigoted NAZI for nor giving me your stuff so that I can hand it over to someone else more deserving of my attention right now."

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM (aXxgO)

175 150 Declare war on Mexico? There's also the little thing about not having an army to fight a war. The Nat Guard units are set up for support, NOT for any actual operations.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Uh...wrong. There are plenty of National Guard combat arms units. The 34th Infantry Division is a National Guard unit. The Army Reserves are mostly support elements, but the Guard plenty of combat force structure.

They don't have lots of SUPPLIES to wage war, because they're supposed to be activated by the Feds, and receive ammo and such from the Active Duty component.

Posted by: Military Moron at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (JCZqz)

176 162 His power and fundraising depends on the current leadership team staying in place.

That is what McCarthy is counting on.
Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (4R3Gm)

=======

It's almost like McCarthy really could get almost anything through the House he wanted by using his power of the purse, the RCCC purse, so his bullshit about not being able to follow through on regular order bills is bullshit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (LvTSG)

177 Small, but important:

@bhweingarten 3m
🚨BIG BREAKING: CISA, the "nerve center" of the fed-led censorship regime, has now been prohibited from engaging in speech policing in a bombshell new opinion from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. This corrects a major deficiency in its original ruling https://newsweek.com...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (IG4Id)

178 167 The US House of Representatives will vote on Republican Congressman Matt Gates' proposal to impeach House Speaker McCarthy at 8:30 p.m.

Impeach?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (aD39U)

No - vacate the chair.
Funny enough, McCarthy decided to do this 1st today...and then lost the 1st vote. He has terrible political instincts...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (exHjb)

179 I believe we'd be back in the situation we were in at the start of the Congress where the Dems will all vote for Jeffries, most of the Pubs will vote for McCarthy (again), and a small group will vote for someone else which will mean no Speaker...

Oh, I didn't realize that the vote for SoH had to be a pure majority. Gotta know the rules to play the game.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (nfrXX)

180 Breaking911 @Breaking911 8m
2 US Army Soldiers Killed, 12 Injured, in Accident in Alaska

RIP soldiers. 😢

Posted by: rickb223 at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (9wVL0)

181 Jim Jordan!
No sleeves rolled up.
LOL

Jesus Jim, you are shilling for McCarthy?
You asshole.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (ufFY8)

182 @158

>>It'd be great if the pro-McCarthy, GOP faction voted for Jeffries. Clarifying.

That is a metaphysical certitude if it meant keeping a real Conservative from wielding the Speakers Gavel.

Then they can blame The Hobbits for putting them in a position to have to vote for Jeffries.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (rc3Z7)

183 The Dems who run my county are beginning to feel the heat. The amount of money being spent on illegals who have arrived here is stretching the budget and hitting other areas which the citizens require. Tough noogies Dems you've made this county and city sanctuary sites and this is what you get when being stupid.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (gZYFY)

184 No one should ever use the word “welcome” and “Illinois” in the same sentence. I grew up here, and it’s actually gotten worse since I was a kid in the John Hughes era

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (RcHbG)

185 No, vacate.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM (ufFY

We're voting on more vacation? Awesome!

Posted by: Sandy Cortez, probably at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (G2KPu)

186 The 5th Circuits ban on the government working with tech companies to censor speech has just been expanded to now include CISA.

That's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (ZLI7S)

187 That is what McCarthy is counting on.
Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (4R3Gm)

And the press - just few hours ago Reuters and AP were Har Haring that a motion to table the whole thing was coming - implying that the whole thing was essentially over and that chaos averted - who knew?

And yet, two hours later....silence.

Posted by: Boswell at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (K+UlC)

188 Dear Governor Prtizker,
You do governing the State of Illinois, and I'll do ruling the United States.

Go to Hell,
Joseph R. Biden, Jr.

Also, for the record I gave your sister Jennifer the old Biden two finger downstairs salute and...that woman has the biggest clit I've ever felt. My word as a Biden it was bigger then my dick!

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (XqcwY)

189 54 I believe we'd be back in the situation we were in at the start of the Congress where the Dems will all vote for Jeffries, most of the Pubs will vote for McCarthy (again), and a small group will vote for someone else which will mean no Speaker until someone removes their head from their ass and recognized that McCarthy has killed his career faster than any other Speaker in history.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Doesn't quite work that way. If the Speaker is vacated out of office, then you will get immediate Republican close door caucus to figure out what to do next. There is not an immediate vote on the floor as to who will be the next speaker. McCarthy effed up by not giving one inch to his detractors and being the typical slimeball of House Republican leadership depending on his granting favors and money from the RNCC to stay in power.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (4R3Gm)

190 164 I don't trust Gaetz, seems like a self promoting shit stirrer.
Posted by: runner at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (DOrlJ)
*******
I agree.
Gaetz doesn't have a Plan B.
Who is every Republican going to agree on.
The R's only have a very slim majority in the House.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (NpAcC)

191 Vacate... and then What, power sharing with the dems?? Gaetz is an idiot.

Posted by: runner at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (DOrlJ)

192 171 What concessions did he get from the debt ceiling talks? None.
What concessions did he get from this shutdown? Promises to do it again in 45 days.

Jack, at least, got beans. We get the shaft.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM (bIzO/)

=======

There weren't even debt ceiling talks. He just outright gave up before it became a news story.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (LvTSG)

193 So many ways to die in Alaska, it’s a miracle I got out alive.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (RcHbG)

194 I don't trust Gaetz, seems like a self promoting shit stirrer.
Posted by: runner at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (DOrlJ)

What is needed now more than ever is a self promoting shit stirrer to self promote and stir the shit.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (0lY6Y)

195 179 I believe we'd be back in the situation we were in at the start of the Congress where the Dems will all vote for Jeffries, most of the Pubs will vote for McCarthy (again), and a small group will vote for someone else which will mean no Speaker...

Oh, I didn't realize that the vote for SoH had to be a pure majority. Gotta know the rules to play the game.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (nfrXX)

Pure majority of who votes - abstentions reduce the votes needed to win...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (exHjb)

196 Just curious. I'm not a big McCarthy fan. But I'm
Wondering what people think they are going to get out of getting rid of him, you know, since he's pretty much already given the caucus what they asked for. They're getting separate spending bills and a chance to vote on all amendments. Gaetz just has a personal issue with him, and he keeps blaming him for stuff that Democrats are demonstrably doing to him. He doesn't even have the whole Freedom Caucus behind him.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (kLbP8)

197 Jack, at least, got beans. We get the shaft.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 03, 2023 03:06 PM

What are you bitching about!?!? That's the best part!!!

Posted by: David French at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (JCZqz)

198 Obvious solution is to build wall on the northern Texas border.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

And trebuchet the illegals over it.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (9wVL0)

199 194 I don't trust Gaetz, seems like a self promoting shit stirrer.

we need shit stirred up

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (AcWfM)

200 Maybe Pritzker should be writing his fellow Chicagoan, the Blessed and Exalted Messiah Barack Obama (let the fainting begin). After all, he is the real president.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (lf83v)

201 DC_Draino @DC_Draino
Vacating McCarthy - My analysis:
I stand with Rep @mattgaetz
McCarthy agreed to rules when he was voted in as Speaker that he is not following
Now he gets punished, simple as that

If Gaetz and others don’t hold him accountable, KM will continue to steamroll Republican voters with Uniparty concessions

Yes, I’d prefer to continue investigating the Biden crime family and fight as a unified front against the Democrats, but at a certain point, we have to put our foot down and say “enough is enough”

That time is now

Here’s what I think will happen:

McCarthy will be vacated from the Speaker position and we’ll return to endless rounds of Speaker votes

Do we have an heir apparent? No

I frankly expect McCarthy to be voted back in as Speaker after an extensive public humiliation exercise, but only after more concessions are made to Gaetz and crew

And that’s what why we should all support Gaetz

Democracy is ugly, messy, and uncertain, but real change can only happen when courageous Patriots take a firm stand

Gaetz and crew are the Patriots taking that stand and returning even more power back to the People

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (krqg6)

202 @181

>>Jesus Jim, you are shilling for McCarthy?
You asshole.

To be fair, what competent Conservative wants this job?

When the last speakers fight broke out the "alternative" was Steve Scalise, and Scalise didn't even want the job.

No, the only people who want this job are corrupt, striving ass clowns.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (rc3Z7)

203 I agree.
Gaetz doesn't have a Plan B.
Who is every Republican going to agree on.

Whoever the next GOP Speaker is will know that Gaetz can do the same thing to them.

Considering the position Gaetz, and we the people, are in its not a bad move.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (XqcwY)

204 153 Which might still be better than what we have now. Interesting times.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 02:58 PM (nfrXX)

Shitty as Mccarthy is if they vote to toss him they better come up with someone the R's can back.. If Jeffries takes over we will have the biden impeachment shut down and investigations on every Republican
Posted by: It's me donna at October 03, 2023 03:03 PM (bs+z0)

The Biden impeachment was never going to happen with McCarthy as Speaker. Never.

It's better that the Dems own all of this ahead of 2024. NYC didn't decide to vote for change until the streets erupted in riots, and the electorate had to hold their nose to vote for Giuliani. This needs to happen on a national level now.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (/iWhV)

205 Wondering what people think they are going to get out of getting rid of him

An object lesson.

We're done, RINOs. It's over. Maybe it's time to replace the Rs with something else, I dunno.

But no more of the same. old. shit.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (AcWfM)

206 we need shit stirred up
Posted by: BlackOrchid
__________

Oh yeah we do.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (lf83v)

207 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (0lY6Y)

*sigh

🤡

Posted by: runner at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (DOrlJ)

208 190 164 I don't trust Gaetz, seems like a self promoting shit stirrer.
Posted by: runner at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (DOrlJ)
*******
I agree.
Gaetz doesn't have a Plan B.
Who is every Republican going to agree on.
The R's only have a very slim majority in the House.
Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (NpAcC)

Scalise would be next up. He happens to at least be from Louisiana. And is more conservative than McCarthy, although I think everyone in the House is...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (exHjb)

209 Hot news @TheNewsTrending 2h
The US House of Representatives will vote on Republican Congressman Matt Gates' proposal to impeach House Speaker McCarthy at 8:30 p.m.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:56 PM (krqg6)

Will we get an AoS countdown clock?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (BdMk6)

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Drinking game rules?

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (mMSd8)

210 203 Whoever the next GOP Speaker is will know that Gaetz can do the same thing to them.

Considering the position Gaetz, and we the people, are in its not a bad move.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (XqcwY)

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If McCarthy hadn't sabotaged GOP electoral efforts in the House in 2022, he'd have a bigger majority loyal to him and the Gaetz thing would have never come close to a vote.

McCarthy is an idiot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (LvTSG)

211 "Removed or returned" is the "created or saved" of "safe, legal and rare."

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at October 03, 2023 03:11 PM (wzAuc)

212 The Pritzker family and Synthetic Sex Identities:

https://is.gd/emD3Eb

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 03, 2023 03:11 PM (PiwSw)

213 Tough noogies Dems you've made this county and city sanctuary sites and this is what you get when being stupid.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
______

Is there any chance whatsoever of the county/city reversing the 'sanctuary' status?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 03, 2023 03:11 PM (BQQ0e)

214 If McCarthy hadn't sabotaged GOP electoral efforts in the House in 2022, he'd have a bigger majority loyal to him and the Gaetz thing would have never come close to a vote.

McCarthy is an idiot.

maybe he just stays bought

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:11 PM (AcWfM)

215 208 190 164 I don't trust Gaetz, seems like a self promoting shit stirrer.
Posted by: runner at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (DOrlJ)
*******
I agree.
Gaetz doesn't have a Plan B.
Who is every Republican going to agree on.
The R's only have a very slim majority in the House.
Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (NpAcC)

Scalise would be next up. He happens to at least be from Louisiana. And is more conservative than McCarthy, although I think everyone in the House is...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (exHjb)

Scalise has multiple myeloma.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2023 03:11 PM (/iWhV)

216 They're getting separate spending bills and a chance to vote on all amendments.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (kLbP

Then why are we here... last second... no spending bills voted on... no amendments voted on... CR passed that just keeps shoveling money out the door.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (zhLdt)

217 Jim Jordan giving a dose of reality.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (NpAcC)

218 Will we get an AoS countdown clock?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 03:04 PM (BdMk6)

-----------

Drinking game rules?
Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (mMSd

Why aren't my comments showing?

Posted by: spindrift at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (G2KPu)

219 And the press - just few hours ago Reuters and AP were Har Haring that a motion to table the whole thing was coming - implying that the whole thing was essentially over and that chaos averted - who knew?

And yet, two hours later....silence.
Posted by: Boswell
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Dynamics during leadership contests are essentially off the book from the mainstream idiots in the press. If you want a decent take on the House, look up Jamie Dupree who works for Cox radio and is a former house page. He has covered Congress as a journalist for decades. One of the few fair minded sort that just reports the news.

Might find a streaming report from him via internet radio.

Churchill ended up succeeding Chamberlain in a similar situation in 1940 just before the invasion of France began. Chamberlain failed to get the vote he wanted on a vote of confidence and Churchill actually spoke in favor of keeping Chamberlain in office. Chamberlain resigned and then the contest was between Churchill and Lord Halifax. Either one depended on whether Labor would come aboard in an all parties government or not.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (4R3Gm)

220 If they vacate and want to put in a new speaker I hope Gaetz' concession he demands is that all of them fucking hang themselves, including him.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (0FoWg)

221 103 McCarthy just had to follow with his promises that got him elected and none of this would be happening. He decided against doing so with the CR where once again there is no hill to die on for some people.
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Yep. Passing appropriations bills under regular order is THE fundamental step necessary to return some sort of fiscal responsibility to the process. McCarthy should be removed. No matter who replaces him, he still should be removed.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (sWM8x)

222 I agree.
Gaetz doesn't have a Plan B.
Who is every Republican going to agree on.
______________

If you are in an abusive relationship, you don't postpone the divorce until you know who your next spouse will be. You leave.

Let the Republicans figure this out. It'll be painful, but this is grown-up time now.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (lf83v)

223 If McCarthy hadn't sabotaged GOP electoral efforts in the House in 2022, he'd have a bigger majority loyal to him and the Gaetz thing would have never come close to a vote.

McCarthy is an idiot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

This. And also all he had to do wqas not push the CR and bring the 12 budget bills to the floor. He thought Gaetz was bluffing.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (CIS44)

224 I like this turmoil that's happening in the House. The main reason is that it's not "business as usual". We actually have some repubs willing to take a political risk. I applaud them.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (BdMk6)

225 208 190 164 I don't trust Gaetz, seems like a self promoting shit stirrer.
Posted by: runner at October 03, 2023 03:05 PM (DOrlJ)
*******
I agree.
Gaetz doesn't have a Plan B.
Who is every Republican going to agree on.
The R's only have a very slim majority in the House.
Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (NpAcC)

Scalise would be next up. He happens to at least be from Louisiana. And is more conservative than McCarthy, although I think everyone in the House is...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (exHjb)
____________

The House GOP will cock this up. Mark my words. Gaetz is an obnoxious douchebag just trying to suck his own dick. Seems that Madison Cornbread either won't or isn't very good at it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2023 03:13 PM (iFTx/)

226 This. And also all he had to do wqas not push the CR and bring the 12 budget bills to the floor. He thought Gaetz was bluffing.

no I think he's actually a traitor

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:13 PM (AcWfM)

227 Scalise would be next up. He happens to at least be from Louisiana. And is more conservative than McCarthy, although I think everyone in the House is...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (exHjb)

Scalise has multiple myeloma.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2023 03:11 PM (/iWhV)

Not actually disqualifying...although I doubt he'd want the stress if he's in active treatment (since, I know, blood cancers never really get cured)...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:13 PM (exHjb)

228 223 This. And also all he had to do wqas not push the CR and bring the 12 budget bills to the floor. He thought Gaetz was bluffing.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (CIS44)

=======

"But, I promise, I'll bring the 12 to the floor tomorrow. Also, can I have a hamburger today? I'll pay you a dollar tomorrow."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:13 PM (LvTSG)

229 Scalise would be next up. He happens to at least be from Louisiana. And is more conservative than McCarthy, although I think everyone in the House is...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:10 PM (exHjb)

Scalise has multiple myeloma.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2023 03:11 PM (/iWhV)
******
Yes. Continued prayers.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 03:14 PM (NpAcC)

230 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2023 03:14 PM (Zz0t1)

231 224 I like this turmoil that's happening in the House. The main reason is that it's not "business as usual". We actually have some repubs willing to take a political risk. I applaud them.

agreed

in the end it won't matter; it's all coming apart

but it's clarifying to see who gets it and who does not, as well as who actually is on the Bolshevik side (McCarthy)

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:14 PM (AcWfM)

232 Andy Biggs is talking sense, but my Lord, he has a boring delivery

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 03:14 PM (ufFY8)

233 Alls I can say is F*CK Pritzker and his entire bloodline.

I still thank GOD my family got transferred out of that shithole while I was still young enough to learn communism sucks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2023 03:14 PM (Zz0t1)

234 The House GOP will cock this up. Mark my words. Gaetz is an obnoxious douchebag just trying to suck his own dick. Seems that Madison Cornbread either won't or isn't very good at it.

For the record Gaetz did marry a dime...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:15 PM (XqcwY)

235 The R's only have a very slim majority in the House.
________

And with that slim majority, the Dems get everything they want and we get nothing we want.

So, really, no majority.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2023 03:15 PM (lf83v)

236 Scalise is a backbencher, water carrier, nothing more.

The main problem is there are at most 10-15 actual conservatives in the House who want to do real work.

The rest are just clock punchers and wastes of space.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:15 PM (rc3Z7)

237 The House GOP will cock this up. Mark my words. Gaetz is an obnoxious douchebag just trying to suck his own dick. Seems that Madison Cornbread either won't or isn't very good at it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2023 03:13 PM

Cock ups and dick sucking! The Republican House is where it's at!!!!!

Posted by: David French at October 03, 2023 03:15 PM (JCZqz)

238 Doesn't quite work that way. If the Speaker is vacated out of office, then you will get immediate Republican close door caucus to figure out what to do next. There is not an immediate vote on the floor as to who will be the next speaker.

Thanks, whig.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 03, 2023 03:16 PM (nfrXX)

239 It matters less who replaces McCarthy than that he be replaced.

He must go now.

To encourage the others.

Posted by: Minuteman at October 03, 2023 03:16 PM (LaNzR)

240 "It's Republicans' fault for the problems we created."

--Democrats.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 03, 2023 03:16 PM (H9sxy)

241 234 The House GOP will cock this up. Mark my words. Gaetz is an obnoxious douchebag just trying to suck his own dick. Seems that Madison Cornbread either won't or isn't very good at it.

For the record Gaetz did marry a dime...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:15 PM (XqcwY)
________

His family is worth 100s of millions. I'm sure the dimes were lined up for a shot at that prize.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2023 03:16 PM (iFTx/)

242 Gaetz is an obnoxious douchebag just trying to suck his own dick.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Every male dog everywhere at October 03, 2023 03:16 PM (ufFY8)

243 Who can it be now ? Who can it be now ?

Posted by: Jerks at Wirk at October 03, 2023 03:16 PM (NtVYv)

244 4 Even Pakistan is trying to get rid of illegals, Afghan ones mind you but still.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 02:34 PM (krqg6)
----
Hey, we've got some of those too!

Posted by: Ciampino - Cynics are just more observant of reality at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (qfLjt)

245 The R's only have a very slim majority in the House.
Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 03:08 PM (NpAcC)

Yes, so by all means, let us not be beastly to the GOPe...

McCarthy went back on his word to the Freedom Caucus to not give in to the Dems in a backroom deal on a CR that will essentially lead to a budget deal bankrupting already bankrupt taxpayers in the U.S. - a word that he solemnly gave in order to get their votes for speaker - pretty typical of the GOPe - and he fully expected them to eat it. He chose...poorly.

Posted by: Boswell at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (K+UlC)

246 And with that slim majority, the Dems get everything they want and we get nothing we want.

So, really, no majority.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2023 03:15 PM (lf83v)

Yeah. This is a non-story. I expect McCarthy doesn't even get the boot, anyway. But if he does? Fuck it. Put in Hakeem. Zero difference in any single outcome, end of story.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (0FoWg)

247 196 Just curious. I'm not a big McCarthy fan. But I'm
Wondering what people think they are going to get out of getting rid of him, you know, since he's pretty much already given the caucus what they asked for. They're getting separate spending bills and a chance to vote on all amendments. Gaetz just has a personal issue with him, and he keeps blaming him for stuff that Democrats are demonstrably doing to him. He doesn't even have the whole Freedom Caucus behind him.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Half of that Freedom Caucus are GOPe inside the wire. They talk purty but when rubber meets highway, like Chip Roy, they vote to fold.

One of the things you can tell reliably is that far too many people rely on purty words instead of deeds because actually analyzing policies and what your preferred position is takes a lot of time. So, essentially, conservative voters get nasty surprises all the time because they do not connect words with deeds.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (4R3Gm)

248 "Allowing just one state to lay the burden upon a certain few states run by Democrats is untenable," Pritzker wrote. "We are a nation that has welcomed immigrants and refugees since our founding, and we have done so in a bipartisan manner. It cannot be that just a few cities and states should now bear the cost of this effort alone."

You're a sanctuary state. Texas is NOT.

F*ck off. Reap it, bitch.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (Zz0t1)

249 "Then why are we here... last second... no spending bills voted on... no amendments voted on... CR passed that just keeps shoveling money out the door.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 03, 2023 03:12 PM (zhLdt)"

The cR is only until Nov 17th. The reason we're at the deadline in the first place is because of bull like this which keeps distracting from passing the bills and amendments. If this continues you can expect the same in November, because Gaetz needs to stamp his prissy little feet and push his personal issues with McCarthy. But he's a sooper conservative or something and he's on your side 👌🏻. Nobody gets everything they want and most of the caucus realizes that.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (kLbP8)

250 Gaetz is a retard. Full stop.

Look, I agree 100% with just about everything he said about McCarthy. McCarthy sucks.

However, just rolling a grenade into the Speaker's office without some kind of a plan to replace him with someone worth a shit is...yep, retarded.

Who exactly does Gaetz think a majority of the House will all agree to put into the Chair that will in any way be "better" for "our" side than Luntz' houseboy?

He has no plan. He is a retard.

Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (oXNqT)

251 I guess it works, then.

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 5m
NEW: Fifty five Chinese sailors are feared dead after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels in the Yellow Sea' - Daily Mail

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (krqg6)

252 199 194 I don't trust Gaetz, seems like a self promoting shit stirrer.

we need shit stirred up
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (AcWfM)

I like my shit shaken, not stirred.

Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (PWI4f)

253 Math alert: Illinois squeals after a mere 15,000 illegals. (Counting on toes).
Yeah, that is 0.2% of at least 7 million.

Bring it on, Gov. Abbot!

Posted by: JM in Illinois at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (CSHPE)

254 Gaetz doesn't have a Plan B.
_______

I don't care. McCarthy made promises with consequences if he didn't keep them. He didn't keep the promises. Consequences therefore must be paid, it is the right and honest thing to do. I'd like to think I'd do the exact same thing Gaetz is doing if I were on his position, starting with the original deal that gave the R majority a mechanism to hold McCarthy accountable. Let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (BQQ0e)

255 For the record Gaetz did marry a dime...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:15 PM (XqcwY)

Shit I am old and I had to look that up.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (NtVYv)

256 Yeah. This is a non-story. I expect McCarthy doesn't even get the boot, anyway. But if he does? Fuck it. Put in Hakeem. Zero difference in any single outcome, end of story.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM

But what about the hearings? The impeachment? The House will hold Biden to account!!!!

Posted by: Boomer Fox News Watcher at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (JCZqz)

257 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 18m
10 Republicans who voted against Speaker McCarthy:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Davidson
Gaetz
Good
Mace
Rosendale
Spartz

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (krqg6)

258
The only way the clusterf*ck going on in Congress could get any more MAGA is if somebody nominated Trump for Speaker.

Posted by: Frank Barone at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (+oR7L)

259 Hochul backtracking tells me that Soros or whoever is truly coordinating the open borders invasion is seeing their minions starting to lose control. Biden is a feeble imbecile so he's easy enough to control. But the ones with careers ahead of them? They're on wafer thin ice right now.

People need to keep the pressure on.

Posted by: Mr. Fabulist at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (7VCus)

260 Yeah. This is a non-story. I expect McCarthy doesn't even get the boot, anyway. But if he does? Fuck it. Put in Hakeem. Zero difference in any single outcome, end of story.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (0FoWg)

You might actually get more concessions, b/c Repubs would go back to all voting together (which they did as a minority), so bills might have to be more conservative...

I'm not even joking...go back and look at their records from 2021-2022...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (exHjb)

261 255 For the record Gaetz did marry a dime...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2023 03:15 PM (XqcwY)

Shit I am old and I had to look that up.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 03, 2023

That's nothing! I married a three dollar bill!

Posted by: Chasten Buttigieg at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (JCZqz)

262 Leftwing Illinois Governor Pritzker Writes Letter to Biden, Demanding

That we all use xers new title
"Commanderette of all Trannies"

Posted by: DaveA at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (FhXTo)

263 NEW: Fifty five Chinese sailors are feared dead after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels in the Yellow Sea' - Daily Mail
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Uh, oh.

Posted by: Sum Ting Wong, Submarine Captain at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (lf83v)

264 TX legislators doxxed the TX AG.

They put unredacted documents that were redacted at trial online. The page was taken down, but then put up again, still unredacted. The unredacted information includes his home address.

https://is.gd/cDt55J

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (R38qh)

265 14 put Pritzker on the border, he can block a lot of it himself.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 03, 2023 02:38 PM (CIS44)
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If he wades into the Rio Grande it will be an instant damming of the river.

Posted by: Death is hereditary at October 03, 2023 03:20 PM (qfLjt)

266 The Biden Crime, Incest and Sex Trafficking Family
It just rolls off the tongue.

Posted by: wth at October 03, 2023 03:20 PM (v0R5T)

267 uh hu hu, uh, ha ah

Zat was cool Beavis

Posted by: Matt " Butthead " Gaetz at October 03, 2023 03:20 PM (NtVYv)

268 I wonder how many GOPe reps will change parties if this ouster is successful.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (BdMk6)

269 Small, but important:

@bhweingarten 3m
🚨BIG BREAKING: CISA, the "nerve center" of the fed-led censorship regime, has now been prohibited from engaging in speech policing in a bombshell new opinion from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. This corrects a major deficiency in its original ruling https://newsweek.com...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 03, 2023 03:07 PM (IG4Id)

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What happens if they continue doing it anyway and who would stop them?

/rhetorical

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (mMSd8)

270 NEW: Fifty five Chinese sailors are feared dead after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels in the Yellow Sea' - Daily Mail

The Chinese have a nuke sub?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (aD39U)

271 "Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (4R3Gm)"

Brother you know better than anyone this is about incrementalism. Move the ball in your direction with the small majority you have. Stop the bleeding and triage. The Freedom Caucus got a lot out the negotiations but it seems they are never happy. There's a large part of the caucus who got zero but went along. Now it's time to vote on the bills and amendments and Bag of Dick Jugglers like Gaetz who contributes zero to the process just keep wagging his dick at everyone.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (kLbP8)

272 Uh, oh.
Posted by: Sum Ting Wong, Submarine Captain at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (lf83v)

Wei Tu Lo?

Posted by: Too soon? at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (ufFY8)

273 228 223 This. And also all he had to do wqas not push the CR and bring the 12 budget bills to the floor. He thought Gaetz was bluffing.
Posted by: BruceWayne
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Yep. McCarthy promised to make the trains run on time by getting the twelve spending bills over to the Senate--he failed and then he did an end around getting Dem votes where the House did not get one single item that it desired. Plus he did a dirty deal with McConnell on additional Ukraine funding in the billions.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (4R3Gm)

274 Better headline: "Pritzker is writing Republican ads." LOL

Posted by: Isophorone at October 03, 2023 03:22 PM (Nsydb)

275 The Chinese have a nuke sub?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (aD39U)

Not anymore?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (ufFY8)

276 Brother you know better than anyone this is about incrementalism. Move the ball in your direction with the small majority you have. Stop the bleeding and triage. The Freedom Caucus got a lot out the negotiations but it seems they are never happy. There's a large part of the caucus who got zero but went along. Now it's time to vote on the bills and amendments and Bag of Dick Jugglers like Gaetz who contributes zero to the process just keep wagging his dick at everyone.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (kLbP

But the CRA moved the ball zero in Repubs direction. Zero. And with a Senate intent on CRA-ing the year, b/c they won't pick up any House bill, what do you expect House Repubs to do if they know the Speaker will just put up another "clean" yearlong CRA in mid Nov?

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (exHjb)

277 We need a caucus rule that a Republican Speaker can only come from a majority Republican state.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (aD39U)

278 Every Leftist complaint should be interpreted as an order for another million illegals. On the way, champ!

Posted by: Eternity Matters at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (MTm8X)

279 The Chinese have a nuke sub?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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Yeah. Let's see what happens now. The Chinese have been screaming and wailing about the Japanese releasing water at the Fukushima nuclear plant. Complaining about polluting our seas and fisheries.

Now they have a nuclear reactor at the bottom of the Yellow Sea.

Awesome.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (lf83v)

280 276 But the CRA moved the ball zero in Repubs direction. Zero. And with a Senate intent on CRA-ing the year, b/c they won't pick up any House bill, what do you expect House Repubs to do if they know the Speaker will just put up another "clean" yearlong CRA in mid Nov?
Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (exHjb)

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Argue that by losing that they actually won?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (LvTSG)

281 "And until you close the borders, you need to come up with a full-on decompression strategy where you can take all of our migrants and move them ~~throughout all of our 50 states~~ into camps for easy mass deportation."

Posted by: wth at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (v0R5T)

282 lol. Really? The Freedom Caucus got everything they asked for in negotiations. They also wanted Ukraine and the Border Bill to get separate votes and they're getting that too. I'm a little confused what "promises" weee broken. Lololol

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (kLbP8)

283 Yep. McCarthy promised to make the trains run on time by getting the twelve spending bills over to the Senate--he failed and then he did an end around getting Dem votes where the House did not get one single item that it desired. Plus he did a dirty deal with McConnell on additional Ukraine funding in the billions.
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Yep. GOPe perfidy is always status quo. We are gonna have to vote harder.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (Wg6v7)

284 254 Gaetz doesn't have a Plan B.
_______

I don't care. McCarthy made promises with consequences if he didn't keep them. He didn't keep the promises. Consequences therefore must be paid, it is the right and honest thing to do. I'd like to think I'd do the exact same thing Gaetz is doing if I were on his position, starting with the original deal that gave the R majority a mechanism to hold McCarthy accountable. Let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (BQQ0e)

McCarthy can't win people over like he did last time around.

This is going to be fun.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 03:24 PM (KbCG3)

285 TX legislators doxxed the TX AG.

They put unredacted documents that were redacted at trial online. The page was taken down, but then put up again, still unredacted. The unredacted information includes his home address.

https://is.gd/cDt55J

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2023 03:19 PM (R38qh)

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Paxton should have them charged & prosecuted for attempted murder. I'd vote Guilty if I was on the jury ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 03, 2023 03:24 PM (mMSd8)

286 I guess it works, then.

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 5m
NEW: Fifty five Chinese sailors are feared dead after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels in the Yellow Sea' - Daily Mail
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM

Well...that's awkward.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 03, 2023 03:24 PM (aQy7p)

287 McClintock: the House will be paralyzed.

He says that like it is a bad thing.
Another GOPe cuck.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 03, 2023 03:24 PM (ufFY8)

288 These comments don't surprise me. Lots of GOP voters here.

So battered they don't know anything else. It's why I left the party.

Posted by: DOYLE at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM (Z8Yh2)

289 Yep. Passing appropriations bills under regular order is THE fundamental step necessary to return some sort of fiscal responsibility to the process. McCarthy should be removed. No matter who replaces him, he still should be removed.
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I've given up on fiscal sanity.
We're in fiscal delusion, and passed insanity years ago.

All I want is conservative priorities funded and Democrat priorities de-funded.
And we can't even get that .....

87,000 new IRS agents? Fully funded.
DOJ? Fully funded.
Ukraine? Fully funded.
Border? Sorry, card's maxed out now.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM (bIzO/)

290 Why aren't my comments showing?
Posted by: spindrift
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You have to blow over .080 BAC to comment on an HQ live drunk thread. Hit a bar somewhere first.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM (krqg6)

291 282 lol. Really? The Freedom Caucus got everything they asked for in negotiations. They also wanted Ukraine and the Border Bill to get separate votes and they're getting that too. I'm a little confused what "promises" weee broken. Lololol
Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (kLbP

They wanted border money IN the CRA b/c it's a loser out. It's not there.

So, Ukraine money gets passed and border money gets skipped - again. And Dems win/win, til the pain of the border becomes too much and then the border money just becomes "bail out" left states money...

Oh wait, did I give away Kevin's Nov strategy?

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM (exHjb)

292 Brother you know better than anyone this is about incrementalism. Move the ball in your direction with the small majority you have. Stop the bleeding and triage. The Freedom Caucus got a lot out the negotiations but it seems they are never happy. There's a large part of the caucus who got zero but went along. Now it's time to vote on the bills and amendments and Bag of Dick Jugglers like Gaetz who contributes zero to the process just keep wagging his dick at everyone.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Nope, anyone that cared about fiscal matters or border security got jack shit--300 million more sent to black hole of Ukraine, no spending reductions from the Dems previous continuing resolutions, and nothing whatsoever on the bleeding sores that are our border. McCarthy failed and lied to his own caucus and the American people.

Tell me what has McCarthy actually done in office? Candidates for contested seats? Legislation? Actually opening an official impeachment inquiry with a House vote? Purty words is all he blathers while he lifts the taxpayers wallets for his GOPe buddies.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM (4R3Gm)

293 "But the CRA moved the ball zero in Repubs direction. Zero. And with a Senate intent on CRA-ing the year, b/c they won't pick up any House bill, what do you expect House Repubs to do if they know the Speaker will just put up another "clean" yearlong CRA in mid Nov?
Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:23 PM (exHjb)"

The CR is basically business as usual until November 17. They're need to pass the spending bills by then and reconcile with the senate. That's what the Freedom Caucus wanted and that's what McCarthy and the rest of the caucus is trying to do.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM (kLbP8)

294 267 uh hu hu, uh, ha ah

Zat was cool Beavis
Posted by: Matt " Butthead " Gaetz at October 03, 2023 03:20 PM

Truindenashendubbabapresser!
Asufutimaehaehfutbw!
Wipedmybutt! I need TP for my bung hole....
https://tinyurl.com/992anpkt

Posted by: Joe "Cornholio" Biden at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM (JCZqz)

295 Pritzker's just upset because the lines at his favorite all-you-can-eat buffet have just gotten a lot longer.

Posted by: Dagwood at October 03, 2023 03:26 PM (CC0N1)

296 Gaetz warned KM and KM used D’s to pass the CR. Gaetz survived a false FBI investigation and lots of “military veteran Democrats” that have run against him in FL01. He doesn’t need the bribe money like the rest of them. I hope he leaves a mark. And, not sure, if your goal is to end the GOPe, how you think this is not a good thing?

Posted by: EveR at October 03, 2023 03:26 PM (MUpk6)

297 It's too open, said Hochul.
Sounds like obama, a real wordsmith.

Posted by: Son of Dad at October 03, 2023 03:26 PM (8JB5s)

298 NEW: Fifty five Chinese sailors are feared dead after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels in the Yellow Sea' - Daily Mail

The Chinese have a nuke sub?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (aD39U)

It rike fry trap.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 03, 2023 03:26 PM (iupH6)

299 290 Why aren't my comments showing?
Posted by: spindrift
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You have to blow over .080 BAC to comment on an HQ live drunk thread. Hit a bar somewhere first.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM

Are you wearing pants?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 03, 2023 03:27 PM (JCZqz)

300 . "And until you close the borders, you need to come up with a full-on decompression strategy where you can take all of our migrants and move them throughout all of our 50 states."

Decompression strategy - Otherwise known as seeding red states with blue votes.

Posted by: InZona at October 03, 2023 03:27 PM (jhNL7)

301 McClintock: the House will be paralyzed.
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Chase her through town, bend her over your knee and spank her with a coal shovel until she behaves.

That McClintock was the man we need now....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 03, 2023 03:27 PM (bIzO/)

302 Yeah. This is a non-story. I expect McCarthy doesn't even get the boot, anyway. But if he does? Fuck it. Put in Hakeem. Zero difference in any single outcome, end of story.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 03:17 PM (0FoWg)

I'll settle for nothing less than a Mars Attacks type of solution for what ails Congress.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 03, 2023 03:27 PM (dGCAG)

303 "Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:25 PM (4R3Gm)"

Huh? That's all in the spending bills and proposed amendments. There will be a vote on the border bill and Mitch McConnell's war in Ukraine. All the other spending reductions have been written into the drafts and the amendments are being offered.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (kLbP8)

304
"We need to repatriate these undocumented workers to yahoo red states where they belong."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (MoZTd)

305 @271

>>Now it's time to vote on the bills and amendments and Bag of Dick Jugglers like Gaetz who contributes zero to the process just keep wagging his dick at everyone.

You should read the full list of legislation Gaetz has sponsored since he's been in Congress, the dude is serious, the rest of the chuckle heads not so much.

I'd also recommend watching his appearances on Tim Cast, specifically his most recent on.

Or not.

Shit is completely busted and broken and Gaetz is not the reason for any of way shit is completely busted and broken.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (rc3Z7)

306 some people here

make me wonder

about the things they say are no big deal; shouldn't be hair on fire about

and then the things we're supposed to be hair on fire about

they don't make rational sense; so I wonder. quite a bit actually.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (AcWfM)

307
Gavin Newsom and Laphonza Butler will be the 2024 Democrat presidential election ticket.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 03, 2023 02:43 PM (gVDpb)

Can't be. The Constitution specifically prohibits POTUS and VPOTUS being from the same st....

Ohhhhhhhhhh...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (n+4am)

308 You been caught here over an howa. You go now!

Posted by: Chinese Sub Trap Trash talk at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (yINkh)

309 we need shit stirred up
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:09 PM (AcWfM)

I like my shit shaken, not stirred.
Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (PWI4f)

I'm here to help.

Posted by: The Fan at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (lqvOK)

310 It's a trap!

Posted by: Admiral Akbar at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (lf83v)

311 The Chinese have a nuke sub?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:21 PM (aD39U)

It rike fry trap.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 03, 2023 03:26 PM (iupH6)

Curious if it's a homebrewed one or one "refitted" from the Russkies.

Posted by: Thrawn at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (uGhsv)

312 305 Shit is completely busted and broken and Gaetz is not the reason for any of way shit is completely busted and broken.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (rc3Z7)

========

I'll also add that Congress passing less legislation is a good thing.

It's not like anything they pass is full of repeals of previous bad statutes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (LvTSG)

313 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 5m
NEW: Fifty five Chinese sailors are feared dead after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels in the Yellow Sea' - Daily Mail
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM

Well...that's awkward.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 03, 2023 03:24 PM (aQy7p)
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Wile E. Coyote hardest hit...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (YIVH2)

314 Shit is completely busted and broken and Gaetz is not the reason for any of way shit is completely busted and broken.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (rc3Z7)

Let's put it this way, if it was simply between McCarthy and Gaetz, which guy would you hope got his way?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (KbCG3)

315 Funny that having read this thread there are precisely zero people who support Gaetz taking his dick out on the house floor to prove a point who also have any proposal for a warm body who has any possibility of being elected Speaker that is better for our side than McCarthy.

Again, Kevin sucks, but who else ya got? HURR DURR HAKEEM isn't an actual answer.

Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (oXNqT)

316 It's a trap!
Posted by: Admiral Akbar at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (lf83v)

I can't walk out.

Posted by: Underwater Chinese Elvis at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (G2KPu)

317 What happens if they continue doing it anyway and who would stop them?

/rhetorical
Posted by: ShainS

Well, it does mean that Musk can sue CISA next time they contact him for censorship purposes and win instantly in civil court. Also, it prevents the Fed, at least in part, from suing Musk over 'mIsInFoRmAtIon~!'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 03, 2023 03:30 PM (IG4Id)

318 You don't get to be controlled opposition for forty years and then also have your base give a shit about the fate of your faggot party.

One or the other, Renfield. Sorry, not sorry.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 03:30 PM (0FoWg)

319 315 Funny that having read this thread there are precisely zero people who support Gaetz taking his dick out on the house floor to prove a point who also have any proposal for a warm body who has any possibility of being elected Speaker that is better for our side than McCarthy.

Again, Kevin sucks, but who else ya got? HURR DURR HAKEEM isn't an actual answer.
Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (oXNqT)

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I vote for nobody, Congress stops functioning, the government never gets funded, and the states reassert themselves in American governance.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:30 PM (LvTSG)

320 And, not sure, if your goal is to end the GOPe, how you think this is not a good thing?
Posted by: EveR at October 03, 2023 03:26 PM (MUpk6)

Maybe it's like a reverse McNamara thing: You have to save the Gope in order to destroy it.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 03, 2023 03:30 PM (dGCAG)

321 The Chinese sailors were hoisted by their own petald so to speak.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 03, 2023 03:30 PM (RcHbG)

322 Gaetz can be completely correct on matters of policy, and still a slapdick clownshoe retard on matters of realpolitik.

These things aren't mutually exclusive.

Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:31 PM (oXNqT)

323 So how do you trap a submarine? Cereally.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 03, 2023 03:31 PM (Wg6v7)

324 If we're lucky Congress will come to a complete standstill.

They more they fart around with stuff like this the better.

If it takes years I'd be fine with it.

That would be years they aren't coming after us.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 03, 2023 03:31 PM (ZGmUk)

325 Again, Kevin sucks, but who else ya got? HURR DURR HAKEEM isn't an actual answer.
Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (oXNqT)

Scalise is next up...if he doesn't want it, I'm sure Byron Donalds does b/c he's got ambition, and the optics for us are as good as Scalise (and Louisiana and Florida are good states to have R speakers from)...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:31 PM (exHjb)

326 Again, Kevin sucks, but who else ya got? HURR DURR HAKEEM isn't an actual answer.
Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:29 PM (oXNqT)

Ok I can State the answer unequivocally:

None of them are any better than Kevin, and I don't give a single shit who, if anyone needs, replaces him.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 03:31 PM (0FoWg)

327 OceanGate runs China's underwater Navy?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2023 03:31 PM (Zz0t1)

328 I like my shit shaken, not stirred.

********

Absolutely keep your stirrers away from there.

Posted by: Son of Dad at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (8JB5s)

329 The real question here is how will this vote affect Taylor Swift?

Posted by: The NFL Marketing Gurus at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (lf83v)

330 after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels

The "I'm sure a Nintendo controller is all we need" trap?

Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (CaJIi)

331
I vote for nobody, Congress stops functioning, the government never gets funded, and the states reassert themselves in American governance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 03:30 PM (LvTSG)
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I'm on this team too, but I have better odds of having Taylor Swift knock on my front door and beg me to allow her to enthusiastically fellate me.

Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (oXNqT)

332 Quick, somebody ask Kirby who sunk the sub.

Posted by: wth at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (v0R5T)

333 Oh stop. Gaetz is the most unserious clown in the House. If that's your savior you're in real trouble.

There are some very good draft bills the Freedom Caucus was involved in drafting/are helping to draft. Gaetz was probably writing on crayon on cocktail napkins while that was being done. There is also an open amendment process where people will get up and down votes on realistic proposals. That how government works. You have the votes it passes. Gaetz is putting his taint on everything the FC is trying to do because it's pissing off the other members. Guess what that does to your amendments?

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (kLbP8)

334 322 Gaetz can be completely correct on matters of policy, and still a slapdick clownshoe retard on matters of realpolitik.

These things aren't mutually exclusive.
Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:31 PM (oXNqT)

And like with Paxton, I really don't care if he's on my side...and he is.

Paxton's a cheating whore...and I've still got his back (although I wonder why his political wife has not dumped his a$$)...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 03, 2023 03:33 PM (exHjb)

335 Hakeem Olajuwon or Hakeem Jeffries? Olajuwon would be better in the post.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 03, 2023 03:33 PM (RcHbG)

336
Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 5m
NEW: Fifty five Chinese sailors are feared dead after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels in the Yellow Sea' - Daily Mail
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM

I see someone left the screen door open...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 03, 2023 03:33 PM (n+4am)

337 Nood. WA stupid Dem tricks.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 03, 2023 03:33 PM (aQy7p)

338 Fibergrass subs!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 03, 2023 03:33 PM (iupH6)

339 So how do you trap a submarine? Cereally.
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Underwater mines. Known submarine passages.

Posted by: The NFL Marketing Gurus at October 03, 2023 03:33 PM (lf83v)

340 The backs of the border states are being broken as they deal with the majority of the illegals but they are everywhere. A good friend is the warehouse manager of the largest food bank in Spokane. They are now serving 5k+ a month. He estimated that less then half speak English. Another church brother is the principal of the middle school of the village south of me. His student population is roughly 350. He estimated that he had at least 70 kids who spoke little or no English. The administration has a very specific policy regarding immigration and the end goal is to break our society. I've said it before, the border will be the fuel that ignites a hot CW.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ne Obliviscaris at October 03, 2023 03:33 PM (BZ83/)

341 Fat Boy:
"Allowing just one state to lay the burden upon a certain few states run by Democrats is untenable," Pritzker wrote. "We are a nation that has welcomed immigrants and refugees since our founding, and we have done so in a bipartisan manner. It cannot be that just a few cities and states should now bear the cost of this effort alone."

Tough shit. Life gets a little hard outside of the declarations of being a sanctuary city/state and the nonsense yard signs. I wish that these Governors and Mayors had to trade places with their counterparts in Texas for even just 1 month and try to manage what they are dealing with.

This isn't Ellis Island you gelatinous glob of goo.

Posted by: Cheri at October 03, 2023 03:34 PM (oiNtH)

342 I'm on this team too, but I have better odds of having Taylor Swift knock on my front door and beg me to allow her to enthusiastically fellate me.
Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (oXNqT)

I wonder what kind of song she'd write about this.

Posted by: spindrift at October 03, 2023 03:34 PM (G2KPu)

343 The CR is basically business as usual until November 17. They're need to pass the spending bills by then and reconcile with the senate. That's what the Freedom Caucus wanted and that's what McCarthy and the rest of the caucus is trying to do.
Posted by: Marcus T
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No it is a surrender issue--the best time to have a shutdown is prior to the holidays--only fed worker types and Wall Street financials give a damn. Move it to November, you get the weepies unemployed fed workers for Christmas which did Gingrich in.

Instead, you send the completed assorted cmte funding bills to the Senate in September and let them spill their guts trying to alter them. And say smugly, we did our job for the American people, and it is time for fatass Mitch and Schumer the carnival geek to work up a sweat now.

Essentially, McCarthy folded on a winning hand.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:34 PM (4R3Gm)

344 Let's put it this way, if it was simply between McCarthy and Gaetz, which guy would you hope got his way?

We can't solve this riddle without a pool filled with jello. Let them settle it the lesbian way: jello wrestling to the death, or at least to the hurt feelings. All bets to be paid in adorable babycock shaped lollipops.

Posted by: Iran, Iraq, Hoping For Casualties at October 03, 2023 03:35 PM (ppBhU)

345 251 I guess it works, then.

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 5m
NEW: Fifty five Chinese sailors are feared dead after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels in the Yellow Sea' - Daily Mail

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:18 PM (krqg6)

I read the article and I don't buy the story yet, due to the sketchy info provided.

Posted by: GL at October 03, 2023 03:35 PM (5fDan)

346 they don't make rational sense; so I wonder. quite a bit actually.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (AcWfM)

Are you suggesting, with new nics coming round, that these people might not just have wandered into the AoSHQ to express their real opinions, and indeed are paid trolls?

Perish the thought. Such a thing, in a respectable establishment like this...

Posted by: BurtTC at October 03, 2023 03:35 PM (dGCAG)

347 In hindsight, Maybe we shouldn't have purloined that submarine screen hatch technology.

Posted by: CCP IP theft karma at October 03, 2023 03:35 PM (yINkh)

348 339 So how do you trap a submarine? Cereally.
__________

Underwater mines. Known submarine passages.
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That's not trapping that's ambushing. They said trapping. Did they drop the net on themselves?

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 03, 2023 03:36 PM (Wg6v7)

349 330 after nuclear submarine 'gets caught in a trap intended to snare British and US vessels

The "I'm sure a Nintendo controller is all we need" trap?
Posted by: t-bird at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM

It was a speaker playing "YMCA" on loop on the bottom of the ocean with a bunch of mines around it.

Posted by: Chinese Sub Trap at October 03, 2023 03:36 PM (JCZqz)

350 39 They aren't Texas' illegals, they're Mexico's.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2023 02:39 PM (KbCG3)
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Good point. Many of them, if not most, are simply passing through Mexico. So why isn't Mexico dealing with the problem? Should we follow their lead and send them to Canada?

Canada has huge tracts of land that have never been touched by human hands...h
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Get a map of Canada. Find Yukon. Find Whitehorse. Notice it is just a small black dot in an expanse of white - yes, snow and ice. Send them, these ex-tropical natives, to Yukon. they'll repatriate themselves in no time.

Posted by: Ciampino - Kittens are fun, fun, fun at October 03, 2023 03:36 PM (qfLjt)

351 There is also an open amendment process where people will get up and down votes on realistic proposals. That how government works. You have the votes it passes. Gaetz is putting his taint on everything the FC is trying to do because it's pissing off the other members. Guess what that does to your amendments?
Posted by: Marcus T a
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You don't get it. What you are seeing is position taking for election purposes, not serious legislation. When the Speaker wants something to pass, they simply whip up an ad hoc committee or use the threats of money and cmte positions to make members toe the line. McCarthy was never going to go to the mat because that has never been the way he was as leader. He is basically a front man for the GOPe donor community that acts like a Pez dispenser to keep the status quo going on.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:37 PM (4R3Gm)

352 I wonder what kind of song she'd write about this.

Your Foreskin Broke My Heart.

Posted by: Trailer-Park Swift at October 03, 2023 03:38 PM (ppBhU)

353 Oh stop. Gaetz is the most unserious clown in the House. If that's your savior you're in real trouble.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (kLbP

Narrator: we are in real trouble.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2023 03:38 PM (aD39U)

354 @322

>>Gaetz can be completely correct on matters of policy, and still a slapdick clownshoe retard on matters of realpolitik. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

I get it there are people who like their guys with their shirt sleeves rolled up and making useless gestures in committee hearings and not actually fighting for tangible things.

McCarthy and his cuck crew had an entire year to move forward individual spending bills in the house, he didn't, he waited, like all of the rest of the chuckle heads through, until the 11th hour and then try to cram down a must pass CR.

F**k that guy, he needs to be voted out as speaker and then voted out of congress.

Then he can have all of the free time he wants to dress up in Monica Lewinsky's Blue dress and take it up the ass by frank Luntz, while he's spread eagle on a replica of The Resolute Desk.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:39 PM (rc3Z7)

355 342 I'm on this team too, but I have better odds of having Taylor Swift knock on my front door and beg me to allow her to enthusiastically fellate me.
Posted by: ballistic at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (oXNqT)

I wonder what kind of song she'd write about this.
Posted by: spindrift at October 03, 2023 03:34 PM

I gave you my heart,
I gave you my throat,
All I asked in return,
Is that we ride in your boat!

And you threw me away...
We only lasted a day....

Posted by: Taylor Swift at October 03, 2023 03:39 PM (JCZqz)

356 314 Shit is completely busted and broken and Gaetz is not the reason for any of way shit is completely busted and broken.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 03, 2023 03:28 PM (rc3Z7)

Let's put it this way, if it was simply between McCarthy and Gaetz, which guy would you hope got his way?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Ambition must check ambition is what the original TJM said about it. if men were angels, then no government would be necessary.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:39 PM (4R3Gm)

357 #306 That sounds like a song or poem, Black Orchid!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 03, 2023 03:40 PM (krqg6)

358 "Essentially, McCarthy folded on a winning hand.
Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:34 PM (4R3Gm)"

Except now we are back to normal order where you have to pass all the individual bills and amendments. Which didn't get done because the Clown Caucus kept delaying the votes along with Democrats. So McCarthy really didn't have any good choices except to extend with a CR and try to pass the remaining bills and move them to the senate. Except we're not doing that because Gaetz is too busy juggling flaming bowling pins and squeaking his rubber nose.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:41 PM (kLbP8)

359 Narrator: we are in real trouble.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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Nah. This is all inside baseball way before voters even pay attention to shit. Simply put, McCarthy was always a do nothing type even as majority leader and he won because a majority of the House Republicans really do not want to do much of anything that might interrupt them making small fortunes in office or advancing their political career.

He is and was never a Gingrich revolutionary because he thinks in terms of power for himself, money for his donors, and serves as bagmen for the corporate class donors to stop any conservative legislation cutting government spending in its tracks.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:44 PM (4R3Gm)

360 I want to see fist fights on the House floor. Yeah, the shit needs to be stirred. Anything but the maggot-infested, putrescent sameness we've seen for the last 30 years.

Fuck collegiality.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 03:45 PM (BdMk6)

361 "Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:37 PM (4R3Gm)"

We disagree and I don't think McCarthy has even had enough time to fully establish the game. They're whipping the votes for some of this FC stuff and it's not getting traction. That's not McCarthy's fault, it's the entire caucus. For whatever reason some of this isn't selling and they are actually taking their position over party money because they realize at that point they won't be able to buy re-election. There needs to be a come to the altar moment for the entire party and McCarthy to his credit and my complete disbelief keeps trying to do that in conference. But idiots like Gaetz keep throwing grenades in the room and blaming everyone else.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:46 PM (kLbP8)

362 Except now we are back to normal order where you have to pass all the individual bills and amendments. Which didn't get done because the Clown Caucus kept delaying the votes along with Democrats. So McCarthy really didn't have any good choices except to extend with a CR and try to pass the remaining bills and move them to the senate. Except we're not doing that because Gaetz is too busy juggling flaming bowling pins and squeaking his rubber nose.
Posted by: Marcus T

Sure you do, the no justice no peace, if you must do a CR, you do it week by week and institute votes on each spending bill in turn. He is a shitty floor manager and his leadership team is full of wet noodles compared with Tom Delay and co. Tom made the trains run on time--McCarthy whines because he is caught between his promises and his lack of persuasive power.

You don't pull Congress critters to your side--you push them if you actually want something done and yes it can be done with even scanty majorities if the leadership is united and sound. That it isn't indicates the problem is McCarthy, not the handful or so willing to go on record as not playing bendover Rover with him.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 03:48 PM (4R3Gm)

363 If McCarthy had any intention of taking care of business and getting a budget passed he wouldn't have sent them all home for a six week recess right before the budget needed passing.

He deliberately did that to put everyone in a bind and pressure them with the shut down drama.

Him and the rest of the traitors in Congress.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 03, 2023 03:50 PM (ZGmUk)

364 If McCarthy had any intention of taking care of business and getting a budget passed he wouldn't have sent them all home for a six week recess right before the budget needed passing.

He deliberately did that to put everyone in a bind and pressure them with the shut down drama.

Him and the rest of the traitors in Congress.
Posted by: Just Lily at October 03, 2023 03:50 PM (ZGmUk)

Good point.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2023 03:52 PM (BdMk6)

365 Oh stop. Gaetz is the most unserious clown in the House. If that's your savior you're in real trouble.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (kLbP
*****
Gaetz is a drama queen.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 03, 2023 03:53 PM (NpAcC)

366 We disagree and I don't think McCarthy has even had enough time to fully establish the game. They're whipping the votes for some of this FC stuff and it's not getting traction. That's not McCarthy's fault, it's the entire caucus. For whatever reason some of this isn't selling and they are actually taking their position over party money because they realize at that point they won't be able to buy re-election. There needs to be a come to the altar moment for the entire party and McCarthy to his credit and my complete disbelief keeps trying to do that in conference. But idiots like Gaetz keep throwing grenades in the room and blaming everyone else.
Posted by: Marcus T

Look, when I was on Cap Hill, my sponsor congress critter was in leadership. They did not have these sorts of clusterf--ks.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 04:00 PM (4R3Gm)

367 Fuck collegiality.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

They ain't collegial behind the scenes--politicians are in the general vicinity of asses--they serve a necessary function in a representative republic but they live for making their lessers dance before them. Pretty awful actually. The few good guys either keep their noses to the grindstone in a few key committees or they leave for other offices.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 04:02 PM (4R3Gm)

368 We disagree and I don't think McCarthy has even had enough time to fully establish the game. They're whipping the votes for some of this FC stuff and it's not getting traction. That's not McCarthy's fault, it's the entire caucus. For whatever reason some of this isn't selling and they are actually taking their position over party money because they realize at that point they won't be able to buy re-election. There needs to be a come to the altar moment for the entire party and McCarthy to his credit and my complete disbelief keeps trying to do that in conference. But idiots like Gaetz keep throwing grenades in the room and blaming everyone else.
Posted by: Marcus T
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McCarthy has been majority or minority leader for nigh on a decade. That is more than enough time to actually build a coalition. But, he hasn't done jack shit in that office to unite in favor of a vision. Essentially, he has been promoted to his position of total incompetence.

As Ben Franklin might have said, a fish rots from the head first.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2023 04:05 PM (4R3Gm)

369 I've never seen a thread just die without a new one before. Weird.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 04:14 PM (0FoWg)

370 369 I've never seen a thread just die without a new one before. Weird.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2023 04:14 PM (0FoWg)

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Nood called at 337.

Come join us!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 03, 2023 04:26 PM (LvTSG)

371 Welcome back down to Earth Turkey now get use to it

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at October 03, 2023 04:44 PM (wGqjj)

372 If you are successful in your utility, then you will be invited to attend a citizenship ceremony,
which it's essential to attend within three months of receiving the invitation or youll have to use once more.

Posted by: Finlay at October 03, 2023 10:25 PM (gTVhp)

373 Rivers of Blood on the way. Its about time.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 08:55 AM (Wg6v7)

374 365 Oh stop. Gaetz is the most unserious clown in the House. If that's your savior you're in real trouble.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2023 03:32 PM (kLbP
*****
Gaetz is a drama queen.
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They will hang you with your cordiality. Just look around and smell the decomposition.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 08:57 AM (Wg6v7)

375 Hello there! This article could not be written any better!
Going through this article reminds me of my previous
roommate! He always kept talking about this.
I am going to forward this post to him. Pretty sure he
will have a very good read. Many thanks for
sharing!

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